The Incomparable

171: Pirate Politics (A Winter Reading List)


  the Intolerable number 171 November 2030 [TS]

  welcome back everybody to be [TS]

  uncomfortable i'm your host Jason snail [TS]

  and we're back with a sequel to episode [TS]

  99 if you consult your uncomfortable [TS]

  reference materials that I you no doubt [TS]

  bring out before you listen to every [TS]

  episode to tally how many times I [TS]

  comment about how many books Scott multi [TS]

  reads or how many references to david [TS]

  Flores the next day and more'n or you [TS]

  know you i can't really expect anybody [TS]

  to count the number of times we talk [TS]

  about Glendinning because that's like [TS]

  nearly an infinite number if my math is [TS]

  correct but anyway you'll discover that [TS]

  episode 99 with something we call the [TS]

  summer reading list which was not really [TS]

  a draft so much as just a an opportunity [TS]

  for us to pick books that we like that [TS]

  we wanted to recommend that everybody [TS]

  out there might want to read we got a [TS]

  lot of feedback from people saying hey [TS]

  I'm looking for a good book to read you [TS]

  got any suggestions and so we're doing [TS]

  it again and so that was the summer [TS]

  reading list I guess this is the winter [TS]

  reading list although there's no theme [TS]

  intended here other than books we like [TS]

  and by the time we're done you should [TS]

  have more than a dozen books that you [TS]

  cannot consider to put on your own [TS]

  reading list or if you want if you're [TS]

  expecting gifts this holiday season [TS]

  put on your gift list and have a and [TS]

  have your loved ones buy them for you [TS]

  so everybody's going to pick some books [TS]

  they like and talk about them a little [TS]

  bit and that's the whole show [TS]

  let me introduce these people who are [TS]

  who have read at least three books to [TS]

  comprise a list [TS]

  David lore as i mentioned before he's on [TS]

  almost every podcast but dan morons not [TS]

  on hi David [TS]

  hello I'm still talking about the Glen [TS]

  innings and in my cleaning ledger two [TS]

  separate book actually witches it's a [TS]

  cookbook [TS]

  it's a cookbook doesn't count against [TS]

  your 30 it's not a very good read no i'm [TS]

  not i wouldn't recommend not Glenn [TS]

  fleischmann a4 mentioned is here hi [TS]

  Kline hello [TS]

  I shall mention no German novels this [TS]

  evening it's too bad the sorrows young [TS]

  birther is actually not that not that [TS]

  bad but next Island fun [TS]

  that's right ya next time Lisa [TS]

  Schmeisser is also here [TS]

  hi Lisa hi good to have you here thank [TS]

  you it's nice to be here [TS]

  Erica and sign is back with us again hi [TS]

  Erica [TS]

  hello nice to be back yes excellent and [TS]

  Scott McNulty of course the ringer he's [TS]

  read all the books you can pick any [TS]

  look and welcome Scott winter is coming [TS]

  Jason yeah that's right and you need [TS]

  books you need books to burn for warm as [TS]

  you need them [TS]

  so is this why you read the george RR [TS]

  martin is it last longer in a blizzard [TS]

  yeah exactly you can enjoy a page it [TS]

  before you burn it [TS]

  yeah that's right i have a cottage built [TS]

  entirely of Stephen King novels for that [TS]

  reason Jim la creepiest cottage is not [TS]

  of stephen king himself so because I I [TS]

  just can't resist the the draft format [TS]

  we will least pick in some sort of order [TS]

  and I've asked my panelists not to pick [TS]

  any of the books that were in episode 99 [TS]

  because we don't want to be the kind of [TS]

  friends who keep recommending the same [TS]

  books to you over and over again that [TS]

  gets boring so we're going to be we're [TS]

  gonna do things a little differently and [TS]

  i'm going to start with Lisa Schmeisser [TS]

  what do you--what do you have with your [TS]

  first recommendation my first [TS]

  recommendation is Christopher Moore's [TS]

  the last lizard of melancholy cove I've [TS]

  never heard of this really is a whole [TS]

  Israel are you getting on it is a beta [TS]

  book now the less lizard of melancholy [TS]

  Cove is probably the best entry to his [TS]

  increasing body of work [TS]

  christopher moore is an author based out [TS]

  of central to Northern California who [TS]

  may be known in less fantasy and sci-fi [TS]

  circles for his book lamb the gospel of [TS]

  biff christ's childhood pal and i highly [TS]

  recommend land but in order to figure [TS]

  out whether or not you like Chris more [TS]

  as a whole [TS]

  you should read the last lizard of [TS]

  melancholy co-first it's about an [TS]

  ancient sea creature which gets aroused [TS]

  by a leak at a local nuclear plant [TS]

  somehow stumbled into a trailer park [TS]

  assumes protective coloration and in [TS]

  order to lure his prey he sends out [TS]

  vibes that somehow managed to readjust [TS]

  everybody's mental health problems and [TS]

  libido and gradually the residents of [TS]

  the town which include a psychiatrist [TS]

  who's watching her clientele drop off a [TS]

  pothead sheriff and X scream queen who [TS]

  is also a paranoid schizophrenic [TS]

  and a wildlife naturalist team up to [TS]

  figure out what's going on and get this [TS]

  in and get the big monster back in the [TS]

  ocean it's SuperDuper funny humane and [TS]

  compassionate and once you read that you [TS]

  can then move on to things like oh gosh [TS]

  bite me which is about vampires living [TS]

  in San Francisco you can then move onto [TS]

  the island of the sequence love none [TS]

  which is about an organ running [TS]

  operations somewhere in the southeast [TS]

  and it all culminates in creating his [TS]

  heartwarming classic about Christmas [TS]

  zombies called the stupidest angel [TS]

  anyway i highly recommend the less [TS]

  lizard of melancholy code it's a nice [TS]

  fast read it's light but still touches [TS]

  on themes like how people handle career [TS]

  disappointments are compromised [TS]

  how do you know that the endless [TS]

  optimism of trying to reinvent yourself [TS]

  and of course what you do when a giant [TS]

  lost lizard falls in love with a crazy [TS]

  woman who once played on Kendra warrior [TS]

  princess of the outback wow wow that's [TS]

  so that's a really serious button-down [TS]

  kinda low yeah only serious people read [TS]

  those books but the fact that I gotta [TS]

  say island of the sequence love none was [TS]

  my my entry [TS]

  yeah to his books I mean way way back [TS]

  and it was like first out because I [TS]

  literally saw the title i didn't even [TS]

  look at the back of the book I went mine [TS]

  yes Tucker the pirate oh my gosh better [TS]

  and sleep [TS]

  yeah you find out what happens to tuck [TS]

  her in CP in the stupid Christmas like I [TS]

  have them all lined up here [TS]

  oh yeah oh yeah you're gonna like one of [TS]

  my later pics yeah oh oh oh my gosh yeah [TS]

  another one who I almost went for full [TS]

  because i really loved his take on [TS]

  leader and I see I wanted to write that [TS]

  as a play and that came out like a month [TS]

  later is acceptable board so good to its [TS]

  it is it the Chris but Kristen Moore's a [TS]

  lot like terry pratchett who are poor [TS]

  showing in that as he's gotten older [TS]

  he's tackled more serious themes and has [TS]

  been less a friend has been you know he [TS]

  still brings the funny but he's also not [TS]

  afraid to to pull at your heartstrings [TS]

  and and talk about the universal Church [TS]

  is a human life and and full is is [TS]

  probably at the top of the genre for [TS]

  that but I really think that if you want [TS]

  start with early [TS]

  the first book is practical demon [TS]

  keeping which gives you a taste to him [TS]

  but I really don't think he came into [TS]

  his own until less sensitive of [TS]

  melancholy cove yeah and so I would read [TS]

  that and then if you want then go back [TS]

  and backtracked a practical demon [TS]

  keeping which ex is kind of a prequel [TS]

  and then you read that the vampire [TS]

  series which is bite me and you stock [TS]

  and that are some and then there's the [TS]

  one he does about the Angel of Death [TS]

  taking over San Francisco for a little [TS]

  bit and I can't remember that one of the [TS]

  top of my head and and then of course [TS]

  there's lamb which I read almost every [TS]

  year around Easter so I feel like this [TS]

  guy is like a boat uh-oh of a I don't [TS]

  know byline vampire or something where I [TS]

  like I can't see him [TS]

  i I just it's it's weird I feel like [TS]

  I've I should have heard of him and [TS]

  maybe I have but it certainly didn't [TS]

  stick so that's cool that's a great one [TS]

  I love it when I'm completely taken by [TS]

  surprise by a choice so when Scott pics [TS]

  a book about Hitler later they are all [TS]

  about Hitler [TS]

  yeah well and I won't be surprised and [TS]

  so i won't be impressed got all right so [TS]

  that's great [TS]

  Lisa thank you very much let's move on [TS]

  to David Lord David what's your [TS]

  selection [TS]

  well for my first pic I'm gonna kind of [TS]

  cheap because i have an omnibus book [TS]

  with the trilogy and it [TS]

  oh yeah okay whatever it's fine [TS]

  the rules are not first off Steve lesson [TS]

  here and i bedeviled him with rules and [TS]

  second we're just trying to do good here [TS]

  if someone here pick it up as an omnibus [TS]

  it's all the more convenient right it's [TS]

  not so much the honors several books he [TS]

  took the covers off and glued together [TS]

  that's pretty that's a yes I'm gonna [TS]

  support this one hundred percent [TS]

  foreshadowing oh dear ok what is what is [TS]

  happening already [TS]

  Scott is a very well-behaved orderly [TS]

  what some might say person is true also [TS]

  doing it his books about Hitler wind-up [TS]

  orderly life I David you were going to [TS]

  pick the trilogy a trilogy called the [TS]

  deptford trilogy by Robertson Davies [TS]

  is a Canadian novelist and I mean he was [TS]

  basically lived through the entire 20th [TS]

  century passed away just around the turn [TS]

  of the century this year this bet the [TS]

  century but even even that a lot of [TS]

  people have considered him like the [TS]

  Canadian Dickens because he he writes [TS]

  these you just immensely detailed [TS]

  stories of life in Canada throughout the [TS]

  century and this one is kind of an [TS]

  amazing trilogy it's not even that the [TS]

  first one that I got into but it's [TS]

  probably his best the first part of it [TS]

  is called fifth business and it's about [TS]

  these two men who grow up in that like [TS]

  the beginning of the 20th century the [TS]

  end of the 19th century and one of them [TS]

  is sort of a scholarly gentleman the [TS]

  other one is the son of a politician he [TS]

  grows up to be a big businessman he's a [TS]

  nasty piece of work and as children the [TS]

  son of the politician packs a rock into [TS]

  a snowball and tries to throw it at the [TS]

  academic kid who ducks and it hits a [TS]

  pregnant woman and causes her to go into [TS]

  labor and all three books spin out of [TS]

  that single incident which is kind of [TS]

  amazing [TS]

  so the first book is about the academic [TS]

  growing up and sort of him watching how [TS]

  the other kid is just evil and nasty and [TS]

  manages to become this big businessman [TS]

  the second book is from the point of [TS]

  view of the son of the businessman going [TS]

  through therapy trying to understand his [TS]

  father and understand what his father [TS]

  did [TS]

  that's called the manticore and then the [TS]

  last book is called world of wonders and [TS]

  it's about the kid who was born as a [TS]

  result of the early labor [TS]

  he became a hobo for a while and then [TS]

  turns into a world-renowned magician and [TS]

  sort of manages to get his revenge in [TS]

  the end it's amazing and just the [TS]

  thought that all of these bizarre [TS]

  wonderful stories spin out of [TS]

  a kid throwing a snowball just blew my [TS]

  mind when i read it was canada but it's [TS]

  kinda yeah [TS]

  happens all the time so snowballs are [TS]

  available so so lots of beer and bacon [TS]

  and everyone says hey it's wonderful i [TS]

  was I will second to this argumentation [TS]

  huh i have read all of mr. Davies novels [TS]

  and they are fantastic I oddly enough i [TS]

  read them because Moxie previous [TS]

  canadian band song called my baby loves [TS]

  a bunch of authors which mentions [TS]

