Roderick on the Line

Ep. 243: "Hoeing My Till"


  [Music] [TS]

  hello hi John [TS]

  hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

  good it's been a long time it's been a [TS]

  long time you sound good [TS]

  oh hey that's nice thank you you sound [TS]

  good too thank you [TS]

  do I sound like I have a new power [TS]

  supply on my computer I can feel the [TS]

  clean power 300 watts yeah huh mm-hmm [TS]

  I can feel it it's like a like an SVT [TS]

  just putting that clean thump thump [TS]

  loved so does that that's a power supply [TS]

  inside the computer or do you talk about [TS]

  the outboards like a power brick no it's [TS]

  uh it's a classic I had classic symptoms [TS]

  of a classic problem it was classic oh [TS]

  not hard to fix oh that's classic but [TS]

  it's you know it is a I mentioned this [TS]

  in some other places but this is worth [TS]

  mentioning because I think this is the [TS]

  kind of thing that probably well I feel [TS]

  like I know drives you crazy [TS]

  it's here's how this evidences to [TS]

  Tuesday nights ago I'm just doing my [TS]

  thing on my computer and I don't do as [TS]

  you do and it goes away as the beer goes [TS]

  away well as though basically some [TS]

  import sprite had just disconnected to [TS]

  power like pulled the movement out of [TS]

  the outlet it goes away from I think oh [TS]

  oh that's not optimal so I'm going back [TS]

  I bring it back up I think you know [TS]

  probably one-time thing I will go [TS]

  through this whole thing but it's yeah [TS]

  it's one of those kinds of problems [TS]

  that's difficult it's difficult to [TS]

  reproduce because the nature of the [TS]

  problem the evidence is itself in fairly [TS]

  random things so then step two of that [TS]

  is I start doing the troubleshooting [TS]

  which is you know it involves a lot of [TS]

  like incantations and chicken bones and [TS]

  then you just wait but there's something [TS]

  a peculiar kind of purgatory to being [TS]

  nearly certain that the tool that you're [TS]

  using is going to break at any second [TS]

  you have a very different view of how [TS]

  you use that device when you know that [TS]

  it could go any second oh yeah it's a [TS]

  strip but I mean you've had this part [TS]

  like you wonder if that is the power [TS]

  going to go out because my phone battery [TS]

  going to die [TS]

  but in this case it's even worse because [TS]

  I'm like okay well I no need to leave [TS]

  this running and test this thing but I [TS]

  you know I want to do stuff still I'm in [TS]

  the early stages of grieving where I [TS]

  like I haven't like got my mind right [TS]

  you know yeah you haven't gotten your [TS]

  mind right [TS]

  that's terrible feeling and so I'm just [TS]

  sitting there way and then it goes but [TS]

  then I go okay [TS]

  gotta get fresh set of chicken bones I [TS]

  have a used type of delay pedal that [TS]

  would just sometimes go into demo mode [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  huh like like you're over at the store [TS]

  and you want to show off what the thing [TS]

  can do yeah yeah the the the the mode [TS]

  that I'm not even sure why it's built [TS]

  into the thing you should just if you're [TS]

  a company like that you should just [TS]

  build one that's a demo and give it to [TS]

  Guitar Center and it can sit and demo [TS]

  but all of them had built into it this [TS]

  like sort of cycle through everything it [TS]

  does so that I guess you could sit a [TS]

  guitar Center and just turn on this [TS]

  feature and and these are strum yeah and [TS]

  then hit here it goes through it saying [TS]

  but it would go into it just sort of [TS]

  randomly and it happened one night we [TS]

  were playing with the Decembrists in [TS]

  Boston and it was right when the [TS]

  Decembrists were getting big and it was [TS]

  kind of right when the long winters were [TS]

  getting big and it was a it was a big [TS]

  show and it was one of those shows that [TS]

  hadn't expected to sell like buzz had [TS]

  accumulated while you yeah yeah yeah we [TS]

  were out you know the early shows on [TS]

  that tour were not very well attended [TS]

  and by the middle of the tour the shows [TS]

  were sold out and by the end of the tour [TS]

  the shows were getting moved to a bigger [TS]

  venue kind of what you always hope for [TS]

  and so it's Boston and there's you know [TS]

  that it's oversold right there kids kind [TS]

  of hanging on the walls and halfway [TS]

  through our set my delay pedal goes into [TS]

  demo mode oh my god and when it went [TS]

  into demo mode the normal way that you [TS]

  turned it [TS]

  no longer worked you couldn't just like [TS]

  the delay pedals on click the switch it [TS]

  goes off but when it's in demo mode no [TS]

  there is no switch to click off because [TS]

  it's cycling through every and so it [TS]

  just has to do its thing it just has to [TS]

  run its course oh my god and so I said [TS]

  there through an entire song and just [TS]

  you know and it's a it's a delay pedal [TS]

  right so it's like here's what it can do [TS]

  Wow Wow wait while you're trying to play [TS]

  rock and roll power chords yeah I [TS]

  planned you know stupid or whatever and [TS]

  uh and it was really it was really fun [TS]

  it was fun for me that was back at a [TS]

  time when I had a real sense of humor [TS]

  about things you so I could use it you [TS]

  guess and it ah really I was just [TS]

  sitting there thinking to myself if I [TS]

  could be on the shop floor of line 6 [TS]

  right now mmm it grabbed the foreman I'm [TS]

  just like ghost of Christmas past this [TS]

  used to be equipment that you could save [TS]

  your life you'd be hanging from a thread [TS]

  yeah yeah that's right yeah you need [TS]

  those things to be tough I've had a lot [TS]

  of pedals over the years well first of [TS]

  all there's just always the thing of [TS]

  like it's at least back in my time this [TS]

  might have changed it was always [TS]

  difficult to know without tasting your [TS]

  9-volt like exactly how much juice you [TS]

  had left yeah okay flat my bolt yeah [TS]

  right all right up here um but like you [TS]

  know if you were in the middle of some [TS]

  ragin solo and suddenly the signal gets [TS]

  real quiet and then just goes away or [TS]

  something like that [TS]

  that's that would be the worst also I [TS]

  had a lot I think you know you notice [TS]

  with stomp boxes you get them and you [TS]

  just use them forever and they get [TS]

  treated terribly and clumped around [TS]

  there are a couple that had ace I [TS]

  remember in particular it was my wasn't [TS]

  an Ibanez it was the boss distortion + [TS]

  feedback pedal that orange pedal that I [TS]

  use it for lots that is a pretty shitty [TS]

  sound but I got a bad pedal but it's but [TS]

  it was fun to see like what it would [TS]

  come up with what feedback to make given [TS]

  what you were doing it would be so [TS]

  random and weird but uh that [TS]

  had a loose a quarter-inch I want to say [TS]

  on the input jack and sometimes you just [TS]

  revert to a clean signal we just like go [TS]

  up I need to reset myself now your cat [TS]

  Stevens [TS]

  ah you know it's frustrating when you [TS]

  can't depend on things it is well in [TS]

  fact right now I'm trying to send some [TS]

  I'm trying to send some texts from my [TS]

  laptop to people I'm trying to say look [TS]

  I can't make it to lunch today yeah and [TS]

  uh the machine has decided that I can no [TS]

  longer send text because my password has [TS]

  changed and my password has changed [TS]

  because sometimes we some time recently [TS]

  it forced me to change my password [TS]

  because of something you know there was [TS]

  some reason that it needed something [TS]

  different they did something to be [TS]

  different all right because I I plugged [TS]

  in my my iPad which I hadn't used in a [TS]

  while because I wanted to start using it [TS]

  as a drum machine I thought that was a [TS]

  good idea so I plugged my iPad in it [TS]

  told me that it needed to have a new [TS]

  operating system I tried to ignore it it [TS]

  said that didn't want me to try tonight [TS]

  did I want that's right did I want to [TS]

  sync my iTunes with it I said no it said [TS]

  or that then it said you know all this [TS]

  stuff and I finally surrendered it was [TS]

  like alright okay fine I'll fine like [TS]

  I've sworn I will never do this but this [TS]

  time will be different won't it Apple [TS]

  this time will be different this time [TS]

  you'll do it'll be logical it'll be [TS]

  natural you won't you won't ask me to [TS]

  upgrade a thing if that upgrade will [TS]

  brick the thing you would know [TS]

  internally you would know that it [TS]

  couldn't handle it and you wouldn't ask [TS]

  so I'm going to trust you and so I went [TS]

  on and it gave me some cryptic message [TS]

  like there can only be one iTunes [TS]

  account would you like them would you [TS]

  like this to be that or [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  they know I know I don't hit the wrong [TS]

  thing because the the consequences are [TS]

  unknown and so that consequences are [TS]

  unknown that's precisely right it's not [TS]

  that you know them because the languages [TS]

  there's it's a huge deal I mean there's [TS]

  one you probably got in the last couple [TS]

  years which was something along the [TS]

  lines of f you updated iOS it said [TS]

  something like do you want to switch [TS]

  over to cloud drive or something like [TS]

  that and you go you'd normally personal [TS]

  of course I want to switch over to cloud [TS]

  drive or whatever the F it's called but [TS]

  like this if what it didn't tell you was [TS]

  that that was an iOS only feature it was [TS]

  not available on your Mac and the way [TS]

  that your all your cloud stuff work [TS]

  would change fundamentally you might not [TS]

  be able to get to some of it until the [TS]

  operating system on your computer was [TS]

  updated but that's the but that's you [TS]

  know what that doesn't fit in a pop up [TS]

  message well and so what happened was I [TS]

  put this thing on which had uh you know [TS]

  eight hundred songs on it and it spent [TS]

  an hour but churning yeah I thought I [TS]

  was like I was like huh that's [TS]

  interesting [TS]

  and then when it came back up all my [TS]

  music was gone because it had synced to [TS]

  an iTunes - it synced to the iTunes on [TS]

  my computer that had come with a free [TS]

  michael franti CD and that u2 album yeah [TS]

  tell me so oh no this is bad all that's [TS]

  on my iPad now is nothing and put a new [TS]

  iOS on there that that has now turned it [TS]

  into a thing where if you touch [TS]

  something on the screen it thinks about [TS]

  it for a while it goes and makes a pot [TS]

  of coffee and it comes back and it [TS]

  decides whether or not it's going to [TS]

  follow through you're currently [TS]

  evaluating your requests [TS]

  yeah and half of the apps crash the [TS]

  thing now I mean it was like the thing [TS]

  was better the iPad was more useful when [TS]

