Hello Internet

H.I. #79: From Russia with Love


  do you remember how to do this according

  to the way we're setting up no I don't

  remember how to do this do you know what

  you setting up took a while and you

  stuffed up a few things and you had to

  reboot and all that sort of stuff

  but in the scheme of things that was

  still pretty smooth for you Thank You

  Brady I'll take that as a compliment I

  guess you're not very good at it

  like I think I'm better at it which is

  amazing really you are like a

  professional with this you're all over

  the world you're setting up interviews

  with people you're always doing audio

  recording I am a guy who shows up

  occasionally to record podcasts so it's

  always a bit of a like wait what what

  was i doing how did this get set up you

  can't expect me after what two years two

  and a half years how long have we been

  doing this I don't know to be a

  professional at it I think that's an

  unrealistic expectation reading I'll

  tell you a story I have to be careful

  telling it's because I don't want to

  give certain things away but I remember

  one time I made this video for periodic

  videos which was of a really interesting

  chemical reaction really fiery and

  explosive was a really cool thing and I

  made the video and I put it on YouTube

  good for me and then someone who I would

  describe as kind of a colleague but also

  for various reasons bit of a rival

  decided they were going to film the same

  reaction mm-hm

  and what they did was because they were

  probably just a bit less experienced and

  for whatever reason I get this email one

  day saying dear Brady I recorded that

  reaction that you did a few weeks ago

  but unfortunately in like the heat of

  the moment I forgot to press the record

  button uh-huh and this whole thing had

  gone off for them they'd been set up for

  them had taken all day and they hadn't

  filmed it and basically he just had to

  come to me like tail between his legs

  and said to me could I please just have

  your footage of when you did it oh god

  okay I've been there you know like it's

  a very easy thing to do when you're new

  to filming you've got a million things

  to think about to actually forget to

  press record I've done interviews before

  when I was like a newbie at the BBC even

  so I just felt the pain and I said man

  not a problem

  and I just sent it straight to him as

  well I get it how he must have felt I

  just totally had sympathy what a nice

  guy giving footage to a quasi rival

  yeah it's complicated to call him a

  rival and I can't really go into it but

  it's not someone anyone knows like the

  games who are listening thinking or

  wonder if it's you know what are the

  youtubes as we know it wasn't a youtuber

  was nothing like that

  it was no one anyone knows but it was a

  funny story what's the worst thing that

  you have forgotten to record you didn't

  interview the Prime Minister or anything

  and then forget to press record no when

  I was very new to I remember I once went

  to like an aquarium fish store and I

  interviewed this woman for like 20

  minutes and then he hadn't pressed

  record and I didn't admit to her I

  actually said I think that was good but

  I think we could have done that better

  let's do it again ha ha ha

  do you sneaky dog you Brady I would

  admit to an F oh maybe I wouldn't I can

  imagine times when I wouldn't if it was

  it too embarrassing but these days you

  know as you get more confident in life

  you also get more confident about

  admitting your shortcomings so I

  remember when I first became a newspaper

  journalist in the newsroom and I was

  like the new cadet and being given a job

  an assignment was a big deal like

  Bradley going you know ring the local

  business council and find out their

  response to this story and you know

  given jobs to do mmm I would like wait

  till there was no one around or go and

  hide in another room to make phone calls

  because I was so scared of people

  listening to my phone calls and hearing

  the interview people and I was so

  nervous you know I was just a young new

  journalist and I hated the idea of all

  the experienced journalists hearing me

  phone people up and doing that sort of


  I look back now and think that's really

  sweet you were white in like an open

  office situation and supposed to just

  interview someone over the phone

  newsrooms are normally quite open plan

  things and you know all the journals

  will sit around each other like when you

  watch on TV it's quite like that there's

  lots of noise and phone calls and stuff

  going on and everyone can hear what

  everyone else is doing to some extent I

  was just you know the new green young

  kid so I would like go into like a

  conference room where there would be a

  phone and make the phone calls or things

  like that just because you know I didn't

  want all the experienced journalists

  hearing me ask lame questions or not be

  able to handle myself you know like

  anyone young and nervous he'll I don't

  blame you for that at all I don't think

  I could do that talk on the phone in a

  big open space where other people isn't

  but I'm in my own apartment if I make a

  phone call I go into another room even

  if just my wife is home it's just it's

  weird having somebody else listen to

  half a conversation doesn't matter if

  I'm just talking to my family or

  something it feels like there's a weird

  pressure like I'm sorry I'm using the

  telephone I have to go into a different

  room and close the door I mean the

  reality is you don't really hear other

  people's phone calls because people talk

  quietly into the phone and there's lots

  going on like you'd have to really make

  an effort to listen to other people's

  phone calls or they would have to be

  really loud and so you don't hear

  everyone else's phone calls but when

  you're a young paranoid new cadet

  journalist you are scared everyone's

  going to be listening to your phone call

  and laughing at you sir

  anyway it goes away you're a

  professional now and you're sure you're

  recording this podcast right yeah and

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  I think Brady that freebooting has

