Cortex 50: Golden Anniversary


  so I've been away for a few weeks and I [TS]

  haven't been playing as much attention [TS]

  to the internet as I have been [TS]

  previously and then I'm sitting in my [TS]

  office yesterday and I get a push [TS]

  notification from YouTube that cgp grey [TS]

  is live like this is new oh so I open [TS]

  the YouTube app and there is this big [TS]

  screen with a chat window on the right [TS]

  hand side and all these numbers and it [TS]

  says intermission so I'm like what's [TS]

  this chat thing so I go up and I sign up [TS]

  for discord and I appear in this chat [TS]

  room and then I am entered into the [TS]

  world of CGP grey gaming livestreamer [TS]

  hmm no yeah what is going on what of I I [TS]

  feel like I've caught you in the act [TS]

  that's how it felt to me it's like all [TS]

  of a sudden I go to see GP play which [TS]

  was set up a long time ago yeah it's [TS]

  like six videos there they're all like [TS]

  two hours long you're talking about your [TS]

  levels and your framerate and like who [TS]

  is this person and I pop into the chat [TS]

  and and then you started laughing [TS]

  because you knew I'd found you at that [TS]

  point and you've been rumbled that was [TS]

  you didn't find me I thought I was busy [TS]

  I was just doing I'm just doing my own [TS]

  thing and and you you finally finally [TS]

  noticed that's all all I will say is [TS]

  wait we have a very good working [TS]

  relationship me in you and we share [TS]

  things like this with each other when [TS]

  we're trying new stuff out you didn't [TS]

  tell me about this one you just you just [TS]

  well off on your own and got your gaming [TS]

  software that's like I don't like the [TS]

  implication there first of all Mike [TS]

  there are many things that you don't [TS]

  know about right I have like a whole [TS]

  secret life of secret projects well I [TS]

  have secrets too okay it's not a [TS]

  competition it's not a secret [TS]

  competition like wait cut if it's a [TS]

  sacred competition we wouldn't even know [TS]

  about it right well you know I guess I [TS]

  guess yeah maybe not um yeah I just you [TS]

  know I'm just just trying something out [TS]

  just playing around I'm just messing [TS]

  around on the Internet Mike mm-hmm don't [TS]

  don't you worry don't you worry I call [TS]

  my eye on you you're off to something I [TS]

  don't know what it is yet but I know [TS]

  you're up to some [TS]

  I'm not up to anything I don't even know [TS]

  what I'm up to [TS]

  happy episode 50 gray it is our golden [TS]

  anniversary happy cortex over Surrey now [TS]

  I think that cortex over Surrey is held [TS]

  back for birthdays after shower as it [TS]

  was that for birthdays for this yeah [TS]

  yeah we fell into that hole while ago I [TS]

  realized that we've actually used a name [TS]

  before but we could maybe call this a [TS]

  cortex over Surrey - it can be many [TS]

  contexts of bursaries like how the Queen [TS]

  has many birthdays we have many contexts [TS]

  of bursaries yeah it's like she gets to [TS]

  cheat she was like three birthdays like [TS]

  wait a minute how did you wrangle that [TS]

  out the answer is she's the queen yeah [TS]

  if you can make up all the rules I'd [TS]

  have 10 birthdays one up bring me all [TS]

  the presents give me a parade I want a [TS]

  parade it's my birthday twice a day you [TS]

  have to bring me two presents yeah I'm [TS]

  kind of surprised that there hasn't been [TS]

  a parade for episode 50 at the show but [TS]

  like you know whatever people don't want [TS]

  to put that together that's fine here we [TS]

  are it's it's episode number 50 and I [TS]

  mentioned this in our last episode that [TS]

  I wanted to take episode 50 as a time to [TS]

  look back on the show a little bit yes [TS]

  we've been doing we've been doing this [TS]

  for what five years now it's not think [TS]

  of something like that I actually [TS]

  genuinely don't have any idea how long [TS]

  we've been doing it it's about two years [TS]

  Wow which I never quite remember that [TS]

  it's been that long like it doesn't feel [TS]

  it doesn't feel like it's been two years [TS]

  yeah that doesn't feel right at all in [TS]

  my head either yeah we started the show [TS]

  in June 2015 [TS]

  so we're rounding up on two years yeah I [TS]

  guess that makes sense right because [TS]

  last summer or how do i phrase the way [TS]

  my brain is putting this together I was [TS]

  going to say last summer existed and was [TS]

  not the Knightmare summer of when we [TS]

  started cortex yep and we're coming up [TS]

  on a new summer so yeah I guess yeah [TS]

  that would make sense about two years [TS]

  but yes so over this time I think we [TS]

  have implanted our old wisdom that we [TS]

  have right we're out of wisdom this is [TS]

  actually the last show no don't say [TS]

  stuff like that because when you say [TS]

  folks are we not supposed to tell the [TS]

  people that this is the last show don't [TS]

  do that [TS]

  don't do it [TS]

  not fair you're being mean now to the to [TS]

  the listeners that's not fair to me that [TS]

  way oh you want a different impression [TS]

  ha ha oh I thought we were doing a very [TS]

  different show today what uh sir sorry [TS]

  to say buddy check the contract who is [TS]

  still going you ain't get away from me [TS]

  yet Oh No [TS]

  why did I sign this you ain't getting [TS]

  away from me I've got you we're gonna be [TS]

  doing this for a long time to come to [TS]

  send a message to my lawyer [TS]

  well it's too late for that I've [TS]

  employed a vast team to make sure that [TS]

  you're not gonna get out of my clutches [TS]

  but we are gonna take some time to look [TS]

  back at the show and a couple of things [TS]

  I asked our listeners and also listeners [TS]

  to provide us with some times where we [TS]

  said some stupid things and also for [TS]

  people to tell us what they've learned [TS]

  over the show every now and then if [TS]

  you've said they SH you got it we got a [TS]

  review and summarize and this this is a [TS]

  review and summary of the last 50 [TS]

  episodes I think who think we should [TS]

  start off with some of the stupid stuff [TS]

  we said okay so this does one for me and [TS]

  one for you here which it which I think [TS]

  kind of hilarious mmm Bernardo wrote in [TS]

  to remind me that on Episode one of the [TS]

  show I said I have an iPad I just don't [TS]

  use it ever the only thing I ever use it [TS]

  for his video and I remember I bro I [TS]

  have vivid memories of recording episode [TS]

  1 of the show oh do you yeah I remember [TS]

  it vividly and I remember at that point [TS]

  I took a look to my right hand side on [TS]

  my iPad was sitting there underneath a [TS]

  book so at that point I really was not [TS]

  on the iPad train in any way no no I [TS]

  think also like I listened to the clip [TS]

  and and you at that point really were [TS]

  not either like you were using them more [TS]

  but like pretty much primarily for [TS]

  consumption at that point is that is [TS]

  that how I described at the time kind of [TS]

  like you talked about it being like a [TS]

  great entertainment device hmm it's I [TS]

  feel like we have to go back and look at [TS]

  the record because I think maybe I was [TS]

  agreeing with you that as good as an [TS]

  entertainment device but like I always [TS]

  wrote scripts on an iPad like a lot all [TS]

  I have Starwood's that you said and [TS]

  luckily there is a record and I said [TS]

  this wouldn't be a clip show but now [TS]

  we're only five minutes in and I'm gonna [TS]

  play a clip is it fair to say maybe your [TS]

  iPhone is the most important of the two [TS]

  that's a hot if I had to pick between [TS]

  the two if I could only have one that's [TS]

  a difficult question I'd have to sit [TS]

  down and think about that for a while [TS]

  that's not immediately answerable wow [TS]

  that's surprising to me I guess that [TS]

  shows a difference in the way that let [TS]

  me and you work like I don't even use an [TS]

  iPad I have one I just don't use it ever [TS]

  right um because you know my iPhone is [TS]

  like that's like the most important [TS]

  device I own I think yeah it's it's [TS]

  closer it's closer for me it's it my my [TS]

  iPads do not live unloved on the floor [TS]

  somewhere in my house is presumably [TS]

  yours does it's like somewhere if I ever [TS]

  need it I always have to search for it [TS]

  it's never it's never in a place that's [TS]

  immediately obvious mmm like the only [TS]

  thing I ever ever use it for is to watch [TS]

  video on yeah but they're very good for [TS]

  browsing stuff I feel like I using an [TS]

  iPad for writing was always the thing [TS]

  that attracted me at the very first to [TS]

  the eye apparently there's a little [TS]

  reason I bought an iPad was I remember [TS]

  looking at my wife's iPad which I [TS]

  originally thought was like oh this will [TS]

  just be a thing used for video and then [TS]

  I saw her using I was like ooh that [TS]

  looks really interesting um and like I [TS]

  think I think I might started using this [TS]

  since I was borrowing hers all the time [TS]

  like back and back in the day but yeah [TS]

  it's I mean no matter no matter what I [TS]

  said in the clip the mic just played [TS]

  like without a doubt uh you know the [TS]

  iPads were were way closer to toys [TS]

  two years ago yeah than they are now [TS]

  yeah like even if you were doing a bunch [TS]

  of writing on them and like and I went [TS]

  I've been through phases whether they [TS]

  were useful for me from a Productivity [TS]

  perspective or not over the last you [TS]

  know seven years the iPads have been [TS]

  around mm-hmm but I wasn't in the place [TS]

  with them ever than what I am now and I [TS]

  think it was the same for you right [TS]

  where if somebody asks you what is your [TS]

  primary computer you said we would both [TS]

  say iPad but we weren't in that point [TS]

  then yeah that just wasn't really [TS]

  possible previously not because of [TS]

  software limitations and because of [TS]

  hardware limitations and yeah I think I [TS]

  think both of us have have come to the [TS]

  conclusion that we think [TS]

  of our IMAX now as production machine [TS]

  what stations yeah like yet workstations [TS]

  to be set up yep like with particular [TS]

  tools for particular purposes and that [TS]

  our iPads have taken over the role as [TS]

  general function computer right the [TS]

  device that can do a bunch of stuff that [TS]

  was definitely one of the really [TS]

  interesting things that I noticed by [TS]

  looking over the arc of the shownotes [TS]

  basically a couple of weeks after we [TS]

  started the show iOS 9 was released well [TS]

  like we know it was previewed at WDC oh [TS]

  wow ok interesting and then that starts [TS]

  everything right because it was iOS 9 [TS]

  that enabled people to be able to use [TS]

  iOS more productively on an iPad and [TS]

  then it kind of moves on from there all [TS]

  the way up to the point where I buy one [TS]

  iPad on a whim and then the second one [TS]

  just because yes yes this could go from [TS]

  having one iPad under a book to two [TS]

  iPads and constant use yep [TS]

  Multi pad lifestyle yeah it's important [TS]

