Hello Internet

H.I #80: Operation Twinkle Toes

 

  all right hello internets uh 8080 that [TS]

  ad I think what's that in Roman numerals [TS]

  Q I think it's a Q that's the way that [TS]

  works what I gotta be right about to say [TS]

  is say a hundred rizelle one hundred [TS]

  sees one hundred ELLs fifty have don't [TS]

  you watch the Super Bowl Brady so it's [TS]

  either L XXX or to see its xxc we take [TS]

  the 20 from the hundred I add the 30 to [TS]

  the 50 I think we take the 20 from the [TS]

  hundred all right did you trying to be [TS]

  economical with letters isn't that how [TS]

  that works [TS]

  no it's it's L xxx say ha yeah there's [TS]

  always those exceptions like how 8 is is [TS]

  the III and not III X well this is why [TS]

  the Romans couldn't do algebra I don't [TS]

  know I don't know why they went that way [TS]

  but that's the way it is I think I think [TS]

  they got stuck this way right they [TS]

  started a system it seemed like a good [TS]

  idea at the time [TS]

  yeah but then but then when they're [TS]

  trying to solve for X it turns out to be [TS]

  incredibly difficult with Roman numerals [TS]

  oh it's like it's like their version of [TS]

  the millennium bug and I never thought [TS]

  that day to get to 100 well we never [TS]

  thought the numbers I get this big we [TS]

  thought we'd just check three on the end [TS]

  we didn't think we'd get to the point [TS]

  where we had to take two from something [TS]

  big [TS]

  yeah now that we need to we need to see [TS]

  the Pythagorean theorem we're in real [TS]

  trouble I got a date a patch so the hell [TS]

  of it to throw this all the way look at [TS]

  these shiny Arabic numerals this is my [TS]

  tomato I like a few little quirks in a [TS]

  in a system I like a few inconsistencies [TS]

  yeah yeah but I don't think you want [TS]

  inconsistencies in numbers like if [TS]

  there's if there's one area where we can [TS]

  surely agree that you must have [TS]

  consistency it's with numbers you're not [TS]

  really going to be like oh there's a bit [TS]

  of a charm to the old Roman system we [TS]

  should be using it today yeah I guess [TS]

  you're at can I wish a happy birthday to [TS]

  CGP grey not CGP grey the co-host of [TS]

  hello internet and very occasional [TS]

  release of YouTube videos right but CGP [TS]

  grey the penguin at Bristol Zoo though [TS]

  has just had a second birthday [TS]

  she has just had her second I was gonna [TS]

  say what's this what's this it nonsense [TS]

  we know it's the she's two years old now [TS]

  and do you know what I just just before [TS]

  we started recording I had [TS]

  pang of guilt about CTP great the [TS]

  penguin mm-hmm yeah how often have you [TS]

  visited her breeding yeah do you know [TS]

  what it reminds me of it you know when [TS]

  you go on holiday sometimes or you have [TS]

  some like intense experience and you [TS]

  meet like new friends or people you [TS]

  haven't met before and at the end of the [TS]

  trip you like exchange details and [TS]

  you're thinking it's going to be friends [TS]

  forever like I'll contact you and we'll [TS]

  see each other again one day and we're [TS]

  gone another holiday and you have all [TS]

  these grand ideas and then you maybe [TS]

  exchanged one email and then like you [TS]

  never hear from that person again you [TS]

  can't even remember them or their name [TS]

  who but you would actually think that [TS]

  you're going to maintain friendships [TS]

  over a long distance that's sometimes [TS]

  you feel that because you've had such a [TS]

  good time with them and you've gotten [TS]

  along so well you think they're gonna be [TS]

  a friend for life and I know I know [TS]

  I know you feel that Brady I know that [TS]

  you feel that everybody who's human [TS]

  feels that but surely you know it's like [TS]

  maintaining a friendship via email it's [TS]

  never going to happen there are people I [TS]

  would love to maintain friendships with [TS]

  via email people I do occasionally have [TS]

  like pangs of guilt for not sending more [TS]

  emails to but the reality of it is like [TS]

  this isn't the 1800s like we can't [TS]

  maintain a correspondence through [TS]

  letter-writing like it's just never [TS]

  gonna happen yeah but you think that's [TS]

  just going to be a stopgap between [TS]

  having another great holiday together [TS]

  because you just had such a good time [TS]

  and I'll come and visit you in Peru oh [TS]

  yeah mm-hmm look I'm not saying when I [TS]

  think about it in the cold light of day [TS]

  but I can't see what happens and it's [TS]

  happened to me so many times in life I [TS]

  should know better yeah but it still [TS]

  just happens it still just happens and [TS]

  my point is that's a bit how I feel [TS]

  about CGP grey the lady penguin mm-hmm [TS]

  because I sort of thought ah I'm so [TS]

  close to Bristol Zoo I could go back [TS]

  like maybe every six months or so just [TS]

  for half a day and take a few photos and [TS]

  see how she's doing and keep everyone up [TS]

  to date and yeah I remember at the time [TS]

  they were there were many a promise from [TS]

  Brady about updates about how she was [TS]

  doing overtime we were going to get [TS]

  health reports on the weight and it's [TS]

  like no nothing nothing ever happened I [TS]

  did one big update I did the gender [TS]

  update and the weigh-in and everything [TS]

  that's it that's it that's the one email [TS]

  that you send when you think oh let me [TS]

  let me kick this off and it she never [TS]

  wrote back that's part I mean partly in [TS]

  my defense if I can have one little tiny [TS]

  bit of Defense mm-hmm [TS]

  contact at the zoo who made it all [TS]

  happen and even made the naming happen [TS]

  has left the zoo for new pastures so I [TS]

  did I did lose my easy contact there so [TS]

  now approaching the zoo is a little bit [TS]

  like I'm going in cold as a stranger [TS]

  again mm-hmm but it is also just my [TS]

  terribleness and I feel a little bit bad [TS]

  and I'm also secretly in the very back [TS]

  of my head a little bit scared of [TS]

  finding it maybe like something [TS]

  terrible's happened and I kind of don't [TS]

  want to know I mean I'm sure penguins [TS]

  don't dive right often here but there [TS]

  was that seal cage right next door you [TS]

  know seemed safe like it was really [TS]

  dangerous proximity sales don't attack [TS]

  penguins do they I think they do at the [TS]

  eat penguins I mean the Lions are only [TS]

  400 meters away or so yeah but like that [TS]

  I'm sure a lion isn't interested in a [TS]

  penguin I think you chuck a penguin in [TS]

  the lion cage and see what happens yeah [TS]

  therefore they won't know what it is [TS]

  they'll be really confused right there's [TS]

  different different terrain creatures [TS]

  they don't interact oh don't like [TS]

  licorice exactly that's that's how that [TS]

  would work out I understand that feeling [TS]

  you want cgp grey the lady penguin to [TS]

  live on forever in your mind having a [TS]

  fantastic life swimming around doing [TS]

  whatever she's up to [TS]

  yeah living forever or however long [TS]

  penguins live I don't know 18 months [TS]

  what's their life span I have known oh [TS]

  gosh if then she could be dead hang on [TS]

  how long does a penguin they've um [TS]

  looking that up just messy how long does [TS]

  a penguin live what's your guess [TS]

  what's your serious guess my serious [TS]

  guess um and I'll make it guess first [TS]

  before I look it up okay I'm gonna I'm [TS]

  gonna put my serious guess at ten years [TS]

  I'm gonna go [TS]

  fifteen this price is right is it [TS]

  closest without going over is that [TS]

  organized we're in trouble here because [TS]

  an emperor penguin apparently lives for [TS]

  20 years and a little penguin lives for [TS]

  six years that can live anywhere between [TS]

  six and twenty seven years okay well [TS]

  what what species is see to be greater [TS]

  penguin well that's a good that's good [TS]

  point [TS]

  what is it it's like an African penguin [TS]

  isn't it okay I think so [TS]

  that sounds familiar we haven't kept up [TS]

  a correspondence so I don't know the [TS]

  details of her family lineage the [TS]

  average lifespan of an african penguin [TS]

  is ten to twenty seven years and they [TS]

  can live up to thirty years in captivity [TS]

  so cgb [TS]

  the lady penguin may will outlive me I [TS]

  don't know what I'm worried about [TS]

  if CGP grey lady penguin outlives you I [TS]

  will take a visit to the zoo right in [TS]

  your honor that would be like that would [TS]

  be your way of remembering me yeah [TS]

  exactly [TS]

  it'll be a little remembrance for you [TS]

  just like that holiday friendship thing [TS]

  though it'll be like you know after I'm [TS]

  gone you'll forget you'll never do it [TS]

  and like ten years after I'm gone you'll [TS]

  be I really must go and visit that [TS]

  penguin one day I'm terrible the guilt [TS]

  of long-distance friendships now great I [TS]

  want to quickly just talk about the [TS]

  hello Internet limited edition sneakers [TS]

  mm-hmm mainly because I just realized [TS]

  that I haven't got you to give the [TS]

  project a cool name yet like their vinyl [TS]

  was called Project revolution can you [TS]

  come up with a name for the sneaker [TS]

  project oh it seems kind of pointless [TS]

  now though Brady it's over no it's still [TS]

  going that they're still gonna be like [TS]

  manufactured and orders are still coming [TS]

  in and I dive yeah another but like I've [TS]

  seen them in real life they're being [TS]

  manufactured you've taken orders if this [TS]

  is his way too far in the life cycle of [TS]

  a project to give it a project name but [TS]

  whenever I bring it up I need a name I [TS]

  can't always say I want to talk about [TS]

  the hello Internet limited edition [TS]

  sneakers hmm it has to and by the way my [TS]

  wife tells me off for calling them [TS]

  sneakers because that's not a very [TS]

  British thing to call them but it's too [TS]

  late now [TS]

  why does she tell you I don't know I [TS]

  think maybe she thinks I should be [TS]

  calling them trainers I've got a [TS]

  possible name oh yeah what I was just [TS]

  trying to look up I was I was thinking [TS]

  mercury has those little wings on his [TS]

  feet I was trying to think is there a [TS]

  name for those little wings like that [TS]

  could be a project name yeah or it could [TS]

  just be Project Mercury what do you [TS]

  think Brady juvett you have one you like [TS]

  I was thinking maybe operation twinkle [TS]

  toes done okay yeah you want to call it [TS]

  operation twinkle toes that's fine I'm [TS]

  trying to read for like an obscure Greek [TS]

  reference here it's like that operation [TS]

  twinkle toes much better there you go I [TS]

  mean I know you like the cool names and [TS]

  I I'm up for a cool name as much as the [TS]

  next guy but I don't know if for some [TS]

  reason in my head I just keep coming [TS]

  back to operation twinkle toes here's [TS]

  the important thing about a project name [TS]

  it has to feel right yeah it has to feel [TS]

  right and project twinkle toes it feels [TS]

  right I think operation twinkle toes [TS]

  operation twinkle toes there we go [TS]

  operation twinkle toes so a quick update [TS]

  on operation twinkle toes [TS]

  as as you said the first two pairs are [TS]

  now in existence and in my possession [TS]

  and are even being worn by me right now [TS]

  not not right now now but I was wearing [TS]

  them yesterday when I saw you so you got [TS]

  to see them in real life and I did I saw [TS]

  them in real life [TS]

  yeah when you came through London after [TS]

  filming some objectivity mm-hmm I was [TS]

  originally thinking our Brady's in town [TS]

  do I really want to go see him for a [TS]

  drink I don't know [TS]

  that's a bit meh on the whole evening to [TS]

  be honest but when you did them send me [TS]

  the message telling me that you had the [TS]

  sneakers I thought oh okay I should go [TS]

  out and see him I want to see what these [TS]

  things actually look like and I was very [TS]

  glad that I made the journey what did [TS]

  you think of them in real life I think [TS]

  they look really good in real life it's [TS]

  always different like when you see a [TS]

  thing for real right the Internet as [TS]

  fantastic as it is can never quite [TS]

  convey the physical presence of a thing [TS]

  like in on all of the pictures I was a [TS]

  little bit uncertain about the thickness [TS]

  of that white soul but in real life I [TS]

  think it came out great so I have to say [TS]

  two thumbs up [TS]

  for projects operation twinkle toes I [TS]

  can't believe how much I love them [TS]

  you're smitten Brady you're smitten I am [TS]

  I am smitten I'm just like I'm in love [TS]

  so I've got one pair that I'm wearing [TS]

  I've got another pair I'm keeping in the [TS]

  box for the museum yeah I can't rule out [TS]

  cracking the other ones out of the box [TS]

  when my current ones die well you said [TS]

  you were going to get a whole bunch of [TS]

  spares right a whole bunch of redundant [TS]

  sneakers wasn't that the plan you were [TS]

  going to order like ten for yourselves [TS]

  that you always have a lot I was like I [TS]

  don't remember saying that [TS]

  oh no it sounds familiar I think that's [TS]

  what you pretty sure that's what you [TS]

  said it's not something I would do but I [TS]

  don't know maybe I do need an extra pair [TS]

  and despite me telling people not to [TS]

  order them and I meant it when I said it [TS]

  mm-hmm quite a few people have hmm not [TS]

  like an embarrassing number just like a [TS]

  nice number enough for me to feel like [TS]

  the project was like worth doing because [TS]

  if no one ordered any and I was the only [TS]

  person who owned a pair it would feel a [TS]

  bit stupid but knowing that our other [TS]

  pairs out there a nice modest number of [TS]

  other people wearing them it feels like [TS]

  we made a thing that was nice so I'm [TS]

  really happy with how it's gone do you [TS]

  have an estimated shipping date for the [TS]

  sneakers do you know when they [TS]

  to be out in the real world I don't [TS]

  think it's going to take that long I'm [TS]

  going to close off like this round of [TS]

  orders shortly just so I can get the [TS]

  factory to start making them I wouldn't [TS]

  visit at the factory by the way I'm [TS]

  going to get the factory making them and [TS]

  then I'll I'll keep orders open for a [TS]

  bit longer for a second batch because as [TS]

  people start seeing pictures of them [TS]

  they might think oh I think I want a [TS]

  pair but like I said don't feel that you [TS]

  need to have them I think it's just [TS]

  basically the shoe enthusiasts and [TS]

  sneaker heads have spoken and they're [TS]

  the ones who've gotten themselves a pair [TS]

  so I'm happy that they're happy I'm [TS]

  happy they're happy as well it's been [TS]

  really nice crazy Brady project made [TS]

  real we have been sent the coolest thing [TS]

  we have ever been sent we get sent some [TS]

  weird stuff to the hello internet post [TS]

  box yeah [TS]

  we again you get sent some weird stuff [TS]

  to the hello internet post box the very [TS]

  very weirdness of some of the things [TS]

  that you get sent is the very reason I [TS]

  do not have nor do not want a Hello [TS]

  internet post box by me like let you [TS]

  deal with all that stuff that shows up [TS]

  there has been some weird stuff but this [TS]

  thing is so awesome mm-hmm [TS]

  it's going to blow your mind oh really [TS]

  now this has come from someone you will [TS]

  be familiar with because when I finally [TS]

  have the hello Internet medals of honor [TS]

  struck and that there is another project [TS]

  that is ongoing that there has been [TS]

  progress there by the way that needs a [TS]

  name gray what about for the Medal [TS]

  project I'm sorry I just I have to stop [TS]

  here Brady because when you were talking [TS]

  about the Penguins I didn't want to say [TS]

  anything out of pure politeness but I [TS]

  was thinking about those medals in the [TS]

  back of my mind I was like I wonder if [TS]