  really made it as an official official

  word now whoa

  it's not a dictionary is it a dictionary

  smidgen arey right like they're just

  descriptive like they'll catch up

  eventually to the way that the word is

  being used I just happen to have in a

  bunch of cases come across recently

  people using the word freebooting who

  would have you know no idea about the

  podcast like it spread very far but I

  think the real in my mind cement er of

  the legitimacy of this word is that on

  the Wikipedia page for copyright

  infringement there is a section which is

  about the terminology like how does one

  talk about copyright infringement

  because as we discussed in that episode

  so many years ago now the word theft not

  appropriate because it's not actually a

  description of what's happening you

  can't really use that word it's too

  emotive that's your position by the way

  that's not my position now I'm

  presenting it as the position Brady

  that's obviously where I goes our

  difference of opinions on that is what

  started the whole free we start with I

  think it's the only correct position is

  that theft is obviously the wrong word

  to use but yeah so on the Wikipedia page

  they do run through this the idea of

  using the word piracy versus the word

  theft and then at the bottom there is

  now an official section for freebooting

  which I would say as the article on the

  Wikipedia is arranged is presented as

  the solution the correct way to talk

  about copyright infringement and that is

  freebooting I think it's fantastic and

  you have even been properly credited as

  the creator of freebooting

  the Wikipedia I think this is the big

  time Brady this is like the final step

  in the journey of rebooting it's like a

  real word now on the Wikipedia is this a

  coincidence that you've brought this up

  you realize there was naughtiness

  yesterday about this I have no idea what

  you're talking about you've been off

  Twitter haven't you I haven't been on

  the Internet in a long time just

  yesterday it was brought to my attention

  and it has since been corrected back to

  what you're saying now mm-hmm but

  yesterday afternoon that little section

  on freebooting was actually a section on

  view jacking and the title was view

  jacking you were credited not me and

  someone brought this to my attention on

  that exact Wikipedia page and I shared

  it on twitter i said very funny guys

  like look what everyone's done and like

  the official word was view jacking and

  then obviously when people saw this

  someone has gone back in and changed

  effective rebooting so just to show you

  how unofficial something is when it's on

  wikipedia as of yesterday it was view

  jacking that's the official word but we

  all know freebooting is the real word I

  mean look at this I just went through

  the history and yes as of a couple days

  ago the term view jacking his the news

  disconnect the unauthorized hosting of

  online really a particular videos this

  term was quite by CGP Greg took greater

  on the audio podcast hello Internet so I

  think we're not quite at the end of this

  I feel a bit like the people hanging on

  to view jacking a kind of the flag flag

  of copyright infringement people but

  look I can't take responsibility for any

  credit jacking that occurs when people

  rewrite things on the Wikipedia out of

  my hands I like that this shows why for

  all of your sniffing s about old

  institutions like dictionaries and stuff

  I would not consider it to be a success

  until a dictionary takes it up like the

  Oxford English Dictionary or something

  like that because until they do it any

  Tom Dick or Harry can go on Wikipedia

  and change interview jacking it has to

  be official you need a dictionary and

  that's what you need that's what I need

  yeah like I accept that it's sort of had

  a little moment in the Sun and it has

  kind of infiltrated our language a

  little bit in fact I was asked to do a

  talk about freebooting at VidCon oh yeah

  which I declined actually I didn't want

  to step on that landmine at the moment

  and also I didn't really feel that

  much of an expert like just because I

  couldn't the word I didn't feel like I

  could legitimately sit on a panel and

  talk about the legalities of copyright

  infringement so I'm just like you came

  up with a word I don't know Brady it

  feels like you need to be on a panel at

  VidCon about freebooting feels like the

  world is not right if you're just

  sitting in the audience on that oh by

  the way ten-second dad I will be at

  VidCon Europe in Amsterdam so if

  anyone's in that part of the world and

  wants to come along and have their

  record signed come along I'll be there

  you're not doing the freebooting panel

  but are you doing any official panels

  while you're there in the official talks

  yeah I am I'm doing an educational type

  panel I can't remember who's on the

  panel's they're just educational

  youtubers I know Hank green is on it and

  like it's got some subtitle catchphrase

  like can you fit the universe inside a

  YouTube video or something that I had

  nothing to do with that name and I'm not

  entirely sure what I'm supposed to talk

  about but it sounds like a very Vsauce

  name yeah Hank's moderating the panel

  now and Hank knows what he's doing so

  I'm sure to be good and I'm sure

  there'll be a decent audience there

  because Hank's there so that would make

  me feel better I don't know man I think

  we're gonna be a lot of Halloween had

  fans at a VidCon event so I think you're

  going to be a pretty big drive the panel

  to breeding no I don't think that but if

  they're already Tim's there come and say

  hello if you happen to be at VidCon

  people are going to be screaming the

  audience throwing their underwear

  onstage that's what's going to happen

  breeding so there we go

  so freebooting credit jacking all sorts

  of stuff the saga rolls on stay out of

  the Wikipedia editing you naughty teams

  yeah if there's one thing we know it's

  vandalizing the Wikipedia never

  hilarious never entertaining I'm opposed

  to it great but I'm not so I'm opposed

  to although it always makes me laugh

  yeah that's right it is course it makes

  you laugh right because it's the spirit

  of the Internet right it's like the

  trickster god here because we have this

  thing which is like sort of the end-all

  be-all authoritative source on how

  everything is in a neutral view in the

  world and also can constantly be milked

  for the lulz by random trolls like it's

  fantastic it is tiring though it's

  tiring millions of people all trying to

  be funny at the same time it's like when

  you put a question on Twitter like and

  someone help me what's the national

  anthem of something and everyone wants

  to reply with a joke and they all think

  they're the one person being funny but

  when you're the recipient of their and

  you've got all these people trying to be

  funny it's like for God's sake I just

  need this answer like enough for the


  if you catches you in the right mood it

  is funny and I'm sometimes that guy I'm

  the guy who's always trying to be funny

  as well mm-hmm but when you're on the

  other end of it I feel like this is just

  the fundamental spirit of the Internet

  yeah if you're coming to the internet

  and you're being really serious about

  everything you're gonna have a bad time

  yeah I will never not love the kind of

  hilarity of internet commenters that

  results as this competition to be the

  funny person or the person who's like

  trying to sneak a joke into an otherwise

  serious Wikipedia article or all kinds

  of mischief I really think that's just

  fundamentally part of the Internet and

  will never be rid of it and you can't be

  too serious about it and whoever

  tampered with Jeff do John's Wikipedia

  article and included the line that he

  once signed an autograph a renowned

  journalist Brady Haran it's bit of a

  hero it's still one of my favorites okay

  like this was the best Wikipedia

  battlestations ever hasn't been changed

  yet because the only place that's been

  mentioned is on a vinyl episode now I've

  mentioned it here on the internet

  version it's got I've shot myself in the

  foot there although why remove it

  because it is true yeah I know I know

  like people like serious Wikipedia

  editors that deserves to remain there it

  is true and it's hilarious and if you're

  upset about it add a citation cuz it's

  not cited but there is an episode of

  hello Internet where I tell the story

  about him signing an autograph for me

  so can even be cited haha god bless you

  and yeah you're the best thing listening

  it is for me to bring people up to speed

  I have been zooming back and forward a

  little bit lately in planes and my body

  clocks all over the place I'm currently

  in spiritual home Berkeley and it's 6:00

  in the morning and I've woken up

  specially to do this so I'm a little bit

  tired and a bit out of it and I have

  just come from Russia before that I

  don't know if I'm coming or going so

  don't know how well the brain will work

  but we'll get there this is so confusing

  too because I knew you were doing some

  traveling but I vaguely thought oh

  you're going to America and then I get

  messages from you From Russia With Love

  and then suddenly you're somewhere else

  and then you're back in the UK and then

  you're flying over to San Francisco I

  feel like I can't keep track of you at

  all Brady I don't know what you're up to

  I don't have any idea what you're doing

  why were you in Russia I went through a

  really good period of three months of

  not even leaving the UK and it was so

  lovely Wow you know I still had to go to

  London and Nottingham a lot but they

  just let overnight trips but it was

  three months of loveliness with the

  doggies and being able to spend time

  with my wife and all the nice things but

  now I'm entering a period of two or

  three months of mad travel all over the

  place three months at home that must be

  some kind of record for you it was

  really nice yeah so anyway I'm in

  America now you know doing the usual

  numberphile thing for a week actually

  just yesterday I interviewed the person

  who this is debatable

  okay but I would say and a lot of other

  people say is currently the smartest

  best mathematician in the world

  he's like the top gun' he's on top of

  everything he's the superstar of math at

  the moment I would say he's the greatest

  living mathematician there are

  mathematicians can live who may be in

  their peak were greater and are now you

  know coming towards the end of their

  days but in terms of current form

  current stuff going on I think he's the

  man and I got to meet him yesterday and

  interview him at MSR

  can you see who it is man I'm building

  up to it because there's an extra reason

  of a bit excited about it

  his name is Thierry tau that's a really

  good name it is a good name he's across

  all sorts of things he's a real

  all-rounder of mathematics which is

  pretty important these days because

  we've gotten to a point in mathematics

  now where most of the proofs rely on

  pulling from different parts of

  mathematics and not just specializing in

  one subject and the reason I'm

  particularly excited about him is he was

  born in Raqqa

  Adelaide yes at least pretty much my age

  as well he's only like one year older oh

  really yeah but you couldn't really call

  his contemporaries because he was the

  stereotypical super genius and I think

  like you know when he was 10 years old

  he was at university and all that sort

  of stuff right he was like super super

  prodigy and he's one of those prodigies

  that has gone on to genuine greatness as

  well so anyway just for the record

  because I know it'll amuse you when we

  were setting up and about to start we

  were talking a bit about Adelaide and

  where he was from and how often he goes

  back and somehow I fell down the rabbit

  hole and told him the story about how

  much I love the black stump and I wanted

  to tell black stump stories with him


  and I have to say he wasn't feeling it

  in my head you are wanting to discuss

  the black stump with him while wearing

  your black stumpy shirt like let me tell

  you about this amazing building he

  didn't even remember the black stump but

  I was like you know before they built

  the state bank building it was the

  biggest building in Adelaide and he was

  like yeah I remember the state bank

  building because it's the biggest

  building I'm like no before that it was

  the black stop you know say they judge

  me man he should have had the same

  feelings but he wasn't on board everyone

  should have the same feelings that you

  do brady that's the way it should be

  right I know cuz then I sort of boxed

  myself into a corner cuz when he'd

  wasn't into the black stamp I felt like

  ah because I was then gonna tell him the

  funny story about how now I talk about

  it all the time and I've made t-shirts

  and we would laugh about how right right

  but because he wasn't into the black

  stamp I was kind of like oh no where do

  I take this conversation now I've just

  started talking about this building now

  he doesn't remember it

  I've got no anecdote to tell these

  conversational dead ends are always

  awful right when you run down like this

  false paths with someone else and you

  think like we're gonna have a great

  bonding conversation like oh no right

  now this isn't working at all like abort

  abort but it's too late and now you're

  trying to like justify the amazingness

  of this building that's exactly what

  happened and it just got worse and worse

  but I have to say he was like a really

  really excellent man he was really

  generous with his time and polite and

  friendly and considering how smart he is

  and the mathematical plane he works on

  he was a really accessible normal guy

  and he also was quite familiar with

  numberphile including my controversial -

  one-twelfth video about

  some of the integers chorus we all

  remember that this is in his wheelhouse

  this subject like he's written blogs

  about it and he was also very gracious

  about that I'm sure he could have ripped

  me to pieces but he was actually quite

  nice about it which made me really

  pleased I said you're being diplomatic

  aren't you inside he's thinking yes yes

  yes I'll just keep this black stump

  loving we were no happy so anyway Terry