  Richard wrote in to say the UH nepo [TS]

  sewed for you said there's no point for [TS]

  anyone in the world to have to Apple [TS]

  watches okay I feel the need to contest [TS]

  uh-huh this like you're probably going [TS]

  to have to pay another clip we go really [TS]

  far another clip show yeah this is not a [TS]

  clip show but except except what uh I [TS]

  feel it's such a disadvantage because I [TS]

  feel like I'm gonna be arguing I can [TS]

  marketing without hearing what I said [TS]

  back in the day but I'm because I am [TS]

  willing to bet that what I was [TS]

  discussing was that was in the context [TS]

  of the limitations of the Apple watch at [TS]

  the time because if you remember when [TS]

  the Apple watch first came out there was [TS]

  no way to have more than one Apple watch [TS]

  right they paired to a phone you can't [TS]

  make the argument that like I said [TS]

  something because I didn't know the [TS]

  future that's not how this works right [TS]

  well that's all I'm saying is if the [TS]

  context of this is we say stupid stuff I [TS]

  think the full context of that quote is [TS]

  not dumb it's like oh given the [TS]

  limitations at the time it would have [TS]

  been dumb to have two watches but then [TS]

  mine's fine too because back then the [TS]

  iPad really was [TS]

  really good for video and not much else [TS]

  I think I think I was making that [TS]

  argument for you earlier it's not that [TS]

  like me and you a categorically stupid [TS]

  it's that given what we know now with [TS]

  hindsight these things are funny mmm [TS]

  that's what this is I don't know I feel [TS]

  like everything oh well let listeners [TS]

  decide when they listen to that clip but [TS]

  I bet there is some context about given [TS]

  the limitations of the device at the [TS]

  time it would be dumb to have more than [TS]

  one watch now it's obviously great to [TS]

  have two watches yeah I guess maybe even [TS]

  three what you don't do you know I don't [TS]

  know I don't I don't know but it has [TS]

  crossed my mind like oh I could imagine [TS]

  a situation where three would be really [TS]

  useful well four huh [TS]

  well now four is crazy there's no reason [TS]

  in the world for anyone for watches [TS]

  episode 75 and episode 50 I think my [TS]

  contract ends at episode 74 Dustin I [TS]

  just don't do this to people you know [TS]

  you have to unpair the watch and like go [TS]

  rego through a kind of load from backup [TS]

  irritating semi set up process for [TS]

  switching over the watches so even if [TS]

  you wanted to be a crazy person who had [TS]

  redundant watches which i think is a [TS]

  little bizarre Apple is saying no on [TS]

  this one there they're putting down [TS]

  their foot and going you can't have [TS]

  redundant watches I don't know if you [TS]

  can start throwing the bizarre tag [TS]

  around you do have like three iPads in [TS]

  use yes but there are uses for all those [TS]

  iPads yeah but there will be used for [TS]

  the two watches want to track your sleep [TS]

  want to go about your day with um okay [TS]

  but but even even if even if you could [TS]

  pair two watches this is all notion of [TS]

  using the watch to track your sleep as a [TS]

  redundant one that wouldn't it wouldn't [TS]

  work anyway the watch isn't designed for [TS]

  that and I don't think this sleep [TS]

  tracking with the current state of it [TS]

  would even work over night anyway so is [TS]

  there is no point in the world to having [TS]

  two Apple watches there's there's an [TS]

  this is a solution for nobody's problem [TS]

  that like this this accomplishes nothing [TS]

  whereas you know there are many many [TS]

  cases of more than one iPad being [TS]

  useful there was also a time when you [TS]

  said no more than 10 episodes so you [TS]

  know now look at you yeah overworked [TS]

  doll overworked like a beast of burden [TS]

  that's not what I am like just a slave [TS]

  producing content an endless stream of [TS]

  content that's my life is that is that [TS]

  what you do that's what it feels like [TS]

  that's what I feel like I feel like CGP [TS]

  grey production of an endless stream of [TS]

  Conte it never ends from my perspective [TS]

  what if you keep adding things to it [TS]

  that is true yeah that's that's that's [TS]

  one thing that's the thing you don't [TS]

  have yourself to blame it's like a [TS]

  waterfall of content this episode of [TS]

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  their support of this show one of my [TS]

  favorite things about the follow up that [TS]

  we get from this show is when people [TS]

  write in to say that's something that we [TS]

  spoken about has made a big impact in [TS]

  their life and it's kind of like the [TS]

  reverse of care tax which is a thing [TS]

  that we try and do every now and then [TS]

  and I continue to encourage people to [TS]

  send things like this into us like [TS]

  questions you know where they maybe need [TS]

  some advice from us if they think we're [TS]

  in a position be able to help but the [TS]

  other side of it is when people write in [TS]

  and say how things that we've broken [TS]

  about on the show have just helped them [TS]

  um and I wanted to cover a few of those [TS]

  as well as just some people that have [TS]

  made some interesting changes to their [TS]

  life having listened to the show [TS]

  Ariba 66 on reddit wrote in to say if a [TS]

  few things that they have done since [TS]

  listening to cortex and I feel like that [TS]

  they more than anybody encapsulated the [TS]

  whole run of the show into their life so [TS]

  this person says now I listen to [TS]

  thunderstorm sounds throughout my whole [TS]

  day because it occupies the part of my [TS]

  mind that can't stand silence but still [TS]

  lets me think ah fantastic yeah they got [TS]

  it [TS]

  except when I'm at the gym when it's [TS]

  girl talks all day which is quite [TS]

  possibly the best motivational album [TS]

  ever created mmm yeah I don't listen to [TS]

  that the gym but that could make for [TS]

  some really good gym music always good [TS]

  at the gym is good at the gym you should [TS]

  do that but then you might start writing [TS]

  accidentally and then then who knows [TS]

  what's going to happen yeah now the hope [TS]

  the whole point of this is you have to [TS]

  train your brain for different contexts [TS]

  so [TS]

  it can't be gym music because it's work [TS]

  music girl-talk has more than one album [TS]

  now there's only one album that exists [TS]

  and that is all day interesting [TS]

  they go on to say I've got GTD systems [TS]

  on every device in my email inboxes [TS]

  always at zero now I'll say they didn't [TS]

  learn that from us because I was gonna [TS]

  say how you doing work better than me on [TS]

  that yeah you've definitely passed us in [TS]

  the in the getting your inbox to zero [TS]

  the thing I now have personal finance [TS]

  tracker z' that I've built in Excel [TS]

  because no app would do what I needed I [TS]

  understand that yeah I know they can [TS]

  forecast my spending and savings twelve [TS]

  months into the future I want these [TS]

  spreadsheets personally okay it sounds [TS]

  like sounds like this person has built [TS]

  an unintentional business look like if [TS]

  you can you can start selling these [TS]

  spreadsheets why Smart Watch notifies we [TS]

  went to do my laundry and charge my [TS]

  toothbrush and even go to sleep because [TS]

  it's in my calendar stored on my ever [TS]

  muted phone hmm since I started [TS]

  listening to cortex about eighteen [TS]

  months ago I don't feel like I have [TS]

  intentionally changed anything [TS]

  dramatically I feel more like things [TS]

  that I have learned and dripped that [TS]

  into my daily life and routines have [TS]

  just allowed me to be more myself [TS]

  allowing me to see a future horizon in [TS]

  all the different directions of my life [TS]

  I like this paragraph because I think [TS]

  this sums up me hmm I haven't really [TS]

  tried to make any big changes [TS]

  specifically because of that what I've [TS]

  learned over this show and later on in [TS]

  the show I'm gonna say what I feel like [TS]

  I have learned and I how I have changed [TS]

  but most of the things that I've done [TS]

  they've just happened because of us [TS]

  talking about this stuff I don't think [TS]

  there are many things if any that I did [TS]

  is like this big experiment with maybe [TS]

  the exception of time tracking yeah no I [TS]

  totally agree with you and I like this [TS]

  comment as well it's funny I was I was [TS]

  actually just talking to talking to my [TS]

  wife about this the other day about how [TS]

  again it is it is rare that there's a [TS]

  big conscious thing that changes your [TS]

  life for the better like those events [TS]

  happen but most of your life is about [TS]

  constantly making small little changes [TS]

  over time and then it's only like when [TS]

  you look back you realize like oh I've [TS]

  changed over the past year I've changed [TS]

  12 things [TS]

  each of which has had a positive [TS]

  influence on the way that I live or the [TS]

  way that I work and like that that kind [TS]

  of that kind of slow small even sort of [TS]

  like semi unintentional positive changes [TS]

  like those are the things that really [TS]

  make like daily life more frictionless [TS]

  and-and-and like really add up at home I [TS]

  am a better more relaxed a more [TS]

  available person to the people I care [TS]

  about then I was before a work I can [TS]

  tell you that I have spent exactly 45 [TS]

  hours 48 minutes and 37 seconds on my [TS]

  current web development project moving [TS]

  outside of work I'm meeting with an app [TS]

  developer tomorrow to start work on a [TS]

  side project Oh exsiting side projects [TS]

  are always exciting I would love to know [TS]

  because this person wrote in to us a [TS]

  while ago and I've been saving it mmm [TS]

  I would love some follow-up Erebus 66 [TS]

  how is that side project going I'd love [TS]

  to know an honest 1642 am at have both [TS]

  switched to using the Dvorak keyboard as [TS]

  their primary keyboard I would say that [TS]

  Ana's 1642 am at Godspeed to you but I [TS]

  think that you're both very brave for [TS]

  doing this I'm gonna get you to switch [TS]

  to Dvorak Mike that's something I'm [TS]

  telling you will not happen it's gonna [TS]

  be really easy especially when you're [TS]

  using an iPad all the time that Dvorak [TS]

  is gonna be super easy to switch to [TS]

  hasn't changed there's nothing so that [TS]

  can do that for you [TS]

  no no Apple developers if you're [TS]

  listening just just um just go throw it [TS]

  out there Dvorak layout what about [TS]

  Bluetooth keyboard like it do you use a [TS]

  Dvorak keyboard for your iPad yeah [TS]

  luckily that is that is a setting that [TS]

  has been in there for forever that when [TS]

  you're using an external keyboard you [TS]

  can set it to be Dvorak but it's just [TS]

  the annoying thing is like I would use [TS]

  the glass keyboard more if I could use [TS]

  that as as a Dvorak layout but I just I [TS]

  just can't so I always have to type [TS]

  really weirdly and slowly that way but [TS]

  yeah those those brave souls who switch [TS]

  to Dvorak I wish you the best I do [TS]

  really like it like it has personally [TS]

  benefited me but I can't I can't exactly [TS]

  feel like I'm a huge evangelist about [TS]

  this because it is [TS]

  it is like having a lobotomy when you [TS]

  first try to switch it's like you've [TS]

  just lost part of your brain yeah I'm [TS]

  not interested in the switching costs [TS]

  for that one I'll tell you that for free [TS]

  yeah and there are annoyances forever [TS]

  when you switch Dvorak again worth it [TS]

  for me I've never had RSI problems in my [TS]

  hands with regards to typing since I [TS]

  made the switch which you know I didn't [TS]

  have before which is again thing I'll [TS]

  just mention for anybody who's having [TS]

  that this might be this might be a very [TS]

  good reason to switch to Dvorak and I [TS]

  congratulate those who have come to the [TS]

