Roderick on the Line

Ep. 239: "Coming Into My Agency"


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  super train hello hi John hi Merlin [TS]

  how's it going what captain sensible [TS]

  came up like twice this weekend no [TS]

  impossible yeah yeah Paul Shaffer [TS]

  mentioned him on I think wait wait don't [TS]

  tell me so no one wants to be it for [TS]

  watch yes well it's a great video [TS]

  because they do like a conga line all [TS]

  the way through a hospital they just do [TS]

  a retrospective of videos featuring the [TS]

  singer wearing a beret is the thought I [TS]

  just had you got him you get kind of [TS]

  sensible always wore red beret yeah get [TS]

  the guy don't know his name the guy from [TS]

  Survivor beret look yeah see I the [TS]

  tigris throw the fight I think joined a [TS]

  shell frequently wore a beret come [TS]

  listen um what about uh did did toni [TS]

  tennille wear a beret at any point Tony [TS]

  to know mrs. drag yeah oh I got one uh [TS]

  The Walrus guy from Doobie Brothers Jeff [TS]

  oh yes Castro skunk bear Baxter said its [TS]

  combat pastic yeah he wore Bray uh it's [TS]

  true let me think let me think let me [TS]

  think berets braised famous berets [TS]

  name's Roger Alex [TS]

  no I'm not you know it's real early i'm [TS]

  sorry you know what i would draw the [TS]

  question that's all right well I'll [TS]

  think about it and as it as it comes up [TS]

  i'll capture those people make a [TS]

  playlist Groucho Marx in his in his [TS]

  later years not not he was a musician [TS]

  not known primarily for being a musician [TS]

  and yet you know what technically [TS]

  there's videos Lydia Lydia have you seen [TS]

  Lydia Lydia the tattooed lady the video [TS]

  for that yeah he wore brain as later [TS]

  yours but not like a skunk Baxter mmm [TS]

  yeah it's early it's really really early [TS]

  what's the what's the TV show us with [TS]

  the guy uh who was Luke who invented [TS]

  Seinfeld Oh Curb Your Enthusiasm notice [TS]

  you curb your enthusiam curb your [TS]

  enthusiasm Suzy Azam's sir breaker on [TS]

  there uh I don't get who's on there is a [TS]

  shine Nelson's uncle bob is on there [TS]

  yeah yeah super supe de Valle Super Dave [TS]

  Einstein is on there yep yeah he what [TS]

  kind of name is that a Super Dave you [TS]

  know he used to write for The Smothers [TS]

  Brothers with Steve Martin back in the [TS]

  60s yeah no that was a joke that was a [TS]

  pad reference to reference to time ever [TS]

  tell you the story which one story and [TS]

  uh it's really early here it's very [TS]

  early are you on the west coast uh yeah [TS]

  okay yeah so not technically early well [TS]

  uh you know early uh no I was um so [TS]

  Shawn and I were in Palm Springs and we [TS]

  we went to visit my uncle who at the [TS]

  time lived lived in Palm Springs and uh [TS]

  and we were gonna have dinner there he [TS]

  said you know why don't you come have [TS]

  dinner at the house he didn't say that [TS]

  enthusiastically because my uncle didn't [TS]

  he never said anything that [TS]

  enthusiastically and he really didn't [TS]

  care if we joined inverted [TS]

  no but he did but he did uh he did [TS]

  that's right that and as you're playing [TS]

  my uncle yeah okay hey Jenna give an [TS]

  actor line readings legit he does not [TS]

  care if we're having dinner but he is [TS]

  obligated to invite us to dinner and [TS]

  turns out at the time a Bob Einstein [TS]

  Super Dave Osborne and his wife Sean's [TS]

  aunt are also in Palm Springs and so at [TS]

  the time so my uncle hearing this or [TS]

  hearing this says well why don't they [TS]

  come to dinner too and he doesn't [TS]

  doesn't really care if they come to [TS]

  dinner either but be equally nonplussed [TS]

  he's not excited he says bring along [TS]

  some Einsteins he's fine right he's fine [TS]

  he he's not a yeah he actually is a cook [TS]

  he likes to cook so he's gonna be [TS]

  cooking the dinner and that's what he's [TS]

  excited about he's excited it get to [TS]

  cook for people it doesn't he's not [TS]

  interested in me or them okay but they [TS]

  show up super Dave Osborne Bob Einstein [TS]

  very tall guy Shawn's bah aunt is a [TS]

  smaller lady we mill around we're having [TS]

  cocktails it's a nice you know it's a [TS]

  nice experience everybody's enjoying [TS]

  each other and Bob Einstein tells a [TS]

  story about the fact that his the reason [TS]

  his brother is Albert Brooks L Brooks is [TS]

  his brother and he said that his father [TS]

  named him Albert Einstein yeah that's [TS]

  why I had the stage name Albert Brooks [TS]

  right that's a good story since a great [TS]

  great story tell it at cocktail parties [TS]

  sure but then my uncle is standing there [TS]

  holding a drink in his hand migos [TS]

  Einstein Einstein what kind of name is [TS]

  that ions time hmm and it wouldn't there [TS]

  wasn't a lot of in addition to probably [TS]

  not knowing who any of the people are [TS]

  that we were talking about there was a [TS]

  time when that was a very normal [TS]

  question to ask in America that's right [TS]

  not all that happy question but it was [TS]

  not at all unusual to ask questions like [TS]

  you don't do this so much today but to [TS]

  say to someone [TS]

  like where are you from yeah what kind [TS]

  of name is that or or weekly name is [TS]

  that and and my my uncle who had a [TS]

  Scandinavian last name um it was a he [TS]

  was exhibiting the kind of casual [TS]

  anti-semitism that used to be very very [TS]

  popular among the white Anglo impossibly [TS]

  casual like a well-worn windbreaker yeah [TS]

  just that sort of golf club set the type [TS]

  of people that donated money to the Art [TS]

  Museum although the art museum was [TS]

  actually probably paid for largely by [TS]

  the the you know the the benefactors who [TS]

  probably the top three givers were Jews [TS]

  sure you meet somebody you meet a [TS]

  multiracial child and yes it is she [TS]

  adopted Yeah right or yeah right because [TS]

  you see the video of the lady running on [TS]

  screen to get the kids off the BBC [TS]

  program everybody assumes the [TS]

  housekeeper of the house what kinda name [TS]

  is that what kind of name is that and [TS]

  Super Dave uh Bob Einstein you know he [TS]

  he's not fair he's really dry he's very [TS]

  dry for Palm Springs he's a very dry man [TS]

  yep not it was you know non plus he's [TS]

  been fielding that stuff his whole life [TS]

  I'm sure but boy sean and i made hay out [TS]

  of it uh for many many many hours [TS]

  driving across America what kind of [TS]

  names the kind of name is that all right [TS]

  time there's not really that many [TS]

  situations where that has anything less [TS]

  than anything better than a neutral [TS]

  meaning yeah yeah nope that's not the [TS]

  kind of it's almost like you know it's [TS]

  the classic like seeing a black kid on a [TS]

  bike and going did you steal that you [TS]

  know it's a good thing is he's in Palm [TS]

  Springs you know it's not like it's not [TS]

  like there are any Jews in Palm Springs [TS]

  huh I mean he knows what kind of name it [TS]

  is yeah uh but yeah just to kind of [TS]

  funny at one time one time at Christmas [TS]

  many years ago when I was in my 20s I [TS]

  was at Christmas at a giant family [TS]

  gathering [TS]

  I was going through a little bit of a [TS]

  phase and and I started holding court [TS]

  and I've been on my family of course you [TS]

  holding court isn't unusual stand there [TS]

  you start talking a group of people [TS]

  gathers pretty soon you're holding so [TS]

  some people play cards huh it's wewe my [TS]

  family traditions were stand around the [TS]

  piano and sing and the four people that [TS]

  could sing would carry the the twelve [TS]

  people that couldn't sing but everybody [TS]

  loved to sing stand around the piano and [TS]

  saying we had a whole song book of [TS]

  family songs but sit around and sing [TS]

  well he songs from 1910 that was one [TS]

  thing we all did always that family [TS]

  gatherings but then you know various [TS]

  people would hold court and and I you [TS]

  know I was in my mid-20s oh I was just [TS]

  really coming into my uh my type of [TS]

  holding court the court years right now [TS]

  it's you know it's the my number one [TS]

  activity but then I was just I was brand [TS]

  new and I said you know my theory is [TS]

  that um you know that we're uh because [TS]