  Robertson Davies that maybe look up [TS]

  Robertson Davies and then I read all his [TS]

  books thanks mark service that's [TS]

  fantastic i have to say i mean as much [TS]

  as I love this this is actually the [TS]

  better written trilogy i prefer the [TS]

  Cornish trilogy which came much later [TS]

  he's he sort of goes exponentially [TS]

  bazaar in that one so I i like that but [TS]

  this is a very tight really nicely done [TS]

  piece of work so alright so we have a [TS]

  canadian author and Scott just mentioned [TS]

  the canadian band [TS]

  let's move on to our panelists was [TS]

  married to a Canadian Erica what is your [TS]

  selection it is a Canadian it's actually [TS]

  i don't think it is i'm not really sure [TS]

  i don't know a whole lot about this [TS]

  author but my first book is a book [TS]

  called monument by a fellow named Lloyd [TS]

  bagel junior which is was published in [TS]

  1974 very old science fiction book and I [TS]

  know you said that we didn't have to [TS]

  have a winter theme but i actually do [TS]

  refer to this book as either my winter [TS]

  book or my bathtub book because i read [TS]

  it every single winter in the bathtub [TS]

  and it's not actually about winter at [TS]

  all it's about a planet that is [TS]

  completely a paradise [TS]

  it'sit's almost entirely water it's [TS]

  totally tropical there are wonderful [TS]

  things to eat the temperature is always [TS]

  perfect there sandy beaches and it's [TS]

  lovely and it's just kind of a nice [TS]

  place to escape to for me in the winter [TS]

  well I'm gonna warm bath it's freezing [TS]

  cold outside I think after i moved to [TS]

  Edmonton i'll be reading it twice every [TS]

  year but anyway so it takes place far [TS]

  far in the future when at a time when [TS]

  interstellar travel is kinda no big deal [TS]

  humans have come [TS]

  analyzed all over the galaxy and a [TS]

  fellow named Serrano Brian crash-lands [TS]

  his spaceship on this paradise planet [TS]

  and he eventually realizes that he needs [TS]

  to protect it because eventually some [TS]

  big terrible nasty corporation is going [TS]

  to come in and try to take over and and [TS]

  ruin what these lovely natives on this [TS]

  planet have everything is just in [TS]

  perfect balance and he doesn't want that [TS]

  to get thrown off so he comes up with a [TS]

  plan and that's plan with a capital P [TS]

  and i'm not going to say any more about [TS]

  it than that because i actually want [TS]

  people to read it and it's one of those [TS]

  books that just unfolds really nicely i [TS]

  didn't see the end coming maybe you will [TS]

  I'm not very good at that sort of thing [TS]

  so but anyway sort of hilarity ensues [TS]

  along with a healthy dose of mystery [TS]

  confusion frustration hopelessness it [TS]

  kind of runs the gamut goes up and down [TS]

  it's it's a very quick read [TS]

  it's very simple it's just kind of a [TS]

  classic like pulpy sci-fi type story and [TS]

  apparently is based on a short story [TS]

  didn't know that until i looked it up [TS]

  today to prep for this but it is one of [TS]

  my all-time favorite books i just love [TS]

  love love it [TS]

  wow ok so approving that I am a complete [TS]

  in great i have not heard of any of the [TS]

  books that you guys have talked about [TS]

  you [TS]

  that's great that's the whole point of [TS]

  the podcast your know it is it's great [TS]

  it is it's due to help out in greats [TS]

  like me [TS]

  okay okay so-so get break already brace [TS]

  yourselves because I can only imagine [TS]

  things are going to get even more [TS]

  impressive now when Scott McNulty makes [TS]

  his selection so Scott so no prejudice [TS]

  this book is about a young boy was born [TS]

  in Austria destined for great know [TS]

  it is not about Hitler it is a black car [TS]

  I'm gonna pick up a book just came out [TS]

  this year and it's a debut novel called [TS]

  ancillary justice by Ann Leckie I guess [TS]

  that's how I don't have scissors as last [TS]

  name but that's how I said so there you [TS]

  go [TS]

  so it's a space opera it reminded me [TS]

  very much of tnm banks who is dead so we [TS]

  won't be needing any more of his books I [TS]

  will [TS]

  well that's true because i haven't read [TS]

  one of the two of them so we won't [TS]

  really get a new is we will be producing [TS]

  anything [TS]

  fair enough and its first set of the [TS]

  space opera it focuses on this one [TS]

  character called brick who is actually [TS]

  in in this universe there are these [TS]

  artificial intelligences that run ships [TS]

  which sounds very familiar true the [TS]

  culture except that which is the en banc [TS]

  sitting accept these ships all carry on [TS]

  ancillary fees which are conquered [TS]

  beings that this race conquerors and [TS]

  freezes and then uses their bodies to [TS]

  become an extension of the ship's AI so [TS]

  every ship has thousands upon thousands [TS]

  of frozen corpses and it's hold so we [TS]

  can send them off and use them as kind [TS]

  of like droids and you know it'll go to [TS]

  the the different parts of the ship and [TS]

  perform different functions so each of [TS]

  the ai's breaks up its consciousness [TS]

  into thousands of different parts and [TS]

  they all act interact and act [TS]

  independently and they can all share [TS]

  their visions and so this is one of [TS]

  these ancillary that's broken off and [TS]

  you don't really know why it's by itself [TS]

  and its kind of trying to it has a [TS]

  mission in mind it's going after the [TS]

  leader of this culture this race is [TS]

  called the radish and the leader is a [TS]

  person who has broken that their [TS]

  consciousness over thousands of [TS]

  different bodies so they are on each of [TS]

  the conquered planets that they haven't [TS]

  have different palaces that they inhabit [TS]

  so it's a fascinating book and this this [TS]

  race its language has no concept of [TS]

  gender and so there are lots of [TS]

  different races they the character [TS]

  interacts with but aight this [TS]

  person can't really Express gender so [TS]

  you never know what the gender of the [TS]

  character that they're talking about is [TS]

  until another character addresses them [TS]

  so it's very it's a very interesting [TS]

  read and it's coming at a space opera in [TS]

  a different way than I've ever [TS]

  experienced before so check it out [TS]

  I've heard of that one only because I i [TS]

  think the author or wrote a blog post [TS]

  about the the challenge of of [TS]

  understanding artificial intelligence [TS]

  from the perspective of that which is [TS]

  like multiple bodies and and and the [TS]

  challenge of portraying that I i just i [TS]

  read that a few weeks ago so that's very [TS]

  cool [TS]

  you should read the book i will i will [TS]

  i'll do that it's the Scot MacDonald [TS]

  guarantee it exists you guarantee that i [TS]

  should read it after that is my problem [TS]

  I glad it's your turn what I know i read [TS]

  a book I this book was actually [TS]

  recommended to me by someone who I feel [TS]

  terrible because they said oh if you [TS]

  like these books like I think in one [TS]

  episode was talking about Shiva 3000 [TS]

  bhai jaan Lars jensen and celestial [TS]

  matters by Richard Garfinkel which I [TS]

  could talk about a little bit later to [TS]

  his good books but i think i mentioned [TS]

  those another episode and they said well [TS]

  if you like that you should read Lord of [TS]

  Light by Rogers allows mean I said [TS]

  that's funny I have never read any [TS]

  Rogers lastly which makes me a terrible [TS]

  terrible science-fiction fan I because [TS]

  it does I because you should basically [TS]

  have read I think Henry others are [TS]

  really laughs I'm just i'll leave now so [TS]

  this podcast is over [TS]

  that's right and uh I have a feeling [TS]

  that when i was younger i try to read [TS]

  something and it was impenetrable I just [TS]

  never came back with all that guy's one [TS]

  of those you know robert silverberg [TS]

  people or something and oh and so I so I [TS]

  picked this up again from the library [TS]

  and it is completely fantastic and [TS]

  amazing and it's was written the year i [TS]

  was born won the hugo that year was a [TS]

  finalist for the nebula and for best [TS]

  novel and was kind of sounds like the [TS]

  basis of his career and I can see why [TS]

  like that was the year he broke out any [TS]

  word a bazillion books after that but [TS]

  never revisited this universe so if you [TS]

  read it you have to content yourself at [TS]

  some level with the fact that [TS]

  this is it like he went here once and it [TS]

  was great and then he moved on to other [TS]

  things so the the premise is always [TS]

  written a year before birth rate 1967 [TS]

  one the next year for these words so the [TS]

  premise is like those other books i [TS]

  mentioned where I can I was kind of [TS]

  enjoying the idea of looking at science [TS]

  fiction through the lens of other [TS]

  pathologies and so celestial matters for [TS]

  instance it's the Greek and chinese and [TS]

  so forth like every cultures philosophy [TS]

  about how the world works pretty our [TS]

  prior to Imperial empirical science is [TS]

  actually literally true which is kind of [TS]

  cool so in Lord of Light it's not quite [TS]

  like that but it's appears to be a [TS]

  planet in which a new gods are walking [TS]

  around there's tons of them they seem to [TS]

  have powers and as the book goes on i [TS]

  feel like i shouldn't give away too much [TS]

  because it's great revelation about you [TS]

  he unclear lolz layer and layer and [TS]

  layer away until you actually understand [TS]

  quite how hard a sci-fi novel this is [TS]

  compared to what you think it is when [TS]

  you start and I think it must have been [TS]

  an era when there was a really was a big [TS]

  wall between fantasy and sci-fi and I [TS]

  feel like this is partly an attempt to [TS]

  not pierce the wall but there's a little [TS]

  bit but sort of weave in some of the [TS]

  things that are best about myth-making [TS]

  and fantasy into the rocketship you know [TS]

  super advanced science world and quite [TS]

  quite lovely i'm so there are things [TS]

  that are sort of very fantasy yes even [TS]

  in the middle of hard science and vice [TS]

  versa so yeah I guess I don't want it is [TS]

  something I want to tell so much [TS]

  there's two cool things about it i found [TS]

  out just looking up the details one is [TS]

  that george RR martin has an anecdote [TS]

  about it so we gotta bring him and he [TS]

  said apparently that last he told him [TS]

  that he had a single pun in his head [TS]

  that makes you think of the entire novel [TS]

  The Punisher subscribe not gonna tell it [TS]

  the other is that they were going to [TS]

  make a huge huge super expensive motion [TS]

  picture of this film [TS]

  yeah in in right in the early nineties [TS]

  people see the movie notice and then [TS]

  Jack's army drew all over me right crazy [TS]

  schedules and all that and it generally [TS]

  this amazing they didn't get made and it [TS]

  what is the right man that was the basis [TS]

  they use this material CIA used it as [TS]

  the cover for Argyle trading right Argo [TS]

  Argo is drive directly from the Lord of [TS]

  language p why wasnt percent but it's um [TS]

  so the reason I liked it so much though [TS]

  is it's it's a very clever in its own [TS]

  way but it's not too smart for its own [TS]

  good like there's a lot of history [TS]

  Buddhism science fiction all crammed [TS]

  into the thing but it's beautiful to [TS]

  read and it's interesting and characters [TS]

  are richly painted and his betrayal and [TS]

  it's just you feel like he's packed 17 [TS]

  books and one but it doesn't feel [TS]

  overwritten it's just he packs the [TS]

  passage of time in there really terrific [TS]

  Lee and I guess the other part is that [TS]

  it's hard to find a novel quite like [TS]

  this i don't remember reading anything [TS]

  else that really felt like this book to [TS]

  me where the the way in which the [TS]

  characters interact with each other I [TS]

  the closest thing is now 105 anybody a [TS]

  dance Simmons van or Danson's non-fan [TS]

  foreshadowing so so there's a book not [TS]

  the Hyperion cycle i read his other [TS]

  cycle which is called ileum and ol [TS]

  impose [TS]

  yep i'm so glad i didn't choose those ok [TS]

