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this is hypercritical weekly talkshow
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ruminating on exactly what is wrong in
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John siracusa i'm dan benjamin and this
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this week doing pretty well that we are
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real people we do a lot of work in posts
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on these shows especially when people
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are recording our I don't even want to
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say it but when people are foolish
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enough to record with a USB headset
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microphone I mean nobody nobody would
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would do that if they were serious about
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this but apparently we're both doing
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that this time
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it'll be okay you'll see we'll do a lot
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of work in post and why am i doing it
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because my recording studio situation is
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completely up in the air and I'm
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essentially studio listened almost
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homeless so this this week we're both
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we're on the even ground this week so
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we'll see what kind of magic we can do
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in post I'm sure we'll be fine
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so how are you how are things going
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you're headed to WWDC I can't believe it
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I can't believe it
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I am I told you this before I believe
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but you don't remember neither do I
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because we're both old men but yeah I
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can't believe you're getting on an
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airplane again so you know this this
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will be the longest plane flight I've
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ever taken I'm not looking forward to it
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but I think I'll survive the lesson
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you've been to WWC before that I have
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never been this will be my first and
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probably my only trip no kidding yes I I
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had no idea Wow
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your only trip why do you say that so
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pessimistic because it's so expensive
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and you know I'm basically taking
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vacation time to do this I'm paying for
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my own tickets it's just ridiculously
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expensive all for what is for me mostly
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a fun trip not really
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work-related or you know I mean right so
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other people that you'll be able to meet
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that you haven't met before is that part
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of it as well or yeah yeah I'm sure I'll
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I'll see people who I've only talked to
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online there but I mean the main thing
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that motivated me to go was that I was
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living in mortal fear that lion would be
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released before I was able to see the
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videos that they normally release after
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WotC because seeing seeing WWC sessions
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that's essential for me writing a decent
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review because I mean if you look at
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some my old Mac os10 reviews all they
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really are is summaries of my favorite
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parts of WDC sessions you know it's a
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it's distilling content down to a
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concentrated form because you have all
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these Apple engineers who wrote the
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stuff working on their presentations for
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you know weeks and months or however
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long they do it right that they give
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their presentations and I watch all
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their presentations then I find the
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things that I thought were interesting
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and distill them further than you get
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you know a Mac os10 review so without
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that stuff I don't have much to go off
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of me and anyone can click around in the
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OS and dig around in files with me it's
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much better to have you know from the
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horse's mouth explaining what the new
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ApS are like and the motivation behind
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them and stuff like that so I I saw the
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release dates that we didn't have any
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announced releases they just said summer
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so I said boy you know lion can come out
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at any time and align the first line
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developer builds we're looking pretty
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good in terms of stability and
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everything so I'm like aw what is this
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thing going to come out at WWDC before
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WWC I have to go other what that's my
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only my only chance to get some input
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Apple engineers about this OS before I
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have to publish a review so I was kind
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of panicked about that a little bit less
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panic now because when they did that a
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announcement that said come to WEC to
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see previews of the next version of Mac
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OS 10 and iOS so when they say previews
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that makes me think the OS will not be
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released at the show like for Cranmer
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for consumers so that made me feel a
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little bit later but whatever what if
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it's released a week after the show or
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two weeks after the show maybe it'll be
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released in a window where I wouldn't
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have been able to see the videos yet
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even though Apple's really fast last
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year with the videos I think they had
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them up like two weeks after the show
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which was a record by far for their
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timeliness but I just felt like I had to
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go and I've been wanting to go for years
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and years and I've been talking with my
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wife about it I said you know someday I
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might want to go to this thing and it's
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a week long and it cost thousands of
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dollars and you know it's just really a
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fun thing for me and she said well you
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should go to one source get out of your
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system and this was the year you know
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and I knew I also knew that as soon as
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they announced the dates to the show it
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was going to be a kind of a click the
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button right now and by not I'd go home
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and talk to your wife I knew it was you
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know cos last year sold out so fast this
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year our new is going to be faster so as
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soon as that announcement came out which
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was luckily you know I was awake when it
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was announced this in Eastern Time and I
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I think I made just one either one phone
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call or I am - my wife did the confer
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confirmation I said well they've
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announced that should I do it or not and
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she just said go for it so I did got my
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ticket and I'm on my way
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this is exciting this is a big day this
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is a big day for Mac fans everywhere
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that know that you're going to be going
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out there and representing you know you
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represent Perl you represent
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five-by-five you're representing you
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know toaster ovens everywhere yeah I
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hand Ars Technica ours one wouldn't ship
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in send you know ours is sending people
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but they're gonna be the people you know
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are this actual staff and they're gonna
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be working they're gonna be reporting on
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the show I got it I gotta be honest I
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don't know I don't know the senior you
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know the bigwigs up at ours but the I
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only know about ours because of your
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reviews in it I'm not saying that they
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don't have any other value there they
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sure do but I got I became like an
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honors fan because of your 50 to 60 page
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you know Mac OS 10 reviews that were in