  Brady remembers those I wonder if he [TS]

  forgot about those medals no no there [TS]

  are ongoing discussions there's work [TS]

  being done on this project this is not a [TS]

  forgotten project but it hasn't got a [TS]

  name maybe that's what's wrong it hasn't [TS]

  got a name so you want to give it a name [TS]

  ah first thing that comes to mind [TS]

  project Vulcan feel like they're being [TS]

  forged yeah alright yeah yes okay we can [TS]

  find something better later but you know [TS]

  just for now okay working title Vulcan [TS]

  yeah there yeah anyway when those medals [TS]

  finally are forged [TS]

  somewhere in the bowels of the mighty [TS]

  black stamp I'm assuming mm-hmm [TS]

  the first recipient is going to be a [TS]

  chap named Chris and Chris will be [TS]

  remembered by longtime listeners as the [TS]

  person who used to work near Air Force [TS]

  One on the stairs hmm and and used to [TS]

  listen to hello Internet while driving [TS]

  the stairs for Air Force One or sitting [TS]

  in the stairs for Air Force One waiting [TS]

  to join them yeah he was very clear [TS]

  about not driving the stairs while [TS]

  listening exam very important exactly [TS]

  very important to not get him fired so [TS]

  Chris has raised the bar with with a [TS]

  special gift that he sent us I'm going [TS]

  to send you a photo gray so you can see [TS]

  it so I got this huge box is this what [TS]

  you're looking at is a framed hello [TS]

  internet flag an alien gear flag and [TS]

  underneath the flag is a certificate of [TS]

  authenticity which I think's acute touch [TS]

  but which also has the purpose of [TS]

  explaining what the flag is and I'll [TS]

  read what the certificate says to you [TS]

  okay it says this is to certify that on [TS]

  August the 6th 2016 this hello internet [TS]

  flag was flown onboard vc-25 tail number [TS]

  two eight zero zero zero [TS]

  callsign Air Force One from Joint Base [TS]

  Andrews Maryland to Otis Air National [TS]

  Guard base Massachusetts so this this [TS]

  hello internet nailing gear was flown [TS]

  aboard Air Force One Wow [TS]

  which i think is pretty cool that is [TS]

  pretty cool but like as if that's not [TS]

  cool enough Chris was then because Chris [TS]

  is obviously a member of the Armed [TS]

  Forces and he was deployed elsewhere no [TS]

  longer works with Air Force One and he [TS]

  was sent to Afghanistan mm-hmm so we [TS]

  can't say exactly what and where and [TS]

  what he did for for operational reasons [TS]

  hmm but it did also fly on a c-17 [TS]

  Globemaster 3 and ac-130j cargo and [TS]

  passenger aircraft used by the Air Force [TS]

  and then it was dragged from pillar to [TS]

  post around Afghanistan Wow [TS]

  I say I'll send you a picture of Chris [TS]

  holding the flag while deployed in [TS]

  Afghanistan so this this flag [TS]

  had some adventures that looks like a [TS]

  flag and deployment that's for sure yeah [TS]

  holy cow [TS]

  big gun as well all sorts that's a cool [TS]

  picture so they say there we go this is [TS]

  a very special Nayland gear flag that [TS]

  deserves full respect and should not be [TS]

  allowed to touch the ground and I won't [TS]

  touch the ground because he's had it all [TS]

  framed up and the thing that's [TS]

  interesting was he sent it from [TS]

  Afghanistan so he had to find someone in [TS]

  Afghanistan to do all the framing for [TS]

  him and it's been amazingly well framed [TS]

  by really professional so in some [TS]

  village somewhere in Afghanistan he's [TS]

  taken in this flag and said can you [TS]

  friends and then he sent it from there [TS]

  to me here in England mmm-hmm if this [TS]

  flag could talk the stories it would [TS]

  tell hey it's amazing this is this is [TS]

  fantastic [TS]

  okay I always love seeing the nailing [TS]

  gear flag flying in crazy locations but [TS]

  this really is a step further that is a [TS]

  certificate of authenticity for Air [TS]

  Force one and that's fantastic and in [TS]

  this big box as well like it was full of [TS]

  treasures mm-hmm good sent to you I'm [TS]

  embarrassed to say he also threw in the [TS]

  box as a little as a little wink-wink [TS]

  extra and it's perhaps the thing that [TS]

  excited me most a whole bunch of packets [TS]

  of official President Obama peanut M&Ms [TS]

  you know with the presidential logo and [TS]

  stuff on them that you always hear about [TS]

  so I've got official president M&Ms wait [TS]

  I don't I don't know what do you mean [TS]

  that the president has an individual [TS]

  logo or you just mean the president's [TS]

  logo no they make M&Ms and I also make [TS]

  Hershey Kisses they make like little [TS]

  packets of M&Ms for the president and [TS]

  they come in like a little box with I [TS]

  have never heard about this have you [TS]

  know heard of this it's like a big deal [TS]

  is that the sound of opening yeah [TS]

  presidential M&Ms there Brady yeah and [TS]

  here's the sound of me eating them [TS]

  they're very old so I probably shouldn't [TS]

  be doing this P here we go so it's it's [TS]

  a Fox of M&Ms with the president's logo [TS]

  and the president's signature below it [TS]

  yeah so you have Barack Obama signed [TS]

  presidential M&M Box I've never heard of [TS]

  this [TS]

  so is this something like they just pass [TS]

  out on Air Force One I guess I think you [TS]

  meet the president sometimes you get [TS]

  them and they're like a little souvenir [TS]

  yeah when you meet the president he [TS]

  shakes your hand and he gives you like a [TS]

  little wink and he slides you a box of [TS]

  heaven hams as a little chocolate reward [TS]

  I think that's kind of how it goes okay [TS]

  I bet it has a stir stuff about it and [TS]

  I'll send you one other thing that was [TS]

  in the package which was also really [TS]

  interesting it looks like those Hershey [TS]

  kisses have a little American flag [TS]

  wrapper the best flag the most love flag [TS]

  in the world fantastic we'll come to [TS]

  that in a minute no it is best flag most [TS]

  love flag so the other thing and I've [TS]

  just sent you a picture and these are [TS]

  like velcro patches which have had [TS]

  embroidered on them mmm one is the [TS]

  nailing gear and one is the H I'll oh go [TS]

  well you really did get a box full of [TS]

  goodies I did but the thing about these [TS]

  I said what are the pot with these [TS]

  patches all about and what these are is [TS]

  in the military you have unit patches [TS]

  that you wear on your uniform that most [TS]

  people also sneak on what they call [TS]

  morale patches hmm which are usually [TS]

  something he says in his email which are [TS]

  usually something crude funny meaningful [TS]

  or all of the above the Afghans on base [TS]

  make custom patches so I thought it [TS]

  would be cool to have the HIV egg and [TS]

  logo made not the best quality but [TS]

  unique so these are morale patches that [TS]

  have been made in Afghanistan by Afghans [TS]

  on the base for for our soldier I gotta [TS]

  say I think in particular the nailing [TS]

  gear makes a pretty badass morale badge [TS]

  I guess that looks pretty awesome it's [TS]

  cool it's cool so all these pictures of [TS]

  this stuff are in the show notes for [TS]

  people that want to look at them and [TS]

  they're well worth a look it's [TS]

  interesting [TS]

  I'm glad you enjoy getting boxes of [TS]

  treasures Brady when the operation [TS]

  project working total volcán comes to [TS]

  an end not only do I think Chris has to [TS]

  get a medal he has to get whatever the [TS]

  next one up is like with a cluster of [TS]

  acorns or whatever they whatever the [TS]

  upgrade is on a medal of honor yeah I [TS]

  have to say this stuff is absolutely [TS]

  fantastic [TS]

  thank you yes thank you thank you very [TS]

  much really enjoy it really enjoyed all [TS]

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  supporting the show we talked about was [TS]

  the American flag the most loved flag in [TS]

  the world mmm by its people mmm [TS]

  have you seen a lot of feedback on this [TS]

  gray if you had any thoughts I think [TS]

  some people sent some things in write [TS]

  some limp noodle kind of responses of [TS]

  like oh I think people really like the [TS]

  flag of Denmark oh there's lots of flags [TS]

  in the Isle of Man but like as far as [TS]

  I'm concerned the volume of responses [TS]

  that we got is an indicator that the [TS]

  American flag truly is the most loved [TS]

  flag in the world because if I think we [TS]

  were doing it in the reverse way if we [TS]

  were saying something like oh the Union [TS]

  Jack is the most loved flag in the world [TS]

  we would have heard from every American [TS]

  alive there would have been just a [TS]

  crushing tsunami of feedback so as far [TS]

  as I'm [TS]

  and the limited feedback on a couple of [TS]

  minor suggestions of places that really [TS]

  love their flag I'm not convinced I [TS]

  don't think they anybody really sold [TS]

  their point the American flag obviously [TS]

  most loved flag in the world I have a [TS]

  different perspective oh do you hmm [TS]

  because I've seen a lot of feedback on [TS]

  this mm-hmm [TS]

  lots of people made the cases for [TS]

  various flags sort of Canada came up [TS]

  quite a bit [TS]

  yeah Canada was probably the closest I [TS]

  would say no no no no oh excuse me [TS]

  excuse me [TS]

  without doubt the people who made the [TS]

  most noise and you're right because we [TS]

  were using America as the start point [TS]

  hmm we were less likely to have [TS]

  Americans contact us that is a good [TS]

  point you make but I'll come back to [TS]

  that in a minute but without doubt the [TS]

  people I heard from the most and the [TS]

  people who made the most voice sephorus [TS]

  case were Scandinavians from various [TS]

  countries hmm Norway came up a lot [TS]

  Sweden a bit and this is backed up very [TS]

  much actually by the postcard referendum [TS]

  because if you look at the front of the [TS]

  postcards which we didn't do very much [TS]

  during our count for obvious reasons [TS]

  yeah many many Scandinavians sent [TS]

  postcards that were just various photos [TS]

  of their Flags mm-hmm and when I go [TS]

  through them now for the podcast [TS]

  postcard website I'm always seeing [TS]

  Scandinavian Flags hmm but amongst the [TS]

  feedback we got and you mentioned it [TS]

  without doubt Denmark came up the most [TS]

  often yeah that was the one that I saw [TS]

  the most of I think Danish people [TS]

  definitely love their flag I've been [TS]

  I've been looking at a little bit and I [TS]

  can see various reasons for it one is [TS]

  and I didn't realize this apparently it [TS]

  is the flag that holds the record for [TS]

  being the oldest continuously used [TS]

  national flag hmm which is I can see why [TS]

  that's something that would take some [TS]

  pride in mmm I think Denmark has a fair [TS]

  claim to it definitely anecdotally and [TS]

  you can read a lot about it and it's got [TS]

  a name and they talk all about it [TS]

  so maybe Denmark maybe Denmark when it [TS]

  comes to the United States definitely [TS]

  their Flags a big deal no no no I'm not [TS]

  going to argue against that but for me I [TS]

  could be wrong about this but I feel a [TS]

  little bit like with Americans Americans [TS]

  just love America so much and love being [TS]

  American and they're kind of frustrated [TS]

  that they need to find a way to show [TS]

  their Americanists [TS]

  that's what they use the flag for so [TS]

  like I sometimes think that kind of over [TS]

  love of the American flag and American [TS]

  flags everywhere is is not so much a [TS]

  love of the flag for the flag itself but [TS]

  for just the love of their country [TS]

  whereas the Denmark flag love does seem [TS]

  a lot more disconnected from being [TS]

  Danish and it's just we just think our [TS]

  flag is beautiful and it's like got this [TS]

  great history and we like using it for [TS]

  decorating our Christmas trees and [TS]

  things like that like they just like [TS]

  their flag it's not you know Jenna [TS]

  market where Danish [TS]

  let's put Danish flags over everything [TS]

  because we're the best country it's more [TS]

  just we think our Flags beautiful and [TS]

  it's got a great story in a great [TS]

  history and I know America has a bit of [TS]

  that too but America it's a lot more [TS]

  used as just like this device for [TS]

  showing their love of the country and I [TS]

  think that's an important difference I [TS]

  don't know man I feel like you're trying [TS]

  to create another category here so that [TS]

  you can have a win for Denmark like this [TS]

  all like oh I'm going to I'm going to [TS]

  come up with this thing about the Danish [TS]

  people loving their flag is like an [TS]

  independent thing separate from the [TS]

  nation of Denmark as opposed to all the [TS]

  Americans like I'm not buying your story [TS]

  here Brady I do agree with you like [TS]

  Americans love the American flag because [TS]

  they love America yeah but that's what [TS]

  this is right the flag is it's a thing [TS]

  it's a literal flag to wave for whatever [TS]

  team you're associating with that's what [TS]

  it is [TS]

  Chris but I don't think that's what the [TS]

  Danish are doing I think they're a [TS]

  little bit more dispassionate about it [TS]

  well and I think they're more just we [TS]

  think it's got a great story and we like [TS]

  how it looks there dispassion sounds [TS]

  like less intense love that's what it [TS]

  sounds like yeah this they're they're [TS]

  sitting in a cultural museum in [TS]