  Dvorak master race but there are always [TS]

  Lori's know you conscious attached [TS]

  master race to anything did you think is [TS]

  better because then you're gonna get the [TS]

  pcmasterrace on your case well you know [TS]

  unluckily for them they're the inferior [TS]

  race they just don't know it well I [TS]

  don't know man your iMac frame rate [TS]

  would maybe suggest differently [TS]

  I'm just haven't gotten the settings [TS]

  right yeah okay good good I'm still [TS]

  working on that it is funny to hear you [TS]

  say on your gaming livestreams about [TS]

  having a top-of-the-line iMac and then [TS]

  everybody just laughs at you we think we [TS]

  can come to that later oh yes Joshua [TS]

  started his own company oh wow [TS]

  which is kind of incredible [TS]

  congratulations to you mm-hmm [TS]

  Alex started using a task manager sleep [TS]

  tracker on a time management system and [TS]

  Rosemarie was joined Alex in using time [TS]

  tracking and overhauled their to-do [TS]

  system I like all this feedback what one [TS]

  thing I think I have found interesting [TS]

  from our more recent shows is how the [TS]

  time tracking sections feel like they're [TS]

  the divisive sections yet people are [TS]

  either super into the time tracking they [TS]

  just do not like it yeah or feel like [TS]

  they're going to die listening to people [TS]

  talk about down tracking I find I find [TS]

  that very interesting [TS]

  yep that that there's there's like of [TS]

  almost any topic I feel like there's no [TS]

  topic that has a stronger mmm [TS]

  disagreements in the everything we have [TS]

  done I mean so like people will fight [TS]

  over Android and iOS yeah and stuff like [TS]

  that but they're not necessarily [TS]

  fighting against us yeah they did [TS]

  overtime tracking [TS]

  yeah where is it like I've definitely [TS]

  been on the receiving end like please [TS]

  tell me more the exact details of your [TS]

  time tracking system and also for the [TS]

  love of God never talk about time [TS]

  tracking again yeah it's like it's like [TS]

  it's like getting my teeth pulled I [TS]

  can't stand it I guess there's something [TS]

  about that I find really really [TS]

  interesting and that actually does make [TS]

  me want to evangelize even more the [TS]

  benefits of time tracking do everybody I [TS]

  feel like no like no you people who are [TS]

  anti time tracking you just don't [TS]

  understand how how life-changing and how [TS]

  fantastic this can this can be it really [TS]

  is it's changed everything we're not [TS]

  going to get into it now because we [TS]

  don't want to start this oh but but like [TS]

  I have to say you know I mean people [TS]

  know we started talking about time [TS]

  tracking a lot in the beginning of the [TS]

  year because I was trying to do this [TS]

  thing of time tracking lots of hours in [TS]

  the day and I've got to say like I can [TS]

  feel like this is this is a thing that [TS]

  makes a huge difference and if you are [TS]

  if you are an anti time tracking person [TS]

  I'm like I'm gonna say it again like [TS]

  just start small like just just track [TS]

  your prime working hours it's like a [TS]

  little gateway drug to seeing how useful [TS]

  and helpful this is I think I've got to [TS]

  pull the ripcord on this wherever one [TS]

  turns off we will come back to time [TS]

  tracking again one day yeah we will give [TS]

  a lot of notice so people can just skip [TS]

  if they're not interested yeah but I do [TS]

  just find it interesting so divisive I [TS]

  tested Edina right because when we were [TS]

  getting the feedback from people at the [TS]

  saying they weren't enjoying it I asked [TS]

  I was like what did we talk about in the [TS]

  episode and she didn't know mm she [TS]

  couldn't answer when we were talking [TS]

  about time tracking so I added that she [TS]

  switches off to that to his time [TS]

  tracking doesn't look like anything to [TS]

  me yeah so don't worry listener if you [TS]

  were unhappy about our time tracking [TS]

  conversations people in my own house [TS]

  wear as well so you know alone I will [TS]

  ask you though because though many [TS]

  people that brought up their [TS]

  productivity management has there been [TS]

  any movement on your productivity [TS]

  management are you using any type of [TS]

  to-do app anymore or you just you still [TS]

  living like a man on the wind is that [TS]

  why you're driving trucks more cuz you [TS]

  don't know what your tasks are no [TS]

  it's a you know it's a free lifestyle [TS]

  being a trucker on the road you don't [TS]

  have to keep track of tasks it's just [TS]

  there's only ever one thing just you [TS]

  feel and the delivery right that's all [TS]

  it takes yeah it's like where am i [TS]

  bringing this truck full of Lego - oh [TS]

  I'm bringing it over there man I haven't [TS]

  played trucks him in a while I'm getting [TS]

  that pull man would ya you miss it you [TS]

  miss a dose I'm gonna go by the truckin [TS]

  yeah you're going to UM but but to [TS]

  answer the question what I what I have [TS]

  been doing is I was living just totally [TS]

  unhinged for a while and I have very [TS]

  very little money special see just be [TS]

  great totally on him um I have very [TS]

  slowly been bringing some stuff [TS]

  mindfully back into OmniFocus so I [TS]

  actually cleared out the whole of my [TS]

  OmniFocus database Wow just to start [TS]

  over fresh wow you burned it down huh [TS]

  yeah I did I did I totally burned it [TS]

  down because it was again a thing of [TS]

  like I want to I want to think about how [TS]

  am I going to use this and I still don't [TS]

  have a full system set up in a [TS]

  meaningful way but I am using OmniFocus [TS]

  to again do all the like the templating [TS]

  stuff that we've discussed previously [TS]

  that they can do for a bunch of [TS]

  checklists so I have returned to using [TS]

  OmniFocus for those checklists but I'm [TS]

  using it less than I did before but [TS]

  again this is an intentional like slow [TS]

  rethinking of how do I want to use some [TS]

  of these tools so there is a system but [TS]

  not a full system yet so this is just a [TS]

  selection of the people that wrote in to [TS]

  say that they're using these systems to [TS]

  do management time tracking mmm sleep [TS]

  tracking stuff like that mmm not one [TS]

  person wrote in to say about the email [TS]

  habits changing that no one wrote in to [TS]

  talk about the email apps that they're [TS]

  using nobody brought in to talk about [TS]

  like adopting your VIP system nobody we [TS]

  spent so much time on email that should [TS]

  have been the divisive topic but it was [TS]

  not mmm but nobody wrote in to say [TS]

  anything about there [TS]

  no habit I guess I guess it's because [TS]

  people's email that they've all got it [TS]

  locked down yeah everybody's everybody [TS]

  is perfectly happy with their email [TS]

  clients everybody's doing great I'm [TS]

  using a mail still by the way in case [TS]

  anybody's gonna keep in school I'm back [TS]

  to mail Dada [TS]

  Oh again because uni box like it updated [TS]

  the week before I mentioned it on the [TS]

  show and it never updated again oh I [TS]

  think it's dead oh no it was like not a [TS]

  novel one yeah it was like mentioning it [TS]

  on the show like oh is the kiss of death [TS]

  we had to stop talking about things we [TS]

  like you know that right yeah we had to [TS]

  keep it secret eh so was convinced to [TS]

  buy an iPad pro so that it's basically a [TS]

  monster reddit email Netflix and YouTube [TS]

  device which I can get behind you know I [TS]

  like to do my work but I also love to [TS]

  watch YouTube on it how else was how [TS]

  else will i watch grey drive across [TS]

  America on my iPad that's where I do it [TS]

  yeah so it's big enough you can see the [TS]

  chat something like that dave says that [TS]

  they refuse to put any apps on the [TS]

  bottom row of his home screen or more [TS]

  than three apps in the dock yeah that's [TS]

  the way to do it that's the way to do it [TS]

  really yeah the three app that I don't [TS]

  know why I disagree with this so much [TS]

  with the three apps in the dock it looks [TS]

  so nice let's push wasted space and the [TS]

  empty bottom row it's for temporary apps [TS]

  I fill up my entire screen now grey I [TS]

  know you do and it looks like garbage [TS]

  the whole thing the whole thing is full [TS]

  of apps now yeah if it works for you [TS]

  that's fine I have too many things to do [TS]

  but I do many things to do so you need [TS]

  all those apps yeah I need them all [TS]

  there where else am I gonna put my time [TS]

  tracker I don't know if it I don't think [TS]

  that that's not a valid that's not a [TS]

  valid conclusion they are you doing to [TS]

  me like perfectly valid you are you are [TS]

  a podcaster mm-hmm like I'm a podcaster [TS]

  educational video producer live streamer [TS]

  hey hey I'm a I'm a business owner [TS]

  podcaster and youtuber alright I'll wear [TS]

  those hats I still don't think that [TS]

  justifies all the apps on your phone but [TS]

  you know if you like it that's fine so I [TS]

  have a seeker about you this is [TS]

  something that I've been holding on to [TS]

  for about six months and have not [TS]

  mentioned it [TS]

  but I think now is the time to address [TS]

  it mmm so you have been a proponent of [TS]

  the iPhone se right that has been [TS]

  something that we've spoken about in the [TS]

  past you love the little phone it's the [TS]

  perfect phone and all that nonsense when [TS]

  you moved away from the big phone about [TS]

  six months ago when we were in Ireland [TS]

  together I spotted you and you knew I [TS]

  saw you using an iPhone 7 ooh [TS]

  the regular-sized iPhone 7 whoo [TS]

  you know you don't use the iPhone se [TS]

  anymore do you gray oh we we can't get [TS]

  into this Mike this is like is this like [TS]

  your whole thing uh-huh we can't get [TS]

  into this now all right this is we can't [TS]

  we can't do this right now [TS]

  it's too much it's too much okay now is [TS]

  that we I wanted to tell I want our [TS]

  listeners to know all right [TS]

  need to know that you've been living a [TS]

  lie for this time is not living a lie I [TS]

  haven't mentioned anything you're living [TS]

  a life of a mission yeah that's that's [TS]

  what being a being a public person in [TS]

  the world is like hey guess what you [TS]

  don't always mention absolutely [TS]

  everything you do all the time yeah sure [TS]

  well I mean we talk about every product [TS]