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yeah but they I mean I write so
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infrequently these days and it does it's
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true that a lot of people came to ours
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because of me but they're not staying
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because of me I write like two things a
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year for them and the last thing the the
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lineage torvalds of Ars Technica if you
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want to say that I don't I'm I think
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it's fair at any rate they are sending
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people who will be working the show and
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doing reporting and I will not be doing
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that and even if they had I mean I
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probably if they had offered to pay for
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like my plane ticket or something like
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that or that the just the WotC ticket or
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something in exchange for me doing some
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amount of work when I was there I would
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have had to think about it because I
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really want to go there and not have to
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think about anything except for enjoying
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the show going to the sessions and doing
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stuff for my review yeah they all say
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what I feel you can't say which is shame
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on them I would not say shame one of
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course you would not I'll be glad to see
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the people who are going out there for
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ours and I think we only go in there
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like three days and I don't think
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they're staying for that I don't think
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they even got tickets to the actual
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conference something good is going as
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press to the keynote those people will
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be working much harder than I am for
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those three days I'll just be smiling
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and enjoying and they will be you know
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typing furiously and filing reports and
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stuff like that's all I'm glad that they
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have the real professionals doing it and
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ok nice disclaimer we have some a few
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follow-up how do you know you don't know
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what we have I'm just predicting you're
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right I don't know but I predict it you
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predict correctly amazing ah yeah so a
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little bit of follow-up Twitter we
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talked a little bit about a couple shows
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ago and then the last show we talked
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about Twitter annotations which were
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this way you can attach arbitrary extra
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data to tweets out-of-band well
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apparently I didn't read the page
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closely enough I looked at it and I saw
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the date and it was like from May 2010
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and I didn't scrutinize it to see that
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they announced it in May 2010 but they
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didn't actually release it so someone
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wrote in to tell me that yeah that was a
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great presentation way back then but
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it's still not something that people can
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use but then the very
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same day I think this was a d9 or maybe
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it was someplace else Twitter actually
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did announce thing called tweet entities
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or Twitter entities which seemed like a
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reincarnation of this annotations thing
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it's just basically another way to
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attach things out-of-band to tweets and
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if you're using the REST API you have to
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ask for it explicitly blessing include
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entities and it will spit you back the
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associated entities but they're
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automatically include with the streaming
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API it's not clear from the very short
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page that I've got linked in the show
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notes about this tweet entities thing
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whether it's something that that
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everybody can use when they send a tweet
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or is it just something that Twitter
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sends back reading the page makes it
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sound like Twitter saying hey don't try
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parsing the URLs out of these tweets
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we'll send you back these entities which
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have the information it's already parsed
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out of it but does that mean the person
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who sent the tweet sent the entities
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with it or does Twitter too server-side
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parsing out the stuff using their own
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only works with official try don't I
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don't know the entire deal is but anyway
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it's clear that there's some forward
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motion in the realm of out-of-band data
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control the platform to the degree where
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like it are is it only going to be
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something that Twitter's official
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clients can use and third-party clients
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are out of luck because Twitter doesn't
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really care about them anymore you know
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every time it order make some API
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announcement now I start thinking well
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is this an API thing that is only useful
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to Twitter's official clients or are you
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actually trying to encourage more
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third-party clients you know it's weird
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for a company that's been so quickly
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trying to pull all the clients into
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itself and to take control that to also
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be making API announcements because API
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strikes me is something that's for third
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party developers you know so I'm not
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sure what's going on there and then
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related to that that came up just a
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little bit before we started recording
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was this tweet Mark Steyn did you see
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that go by I did and I was just looking
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at that but you know I haven't had a
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much time to delve into it what's the
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story on that yeah this is a mountain
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Reese who does tweet library yeah which
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is an iOS application for archive
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tweets while he's also come out with a
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thing called tweet marks which is a
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service for keeping the year last read
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status in sync between different clients
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so it's like a web service where other
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I'm assuming other Twitter clients would
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use it and they would basically use this
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as a big bucket to store how far along
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the time line they are so if you had
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three clients that I'll use tweet marks
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anytime you pulled up a client it would
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be synced to whatever you last read
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whatever your last read tweet was across
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any of the clients where you read it now
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it boggles my mind that this service is
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not part of Twitter you know as this
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seems like something like what the hell
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is what are doing if it's not providing
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this service they they provide an API to
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get tweets they know people have clients
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to read them they don't think the people
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are going to keep their clients in sync
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maybe they just think it's like well you
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know they can everyone has to run their
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own server to keep track of how far
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they're along they're on the timeline
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well this is least trying to centralize
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it a little bit where every single
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Twitter client doesn't have to do its
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own service they could all use this
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tweet marks thing yeah yeah but it does
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okay well I was just going to say the
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problem with services like this which
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are really smart I mean this is a really
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great idea this is something that's so