  Scandinavia going quite yes about what a [TS]

  lovely flag right but Americans I mean [TS]

  they're they're plastering it all over [TS]

  everything they've got pants with the [TS]

  stripes [TS]

  they've got funny hats I think the [TS]

  American love is obviously the most [TS]

  intense in the world for their flag I'm [TS]

  gonna let it go [TS]

  score one for Team America okay you can [TS]

  have it [TS]

  I don't agree and I think I could make [TS]

  more points but maybe we'll save it for [TS]

  another day because it's any follow up [TS]

  now we talked about what does English [TS]

  sound like to non English speakers a [TS]

  good way of putting it which we didn't [TS]

  put at the time but I think I've since [TS]

  seen you put it [TS]

  what does English gibberish [TS]

  sound like mm-hmm and people sent us [TS]

  various videos and gray posted a video [TS]

  and I've seen all sorts of things but [TS]

  there was one video that was sent by a [TS]

  person who I don't know and I tried to [TS]

  find out who it was because I wanted to [TS]

  thank them but it's been lost in the [TS]

  mists of time but they sent me this [TS]

  video and I'm so glad they did because I [TS]

  has become my one of my all-time [TS]

  favorite YouTube videos and I reckon I [TS]

  much must have watched it 20 times this [TS]

  week it's a song by someone called [TS]

  Adriano Celentano and and how would you [TS]

  say the title of this song Brady [TS]

  oh I'll pass on that yeah you gonna pass [TS]

  cuz it spits it looks like a big [TS]

  nonsensical word to me but this this [TS]

  Italian guy apparently is like a really [TS]

  big deal in Italy he's like this famous [TS]

  actor director musician singer comedian [TS]

  he sounds like he's a bit of everything [TS]

  mm-hmm and this video is him it looks [TS]

  like it was filmed this clip I've got [TS]

  other it looks like it was filmed at [TS]

  like some live TV show and yeah [TS]

  performance where he's pretending to [TS]

  kind of like be a school teacher in [TS]

  front of a classroom which are all in [TS]

  fact kind of you know dancing women at [TS]

  desks hmm and he sings this song to them [TS]

  and they sort of sing along as well and [TS]

  it's English gibberish it's I read a [TS]

  description of it somewhere where it was [TS]

  basically he wrote this song from when [TS]

  he was and he couldn't speak English but [TS]

  he used to always listen to American [TS]

  song Zulu and he sort of thought they [TS]

  all kind of sounded a bit the same and [TS]

  even though he didn't understand that [TS]

  they had a sound to them and this is [TS]

  huge making the sounds of American songs [TS]

  and he sings this song on stage and I [TS]

  bloody love it yeah I gotta say I hadn't [TS]

  seen this before it is fantastic like we [TS]

  got inundated with a bunch of different [TS]

  versions of what does English sound like [TS]

  videos and all of them are I mean [TS]

  obviously I can't actually know because [TS]

  I like English is the only language I [TS]

  speak but a lot of them it doesn't sound [TS]

  right to me or it feels like I don't [TS]

  know how accurate that is like I'm just [TS]

  not impressed with them mm I would say [TS]

  that this video feels like it really [TS]

  does capture something and I think the [TS]

  fact that it's a song really helped [TS]

  yes it's like allowing you to unfocus a [TS]

  little bit on the words and go for the [TS]

  sounds time [TS]

  my head begin to go home Emma stay yet [TS]

  because it's a really common thing [TS]

  anyway for US isn't it Ted listen to a [TS]

  song and not really and like you could [TS]

  listen to a whole song and I could say [TS]

  da RA what was that song about and [TS]

  you're like oh I don't know I wasn't [TS]

  really listening to the words like I [TS]

  know it was in English because I heard [TS]

  the odd word and I enjoyed it but I [TS]

  don't know what it was about and I [TS]

  didn't really hear it and that's what [TS]

  this is like it's like you're listening [TS]

  to it I can see really good song and [TS]

  yeah it's English because he seems to be [TS]

  saying the odd word that I hear is [TS]

  English but when you sit there and say [TS]

  what is he actually singing and listen [TS]

  to it word for word [TS]

  you realize it's just absolute nonsense [TS]

  yeah so it's absolute genius and it's a [TS]

  really cool song it is fantastic it does [TS]

  have this weird quality of being like a [TS]

  generic song like I feel like I've heard [TS]

  this song a thousand times but this is a [TS]

  new thing the video is also just bizarre [TS]

  his mannerisms school girls the whole [TS]

  thing has the quality of like am i high [TS]

  watching this it's very weird but I [TS]

  think that really adds to it and as an [TS]

  English speaker this is the thing that [TS]

  to me I feel like comes closest to [TS]

  conveying a sense of what it must be [TS]

  like to hear English if you don't [TS]

  actually understand English and it's [TS]

  interesting to hear you say that he [TS]

  wrote it when he didn't speak English so [TS]

  like thinking maybe that's partly what [TS]

  captures it as well like he's just [TS]

  trying to go for a song that sounds like [TS]

  all of these things in the ears so it's [TS]

  really fantastic it'll be in the show [TS]

  notes and people should definitely check [TS]

  it out it's worth watching as well as [TS]

  just hearing it is worth watching he's [TS]

  apparently his nickname Italy is molar [TS]

  Giotto which means the flexible one [TS]

  because it is dancing which makes sense [TS]

  if you see he's dancing it's quite funny [TS]

  but go on great be naughty you're going [TS]

  to play a little bit of a higher [TS]

  you know as soon as you get out of the [TS]

  door every but I'm absolutely oh that's [TS]

  fair use that's fair use I tell you I've [TS]

  sat here watching it so many times I [TS]

  love it I love it [TS]

  you know CPR demand or every mother's [TS]

  alive PPO so great I've got a bit of [TS]

  follow-up that dates back to there must [TS]

  be one of our first-ever episodes where [TS]

  we talked about electricity in bathrooms [TS]

  oh yeah do you remember this not really [TS]

  no I was kind of banging on about [TS]

  electricity I got even what we were [TS]

  doing but I dare to say like just as a [TS]

  slight side down here we have definitely [TS]

  reached the point where just the past [TS]

  couple days on Twitter people were [TS]

  sending me things that were obviously [TS]

  follow-up to the show and have like I [TS]

  have no idea what you're talking about I [TS]

  want you reverencing right is like we've [TS]

  done it so long I'm getting follow-up [TS]

  items for things like I don't remember [TS]

  what I could have ever said on this [TS]

  topic but obviously we discussed it at [TS]

  some point in the past so this is [TS]

  definitely falling into this category of [TS]

  like electricity in the bathrooms how we [TS]

  discussed that I'll take your word for [TS]

  it well my memory was I was bigging up [TS]

  the danger of electricity in bathrooms [TS]

  and the danger that people could die [TS]

  from the mixture of electricity and [TS]

  water and you would you would [TS]

  downplaying it that sounds like my [TS]

  opinion yeah I'm not going to claim like [TS]

  a one-off story changes anything there [TS]

  was an interesting news story that lots [TS]

  of people pointed out and because it [TS]

  involved iPhones as well I thought it [TS]

  was worth a nod and that was the story [TS]

  of a man in the UK who has sadly died [TS]

  while in the bath and he was [TS]

  electrocuted by his iPhone which he was [TS]

  charging and what I'm immediately [TS]

  suspicious of this whole story oh no [TS]

  this is totally legit it was like a [TS]

  coronal in question that let me put it [TS]

  this way it's not that I'm suspicious [TS]

  that the story exert like I need the [TS]

  details of this I'll give you some okay [TS]

  what what exactly happened here he [TS]

  plugged the charger into an extension [TS]

  cord from the whole way and then rested [TS]

  it on his chest while using the phone [TS]

  okay so he's not actually using the [TS]

  electricity in the bathroom he's [TS]

  plugging into the electricity outside of [TS]

  the bathroom yeah but I thought you said [TS]

  it was I care to have electricity in the [TS]

  bathroom in the UK I know there's a [TS]

  whole bunch of like weird additional [TS]

  requirements about like what electrical [TS]

  sockets you could have in the bathroom [TS]

  like this additional annoyances about [TS]

  electricity in the bathroom at least in [TS]

  the UK which [TS]

  this guy was obviously circumventing by [TS]

  bribing extension cord go use safety [TS]

  measures there hell with this so he had [TS]

  the phone on his light chest arm and [TS]

  hand and part of it touched the water [TS]

  and then he was really badly burned and [TS]

  really badly injured and he died of [TS]

  course so and it sounds like it was [TS]

  pretty it was pretty horrific the [TS]

  coroner said these seem like an oculus [TS]

  devices but can be as dangerous as a [TS]

  hairdryer in the bathroom they should [TS]

  attach warnings I intend to write a [TS]

  report later to the makers of the phone [TS]

  okay yeah you yeah you do that buddy [TS]

  yeah let's you know if I loved ever [TS]

  warning on absolutely everything that's [TS]

  what we need more more written warnings [TS]

  that nobody pays attention to I mean I [TS]

  think this I think this person was doing [TS]

  a silly thing but as you know I'm very [TS]

  paranoid about electricity in bathrooms [TS]

  my question with this and the thing that [TS]

  is confusing to me is where is the [TS]

  circuit breaker in all of this I want to [TS]

  know what was this cable plugged into on [TS]

  the other end yeah and wasn't like a [TS]

  pirate cable or was it like a legit [TS]

  Apple one as well I'm not clear on I [TS]

  think the UK fuses it up a bit too much [TS]

  like there's a fuse in the plug head all [TS]

  right there's a fuse in the circuit [TS]

  breaker for your house like then there's [TS]

  a fuse for the circuit breaker in the [TS]

  room when you tell me that like a dude [TS]

  is running a cable out of his bathroom [TS]

  into some other thing and he [TS]

  electrocuted himself to death I just [TS]

  want to know where where was the circuit [TS]

  breaker I think bathrooms I'm just [TS]

  reading some comments under the story [TS]

  now apparently bathrooms even in America [TS]

  maybe have these super fast circuit [TS]

  breakers ground fault circuit [TS]

  interrupters which are faster and which [TS]

  are handy for appliances and water and [TS]

  because obviously he was circumventing [TS]

  that by plugging it in outside the [TS]

  bathroom he made matters worse for [TS]

  himself so don't plug things into [TS]

  electricity and lead cords into your [TS]

  bathroom and then put the cord over the [TS]

  lip of the bath into the bath full of [TS]

  water you're lying in I think is the [TS]

  take home message from that yeah maybe I [TS]

  just I feel like there's some missing [TS]

  piece to this story [TS]

  like he was doing something dumber than [TS]

  it sounds like just from this [TS]

  description I feel like there's a [TS]

  missing piece to this I'm not [TS]

  encouraging that people do dumb things [TS]

  electricity in the bathroom I've heard [TS]

  like I'm not on the [TS]

  opposite side of that I just feel like [TS]

  there's something in this story that is [TS]

  incomplete is this nagging feeling that [TS]

  I have I don't know if someone was [TS]

  charging their iPhone and so ultimately [TS]

  the phone was attached in some way to [TS]

  the mains electricity and they were in [TS]

  the bath and the phone was anywhere near [TS]

  the bath I would lose the plot I would [TS]

  go crazy if I saw someone doing that so [TS]

  you would obviously be a little bit more [TS]

  relaxed about it yeah I'd be asking all [TS]

  kinds of questions about like Oh to give [TS]

  all the proper fuses in place how you do [TS]

  okay I wouldn't worry anyway thanks to [TS]

  everyone who also sent it to us it shows [TS]

  that even things from episode I don't [TS]

  know it must be one of the first few [TS]

  episodes still coming up people have [TS]

  good memories people have good memories [TS]

  no it's not that people have good [TS]

  memories Brady's that somebody is always [TS]

  listening to the show right at that time [TS]

  that's what's happening right it's not [TS]

  that people remember it's it's this wave [TS]

  of people who are working their ways [TS]

  through the show from the beginning [TS]

  that's what's it going there either the [TS]

  day after this podcast goes out or just [TS]

  when people are listening to it that [TS]

  brexit the official notice is going to [TS]

  actually be served supposedly on the [TS]

  29th of March brexit is going to happen [TS]

  yep for real article 50 speed triggered [TS]

  bricks is real this is a thing that I [TS]

  was like very wrong about because I kept [TS]

  personally thinking like there's no way [TS]

  it's going to actually happen I was [TS]

  expecting oh there's going to be delays [TS]

  and delays forever [TS]

  that's just like it's all words words [TS]

  words until the thing actually happens [TS]

  so this is a case where like the thing [TS]

  is is definitely happening and I have to [TS]

  say this like of this is this is a the [TS]

  most surprising political thing to me [TS]

  and it's like well I guess it's it's [TS]

  really going to be here and I am [TS]

  surprised and I also I also think I'll [TS]

  put the link to Teresa's may Theresa [TS]

  Mays interview about why Scotland [TS]

  shouldn't have a independence referendum [TS]

  now we look at the time grey no it's not [TS]

  the time no now that the time we can't [TS]

  have a referendum where you don't know [TS]

  what the results are gonna be on the [TS]

  other side Brady that would be crazy [TS]

  Scotland wouldn't want to do that no no [TS]

  not at all Scotland if you're listening [TS]

  I'm [TS]

  still saying I think you should run [TS]

  right that's still my opinion like get [TS]

  out while you can guys you know if [TS]

  bricks it hadn't happened hmm [TS]

  the campaign for another vote on it [TS]

  would already be sort of starting right [TS]

  yeah that's another phone just like how [TS]

  Scottish independence didn't happen and [TS]

  they found an excuse to discuss it again [TS]

  in Australia when they wanted to become [TS]

  a republic and it didn't happen you know [TS]

  talk starts about doing it again and [TS]

  stuff and it seems like when when change [TS]

  doesn't happen you just start wanting it [TS]

  but the minute we voted for change [TS]

  there was no correspondence being [TS]

  entered into about having a second vote [TS]

  on that it's like we're doing it we [TS]

  don't do that we're bristle the button [TS]

  right now like it's a funny thing isn't [TS]

  it's the same with all these things like [TS]

  like the people don't accept the umpires [TS]

  decision and then until and then when [TS]

  the umpires decision goes a certain way [TS]

  we like we all go crazy so there we go [TS]

  we're leaving the EU so I still haven't [TS]

  applied for my Irish passport I must do [TS]

  that I forgot you were going to do that [TS]

  yeah yeah my wife is busy working [TS]

  through some UK citizenship papers like [TS]

