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157: Bros and Arrows


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  said September's 24 [TS]

  welcome back everybody to be [TS]

  uncomfortable we are competing another [TS]

  edition of our comic book club [TS]

  I decided that were we had such a great [TS]

  time talking about comics with with [TS]

  Merlin man in fact not too long ago that [TS]

  we would come back and do it again there [TS]

  are a couple comics out there right now [TS]

  that I feel like everybody's talking [TS]

  about as a comics you must read if you [TS]

  want to read like what's going on today [TS]

  the hottest comics today and one of the [TS]

  saga which we talked about in episode [TS]

  154 with marlin and Dan Morin and Tony [TS]

  sindelar and we're back to talk about [TS]

  the the other one that keeps coming up [TS]

  first i heard about it was actually on a [TS]

  previous comp club when jason bright [TS]

  mentioned it and I well he was right [TS]

  it's great and we're going to talk about [TS]

  it tonight it's Hawkeye written by matt [TS]

  fraction i know you're saying it's the [TS]

  guy with the bow and arrow from the [TS]

  Avengers and I know it seems ridiculous [TS]

  that a comic about Hawkeye would be so [TS]

  beloved and rightfully so but it's true [TS]

  that is the amazing thing about this [TS]

  comic by Mac matt fraction and primarily [TS]

  drawn by i'm going to get the name right [TS]

  daveed haha he's spanish you see and [TS]

  there are filling artist because he [TS]

  can't apparently can't draw fast enough [TS]

  to fill the holes of every single issue [TS]

  but he's the primary artist so fantastic [TS]

  comic we're going to talk about tonight [TS]

  we're going to cover the first two [TS]

  trades which is essentially issues 1 [TS]

  through 11 of Hawkeye we if we do [TS]

  mention something in issue 12 will do it [TS]

  at the end and blow the spoiler horn but [TS]

  really I want this to be something that [TS]

  you can go on Amazon or comiXology and [TS]

  get and read and then listen to the [TS]

  podcast so it's readily available issues [TS]

  1 through 11 the first two trades of [TS]

  Hawkeye now joining me to talk about [TS]

  Hawkeye are some of the names that I [TS]

  have just mentioned Merlin man is back [TS]

  again hi Merlin 18 it's good to have you [TS]

  because boomerangs [TS]

  yeah because boomerangs bro bro here sit [TS]

  for brown / oh well well [TS]

  Robo previously bro bro ok Dan more'n [TS]

  this looks bad [TS]

  stop all this stop all this fuckin [TS]

  around until esa all right good morning [TS]

  is here Tony sindelar also back with us [TS]

  for another comic book club hi Tony [TS]

  hi Jason pieces my business hey super [TS]

  could be the dog that's fine and not in [TS]

  the not in the last episode but she's [TS]

  she's back with us again tonight [TS]

  it's lisa Schmeisser hi Lisa hello bro [TS]

  bro bro bro bro for Louie riously uh I [TS]

  don't even know where to begin here [TS]

  other than to say again who thought that [TS]

  Hawkeye would be a guy who would have a [TS]

  comic that everybody would love but the [TS]

  whole point it from the very first page [TS]

  of the very first issue of Hawkeye is it [TS]

  well I guess the second page is this is [TS]

  what he does when he's not being an [TS]

  Avenger and that is the thing that gives [TS]

  it i think so much independence [TS]

  lightness ability to have a very [TS]

  different tone than superhero comics [TS]

  because it's about this guy [TS]

  it's about clint barton he's got up you [TS]

  know he's got a bow and arrow and he can [TS]

  shoot and he knows the adventures but [TS]

  this is not what this comic is about [TS]

  this comic is about him and his life and [TS]

  his building that he lives in and his [TS]

  neighbors and his friends and his dog [TS]

  and his dog [TS]

  there's an entire issue done from the [TS]

  perspective of his dog i think that's [TS]

  the greatest thing I've her so when I [TS]

  was talking to people about this i was [TS]

  talking to people about this and they [TS]

  said well you know issue one is so [TS]

  fantastic and I said yes and and then I [TS]

  had somebody say well actually you know [TS]

  issue 3 is fantastic cherry and I said [TS]

  yes okay have you read issue 11 and they [TS]

  said no i haven't read it related issue [TS]

  11 is even better than issue 1 an issue [TS]

  3 these are there are so many amazing [TS]

  stories that have been told him in a [TS]

  comic that you know in the first 11 [TS]

  issues of this comic issue 11 is told [TS]

  entirely from the perspective of Lucky [TS]

  also arrow also pizza dog uh it's just [TS]

  you know i-i-i don't even know I could [TS]

  be i'm going to be effusive about this [TS]

  comic i think there are some i think [TS]

  some issues are better than others and I [TS]

  think it's got some story issues that [TS]

  it's headed to deal with and I heard [TS]

  from somebody who thought the most [TS]

  recent issues weren't as strong as the [TS]

  first few issues [TS]

  I number eleven uh but let's just get [TS]

  started at the beginning i guess i [TS]

  should ask you guys I i heard about it [TS]

  and what has you know what you really [TS]

  what drew this drew you to this what [TS]

  what do you like about it let's start [TS]

  with lisa i heard about it from jason [TS]

  reitman yeah you were there you and i [TS]

  were there when I get it we laughed and [TS]

  laughed at the idea of a Hawkeye comic [TS]

  but I trust his taste because yeah one [TS]

  of the nice things going to say about [TS]

  jason reitman as he has there are my [TS]

  well to backtrack i know some people who [TS]

  follow comics because they like specific [TS]

  artists and i know some people who [TS]

  follow comics because they like specific [TS]

  writers and i will have a writer bias [TS]

  but Jason is one of the most holistic [TS]

  comic fans that I know and not only can [TS]

  he look at something and see the [TS]

  interplay between writer and artist he's [TS]

  also able to place it within the context [TS]

  of the industry and within the context [TS]

  of the history of comics and someone [TS]

  jason says you have to see this because [TS]

  this is fantastic [TS]

  it would be like somebody walking out of [TS]

  Star Wars viewing in 1978 and saying oh [TS]

  this is gonna be big so yeah so when [TS]

  Jason's go read this I probably went [TS]

  onto amazon and bought it and I was [TS]

  hooked actually an issue 2 and it's the [TS]

  I'll tell you what hook me and it's in [TS]

  the trade are the second and third page [TS]

  where you start off in the upper [TS]

  left-hand corner with the Daily Bugle [TS]

  panel with the headline everything oh [TS]

  god somebody do something it's my [TS]

  favorite comic-book camel every effort [TS]

  but what really got me is when you are [TS]

  again on the next page when you see [TS]

  Clint go to shoot an arrow and as kate [TS]

  says well that's cool you watch him [TS]

  break down the process of shooting the [TS]

  arrow and having it land and you watch [TS]

  her mouth make all of the different [TS]

  sounds as you go through the process and [TS]

  you see a time dilation and it's just [TS]

  such a smart visual storytelling [TS]

  mechanism and it says so much about the [TS]

  two of them in in just a page and a half [TS]

  and I thought oh my god this this is not [TS]

  one you can read once you're going to [TS]

  have to keep reading it over and over [TS]

  again to pick up all of the things [TS]

  because it's just so well thought out [TS]

  just from the composition of the panels [TS]

  on out that time slows down as you watch [TS]

  him get ready to shoot his [TS]

  arrow and there and you see her 14 [TS]

  panels have her slowly saying a couple [TS]

  of madly truly amazing also as someone [TS]

  who can't draw i was impressed how much [TS]

  like you can see the lip movements and [TS]

  everything all the sounds like I was [TS]

  like that that person gets more command [TS]

  know and I gotta love the restricted [TS]

  palette that they use for the whole [TS]

  comic oh yeah the color choices are [TS]

  fantastic it's just there's no detail on [TS]

  this that something clearly i get the [TS]

  fun they beat every issue to the ground [TS]

  and I'm sure drives them crazy and God [TS]

  bless them for doing it because the [TS]

  final product is just superb [TS]

  so I want to come back to the coloring [TS]

  matt hollingsworth colorist is credited [TS]

  on the coverage he is an integral part [TS]

  of this comic and does a spectacular job [TS]

  but but before we get there let me move [TS]

  on and ask Merlin so how did you hear [TS]

  about this and and what drew you to it [TS]

  um i don't remember exactly but it was [TS]

  in the midst of my recent plunge into [TS]

  comics kind of taking off like a very [TS]

  first was getting way into comics you [TS]

  know for the first time really since I [TS]

  was a kid and I was taking advice from [TS]

  everybody all around me and kept hearing [TS]

  this din of like how can i think i was [TS]

  always ahead post about this one comfort [TS]

  grip but I had this long call with rob [TS]

  corddry who I had no idea is a giant [TS]

  comic nerd and he gave me this huge list [TS]

  of like people I should check out [TS]

  writers I should check out and one of [TS]

  them was matt fraction and i think it [TS]

  was around that time was probably around [TS]

  i want to say like issue 3 and so I [TS]

  jumped in and you know I first of all [TS]

  all of the covers all of David oz davido [TS]

  house covers I i think are just terrific [TS]

  and they're not the same look as the you [TS]

  know is as art inside but they're [TS]

  immediately grabbed you and like you say [TS]

  that the coloring is great but it's [TS]

  really weird like I i liked it but but I [TS]

  felt really challenged by it because [TS]

  I've come out this through reading a lot [TS]

  of x-men stuff like that and let me [TS]

  explain this 14 times and in this case I [TS]

  feel like I feel like such a dope it's [TS]

  like Godfather to I feel like I could [TS]

  read that first issue I mean like so [TS]

  many of them like gosh i'm sure we'll [TS]

  get into some some of the amazing [TS]

  storytelling [TS]

  out of sequence and stuff like that but [TS]

  you it takes several readings to really [TS]

  appreciate how good that first issue is [TS]

  where they do the equivalent jump jump [TS]

  cuts of you know you see you see Clint [TS]

  and then you see something's gonna [TS]

  happen it's the same face with the [TS]

  different background and you know that [TS]

  you know it's being told out of sequence [TS]

  but I mean you know I guess I'm I maybe [TS]

  will eventually become famous for crying [TS]

  whenever you mix but when I got to that [TS]

  last page that was it i mean i was i was [TS]

  hooked and it's i don't know i don't [TS]

  want to be too effusive but i think it's [TS]

  a very good comic and and yes especially [TS]

  around 6i I love every issue but around [TS]

  issue 6 it kind of goes to a different [TS]

  level as far as I'm concerned but that [TS]

  first issue is so he mean I mean most of [TS]

  what I know about hoc bai Hawkeyes what [TS]

  everybody else is like one of those [TS]

  annoying unpowered guys with us he says [TS]

  a Paleolithic you know weapon but now [TS]

  that was it for me and I've I now it's [TS]

  it's my favorite comic now [TS]

  well Tony what about you I think I was a [TS]

  referred to hawkeye by my buddy Jeremy [TS]