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definitively great is that at the same
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time that is great it seems like that
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there would be I would think that people
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would hesitate as a developer as an app
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developer type person they would
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hesitate to use it simply because they
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know that as soon as they implemented
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Twitter could change it or come out with
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their own version of the service or
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what's you know is it something you want
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to use in the mean time and hope that
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that the Twitter doesn't wind up just
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doing it or changing the architecture in
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some way well it has the advantage of
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coming from a third party so I mean
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unless you think mantains gonna screw
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you which I don't think he's gon do you
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know like Twitter can't outlaw this
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because as far as Twitter is concerned
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this is a completely separate service
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it's just like storing and retrieving a
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number for you there's nothing really
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Twitter related to it they can't they
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can't illegally or technologically stop
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it from working and as long as you trust
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me and matthan to keep the servers up
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and running you know then you're fine
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with it no matter what Twitter does even
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a Twitter introduces the exact same
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service well then you have you have
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ample time to migrate off of tweet marks
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on to whatever
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Twitter provides it's a great idea it's
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a great and it is it's like it's one of
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those perfect services that you know you
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wonder why why wouldn't Witter be doing
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this and now you don't you have to worry
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about it yeah but from a man's
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perspective I would be afraid that like
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you do all this work on this service and
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you get some people using it and then
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you know Twitter just comes out and says
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well we did that for you you can get our
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service instead and then you kind of do
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feel like you're wasted your time and
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maybe he just needs to for his own
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applications and out of the goodness of
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his heart he's opening it up yeah so I
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don't know I just just just I just
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learned of this like you know an hour
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ago so I really don't know much about it
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he's right here in Austin - that guy man
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you should get him on the show I know
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him pretty well get him live in the
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studio uh yeah I I debate about it
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because a few years ago he said that he
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would send me a firewire cable and he
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never did he never made good on it and
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he promised he would do it and now
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sorry's on your enemies list now well I
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mean there's different I don't really
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feel like I have any enemies or anything
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but he's certainly not on he doesn't
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have a star next to his name and put
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that way all right you do though you
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have a big stevarino star new gold star
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you know speaking of tweet library man's
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other thing that's that's another
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service that you feel like Twitter
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should provide like why would I need an
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application to keep archived versions
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right eats well it's because Twitter
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lets the tweets fall off the end of the
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universe after like a couple of days and
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this this came up on Twitter today when
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the Twitter CEO was his name
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and Willie and not Abe Williams and I
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mean it was it was a Dorsey who was
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talking Jack Dorsey some someone from
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Twitter some bigwig from Ford was
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talking and I believe also at d9 and I
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was reading people's tweets from his
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presentation and I think was Joshua
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Topolsky if I'm saying his name right
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yeah brought up the fact that Twitter
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search doesn't go back past five days or
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so and therefore it's almost useless and
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why where are old tweets basically was
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was his his question and I've had the
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same thoughts they like you know you you
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do all this you spend all this time
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tweeting and then you can't get to your
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old tweets unless you remember the exact
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URL or you know you use Google or some
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other thing to find them I mean such a
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way that they don't exist though it's
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it's not actually correct to say that
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they're not actually accessible though
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is because they do exist
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like an example of this is if you favor
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to tweet you can go and you'll always
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see that in your favorites up to a point
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right or does it go away did those go
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away now - I think that if you had if
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you knew like the whatever that each
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tweet has an ID if you knew the big long
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ID of a tweet that you made in 2007 and
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2008 I think you could salt the page and
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get it but the thing is if you don't
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remember the exact ID because with AK
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memorizes their tweet IDs if some tweet
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you made last year you're like what was
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that tweet that I made about you know
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car distributor caps and you know you
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mentioned distributor cap in there it's
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probably unlikely to be you know see you
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go to Twitter search you do from
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Syracuse a register beuter cap and if
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you'll find no match it's because that
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search only goes back like five or ten
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days it's just useless and so it's left
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to everybody else to sort of archive
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their own tweets so that's why this
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tweet library app exists because he was
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sick of that obviously he was sick of
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not being able to keep track of his
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tweets he didn't want a favorite every
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single tweet that he wanted to otherwise
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your favoriting every other thing you
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know sometimes you just want to be able
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to to find it later I have the exact
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experience earlier this week where
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somebody mentioned to tip about how to
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get your iOS device syncing with your
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portable like if you're going to WABC
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for example and you write you're going
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to bring your ipod but you're going to
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bring your laptop but normally you sync
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with your Mac Pro which is my case here
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he said oh someone said you can just
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copy this file over to the new computer
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and then your iOS device will sync with
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is if it has always been singing with it
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and I remember seeing that tweak go by
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and going I should like star that or
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paste it into your Jimbo or do something
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with it so I remembered I'm like I'm
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sure I'll be able to look it up when I
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so when the time came I could remember
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who was from and I couldn't remember
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what day it was on and like I'll go I
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had to go backwards through my timeline
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you know on that page where you scroll