  Under the Sun that we buy on this show [TS]

  but you neglected to mention this one [TS]

  cuz it's like it's the whole thing I [TS]

  don't want I don't want to get into it [TS]

  right now it's like a big story well I [TS]

  want to listen this to know we're gonna [TS]

  get into this no okay all right I won't [TS]

  ever want to go to the reddit and and [TS]

  say about how much they want us to [TS]

  discuss this the fact that you neglected [TS]

  the SE and have moved to the iPhone 7 [TS]

  because I think everybody deserves to [TS]

  know why yes a mic doesn't even know [TS]

  what I've done Mike doesn't even have [TS]

  any idea and it's gonna be tumbleweeds [TS]

  in that reddit all I know that is that [TS]

  you've done it and I spotted you and [TS]

  even then you refuse to talk about it [TS]

  you think you think you know you think [TS]

  you know but you don't know Mike I was [TS]

  in SC in a big case well tough yes yeah [TS]

  we'll talk about it some other time [TS]

  we'll talk about some other time right [TS]

  now I'm enjoying how we've improved [TS]

  people's lives Mike oh yeah we don't [TS]

  need to get into like a big phone big [TS]

  phone sign tangent right now right yeah [TS]

  okay should we go back to talking about [TS]

  the people yeah let's go back to talking [TS]

  about the people your favorite topic [TS]

  right [TS]

  yeah my favorite topic I think things [TS]

  were and to say this show has taught me [TS]

  that nobody is born a youtuber or [TS]

  podcaster now that line is the most [TS]

  beautiful backhanded compliment I've [TS]

  ever received how is that backhanded [TS]

  it's like because it's like these two [TS]

  not very good they found their own way [TS]

  they don't have that I hope natural-born [TS]

  Talent proceeded like it was spoken [TS]

  about it but that makes it sound like [TS]

  you believe you were predestined to be a [TS]

  podcaster right you're like who's this [TS]

  who's this person telling me that I was [TS]

  not born to be a podcaster hmm I don't [TS]

  know about that one I know what they're [TS]

  trying to say but it's a part of me [TS]

  that's kind of just like he doesn't have [TS]

  any real talent listen I think things in [TS]

  the reddit I really like that line I [TS]

  appreciate it don't listen oh I do [TS]

  appreciate it but I also see a different [TS]

  side to it I'm choosing to believe that [TS]

  they mean it in a good way [TS]

  mmm before the show in my head gray was [TS]

  just meant to be a youtuber and you just [TS]

  had the talent of a podcaster the course [TS]

  of this show helped me to realize that [TS]

  you're just a once bank manager or [TS]

  marketer who spent enough time doing [TS]

  something interesting that you became [TS]

  very good at it 104 it gray is just a [TS]

  high school physics teacher who got fed [TS]

  up and wanted to do something completely [TS]

  on his own and just got good at making [TS]

  interesting videos I don't say this is [TS]

  an insult there you go see see think but [TS]

  they know that it can be right I don't [TS]

  say this is an insult I say that as a [TS]

  realization that all the people in [TS]

  internet celebrities I know are no [TS]

  different than me except that they tried [TS]

  something and succeeded and now I'm [TS]

  trying something to and drive him for [TS]

  success so thanks yeah that's that's [TS]

  fantastic I was making fun I was making [TS]

  fun oh don't get all sensitive now Mike [TS]

  how come why'd you make me out to be a [TS]

  bad person yeah god I can't allow that [TS]

  you left yourself open I know I did I [TS]

  know that was a bad move I made a [TS]

  misstep that's it I mean it is a good [TS]

  point because I think it's something [TS]

  that me and you have tried to to talk [TS]

  about a lot and there's a couple of [TS]

  strands to it you know like we talked [TS]

  about the fact that people have talent I [TS]

  mean there are people that have [TS]

  differing skills and some people who are [TS]

  better at some things than others [TS]

  but really you can get by in a lot of [TS]

  ways by just really trying hard and [TS]

  working at something you know and [TS]

  because you know I don't know if [TS]

  necessarily me or you have any real [TS]

  talents that that make us good at what [TS]

  we do except we put in a lot of time and [TS]

  work to try and get to the places that [TS]

  we're at like I really like this because [TS]

  you know I've met I mentioned before [TS]

  back when I was just a physics teacher [TS]

  like I was always trying to encourage [TS]

  the the kids who were like interested in [TS]

  doing a thing that you could just start [TS]

  in life like just like just get started [TS]

  like that's it is at the same time like [TS]

  the most useless advice you can possibly [TS]

  give someone and the most true advice [TS]

  that you can possibly give someone right [TS]

  it's like just if you want to try to do [TS]

  a thing like just try to do the thing [TS]

  you know you don't you don't need [TS]

  certification or predestination from [TS]

  from somebody else like you can just you [TS]

  can just give it a go and and and try [TS]

  and repeat and iterate and see what [TS]

  works and see what doesn't work and try [TS]

  to follow the path that seem like [TS]

  they're more promising than the paths [TS]

  that are less promising and yeah I think [TS]

  that that is the big difference like the [TS]

  difference between someone who tries [TS]

  anything at all and doesn't try anything [TS]

  is it's just like infinite like so you [TS]

  just just give it a shot it's good [TS]

  advice but it's such a nice it really is [TS]

  yeah like I know how it I know how it [TS]

  feels to hear that from people it's like [TS]

  the same one as when someone says how do [TS]

  I grow my youtube channel or podcast and [TS]

  the answer is keep making great things [TS]

  yeah right it is good advice but the [TS]

  worst advice yeah it or or it's like [TS]

  Nike telling you that with regards to [TS]

  exercise just do it I am like go fuck [TS]

  yourself Nike oh yeah like I know I know [TS]

  how the feels right but that is at the [TS]

  same time as like well I guess they're [TS]

  not wrong about like you know going for [TS]

  a run I guess I just have to do it right [TS]

  but like no one don't want to hear for [TS]

  me right like I've got it yeah exactly [TS]

  yeah it doesn't help that that's still [TS]

  telling you to just do it yeah and and [TS]

  and it is it is strange to be in the [TS]

  situation where I remember being on the [TS]

  other side [TS]

  that like I remember being the student [TS]

  and hearing other people say this kind [TS]

  of thing and so then it's weird being on [TS]

  the opposite side be like no but for [TS]

  realsies yeah like you really just you [TS]

  really just have to register YouTube [TS]

  account and just try but but that is the [TS]

  truth like I still have like really [TS]

  strong feelings like emotional feelings [TS]

  of memories too like when I was trying [TS]

  to make something of myself and I would [TS]

  see people like overtake me mm-hmm [TS]

  and it was like why did I get to you [TS]

  know and you know we're at the point [TS]

  where I feel like I was good enough and [TS]

  I felt like people with equal skill to [TS]

  me were having more success and and it [TS]

  was I remember feeling like why is this [TS]

  happening you know I remember all that [TS]

  stuff there's like a conversation that [TS]

  goes around all the time about like how [TS]

  much of success is the result of like [TS]

  hard work and how much of it is luck [TS]

  right and this is like conversation that [TS]

  happens all the time and you know people [TS]

  say like oh it's it's it's all luck [TS]

  right or it's all hard work it's [TS]

  obviously some combination of the two [TS]

  yeah and I think you can drive yourself [TS]

  crazy because you can see situations [TS]

  like like what you're just describing [TS]

  there where you Mike are trying to get [TS]

  started and you can see people who you [TS]

  think have the same level of skill as [TS]

  you surpassing you and at a certain [TS]

  level like yeah how successful someone [TS]

  is does largely come down to a question [TS]

  of luck like it definitely does but [TS]

  regardless of that you have to work to [TS]

  put yourself into a position where you [TS]

  can be exposed to lucky situations yep [TS]

  right and so when someone says like oh [TS]

  it's all it's all just luck right if [TS]

  people do well in the world or not it's [TS]

  like well nobody gets lucky by sitting [TS]

  on a couch all day doing nothing all [TS]

  right like that happened to nobody even [TS]

  the people you suspect may have done [TS]

  very little to get their successes like [TS]

  they've done more than you think and so [TS]

  that's why the you have to just make a [TS]

  youtube channel or you have to just [TS]

  start with the podcast or you have to [TS]

  just start your project on the side [TS]

  whatever it is [TS]

  that that's why that is the most [TS]

  important thing because it puts you in a [TS]

  position to potentially be lucky and and [TS]

  that's the big difference like that that [TS]

  is what can make all of the difference [TS]

  yeah and even if luck is what gets you [TS]

  there it's hard work that keeps you [TS]

  there right like you can be lucky I can [TS]

  it kind of goes around right like hard [TS]

  work ish to the place that you need to [TS]

  be to be lucky but then you can't ride [TS]

  the luck then in some ways have to work [TS]

  harder because you're in a place now [TS]

  yeah you have to do maintenance on it as [TS]

  well like it's a it's a little feedback [TS]

  cycle but I I get I get bothered by it [TS]

  sometimes because when I see people say [TS]

  like Oh success is entirely dependent on [TS]

  luck and say well that sounds like a [TS]

  great excuse to do nothing is what that [TS]

  sounds like right like that's kind of [TS]

  that's kind of what you're telling [TS]

  yourself like oh if I sit here and never [TS]

  start any side projects [TS]

  maybe I'll just be lucky like Steve Jobs [TS]

  like I think it's gonna happen right [TS]

  that the way this works was be lucky I [TS]

  don't know yeah he was para doesn't [TS]

  thrown in with some brief thoughts on [TS]

  how to cortex has changed their life [TS]

  I found the show in the late summer in [TS]

  2015 when I was drowning work because [TS]

  one fifth of our department was out on [TS]

  maternity leave and I was picking up a [TS]

  lot of the slack it was too much and I [TS]

  was too unorganized and into compound [TS]

  matters some RSI problems were occurring [TS]

  I think that I'd already jumped to a Mac [TS]

  and I was certainly on an iPhone at this [TS]

  point but I wasn't all-in on Apple and I [TS]

  wasn't really thinking about workflow [TS]

  and productivity in the terms the grain [TS]

  might presented it I then bought my [TS]

  first iPad bought another iPhone bullpen [TS]

  tablet Mac's at home as well as work [TS]

  much more careful and thoughtful use of [TS]

  email calendaring rules iOS notes tasks [TS]

  list of under lists workflow the whole [TS]

  nine yards cortex helped me get [TS]

  organized during a difficult time and [TS]

  sent habits that served me well ever [TS]

  since and made the transition to a new [TS]

  job much easier well congratulations [TS]

  guess it's someone who maybe used some [TS]

  of our email knowledge did they mention [TS]

  email in there I don't even think they [TS]

  did like thoughtful years of email okay [TS]

  all right there you go [TS]

  you have something to hang your head on [TS]

  this does remind me about RSI stuff the [TS]

  Wacom tablet has become so indispensable [TS]

  for me over time there we go [TS]

  yeah I mean I couldn't imagine using a [TS]

  desktop computer [TS]