  Goldstein who is basically my comics [TS]

  filter Jeremy reads pretty much [TS]

  everything and he you know tells me two [TS]

  or three things a year that like I have [TS]

  to go read and i usually i'm waiting for [TS]

  the trades of those to come out and so i [TS]

  think is 24 this year we're sagadahoc I [TS]

  that worked out pretty good [TS]

  he's got a good batting average uh-huh [TS]

  and then you know I think I then go and [TS]

  make Dan read that the really good stuff [TS]

  right arm so in it you know I think it's [TS]

  a great comic I I really got into it [TS]

  first from the the first issue I i love [TS]

  how dense it is in rereading it and kind [TS]

  of forgotten that it's just 11 issues [TS]

  because there's there's so many little [TS]

  so rise in there [TS]

  yeah and you know i usually comics like [TS]

  will take a long time to tell the story [TS]

  they have something that plays out issue [TS]

  after issue and you know they do the [TS]

  thing where there's kind of a [TS]

  cliffhanger to get you to buy the next [TS]

  issue and there's so many little stories [TS]

  in hock I completely not conceptualized [TS]

  in my head as 11 comic books right it's [TS]

  it's because there's so many stories in [TS]

  there [TS]

  yeah and and it starts with standalone [TS]

  stories which is also a razor and these [TS]

  days and especially in in mainstream [TS]

  comics like Marvel Comics Dan did and [TS]

  you Tony told you to write down [TS]

  well I mean tony was one source i [TS]

  usually have like multiple sources so I [TS]

  i would say mainly learned about it from [TS]

  this whole place called the internet [TS]

  know which you may have been [TS]

  netop knows one of those things where [TS]

  it's a critical mass thing just imagine [TS]

  what should I read it yet what comic [TS]

  book should I read on the internet is [TS]

  like Hawkeye but I you know and i think [TS]

  it's one of those things where it's a [TS]

  critical mass and it builds and like [TS]

  someone tells you we talked and then [TS]

  you're like reading something else [TS]

  somewhere that for me that's always the [TS]

  real test is if I hear about it from one [TS]

  source and I read about from like [TS]

  someone who is in no way connected to [TS]

  the first source and also says like hey [TS]

  this is really good and like yeah I [TS]

  trust both of those people's opinions on [TS]

  things so this is clearly the [TS]

  intersection of what is really good and [TS]

  tony is my life I think of him more as [TS]

  my Jeremy filter because I jeremy has a [TS]

  lot of comic books it's like drugs in [TS]

  reverse and only getting the computer [TS]

  stuff you know it hasn't been stepped on [TS]

  it but yeah you're gonna take ya if we [TS]

  about the you know he tells me to watch [TS]

  supernatural over and over again so yeah [TS]

  it's true one day he'll listen [TS]

  never yeah so I and and and like Tony I [TS]

  you know I really enjoyed so much the [TS]

  the first issue you know I i was [TS]

  probably hooked from ok this looks bad [TS]

  and yeah like that you know that's all I [TS]

  really needed [TS]

  it's been a long time since i've read a [TS]

  comic [TS]

  I and my wife doesn't read comics and [TS]

  she never looked kind of got into it [TS]

  never learned it it i cannot remember [TS]

  the last time i had a comic that I [TS]

  enjoyed so much that i said i'm going to [TS]

  read some of this to you out loud [TS]

  because it's really funny again i can't [TS]

  find a park I and it's happened more [TS]

  than once where I'm like oh my god you [TS]

  should you should listen to this this is [TS]

  hilarious and she's very kind and nods [TS]

  and last appreciatively and makes you [TS]

  know it'sit's that's nice dear but I had [TS]

  a similar i had a similar experience [TS]

  with it look it's it's getting iron man [TS]

  to fix his TVs yes it would eat together [TS]

  spider-man is making fun of wolverine [TS]

  for being old [TS]

  that's very like two panels and yet the [TS]

  spoilers this blows no no cops no no [TS]

  what could the that's right [TS]

  laptops for greatest show ever [TS]

  don't spoil me on the end of dog cops I [TS]

  really wish they do a spin-off comic [TS]

  we're just one issue and it's it's a dog [TS]

  cops number one annual so we can [TS]

  understand the greatness [TS]

  did we ever really understand the [TS]

  greatness that is a dog tops not seeing [TS]

  without seeing this I never seen because [TS]

  click it's a DVR and he's 20 * trying to [TS]

  wire it like it's like defusing a bomb [TS]

  acceptance letter bomb they're hooking [TS]

  up that you know vcr to TV to DVD player [TS]

  to DVR and getting it all connected [TS]

  if only if only dr. drew were there [TS]

  because he knew how to do for maybe we [TS]

  knew from the mom from me [TS]

  yeah i just love that hot guys are guys [TS]

  like the only person in the Marvel [TS]

  Universe you can refer to Natasha [TS]

  Romanoff is work wife that just yeah [TS]

  it's pretty great [TS]

  yeah yeah so in in something that i [TS]

  mentioned about a standalone quality [TS]

  this issue one which I i started reading [TS]

  issue 10 my god this is so great that [TS]

  Jason pregnant was right i wish you [TS]

  could be here to bask in the glory of [TS]

  the of us thank you for recommending [TS]

  this it's self-contained it is told out [TS]

  of sequence as Merlin said I'm and in [TS]

  fact one of the things that really blew [TS]

  me away when we talk about the coloring [TS]

  is that's your cue for the scene changes [TS]

  is that an issue 1 the univ coloring is [TS]

  distinct but the two different [TS]

  timeframes actually have different [TS]

  coloring and you can tell that you're in [TS]

  a different place and you know colorists [TS]

  are underappreciated i think in general [TS]

  and comics but in hock I feel like the [TS]

  color the color is a huge part of what [TS]

  it is these it's a limited palette [TS]

  there's a lot of purple which is hot [TS]

  guys color and which you wouldn't think [TS]

  it works that would mean that many [TS]

  scenarios that he's got that tennis [TS]

  thing he always wears it's like he's got [TS]

  the silliest costumes every he's got a [TS]

  silly mask that sometimes can be used to [TS]

  cover is Johnson yeah but but he's got [TS]

  such a silly outfit in and he's he's [TS]

  just not [TS]

  I you know I bet he's not one of those [TS]

  guys were most people would say that's [TS]

  my favorite Marvel superhero no no and [TS]

  that's what makes this kind of kind of [TS]

  brilliant how awesome is it though that [TS]

  like he's a marksman with anything [TS]

  yes yeah I can throw a shoe at you about [TS]

  a lamp lantern corner lamp exactly so in [TS]

  number one we meet the tracksuit mafia [TS]

  who are are running of villains they're [TS]

  the ones call everybody bro [TS]

  well they have a vaguely Eastern [TS]

  European accent they were tracksuits [TS]

  they own Hawkeyes building and are [TS]

  trying to get everybody out [TS]

  so of course Hawkeye in it an issue 1 [TS]

  basically he they tried they tried to [TS]

  kill him to kick the kick there's one of [TS]

  their like their dog who saves Clint [TS]

  from being shot and they kicked the dog [TS]

  into the street and Clint saves the dog [TS]

  and takes him to the vet fix this dog [TS]

  yeah but it's also it's also one of the [TS]

  reasons i find it so touching and so [TS]

  well done is it my daughter loves this [TS]

  parody like when you see I think it's on [TS]

  the first or second page in the first [TS]

  note i guess for like page six it looks [TS]

  like you see Clint so basically it [TS]

  starts to get that wonderful panel in [TS]

  the catchphrase this looks bad he's [TS]

  falling out of a window he doesn't have [TS]

  superpowers right and he's in the [TS]

  hospital for six weeks [TS]

  yeah and we only mention it because the [TS]

  doctors reading like everything that's [TS]

  wrong with him the whole long list of [TS]

  all his broken parts you know I mean [TS]

  it's so shattered her pelvis three [TS]

  broken ribs sprain your neck and you [TS]

  know i love that it's his injuries are [TS]

  so well echoed by air Alex by the way up [TS]

  by the pizza talk it's so touching you [TS]

  know there is we start sounding like he [TS]

  he starts out a rack he's already broken [TS]

  at the being able to get hit by a car in [TS]

  a way that I was adjacent you're coming [TS]

  with the the color palette that reminded [TS]

  me of the fact that in some ways Hawkeye [TS]

  feels very much like it like that noir [TS]

  and I feel like it accomplishes that to [TS]

  a certain extent from the use of a [TS]

  limited color palette which is obviously [TS]

  you know a big deal and your movies too [TS]

  and it's got that very you know plays [TS]

  with that very moved quite monotone but [TS]

  like it has a very monochromatic sort of [TS]

  bed to it yet and i think that's that's [TS]

  really interesting it does work really [TS]

  really well he and willing and barton [TS]

  Clint Barton is not i mean he he is sort [TS]

  of the that nor protagonist right where [TS]

  he is right he gets beaten you get the [TS]

  crappy yeah he's messed up you get the [TS]

  crap beaten out of them [TS]

  he kinda you know he kinda means well [TS]

  but he doesn't really make intelligent [TS]

  decisions sometimes gets himself into a [TS]

  lot of trouble he doesn't have a [TS]

  genius-level IQ know in this and the [TS]

  attraction mafia I mean these are guys [TS]

  you don't mess with because there are [TS]

  lots of them [TS]

  and yet three as pocketbook and he [TS]

  doesn't yeah he just doesn't care [TS]

  and again he gets I mean that the real [TS]

  challenge there is that he brings all [TS]

  the people in this building where he's [TS]

  basically trying to save them because [TS]

  they're all being evicted because these [TS]

  guys want to do something selfless [TS]

  building or whatever they want to do it [TS]

  and so he's he's helping them but it [TS]

  doesn't necessarily make matters better [TS]

  for the people in the building also [TS]

  amazing is that it in the very beginning [TS]

  of the first issue there's a party up on [TS]

  the rooftop where they're where they're [TS]

  grilling and we see all these characters [TS]

  who then we learn more about as the [TS]

  issues progress where you know all these [TS]

  characters that you you meet later and [TS]

  then you realize they're all present on [TS]

  the building in the panels in the first [TS]

  issue you just have including including [TS]