  Tao brilliant I'm still taken aback by

  his age because I was going to guess

  surely the top guy it's got to be like

  in his late 20s early 30s at most

  isn't that the reputation and the

  sciences and the mathematics that it's

  yeah it's just like being a model or an

  athlete like you peek in your 20s and

  then it's all downhill from there so

  this guy's like 2x peak age that's true

  that's true and also you'd think in some

  ways he's like the equivalent of a 60

  year old because he was already like a

  Top Gun when he was like 16 or 17 but no

  he's still like on top of it and

  cracking new things one of the reasons

  for that though is he's unusually

  collaborative like he's really into

  collaboration and works with other

  people and he's even got this thing that

  you'd find quite interesting actually

  he's working on this thing they called

  the polymath project it's kind of like

  crowdsourcing mathematics finding

  subjects that could benefit from loads

  of loads of people working on it and

  they said I'm like a webpage and

  everyone works on little bits and it

  doesn't work for all mathematics but for

  some problems that works really well

  where lots and lots of different people

  are doing lots of little different bits

  it really pushes things forward quickly

  and it sounds like you know it's not

  something you and I could do it's still

  like you know professional

  mathematicians and stuff like that we

  can't help out they don't need someone

  to run it as an Excel spreadsheet and

  some basic numbers I know when you hear

  about this polymath and crowdsourcing

  you think oh it's my chance to be

  involved but it really is for

  mathematicians it's just taking

  collaboration to the next level there's

  this thing called the twin prime

  conjecture that there are an infinite

  number of primes that are separated by

  just two right right and you know no

  matter how far you go down the number

  line there's always another twin prime

  coming somewhere and this guy a while

  ago released a proof which was amazing

  which proved that there are an infinite

  number of primes that are separated by

  70 million which was a huge breakthrough

  it was like one of the biggest

  breakthroughs and mathematics of the

  last sort of you know ten years or so

  and then that this polymath project and

  Terry Tao in particular have really

  taken the bull by the horns and they've

  been like doing all this new stuff to

  bring that number down that bound mm-hmm

  and I think they've got it to like you

  know two hundred and seventy now and

  they're all working on it to try to get

  it down to this you know to which is the

  Holy Grail so I find that stuff so

  interesting and mathematically just

  obviously like I can't follow any of the

  details of it but just like there's

  something really satisfying about

  mathematical proofs and I do love that

  idea of you can see people working

  towards like once you've proven there's

  an infinite number of primes that are

  separated by an arbitrary number it

  feels like oh I can see how that's a

  toehold to try to work towards the

  solution that you're looking for which

  is to get them to separate it by two

  yeah it seems like it must be incredibly

  pleasing and satisfying work to move a

  proof forward like step by step and to

  be part of a project that is like

  solving this bit by bit I can just

  imagine that that has to be very

  satisfying for professional

  mathematicians one of the really

  interesting things about Terry because

  I've not really seen this trait often in

  mathematicians or I've not often seen

  them speak about it so openly but it

  makes perfect sense is that his attitude

  is pretty much as follows because I

  spoke to him about the Riemann

  hypothesis which is like one of the Holy

  Grails of mathematics and I said to him

  are you working on the Riemann

  hypothesis and he said no I'm not at the

  moment because to me it's like a cliff

  that I can't get to the top of and it's

  just a sheer flat wall with no way to

  climb it but if someone somewhere makes

  a breakthrough like you know and

  produces a few toeholds and hand holds

  that I can grab onto and start working

  on I would go to it I'd run to it it

  almost sounds kind of mercenary in a way

  that he's like this samurai wandering

  the world of mathematics because he

  knows so much about so many different

  areas of mathematics and as soon as like

  there's a breakthrough somewhere else

  there's a battle going or something good

  that he thinks he can get his teeth into

  that's what he'll go to and work on

  because there's a chance now there's an

  opening like he's not like Andrew Wiles

  sitting up in a his attic working on for

  Mars Last Theorem all his life in secret

  he's this guy that's just like doing

  things at once and whenever he hears

  about a new cool breakthrough that's

  where he goes and what he wants to do

  because there's a chance now there's a

  chance it can be solved or proved and it

  was really kind of honest at but also

  really interesting that that's his

  attitude to it oh you mean it was

  refreshing to hear that he's trying to

  work on problems that are possible to

  solve instead of like reinforcing the

  idea of being the lone genius working on

  the impossible thing is that what you

  mean like is that how people normally

  talk about it yeah but also I liked

  hearing it described that way you could

  almost say it sounds a bit like

  opportunistic or a bit exploitative

  isn't it like you know I'm waiting for

  someone else to do something great so

  that I can then piggyback it and take

  this thing to the future glory don't get

  me wrong he's not a glory Sega and he

  doesn't need in his head his share of

  glory already he retire now is one of

  the greatest mathematicians ever but I

  don't know mathematicians are quite

  secretive and they don't always like you

  to know what their dreams are and what

  they're working on and maybe because

  they fear the embarrassment of not

  solving it or maybe just because they

  drive at people but to hear him be

  really open about you know yeah I want

  to solve you know I want to do all this

  stuff and I'm waiting sometimes to see

  where the next big opportunity is and

  but he's also a total collaborator and

  it's not about him he just wants to know

  everything and he wants to everything to

  be solved and proved and like you say

  what he's doing is entirely rational he

  wants to go to where the opportunity is

  where progress can be made

  mm-hmm but you don't often hear

  mathematicians talk that way which is

  what I found interesting he sounds like

  a very smart guy he is he's pretty smart

  but voice from Adelaide all the best

  place I love totally yes of course how

  can I forget all the best people are

  from Adelaide and they all loved the

  mighty Blackstone it's crazy that he's

  not famous in Adelaide like he's like

  one of the great Adelaide Ian's that has

  been produced yeah he should be right

  next to the Brady Haran statue yes

  that's the way it should work yeah all

  right Brady so tell me what were you

  doing in Russia I have no idea why you

  were there I just randomly got a

  photograph of a postcard of Vladimir

  Putin riding a bear and that's how I

  knew you were in Russia well this should

  be semi interesting for you because one

  of my interests that you do share to

  some degree is the periodic table you do

  seem to show more than a flicker of

  interest in all things periodic table

  related and the reason I was there was

  for the inauguration of

  three of those four new elements that

  were discovered oh that's right the

  elements yeah

  so there were these four new ones that

  have been discovered over the last

  however many years but they finally got

  their rubber stamp towards the end of

  last year in terms of I you pack the

  official periodic table Guardians saying

  yep they were definitely discovered you

  people can name them they proposed the

  names and then the names were approved

  so we had Mahoney 'm which was made and

  discovered in japan so named after japan

  and then we had three that was

  synthesized at a place called Dubner

  just outside Moscow mmm-hmm these were

  Moscow viim tennis ain although it was

  named after Tennessee it was actually

  made in Russia as well and organ nests

  on which is named after a guy called

  Yuri organ essien who is still alive

  which is only the second time this has

  ever happened I don't know exactly how

  it happened but Martin Polyakov the

  chemistry professor who I make periodic

  videos with I think contacted Yuri

  organiztion and they became kind of

  friendly on email helped by the fact

  that Martin speaks Russian which I think

  was a real icebreaker because he could

  write his emails in Russian and much to

  our surprise actually these people who

  make these super-heavy elements totally

  know who we are because I think what

  happens is whenever they google their

  new elements and things they always

  inevitably see our YouTube videos

  because we make a million youtube videos

  about them no I think it is actually

  just your towering fame in the world of

  chemistry surely you must be one of the

  most famous popularizers of chemistry

  right the two of you together in

  particular well maybe this is possible

  you have a whole statue of you in

  Adelaide no small part because of that

  what is this stitch you're not glad you

  people gonna think this is a thing if

  you keep saying that if I keep saying

  it'll become a thing okay yeah but get

  anyway go on go on

  so anyway they had the ceremony to name

  the elements so they invited us they

  said you should come to the ceremony and

  they didn't only invite us Martin was

  invited to be like a speaker so I

  thought I'll get him to say a few words

  but he became like the keynote speaker

  who gave like probably what the main

  speech of the event in Russian and then

  we went to Dubner the big facility where


  made the elements and agony seein

  himself was like so like giving of his

  time and we spent like today with him

  and he took us around and gave us tours

  and interviews and took us out for meals

  and all sorts of stuff so I spent all

  this time with the guy who had the

  element named after him and we made all

  these videos and had this amazing time

  was brilliant I'm just confused here

  though because we first discussed these

  elements and whatever was a year ago so

  I understand there must be some kind of

  process to make it official and I

  thought we were he passed the yes there

  really official stage yet we had passed

  that stage but now they're officially

  named this is the official naming

  ceremony yeah this was like the party

  this was like the ceremony okay so the

  names had become official but this was

  like the all the people from America and

  all the people from Japan and all the

  different collaborators that had any

  role all came together for a few days

  and they had the big shindig in Moscow

  like the Academy of Sciences with

  ceremonies and speeches and lots of

  vodka I can imagine and like the pickled

  herring and over the Russian food little

  caviar so that was the big party and

  then they went and had a tour of the

  Dubner facility for themselves because

  some of them hadn't really had a good

  look at it and because it was switched

  off for the morning they could like get

  up close to all the things they normally

  can't see like all the cyclotrons and

  the beamlines and the places where the

  atoms all get smashed so it was like a

  nice tour and then they had like a half

  a day little symposium where everyone

  gave technical scientific talks about

  the state of play how can we make the

  next elements what are the next steps it

  was a chance for them all to get


  partly to celebrate and have a drink and

  partly to do a bit of face-to-face

  collaboration and we kind of piggybacked

  it as a chance to make videos but also

  we were kind of i mean more martin than

  made to be honest we've sort of fettered

  as the sort of VIPs as well so i thought

  we were going to be like the


  but we ended up being quite a center of

  attention you went from fly-on-the-wall

  to belle of the ball is that what you

  did baby look at you you can tell it's

  not 6:00 in the morning where you are

  these little clever turns a phrase but

  okay look I have a lot of charity

  towards the world of science and

  chemistry yeah but I have to like is

  this the fun

  no party because it feels like it's just

  getting stretched out a little bit here

  is there gonna be a party later on

  that's like ooh the official embossing

  of the element onto the periodic table

  I'm just wondering how many stages is it

  until like in a high school chemistry

  class when you buy a periodic table it's

  just listed there or like or is that not

  allowed yet until another party occurs

  we're already past that oh okay this was

  like you know how sometimes like if you

  win an award you know sometimes it's

  announced like the Nobel Prize they

  announce the Nobel Prize who won it and

  there's a big media cover full but it's

  usually two or three months later that

  they then actually give them the medals

  and do the speeches and the certificates

  or when someone gets a knighthood you

  know it's announced so-and-so is now a

  knight but they don't actually have the

  sword on their shoulder from the Queen

  until a few months later that's what

  this was like so the elements were

  official and it was announced this was

  just the sword on your shoulder from the

  Queen to say well done cuz it takes a

  while to get everyone together you know

  you know I just realized like I knew

  this but I never really thought about it

  because I think in my head when I hear

  about people going to the Nobel award

  ceremony I think I was imagining it was

  like the Oscars and all of the nominees

  are sitting there in the audience

  waiting to find out who the winner is

  now when they open the envelope in

  retrospect getting a whole bunch of

  scientists together at the same time to

  do that for a crowd that is not

  explicitly publicity-seeking in the same

  way that say Hollywood would be

  obviously yes that's not the way it's

  going to work but I think in my head I

  always imagined when they announced the

  Nobel prize-winner that there's four sad

  Nobel Prize losers who are sitting there

  in the audience and still have to have a