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down with the infinite scroll on the
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Twitter website and it loads more tweets
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and they scroll down that loads more
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tweets interestingly on Safari by the
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way if you do a search term like you
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know command F and you type a search
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term and this is okay not found if you
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scroll to the bottom of the page and it
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does the infinite scroll thing and it
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loads more tweets and you try to
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reinvent it will not find that word even
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if that word just appeared on the page
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below it I'm assuming this is far e bug
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where it doesn't notice that your dom
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nodes have been added and it doesn't
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search them so you have to stop cancel
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the search just miss the little short
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search sheet bring it back up type the
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same word again and search
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again that whole process is just
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ridiculous to me
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and of course I tried the Twitter search
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looking for the keywords and either had
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fallen off the end or I couldn't find it
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as I couldn't remember who was from it's
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just my best bet for a searching quarter
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these days is to go to you know Google
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on type site : twitter.com and then the
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words I'm looking for and sometimes in
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URL : the person's username that's like
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your only hope but yeah so that this
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tweet LibraryThing is another example of
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a service that the Twitter should be
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providing by all rights but is not and
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it kind of reminds me of the things in
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Mac OS 10 and even classic Mac OS that
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you thought Apple should have been
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providing but were provided for years
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and years by third parties until Apple
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finally woke up and folded them in like
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going all the way back to like the clock
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in the menu bar Apple didn't even
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provide that that had to be a third
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party app and they said all right fine
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we'll put clocking in the new bars like
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finally geez you know how many years did
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that take or window shade for example I
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which I believe me I don't know I don't
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know who's going to correct me we don't
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have a chat room here we're not live but
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right I believe window shade was was a
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third party first I don't know I'm
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getting to window shade was a third
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party tool absolutely and then well you
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know what I think it may have been it
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may have been a feature in OS light
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eight and then it was gone and then then
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it became a third party could that oh
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yeah no it was a Mac OS 10 of course
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there was never window shade and it had
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to be third a loss without this chat
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room yeah was it my insanity but I'm
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talking about like before it appeared in
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you know how like originally yeah I
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don't remember but anyway they're been
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all sorts of features that the were
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third one of that right there is gonna
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result in like 50 emails that's all
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all right and actually I don't think
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anyone is old enough to remember that
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any better because anyone who was there
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is going to be our age and not remember
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it well and anyone else it you know
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young people going to go to Wikipedia
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and try to look it up feel free but
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anyway there's another example of a
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platform owner not implementing features
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that everyone else thinks are obvious
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and third parties I guess started
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parties get the advantage of you know
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filling that void for a period of time
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like if you're looking to archive
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tweet-tweet library is you know it's a
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chance permanent to have a business off
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of something that Twitter is not doing
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but on the other hand you're just
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waiting for that day where the platform
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owner says yeah we're folding that in
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now this sort of Damocles
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so listen I I actually found window
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shade Wikipedia entry it debuted in
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system 7.5 but disappeared in Mac OS 8
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when the features implemented as part of
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the appearance manager a widget was
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added to the title bar to reproduce the
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functionality the entire feature
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disappeared at the release of Mac OS 10
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since windows could be minimized
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to the dock or moved aside with expose
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Apple decided there was no more use for
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it however served several third-party
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utilities such as window shade 10 for
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unscented he's application enhancer
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software have brought the concept window
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shape back to the Mac OS it is since
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reappeared as a commercial hack c and
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offers other features like translucent
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windows and minimize in place it stems
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itself stems from a third party utility
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originally written for system 6.0 point
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7 by Rob Johnston there you go it's on
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Apple purchased the rights to the
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software from the developer for use in
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system 7.5 that's what I think a needy
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man just wants to get acquired by
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Twitter that's his whole thing my old
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man's memory is not entirely failing me
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yeah I actually just got off window
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shade took me a long time to get off
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that many years into is what almost
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eight nine ten years into me using Mac
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OS 10 and I finally had finally forced
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myself to give it up not because I
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didn't like it anymore but just because
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I it was the last thing on my system
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that was running a you know in-memory
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patcher thing well second to last I'm
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still running saft and Safari because
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they refused to restore the previously
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open windows when I launched it you
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could leave it with this Safari
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extension now yeah I know I I just
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prefer after a couple other reasons but
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yeah the shaft uses symbol which is a
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similar in memory patching thing but the
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window shade was the last one that I was
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using that was system-wide and I finally
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figured well if I can wean myself off of
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that then I could just remove that
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entire framework and I did it and it
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made me kind of sad I'm so glad those
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guys made that though because I don't
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know how I would have lived without it
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for all those years even now
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occasionally I click double click a
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title bar and then quietly frown as the
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window minimizes to the dock and our oh
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it's not there anymore do you are you a
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minimizer or you a hider I never
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minimize when to almost never minimize
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windows to the dock
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I used to window shade windows a lot
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sometimes just to peek behind them
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sometimes just to get them mostly
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invisible but still be able to find them