  I was using it as a hot like a like a [TS]

  trivet yeah sure he put a put a pan on [TS]

  there yeah than it is now that don't [TS]

  have any OS it just makes me want to [TS]

  kill but you know I will help you sell [TS]

  troubleshooting that [TS]

  might be useful it seems like it's it [TS]

  seems like it's done right the music's [TS]

  gone [TS]

  what is the troubleshooting like the [TS]

  music they just they evaporated it well [TS]

  right not still that stuff I want to [TS]

  save for after we're done recording but [TS]

  there's some good security hygiene you [TS]

  should do it sure at your earliest [TS]

  opportunity and that's one thing but uh [TS]

  you know it depends it might be confused [TS]

  about if you have more than one Apple ID [TS]

  this is a very confusing matter this did [TS]

  not used to be such a confusing matter [TS]

  lots of people when they signed up for [TS]

  Apple stuff at the time it required an [TS]

  Apple ID got a new Apple ID that could [TS]

  be me Mac iCloud it could be Gmail it [TS]

  could be whatever you signed up with [TS]

  it's very confusing and a lot of people [TS]

  don't know that they have more than one [TS]

  Apple ID where the username and the [TS]

  password match and so if you enter in [TS]

  the wrong one very confusing things [TS]

  happen because you're basically asking [TS]

  it for an entire different set of files [TS]

  so was that stuff that you had synced [TS]

  directly to the iPad with iTunes [TS]

  previously like with a tethered [TS]

  connection [TS]

  this isn't here's the problem for many [TS]

  many years I had that that desktop that [TS]

  I've used over the years to record our [TS]

  program and that was my main computer [TS]

  and that's the thing that I synced my [TS]

  phone to and that I synced my iPad to [TS]

  yeah then I bought a laptop and when I [TS]

  arrived with the laptop it we were past [TS]

  the we were past the border into the [TS]

  clewd mmm [TS]

  and and so the new laptop was like hello [TS]

  welcome to computing it says though [TS]

  you've never heard of a computer before [TS]

  so would you like me to it looks like [TS]

  you're trying to compose a message would [TS]

  you like to walk through how that the [TS]

  miracle of in of the cloud man and I was [TS]

  like yeah I just I got I believe me I've [TS]

  used computer before thank you let me [TS]

  just get to where I was you know and [TS]

  they're like oh well you know you can [TS]

  keep all your music in the cloud and I [TS]

  was like I don't think I can I mean over [TS]

  the years I've already had this problem [TS]

  where they're like oh this you don't you [TS]

  know this song [TS]

  that you've been listening to for five [TS]

  years now you don't have access to it [TS]

  because at some point in 1999 somebody [TS]

  gave this to you right and it was fine [TS]

  for a long time but now it's not fine [TS]

  anymore little groups of eco type [TS]

  situation where it's really sounds great [TS]

  until you get there and then you're like [TS]

  oh shit this is not going to work at all [TS]

  for what I'm going to accomplish [TS]

  and when of course it does stuff like in [TS]

  the last few years last two three years [TS]

  it started doing stuff like where Apple [TS]

  will for the first time ever incorrectly [TS]

  guess what your music is and then the [TS]

  metadata is like now this is associated [TS]

  with some obscure Led Zeppelin live [TS]

  album you like no that's not what this [TS]

  is right and then you lose them [TS]

  consequently you guys stuff because when [TS]

  the metadata is wrong now there's a very [TS]

  good chance things will just get lost [TS]

  because it's not what it looks like it [TS]

  looks like garbage now I have no idea [TS]

  how to get the I mean because on my on [TS]

  my desktop I have 50,000 songs or you [TS]

  know I have like the all the music of [TS]

  that I've had over the my whole computer [TS]

  life I have no idea how to get those [TS]

  into the cloud and I don't want to know [TS]

  because every time I log on now the [TS]

  cloud tells me that I don't have enough [TS]

  storage so I know I don't have enough [TS]

  storage for 50,000 songs because all I [TS]

  have on there is like a copy of the book [TS]

  that I'm writing and uh what like to I [TS]

  don't know I didn't even know what I [TS]

  have on there it's nothing to I have [TS]

  they gave me like five megabytes of [TS]

  space oh this is a yes that this is a [TS]

  huge deal this is a even the nerds are [TS]

  like this is the most unconscionable [TS]

  hardware thing they had was still [TS]

  selling 16 gig devices which is [TS]

  ridiculous you can't even update the iOS [TS]

  and the OS in most cases but yeah the [TS]

  the parsimonious amounts of data it's [TS]

  gotten better but it's still pretty [TS]

  costly for what you get and will not [TS]

  accommodate even basic stuff yeah all by [TS]

  way of saying on my laptop I've just [TS]

  said okay I don't need music on there I [TS]

  don't know how to get it from my desktop [TS]

  yeah and I just don't care but when I [TS]

  synced my phone I finally was like well [TS]

  I gotta sync my phone to my new computer [TS]

  can't keep sinking it to this computer [TS]

  from 2004 [TS]

  well wiped all the music off my phone Oh [TS]

  Jim because it's you know what I mean [TS]

  because it's not on the new one it's not [TS]

  on the new one yeah and I'm like and I [TS]

  all I want is therefore to be able so [TS]

  there to be a box that says would you [TS]

  like the iTunes that's on your phone to [TS]

  be the master or the one that's on the [TS]

  computer to be the master right but it [TS]

  doesn't allow for that and so all the [TS]

  musics off my phone well then I had I [TS]

  had it on my iPad which I was using to [TS]

  control the Sonos until I just did this [TS]

  thing I made this mistake again I forgot [TS]

  to never upgrade I forgot to never never [TS]

  trust their box always say cancel if [TS]

  it's if you push cancel and it's like [TS]

  Yelp if it says would you like to use [TS]

  the app yes [TS]

  or cancel and you cancel then you then [TS]

  you go away you don't get to use it yep [TS]

  you have to use the app if you're [TS]

  looking at on your phone right and so [TS]

  unless you unless you delete the app oh [TS]

  I don't even know if I did I had do I [TS]

  have the app probably that's the same [TS]

  with you - if you get YouTube on your [TS]

  phone it'll always use that and it's a [TS]

  pretty crappy out so I never use Yelp [TS]

  because apparently I downloaded the app [TS]

  one time I never want to use the app if [TS]

  they ask me I just want to look at the [TS]

  thing because it's right there I can see [TS]

  it I just want to click on and look at [TS]

  it I don't want an extra step to go look [TS]

  at their app so I'm like and watch it [TS]

  boot up and presumably take me to iTunes [TS]

  so I'm always like no I don't care I [TS]

  don't want to use Yelp I do not want to [TS]

  use it not only do I not want to use it [TS]

  I want to say the word Yelp with a wit [TS]

  like spit coming out of the corners of [TS]

  my mouth every time I say it like oh is [TS]

  it on Yelp yeah anyway so I cooked up my [TS]

  iPad and then all my musics gone from [TS]

  there so the only place any of that [TS]

  stuff lives anymore is my desktop which [TS]

  I'm terrified of disturbing I'm a [TS]

  terrified of waking it up from its nap [TS]

  anymore because it contains multitudes [TS]

  and every other way every other way that [TS]

  Apple has to force me to either buy all [TS]

  that stuff again or go the rest of my [TS]

  life only listening to Michael Franti [TS]

  and spearhead Apple's trying to do it [TS]

  and they're trying to do it by way of [TS]

  these cryptic little pop-ups that it's [TS]

  like would you like to make a decision [TS]

  right now that's that [TS]

  fully difficult mmm it feels that way [TS]

  sometimes but you know there there is a [TS]

  dirt huh this is not a particular [TS]

  interesting topic no it's not but you [TS]

  know it is there I want to say I hear [TS]

  your frustration because there's all [TS]

  kinds of stuff that's super frustrating [TS]

  you know one of those things is it did [TS]

  feel like for a pretty long time Apple [TS]

  there are two things at least that Apple [TS]

  got pretty well which was that things [TS]

  always did seem to be kind of getting [TS]

  better things did get more reliable um [TS]

  and there was the things there were [TS]

  improvements and you accepted one [TS]

  accepted them gladly because they did [TS]

  improve the devices the software the [TS]

  surface whatever where but but the [TS]

  second part is that it also kind of felt [TS]

  like like you got used to Apple being a [TS]

  good shepherd being a good guy being a [TS]

  good Sherpa being a good good friend [TS]

  like you know you could just hit that [TS]

  Update button if you're about to get on [TS]

  a plane and know that like yeah you know [TS]

  spring a chance is not just gonna really [TS]

  screw up and this is the most horrible [TS]

  general kind of comment but I think in [TS]

  both cases the feeling as a typical [TS]

  garden-variety user is that neither of [TS]

  those things is the case anymore and [TS]

  then both trends are going the other way [TS]

  if you you know if you do if you do run [TS]

  some kind of an update especially on iOS [TS]

  it is like we said it's very unclear [TS]

  sometimes what's going to happen after [TS]

  you do this and that's that makes people [TS]

  resistant the last thing you want is to [TS]

  have people resistant to operating [TS]

  updating the operating system but you [TS]

  know hand-in-hand with that is that [TS]

  second part which is like now I'm scared [TS]

  you use my desktop because I don't want [TS]

  do anything that makes it eat all of my [TS]

  mp3's because it has a different account [TS]

  associated with it like what stuff is [TS]

  mine that I get to keep forever you know [TS]