  I'm not today but I'm not gonna bring [TS]

  that but I've read them both and i have [TS]

  we can talk about the rest of the memory [TS]

  of a person but I'm from there are [TS]

  aspects that if the Hansen's must have [TS]

  read Lord of Light he must have features [TS]

  there are aspects that are extensions of [TS]

  parallels of it and that's not to say [TS]

  the ilium in the Olympics were not [TS]

  original works but but you can feel it [TS]

  so if you've read those books you have [TS]

  to go read this and you just read it [TS]

  anyway what I'm just wondering if I [TS]

  should go back and read i hated Lord of [TS]

  Light really do it he reportedly well if [TS]

  they didn't have to love you want to [TS]

  love things I love to do that but I i [TS]

  like i like the den Simmons books and I [TS]

  read Lord of Light when I was young and [TS]

  stupid so I'm wondering if maybe i [TS]

  should just revisit it but this is my [TS]

  thing i think i read little as me when I [TS]

  was like 12 or 13 and I was reading [TS]

  azimoff I was really azimoff i say this [TS]

  car horrible tone is up yeah you know [TS]

  that guy as my fully wrote seven hundred [TS]

  thousand books [TS]

  actually I made him picked it picked an [TS]

  episode 99 but yeah that's true i wanted [TS]

  to pick the Foundation series again I do [TS]

  yeah so you're always reading a small [TS]

  that is the last day compared to azimoff [TS]

  way to Z not intentional you'd say like [TS]

  wow this guy doesn't know what he's [TS]

  doing it so forward and what the hell [TS]

  you don't know anything and now 30-plus [TS]

  years later like I have an understanding [TS]

  of mythology [TS]

  I like the incredible rich layer [TS]

  delusion that would have been [TS]

  meaningless to me so I don't know I i [TS]

  think i would not identify like i don't [TS]

  think i read this one but i bet i read [TS]

  the last me back then because I'm shot [TS]

  away from you probably read the amber [TS]

  chronicles remember that's what I was [TS]

  yeah that was his most popular stop by [TS]

  far i started with that and then went on [TS]

  to Lord of Light was like oh this was [TS]

  not a shame i don't like this at all [TS]

  see and I'm a big Dan Simmons fan and I [TS]

  actually read ileum and didn't pick up [TS]

  and that's essentially one book split [TS]

  into two volumes and I did you pick up [TS]

  vol.2 I was like net now I just [TS]

  completely you're completely like [TS]

  killing myself I didn't didn't sit on [TS]

  the completest certain level i really [TS]

  like these parts of story one element as [TS]

  extensions like oh ok [TS]

  oh that's that conduct completed thing [TS]

  is the worst i have read so many crappy [TS]

  series all the way through [TS]

  I think we did a podcast about that [TS]

  least yes well i like what you guys are [TS]

  talking about doing because i read you [TS]

  know I've read like 14 do novels and i [TS]

  will not read the other 300 you no good [TS]

  you can we draw the line right there [TS]

  should be getting good at 295 yeah yeah [TS]

  yeah they get that's what they told me [TS]

  about the oh they're gonna be so mad at [TS]

  me when I say this about that the gym [TS]

  butcher uh what's it called [TS]

  Oh Harry drapery dressed and novels know [TS]

  he got a reading for grilling everything [TS]

  the great not really honest when I said [TS]

  it's not that great me said no no it [TS]

  gets better I'm like I don't know if I [TS]

  believe you know as you said they were [TS]

  great numbers one good so yeah yeah same [TS]

  people people confuse that people [TS]

  confuse the cumulative satisfaction and [TS]

  and cross in the thrill of making [TS]

  connection between different books that [TS]

  that whole haha i know something about [TS]

  this whole series with the thrill of [TS]

  picking up the book for the first time [TS]

  getting sucked into the world or maybe [TS]

  there's some amortization is like the [TS]

  more people who read this the less less [TS]

  painful it'll be for any individual one [TS]

  tonight haha [TS]

  oh no my speedo psychic anguish of you [TS]

  reading a book book vampire series book [TS]

  vampires is what we're talking about [TS]

  okay so I'm gonna go because I always [TS]

  the last night Jason and we were just by [TS]

  this black asses over [TS]

  no we were just talking about Dan [TS]

  Simmons and believe it or not that [TS]

  actually is what i am picking up picking [TS]

  a dance in trouble [TS]

  dan simmons is well known for his wife I [TS]

  we talked about the hyperion books [TS]

  before we just mentioned ilium he's got [TS]

  something he's really kind of a genre [TS]

  krauser he's got some horror books that [TS]

  he's written in some fantasy and so of [TS]

  course i'm going to pick his one [TS]

  completely mainstream non jon renau [TS]

  novel which is called phases of gravity [TS]

  i mentioned before it is okay it is one [TS]

  of my favorite books of all time [TS]

  it's about an astronaut who it's it's [TS]

  set in the eighties I think was written [TS]

  in the eighties who loses loses a people [TS]

  close to him in the Challenger disaster [TS]

  he is rethinking his life there there [TS]

  are hints of of that this might be more [TS]

  of a John ristori at and but really it's [TS]

  not in the end not to give too much away [TS]

  I mean it really is a story about this [TS]

  guy trying to think about his life he he [TS]

  you know he was an astronaut he's been [TS]

  in space I think he walked on the moon [TS]

  but he's retired he's lost these people [TS]

  and he's really wondering what the point [TS]

  of his entire life is and it's a it's a [TS]

  beautiful story I mean I hate to say [TS]

  it's a beautiful tale of love and loss [TS]

  but you know that that's the Sun that's [TS]

  the summary on Goodreads and you know [TS]

  that's what it is it is that and um and [TS]

  I try to read this every you know every [TS]

  15 years or something like that i'm not [TS]

  a big reader books but I I find it kinda [TS]

  beautiful and I also he's a really good [TS]

  writer and I found this this novel you [TS]

  know it's appealing because of the [TS]

  writing and and I also felt like it was [TS]

  personally significant to Dan Simmons in [TS]

  some way that he was he was talking [TS]

  about some themes that maybe he felt [TS]

  like he didn't want to wrap around a [TS]

  horror novel or a sci-fi novel [TS]

  and and yet because it's about [TS]

  astronauts and people who died in space [TS]

  shuttle explosion and things like that [TS]

  it has a lot of elements that will be [TS]

  very familiar to readers of sci-fi [TS]

  especially and people who are so big [TS]

  science nerds and and I'm I'm those [TS]

  people so those people so it works for [TS]

  me on that level even though i did it [TS]

  you know it is not it's not what it I [TS]

  think anyone should call a sci-fi novel [TS]

  it really is just sort of a mainstream [TS]

  novel and it's beautiful and i love it a [TS]

  lot and I i encourage people to read it [TS]

  it's not really well known at all it's [TS]

  probably the oddball of his entire [TS]

  output as a novelist and it is it is my [TS]

  favorite I do love Hyperion quite a lot [TS]

  but faces of gravity is my favorite [TS]

  dance Simmons novel i'm so glad you [TS]

  recommended one because I vowed to never [TS]

  read it again but your recommendation so [TS]

  strong i will read it [TS]

  hyperion i think is one of the best [TS]

  science fiction novels ever written any [TS]

  angers me so much everything else he's [TS]

  written so i may have to go read that to [TS]

  try to get the taste of fall arrives [TS]

  Endymion out of my mouth haha but you [TS]

  also wrote a historical thriller [TS]

  oh yes drewd which I enjoyed greatly [TS]

  isn't it features a Charles Dickens and [TS]

  wilkie collins who is the author of the [TS]

  first of many consider the first mystery [TS]

  novel as an unreliable narrator and it's [TS]

  quite good i also like his the creek [TS]

  factory which is about the it's it's [TS]

  loosely based on the spy ring that [TS]

  Ernest Hemingway set up when he was [TS]

  living in Cuba totally different from [TS]

  everything else again so dances just [TS]

  turns out like he's gotta dial he spins [TS]

  the wheel and then the something stick [TS]

  that's pretty amazing [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah let's take a moment away [TS]

  from reading to talk about more reading [TS]

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  it's it's you know sometimes its [TS]

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  that's what this engine is pretty great [TS]

  all right let's you gotta break it to me [TS]

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  yeah that's exactly you know according [TS]

  to the book club they've got like two [TS]

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  alright let's go back to the people who [TS]

  are the night owls and thanks again to [TS]

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  alright that's one round through will do [TS]

  it a couple more times so let's go back [TS]

  up to the top of the list is also the [TS]

  only person on this podcast tonight [TS]

  whose name is not five letters long [TS]

  Lisa I could add an extra vowels or help [TS]

  Leo Sosa you make a le esa the only look [TS]

  like entertainment tonight is that [TS]

  always bugged me growing up or Zed as [TS]

  they say in Canada does that mean dr. [TS]

  Canada you know [TS]

  okay go ahead Lisa my second pick axe [TS]

  but in the spirit of unhinged lunacy is [TS]

  Neil stiff is Israel Steffensen zodiac [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah because it's possible it [TS]

  predates it predates that the books that [TS]

  put him on the map snow crash in the [TS]

  diamond age and the way he describes it [TS]

  as an eco-terrorist thriller and uh it [TS]

  it feels very of its time because it was [TS]

  written during the nineteen eighties the [TS]

  internet isn't really a factor it's just [TS]

  this very smart very misanthropic genius [TS]

  organic chemist named Sam on taylor who [TS]

  simply wants to clean up the Boston [TS]

  Harbor and he works with a Greenpeace [TS]

  like group and over the course of the [TS]

  investigation he's trying to work where [TS]

  he's trying to get polluters to quit [TS]

  dumping heavy metals into the harbor [TS]

  they run across like a death metal cult [TS]

  um there's a long digression on the [TS]

  merits of vietnamese food or as we call [TS]

  it a neal stephenson novel that what now [TS]

  integration no well I don't make sure [TS]

  you really but it makes you really [TS]

  appreciate the differences between [TS]

  different types of you know South South [TS]

  Asian cuisines sure it's just funny that [TS]

  he always has the energy is fantastic [TS]

  it's kind of lunatic and unhinged and [TS]

  again it's a really fast read so if you [TS]

  don't have the time and/or the biceps to [TS]

  haul around some of his later work [TS]

  this is the kind of thing you can pick [TS]

  up and easily get through and like a day [TS]

  or two [TS]

  it's great i I've read into it is it is [TS]

  a huge fun and and I love his [TS]

  relationship with the elderly library [TS]

  and we're in order to get any [TS]

  information he has to listen to her [TS]

  conversation first and and she's always [TS]

  talking about like going shopping for [TS]

  her granddaughter's christening dresses [TS]

  or other things like that is just what i [TS]

  like about staying on Taylor's a [TS]

  character is his fundamental respect for [TS]

  people who know what they're doing and [TS]

  do it well because that's something that [TS]