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quickly but I since I don't have window
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shade anymore yeah I will hide others or
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option-click away from a nap I still use
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classic window layering by the way I
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don't think many people still do that or
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even know what it is but that that's the
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idea that when you click on any window
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from an application all the windows of
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that application come to the front
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that's the way it used to work in
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classic Mac OS and sort of my habits are
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predicated on that ability I always have
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like one window of an application poking
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out from behind the clutter so I can
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quickly get to you know for example my
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terminal windows this is usually one
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window that is skinny and to the far
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right of the screen so I can just poke
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it's a little edge and it will come and
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it will bring not just that terminal
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window forward but all of them forward
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and I have a modifier clicking Mac os10
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lets me override that reverse D behavior
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that's volta Mac OS 10 without any
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extensions or anything is it when you
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click on a single window just a single
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window comes to the front and I can't
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work like that
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I suppose I could train myself to do it
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but I would probably slowly go insane I
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don't know you can click the dock the
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icon to make all the windows the
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application come to the forwards just
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it's just a question of habits and
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muscle memory and I'm not you know I
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have workflows man and they've been
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honed over what 20 years now it's really
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hard to to break them is is this because
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you is this because you like to because
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you don't like to command tab my command
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tab I can tab but mostly when I'm
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bouncing back and forth between two
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applications you know ABA be back and
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forth like that and if both of those
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applications dominate the screen mostly
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or if I'm mostly on the keyboard between
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the two applications I don't want to go
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over to the mouse but I do work when I
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arrange things on the screen I have I
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have arrangements of windows like I have
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a certain setup of how my terminal
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windows go and then I have a certain
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setup of how my text editor windows go
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all the text editor windows I have the
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least control over because once you get
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like 100 of those open which is not
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unheard of for me you arrange them and
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goes out the window and you're basically
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pulling from window list which isn't
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that bad but for the most applications
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like my
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I am application my terminal windows IRC
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windows and web browsers they are
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positioned on screen in their own little
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regions and have their own little growth
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patterns that I can form to so I can
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find quickly the application I want and
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hit really big targets to bring into the
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front without having to go down to the
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dock and hit the little icon or pick it
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out of the 18 other blue circles that
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are down there or I have used drag think
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2 or even just go over the drag thing
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dock and pick it out it's much faster
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for you know almost unconscious for me
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to just you know a push to the right
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middle and clicked on the corner of that
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terminal and oh that's pushing out the
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side to bring all my terminals forward
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and then quickly know where the you know
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this machine's terminal window is here
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and this machine terminal window is
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below it like it is it depends on like
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where I'm working what the machines are
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that I frequently have you know but I
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eventually get homes for things and I
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save those window sets in terminal so
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for example at work when I launch the
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terminal
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I had a keystroke that brings up my
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default set of windows and I know just
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by looking at the the size and position
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of the window that's this host that's
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that host that's the logs of this host
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that's my root window and this machine
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that's you know and it makes it so much
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easier and never have to read the title
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bars in fact all my title bars used to
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just say terminal because I would not
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rely on them to tell me where the
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windows were are rely on you know the
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position shape of the window and then
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once I go into ad I would look at my
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prompt to confirm that I'm not
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accidentally typing the wrong place oh
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yeah know how we got onto that from well
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from one's a great it's a great topic
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yeah so and and the final final bit of
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this is not really I guess this doesn't
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count as fault but we'll cut the
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follow-up here and say that's the end of
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the follow-up and okay as for topics for
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the show I've been spending all my time
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worrying about getting ready for WotC so
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this is the title of the show will be I
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got nothing because I have no prepared
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topic for the show whatsoever but that
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doesn't mean there's that doesn't mean
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there's not things to talk about and I
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have some suggestions but I'm sure you
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have some discussions too so why I'd
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like let's start with you I mean really
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I see this is very much a show driven by
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your creative intellect so I'd like to
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first hear your suggestions and and then
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I have some as a fallback if those
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should be subpar alright so just before
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we came on the air like literally just
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before I saw this announcement on daring
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fireball that brent simmons has sold net
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newswire
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yeah and that seems like a story to me
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worth talking about the only other thing
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I think to think about was you know
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obviously assuming record next week will
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be will be recording talking about what
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happened to every DC because that'll
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kind of be dominating the news I'm sure
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and even though you will talk about
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exactly the same things with Gruber and
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Marco it doesn't matter I think I'm
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going to talk about them too because I
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feel like I feel like we should
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definitely do that I feel like maybe if
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this is the unfortunate thing about the
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timing of my move and and the slow
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processes of us finding a new place to
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be because if I had my full set up I
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would say well why don't we do and I'm
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just going to tell everyone that this
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would have been possible because there's
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no way it's simply impossible now so
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I'll just tell everyone how great it
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would have been it would have been to