  I don't think they're trying to make you [TS]

  buy it again I just think sometimes [TS]

  there are pretty tone-deaf about helping [TS]

  guide people into whatever the new thing [TS]

  is going to be and sometimes they're [TS]

  reluctant to just admit you know what [TS]

  that way we used to do it we're really [TS]

  abandoning that but we're not telling [TS]

  you that you keep running this like it's [TS]

  a thing that's going to be there but [TS]

  like unless you're in the you know the [TS]

  Mac arathi and like following every [TS]

  headline you're not going to know that [TS]

  that thing's already very close to [TS]

  end-of-life that basically wins the [TS]

  stuff stops getting upgrades the stuff [TS]

  stops you know what I mean that's not a [TS]

  salutary sign and you would notice that [TS]

  if it's [TS]

  working properly until just one day it [TS]

  doesn't and I don't think they're very [TS]

  responsible sometimes about [TS]

  communicating that with people [TS]

  well it's interesting we've talked about [TS]

  the tech world for for a long time for [TS]

  the decades and decades we've been doing [TS]

  this program absolutely is one of our [TS]

  one of our first topics this technology [TS]

  decades ago that's right that's right [TS]

  about biology this is you know if you go [TS]

  on to LinkedIn you'll see the technology [TS]

  is one of my whatever core competencies [TS]

  I think I endorsed you for that or [TS]

  whatever yeah thumbs upses but uh but [TS]

  you know the not very long ago you and I [TS]

  had a brief conversation where I was [TS]

  saying you know I used to love a tweet [TS]

  bot and Tweetbot tweet ba was this great [TS]

  program I used it a lot and then it just [TS]

  started to be less and less functional [TS]

  it was it couldn't do certain things it [TS]

  wouldn't I wouldn't let me see embedded [TS]

  content it just sort of started to fall [TS]

  apart and I kept using it wondering what [TS]

  was going on and it felt like there were [TS]

  a few times over the years where lonely [TS]

  sandwich would put up an app or some [TS]

  friend of yours would put up an app and [TS]

  I would get it and I would use it until [TS]

  it stopped being functional and I would [TS]

  ask you and they were like oh yeah they [TS]

  stopped using that or well you know [TS]

  there was that why you know they just [TS]

  stopped updating it it was it turned [TS]

  into it how it happens it happens [TS]

  sometimes stuff just goes away but like [TS]

  you wouldn't expect like if you had a [TS]

  favorite like kitchen knife you wouldn't [TS]

  expect it to just stop working one day [TS]

  if it became double you would notice [TS]

  that and then deal with that buy a new [TS]

  it but there's no you don't get a pop up [TS]

  on kitchen knives that like oh by the [TS]

  way this is no longer supported right [TS]

  and so I figured that was what was going [TS]

  on with Tweetbot well so I got to a [TS]

  point where it just it wasn't functional [TS]

  anymore and I and I was I was sad but I [TS]

  went over and started using them the [TS]

  Twitter app which was awful people have [TS]

  strong shows about Twitter clients it's [TS]

  a very it's very personal relationship [TS]

  yeah but I put this out there on the web [TS]

  and and I got a ton of people saying [TS]

  well why don't you use tweet bot and I [TS]

  was like well I did I thought it was tea [TS]

  away so I wrote you and said what the [TS]

  WTF and you said oh you need to [TS]

  companies and it seems like a simple [TS]

  answer but it's actually the closer we [TS]

  get to [TS]

  what's actually happening it requires [TS]

  like a whiteboard and a chalk talk to [TS]

  explain why why your tweet bot is not [TS]

  working yeah you're like oh you have to [TS]

  go in and pay for the update that's the [TS]

  way that people that make small apps [TS]

  that aren't like massive that's how they [TS]

  fund it you have to go buy stop that's [TS]

  how they get paid is how I would put it [TS]

  sorry yeah they're not it's not like [TS]

  they're you know putting out a tin cup [TS]

  like this is what these people do for a [TS]

  living that's how the only way they can [TS]

  make money is to sell and you sell you a [TS]

  new version or have in-app purchases [TS]

  yeah yes that is how you explained it to [TS]

  me at the time however that was not [TS]

  clear to me as a layperson because I'm [TS]

  not reading Macworld or whatever and so [TS]

  how was I to know that it there was [TS]

  never in tweet bought a thing that [TS]

  popped up and said by the upgrade [TS]

  because we don't we need to get paid [TS]

  because this is what we do for a living [TS]

  or there was never bail on your phone [TS]

  that said oh by the way the ecosystem [TS]

  you think you're used to has quietly [TS]

  changed in the last few years here's [TS]

  some bullet points from Apple explaining [TS]

  exactly how the 70% take versus 30% like [TS]

  oh here's what all that means like no [TS]

  it's it's all it's a black art to even [TS]

  understand why things happen like wire [TS]

  what how come all of a sudden almost [TS]

  everything is free but I have to pay for [TS]

  the good stuff well sit down have a [TS]

  sandwich this is gonna take about [TS]

  explain right and I was thrilled to buy [TS]

  this $4.99 drum machine app for my iPad [TS]

  because it was one of these moments [TS]

  these you know I I've been down to the [TS]

  music store a few times like which one [TS]

  of these Roland 808 is the right vintage [TS]

  drum machine for me and I'm talking to [TS]

  the tech dudes like if I get this will I [TS]

  in there and they're kind of all looking [TS]

  at me like I don't know how that works [TS]

  man I just do it all in the computer [TS]

  right I'm like you don't know how this [TS]

  classic drum machine works they're like [TS]

  nah we just have that here for the Nerds [TS]

  like you some like the Greybeards that [TS]

  want to come in and fondle something [TS]

  from their childhoods we don't know how [TS]

  it works it's not a thing that we would [TS]

  ever use look at me I'm to live crude [TS]

  yeah because drop whatever is 808 beats [TS]

  whatever this 808 does there's thing on [TS]

  my phone that does it ten times better [TS]

  so [TS]

  like get with the times and so I was [TS]

  like ugh [TS]

  but I found this this cool drum machine [TS]

  simple to use and it's on the iPad and [TS]

  it cost six bucks or something and I was [TS]

  like that's six bucks that I'm happy to [TS]

  spend it happy better to spend than 1500 [TS]

  bucks on a on you know MC blow fish's [TS]

  fucking 808 stays so I get it and it but [TS]

  but I have to like get my whole system [TS]

  in line and now I'm fucked now I now I [TS]

  paid $5.00 for the drum machine and it [TS]

  has to think about every beat and I [TS]

  don't know if you I don't know if you [TS]

  can speak to this but I certainly can [TS]

  you do not want to think about every [TS]

  beat you want this to not you know what [TS]

  that's good that one's going in that's [TS]

  going in the e-book says get that I [TS]

  don't want it right you don't want to [TS]

  have to think about every beat you don't [TS]

  know uh well I'm done thank you so much [TS]

  for tuning in to tech world [TS]

  I'm John Kirkland and this is another [TS]

  episode of why computers are amazing hmm [TS]

  it's it's fun to fun it's fun to sit in [TS]

  the Apple Store and listen to all the [TS]

  other conversations it's so I have a [TS]

  little initiative I guess everybody does [TS]

  this if there's a thing that you feel [TS]

  like you're super interested or know a [TS]

  lot about you kind of want to do these [TS]

  blind questions of people like I have a [TS]

  friend who works on the Star Wars movies [TS]

  and somebody was mentioning his checkout [TS]

  person was mentioning um wrote one and [TS]

  he was without revealing that he had [TS]

  worked on some of the shots was asking [TS]

  like what did you think about grand moff [TS]

  tarkin and what did you think about that [TS]

  any of the characters and I did a [TS]

  similar thing we're like if I see [TS]

  somebody wearing Apple earpods [TS]

  I'll always ask them how out of [TS]

  curiosity do you use double tap for Siri [TS]

  or do you use double tap for play pause [TS]

  you know if you want to go out and kind [TS]

  of ask around and and learn these kinds [TS]

  of things you you do that because you [TS]

  have some you had some vested interest [TS]

  in [TS]

  that I just try I try to get a gauge I [TS]

  do a little bit of Thomas Friedman work [TS]

  right I like to just without being too [TS]

  much of a nerd you know like if you're [TS]

  in a ride ride hailing car like there's [TS]

  a good chance that person's got some [TS]

  personal technology they have to have [TS]

  that in there and that's an interesting [TS]

  times like notice like which phone [TS]

  they've got how they're using it how [TS]

  many do they have or like I go type it [TS]

  up I pick up lunch for the family and I [TS]

  notice that the burger place we go to [TS]

  has an array of seven different not just [TS]

  iPads but Samsung's they have an array [TS]

  of they've got this whole area it looks [TS]

  like you know Charles from the wrens you [TS]

  ever look at his pedal board it looks [TS]

  like that except it's all tablets to [TS]

  take orders you know I'm just I'm a [TS]

  different format yeah yeah from like [TS]

  this is caviar this is you know spoonful [TS]

  this is knife edge or whatever I don't [TS]

  know I just always think that's [TS]

  interesting to just kind of like get a [TS]

  gauge about how other people are [TS]

  thinking about and using technology and [TS]

  the Apple Store is super interesting for [TS]

  that just yeah yeah let me let me ask [TS]

  you this yes you there um this sounds [TS]

  like something that the old Merlin man [TS]

  would do back when he was Merlin man and [TS]

  was a technology pundit yeah I was a [TS]

  seasoned today oh just you know yeah now [TS]

  it seems like you're just a layperson [TS]

  just a farmer you're just a farmer Merle [TS]

  just as God made me uh and you're out [TS]

  you know you're just out hoeing you're [TS]

  your ro Helen my till why why exactly is [TS]

  this just an is just like a distracted [TS]

  interest or are you are you still still [TS]

  is it or you like the Brad Pitt [TS]

  character in the in the mortgage movie [TS]

  or you know kind of keeping your hand in [TS]

  the game even more the Christian Bale's [TS]

  oh the Christian the Christian Bale on [TS]

  the picture did you times I got some [TS]

  speed metal in a confusing high because [TS]