  I'm talking to a group people the common [TS]

  bond with whom are the rod Chester [TS]

  family the Roderick's were kind of some [TS]

  Welsh interlopers that got in there at [TS]

  the last minute but the rochesters were [TS]

  the you know that's the that's our [TS]

  connection to all of our at least one of [TS]

  my father's side all of the waspey [TS]

  heritage and I said my theory is really [TS]

  that this is an Ellis Island story that [TS]

  our family really is an Ellis Island [TS]

  story and changed our name from you know [TS]

  from Rothstein to Rochester at Ellis [TS]

  Island and then made up this enormous [TS]

  backstory but really I feel much more [TS]

  akin to the Jews than to Christians and [TS]

  I really feel that that you know there [TS]

  are sort of like our family nature just [TS]

  suggests to me that we are that we're [TS]

  probably much more likely Eastern [TS]

  European Jews than we are whatever you [TS]

  know Episcopalian you know may flee [TS]

  Mayflower types that we that that [TS]

  our family mythology has sort of laid [TS]

  out for and I'm holding forth and you [TS]

  know everybody under 50 who's listening [TS]

  to me is listening to me with this kind [TS]

  of like these pinched faces squinty eyes [TS]

  trying to grasp what I'm saying but [TS]

  everybody over 50 is emphatically like [TS]

  no not the story that is not the story [TS]

  at all and I had a I had an excellent [TS]

  like 20 minutes onstage in my uncle's [TS]

  living room parrying these 70 year olds [TS]

  I was like well you know the thing about [TS]

  an Ellis Island story is really unclear [TS]

  you know you can never really know [TS]

  mm-hmm they were like I usually isn't [TS]

  know you're so wise you scam know and [TS]

  you know there are a lot of family [TS]

  bibles that have to know that are there [TS]

  maybe maybe fill in the gaps but at 20 [TS]

  we will do like illuminate the situation [TS]

  by describing things like history and [TS]

  philosophy and really ontology like how [TS]

  we even know what we know epistemology [TS]

  like were you able to like really lay [TS]

  off them in a way cuz they're probably [TS]

  not not as smart as you like you were a [TS]

  probably to really bring bring bring [TS]

  some sophistication to the discussion of [TS]

  their lives I was really really in the [TS]

  middle of being in college at the time a [TS]

  lot of people when they're 24 years old [TS]

  or no longer in college you know they're [TS]

  already in the workforce you've gone pro [TS]

  but I had decided that College was where [TS]

  I was going to live for for the next 15 [TS]

  years and so I really had some college [TS]

  words and had read some college books [TS]

  this was you know this was the heyday of [TS]

  college Oh coach was huge and so if I [TS]

  mean you I might be a little late here [TS]

  we're a little bit separated but we're [TS]

  talking about like everything was [TS]

  postmodern you get the structuralism [TS]

  like oh there are so many different [TS]

  angles to explain how people older than [TS]

  you don't get it mmm third-wave feminism [TS]

  Oh enforcing it sister that was a big [TS]

  deal right Camille Paglia was out there [TS]

  not being issues she's saying she was up [TS]

  wasn't a feminine [TS]

  hmm that mom Kapow so it was a it was a [TS]

  big time right all sex was great it was [TS]

  uh doing as I and roots working yep [TS]

  that's right that's right good good way [TS]

  way to grab that reference yeah you got [TS]

  auntie Dworkin yeah Camille palea now [TS]

  who is the net Naomi Campbell no no my [TS]

  weekend Naomi I gave me wats yeah I [TS]

  she's the one who wrote that other [TS]

  feminist book was popular in the early [TS]

  nineties that's right and I think it's [TS]

  always Camille palio was uh that [TS]

  generations uh you know uh you know uh [TS]

  dr. what's her name dr. what's her name [TS]

  you know like she's just doing she's [TS]

  everywhere I'm talking about dr. Joyce [TS]

  brothers yeah that's unclear do you like [TS]

  exactly what her profession was apart [TS]

  from talking about what her profession [TS]

  was she was trying to Charles Nelson [TS]

  Reilly of that era and then I think you [TS]

  pivot you get a Camille palea and she [TS]

  would ya I'm she show up for a like a [TS]

  you know Carlotta opening uh Camille [TS]

  Paglia I think for two years there yeah [TS]

  right didn't sleep she said she'd sleep [TS]

  and she's dead that's right so we're [TS]

  third way they call it because she was [TS]

  everywhere well here's another question [TS]

  what did it need a Bryant do lose her [TS]

  job I need a Bryant was he was like an [TS]

  orange juice flowers later she was [TS]

  originally a singer from that era where [TS]

  there were lots of ladies singer she was [TS]

  she was kind of like a less talented [TS]

  Rosemary Clooney I think Rosemary [TS]

  Clooney from Cincinnati very good singer [TS]

  yes not work today but Rosemary Clooney [TS]

  was was a very good singer she was [TS]

  George Clooney's amped that's right [TS]

  that's right in and my parents were [TS]

  friends with nick nick clooney mmhmm [TS]

  yeah yep yeah what is nice lesser-known [TS]

  oh cincinnati he was the ball or Clooney [TS]

  everybody knew Nick clin because he had [TS]

  TV show on the TV oh I thought you were [TS]

  gonna say he was a pontiac dealer but he [TS]

  had a he had a TV show nick clooney nick [TS]

  clooney nicolino my grandfather worked [TS]

  at a car dealership but that was an [TS]

  older time in Cincinnati what I want to [TS]

  get to you though is that you I think [TS]

  the important thing here is being [TS]

  somebody who is a professional college [TS]

  student and he has had access to so many [TS]

  new thought technologies you would be [TS]

  doing you love your family nominally you [TS]

  would be doing them a disservice not to [TS]

  update them on what they think they [TS]

  understand about life [TS]

  p nation have leaving them in that in [TS]

  that Rousseau Ian state like you need to [TS]

  get in there and straighten them out the [TS]

  number one thing i did was was explained [TS]

  that if you clear cut the forests uh [TS]

  where would the animals live right but [TS]

  we throw something away where's a way [TS]

  well no not bad because it was much more [TS]

  specifically about clear-cutting for us [TS]

  because of course my uncle uh the the [TS]

  the self-same uncle i'll use it what [TS]

  weyerhaeuser uh yeah he went at the time [TS]

  he was president of macmillan bloedel [TS]

  Canada's largest timberland Bledel so [TS]

  you're going way beyond exotic hardwoods [TS]

  here you're talking about is the whole [TS]

  enterprise where yeah we're saying like [TS]

  not only are we taking all the trees [TS]

  down from Alaska to Seattle any any [TS]

  anywhere along the Canadian Coast there [TS]

  that you can't see from the road we're [TS]

  gonna steal all the trees yet all but [TS]

  also Brazil they were Barry pioneering [TS]

  exotic hardwoods David and they do they [TS]

  call clear-cutting yes clear-cutting is [TS]

  what they would call it that was a [TS]

  popular Christmas time conversation [TS]

  topic to you get it it's when everybody [TS]

  would sit down at the table and I would [TS]

  go where are the animals gonna live boy [TS]

  that was a nice that was that was just [TS]

  uh you could hear the you could hear the [TS]

  forks dropping on those lee i went [TS]

  yesterday to the former where Howser [TS]

  headquarters which when it was built in [TS]

  the late 60s was like a pioneering [TS]

  building like it was a it was [TS]

  ecologically constructed it was open [TS]

  plan it was built with the integrated [TS]

  with the environment in order to be the [TS]

  most pleasant possible workspace it was [TS]

  really a pioneering building if you look [TS]

  it up where Howser headquarters not the [TS]

  new one but the old one you'll see that [TS]

  it is a but it's a wonderful structure [TS]

  and its iconic here in the northwest [TS]

  because you can see it from the [TS]

  interstate as you're driving south it's [TS]

  out in the middle of nowhere you're [TS]

  driving along all of a sudden there's [TS]

  this gap in the trees and you see this [TS]

  enormous building kind of out in the [TS]

  distance its enormous wide [TS]

  more than it is tall and you go what the [TS]

  hell is that and then the then the gap [TS]

  closes as you drive and you're like and [TS]

  you never see it again and a lot of [TS]

  people are have never never figured out [TS]

  what it is but it was the warehouse or [TS]

  building and it's surrounded by 500 [TS]

  acres of like exotic rhododendrons it's [TS]