  party that night with everybody else I

  mean the Nobel Prize is a kind of a bit

  crazy I assume you know this or you knew

  this but maybe you don't but obviously

  who's even under consideration is kept

  secret and then there's a press

  conference held in Sweden where there's

  just basically journalists there and

  some people from the Nobel Committee and

  a few experts come out and they announce

  who the winner is but the people who

  have won or the person who has won only

  finds out themselves about ten minutes

  before they phone them wherever they are

  in the world and say this is the Nobel

  Committee you've won the Nobel Prize

  we're about to announce that you know

  well done

  but that process actually causes

  problems because quite often they can't

  contact the person they need to contact

  yeah like so they'll be phoning someone

  around the world saying we need to speak

  to Jane Doe she's just won the Nobel

  Prize and they can't get her and they

  famously couldn't get Higgs when he won

  it for the Higgs boson and he found out

  from someone who just heard it on the

  radio and told him are you just won the

  Nobel Prize recently there was a big

  problem though because they phoned

  someone who won and the person had died

  like a week or two before and they

  didn't know mm-hmm and they like phoned

  the house and they said ah he's dead and

  you can't win the Nobel Prize if you've

  died but he still got it I made an

  exception I did know that about the

  phone call because I think like I've

  heard various stories and that's what I

  mean like I never put two and two

  together in my head I was still

  imagining that somehow there were people

  in the audience at the actual ceremony I

  did know about the phone call because

  you do hear those stories sometimes of

  someone missing it or some kind of

  incident that occurs when trying to get

  in touch with someone for the phone call

  so I spent a lot of time around people

  speaking Russian to each other over the

  last week eventually I got used to it

  but when it first started happening more

  when I was applying for my visa and I

  was around a lot of people speaking

  Russian to each other

  I felt quite silly and embarrassed by

  myself by how much I felt like I was in

  a spy movie but when two people speak

  Russian to each other it's amazing how

  the Hollywood training takes over and

  you assume everything's like a big

  conspiracy and they're talking about all

  this cool spy stuff it did make me

  wonder if like when Russian people who

  don't speak English here - people

  speaking English to each other do they

  think the same thing I can't imagine

  what English sounds like to people who

  don't speak English like what do we

  sound like do we sound like villains

  from an Indiana Jones movie the same way

  that I think that or like I wonder if

  that's the case or English has a

  different sound to it I imagine it must

  be like that I know I had a friend who

  didn't grow up speaking English a long

  time ago and I asked her about like what

  is English sound like and her response

  was it was if anyone ever imitates a

  language there's usually just a couple

  of sounds that you're really doing a

  whole bunch of times yeah like if you're

  doing French you'll be like juju Lulu

  Lala like yeah yeah that's like that's

  exactly what French sounds like yeah

  yeah or famously not the way the

  America World Police movie did Middle

  Eastern languages like was really

  terrible yeah it's the same thing where

  they're just doing a couple of sounds

  yeah and her response was that the

  English sounds were T sounds and s

  sounds stuffs like that sound was for

  her like the couple of sounds she would

  make if she was thinking about the way

  English is I say oh look at those

  English speakers over there it's

  treacherous yeah to us like I said it

  was not exactly a pleasant sounding

  language if you don't know what they're

  saying and I can see that I imagine

  English is not the best sounding

  language if you haven't heard it or if

  you don't know what they're actually

  saying but I think it's impossible to

  get out of because I know there's a

  YouTube video where someone tries to

  make gibberish sounds to give you the

  idea of what English sounds like to a

  foreign language speaker but it doesn't

  seem convincing to me and I've asked

  some people and it seems like it's not a

  good representation of what it actually

  sounds like I don't think you can get

  out of your head with this sort of thing

  but yeah I'm trying to think if I have

  ever in my life heard Russian spoken not

  in the context of a spy movie okay I

  think I may have never heard this

  language spoken outside of Hollywood's

  representation of it on a submarine I

  think that might be the only time I've

  ever heard it looks like Oh Sean Connery

  speaking Russian that's what Russian is

  I had a bit of it spoken that's for sure

  did you pick up anything I hear it's a

  really easy language to pick up no yeah

  it's like Spanish you know I spend a

  week in Spain you'll get the gist of it

  I'm sure it's the same way in Moscow

  it's really easy I can tell you one

  story about Russian being spoken if you

  can handle bit of a shaggy dog story

  I'll tell you my story about the final

  day in Russia Brady I am a professional

  Brady shaggy-dog story listener I should

  put that on my business card this is

  what I actually do shaggy-dog listen so

  on the final day we left Dube known

  north of Moscow and we were going to go

  to the airport that night but Professor

  Polyakov has this friend near Moscow who

  he wanted to visit so the taxi driver

  was going to take us to this friend's

  house who has this nice house and it

  adjoins a museum she runs which is a


  in rule yeah because her father was the

  designer of I think it's a t-34 the

  famous Russian tank and she herself I

  was told is quite famous in Russia she's

  quite old now but she was a famous poet

  when poetry was a big deal in Russia and

  poets were celebrities

  and now she's just famous as being her

  elder stateswoman was that really a time

  when that there were famous poets yeah

  the Russian name which apparently is

  really good for poetry way better than

  English because word order is less

  important so you can be a bit more

  creative with poetry so in the Soviet

  times poets were like pop stars

  apparently this seems like something a

  poet would tell you but okay I'm gonna

  I'm going to run with it for the purpose

  of the story anyway this is by the by

  we're being taken to a house for lunch

  we were going to have a look at the Tank

  Museum and then we were going to go to

  the airport so this taxi driver comes to

  pick us up from Dubner at the hotel and

  Martin explains to this taxi driver in

  Russian you have to take us to this

  house first and we're going to be there

  for a few hours eating going to a museum

  and then you're taking us to the airport

  and the taxi driver didn't know this

  what he had done is he was being a bit

  naughty and he had arranged for his wife

  to come with us on the drive to Moscow

  and he was going to use the trip as a

  chance to take his wife for the day

  shopping in Moscow so his plans are

  suddenly had been scuppered so he was

  pretty unhappy so he drove to the

  apartment building where he lived where

  his wife was waiting at the front and

  she was all dressed up and she had loads

  and loads of makeup on and she'd

  obviously done her hair cuz her hair was

  standing at some angle that I can't

  believe was even physically possible she

  was clearly a woman dressed for her big

  day out in Moscow and he's had to go up

  and say to her look we can't go because

  I've got to take these people to some

  house and sit outside the house for

  three hours and he was telling her go

  back you're not coming but she was like

  no I'm all dressed up I've got my makeup

  on I look amazing I'm coming to Moscow

  anyway yeah you can't say no to a woman

  at the end of her preparation ritual and

  I think like no sorry like whatever

  plans you had for the day if she

  finished getting ready your plans are

  changing that's what's happening and I

  can assure you this woman had spent a

  long time getting ready it was evident

  so she gets in the car and it's all I've

  already got like three bags on my lap

  because I can't put my bags on the chair

  it's been reserved for her in the car so

  like everyone's pretty inconvenienced by

  this whole thing

  we drive for two hours to this house and

  we park outside and we say something

  like do you want to like come in or

  something like that and they're like no

  of course not

  so they're parked out in the snow and

  they have to sit out in their car for

  three hours while I go inside which I

  couldn't believe they were doing so I go

  inside Martin speaks Russian to this

  woman for three hours she did speak a

  bit of English and she was really polite

  and nice to me but I have to tell you it

  was pretty hard work for me sitting

  there watching two people who were bit

  older talking Russian to each other but

  I couldn't get away I couldn't escape

  and like Martin was there for trying to

  include me so every 2 or 3 sentences

  Martin would give me a brief summary of

  what had just been said and it was quite

  you know boring stuff ah she just told

  me that her uncle is remarried to her

  aunt Maria and I really uh like I'm

  having a social freakout just even

  listening to you describe this like I

  don't think I could handle this I don't

  think I could psychologically handle the

  situation and I love Martin he's like

  family and I love spending time with him

  but this was quite difficult I think it

  was difficult for everyone and I was

  sitting at this table with all this like

  alcohol and really rich Russian food

  filling my nostrils and I was starting

  to feel a bit unwell and then eventually

  we get to go to this Tank Museum and we

  walk around and there was a funny moment

  cuz apparently this woman's famous but

  she was like showing Martin around and

  at some point some person in the Tank

  Museum walked up to her and I think she

  was preparing herself for the yes yes I

  am who you think I am

  this guy actually said to her do you

  realize who that is that you're

  translating for that's Martyn Poliakoff

  from periodic videos which he thought

  was quite funny and then we went back to

  the house we said our goodbyes and it

  was all good and we get in the car and

  we say to them okay we're ready to go

  and this woman who's been sitting in the

  car for three hours with all her makeup

  on her head and who's day we've ruined

  just turns around us as one moment and

  she goes back to the house where the old

  woman who we've been with is sort of

  standing waving goodbye to us and this

  woman goes up to her and like shakes her

  hand and like almost falls to her knees

  and starts crying

  and says that she cannot believe what

  her honor has been to sit outside her

  house for the last three hours meeting

  this person is like the highlight of her

  life Wow and then she comes back to the

  car and says I can't believe I just got

  to meet her thank you so much like she

  is a living museum to the history of

  Russia and like this has been like the

  most massive honor I could ever have had

  say this woman whose day we ruined and

  whose shopping trip we ruined ended up

  sitting outside someone who I don't know

  who it's the equivalent of but it's like

  the most famous person to hear in all of

  Russia and she just got to meet her and

  she couldn't believe it she was so


  I feel way less doubtful about your

  statement of the fame of poets in Russia

  after that yeah I mean this woman has

  written like a hundred books she was

  showing but you know those pictures of

  her with Yuri Gagarin and Vladimir Putin

  and all that stuff she's a mover and a

  shaker so mm-hmm so turns out for this

  three hours I was sitting at the table

  absolutely bored out of my brains I was

  with this super famous Russian person

  and to me it was just a couple of old

  people talking about Auntie Maria that's

  the thing with Fame right it is a light

  that only works in some circles right

  yeah if you're outside of it it's just

  totally meaningless yeah yeah I tell you

  I got organization to sign my periodic

  table with organist on on it which is

  now one of my prized possessions ooh

  gonna hang that up they're gonna go up

  in your office I might get it framed

  it's pretty special only the second

  person alive ever to have their name on

  the table Glenn Seaborg was the other

  one and he's dead now big deal that I

  didn't know what you were up to in

  Russia but it sounds like you were up to

  a hell of a lot is what you were up to

  yeah and like at one point Martin did in

  his speech like mentioned me and put a

  photo of me up and everyone like clapped

  and I had to get up and wave the

  audience so like I had my little moment

  although it was belittled a little bit

  by the fact that when Martin first got

  on stage he had a frog in his throat

  and he said Brady can you bring me a

  water so the first thing I had to do was

  like walk onstage and bring him a bottle

  of water at which point I felt totally

  like the lackey I didn't feel like the

  big bad a filmmaker then I felt like

  he's a personal assistant exactly he's a

  knight and you are the squire yeah boy

  bring me some water

  anyway that's a lot of talk about Russia

  so it's a big country but funny you

  should say that because one of the

  things that did

  her to me and like this is not a big

  deal it just to pop into my head is you

  know how they were like those apps and

  things where you like list the countries

  you've been to and then it like renders

  a map that colors in other countries

  you've been to just by going to Moscow

  and dog know which is like two hours

  outside Moscow I have now colored in a

  massive massive section of that map oh

  yeah so when I look at the map of

  countries I've been to now like most of

  us colored in there just by going to

  Moscow you're totally cheating by doing

  it but actually I think it's not really

  cheating because most of the people live

  on just this tiny little sliver by

  Moscow anyway so it's like I yeah you

  know you covered most of the people area

  I guess so it's fine you can color in

  that mole section so oh like Siberia and