  I find a little off-putting about and I [TS]

  don't think it's in his work [TS]

  specifically but i find it off-putting [TS]

  and hacker culture type stuff in general [TS]

  is there tends to be the very left brain [TS]

  right brain divided in a clear hierarchy [TS]

  of people who are useful vs people who [TS]

  are not and all through this book he has [TS]

  a really clear it's clear saying aman [TS]

  respect people who who know their stuff [TS]

  and I I like a character who could who's [TS]

  smart and is not threatened by other [TS]

  people smarter home but see I think it's [TS]

  a good thing the model so yeah [TS]

  also it's super funny yes it's hilarious [TS]

  it's laugh-out-loud funny just going to [TS]

  you [TS]

  yeah that the weather where I forget the [TS]

  name of the organization's on the fourth [TS]

  floor he's got the storyline about how [TS]

  they have bumper stickers on the stair [TS]

  riser so that by the time you get to the [TS]

  office you're both out of breath and [TS]

  thoroughly indoctrinated and it was just [TS]

  this beautiful it's just like he's got [TS]

  an entire chapter devoted to commuting [TS]

  in boston on my bike that has to be read [TS]

  to be believed and if you've ever been [TS]

  to boston or try driving in that you're [TS]

  like always the doctor later yeah yeah i [TS]

  think if i have a theme for tonight's [TS]

  books it's gateways to the author where [TS]

  were these are the types of things are [TS]

  you dip your toes in and you're like [TS]

  okay I like this guy and then you can [TS]

  and then you can get more into their [TS]

  work and they may not be the best known [TS]

  thing these people have done but i think [TS]

  that the most accessible to the people [TS]

  who haven't read them yet and i highly [TS]

  recommend zodiac for anybody who I don't [TS]

  like fantasy or aromatic sapphire and [TS]

  like tech stuff because this isn't about [TS]

  that this is simply about a guy trying [TS]

  to do his job [TS]

  how many of those people are listening [TS]

  to this podcast although Kari I have [TS]

  some for I have some friends who looks [TS]

  okay [TS]

  they should all listen because they know [TS]

  what to do I don't know to learn [TS]

  something put it on their beginning put [TS]

  in their stocking that's what we're [TS]

  saying put it in their styling just slip [TS]

  in their stuff and be like what is this [TS]

  book is it astrology related in some way [TS]

  you could happen as I love that stuff i [TS]

  have some blending but i'll save it for [TS]

  my turn [TS]

  okay well as you should look into any no [TS]

  Glenn I never stretched anticipated no [TS]

  grading policy sony has part of his [TS]

  earlier work so it's before he was so [TS]

  famous that they couldn't cut anything [TS]

  out of his books yeah it's less than 800 [TS]

  pages long yeah it has an ending [TS]

  everything it's it's it's fast and funny [TS]

  and smart and it has a clear moral point [TS]

  of view and [TS]

  and yes yeah and attending yes yes good [TS]

  zodiac that good book [TS]

  David you're up well couple years ago I [TS]

  wrote he play about Vincent van Gogh and [TS]

  ever since [TS]

  ah yeah you see the foreshadowing pay [TS]

  you recommending we read your play not [TS]

  haha watching now available no no [TS]

  soon-to-be kick-started know but yeah as [TS]

  a result i pick up books and things [TS]

  about Van Gogh now because I have all [TS]

  this knowledge stuck in my head and it's [TS]

  interesting and I go oh wow they got [TS]

  that right they got the wrong like when [TS]

  I watched in sending the doctor and [TS]

  going oh wow you could have done this [TS]

  really like true-to-life but you screwed [TS]

  that up but that's okay because it's dr. [TS]

  fun and this is a book and I love doctor [TS]

  just saying this book by christopher [TS]

  moore is the maybe the one that Lisa did [TS]

  not mention his most recent novel called [TS]

  sacrifice clear yes a comedy data to and [TS]

  there's a theory in its in the most [TS]

  recent gigantic van Gogh biography which [TS]

  is actually very good [TS]

  there's a theory that he did not commit [TS]

  suicide that he was murdered and the [TS]

  authors of the biography go into really [TS]

  interesting detail you go well alright [TS]

  that's not implausible and lo and behold [TS]

  just after that came out came Sacrebleu [TS]

  where the idea is that Vincent's friends [TS]

  a baker turned painter and another [TS]

  friend of his toulouse-lautrec basically [TS]

  act as holmes and watson to solvang goes [TS]

  murder because he talks about having [TS]

  been pressed pursued around france by a [TS]

  crooked little color man and he has [TS]

  become deathly afraid of a a certain [TS]

  shade of blue a sacred blue and it's [TS]

  just nuts in that way that christopher [TS]

  moore can be but again it's you know [TS]

  it's like fool it's a much more mature [TS]

  much more assured novel he's sort of [TS]

  weaving in all of this [TS]

  real-life detail and he does an [TS]

  excellent job documenting like he has a [TS]

  blog just for this book it's filled in [TS]

  the book and the blog or both filled [TS]

  with pictures and filled with here's [TS]

  where this incident came from here's [TS]

  where this is set [TS]

  here's where this idea came from and [TS]

  he's just woven it all together in this [TS]

  really funny really good thriller but [TS]

  really funny [TS]

  sacre bleu alright well to from Chris [TS]

  Christopher more to from the guy whose [TS]

  is whose name I could never even recall [TS]

  so wow big changes afoot [TS]

  let's move on to Erica what do you have [TS]

  I have [TS]

  okay well I don't have a series exactly [TS]

  it was really hard for me to just pick [TS]

  three books because there are very few [TS]

  standalone books that I even read much [TS]

  alone let alone like a lot so what i did [TS]

  was i I picked a series and then pick [TS]

  the first book in the series and I [TS]

  figure that's a good thing to start with [TS]

  and then if if you don't like that book [TS]

  then don't read the rest of the series [TS]

  but if you do then you've got some other [TS]

  awesome books in front of you and how [TS]

  great is that so [TS]

  Robin hobb is one of my favorite fantasy [TS]

  authors of the last several decades and [TS]

  she's actually written a series of [TS]

  trilogies i guess but the book that I [TS]

  want to talk about is the first book of [TS]

  the second trilogy that takes place that [TS]

  sort of in this same world the book i'm [TS]

  talking about is ship of magic and it is [TS]

  really really cool [TS]

  it's the first book of the live ship [TS]

  traders trilogy that's the second [TS]

  trilogy as i mentioned and it follows [TS]

  the divestment family of being town and [TS]

  this vested family owns a live ship in a [TS]

  live ship is a ship that's made of this [TS]

  magical wizard would and once three [TS]

  generations of family captains have died [TS]

  onboard the ship the figurehead actually [TS]

  comes to life and has a personality and [TS]

  toxin stuff and it's just very magical [TS]

  and cool and only live ships in this [TS]

  world can travel up the rain wild river [TS]

  to trade with the mysterious rain wild [TS]

  families who trade fabulous and magical [TS]

  goods that you can't find anywhere else [TS]

  so [TS]

  that's sort of setting the stage that's [TS]

  that's where in the world in which this [TS]

  takes place but there are really two [TS]

  stories that are taking place throughout [TS]

  the book kind of in parallel so one [TS]

  story is following the best rate family [TS]

  the old captain is dying at the [TS]

  beginning of the book and his daughter [TS]

  Althea is is fairly young but she thinks [TS]

  she's going to inherit the ship because [TS]

  she's been sailing on it since she was a [TS]

  youngster and is very connected and [TS]

  bonded with this live ship but of course [TS]

  things don't turn out quite as she [TS]

  planned things can go awry for her from [TS]

  there and it's sort of follows her her [TS]

  journey and also a little bit of the [TS]

  what happens with her family as she [TS]

  works to get her life ship back but at [TS]

  the same time there's also another [TS]

  parallel story that seems completely [TS]

  unconnected there's a pirate captain [TS]

  named candidate who is looting pillaging [TS]

  left and right but he wants to capture a [TS]

  live ship for himself and he's kind of a [TS]

  terrible character but accidentally does [TS]

  some good things sort of a know we hurt [TS]

  if it's kind of an interesting thing [TS]

  everybody the people that follow him [TS]

  begin thinking that he's this wonderful [TS]

  character but really he's just doing [TS]

  everything selfishly for himself but [TS]

  accidents make it look like he's this [TS]

  wonderful fellow so i want to say too [TS]

  much more about it than that [TS]

  honestly I don't usually date books [TS]

  about pirates I'm not a good pirate [TS]

  thing and I don't think clearly and I [TS]

  don't forget our really like like [TS]

  politics which comes into things later [TS]

  in the trilogy there are some but some [TS]

  very interesting sort of political [TS]

  machinations in this this town in some [TS]

  of the country's pirate politics [TS]

  yeah there are pirate politics in here [TS]

  and those are two things I just don't [TS]

  usually like think that the whole point [TS]

  of being pirates would be that you [TS]

  reacted but it is it is a very good book [TS]

  I i like this particular trilogy of them [TS]

  the best is that the first trilogy is [TS]

  the Farseer trilogy and then there's [TS]

  another one after this one which is I [TS]

  think the tiny man trilogy and then she [TS]

  actually just recently wrote a tetralogy [TS]

  which i haven't yet right but i got it [TS]

  for Christmas early so i'm going to be [TS]

  getting to that but so far this the [TS]

  series of books that take place in the [TS]

  the big town area [TS]

  out-of-this-world I think the warmest of [TS]

  of the the trilogy's and i don't know i [TS]

  think it's perhaps because the setting [TS]

  is just a little bit more colorful and [TS]

  the one thing I didn't touch on was that [TS]

  in addition to these two things there's [TS]

  sort of a loose framing device that sort [TS]

  of pops in and out [TS]

  that's told from the point of view of [TS]

  these giant serpent creatures that are [TS]

  just sort of like swimming under the [TS]

  water and it doesn't make a whole lot of [TS]

  sense until later in the trilogy so i [TS]

  won't say much about that but it gets [TS]

  really really cool they're sort of like [TS]

  ancient secrets that are become coming [TS]

  to light later on down the road and i [TS]

  highly recommend giving it a try and [TS]

  then but it ends on a little bit of a [TS]

  cliffhanger so be ready for that but if [TS]

  you haven't enjoyed the first book then [TS]

  it doesn't make sense to keep going and [TS]

  you're not really anything by jumping [TS]

  out at that point right shift with magic [TS]

  good 1i haven't heard of that one either [TS]

  so it's on the list and it brings us to [TS]

  Scott yeah I'm surprised and happy you [TS]

  went after Erica last time it shouldn't [TS]

  be that big a shock [TS]

  well I thought there was a sneaking [TS]

  round thing in my own very confused by [TS]

  this draft format you can pick a snake [TS]

  related book if you like but oh alright [TS]

  well pick two serpents rise by Max [TS]

  Gladstone actually on my list so hope [TS]

  you're worried about you Scott [TS]

  haha i'm ready for any animal reference [TS]

  with my list of books figure capybara [TS]

  so this is the second in a series kind [TS]

  of loosely grouped together series so [TS]

  you can read them in any order the [TS]

  series is the craft series and basically [TS]

  max Gladstone envisions a world where [TS]

  there is there were gods that were [TS]

  actual things right and they were [TS]

  magical and followers and they had [TS]

  powers and they basically took care of [TS]

  the world and humans kind of slowly [TS]

  figured out how to craft magic [TS]

  themselves and overthrew the gods killed [TS]

  a bunch of them trapped some of them and [TS]

  kind of siphon off the power to do a [TS]

  bunch of things and basically he [TS]

  imagines if there is this world [TS]

  then there must be bureaucrats that run [TS]

  this world so the first book called [TS]

  three parts dead is about a lawyer firm [TS]

  that specializes basically in DD [TS]

  arbitrage and so this this deity that [TS]

  this town is using to power everything [TS]

  is slowly dying and many towns kind of [TS]

  have claims over different parts of the [TS]

  Gods so they hire this lawyer firm to [TS]

  kind of settle it down the second book [TS]

  is set in a different city this up i'm [TS]

  not making itself but that's the [TS]

  craziest thing [TS]

  oh that's right go ahead the second book [TS]

  to surface rise is set in a different [TS]

  city in the same world where there is [TS]

  this character called the Red King who [TS]

  has a company called Red King [TS]

  consolidated that owns the rights to [TS]

  supply water to the city and the cities [TS]

  in the desert and he read the Red King [TS]

  is a powerful human magician who killed [TS]

  the god of this city and kind of got [TS]

  immortality but in the process [TS]

  transforms himself into a walking [TS]

  skeleton and he also loves to drink [TS]

  coffee and the main character is kind of [TS]

  his his troubleshooter called Caleb who [TS]

  has to figure out what's happening with [TS]

  this reservoir where an explosion has [TS]

  happened and he has to figure out and [TS]

  then the water takes some demonic forms [TS]

  and starts attacking people which [TS]

  negatively impacts the company and so [TS]

  the Red King is upset because he feels [TS]

  like he's going to lose this city's [TS]

  water contract because the water is [TS]

  attacking people [TS]

  so he needs to get it figured out and [TS]

  that is basically the story of the book [TS]

  and it is just delightful [TS]

  wow that's another book I have never [TS]

  heard of that's pretty wild [TS]

  but she's a few things that come with [TS]

  see the 3000 not a ton but if you liked [TS]

  this book you might also like it's [TS]

  alright good job Scott thanks top tackle [TS]

  him [TS]

  oh also taken by surprise [TS]

  what's this is a not that complicated to [TS]

  format go ahead [TS]

  my friend so I'm recommending a book [TS]

  this is nonfiction and it is written by [TS]

  a friend of mine my editor at The [TS]