  I like sitting on the bus and listening [TS]

  to people talk I do - I just like [TS]

  observing people in the wild not not not [TS]

  in a snarky like I want to put your [TS]

  picture on the internet with your raven [TS]

  kind of way but like you know like oh [TS]

  you [TS]

  no that's just that is super interesting [TS]

  watching even how the lady my genius at [TS]

  the app bar like how I thought they even [TS]

  say genius or Apple bar anymore but the [TS]

  woman who helped me get my computer [TS]

  repair like watching how she interacts [TS]

  like wow how she does stuff on the phone [TS]

  that's it's not out of a vocational need [TS]

  really although this stuff does come up [TS]

  on you know I don't know I don't know [TS]

  how you define what it is that I'm doing [TS]

  these days but like it does come up I [TS]

  end up talking are several shows we're [TS]

  like I have three different shows where [TS]

  stuff about Apple will come up even [TS]

  though it's not the primary topic but [TS]

  it's mostly just my own interests like [TS]

  talking to my friends watching what [TS]

  they're doing but you know it's I don't [TS]

  know I'm not sure the point I'm trying [TS]

  to make except that it there is such an [TS]

  interesting and confusing range of [TS]

  people's reckons about technology that [TS]

  you really get to overhear as they as [TS]

  the consumers playing it to the person [TS]

  at the Genius Bar and you know let's you [TS]

  know that's not every genius is a genius [TS]

  you get real differing wait a minute [TS]

  wait a minute not all geniuses bouncing [TS]

  whole hold the phone yeah this about [TS]

  Bernie where's John is this about Bernie [TS]

  break they don't exist [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  I my computer's not working right now [TS]

  and it's the thing is that having done [TS]

  this with the iPad now my laptop and my [TS]

  whole system doesn't work right because [TS]

  I had to do all these things in order to [TS]

  upgrade I had to change passwords and [TS]

  then in by changing passwords I reset [TS]

  settings accidentally not on purpose it [TS]

  wasn't that I did it it was that the [TS]

  computer did it without asking right so [TS]

  now my message app won't let me send [TS]

  messages and I keep sending it and then [TS]

  Google just sent me an email saying an [TS]

  unsecured insecure app just tried to log [TS]

  on to your Google and that and I'm just [TS]

  in the laptop sending messages via the [TS]

  message app like I didn't have anything [TS]

  to do with Google on this but but it's [TS]

  going through some you know yeah it's [TS]

  going through the the passages of my [TS]

  mind or whatever hmm uh and so anyway so [TS]

  here I am I got I got three messages I [TS]

  need to send I need to send them [TS]

  kisum so that's crazy problem I'm [TS]

  putting anger right now I see I'm trying [TS]

  not to talk about this on the program [TS]

  because we should talk about this [TS]

  offline you're worried that somebody [TS]

  listening to the program is going to [TS]

  immediately use their superior hacking [TS]

  qualities to how am i sorry I'm worried [TS]

  that's already happened on somebody's oh [TS]

  I see so if you can't if you're if [TS]

  cranium you should never need to change [TS]

  your password to do an update that's oh [TS]

  no I don't think I had to do that it was [TS]

  that they it was that uh why I mean [TS]

  honestly I have no idea right they think [TS]

  the thing to do to figure this out is to [TS]

  take your known good Apple name and I'm [TS]

  trying to look you up here look whatever [TS]

  you're using for your come on contact [TS]

  card yeah you should go and see if you [TS]

  can log in you go to [TS]

  and see if you can log in with what you [TS]

  know to be the correct credentials yeah [TS]

  all right well Annie what you should do [TS]

  so thanks for your coming apart thank [TS]

  you thanks for coming to Mack comm show [TS]

  I'm your host you-you-you don't ask [TS]

  aunty your sequestered from from so much [TS]

  of my world probably by design you can't [TS]

  even imagine the feedback that I get [TS]

  from people about what I should be [TS]

  helping you with it's very frustrating [TS]

  to people that I'm not constantly going [TS]

  in and correcting anything that's even [TS]

  slightly wrong you're running from [TS]

  submit but also if you have the [TS]

  slightest technical problem the entire [TS]

  internet is very frustrated with me that [TS]

  I don't fly to se a B Viva Seattle [TS]

  Tacoma leave a SeaTac and personally go [TS]

  I'd help you with whatever your [TS]

  misunderstanding [TS]

  oh yeah feedback I get feedback about [TS]

  this yeah I'm I'm a pro straighter with [TS]

  the - what the hell aren't you doing [TS]

  that I know you know what this is part [TS]

  of Jeff oshins portfolio why don't you [TS]

  fly up here and fix this this message [TS]

  app right now oh you know what it is [TS]

  it's this it's the second device [TS]

  authentication did I agree to that I [TS]

  agreed to which means that now I can't [TS]

  do anything without [TS]

  also finding my phone and typing in they [TS]

  might have lock your car keys into a [TS]

  second set of car keys I did oh so look [TS]

  at you so just look at you squared away [TS]

  okay oh wait a minute what was that that [TS]

  just happened why did I oh no what [TS]

  happened John ah it said you need to put [TS]

  this code into your other machine and I [TS]

  said okay he dismissed an and then I'm [TS]

  and then I dismissed it no because I [TS]

  didn't know where I wanted me to put it [TS]

  chit chit and and I was like a Zapotec [TS]

  get back but you got in you found you [TS]

  can find your car keys inside the car [TS]

  keys you're gonna get a lot I'm gonna [TS]

  try right now hang on okay yeah but this [TS]

  is such good radiuses good fun um I got [TS]

  the numbers in verifying trust this [TS]

  browser it asks me do I trust the [TS]

  browser what is that what blew the [TS]

  browser Safari then he got hacked I got [TS]

  a virus I got heck with the virus be [TS]

  said you done dude it okay alright I [TS]

  think [TS]

  oh wait a minute hey my cloud storage is [TS]

  almost full oh it's photos videos [TS]

  documents and data will no longer be [TS]

  updated but I can learn more let's see [TS]

  what it says good manage my iCloud [TS]

  storage oh I can increase my storage [TS]

  just 50 gigabytes who would ever need [TS]

  that many gigabytes for $0.99 US dollars [TS]

  a month you know I'm a flurbot terabyte [TS]

  go for the terabyte I'm not going to put [TS]

  another eel on my bottom [TS]

  it's you know it's like it's it's like [TS]

  um it's like the the Cosa Nostra right [TS]

  they stopped by your cheese shop and [TS]

  they go you got a real nice cheese shop [TS]

  here it'll be a shame if anything [TS]

  happened your camembert it's it's like [TS]

  that except in this case the putting the [TS]

  army'll on you with attention where it's [TS]

  like every morning it's gonna go you [TS]

  know what I mean well I mean in the time [TS]

  okay here's the great thing in the time [TS]

  that it took me to write and set to [TS]

  write the person I was trying to so so [TS]

  there's a mayoral race in Seattle this [TS]

  season and uh my good friend former [TS]

  mayor Mike McGinn mm-hmm has thrown his [TS]

  hat back in the race to run against his [TS]

  arch nemesis and current mayor uh ed [TS]

  Murray Cassie [TS]

  ed Murray had a dust-up ed Murray is in [TS]

  the newspapers a lot recently here and [TS]

  I'm not trying to be provocative but I [TS]

  feel like I've heard some things uh he [TS]

  has uh he is it in the midst of scandal [TS]

  okay he says when she says is uh like [TS]

  dirty tricks right well I mean I I don't [TS]

  have any problem just outlying the facts [TS]

  of the case [TS]

  yeah which are that uh you know ed [TS]

  Murray is gay he was a volunteer and [TS]

  like a like a an activist a community [TS]

  activist in Portland in the 80s okay [TS]

  and he was in his 30s in the late 1980s [TS]

  and he worked with you know at-risk [TS]

  youth for many years accusations have [TS]

  dog Tim's that he in the process of [TS]

  mentoring uh street kids groomed and you [TS]

  know helped a couple of them uh in the [TS]

  sense that he let the [TS]

  live at his house okay and uh and then [TS]

  the accusation then there were [TS]

  accusations at the time that he had that [TS]

  he was sexually abusing them and this is [TS]

  was like a a whisper in the press or was [TS]

  this kind of a public say no he wasn't [TS]

  he wasn't I don't think prominent enough [TS]

  then that it would have been a whisper [TS]

  in the press know a kid actually went to [TS]

  the cops okay in the eighties thanks and [TS]

  in the 80s it was a scene where you know [TS]

  here was this upstanding sort of guy in [TS]

  his 30s who is working with at-risk [TS]

  youth versus a 15 year old drug addict [TS]

  street kid and so the cops just you know [TS]

  brushed it under the table right they [TS]

  just like the they didn't pursue it so [TS]

  now at right at the start of this [TS]

  election season the handful of guys who [TS]

  were teenagers in the 80s have come [TS]

  forward and said this happened to me and [TS]

  they they all have a lot of supportive [TS]

  for supporting evidence you know they [TS]

  all remember a certain sort of aspect of [TS]

  his penis it had a bump on it and a [TS]

  cuppa [TS]

  one of the guys remembers Ed's phone [TS]

  number by heart you know from late 80s [TS]

  and it was a you know it is precisely a [TS]