  Justin kicks um so yeah now we're trying [TS]

  to or just have like working on a [TS]

  contingency plan just in case so try to [TS]

  make things nice and smooth I find it [TS]

  amazing I find it amazing that you start [TS]

  two-year process to leave and start the [TS]

  negotiation with like no there's no [TS]

  safety net or anything that's just like [TS]

  you you're in the I can't imagine being [TS]

  in a weaker negotiating position than [TS]

  the UK is in like they're in there in [TS]

  like such they got nothing I know [TS]

  they've got is we buy a lot of German [TS]

  cars that's all we've got and like you [TS]

  know I don't think Germany's gonna give [TS]

  us you know and Germany's that hasn't [TS]

  got the final sad anything anyway so but [TS]

  that's the only argument I ever hear for [TS]

  Europe giving us any anything at all is [TS]

  are they kind of need us because we buy [TS]

  a lot of cars we don't buy that many [TS]

  cars no it's it's astounding UK does [TS]

  seem to be in a terrible negotiating [TS]

  position ah like the worst ever [TS]

  but too recently is still super [TS]

  confidence [TS]

  I hope she's right you know I hope she's [TS]

  right I want to be really really wrong [TS]

  on this I want that UK to do amazingly [TS]

  well as an independent wales glint like [TS]

  i hope [TS]

  fantastically I think Teresa Mays in [TS]

  such a strange position because I don't [TS]

  think she's that passionate about it [TS]

  like she was never she wasn't pro brexit [TS]

  before the election but obviously it [TS]

  made her prime minister because Carolyn [TS]

  went it's a bit like if you it's a bit [TS]

  like if I made a youtube video about [TS]

  clouds mm-hmm and it got a hundred [TS]

  million views and I began I began and I [TS]

  became the cloud guy Brady Haran the guy [TS]

  that made the hundred million view cloud [TS]

  video what's he going to do next and [TS]

  suddenly I would find myself having to [TS]

  be like a cloud youtuber right and all [TS]

  my videos are about clouds cuz it's what [TS]

  made me and that's what's happened to [TS]

  her she's like I know people that's [TS]

  happened to essentially yeah this really [TS]

  does happen on YouTube like yeah what [TS]

  yeah this is you forever now you become [TS]

  you become known for something so and [TS]

  that's what's happened to her it was [TS]

  cheap bricks it is her clouds video and [TS]

  now she's like she has to just go all-in [TS]

  yeah yeah it made me prime minister I [TS]

  love bricks it we're gonna do it we're [TS]

  going all the way even though she's not [TS]

  that into it it's gonna be a fun two [TS]

  years I'm sure it's gonna be car wreck [TS]

  six months top will have it all wrapped [TS]

  up negotiations will be done nice bow on [TS]

  top of it the EU will be very happy to [TS]

  work with us on all of our demands it's [TS]

  going to be fantastic oh well you could [TS]

  always move back to America it's great [TS]

  over there or I can move to the EU [TS]

  you've got options there's no more [TS]

  english-speaking countries in the ae4 [TS]

  there for you though is there Ireland [TS]

  Ireland speaks English oh yeah and the [TS]

  Netherlands speaks English much they [TS]

  speak better English than us yeah [TS]

  finally whenever I go there as far as I [TS]

  can tell everybody speaks English yeah I [TS]

  like touch people yeah Dutch people are [TS]

  the best yeah hoggle slug fantastic two [TS]

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  friend of mine professor Polyakov with [TS]

  whom I've been making chemistry videos [TS]

  for many years now [TS]

  now you might recall he and I recently [TS]

  went on a special trip to Russia and [TS]

  we'd been talking about doing this for [TS]

  many years it went really well and I [TS]

  thought it would be nice to give him a [TS]

  little memento of the trip I found my [TS]

  favorite pick of him and me and we're [TS]

  with you reorganising the famous [TS]

  scientist after whom a new elements been [TS]

  named I think professor Polyakov would [TS]

  like this for his wall his office at the [TS]

  University of Nottingham so let's do [TS]

  this first I'll do what you should do [TS]

  and go to fracture me.com slash podcast [TS]

  again that's fracture me all as one [TS]

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  it's going to get you 10% off your first [TS]

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  you can tick the one that brought you to [TS]

  the site now it might be that a few [TS]

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  if that's the case well just follow your [TS]

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  there we get started and you'll be asked [TS]

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  can also do this from Facebook or [TS]

  Instagram but I've got a photo in mind [TS]

  it's ready here it's a cheesy selfie of [TS]

  me and the two profs it was quite funny [TS]

  actually when I asked to take the [TS]

  picture professor or Ganesha and said [TS]

  selfie with a thick Russian accent I [TS]

  think he'd been roped into a few since [TS]

  he's become that little extra it famous [TS]

  now being asked to choose a size from [TS]

  small through to extra-large I'm going [TS]

  to opt for medium which I think will be [TS]

  big enough to see but not too big [TS]

  because the profs already got pretty [TS]

  full walls now there's an advanced [TS]

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  for ten percent off tell them hello [TS]

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  fracture for supporting the podcast [TS]

  should mps members of parliament in the [TS]

  UK be allowed to have second jobs [TS]

  because they do okay but but the reason [TS]

  it's become a story in the last week or [TS]

  two is the former chancellor of the [TS]

  exchequer like the treasurer guy called [TS]

  george osborne has just become funnily [TS]

  enough the editor of a major newspaper [TS]

  in London he's look growing industry [TS]

  yeah he's been appointed editor of a [TS]

  newspaper which in itself is full of [TS]

  weird conflicts in there so I think [TS]

  until now that until now I think people [TS]

  have been kind of all right about MPs [TS]

  having other jobs if they're like a [TS]

  doctor or a lawyer or something but this [TS]

  one like I think was a step too far so [TS]

  that's the whole issue into the [TS]

  spotlight but I find it completely [TS]

  strange anyway that members of [TS]

  parliament can even have other jobs like [TS]

  it just says to make like being a member [TS]

  of parliament doesn't shouldn't be a [TS]

  part-time job to me it just makes it [TS]

  seem like it's just a big soft job [TS]

  anyway that you've got time to go and [TS]

  you know you should be representing your [TS]

  constituents and going to Parliament and [TS]

  debating and voting and writing jobs and [TS]

  really sorry you're so charming I feel [TS]

  like I want to pat you on the head like [TS]

  oh isn't that sweet like how much I mean [TS]

  every everybody like has a bit spare [TS]

  time in their job and daus's a bit but [TS]

  actually having whole other jobs mm-hmm [TS]

  like you know if I employed someone as [TS]

  none as a you know a full-time filmmaker [TS]

  for me and I found out on the side they [TS]

  were also running a law practice I'd be [TS]

  like I got a second what I thought you [TS]

  worked for me so like to do it so [TS]

  brazenly so I don't know and the [TS]

  counter-argument is they think MPs need [TS]

  to be diverse and understand the [TS]

  the world works and therefore you should [TS]

  just have career politicians [TS]

  you should have people who know the [TS]

  world so you want to encourage people [TS]

  who have other jobs but that's okay I [TS]

  want people to come from an interesting [TS]

  background and have experienced the [TS]

  world but the day you get elected I [TS]

  think you should put that job on hold [TS]

  and be working for the people for at [TS]

  least four or five years [TS]

  okay so here's question I don't know the [TS]

  answer to this are there term limits for [TS]

  MPS in the UK No okay so you could you [TS]

  could theoretically be an MP for the [TS]

  whole rest of your life yes huh [TS]

  because I was thinking like oh if [TS]

  there's term limits you know you have to [TS]

  have you have to be prepared for the day [TS]

  that you get voted out of office they [TS]

  get great pensions I you know even if [TS]

  they only one term though this they've [TS]

  got a good pension for life they'd taken [TS]

  care of yeah but I bet like I'm just [TS]

  gonna I'm just going to suggest that [TS]

  perhaps the kinds of people who become [TS]

  politicians are ambitious people who [TS]

  like to do stuff like I think that has [TS]

  to just be part of your personality you [TS]

  know no matter what you might think of [TS]

  any particular politician I don't think [TS]

  that they're a bunch of lazybones [TS]

  all right so you're saying let them have [TS]

  their cake and eat it too well if [TS]

  there's no if there's no term limits I [TS]

  think that actually does make things [TS]

  ever so slightly different but I don't [TS]

  know I I'm kind of with you I feel like [TS]

  it's mostly an indication of what I [TS]

  would kind of suspect that at least in [TS]

  the UK like being a member of parliament [TS]

  it's not actually a lot of time it's not [TS]

  it's not taking up 70 hours a week if [TS]

  you're also being a doctor on the side [TS]

  right you're you're keeping up your law [TS]

  practice I mean I guess what I'm [TS]

  wondering here Brady is are you are you [TS]

  going to be running as an MP and you [TS]

  want to know if you can keep your [TS]

  youtube job on the side I think if one [TS]

  of us was going to become a politician [TS]

  it would be you I think I think you [TS]

  would be better at it [TS]

  ie I could not disagree with you more I [TS]

  would be the worst politic like no you [TS]

  would be a better politician than I [TS]

  would without a doubt no question about [TS]

  it [TS]

  you're such like you're an affable guy [TS]

  everybody loves Brady you know you [TS]

  shake people's hands you get stuff done [TS]

  you like you're literally creating [TS]

  manufacturing jobs in the United Kingdom [TS]

  with the production of shoes III like [TS]

  thank you sure yeah I would god I might [TS]

  get voted in Northamptonshire now yeah [TS]

  yeah I if you're you're halfway there [TS]

  already I'm surprised you haven't been [TS]

  elected or I couldn't be a politician [TS]

  why why do you say that I'm too [TS]

  passionate it's in that that seems like [TS]

  it's a it's an advantage you get to give [TS]

  like a 5 year to ask fiery questions [TS]

  during prime ministers but I know it's [TS]

  like but you also like you get asked [TS]

  questions and I'd give the wrong answers [TS]

  and you're thinking I don't politic I'm [TS]

  not yeah I'm not careful enough you're [TS]

  like more careful yeah see this is where [TS]

  I have a totally disagree with you I [TS]

  don't think that's the case I am [TS]

  terrible with people I am not good at [TS]

  negotiating I'm not good at working with [TS]

  people you are good at negotiating and [TS]

  you're not terrible with people like you [TS]

  don't like it but when you have to do it [TS]

  and like you know you go and give [TS]

  yourself a little psych up in the back [TS]

  room beforehand this is a Julia which [TS]

  when you actually step out and do it [TS]

  you're very good you're very charming [TS]

  you're very entertaining and people that [TS]

  you know people like talking to you [TS]

  so you just have to give yourself you [TS]

  just you just have to go and give [TS]

  yourself a little psych up each time or [TS]

  like have a little little nip of vodka [TS]

  or something [TS]

  Charlie either that sounds like a great [TS]

  start to a political career [TS]

  we Winston Churchill in no time maybe no [TS]

  other of us can really be politicians [TS]

  iced I I genuinely think you could do it [TS]

  no I think if you put your mind to it [TS]

  you could do it Brady I think because [TS]

  you also have to get elected someone [TS]

  someone could cut together 20 seconds [TS]

  out of this podcast I'd be the most [TS]

  unelected person ever hmm what do you [TS]

  think about teachers ad teachers they're [TS]

  basically babysitters crossed with [TS]

  prison guards like okay whomp like there [TS]

  goes a huge fortune yeah I guess you've [TS]

  got some pretty bit of positions on a [TS]

  few things but I'd be a problem [TS]

  I'm sure the news media would love me [TS]

  right oh the news I don't read it this [TS]

  word looks like a great I can't wait for [TS]

  all the good stories that are going to [TS]

  come out to me in the media so that's [TS]

  why I wouldn't have it I wouldn't have a [TS]

  chance in the world of being a [TS]

  politician and I also think I would be [TS]

  too absolutely [TS]

  terrible at it mmm Lana but for Brady I [TS]

  think really could do it so sports ball [TS]

  corner we didn't do one last time so [TS]

  yeah we don't do one every time I think [TS]

  this one has a better chance than usual [TS]

  this one I think I think so because well [TS]

  a it doesn't involve bowls and secondly [TS]

  it doesn't involve the shaggy dog story [TS]

  or a specific story okay it's more just [TS]

  a general opinion all right because [TS]

  there's been a lot of horse racing on [TS]

  lately and horse racing is one of the [TS]

  few sports that I I don't even consider [TS]

  it a sport are there a lot of bins with [TS]

  horse racing like is there yeah there's [TS]

  like a peaks this is like peak season so [TS]

  we just there's just being a thing [TS]

  called the Gold Cup in Cheltenham and [TS]

  stuff in the UK but aspire bias it's [TS]

  it's been one of the big horse events of [TS]

  the year so it's been in my face a bit [TS]

  and let's take all my usual sport [TS]

  sources like radio stations I listen to [TS]

  in the car and stuff have been like [TS]

  deluging me with horse racing which I [TS]

  don't like because I don't think it's a [TS]

  sport but I see a slight hypocrisy in [TS]

  myself because I do consider motor [TS]

  racing a sport and I love Formula one [TS]

  hmm [TS]

  but I can imagine some of the same [TS]

  arguments that are used against the car [TS]

  racing thing how sporty that is versus [TS]

  horse racing where do where do you place [TS]

  horse racing and car racing on the [TS]

  spectrum of things that you consider to [TS]

  be sport whatever sport means horse [TS]

  racing seems like more of a sport at [TS]

  least for the horses than car racing [TS]

  well okay yeah for the horses I wasn't [TS]

  really thinking the horses perspective [TS]

  yeah but they're the ones doing the like [TS]

  they're the ones doing the work well [TS]

  they're not the ones getting all the [TS]

  nice things it's not about that nice [TS]

  things but it's like this sport right [TS]

  it's like a physical contests you know [TS]

  they consider horse racing to be just [TS]

  like a horse sport and we're just [TS]

  where's watching but I don't think the [TS]

  horses know they're competing against [TS]

  each other I don't this it's not [TS]

  relevant is that not relevant the horses [TS]

  the horses could lack consciousness at [TS]

  all and I think it would still be a [TS]

  sport right it's like a physical [TS]

  competition between so we're forced so [TS]

  if at the end of the month I said guess [TS]

  what gray I just beat you in the donut [TS]

  eating contest I ate four Donuts this [TS]

  month [TS]

  you ate three and you're like I didn't [TS]

  know we were having a donut eating [TS]

  contest I'd say it doesn't matter I [TS]

  still won like you have to know you're [TS]

  competing for something to be a contest [TS]

  otherwise it's not a contest like okay [TS]

  when I'm thinking I was I thinking like [TS]

  greyhound racing you know where they [TS]

  chase the little they chase the little [TS]

  rag yeah well I don't don't start me on [TS]

  that I don't think that's a sport I like [TS]

  but I know people do but I have the same [TS]

  problem with it like it so but you [TS]

  consider horse-racing more of a sport [TS]

  than car racing yeah more of a sport for [TS]

  horses right but less of a sport for [TS]

  humans probably well I mean you [TS]

  obviously know horse racing has jockeys [TS]

  don't you and trainers who train the [TS]

  horses but yeah yeah that yeah there's [TS]

  trainers there's there's jockeys hmm I [TS]

  feel like the rare times I have ridden a [TS]

  horse I'm very sore afterward so it's [TS]

  obviously a physical activity it's not [TS]

  like you've ridden a horse I can't [TS]

  believe you've ridden a horse listen man [TS]