  Economist Tom Standage order book that I [TS]

  am really enjoying and I'm not just [TS]

  saying that he Tom as in so either i was [TS]

  fortunate enough to meet mr. Stevenson [TS]

  and beat his house because there is a [TS]

  little book reception for comedy pass [TS]

  through town on a book tour for this the [TS]

  book is called writing on the wall and [TS]

  Tom writes these books that are about [TS]

  why nothing is new again they should all [TS]

  be called like they're there is nothing [TS]

  new Under the Sun or something because [TS]

  there are there explain the context of [TS]

  what we think is new now and we think [TS]

  we're sort of sorting through in society [TS]

  but turns out has remarkably similar [TS]

  underpinnings and echoes back through [TS]

  history even when it seems like the [TS]

  technology could exists so writing on [TS]

  the wall is it's the subtitle is a [TS]

  social networking the first two thousand [TS]

  years and it is it's really charming [TS]

  hilarious [TS]

  even if you have a good grasp of history [TS]

  and I might Roman history isn't so good [TS]

  but there's basically like before [TS]

  printing presses Romans even at distant [TS]

  outposts and all these you know slaves [TS]

  and scribes who would write copies of [TS]

  things all the time and they were [TS]

  circulating letters the Romans had an [TS]

  incredible distribution system before [TS]

  the male's so people were actually [TS]

  sending blog and she's packing force [TS]

  across the Appian Way and it was it's it [TS]

  is hilarious and so you read this you're [TS]

  like okay this is actually he's not [TS]

  really stretching the case like people [TS]

  would write stuff and then they would [TS]

  annotate it and they returned it and [TS]

  they market with comments and it would [TS]

  come back and they would be [TS]

  redistributed and people get angry and [TS]

  very political fights and flame wars all [TS]

  the people writing out by you know [TS]

  longhand in some of the scribes were [TS]

  particularly well-liked because they had [TS]

  developed their own shorthand system so [TS]

  they could take notes more quickly and [TS]

  some were very fast and people were [TS]

  particularly wealthy could have a ton of [TS]

  ppl transcribing constantly to produce [TS]

  these things and so it starts there and [TS]

  it goes through lecture of every era in [TS]

  which we sort of think well this is [TS]

  before this or oh well newspapers did [TS]

  this and he talks about the [TS]

  consolidation of social media into mass [TS]

  media and then what he thinks is this [TS]

  glorious you know not perfect but this [TS]

  reopening of [TS]

  consolidation from all this interaction [TS]

  among people even newspapers for a long [TS]

  time really newspapers were mostly [TS]

  publishing dispatches and letters from [TS]

  other people they do their own reporting [TS]

  so they were actually quite social in [TS]

  their own way even though there are mass [TS]

  method of distribution so lovely book [TS]

  and all Thomas books are actually quite [TS]

  neat victorian internet the mechanic [TS]

  look about the mechanical turk the [TS]

  chess-playing machine all kinds these [TS]

  guys just wonderful books about that [TS]

  peek beneath the surface of what we [TS]

  think was going on in society or [TS]

  technology and and this is his latest so [TS]

  it's a little bit of I'm sorry little [TS]

  bit of nepotism but I'm sure I'm sure it [TS]

  can be forgiven because it's a good book [TS]

  i'm going to fully support your nepotism [TS]

  foreshadowing oh why [TS]

  alright so so writing on the wall Tom [TS]

  Standage alright so i found a theme for [TS]

  mine that I i actually was looking at my [TS]

  list and realizing that I do have a [TS]

  theme here my famous things that are not [TS]

  science fiction novels that should [TS]

  appeal in some way to people who read [TS]

  science fiction novel so we had faces of [TS]

  gravity which is by a writer of genre [TS]

  novels of many kinds and now i'm gonna [TS]

  move on to a book by nick hornby that [TS]

  I've mentioned he's one of my two [TS]

  favorite contemporary novelists really [TS]

  and I could recommend many of his books [TS]

  some of which have slight [TS]

  science-fictional overtones but i'm [TS]

  going to recommend a memoir that he [TS]

  wrote that has been turned into not one [TS]

  but two kind of lackluster to poor [TS]

  motion pictures but the memoir is great [TS]

  it's fever pitch it became a romantic [TS]

  comedy with jimmy fallon and drew [TS]

  barrymore it also became another [TS]

  romantic comedy with colin firth [TS]

  slightly better the conference one is [TS]

  better [TS]

  it's got Colin first so yeah exactly [TS]

  yeah calm confidence goes a long way [TS]

  versus chimney Falon sure he also has [TS]

  dialogue in it to riches so so fever [TS]

  pitch [TS]

  Nick Hornby wonderful i've said this [TS]

  before wonderful writer just as a [TS]

  stylist wonderful his essays are great [TS]

  his novels are great if you want to read [TS]

  a novel of his go read high-fidelity [TS]

  even if you've seen the movie it's a [TS]

  wonderful wonderful novel but fever [TS]

  pitch [TS]

  the reason i'm picking it is it is the [TS]

  best thing I've [TS]

  ever read about being a fan and it's [TS]

  very specifically about being a sports [TS]

  fan but even if you're not a sports fan [TS]

  even if you're just in really i mean [TS]

  really really enthusiastic about things [TS]

  about something it this is his memoir [TS]

  about being a completely crazy fan of [TS]

  Arsenal the London the North London [TS]

  football club soccer we would call it [TS]

  here i don't know if they call it soccer [TS]

  in Canada but they would say said if it [TS]

  happened to see a locker he's a he's a [TS]

  insane fan-like insect-like moves to [TS]

  where the stadium is and his apartment [TS]

  is near there and and he's he's [TS]

  superstitious so he does things like [TS]

  gets up to get something and something [TS]

  good happens and he stays in that spot [TS]

  for the next like two hours so it's [TS]

  funny it is definitely a knowing [TS]

  portrayal of how he's allowing his [TS]

  obsession to kind of rule his life if [TS]

  you're if you're a fan of any sports [TS]

  teams of any sort you will really get it [TS]

  but I think if you're a fan of things [TS]

  you will appreciate this story of why [TS]

  people get enthusiastic about things and [TS]

  why they hold them so close to their [TS]

  heart and what it means to be a fan and [TS]

  the good and the bad of it what what [TS]

  what makes you so excited to be a fan [TS]

  and also the kind of crazy things you do [TS]

  when the the things that might not be [TS]

  logical but you do them anyway because [TS]

  of the love that you've got for whatever [TS]

  that thing is that you love and you know [TS]

  recently there's been a whole genre of a [TS]

  series of documentaries about people who [TS]

  are totally obsessed with some really [TS]

  small thing and i always find those [TS]

  fascinating because you know we all what [TS]

  we're obsessed with can really differ [TS]

  and you might be the guy who's obsessed [TS]

  with playing Donkey Kong and that's a [TS]

  great movie but uh you might just be a [TS]

  fan of of soccer or of this one [TS]

  particular team or some other sports [TS]

  team or some other TV show or movie or [TS]

  whatever so really funny really [TS]

  heartfelt and I think says something [TS]

  about what it's like to be a man so [TS]

  fever pitch by nick hornby and that's my [TS]

  that's my choice and with the end of [TS]

  that round I'm gonna take another break [TS]

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  okay well in keeping with the theme of [TS]

  entry-level reading for authors you may [TS]

  or may not have actually considered i'm [TS]

  going to go back to the nineteen [TS]

  eighties and early nineties and i'm [TS]

  going to recommend the book to ghana by [TS]

  guy Gavriel Kay who [TS]

  oh yeah America would like it but I like [TS]

  it I like in the confirmation and I have [TS]

  kind of a of a tease one of those [TS]

  officers were all read anything he's [TS]

  written but I've got more critical of [TS]

  his his later work i know well if I feel [TS]

  like his language has gotten really [TS]

  stylized and precious in the last 10 [TS]

  years or so like I've read both of the [TS]

  child I've read both of the books that [TS]

  he wrote after doing all that research [TS]

  on like the hand I Han Dynasty like [TS]

  river of stars and under heaven and it's [TS]

  just there which I'm not recommending [TS]

  but like the language there's kind of [TS]

  almost a parody of his early stuff but [TS]

  to Ghana is I think the fourth book he [TS]

  wrote after i'm a trilogy which I would [TS]

  also recommend but the reason I'm [TS]

  telling you all to read to Ghana is not [TS]

  only does this give you an idea of this [TS]

  guy's language which again is is very I [TS]

  hesitate to use the word precious but [TS]

  it's very specific and very sentimental [TS]

  in a way but it's it's the book is about [TS]

  a group of revolutionaries who are [TS]

  seeking to overthrow wizard who has any [TS]

  effect managed to erase the very name of [TS]

  their country from existence [TS]

  so it's about the limits of zella tree [TS]

  and when your moral crusade is or isn't [TS]

  terribly moral there are of course some [TS]

  soap opera type complications where one [TS]

  guy is to send by his mother another one [TS]

  had an affair with his sister was now [TS]

  sleeping with the wizard a but there are [TS]

  there are some some it's funny [TS]

  which again seems to have Lee chips with [TS]

  queso later work it's funny it's smart [TS]

  it's incredibly well research because [TS]

  there's a lot of parallels to Italian [TS]

  history during the Renaissance the magic [TS]

  is an element but it's not proof and [TS]

  then a wizard waves his hands and things [TS]

  happen it's actually uses a tactical [TS]

  deployment and it's a book about [TS]

  national identity and nation-building [TS]

  and that [TS]

  point your political ideologies become [TS]

  too corrosive for you to actually hold [TS]

  on to them so if you like fantasy [TS]

  especially fantasy about worlds that [TS]

  seem to be rooted in our own world [TS]

  history i would highly recommend that [TS]

  and then once you decide whether or not [TS]

  you like to ghana you can run on not [TS]

  walk and read the summer tree trilogy [TS]

  double woo for that [TS]

  ya know i love the feeling of our [TS]

  tapestry like that's one of my favorite [TS]

  some villages of all time but I didn't [TS]

  want to recommend a trilogy because you [TS]

  know I'm the most problem and all that [TS]

  and I also thought well it's kind of [TS]

  it's the guy I'd rather just had say [TS]

  alright read this see if you like the [TS]

  guy and then if you do you can jump into [TS]

  the trilogy which has like crazy our [TS]

  theory and parallels and and you know [TS]

  dwarves who made crystal art and and [TS]

  wolves that talk and other stuff like [TS]

  that but but you know start with this [TS]

  first and for the love of God stay away [TS]

  from the later stuff too low calibrator [TS]

  or your expectations accordingly [TS]

  yeah I kind of this complaint about [TS]

  william gibson to who is another author [TS]

  i really really love and I mean I there [TS]

  are there i can probably recite parts of [TS]

  of the neuromancer trilogy and that they [TS]

  can't be healthy but I sort of it but I [TS]

  sort of feel like some of his his later [TS]

  work the language has almost become a [TS]

  parody of the style and perspective that [TS]

  he has a younger writer and part of it [TS]

  is you know you simply get into the [TS]

  patterns of it works for you and I still [TS]

  think he's a lot of really interesting [TS]

  things to see a lot of great stories i [TS]

  just think that that there's a lot of of [TS]

  language shortcuts or or overheated pros [TS]

  that that that that could use a good [TS]