  it said there's a bonsai museum out [TS]

  there with Wow bonsai trees from there's [TS]

  a bonsai bonsai tree that started [TS]

  growing in 1500 uh and I and I went [TS]

  there because we're house are just built [TS]

  a brand new headquarters right in the [TS]

  center of downtown Seattle in fact right [TS]

  in the center of downtown Seattle where [TS]

  they didn't tear down a single building [TS]

  but they built it on top of some old [TS]

  shitty parking lots so in that sense and [TS]

  it's like right in pioneer square it's [TS]

  totally changing what pioneer square [TS]

  does this is some inside Seattle golf [TS]

  but anyway this warehouse our building [TS]

  is now completely empty absolutely not a [TS]

  stick of furniture in it and its design [TS]

  it was always designed to be looked [TS]

  through right it's glass on both sides [TS]

  so you can walk around it and just look [TS]

  through the entire building five or six [TS]

  storeys completely empty huh and it's a [TS]

  real head trip I was I because it's a [TS]

  you know it's a massive place the campus [TS]

  of it and I really really I had two [TS]

  thoughts one it's a for the next year or [TS]

  so until they lease it again somebody [TS]

  needs to use it as the set of a science [TS]

  fiction film I can't believe that as it [TS]

  wasn't why is it sitting there empty [TS]

  what's up with that well I think this [TS]

  year their headquarters are a federal [TS]

  way washington yeah that's in federal [TS]

  way washington that's right down there [TS]

  by by tacoma okay i think what it is is [TS]

  there are very few companies in the [TS]

  world that can that really need a campus [TS]

  with that much square footage uh-huh and [TS]

  particularly one because the fashion [TS]

  right now is for [TS]

  urban campuses you want more of like an [TS]

  artisanal pop-up paper company yeah you [TS]

  want your company to be there so that so [TS]

  you can attract all those hip young [TS]

  engineers who want to unify in Portland [TS]

  that part of town where all the paper [TS]

  trucks go so I lunchtime you can go get [TS]

  some paper from a truck yeah you know [TS]

  what about it you get pulp you know you [TS]

  get Lebanese paper you get thai paper [TS]

  mm-hmm but so I think that eventually it [TS]

  won't be long before some radical [TS]

  startup type person decides that what he [TS]

  or she wants to do is have their company [TS]

  be out in the woods of federal way [TS]

  living or working in like it's like a [TS]

  space building mm-hmm right now that's [TS]

  not what's happening right now companies [TS]

  are buying old warehouses in in cool [TS]

  part of town that's just that's just the [TS]

  time it won't last I I wanted to start a [TS]

  startup Merlin just just to have my [TS]

  company work at that building I think I [TS]

  think the building is the company right [TS]

  the building's the start you know uh I'm [TS]

  interested in this idea very interested [TS]

  because frequently when you go to a [TS]

  website nowadays used to be every site [TS]

  you know would have about us and now [TS]

  frequently you might see in about us but [TS]

  frequently you'll see a section entitled [TS]

  our story our store our story and so you [TS]

  want to talk about how not just how [TS]

  you're coming let's not be let's not be [TS]

  mercantil about this you want to talk [TS]

  about the life-changing event or [TS]

  philosophical breakthrough or [TS]

  problematic problem that you had to deal [TS]

  with the cause you to need to make this [TS]

  company right you know I'm saying it's [TS]

  like oh you had to do it you had to do [TS]

  it it's beyond a mission that's a [TS]

  different section you go mission [TS]

  statement that's a different section but [TS]

  our story is where you talk about your [TS]

  journey so yeah journey begins with [TS]

  needing to fill a billing building up [TS]

  with people see that's our story that's [TS]

  your story what's our story i saw this [TS]

  building i needed to fill it up maybe [TS]

  that's the startup maybe the startup is [TS]

  that we flee sweet you know what here's [TS]

  the thing it's got a little bit of real [TS]

  estate management it's got a little bit [TS]

  of VC maybe your startup is I wouldn't [TS]

  call it building fillers we're gonna [TS]

  need a better name of that [TS]

  basically your entire business is based [TS]

  on funding businesses to fill in [TS]

  existing places so you could for example [TS]

  turn a bunch of old taco bell's and [TS]

  pizza hut's into dentists offices hmm [TS]

  but see that's the thing is you want to [TS]

  go you go wide you want to go deep right [TS]

  it could be a beautiful glass building [TS]

  you know or it could be loco taco over [TS]

  here that needs to be repurposed [TS]

  actually the people that bought this [TS]

  building that is their business they buy [TS]

  old offices they buy big old offices and [TS]

  turn them into offices Wow right wow [TS]

  that's there the whole company is based [TS]

  on buying old offices and turn them into [TS]

  offices just do my mind and I read this [TS]

  I read this article as I was trying to [TS]

  research the place that I was and I was [TS]

  like how do I get into that racket and [TS]

  what what they do is they take other [TS]

  people's money they buy big office [TS]

  complexes and then they turn them into [TS]

  offices and then they slay wrentham or [TS]

  sell them for money they pay the other [TS]

  people the people that there's money [TS]

  they use they I guess they pay them back [TS]

  somehow and then whatever money is left [TS]

  over is their money that's their [TS]

  business I don't know about the paying [TS]

  the money back part let's wait for that [TS]

  we don't get you like to see on shark [TS]

  tank we're pre-revenue right now but I'm [TS]

  very intrigued in the idea of a company [TS]

  it's a it's a real lean startup where [TS]

  the idea is the very first thing is we [TS]

  need to get us into a building and once [TS]

  we get into a building we bring in you [TS]

  i'm gonna call them building affiliates [TS]

  and now those people going to go out and [TS]

  find other they're going to start [TS]

  they're going to need to get into [TS]

  buildings right to create more [TS]

  opportunities to help people get it's [TS]

  not it's not a pyramid scheme it's more [TS]

  of an inverted triangle unless we can [TS]

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  mean think about it k those buildings [TS]

  are empty game changed okay right that's [TS]

  literally it you know what I'm like a [TS]

  lie to you it's not a scheme it's a [TS]

  pyramid program that's right it's a [TS]

  pyramid we have we find empty or disused [TS]

  pyramids we renovate them and then you [TS]

  fill that up and then you now you build [TS]

  up your they call it your downline [TS]

  you're going to go now and get other [TS]

  people into future pyramids so steering [TS]

  instance here's a person there they [TS]

  started let's say they started a [TS]

  snapchat and they're thinking oh I want [TS]

  to have my office headquartered in in [TS]

  Venice California you say nun and have [TS]

  you considered the Yucatan have you [TS]

  considered the Yucatan I can put you [TS]

  into a whole complex [TS]

  business park basically with of pyramids [TS]

  and it'll be very cost competitive very [TS]

  competitive with what you would pay in [TS]

  business I think that's how you start [TS]

  that's how you start generating some [TS]

  cash flow or at least interest you're [TS]

  generating you're generating some some [TS]

  interest cuz first you need to tickle [TS]

  their buying bone don't you think you [TS]

  got to get them are you can go to a [TS]

  pivot right you got to get them out of [TS]

  their current mindset and you get a [TS]

  little pivot you can thinking about [TS]

  pyramids well sure and you think like oh [TS]

  you're trying to attract some young [TS]

  software engineers who just got out of [TS]

  college and you're saying I'll live on [TS]

  Venice Beach you know there's a Nathan's [TS]

  Famous hotdog stand or whatever you can [TS]

  write cycle back and forth worth or move [TS]

  to move to the Yucatan Peninsula and [TS]

  live in a historic campus surrounded by [TS]

  like low jungle there are some sin otays [TS]

  mmm we can scuba dive all the way to the [TS]

  seventh level of hell oh that is plano [TS]

  right there are gigantic lizards and you [TS]

  never have to see your parents again [TS]