  Kamchatka and all those areas are all

  colored in now but I've never even seen

  them yeah you got that man don't worry

  yeah no you're cool on the binary map

  you have ticked this box I've done a few

  of those apps where you do that and you

  list all your countries and it colors

  them in but it does the United States

  separately as States and you got a list

  the states you've been to that's goddamn

  right yeah of course

  oh how American centric is that that's

  crazy there's not American centric it's

  just the way it should be you know just

  like the states they need to have their

  own emoji flags and the emoji picker was

  we decided last time it's clearly that's

  the way it should be yeah and yeah if

  you're traveling to America it only

  counts statewide you don't get to take

  the whole country of a match Brady Brady

  do you know how wildly culturally

  diverse the United States is in

  different areas they're like totally

  different countries and just think about

  it you know Delaware is so different

  from New Jersey true they might as well

  be thousands of miles apart you have to

  color in each one of those states

  separately if you don't get the color in

  all of America now it's amazing how much

  the cuisine changes from state to state

  like the subtle variations of barbecue

  sauce but do you see I actually will

  argue that's quite important you pick

  the wrong one there buddy

  I figure in America you can actually

  draw like four or five big distinction

  areas but even then like it's not


  the United States is pretty homogeneous

  you're either on the west coast where

  it's sunny mm-hmm or the East Coast

  where it's like bit cold mm-hmm for you

  in the middle that yeah and you ever say

  from the plane anyway so it doesn't

  really matter there's a huge section of

  no-man's land there the coasts and then

  there's the south

  yeah and that's sort of it yeah that's

  my mental map of America yeah no-man's

  land beautiful though you got a drive

  through it some day doesn't count if

  you're flying over you don't get to take

  the states if you fly over I really want

  to drive across America and my wife who

  loves travel and adventure it's the one

  holiday and trip I can't

  enthuse her about like she went to every

  Space Camp with me and she'll do

  anything and she wants to see everything

  and I always say let's drive across

  America and she just thinks I don't know

  she's got limited holidays and it just

  doesn't capture her imagination I can't

  get her to do it well you got to do it

  on your own Brady I can't do it on my

  own that's too big a waste of my time

  too big of a waste of time with a once

  in a lifetime opportunity everybody

  should do let's do a podcast road trip

  we'll do the hello internet across

  America record an episode each night I

  am pretty sure one of us would not

  survive that trip really if we had to do

  it together I think we would strangle

  each other to death maybe both of us

  wouldn't survive who knows I think we'd

  be right because there's like a

  formality and politeness between us

  where I think we would never have a big

  argument like I think we'd be or are we

  in the same car together yeah of course

  okay are we staying in the same hotel

  rooms no different rooms we did that

  once okay yeah so yeah that was fine but

  no different rooms of course different

  rooms I don't know all right now I'm

  just thinking you seem very confident so

  you throw a little bit of doubt in my

  mind I have no doubt we'd get along mmm

  but whether or not you know that's how

  we want to spend it hugs a lot of

  questions it'd be quite interesting

  hello internet across America yeah hello

  Internet ultimate roadtrip we could

  review different flags we saw along the


  each night we could do a few press ups

  and do a bit of filler Tron live star no

  he just ate a press up I tell you what

  that's the big difference coming from

  Russia to America the extreme

  differences in food like my host in

  Russia are great and they put us in like

  a posh place but even then the food was

  pretty ropey mm-hmm and then you come to

  America and it's just like whoa yeah

  look at all that's amazing stuff oh

  you're out there in Berkeley you go to

  the local pizza place they give you an

  extra pizza with a wink without you've

  been asking it's amazing I've already

  had my extra slice last night extra

  slice or extra pie Brady which which was

  it it was three extra slices because I

  only wanted a half pizza and when you

  order a half baked side head then give

  you three extra slices in the box so

  it's three quarters of a pizza or seven

  eighths of the pizza how big are these

  slices I would say they give you half a

  pizza and then with the extra stuff you

  probably get just short of three

  quarters it's a big pizza though mm-hmm

  I've literally gone from like Russian

  brown bread to a place called the

  gourmet ghetto the shows the extremes of

  the world yeah well I think we've made

  it official before but we all know

  calories in America don't count that's

  how it works when you're in America

  everything's fine those calories don't

  count if you live there yeah obviously

  the calories count but if you're just

  visiting doesn't count at all that's how

  that works there's this song by a band

  called Liberty X that's got this line in

  it it's about like you know love and

  stuff and it's about being apart and the

  line in the song says I'm on my own all

  alone a thousand miles from home there's

  temptation all around but the idea is

  I'd love you and I'm staying true to you

  because I love you so much so I was in

  Safeway the other day in the cake

  section was surrounded by all the

  amazing stuff so I've made a video for

  my wife where I played that song really

  loudly so it was playing in the

  background and I was just filming all

  the cakes and it just said I'm on my own

  nerves you know temptation all around

  and I was panning across all these cakes

  and cream puffs and stuff she got a bit

  of a laugh out of that I've still got it

  I'll post it somewhere for people to

  have a laugh at

  that's fantastic yeah that's absolutely

  that's and so true yeah and I I'm really

  trying with my feet of Tron lifestyle at

  the moment and this is just a torpedo

  this week coming back to Berkeley

  I feel like we need to back up in the

  story a little bit because like oh

  you're trying with the fit Tron

  lifestyle but wait why were you in a

  cake store no I was in Safeway doing my

  grocery shopping there's just so much

  good stuff everywhere it's like you

  can't help her okay poor Americans I

  don't blame them it's terrible what's

  being done to you everywhere you look

  there's just delicious food and it's all

  so big it's not fair it isn't fair and

  it's it's interesting because this is

  actually a topic upon which I have

  changed my mind over the last few years

  like I think there really is something

  to the idea that like American obesity

  is not just because Americans are lazy

  like it's because there there is food

  everywhere in huge portions that's

  delicious and I feel like people are

  obviously affected by their environment

  there's all kinds of interesting like

  experiments that you can do that can

  show like how you can sort of fool

  people into eating more and you know

  I've just been finding out about like

  how foods are designed I feel like I've

  really changed my mind on this to some

  extent that it's like this is way more

  of an environmental issue than it is

  like a personal issue it's a lot easier

  to stay slim in Russia because the food

  is disgusting and nobody wants it well

  that's it I've gone from like literally

  when I was having dinner in Russia they

  were bringing me out like a plate of

  grated cabbage and a piece of brown

  bread and like because it was a posh

  place you know a piece of meat and that

  was like a nice meal and I enjoyed don't

  get me wrong I enjoyed it and then I

  come here and like I go to the pizza

  place and I order half a pizza to show

  restraint and they're throwing more

  pieces at me to eat here have more

  melted cheese what can you do

  now there's nothing you can do there's

  nothing oh yeah there is you can not eat

  it but no no no very left look back up

  right logical conclusion is there's

  nothing you can do right if it's largely

  environment then there's no personal


  how is that fitted Tron lifestyle going

  are you you okay with that or I mean

  obviously all bets are off for the next

  two weeks my body doesn't realize that

  so I still pay the penalty but I'm off

  the horse at the moment but prior to

  that I think I've done about 20 odd

  personal training sessions I'm doing

  three training sessions a week so I'm

  getting a lot stronger and fitter but I

  hadn't yet modified my eating mmm-hmm

  but for the week and a half or so before

  I left I started calorie counting again

  mm-hm and I'm going to calorie count

  again when I get home so now I'm

  attacking it on both the fronts I need

  to be attacking on the exercise and the

  reduced calorie intake so I have no like

  stats to report or anything like that

  but I am doing it I'm working it hard

  that's fantastic I'm really glad to hear

  that you've been sticking with the

  personal trainer mmm I was wondering

  because very early on in this process

  you sent me an awesome-looking photo of

  you like silhouetted against the light

  holding kettlebells like looking like a

  total badass and I was like oh wow look

  at this like Brady's doing it me and

  then you told me later on that oh that

  wasn't a picture of you in the middle of

  exercising that was a picture of you

  just moving kettlebells out of the way

  someone else has happened to snap and I

  was like what's he really doing I don't

  know I just saw the really nice

  silhouette and the window and I had just

  been using a kettlebell and I know that

  your wife was a fan of kettlebells

  basically it was just a posed picture to

  show off to your wife of me holding your

  kettlebell but like you know I was

  exercising I was therefore doing an hour

  of exercise it wasn't like I was doing

  an hour long photo shoot so that I could

  well yeah the photos look like a little

  bit that was the feeling I was getting I

  was like what's he doing over there I'm

  doing it so I think my body's getting

  stronger mm-hmm but I was still like

  going to the gym and then maybe getting

  a sneaky McDonald's on the way home so

  there's no more of that now now it's

  going to the gym and then going home and

  eating like you know brown rice yeah

  gruel that's a drink no meetings just

  some gruel I tell you what I should just

  go to Russia for three months

  honest to god I bet that would sort you

  out yeah totally think that it always

  find it's like much easier to keep at

  being strict with what you're eating in

  a different environment

  I honestly think if you went to Russia

  for three months you'd come back looking

  like Adonis Brady

  I think that's what it would happen

  what's your kind of fit a Tron lifestyle

  now I mean obviously you hit it hard to

  lose all this weight you wanted to lose

  now you living some regime now or are

  you more just going back to what you

  were doing before but keeping it steady

  or lucky exercising a lot are you really

  discipline data still law it's been an

  interesting process because this past

  month I've been pretty terrible about

  making it to the gym I haven't been

  really good about that but that process

  that I went through last time I feel

  like really did fundamentally change a

  lot of the kind of foods that I eat

  right I mean if you rewind to two years

  ago I had essentially an all

  carbohydrate based diet like there was

  nothing that I ate that wasn't

  carbohydrates and now that's really

  dropped and so I don't know if other

  people have this feeling but I feel like

  there are like snap points that my body

  wants to maintain weight at and before

  the fit of Tron lifestyle like I was

  properly like overweight and it felt

  like my body really wanted to stay

  around that weight and so now that I

  dropped under 200 pounds like just under

  200 I feel like this is another point

  that my body wants to stay around like

  in the last month where I haven't been

  exercising as much as I was exercising

  prior to that my body weight actually

  hasn't changed all that much right so

  it's like okay it's interesting it

  doesn't want to go up and also when I've

  been like a few months ago I was like

  you know what I really want to break the

  190 barrier but I could feel like I have

  this same resistance just like when I

  was much heavier that like my body just

  doesn't want to go down and it feels

  like it would take a lot of effort to

  actually get down to the next level so

  there's some kind of homeostasis I think

  that happens at different points I don't

  know if there's anything to back that up

  but that's really the way it feels so I

  am at a homeostasis point that I'm

  pretty happy about but it is on my mind

  that I still would like to at some point

  in the future really try to step it up

  and see if I can find like another

  homeostasis point that's a little bit

  further down the curve but yeah so

  you've been very good with exercising

  and I have not been so good with

  exercising in the past month

  that's where we are you've also put a

  little seed in my head now that there's

  some homeostasis point out there for me

  that if I can just get to it I couldn't

  start eating crap again and stay at the

  low weight I don't want to like put that

  idea in your head but I have found it

  interesting to note that when I haven't

  been good with food it doesn't seem to

  affect me as much as when I was heavier

  like when I was heavier if I dropped a

  couple pounds and then I ate one sneaky

  mcdonald it was like boom immediately

  back up another two pounds I think the

  homeostasis point it does exist Brady


  there's a ring out there somewhere that

  if you can just grasp it yeah then you

  can go back to eating McDonald's like

  you really want we'll say we'll say I

  think the next week or so is going to be

  hard here in California but I'll do my

  best and then when I get back to the UK

  oh I'll get back on the horse good luck


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  the show do you know the counter of the