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  successful writers later yeah oh yeah [TS]

  now they did they get successfully like [TS]

  oh I know what works and you're like [TS]

  well if you go i could only read a [TS]

  description about a fine leather shirt [TS]

  so many times [TS]

  alright David it's your turn okay I'm [TS]

  just gonna start with the first [TS]

  paragraph of this book because it says [TS]

  everything about reading you were about [TS]

  to begin reading Italo Calvino's new [TS]

  novel if on a winter's night a traveler [TS]

  relax concentrate but the world around [TS]

  you fade best close the door the TV is [TS]

  always on in the next room [TS]

  tell the others know I don't want to [TS]

  watch TV raise your voice they won't [TS]

  hear you [TS]

  yell I'm beginning to read Italo [TS]

  Calvino's new novel or if you prefer [TS]

  don't say anything and just hope they'll [TS]

  leave you alone [TS]

  it's like this book kind of again blew [TS]

  my mind and changed the way I thought [TS]

  about what you could do with fiction and [TS]

  would you know because what it is [TS]

  every other chapter is written in the [TS]

  second person present tense so it's you [TS]

  are doing this and eventually you meet a [TS]

  woman and she is also a reader but the [TS]

  alternating chapters are chapters of the [TS]

  books that the two of you are reading up [TS]

  and each one is a different genre each [TS]

  one breaks off at a really climactic [TS]

  exciting moment and then the characters [TS]

  the the two of you are drawn into a [TS]

  mysterious plot involving books and [TS]

  mystery and intrigue and the elements of [TS]

  the different chapters start working [TS]

  their way into the reality of the book [TS]

  and eventually you fall in love you get [TS]

  married at the very end she says turn [TS]

  off your light aren't you tired of [TS]

  reading and you say just a moment I've [TS]

  almost finished if on a winter's night [TS]

  to travel by italo calvino it's just you [TS]

  know after that you don't need bright [TS]

  lights big city you don't need any of [TS]

  these other books written in second [TS]

  person presidents like he did it go away [TS]

  do something else but it is it is just [TS]

  you know metafiction on a grand level no [TS]

  one has done it better and and that the [TS]

  different genre chapters are beautiful [TS]

  pass teaches of the different styles as [TS]

  Scott's just so much fun [TS]

  alright i I've never even heard of that [TS]

  either a little caffeine is a terrific [TS]

  writer is well translated I mean the [TS]

  transitions are like the readable they [TS]

  don't feel like translation cosmic on [TS]

  race is hilarious and crazy like it's [TS]

  invisible cities and cities also raised [TS]

  a terrific like straight fictional book [TS]

  about a communist you know watching the [TS]

  vote the polls to prevent fraud it was [TS]

  just very interesting meditation but it [TS]

  was [TS]

  you know post-war possible for to Italy [TS]

  read some of short stories it's like [TS]

  kind of everything he writes whatever [TS]

  genre type it is fascinating [TS]

  oh yeah and nothing is I mean he doesn't [TS]

  repeat himself every book is its own [TS]

  thing and even his books about writing [TS]

  like the posthumous six memos for the [TS]

  next millennium just beautiful if if you [TS]

  want to be a a writer and especially a [TS]

  fiction writer go find that book that [TS]

  and the art of literature both just you [TS]

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  for Laughs doesn't mean the rest of our [TS]

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  to be honest that's what happened when i [TS]

  read watchmen the first time was like [TS]

  okay knocking requirements for a while [TS]

  now I've kind of done that [TS]

  yep that was good and not in a bad way [TS]

  but like no you did it [TS]

  these are the guys mm don't know we [TS]

  already mentioned Hyperion but that was [TS]

  my reaction I here to read this and I'm [TS]

  like I don't ever need to read science [TS]

  fiction again and then i read the city [TS]

  kids read more books than you've ridden [TS]

  shotgun with your gut UND assembly [TS]

  doesn't get paid if you stop reading his [TS]

  books after that one [TS]

  I should have plunged the daggers in my [TS]

  eyes the world is full of those writers [TS]

  are likely make this book perfect but [TS]

  then they wouldn't buy my other books so [TS]

  leave them wanting more [TS]

  Erica what's your third selection [TS]

  well actually before I get to my third [TS]

  selection i just realized that there was [TS]

  something really important that i forgot [TS]

  to say about my second selection but the [TS]

  reason I forgot ties into my third [TS]

  selection [TS]

  well yes if you can buy time together [TS]

  you've saved me lots of editing time so [TS]

  great you're welcome i was thinking [TS]

  about Jenna so that the one thing that i [TS]

  forgot was that the these books by robin [TS]

  hobb contain one of actually think tied [TS]

  for my favorite fictional character ever [TS]

  of all time and I can't say what this [TS]

  character's name is because we don't [TS]

  ever really find out in the first [TS]

  trilogy i mentioned this character is [TS]

  known as just the fool and it's kind of [TS]

  a a teenage a youth us you are led to [TS]

  believe that [TS]

  that this character is male but then in [TS]

  the second in the second series you have [TS]

  this kind of mysterious woman named [TS]

  amber who they never explicitly say but [TS]

  eventually pretty quickly you kind of [TS]

  come to figure out oh this is the full [TS]

  of character just dressed up as a woman [TS]

  and looking and acting somewhat [TS]

  differently and then the third trilogy [TS]

  shows back up in the original country as [TS]

  the fool again and I just in addition to [TS]

  being a strangely genderless character I [TS]

  just think it very wise and centered and [TS]

  grounded character which I just love and [TS]

  I i adore the fact that the gender in [TS]

  this situation is they both is and is [TS]

  not important [TS]

  sort of kind of is important locally to [TS]

  the characters that are surrounding him [TS]

  her at any given time but overall this [TS]

  character is just wonderful and lovable [TS]

  and important and it really doesn't make [TS]

  any difference whatsoever what is [TS]

  underneath the trousers and i just think [TS]

  that's kind of a great thing so I just [TS]

  had to throw that in there because i [TS]

  forgot and out the reason that i forgot [TS]

  is because instead of writing up my [TS]

  notes like I meant to before this I was [TS]

  watching an adventure in space and time [TS]

  which is a duck a docudrama about the [TS]

  creation of Doctor Who back in the [TS]

  sixties and it was wonderful i won't [TS]

  spoil anything but made a show guys it [TS]

  was really cool my third choice i've [TS]

  actually got taking a bit of a left turn [TS]

  here and gone with something non fiction [TS]

  which for me is even weirder than a [TS]

  pirate book because I almost never read [TS]

  nonfiction it's just not my thing but I [TS]

  it is the 50th anniversary year of [TS]

  Doctor Who so I've kind of been gloating [TS]

  myself on Doctor Who stuff both fiction [TS]

  and nonfiction so my third pic is a book [TS]

  called chicks unravel time women journey [TS]

  through every season of doctor who and [TS]

  it is an edited full disclosure edited [TS]

  by deborah Standish and LM miles who are [TS]

  two of my co-hosts on the very podcast [TS]

  so I'm a little bit biased here but i [TS]

  think that even if I wasn't it would [TS]

  still be i think i would still love this [TS]

  book it was actually nominated for the [TS]

  best related work [TS]

  hugo award this year so i'm not alone in [TS]

  thinking that it's freaking awesome [TS]

  so it's a collection of essays about all [TS]

  of the seasons of Doctor Who [TS]

  not including the most recent series [TS]

  seven because it wasn't out yet [TS]

  can I don't think maybe six isn't in [TS]

  there either but anyway it's a [TS]

  collection of all these essays all of [TS]

  them written by women [TS]

  some of them are examinations of sort of [TS]

  the social commentary in the show [TS]

  possibly women's issues [TS]

  gender race some of the essays are a [TS]

  little more light and fun [TS]

  one of them is actually called david [TS]

  tennant's bomb which is awesome how the [TS]

  NSA or the or the bottom [TS]

  yeah i'm just going to say yes [TS]

  all right but if that particular one is [TS]

  very nice it's one of the lighter more [TS]

  fun ones but it actually still sort of [TS]

  gets to to the point of that's a series [TS]

  to the new series Dave attendance for [TS]

  series and talking about how this sort [TS]

  of sexy doctor brought in a whole bunch [TS]

  of new fans who were kind of coming to [TS]

  the show because he was good-looking but [TS]

  then discovering all of the other things [TS]

  that are wonderful about the doctor and [TS]

  bring them in and I just thought that [TS]

  was pretty great [TS]

  so there are all kinds of essays some of [TS]

  them are very sort of like dense and [TS]

  more sciency some of them are just kind [TS]

  of easy reading and fun but they're all [TS]

  really good and one of the things i [TS]

  especially liked about this book is the [TS]

  order [TS]

  it's not in chronological order which at [TS]

  first my nerd brain was like oh my god [TS]

  what were you thinking but they really [TS]

  did something smart with it they took it [TS]

  and kind of form it together so that [TS]

  sort of tells a story so now if you read [TS]

  the book from the beginning to the end [TS]

  it really flows and I mean of course you [TS]

  don't have to you can go through and [TS]

  like pick out all right season 1 season [TS]

  2 etc but it really works the way that [TS]

  they they pieced it together and I think [TS]

  that it's wonderful [TS]

  so I think this was this one would be [TS]

  it's fun to read and it also makes a [TS]

  really good stocking stuffer for for [TS]

  doctor who fan in your family i may be [TS]

  using it myself in that way [TS]

  uh Scott mcnulty it's your turn [TS]

  so the theme of my books which perhaps [TS]

  would be only noticeable to me since the [TS]

  the theme is booked Scott has read this [TS]

  year I continues with my next book [TS]

  because i have in fact read this this [TS]

  year it is by Peter F have [TS]

  person who also writes these kind of [TS]

  sweeping space opera books [TS]

  this one is not a sweeping space [TS]

  operates his most recent book the great [TS]

  north road which some people hate I [TS]

  liked it [TS]

  it's a almost 900 pages long because [TS]

  that's what Peter F Hamilton does and [TS]

  it's about it's basically a murder [TS]

  mystery and I may have spoken about this [TS]

  on a previous episode of the [TS]

  uncomfortable and it includes many of [TS]

  other things that Peter F Hamilton likes [TS]

  to write about [TS]

  he enjoys having portals that connect [TS]

  different worlds that you are go through [TS]

  with in vehicles so one of the series [TS]

  features trains that go to different [TS]

  worlds through these portals this one [TS]

  just features the Great North Road which [TS]

  is a row that you can drive your car up [TS]

  through and then you go through a portal [TS]

  and you're on a different planet and so [TS]

  in this book there's the North family [TS]

  that is a family that has cloned it's [TS]

  the head of the family one of the clones [TS]

  was murdered horribly on a planet that's [TS]

  creates a biofuel that the earth depends [TS]

  on 20 years ago and was never solved but [TS]

  it was blamed on this particular woman [TS]

  character but she escaped she actually [TS]

  didn't escape she was a put in prison [TS]

  but she claims she didn't do it and an [TS]

  alien killed the sky believer because [TS]

  aliens didn't no one has ever [TS]

  encountered an alien in this universe so [TS]

  they thought she was crazy and also for [TS]

  some reason she never ages [TS]

  so that kind of confuses people and then [TS]

  20 years later she's safely ensconced in [TS]

  prison and on earth someone is another [TS]

  one of these clones is horribly murdered [TS]

  in similar in the exact same way and so [TS]

  detective is called in to kind of figure [TS]

  out like a local English detective who [TS]

  is just wanting to you know make ends [TS]

  meat is pulled into this kind of web of [TS]

  intrigue that involves the the [TS]

  most powerful family in this universe [TS]

  and this weird person that he doesn't [TS]

  really trust and he has to go to the [TS]

  different planet and figure out what's [TS]

  going on [TS]

  it's pretty good it is i will say that [TS]

  the first if you don't like a kind of [TS]

  detective novels the first 200 pages of [TS]

  this book probably will not be for you [TS]

  but if you if you stick to it it does [TS]

  ramp up the action and a little more [TS]

  science fiction is in there the last 700 [TS]

  pages they really make up for the first [TS]

  two all right Eric [TS]

  alright that's good that's got the again [TS]

  it's the Scott melted guarantee that it [TS]

  is a book he liked and read the history [TS]

  with your bookie that no I liked it I [TS]

  guarantee it [TS]