  I've ridden horses you know where have [TS]

  you ridden horses you know where you up [TS]

  where you ride horses don't you don't [TS]

  you worry about it look you know maybe [TS]

  when you last ride a horse when did I [TS]

  last ride a horse uh-oh I could probably [TS]

  actually pull up the photo of when I [TS]

  last wrote a horse I'm gonna say about [TS]

  nine years ago it was the last time I [TS]

  rode a horse god I was a little kid last [TS]

  time I was on a horse like I was like [TS]

  yeah but were you want like a horse or [TS]

  were you on a pony like did you take was [TS]

  like I was on a horse but they were like [TS]

  four of them in a row tied to each other [TS]

  I'm not no no no I've never like ridden [TS]

  a horse like beyond just walking around [TS]

  like like a sandy track inside a fence [TS]

  I've never ridden a horse properly I [TS]

  think I have no it sounds like you and I [TS]

  had very different upbringings I've [TS]

  written an elephant I have not written [TS]

  an elephant I remember riding elephants [TS]

  and I was about to go on this elephant [TS]

  ride and at the start of the ride they [TS]

  gave us like this huge bunch of bananas [TS]

  and said you can go and feed the [TS]

  elephant so I'm like oh because you're [TS]

  such a nice elephant you're about to [TS]

  give me a ride I'm gonna give you lots [TS]

  and lots of bananas so I must have given [TS]

  this elephant like the 40 bananas and I [TS]

  don't know that's like nothing for them [TS]

  and just as I was giving it the last [TS]

  banana and it was taking it [TS]

  it was like taking my final banana and [TS]

  eating at this big lovely greedy [TS]

  elephant they walked up to me with this [TS]

  like second elephant that was like [TS]

  desperately reaching out trying to get [TS]

  my last banana but it was too late the [TS]

  other one had got it [TS]

  and it turns out this second elephant [TS]

  was the one that was taking me on the [TS]

  ride and this other one was just the one [TS]

  that sits there and eats bananas because [TS]

  it's nice and tame and the poor one that [TS]

  was doing all the hard Yakka got no [TS]

  bananas that I feel sad just listening [TS]

  to that story [TS]

  yeah this this just that I've never seen [TS]

  a trunk look sad but it was quite [TS]

  impressive so when was your last horse [TS]

  ride he found the picture uh I wasn't [TS]

  actually looking but yeah I think about [TS]

  nine years ago that's probably not right [TS]

  where were you uh I was out in Arizona [TS]

  or New Mexico somewhere did like a like [TS]

  a trail ride on a horse what kind of hat [TS]

  were you wearing uh the coolest cowboy [TS]

  hat imaginable did you really wear a [TS]

  cowboy hat [TS]

  I must have yeah cowboy hat boots champ [TS]

  cappings chaps for the stirrups yeah did [TS]

  you have a less oh yeah yeah I had a [TS]

  less ooh as well there's all the all the [TS]

  horseback riding gear it was great you [TS]

  chewing tobacco no no it's out chew [TS]

  tobacco that horse out know this look [TS]

  I'm not just making up stuff here and [TS]

  there would beat you in tobacco no [TS]

  that's cool man [TS]

  but anyway back to the main point Oh [TS]

  racing sport for horses yes that's [TS]

  that's my verdict here okay I don't [TS]

  think this the horses need to know [TS]

  they're competing for it to still be a [TS]

  horse board all right so the other thing [TS]

  I wanted to bring up and this is another [TS]

  thing that's been in the news bit lately [TS]

  weird where do you stand on eSports [TS]

  because this is there's been a lot of [TS]

  debate lately about whether eSports or [TS]

  sport or not because some some like the [TS]

  world's best eSport computer game person [TS]

  recently got like the same high-level [TS]

  exclusive visa for the US that athletes [TS]

  get yeah the eSports thing I find kind [TS]

  of fascinating why am I not surprised [TS]

  well no just to be clear I don't [TS]

  actually really I don't follow esports [TS]

  in any way what I find [TS]

  fascinating about it is that it has all [TS]

  of the trappings of real sports right [TS]

  like there's something endlessly [TS]

  hilarious to me about watching say a [TS]

  Starcraft game and hearing that like the [TS]

  sports commentators doing like the [TS]

  sports commentator voice and and it I [TS]

  don't know there's something that's [TS]

  super funny about that to me I think [TS]

  that's a much more interesting question [TS]

  than the than the horses because I feel [TS]

  like you need to have some kind of [TS]

  physical components to a sports and if [TS]

  you've ever seen what the best in the [TS]

  world eSports guys are doing I think you [TS]

  can make a real argument for it's a [TS]

  tremendous physical skill like their [TS]

  their ability to manipulate the keyboard [TS]

  and mouse it's like it sounds like a [TS]

  joke but I'll try to wrestle up some of [TS]

  these videos like right now and I have [TS]

  like go down ring they have good [TS]

  reflexes and yeah I don't so much buy [TS]

  into the argument that people like to [TS]

  make that I have to be super fit you [TS]

  know and exercise Lots because so that's [TS]

  the peak condition I'm in and I get [TS]

  that's legitimate but I don't really [TS]

  agree with it but yeah I agree they have [TS]

  like like really good reflexes and [TS]

  coordination which is two things that [TS]

  make someone good at sport and they like [TS]

  have good and there can be quite [TS]

  tactical to be honest like when you [TS]

  first say eSports and computer games to [TS]

  me I like kind of scoff and don't think [TS]

  it's sport and really that is what I [TS]

  think but whenever I read like a written [TS]

  argument where the two cases are [TS]

  outlined and I've read a few different [TS]

  arguments about is that are they sports [TS]

  people or not I always land on the side [TS]

  wall they kind of are really it's kind [TS]

  of you can't really argue [TS]

  of you can't really argue [TS]

  that when you look at some other people [TS]

  who are considered you know because I [TS]

  consider sort of you know snooker [TS]

  players and darts and that I consider [TS]

  sport even though the people playing [TS]

  that aren't exactly wonderful specimens [TS]

  and I find it hard to allow allow myself [TS]

  to consider that sport and then not a [TS]

  games I guess the only difference is [TS]

  like a basis like a like a sort of a [TS]

  physical reality like I know they exist [TS]

  in reality and they're hitting keyboards [TS]

  and buttons and things but the thing [TS]

  they're playing doesn't exist in reality [TS]

  whereas even a big fat darts player with [TS]

  a beer at least they're still a dart is [TS]

  still hitting a board or a snooker ball [TS]

  is still hitting a table so I times [TS]

  wonder whether or not I should eSports [TS]

  should fall into a similar category to [TS]

  someone who's really good at Scrabble or [TS]

  monopoly or other games because there [TS]

  again people can be very good at it [TS]

  but not but the thing they're playing is [TS]

  a bit more abstract so that's the one [TS]

  thing where eSports starts falling down [TS]

  for me is the the true the true the true [TS]

  crucible of where the competition is [TS]

  happening like where the where the [TS]

  rubber meets the road [TS]

  Lou isn't a real physical place yeah [TS]

  that's the one place that's the one [TS]

  definition where like it starts to not [TS]

  quite feel like a that's physical sport [TS]

  to me even though a real thumb is [TS]

  hitting a button mm-hmm like with the [TS]

  real the real place where the clash is [TS]

  happening and the and the things being [TS]

  decided is is more is a bit too abstract [TS]

  yeah there's a layer of indirection [TS]

  that's occurring here and I can see that [TS]

  being an argument against it now though [TS]

  again I don't follow esports for like [TS]

  for the same reasons I don't follow [TS]

  regular sports like for the most part I [TS]

  just I'm just my mind is not interested [TS]

  in this kind of thing but I do to say [TS]

  that that level of indirection is [TS]

  actually what makes it way more [TS]

  interesting to me for the the few things [TS]

  that I have seen when I occasionally [TS]

  click around and watch some videos I I [TS]

  love the fact that for example like some [TS]

  of the biggest ones are variations on [TS]

  essentially the a capture the flag kind [TS]

  of game this is like a league of Legends [TS]

  there's a [TS]

  there's games that are like this where [TS]

  there's two teams three players on a [TS]

  team and they're doing a capture the [TS]

  flag game essentially but what I think [TS]

  makes it more interesting to watch than [TS]

  a regular sport is the layer of [TS]

  indirection allows the players to be [TS]

  very different things on the quote [TS]

  playing field and I think that makes it [TS]

  much more interesting than just like oh [TS]

  there's ten humans on this side and [TS]

  there's ten humans on that side I find [TS]

  that makes it much more interesting to [TS]

  watch one like the virtual players like [TS]

  one of them is ten times bigger than the [TS]

  others or like one of them has the [TS]

  ability to teleport to a different [TS]

  location like I think that makes the [TS]

  competition vastly more interesting and [TS]

  it is through eSports that I can have [TS]

  some appreciation of why people like [TS]

  physical sports because I've definitely [TS]

  seen like very high level players pull [TS]

  off moves in eSports where I feel like [TS]

  wow that is incredibly impressive but [TS]

  also realizing that explaining to [TS]

  someone who is unfamiliar with this game [TS]

  why it is impressive is it fun is like [TS]

  an impossible task in the same way that [TS]

  when sometimes people are describing [TS]

  particular sports events to me about [TS]

  like look at this impressive thing it's [TS]

  like I can't really appreciate why this [TS]

  is so impressive it looks like any other [TS]

  dunk of the basketball it does I don't [TS]

  see what's different about this one [TS]

  so like yeah I sort of feel like though [TS]

  if you do an impressive move that [TS]

  impressive move was still only allowed [TS]

  because like you know the game allowed [TS]

  or the coder made it possible and [TS]

  there's like a there's a hidden thing [TS]

  about the code that makes me just that [TS]

  little bit skeptical because you know I [TS]

  played so many games when I was growing [TS]

  up where the code assists people in [TS]

  certain ways and doesn't always give [TS]

  equal assistance to everyone so there's [TS]

  a kind of and I never really know what's [TS]

  going on under the hood there is that [TS]

  going on you know I remember playing NBA [TS]

  Jam as a kid for hours and hours and if [TS]

  you were behind the computer would [TS]

  always help you catch up and I know not [TS]

  every game does that but but I don't [TS]

  know does it what's going on that and [TS]

  it's the same with horse-racing as you [TS]

  know like the world's best jockey that [TS]

  wins all this stuff is winning it [TS]

  because he's sitting on top of a horse [TS]

  that helps him more than the [TS]

  next to hims horse helps him so and that [TS]

  kind of thing that you're talking about [TS]

  is called rubber-banding right where you [TS]

  you help the person who's behind ya [TS]

  gain and in general most of the games [TS]

  that are eSports don't really have that [TS]

  kind of thing there's there's a really [TS]

  intense focus on the games being super [TS]

  balanced and the case this audited like [TS]

  the code is audited by someone or that's [TS]

  an interesting question I presume that [TS]

  the code is audited at the big the big [TS]

  championships but like a lot of the [TS]

  games are like running through the [TS]

  servers of a company who controls it [TS]

  like this is like the Starcraft model [TS]

  and I know those companies spend an [TS]

  enormous amount of time being very [TS]

  concerned about how fair the game is and [TS]

  how balanced it is alright but when you [TS]

  talk about in the real world it's like [TS]

  well yeah these these things happen [TS]

  because they're running on the code of [TS]

  the physics of the universe like it it [TS]

  actually doesn't really seem all that [TS]

  different to me yeah but in some ways [TS]

  yeah but I also know that there's no one [TS]

  who can go in and hack the code of the [TS]

  universe or do you it was called the [TS]

  bi-weekly weigh-in or finish on 5,000 or [TS]

  health corner or I don't know what it's [TS]

  called but should we do a little health [TS]

  thing if you want to go ahead go ahead [TS]

  well I don't want this to come across as [TS]

  a humble brag but it totally will uh-huh [TS]

  yeah no that that's I always feel why [TS]

  Brede brings up yeah it is and else [TS]

  isn't you have any news right this isn't [TS]

  supposed to be a humble brag it's more [TS]

  because I just enjoy talking about [TS]

  social situations with you but as you [TS]

  know I'm going and seeing a personal [TS]

  trainer and I'm trying to see him three [TS]

  times a week I've been a bit off the [TS]

  boil lately but I am getting back on the [TS]

  horse at the moment but last weekend on [TS]

  a Sunday night because he doesn't work [TS]

  on weekends I just felt like I wanted to [TS]

  go to the gym you know he's taught me [TS]

  all these exercises I can do and I can't [TS]

  do them on my own and I just felt [TS]

  motivated so I'm going to go to the gym [TS]

  and do a workout and lift weights and do [TS]

  planks and kettlebells and all these all [TS]

  the machines he's taught me to use and I [TS]

  went there and I started doing a couple [TS]

  and then to my horror it turns out he [TS]

  was there doing a workout my trainer [TS]

  mmm-hmm and he could see me [TS]

  and I totally lost my nerve cuz I [TS]

  thought he was watching me and like [TS]

  judging me about like yeah [TS]

  was I doing the exercises right and [TS]

  stuff and then at one point he cook I [TS]

  was like doing this like leg weight [TS]

  thing and he called out across the gym [TS]

  to me how much weight you got on there [TS]