  John that is so much more interesting [TS]

  than like playing frisbee polo and [TS]

  venice beach with all due respect let's [TS]

  see I'm just you know so we're we we [TS]

  turned that we turn that property right [TS]

  we go around the world think of all the [TS]

  pyramids there are 0 look on my works ye [TS]

  mighty and despair what it's gonna take [TS]

  for me to get you on this pyramid today [TS]

  and almost every pyramid I can guarantee [TS]

  you is empty right now well you know [TS]

  it's this is the thing this is there's [TS]

  so many angles to this first of all [TS]

  every one of these dingaling CEOs wants [TS]

  to eventually become I mean you know [TS]

  we're looking today at Elon Musk we're [TS]

  looking at a looking at a musk we're [TS]

  looking at the suckers burg you look at [TS]

  any of these guys are obviously all [TS]

  modeling themselves on previous [TS]

  generations of CEOs and supervillains [TS]

  there's a question about that and so now [TS]

  we look at that he's going to space did [TS]

  it but but they all kind of want to be [TS]

  the kind of want to be David Branson [TS]

  they kind of want to be Blofeld and like [TS]

  you say to them look it's a pyramid it's [TS]

  pyramid you're gonna have to fill this [TS]

  with all kinds of stuff or you know what [TS]

  you fill it with nothing you or maybe [TS]

  you put more pyramids inside what's your [TS]

  I like the affiliate what's your on your [TS]

  own affiliate downline you decide how to [TS]

  run that operation fill it with nothing [TS]

  oh oh oh my gosh free shipping on amazon [TS]

  prime nothing i'm i see myself now [TS]

  or you and I I'm sorry because we just [TS]

  found it this business together but [TS]

  we're we are gonna feeling I'm gonna be [TS]

  the ender Garfield character I guess [TS]

  thought I'm gonna get pushed out I mean [TS]

  vinkel Winklevoss us yeah you might be a [TS]

  Winklevoss you know the winklevosses and [TS]

  the and the Garfield they got paid [TS]

  pretty well is that right yeah I think [TS]

  so I mean not you know maybe they didn't [TS]

  make this yoga in that movie but don't [TS]

  know who it is it's um it's the guy from [TS]

  that boy band it's not Jonah Hill it's [TS]

  uh it's just just in just 24 wiseman [TS]

  justin bieber flee yeah justin bieber [TS]

  flake that's the one uh he's in that [TS]

  movie that's right and he's the guy that [TS]

  founded Napster and now he's the one who [TS]

  ruined your career John last night no [TS]

  two nights ago I was at a party and a [TS]

  guy oh I'm sorry I lady comes over to me [TS]

  sits down next so anyway I show up to [TS]

  this party I haven't I didn't it's a [TS]

  party where you pay some money for the [TS]

  ticket and you come and you get a steak [TS]

  dinner oh and uh and a friend of mine [TS]

  was going to the party and said you got [TS]

  to come to the party and I was like yeah [TS]

  I did I didn't want to go to the party I [TS]

  didn't want to buy a ticket I didn't [TS]

  want to go is the thing and then the [TS]

  last minute I said all right I'll go to [TS]

  the party and my friend said well you [TS]

  don't have ticket I was like don't you [TS]

  let me handle that so we get to the [TS]

  party and I you know and my friend has [TS]

  an assigned seat right it's assigned [TS]

  seating at these teas round tables table [TS]

  number for table number five etc etc [TS]

  this is so confusing i'm sorry it's a [TS]

  charity event it's a charity event okay [TS]

  all right we say party i'm thinking yeah [TS]

  okay well let's say you know it's a the [TS]

  thing is all these auctions nowadays [TS]

  they present themselves as parties right [TS]

  sugar dancing it's like it's fun there's [TS]

  a silent auction your water an auction [TS]

  and parties clothing you know I hate [TS]

  these things yeah I hate them because [TS]

  ninety nine percent of the things I [TS]

  don't want right I don't want a basket [TS]

  of wine I don't wanna I don't want a [TS]

  bath stick of cheese I don't want any [TS]

  kind of astok I don't want to I don't [TS]

  want to bid 2,500 dollars on like a ride [TS]

  around the lake on somebody's boat you [TS]

  know I don't want any [TS]

  we we had the school auction this [TS]

  weekend and you know he looked it's a [TS]

  company store it's the company store [TS]

  right so my wife my wife she led the [TS]

  production of her of our my daughter's [TS]

  classrooms project to sell at the [TS]

  auction so she basically yeah so here's [TS]

  the thing she basically paid for and [TS]

  helped create the piece of art she [TS]

  worked at the auction Saturday night and [TS]

  do you want to make any guesses about [TS]

  who bought the art mmm let's see was it [TS]

  your what she should be working in the [TS]

  development team for pyramids pyramids [TS]

  pyramids were calling it my mom you said [TS]

  she gets the recursive nature of this [TS]

  about the about those bake sales and [TS]

  stuff you know like in this case you [TS]

  gotta go to this party and like you know [TS]

  what can I just how about instead I give [TS]

  you two hundred dollars not at home that [TS]

  was always always what my mom said ship [TS]

  because they used to pay for this stuff [TS]

  with bake sales there weren't auctions [TS]

  when we were kids right there were bake [TS]

  sales every every well let's be honest [TS]

  every mom would make a casserole or a [TS]

  cake or a pie yeah and then they set up [TS]

  tables in the gym and and the pies and [TS]

  cakes would be all around and they need [TS]

  well I guess walk around and what just [TS]

  buy them or was there bidding I don't [TS]

  remember what I got some cases you can [TS]

  have like a bass dick lunch and if you [TS]

  want to impress the lady I learned this [TS]

  on Gilmore Girls if you want to get [TS]

  somebody's particular Bostick then you [TS]

  bid on them and that by proxy proxy [TS]

  becomes your affection for them oh it's [TS]

  like The Bachelor auction at in [TS]

  Groundhog Day yeah same thing yeah my [TS]

  mom would always say I don't want to [TS]

  make a cake I don't want to make a pie I [TS]

  don't want to go to this thing can I [TS]

  just give you two hundred dollars and [TS]

  they were like ah you don't you just [TS]

  don't understand this is like a you know [TS]

  it's fun it should be fun yeah I'm doing [TS]

  I'm doing a fun run do you want to fund [TS]

  me and I can I just give you twenty [TS]

  dollars and we stop talking yeah like I [TS]

  don't want I don't want to say anything [TS]

  I don't want to get emails about this I [TS]

  don't want to be put on a list that's [TS]

  the thing John you sign up for any of [TS]

  these things you get put on a list well [TS]

  I'm already on those lists I'm on those [TS]

  lists well tell you what tell you I I [TS]

  don't know I thing is I'm probably be [TS]

  pushed out maybe by the end of this [TS]

  program but I'm here to tell you [TS]

  pyramids pyramids pyramids will never [TS]

  contact you without your express [TS]

  permission well I mean you nothing less [TS]

  we have to pivot we have to pivot to [TS]

  wash if you want to unsubscribe it's [TS]

  right down there at the bottom where [TS]

  unsubscribe it says adjust your [TS]

  preferences you can adjust adjust your [TS]

  privacy preferences and then somewhere [TS]

  in there if you click on that you're [TS]

  going to find somewhere an opportunity [TS]

  to unsubscribe where when you click on [TS]

  it it's going to say are you sure you [TS]

  want to unsubscribe have you really [TS]

  consider really serious and here's the [TS]

  other thing pyramids pyramids pyramids [TS]

  way too long what if we shorten to that [TS]

  to your rate for this pyramids cubed oh [TS]

  whoa how are we gonna spell pyramids [TS]

  that's the big question we're gonna have [TS]

  to spell it funny I think we have to [TS]

  remove okay well let me type but I'm [TS]

  running with tomorrow some vowels uh-huh [TS]

  pyramids in this case is why vowel I [TS]

  mean this is one of those instances [TS]

  AEIOU and sometimes why that's why I [TS]

  think this is a sometime situation r.a.m [TS]

  Franz right Oh pyramids p ee r 0 period [TS]

  pwa are am I d z mmhmm yeah and I have [TS]

  to I have to write that out time you [TS]

  tell guess i'll text to you ok it's [TS]

  here's what I've got so far we're just [TS]

  workshopping this p e e r am ID and i'm [TS]

  going with z cuz i think that's gonna be [TS]

  easier it's gonna be easier to copyright [TS]

  go and i'll go ahead I feel like what I [TS]

  feel like the Z makes it seem like it [TS]

  like an Australian children's band this [TS]

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  the great shows right what I want here's [TS]

  Eddie yeah no no I hear ya I hear ya I [TS]

  think there should be a why I think it [TS]

  should be P my DZ nopee [TS]

  ye are my D s p/e are why no my dear [TS]

  pyramids do you have an a in there no [TS]

  way just pyramids d ee are my D Z not [TS]

  Zee I feel like the Z Zed Zed is a biz [TS]

  in Australia too far pyramids can we [TS]

  capitalize the ant ah okay all right I [TS]