  I like the first 200 pages tombs yeah [TS]

  Glenn it's your turn [TS]

  absolutely i'm ready this time I i like [TS]

  to vote at the end about the most it did [TS]

  Scott create wiki entries for all the [TS]

  books that he's suggesting this time [TS]

  around [TS]

  hey they seem all made up but i'll have [TS]

  to go read them because they're so fast [TS]

  today they're so they they are all [TS]

  fiction so they are in fact all may know [TS]

  it's not by scott it's not double blind [TS]

  so i have a book by a Seattle other [TS]

  Seattle author Neal Stephenson being a [TS]

  CL other matt rough wrote this book [TS]

  called mirage that came out first [TS]

  I believe originally in 2011 and went [TS]

  into a paperback or doesn't 12 he writes [TS]

  relatively few novels he spends years on [TS]

  them and mirages again I think it's part [TS]

  of my eyelids genre i guess there's a [TS]

  Glen John which is the viewing the [TS]

  universe through the eyes of other [TS]

  cultures so we're not reading the same [TS]

  old tropes or the troops have to be [TS]

  transformed so cash you know I can [TS]

  mirage i can tell you how it opens but I [TS]

  don't want to tell you too much about it [TS]

  but it's it's earth it's you know this [TS]

  time but the greatest power in the world [TS]

  is not the United States and say Russia [TS]

  it's the United Arab states and their [TS]

  you too [TS]

  there's some it has detective Scott [TS]

  you'd love it [TS]

  I have and in 2001 what happened is that [TS]

  Christian fundamentalist hijacked [TS]

  jetliners and drove and flew them into [TS]

  tigris and euphrates World Trade Towers [TS]

  and Baghdad into the Arab defence [TS]

  ministry and Riyadh so it really imagine [TS]

  a world in which when at some point [TS]

  something shifted and the Arab world [TS]

  wound up as the superpower and sort of [TS]

  running things with with the same sorts [TS]

  of conflicts that they have today but [TS]

  muted because they're in charge the [TS]

  sectarian unrest and and so forth and [TS]

  United States a bunch of really messed [TS]

  up little contingents of fundamentalisms [TS]

  and moderates the president is very [TS]

  little power it's a sort of a crazy [TS]

  place and there's something not quite [TS]

  right in this world which is why it's [TS]

  called mirage and I want to give away [TS]

  too much because it's sort of like a [TS]

  break in the world kind of thing and it [TS]

  starts to become a parent what's going [TS]

  on but it'sit's fantasy he writes these [TS]

  these very woods a slightly delightful [TS]

  things that even when everything is sort [TS]

  of crazy like you know how the [TS]

  experimental Stephen similar to steal [TS]

  students will have 400 different things [TS]

  going on and then at the end there's a [TS]

  car crash and you and you don't know [TS]

  better than some people walk away and [TS]

  summer just left it was a bloody mess [TS]

  the meddling like I don't really know [TS]

  what happened to your fucking need some [TS]

  more ambulances to figure it out and [TS]

  doctors please and Matt rough tends to [TS]

  bring everything together in a neat [TS]

  little wrapper and you may or may not be [TS]

  satisfied with it always i think some of [TS]

  his novels anyway I'm like all right [TS]

  well as a lot of whatever but he's kind [TS]

  of a magical realism / more fantasy [TS]

  writer than say sci-fi or no realistic [TS]

  fiction so I love your gas electric I [TS]

  think that's another point people to [TS]

  create the other and Rand in a tiny yeah [TS]

  in a cube giant mutant sharks and [TS]

  shooters and walt disney's the racing [TS]

  for the virus and yes yeah 15 bucks is [TS]

  crazy and also i'm sorry we're gonna get [TS]

  he's a lovely guy lives in Seattle and [TS]

  on for a story inside he's really part [TS]

  of the glaring at the wedding promise do [TS]

  not know any other authors in the thing [TS]

  but I i read a fool on the hill was one [TS]

  of his earliest race first novel was [TS]

  published first and he that was set in [TS]

  cornell where my wife went to [TS]

  university and she she had and i read it [TS]

  and i really love this charming in [TS]

  different it it's got a lot of talkin it [TS]

  also so if you like Tolkien for the hell [TS]

  is kind of neat and anyway so I like [TS]

  mirage quite a lot and it i recommend it [TS]

  it's a good read it sort of crazy [TS]

  because you're reading in your heads [TS]

  going yeah because every David crash [TS]

  appears and and some people are their [TS]

  son-in-law is there of course but you [TS]

  have the former leader of Libya Muammar [TS]

  Qaddafi is like even the internet of [TS]

  course of course cannot be you know it's [TS]

  like all of question is the al gore the [TS]

  book and anyway it's it's not a romp [TS]

  it's pretty serious and very violent [TS]

  spots but he somehow manages to make it [TS]

  very interesting and charming and also [TS]

  liked it comes up you read it i did read [TS]

  it you like the good i spoke about it on [TS]

  an episode of the uncomfortable is not [TS]

  want to yes in fact [TS]

  oh thanks for listening Glenn yeah so [TS]

  well I'll close up a third-round and [TS]

  then what we wanted them done with this [TS]

  if you guys have any other you know [TS]

  things that we were left that you didn't [TS]

  get the pic we can go around you know [TS]

  really quickly and you can throw at [TS]

  other things to plug if people read all [TS]

  of these books they can move on to the [TS]

  ancillary auxiliary I don't know [TS]

  whatever selections ladies around let me [TS]

  close my let me close close this up the [TS]

  the main part of this with you said my [TS]

  theme is things that aren't really [TS]

  science fictional but but uh have some [TS]

  sort of tie this is a this is an [TS]

  extremely obscure book in that it won [TS]

  the purulent surprise whatever but i'm [TS]

  going to recommend it because i think [TS]

  that i think that there are a lot of [TS]

  people out there who listen to us who [TS]

  maybe don't we even though it won the [TS]

  Pulitzer Prize i'm still gonna recommend [TS]

  because I don't know if our listeners [TS]

  have read this book and they should it's [TS]

  not like they're taking their medicine [TS]

  when they read this book okay and if [TS]

  it's my theme so i'm also gonna toss it [TS]

  in here because it's my favorite The [TS]

  Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and clay [TS]

  by michael chabon I've i recommended in [TS]

  many many many times are going to [TS]

  recommend it again its story so it is [TS]

  two characters roughly modeled on siegel [TS]

  and shuster who were the inventors of [TS]

  Superman but it's actually got a [TS]

  there-there composites of lots of comic [TS]

  book creators from the the forties and [TS]

  fifties including Jack Kirby Stanley bob [TS]

  kane joe simon so many of those of those [TS]

  Golden Age comic book creators it's also [TS]

  very much a story of Jewish immigrants [TS]

  to New York it's a story world war two [TS]

  Hitler's in it Scott and I've read it i [TS]

  only the Hitler personally think that [TS]

  was right we're gonna get in so much [TS]

  trouble someday it so it is it is about [TS]

  people like us in that they are nerdy [TS]

  kids who have this obsession with these [TS]

  stories and the way they tie in kind of [TS]

  Jewish stories about things like golems [TS]

  and and then tie it into the the stories [TS]

  they tell to this broader audience is [TS]

  great the effects of the war the effects [TS]

  of uh well with a one of the characters [TS]

  is gay and so the effects of living that [TS]

  life in the nineteen forties and what it [TS]

  does what it means about his career and [TS]

  about his relations relationships to [TS]

  other people who he's close to is is [TS]

  great as well and it's fun i have to say [TS]

  that it is not only this period surprise [TS]

  winning thing I don't want it I just [TS]

  feel like people kind of like wow that [TS]

  sounds really serious i'm not going to [TS]

  read it it's fun it is in many ways a [TS]

  celebration of this incredible flowering [TS]

  of a really geeky subculture that that [TS]

  led to the creation of all of the great [TS]

  comic book characters of the 20th [TS]

  century a and yet how it was how the the [TS]

  Jewish experience in new york city was a [TS]

  part of a major part of that and how it [TS]

  was affected by world war two and the [TS]

  aftermath of world war two and it's all [TS]

  wrapped up with with a lot of love [TS]

  Siobhan it invents the the escapist [TS]

  that's the name of the character that [TS]

  they create and then there's some [TS]

  wonderful bits there and he's going on [TS]

  to actually make some escape as comics [TS]

  which I i think i'm in one collection [TS]

  kind of wonderful have all of up and [TS]

  it's and it's beautiful it is a [TS]

  beautiful book that I think a Pete will [TS]

  appeal to anybody who reads the kind of [TS]

  book [TS]

  but we talked about on this on this [TS]

  podcast and don't just because he is a a [TS]

  a lot adminstrator novelist whose won [TS]

  lots of prizes like the people surprised [TS]

  he's one of us that's the dirty secret [TS]

  that he's finally admitted to now that [TS]

  he has won all the prizes and this book [TS]

  spoke to me in a way that um I i did not [TS]

  expect because I I felt like it really [TS]

  was not only things i love these people [TS]

  have enthusiasms for things that i love [TS]

  to but there you know i could see i [TS]

  could see if not see me in them I could [TS]

  also see my friends and and you know if [TS]

  it was all very familiar to me and and I [TS]

  like that a lot so Kavalier and clay i [TS]

  know people talk about it a lot you [TS]

  should actually read it it's really good [TS]

  Scott you've read that one too i have i [TS]

  read that was something that was nearly [TS]

  one of the thumbs up it was reading [TS]

  books tonight i'll save the blending for [TS]

  the after dark that ok i saw i saw [TS]

  Michael Chabon speak with David Mitchell [TS]

  who's the author of the cloud atlas and [TS]

  he's a very interesting man in person oh [TS]

  yeah now that that was almost one of my [TS]

  books tonight and I had a feeling you [TS]

  were going to pick it so I just went [TS]

  after getting but it's yeah it's [TS]

  fantastic and it has possibly my [TS]

  favorite ikea joke anywhere [TS]

  si si it's not it's not boring at all [TS]

  it's got ikea jokes in it it's that [TS]

  funny and goal and a golem and I'm glad [TS]

  that you you pictures because i think [TS]

  you're right that people might be put [TS]

  off because of the culture must be [TS]

  boring and most boring serious not very [TS]

  late exactly it's actually it won the [TS]

  Pulitzer despite being a genre in some [TS]

  ways novel it was fantastic yeah it's [TS]

  like waving off no no prize-winning no [TS]

  boring you know know what read it its [TS]

  it's great [TS]

  he also edited a mix weenies collection [TS]

  of really fun shandra pulpy adventure [TS]

  books i forget her stories i forget the [TS]

  ripping total of its like thrilling [TS]

  yarns or the big ass of the treasury of [TS]

  thrilling and be there to look it up on [TS]

  amazon thrilling [TS]

  it's called the mammoth treasury of [TS]

  thrilling tales it's quite lengthy [TS]

  there's a Zeppelin story a civil war [TS]

  zone [TS]

  oh yeah are those efforts yes yes so [TS]

  it's it's certified that that's him [TS]

  doing all the John's in there it's it's [TS]

  great fun and anytime I can pick nick [TS]

  hornby and michael chabon in the same [TS]

  podcast I'm i'm doing pretty good [TS]

  because those guys are my those are but [TS]

  those are my favs [TS]

  those are my two favorites so alright we [TS]

  are almost out of time but I want to go [TS]

  around and if you have anything left on [TS]

  your list that you want to just mention [TS]

  briefly now is the time to do it well [TS]

  right now I'm reading song of spider-man [TS]

  by glenn burger which is the he was the [TS]

  original writer of the spider-man turn [TS]

  off the dark musical and so this is the [TS]

  inside story of working with julie [TS]

  taymor Bono and the edge and how it all [TS]

  started beautifully and how it all went [TS]

  horribly wrong and the thing that's [TS]

  amazing about it is not that it's that [TS]

  story it's that it's really defensive [TS]

  it's really kind of odd and I don't [TS]

  think he realizes quite how he comes off [TS]

  in it its proper really interesting [TS]

