Cortex 51: Meeting for Lunch


00:00:00   hello Mike hi gray I feel like last show [TS]

00:00:02   we really clarified something mm-hmm you [TS]

00:00:06   know what's about to begin [TS]

00:00:07   season two of cortex we did our clip [TS]

00:00:12   show stroke [TS]

00:00:14   looking back on cortex last time and we [TS]

00:00:17   talked about a bunch of things and one [TS]

00:00:20   of them was talking about this idea that [TS]

00:00:21   we you and I are sort of meeting for [TS]

00:00:23   lunch and we're discussing our working [TS]

00:00:26   lives and talking things through and how [TS]

00:00:29   for both of us this is a beneficial [TS]

00:00:33   process [TS]

00:00:34   it's like talking about the thing that [TS]

00:00:37   you're doing helps you do things better [TS]

00:00:39   even if you're not explicitly talking [TS]

00:00:42   about how to make your working life [TS]

00:00:44   better and this is one of these things [TS]

00:00:48   like I find I have this kind of [TS]

00:00:49   conversation with lots of people in my [TS]

00:00:51   life and I feel like this is a learned [TS]

00:00:54   kind of skill but it's it's something [TS]

00:00:56   that almost sounds so banal that people [TS]

00:01:02   don't recognize it as a skill the little [TS]

00:01:05   just thinking in the background about [TS]

00:01:08   how you work and running it over every [TS]

00:01:11   once in a while and thinking about how [TS]

00:01:13   things go and there was a there was a [TS]

00:01:15   particular comment from the reddit that [TS]

00:01:16   I really liked that I felt like summed [TS]

00:01:18   this up and also pointed out the learned [TS]

00:01:20   nature of this skill and it was a [TS]

00:01:25   comment from logic 42 who said the thing [TS]

00:01:29   I've learned from cortex is [TS]

00:01:30   introspection before cortex I just did [TS]

00:01:33   things I didn't think about the process [TS]

00:01:35   of getting things done by simply [TS]

00:01:37   considering the meta problem I began to [TS]

00:01:40   see ways to improve and I feel like I [TS]

00:01:43   feel like that's what we're doing here [TS]

00:01:44   Mike you and I were engaged in the meta [TS]

00:01:46   process and hopefully we're bringing [TS]

00:01:51   listeners along with us on this ride [TS]

00:01:55   and from this comment and the reddit I [TS]

00:01:57   feel like it is evidenced that we are [TS]

00:01:59   accomplishing this thing so you [TS]

00:02:02   mentioned you mention it last time [TS]

00:02:03   mention at this time the idea of of me [TS]

00:02:05   and you just basically having our [TS]

00:02:08   lunches but we've Skype in the middle [TS]

00:02:10   whoo [TS]

00:02:11   you know where we just sit down and talk [TS]

00:02:13   about the way that we work and that has [TS]

00:02:16   been rattling around in my brain quite a [TS]

00:02:18   lot and I'm thinking about trying to [TS]

00:02:21   find ways to incorporate that that kind [TS]

00:02:23   of process into the show even more than [TS]

00:02:25   before [TS]

00:02:25   mm-hm and one of the reasons is not [TS]

00:02:28   everybody in their lives has this person [TS]

00:02:31   that they're able to talk to so then we [TS]

00:02:33   actually help fulfill that for a lot of [TS]

00:02:35   people I think right like as as is [TS]

00:02:38   pointed out by logic 42 it's just [TS]

00:02:40   sometimes you're just hearing these [TS]

00:02:42   conversations helps people yeah that [TS]

00:02:46   that's what that's a real that's a real [TS]

00:02:49   I don't know I don't know how to explain [TS]

00:02:51   it very well but like I'm not a big [TS]

00:02:52   believer in like the abstract notion of [TS]

00:02:54   like like the self-help section of a [TS]

00:02:58   bookstore right which i think is mostly [TS]

00:03:01   garbage and fraud are' and you say what [TS]

00:03:04   you really think [TS]

00:03:06   luxe tourism right but but I think there [TS]

00:03:11   is like I have found in my own life [TS]

00:03:15   there was there was real value to [TS]

00:03:19   hearing people explaining their thought [TS]

00:03:23   process about why they do a thing and [TS]

00:03:26   I'm aware of like when I listen to [TS]

00:03:29   podcasts that is something I am always [TS]

00:03:31   really interested in it's like oh I want [TS]

00:03:33   to hear somebody explain their reasons [TS]

00:03:36   for doing a thing even if it's like oh [TS]

00:03:39   you have no interest in doing that thing [TS]

00:03:42   or you have no interest in that person [TS]

00:03:43   directly like if there's I think there [TS]

00:03:47   is benefit to being just like exposed to [TS]

00:03:51   this person who's just explaining [TS]

00:03:53   something and I have found that there is [TS]

00:03:58   advantage in hearing someone just like [TS]

00:04:01   talk through their working process which [TS]

00:04:04   then just ends up making me think about [TS]

00:04:07   the way that I do things and the other [TS]

00:04:11   for the other thing that I have I have [TS]

00:04:12   found is is like it is a Taysom what [TS]

00:04:19   rarer skill then I might have first [TS]

00:04:20   imagined in the world like it was a [TS]

00:04:23   thing I was really aware of in [TS]

00:04:25   I working life that I found a lot of my [TS]

00:04:29   colleagues just didn't fall into that [TS]

00:04:31   category of like doing doing that meta [TS]

00:04:35   problem analysis like thinking about why [TS]

00:04:39   things happen as opposed to giving an [TS]

00:04:41   answer like oh we just always do things [TS]

00:04:43   that's why you're like you're just [TS]

00:04:44   sticking with the the first way that a [TS]

00:04:46   thing is being done so that's why I find [TS]

00:04:49   it useful to talk to somebody else like [TS]

00:04:52   yourself and I think that it is it is [TS]

00:04:55   useful to listen to other people doing [TS]

00:04:57   the same thing even if you're not a part [TS]

00:04:59   of that conversation because that's [TS]

00:05:01   something that I have been doing for [TS]

00:05:03   years myself with podcasts about a year [TS]

00:05:07   ago I read this article motherboard [TS]

00:05:09   about professional wrestling podcasts [TS]

00:05:12   and the idea is that and the headline [TS]

00:05:14   says it all really podcasts are group [TS]

00:05:17   therapy sessions for pro wrestling fans [TS]

00:05:20   with the idea being that most people [TS]

00:05:23   that like professional wrestling tend [TS]

00:05:25   not to have somebody else in their life [TS]

00:05:26   that also likes it right right so [TS]

00:05:29   professional wrestling podcasts are so [TS]

00:05:31   popular and they are massively popular [TS]

00:05:33   because these people don't get to talk [TS]

00:05:36   to anybody else about it so they get to [TS]

00:05:38   listen to the podcasts that other people [TS]

00:05:40   make about this stuff ooh and I expect [TS]

00:05:42   that there is a kind of weird similarity [TS]

00:05:46   between those shows on this show and [TS]

00:05:47   that I don't know how many people that [TS]

00:05:50   listen to the show really have somebody [TS]

00:05:52   else in their life that they can talk to [TS]

00:05:54   about their to do system right all right [TS]

00:05:58   but if people get that enjoyment out of [TS]

00:06:00   listening to me and you chat about them [TS]

00:06:02   we have to think we have this very [TS]

00:06:03   similar thing with the pen addict as [TS]

00:06:05   well mm-hmm you know how many people do [TS]

00:06:07   you know in your life that really love [TS]

00:06:09   pens like a very very deep level well [TS]

00:06:11   any and Brad do you know you know it's a [TS]

00:06:15   similar kind of thing yeah it is that's [TS]

00:06:18   definitely the case and like I know [TS]

00:06:21   sometimes when we recording the show I [TS]

00:06:22   have a real feeling of I know that a [TS]

00:06:27   much younger version of myself would [TS]

00:06:30   listen to this show right like I'm aware [TS]

00:06:33   of that as a thing that I feel like [TS]

00:06:36   particularly with the boom of podcast [TS]

00:06:38   like in the last five years [TS]

00:06:40   I feel like this this was not a thing [TS]

00:06:42   that was around particularly like when I [TS]

00:06:45   was a kid was being able to hear people [TS]

00:06:46   just kind of like talk through a bunch [TS]

00:06:48   of stuff and I know like that is [TS]

00:06:49   definitely something I would have [TS]

00:06:51   listened to when I was younger and and [TS]

00:06:55   so that's that's like that's what's [TS]

00:06:57   happening here like we've because I feel [TS]

00:06:59   like sometimes when people describe like [TS]

00:07:00   what that what the show is sometimes [TS]

00:07:02   said like oh it's a Productivity show [TS]

00:07:03   and even right from the start I've [TS]

00:07:05   always felt like that that is never it's [TS]

00:07:08   never quite sat [TS]

00:07:09   or for what this show is but I've never [TS]

00:07:12   been able to figure out a better a [TS]

00:07:15   better way to describe it quickly and [TS]

00:07:18   and we still may not have a good way to [TS]

00:07:20   describe the show quickly but I think [TS]

00:07:23   something about this idea of like this [TS]

00:07:25   open lunch conversation that is around [TS]

00:07:30   the topic of our working lives like that [TS]

00:07:33   that is a more accurate description of [TS]

00:07:35   what the show is and it's really it's [TS]

00:07:37   really like gelled something in my mind [TS]

00:07:40   about what we're doing here and it only [TS]

00:07:42   took 50 episodes to work it out so [TS]

00:07:44   that's pretty good yeah like yeah that's [TS]

00:07:46   the thing like hey listen if you're out [TS]

00:07:48   there and you're starting a podcast let [TS]

00:07:50   this be a lesson to you you may go for [TS]

00:07:52   quite a while before you feel like oh I [TS]

00:07:54   really know what I'm doing here this [TS]

00:07:56   episode of cortex is brought to you by [TS]

00:07:58   our friends over fresh books we spend so [TS]

00:08:01   much time on this show talking about [TS]

00:08:02   what it's like to work independently [TS]

00:08:04   this can be a freelancer where we run [TS]

00:08:06   your own company it doesn't matter what [TS]

00:08:07   it is you're going to have people that [TS]

00:08:09   you need to send invoices to and it's [TS]

00:08:12   what fresh books does to make your life [TS]

00:08:14   easier fresh books understand the [TS]

00:08:16   challenges of people that work [TS]

00:08:17   independently and also understand now [TS]

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00:08:21   the Internet has created opportunities [TS]

00:08:22   and jobs that could have never existed [TS]

00:08:25   before and so fresh works have designed [TS]

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00:08:30   want to make you productive and [TS]

00:08:31   organized while also letting you get [TS]

00:08:33   paid quickly you can jump into fresh [TS]

00:08:35   books and have an invoice sent out in [TS]

00:08:37   just 30 seconds you build them all in a [TS]

00:08:39   great interface and you'll see those [TS]

00:08:41   invoices exactly how your client will [TS]

00:08:43   when they arrive in their inbox and when [TS]

00:08:45   they do you'll be able to track every [TS]

00:08:46   step you'll be able to see when it's [TS]

00:08:48   opened you can even see if it's been [TS]

00:08:49   printed [TS]

00:08:50   and then you'll see when it gets paid [TS]

00:08:51   and FreshBooks customers get paid up to [TS]

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00:08:56   because they allow you to set up online [TS]

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00:09:09   time I do it fresh books makes this job [TS]

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00:09:12   I really really love and cannot [TS]

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00:09:28   to them from this show thank you so much [TS]

00:09:31   for pressure books for their support of [TS]

00:09:32   cortex and real AFM why don't we talk [TS]

00:09:35   about productivity a little bit just the [TS]

00:09:38   idea of that phrase and what it means [TS]

00:09:41   mm-hmm [TS]

00:09:42   because in the same way that people [TS]

00:09:44   refer to this shows being a Productivity [TS]

00:09:47   show I think it's it's it was useful for [TS]

00:09:50   me and you to try and explain what we [TS]

00:09:52   actually think that term even really [TS]

00:09:53   means and how it applies to us because [TS]

00:09:59   productivity I think is very frequently [TS]