  number of videos that are responsible

  for since you released a video which you

  know I think is ridiculous but it does

  exist I think there's a real chance I'm

  going to get to a hundred unless you're

  about to put a video out in the next few

  days now I'm going to get to a hundred

  videos since you last player video oh

  yeah I totally think you're going to hit

  100 I think you're going to hit a

  hundred that's going to happen say

  you're not

  you're not

  putting one out in the next week or two

  I just want to know because if you are

  maybe I will batch release a few just so

  I can get the hundred now I got a

  warning yeah it feels like it should be

  some sort of trophy maybe that you can

  get likely put it up on your wall like a

  hundred video yeah what about a gray

  button yeah I could give you a gray

  button for that and you get a diamond

  button if it hasn't that's the way that

  could work I'm sure the next one will be

  a cracker that's the bad thing about

  having a big gap is everyone's like oh

  my god the next one he's got to be

  working on some huge project is like no

  people it's not a huge project no

  expectations like it's just gonna be a

  thing that's all it's gonna be an iPhone

  unboxing oh my god I should totally do

  that that'd be a fantastic idea

  especially midseason right just like

  I'll do an iPhone unboxing now for a

  phone that's six months old yeah no

  comment at all just upload it without

  any remarks just like oh yeah this is

  what it is that's actually a brilliant

  idea just release it the data counter

  gets to 99 to spite me there's literally

  what I was just thinking is like what

  can I put together I'm gonna write a

  little script to keep an eye on that

  counter number and to get notified the

  incident goes up to 99 and then like BAM

  alright I've got a really something

  anything it could just be 5 seconds of

  sorry Brady yeah not this dark art man

  you're saying this it's so tempting so

  tempting Brady you too I don't much you

  do it I think the catchy things

  ridiculous anyway but it is a handy

  resource for me I don't think the

  counter is so ridiculous because I don't

  really take it so seriously but I do

  think it's ridiculous that you get

  credit for computer file on that count

  yes that seems ridiculous that is

  ridiculous that is ridiculous so we have

  to subtract that out from your 100 score

  yes because of course nearly all the

  videos on computer file are made by Sean

  I don't actually even see all of them

  mm-hmm I have some responsibility for

  them and is part of my business you're

  like the producer that's what you are

  yeah but you're right they are not a

  drain on my time so but I think it's

  funny that they're included speaking of

  planting seeds and ideas I think we need

  to deal with something I know we've got

  a lot of other stuff to talk about but

  I've got to get this off my chest

  in the last episode gray planted in my

  head an idea and it was not it obviously

  it was not his intention and as soon as

  he did it he tried to undo it but I'm

  afraid I feel

  things have gotten out of control I feel

  like I've been trying to undo this

  behind-the-scenes Brady and say I'm

  talking about limited edition hello

  internet sneakers trainers shoes because

  gray pointed out that he had just

  recently found out about the world of

  sort of limited edition sneakers that

  were sold to be collectible sneaker

  heads sneaker heads and I sort of

  thought I think what you don't

  understand I don't know if you were like

  this was newer a young lad gray but I

  went through a phase of being obsessed

  with sneakers like I remember being on

  the school bus every day and just

  talking with my friend Chris for hours

  about the latest Nike Air Jordans or

  Reebok pumps or added s torsions and I

  would go home on my computer and like

  design like my dream pair of sneakers

  and every time one of us would get a new

  pair like if dad took us shopping

  sneakers which was the ultimate

  experience taking at them on the bus the

  next day and showing your friends that I

  really for a fee as I was quite obsessed

  with the culture of sneakers probably

  like a lot of young people were you ever

  into sneakers like that yeah this is

  totally foreign to me I did not

  experience this I don't think I knew

  anybody who experienced this okay I

  didn't understand what we were stepping

  into when I brought this up last time so

  anyway it brought back a lot of

  nostalgia for me and because of the

  success of the vinyl episode having like

  created a physical thing I sort of

  thought imagine that imagine having like

  releasing a pair of sneakers hello

  internet sneakers so I've taken the ball

  and run with it and we are now going to

  make available hello internet sneakers I

  can't believe you've really done this

  Brady I can't I know but I want to make

  this clear this is not like a

  mass-market product and I want to start

  this by encouraging everyone who is

  listening now to not order a pair of

  these sneakers do not order them you are

  not missing out on anything there's no

  like material or episode of hello

  Internet you're gonna miss out on you

  should not get these in fact I would

  suggest like skipping now what have you

  done Brady I don't know anything about

  this what have you done I want the to

  watch words for the next few minutes to

  be quality oh okay and understatement


  that's been my mission because look I

  saw some people make designs of possible


  and they made them like look like over

  the top basketball high-top shoes and

  things like that and it was very funny

  but I wanted to create a pair of shoes

  that I think you and I would wear Oh God

  okay but also I wanted them to be like

  the highest quality I didn't want to

  like get some cheap knockoff China thing

  where you could mass-produce

  a thousand pairs of some shoddy things

  that fall apart or were like super cheap

  I wanted to make something like special

  because I cut you know like wearing nice

  shoes so what I've done is I've teamed

  up with a company called crown in

  Northampton in England which is like the

  shoe making capital of England and it's

  a place that also has family

  associations for me so it was important

  to get in touch with my shoe making

  roots I've modified one of their premium

  sneakers that they make these aren't

  like sneakers that you would go and like

  runyan these are like nice dress leather

  sneakers that you would wear to look

  nice in leather okay

  yeah and they're going to be like dark

  grey hello internet color with white

  trimming and like a white toe area and

  then embossed with a specially made

  brass stamp which is currently been

  forged embossed on one side is the nail

  and gear into the leather but it's not

  like colour it's not going to be like a

  big white nail and gear and look all

  it's like just embossed into the leather

  it's just depressed into the leather

  subtle classy and then on the tongue of

  the leather upper

  another brass step but I'm having made

  is embossed again the a chai so it's got

  the hello internet branding but like you

  wouldn't immediately know to look at it

  I want it to look nice you could wear

  this out to a bar and you know look cool

  and like we were going to have white

  laces and we may still have white laces

  available but I just thought it would

  look better with the gray laces which

  have to be specially imported from Italy

  there's special waxed laser oh oh this

  is like a premium premium pair of shoes

  oh my god yeah oh my god Brady they're

  gonna look amazing I've already got like

  a sample of one of the other shoes but

  obviously these ones haven't been made

  yet so the hello Internet limited

  edition sneakers are a thing but they're


  they're really expensive gray they're

  made in England already which is already

  going to make them expensive and I can't

  undercut the price they sell them for

  elsewhere anyway so I have to use like

  the market controlled price so these are

  expensive shoes you should not buy them

  I'm getting a pair and I'm going to get

  gray a pair when he gives me his shoe

  size if anyone else wants them because

  they're really into sneakers already

  likes them you can order them you can

  order your size and then they'll be made

  to order to your specifications these

  are bespoke special sneakers but if you

  are not obsessed with sneakers or you

  don't have like money to spend do not

  order these do not order these I'll

  share pictures of them and people can

  look at them and I'll make a video of

  how they're made and you can just enjoy

  that you don't need to own them but if

  you for some reason want oh they will be

  out there to be owned you have an actual

  cobbler yeah who's going to be yeah

  making shoes for people individually

  that's what's happening here it's an

  English family business that's been

  going for like a hundred years they

  specialize in shoes and these are going

  to be made to order the special color

  leather is being ordered the laces are

  being brought in from Italy each pair

  and be handmade in England to order to

  the for the person who ordered it I mean

  what like delivered to your door by a

  beautiful maiden on a horse like I like

  but don't step this at all okay I have

  to wrap my head around this whole thing

  alright you're saying that there is a

  company that still exists today yep that

  is just a bespoke custom small-scale

  shoe manufacturer like I almost feel

  like I can't believe that such a thing

  exists in the modern economy

  Northamptonshire which is a place close

  to my heart is famous for shoe making in

  England obviously most of the industry

  gets decimated like all these industries

  too but there are still a handful of

  these bespoke shoemakers littered around

  the county of Northampton sheer and I

  called on my friends but unbelievably I

  know people in the shoe business in

  Northampton cheer and I said to them I

  want limited edition sneakers who do I

  speak to and they said speak to this guy

  called Chris at crown he already makes

  these amazing sneakers I contacted him

  he showed me what he makes mhm I told

  him how I wanted them customer

  hasn't changed for hello Internet and

  we've been exchanging ideas and having

  phone calls and he's been sending me

  designs mm-hmm let me send you a picture

  now so you can get some idea of what

  we're talking about the final design is

  not yet in place so you will anyone who

  orders these will kind of be ordering

  them off plan so you're taking a bit of

  a risk this is a prototype image that

  that's what I'm gonna be looking at and

  it hasn't even got the nailing gear on

  it yet the one I'm sending you okay so

  imagine these kind of with a bit of a

  more of a gray upper nailing gear in

  subtly subtly embossed on the side

  what's an upper I don't know your shoe

  manufacturing terms the app is like the

  upper part of the shoe like with the

  leather and all that not like the rubber

  heel part that deals with where the

  rubber meets the road okay okay okay so

  I see what you mean by their formal

  sneakers yes you kept saying this and I

  have didn't really have any idea what

  you mean by this like I have no frame of

  reference yeah for the existence of

  formal sneakers yeah looking at this I

  can completely see what you mean that

  they are formal sneakers yeah you could

  wear them just casually but you could

  also get away with wearing them on a