  No yeah see that's it's one of those [TS]

  things like once you start using it as [TS]

  as your main input device you feel like [TS]

  how do I ever use a computer before this [TS]

  yeah it really is awesome I recommend [TS]

  people try out and remember set the [TS]

  settings to pen mode it's very important [TS]

  that you do that the one-to-one mapping [TS]

  of the screen to the tablet is very [TS]

  important you're not gonna like it at [TS]

  first but trust us is your way to go the [TS]

  only way to go [TS]

  I do continue to really like the combo [TS]

  of the Wacom and the Magic Trackpad [TS]

  mm-hm like that really works for me so I [TS]

  kind of operate a Mac with two hands [TS]

  you've got to make a video of that for [TS]

  your vlog one day so you can actually [TS]

  just show people what you're talking [TS]

  about yeah is this is this reminds me of [TS]

  when people asked me to make like a [TS]

  video about making a show like recording [TS]

  like everything that goes into making a [TS]

  podcast mm-hmm and I'm like I don't [TS]

  think you know how boring that would be [TS]

  to watch [TS]

  that falls squarely in that that pocket [TS]

  I think no but Mike you're you're a [TS]

  vlogger now you have to use use tricks [TS]

  like you have some exciting music you do [TS]

  a bunch of rapid cuts fireworks yeah and [TS]

  you make assembling a podcast look like [TS]

  it's an exciting event as opposed to [TS]

  just hours of silence I guess that's the [TS]

  challenge right how can I do that how [TS]

  can I make it look like my work is [TS]

  really interesting every moment yeah [TS]

  yeah that's what that's what you're [TS]

  doing you're painting a picture of your [TS]

  life which is not accurate at all I [TS]

  don't know when I'm gonna do this but I [TS]

  accept the challenge [TS]

  I will make it work it'll be like 25 [TS]

  seconds long that's how I do it a bunch [TS]

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  show and relay FM blue apron a better [TS]

  way to cook Jon created some artwork to [TS]

  show off how the show has changed things [TS]

  for him and I have included a link in [TS]

  our show notes for this week's episode [TS]

  so you can go and look at the artwork I [TS]

  like this I would say that the one thing [TS]

  that's changed for Jon if not before is [TS]

  just general look is a lot like me you [TS]

  know [TS]

  bearded and glasses so Bravo on that one [TS]

  to start with you're always trying to [TS]

  infect people with your beards some [TS]

  things that have changed for Jon [TS]

  checklists are in there we can see [TS]

  checklists [TS]

  reviews to like performing reviews which [TS]

  I know is is a big thing for you you [TS]

  still unseasonal [TS]

  yeah I still like seasonal seasonal okay [TS]

  being packed up for a trip in advance [TS]

  something that we both believe in quite [TS]

  strongly redundant bags on [TS]

  that another person listening to Girl [TS]

  Talk although their plot they're not [TS]

  listening to all day by looks at the [TS]

  artwork it's one of the other ones now [TS]

  one of the other albums one of the ones [TS]

  you don't believe in and using an iPad [TS]

  pro and Apple pencil fantastic computer [TS]

  oh and I see a one roll of toilet paper [TS]

  means I really have zero rolls of toilet [TS]

  paper this typed away in the corner over [TS]

  there it's a very important life lesson [TS]

  very very important [TS]

  there are a couple of people that wrote [TS]

  in with some of just their favorite [TS]

  things that have happened in the show [TS]

  mm-hmm Brent reminded me of the story [TS]

  when you bought the first iPad pro in [TS]

  London oh god that's so good I don't [TS]

  like to think about that that's that's [TS]

  that's such a good episode I'll put a [TS]

  link to that episode [TS]

  Jonas is so funny when you were just [TS]

  like having the most unsee GP grey [TS]

  experience of your life yeah that it was [TS]

  great all of the interaction so close to [TS]

  meeting Tim Cook I'm glad everybody [TS]

  enjoyed that but mostly for me it felt [TS]

  like why has God made my life so hard [TS]

  just you deserve it now this is a name [TS]

  that like if I say this name I'm gonna [TS]

  be performing the cardinal sin of [TS]

  triggering Amazon echoes mm-hmm so I [TS]

  can't say it it's you're too sensitive [TS]

  about this Mike all right there we go [TS]

  then sorry everyone you just say Alexa [TS]

  no no don't do that you can't throw them [TS]

  in there no you can no you can't throw [TS]

  them in there like that yeah you say [TS]

  Alexa subscribe me to see GP gray [TS]

  alright and then that's that's how that [TS]

  works [TS]

  okay Alexis says oh no mine is not gone [TS]

  off it was making a flashing light I [TS]

  thought it was gonna get me but it [TS]

  didn't get me [TS]

  they now have backups of everything and [TS]

  two is one one is none people still say [TS]

  that to me all the time you know see [TS]

  it's it's a catchy it's a catchy phrase [TS]

  it is it is you created that phrase [TS]

  right no that's not that's not right [TS]

  that's not how that works [TS]

  no okay the popularizer of the phrase [TS]

  right this is I still can't remember [TS]

  what the feedback was what was it like [TS]

  my impression was it was originally a [TS]

  military phrase but maybe am somewhere [TS]

  else I think it's a military [TS]

  but maybe it's you know like you go back [TS]

  to the Pharaoh's tomb in Egypt and [TS]

  they're like oh one pyramid is okay but [TS]

  two pyramids is better like yet we might [TS]

  just have been like a very old phrase [TS]

  yeah that that happens like those things [TS]

  were like oh Shakespeare wrote an emoji [TS]

  right like it ups of things this you [TS]

  know like they come back to gay I do [TS]

  think about that quite a lot too is one [TS]

  one is none that made a big impact [TS]

  impact on my life it's important why [TS]

  don't we talk about what we have learned [TS]

  from the show what did you learn from [TS]

  cortex Mike I think one of the biggest [TS]

  changes in my life as I alluded to [TS]

  earlier is the multi pad lifestyle [TS]

  mm-hmm being a person who not only uses [TS]

  the iPad primarily but multiple I know [TS]

  many people that use the iPad not many [TS]

  people understand multi pad I feel like [TS]

  we're a persecuted bunch we persecuted [TS]

  misunderstood group right that's the [TS]

  multi iPad lifestyle people I've kind of [TS]

  settled into how I use mine more now hmm [TS]

  I tend to use the large iPad pro at home [TS]

  and the smaller iPad pro when I'm out of [TS]

  the home hmm interesting [TS]

  I find the smaller iPad pro is easier to [TS]

  travel with right because it's smaller [TS]

  and I used a Logitech create keyboard [TS]

  case which is a vastly superior keyboard [TS]

  case to apples mmm but on the big iPad [TS]

  pro it's just too big and heavy like [TS]

  it's just not very nice to use so even [TS]

  though I keep that large iPad pro at [TS]

  home I just don't like the case on the [TS]

  big iPad pro it just it it kind of ruins [TS]

  it for me a bit to be honest but on the [TS]

  smaller one is perfect as backlit keys [TS]

  and everything and I really really like [TS]

  it for that I just I just think that's [TS]

  funny because that's the exact opposite [TS]

  of what I do like my smaller iPad is the [TS]

  home one and the bigger one is the go [TS]

  outside one interesting and I actually [TS]

  just had you know again one of these one [TS]

  of these days where it feels like oh [TS]

  this is this is a really nice use of [TS]

  technology where I just I just went out [TS]

  intentionally just for the morning and I [TS]

  only brought like I didn't bring my [TS]

  backpack I didn't bring anything I just [TS]

  grabbed the iPad pro and like walk [TS]

  through the park and then sat at cafe [TS]

  and did some work I ended up just [TS]

  spending the whole day out doing work at [TS]

  various locations and there's one these [TS]

  pecans were just felt really nice so [TS]

  like oh I have this clipboard sign [TS]

  thing that is a functional [TS]

  general-purpose computer and I can I [TS]

  feel like I can just grab it and just go [TS]

  out and be relatively unencumbered and [TS]

  not have to have anything else and it's [TS]

  really nice to work that way it really [TS]

  is there is one thing that might kind of [TS]

  help dictate that my choice here which [TS]

  is that my smaller iPad is the one that [TS]

  has an LTE connection okay well yeah [TS]

  that's going to make a difference so [TS]

  that that is another reason why I use [TS]

  that one for travel more than than the [TS]

  big one you know if we ever get the iPad [TS]

  that we want the 10-inch one that kind [TS]

  of sits between the middle of them I [TS]

  wonder if and how things might change [TS]

  for us because you know that's a small [TS]

  iPad of many of the benefits of the big [TS]

  one such as the rumors but I don't think [TS]

  Apple's ever making new product so it's [TS]

  not a problem [TS]

  time tracking and deciding hourly rates [TS]

  has been a big thing for me not so much [TS]

  a big thing for all of our listeners but [TS]

  I told you a couple of weeks ago that [TS]

  whilst I have not done anything as [TS]

  scientific as you I have sat down and [TS]

  worked out from a basic perspective what [TS]

  I own from the work that I do I will buy [TS]

  our I'm not gonna lie I feel like this [TS]

  is a major accomplishment on my part cuz [TS]

  I have been bullying you about this yeah [TS]

  since before we started cortex right [TS]

  like since probably since the first time [TS]

  I met you into like oh you got to do [TS]

  this you've got to work out what your [TS]

  hourly rate is it informed a couple of [TS]

  small changes for me mmm small as in not [TS]

  huge things but they've make either [TS]

  making a big impact mmm it's just [TS]

  getting myself some time back for stuff [TS]

  that I was making barely no money for I [TS]

  was very interested that like most of my [TS]

  recording falls have been arranged like [TS]

  all of the shows that I do who fall [TS]

  within a range which I'm happy with I [TS]

  didn't really have many really big [TS]

  outliers but I plan to revisit this more [TS]

  scientifically at some point in the [TS]

  future but I just wanted to sit down one [TS]

  day I had some spare time and just like [TS]

  pull up a couple of episodes below a pen [TS]

  and paper and just just scribble some [TS]

  numbers down and I was pleased by what I [TS]

  found honestly [TS]

  one of the reasons that I've avoided [TS]

  doing this as I thought it was going to [TS]

  expose some horrific truths yeah you [TS]

  were expecting to be made very sad yeah [TS]

  but it turns out that it's it's not as [TS]

  bad as I thought it was going to be [TS]

  maybe if I do some real scientific [TS]

  tracking I will learn something [TS]

  different [TS]

  but just my back of the envelope math [TS]

  was good yeah but I thought that's all [TS]

  anybody needs right it's just just a [TS]

  back-of-the-envelope calculation just [TS]

  just to give you some vague boundary to [TS]

  think about I know I get I think [TS]

  everybody imagines that I'm I'm like [TS]

  calculating this down to the second into [TS]

  the penny but it's like you don't need [TS]

  it that precise right you just need like [TS]

  a one significant figure number right [TS]

  just to have as a ballpark for when [TS]

  you're thinking about making decisions a [TS]

  lot of the stuff that I've learned and a [TS]

  lot of stuff that I've moved with his [TS]

  stuff that we've kind of come to a [TS]

  decision together or we've worked on [TS]

  something in a way that we're moving [TS]

  together towards something you know and [TS]