00:10:03   mixed up with the term of being a [TS]

00:10:08   workaholic mm-hmm and I don't think that [TS]

00:10:12   that that works very well I've never [TS]

00:10:14   considered myself a workaholic because I [TS]

00:10:17   actually don't know if that is being [TS]

00:10:19   productive [TS]

00:10:20   you know like the idea of getting in to [TS]

00:10:24   the office a a.m. and leaving at 7:00 [TS]

00:10:27   because you're just so busy mmm that [TS]

00:10:30   never sat with me for me it was always [TS]

00:10:33   about like how can I get out of here at [TS]

00:10:35   5:00 and that was the part that was me [TS]

00:10:38   being productive who's like I need to [TS]

00:10:40   get out of this office as close to five [TS]

00:10:42   o'clock as possible how do I get from [TS]

00:10:45   here at 9:00 a.m. to there at 5:00 that [TS]

00:10:49   more activity for me yeah that was that [TS]

00:10:53   was my exact same thing when I was being [TS]

00:10:55   a teacher what was that like when the [TS]

00:10:58   when the kids go home I want to be going [TS]

00:11:01   home in like 20 minutes after that [TS]

00:11:03   happens [TS]

00:11:04   sprint and it's like I really I really [TS]

00:11:09   do like their there are some there are [TS]

00:11:14   some elements of my personality which [TS]

00:11:16   obviously like you just you just have [TS]

00:11:18   like they've just been with me for [TS]

00:11:19   forever but I think that that part of [TS]

00:11:21   being in the working world really honed [TS]

00:11:25   for me like an informed a particular [TS]

00:11:28   idea of of like how I think about a lot [TS]

00:11:33   of things related to work it's like what [TS]

00:11:34   I'm looking for here is maximum [TS]

00:11:36   effectiveness in minimum amount of time [TS]

00:11:40   toward a goal and the goal is to go home [TS]

00:11:43   right as fast as possible yep and yeah [TS]

00:11:46   like spent so much time thinking about [TS]

00:11:49   all of these various ways to save [TS]

00:11:52   seconds on a thing right the like that [TS]

00:11:55   would add up overall weight well that's [TS]

00:11:57   this very different question from like [TS]

00:12:02   raw output I think I don't know if I've [TS]

00:12:05   mentioned it before but one of my [TS]

00:12:05   favorite examples of trying to save time [TS]

00:12:08   was like thinking about the meta thing [TS]

00:12:11   is my least favorite part of the job was [TS]

00:12:13   writing reports for the kids which is [TS]

00:12:15   the whole like long complicated thing [TS]

00:12:16   and there's there was so many things I [TS]

00:12:20   did to try to streamline this process [TS]

00:12:21   but the best bang for the buck ever was [TS]

00:12:24   I had to sign every one of these [TS]

00:12:26   profiles for the kids and I thought one [TS]

00:12:30   day pull anybody notice and or care if [TS]

00:12:33   when I print them off of the printer I [TS]

00:12:34   just put my signature directly on there [TS]

00:12:37   so it's just printed off the pot a [TS]

00:12:39   template yeah on a template and I played [TS]

00:12:41   around with it a little bit so that the [TS]

00:12:43   the signature printing ink looked as [TS]

00:12:47   real as I could make a signature look by [TS]

00:12:50   also lightening the whole rest of the [TS]

00:12:51   document so it looks like I'm signing [TS]

00:12:52   with a slightly darker pen that it's [TS]

00:12:54   being printed right it's like yeah you [TS]

00:12:56   laughs right but it matters because what [TS]

00:12:58   am I doing here like I'm trying to see [TS]

00:13:00   if anyone will care about this thing [TS]

00:13:02   which doesn't make any difference right [TS]

00:13:04   like is the profile any better if I [TS]

00:13:05   personally sign it no because I've been [TS]

00:13:07   working like I'm working on this thing [TS]

00:13:09   anyway and that what that was the thing [TS]

00:13:12   I did and his like man I don't know how [TS]

00:13:14   many hours of time that saved me but the [TS]

00:13:16   answer was [TS]

00:13:17   lot where like things would come back [TS]

00:13:19   like oh you haven't signed this or I [TS]

00:13:20   don't have to sit down and do it that to [TS]

00:13:23   me is like a pure example of a [TS]

00:13:24   Productivity win it's like doesn't [TS]

00:13:26   affect the output at all and decreases [TS]

00:13:29   the amount that I have to do to actually [TS]

00:13:31   get this thing done so when I was [TS]

00:13:33   managing a bank branch I had to sign [TS]

00:13:36   probably more things than you write [TS]

00:13:37   because I'm gonna guess I don't know if [TS]

00:13:40   you know but basically the but the [TS]

00:13:42   branch manager basically puts their [TS]

00:13:43   signature on everything right your a [TS]

00:13:45   signature machine isn't yet they've [TS]

00:13:47   actually hired so I changed my signature [TS]

00:13:50   oh yeah yeah so I just made it this like [TS]

00:13:54   little squiggle as opposed to anything [TS]

00:13:56   that would even slightly resemble my [TS]

00:13:58   name because I was unhappy with the [TS]

00:14:00   amount of time that it would take for me [TS]

00:14:02   to sign everything your kids that is [TS]

00:14:04   productivity right there yeah that is [TS]

00:14:06   what we think for activity is and you [TS]

00:14:09   will not be surprised to hear that I did [TS]

00:14:10   the exact same thing upon becoming a [TS]

00:14:12   teacher very very quickly realized that [TS]

00:14:15   writing out GRE why in a legible way is [TS]

00:14:18   not worth my time septa ball yeah and my [TS]

00:14:20   signature became a recognizable G with a [TS]

00:14:23   line that dipped briefly to like vaguely [TS]

00:14:26   indicate that maybe there's a why here [TS]

00:14:27   and then continued onward and it's like [TS]

00:14:29   yep that's it good enough it's [TS]

00:14:31   identifiable enough when we need to go [TS]

00:14:33   through the paperwork so we know who [TS]

00:14:34   signed what but it's like the minimum [TS]

00:14:36   amount of time I can possibly take is [TS]

00:14:38   like I'm not Precious about my signature [TS]

00:14:40   like the hell with you do you have a [TS]

00:14:43   different signature when you sign [TS]

00:14:44   autographs uh you might not well answer [TS]

00:14:49   that question I don't know [TS]

00:14:50   well the okay so the tricky thing with [TS]

00:14:52   the autographs is I feel I feel [TS]

00:14:54   compelled to include my initials when I [TS]

00:14:56   do the autograph yeah yeah right so it [TS]

00:14:58   it takes long but the the the gray is [TS]

00:15:01   very similar to my teacher signature is [TS]

00:15:04   perhaps a little less stylized because I [TS]

00:15:07   feel I feel like there's there's there's [TS]

00:15:10   a moment of there's a moment of [TS]

00:15:13   importance like when someone has asked [TS]

00:15:14   you to sign a thing like that's a moment [TS]

00:15:16   think about a time on that [TS]

00:15:17   yeah and it's it's it's like a it's also [TS]

00:15:19   like a strange amount of pressure and so [TS]

00:15:22   well I just I just pay more attention [TS]

00:15:25   right where's what I had to sign stuff [TS]

00:15:27   professionally it's like yeah whatever [TS]

00:15:29   like you just need an indication the [TS]

00:15:31   this piece of paper it doesn't need to [TS]

00:15:33   actually look good because I feel like [TS]

00:15:34   signing a thing is a slightly different [TS]

00:15:36   domain area that it has to this look [TS]

00:15:40   better so me and you talking about work [TS]

00:15:44   is not necessarily the same as talking [TS]

00:15:46   about productivity and it's one of the [TS]

00:15:49   reasons that every now and then we talk [TS]

00:15:51   about video games because the [TS]

00:15:54   productivity enables the video games [TS]

00:15:57   right yeah it's the whole thing it's the [TS]

00:16:00   whole piece yeah it's it's like just [TS]

00:16:02   like just like you were saying that you [TS]

00:16:04   want to get at five I wanted to leave as [TS]

00:16:06   soon after the children leave as [TS]

00:16:08   possible it's like the thing the thing [TS]

00:16:11   that has carried through from that is is [TS]

00:16:14   this idea that the work is in service of [TS]

00:16:18   some other goal and my feeling has [TS]

00:16:21   always been like the goal that I am [TS]

00:16:23   aiming for is to build a life that I [TS]

00:16:27   want to live and a life that I want to [TS]

00:16:30   live is is not the same thing as [TS]

00:16:34   producing the maximum number of videos [TS]

00:16:38   that is possible like these things are [TS]

00:16:41   in these things are in conflict it's [TS]

00:16:43   like I want to make videos but I feel [TS]

00:16:46   like all of all of my thoughts around [TS]

00:16:48   work and gradations and the tools we [TS]

00:16:51   talked about and everything we've ever [TS]

00:16:52   done is is a question about effectively [TS]

00:16:56   making videos in a sustainable way in [TS]

00:17:00   the long term and and that's not the [TS]

00:17:04   same thing necessarily as being [TS]

00:17:08   productive in the way that you talk [TS]

00:17:09   about like an economy is productive [TS]

00:17:11   which means like every year the amount [TS]

00:17:13   of copper forged goes up like that's a [TS]

00:17:17   that's a very different way I do think [TS]

00:17:19   it's interesting that people sometimes [TS]

00:17:20   conflate these things and I feel like [TS]

00:17:23   it's it's an interesting thing that is [TS]

00:17:25   sometimes hard hard to can convey is [TS]

00:17:28   this is this idea of like yes I'm very [TS]

00:17:31   concerned with the effectiveness of work [TS]

00:17:35   but that question is not necessarily [TS]

00:17:37   related to the volume of work when you [TS]

00:17:42   see me talking about video games [TS]

00:17:44   you can feel very assured that I have [TS]

00:17:47   been productive right and I feel like [TS]

00:17:51   that statement it could be could be [TS]

00:17:53   written with either our names underneath [TS]

00:17:55   it because it's like if I am able to do [TS]

00:17:58   this it means I've taken care of the [TS]

00:18:00   rest [TS]

00:18:00   mmm and and it is like that the [TS]

00:18:03   productivity the idea of getting the [TS]

00:18:05   work done what that is like it is in [TS]

00:18:07   service of that [TS]

00:18:08   mm-hm and it's the that's what year of [TS]

00:18:10   less was mmm and it's what you know I [TS]

00:18:14   I'm six months into my year of less and [TS]

00:18:17   haven't really paid much attention to it [TS]

00:18:18   I was gonna ask about how that was going [TS]

00:18:21   but I am again it popped up in my head [TS]

00:18:24   the other day because I realized that I [TS]

00:18:27   have a much smaller appetite for being a [TS]

00:18:33   part of new projects hmm like relay FM [TS]

00:18:38   can be and is but my involvement my like [TS]

00:18:44   day-to-day direct involvement ie as a [TS]

00:18:48   host who that appetite is going down [TS]

00:18:50   over time so you're talking about your [TS]

00:18:54   desire to do new shows yes mm-hmm [TS]

00:18:57   my problem is my appetite for new ideas [TS]

00:19:08   can never be filled and so I have been [TS]

00:19:12   paying attention to this and doing a [TS]

00:19:15   couple of different things one is I'm [TS]

00:19:19   trying my best to not start new things [TS]

00:19:23   mm-hmm right they're like things pop up [TS]

00:19:26   in my head opportunities come my way and [TS]

00:19:28   I think about them a lot more deeply [TS]

00:19:31   than I would have in the past like and [TS]

00:19:34   if something doesn't feel like a [TS]

00:19:36   complete no-brainer then I I spend more [TS]

00:19:39   time thinking about it like I have spent [TS]

00:19:42   too much time in my career over the last [TS]

00:19:46   seven years of allowing myself to [TS]

00:19:52   completely taken by a whim Lu and some [TS]

00:19:57   of those things have turned out to be [TS]

00:19:58   great and some of them haven't been and [TS]

00:20:01   I need to do a better job and I am doing [TS]

00:20:05   a better job of trying to quantify these [TS]

00:20:06   decisions of a scale that is better than [TS]

00:20:09   just excitement level mm-hmm [TS]