  Mitzi Mitzi is right there on the old [TS]

  lady's lap yeah the reason I'm yeah [TS]

  oh the old lady we got it we got to talk [TS]

  about her when we get to pieces my [TS]

  business because there's a lot there but [TS]

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  ok so let's talk about hot guys some [TS]

  more Marlon will cleanse I mean you see [TS]

  is what you know one of the I listened [TS]

  to an interview today with the two of [TS]

  them fraction haha and so many great [TS]

  quotes from that and one of things that [TS]

  says was you know he's never had anybody [TS]

  point out how often one of his [TS]

  characters gets beat up again i wrote [TS]

  the x-men you know he's always got the [TS]

  he's covered with bandages he's always [TS]

  beat up but it's in it's a nice echo of [TS]

  his relationships with people like he's [TS]

  always putting himself like in the [TS]

  self-destructive situations and he's [TS]

  part of the theme that continues to [TS]

  emerge is how much she's like has [TS]

  horrible relationships that is [TS]

  constantly screwing up [TS]

  oh yeah you know and it's just kind of [TS]

  this weird like doofus just kind of [TS]

  wandering through life and yet people [TS]

  really like him has evidence by issues [TS]

  you know number 9 through 11 mm so I [TS]

  issue 2 continues the standalone story [TS]

  line where we once it's terrible god [TS]

  somebody to someone's home somebody do [TS]

  something what we always start and we [TS]

  start out with ok this looks bad again [TS]

  in this case it diving into a into a [TS]

  swimming pool and there's gunfire and [TS]

  then we rewind and and we meet and and [TS]

  this confused me a little bit not [TS]

  knowing any sort of backstory here we [TS]

  meet Kate bishop who is the other hot [TS]

  guy she's like she's like replacement [TS]

  Hawkeye except he isn't it is Hawkeye I [TS]

  know he was not Hawkeye and dressed up [TS]

  like a ninja for a while and was dead [TS]

  for a while and all that but be that as [TS]

  it may in the comics or like whatever [TS]

  you know it was an injury-free doesn't [TS]

  ring a while don't worry about it but [TS]

  they're two hot guys so there's like him [TS]

  and and she's not quite his apprentice [TS]

  i'm at one point she says I you know I I [TS]

  don't hang around with him he hangs [TS]

  around with me which is a really great [TS]

  line but we yeah well but we meet never [TS]

  when she's extensor and with the fist [TS]

  like he's much of his face t he called [TS]

  her his board and then so I don't think [TS]

  I know that we're going now she calls a [TS]

  boss but I mean that they have this [TS]

  interesting relationship where they're [TS]

  both Hawkeyes and they're both they both [TS]

  can can channel all right it's like Lady [TS]

  hot guy [TS]

  no she's not that young hot guy late kid [TS]

  Hawkeye ok Hawkeye after you Hawkeye so [TS]

  that's why the the inclusion of the [TS]

  young avengers issue at the end of the [TS]

  first train is just so awful it's it's [TS]

  it's yeah it's like eating a snickers [TS]

  after a really good meal where you like [TS]

  okay if I had nothing else to eat all [TS]

  day the snickers would be fine because [TS]

  it would keep me alive and it doesn't [TS]

  taste terrible but I've just had a [TS]

  really great meal so why are you giving [TS]

  me a fun size snickers but it but it's [TS]

  actually written by Matt Fraction right [TS]

  it's written by matt fraction but then [TS]

  they ran it through like the idiot [TS]

  filter or something well it's weird [TS]

  because you see it you see parts of his [TS]

  writing poke through [TS]

  yeah and then and then it's it's it is [TS]

  extra driving because I agree the [TS]

  artists [TS]

  oh it's so typically comic booky to me [TS]

  like it's the kind of stuff i grew up [TS]

  reading in the nineties so we're talking [TS]

  about the art and this is one of the [TS]

  interesting things about this is unlike [TS]

  something like saga where Fiona staples [TS]

  has done all the art Hawkeye has haha as [TS]

  as the primary artist but we've got [TS]

  several other issues with other [TS]

  other artists there's some who does the [TS]

  two-part tape that's a javier pollito [TS]

  right and then there's the there's the [TS]

  the hurricane issue that's got a [TS]

  different artists and their strength via [TS]

  in number 10 and number 12 to which [TS]

  we're not talking about but so it's so [TS]

  complete also to the annual which we're [TS]

  not talking about but yeah I have [TS]

  service so we've got these different we [TS]

  got the different artists and what's [TS]

  interesting about it is it's still hot i [TS]

  and III found that kind of fascinating [TS]

  it's like there is a there was a model [TS]

  for what this comic is and so even when [TS]

  it's a different artist that they're [TS]

  trying to make it be of a kind so the [TS]

  coloring August the colors just the same [TS]

  the the panel layouts [TS]

  yeah the these grids of lots of little [TS]

  panels that happen in Hokkaido those [TS]

  continue and I i like that sometimes [TS]

  when artists change its really jarring [TS]

  like not you know like I I'm not even [TS]

  the same comic anymore and this I could [TS]

  tell obviously the faces are different i [TS]

  can tell the art was by a different [TS]

  person but it still felt like Hawkeye [TS]

  that that they wanted it to have that [TS]

  same pacing and the same coloring and [TS]

  you know and obviously the writing and [TS]

  the tone of that is exactly the same the [TS]

  hurricane sandy superstorm sandy one is [TS]

  a perfect and there's a wonderful [TS]

  composition where I'm Kate swimming [TS]

  underwater through the parking garage [TS]

  and yeah and then and then in New Jersey [TS]

  yeah and the way the shot is composed [TS]

  when she climbs out of the up the stairs [TS]

  and out of the water is just phenomenal [TS]

  and it's perfectly minimalist and you [TS]

  can tell the different artists but it's [TS]

  it captures the ethos of the entire [TS]

  series which is that you would be doing [TS]

  something super heroic but chances are [TS]

  high that you're uncomfortable and angry [TS]

  while you're doing it and it's in really [TS]

  stupid circumstances and you know fifty [TS]

  percent of the time it's not gonna work [TS]

  out [TS]

  it's just yeah you know that one was [TS]

  jarring for me because I was so used to [TS]

  well first of all I think you have to [TS]

  give credit for the fact that clearly i [TS]

  mean again in this podcast heard him [TS]

  talking about this i mean there's floor [TS]

  plans for everything everything is you [TS]

  know the tone [TS]

  is very much the same the building [TS]

  always looks I mean you can still has [TS]

  all the same layout the building always [TS]

  looks the same [TS]

  they're not it doesn't like the bat cave [TS]

  where could look really different with [TS]

  two different artists but i like the way [TS]

  in that issue they also you know this is [TS]

  a little bit reductive but you got New [TS]

  York and you've got new jersey and [TS]

  that's kind of the ten artists in some [TS]

  ways it's it's a really nice break i am [TS]

  I i actually some of the panels work [TS]

  it's all dressed up you know and she's [TS]

  pointing to have him get out of the [TS]

  that's such a classic panel is she [TS]

  making that angry kind of Charlie Brown [TS]

  face and force them to get out [TS]

  yes yeah that one stuck with me too it's [TS]

  for you can kind of picture that almost [TS]

  kinetically like in action right so good [TS]

  it's weird i didn't i'm i'm a total [TS]

  idiot didn't even realize that they were [TS]

  like I i registered the different art [TS]

  styles but I was just so wrapped up in [TS]

  the story that it didn't even like the [TS]

  practicality of like Oh clearly a [TS]

  different person dropping this did not [TS]

  happen permeate my brain yet to artists [TS]

  and there's the care in how the artist [TS]

  deployed that in the super firm stance [TS]

  sandy issue which is very much written [TS]

  topically and inserted in the run [TS]

  because it happened and they wanted to [TS]

  write a story about it and then sort of [TS]

  the continuing story then continues the [TS]

  next issue and and you get this done yet [TS]

  another self-contained story in a single [TS]

  issue which is great but it's the two [TS]

  artists for the two different locales [TS]

  and similarly we've seen in issue 10 [TS]

  which is essentially it's it's Kate but [TS]

  it's it's really told from the [TS]

  perspective of the assassin there's a [TS]

  different artist for that in the issue [TS]

  where there are the the the the covers [TS]

  the the comic book covers various of the [TS]

  comics great [TS]

  yeah that's right they have they have a [TS]

  different artist draw those covers any [TS]

  whoo-hoo-hoo and now what they're going [TS]

  to be doing in in what will be the third [TS]

  trade eventually is there's a story line [TS]

  that's going to alternate between Clint [TS]

  and kate and Rajas going to do Clint [TS]

  story and he was going to do I believe [TS]

  Kate story so they're they're trying to [TS]

  have it be that the artists are [TS]

  essentially standards for the for the [TS]

  viewpoint character which is cool [TS]

  that's a little art so as a way to deal [TS]

  with the fact that that wa ha just he'd [TS]

  do a full comic issue 1 month just [TS]

  he can't do it so so they're they're [TS]

  finding some other ways to do that [TS]

  within the storytelling bounds which is [TS]

  is a is very cool [TS]

  Casca one logistical question that you [TS]

  so much this is told out of sequence and [TS]

  even in the trade in the second trade-in [TS]

  little hits you probably noticed the [TS]

  there about you know it goes seven i [TS]

  literally just didn't notice that don't [TS]

  write like seconds ago when I was like [TS]

  waking up i think that's what says they [TS]

  wanted to pop in and they jumped in the [TS]

  continuity to do the sandy thing i think [TS]

  what-whatever success story yeah yeah [TS]

  because that's what that's what happens [TS]

  is that six and eight really kind of [TS]

  flow together but they inserted the [TS]

  superstorm sandy issue [TS]

  I'm really stupid but when so an issue 1 [TS]