  Capital idea p ER capital m why do yes [TS]

  pyramids hey like a website you would [TS]

  have to log into with you we're going to [TS]

  see an oncologist think it's true this [TS]

  is your Dutch cancer doctor kids dr. [TS]

  Pierre mins they're worse on a lot of [TS]

  levels so you know we don't know any way [TS]

  so I went to this dinner oh yeah and I [TS]

  leaned up again so I get there and my [TS]

  friends like well I'm sitting at table [TS]

  for what are you gonna do and I was like [TS]

  do you know let me let me worry about [TS]

  that you go sit you have your steak [TS]

  dinner on let's go remote you got your [TS]

  way in yet have you gone mad I'm in [TS]

  because you know they can't it's an open [TS]

  you go to a check-in desk when you walk [TS]

  in but that's honor system stone right [TS]

  and the thing is i see i see the thing [TS]

  about this is that i donated an electric [TS]

  guitar to this auction I'm not an [TS]

  expensive electric guitar in fact an [TS]

  electric guitar that is it was a [TS]

  signature model of a certain kind of [TS]

  artist and actually signed by that [TS]

  artist an artist you may remember by the [TS]

  name of Matthew sweet Matthew Sweet is [TS]

  is it one of those double cutaways [TS]

  that's a double cutaway guitar yes yes [TS]

  somewhat suspect it's a special model [TS]

  specify your relationship with the [TS]

  Gibson company John as my relationship [TS]

  with a guitar company not the Gibson [TS]

  company [TS]

  we made a matthew sweet signature model [TS]

  guitar signed signed on the in the [TS]

  sticker on the inside the factory want [TS]

  nothing more than to make you your dream [TS]

  guitar that's all they do all day long [TS]

  is want to make your dream guitar but [TS]

  you can't make your dream guitar there's [TS]

  no ski they don't ask you for it they [TS]

  don't have asked you for it I've got [TS]

  down there I've been there I've walked [TS]

  around I've asked them interesting [TS]

  questions about think about that story [TS]

  and it still breaks my heart to think [TS]

  about it yeah they're in there still [TS]

  probably smoking those cigarettes down [TS]

  to their knuckles and making guitars [TS]

  it's not like it's not like they don't [TS]

  want to do it they want to do that [TS]

  they're luthiers as for us is right [TS]

  there there Martin Luther's they wanted [TS]

  they want to make you a guitar they do [TS]

  they want to make this guitar for me I [TS]

  make or not because there's not as cute [TS]

  yes q that's not how it wasn't a 50 60 [TS]

  70 s 80s 90s sorry Scotty Moore can't [TS]

  make you a guitar we don't have asked [TS]

  you yeah that's how it is now sickening [TS]

  in any case I leaned up against the wall [TS]

  in the back of the room uh with the [TS]

  waiters right the waiters are up against [TS]

  the wall they're watching they're you [TS]

  know they're getting ready to serve [TS]

  salad course I start chit chattin with [TS]

  some waiters hey what's up how's it [TS]

  going you know oh good good yeah sweet a [TS]

  nice night right no this is hobbin [TS]

  beside lived my whole life chit chattin [TS]

  with the waiters there that that's my [TS]

  friend class right my friend class is [TS]

  not the donor class it's the way to [TS]

  class mmm then the woman who is putting [TS]

  on the event walked by she doesn't [TS]

  really walk by so much as she glides by [TS]

  and she sees me standing there talking [TS]

  the waiters and she stops and she goes [TS]

  John hello nice suit because of course [TS]

  you know this is how you get in right [TS]

  you kind of know somebody I say I'm good [TS]

  I'm good how are you good we talk we [TS]

  chat she says thank you for the guitar I [TS]

  go anytime listen I want to fund this [TS]

  program as much as you do and then she [TS]

  says by way of ending the conversation [TS]

  because she's headed off on an important [TS]

  mission huh she she know she kind of [TS]

  puts one hand in the small of my back as [TS]

  though to guide me to my table and she [TS]

  says where you see where you sit let me [TS]

  let me walk you over I don't think she I [TS]

  think you know she's a maven right she [TS]

  wants to walk me over because she wants [TS]

  to see who else is sitting at the table [TS]

  so she can you know make introductions [TS]

  she sometimes about the connections in [TS]

  the networking and the people that's [TS]

  right and so she doesn't want to just [TS]

  say why don't you get to your table oh [TS]

  I'll be right there or you know I have [TS]

  other business to do she wants to walk [TS]

  me to the table and say oh you know [TS]

  Maisie Glotz do you know John Roderick [TS]

  you're sitting in the same table and [TS]

  then I go oh hello Maisie of course I [TS]

  know amazing yep it's it's own fun or [TS]

  just keep kids take it back to that same [TS]

  crook listen that's right at you know [TS]

  Muhammad magnet so and you know and then [TS]

  I then then it would be an opportunity [TS]

  for me to say oh I know they go way back [TS]

  with a glass all the glass I know like [TS]

  wants us to so I say um I don't have a [TS]

  table you know I just kind of I just [TS]

  kind of waltzed in here honestly I [TS]

  didn't expect to come i was just waltz [TS]

  in it and and this is the thing but when [TS]

  we talk about when we talk about [TS]

  unchecked privileged boy it's really a [TS]

  thing and then there's the kind of [TS]

  privilege that you're very aware of and [TS]

  just have no interest in checking and [TS]

  then there are the and then there's the [TS]

  kind of privilege where you just donated [TS]

  a guitar to an auction yeah and she says [TS]

  oh let's find your table and so she [TS]

  waltzes me over oh so she but she's so [TS]

  she's not put off by this not not even [TS]

  you know she's she's the consummate [TS]

  hostess right chef link and I of course [TS]

  you came without having done anything of [TS]

  course you decided to come here four [TS]

  minutes ago and just decided to come it [TS]

  was not was not inhibited at all by not [TS]

  having a ticket but but just came right [TS]

  so she won but she's the she's the big [TS]

  wheel right so she starts looking around [TS]

  the room and she goes hah there's a [TS]

  table over there with an open seat and [TS]

  she walks me over and of course she [TS]

  knows everybody at the table you know [TS]

  them you know the so and so's in the [TS]

  zone zones and she sits me down and next [TS]

  to a guy and it turns out he's the CFO [TS]

  of Napster hmm what and I said no he was [TS]

  the CFO of Napster know so he so I sit [TS]

  down on it and this is this is our [TS]

  introduced and he goes hey and I say [TS]

  Napster is the thing and he goes yeah [TS]

  Napster has been purchased by [TS]

  absa d and I think it's well so it still [TS]

  exists in some form okay and uh and so [TS]

  all of a sudden I go from leaning [TS]

  against the wall with the waiters to [TS]

  talking about how Napster ruin the music [TS]

  business but of course he probably get [TS]

  that much know what the thing is that he [TS]

  is you know he's come into it yeah i [TS]

  mean the the the music industry had [TS]

  already been ruined two more times after [TS]

  that probably by the time he came in i'm [TS]

  sure that's a fundamentally different [TS]

  content provider than Napster was well [TS]

  sure and you know and at the time he was [TS]

  in a different line of work uh-huh right [TS]

  he did he's not him he's not a music [TS]

  person he's a financial person sure he [TS]

  was you know he was working for [TS]

  macmillan bloedel and now he doesn't now [TS]

  there's no institutional memory of when [TS]

  Napster ruined the music business now [TS]

  everybody's streaming we're all [TS]

  streaming mm-hmm telephony streaming [TS]

  mm-hmm that's right and so so and the [TS]

  streaming people feel like they're doing [TS]

  musicians a great service mm-hmm so so [TS]

  he was excited to talk about he was [TS]

  excited to talk about all the things [TS]

  that he wasn't going to do specifically [TS]

  for me but what he was doing generally [TS]

  for free free kind yeah for the world of [TS]

  music yeah so it was very you know it [TS]

  was like talk about talk about pop music [TS]

  mm-hmm gosh yeah New York London Paris [TS]