00:20:11   because what I am trying to avoid is an [TS]

00:20:14   inevitable burnout yeah and then a [TS]

00:20:17   slashing of projects because I enjoy all [TS]

00:20:20   of my current projects that's why I do [TS]

00:20:22   them but if I add much more on top of [TS]

00:20:25   that that's going to be a problem so one [TS]

00:20:29   of the other things that I've done to [TS]

00:20:30   prepare myself for this is what I've [TS]

00:20:31   been speaking about for months is that [TS]

00:20:33   getting help [TS]

00:20:33   hmm you know having an assistant now who [TS]

00:20:36   helps me has been a great way to help [TS]

00:20:42   with this because what I'm doing is [TS]

00:20:45   staving off the Burnell with my current [TS]

00:20:47   project level right that's what I've [TS]

00:20:49   done I've secured that so all the stuff [TS]

00:20:52   that I'm currently doing I now feel less [TS]

00:20:55   pressure than I did maybe three or four [TS]

00:20:57   months ago about my current workload [TS]

00:21:00   this is exactly the thing that I was [TS]

00:21:02   going through last year with year of [TS]

00:21:04   less right like is is this exact thing a [TS]

00:21:06   feeling like needing to have more [TS]

00:21:12   specific reasons to pick up a side [TS]

00:21:15   project for example right or needing to [TS]

00:21:19   be able to to take parts of the job and [TS]

00:21:24   try to hand them to somebody else like [TS]

00:21:27   in I want to say before about this idea [TS]

00:21:29   like trying to build a life that you [TS]

00:21:31   want to live like I find it I find it [TS]

00:21:35   really effective when thinking about my [TS]

00:21:37   working life and this has always been [TS]

00:21:39   the case right from the start is the [TS]

00:21:41   most effective thing is to try to [TS]

00:21:42   eliminate or reduce the thing that you [TS]

00:21:44   dislike as opposed to what is often the [TS]

00:21:48   more compelling part which is to add a [TS]

00:21:53   new more exciting thing right and and I [TS]

00:21:57   and I have found that that that is [TS]

00:21:59   definitely held true for me that's like [TS]

00:22:01   time is better invested [TS]

00:22:03   recognising and eliminating or [TS]

00:22:07   outsourcing parts of the business that I [TS]

00:22:11   don't like or that are causing me stress [TS]

00:22:12   like that that is way better for [TS]

00:22:14   building a life that I want to live then [TS]

00:22:17   adding a new thing that I'm super [TS]

00:22:20   excited about like I think excitement is [TS]

00:22:23   almost against it's good it's good to [TS]

00:22:26   have about a project but I think at a [TS]

00:22:29   certain point when you you have a bunch [TS]

00:22:32   of things that are successful it can [TS]

00:22:36   quickly become a kind of I don't know [TS]

00:22:40   like a red herring that you're always [TS]

00:22:41   chasing is like excitement alone at a [TS]

00:22:44   certain point does not become enough to [TS]

00:22:47   justify working on a thing when you're [TS]

00:22:50   already working on a whole bunch of [TS]

00:22:52   things like you have to start thinking [TS]

00:22:54   about stuff in a in a much more ruthless [TS]

00:22:56   way I actually have a related I'll score [TS]

00:22:59   text question so jason wrote in about [TS]

00:23:01   side projects to say do they get really [TS]

00:23:04   bored or distracted and find themselves [TS]

00:23:07   moving on to something new [TS]

00:23:08   very constantly before finishing current [TS]

00:23:11   projects leaving behind like a trail of [TS]

00:23:14   unfinished things mm-hm [TS]

00:23:15   so Jason asks do you have any tips for [TS]

00:23:17   getting over the slump that comes after [TS]

00:23:19   the initial excitement now the reason I [TS]

00:23:22   find these two things to be connected is [TS]

00:23:24   in just what you were saying right [TS]

00:23:27   like that it's way too easy to be [TS]

00:23:31   attracted by that bright light that new [TS]

00:23:34   shiny thing and go to it this is [TS]

00:23:37   something that I have been doing over [TS]

00:23:38   the last six months or so you wanted one [TS]

00:23:42   of the things that I've been thinking [TS]

00:23:43   about with my balance is to find [TS]

00:23:47   excitement in existing projects so to [TS]

00:23:51   like manufacture for myself new things [TS]

00:23:55   to do and to find things within those [TS]

00:23:59   projects to make exciting to find new [TS]

00:24:04   experiences or new ways of thinking [TS]

00:24:06   about something that I'm currently doing [TS]

00:24:07   or shaking something up like I have been [TS]

00:24:10   a real proponent of the stuff that I've [TS]

00:24:13   done in my podcasting career [TS]

00:24:16   of rebranding shows and repackaging [TS]

00:24:18   shows if I have gotten tired of a show [TS]

00:24:22   format to like shake it up give it a new [TS]

00:24:24   name give it a new coat of paint and [TS]

00:24:27   give myself the ability to kind of jump [TS]

00:24:30   in and reboot it before it gets to say [TS]

00:24:35   me for me mm-hmm [TS]

00:24:36   so like I have in the past like I used [TS]

00:24:39   to do this interview show every week [TS]

00:24:40   right I think it had four different [TS]

00:24:42   names over it's like three or four year [TS]

00:24:44   career because it was like a way for me [TS]

00:24:47   to give something a kickstart again and [TS]

00:24:50   to kind of push forward right and and so [TS]

00:24:55   I it's really difficult to find these [TS]

00:24:58   things but it's just something that I've [TS]

00:25:00   been trying to pay more and more [TS]

00:25:03   attention to to like take the projects [TS]

00:25:05   that work really well and add new stuff [TS]

00:25:07   to it as a way to try and keep me [TS]

00:25:10   interested in and invested yeah when we [TS]

00:25:12   related to the the other part of the [TS]

00:25:14   question about you know how do you how [TS]

00:25:18   do you not have a graveyard of on [TS]

00:25:20   unfinished things as I well we all have [TS]

00:25:23   graveyards of unfinished things like I [TS]

00:25:25   have I have a graveyard of unfinished [TS]

00:25:27   things the vast Josie's bigger than most [TS]

00:25:29   right vast vast Arlington Cemetery of [TS]

00:25:34   unfinished things it's it's enormous but [TS]

00:25:37   but one of the things I measure is [TS]

00:25:41   thinking about you know changes that I [TS]

00:25:43   made last year about being more ruthless [TS]

00:25:45   with the kind of projects that I take on [TS]

00:25:47   and what I feel really good about is in [TS]

00:25:50   the last you know since starting the [TS]

00:25:53   year of less I have gotten way better at [TS]

00:25:56   what ends up in that graveyard like I [TS]

00:26:00   feel better about those projects as [TS]

00:26:02   opposed to taking on a bunch of stuff [TS]

00:26:04   that's even if it worked out would have [TS]

00:26:11   just continued to add to my workflow so [TS]

00:26:13   I think one of the biggest things that [TS]

00:26:16   has made it made a huge difference for [TS]

00:26:18   me is is like thinking about new [TS]

00:26:19   projects they have they have to be in [TS]

00:26:22   the category of things that can be [TS]

00:26:24   completed so that they are finished at a [TS]

00:26:27   particular date [TS]

00:26:29   things that can be handed off largely to [TS]

00:26:33   some but somebody else or things that [TS]

00:26:36   add an extremely minimal amount of work [TS]

00:26:40   for a very good payoff and it's like [TS]

00:26:44   when I look at my graveyard of [TS]

00:26:46   unfinished things those projects are [TS]

00:26:49   much more in in that domain than they [TS]

00:26:53   are like oh let me start up a whole [TS]

00:26:54   brand new thing which would give me a [TS]

00:26:55   whole brand new job to do if it turns [TS]

00:26:57   out to be successful so there is a way [TS]

00:27:01   to think about the quality of the things [TS]

00:27:03   going into the graveyard not just the [TS]

00:27:05   number of tombstones that are there it's [TS]

00:27:07   like what is buried matters as opposed [TS]

00:27:10   to just the fact that a thing was buried [TS]

00:27:12   happened I think it's crazy to try to [TS]

00:27:15   avoid to avoid that like and there's [TS]

00:27:18   also there's also the side effect of [TS]

00:27:19   like you just don't know where things [TS]

00:27:21   are going to go sometimes and thinking [TS]

00:27:24   about my my current year right here of [TS]

00:27:27   redirection like I am really happy with [TS]

00:27:31   a bunch of the decisions that I have [TS]

00:27:32   made about how to how to run my business [TS]

00:27:34   this year have directly led to having a [TS]

00:27:39   bunch of free time to be able to noodle [TS]

00:27:43   around with projects that may or may not [TS]

00:27:44   turn into anything but I feel like I [TS]

00:27:47   have a better ability to dedicate a [TS]

00:27:51   bunch of time to a thing that seems [TS]

00:27:52   interesting even if I'm not exactly sure [TS]

00:27:55   where it's going to go and and to just [TS]

00:27:58   evaluate it a little bit before thinking [TS]

00:28:01   about it really seriously so it's it's [TS]

00:28:04   it's a it's a hard it's a hard thing to [TS]

00:28:06   to answer but I do think the graveyard [TS]

00:28:09   of unfinished things is is important to [TS]

00:28:12   keep growing you just need to be mindful [TS]

00:28:17   about how it is growing like what kinds [TS]

00:28:20   of things are going in there like are [TS]

00:28:22   things going in there that like let's be [TS]

00:28:24   honest you were never really going to do [TS]

00:28:25   are like oh like that that Mandarin [TS]

00:28:28   course right you got Rosetta Mandarin [TS]

00:28:30   and you were going to learn that like [TS]

00:28:31   was that really going to happen probably [TS]

00:28:33   not like that doesn't seem like a good [TS]

00:28:35   project so how much value you extracting [TS]

00:28:39   from live streaming your truck [TS]

00:28:43   because you know you talk about minimal [TS]

00:28:45   work I know you spent a significant [TS]

00:28:48   amount of time attempting to [TS]

00:28:50   troubleshoot that thing okay okay all [TS]

00:28:53   right is it I think I think this is [TS]

00:28:54   actually mean right no no you're not [TS]

00:28:57   being me you're not be mean I think this [TS]

00:28:58   is this is a great example because like [TS]

00:29:01   let me take a moment to explain [TS]

00:29:02   something that is probably not obvious [TS]

00:29:06   to the people who are watching the [TS]

00:29:07   streaming so the streaming that has been [TS]

00:29:13   happening in the last couple of weeks is [TS]

00:29:15   totally 100% an example of me changing [TS]

00:29:20   things to have more free time to be able [TS]

00:29:22   to dump a bunch of time in a very narrow [TS]

00:29:25   window into a single project which is [TS]

00:29:30   like I'm gonna figure out how to stream [TS]

00:29:33   right which turned out to be more of a [TS]

00:29:36   technical challenge tonight than I [TS]

00:29:37   expected it would be right but the whole [TS]

00:29:40   way this started is like I can actually [TS]

00:29:43   point I can actually point to the exact [TS]

00:29:45   video which is Hank green of vlog [TS]

00:29:50   brothers and VidCon and crash course and [TS]

00:29:53   a million things very productive ma'am [TS]

00:29:55   yeah he's like the Richard Branson of [TS]

00:29:58   the Internet's he just can't stop [TS]

00:30:00   creating new things Hank did have a [TS]

00:30:04   video on his on his personal Channel [TS]

00:30:06   Hanks channel where he was just going [TS]

00:30:08   through some of the statistics for the [TS]

00:30:12   YouTube channels that he runs they were [TS]

00:30:13   just like talking talking through this [TS]

00:30:15   and I thought like oh this is this is [TS]

00:30:16   exactly the kind of thing I'm really [TS]

00:30:17   interested in to see a little bit of the [TS]

00:30:19   data behind somebody else's business and [TS]

00:30:20   I went to go watch it and the thing that [TS]

00:30:25   kicked off my whole streaming was [TS]

00:30:26   watching him in the very first few [TS]

00:30:29   minutes just simply setting up what he [TS]

00:30:32   was going to do was a live stream [TS]