  Clint has that giant duffel bag of money [TS]

  to buy the building for yeah that tracks [TS]

  the Dracula's is that the money that he [TS]

  gets an issue to from robbing the [TS]

  robbers it suggested that some point [TS]

  that he doesn't like it a lot of money [TS]

  from his brother yeah it might be frying [TS]

  it might be from his brother he also [TS]

  mentions that he has no living expenses [TS]

  and there's the throw throw a line where [TS]

  he says he doesn't eat and I'm not she's [TS]

  at the Avengers or on the roof yeah just [TS]

  drinks coffee from the pot yes she does [TS]

  yeah so so basically this is a guy in [TS]

  peace slightly crappy crappy pizza that [TS]

  he buys on the streets of New York and [TS]

  feeds the dogs occasionally if he [TS]

  doesn't like them such as such a [TS]

  well-rounded character yeah you're right [TS]

  well it that's all that is the constant [TS]

  question Hawkeye is there are there's a [TS]

  lot of mix-ups time sequences Merlin i [TS]

  know i saw your I saw your note earlier [TS]

  today of your of your outline document [TS]

  for six nights in the life of Hawkeye [TS]

  which it's six nights right before [TS]

  christmas in the life of Hawkeye this is [TS]

  issue 6 but they are not in any way [TS]

  consecutive yeah right one always I end [TS]

  up flipping back and forth I was [TS]

  rereading it tonight and again trying to [TS]

  like okay let me sort of like figure out [TS]

  race how this exact they're dated I've [TS]

  read it maybe six times and finally [TS]

  reception he jumped into on the outliner [TS]

  because i was like i'm gonna figure this [TS]

  thing out and actually beautifully it [TS]

  it's also send it to you it's very it's [TS]

  a lot richer this way you realize it [TS]

  tells this little story about him [TS]

  deciding whether he's gonna you know [TS]

  stereo and i have to say that I mean I [TS]

  love them all [TS]

  I really do love them all but you know [TS]

  I'll [TS]

  take the tape thing a lot the tape thing [TS]

  really the two-parter on the the take of [TS]

  him appearing to kill the guy i thought [TS]

  that was really great especially as a [TS]

  gate that the case that was fantastic [TS]

  but to me six is where it really lit up [TS]

  I mean that the opening scene where Tony [TS]

  Stark you know can even in his darkest [TS]

  by Manu audio-visual equipment yeah [TS]

  because cutting the water there [TS]

  diffusing their defusing a bomb except [TS]

  it's actually just wiring this thing up [TS]

  and and Tony Stark's like I'll just buy [TS]

  you look forget it i'll just buy new [TS]

  stuff and click click just wants his [TS]

  laser discs but still watches laser [TS]

  discs yes she finds her ASAP later yeah [TS]

  well in the out-of-sequence stuff where [TS]

  he's trying to keep the you know the [TS]

  tracks of mafia from you know killing [TS]

  people with everybody in the building [TS]

  right and everyone in the building and [TS]

  then the weaved in with the subplot [TS]

  where Simone and her kids they can't [TS]

  watch the Christmas special because he [TS]

  accidentally shot an arrow into the [TS]

  satellite dish right which window switch [TS]

  we kind of learned in reverse and later [TS]

  we find out why the arrow ends up there [TS]

  is because he's firing at the tracksuit [TS]

  mafia but he gets punched as he's firing [TS]

  that arrow and it goes in their [TS]

  satellite dish instead but that's clever [TS]

  and it works better than you know in [TS]

  some ways there than in linear order it [TS]

  gets to what she said from the beginning [TS]

  that Jason which is that these really do [TS]

  stand alone on their own if you can you [TS]

  know it's like reading Shakespeare you [TS]

  can't read too fast or too slow [TS]

  like if you go through this at the right [TS]

  speed and just look over the parts you [TS]

  don't understand right away you'll get [TS]

  through each one of these and it's still [TS]

  a complete the light but in retrospect I [TS]

  mean what you mean [TS]

  let's jump to for her but you look at [TS]

  that scene of everybody on the roof an [TS]

  issue one where grills is out there yeah [TS]

  and every i add swear to God I read [TS]

  these things over and over I didn't [TS]

  catch this for so many you're so much [TS]

  like it's not parody was sort of looking [TS]

  for but echoes so you see all this [TS]

  characters shown in foreshadowing sure [TS]

  and didn't jump to 11 and when pizza dog [TS]

  is detecting who everybody is and it's [TS]

  all people that were on the roof in [TS]

  issue 1 [TS]

  yes absolutely you know we get a little [TS]

  taste of them like talking talking to [TS]

  the girl who's the bike messenger you [TS]

  know with it with the pink hair and my [TS]

  absolute favorite is again in that in [TS]

  yeah i think it's six where Clint [TS]

  finally decides it's past midnight the [TS]

  next day and he goes outside with a bow [TS]

  and arrow and stands in front of the [TS]

  building right now he's going to affect [TS]

  the building from the bad guys it's such [TS]

  a beautiful image that I would love to [TS]

  have a pose [TS]

  and then flip to 11 and it's the same [TS]

  thing but it's pizza dog standing in [TS]

  exactly the same place in front of [TS]

  exactly the same building but with no [TS]

  color because it's colored one and he's [TS]

  smelling everything and hearing [TS]

  everything instead is that takes that [TS]

  that's a lot of work and it's not [TS]

  they're not they're not like stepping on [TS]

  the accelerator going to look how clever [TS]

  we are but they have all these little [TS]

  threads to get picked up its careful [TS]

  here we go take a drink like the wire [TS]

  where you go I never realized that would [TS]

  become you know I'm so glad you [TS]

  mentioned that because one of the things [TS]

  I i was thinking as I went back and [TS]

  reread this is I thought that [TS]

  stylistically this reminds me a lot of [TS]

  mad men with the lushness and attention [TS]

  to detail and the way it embraces [TS]

  mid-century modern aesthetic especially [TS]

  with the lines in whichever one is drawn [TS]

  and then I thought but the plotting and [TS]

  the rich background or more like the [TS]

  wire so it's kind of mad men times the [TS]

  wire / Marvel equals this comic don't [TS]

  forget those the new our stuff here so [TS]

  you have to run like the big sleep in it [TS]

  ok yeah ok yeah that was throwing a [TS]

  little bit i just napping with your bad [TS]

  is your what is is that the wire you're [TS]

  absolutely right though because it's [TS]

  just it's very textured and I get the [TS]

  feeling that fraction probably has like [TS]

  an entire wall of his office just [TS]

  devoted to putting up posters and [TS]

  throwing strings between things [TS]

  newspaper scraps and yarn either [TS]

  tracking a serial killer or mapping out [TS]

  hot guy it's unclear with well you know [TS]

  if he could do like three-dimensional [TS]

  holographic could do like [TS]

  three-dimensional holographic modeling I [TS]

  get the feeling he'd probably do that [TS]

  too but it's aight i will eat my hat if [TS]

  I find out that he hasn't already [TS]

  thought this thing through all the way [TS]

  to issue 24 and beyond yes it's just [TS]

  there's it it's insanely layered what [TS]

  about hot guys redheaded lady friend we [TS]

  meet her [TS]

  we meet her an issue 3 and then she [TS]

  returns to make more trouble [TS]

  she is the wife of one of the bros of [TS]

  the track tracks in mafia is ok can get [TS]

  new wife [TS]

  yeah so interest interesting we get the [TS]

  femme fatale all dan for your your your [TS]

  nor she's gotta dodge challenger who is [TS]

  car he says hey I always wanted a car [TS]

  like that and then of course they end up [TS]

  ramming it in in Kate's little uh little [TS]

  folks will be other buttery volkswagen [TS]

  well I love it with little details thing [TS]

  that i love is that in in the that [TS]

  before that her beetle is like a class [TS]

  take vintage beetle and after that it's [TS]

  one of the brand new ones like is subtle [TS]

  but they like like one of the later [TS]

  issues when they show it's the and I [TS]

  mean like the last year's model would [TS]

  like the sort of roadster looking thing [TS]

  which I just thought was I didn't catch [TS]

  that the first time around I just like [TS]

  that and they have I mean there's no [TS]

  modern cars there right he's got the [TS]

  dodge the Challenger Kate has the [TS]

  old-timey beetle and then the ridiculous [TS]

  tracksuit mafia in there minis Jason yes [TS]

  you're unfamiliar number took his yeah [TS]

  because you're doing the things look at [TS]

  the winter dress to there's a lot of [TS]

  vintage and going on because when you [TS]

  see the music of Natasha Bobby and [TS]

  Jessica Hahn [TS]

  oh yeah i mean that's that's completely [TS]

  that's that's clearly meant to evoke [TS]

  austin powers / james bond / ya go [TS]

  dancing / laugh-in yeah you kind of [TS]

  picture Jessica drew as like Megan [TS]

  Draper a little bit your mind is [TS]

  strawberry strawberry Jessica / a it's [TS]

  amazing yeah generally not drawn like [TS]

  how i view these characters in the [TS]

  Marvel Universe there [TS]

  yeah there's something completely [TS]

  different here well it's really smart [TS]

  but what they do with black widow too [TS]

  because they've completely avoided [TS]

  making her look like scarlett johansson [TS]

  and reshape perform well in units and [TS]

  like they're there they're beautiful [TS]

  they look really beautiful but they're [TS]

  not freakish I mean I'm a huge spider [TS]

  woman fan i really like Spider Woman but [TS]

  sometimes I'm not to go into a whole [TS]

  thing but I guess she must be kind of a [TS]

  buxom lady but the way they draw her is [TS]

  sometimes but you know Emma Frost you [TS]

  can expect that but but with you know [TS]

  with Jessica it gets a little [TS]

  over-the-top and the reason i mention [TS]

  Spider Woman is you know Matt's wife [TS]

  Kelly Kelly sue deconnick does the [TS]

  wonderful Captain Marvel and it's so [TS]

  funny to my favorite relationships in [TS]

  the Marvel Universe are well I mean you [TS]

  know Carol and and using spider-woman [TS]

  have such a great relationship and I [TS]

  love the relationship that with the [TS]

  non-relationship the failed relationship [TS]

  that she has with Clint I think it's [TS]

  kind of great i love the way this [TS]

  universe go together without needing a [TS]

  big you know Santos crossover or [TS]

  something like that I like that the [TS]

  inmate in the am in the in the North [TS]

  thing to not only do we do some Clint [TS]

  beats a meets the lady with the car and [TS]

  it turns out that she's she's got some [TS]

  trouble [TS]

  my bad penny and they end up and they [TS]

  end up in bed together and all that but [TS]

  then she comes back and it turns out [TS]

  that [TS]