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get everybody together you know you
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Marco and Gruber and maybe even a fourth
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person to all uh be on the show and it
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would be a special show we just have
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some kind of special show and all just
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everybody contributing talk and argue
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and reminisce about the wonderful time
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we can't do it yeah there'll be time for
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without you yeah that'd be great nope
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Ellen recording at hopefully yeah nobody
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recording you guys all sitting together
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at you know it's some smoky bar in that
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smoke the bowels of San Francisco yeah
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but uh but for this week you I think you
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that what might happen at WotC and that
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news bar being sold and you can what are
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your suggestions
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well actually I I had seen this this
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announcement interview rather here that
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I haven't had a chance to read it
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because it's it's quite long and who
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knew that people still did interviews in
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text form like this I it's 2011 and yet
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there are still text interviews it's
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some people who type things in and this
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is you know in in the way that I
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frequently joke that your stuff is long
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and very very verbose John Gruber
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occasionally will do quite the same
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thing 5,000 words for a first single
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topic was my joke I used to have for him
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but this is this is like the most
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in-depth interview about this and it's a
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big deal it's a big deal in the Mac
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community the long shortened the tall of
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it is net newswire as you mentioned it's
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it's been acquired in in its entirety
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from black by black pixel which is run
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by Daniel Pascoe friend of mine and it's
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probably safe to say I guess I can I say
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this the black pixel are the guys I'm
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working with to develop the 5x5 app they
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interview if you're on that yeah I
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haven't gotten more than about a third
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in before we had to start the show
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so it I guess I can say it but yeah it's
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so they're they're great guys I've met
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Daniel back at a railsconf a couple
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years ago when I was speaking he came up
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to me at the end I'd never met him in
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person he's a great guy and they're
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based out of Seattle and I believe that
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Brent Simmons is also based out of
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Seattle as well so it makes sense to me
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but it's interesting because this Abnett
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newswire for me was the very very first
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RSS news reader that I ever used and I
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know it'll be in good hands with these
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guys but it's interesting because that's
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always the fear when something gets
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acquired that they're going to shut it
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down and it it sounds like there's a
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that's not the plan it sounds like this
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is very much a living breathing app and
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will continue to be so yeah they're not
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going to shut it down I can assure you
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of that
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yeah having only read half of the
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interview you know about this net net
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news of our acquisition I'm like I can
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actually in as I usually do turn this
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around and make it about me that the the
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thing about net newswire I'm I'm a long
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time net news of our user I've been
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using it since not since version one but
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buttons close to it and I very very
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quickly a convert right to net newswire
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like it changed the way I use my
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computer it changed like the ratio of
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which applications that I'm using
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at certain points I was doing the
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majority of my reading of webpages in
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the browser that was embedded in the
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news water that may still actually be
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the case I'm not sure I just lived in
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the thing and I love the synchronization
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between machines and I loves it you know
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being able to queue up stuff in tabs I
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they're not really tabs but you know you
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could open a web page in the embedded
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net newswire browser and when you went
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onto another machine and opened that
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news wire that opened web page would
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still be in there in this little side
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scrolling list of all the little things
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you had open so before Instapaper
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newswire was my read later button I
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would just you know I would go through
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my feeds using using keyboard shortcuts
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which I always thought of as the tin /rn
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keyboard shortcuts I don't know who
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listening this remembers with ten nrn
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were but they were terminal-based
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cursive you know character based I don't
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know how you would describe to laypeople
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applications they use from within the
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terminal window at a shell promptly use
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the cursors library or whatever to
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display text and they had kind of like
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command keys that were like VI where
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there was no modifier keystroke you
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would just type you know K to mark
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things as read not command K but just K
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or spacebar to go to the next unread you
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know and so on and so forth well then
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whose wire whether intentionally or not
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then we actually know if Brent was
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basing his keyboard shortcuts often in
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RM but it sure seems like he was because
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there were a lot of the same shortcuts
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so I had used you know tin is my main
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using that news reader way back in the
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day it was nice smooth transition into
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this gorgeous GUI Mac OS 10 application
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they used the exact same keystrokes and
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the other one that I loved about about
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this thing is that you could move the
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selection in that newswire between the
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panes using the arrow keys it just felt
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so natural no modifier keys so I could
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read the news you know read RSS feeds
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look at the summaries and look at the
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articles and queue them up for later
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reading all from the keyboard all the
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simple single keystrokes you know it was
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just without having to touch the mouse
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and with the great experience overall so
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that totally changed the way I do things
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and I still you know I mean if you look
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at my doc right now in Andrews wire is
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running it is running and every machine
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that I use and I've just been using it
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for years but the thing about it is that
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well first of all I get frustrated when
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an application that rely upon doesn't
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get updated as frequently as I want
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Brent talks about the struggles he's had
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having you know too many irons in the
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fire at the same time the iOS version
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the iPad version revising the Mac
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version it was just becoming too much to
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do all that and in fact even before that
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when brent was just trying to know what