00:30:33   because he didn't pre record that video [TS]

00:30:35   he was just going to go through it live [TS]

00:30:37   and like take questions from people in [TS]

00:30:38   the comments and talk about some stuff [TS]

00:30:40   and as dumb as this ask is like okay so [TS]

00:30:42   I am a person who is not watch streams [TS]

00:30:44   I'm not really into streaming I feel [TS]

00:30:46   like I never really got it but I was [TS]

00:30:48   watching him do the pre setup and [TS]

00:30:51   something about that suddenly clicked [TS]

00:30:53   where I could see before the show [TS]

00:30:55   was quote ready he was obviously using [TS]

00:30:58   some kind of software to arrange all the [TS]

00:31:01   windows just the way he wanted to put a [TS]

00:31:03   little overlay on it so that it looked [TS]

00:31:04   nice and it's the simplest thing in the [TS]

00:31:06   world but it was a thing that suddenly [TS]

00:31:09   clicked in my head of like ah okay I had [TS]

00:31:12   somehow always thought that streaming [TS]

00:31:13   was simply recording the computer screen [TS]

00:31:16   as you're looking at it which always [TS]

00:31:18   seemed like a huge hassle from my [TS]

00:31:19   perspective but seeing that like oh [TS]

00:31:21   there's a tool to set this up what I [TS]

00:31:25   found about that was like I I don't know [TS]

00:31:29   when I don't know where I don't know how [TS]

00:31:32   but something about this feels like a [TS]

00:31:35   skill that I should add to my repertoire [TS]

00:31:38   of things that I can do on the Internet [TS]

00:31:41   and this is like I feel like my whole [TS]

00:31:46   career is based on trusting some [TS]

00:31:50   instincts in my brain like recognizing a [TS]

00:31:53   certain kind of interest and and this [TS]

00:31:55   was definitely one of those things of [TS]

00:31:57   realizing like I don't know where when [TS]

00:31:59   this might be useful but I think it [TS]

00:32:01   would be good to know how to stream so [TS]

00:32:04   that if I ever want to do it I don't [TS]

00:32:07   have to at that moment invest several [TS]

00:32:10   days in messing around with the software [TS]

00:32:12   and figuring out how to make everything [TS]

00:32:13   look right and getting it all done and [TS]

00:32:15   so the truck streaming project wall is [TS]

00:32:19   partly just fun and interesting to try [TS]

00:32:23   to do the truck streaming one of the [TS]

00:32:24   main purposes of that project is I want [TS]

00:32:29   to have another tool in my tool belt I [TS]

00:32:32   don't necessarily have a purpose for it [TS]

00:32:34   now but I have a gut feeling that maybe [TS]

00:32:37   at some point I will want to know how to [TS]

00:32:40   do this and and be able to do it [TS]

00:32:42   immediately and I'm like I'm investing [TS]

00:32:45   that time now this is so funny to me why [TS]

00:32:48   because what you had watching Hank is [TS]

00:32:52   what I have watching you so when I saw [TS]

00:32:55   you doing it I'm realized like you were [TS]

00:32:59   talking about the tools that you were [TS]

00:33:00   using mm-hmm [TS]

00:33:02   I then realized oh this isn't what I [TS]

00:33:04   thought it was right I could do that [TS]

00:33:07   look that's how [TS]

00:33:09   Arius I cut that's so funny cuz like I [TS]

00:33:11   it's been in my head I can't get out of [TS]

00:33:13   my head like I keep I keep looking at [TS]

00:33:15   these like streaming boxes and stuff [TS]

00:33:17   and I just want to show everybody how I [TS]

00:33:20   play Zelda right but this is this is a [TS]

00:33:23   perfect example of you know last year [TS]

00:33:26   gray wouldn't really have had the time [TS]

00:33:28   to guilt free just do this at like and I [TS]

00:33:33   know I'm always mentioning side projects [TS]

00:33:34   like there's a bunch of stuff that [TS]

00:33:35   people just don't see like this is two [TS]

00:33:38   of the things I'm working on which like [TS]

00:33:39   people just don't see but this is an [TS]

00:33:41   example of a thing that people can see [TS]

00:33:43   but I just don't think it's I think a [TS]

00:33:46   lot of people watching it aren't aware [TS]

00:33:48   of like what is what is it that I'm [TS]

00:33:50   doing here and and this is what I'm [TS]

00:33:52   doing I'm intentionally trying to add a [TS]

00:33:54   skill to the list of things that I can [TS]

00:33:57   do on the Internet okay and as as a [TS]

00:34:00   self-employed person who like cobbles [TS]

00:34:02   together a bunch of skills to to make it [TS]

00:34:05   work together in a productive way like [TS]

00:34:07   this just seems to me like a skill that [TS]

00:34:09   I should definitely have ready to go [TS]

00:34:13   even if I'm not using it intensely at [TS]

00:34:17   any particular moment I think anybody [TS]

00:34:19   that is self employed should or does [TS]

00:34:22   have this about them especially if you [TS]

00:34:25   work in a creative space because at any [TS]

00:34:30   point the thing that you do could go [TS]

00:34:33   away yeah and having a vast skill set [TS]

00:34:38   which you can apply to other things is [TS]

00:34:40   very important it is the reason that I [TS]

00:34:42   started making YouTube videos yeah but [TS]

00:34:45   yeah that's it that's exactly that's a [TS]

00:34:46   great comparison right as you just you [TS]

00:34:49   want to be aware of other things and the [TS]

00:34:53   other thing as well as like aside from [TS]

00:34:54   just trying to figure out technically [TS]

00:34:56   how to do a thing there was a real part [TS]

00:34:59   of my brain which just felt like I don't [TS]

00:35:01   understand streaming on the Internet as [TS]

00:35:05   in I don't really understand why people [TS]

00:35:07   watch streams I don't understand really [TS]

00:35:09   what's going on on the streams it's just [TS]

00:35:11   is it was just outside of my domain of [TS]

00:35:14   expertise but I also think like this [TS]

00:35:17   this is an important meta skill to [TS]

00:35:20   cultivate is [TS]

00:35:22   curiosity over dismissal right it's it's [TS]

00:35:25   really easy to dismiss things as like oh [TS]

00:35:31   whatever those people are doing like [TS]

00:35:32   they're watching people play video games [TS]

00:35:34   live like isn't that dumb alright [TS]

00:35:36   because like is it dumb or do you just [TS]

00:35:38   not understand what they're doing and [TS]

00:35:40   and I feel like that was also part of [TS]

00:35:43   this processes like I want to have an [TS]

00:35:45   intuitive understanding of what this is [TS]

00:35:48   and I think I have a much better [TS]

00:35:50   understanding of it now than I did [TS]

00:35:51   before I started it's very difficult to [TS]

00:35:54   articulate I feel in this in the same [TS]

00:35:57   way that like I've always said like with [TS]

00:35:59   teacher training there's just so much [TS]

00:36:01   stuff you just have to do in a classroom [TS]

00:36:02   like the no amount of learning ahead of [TS]

00:36:05   time will actually prepare you for it [TS]

00:36:06   like you just have to be in charge of a [TS]

00:36:08   bunch of kids before you really get what [TS]

00:36:10   teachers mean when they say like [TS]

00:36:12   consistency is really important it's [TS]

00:36:13   like you but you don't understand until [TS]

00:36:14   you're there and I feel like there was [TS]

00:36:16   something similar about that with the [TS]

00:36:18   streaming like I don't feel like I get [TS]

00:36:19   it 100% yet but I feel like um 75% of [TS]

00:36:24   the way there but it's very difficult to [TS]

00:36:25   articulate because it's just a thing [TS]

00:36:27   that you have to do and and that is [TS]

00:36:31   what's going on in in this side project [TS]

00:36:34   of mine is skill acquisition and feeding [TS]

00:36:39   curiosity about new things that are [TS]

00:36:42   coming along instead of just ignoring [TS]

00:36:44   them potentially to the detriment of my [TS]

00:36:47   business in the future [TS]

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00:37:12   they're the place to go you can't make [TS]

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00:37:57   this show the people have spoken gray I [TS]

00:38:00   don't think it's legitimate Mike because [TS]

00:38:02   you riled them up it doesn't matter they [TS]

00:38:04   they needed to know first and once I let [TS]

00:38:09   them know they felt the need to request [TS]

00:38:11   in droves in waves of cortex listeners [TS]

00:38:16   want to know why you left the iPhone se [TS]

00:38:20   and went back to the iPhone 7 I just [TS]

00:38:24   want to again get it on record here that [TS]

00:38:25   I feel like you fomented a mob right [TS]

00:38:27   that's that's what you did last time I [TS]

00:38:28   think that it's really unfair for you to [TS]

00:38:31   refer to our listeners that way to turn [TS]

00:38:34   this around all I'm doing I'm just [TS]

00:38:37   trying to provide them with some [TS]

00:38:39   information to let them choose you know [TS]

00:38:42   we didn't hear from anyone that [TS]

00:38:44   specifically said they didn't want to [TS]

00:38:45   hear about this yeah yeah yeah that's [TS]

00:38:47   right [TS]

00:38:48   cuz that's who that's who you hear tons [TS]

00:38:49   from is the people who don't want to [TS]

00:38:51   hear about a thing if they really don't [TS]

00:38:53   want to know tell you you know that's [TS]

00:38:55   enough they don't you never you never [TS]

00:38:57   get the people who say no if I feel like [TS]

00:38:59   the silent majority they're not being [TS]

00:39:01   represented here but I know Mike I feel [TS]

00:39:04   like um I feel so hesitant to tell the [TS]

00:39:09   story because I feel like it's a tale of [TS]

00:39:10   woe right a tale of woe and there have [TS]

00:39:13   been many tales of woe about Apple stuff [TS]

00:39:16   that is probably why I just I sort of [TS]

00:39:17   haven't wanted to talk about it so I [TS]

00:39:20   don't I don't know where to begin how [TS]

00:39:23   long ago did you move away from the [TS]

00:39:26   iPhone se uh okay so it was it was [TS]

00:39:31   actually like days before you spotted me [TS]

00:39:36   using the iPhone 7 cult you know okay if [TS]

00:39:40   you want to use the word caught if you [TS]

00:39:42   want to frame this in a particular way [TS]

00:39:43   you go right ahead [TS]

00:39:45   well all I remember is the look on your [TS]

00:39:47   face when I asked you what that was [TS]

00:39:49   and you just looked at me and you said [TS]

00:39:52   you didn't want to talk about it in your [TS]

00:39:54   pocket no no don't you don't you jealous [TS]

00:39:57   I'm all teary that is and then we didn't [TS]

00:40:00   see you again for the rest of the [TS]

00:40:02   weekend no just to be clear [TS]

00:40:03   Mike is full of lies and nothing [TS]

00:40:05   happened at the Google conference there [TS]

00:40:06   what actually happened is I was just [TS]

00:40:08   using it in front of him [TS]

00:40:09   and he asked me about it I was like I [TS]

00:40:11   don't want to get into it now and then [TS]

00:40:14   whatever this is [TS]

00:40:14   six months later I still have to get [TS]

00:40:17   into it I just want to let our listeners [TS]

00:40:19   know that this has been something that I [TS]

00:40:21   have been trying to get great to talk [TS]

00:40:22   about for six months now every now and [TS]

00:40:26   then it's just sat in our show document [TS]

00:40:28   and I move it in and then gray adds a [TS]

00:40:30   little line that says I'm not ready to [TS]

00:40:32   talk about this yet but clearly some [TS]

00:40:35   timers heal all wounds well no I mean [TS]

00:40:40   mostly it's just that like we're getting [TS]

00:40:42   we're getting up to new iPhone season so [TS]

00:40:43   if we don't talk about it like we'll [TS]

00:40:45   have wasted a topic right that's that's [TS]

00:40:47   what's that's what's happened also [TS]

00:40:48   there'll be like a confusion gap when [TS]

00:40:51   you talk about moving from one phone to [TS]

00:40:52   the other yeah yeah there'll be a [TS]

00:40:54   confusion gap okay so I guess I guess [TS]

00:41:01   the place to start is like what did i do [TS]

00:41:02   what did I do [TS]