  Stephen she needs his help again and [TS]

  it's even she's even more trouble and [TS]

  she gets him and he you know he's [TS]

  committing crimes and it's and and he [TS]

  anchors all of the the underworld boxes [TS]

  because of a girl and you know other [TS]

  than ok it looks it looks bad [TS]

  you could easily have said well it all [TS]

  happened because of a girl because that [TS]

  is that is exactly what happens and it's [TS]

  just it's I i really like those i really [TS]

  like those issues and I like the fact [TS]

  that there's a follow-up issue that's [TS]

  the that's the complete opposites begins [TS]

  exactly the same way and then traces the [TS]

  story through the three women that we [TS]

  ran into in the previous issue that's [TS]

  another camera case where the story is [TS]

  now not self-contained and doubling back [TS]

  on itself in one issue but instead [TS]

  you've got these parallel issues that [TS]

  are that are building on each other so [TS]

  it's a another way I I feel like [TS]

  sometimes with the way we describe this [TS]

  we're saying look at this puzzle box of [TS]

  intricacy it's not really something you [TS]

  can appreciate so much as appreciate the [TS]

  workmanship but not you can enjoy it and [TS]

  it's not true [TS]

  this is an incredibly fun enjoyable [TS]

  thing to read it's just that as you're [TS]

  reading you're thinking well wait a [TS]

  second that's just like that thing that [TS]

  happened earlier and you realize that it [TS]

  it's great on the surface but then [TS]

  underneath it there is this huge [TS]

  structure that's being built up that [TS]

  unlike the guy i posted a link on [TS]

  twitter a while ago about the guy who [TS]

  says that if I can't read it and [TS]

  understand the first time it's not worth [TS]

  it [TS]

  ok alright well I can appreciate Hawkeye [TS]

  the first time but if you read it again [TS]

  suddenly it's that much more interesting [TS]

  and some comics you can do that and [TS]

  that's why i love comics and some comics [TS]

  you can [TS]

  well you read closer to I mean you know [TS]

  what we have talked probably at some [TS]

  point about issue 11 but why things [TS]

  hidden behind backs of panels right fish [TS]

  but the issue 11 you know for me was [TS]

  like alright I'm going to go very [TS]

  carefully through all these panels and [TS]

  then all the icons repeating things and [TS]

  like think about them and figure out [TS]

  okay i understand what is happening [TS]

  there but we which is amazing with issue [TS]

  with almost no words that has spent [TS]

  longer on it than I do on most issues [TS]

  that have words like when you get to the [TS]

  last page of you know 11 i think it is [TS]

  great that they stopped at 11-12 is [TS]

  fantastic until and the annular both [TS]

  really good but 11 is a perfect place to [TS]

  stop a lot of ways but you know again I [TS]

  have as much a time [TS]

  but i just-i i think that is it [TS]

  what are the two that were just talking [TS]

  about seven and eight hours are eight [TS]

  nine I guess 89 of the ones with penny [TS]

  or AKA cherry yeah a time and but but [TS]

  like you get to appear on the [TS]

  penultimate pages that wonderful seen [TS]

  mrs. chewing on a bone grills is [TS]

  grilling right and and of course plan is [TS]

  up there having a beer and talking to [TS]

  girls and girls giving him advice and if [TS]

  you just look at that point with page [TS]

  like this is really great it's so warm [TS]

  he's had this relationship with grills [TS]

  he's finally learned his name and then [TS]

  you flip the page was finally was game [TS]

  and Paige don't involve and I've also [TS]

  contended that that who's on first [TS]

  moment of like hot guy hot [TS]

  oh no I got hot guy no I I you you young [TS]

  guy like Nash I guess what that way is [TS]

  wearing my shirt I got my hot shirt but [TS]

  that one that one thing right there you [TS]

  you would just look at that people take [TS]

  awhile that's really well done flipped [TS]

  over 10 the club there's the clown many [TS]

  kill drills but then that's the basis [TS]

  for that's the basis for 11 [TS]

  you don't know that yet so Yuri 10 which [TS]

  i think i love the different style i [TS]

  think it's great and you get a 10 you're [TS]

  like wait a minute wait a minute would [TS]

  you ever guess that the end of 10 is [TS]

  what's happening at the same time as [TS]

  what's happening in on the roof [TS]

  no number nine and then you see the [TS]

  clown walked by the window it's totally [TS]

  bananas so here's the thing that they [TS]

  this somebody on Twitter who said i [TS]

  think that i think the second set wasn't [TS]

  as strong as the first set I i I'm going [TS]

  to disagree with that I i know i don't [TS]

  agree with that but here's the thing as [TS]

  i was reading 6 7 8 9 10 i was thinking [TS]

  hot it's not what I what I had before [TS]

  right it's not what I liked about it [TS]

  when it started was issue 1 2 & 3 where [TS]

  stand-alones issue 4 and 5 not as funny [TS]

  they're not as like funny was a [TS]

  two-parter they weren't they aren't as [TS]

  funny the dialogue isn't as wacky but [TS]

  looking back on it now and seeing that [TS]

  if you take the hurricane issue out six [TS]

  eight nine ten eleven are essentially [TS]

  like overlaid with one another telling [TS]

  one story because of course the end of [TS]

  nine is led up to and it's also the end [TS]

  of 10 and it also happens to be covered [TS]

  I issue 11 then I find it incredibly [TS]

  satisfying to look at that as a set of [TS]

  issues and realize that it's telling [TS]

  this one story and all these different [TS]

  ways but when you're in the middle of [TS]

  that I can sort of see it's like wow [TS]

  this is different and i'm not quite sure [TS]

  what's going on and now there's a cliff [TS]

  hangers and you know and back used to be [TS]

  self-contained now its cliffhanger [TS]

  what's going on but I can't you know [TS]

  having read that whole sequence now i [TS]

  can't i can't say that because now i see [TS]

  what it was building too and it makes me [TS]

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  we talk about pizza dog yeah so the dog [TS]

  is introduced a number one so you need [TS]

  to keep an eye on things you instantly [TS]

  loved him [TS]

  he Hawkeye finds him and feed him his [TS]

  crappy pizza [TS]

  yeah I didn't want anyways crappy pizza [TS]

  and the the bros in the tracksuit mafia [TS]

  get distracted by him because they're [TS]

  trying to kill Hawkeye and they kicked [TS]

  him in the street and Hawkeye saves is [TS]

  saved his life it's not my dog take some [TS]

  home we find out that his name is arrow [TS]

  in the very last page of the first issue [TS]

  and he says I'll give you a better name [TS]

  its lucky all AKP dog so an issue 11 it [TS]

  is I would actually say it's yeah I the [TS]

  best I don't know it is it is one of the [TS]

  most remarkable if not the most [TS]

  remarkable comic book issue i've ever [TS]

  read its told entirely from the [TS]

  perspective of the dog there are very [TS]

  few words that are understandable in it [TS]

  because dogs don't understand a whole [TS]

  lot of words it's got this entire set of [TS]

  symbols as Dan was saying earlier that [TS]

  indicate facts that are known by the dog [TS]

  based on smells or faces about everybody [TS]

  in the building and show the chain of [TS]

  associations that he makes to get from [TS]

  this smell to that person his senses and [TS]

  the way that he sends his things and the [TS]

  way the colors are handled where the did [TS]

  you know that the dog senses are not [TS]

  like human senses [TS]

  it's got the saul bass style pizza is my [TS]

  business overhead shot which i have on a [TS]

  t-shirt [TS]

  um yeah yeah and it's got and it's yet [TS]

  its own it's also with a little mini war [TS]

  where there's a femme fatale all and [TS]

  it's a dog has his own set of adventures [TS]

  and it's it's amazing and i remember [TS]

  reading this very clearly on an airplane [TS]

  and turning 22 my wife who is sitting [TS]

  across the island and saying oh my God [TS]

  look at this again she humored me was [TS]

  like huh dog [TS]

  alright but it's like you it's good but [TS]

  it's crazy it's amazing absolutely [TS]

  amazing [TS]

  well the thing that got me when I was [TS]

  rereading it this time and you just [TS]

  mentioned there you know there's not a [TS]

  lot of words because doctors and what [TS]

  words was how many of the words were [TS]

  like these are words dogs would know [TS]

  yes and no the one that got me was the [TS]

  one work it's fixing his tie and says [TS]

  collar stays and my collar stays [TS]

  yes those are both those are both worth [TS]

  the dogs okay dr. not understand what a [TS]

  collar stay is but like yeah okay [TS]

  apparently fraction also talked to a [TS]

  somebody new who is polish and tried to [TS]

  get what what somebody who speaks polish [TS]

  would say as commands to dogs [TS]

  yes so the things that I said that they [TS]

  could have it when he hears the [TS]

  tracksuit guys talking he understands [TS]

  those words because they were the words [TS]

  that they used to say to him when he was [TS]

  their dog in Trivial toe [TS]