  I think a lot of the iPad stuff is that [TS]

  way I think the thing that has made the [TS]

  biggest impact on my life is something [TS]

  that you have taught me which is that [TS]

  work should be able to happen without [TS]

  you and this has made the single biggest [TS]

  impact on my life over the last two [TS]

  years and that comes in sometimes in the [TS]

  sense of automation which is fine and [TS]

  that's that's great but the biggest one [TS]

  is hiring someone and having somebody [TS]

  who helps you having an assistant [TS]

  it hasn't been very long that I've had [TS]

  an assistant it's maybe a couple of [TS]

  months if that but the change this is [TS]

  made on my life I cannot even begin to [TS]

  describe to you you don't you don't have [TS]

  to describe because I understand like I [TS]

  completely understand its massive it's [TS]

  just massive the amount of hours that [TS]

  I'm saving they're not like 50 hours a [TS]

  week right I'm saving a handful of hours [TS]

  at the moment and it's increasing over [TS]

  time as we're learning which and what [TS]

  things will be given to my assistant [TS]

  mm-hmm but it's just what it's doing for [TS]

  my general mental state mmm is fantastic [TS]

  it's so good I'm so happy to hear this [TS]

  and I also just want to take this moment [TS]

  to to stress that this is this is [TS]

  connect [TS]

  did to the previous thing about having [TS]

  an ID like a ballpark idea about what [TS]

  your time is worth per hour [TS]

  because this is like having someone to [TS]

  help you with anything you don't have to [TS]

  be running like a gigantic youtube [TS]

  channel or a podcasting empire in order [TS]

  to be able to do this like if you just [TS]

  know what your time is worth the only [TS]

  question then becomes like are there [TS]

  people who can help you with things for [TS]

  less than that many dollars per hour and [TS]

  if the answer is yes then you might want [TS]

  to consider this and I think I think [TS]

  I've told you I don't know if I've [TS]

  actually told you this or not but like I [TS]

  when I was a teacher I came very very [TS]

  close to shipping my students homework [TS]

  to India to have it marked did have it [TS]

  shipped back no you not told me this [TS]

  yeah okay so I like I came very very [TS]

  close to doing it in the end I decided [TS]

  not to not because it wasn't a brilliant [TS]

  idea and and my ROI calculation said [TS]

  that this totally made sense in terms of [TS]

  like how much would it cost me how long [TS]

  could it take to get it overnighted to [TS]

  India like to have it returned right and [TS]

  like I was I was trying to think about [TS]

  all of this these kind of things like [TS]

  how to make this work I was like I had I [TS]

  had it all like ready to go but then I [TS]

  but then I realized like I will be fired [TS]

  immediately like if anybody finds out [TS]

  that I have done this right this is [TS]

  you'd never be able to get a job again [TS]

  and teaching you'd be done yeah that was [TS]

  the reason I was like you know what this [TS]

  is too far it's like I have lots of [TS]

  little tricks as a teacher that I'm [TS]

  using to save time but this but this is [TS]

  one where it's like there's there's a [TS]

  downside which is essentially like an [TS]

  insta-kill downside and that was thing [TS]

  like man if sucked like if some truck in [TS]

  India turns over and all the homework is [TS]

  lost like I'm like right now I'm in real [TS]

  trouble so I didn't actually do it but [TS]

  it didn't change the fact that like when [TS]

  I was a teacher I did have some small [TS]

  stuff that I was I was outsourcing right [TS]

  through overseas outsourcing companies [TS]

  like to just have people help me with [TS]

  stuff all right and it was like it's [TS]

  super cheap and it get worked in my [TS]

  favor and so like this is this is not [TS]

  just like you're running a successful [TS]

  podcast and [TS]

  this is what this is why like I think [TS]

  it's really important to know how much [TS]

  is your time worth so that you can think [TS]

  about having somebody help you or even [TS]

  just like this is how this is how [TS]

  specialization in the economy works like [TS]

  is there just a service that can be [TS]

  provided that will take less time to do [TS]

  this then you would take to do it like [TS]

  maybe that's worth doing it's just it's [TS]

  like it's such an important way to think [TS]

  about stuff but like III do have to [TS]

  agree with you Mike like it when when [TS]

  you start doing this again it is just [TS]

  like the hiring thing you know we see [TS]

  like oh you always hire too late if [TS]

  you're if you're a business I think it's [TS]

  a similar thing of like getting someone [TS]

  to help you everybody does this too late [TS]

  and when you do it it makes such a such [TS]

  an enormous cognitive difference even if [TS]

  it isn't saving you huge numbers of [TS]

  hours I just know that there are things [TS]

  that I don't really enjoy doing somebody [TS]

  else might Lulu and that's the [TS]

  experience that I've had so far and it's [TS]

  wonderful and the reason that I don't [TS]

  enjoy some of these things as I've done [TS]

  them for nearly three years every week [TS]

  and they were fun initially but after a [TS]

  while the faun wears offs on these tasks [TS]

  and now I don't need to do it anymore [TS]

  or like there were things that I was [TS]

  doing but kids nobody else would or [TS]

  could but then not my skill set and it's [TS]

  somebody else's skill set yeah and [TS]

  there's also a way in which sometimes [TS]

  it's it's easier for somebody else to do [TS]

  a thing because they don't have like an [TS]

  emotional baggage attached to whatever [TS]

  the task is again and this this is also [TS]

  an interesting phenomenon of trying to [TS]

  get people to help you is is you realize [TS]

  like oh for this other person this task [TS]

  is way easier and way faster to do than [TS]

  if it is for me to do because for them [TS]

  it's just a task but for me it's [TS]

  something that's like that comes with [TS]

  emotional baggage oh so yeah like or [TS]

  I've been doing this for so long or like [TS]

  oh this is a thing that I just don't [TS]

  want to think about and for the other [TS]

  person like it has none of those [TS]

  connotations yeah a lot of this stuff [TS]

  gets done faster because I was putting [TS]

  it off yeah yeah that has been my [TS]

  experience is there's a whole category [TS]

  of things [TS]

  that it's not like I couldn't do them [TS]

  but if I [TS]

  but if I [TS]

  had to be the person who would do it I [TS]

  just know they would never happen and [TS]

  and so that makes a huge difference I've [TS]

  learned that they will never be a [TS]

  perfect email app no Mike you gotta hold [TS]

  out hope now right [TS]

  I've given up no I still have home I [TS]

  still given up I've given up gray there [TS]

  will never be a perfect email app [TS]

  because any email app that seems like [TS]

  it's gonna be amazing [TS]

  even nobody wants to buy it or somebody [TS]

  buys in shuts it down but gets it right [TS]

  there's two outcomes get it gets bought [TS]

  or it doesn't get bought and both of [TS]

  them end in misery yeah [TS]

  there's no good there's just no good [TS]

  solution for email and the one that I've [TS]

  settled on is fine but every now and [TS]

  then I send an email and the app crashes [TS]

  and I don't know it's crashed and emails [TS]

  never sent you know yeah so like I now [TS]

  have a new habit of checking their [TS]

  emails of sin which it is so annoying to [TS]

  have to do that but this app does like [TS]

  90 percent of the other things I needed [TS]

  to do but like the ten percent that it [TS]

  doesn't do what does badly it does [TS]

  really badly so there's never gonna be a [TS]

  perfect email app they just want they [TS]

  and I've come to I'm just come to accept [TS]

  it I'm not upset about it anymore I'm [TS]

  not angry I'm in the acceptance stage [TS]

  I'm still gonna hold out hope but it [TS]

  might be a rational hope I've learned [TS]

  that making YouTube videos is [TS]

  interesting yeah you're still enjoying [TS]

  that I am good my kind of feeling [TS]

  towards like how often I make videos and [TS]

  why has changed right as kind of the [TS]

  initial excitement has worn off like [TS]

  I've realized that I would very quickly [TS]

  if just started making very very boring [TS]

  videos if I kept up with the pace that I [TS]

  was keeping up with so like I've kind of [TS]

  settled in to to doing them the way that [TS]

  I want to when I want to and kind of I [TS]

  think I'm trying to do one a month I've [TS]

  been a bit late because of my travel but [TS]

  I'm currently making like a really big [TS]

  travel vlog which might be out kind of [TS]

  around the time that this episode goes [TS]

  out because I basically been traveling [TS]

  for the entire month of April so I'm [TS]

  making one big vlog for that and I have [TS]

  some ideas for some other videos that I [TS]

  want to do that based at home as well as [TS]

  travel and stuff but I I'm still feel [TS]

  like I'm really playing around with this [TS]

  and trying to work out what it is for me [TS]

  so kind of not put [TS]

  all of my time into thinking of this [TS]

  stuff is turn out to be the right thing [TS]

  for me honestly oh good [TS]

  uh uh you know I enjoy your vlogs yeah I [TS]

  like it when they come out it's it's [TS]

  interesting to see and I've said it's [TS]

  interesting to see them change over time [TS]

  and like I also find it just interesting [TS]

  it's like oh I you're a person I know [TS]

  starting down like this path and seeing [TS]

  things change over time whereas in any [TS]

  of the other vloggers or YouTube people [TS]

  that I watch it feels like they have [TS]

  just always existed like they've always [TS]

  just been around and so it's interesting [TS]

  to see you begin this from the ground up [TS]

  yeah I've gotten that time a comment of [TS]

  that kind from from a bunch of people on [TS]

  YouTube you know just say that they can [TS]

  see a progression and usually you don't [TS]

  yeah right usually you see someone when [TS]

  they're established yeah that's been [TS]

  interesting for me and it's also been [TS]

  one of the reasons that I'm being a [TS]

  little bit more considerate about what [TS]

  I'm doing mm-hmm because there are [TS]

  people there whilst I'm still trying to [TS]

  work out what the hell's going on now [TS]

  I've taken a more CGP grey approach to [TS]

  my youtube channel then a my curly [TS]

  approach to it honestly disappointing [TS]

  you know the most the most important [TS]

  thing uh-huh with YouTube channels is [TS]

  having a regular schedule and it just it [TS]

  seems like that's what this game [TS]

  streaming right it's everyday no was it [TS]

  every day a o'clock or something that's [TS]

  just the general thing that's what is [TS]

  the work every day don't try to turn [TS]

  this around Mike every day a p.m. CGP [TS]

  play get your streams on like haven't [TS]

  you haven't you read the YouTube guide [TS]

  to making great content on YouTube and [TS]

  like number one thing is a schedule [TS]

  every every every week it's gonna be a [TS]

  new Mike early episode you got to train [TS]

  the audience that they know to tune in [TS]

  at 7 p.m. [TS]

  tell you what we'll get on it together [TS]

  and we'll or cross-promote right every [TS]

  week we'll both be there 7 p.m. Eastern [TS]