  my own private Idaho scenario in some [TS]

  ways right these guys were these teens [TS]

  were Street kids and drug kids and they [TS]

  were hustlers and they freely admit that [TS]

  they were hustlers but this was a [TS]

  different scene with IDI right he was [TS]

  like I mean one of the kids adopted Ed's [TS]

  last name as his you know he was [TS]

  borderline adopting them this is very [TS]

  complicated [TS]

  yeah and doing all that stuff you know [TS]

  giving them money taking them to the [TS]

  doctor promoting them saying you know go [TS]

  to college he was acting as a father [TS]

  figure in a lot of ways [TS]

  and they you know and and all these kids [TS]

  say you know that in a way they loved [TS]

  him and some ways really loved him but [TS]

  he also was you know they kind of [TS]

  weren't they didn't want to have his [TS]

  penis in them hmm and that was sort of [TS]

  what he would that was his game I guess [TS]

  this is the accusation I have no I have [TS]

  no knowledge one where they up obviously [TS]

  and complicating matters further the [TS]

  people that are from that are pushing [TS]

  this lawsuit are it's a law firm and a [TS]

  kind of a group that is a very [TS]

  conservative Christian group that is [TS]

  pushing a very strong agenda and they [TS]

  come at at a few different ways they're [TS]

  they're the type of group that does this [TS]

  sort of thing to other politicians one [TS]

  of the guys in the in the article the [TS]

  newspaper article about these accusers [TS]

  one of the guys had taken a masking tape [TS]

  and written on the front of his blue [TS]

  t-shirt written Jesus Saves in masking [TS]

  tape across the shirt for the photoshoot [TS]

  because he forgot to wear his Jesus [TS]

  Saves shirt so that is you know the [TS]

  leftists right are very suspicious of [TS]

  that whole thing and so we're off to the [TS]

  races right the mayor's office denies [TS]

  everything they went to the dot they [TS]

  went to had some doctor examine him and [TS]

  say there's no bump on his penis even [TS]

  though it's sort of one of those things [TS]

  where it's like really there's like four [TS]

  guys that all say the same thing um and [TS]

  so it's like it's very it's very [TS]

  complicated and all Oh non-complicated [TS]

  also because if you're running against [TS]

  him that's not the way you'd want to win [TS]

  you were right well it isn't except that [TS]

  you know like this will bring a lot of [TS]

  crazies into the [TS]

  but the thing about McGinn is that he is [TS]

  against Edie Marie profoundly and McGinn [TS]

  doesn't care begin will never mention [TS]

  this this this isn't on his radar at all [TS]

  he he just he's against Ed's personality [TS]

  he's against his policies he's a he is [TS]

  he's a he's been sitting on the [TS]

  sidelines for the last four years [TS]

  just like chomping at it he really [TS]

  helped my City Council campaign and it [TS]

  was in that time that I realized that [TS]

  he's a player he wants in you know and [TS]

  so this was just a you know the lot a [TS]

  lot of the reason that McGinn wouldn't [TS]

  have run against it and I'm sure he was [TS]

  conceived been thinking about it the [TS]

  entire time is Ed's a very good [TS]

  politician too and had shored up support [TS]

  from a lot of different quadrants and a [TS]

  lot of that support in politics I [TS]

  learned in running is I mean everybody's [TS]

  very half-hearted they're like well we [TS]

  don't like this about we don't like this [TS]

  or that about this person but he's our [TS]

  best shot so we're throwing everything [TS]

  behind him right because there's no [TS]

  there's no half endorsement in politics [TS]

  nobody goes like well we sort of like [TS]

  both people but you know I mean the only [TS]

  people that do that are the stranger [TS]

  right who who endorsed my opponent by [TS]

  saying this guy's kind of a creepy [TS]

  serial killer but he knows policy John [TS]

  Roderick is a really fun rakish exciting [TS]

  guy that we like a lot but he just [TS]

  hasn't been in the game long enough and [TS]

  that's an endorsement that helps nobody [TS]

  or satisfies nobody right that's just [TS]

  like thank-thanks but most like the [TS]

  union's everybody else restaurant it [TS]

  would be like a restaurant review where [TS]

  they can't personally find anything to [TS]

  like on the menu but they can give you [TS]

  reasons not to order two different [TS]

  things it's like well okay so should I [TS]

  avoid the restaurant altogether like [TS]

  right it's a I kid that's not really [TS]

  super actionable unless I just side not [TS]

  to vote yeah or just you just got you're [TS]

  like I mean there [TS]

  I guess they're open about lesser of two [TS]

  evils but 99% of the people don't don't [TS]

  read even that deep into it they just [TS]

  they pulled the cheat sheet out and [TS]

  check the box that they tell him to [TS]

  check you sure but in this case the the [TS]

  question of whether or not Mike McGinn [TS]

  would run against Edie Marie was always [TS]

  a question of how vulnerable is Edie and [TS]

  Edie is a very good politician and so he [TS]

  had shored up support from all of the [TS]

  groups all of the the all of the people [TS]

  you need so he seemed in he seemed less [TS]

  vulnerable not invulnerable ever right [TS]

  but he seemed like if all the powers [TS]

  that be were going to get behind him [TS]

  he's a much more difficult person to run [TS]

  against this this unfortunate [TS]

  controversy and I and I don't mean it [TS]

  just that it's unfortunate for Ed it's [TS]

  unfortunate for all involved it's and [TS]

  and presuming I think that you kind of [TS]

  can presume that there's truth to these [TS]

  accusations cuz it just doesn't seem [TS]

  unlikely you know it seems like there's [TS]

  just points you get to and I don't know [TS]

  anything about this I'm not trying to [TS]

  speculate but you know there are those [TS]

  kinds of things that you run into where [TS]

  you're like this there's so many [TS]

  different pieces coming to even small [TS]

  pieces coming from so many different [TS]

  places you know it isn't like a you know [TS]

  well one-one idiot says Iraq has WMDs [TS]

  you know it isn't even anything like [TS]

  that it's more like there's so much [TS]

  little bits of chatter and smoke from so [TS]

  many different places it almost seems in [TS]

  the in retrospect with cases like that [TS]

  it seems like there's probably something [TS]

  going on well and also and this is the [TS]

  this is the problem that makes it hard [TS]

  to shake for sure if if you talk to if [TS]

  you talk to anyone who was a gay [TS]

  teenager in the 1980s there was a [TS]

  culture then and there wasn't there was [TS]

  a culture that was that that just had a [TS]

  very different idea of what the age of [TS]

  the appropriate age of consent was and [TS]

  in a lot of these western states like [TS]

  that the age of consent in Oregon has [TS]

  been 18 for a long time but across [TS]

  America the there are a there states [TS]

  where the age of consent was 12 until [TS]

  not that long ago no in Ohio for [TS]

  heterosexual business uh-uh yeah because [TS]

  because homosexual business was against [TS]

  the law no matter how old you were [TS]

  there was no age of consent for it right [TS]

  it could not be it was illegal by my [TS]

  definition but the age of consent for [TS]

  heterosexual sex in a mean it's still [TS]

  very state to state and there are states [TS]

  where it's 14 years old still there are [TS]

  a lot of yeah there are a lot of states [TS]

  where it's 16 like the number of states [TS]

  that it was 18 were definitely in the [TS]

  minority for a long time I think that's [TS]

  not true now but so so this idea that we [TS]

  have that 18 years old is the age of [TS]

  consent or even 16 is the age of consent [TS]

  isn't necessarily that that's a that's a [TS]

  that is an idea that has been evolving [TS]

  over time and in the 80s in in Oregon on [TS]

  the streets of Portland and I was on the [TS]

  streets of Portland in the 80s and it [TS]

  was a dark and lawless place but it's [TS]

  not just digitally can find a finally [TS]

  wasn't there no but I did meet keanue we [TS]

  went for a motorcycle ride but like all [TS]

  of them all the American streets right [TS]

  like the the gay communities were not [TS]

  able to be out and proud they had they [TS]

  had their own sort of system their own [TS]

  law and a lot of you know if you talk to [TS]

  Dan Savage about his own experiences or [TS]

  anybody my age who was gay in the 80s [TS]

  their experiences are incredibly varied [TS]

  and a lot of them had mentors who were [TS]

  older men that sort of brought them into [TS]

  the life showed them the way and were [TS]

  and that's a thing that that in a [TS]

  heterosexual context it never it's [TS]

  always a little bit uh creepy the idea [TS]

  of a mentor right or like an older man [TS]

  that's going to show it your money [TS]

  out anytime I just loves hearing about [TS]

  these problems that you see or know I [TS]

  think University University of [TS]

  California is changing as of this week I [TS]

  think changing the structure for how [TS]

  things like especially things with [TS]

  faculty get reported and tracked down [TS]

  you know I mean that's I think that's [TS]

  something where the anytime there's a [TS]

  power differential there's going to be [TS]

  questions right I mean anytime that [TS]

  there is one person has venus otro for [TS]

  sexual harassment that anytime there's a [TS]

  power differential like the way that [TS]

  every aspect of how that gets treated is [TS]

  different it's one thing for it to be [TS]

  your 18 year old neighbor and another [TS]

  thing for it to be like a 40 year old [TS]

  powerful man you know who has who has a [TS]

  reputation and who has the ability to [TS]

  affect any way it's just it's it's not [TS]

  difficult not to look weird even that is [TS]

  a recent you know or an evolving idea [TS]

  right we we see that power now as a [TS]

  thing that that it that power [TS]

  differential as a thing that is that we [TS]

  we pour a lot of energy into seeing it [TS]

  as uh as exploitative um but that wasn't [TS]

  the case in the seventies right or or in [TS]

  the 90s even it is oh really [TS]

  interactively interfer in terms of a [TS]

  mutual consent mostly relationship yeah [TS]

  just in that in that but it wasn't [TS]

  usually like I I had several instructors [TS]

  in college who dated students like who [TS]

  were in the class with me that used to [TS]

  be like a pretty normal thing my [TS]

  guidance counselor at the University of [TS]