  Munich New York London Paris Munich [TS]

  those are going to be the headquarters [TS]

  of up pyramids yeah we're not actually [TS]

  going to be in pyramid we're not our [TS]

  offices aren't going to be pyramids I [TS]

  wonder how that'll work out pyramids uh [TS]

  which let that bring something up when [TS]

  you search it oh you know I'm letting [TS]

  you know I probably should look I should [TS]

  look now it just says are you talking [TS]

  about are you talking about pyramids and [TS]

  it spelled it correctly oh good that's a [TS]

  good sign well it suggests to me that [TS]

  someone else has ever put in that [TS]

  spelling is exactly okay I shouldn't [TS]

  even admit this but i found exactly 1 [TS]

  match [TS]

  which is a site called name ideas [TS]

  generator no and that's if you enter in [TS]

  the letters my D s yeah but the thing is [TS]

  you know it's like mailing the song to [TS]

  yourself I think I think as long as we [TS]

  build a pyramid or inhabit a pyramid [TS]

  somewhere I think we're gonna I think we [TS]

  get the first right of refusal it's [TS]

  called women do you mail for yourself i [TS]

  used to read i read that i read that's [TS]

  as good as copyright i'm not sure how [TS]

  that holds up in court so you would put [TS]

  it in a cassette tape and mail it to [TS]

  yourself no web number oh no we're [TS]

  talking about no no so what I heard was [TS]

  when you write us when you write a song [TS]

  because this too yes you should type it [TS]

  up this makes absolutely no sense just [TS]

  to think about it for even a second so [TS]

  what do you do the idea is uh if you [TS]

  don't copyright you know it's a thing [TS]

  you got to copyright your song your song [TS]

  about you know how terrible palm beaches [TS]

  or whatever like my terrible punk rock [TS]

  songs so you mail it to yourself yeah [TS]

  and if you ever have to defend just on a [TS]

  piece of paper oh sure cuz then now you [TS]

  got the you got the date on there yeah [TS]

  so I guess the problem did the one [TS]

  problem with this is you only get one [TS]

  opportunity to take that out of the [TS]

  envelope you and I are not copyright [TS]

  lawyers I know we should probably say [TS]

  that we are we are pyramid preneur yeah [TS]

  that's right Kermit preneur but you're [TS]

  saying only one chance to take it out of [TS]

  the envelope well this is like the same [TS]

  this is the same era and crowd from [TS]

  which I heard that if you walk around [TS]

  with weed in your shoe it turns into [TS]

  hash so well we asked if you ask a cop [TS]

  if he's a copies got to say yes that's [TS]

  right show me your dick let me smell [TS]

  your dick take it out you gotta you [TS]

  everybody knows that this is all you [TS]

  know this is you know what this is John [TS]

  this is stuff you learn on the streets [TS]

  well sure if you ever saw the movie [TS]

  training day mm-hmm you know you've got [TS]

  a smoke a little piece EP with your [TS]

  partner yeah because what if you know [TS]

  what if you're with some bad guy and he [TS]

  says watch take a hit of this PCP yeah [TS]

  not what he's expecting no you gotta [TS]

  know how to you gotta know how to hit [TS]

  PCP if you really expect yes we'll [TS]

  expect to be taken seriously by the back [TS]

  and then when to walk away know when to [TS]

  run yeah I totally agree so so you're [TS]

  saying because I heard this to about the [TS]

  copywriting the the song and I never did [TS]

  but it's not that I didn't it's not that [TS]

  I didn't do it because I didn't believe [TS]

  that it would work hey John hang on a [TS]

  minute oh you might just down your mic [TS]

  just changed did it change in a good way [TS]

  or a bad way bad way you feel like [TS]

  you're talking into your computer [TS]

  directly Oh what about now oh you sound [TS]

  fantastic oh thank you the bed fun when [TS]

  that Evans so did you gesture wildly um [TS]

  you know what i did i have i have a [TS]

  couple of like rabbit ear antennas here [TS]

  on the top of my computer okay sometimes [TS]

  you have to hit the computer on the side [TS]

  real hard and then adjust the rabbit [TS]

  ears i get a sit on it ok so anyway [TS]

  pyramids Oh call you see so you send it [TS]

  to yourself now now if you're that [TS]

  concerned about copyright it seems like [TS]

  you might want explore it more but that [TS]

  was the word on the street you gotta [TS]

  smell a cop's dick and you mail the song [TS]

  to yourself ironclad and somebody guys [TS]

  redid that he'd be alive today if Woody [TS]

  Guthrie had done that he'd be alive [TS]

  today you know I say that at least once [TS]

  a day no all the time I'm saying that [TS]

  but uh if I so i actually have [TS]

  copyrighted music and i actually hired a [TS]

  copyright lawyer i think i may have [TS]

  described this to you before where I [TS]

  copyrighted the name of the long winters [TS]

  because when you had to deal with the [TS]

  wild ruses the Wilders is but it was [TS]

  because there was a band that was [TS]

  calling themselves a long winter uh-huh [TS]

  like they put out a record or to [TS]

  immediately after the long winters came [TS]

  along there was no debate that the long [TS]

  winters were the long winters before a [TS]

  long winter was a long winter but [TS]

  somehow can you imagine being somebody [TS]

  who's like well there is a band called [TS]

  the long winters but we're a long winter [TS]

  you said I get that in the late 60s for [TS]

  two reasons because the world was [TS]

  smaller for one thing you could get away [TS]

  with with calling your band you know the [TS]

  beat 'less or something like that or [TS]

  even the Beatles like not even at the [TS]

  Beatles but you could get away with a [TS]

  lot because the world was smaller but [TS]

  second like you know just google it like [TS]

  we just did Yeah right you know i mean [TS]

  like that's just weird even in altavista [TS]

  you could altavista a long winter yeah [TS]

  you could use wolfram alpha wolframalpha [TS]

  yeah uh yeah but or you could call [TS]

  yourselves a long winter UK oh right you [TS]

  don't [TS]

  put out a record called a long winter no [TS]

  so anyway I had to go to this copyright [TS]

  lawyer and then what I discovered about [TS]

  a copyright lawyer is talk about a [TS]

  pyramid scheme lawyers I don't know if [TS]

  you knew this yeah this is something [TS]

  that I've learned by in dealing with [TS]

  this copyright lawyer if a lawyer's [TS]

  office wants to send you an email they [TS]

  type the email as we discuss this good [TS]

  they type the email yeah did they have a [TS]

  way they like to Bill an invoice yeah [TS]

  they type the email and as they begin to [TS]

  type the email the clock is ticking they [TS]

  are charging you for the expense of [TS]

  typing the email telling you that they [TS]

  have an opportunity for you to pay them [TS]

  some money yeah like they're billing you [TS]

  and they're charging you for billing you [TS]

  and it feels to me like that is the most [TS]

  genius business model that's the most [TS]

  genius business model of all what for [TS]

  you 19 for me to build somebody for the [TS]

  for the expense of the time it takes to [TS]

  build them date you know what this [TS]

  should be part of pyramids I think so [TS]

  too I think recursion should be a huge [TS]

  part of our recursion I think so do [TS]

  right everything that's in the show is [TS]

  in the show and everything in pyramids [TS]

  is part of pyramids we're a business yes [TS]

  that takes businesses and turns them [TS]

  into businesses we business your [TS]

  business harder as soon as we start [TS]

  turning a business into a business [TS]

  that's our that's our business we're [TS]

  business of America is business in the [TS]

  business of pyramids is business is [TS]

  business and we're going to charge you [TS]

  for charging you as part of our bills as [TS]

  part of our business of businesses we're [TS]

  charging you for charging every time we [TS]

  charge them we're going to charge them [TS]

  for the expense of charging well then of [TS]

  course there's the recharge surcharge oh [TS]

  there should be a surcharge to recharge [TS]

  the surcharge to recharge and also if [TS]

  you have any inquiries about your bill [TS]

  there may be a very very very small [TS]

  large fee associated with the request [TS]

  surcharge recharge if there are any [TS]

  inquiries we're gonna have to make some [TS]

  inquiries should 5% appear too small be [TS]

  thankful I don't think about Oh Judah [TS]

  Wilson oh ho mr. Heath sitting in an [TS]

  English guard [TS]

  desperation is the English Way okay so [TS]

  now let's do we owe money do for that so [TS]

  the thing is it won't be would be with [TS]

  no not northern song we would know it to [TS]

  Hera songs we era songs and his lawyers [TS]

  and to what was that was that Dave [TS]