  Brody Oh God and I like had to call back [TS]

  uh 60 kilograms uh-huh [TS]

  and it's like and then I ended up like [TS]

  when he wasn't looking sneaking away [TS]

  early mm-hmm I was embarrassed you have [TS]

  all of my sympathy with this it's all of [TS]

  it I have on my phone a text file a note [TS]

  where I keep adding all of the times I [TS]

  see the trainer that I worked with [TS]

  months ago at the gym because I'm trying [TS]

  to reverse engineer his schedule because [TS]

  I never want to go if he's there and [TS]

  I've done the exact same thing of like [TS]

  oh if he's there it's like uh I don't [TS]

  need to do that last exercise I could [TS]

  just go right like it's time to leave [TS]

  it's ridiculous it shouldn't matter but [TS]

  I am with you 100% and like I knew when [TS]

  I was working with this person that this [TS]

  was going to be a potential danger for [TS]

  future gray that when we no longer work [TS]

  together it might be socially [TS]

  uncomfortable and past grey [TS]

  underestimated how uncomfortable future [TS]

  gray was going to be over this because [TS]

  it turns out that it's a lot we're [TS]

  totally fine I am aware of that same [TS]

  thing of like I'm pretty sure he's [TS]

  watching me like he knows I'm here [TS]

  like we don't work together anymore it's [TS]

  like I can't I can't deal with it I kids [TS]

  it's it's very awkward I made a terrible [TS]

  mistake and I was seriously just [TS]

  actually yesterday looking into seeing [TS]

  if there are other gyms that are nearby [TS]

  that maybe I could switch to when you're [TS]

  exercising on your own do you have like [TS]

  a really strong bias towards the sort of [TS]

  exercises that used to enjoy more and [TS]

  the ones that you know you should do but [TS]

  you don't enjoy you just don't do those [TS]

  ones yeah of course this of course right [TS]

  what do you enjoy what ones do you enjoy [TS]

  there is no exercise more satisfying [TS]

  than the bench press it's bit of an [TS]

  attention-seeking one though like people [TS]

  look at you when you're doing that I [TS]

  don't like doing exercises where people [TS]

  are more likely to be looking at [TS]

  yeah luckily in my gym that benchpress [TS]

  is not in a like a central location it's [TS]

  a little bit out of the way but I'm also [TS]

  very aware and and when I was working [TS]

  with the trainer he's like this is [TS]

  probably the least effective thing that [TS]

  you could do is like guess but it's the [TS]

  most satisfying thing yeah yeah yeah I [TS]

  definitely have that bias completely I [TS]

  am biased towards the machines that are [TS]

  like hidden away where people are less [TS]

  likely to watch and also ones that don't [TS]

  require any setting up like if you have [TS]

  to like adjust the length of straps or [TS]

  something because I'm not very [TS]

  coordinated and good at that kind of [TS]

  thing so if there's anything that [TS]

  requires any setup or hooking on a [TS]

  different set of handles or something I [TS]

  tend to avoid those ones because I don't [TS]

  know how to work them and I was always [TS]

  quite into sort of cardio fitness when I [TS]

  was doing on my own like I'd run on the [TS]

  treadmill and stuff like that but now [TS]

  that I've been introduced to the world [TS]

  of strength stuff and realize I can do [TS]

  that without being absolutely naked [TS]

  mm-hmm I've kind of turned my back on [TS]

  cardio a bit which I shouldn't like I'm [TS]

  really biased towards just like lifting [TS]

  weights now or doing machines where I [TS]

  can then have a break for a minute a [TS]

  drink and a bit of a rest so that's not [TS]

  good but anyway that's true all the [TS]

  strength stuff does have built-in rest [TS]

  time yeah I like I like the rest time [TS]

  component and I moved a thing five times [TS]

  better sit here for three minutes [TS]

  yeah recovery yeah my favourite exercise [TS]

  is recovery time yeah I have convinced [TS]

  myself that recovery time is incredibly [TS]

  important yeah based on nothing I had to [TS]

  actually really know but it's like there [TS]

  is no part of my exercising that I make [TS]

  sure to never skip more than recovery [TS]

  right don't cut a second off of recovery [TS]

  time that's for sure [TS]

  I I'm sure I occasionally have admiring [TS]

  looks from people going boy that guy's [TS]

  good at recovery the way he sits taking [TS]

  deep breaths [TS]

  one look at that guy busy recovery like [TS]

  I don't even know why why this is needed [TS]

  to be done I don't know how serious this [TS]

  is I don't know what the deal is but [TS]

  it's leg up the app says I can't do [TS]

  anything now and I am certainly going to [TS]

  follow it [TS]

  yeah but yeah I'm with you I definitely [TS]

  haven't been as much at the gym as I [TS]

  otherwise should be and it is in no [TS]

  small part because I know the trainer's [TS]

  there sometimes but I haven't fully [TS]

  figured out his schedule yet so it's bad [TS]

  it's very bad I just have to switch gyms [TS]

  this it's going to happen this episode [TS]

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  we're not talking about Westworld yet [TS]

  because I haven't quite finished it and [TS]

  I already had watched some so if I [TS]

  haven't finished it I'm sure a lot of [TS]

  people haven't finished it yet so we [TS]

  need a bit longer for me to finish [TS]

  Westworld [TS]

  but you did watch Sully today yes I did [TS]

  watch Sally today do you want to [TS]

  summarize what sadly is about for [TS]

  someone who has no idea what this film [TS]

  is [TS]

  about the pilot who didn't crash but had [TS]

  a forced water landing in the Hudson [TS]

  River in New York City was it 2009 [TS]

  several years ago whatever it was it is [TS]

  his story about flying that plane and [TS]

  that forced water landing starring Tom [TS]

  Hanks as Sully Tom Hanks as Sully [TS]

  yes so Sully himself what's his name [TS]

  Chesley Sullenberger he must have been [TS]

  pretty happy when he found out that a [TS]

  Tom Hanks was playing him do you think [TS]

  Tom Hanks ever wants to be the villain [TS]

  like the roll-out Tom Hanks because he's [TS]

  very good at being sympathetic I don't [TS]

  quite say everyman character but just [TS]

  like a very sympathetic protagonist for [TS]

  your story he's likable yeah he's very [TS]

  likable like he doesn't he does the Tom [TS]

  Hanks thing very well he's always good [TS]

  on camera when I was watching this I [TS]

  thought like I wonder if Tom Hanks he [TS]

  goes home and he you know like kicks his [TS]

  foot against the ground and he thinks [TS]

  like why can't I be a villain in some [TS]

  movie okay I wonder if he gets tired of [TS]

  being Tom Hanks even that film where [TS]

  he's like a hit man that kills people he [TS]

  was really nice wasn't he he can't ever [TS]

  be like a Cruella De Vil right he's [TS]

  always had to be somewhat likeable Tom [TS]

  Hanks yeah anyway so this was US Airways [TS]

  flight 1549 which in 2009 has gray said [TS]

  15 yeah hits some Canadian gases that [TS]

  took off from LaGuardia Airport lost the [TS]

  engines hmm [TS]

  Sully decided that along with his [TS]

  copilot there what they decide will [TS]

  Sully pretty much decide himself they [TS]

  weren't going to try and land at another [TS]

  Airport they didn't have the altitude [TS]

  and the power so he glided down for a [TS]

  lovely soft landing on the Hudson River [TS]

  and everyone on board survived Miracle [TS]

  on the Hudson they call it I thought [TS]

  they were going to struggle to make a [TS]

  film about it to be honest because that [TS]

  whole thing's all over in you know 100 [TS]

  and something seconds or something like [TS]

  it's a pretty short incident to make a [TS]

  whole film about I was watching this as [TS]

  like Oh [TS]

  Brady's assigned me Sully to watch and I [TS]

  guess this is the like the movie version [TS]

  of an NTSB report yeah kind of isn't of [TS]

  my feeling about the [TS]

  I can't say I was super happy to watch [TS]

  this because to put my feelings upfront [TS]

  I felt like the movie alternated between [TS]

  periods of being really boring where it [TS]

  felt like there was a bunch of stuff [TS]

  happening they don't really care about [TS]

  and then being like a live anxiety [TS]

  attack of watching it sounds like we're [TS]

  alternating between like Oh boring [TS]

  scenes of people getting on a plane [TS]

  where they're trying to make you [TS]

  emotionally connected with these people [TS]

  I was like whatever I know what's going [TS]

  to happen I know movie I know what's [TS]

  happening and then when things actually [TS]

  do happen it's like my body is an is [TS]

  incapable of not completely clenching up [TS]

  and feeling anxious over watching this [TS]

  stuff so it was that was my experience [TS]

  of the movie like boredom with [TS]

  incredible spikes of anxiety and then [TS]

  boredom I mean I sort of assigned it to [TS]

  watch not because I thought you'd [TS]

  particularly like or even because I [TS]

  thought it was the best film of all time [TS]

  but just because you know plane crashes [TS]

  and it's a big major motion picture [TS]

  about a plane crash and I was curious as [TS]

  to how they would do it and what you [TS]

  thought about how they did it because I [TS]

  thought it would be difficult to make [TS]

  and while I don't think it was the [TS]

  greatest film ever or even like you know [TS]

  one of my favorite films they did it [TS]

  better than I expected I liked it more [TS]

  than I thought I would but I still [TS]

  didn't think it was amazing I did watch [TS]

  it on a plane by the way on a little [TS]

  screen on a plane which was including in [TS]

  his ELF button it also makes me wonder [TS]

  if there were any modifications to it as [TS]

  a result but I don't think they were [TS]

  because they still showed some pretty [TS]

  terrible things happening so I can't [TS]

  imagine there were more terrible things [TS]

  that I was spared because I was sitting [TS]

  on a plane mm-hmm I mean I'm going to [TS]

  agree with you I wasn't quite sure how [TS]

  you could make a feature-length film out [TS]

  of this and as far as these things go I [TS]

  think they did a pretty good job there [TS]

  were parts in the beginning that I [TS]

  thought were boring but it's actually [TS]

  didn't necessarily feel like the movie [TS]

  was really stretched out like they were [TS]

  struggling to make know that yeah that's [TS]

  what I thought I thought it would feel [TS]

  like a stretch I felt like the length [TS]

  was right I was never particularly bored [TS]

  I thought the pacing was well done and [TS]

  like the main there are only a few main [TS]

  actors in it you know they're only [TS]

  really two main actors in it that really [TS]

  countered and they were both good but [TS]

  the thing I didn't think was all that [TS]

  amazing were like the crash [TS]

  concers like they I thought they'd look [TS]

  more real like I thought it would be [TS]

  look different to all the other stuff [TS]

  you see on TV shows like a aggression [TS]

  investigation and that but they didn't [TS]

  seem that much better than what you see [TS]

  elsewhere and I thought you know a [TS]

  big-budget Hollywood film would do all [TS]

  that stuff better somehow I don't know [TS]

  what I have no suggestions to make it [TS]

  better I thought I'd watch it and think [TS]

  well you know that's what happens when [TS]

  you spend a lot of money on a special [TS]

  effects of a plane crash that's way [TS]

  better but it just seemed like all the [TS]

  other ones to me it seemed to look like [TS]

  a you know a really good computer game [TS]

  this is your problem Brady you are an [TS]

  air crash connoisseur you're watching [TS]

  all of these things and maybe it was [TS]

  also the watching and on a tiny little [TS]

  screen on the back of someone's seat on [TS]

  an airplane but I was watching it I [TS]

  thought it looked all too real practice [TS]

  like though don't like this don't like [TS]

  this one tiny bit but I'm not a man who [TS]

  has seen thousands perhaps tens of [TS]

  thousands of air crashes if not tens a [TS]

  bit right eating eating popcorn while [TS]

  you're doing it so you know excitedly [TS]

  this is enough in my experience it was [TS]

  much more novel for me I could not pick [TS]

  up on all the subtle variations of what [TS]

  you're looking for so it was too real as [TS]

  far as I was concerned I was I was sold [TS]

  on it but this might be the difference [TS]

  between watching it like on an iPad and [TS]

  watching it on an airplane seats could [TS]

  you have watched it on a plane no I [TS]

  would never watch it on the plane are [TS]

  you crazy [TS]

  no I resent a little bit you making me [TS]

  watch this movie Brady right because [TS]

  this is like not a thing that I really [TS]

  want to think about and anytime the [TS]

  stuff comes up I feel like I learn a [TS]

  piece of information that I didn't [TS]

  really want to know hmm [TS]

  what'd you learn this time the thing I [TS]

  learned this time is that water landings [TS]

  are way more dangerous than I ever [TS]

  considered them to be I only vaguely [TS]

  knew the story of what happened with [TS]

  this plane in just the dimmest way which [TS]

  is also one of my complaints about [TS]

  watching the movie is like the movie [TS]

  clearly expects that your regular person [TS]

  who actually knows something about this [TS]

  because in the first 30 minutes I'm like [TS]

  I don't understand what's going on like [TS]

  they're referencing stuff like I don't [TS]

  know what happens in this air crash that [TS]

  you're expecting me to know a movie but [TS]

  I don't like I have no idea but the [TS]

  thing that the movie eventually did [TS]

  explain a little bit more and then fool [TS]

  that I am I ended up looking up a bit on [TS]

  the Internet as well [TS]

  just I just didn't realize that water [TS]

  landings are really the last resort of [TS]

  what you want to do soft videos of [TS]

  planes pinwheeling when they try to land [TS]

  in the water oh yeah so I did you watch [TS]

  the one off the coast of Africa yeah I [TS]

  saw some Ethiopian play that's what that [TS]

  was like that's like the famous one yeah [TS]

  god that's amazing yeah so I guess [TS]

  people who don't know that was a [TS]

  hijacked plane at those Ethiopian [TS]

  Airlines was it and the basically the [TS]

  hijacker said fly me you know to the [TS]

  moon and the behind the pilots were like [TS]

  we haven't got enough fuel and he's like [TS]