  Washington when I was 22 and she was 38 [TS]

  huh I remember this seduced me and um [TS]

  and had control over my transcripts and [TS]

  what because I was transferring to the [TS]

  University she was the person [TS]

  determining what the my credits were [TS]

  going to be like I was coming from a [TS]

  school that had a semester system I was [TS]

  joining a school that had a [TS]

  system and it was sort of up to her [TS]

  discretion whether or not a semester [TS]

  credit was written down as a credit for [TS]

  a quarter or credit for two quarters [TS]

  almost every college garlis of how good [TS]

  the colleges is if you transfer in they [TS]

  will find a way to shave credit no [TS]

  matter where you went and she found a [TS]

  way to not shave those credits Wow [TS]

  um she found a way because she had the [TS]

  she had the the number two pencil that [TS]

  some of my higher level classes that [TS]

  were owned that were a semester long got [TS]

  turned into two quarters worth of credit [TS]

  because we were sleeping together [TS]

  and that wasn't mm-hmm that that wasn't [TS]

  lost on me but and not not that I was [TS]

  doing it not that I was doing it like [TS]

  right now with malice aforethought it [TS]

  wasn't like you said oh I'm gonna go [TS]

  have this relationship in order to get [TS]

  more credits no I had no idea that such [TS]

  a relationship was possible until I was [TS]

  in it but it became very weird later [TS]

  when I kind of like you broke up with [TS]

  her for lack of a better term and she [TS]

  called my house my mom's house saying hi [TS]

  this is John's guidance counselor I'm [TS]

  really worried about him do you have any [TS]

  information about you know like it was [TS]

  there was an incredible power [TS]

  differential and she was in the end I [TS]

  think a very nice person who was in her [TS]

  own life kind of going through a period [TS]

  going through a a midlife crisis maybe [TS]

  even and um and I always have seemed [TS]

  older than I was or more mature than I [TS]

  was but I it wasn't just that I was 22 [TS]

  like I was pretty inexperienced not I [TS]

  was not a 22 year old who had had [TS]

  ten long-term relationships with girls [TS]

  my own age you know I was still pretty [TS]

  new I didn't lose my virginity until I [TS]

  was 20 and I had you know and then [TS]

  though that next couple of years from 20 [TS]

  to 22 were not particularly fruitful [TS]

  years in terms of getting to know ladies [TS]

  and what and how to how to behave how I [TS]

  behave myself and in do and she did [TS]

  teach me right she taught me uh things [TS]

  that I didn't know about things that I [TS]

  didn't that hadn't occurred to me to [TS]

  know you know yeah like it wasn't just a [TS]

  she wasn't exploiting me or I mean I [TS]

  didn't I didn't feel like I guess I felt [TS]

  like that at the time but I didn't feel [TS]

  like um I you know it's not like I was I [TS]

  wasn't afraid of anything I'm not I'm [TS]

  not exactly I haven't really thought [TS]

  about it in a long time and tried to [TS]

  process it in a modern context because [TS]

  at the time it just felt like and you [TS]

  know and if you say to your friends like [TS]

  oh yeah they're like whoa right because [TS]

  it's a because it's a the nature of a [TS]

  younger man older woman relationship is [TS]

  that people don't have sympathy for that [TS]

  right they're talking about that this [TS]

  week on DoubleX [TS]

  gab fest they were talking about the [TS]

  whole thing of like just that that weird [TS]

  imbalance between we're like if you see [TS]

  an older predatory man with a younger [TS]

  woman I mean you know a child or you [TS]

  know teenager you everybody looks at [TS]

  that and goes you but like there is [TS]

  still this narrative of when it's an [TS]

  older potentially predatory woman who's [TS]

  using their power willfully in this case [TS]

  maybe like everybody goes yeah right [TS]

  like it's so like you know yeah but in [TS]

  that case you like you were an adult you [TS]

  weren't a minor at the time but there's [TS]

  still in our Delta I mean and I but I [TS]

  was a minor in my mind you know that I [TS]

  was still a child but there was when we [TS]

  when she and I would go shopping [TS]

  this was always very interesting because [TS]

  of what I would talk to my friends and [TS]

  even my even my uh my girlfriend's like [TS]

  my younger woman friends yeah it was [TS]

  always it was always uh regarded as that [TS]

  I that this was evidence that I was a [TS]

  that I was a big wheelwright that I was [TS]

  sleeping with this older woman that was [TS]

  in a position of power and she was a [TS]

  lawyer - I mean she she had she she had [TS]

  left her career in order to work at the [TS]

  University for some reason I don't know [TS]

  maybe hmm maybe it was maybe because [TS]

  look back huh has she ever been in the [TS]

  clergy yeah exactly [TS]

  but when we would go to the grocery [TS]

  store together other middle-aged women [TS]

  would glare at her and so much so that I [TS]

  noticed it and I mentioned it to her one [TS]

  time because we were waiting in line you [TS]

  know we were checking out we had bought [TS]

  some ingredients for she was gonna make [TS]

  me something she called green pizza and [TS]

  we were sitting there in the and the [TS]

  woman checking us out at the grocery [TS]

  store was given you know was just kind [TS]

  of giving her a lot of vibe and and [TS]

  there were a couple of encounters where [TS]

  we were walking down the aisle and [TS]

  putting stuff in the shopping cart and [TS]

  it was clear that we were there as a [TS]

  romantic couple and not as she wasn't my [TS]

  mom right and uh and you know and and [TS]

  she just got the stink-eye and I [TS]

  mentioned to her and she was like oh [TS]

  yeah well she sort of blew it off as [TS]

  though it was you know uh she wasn't [TS]

  surprised and it it did surprise me and [TS]

  still kind of surprises me because I'm [TS]

  not sure what I'm not sure what that [TS]

  means within the within a culture of [TS]

  middle-aged women like what why you [TS]

  would be mad at someone who had a young [TS]

  boyfriend what exactly what exact crime [TS]

  year [TS]

  come on without getting any too specific [TS]

  because who knows but I mean the basic [TS]

  one is oh I know what you're up to right [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  everybody might have different reasons [TS]

  why it bothers them that she's up to [TS]

  that but I mean it's a common thing is [TS]

  like oh you're not fooling anybody [TS]

  yeah and and it feels a little bit like [TS]

  the like Monty Python Housewives like [TS]

  hey pearl pearl clutching mm-hmm but um [TS]

  all of that is sort of uh beside the [TS]

  point or or at least tangential to the [TS]

  point which is that you all you had to [TS]

  do it seemed so simple was to send uh [TS]

  send the text to the mayoral candidate [TS]

  hmm to Houston [TS]

  oh right solvent popping the stack John [TS]

  so here I Mike McGinn who has declared [TS]

  that he's running for the for the mayor [TS]

  allottee the only reason he's chosen to [TS]

  do it is that that he saw he saw [TS]

  political advantage right there ISM [TS]

  there was a moment where Ed's newfound [TS]

  vulnerability was going to cause enough [TS]

  of the people that enough of the unions [TS]

  that had thrown their support behind him [TS]

  to waver and to be unsure that there [TS]

  would be a there was an opportunity for [TS]

  Mike to get in he has you know Mike [TS]

  wouldn't care if it was just that Ed had [TS]

  stubbed his toe might be getting an [TS]

  opening yeah and he Mike's going to do a [TS]

  better job and he's going to be better [TS]

  for the city is why he's running right [TS]

  that's what that's his his justification [TS]

  so anyway he and I were supposed to meet [TS]

  for lunch today but the problem was and [TS]

  this is the problem I never put things [TS]

  into my calendar right I have made three [TS]

  separate lunch dates for today at noon [TS]

  Oh John and I didn't realize it I didn't [TS]

  realize I had done it I was like [TS]

  everybody that talked to me last week it [TS]

  was like we should get lunch next week I [TS]

  was like what about Monday and each [TS]

  person was like let me get back to you [TS]

  and when they got back to me we're like [TS]

  yes let's do Monday 12:30 let's do [TS]

  Monday at 12:30 I was like great and [TS]

  last night [TS]

  I was like sittin and stewing and I was [TS]

  like wait a minute do I have something [TS]

  to do tomorrow [TS]

  uh-huh I looked at my calendar there [TS]

  wasn't anything there and um and then I [TS]

  was like I think I'm having lunch with [TS]

  the mayor and I thought wait a minute [TS]

  aren't I also having lunch with Brian [TS]

  and Scott [TS]

  what does anybody else that I'm having [TS]

  lunch with and then I did I said can I [TS]

  wear is there anybody did I just feel [TS]

  like then I was like oh shit I'm having [TS]

  lunch with Kate and I felt like such a [TS]

  dunce over okay [TS]

  dunce over okay [TS]

  quite a feeling I hate that feeling it's [TS]

  like like this and unforced error like [TS]

  Oh jiminy what am I doing here yeah yeah [TS]

  like what did I turn three different [TS]

  people and all these are important [TS]

  lunches right I want to have lunch with [TS]

  Kate I want to have lunch with Mike I [TS]

  want to have lunch with Brian and Scott [TS]

  don't leave it all in garden consolidate [TS]

  them it's just what I thought for a [TS]

  minute but every one of those [TS]

  conversations all three of them are [TS]

  supposed to be competent I don't know [TS]

  it's just this is how bearing out is [TS]

  these so telling you you guys should be [TS]

  working together all one big team so all [TS]

  morning I've been sending you know [TS]

  trying to send this message like hey I [TS]

  got to reschedule hey I got a reschedule [TS]

  uh I just got a text on my phone from [TS]

  Brian and Scott saying get this this is [TS]

  these two these two fucking guys it's [TS]