  Time go to see GP play you'll get your [TS]

  streams and you really try quickly and [TS]

  get you trying to push the slugs that's [TS]

  what people can look out for there might [TS]

  never be a stream again I don't know why [TS]

  you're trying to push this you bold [TS]

  software that's going to finish dreaming [TS]

  like I said that tells you nothing tells [TS]

  you nothing are why my friend ROI I [TS]

  think overall is well one of the things [TS]

  that cortex has done for me is to allow [TS]

  me to enjoy my work more because I am [TS]

  more considerate about new projects and [TS]

  more considerate about her way up my [TS]

  time [TS]

  and I've decided and learned to put [TS]

  focus in the things that I like doing [TS]

  and optimize my way out with the things [TS]

  that I don't know what about you me Mike [TS]

  uh-huh [TS]

  well come on don't be this well don't [TS]

  play like that [TS]

  no no no what like so like here's the [TS]

  interesting thing I saw this in the show [TS]

  notes when I was looking at this a [TS]

  couple hours ago tried to get ready for [TS]

  the show and I was I was trying to think [TS]

  about things I was like okay what have I [TS]

  learned from the show and I wrote down [TS]

  my clay the first bullet point thing [TS]

  that popped into my I was like oh I've [TS]

  learned about web api's right which [TS]

  without the show I would never I think I [TS]

  never would have gone down the kind of [TS]

  path to think about that as much and [TS]

  recognize this as a kind of important [TS]

  programmers tool that that's useful to [TS]

  have but then like I was like okay well [TS]

  that's one thing but but I feel like [TS]

  okay so I can name something in [TS]

  particular but in one way I don't think [TS]

  that's super interesting because what I [TS]

  feel like I have learned is that this [TS]

  show is not a Productivity show at all [TS]

  uh-oh that's not really what this is [TS]

  Mike I think it's the thing that we [TS]

  touched upon a few episodes ago this [TS]

  idea of like an ongoing conversation [TS]

  about working and stuff in our lives [TS]

  like shows always have to kind of like [TS]

  find what they are and I think that's [TS]

  what this show is like in a very funny [TS]

  way I was thinking about it earlier [TS]

  today and I was realizing like oh this [TS]

  show has become what in retrospect seems [TS]

  very obvious which is it is an extension [TS]

  of our lunches that we use to meet up [TS]

  for yeah in London before we're doing [TS]

  the show mm-hmm all right which thinking [TS]

  back upon it it's like all right of [TS]

  course [TS]

  we're doing sort of exactly what we used [TS]

  to do except just over lunch but now [TS]

  we're doing we're doing it with an [TS]

  audience presence and with an audience [TS]

  that is interactive in some way giving [TS]

  us feedback and one that we're talking [TS]

  to it kind of makes sense because it was [TS]

  the conversations we were having over [TS]

  those lunches which was what made me [TS]

  think that it could be interesting for [TS]

  us to have a show together right yeah [TS]

  that that's that's why that's why you [TS]

  start to pursue me and as intensely as [TS]

  you did yep to lock me down into this [TS]

  contract a long-term deal for a very [TS]

  long-term deal but what I think is [TS]

  interesting about that is it's like it's [TS]

  just going back to what we're saying [TS]

  before going back to all of this [TS]

  feedback from people about the 50th [TS]

  episode that a thing doesn't need to be [TS]

  explicitly about productivity in order [TS]

  to be helpful it just means like the for [TS]

  the listeners and for us is like we're [TS]

  coming together and we're sort of [TS]

  discussing in general ways our working [TS]

  lives sometimes it's in very specific [TS]

  details sometimes it's broad overview [TS]

  sometimes we're just sort of goofing off [TS]

  but it's like vaguely related to work [TS]

  but not really but what matters is this [TS]

  conversation that loops back upon itself [TS]

  and so it's very hard for me to say like [TS]

  what have I specifically learned from [TS]

  the show I have a hard time coming up [TS]

  with exact bullet points but I know [TS]

  without any doubt that because of this [TS]

  show I have been much more mindful of my [TS]

  work in a whole bunch of ways over the [TS]

  past two years then I would have been [TS]

  without it and I hope that for listeners [TS]

  of the show they have that same [TS]

  experience that if we're talking about [TS]

  time tracking and you find that that is [TS]

  totally irrelevant to your life the [TS]

  detail of that doesn't matter so much as [TS]

  if you're listening to the show on a [TS]

  regular basis it is a reminder for for [TS]

  you to be mindful of the way that you [TS]

  work as well so I feel [TS]

  it's it's almost like a metal lesson [TS]

  here that the thing doesn't need to be [TS]

  about productivity to be in some sense [TS]

  productive and and that's that's what [TS]

  this is like you and I were kind of [TS]

  having lunches together again but with a [TS]

  larger group of people that's what this [TS]

  show is [TS]

  get me little emotional over here don't [TS]

  cry Mike I'll try not to okay that'd be [TS]

  really embarrassing we'd have to cut [TS]

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  before we wrap up today I wanna I want [TS]

  to address our poor last episode that [TS]

  poor little episode it didn't do nothing [TS]

  wrong to be fair that was entirely my [TS]

  fault [TS]

  yeah well you know these things um we [TS]

  spent a lot of time on the last episode [TS]

  talking about oh look we were unhappy at [TS]

  the rate at which Apple was producing [TS]

  new products hmm I think like maybe a [TS]

  couple of days after that episode went [TS]

  out Apple KITT went on record about the [TS]

  fact that they're working on a new Mac [TS]

  Pro and and they kind of broke from [TS]

  tradition to actually explicitly address [TS]

  a product that they had in the works [TS]

  so this all came out during the time [TS]

  between the episode being recorded and [TS]

  being released what this did allow me to [TS]

  do was go in and cut out the moments [TS]

  where we explicitly said they should [TS]

  just tell us they're working on a new [TS]

  Mac Pro so I did get to do that at least [TS]

  whoo but unfortunately this is one of [TS]

  those times where this doesn't happen [TS]

  very often for us but where something [TS]

  may change in between recording and [TS]

  release mmm so it did make me want to [TS]

  just address this with you a little bit [TS]

  to catch everybody up Apple had a [TS]

  journal have a bunch of journalists come [TS]

  to them to see them at the offices and [TS]

  they went through it through a few [TS]

  things and they kind of accepted blame [TS]

  as much as they would then leaked that [TS]

  the Mac Pro that is currently for sale [TS]

  is not good and that they designed the [TS]

  way that they designed it was was [TS]

  suboptimal to the point where they [TS]

  couldn't update it in a way that people [TS]

  needed and that they're working on a new [TS]

  Mac Pro and they have really powerful [TS]

  iMacs coming later this year and we're [TS]

  probably going to see this new Mac Pro [TS]

  maybe next year they don't really give a [TS]

  timeframe on it but basically said not [TS]

  this year yeah interesting phrasing yeah [TS]

  because it's I mean from everything that [TS]

  we've seen and everything that I've [TS]

  heard this changed that Apple actually [TS]

  working on a new Mac Pro has was very [TS]

  recent to them bring in those [TS]

  journalists and and they basically were [TS]

  like right now we decided to do this we [TS]

  need to curb [TS]

  current rhetoric that when we don't care [TS]

  about professional users anymore hmm [TS]

  so I wonder you were definitely harsher [TS]

  than me um in your feelings about this [TS]

  like I I kind of said on the episode I [TS]

  just want to see some kind of torch from [TS]

  them and I'll believe that they actually [TS]

  do care mmm and you were basically like [TS]

  no I need multiple years of proof so I [TS]

  wonder if this has changed your feelings [TS]

  at all about the way the evil Apple is [TS]

  treating you as a professional user of [TS]

  its products well on the one hand I [TS]

  think this is it is really funny because [TS]

  this is the kind of thing that I never [TS]

  really thought Apple would ever do well [TS]

  no this this completely bucks [TS]

  all trends you know and what we I think [TS]

  I brought this up on the last episode [TS]

  that Apple is a a company of traditions [TS]

  and schedules and then not anymore [TS]

  and so they're breaking a lot of what we [TS]

  know them to be and this is one another [TS]

  example of that where Apple never talks [TS]

  about future products and you know now [TS]

  they have to the point like so early [TS]

  they don't even have anything to show if [TS]

  they ever talk about a future product [TS]

  it's ready to show you but it's just not [TS]

  shipping yet this is like we haven't [TS]

  even got design for this thing but we [TS]

  can tell you we're doing it yeah yeah [TS]

  it's so early that the impression that I [TS]

  get is it's like we actually just have a [TS]

  whiteboard somewhere we decided that [TS]

  this was a thing that we were going to [TS]

  do there's a Trello board we know that [TS]

  much yeah outside of that we have no mic [TS]

  but that's what it feels like yeah [TS]

  it's like has a physical thing happened [TS]

  anywhere in the world I suspect maybe [TS]

  not right but um but it's also a thing [TS]

  that in in retrospect I was thinking [TS]

  about is I think it's a really sensible [TS]

  decision because they're talking about a [TS]

  future product for such a relatively [TS]

  small portion of their overall user base [TS]

  yeah that what does it matter right it [TS]

  doesn't because those people were buying [TS]

  it no matter what [TS]

  right the exact reason Apple keeps their [TS]

  secrecy is so they can have their big [TS]

  reveals of their products where the [TS]

  whole message [TS]

  controlled yeah but with something like [TS]

  this the market is so small and that [TS]

  markets buying it no matter what it is [TS]

  because they need it yeah and and so you [TS]

  like it [TS]

  is interesting to think about like oh it [TS]

  never occurred to me but yeah for [TS]

  particularly the MacPro subsection of [TS]

  the market like why not just give them a [TS]

  release schedule all right why not just [TS]

  just say here's our here's our whole [TS]

  roadmap for this project and it hurts [TS]

  them not at all really like there's [TS]

  there's no way it's going to be some big [TS]

  seller if they have an amazing surprise [TS]

  like this doesn't affect anything [TS]

  whereas for the iPhone and the iPad you [TS]

  can see that it makes sense that Apple [TS]

  wants to have some some sort of drama [TS]

  around the release events so I would say [TS]

  like I felt like oh this is good I would [TS]

  hope that maybe it's not just a one-time [TS]

  thing like oh god we effed up so bad [TS]

  this time we really have to go on record [TS]

  like yeah maybe this is a thing that you [TS]

  guys can just do with this narrow [TS]

  section of the proline and and save [TS]

  yourself a whole lot of grumbling from [TS]