  I know your brother's wife is broke [TS]

  yeah also a hawk i is say it so it [TS]

  doesn't i er work but you know there was [TS]

  like like but don't have very much again [TS]

  this is the just for people who are just [TS]

  kind of getting started with this that [TS]

  might miss it [TS]

  so if you go and look at that amazing [TS]

  first page you see darkness which i [TS]

  always take me that maybe he's sleeping [TS]

  that lucky sleeping and then you see a [TS]

  big h and then what what what [TS]

  it's now you guys know this is gonna [TS]

  sound I think well yeah we'll flip back [TS]

  in your trade four pages and that's the [TS]

  exact conversation conversation yeah he [TS]

  was having with Kate you know and so I [TS]

  what I i miss that I totally missed that [TS]

  we first time I read it and I also [TS]

  thought why are they getting where they [TS]

  can understand where they going to a [TS]

  wedding like what's the problem know [TS]

  where the girl is the girl's funeral and [TS]

  girls is funeral [TS]

  it's ya again points points of view [TS]

  though because I mean you think there's [TS]

  a dog eating a bone you see that twice [TS]

  like that but that's that's is [TS]

  suspenseful tell Mitzi oh yeah it's au [TS]

  capricious bitch [TS]

  so here's here's the thing that that is [TS]

  the the mind-blowing thing is he finds [TS]

  he finds the clown and the bros up on [TS]

  the roof where they return to the scene [TS]

  of a crime and he attacks them because [TS]

  he knows the smell of the of the clown [TS]

  of the killer [TS]

  yes and they fire at the dog and and the [TS]

  dog pushes them off the edge of the [TS]

  building and then there's black and what [TS]

  we see is the old lady and the clown and [TS]

  one of the bros and the dog are all in [TS]

  her apartment and she's serving them tea [TS]

  is the close-up on her name her necklace [TS]

  is a gun [TS]

  yeah and we realize that this lady is [TS]

  with the tracksuit mafia i think the [TS]

  first shot you see of i don't know his [TS]

  name is actually called Ivan but Clint [TS]

  calls him ivan the first traction mafia [TS]

  guy back an issue 1 [TS]

  is wearing that yeah or you know is [TS]

  equivalent of that necklace totally do [TS]

  not get so but they don't kill the dog [TS]

  the dog is you know the dog is but lucky [TS]

  you know escapes and he runs away when [TS]

  he hears a wetland yeah what we got me [TS]

  that time was actually to speak to that [TS]

  the the thing that you the necklace i [TS]

  sort of pause that but everything I [TS]

  realized this time looking closely at [TS]

  the panels like clowns still wearing the [TS]

  clown makeup and it's not like with some [TS]

  of the nation's collective screwed with [TS]

  pancreatic uncertainty that seems that [TS]

  seemed off an Eastern European accent [TS]

  and I just I so much your dreams now [TS]

  when you switch back to the first trade [TS]

  and you realize she's sitting right in [TS]

  the middle of the rooftop with on ATM [TS]

  and she's the one who kind of makes [TS]

  disparaging comments and clean yeah must [TS]

  be money money just money must be nice [TS]

  to say i read this the first time I'm [TS]

  like I'm not entirely sure what's going [TS]

  on and I wrote the second time was like [TS]

  oh oh yeah oh oh lady you [TS]

  you betrayer of what I mean she's not [TS]

  she's loyal to the people that [TS]

  presumably that they put her up in the [TS]

  apartment in their building perfectly [TS]

  normal that they would do that anybody [TS]

  hears that lucky here is that the the [TS]

  somebody's coming to the door and [TS]

  opening the door and it's another track [TS]

  suit guy and he he bolts out [TS]

  well the early on doesn't even say [TS]

  something about it you know he's raising [TS]

  the rent is tripling the right to get [TS]

  them out of the building and clips like [TS]

  i'll give you the money its annual some [TS]

  money on something out about them so I'm [TS]

  thinking she's she's the immediate [TS]

  memory stating the obvious but I think [TS]

  she's some kind of ring later and [TS]

  there's something else it's gonna happen [TS]

  with that building we just haven't seen [TS]

  yet [TS]

  my guess is that by the way they go over [TS]

  the roof we don't see what's happened my [TS]

  guess is that they slam into a fire [TS]

  escape or something because otherwise [TS]

  he's okay they would die you're hit well [TS]

  you know and the one tracks your guy has [TS]

  like his leg is all bandaged up right [TS]

  yeah it and the dog he's still there's [TS]

  okay so obviously they didn't fall to [TS]

  their death because they're not that [TS]

  yeah but who knows maybe they're playing [TS]

  some other crazy trick on us there [TS]

  anymore you know one of the tracks you [TS]

  guys is dead under one of them fall off [TS]

  the roof yet is she pretty [TS]

  yeah we see only see the guide the ball [TS]

  don't lie right that's not the guy who [TS]

  is actually his owner right like that [TS]

  somehow lucky maybe or lucky was lucky [TS]

  and landed on that the guy or something [TS]

  I don't know when we see his shoe right [TS]

  like a shoe [TS]

  right in the next shot but they don't [TS]

  but they don't kill the dog and the dog [TS]

  escapes so I think there's it's very [TS]

  mysterious and I wonder if there's more [TS]

  to be clarified there but that this [TS]

  doesn't this leaves out the lab most [TS]

  important thing which closes the second [TS]

  trade which is a kate and and Clint have [TS]

  a conversation that we don't understand [TS]

  because we're just in the perspective of [TS]

  a dog and she says goodbye and and [TS]

  that's shocking and she's leaving with [TS]

  her stuff and then she calls lucky and [TS]

  he comes and they both leave and they [TS]

  get my car in the drive to California [TS]

  huh with a couple stops along alone why [TS]

  stops along the way [TS]

  yeah why for pete's sake why lucky sake [TS]

  yeah I don't know I don't know the dogs [TS]

  don't understand why these people do [TS]

  what they do we'll be back [TS]

  they killed captain america he came back [TS]

  and we gotta go get on a plane [TS]

  yes i would i would read that issue [TS]

  well if you want to know what happens [TS]

  next to Kate you have to read a Hawkeye [TS]

  annual number one which is Kate's first [TS]

  adventures upon reaching Los Angeles now [TS]

  I have to get a comic book store and do [TS]

  that yeah you know what [TS]

  thanks Jason yea madam ass comes back [TS]

  though who we saw in issues four and [TS]

  five [TS]

  yeah I didn't realize in the first the [TS]

  first time [TS]

  what's the issue where afterwards like [TS]

  the the kingpins like all right we gotta [TS]

  kill kill [TS]

  Hawkeye cuz he's causing us trouble and [TS]

  losing is money and all the they've got [TS]

  like sort of their assortment of you [TS]

  know crime lords or what have you but a [TS]

  lot of them are at the hotel in issue to [TS]

  write when the one that's crazy circus [TS]

  folks are robbing everyone Robin had a [TS]

  mascara is in the background there i [TS]

  think which I didn't realize until [TS]

  rereading it who were shadowing you know [TS]

  what this this comic definitely has its [TS]

  cast of characters right and they keep [TS]

  bringing the mask is also funny because [TS]

  one of the things that place on it is [TS]

  she's a her bizarre kind of backstory [TS]

  and lack of understanding of humanity [TS]

  and this comes back in the annual but [TS]

  where she does that thing where she's [TS]

  like [TS]

  your kid kids smoke do you have any [TS]

  cigarettes and kids like what are you [TS]

  talking about and I i assume that it's [TS]

  also a commentary on Joe casadas [TS]

  no-smoking policy and marvel comics [TS]

  which I don't mind but it's kind of I [TS]

  think it's kind of I think it's kind of [TS]

  funny and i think it's i suspect that is [TS]

  part of the commentary there but also we [TS]

  just something about Madame masque is [TS]

  this bizarre creature who is like not [TS]

  connected to because she's like this [TS]

  crazy crime lady who walks around in the [TS]

  gold mask all the time and so I kind of [TS]

  enjoy that she's portrayed as being like [TS]

  completely disconnected from interacting [TS]

  with other humans and I loved her [TS]

  I like that she is a backup mask 4k to [TS]

  steal that lets you you never travel [TS]

  with just one mass come home you gotta [TS]

  have the back of mass and then she's and [TS]

  a wig [TS]

  yeah it matches her natural hair yeah [TS]

  also in that in that uh she tells kate [TS]

  that she's gonna step out cigarettes [TS]

  interface and kept and killer and kate [TS]

  has a look that is that it's uh it's [TS]

  essentially like so edition how is [TS]

  something it's that it's she looks just [TS]

  like her and she's like oh but I'm [TS]

  America's Sweetheart you can't kill me [TS]

  and get hot guy hit me and then of [TS]

  course they show up on that like oh [TS]

  aight aight smart with me when you have [TS]

  the shit yeah the shield like shield [TS]

  guys show up just to like hey you know [TS]

  we don't forget we've got like a [TS]

  helicopter lovely abducted him from the [TS]

  roof everything I said nobody seems to [TS]

  care because he's all Hawkeye who is [TS]

  this hot i think it's so awkward because [TS]

  they just like we're just gonna strap [TS]

  this thing to do and just you know like [TS]

  you know I like 10 point does the first [TS]

  the first few issues when he tries to [TS]

  like you sort of tries to deny these [TS]

  Hawkeye and then kinda just gives up on [TS]

  it to all the people in the building [TS]

  except you know that conversation with [TS]

  girls about being hot guy and we're [TS]

  gonna do [TS]

  wait did you say just don't make a big [TS]

  thing of it he wants to have his [TS]

  apartment is not gonna live in the [TS]

  mansion go at once to have his apartment [TS]

  to live his life I i like how Marvel [TS]

  heroes are integrated in this case it is [TS]

  a marvel comic and I've said before on [TS]

  this podcast that it is kind of amazing [TS]

  that a comic it with this this is the [TS]

  way the the story is told the art all of [TS]

  these things that it you know it proves [TS]

  that you can make an amazing piece of of [TS]

  of art [TS]

  in a superhero comic from marvel comics [TS]

  with a mainstream Marvel character it [TS]

  can be done and the way the Marvel [TS]

  characters get I mean that we've got [TS]

  some villains but marvel heroes are very [TS]

  seldom seen and when they are it's [TS]

  interesting how to get dropped in that [TS]

  the Christmas issue where Wolverine [TS]

  spider-man appear very briefly along [TS]

  with lackeys of Fame who are claiming to [TS]

  be the one the the 99th respect [TS]

  no you're not i don't know oh and Tony [TS]

  Stark trying to get him to wire up is a [TS]

  his DVD player and then Maria hill and [TS]

  shield and nicks curious appear in the [TS]

  Madame masque issue but it's very [TS]

  limited and and there are often deployed [TS]

  either as a kind of wacky plot [TS]

  contrivance or just for q Murr value [TS]

  which I like i enjoy that their that [TS]

  they're still there they're just not [TS]

  important i love that scene with a where [TS]

  Captain America and and clinton and [TS]

  agent Hellerman are sitting like in kind [TS]

  of the interrogation room but kind of [TS]

  like a card table and it's like man even [TS]

  superheroes have to go to meetings and [TS]

  i'm not even if they're not even [TS]

  superhero cool meetings are just really [TS]

  crappy office meetings know it's like [TS]

  and the Lighting's not even great in [TS]

  here [TS]

  yy-you still wearing the mask bag [TS]

  couldn't figure out like he's in a room [TS]

  with like two people presumably know why [TS]

  do you still have those deep cups and [TS]

  his boots are dinner military [TS]

  organization is your experience at Holy [TS]

  uniform time at the end of the tape [TS]

  two-parter again with that common or [TS]

  hapless heroes kind of thing is Kate [TS]

  almost dies and once all bandaged up a [TS]