  night out there like nice yeah they're

  not like going to the gym and running on

  the treadmill sneakers they're like

  casual wear I don't know what the word

  is I don't know enough about sneakers I

  should buy now but a studio I could

  definitely use a pair of sneakers that

  looks nice too let me get away with

  still wearing sneakers and it seems like

  these could definitely fit that bill you

  have to have a peg right surely even if

  you don't wear them you have to at least

  have except a pair well I have to accept

  a pair to wear for any in-person events

  we ever do when you're doing hello

  internet across America right and we

  stop at various cities that might look a

  bit weird if you and I wearing matching

  sneakers no no the awesome or look we

  can alternate the sneakers at different

  cities that's the way it can work right

  so we don't look too weird so I'll

  create a page you can put an order and

  if you want but please this is not like

  a business thing this is just a thing

  I've done so they can exist but it would

  pointless to make like one pair and just

  me right so I do like the idea that

  there are a few pairs out there but if

  you've got some weird completionist

  thing in your head that makes you think

  you have to own these you don't right

  there is nothing necessary about these

  this is Brady just doing

  a fun thing so that it can exist and

  they are out there so it feels like the

  most Brady project that you could

  possibly do to me it's just it really

  feels that way I'm just worried that

  people are going to get upset because

  like I didn't decide to like find the

  cheapest thing I could do and like you

  know I have a hundred made in China or

  something I decided to go down this

  bespoke English handmade cobbler artisan

  which is you know postures cushions kind

  of thing because I've gone down that

  path I realize it's going to exclude

  more most people it would exclude me I

  wouldn't buy them except that I'm doing

  it so I realized like this is these are

  more expensive than the sneakers I wear

  such a bit silly but how many times in

  my life am I gonna make like you know my

  own pair of sneakers so there you go I'm

  sorry I know it was not your intention

  and you tried so hard to stop me I

  really did I really did try to stop you

  Brady it was one of these things like

  sometimes you pitch me ideas and I feel

  like I can stop you yeah but I knew

  there was something about this one that

  right away even though it makes no sense

  at all as a project I just knew there

  was something about this that captured

  your mind so yeah I'm kind of not

  surprised that this has come to pass

  even though it's sort of a terrible idea

  all around

  I do think you out to me though and have

  no choice in the matter that you have to

  give these official status I would feel

  like a monster if I didn't give them

  official status

  so yes Brady these are the official

  limited-edition sneakers of hello

  Internet there you go give them my


  alright even though they're crazy and

  I'll get you a pair they do have sizes

  and all sorts they're like really it's a

  good product it is worthy of our name

  I'll have to figure out what my shoe

  sizes I'll send you the sizing chart and

  I'll be on the website as well and

  people couldn't figure it all out and so

  even though I don't think many people

  should own these I do want people to

  feel part of the process so I'm going to

  try and go to the factory when they're

  made and show how they were made oh cool

  I'm gonna see the nailing gear being

  embossed into the leather whoo that

  sounds very cool I like the idea that

  we've got a nailing gear brass stamp

  that had to be made as well that's

  pretty cool yeah do we get to keep that

  can I keep that as part of the process

  do you know what I haven't actually

  asked about that I'm paying for it so I

  would imagine so he said you could

  user for other things if you wanted like

  you could embossed leather key rings and

  stuff like that with it so it may come

  in handy one day if we ever have the

  official leather keyring of hello in

  today but for now it will just be

  something that sits somewhere like the

  official cast of the vinyl record which

  I don't know where their desire that

  wherever the the cast is they used to

  press the vinyl that must exist

  somewhere as well how's that for a

  collector's item wherever that is

  there you go hello internet sneakers

  limited edition you're an impressive man

  Brady Pasha's cuz you an impressive man

  ah now I'm gonna regret it it's gonna

  turn into some kind of debacle but I'm

  genuinely impressed but like as a side

  note that you've done this Brady's I

  can't believe it

  absolutely it was a bit easier than it

  sounds it doesn't matter I would never

  do it in a thousand years I would never

  even know where to start so I'm

  genuinely impressed I have a bit of flag

  news Brady hmm regular coverage of all

  the important flag news on our podcast

  yeah I never realized until we started

  hello Internet how much important flag

  news there was was all this flag news

  out there before we started like all of

  these controversies and votes and I mean

  obviously this stuff's been rolling on

  for years but now it's just flooding our

  inboxes I don't know there's always

  important flag news going on I mean how

  do you think the vexillology subreddit

  stays active every day like everything

  in the whole world but they manufacture

  their own news though they kind of cheat

  they're like oh let's design the

  American flag with you know the theme of

  pigeons like that's not news that's just

  flag nerds entertaining themselves I'm

  talking about real news like important

  stuff like changes to official nests

  there's always super important flag news

  like this story about how Nebraska flew

  its flag upside down at the Capitol for

  10 days and nobody noticed because it's

  such a terrible design just cuz no one

  looks up at Flags you could fly the

  American flag upside down from the White

  House and I bet and I would have noticed

  for a week no if you flipped the

  American flag you would have someone

  noticed immediately because flags flop

  down on the pole if it was really windy

  fair enough you'd notice but if it's

  just a flag drooping on a pole you could

  easily have it there for a week and I

  wouldn't know what orientation is I bet

  even under your opposition here

  of droopy flag I bet somebody would

  notice the American like the American

  flag in particular the most fanatically

  loved flag by its citizens like no way

  there's no way you get away with that

  within two seconds there'd be a vet

  complaining to a newspaper about that

  and it would be like national news if

  the White House accidentally had the

  flag upside down for a minute

  I don't think you could possibly get

  away with it you raise an interesting

  question though is there a country that

  loves its flag more than Americans you

  sort of threw that line out there like

  it was a given but is there a country

  maybe some obscure and we don't know

  that for some reason has some passion

  for its flag that exceeds even America

  if you know one let us know that is a

  good question I'd be curious about that

  but I do feel like the American flag and

  its relationship to its people is like a

  borderline unique one hmm right with the

  whole like America super patriotic thing

  yeah gigantic military the flag folding

  services like I don't know I feel like

  it might be the most loved flag I mean

  your national anthem is actually an

  anthem about your flag yeah exactly

  you don't talk about how much you love

  your country it's about God our Flags

  awesome yeah isn't it look at that

  star-spangled banner it's just amazing

  it wasn't enough to have a flag you then

  had to write a song about the flag what

  about the freedom you know like I

  whatever like but look at that flag I

  guess the opposite would be a country

  that loves US national anthem so much

  that it makes its flag machine music I

  have the message yeah exactly

  if only that existed I'll be curious to

  hear if people have any contenders for

  for more love flag but I think the

  American flag is gonna win that I can't

  even though I've said before I think

  it's kind of garish and ugly but you

  know it's still like it's a flag and it

  would never fly upside down without

  someone noticing I challenge you I admit

  it's more likely to be noticed also

  because of the design of the flag yeah I

  shouldn't have chosen the American flag

  in the White House that was too extreme

  an example but I can imagine many many

  flags being flown upside down in

  prominent places and people not noticing

  so I think jumping on this particular

  bandwagon was a was it in the breasts

  could you say yeah it was Nebraska

  anyway here's the thing I

  agree with you there's many flags that

  could fly upside-down and nobody would

  notice including all of those horrible

  state flags that are just a blue

  background with an ugly seal on it and

  that of course is what the Nebraska flag

  is and that's why nobody would notice

  like any of these flags that just have

  the seal in the blue background at ten

  paces you can't tell if it's right-side

  up anyway even if it's flying in a full

  breeze right because it just there's

  nothing to orient it it's just a circle

  with some too small garbage in the

  middle to actually see so I think this

  is hilarious and I think it's an

  indication that all of these flags

  should we redesign oh it's definitely

  hilarious but it doesn't mean that you

  need to change the flag how many stories

  are there are famous paintings being

  hung upside down in museums and stuff

  like this is fun stuff for the paintings

  that's always like Oh someone hung a

  Jackson Pollock upside down that's like

  well is there really a right-side up to

  that Jackson Pollock I'm gonna disagree

  with you I don't think that there is all

  right so I think for sure this is a case

  that the Nebraska flag should be totally

  redesigned I want to see this happen

  new Nebraska flag Nebraska get on it you

  heard it here not first but you heard it

  here yeah hello Internet breaking the

  news months later but yeah right we

  never covered timely things anyway this

  could have happened three years ago it

  would be the exact same thing right with

  a lukewarm not passionate plea to maybe

  change the flag from gray I don't think

  that was a passionate call your call for

  hot stoppers or Starbucks now that is

  passionate I mean but that's something I

  have to deal with every day it's a

  national tragedy on the scale of a

  single person is what that you know what

  happened though the minute these states

  start changing their Flags though bowls

  it up like New Zealand didn't either not

  change it or choose bad options or you

  can't rely on people and politicians to

  fix the problem you need a dictator to

  take over Nebraska and just install his

  or her own flag yeah you can't trust

  people that New Zealand election I still

  look back on last year at that it's just

  terrible election result I made I think

  when history looks back at 2016 that's

  going to be the thing that I remember it

  really is New Zealand yeah you have this

  opportunity to change the course of the


  yep we said now stood aside the path of

  history yep

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  corner okay here we go just a quickie