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newswire from mac himself just a support
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load alone of having this tremendously
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popular application was overwhelming him
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and that's why he went over to news
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Gator and got acquired by them and just
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to get some help on the application
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right and so there was you know that
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helps get get a speed under a little bit
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but then when the Iowas came out that
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just you know spread him even thinner
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now going around going back in time for
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a second you're talking about that news
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gator acquisition i interviewed him
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about that years ago when it happened on
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my one of my first podcasts which was
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called the hive illogic radio show he
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was nice enough to come on that and and
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talk to me about it and it was really
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interesting because at that time I mean
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he that he there was really not much
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competition in that space as far as RSS
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news reading it wasn't built into Safari
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right there weren't really many
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competitors if you wanted an RSS reader
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on the Mac that was it I think it still
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is it I mean I know there are
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alternative applications but like I
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remember that error that they already
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did that interview which I think
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actually listened to net newswire was
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the most popular news reader in the
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world not the most popular news reader
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on the Macintosh in the world and that
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was at a time when when the world was
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like 95 96 percent Windows computers
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instead of whatever it is nine and he
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you know it was just an unbelievably
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successful application and I still think
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it with all the Mac news readers that
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are out there that news wire is at least
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the best suited to my needs for news
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reading and you know the fact that
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Safari does RSS reading I don't think
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that is a factor at all in the success
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or failure in news wire but on the iOS I
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would say that net newswire is Iowa's
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versions are not the dominant news
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reader to that platform there are a lot
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of really good news readers for iOS and
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the competition is much stiffer there
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than it is in the Mac I don't know that
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should because the popularity of iOS or
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the gold rush was just you know that's
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where the the great developers are these
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days but of course Brent's there with
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his versions as well but more recently
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if you read about an interview that
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pulled out the guts of all his
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newsreaders or not pulled out the guts
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left the guts alone and made a new core
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code base for all of his news readers
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and he released that news wire for light
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I believe is the name of the product
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which is the first product built on this
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new unified code base for the underlying
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stuff for you know getting feeds and
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managing threads and processing XML and
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all that stuff and then he was you know
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an interview he talks about how he was
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looking at how much work it would be
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even though he's finally got this
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unified code base how much work it would
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be to rebuild his existing applications
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on top of this new code base now the
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thing about net newswire for light is
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that it does much much less than the
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current version of net newswire for the
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Mac that I'm using which is three points
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something-or-other
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which is fine because it's got light in
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the name right but the my big fear was
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that the new version of net newswire for
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the Mac based on this unified codebase
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will also do much less than the current
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version of the newswire simply because
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Brent was always trying to trim features
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that either don't get used anymore or
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are too much of a pain to maintain you
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know it's a cost benefit trade-off where
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you want to get like the the features
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that 80% of the people use you know 80%
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of the time and then everything else
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gets cut because you don't want to spend
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time and energy maintaining a feature
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that only some tiny fraction or
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user-based used but if you're in that
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tiny fraction of the user base which I
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most decidedly am for a wide range of
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applications including that newswire I
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was afraid that the application that I
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came to know was going to be not not
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dumbed down because that makes it sound
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like is something you know it's it's not
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good to have it better to have more
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features and it's not good to be
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simplified it usually is better to be
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simplified but I was afraid that it was
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going to move farther away from my
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specific tastes and needs as it moved
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more towards the mainstream you know
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what I mean and that's that's a
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something that's happened a lot in iOS
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where iOS encourages you to simplify
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because if more people will be
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successful with your application but
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right as a your quote-unquote power user
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from you know to use that term from the
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80s and 90s I like the one that had all
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the bells and whistles or more
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specifically I want my specific bells
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whole reason I use this application how
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can you remove it well if you're the
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only one of you know 0.02 percent of the
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feature the developer should cut it and
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you're just out of luck but it's sad for
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afraid that my my net newswire my
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change in ways that what I would find
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upsetting and I'd be like Waldo had to
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find another news reader that I like now
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can I adapt to this new way using the
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news bar it's just it's stressful and
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upsetting mmm the best applications that
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best applications that do this like I
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formula is but when I think about what
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long time that have evolved in ways that
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change from what it was you know in like
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1992 or whatever but at every point
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along the way they've cut deprecated
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features slowly giving you replacements
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for features and just slowly like herded
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the user base along even as they just
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mercilessly removed code remove co2 move
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accelerating lately and at some points
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for the most part they have managed that
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transition with this long gradual slope
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of of deprecation and replacement that I
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bad for me to say because I'm not a not
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an expert user of this application by a
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longshot but I have been using it for
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you know since version 1 point out is
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Photoshop Photoshop has you
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it's very different today than it was
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and you know very I know whatever right
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introduction of layers in 3.0 I think it