  Damascus very angry and and in the end [TS]

  it turns out and we haven't known this [TS]

  all along that this tape that supposedly [TS]

  shows Clint killing somebody [TS]

  it's a fake and this was all a leak to [TS]

  find the gunman my child and there's a [TS]

  tape of Captain America killing people [TS]

  to know she's like the meeting with no [TS]

  sense i realize meeting is no sense in [TS]

  retrospect because it's like we're [TS]

  having this conversation for the [TS]

  audience I think I honestly think [TS]

  they're having the conversation to try [TS]

  and make sure that the mole was to test [TS]

  it because they figure out the mole [TS]

  season then they'll pass on information [TS]

  and so on and so what's everybody has to [TS]

  play along i just don't know where the [TS]

  signal got past to barton that this was [TS]

  going to be the [TS]

  charade they were all going through yeah [TS]

  it's really there for k2 public what [TS]

  what what I put myself through all this [TS]

  for that which is funny again it's [TS]

  nothing but trouble and this is what [TS]

  supposed to be with Hawkeye is doing [TS]

  when he's not an adventure [TS]

  I don't understand why he doesn't just [TS]

  spend a lot of time sleeping on the [TS]

  couch [TS]

  I think he does i think that's like the [TS]

  the stuff that doesn't even make the cut [TS]

  for Hawkeye on his purple couch with the [TS]

  dog 1 this is what Hawkeye does when he [TS]

  is not in his heart is on my car [TS]

  that's what that's what I think this [TS]

  fraction said in this interview is [TS]

  listening to that his original [TS]

  conception was like this is Clint's [TS]

  Thursday like this is his day off [TS]

  you know what we're where he just does [TS]

  his thing and so you know as you've [TS]

  noted Jason there's a big barrier to get [TS]

  past 20 people here this is a comment [TS]

  about hockey and anybody's read comics [TS]

  was gonna roll their eyes but I you know [TS]

  it really is about all those little [TS]

  details and the other thing is when you [TS]

  talk about levels is gonna sound such a [TS]

  cliche but you can really read this [TS]

  however you want if you want to nerd out [TS]

  with me and do things on the outliner to [TS]

  understand what's happening here you can [TS]

  but really you can I think you can look [TS]

  at these especially not to diminish the [TS]

  other ones but especially the other [TS]

  issues [TS]

  I mean you really can just look at the [TS]

  art yes I just looking for coming in and [TS]

  in the back of the trade and the second [TS]

  one yeah yeah you should talk about [TS]

  color you have a color history all its [TS]

  coloring that beautiful [TS]

  I you know and I'm again i'm i'm a word [TS]

  guy i like reading words I'm not big on [TS]

  some pictures but like I love the art in [TS]

  these books and that's that's rare for [TS]

  me and I yet but it's such a you know [TS]

  that it's you know a cliche but I mean [TS]

  like the writing and the art work so [TS]

  well together like the idea of telling [TS]

  somebody this joke you know I'm great at [TS]

  boats but the expression on clinton days [TS]

  when he says I married boats is [TS]

  hilarious casino is no great but [TS]

  hilarious casino is no great but [TS]

  I don't know it's yeah I'm excited but [TS]

  entirely delightful i am i'm just glad [TS]

  that he does all the shopping at target [TS]

  I just assume that well this one is on [TS]

  my second throw the tracks if mafia [TS]

  exactly i realized looks like this take [TS]

  time and and it's it's but I asked her [TS]

  yesterday I was talking to my I was [TS]

  telling my comics store guy Winstone [TS]

  that we're doing the show and we're [TS]

  talking about is like you know we're [TS]

  both just going on about it and you know [TS]

  he said something that I've been [TS]

  thinking about a lot [TS]

  he says you know this has gotten so much [TS]

  acclaim and it really deserves a claim [TS]

  but you gotta wonder like if this worked [TS]

  a marvel comic it might get ten times [TS]

  more claim because it really doesn't [TS]

  read like a marvel comic it really is i [TS]

  would like something you'd see on image [TS]

  get a lot of ways i'm actually you know [TS]

  what kind of reminds me of what I'm [TS]

  going away old school here is anyone [TS]

  else familiar with the green arrow run [TS]

  mike grell did the long bow hunters I [TS]

  almost picked it up after react after [TS]

  watching arrow because i heard there [TS]

  were some relationship to it they could [TS]

  not be more dissimilar in artistic style [TS]

  at all because there's a lot of pastel [TS]

  work and there's a lot about this that [TS]

  screams 1980s but the whole premise [TS]

  behind the long bow hunters is that [TS]

  Oliver and Dinah or are out or out of [TS]

  the art of the business and they want to [TS]

  settle down in seattle and have a normal [TS]

  life and naturally that doesn't happen [TS]

  but a lot of it deals with how [TS]

  superheroes try to live a mundane life [TS]

  and still get the it and install respond [TS]

  to the moral imperatives that drive them [TS]

  and so it's kind of a nice you [TS]

  30 there's like a 30-year difference [TS]

  between the books because i think the [TS]

  long bow hunters was published it [TS]

  sometime ladies I think the lady yes [TS]

  there's some excuse me 25 year [TS]

  difference but it's it's got a very [TS]

  similar sensibility in the whole well [TS]

  this is what they do when they're not [TS]

  offering silly costumes and running [TS]

  around and dealing with space aliens and [TS]

  insane organizations and so on and so [TS]

  forth and presumably they're both about [TS]

  Archer the book i wanted to mention is [TS]

  immortal iron fist we have was by these [TS]

  guys and it's got a very different tone [TS]

  and and and also actually that's one of [TS]

  the jokes when ru is ru iron fist I was [TS]

  like that's like when they're when [TS]

  they're arresting you may become yelling [TS]

  at Milwaukee's like I'm an adventurer [TS]

  are you iron fits but another another [TS]

  one of those Marvel characters like you [TS]

  know how many people go oh yeah iron [TS]

  fist like he's my favorite right he is [TS]

  such a badass he's so cool and you when [TS]

  you think of him you think about half of [TS]

  Power Man and Iron Fist perfect that [TS]

  right I got the immortal iron fist [TS]

  so yes immortal iron fist well there is [TS]

  it the did you see the so I flipped [TS]

  through the first couple pages of matt [TS]

  fraction's Doctor Strange and there's a [TS]

  scene in the very beginning we're like a [TS]

  someone comes into like superhero like [TS]

  this is like the clinic where the [TS]

  superheroes go when they get beat up and [TS]

  iron fists like sitting there like [TS]

  reading through a magazine and was wait [TS]

  aren't you r infinity goes yes and I [TS]

  don't know where power handed her [TS]

  partner's not a couple well so immortal [TS]

  iron fist I recommend it highly really [TS]

  great run i read all of it actually on [TS]

  the Marvel unlimited app because i have [TS]

  a subscription to that the entire run is [TS]

  on there and it's great and I i went [TS]

  back to it after realizing that the [TS]

  people who were making this comic that I [TS]

  really like that is very slowly [TS]

  releasing new issues admitted that his [TS]

  whole run of immortal iron fist and [TS]

  again I thought iron fist [TS]

  well i'm reading Hawkeye so why not iron [TS]

  fist and it's great actually it's great [TS]

  and there are interesting digression [TS]

  again where there are these issues that [TS]

  flashback as the idea is there are the [TS]

  previous iron fists throughout history [TS]

  and that story is interrelated to the [TS]

  story arc that they're telling and you [TS]

  know there's fascinating stuff with the [TS]

  portal that goes from the the floating [TS]

  city of Kunlun 7077 kingdoms and all of [TS]

  that and then earth and what's going on [TS]

  and that the whole plot and it's great [TS]

  it really is a great story so i [TS]

  recommend that to 44 people and and that [TS]

  run is done so you can read all that [TS]

  whole story [TS]

  next up fraction takes on cipher but at [TS]

  least it should be you should be next up [TS]

  which may be more the x-men you don't [TS]

  like one of the houses Cyclops justice [TS]

  you know who likes I quite like Cyclops [TS]

  yeah really seriously anything else to [TS]

  talk about about Hawkeye it's great [TS]

  it's great we like it we reckon colors [TS]

  over the colors really love to show you [TS]

  the colors on this podcast and [TS]

  fortunately that technology is not yet [TS]

  enjoy such colors purple and red are you [TS]

  muted green read-only cherry and others [TS]

  variety of how many comics can you buy [TS]

  that feature all the shades of purple in [TS]

  one book all the shades it's true [TS]

  50 shades of purple be the third trade [TS]

  volume 3 if you didn't like purple [TS]

  before you will like purple [TS]

  yeah after reading Hawkeye because i [TS]

  didn't want guarantees are implied by [TS]

  this endorsement [TS]

  oh you know I didn't mention i don't [TS]

  know a lot about the larger comics world [TS]

  but does anybody else reminded of Chris [TS]

  we're a little bit a little i forgot to [TS]

  remember that kinda like a lot [TS]

  yeah actually yeah look at this again [TS]

  this is from the the wonderful christmas [TS]

  episode [TS]

  uh-huh the more clicks out front with [TS]

  the with the bow and arrow just that [TS]

  kind of 50 millimeter looking shot oh [TS]

  yeah of the building with all the [TS]

  straight lines [TS]

  it reminds me of the layout visit this [TS]

  is you could you could take i mean i [TS]

  think Merlin use of the art you could [TS]

  take pages of this panels of this [TS]

  stripped of all the story stripped of [TS]

  all the dialogue and it would be [TS]

  beautiful [TS]