  the peanut gallery yeah and and so I [TS]

  think that's that's a totally fine thing [TS]

  all that said oh it doesn't you have not [TS]

  pleased me right yeah I am I'm still I'm [TS]

  still sitting here upon my throne of [TS]

  judgment unmoved because this is still [TS]

  just words you know reading over the [TS]

  transcript it feels a bit like we [TS]

  decided last Tuesday we got to change [TS]

  direction and I still stand by [TS]

  everything I said in the last episode [TS]

  which is you know even if Apple releases [TS]

  everything I could possibly hope for in [TS]

  my heart of hearts this year I'm still [TS]

  not going to feel good about it until I [TS]

  see that there are regular updates you [TS]

  know and it's really funny actually you [TS]

  know just talking about when when we [TS]

  started this show was just before iOS 9 [TS]

  which was the operating system that [TS]

  really kicked off everything being Pro [TS]

  it's like oh wait a minute like when I [TS]

  try to think like oh how long have I [TS]

  been doing this show the answer is feels [TS]

  like I've been doing it forever it's [TS]

  like oh yes and that's how long I've [TS]

  been using the terrible multitasker [TS]

  switcher on iOS as well right it's for [TS]

  the entire length of this show I feel [TS]

  like an implicit [TS]

  part of software is the promise of [TS]

  iteration and and like and that's what I [TS]

  want to see and that's what will make me [TS]

  feel better because even if I get an [TS]

  amazing gigantic iPad pro and the new [TS]

  operating system has a dark mode and has [TS]

  everything I could possibly want and you [TS]

  can do multi multi tasking of [TS]

  multitasking inside of your multitasking [TS]

  even if it has all of that I'm going to [TS]

  be sitting there with the feeling of [TS]

  like okay but do I have to expect that [TS]

  the way it works today is the way I'm [TS]

  going to have to use it for the next two [TS]

  years like that that's the thing that I [TS]

  want to feel like has has changed right [TS]

  and and that's also why not to get into [TS]

  the whole thing again but just briefly [TS]

  like that's also why the workflow [TS]

  acquisition concerns me because now we [TS]

  also know that workflow there's benefits [TS]

  like officially they're not going to [TS]

  update it anymore and so whatever is [TS]

  going to happen there is going to be now [TS]

  involved in Apple's overall production [TS]

  cycle so I feel like I won't feel [TS]

  perfectly calm about this until I can [TS]

  see that we're not going to go through [TS]

  two-year gaps where nothing changes that [TS]

  and but then I'll feel better then I'll [TS]

  feel better I still have a lot of the [TS]

  same feelings from last time and just [TS]

  like my biggest point and it's just that [TS]

  things are different and we need to see [TS]

  how they shake out the schedules have [TS]

  will change everything's different [TS]

  I do feel better that they've gone on [TS]

  record to say that they're renewing [TS]

  their commitment to the professional [TS]

  user that just makes me feel better [TS]

  mmm and it makes me feel better because [TS]

  it's such a none Apple thing to do that [TS]

  it means something to them so much that [TS]

  they decided to do it now rather than [TS]

  wait until WWDC in June when it's the [TS]

  exact same audience that are willing to [TS]

  listen that they thought that it was [TS]

  important enough to get in front of it [TS]

  and to talk about it now so I feel [TS]

  better from there [TS]

  but we've we have a rehashed a little [TS]

  bit what we were talking about last time [TS]

  we [TS]

  brought many people to to question why [TS]

  we are not switching and one thing that [TS]

  was mentioned a lot because we mentioned [TS]

  switching costs and I want to take a [TS]

  moment to establish what we consider [TS]

  switching costs to be switching costs [TS]

  are not financial costs we're not [TS]

  talking about the price of buying an [TS]

  Android tablet and a Windows PC yeah [TS]

  yeah more than anything [TS]

  yeah we really need to emphasize it has [TS]

  the word cost in it but we're not [TS]

  talking about dollars here no and what [TS]

  we're talking about is upheaval is the [TS]

  effect it will have on time the effect [TS]

  that it will have on frustration me and [TS]

  gray really know how to use our Mac's [TS]

  like we really know how to use those we [TS]

  know how to use Final Cut we know how to [TS]

  use logic we know everything about all [TS]

  of the little utilities that we have [TS]

  little cord I don't really know anything [TS]

  about the programs that I would need to [TS]

  use on Windows mm-hm [TS]

  and honestly I don't want to take two [TS]

  weeks out of my business to relearn [TS]

  everything mm-hmm that's the big thing [TS]

  this is what we're talking about here [TS]

  it's the idea of going here is a new [TS]

  thing you haven't used this ever at all [TS]

  or in like 10 years [TS]

  learn it mm-hmm like I don't even really [TS]

  understand how the file structure of [TS]

  Windows works anymore you know like [TS]

  where things get saved and stuff like [TS]

  that because on the Mac a bunch of that [TS]

  stuff just happens automatically now [TS]

  mm-hmm [TS]

  right like your files just get saved for [TS]

  you and you know there's like it's all [TS]

  back topic I know how well it works I'm [TS]

  sure that there are things like this for [TS]

  Windows I'm sure that there are things [TS]

  like this for Android but the thing is [TS]

  we don't know them so if I was to say [TS]

  right I'm switching to Windows I can't [TS]

  produce shows the next day mm-hmm like [TS]

  my business has to shut down why I [TS]

  relearn all of this stuff or I can try [TS]

  and do them together at the same time [TS]

  which is still like there's stuff I [TS]

  can't do if I'm trying to learn it so [TS]

  the switching costs it's just like what [TS]

  it would [TS]

  take for us to have to start again [TS]

  mm-hmm and all of the things that could [TS]

  fall out of that like if I'm trying to [TS]

  learn a new piece of software I'm gonna [TS]

  screw up more and screwing up more has [TS]

  many costs to it like if I'm putting out [TS]

  shows of broken audio in them because [TS]

  I've done something stupid of an [TS]

  application it's going to upset people [TS]

  and it's gonna make people maybe not [TS]

  want to listen to the episode it's gonna [TS]

  make advertisers unhappy because I might [TS]

  screw up something right like there are [TS]

  so many things that can fall out of this [TS]

  because you would effectively be [TS]

  changing our entire pipeline of how our [TS]

  production is mm-hmm and that's a big [TS]

  potential risk therefore that's the [TS]

  switching cost yeah the other thing with [TS]

  switching costs that I think is it is [TS]

  hard to see until you think about it but [TS]

  it is the enormous stock of knowledge [TS]

  you have about a system that you don't [TS]

  even really realize that you have and so [TS]

  like when you've used a platform for 10 [TS]

  years you build up a whole whole [TS]

  compilation of index cards that are [TS]

  filled with little tricks and tips about [TS]

  like oh under this particular situation [TS]

  this thing will make this work a little [TS]

  bit better or like oh I remember this [TS]

  problem I know how to solve this like [TS]

  just give me two seconds and I'll get [TS]

  this done and you just don't realize how [TS]

  much of that is built up whereas every [TS]

  once in a while I have to help my my [TS]

  father with his Windows PC and I am so [TS]

  aware like it is not that that a Windows [TS]

  is like a worse system but it's just [TS]

  like I have no repertoire of knowledge [TS]

  of how to help with any with even like [TS]

  problems that would be the most trivial [TS]

  of problems to solve it's like I have no [TS]

  idea where to start [TS]

  and when you're talking about computers [TS]

  it just it's it's everything right it's [TS]

  how you spend so much of your time doing [TS]

  everything that you do and then like [TS]

  even just as a little example you talk [TS]

  about relearning programs it's like oh [TS]

  yeah that would take some time to do it [TS]

  would take dozens of hours per [TS]

  application but then when you are [TS]

  invested in ecosystem you also know all [TS]

  of these ways [TS]

  to help out what you're doing and so [TS]

  it's like oh when I'm editing stuff in [TS]

  Final Cut like I'm doing some animations [TS]

  there are now plenty of times because I [TS]

  have enough experience doing podcasts [TS]

  that I'll pop the audio out of Final Cut [TS]

  bring it into logic do a bunch of edits [TS]

  and logic and then put it back into [TS]

  Final Cut right I was like okay well now [TS]

  here's a case of it's not like oh I just [TS]

  need to learn relearn the video editing [TS]

  software it's like I also need to [TS]

  relearn the audio editing software right [TS]

  which multiplies out if I want to do [TS]

  videos on a new system how long is it [TS]

  going to take and then there are there [TS]

  are just so many ways that all of the [TS]

  applications that we use connect with [TS]

  each other and and it's a thing that you [TS]

  build up over time and so when we're [TS]

  discussing switching costs I think it's [TS]

  very important for people to understand [TS]

  we're not even really talking about oh [TS]

  it's going to take me a couple dozen [TS]

  hours to relearn a professional program [TS]

  to the speed that I am at now it's like [TS]

  we're talking about literally hundreds [TS]

  and hundreds of hours of time that you [TS]

  would need to invest to get to the same [TS]

  level of proficiency and to have the [TS]

  same number of tools available that can [TS]

  reproduce everything that you do all day [TS]

  long in professional and personal [TS]

  capacities is like that's what the [TS]

  switching cost is right and that's why [TS]

  it is so enormous to move from platform [TS]

  to platform one other one for me a lot [TS]

  of my business a lot of the shows that I [TS]

  make are based around Apple mmm if I [TS]

  switch from Apple can I conduct my [TS]

  business mm-hmm like if I become an [TS]

  Android user the shows where I talk [TS]

  about the iPhone a lot that's going to [TS]

  get a bit more difficult to do yeah [TS]

  that's going to be a big problem for me [TS]

  so the reason that we stick with Apple [TS]

  even we're frustrated with them is [TS]

  because the other option is a nuclear [TS]

  one yeah so when we are just frustrated [TS]

  the beginning of our frustration is not [TS]

  the beginning of the switch right like [TS]

  yeah if we just start [TS]

  get frustrated which we are it's not the [TS]

  time Lulu the frustration must continue [TS]

  for a long period of time before we're [TS]

  willing to make a change so I understand [TS]

  that people listen to us and they find [TS]

  it peculiar [TS]

  and I and also understand I'm sure many [TS]

  people have made that switch but there [TS]

  was a reason for them that compelled [TS]

  them enough and we're not at that point [TS]

  yet we're just now getting to the [TS]

  beginning of a frustration so really [TS]

  let's see how the next 50 episodes go [TS]

  and then we'll work out where we are [TS]

  you're going to take some of these [TS]

  quotes for episode 100 yep when we're [TS]

  both on Windows 12 look how stupid they [TS]

  were they said they would never leave [TS]

  Apple by the way have you seen my Google [TS]

  pixel 12 it's beautiful [TS]

  my surface studio 4 is amazing yeah look [TS]

  at that the the entire desk is a screen [TS]

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