  that's the feeling of me tightening up

  now I'm not going to talk about Aeroflot

  I flew Aeroflot by the way on my trip to


  what's Aeroflot aeroflot's like the

  National Russian airliner and it wrongly

  has a reputation for crashing a lot okay

  I guess it's partly because of a crash

  or two but also I think it's got such a

  terrible name

  Aeroflot sounds like the name a plane

  would make when it like smacks into the

  runway with the wheel still up Oh No did

  you see that

  Aeroflot it's a terrible name I'm sorry

  Brady you almost made me spit out my

  water with the like oh they have a

  reputation for crashing that's

  deserved except for the crashes well you

  know every airline has a coupla crashes

  but anyway now what are you gonna do so

  when I was booked on them I was a little

  bit apprehensive because obviously I

  have no reason to believe I'm going to

  die in a plane crash but I do now see

  the irony that if it does happen what

  everyone's going to think because I talk

  about plane crashes so much in public it

  feels like something the universe wants

  to happen the more you talk about it

  that's that's how it feels it's not

  ritchie valens in La Bamba he's always

  dreaming he's gonna die in a plane

  crashing that he dies in one at the end

  of the film but yeah but anyway so when

  I was booked on Aeroflot I thought here

  we go I'm tempting fate but I thought

  the airline was fine and the air I think

  they were all women the air hosts

  hostesses stewards I don't know what I'm

  supposed to call them and not get in

  trouble he'll never know either

  my mom was a flight attendant but I even

  I've always felt a little bit uncertain

  like what is the heart I'm supposed to

  use that's a good word fly attendant the

  Aeroflot flight attendants we're the

  coolest uniforms because they look like

  they're from the 70s they've still got

  like sickles and stuff all over them

  they wear these white gloves like

  objectivity white gloves they look

  totally awesome Evan said to one of them

  can I just take a picture of like the

  gloves in your uniform I won't show you

  or anything because it was a bit weird

  and it just came across weird but I took

  my picture anyway they were cool

  uniforms I just pulled up some pictures

  and yes they're cool-looking uniforms

  they do look like they're straight from

  the 70s they do have the hammer and

  sickle on them yeah I hit just like

  awesome I don't understand how it

  threaded this needle in history of like

  hammer and sickle it should be like the

  swastika but instead it's like nah it

  made it through some sort of threshold

  and somehow is just kind of cool even

  though it was sort of during a horrible

  time if like if I sit down and using

  like oh my serious self would be like oh

  yes like a horrible symbol horrible time

  how many Russians died World War two all

  of them right that's how many is just

  like horrible but like I don't know the

  hammer and sickle it's just a cool

  symbol yeah you're uh it's got this kind

  of retro cool that it's somehow escaped

  the stigma of what was done Android yeah


  just don't know how that happened I'm

  aware in London seeing like t-shirts

  that are sometimes just like the red

  hammer and sickle and it's like this

  doesn't seem love I was thinking about

  it like I sure that it should exist but

  still some part of my brain is like yeah

  retro cool like the Cold War wasn't that

  a great time like no it wasn't it was a

  terrible time but you know like I didn't

  live through it whatever those dictators

  they've always got the best graphic

  design teams that's for sure yeah so

  continuing my little quick plane crash

  corner and sortie I just thought I'd let

  you know that I watched the film Sulley

  on my flight to San Francisco I thought

  it was quite extreme it doesn't bother

  me watching plane crash things on a

  plane so I watched the film Sulley on

  the plane which was really cool and

  maybe we should talk about that film one

  day I don't know but anyway just to let

  you know I've watched it because a lot

  of people said we should watch sadly

  because it's you know it's a film about

  a plane crash of course right so there

  you go Eldo not crash a forced water

  landing right as he likes to point out

  is the difference not a difference well

  I don't know if you're on the plane it's

  a massive difference anyway the last

  thing I want to talk about is Harrison

  Ford was involved in another aviation

  incident I don't know if you saw this

  because it happened a little while ago

  now he's a private pilot right he

  actually crash-landed on a golf course a

  little while ago yeah we discussed that

  on the show previously I think yeah his

  latest incident is apparently he was

  coming in to land at an airport and he

  was given clearance for the runway Lu

  and it seems like investigations are

  continuing etc etc but it seems like

  instead of landing on the runway he

  landed on an adjacent or parallel

  taxiway and in the course of landing he

  came in and landed over the top of a

  passenger airliner that I believe was

  sitting on the ground they had 110

  people on it so the story's been bigd

  uppers you're Harrison Ford near miss

  with a passenger airline 110 people etc

  etc now I don't know how much of a close

  call it was if the airliner was on the

  ground I don't think he was like on the

  brink of you know wiping out 110 people

  in one fell swoop it was probably more

  danger to himself than anything but

  let's put all of that aside for a minute

  this is what I want to put to you gray


  Harrison Ford is like this untouchable

  legend isn't he he's han Solo

  he's Indiana Jones he's in Blade Runner

  he's been Jack Ryan and it seems like

  you know his legacy is safe mm-hmm and

  even though he's made a few dud films in

  more recent times of Oh movie stars he

  has the ultimate get-out-of-jail-free

  card and leave pass because he's done

  those things before and we love Him

  if Harrison Ford collided with a

  passenger airliner and took it down and

  110 people died because of his error the

  74 year old man flying a small plane

  would that be his new legacy would that

  undo all the other stuff I think for

  some people it would yeah I don't know I

  would imagine for most people that would

  become an interesting trivia fact you

  don't think that would become the

  dominant fact let's say that that

  happened and then we fast-forward 20

  years and two people are sitting

  together and they're watching one of his

  great movies Kingdom of the Crystal

  Skull and one leans over to the other

  and says like oh hey did you know he you

  think that was bad you should see what

  he did - yeah exactly and which of these

  things was worse it's hard to judge

  right and he could have like an

  interesting conversation about that I

  agree if he had a single crash mm-hmm

  and that was how he met his demise but

  if he took out a hundred and ten people

  on a passenger plane like over LA I

  still think that would be like

  interesting trivia fact like in

  accidents okay especially as you go

  farther and farther forward into the

  future you know I think with any person

  of note the further you go in the future

  they either become forgotten and then

  they can finally leave that waiting room

  in the afterlife or yeah everything they

  have ever done gets compressed down into

  one or two things that's the timeline of

  history here if he's remembered in the

  future if anybody's still watching star

  wars a thousand years from now which

  they certainly will be because Disney

  will never let the franchise go yeah I

  think like that's how he'll be

  remembered as the Star Wars guy it'll

  just be like an interesting fact I think

  perhaps the more interesting question is

  how horrible of an atrocity would he

  have to commit before that would be the

  thing that people primarily remember him

  for 300 years from now exactly so I

  thought maybe taking out a hundred and

  ten people in a plane might reach the

  threshold you say no I mean clearly the

  only atrocity he could perform that

  would undo it must be some kind of major

  serial killing maybe because even if he

  shot three or four people I don't think

  that would do it like if he went crazy

  with a gun in a shopping mall and like

  shot of a bunch of people I don't I

  think that's akin to the plane crash

  isn't it yeah I agree I'm thinking it

  would need to be some kind of nuclear

  terrorism that's what would need to

  happen is that Harrison Ford

  destroys LA with a nuclear bomb I think

  then that would be like this is the

  primary thing that he was remembered for

  and people a thousand years from now

  would get the story all wrong as it

  always goes and he would be some like

  actor who was spurned right and didn't

  get what he wanted and so destroyed the

  whole of the entertainment industry

  that's what would happen hundred years

  like that's how people would remember

  the story I think this could be an

  interesting new metric for how

  successful your movie career has been

  how bad an atrocity do you now have to

  perform to undo that work there's like

  there's some kind of sliding scale here

  isn't it yeah at some end right it's

  like this is the thing you'll be

  remembered for where is the dividing

  line where it goes from interesting fact

  about you that might not color the movie

  watching experience to the primary faith

  to remember for let the kid who played

  Anakin Skywalker I mean he's only gonna

  like commit a shoplifting offence and

  he's done it

  yeah but like Harrison Ford has to set

  off a nuclear weapon yeah I think that's

  where I'm putting it yeah

  nuclear terrorism the other question

  here is should a 74 year old man be

  allowed to pilot a plane over a major

  city when you start telling me this

  story that's my first thought about it

  is is like okay once we all have

  accidents I guess you know twice I'm

  getting a little suspicious there's a

  third one Harrison Ford I think someone

  needs to take away your license you

  can't take away hand side lies license

  to fly I think you can right if I was in

  charge of things you know if he was in

  three car accidents I'd take away his

  license to drive way too many people who

  shouldn't be driving driving but you

  just kind of let them because it's a

  necessity of life in America but you

  know flying around in your hobby is

  airplane this is not a necessity and if

  your 74 has anyone done like the vision

  chart test for him recently on this kind

  of thing or did he get his pilot's

  license 30 years ago and you just keep

  it forever

  I just need to watch that scene in the

  new Star Wars film of him running down

  that corridor with the Millennium Falcon

  and then they just take his license of

  him yeah fella huh sorry man yeah I

  don't think you should be flying I do

  have to say though even if he did

  destroy all of LA with a nuclear bomb I

  still think I could watch Star Wars and

  be like I like this movie

  nothing no no you have to separate the

  art from the artist you don't have to

  like both of them

  no we mentioned it several episodes ago

  about West world by yet far and away the

  most requested thing we have ever had

  for us to watch as my memory serves you

  watched what was it two episodes three

  episodes and gave up on the show no I

  think I wish more I think I watched

  either three or four I'm not sure but

  yeah nearly

  most of the way towards 40% of the

  season yeah so you didn't make it all

  the way through no I did recently decide

  to give it a try because of this there's

  like a delicate balance right when

  people are recommending you things and I

  sometimes have this feeling of when a

  thing gets recommended tremendously like

  it can pass a point where I feel like I

  don't want to watch that thing you want

  to be a little bit rebellious oh I don't

  want to be a shape yeah exactly

  everybody in the world's telling me to

  watch West world maybe I don't wanna

  it's not gonna be on the top of my queue

  I'm gonna watch something else because

  I'm my own man yeah I can do whatever I

  want like it sit here and watch some

  terrible TV show but eventually I did

  give in because I had some near misses

  with some spoilers for the show and I

  decided you know what okay

  I'm going to try to save myself future

  grief I'm going to sit down I'm going to

  give it a shot and see how I like it so

  I I did watch West world and my feeling

  is if you watch some of the episodes I

  am NOT going to make you watch the rest

  of the series because I think if someone

  sits down and watches West world if

  you're not into it after the first two

  episodes or you find yourself kind of

  drifting you don't need to watch the

  rest of the season it's not going to be

  for you

  but I watched it and everybody was right

  I totally loved this show it just hit

  like every tick box of stuff for me that

  I really liked yeah and so I did make my

  way through the whole series I really

  enjoyed it I would highly recommend that

  everybody give the first two episodes a

  shot but I am NOT going to make you sit

  through the rest of the season Brady I

  think you got far enough I've got a fly

  back to England in a few days and I've

  got nothing to do on the plane so I've

  only got a few episodes left to watch

  ever know maybe I'll barrel through and

  what ship should I watch the rest of it

  and we'll do a proper review well I mean

  I guess that's up to you Brady

  I have thought sauna and learn if you've

  got thoughts I want to hear them and I

  know there's certainly that the people

  listening would like to hear them and I

  might not do it justice talking to you

  about it if I haven't actually seen it

  although I won't ask you as many good

  questions or have different opinions so

  well even though you've tipped your hand

  a little bit by saying you liked it

  isn't that what you like Brady don't you

  like it yeah have things right up for

  I'll finish it oh look at that look at

  that okay all right

  it wasn't gonna make you do it I guess

  what we've discovered is we're going to

  be assigning this for homework is that

  what's happening at this moment at his

  homework there we go

  non-compulsory as always non-compulsory

  homework I mean how could we set

  compulsory homework I podcast listeners

  don't have to do anything we say but I

  think we could set compulsory homework

  what's the nearest thing we've ever done

  to setting compulsory homework

  I mean entire Star Wars episodes are

  pretty pointless if you haven't watched

  the film yeah people do listen to them

  you haven't without having watch the

  movies though which I don't I don't

  understand which I think like compulsory


  we'd have to assign a thing that if

  you're watching it it would reveal a

  password to you that you could use to

  access an episode that you couldn't

  listen to otherwise maybe that's what it

  would be how about we do this so if I'm

  gonna sit and watch the rest of wess

  world you've already seen it and you're

  obviously not doing much else at the

  moment because I haven't seen new videos

  right why don't you try and see if you

  can fit in Sully before we do the next

  episode and we'll have a special plane

  crash call on a special edition movie

  review as well okay all right just a

  short review of Sully so sort of the

  double homework episode that is that

  what's going on here it was nowhere near

  as requested as Westworld but a lot of

  people did ask us to talk about

  something we'll have a brief talk about


  and a slightly longer talk about west

  well in the next episode okay there you

  go people we were going to talk about it

  but now you're gonna wait that's what's

  happening sorry you've probably got all

  these notes and things you were about to

  say about West world and I just feel

  like I'd be like I'd feel unequipped to

  to do it justice it's very honorable of

  you Brady and yeah I'm certainly happy

  to pretend that I am really prepared