  11:10 a.m. they're like we're here at [TS]

  the restaurant get here when you can [TS]

  play mini seriously you guys gonna sit [TS]

  there for an hour so I'm gonna show up [TS]

  at or an hour and a half I'm gonna show [TS]

  up at 12:30 and you're gonna you know [TS]

  and the checks gonna be on the table and [TS]

  have a thumb of coffee left in the cup [TS]

  so so what what I just did was i it as [TS]

  Brian and Scott sent me that saying that [TS]

  they're already there [TS]

  that indicates to me that I am NOT [TS]

  taking that lunch date seriously anymore [TS]

  oh really [TS]

  okay because I'm gonna go there right [TS]

  but I'm gonna swing by because you're [TS]

  gonna swing by my swing ugly ready like [TS]

  we had state for 12:30 not for 11 [TS]

  they're there already they're gonna have [TS]

  their own little how can these men but [TS]

  that's that's a little bit of a [TS]

  passive-aggressive move I'll say it puts [TS]

  you back on your heels no unnecessarily [TS]

  so I'm gonna swing by and let's just [TS]

  sales but I sent a thing to Kate saying [TS]

  I was sorry could we reschedule and then [TS]

  I asked the mayor if we could push it [TS]

  back till 2:00 and the mayor just wrote [TS]

  back and said yep so Wow I'm I'm on it [TS]

  too with the mayor I cancel with Kate [TS]

  I'm going to see you get your swing by [TS]

  first and then you're gonna go back the [TS]

  mayor [TS]

  I'm gonna go meet the mayor and then [TS]

  early dinner with Adam Savage because [TS]

  I'm interviewing him tonight at the [TS]

  University of Washington Oh No kidding [TS]

  and we're gonna talk about what we're [TS]

  going to talk about wait wait hang on [TS]

  you talk about Mythbusters guy yeah I [TS]

  like that just he get he got he got [TS]

  brought to town by the University Office [TS]

  he didn't want him he's a very nice man [TS]

  very nice man they asked if I would be [TS]

  the moderator and I said of course [TS]

  so that's my day-to-day is swing by like [TS]

  sorry had to have to skip Kate huh [TS]

  bounce over to the Merrit too and then [TS]

  early dinner with Adam at 5:00 boy [TS]

  you're a hell of a day going on this is [TS]

  a good day it's exciting right [TS]

  just another day in the life hmm I woke [TS]

  up and I fell out of bed mm-hmm I didn't [TS]

  even dragged a comb across oh you didn't [TS]

  even find your way upstairs and have a [TS]

  cup I have my cups or downstairs but [TS]

  then when you looked up [TS]

  do you notice you really noticed I was [TS]

  like what am i late to the show I was [TS]

  those few minutes late we both made [TS]

  coffee [TS]

  no no I'm USA USA ding ding I asked it's [TS]

  Adams really good summit it's a fun time [TS]

  I got it very rated as a masterpiece but [TS]

  it's a very good song the thing is that [TS]

  nobody had ever done it before so thank [TS]

  you so you get a bye you get a pass when [TS]

  nobody's ever done so it's for you get [TS]

  useful pass the George Martin Georgia [TS]

  Martin gets full points for that but [TS]

  like you know it's good it's good you [TS]

  know it's no and your Burke I sing yeah [TS]

  sorry I don't mean to take off your [TS]

  lunch talk my brother Bart once said to [TS]

  me as I was complaining about revolution [TS]

  number 9 uh my brother [TS]

  defended revolution number nine and did [TS]

  it as you know as a groundbreaking [TS]

  watershed experimentation a thing that [TS]

  was you know that changed the world [TS]

  there was never you couldn't go back [TS]

  couldn't put revolution number nine back [TS]

  in the bottle and I was unsophisticated [TS]

  at the time I was just a I was just a [TS]

  teenager and I was saying it's a huge [TS]

  chunk of an album that's already too [TS]

  long and everyone in the world has only [TS]

  listened to it once or twice like it's [TS]

  not a song that you play the The White [TS]

  Album our revolution number nine number [TS]

  nine oh yeah we don't know yeah I I [TS]

  happen to adore that record but no [TS]

  you're right that's that's that's us [TS]

  that's a skipper yet you don't put that [TS]

  side of the album on yeah it's like that [TS]

  butcher song on an odyssey an Oracle [TS]

  like every great album has a song every [TS]

  bass ket's cuz it's - drekia [TS]

  dum not every about a lot but my brother [TS]

  wouldn't hear it he would not hear nope [TS]

  because it was the first and I feel like [TS]

  because it was the first like music [TS]

  concrete brought in to rock yeah I mean [TS]

  it was it was innovative in in there [TS]

  were so many techniques that had that [TS]

  even in the even in an avant-garde [TS]

  context hadn't been tried yet okay [TS]

  multitrack right multi-tracking him I [TS]

  guess I I don't care for it I think it's [TS]

  I don't think it's aged well no no it [TS]

  has and and I and I think the orchestral [TS]

  swells of a day-in-the-life [TS]

  are uh you know we're all used to them [TS]

  they are they are but they're and I [TS]

  think that that was a fine solution to [TS]

  that problem but you can tell by the way [TS]

  that they built it right they they had [TS]

  the one part they had the other part [TS]

  they didn't know what to do they counted [TS]

  off that that area right on either side [TS]

  yeah and said leave Spacey more thing [TS]

  yeah we'll put something here uh-huh and [TS]

  the solution was what they with how they [TS]

  solve it right that's that's what [TS]

  happened but I don't think that in a [TS]

  world of infinite possibility [TS]

  the I don't think that that was the best [TS]

  thing that could have gone in that [TS]

  pocket hmm let's just put it that way [TS]

  but nobody asked me nobody wants nobody [TS]

  wants to ghost of Christmas past me back [TS]

  to Abbey Road no to get my you know my [TS]

  thoughts on it like hey you guys touch [TS]

  it before we do this this was remember [TS]

  white white up we talk about the White [TS]

  Album we talk about Daniel life [TS]

  oh okay Dan the Life Sergeant Pepper [TS]

  right you know what's weird when I was [TS]

  going to sleep last night you're not [TS]

  gonna believe the song I had in my head [TS]

  uh she's leaving home for some reason [TS]

  was in my head it's a great song it's a [TS]

  really good song he's make me so sad [TS]

  when I was like 12 or 13 oh this must be [TS]

  what it's like when your child leaves [TS]

  home must suck yeah yeah me too [TS]

  thinking about how his wife's got a [TS]

  dressing-gown I started to think as I [TS]

  was falling asleep I was thinking how it [TS]

  sounds like English people have lots of [TS]

  different clothes for different modes [TS]

  that Americans just don't have well they [TS]

  have sleeping hats that's true yep [TS]

  yeah dress gowns night shirts do about [TS]

  unions did you ever wear a nightshirt [TS]

  yeah and not something I felt very [TS]

  comfortable about but I'm usually like a [TS]

  pajamas or underwear man I got the whole [TS]

  sickening sweatpants yeah for a while in [TS]

  the 1980s during the I think what I'm [TS]

  going to call the initial prep revival [TS]

  um when Lands End first really was [TS]

  making a stab for the boat shoe market [TS]

  oh sure there was a there was a point [TS]

  where I got an LLB n-- plaid flannel [TS]

  nightshirt hmm um and you know what I [TS]

  mean by nightshirt right it's knee [TS]

  length flannel oh go to the cleaner pan [TS]

  you get like a long long search like [TS]

  almost like a tooth right mm-hmm and I [TS]

  was like I'm gonna I'm doing this I'm [TS]

  I'm I'm rockin the nightshirt now it was [TS]

  right when I had transitioned from [TS]

  tighty whitey underwear or y-fronts [TS]

  to boxer shorts and I felt like these [TS]

  were the items of [TS]

  sophisticated manhood men did not wear [TS]

  white underwear they wore plaid boxers [TS]

  because that's because I don't know [TS]

  where I got that idea and nightshirts is [TS]

  how we slept and I rocked this [TS]

  nightshirt for a while but I'm a I'm an [TS]

  active sleeper and I would get tangled [TS]

  up in this thing I would get tangled up [TS]

  in it like like when you put four towels [TS]

  in a dryer uh like I was just it was [TS]

  like up over my head and I'm an athletic [TS]

  sleeper [TS]

  I've jump around I bounce around when [TS]

  I'm sleeping and then one day I came [TS]

  home from school and my nightshirt had [TS]

  been cut in half huh because my sister [TS]

  decided that it was a cool punk rock [TS]

  layering so yeah development she had a [TS]

  belt and you got a got a steel going [TS]

  there well except that she cut the [TS]

  bottom nine inches off because it did [TS]

  more like a Madonna like a midriff type [TS]

  situation she had well no it wasn't that [TS]

  high but she had cut she just decided [TS]

  that she had the power to take scissors [TS]

  to my stuff that's pretty crazy [TS]

  it was brassy and if I hadn't if she [TS]

  hadn't [TS]

  I probably would have the nightshirt [TS]

  would have gone down the river I would [TS]

  have never thought about it again if [TS]

  she'd said can I have that even but the [TS]

  fact that she cut that thing means that [TS]