  I think with the story the III there are [TS]

  several issues that you can see they're [TS]

  like textbook this is how you write a [TS]

  comic a modern comic I i I'll of like [TS]

  saga we talked about and saga is big and [TS]

  weird and wild and i love it but it also [TS]

  feels very much like it's almost [TS]

  one-of-a-kind Hawkeye look at my say [TS]

  this is this is like textbook this is [TS]

  like you do more comics like this this [TS]

  is this is like how you make a modern [TS]

  comic this is what are the devil is in [TS]

  the detail yeah i mean the details of [TS]

  like again that interview heard and I [TS]

  was talking about how he starts out [TS]

  every sketch and it's a thousand lines [TS]

  and then used to figure out how to try [TS]

  to get that down to like four lines [TS]

  yeah it'sit's it is very minimal in that [TS]

  sense but also in the sense that it's [TS]

  very small scale [TS]

  it's very you know macro in some ways [TS]

  and back to that layer of thing just [TS]

  real quick the idea that you know you [TS]

  can look at it as a lot about [TS]

  relationships it's it's a lot about his [TS]

  relationship with people but it starts [TS]

  out with something in episode great [TS]

  phrase everyone's calling dummy [TS]

  he's calling himself dummy but you dummy [TS]

  you dummy and but you know Clint you [TS]

  dummy you think all you're gonna do is [TS]

  go and deal with these guys that you can [TS]

  easily take care of these the kind of [TS]

  the Mafia but then suddenly now he [TS]

  realizes that's making him more [TS]

  it's been clear that there's an Avenger [TS]

  who lives there which now all the people [TS]

  he's trying to protect it puts them in [TS]

  danger [TS]

  he's gonna be a hero and so he buys the [TS]

  buildings can be here and protect them [TS]

  and how do we ever imagined that that [TS]

  seemingly modest single issue at the [TS]

  beginning would lead us to where we are [TS]

  now and I mean I personally i'm just i'm [TS]

  thrilled to see where it's gonna go I'm [TS]

  glad it's been so successful and got so [TS]

  many awards because just cause it'll [TS]

  keep it alive [TS]

  you know what I mean it's just something [TS]

  it's to figure it's a very modest story [TS]

  in some ways there's no Galactus or [TS]

  anything like that it's that will be [TS]

  weird when he eventually shows up in [TS]

  like one panel and it's like oh yeah [TS]

  collector now just you want dog was [TS]

  waving this looks bad but I know it's [TS]

  gonna be like he's got a he's driving a [TS]

  dump truck and there's like a big piece [TS]

  of purple scrap metal in the back and [TS]

  he's gonna be like yeah this is like [TS]

  collect part itself Galactus issue [TS]

  that's what it's gonna be [TS]

  uh no Galactus i'll also before we go [TS]

  i'm not going to spoil issue 12 but I [TS]

  want to bring up something about issue [TS]

  12 one of the things I am I never really [TS]

  thought about Marvel when I was a when I [TS]

  was a kid but now that I'm a publishing [TS]

  industry professional every now and then [TS]

  I see something in a marvel comic that [TS]

  fascinates me because it reminds me that [TS]

  the comics industry is sometimes just on [TS]

  the just on the razor's edge of [TS]

  professionalism because the letter [TS]

  column in issue 12 Hawkeye for those who [TS]

  haven't gotten it you have to get the [TS]

  single issue in order to get this letter [TS]

  column literally has two covers from [TS]

  forthcoming issues and a letter column [TS]

  that says hey guys I was too busy to do [TS]

  the letter column [TS]

  normally we do a playlist i was too busy [TS]

  to do the playlist [TS]

  here's some dvds that i bought recently [TS]

  yeah my baseball team is doing well this [TS]

  year [TS]

  see you next month i'm not kidding it's [TS]

  like Stephen whackers personal blog and [TS]

  and I read this and I think my why not [TS]

  just put the covers then why even say [TS]

  anything because it's embarrassing [TS]

  landfill space they're essentially awful [TS]

  so Matt Fraction putting in the work to [TS]

  create one of the most amazing comics [TS]

  being published now marvel editorial [TS]

  kind of wasting time throwing pencils [TS]

  into the ceiling and writing [TS]

  embarrassing letter column so Bravo [TS]

  Stephen wacker that's one of the babies [TS]

  professional things I've seen a [TS]

  professional published thing in a long [TS]

  censored by wacker good job [TS]

  we could probably tops out of work right [TS]

  yeah well I'm glad to hear that he got [TS]

  his criterion night DVD of night train [TS]

  to munich for fifteen bucks that was [TS]

  good to know thanks [TS]

  oh good to know marvel keep up the good [TS]

  work all about the macro and owned by [TS]

  disney yeah i'm going to CS attention [TS]

  disney don't get that don't get the [TS]

  board fired come on that terrific movie [TS]

  called planes [TS]

  yeah that's right i could just run the [TS]

  whole column about that right some fake [TS]

  letters getting intern there are people [TS]

  who would die to be a Marvel intern get [TS]

  them to do the letter column is also [TS]

  don't write into well I think we've done [TS]

  enough damage for one episode of the [TS]

  incomparable but I think we are all in [TS]

  agreement that people should seek out [TS]

  Hawkeye even if you don't like Hawkeye [TS]

  or the Avengers or i would say or [TS]

  superhero comics because it's really it [TS]

  is the arterial comic it's a sitcom it's [TS]

  a sitcom with arrows and occasionally a [TS]

  drawer drama it's an action to come [TS]

  right i mean there is there is some [TS]

  action and there are people who died and [TS]

  robinson comedy drama com something [TS]

  arrows direction midi it's a direction [TS]

  by fraction guys it's good i just don't [TS]

  go to recommendation for people [TS]

  especially who you know like like [TS]

  fantasy and since I fine and [TS]

  in books sure but you know one nice [TS]

  thing about Hawkeye fractions talked [TS]

  about this how he tries to write stuff [TS]

  that he feels ok so in his kids and you [TS]

  know there's some stuff in here that's a [TS]

  little bit you know you know hot having [TS]

  sex with the redhead [TS]

  well I don't even think that you see [TS]

  Hawkeyes a face over his general they [TS]

  just take a nap together they they just [TS]

  were both very tired there may be taken [TS]

  sweet matt fraction's kids are very [TS]

  mature and match but you can show this [TS]

  you can show this to a young person and [TS]

  anybody who is a comic nerd that wants [TS]

  to I don't know it's perfect for showing [TS]

  kids my daughter and I love reading this [TS]

  we have put up a picture we buy some [TS]

  time [TS]

  how do you have how old is your daughter [TS]

  and how do you handle the the love [TS]

  affairs with that well I mean we don't [TS]

  you go faster [TS]

  I mean it's like anything you know if [TS]

  you're gonna show me pg-13 movie you got [TS]

  you know kinda kind of massage it but no [TS]

  but I mean like for example the pizza [TS]

  dog up we've bought well I've got one [TS]

  song copy that we don't mess with and [TS]

  then I've bought three beater copies [TS]

  because we read it so much that it just [TS]

  falls apart and what you know if I were [TS]

  a writer and artist that would be like [TS]

  the greatest compliment the world to me [TS]

  it's like you know I sit down with my [TS]

  with my freakin five-year-old kid and [TS]

  she reads me quote unquote the pizza dog [TS]

  comic and you know I I anybody who likes [TS]

  a little a little a little love a little [TS]

  story is the everyone say it's a puzzle [TS]

  it's not impossible to figure out but i [TS]

  would this is it's one reason i keep [TS]

  talking about saga and Hawkeye is to [TS]

  this day there are still people who say [TS]

  oh you talked about that so much and i [TS]

  finally got it i can't believe this i [TS]

  have a second life now I think it's a [TS]

  good one to introduce people or [TS]

  reintroduce people to comics with I [TS]

  really do ya I think the reintroduces is [TS]

  big for me I think I recommended how [TS]

  kind of people who read superhero comics [TS]

  in the past and are interested in now [TS]

  because it's a nice example of what a [TS]

  superhero comic could be but usually is [TS]

  Right saga something I recommended you [TS]

  know people with eyes i'm not gonna give [TS]

  everybody a copy of watch because that's [TS]

  a big investment in this case you know I [TS]

  think you can dive in and again it's a [TS]

  good asset test for like whatever 10 or [TS]

  15 bucks you're going to find out in [TS]

  that first issue whether or not this is [TS]

  for you and if you need a chance to [TS]

  check in and find out if this is the [TS]

  kind of thing you still might like I [TS]

  think you could do a lot worse you like [TS]

  stories do you like dogs [TS]

  aerosil [TS]

  tales about an average an average Joe [TS]

  who is impossible posing arrows a yeah [TS]

  your fan brezin eras frozen arrows and [TS]

  that's the pilot on your fast rate their [TS]

  brothers the bell merwin where's the [TS]

  bel-air thank you i was good [TS]

  alright and and with that because that [TS]

  can't be topped [TS]

  I'm gonna close up this edition of the [TS]

  comic book club so i would like to thank [TS]

  my guess who made this a very special [TS]

  enjoyable our talking about this great [TS]

  comic to trades by the way out now so [TS]

  you should get them on amazon get at [TS]

  your local bookstore government your [TS]

  local comic shop highly recommended and [TS]

  then there are now issues that are [TS]

  coming out and they'll be a third-grade [TS]

  pretty soon but you could get the issues [TS]

  if you love the first two trades so a [TS]

  time to say goodbye Dan Morgan thanks [TS]

  for being here [TS]

  always a pleasure Jason thanks for [TS]

  having me yeah it's nice that when Tony [TS]

  tells you to read comics and you read [TS]

  them [TS]

  he's my bro yeah bro Tony sindelar [TS]

  thanks again for for not only being here [TS]

  but also showing damn or in the proper [TS]

  way to read comics I trust left to right [TS]

  every day every day I tried [TS]

  yes good good place miser it's always a [TS]

  pleasure to have you on it's always a [TS]

  pleasure to be here thank you talking [TS]

  talking comics maybe get jason reitman [TS]

  back sometime and we reunite the [TS]

  original comic book club but he's very [TS]

  busy guy these days we need to i just [TS]

  read the first two volumes of Harbinger [TS]

  and I'm dying to talk about them with [TS]

  somebody and valiant together now I get [TS]

  it yeah alright I want to talk morning [TS]

  glories to which all because I feel like [TS]

  they're kind of in that they're kind of [TS]

  related because it's always the [TS]

  structure of a school filled with people [TS]

  who have special powers and it's not one [TS]

  and there's a one world conspiracy [TS]

  involved so that was just like just like [TS]

  my high school will work on it does it's [TS]

  pretty much like every high school and [TS]

  merlin mann thank you for coming back to [TS]

  Ashley bro thanks bro bro brothers [TS]

  lowbrow bro and until next time I am [TS]

  Jason still signing off the [TS]

  uncomfortable [TS]

  thanks for listening everybody [TS]