  I don't care just keep flying the parts [TS]

  like no seriously like we haven't got [TS]

  for you and he's like yeah get do keep [TS]

  going so eventually it like just had to [TS]

  come down and land in the sea but it [TS]

  landed really close to the coast where [TS]

  they were like swimmers that was filmed [TS]

  on a home video with all swimmers in the [TS]

  foreground and they almost got it right [TS]

  they almost got there like it started to [TS]

  land on its belly nicely but then just [TS]

  one of its wings tipped to the side and [TS]

  caught the water and then it cartwheeled [TS]

  the whole plane yeah but it's they make [TS]

  the thing about it is it so well filmed [TS]

  you sort of see the whole thing happen [TS]

  some people survive that like swimmers [TS]

  went out and tried to save people but [TS]

  yeah a lot of people died - yeah a lot [TS]

  of people died so I guess in some [TS]

  irrational part of my brain that was [TS]

  trying to protect me from thinking about [TS]

  this too hard I always vaguely assume [TS]

  they're like oh planes must be sort of [TS]

  designed to land on the water just in [TS]

  case yeah like I think that's that's [TS]

  what was in the back of my mind is like [TS]

  oh there must be those boat feet come [TS]

  out or is you know it's like it's it's [TS]

  look like I should be able to land on [TS]

  water they've got quite you know a flat [TS]

  underside yeah they have a flat [TS]

  underside like a boat yeah don't think [TS]

  too hard about how thin the walls in the [TS]

  airplane really are and like what the [TS]

  whole structure is I don't think about [TS]

  that too much [TS]

  so I guess I had always just assumed [TS]

  that this was a much safer activity that [TS]

  it actually was which led me to under [TS]

  appreciate how remarkable this incident [TS]

  is of landing in the Hudson as a man who [TS]

  spends the vast majority of his flying [TS]

  time above the abyss of the Atlantic [TS]

  Ocean this is now a piece of information [TS]

  that I have that I didn't want but now [TS]

  is in my brain is that water landings [TS]

  are much harder than I thought they were [TS]

  so thanks thanks for that breeding so [TS]

  let me ask you this is someone who has a [TS]

  degree of anxiety about the safety of [TS]

  air travel [TS]

  was it like having a mother who flew on [TS]

  planes all the time because your your [TS]

  mother was cabin crew wasn't she yeah [TS]

  she was a flight attendant like were you [TS]

  worried about her like being in planes [TS]

  all the time or like is this a cause of [TS]

  anxiety for you and your family or you [TS]

  was that not an issue it's not an issue [TS]

  because I understand that it is safe to [TS]

  do this and I especially understand that [TS]

  when I'm in America the drive to the [TS]

  airport is vastly more dangerous than [TS]

  the flight that's what's going to happen [TS]

  like I know this intellectually there's [TS]

  just some part of my brain which [TS]

  occasionally like wanders over to just [TS]

  how far the black ocean is below you [TS]

  right when I'm on an airplane I'm not [TS]

  saying that this is this is rational [TS]

  like I'm perfectly well aware that this [TS]

  is just about the safest thing that I [TS]

  could do is be flying on a plane I just [TS]

  try not to let my brain wander sometimes [TS]

  on a flight and sometimes it's just kind [TS]

  of like I don't know the way to describe [TS]

  it but the best way I could say is a [TS]

  little bit like a vertigo feeling [TS]

  sometimes just happens in the middle of [TS]

  a flight like you're in the air and of [TS]

  course for turbulence I'm never a happy [TS]

  man when there's turbulence occurring [TS]

  this is the difference between some part [TS]

  of your base brain that's worried about [TS]

  a thing and then the actual like [TS]

  rational you who knows that this isn't a [TS]

  danger and so that's why when my mom was [TS]

  flying I was never really concerned [TS]

  because it's like I know full well that [TS]

  like flying is an incredibly safe thing [TS]

  to do and presumably she's not a nervous [TS]

  flier but as someone who flew [TS]

  professionally for so long no not at all [TS]

  no she totally loved it I did hear from [TS]

  a viewer just yesterday actually I think [TS]

  this email came in which I thought was [TS]

  interesting mm-hmm this person called [TS]

  Mark said I feel I should offer some [TS]

  service to you I've been listening since [TS]

  the beginning of hello Internet and have [TS]

  always enjoyed plane crash corner [TS]

  I work as a commercial pilot and fly the [TS]

  same aircraft type as Sully if there's [TS]

  anything you want to know about [TS]

  operational considerations how the [TS]

  aircraft works or changes that have been [TS]

  brought in since the event eg checklist [TS]

  orders they were changed let me know I [TS]

  just replied with what did you think of [TS]

  the film and this is what Mark who flies [TS]

  the same plane said I enjoyed it and [TS]

  felt it very close to reality we have to [TS]

  go on simulators every six months to [TS]

  cover emergency [TS]

  Sage's and even in there when you know [TS]

  something is going to happen there is [TS]

  the startled factor that can leave you [TS]

  like a rabbit in the headlights for [TS]

  people who haven't seen the film this is [TS]

  a important part of the film that [TS]

  reaction time how long they took to [TS]

  decide what to do so he talks a bit [TS]

  about that for a while and then mark [TS]

  says in terms of the crash portrayal [TS]

  that also felt very real with the [TS]

  division of duties one person just [TS]

  running through checklists trying to get [TS]

  an engine started and while the other is [TS]

  flying and doing the radio [TS]

  communications I said earlier about [TS]

  checklist changing Airbus have a button [TS]

  you can press that seals any vents below [TS]

  the waterline so that it floats that [TS]

  button was quite far down so it wasn't [TS]

  pressed before they hit the water and [TS]

  they started to sink quickly that button [TS]

  is much closer to the top now I assume [TS]

  he means the top of the checklist hmm so [TS]

  I thought that was interesting and thank [TS]

  you Mark for contributing yeah that is [TS]

  that is interesting I mean you must love [TS]

  a bit of checklist rearrangement that [TS]

  must be a little bit sexy to you they [TS]

  probably should have had a bit more of [TS]

  that in the video in the air film for [TS]

  you oh yeah no that's that's very sexy [TS]

  that could be the sequel Sully to that [TS]

  checklist revision checklist so how we [TS]

  embody our knowledge of what you're [TS]

  supposed to do I always have to give [TS]

  like the pilots and the copilot such [TS]

  credit because basically I listen to I [TS]

  listen to a bunch of the real audio [TS]

  after I watched the movie because I was [TS]

  curious to see a few things like how [TS]

  close does the movie Matt oh what they [TS]

  bring you make me say prayer that's what [TS]

  I do you go you went down the route you [TS]

  went down the plank rush corner rabbit [TS]

  oh yeah I did I did get sucked a little [TS]

  bit down the plane-crash corner rabbit [TS]

  hole like I'm loading up I'm loading up [TS]

  3d videos that are recreations of the [TS]

  event and I'm getting annoyed at videos [TS]

  where they don't have all of the radio [TS]

  chatter they may have part and like oh [TS]

  your YouTube channel is terrible at this [TS]

  recreation Oh [TS]

  so yeah I'm motional great yeah yeah I [TS]

  got a bit emotional too again with like [TS]

  anxiety that I wish I could separate [TS]

  from this but I couldn't so thanks for [TS]

  that I appreciate it [TS]

  the thing that I was really impressed [TS]

  with and that I feel like I took away [TS]

  from this in a way that I hadn't before [TS]

  is I cannot believe how relatively calm [TS]

  everybody is on the radios right I can't [TS]

  believe how relatively calm the pilot [TS]

  our I can't believe how calm the ground [TS]

  staff is like everybody is just so [TS]

  shockingly calm and professional in this [TS]

  process it is just unbelievable to me [TS]

  that people can do that it's almost a [TS]

  bit disappointing in a way because I [TS]

  totally agree with you like not just the [TS]

  sully incident where he was a hero but [TS]

  even the ones where the pilots are [TS]

  villains you know do something wrong I [TS]

  notice this all the time in plane [TS]

  crashes as well like other ones besides [TS]

  the Sully one how much time they spend [TS]

  being methodical and going through [TS]

  checklists sometimes as they fly to the [TS]

  side of a mountain but going through [TS]

  check this number it's almost [TS]

  disappointing like but also reassuring [TS]

  but it's a bit sort of unromantic that [TS]

  it's also calm and methodical like did [TS]

  you see that Denzel Washington film [TS]

  flight where he loses control there's [TS]

  something goes wrong with the plane and [TS]

  he ends up like you know using his like [TS]

  instinct and skills to do something that [TS]

  I've never been done before and he like [TS]

  flies the plane upside down a passenger [TS]

  plane upside down to stop it from [TS]

  crashing and that's like the romantic [TS]

  notion you have that the pilot will just [TS]

  think of some trick or something that's [TS]

  never been done before to save the day [TS]

  when in fact they just get out a list [TS]

  and go one two three four five and like [TS]

  either that works or the plot of the [TS]

  plane crashes I like to think there's a [TS]

  bit of room for a bit of a maverick you [TS]

  know a bit of bit of skill and something [TS]

  that no one's ever seen before [TS]

  who would have ever thought to do that [TS]

  what genius but no they just get the [TS]

  little clipboard out and go through the [TS]

  items yeah but there was a bit of [TS]

  romance here Brady because Sully jump [TS]

  down a checklist item and turned on the [TS]

  auxiliary power like 10 steps before oh [TS]

  yeah yeah right yeah did something out a [TS]

  sequence yeah but that's like that's [TS]

  like that's like the gray version of a [TS]

  maverick someone who like skips an item [TS]

  in the checklist I'm bringing number [TS]

  seven up to three Wow bad yeah I think [TS]

  it wasn't he just assumed that those [TS]

  engines weren't going to come back [TS]

  online and so he was jumping ahead in [TS]

  the checklist to do a thing yeah that [TS]

  turned out to be true later on so yeah [TS]

  that's maverick in action so surely when [TS]

  it comes to like sexy checklist people [TS]

  being the hero of the day your favorite [TS]

  movie must be Apollo 13 well I guess [TS]

  yeah whether that's when they said no [TS]

  that time are changing the checklist [TS]

  order [TS]

  to make sure the electricity is below [TS]

  the below the voltage you know all that [TS]

  we are we need is like a checklist [TS]

  montage I know exactly what you're [TS]

  talking about [TS]

  great scene there needs to be a video [TS]

  made like you know ten great checklist [TS]

  moments in movies oh yeah [TS]

  yeah that would definitely be in it I'd [TS]

  put the sunny one in there maybe yeah [TS]

  that could be at the end for like who [TS]

  here's a different one right because he [TS]

  jumps ahead that's the way that would [TS]

  work out yeah but Apollo 13 is all about [TS]

  playing funny with the checklist to [TS]

  breaking the rules we need to along with [TS]

  a new checklist yeah but they're going [TS]

  through a process to create the new [TS]

  checklists how are we going to save [TS]

  these people from being thrown into the [TS]

  Oblivion of space well we're just going [TS]

  to have to rearrange a checklist it's [TS]

  ultimately what it's going to be a [TS]

  sequence of steps to do a thing you have [TS]

  to do it in a different sequence of [TS]

  steps yeah so I have a question for you [TS]

  Brady yes like there's one main plot [TS]

  point of this movie I feel like I didn't [TS]

  understand okay which is also it's it's [TS]

  real life okay so Sulley saves everybody [TS]

  with his forced water landing yeah in [TS]

  the movie there's like a chairman of the [TS]

  NTSB Council who are investigating what [TS]

  has occurred yeah [TS]

  and in the movie this guy's like the [TS]

  villain who seems out to blame [TS]

  everything on Sully yeah for what I can [TS]

  assess as essentially no reason other [TS]

  than maybe the movie needs some tension [TS]

  but I didn't understand was this like a [TS]

  real thing is there some actual [TS]

  motivation it was this just movie land [TS]

  like we need someone to be evil for no [TS]

  reason who's then just going to change [TS]

  his mind to be like Sully you're a great [TS]

  American hero at the end of the movie [TS]

  yeah I mean I don't know for sure but [TS]

  certainly one of the main criticisms of [TS]

  the film that I've read about has been [TS]

  that they over egged the antagonism [TS]

  between the investigators and Sully and [TS]

  it was all a lot more collegial than its [TS]

  portrayed and it wasn't quite the you [TS]

  know courtroom standoff drama type thing [TS]

  so I have the impression that it wasn't [TS]

  quite like that and as you have [TS]

  suggested it's a that is creating a [TS]

  little bit of tension a little bit of a [TS]

  G bar G so so I don't know what are G [TS]

  bar G [TS]

  but I take your meaning I can forgive [TS]

  them that I mean they needed something [TS]

  what else do you throw into movies to [TS]

  fix that so usually you use a bit of [TS]

  sexiness in a bit of romance but like [TS]

  Sully's just an old boring married guy [TS]

  whose wife wasn't in town so like you [TS]

  can't have like you know sexy sexiness I [TS]

  thought they might bigger like his [TS]

  history and his past but they only did a [TS]

  few little flashback I think the problem [TS]

  they have is I don't know this for sure [TS]

  but I think maybe he's just an [TS]

  incredibly boring man they had that that [TS]

  had something interesting happened to [TS]

  him for two minutes that he handled well [TS]

  and then they're like how are we going [TS]

  to make like a to a two hour film or [TS]

  something about a guy who's really [TS]

  boring that did something good once for [TS]

  right he's not tragically flawed like [TS]

  Denzel Washington snorting cocaine [TS]

  before flying the plane upside down yeah [TS]

  exactly and like you know he was he was [TS]

  a bit old and had had a reasonably calm [TS]

  boring life he did a good thing and then [TS]

  he just got on with his combo boring [TS]

  life like you know one of the real plot [TS]

  points in the film was what's happening [TS]

  with you like your consultancy business [TS]

  that you're trying to start and yeah and [TS]

  also concerns about his pension yeah [TS]

  about his bench and played a big part it [TS]

  was like it was it was like yeah old [TS]

  people's troubles so it suffered a bit [TS]

  from there but don't get me wrong like [TS]