  Gilmour yeah you know I thought your [TS]

  wires is playing Dave Gilmour songs in [TS]

  in the newly refreshed Pink Floyd I [TS]

  noticed that too slightly numbers the [TS]

  trailers it never stopped Gilmore from [TS]

  playing waters songs I mean although i [TS]

  don't think that gilmore ever played [TS]

  pros and cons of hitchhiking this all [TS]

  comes off shaky 30 oh look you know why [TS]

  on the custom pool why that was the [TS]

  symbol that should that record had good [TS]

  songs on it but I just remember but on [TS]

  the cover there's a daily prominent [TS]

  ladies but on the cover was a prominent [TS]

  bud mm-hmm it's really those a big but [TS]

  error not not large as in not large as [TS]

  in butts I can't deny but more like in [TS]

  that era you just saw some big shiny [TS]

  butts all the time I know what you got [TS]

  that was his name from lover boy Mike [TS]

  love is that his name mikri know you got [TS]

  his butt on the cover of the album there [TS]

  are a lot of butts butts and berets oh [TS]

  well think about Bruce Springsteen [TS]

  grease pencils so 10 million copies of [TS]

  that that's right born down in a dead [TS]

  man's town now see how I'm gonna Bruce [TS]

  Springsteen money me glee could pull him [TS]

  in maybe we could get at him an equity [TS]

  share in pyramids we should bring in [TS]

  some of these artists enough to pay for [TS]

  quoting their songs you know the pros [TS]

  and cons of hitchhiking record to cover [TS]

  now that I'm looking at it at the time [TS]

  that this came out right which would [TS]

  have been 118 you eat too yeah buddy too [TS]

  so 1982 right this is this is a key time [TS]

  for me in the development of my sense of [TS]

  what it is what what what life is going [TS]

  to be right 1982 so I am 13 uh-huh and [TS]

  I'm just I'm just evolving uh what does [TS]

  you no likey a lot of people's like [TS]

  sexuality starts to evolve you know your [TS]

  sexuality starts to evolve viv with it [TS]

  within a pretty wide range of time right [TS]

  I think you're you start your sexuality [TS]

  starts to [TS]

  all obviously when you're a little child [TS]

  but as you get to be like in your teens [TS]

  puberty comes into play and all of a [TS]

  sudden you have these strange feelings [TS]

  but you're looking around can't decide [TS]

  who's more important your peers or the [TS]

  or the others you know the other side [TS]

  where your where your romantic interest [TS]

  lies and you're thinking you know what [TS]

  who do I owe my allegiance to what's the [TS]

  best way to go about this how do i [TS]

  navigate this territory and I really [TS]

  struggled in this time I know everybody [TS]

  does but I really didn't know what to do [TS]

  at all and part of it was that I didn't [TS]

  have a very good idea of what my desire [TS]

  was I wasn't sure what exactly I desired [TS]

  Sonny on the other side of the of the [TS]

  divide right I wasn't sure if I was [TS]

  straight or gay for a long time I [TS]

  struggled with the idea you know what I [TS]

  wasn't I couldn't exactly nail down what [TS]

  I was looking for in somebody else not [TS]

  not physically not emotionally not [TS]

  anything you know and so I was I was in [TS]

  this fog of like is that attractive to [TS]

  me is this attractive to me is this [TS]

  person attractive is that person [TS]

  attractive couldn't say for the life of [TS]

  me and it's not that I it's not that I [TS]

  wasn't attracted to any of those people [TS]

  are things I was attracted to them kind [TS]

  of all and but I but you know what was [TS]

  my taste I guess I didn't know i mean [TS]

  you know do i mean i feel you because [TS]

  there's this thing of if you think about [TS]

  it like casually know like my hmm you [TS]

  know my daughter's nine and she's like [TS]

  doing some stuff more like she's think [TS]

  about her hair a little more picking out [TS]

  outfits and stuff and I could just feel [TS]

  like it's probably like the tip of the [TS]

  spear of you know this coming into her [TS]

  own but you think about for that you're [TS]

  describing how like this stuff starts [TS]

  from such a young age and it's but it's [TS]

  so impossibly abstract cuz like you're [TS]

  describing here like in my straight am i [TS]

  gay like what does that even mean well [TS]

  you know like I could be attracted to [TS]

  this but but not that but like you know [TS]

  I'm saying like you know so so like let [TS]

  me show you this it's like when one of [TS]

  the things in National Geographic world [TS]

  we zoom way in on something go and no [TS]

  here's this image are you attracted that [TS]

  oh you're a fact like the wrong bus it's [TS]

  so weird that's so strange and you're [TS]

  expected to derive your entire adult [TS]

  identity based on like guessing how to [TS]

  answer that question right it's so [TS]

  I'd it really was no no actually it's [TS]

  not a but it's an elbow you're a pervert [TS]

  like it's so weird well and and and at [TS]

  at that particular time right there was [TS]

  a like to if you think back to and this [TS]

  again will sound crazy to to younger [TS]

  people but like there were body types [TS]

  that were not just preferred but it was [TS]

  like the body type of the era right if [TS]

  you think back to the Victorian times [TS]

  and you have this tiny little waist in [TS]

  this giant you know that the like a hoop [TS]

  skirt in order to imitate like the [TS]

  biggest possible but you think about [TS]

  yeah yeah the tiniest little ways them [TS]

  there's women I know today would not [TS]

  want to bow in the back of a dress and [TS]

  yet back then you'd get a bustle you'd [TS]

  get a buffle right 1950s you got your [TS]

  you get your Marilyn Monroe point2 [TS]

  points and then in the in the 60s this [TS]

  model called Twiggy came along who was [TS]

  rail thin and she was sort of imitating [TS]

  the style of the 1920s the kind of a [TS]

  flapper body which was like you know [TS]

  small bust small hips just sort of [TS]

  narrow lean androgynous form and then in [TS]

  the 80s in the 70s well in the 70s yeah [TS]

  right i guess playback rate in the [TS]

  middle of the Jane Fonda let's get [TS]

  physical era let's get physical error [TS]

  right where there was a lot of like [TS]

  everybody was in really good the ideal [TS]

  let's say we really good physical shape [TS]

  but it still was like big breasts like [TS]

  uh like I guess I guess this was the era [TS]

  big breasts small but maybe that's good [TS]

  anyway a tight but what type but this [TS]

  was a this was still at a time when [TS]

  there was a kind of a single idea [TS]

  culture wide of what beauty was and it's [TS]

  not you know now it's such a diversity [TS]

  of beauty that you could never recall a [TS]

  time probably where less you're a [TS]

  certain age where there was just like [TS]

  well that's beautiful and everything [TS]

  else is weird and at the time when I was [TS]

  coming into my into my agency the sexual [TS]

  the the beauty [TS]

  right which was typically blonde with [TS]

  like blown out hair Farrah Fawcett I [TS]

  mean a faucet didn't have a big bust but [TS]

  she was you know loni anderson right [TS]

  this was the ideal and I and it and it [TS]

  held no attraction to me like I was die [TS]

  did not that was just it did nothing for [TS]

  me didn't ring any bells I was always [TS]

  like much more intrigued by small people [TS]

  with short dark hair regardless of like [TS]

  what their gender was and so the pros [TS]

  and cons of hitchhiking record cover was [TS]

  like very titillating right it's a naked [TS]

  person mm-hmm from behind and I hadn't [TS]

  thought of it in years so I hadn't gone [TS]

  to look at it but when it's a lady it's [TS]

  it's a late I remember it's like a lady [TS]

  with a shiny but in high heels am I [TS]

  remembering it right wearing a backpack [TS]

  sticking out her thumb because she's [TS]

  hitchhiking okay so these are these are [TS]

  considered [TS]

  considered [TS]

  the the pros of the cons were seeing [TS]

  this is Japan's right i mean i think for [TS]

  a lot of people this is one of the pros [TS]

  of hitchhikers ask you this or blown [TS]

  glass every rise for free uh you would [TS]

  this was a person that you were [TS]

  hitchhiking that you picked up while [TS]

  hitchhiking i think you would consider [TS]

  the pro if you were most people yeah but [TS]

  you wanna put something on the seat [TS]

  probably oh sure a towel wow this is [TS]

  much more poorly produced i remember [TS]

  yeah it's a really bad the art is really [TS]

  bad it looks like a looks like gay what [TS]

  sort of looking for like like a Winston [TS]

  Smith thing for dead kennedys like it's [TS]

  really weird yeah or or somebody's [TS]

  initially had the idea like let's do one [TS]

  of those Warhol's like they required a [TS]

  ralph steadman kind of look but we can't [TS]

  afford Ralph Steadman yeah right so [TS]

  we'll throw some paint at a picture of a [TS]

  girl but if you look at her picture now [TS]

  she's extremely thin she's very tall and [TS]

  lean yeah but I remember it being [TS]

  described at the time of like oh it's [TS]

  you know this is like a big butt or I [TS]

  remember about some bigger at the time [TS]

  not not not a pejorative but you know [TS]

  but like it really stood out and what [TS]