00:41:03   what was my initial reasoning here right [TS]

00:41:05   is this is partly connected to what I [TS]

00:41:10   was thinking about four-year of [TS]

00:41:12   redirection [TS]

00:41:13   which now I can't even remember what the [TS]

00:41:14   hell the original idea what I was gonna [TS]

00:41:16   call it was your new I think maybe we [TS]

00:41:18   thought what was seems like you yeah [TS]

00:41:19   which was get the wrong name in every [TS]

00:41:21   sense yeah the exact opposite of what I [TS]

00:41:23   was actually intending to do you may [TS]

00:41:25   also call a year of more yeah yeah [TS]

00:41:28   exactly you're more by which I will [TS]

00:41:30   actually be doing less I mean more or [TS]

00:41:31   less right yeah in the year of less what [TS]

00:41:34   did I do more I did more more than I've [TS]

00:41:36   ever done like but you have to [TS]

00:41:38   understand the way I mean these words [TS]

00:41:39   people uh but so anyway looking forward [TS]

00:41:43   to what I was thinking about doing [TS]

00:41:45   towards the end of 2016 and throughout [TS]

00:41:48   2017 one of the things that was on my [TS]

00:41:52   list was more traveling in a bunch of [TS]

00:41:57   different ways more more traveling both [TS]

00:41:59   for personal reasons and more traveling [TS]

00:42:01   for business [TS]

00:42:02   reasons and that is definitely something [TS]

00:42:05   that has happened as I anticipated like [TS]

00:42:09   I've been on way more flights in the [TS]

00:42:11   last six to eight months then I've been [TS]

00:42:14   on in the past many years in the last [TS]

00:42:17   six months maybe in the last year I have [TS]

00:42:20   seen you more overseas than in London I [TS]

00:42:24   said yeah you know what I think you're [TS]

00:42:26   right yeah I think I think you are [TS]

00:42:28   totally right about that yeah I do not [TS]

00:42:32   think that is an exaggeration um so yeah [TS]

00:42:36   I don't always mention it on on podcast [TS]

00:42:38   buts like I've done more traveling than [TS]

00:42:39   I thought I make reference to and I was [TS]

00:42:42   thinking about this and part of my like [TS]

00:42:49   one of the big things that's frustrating [TS]

00:42:51   about traveling for me is a kind of [TS]

00:42:53   range anxiety about the batteries in the [TS]

00:42:56   devices that I use I feel like so much [TS]

00:42:58   of my life is just spent around managing [TS]

00:42:59   batteries yeah and it's getting like it [TS]

00:43:03   is really getting worse like I feel like [TS]

00:43:04   I've crossed some kind of threshold [TS]

00:43:06   where there's just so many batteries to [TS]

00:43:09   worry about it drives me crazy it is by [TS]

00:43:12   far and away one of my biggest [TS]

00:43:14   complaints about technology in the [TS]

00:43:15   modern world yeah is battery management [TS]

00:43:18   and like let like laying out all my gear [TS]

00:43:21   and obsessively trying to figure out [TS]

00:43:22   what's the minimum number of wires that [TS]

00:43:24   I can take that will cover all of these [TS]

00:43:26   devices and it's it's it's frustrating [TS]

00:43:29   and it's it's yeah it's annoying and in [TS]

00:43:34   particular the device that you do not [TS]

00:43:37   want to die on you while you're [TS]

00:43:38   traveling is the phone what this does [TS]

00:43:40   the most important thing that you want [TS]

00:43:43   to keep alive and basically what I was [TS]

00:43:48   thinking of is like I wanted to try the [TS]

00:43:52   iPhone 7 with the battery pack because [TS]

00:43:57   since ever since the the iPhone the the [TS]

00:44:01   first time was the 6 of the 6s I don't [TS]

00:44:02   remember where they came out with the [TS]

00:44:04   battery pack which I think you actually [TS]

00:44:06   showed me first on this podcast someone [TS]

00:44:08   I think that was you yeah you hadn't [TS]

00:44:10   seen it yeah yeah that's what it was I [TS]

00:44:12   hadn't seen it and I was expecting [TS]

00:44:14   abject horror from [TS]

00:44:16   you but you have but you were very [TS]

00:44:17   interested in it yeah I was very [TS]

00:44:19   interested in it and I was super annoyed [TS]

00:44:21   they didn't make it for the the six plus [TS]

00:44:22   or the 6s plus whatever it was at the [TS]

00:44:24   time so ever since that came out when my [TS]

00:44:30   wife and I go traveling she uses her [TS]

00:44:32   phone with the battery pack and I've [TS]

00:44:33   always been hugely impressed by how long [TS]

00:44:36   her phone lasts even when she's doing [TS]

00:44:38   some intensive pokey hunting as we're [TS]

00:44:41   traveling around the world right it's [TS]

00:44:42   like look like you got to catch them all [TS]

00:44:44   Mike that was also mindful I think so I [TS]

00:44:48   was like I was always very interested in [TS]

00:44:49   that and I feel like I have terrible [TS]

00:44:53   luck with iPhone batteries like my [TS]

00:44:55   iPhone it just it feels like it never [TS]

00:44:57   lasts as long as it should I feel like I [TS]

00:44:59   barely use my phone and it makes it [TS]

00:45:02   through half the day and if I'm [TS]

00:45:04   traveling and I've mentioned this to you [TS]

00:45:06   in a numerous times like if I'm going to [TS]

00:45:08   Amsterdam right or if I'm flying I swear [TS]

00:45:10   to god it's like the battery just drops [TS]

00:45:12   like a rock I feel like I'm not touching [TS]

00:45:13   you like I put you in low-power mode [TS]

00:45:15   straight away I've just left you in my [TS]

00:45:17   pocket like I'm specifically not [TS]

00:45:19   touching you phone and it's like it just [TS]

00:45:21   just drops the battery just dropped so [TS]

00:45:23   fast it's a huge frustration I have a [TS]

00:45:26   suspicion that it's related to low [TS]

00:45:28   signal but that's what the phone that's [TS]

00:45:30   what's causing the problem is there's [TS]

00:45:31   lots of situation with the signal is low [TS]

00:45:32   in the battery just drops yeah that that [TS]

00:45:34   is like the most surefire way to destroy [TS]

00:45:36   a phone battery is when it's searching [TS]

00:45:39   for a network yeah like I'm sitting on a [TS]

00:45:41   train and I can feel it warm in my [TS]

00:45:42   pocket and it's like what are you doing [TS]

00:45:44   phone is like oh you're you're switching [TS]

00:45:45   cell carriers every every five minutes [TS]

00:45:48   yep [TS]

00:45:48   you know it's like just even around [TS]

00:45:49   London like even just today I had a like [TS]

00:45:52   a very normal morning where I barely [TS]

00:45:54   used the phone and I got home at noon [TS]

00:45:56   and the battery was down to 50% as like [TS]

00:45:58   oh right but I spent some time in some [TS]

00:45:59   low signal areas like it's just an [TS]

00:46:01   endless frustration and it's [TS]

00:46:03   particularly bad on traveling so I [TS]

00:46:04   thought you know what I'm gonna do I'm [TS]

00:46:05   gonna try to use the iPhone 7 with the [TS]

00:46:08   battery pack because if I'm if I'm [TS]

00:46:11   traveling a bunch this is really [TS]

00:46:14   important to me to not lose the battery [TS]

00:46:17   this doesn't feel like enough well let [TS]

00:46:19   me just like the thing I've been [TS]

00:46:20   interested to see is like because I've [TS]

00:46:22   been going to some conferences I'm aware [TS]

00:46:25   of like how much more the phone really [TS]

00:46:29   matters a conference [TS]

00:46:29   in ways that I wouldn't have expected [TS]

00:46:31   like it's interesting just to go now [TS]

00:46:34   you're totally right is is this enough [TS]

00:46:36   there's a few other things that have [TS]

00:46:37   happened one of the primary things [TS]

00:46:38   that's happened which I really don't [TS]

00:46:40   want to get into it like I feel like [TS]

00:46:41   there's so many stories here but like I [TS]

00:46:42   just don't want to get into all of them [TS]

00:46:44   so we're going to try to move past some [TS]

00:46:45   things but one of them is one of the big [TS]

00:46:48   reasons why I moved down to the iPhone [TS]

00:46:50   se was also if you remember I had taken [TS]

00:46:53   up running around that time and running [TS]

00:46:57   with a plus-size phone is like a total [TS]

00:47:00   deal-breaker it's a it's a real pain in [TS]

00:47:02   the butt to have a plus-size phone can [TS]

00:47:04   literally be a pain in the butt it can [TS]

00:47:06   literally be a pain like I'm on my [TS]

00:47:08   running gear the only pocket like the [TS]

00:47:11   leasts are the least uncomfortable [TS]

00:47:12   pocket is like a pocket on the back and [TS]

00:47:14   then it is literally a pain in the butt [TS]

00:47:15   you can't fit with us nowhere to live no [TS]

00:47:17   there's no way to live so I switched out [TS]

00:47:20   to BSE is like a huge advantage while [TS]

00:47:21   running like enormous advantage while [TS]

00:47:23   running now and I was running three [TS]

00:47:25   times a week up again like story I don't [TS]

00:47:28   want to get into I eventually decided [TS]

00:47:30   like I had give running enough of the [TS]

00:47:31   try and realized I hate you running I [TS]

00:47:34   thought this is not for me this is no [TS]

00:47:36   story you need to explain to me there is [TS]

00:47:38   of all physical exertion running is my [TS]

00:47:43   least favorite like I hate running up a [TS]

00:47:45   passion there is I don't understand how [TS]

00:47:47   anybody enjoys it my brother just ran [TS]

00:47:50   the London Marathon oh I enjoyed it yeah [TS]

00:47:53   and I don't understand how that is a [TS]

00:47:58   thing that is possible for a human to to [TS]

00:48:02   experience I just can't I just called [TS]

00:48:04   out yeah so it's like I wanted to give [TS]

00:48:06   it a fair try I felt like I gave it a [TS]

00:48:07   fair try and could reasonably come to [TS]

00:48:10   the conclusion that like this is not for [TS]

00:48:12   me I don't like so happy cuz I really [TS]

00:48:14   was annoyed that you were running I [TS]

00:48:18   never mentioned it but I hate it why did [TS]

00:48:22   you hate it I just felt like of everyone [TS]

00:48:24   that I know you would be the person that [TS]

00:48:26   would also not like running well guess [TS]

00:48:29   what [TS]

00:48:29   you're right I'm so happy to hear this [TS]

00:48:34   so I switch running for the exercise I [TS]

00:48:37   vastly prefer which is cycling and so [TS]

00:48:41   it's like okay [TS]

00:48:42   in cycling like you're on a bike it's a [TS]

00:48:44   whole different equipment set up right [TS]

00:48:46   you have you like baskets to hold things [TS]

00:48:48   there's like you're bringing equipment [TS]

00:48:50   with you you have them like it's just a [TS]

00:48:52   totally different set up and so that [TS]

00:48:53   like cycling well you know I can't win [TS]

00:48:56   every time with you Mike but so that was [TS]

00:49:00   the case we're like the SE it didn't [TS]

00:49:02   matter so much I thought like I'm gonna [TS]

00:49:04   give I'm gonna give the seven to try and [TS]

00:49:06   what I was what I wanted to also try was [TS]

00:49:10   if I just use this with the battery pack [TS]

00:49:13   all the time right not just for [TS]

00:49:15   traveling if I just use it with the [TS]

00:49:17   battery pack can I get used to the [TS]

00:49:20   physical size that I don't like does the [TS]

00:49:23   battery pack make it big enough in my [TS]

00:49:25   hands that it's not uncomfortable to use [TS]

00:49:28   and so like that that's what I wanted [TS]

00:49:30   that's what I wanted to try I still feel [TS]

00:49:32   like there is an important part of this [TS]

00:49:33   though oh oh yeah there is sorry there [TS]

00:49:35   is there is one more thing okay there is [TS]

00:49:38   one more thing which I will straight up [TS]

00:49:40   acknowledge is a kind of personality [TS]

00:49:45   flaw with me but is the thing like I [TS]