  I'll poke fun of that and it's not like [TS]

  it wasn't like a gripping film that I'm [TS]

  telling everyone they should watch but I [TS]

  thought it was a good solid well-made [TS]

  film nicely paced about something I [TS]

  personally have happened to find very [TS]

  interesting of course but I liked it [TS]

  what I would be interested to hear what [TS]

  you thought about was the end of the [TS]

  film how they ended it they just ended [TS]

  in the in the courtroom right yeah yeah [TS]

  but they ended up like on a corny joke [TS]

  yeah yeah that's what it was yeah yeah [TS]

  like they said to the copilot or if you [TS]

  could do anything what would you do [TS]

  differently and he said I would have [TS]

  done it in July whatever when the [TS]

  weather was better mm-hmm [TS]

  and then the film just let hard cuts [TS]

  like on this like like Sully does like [TS]

  bit of an old man chuckle and then then [TS]

  they like cut and it's like it was like [TS]

  a really odd ending I didn't mind it I [TS]

  didn't love odd and then they had like a [TS]

  second ending where they did the cliche [TS]

  thing you see in a lot of films where [TS]

  the real person appears with all the [TS]

  real survivors and they're all having a [TS]

  at Orkin and that was that was okay I [TS]

  with real life films I'd quite like [TS]

  seeing a bit of real life stuff at the [TS]

  end see I am an instant credits poser [TS]

  right so as like as soon as the movie [TS]

  was over the instant those credits come [TS]

  up with like great done I'm not waiting [TS]

  around for your second thing they showed [TS]

  the real Sulley around the wreckage of [TS]

  the plane in some hangar somewhere with [TS]

  the survivors and they're all having a [TS]

  bit of a nice time together and I make a [TS]

  few speeches and it was okay it was nice [TS]

  look I'm okay with that ending because I [TS]

  feel with movies like the same way I [TS]

  feel with guests that leaving too soon [TS]

  is far better than lingering around and [TS]

  too many movies I feel like they don't [TS]

  know they don't know how to get out of [TS]

  here it's like you've had your day [TS]

  Newmont like it's over the main conflict [TS]

  is resolved I'm giving you two minutes [TS]

  to wrap some stuff up and you got it [TS]

  like let's get out of here movie I feel [TS]

  like too many too many movies like to [TS]

  linger around don't you mash in this [TS]

  don't you Martian it I was actually [TS]

  gonna go to Lord of the Rings of like [TS]

  and then what does Bilbo yeah he going [TS]

  it's like Lord of the Rings is the worst [TS]

  ever about that the books - there's like [TS]

  a hundred pages after the story is over [TS]

  a Bilbo wandering around and like saying [TS]

  goodbye to everybody and tracing all [TS]

  their steps on occasion when I reread [TS]

  Lord of the Rings it's like I always [TS]

  skip the last third of the final books [TS]

  it's like I don't have time for this [TS]

  so yeah it's like a sight scene but the [TS]

  movie does the same thing the Martian [TS]

  did it when my movies when their main [TS]

  conflict is resolved I want them over [TS]

  done like let's get on with this so I'm [TS]

  totally fine with it I'd much rather [TS]

  have a movie end abruptly then feel like [TS]

  it needs to wrap up everything with a [TS]

  nice little bow yeah fair enough [TS]

  part of this movie felt a bit like you [TS]

  are say a big Civil War fan and you have [TS]

  me watch a civil war movie I feel like [TS]

  okay I'm watching this for a friend like [TS]

  it's not a thing I would ever be super [TS]

  interested in but it's well done and it [TS]

  is this narrow field of interest [TS]

  okay that's fine we're buddies I'm happy [TS]

  to do this but I do have to say like [TS]

  Wallace is not a thing I would ever [TS]

  watch normally on my own I did feel like [TS]

  May [TS]

  I enjoyed the movie much more than I [TS]

  otherwise would have because I knew so [TS]

  little about this event and Sully has a [TS]

  bit of a corny speech about it at the [TS]

  end but I kept thinking through the [TS]

  movie like thank God for all of the [TS]

  peripheral people around the pilot and [TS]

  the copilot the Port Authority guys the [TS]

  NYPD the fire department the Red Cross [TS]

  like the flight attendants in the cabin [TS]

  like everybody I was just so aware of [TS]

  this thing that I wasn't really aware of [TS]

  from just dimly hearing about this story [TS]

  like this pilot landed a plane in Hudson [TS]

  and everybody lived yeah it's like this [TS]

  was a no joke team effort yeah [TS]

  everything had to go right for this to [TS]

  work because I was I was unaware of I [TS]

  mean the thing that the movie ends on is [TS]

  that joke about doing it in July you [TS]

  land in two degrees above freezing water [TS]

  this is a dangerous situation like the [TS]

  plane is going down as well I found all [TS]

  of that interesting yeah and also it [TS]

  felt like my sort of New York State [TS]

  pride coming out all these guys like [TS]

  going out there to rescue the crew like [TS]

  I just I found that part really [TS]

  interesting I was totally unaware of it [TS]

  I feel appreciative for knowing more of [TS]

  the whole story about this incident and [TS]

  it seems like much more of a thing than [TS]

  I had originally realized I think if [TS]

  there was any part of the film that did [TS]

  sort of flicker my emotional needle in [TS]

  any way it was that kind of all hands to [TS]

  the pump when although the ferry drivers [TS]

  and the boat people were just like let's [TS]

  get out there let's do it let's save [TS]

  these people like you know most of the [TS]

  parts of the film I found quite you know [TS]

  straight down the line and the plants [TS]

  that was supposed to move me didn't [TS]

  massively move me but that did affect me [TS]

  it was like yeah good on him like I I [TS]

  agree with you that was a that was a bit [TS]

  a nice part of the film for me too so [TS]

  great this talk about endings of films [TS]

  and credits and real-life stuff makes me [TS]

  think we should move on and end with a [TS]

  Brady's paper cut because I've had a [TS]

  paper cut that's been brewing for my [TS]

  last three or four visits to the United [TS]

  States and it came to a head on my last [TS]

  visit and it is very much on this topic [TS]

  okay I know you don't watch a lot of [TS]

  normal [TS]

  a vision and neither do I and I [TS]

  certainly don't watch a lot of normal [TS]

  television in America but I have been [TS]

  lately and I watch a few channels I [TS]

  don't even know what the channels are [TS]

  called just TV channels that have the [TS]

  dissociate movies yeah because there's [TS]

  so many channels in America and I've got [TS]

  the place I stays got this Direct TV [TS]

  with a hundred thousand channels is this [TS]

  is when you're out at the spiritual home [TS]

  of numberphile is that what you're [TS]

  talking about it I was I was this is an [TS]

  empirically so I was flicking through [TS]

  the channels and I always I thought and [TS]

  one or two channels I always end up on [TS]

  that showing movies that I like I could [TS]

  talk about how many ads they put in the [TS]

  film but I won't I mean that's that's to [TS]

  cliched so let's just forget the [TS]

  ridiculous number of advertisements at [TS]

  inappropriate times I watched a few good [TS]

  men while I was there and you know that [TS]

  stirring final cross-examination by Tom [TS]

  Cruise of Jack Nicholson yeah it's the [TS]

  moment you wait for and watch and it's [TS]

  so well done they managed to fit three [TS]

  commercial breaks into that speech I [TS]

  couldn't believe it I don't know if [TS]

  you've ever tuned into it but if you're [TS]

  watching a particularly bad channel that [TS]

  shows movies in America they sometimes [TS]

  speed up the movie by just 5% like or 10 [TS]

  percent hmm and if you if you are a [TS]

  person who is sensitive to that it's [TS]

  like everything is just slightly higher [TS]

  pitched than you would normally expect [TS]

  and is like oh ya know the truth yeah [TS]

  exactly [TS]

  why do they do that because they're [TS]

  trying to fit just one more ad break in [TS]

  over a two-hour block all right and they [TS]

  and they need to speed it up I did [TS]

  notice because I know a few good men [TS]

  quite well I did notice them just [TS]

  chopping parts of the film out like they [TS]

  do cut bits of the film altogether I [TS]

  don't even know why you're watching [TS]

  movies on TV like what what is this 1985 [TS]

  like what are you doing I know it's [TS]

  weird you know and I know I could just [TS]

  like pick up my iPad and watch straight [TS]

  away with no ads but there's just [TS]

  something about when it's on TV I don't [TS]

  know I can't explain it and it's sort of [TS]

  background because I'm usually doing [TS]

  other stuff and the thing that really [TS]

  like does my head in is the way these [TS]

  channels treat the end credits of movies [TS]

  because obviously this is a dangerous [TS]

  time for them because they're worried [TS]

  people good people are going to change [TS]

  channel this is where they're losing [TS]

  their watch time very fast right on [TS]

  those audience retention graphs is like [TS]

  Zoop right down to the bottom there's a [TS]

  few things they've done that have driven [TS]

  me crazy [TS]

  the first is cutting things out of the [TS]

  credits they usually will speed the [TS]

  credits up to such a speed that I can't [TS]

  believe they even bother leaving them [TS]

  they'll go at like you know a thousand [TS]

  percent speed blur passed you in like [TS]

  five seconds and prison like a legal [TS]

  requirement that yeah I guess right like [TS]

  you have to show these credits yeah and [TS]

  then they go straight to the next film [TS]

  or the other thing that they do which I [TS]

  hate even more is they run the credits [TS]

  but they drop the credits down to the [TS]

  bottom third of the screen and in the [TS]

  top two thirds of the screen they start [TS]

  playing the next movie so you're [TS]

  watching the star of the next movie [TS]

  while the credits for the previous movie [TS]

  are running like on the bottom of the [TS]

  screen it gets even more ridiculous [TS]

  though because what a lot of these [TS]

  channels do is they show the same film [TS]

  three or four times in a row so if you [TS]

  say are the film I want to watch you're [TS]

  starting at three o'clock I must make [TS]

  sure I switch on you'll switch on like [TS]

  two minutes to three and you'll see the [TS]

  last two minutes of the film you're just [TS]

  about to watch like you catch the finale [TS]

  of the film you're about to watch and [TS]

  then they'll shrink the credits down and [TS]

  start playing the film again so the [TS]

  credits for the film you're watching [TS]

  you're watching the end credits for at [TS]

  the bottom of the screen and you've just [TS]

  seen the end of it I don't understand [TS]

  why you're even watching TV like this [TS]

  let it go Gracie's what you're doing but [TS]

  I can't get over this like I would never [TS]

  sit in bed and think what am I gonna [TS]

  watch tonight oh I watch a few good men [TS]

  I would never do that because I've seen [TS]

  that film 15 times and it's never in my [TS]

  head but I like it but if I'm cruising [TS]

  through the channels and it's like [TS]

  halfway through on channel 407 and it's [TS]

  the last 20 minutes I'll say yeah if you [TS]

  could been I loved the last 20 minutes [TS]

  of that film [TS]

  I think I'll watch it this is an [TS]

  activity that you do you just flip on [TS]

  the TV to just randomly find what's on [TS]

  yeah I'll usually be doing something [TS]

  else you know twittering or editing [TS]

  something or working on something else [TS]

  and then I'll look up okay I like this [TS]

  film so it's such a crazy behavior to me [TS]

  okay well it says look I must have [TS]

  watched frozen three times in one day [TS]

  while I was there I loved that film as [TS]

  long as you're happy with the experience [TS]

  I guess it's great I got my bomber right [TS]

  with it but the other thing that drove [TS]

  me crazy in the whole reason you [TS]

  reminded me [TS]

  it's because of this real-life ending [TS]

  they haven't Sully is another film I [TS]

  really really like film called The Blind [TS]

  Side which is a film about an NFL [TS]

  footballer who had like a really [TS]

  difficult childhood and like was [TS]

  orphaned or something given up by his [TS]

  mum after a tough life he got adopted by [TS]

  this rich family and they brought him up [TS]

  and he became this footballer and it's a [TS]

  really lovely film it's a really good [TS]

  story it's a really well-executed film [TS]

  it always gets me it always gets me [TS]

  emotional the final scene of the film is [TS]

  they cut to real life and show him being [TS]

  drafted to the NFL which is leg of you [TS]

  know big moment he's made it he's made [TS]

  it to the pinnacle and then during the [TS]

  credits and it's the best thing in the [TS]

  film during the credits they just run 30 [TS]

  or 40 family photos through the credits [TS]

  where you see all the characters you've [TS]

  just seen portrayed in the film in real [TS]

  life so you see what they all real [TS]

  really look like but not only there it's [TS]

  family photos of lots of the incidents [TS]

  and occasions and things that were [TS]

  portrayed in the film it's one of the [TS]

  best uses of like you know real-life [TS]

  photos at the end of a film you could [TS]

  save in a film so I was watching The [TS]

  Blind Side and really looking forward to [TS]

  that moment at the end and sure enough [TS]

  the end of the film comes in real life [TS]

  and they just locked the credits off [TS]

  they just lopped it off and started [TS]

  showing The Blind Side again from the [TS]

  start and left out left it out [TS]

  altogether [TS]

  and it was the best part of the film but [TS]

  they were like parts of credits people [TS]

  weren't watch there and I'd been waiting [TS]

  like half an hour for it I just let go [TS]

  of the fact that I watch television [TS]

  people do it people do it really do they [TS]

  I don't understand people do that it is [TS]

  a thing is a proper thing just I feel [TS]

  like you're you're sitting in a movie [TS]

  theater and you want to complain to me [TS]

  about oh the crying babies and the [TS]

  children running around and all the [TS]

  horribleness in a movie theater and I'm [TS]

  just like why are you in the movie [TS]

  theater like this is fundamental to the [TS]

  medium here that's what this is it's [TS]

  like oh TV TV ruins a coherent [TS]

  experience it's like yeah of course [TS]

  that's what they do that's their jobs [TS]

  but it's okay to have sometimes you want [TS]

  to be a bit brainless and have someone [TS]

  else curator I mean the number of times [TS]

  I sit in bed and think oh I really want [TS]

  to watch something on Netflix and I [TS]

  spend the next 45 minutes paralyzed by [TS]

  choice and [TS]

  unable to decide what to watch sometimes [TS]

  sometimes it's good to have that [TS]

  decision taken away from you a bit I'll [TS]

  give you that that that is fair like [TS]

  Netflix analysis paralysis is definitely [TS]

  a thing and can sometimes be like all of [TS]

  this material is too high quality like I [TS]

  do just wanna watch some crap that is [TS]

  the thing you know but not another [TS]

  Netflix original thank God like I can't [TS]

  I can't be emotionally invested right [TS]

  now I just I need to be watching just [TS]

  some reality show yeah anyway I guess [TS]

  I'm sorry that TV stations ruined the [TS]

  credits for you Brady so you don't have [TS]

  to apologize it's not your fault it's [TS]

  not a real apology it's not like there's [TS]

  nothing genuine in my voice about that [TS]

  I'm not trying to mollify you [TS]