  America do you have any extras i do two [TS]

  quickies and fiction and nonfiction the [TS]

  fiction is another Lloyd biggle junior [TS]

  book the one I didn't pick it's called [TS]

  all the colors of darkness and turn 1963 [TS]

  so little earlier than the other one [TS]

  it is a science fiction private eye [TS]

  detective story about the invention of [TS]

  teleportation so it's pretty cool it's [TS]

  very simple and quick and fun and I like [TS]

  it and the non-fiction book is of course [TS]

  another doctor who book which just came [TS]

  out this year for the 50th anniversary [TS]

  it's called whose 5250 Doctor Who [TS]

  stories to watch before you die and i'm [TS]

  about halfway through it and parts [TS]

  parceling it out in little nuggets to [TS]

  myself because it going through one [TS]

  story every day and I'm loving it so [TS]

  much to authors Graham Burke and robert [TS]

  smith ? he added a ? to his name yes [TS]

  lead on because there are a lot of [TS]

  Robert Smith out there so you had a [TS]

  question mark and that separates you [TS]

  from the rest of the guys but they kind [TS]

  of are you back and forth with each [TS]

  other about the stories sometimes they [TS]

  agree sometimes they don't gives a lot [TS]

  of interesting details in addition to [TS]

  kind of a review is sort of thing but [TS]

  there's some trivia and it's it's [TS]

  fascinating in a really fun quick read [TS]

  Scott you got anything [TS]

  i will pick no not one of the few no [TS]

  picking on you just can't just throw [TS]

  things out now this doesn't come LOL i [TS]

  will i will suggest my phone is actually [TS]

  my list i marked as bonus so it has [TS]

  almost picture one of the few [TS]

  non-fiction books i read this year a [TS]

  cartridge must be destroyed which is [TS]

  about as you might expect the city of [TS]

  Carthage and its relationship with Rome [TS]

  Cato the Elder there's the this famous [TS]

  story the Cato the Elder when he spoke [TS]

  at the Roman Senate he would end every [TS]

  speech no matter what he was talking [TS]

  about with the phrase cartridge must be [TS]

  destroyed because he just hated the city [TS]

  of Carthage as fascinating book it goes [TS]

  into y Carthage was such a threat to the [TS]

  Roman world and kind of questions if it [TS]

  actually was or not and how without [TS]

  Carthage there could be no Roman Empire [TS]

  because the the Romans kind of [TS]

  inexplicable hatred of cartridge really [TS]

  fueled their whole desire to build this [TS]

  great army and these roads and and [TS]

  everything so it's a fascinating book [TS]

  Glenn what do you have [TS]

  well I just thought of this when you [TS]

  mention Kavalier and clay there's a book [TS]

  that is it's not exactly like it's a [TS]

  sleeper book i wonder if I've mentioned [TS]

  it before Carter beats the dance like [TS]

  Len Davis world this is a fine he's a [TS]

  kid he's on Twitter posts like at three [TS]

  hundred day intervals and he piped up [TS]

  about something i said like six months [TS]

  ago responded two i think as i was [TS]

  mentioning his book and I cited inside [TS]

  twitter account it's a book about a [TS]

  magician and it has uh it's just I think [TS]

  it's one of the I think it's fantastic [TS]

  total sleeper never broke out in which i [TS]

  believe Kavalier and clay came out not [TS]

  long after and I think it might have [TS]

  gotten lost in the show there's a [TS]

  magician angle to this and it's michael [TS]

  chabon it went out of control so I don't [TS]

  know but it's a great book [TS]

  the other thing I was gonna mention is [TS]

  another nonfiction that I really struck [TS]

  me this year disappearance of darkness [TS]

  by Robert early which is about the end [TS]

  of the making of analog film and it's a [TS]

  book of wonderful photographs that I [TS]

  went out and shot with large format [TS]

  photographic film which is Messier and [TS]

  he said when he started it was sort of [TS]

  normal to be shooting with that side its [TS]

  kind of film a few years ago for the [TS]

  architectural stuff that he often did [TS]

  and by the end he said I was like a [TS]

  blacksmith carrying around bellows [TS]

  it's just the transition was so fast at [TS]

  the high end and he he managed to our [TS]

  lives in Toronto teaches up there and he [TS]

  went out to the implosion of some kodak [TS]

  factories and round up essentially [TS]

  documenting the implosion and [TS]

  destruction shutdown of photographic [TS]

  film factories around the world and it's [TS]

  a it's both sad and interesting lovely a [TS]

  great stocking stuffer this book full of [TS]

  buildings imploding I think everyone [TS]

  should have in their stocking for [TS]

  christmas who loves film or imploding [TS]

  buildings look it's got a lot of lotion [TS]

  one of those Jason do you have any last [TS]

  it's down to me yes the things that were [TS]

  left on the cutting room floor both of [TS]

  which i think i have at least mentioned [TS]

  in passing on past podcast so i'll [TS]

  mention the main task again that's all [TS]

  again they know what they did [TS]

  always a bridesmaid never but I know [TS]

  inherit the stars by James P Hogan 80 a [TS]

  book that i love it is a very strange [TS]

  book about it's it's a sort of simply [TS]

  written 1970 sci-fi novel written when [TS]

  he was an engineer at digital equipment [TS]

  corporation he made a bet about that he [TS]

  could make a that he could read a sci-fi [TS]

  novel and get it published and he won [TS]

  the BET and insect it's kind of a [TS]

  classic it is a little dated but it's [TS]

  such a great premise which is there some [TS]

  astronauts on the moon and they're [TS]

  walking along and they find a dead body [TS]

  and they don't know where this dead body [TS]

  could possibly have come from because [TS]

  they're on the moon and the answer that [TS]

  they come up with is shocking and cool [TS]

  so it's just a fun it's a fun read and I [TS]

  i met him hehe died recently but I met [TS]

  who useful in my hometown and it's a [TS]

  great coup insulin book chasing yeah [TS]

  that was some isn't letting their i [TS]

  bought a copy of that book for a dollar [TS]

  based on Jason's recommendation you read [TS]

  it [TS]

  no okay but you probably think that my [TS]

  had alright got zero sense for that's a [TS]

  fun it's a fun fun fun book and then the [TS]

  other book i'll recommend is the first [TS]

  in a series they are i think in print [TS]

  but hard to find but i would say seek [TS]

  them out [TS]

  jim lehrer who you may know is the [TS]

  co-anchor of the PBS Newshour for many [TS]

  many years wrote a series of course [TS]

  easy novels set in Oklahoma starting a [TS]

  character called the one-eyed Mac who [TS]

  ends up is the lieutenant governor of [TS]

  Oklahoma although he starts off as a bus [TS]

  pirate speaking of pirates higher up [TS]

  again and I plus pirate because the gym [TS]

  later our house in Oklahoma there are no [TS]

  ships but there are buses so he could [TS]

  become a bus pirate the first book is [TS]

  called kick-the-can I think he wrote 6 1 [TS]

  i'd Mac novels he does end up crown [TS]

  Oklahoma is the second one he ends up as [TS]

  lieutenant governor of Oklahoma they are [TS]

  their wacky in the same way if anybody's [TS]

  read it Winston groom wrote forrest gump [TS]

  the novel it's like that it's funny and [TS]

  weird and you would never expect mr. PBS [TS]

  anchorman to necessarily be the guy [TS]

  writing these crazy colorful hilarious [TS]

  novels but they're they're great and [TS]

  funny and weird and I wish they were [TS]

  more widely available but i did i do [TS]

  think somebody put them back in print a [TS]

  few years ago and so there they are [TS]

  available kick McCann is the first one [TS]

  and they're just they're there who there [TS]

  kick their sweet and funny and strange [TS]

  and and lots of wild you know things [TS]

  that he describes that are happening in [TS]

  these very strange little towns in [TS]

  Oklahoma [TS]

  oh yeah so kick the can is my those are [TS]

  just delightful oh my god good somebody [TS]

  else I've never even found people have [TS]

  ready and I think nobody ever even heard [TS]

  of them but they're great they're [TS]

  hilarious similar alright that's it [TS]

  we're done if you if you don't have [TS]

  anything to read if you're sitting there [TS]

  moaning to yourself and you're like I [TS]

  don't know what to read anymore [TS]

  ok we look we can we've done all we can [TS]

  we have we have provided you with if you [TS]

  count the extras it's like more than 20 [TS]

  books for you to read so pick something [TS]

  out [TS]

  I hope something sounded good put it on [TS]

  your wish list go out and buy it [TS]

  visit your local library and check one [TS]

  out whatever however you want to do it [TS]

  we've got a lot of great ideas they're [TS]

  all over the place a lot of books I've [TS]

  never heard of before which is very [TS]

  exciting to me because I'm gonna go put [TS]

  them on my list too so i think we have [TS]

  done our jobs for now and so I'm going [TS]

  to thank my guests for their excellent [TS]

  excellent choices really kind of blows [TS]

  me away [TS]

  we'll go in order so [TS]

  it starts off with the four-letter word [TS]

  Lisa it's a good word hit me like it and [TS]

  I could be substituted for squares now [TS]

  that's bull Issa thank you i had a lot [TS]

  of fun tonight i'm looking forward to [TS]

  reading a lot of everyone else's pics [TS]

  yeah yeah absolutely [TS]

  David Laura thank you very much thank [TS]

  you i have actually been doing some book [TS]

  shopping while we were talking [TS]

  mmm yes this podcast cost you 50 that is [TS]

  the side effect of these everything [TS]

  Erica and sign thank you for coming back [TS]

  on thank you so much for having me again [TS]

  i have been so kind of woefully out of [TS]

  the loop and reading lately but you guys [TS]

  I think of have managed to take me back [TS]

  into gear and getting back on the horse [TS]

  so many books [TS]

  yeah so many books Scott McNulty so many [TS]

  books I i find it difficult to read on a [TS]

  horse but that's what America more power [TS]

  to you that's what they do in Canada [TS]

  actually there's a lot of course I don't [TS]

  understand can read on a moose in canada [TS]

  the Mounties know the Mounties that's [TS]

  why they're mounted as they are reading [TS]

  other will see they always get their [TS]

  boat helps me improve my balance [TS]

  Glenn fleischmann thank you thank you [TS]

  very much i'm saving up my cleansing for [TS]

  next year I'll be have a whole new set [TS]

  of cleaning to bring in to this fine [TS]

  company i got a signal and actually your [TS]

  choices this dish year were were all [TS]

  sort of like lucid and sensible your [TS]

  choices the last time work or not [TS]

  so what does admit I'm a little [TS]

  disappointed that you didn't pick up i [TS]

  believe last in the last one we actually [TS]

  you pick will you pick that philip k [TS]

  dick galactic pot healer and you know [TS]

  you really even begin you picked like a [TS]

  totally other book and instead or this [TS]

  other one that's my pic instead and it [TS]

  was very confusing and yeah so thank you [TS]

  for for playing by the rules this time I [TS]

  appreciate try to be less listen next [TS]

  time sorry [TS]

  all is forgiven and thanks everybody out [TS]

  there for listing we hope we've given [TS]

  you some great ideas for books to read [TS]

  or put on your holiday list or hour or [TS]

  something I don't know or or whatever [TS]

  you want to do read the books read the [TS]

  books that's our message we got lots of [TS]

  good books out there you should read [TS]

  them and until next time for the [TS]

  comfortable and everybody here I've been [TS]

  your host Jason still see you later [TS]