00:49:47   recognize about myself and the thing [TS]

00:49:51   that I recognize is if I'm using [TS]

00:49:55   something and I feel like that thing has [TS]

00:49:58   no future I have a very hard time [TS]

00:50:01   continuing to use it okay and I became [TS]

00:50:05   more and more convinced that I was just [TS]

00:50:07   using a dead phone what about it being [TS]

00:50:12   old it was that - that play into it you [TS]

00:50:14   were using an old product the oldest [TS]

00:50:17   like I know you will think that that is [TS]

00:50:19   the the factor but that is very minor [TS]

00:50:23   factor it's it's much more that I just [TS]

00:50:26   kept being convinced like I don't think [TS]

00:50:28   Apple is ever going to make a phone in [TS]

00:50:29   this size again okay [TS]

00:50:31   didn't want to get too used to again [TS]

00:50:33   yeah that was kind of it like I I loved [TS]

00:50:36   that phone but it was it just kept [TS]

00:50:39   niggling in the back of my mind that [TS]

00:50:40   it's like well like this phone is [TS]

00:50:44   already dead right in my hands like I'm [TS]

00:50:47   just I'm like I'm like a sucker holding [TS]

00:50:51   on to a bygone era [TS]

00:50:54   and like this is this is a part of my [TS]

00:50:58   personality which again like sometimes [TS]

00:50:59   I'll recognize that it can be a flaw and [TS]

00:51:01   sometimes it is amazing but it's like I [TS]

00:51:03   just I cannot look backward like I have [TS]

00:51:07   a really hard time with that and even if [TS]

00:51:09   something in the present feels like in [TS]

00:51:11   the future it will be backward I'm like [TS]

00:51:13   now this I can't I can't deal with this [TS]

00:51:15   cuz you know the whole time I'm sitting [TS]

00:51:17   here thinking like there is a myriad of [TS]

00:51:19   battery cases that would fit the iPhone [TS]

00:51:21   se [TS]

00:51:22   okay so slight other thing I had already [TS]

00:51:25   tried doing a whole bunch of battery [TS]

00:51:26   cases with the SE and all of them had [TS]

00:51:28   various frustrations and a long story [TS]

00:51:32   short none of them worked as well as the [TS]

00:51:34   battery case on the seven not not even [TS]

00:51:37   close so I use battery cases I had used [TS]

00:51:41   battery case on the SE while traveling [TS]

00:51:43   and they were better than nothing [TS]

00:51:45   but so the conclusion of this is like [TS]

00:51:47   okay so I tried these various reasons I [TS]

00:51:49   got the seven I got the battery case and [TS]

00:51:51   my experience of it was this battery [TS]

00:51:55   case is glorious because it finally [TS]

00:52:00   takes the phone into like what that what [TS]

00:52:02   the Apple watch is where it's like I [TS]

00:52:04   don't ever have to really think about [TS]

00:52:05   this as long as I plug it in for some [TS]

00:52:08   amount of time once in the day I never [TS]

00:52:11   have to think about what the battery is [TS]

00:52:13   on this phone and over time that case [TS]

00:52:15   for me like now I am used to it the way [TS]

00:52:19   it looks when I see it because initially [TS]

00:52:21   it was like one of the ugliest things [TS]

00:52:22   I've ever seen Apple make because it's [TS]

00:52:24   like this hump on the back of the phone [TS]

00:52:26   mm-hmm I have also since held one mmm [TS]

00:52:29   and it is really a tale of function over [TS]

00:52:33   form it is stupid to have this just like [TS]

00:52:37   a hump on the back of the phone for many [TS]

00:52:40   reasons I think it looks really weird [TS]

00:52:41   and like you put it down on the table [TS]

00:52:43   and you press something in on the phone [TS]

00:52:44   that it flips over when you're holding [TS]

00:52:46   it in your hand like you rest your hand [TS]

00:52:50   kind of around the bump and it actually [TS]

00:52:53   is really nice to hold and it doesn't [TS]

00:52:55   feel like how a lot of these battery [TS]

00:52:58   cases feel where you feel like you've [TS]

00:53:00   doubled the thickness of your phone yeah [TS]

00:53:02   yeah that's the other problem is like [TS]

00:53:05   apples using a lot of their own [TS]

00:53:06   integration [TS]

00:53:07   and they're able to pull a bunch of [TS]

00:53:09   tricks part of which is that they're [TS]

00:53:11   using the female lightning connector on [TS]

00:53:13   the bottom which is a huge win again [TS]

00:53:15   because if talking about battery [TS]

00:53:16   management is like the number of cable [TS]

00:53:17   if I can make the number of cables less [TS]

00:53:18   this is a win it's like if I can avoid a [TS]

00:53:20   microUSB that's fantastic [TS]

00:53:22   like I don't want to have to have one of [TS]

00:53:24   these yeah that sucks it's a real [TS]

00:53:26   annoyance but I have I have just nothing [TS]

00:53:29   but tremendous praise for the battery [TS]

00:53:31   case for the seven and it to me it feels [TS]

00:53:34   like what the battery of a phone should [TS]

00:53:36   be which is I can even with reasonably [TS]

00:53:42   heavy use on a travel day expect that [TS]

00:53:45   this phone will make it till the end of [TS]

00:53:48   the day without being plugged in which I [TS]

00:53:50   just I don't feel like that's a lot to [TS]

00:53:52   ask but I know that with modern phone [TS]

00:53:54   design it apparently is yeah they would [TS]

00:53:56   do it if they could yeah everyone wants [TS]

00:53:58   this everybody knows this like but there [TS]

00:54:01   they just whatever all funds seem to not [TS]

00:54:04   really be able to provide it [TS]

00:54:05   yeah now the other thing which again [TS]

00:54:08   this is for my personality in particular [TS]

00:54:10   is I I might over value wins that take [TS]

00:54:18   something off my mental plate and so [TS]

00:54:21   feeling like I never have to think about [TS]

00:54:23   the battery of this phone is such an [TS]

00:54:25   outsized win in my mind it's hard to [TS]

00:54:27   explain it's the same way like with you [TS]

00:54:30   know with the Apple watch it's like the [TS]

00:54:32   fact that I never have to think about [TS]

00:54:33   this that sometimes I have I have worn a [TS]

00:54:36   watch for two days in a row without even [TS]

00:54:37   charging it it's like it's such a win [TS]

00:54:39   that I don't have to think about it I [TS]

00:54:41   love that and especially with battery [TS]

00:54:43   management I totally love it so on a [TS]

00:54:47   number of different travelling occasions [TS]

00:54:51   all of which happened in very rapid [TS]

00:54:53   succession after you saw me and Ireland [TS]

00:54:55   with seven I was using the 7 I was like [TS]

00:54:58   this battery case is amazing this this [TS]

00:55:01   is fantastic this is this is really [TS]

00:55:03   great but here's the thing like I tried [TS]

00:55:09   so hard I tried so hard to like the size [TS]

00:55:15   of the 7 with the battery case making it [TS]

00:55:19   a little bigger [TS]

00:55:20   but I just couldn't I just couldn't [TS]

00:55:24   I find that sighs for me it is the [TS]

00:55:28   physically wrong size it's uncomfortable [TS]

00:55:30   to use over a long period of time it's [TS]

00:55:33   not small enough to use one-handed it's [TS]

00:55:36   too small to use two-handed it doesn't [TS]

00:55:38   turn sideways so that I can use it two [TS]

00:55:41   handed oh my god just slowly slowly [TS]

00:55:44   drove me crazy he doing what I think [TS]

00:55:46   you're doing right now and I I had to [TS]

00:55:50   let it go and so you don't you don't [TS]

00:55:54   know what I'm doing but I'm using this [TS]

00:55:56   seven plus now yes because that was the [TS]

00:55:59   only place - gasps I know you get it I [TS]

00:56:02   know you're happy about you Zack to me [TS]

00:56:04   this is I didn't expect it to go this [TS]

00:56:06   way no one do you have one to talk to me [TS]

00:56:10   about it you know it's really funny Mike [TS]

00:56:11   I have used the seven plus in front of [TS]

00:56:14   you and you've never noticed because [TS]

00:56:15   it's the correct natural human being [TS]

00:56:17   phone it's like I have I have hidden [TS]

00:56:21   nothing from you I just there was a [TS]

00:56:22   couple of times when I was using this [TS]

00:56:23   the seven in front of you and you just [TS]

00:56:25   you just didn't pick up on it so I just [TS]

00:56:28   I thought that was funny but but yeah [TS]

00:56:29   it's like I tried like I have never [TS]

00:56:32   tried as hard as I tried to really like [TS]

00:56:34   the seven with the battery case like I [TS]

00:56:36   just I desperately wanted to really like [TS]

00:56:38   it but I just I just couldn't get over [TS]

00:56:41   the physical uncomfortableness of that [TS]

00:56:43   size for me and that but this is why [TS]

00:56:45   like I feel like this is this this tale [TS]

00:56:47   of woe right of like where am I going in [TS]

00:56:51   this product line they're their main [TS]

00:56:53   product line it's like physically [TS]

00:56:55   uncomfortable for me like I just don't [TS]

00:56:57   like it [TS]

00:56:57   they have two other sizes with both of [TS]

00:57:00   which I do like like I still really like [TS]

00:57:02   the small size right I still really like [TS]

00:57:05   the plus but but each of these have [TS]

00:57:07   other disadvantages that their main line [TS]

00:57:09   of phone doesn't have so which is it's [TS]

00:57:12   just frustrating I feel like I don't [TS]

00:57:13   have a really good home in this line [TS]

00:57:16   because I'm using I'm using the seven [TS]

00:57:20   plus but that actually doesn't get very [TS]

00:57:23   much better battery life than the S II [TS]

00:57:25   did like if you look on the battery life [TS]

00:57:27   tests there are many times at the S II [TS]

00:57:29   actually outperforms a seven plus [TS]

00:57:30   because even though the battery is way [TS]

00:57:31   bigger the screen is also way bigger [TS]

00:57:33   right which drain out the battery it's [TS]

00:57:34   and it's like I'm back in the same [TS]

00:57:36   position of when I'm traveling having to [TS]

00:57:40   do the mental management of battery on [TS]

00:57:43   this phone and it's just frustrating [TS]

00:57:45   like I was on a trip recently and I was [TS]

00:57:47   just aware like I was out I was taking a [TS]

00:57:49   walk like in a city and I was having a [TS]

00:57:51   really nice time but I was also we're [TS]

00:57:52   like oh my phone is down at 5% on low [TS]

00:57:55   battery mode I've thrown it into [TS]

00:57:56   airplane mode and I need to make sure [TS]

00:57:59   that I have enough battery to get me [TS]

00:58:00   back when I'm done with walking around [TS]

00:58:03   right and it's like I hate that I hate [TS]

00:58:05   having to pay attention to it I hate the [TS]

00:58:08   way that Apple does the low-power mode [TS]

00:58:10   where you have to manually turn it on so [TS]

00:58:12   if you miss it like you can burn through [TS]

00:58:13   the last bit of your battery like I just [TS]

00:58:15   I find it very very frustrating it's [TS]

00:58:17   like I wish I wish they would make a [TS]

00:58:19   battery case with a bigger phone but [TS]

00:58:21   they don't and yeah [TS]

00:58:23   so that's that's why I mic I feel like [TS]

00:58:25   it's a big tale of woe is connected to [TS]

00:58:27   everything in my life and that's and [TS]

00:58:30   that's where we are but I know that at [TS]

00:58:32   least you're going to be happy that I'm [TS]

00:58:34   using the 7 plus there is a lesson to be [TS]

00:58:38   learned here gray what is that lesson [TS]

00:58:40   like that when Mike was right he remains [TS]

00:58:44   that way oh yeah yeah is that the lesson [TS]

00:58:47   to be learned here yep I don't know if [TS]

00:58:49   that's a lesson like I think it is hmm I [TS]

00:58:54   just you know I just like you know I'm [TS]

00:58:58   sure the listeners can hear my voice [TS]

00:58:59   like I'm I'm genuinely frustrated and [TS]

00:59:01   this is all the other like big thing [TS]

00:59:03   this is connected to which I feel like I [TS]