  I will never forget that night sure [TS]

  right I'm still upset about still you're [TS]

  still stewing I'm still stewing I had a [TS]

  very interesting dream scape last night [TS]

  are you okay four-time yeah I don't know [TS]

  those guys I'm just gonna swing by [TS]

  opinions I had a very interesting so [TS]

  normally my when I lay in bed and I'm [TS]

  trying to go to sleep or if I wake up [TS]

  and I want to go back to sleep I kind of [TS]

  have this dream landscape that I [TS]

  conjured that's that's full of adventure [TS]

  right it's high adventure [TS]

  what what what drifts me off to sleep is [TS]

  that I'm you know I'm like part of a [TS]

  secret mission that's doing a halo jump [TS]

  into some kind of you know like jungle [TS]

  where we're going to take on some [TS]

  drug criminals or you know I'm like I [TS]

  have a I sketch out a little adventure [TS]

  scenario and then I put myself sort of [TS]

  up there and this in the like with my [TS]

  parachute on and my oxygen mask on and [TS]

  my teammates and we're like let's go and [TS]

  we jump and then it's sort of like [TS]

  jumping off into sleep Wow Wow uh like I [TS]

  do a lot of that kind of and I'm not [TS]

  sure how long those adventure scenarios [TS]

  carry over into my dreams but that's [TS]

  kind of like how I head off to sleep and [TS]

  you would think they're very adventurous [TS]

  scenarios that it would get my heart [TS]

  beating and I wouldn't fall asleep but [TS]

  it exactly is like the opposite of what [TS]

  you want I think about trying to get my [TS]

  heartbeat to lower no no I'm always just [TS]

  like alright here we go [TS]

  like this then we're or like heist [TS]

  scenarios right we're where I'm where [TS]

  I'm thinking like and the high scenarios [TS]

  always maybe what puts me to sleep is [TS]

  not so much the stealing of the thing [TS]

  but the fencing of the thing when I sit [TS]

  and think about because I run high [TS]

  scenarios periodically I spend more time [TS]

  thinking about fencing the goods or [TS]

  laundering the money like bye-bye [TS]

  like we've dollar heist involved like [TS]

  gold bullion you got some bars like how [TS]

  you monetize that how do you monetize it [TS]

  right if you if you're one of those [TS]

  those guys that steals a pallet full of [TS]

  money in the back of a of a armored car [TS]

  yeah and and you make it let's say you [TS]

  make it to Mexico or wherever you're [TS]

  going how do you launder that money that [TS]

  is what I really like to think about the [TS]

  heist itself I figure is fait accompli [TS]

  sure right we're gonna go and we're [TS]

  gonna take the diamonds we're gonna get [TS]

  the money the gold whatever well so [TS]

  gonna take the pen 1 2 3 we're like [TS]

  obviously success is not a guarantee but [TS]

  the really interesting part in some ways [TS]

  not really interesting but the second [TS]

  interesting part is what happens after [TS]

  they're done and how they get caught [TS]

  because how they get caught part of the [TS]

  heist is always a fun part too and [TS]

  that's how that's the that's the part of [TS]

  the heist an area that I never want to I [TS]

  don't want to have under thought it [TS]

  right I've got I'm gonna have a plan too [TS]

  much so much of the upfront like you get [TS]

  the English guy with the bomb in the [TS]

  briefcase [TS]

  not [TS]

  the backend like how do we get to [TS]

  Guatemala or what have you that's right [TS]

  like you find the guy with the big [TS]

  glasses who walks you through a back [TS]

  door and there's a passport waiting for [TS]

  you anyway last night [TS]

  I'm thinking um you know I'm laying in [TS]

  bed and I'm like kind of flipping [TS]

  through my rolodex of heist stories and [TS]

  hallo jumps and just spontaneously I [TS]

  don't know where this came from at all I [TS]

  it was not intentional I'm lying there [TS]

  and all of a sudden I'm driving a bus in [TS]

  Ireland huh [TS]

  I'm on the wrong you know I'm on the [TS]

  left side of the street and I'm in [TS]

  Western Ireland so rural coastal Ireland [TS]

  and I'm just driving a municipal bus Wow [TS]

  and I'm making all my stops and people [TS]

  are getting on people are riding my bus [TS]

  and they're getting off and I lay in bed [TS]

  and drove this bus around Western [TS]

  Ireland for I it feels like all night oh [TS]

  my god you just clean your route let [TS]

  people get on people just just doing my [TS]

  route and and there were people that got [TS]

  on and recognized that I was a new bus [TS]

  driver mmm-hmm [TS]

  and there were some small villages where [TS]

  the road was very curvy going down a [TS]

  hill and I had to maneuver the bus [TS]

  through these narrow streets going down [TS]

  a very curvy switchback and I did that [TS]

  quite well I didn't have any snafus and [TS]

  so when I woke up this morning I had a [TS]

  you know I woke up kind of early and I [TS]

  and I had a little opportunity to go [TS]

  back to sleep for a while I call that a [TS]

  measly bonus sleep when you get a little [TS]

  bonus sleep yeah a little bit of you [TS]

  know point after the touchdown type [TS]

  situation that's how it was mm-hmm and I [TS]

  immediately started driving my bus in [TS]

  Ireland against a club back and where I [TS]

  go yeah and I just couldn't be happier [TS]

  driving this bus [TS]

  and it's just like you would think [TS]

  you're driving along it's a little bit [TS]

  overcast the oceans over there [TS]

  little little sort of stone villages [TS]

  facing the water and you pull up to the [TS]

  stop and there's a lady with her hair [TS]

  and a hankerchief carrying two plastic [TS]

  grocery bags sure and you stop and she [TS]

  gets on let her on the bus and she pays [TS]

  her fare she goes back and then I close [TS]

  the door and I and I Drive was it I mean [TS]

  it's difficult to say by me wasn't a [TS]

  pleasant feeling did you enjoy driving [TS]

  the bus it was wonderful it sounds nice [TS]

  it was really what really - no you're [TS]

  rude like it's gonna be nice you get to [TS]

  know the people a little bit starts just [TS]

  feeling feeling like you're in a groove [TS]

  that's what I'm hoping and I and I think [TS]

  that you know that it's gonna be unusual [TS]

  for them that American is driving their [TS]

  bus I think that's going to be a novelty [TS]

  once we start chatting once the word [TS]

  gets out that the new bus drivers [TS]

  American uh-huh no sure I but I'm gonna [TS]

  be fine with that I'm you know I enjoy [TS]

  that kind of attention sounds kind like [TS]

  a say or like a Bill Forsyth movie like [TS]

  a fish out of water in the UK type movie [TS]

  George on the bus driver John's the sort [TS]

  of the bus driver and I feel like I'm [TS]

  gonna get to know everybody and I'm [TS]

  gonna learn their ups and downs and you [TS]

  know they're gonna be that few people [TS]

  trust their bus driver bus drivers uh [TS]

  A's irregularities like the mailman he's [TS]

  somebody you see all the time [TS]

  he's a trusted public servant yeah right [TS]

  you put your kid on the bus you take the [TS]

  kid to school right you you feel you [TS]

  feel confident that you're that the bus [TS]

  is a safe place so uh so that's my new [TS]

  thing and I and I hope I don't this may [TS]

  be as maybe the beginning of a new [TS]

  chapter for me which part the bus [TS]

  well first dreaming about the bus that [TS]

  feels important dreaming about driving [TS]

  the bus feels very important that [TS]

  driving bus dream I mean and uh and I [TS]

  think if it if it keeps going I feel [TS]

  like you know this is the thing about [TS]

  halo jumps and high scenarios they're [TS]

  not really I'm probably never going to [TS]

  do a halo jump and I'm probably not ever [TS]

  going to [TS]

  steal a bunch of gold bars but I could I [TS]

  could drive a bus in Ireland hmm [TS]

  according to dreams which I'm [TS]

  assuming knows everything about dreams [TS]

  um you got the dream of being on a bus [TS]

  may suggest you are going along with the [TS]

  crowd not taking responsibility dreaming [TS]

  of driving the bus may suggest you are [TS]

  the leader of your group and the dream [TS]

  is providing an opportunity to examine [TS]

  your leadership skills and where you're [TS]

  taking them paying the fare may be a [TS]

  metaphor for the price you are paying [TS]

  but you're not paying for you're driving [TS]

  the bus I'm driving it and what about [TS]

  Ireland king of Ireland well I don't [TS]

  know I have Clare what is dreaming of [TS]

  Ireland signify I'm sure somebody must [TS]

  have talked about it dreaming of our [TS]

  lady there's a lot of songs called [TS]

  dreaming of Ireland yeah I know I think [TS]

  it has to be meaningful I've decided [TS]

  it's meaningful yeah I think it is I [TS]

  think it is if I mean I'm I'm always [TS]

  looking for that that thing where I find [TS]

  my duck and maybe that maybe that's it [TS]

  we might think about it it's not a halo [TS]

  jump but here's the thing is it's like [TS]

  it's in a nice somewhat past door ah [TS]

  don't be condescending but it's probably [TS]

  in a somewhat like pastoral calm setting [TS]

  it represents a what do you call it like [TS]

  it's it's a job and not only is it a job [TS]

  where you have to be there on time [TS]

  you got to be places at the job on time [TS]

  it sounds like the ultimate grind but in [TS]

  fact it's not it sounds like the soul [TS]

  wanting some kind of regularity that's [TS]

  comfortable not just a grind mm-hmm that [TS]

  man talk about a dream buddy whoa that's [TS]

  a dream if the sign says the bus got has [TS]

  to be there at 10:15 that's not a thing [TS]

  that's not a thing that's up open to [TS]

  negotiation that's like your only thing [TS]

  she got to shop impact she needs to get [TS]

  on your bus she does right and the thing [TS]

  is I think your thing about about what I [TS]

  imagine about Western Ireland is that [TS]

  nobody there is striving Yeah right [TS]

  nobody's getting on that bus because [TS]

  they're going to the local community [TS]

  college to get a degree in computer [TS]

  science because they want to move to one [TS]

  Cupertino Square [TS]

  if they are you know they're doing their [TS]

  they have some bucolic errands uh [TS]

  they've got to move seeds oh you know [TS]

  whatever God is they got turf for [TS]

  mulches probably uh-huh uh-huh Pete Pete [TS]

  old Pete Pete some somebody's got it up [TS]

  should be a bus driver name your bus [TS]

  driver illegal Pete yeah [TS]

  scratchy old cheese the morning mrs. [TS]

  Omaha [TS]