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a new version it's not a radical deep
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over the Nexus like we're refining we're
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adding tools we're kit were
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consolidating we're refining refining
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refining and when you have a
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professional tool like that that's the
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way you want to do it so that at no
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point do graphic designers say load up a
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new version of Photoshop and say I can't
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find anything I have no idea how this
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works now you know designers and anyone
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whose uses a program every day for years
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will get pissed when like they change
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the keyboard shortcut for you know the
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command H does something that it
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shouldn't anymore like it'll little
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things were perturbed them but for the
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most part it's not like they had to
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relearn a new application so that those
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are two examples of applications I think
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have evolved in a careful cautious
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manner but that's not always easy to do
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like every feature that you wish you
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could get rid of you have to support for
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longer than you think you should just so
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you you bring everybody along with you
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right and the final example give this is
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a this will be a good test to see if you
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can do it the other way successfully in
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a big application is Final Cut Pro 10
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which does look like a pretty darn
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radical reinvention of the way people
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who use Final Cut do their work it's
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it's akin to the kind of the the 2.5 to
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3 point no conversion Photoshop where
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they said you know channels are out and
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layers are in and here's this new layer
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palette and in both cases I think after
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people get over the initial shock like
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of layers they said well you know I'm
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used to having 10 million little
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Photoshop windows open and doing my
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chops my channel operations but I tried
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this layer thing for a week and you know
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what it's better and you know period end
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of story you know yes it was a big
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radical change but layers are good I
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think the the graphic design community
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pretty much agreed Photoshop plus layers
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equals good and got over their problem
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now Final Cut Pro 10 is it good enough
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is it better enough than the previous
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version of Final Cut so that the the big
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bump in the road for people smoothness
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of using their you know final cut on
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their color coded keyboards with the
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keyboard commands exactly the same and
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you know they know exactly how to use
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Final Cut Pro the current version that
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is ten comes along everything's moved in
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different places and maybe they change
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keyboard commands everything works
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definitely the timeline is different
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like is that going to be better enough
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that people's cranking this over the
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change in the UI
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we'll be overcome I think it will be
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view I think from the little demo and
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again speaking as someone who does not
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edit video for a living what the hell do
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I know but from the demo that they gave
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which was an amazingly good demo and
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from the tiny bit of video editing that
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I have done I can say that Final Cut Pro
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10 looks like the advantages of working
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in this new way will quickly overwhelm
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the disadvantages modulo the stability
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question reliability question so-and-so
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is always in there like if if the
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program crashes more if I can't read
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your old files are all sorts of
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practical concerns assuming they get all
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the practical things right and the only
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real problem is adapting to this new UI
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and workflow I think it will work so
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getting all way back to the newswire
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finally my hope for the acquisition not
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that anyone cares what the hell my help
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is but my hope as much as that counts
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for anybody involved in this is that
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this means that net newswire the next
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version of that newswire will still have
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all the features that I like you know
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will still will will nestled into my
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workflow nicely maybe there'll be a few
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things I want to adapt to but it will
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still be like that power users tool you
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know the way I use it or at least the
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three features that I want to stay there
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will still be there and and you know the
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only other thing I would say is that I
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think in acquisition if the people who
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acquired have more time to work on it
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that Brent did that can only be good
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yeah that definitely would be a good
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thing because that means that no matter
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what their choices are
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it means shorter time between versions
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and if I don't like something I won't
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have to wait three years to see if it
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gets revised you know so I'm mostly
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optimistic about the acquisition and I'm
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very interested to know what Brent is
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doing next which we ever do actually no
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I actually do know did you probably know
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about the dock addition to it didn't you
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I knew a little bit about it I didn't
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know as much as his apparently revealed
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in the staring fireball write-up
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interview the ten thousand page
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interview but I did know some things but
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I certainly do know what Brent is up to
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next and I can tell you that I like it
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but I can't speak about well I'm looking
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forward to it because at anytime you
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know there's a few in my pantheon of
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developers is a few little places and
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like you know the the Mount Olympus of
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developers and up on there are basically
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the developers
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of applications that I've used like for
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my entire life that I feel like are part
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of my computing life right right right
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and and the people up there like you
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know Brent Simmons with a newswire rich
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seagull with BBEdit
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you know the Bruce horn with the finder
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and who is it but Larry Steve Bruce and
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John for the original finder Leo I are
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you getting a Photoshop to John Knoll
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who is who was the original Photoshop
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guy I don't know you don't know awesome
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anyway but yet brent is up there with
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them and that's all text you can make
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one application that I use for years and
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years and years and can't live without
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you get a spot on my personal mantle is
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Olympus a software developer so whatever
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he does next I look forward to it and
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and even if it's not an application that
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I use for years and years I wish them
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the best of luck with it well that about
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does it for this week's show you can
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