00:59:04   barely even want to mention but is these [TS]

00:59:06   rumors that like the next the next [TS]

00:59:07   iPhone they're their flagship phone is [TS]

00:59:11   going to be the same size as the current [TS]

00:59:13   7 and maybe there's another generation [TS]

00:59:15   of like 7s that symbolize like I just I [TS]

00:59:17   just feel frustrated with maybe the way [TS]

00:59:18   that this is going to go like I'm [TS]

00:59:19   worried about what their next phone is [TS]

00:59:21   going to be if it's the same size as the [TS]

00:59:23   7 so that's that's also why I feel like [TS]

00:59:25   I might even here just have some kind of [TS]

00:59:27   stay of execution with the plus size [TS]

00:59:29   phone I don't know I really I struggle [TS]

00:59:35   to understand why you find that 7 size [TS]

00:59:37   so uncomfortable though like I just [TS]

00:59:40   think it's it's it's not worth it I just [TS]

00:59:43   figure you may as well go to the top [TS]

00:59:45   right you know because I just think it [TS]

00:59:47   makes [TS]

00:59:47   the most sense to go with the plus foam [TS]

00:59:49   over the regular size one I just think [TS]

00:59:51   that you get a lot everything that you [TS]

00:59:53   get you get more of the kind of just [TS]

00:59:56   think that it makes to me just makes so [TS]

00:59:58   much more sense but like you seem [TS]

00:59:58   much more sense but like you seem [TS]

01:00:00   to have this like real anti like [TS]

01:00:03   visceral anti reaction to the size of [TS]

01:00:08   that phone in in a way that I don't [TS]

01:00:10   think I fully understand I mean one of [TS]

01:00:14   the places I feel at the most intensely [TS]

01:00:15   is with the keyboard like I'm really [TS]

01:00:17   just aware the keyboard when I'm typing [TS]

01:00:20   it's just a little too big to [TS]

01:00:22   comfortably type with one hand right and [TS]

01:00:24   then when I bring my other hand over to [TS]

01:00:27   it's now too small [TS]

01:00:28   well I mean you know the solace that you [TS]

01:00:30   may get from this new phone is [TS]

01:00:32   apparently the screen will be a similar [TS]

01:00:33   size to the plus just in a smaller body [TS]

01:00:35   so stuff like that it might not feel too [TS]

01:00:38   bad you'll have more screen real estate [TS]

01:00:39   to actually use both hands with I feel [TS]

01:00:42   like I need to see a 7 plus overlaid on [TS]

01:00:46   a 7 to understand the relative size of [TS]

01:00:48   these things because I'm like I've been [TS]

01:00:50   reading all of the articles about like [TS]

01:00:52   what what the new size might be industry [TS]

01:00:53   like isn't it just a taller screen it's [TS]

01:00:55   not actually a whole lot wider and say [TS]

01:00:57   well that's that's not that doesn't help [TS]

01:00:58   anything you can actually get this [TS]

01:01:00   experience now you can go to a phone [TS]

01:01:02   store and try the Galaxy S a similar [TS]

01:01:05   dimensions hmm I might actually do that [TS]

01:01:08   just just to let my mind rest a little [TS]

01:01:10   bit about this like there's that the two [TS]

01:01:12   sizes they're both like smaller than the [TS]

01:01:14   iPhones but they have bigger screens and [TS]

01:01:17   both of them hmm I might literally do [TS]

01:01:20   that this whole shoes whole bunch of [TS]

01:01:21   like galaxies um [TS]

01:01:23   pop-up stores all around London they're [TS]

01:01:25   ever lettest yeah they're everyone they [TS]

01:01:27   are everywhere to get you to go in and [TS]

01:01:29   try out the phone like you can't you [TS]

01:01:31   can't walk around without them I get [TS]

01:01:33   scared every time I leave the house now [TS]

01:01:35   I'm gonna return home with one it's a [TS]

01:01:40   real fear that I have whenever I go into [TS]

01:01:43   central London I'm I do my very best to [TS]

01:01:45   avoid the coffin warehouse I just can't [TS]

01:01:48   go near it [TS]

01:01:49   because I see it I get sucked in the [TS]

01:01:52   only time I went to look at one and have [TS]

01:01:54   held one was when they weren't for sale [TS]

01:01:56   but they had them in the stores and well [TS]

01:01:58   I can't buy one right now so this is [TS]

01:02:00   safe I love that design man yeah no it [TS]

01:02:05   looks good it looks good but like that I [TS]

01:02:07   just I'm just concerned I'm concerned [TS]

01:02:11   about where this is going in the future [TS]

01:02:12   and edges [TS]

01:02:13   because I feel like I'm set I'm [TS]

01:02:14   sensitive to that size I'm like extra [TS]

01:02:16   worried I'm extra worried that that I've [TS]

01:02:18   just again like bought myself to stay of [TS]

01:02:19   execution I hope you're happy now [TS]

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01:03:24   supporting cortex and real afm so now [TS]

01:03:27   you've been on this like vision quest of [TS]

01:03:29   device to device to device a trail of [TS]

01:03:32   sadness uh-huh there is like you know we [TS]

01:03:35   were talking earlier about this [TS]

01:03:37   graveyard of ideas there must be some [TS]

01:03:41   graveyard of iPhones somewhere like what [TS]

01:03:43   what even happened to all these funds [TS]

01:03:45   they like in in use in various ways [TS]

01:03:49   playing different sound effects remember [TS]

01:03:51   at your house or something like well [TS]

01:03:53   that's ridiculous Mike oh right yeah yep [TS]

01:03:55   yep who would have who would have use [TS]

01:03:57   for three phones no nobody nobody would [TS]

01:03:59   have use for three phones now for on the [TS]

01:04:01   other hand the iPhone the iPhone 7 went [TS]

01:04:05   on to someone who could use it so that [TS]

01:04:07   is that is gone but no the SE the multi [TS]

01:04:16   phone lifestyle Bessie has ended up [TS]

01:04:20   filling a very interesting role [TS]

01:04:23   in my life now several shows ago people [TS]

01:04:29   were asking why the hell don't you just [TS]

01:04:31   use two phones you idiot [TS]

01:04:32   alright that's like if you have the if [TS]

01:04:34   there's things you like about one and [TS]

01:04:35   don't like by the other like just used [TS]

01:04:37   to and my frustration is there's no way [TS]

01:04:41   software wise to use two phones if [TS]

01:04:45   you're all in on the Apple ecosystem [TS]

01:04:47   health data is locked to a single phone [TS]

01:04:50   and Apple watches are locked to a single [TS]

01:04:54   phone so if you want to try to use two [TS]

01:04:56   phones and you're also tracking your [TS]

01:04:58   health and use an Apple watch it's just [TS]

01:05:00   a it's just a total non-starter because [TS]

01:05:02   data and notifications are not going to [TS]

01:05:05   seamlessly move back and forth between [TS]

01:05:08   the two of them but I found an [TS]

01:05:13   interesting an interesting sort of case [TS]

01:05:15   that has worked out quite nicely because [TS]

01:05:19   while I've been using the the plus and I [TS]

01:05:22   do like a lot of the advantages of the [TS]

01:05:24   plus like the bigger screen is nice [TS]

01:05:25   particularly for reading ebooks like it [TS]

01:05:27   is nice to have that out and about but [TS]

01:05:31   the place I didn't like the Plus very [TS]

01:05:33   much is in the house because if I have a [TS]

01:05:36   phone in my pocket like it's still a big [TS]

01:05:37   phone right whenever you sit down I'm [TS]

01:05:39   always really aware of it physically [TS]

01:05:41   like in my pocket and if I would take it [TS]

01:05:43   out I would sort of lose it around the [TS]

01:05:45   house because I didn't remember where I [TS]

01:05:46   was putting it down and so I don't have [TS]

01:05:51   a day phone and a night phone but I have [TS]

01:05:54   ended up with a house phone and an [TS]

01:05:57   outdoor phone because here's the thing [TS]

01:06:00   when I'm in the house the seven-plus [TS]

01:06:05   sits on a little charger and all of the [TS]

01:06:08   notifications that I would get from the [TS]

01:06:10   seven-plus through my Apple watch all of [TS]

01:06:12   that stuff still works like all of the [TS]

01:06:14   fussy way that I have set up the phone [TS]

01:06:16   to notify me when I want with particular [TS]

01:06:18   like with a particular watch setup all [TS]

01:06:21   of that still works because the phone is [TS]

01:06:23   in the house on the Wi-Fi connected to [TS]

01:06:24   the watch and then I can just use the SE [TS]

01:06:28   as a little pocket phone right for in [TS]

01:06:31   the house and this this is fantastic [TS]

01:06:34   because now it doesn't take up a whole [TS]

01:06:35   bunch of space [TS]

01:06:36   I can still use it to control all the [TS]

01:06:38   lights in my house I can use it to send [TS]

01:06:40   back a quick text message to someone if [TS]

01:06:41   I need to like all of all of the useful [TS]

01:06:44   stuff that you would use a phone for in [TS]

01:06:45   your house I can use little se for which [TS]

01:06:48   I totally love a little se for it it's [TS]

01:06:50   perfect for that so now now the routine [TS]

01:06:52   is when I come home I simply just swap [TS]

01:06:56   the phones the seven plus goes on the [TS]

01:06:58   charger and I take off the SE and the SE [TS]

01:07:00   is the house phone and the seven plus is [TS]

01:07:02   the outdoor phone so I'm still using [TS]

01:07:04   both of them and I still really like [TS]

01:07:07   both of them each is adapted to a [TS]

01:07:08   perfect ecological niche now you gave [TS]

01:07:11   only two use cases there so I mean might [TS]

01:07:15   be to dig into this a little bit more [TS]

01:07:17   you said if I need to send back a quick [TS]

01:07:18   reply to a message I need to filter all [TS]

01:07:20   my lights hmm [TS]

01:07:22   you can do both of these extremely [TS]

01:07:24   adequately with your watch you can use [TS]

01:07:27   the home app or the home complication to [TS]

01:07:29   control the lights or you can ask Siri [TS]

01:07:32   and you can also send canned responses [TS]

01:07:35   speak into the watch or draw on the [TS]

01:07:37   watch to say yeah you can send canned [TS]

01:07:39   responses but there's tons of like I [TS]

01:07:41   have OmniFocus to set up on the little [TS]

01:07:42   phone like I have I have a whole bunch [TS]

01:07:44   of the normal stuff that I would use now [TS]

01:07:46   it works on the watch but not for [TS]

01:07:47   entering have you ever tried to actually [TS]

01:07:49   enter something complicated on the watch [TS]

01:07:50   with OmniFocus like good luck with that [TS]

01:07:51   all right [TS]

01:07:52   also the Notes app which I use all the [TS]

01:07:54   time to just capture some thoughts like [TS]

01:07:56   there's a tons of stuff that the phone [TS]

01:07:57   does yeah but like that's useful with a [TS]

01:07:59   little keyboard like the watch is not [TS]

01:08:00   replacing that from what you've [TS]

01:08:02   mentioned me and then the show in the [TS]

01:08:04   past you don't like live in a manor [TS]

01:08:07   house no we have three rooms with the [TS]

01:08:10   amount of iPads that I know that you own [TS]

01:08:12   surely there is never a device out of [TS]

01:08:14   reach there are times when there is a [TS]

01:08:17   device out of reach like if I'm in the [TS]

01:08:19   kitchen is particularly the case where [TS]

01:08:21   like there's not an iPad Within Reach [TS]

01:08:23   in the kitchen right that is by far and [TS]

01:08:25   away the time that is most useful to [TS]

01:08:27   have the phone there in a kitchen iPad [TS]

01:08:29   no no we don't need a kitchen knife at [TS]

01:08:30   that's crazy talk like oh right that's [TS]

01:08:32   sorry that's crazy talk I've pushed it [TS]

01:08:35   too far yeah you have pushed it too far [TS]

01:08:37   I find it is just more convenient [TS]

01:08:39   sometimes to have a device in the pocket [TS]

01:08:41   to respond to certain kinds of things or [TS]

01:08:43   to make notes of certain kinds of things [TS]

01:08:45   so I find it really useful I like it for [TS]

01:08:49   that there's also a way [TS]

01:08:51   which that little phone I have just set [TS]

01:08:54   up to be default connected to some of [TS]

01:08:56   the speakers in our house then also just [TS]

01:08:59   uses like a little podcast machine for [TS]

01:09:00   when I'm playing podcasts around the [TS]

01:09:02   house I really like it as this as this [TS]

01:09:05   smaller device to just have with me to [TS]

01:09:08   do a few minor things and then I don't [TS]

01:09:11   have to have the big bulky seven plus in [TS]

01:09:14   my pocket when I'm walking around the [TS]

01:09:15   house all the time I'm telling you Mike [TS]

01:09:18   you're thinking I'm ridiculous now but [TS]

01:09:20   I'm just gonna wait just gonna wait [TS]

01:09:22   until you have a house Knoll outdoor [TS]

01:09:24   phone I followed you down the multipad [TS]

01:09:28   lifestyle yeah you thought that was [TS]

01:09:30   crazy look who's laughing now [TS]

01:09:32   no there is no realm in wit now I really [TS]

01:09:35   don't think this is gonna happen either [TS]

01:09:36   I just love it if it did I I like really [TS]

01:09:39   don't like any iPhone sighs other than [TS]

01:09:42   the plus ya and the so then I would have [TS]

01:09:44   to that doesn't make I mean I wouldn't [TS]

01:09:45   have to put that there's no point right [TS]

01:09:48   right yeah uh this this one this is a [TS]

01:09:51   bridge too far for me this one I'm [TS]

01:09:53   afraid this is a bridge too far for just [TS]

01:09:55   about anyone I think it should be as [TS]

01:09:56   well yeah that this is basically me [TS]

01:10:00   solving the problem of I don't like [TS]

01:10:02   having the big phone in my pocket but I [TS]

01:10:04   also still want a phone in my pocket [TS]

01:10:05   when I'm in the house I don't know about [TS]

01:10:07   this one gray I'm not sold on this okay [TS]

01:10:12   I am I am genuinely not trying to sell [TS]

01:10:14   you on this I know you know I am I am [TS]

01:10:15   not trying to sell anyone on this just [TS]

01:10:18   to be clear I can really see why you [TS]

01:10:21   didn't want to talk about all of this [TS]

01:10:22   now cuz you've had to let me win again [TS]

01:10:25   with with the superior phone sighs I'm [TS]

01:10:29   actually totally fine having you having [TS]

01:10:32   you win on this one with the with the [TS]

01:10:34   big bust size it's it's just like I feel [TS]

01:10:37   like this is connected to everything in [TS]

01:10:38   my like there's so much we haven't even [TS]

01:10:40   discussed here that I felt like mentally [TS]

01:10:42   exhausted discussing this at all it's [TS]

01:10:44   like so many so many rabbit holes we [TS]

01:10:46   could go down to great we can come back [TS]

01:10:48   to this another time then no no we don't [TS]

01:10:51   need to go down this again okay that's I [TS]

01:10:56   mean maybe we will when the next fella [TS]

01:10:58   comes out no I'm sure they'll be a lot [TS]

01:11:01   there'll be a lot of that come September [TS]

01:11:02   will there be anything to discuss with [TS]

01:11:04   Anne [TS]

01:11:05   found surely not there enough surely not [TS]

01:11:07   neveress let's end our productivity show [TS]

01:11:10   talking a little bit about America truck [TS]

01:11:12   simulator again ooh [TS]

01:11:14   everyone's favorite segment struck time [TS]

01:11:17   the point of all work is to drive a [TS]

01:11:19   pretend truck ultimate so it makes sense [TS]

01:11:21   that at the end of the show we get there [TS]

01:11:22   right like that's that's it [TS]

01:11:24   listen to the show Stephen wrote in to [TS]

01:11:27   let me know I didn't know this that [TS]

01:11:28   apparently there is beta support for VR [TS]

01:11:31   and American Truck Simulator did you [TS]

01:11:33   know about this oh yeah of course I know [TS]

01:11:35   about that I didn't know about this it [TS]

01:11:36   has been around for a while and it's [TS]

01:11:38   pretty buggy but it does work mm-hmm now [TS]

01:11:41   that is a it's just an increasingly more [TS]

01:11:44   intriguing aspect of this game to be [TS]

01:11:49   completely immersed in it you know that [TS]

01:11:51   it feels like it's just an added level [TS]

01:11:53   yeah look I don't know when I don't know [TS]

01:11:57   how but at some point in some way I'm [TS]

01:12:01   gonna be driving an imaginary truck in [TS]

01:12:03   VR like this like this is coming this is [TS]

01:12:06   in my future I sent this to you today I [TS]

01:12:08   saw this on the verge this this gaming [TS]

01:12:11   PC called the Corsair one which is very [TS]

01:12:15   intriguing to me I didn't get a chance [TS]

01:12:18   to look at this super properly I'm [TS]

01:12:20   guessing that it's essentially a Windows [TS]

01:12:22   PC that's set up to be like a game [TS]

01:12:24   console is that what it is that's [TS]

01:12:26   exactly what it is so it is small and it [TS]

01:12:28   has everything and you buy all in one [TS]

01:12:31   package so again I apologize to all the [TS]

01:12:35   PC gamers in the audience because I [TS]

01:12:37   cannot imagine how hard they're rolling [TS]

01:12:40   their eyes to the idea that this is the [TS]

01:12:42   PC that intrigues us like the one that [TS]

01:12:44   is created to being not that right like [TS]

01:12:48   that it is made to be like a games [TS]

01:12:50   console but this is finally like the PC [TS]

01:12:54   that makes I think the most sense for me [TS]

01:12:57   if I was going to go down this route [TS]

01:12:59   like it is a PC that is designed in part [TS]

01:13:04   to be put on a desk mmm like it is it is [TS]

01:13:08   I think a little bit taller but similar [TS]

01:13:10   ish dimensions to the Mac Pro woohoo and [TS]

01:13:13   I'm very intrigued by this because like [TS]

01:13:15   as I said like one of the things that I [TS]

01:13:17   really didn't want [TS]

01:13:18   was to have a big box for this stuff and [TS]

01:13:22   this is not going to be the most [TS]

01:13:23   powerful PC I get that but like I think [TS]

01:13:26   that this looks to me like it a little [TS]

01:13:28   bit of reading about it it looks to me [TS]

01:13:30   like the best middle ground for a lot of [TS]

01:13:34   this stuff yeah I haven't had a chance [TS]

01:13:37   to look at super fully I'm just glancing [TS]

01:13:39   at the at the website now and going [TS]

01:13:41   through some of this stuff I can say I [TS]

01:13:43   have not been more tempted by any PC in [TS]

01:13:46   the last 15 years than this one [TS]

01:13:49   Yeah right like this this looks like oh [TS]

01:13:52   well well hello Corsair one yeah cuz it [TS]

01:13:56   looks the styling is not too much it [TS]

01:13:59   looks like a games console in styling [TS]

01:14:01   mmm but just the idea that it is so [TS]

01:14:05   we've both done this right like we mean [TS]

01:14:07   you have spent quite a bit of time just [TS]

01:14:09   like looking at what is available in the [TS]

01:14:12   PC gaming market yeah and my biggest [TS]

01:14:15   problem is I just don't know what I'm [TS]

01:14:18   looking for building a PC there's no [TS]

01:14:21   there's no way to cut it like it's just [TS]

01:14:23   a bigger deal than buying a Mac my [TS]

01:14:26   buying a Mac is like guess what you've [TS]

01:14:28   got a couple options and you know what [TS]

01:14:30   just to get because like I remember when [TS]

01:14:32   I used to build PCs and buy pcs it's [TS]

01:14:36   like you need to know a bunch of stuff [TS]

01:14:38   and this feels like exactly what I'm [TS]

01:14:42   looking for us like look I just you just [TS]

01:14:43   make it for me put it in a cylinder I [TS]

01:14:45   want to think about this thing as little [TS]

01:14:47   as possible alright like what what I [TS]

01:14:49   want to do is be able to turn this on [TS]

01:14:51   and boot into steam as fast as possible [TS]

01:14:55   yep that's that is my goal here and I [TS]

01:14:58   don't want to have to have an entire [TS]

01:15:01   room in my house set up with like a [TS]

01:15:03   whole other set up like this just this [TS]

01:15:06   looks really really tempting and if it [TS]

01:15:10   can run VR it's like well maybe [TS]

01:15:13   TRUCKING VR with Corsair one could be a [TS]

01:15:18   possibility and I saw that they're [TS]

01:15:21   making double trailers you excited about [TS]

01:15:24   this like you can have two trailers [TS]

01:15:26   attached to a truck I love that I love [TS]

01:15:28   that you're following the trucking news [TS]

01:15:30   Mike III [TS]

01:15:32   pay more attention to the trucking news [TS]

01:15:33   than I do play it I'm just I started [TS]

01:15:36   following the SDS software Twitter [TS]

01:15:38   account I think because they tweeted [TS]

01:15:40   about you and I thought that was really [TS]

01:15:42   funny yeah so idea they tweeted [TS]

01:15:45   something about like I got my pizza or [TS]

01:15:47   whatever when I was playing the key yeah [TS]

01:15:49   I think I think you'd retweeted or [TS]

01:15:51   something and I'm sorry I was like all I [TS]

01:15:52   like these these people that's cool what [TS]

01:15:55   I really want them to do though is to [TS]

01:15:57   make an actual multiplayer experience [TS]

01:16:01   there are mods mmm like it looks like [TS]

01:16:05   there's like this server or something [TS]

01:16:07   that you can use it that there look [TS]

01:16:09   there are mods for multiplayer games and [TS]

01:16:12   the reason this interests me is that as [TS]

01:16:15   null on Twitter sent us a tweet that [TS]

01:16:19   intrigues me greatly about the idea of [TS]

01:16:22   me and you driving down the road [TS]

01:16:25   together as a claw text episode like [TS]

01:16:27   talking over CB radio I feel like this [TS]

01:16:31   is Hugh just trying to get into my [TS]

01:16:32   office in a different way Mike right now [TS]

01:16:34   this that's what this feels the [TS]

01:16:36   multiplayer is not local it's online no [TS]

01:16:39   it I know it's not local but something [TS]

01:16:41   about this feels like the thin end of [TS]

01:16:43   the wedge right that that's what this [TS]

01:16:45   feels like [TS]

01:16:46   we need to land pile in this thing I [TS]

01:16:49   have great internet yeah see that's [TS]

01:16:50   exactly it right you know yeah well it [TS]

01:16:53   will start remotely like Oh it'll be a [TS]

01:16:54   LAN party and then it'll be like so [TS]

01:16:56   where are you during the day [TS]

01:16:57   oh that's that's that's gonna happen [TS]

01:16:59   here I I think that you are taking my [TS]

01:17:03   innocent very innocent idea just wanted [TS]

01:17:06   to play a video game you know and you're [TS]

01:17:08   turning it into this thing [TS]

01:17:09   she's unfair I don't think it is unfair [TS]

01:17:13   I think I know how your Mike mind works [TS]

01:17:14   all I want to do is just is just drive a [TS]

01:17:17   truck with you I don't think that that's [TS]

01:17:18   too much to ask I like driving my truck [TS]

01:17:20   alone right that's that's what I like [TS]

01:17:22   it's not going to be in the same truck [TS]

01:17:26   so it's a solitary experience Mike and [TS]

01:17:29   driving a truck across solitary [TS]

01:17:30   experience that you shared with [TS]

01:17:32   thousands on the Internet [TS]

01:17:33   yeah but it's different they're not [TS]

01:17:34   driving trucks I mean someone could be [TS]

01:17:37   right that's actually not true some of [TS]

01:17:39   them are but you know it's look I'm just [TS]

01:17:41   I'm trying to just say it's it's like an [TS]

01:17:42   experience it's a solitary [TS]

01:17:45   desert experience that sometimes shared [TS]

01:17:48   with a couple thousand passengers but [TS]

01:17:50   mostly solitary experience [TS]

01:17:52   let's truck driving [TS]