  I'm saying is I think that record like [TS]

  put in it it was the type of cultural [TS]

  thing that went wide where it changed [TS]

  how we looked at butts it really did it [TS]

  change how i look at buds yeah and and [TS]

  I'd like to on I'd like to unwrap I'd [TS]

  like to go back in time and not have [TS]

  that have affected my oh interesting you [TS]

  want to kind of really write those those [TS]

  blocks yeah yeah I think so I mean I [TS]

  think that it is I think it did me a [TS]

  disservice it did us all a disservice oh [TS]

  yeah you have that particular but which [TS]

  is a fine but let me not just let me not [TS]

  disparage that one but i do not i did [TS]

  that is not the size of but that I think [TS]

  is like what would be considered like [TS]

  normal sized or even like that's not [TS]

  that's not my tasting buds let's say and [TS]

  I think that it affected my ability to [TS]

  have a taste in a different kind of but [TS]

  for a little brief period where I was [TS]

  like Jesus VII is this that's a if [TS]

  that's a big but let me tell you I'm [TS]

  living in the wrong country mr. yeah [TS]

  it's almost like you got only see [TS]

  miscalibrated [TS]

  miss hybrid if you are a piece of lab [TS]

  equipment like you would be functioning [TS]

  within normal parameters without ever [TS]

  knowing that even though you are [TS]

  accurate to how you were calibrated that [TS]

  calibration was not a good calibration [TS]

  so here's an interesting factoid that [TS]

  the model of that but uh uh is a woman [TS]

  named Lindsay drew Lindsay spelt with an [TS]

  i zi li and zi Lindsay Lindsay drew ok [TS]

  we should we should hire she's only 10 [TS]

  years older than I don't get around the [TS]

  ground floor of pyramids well I feel [TS]

  like she would be a perfect spokesperson [TS]

  for pyramids would she but show her but [TS]

  no no no but she can speak from a place [TS]

  of wisdom that's exactly right she could [TS]

  speak from a place of she could speak [TS]

  from a time when her when she understood [TS]

  that her butt was like a taste making [TS]

  but mmm but also she's had a lot of [TS]

  experience she uh she did quite a bit of [TS]

  nude modeling at the time and then [TS]

  became sort of a I know she well she [TS]

  retired from that OIC adult films yeah [TS]

  and she has also then she was an actress [TS]

  she appeared in American Werewolf in [TS]

  London I love that movie oh she's in [TS]

  layer of the way worm yeah I don't know [TS]

  what that is oh that's what is a Ken [TS]

  Russell it's got Amanda Donahue a very [TS]

  young um Peter Capaldi hmm never seen it [TS]

  oh it's one's got a Hugh Grant him cute [TS]

  very young Hugh Grant it is such a [TS]

  whackadoo movie Oh Simon's last dance no [TS]

  way british horror film that fence so [TS]

  anyway mistress monique aww she has a [TS]

  child named tiger tiger drew honey this [TS]

  is the type of thing that without the [TS]

  internet we could never possibly know [TS]

  that though that the woman from the [TS]

  cover of The Late what Roger Waters is [TS]

  great album pros and cons of hitchhiking [TS]

  his first solo album if you if you do [TS]

  not consider the final cut Roger water [TS]

  solo album which some which some be [TS]

  incorrect is that for another show um [TS]

  but that she that model who made such a [TS]

  great impact on us at the time actually [TS]

  was in a movie with Hugh Grant we could [TS]

  never have known that if it wasn't for [TS]

  the existence of the internet and then [TS]

  here we are this is off you think we're [TS]

  better off you know it's thing about [TS]

  this the other day and I don't know if I [TS]

  don't know if we've covered this in as [TS]

  greater detail as I think we should and [TS]

  I and by saying that I'm I suspect that [TS]

  we have not okay because I want to cover [TS]

  it some more but i do really feel like [TS]

  right now this is a this will be [TS]

  remembered as the era when things got [TS]

  inputted this will be remembered as the [TS]

  input era and add us because because [TS]

  there are there is now a sort of mixed [TS]

  generation of people who remember [TS]

  looking things up in books who remember [TS]

  a time when information was scarce who [TS]

  remember a time when it when Lindsay [TS]

  drew did not it was not necessarily [TS]

  going to be easy to figure out who [TS]

  Lindsay drew was right there are a lot [TS]

  of us whoo-hoo remember that time but [TS]

  also our internet savvy you know or at [TS]

  least internet internet literate and [TS]

  behind us is a generation that has no [TS]

  idea how to use the internet and they [TS]

  still are trying to look things up in [TS]

  books and ahead of us are a generation [TS]

  that never learned how to look up things [TS]

  in books and and if it isn't on the [TS]

  internet it doesn't exist and so for [TS]

  those of us in this in this middle [TS]

  period there is a tremendous obligation [TS]

  I think to make sure that as much stuff [TS]

  gets onto the internet as possible it's [TS]

  though and I really think it's the [TS]

  Wikipedia generation is how will be [TS]

  understood because if it doesn't make it [TS]

  on to the internet now it's gonna be a [TS]

  lot smooth I see what you're saying it's [TS]

  along the lines of hey go interview your [TS]

  elderly relatives right that's right so [TS]

  like even if you don't do anything with [TS]

  that tape today tape listen to me you [TS]

  can do something in the future you're [TS]

  saying get it on the internet now or [TS]

  it's never gonna be anywhere that's [TS]

  right so I was thinking about this in [TS]

  terms of I was looking out the window of [TS]

  my bathroom at my catalpa tree and so [TS]

  when I first moved into this house I [TS]

  looked out the window at that catalpa [TS]

  tree and I said you know what i should [TS]

  do i should keep an almanac i should [TS]

  keep a little book here by the window [TS]

  and every every year i should write down [TS]

  when the leaves first come out on the [TS]

  catalpa i should write down when the [TS]

  leaves finally drop off of the catalpa [TS]

  in the fall i should write down at the [TS]

  changing seasons in this little almanac [TS]

  that i keep by this window because i'm [TS]

  in this room every day and it would be [TS]

  and I should just notate things as they [TS]

  occur when this when it snows what days [TS]

  have rain you know just like [TS]

  old-fashioned kind of Almanac I was [TS]

  looking out the window yesterday and I [TS]

  realized like that is a thing over the [TS]

  course of history that a lot of people [TS]

  have done they've kept little Almanac [TS]

  sub at their farm and and it's been a [TS]

  source of great pleasure for them and I [TS]

  think there are probably lots and lots [TS]

  of people who have kept almanacs for 40 [TS]

  years and they have a 40 year record of [TS]

  all the first leafing out and and what [TS]

  you know how many birds they saw this [TS]

  year how many fewer birds they saw the [TS]

  following year and those almanacs were [TS]

  always considered a kind of records of [TS]

  the property maybe you would hand it [TS]

  down to whoever bought the farm it's a [TS]

  little like a captain's log a captain's [TS]

  log okay be it might seem day-to-day [TS]

  it's it's well it what it is is it's [TS]

  ephemeral data from day to day like [TS]

  writing down what the temperature was in [TS]

  the field in this one spot is very [TS]

  ephemeral but over time that's very [TS]

  meaningful yeah right and I think the [TS]

  great almanacs like you know if Lewis [TS]

  bromfield kept an almanac that Almanac [TS]

  eventually ended up in the public [TS]

  library in Ohio somewhere and you know [TS]

  in whatever Lucas Ohio and those you [TS]

  know and truly great almanacs became [TS]

  things that were recognized as like oh [TS]

  this is actually part of the historical [TS]

  record like looking up Lewis bromfield [TS]

  as a science farmer from Ohio science [TS]

  farmer there I wish there were more [TS]

  science farmers what wait a minute [TS]

  wasn't science farmer also the [TS]

  description of Matthew McConaughey in [TS]

  that dumb movie when he's behind the [TS]

  bookshelf [TS]

  science barber but so Louis sorry Louis [TS]

  Bromfield of Mansfield Ohio okay [TS]

  Mansfield any in it anyway so right now [TS]

  around the country right there are [TS]

  people whose grandparents have a little [TS]

  farm and they now have moved to the big [TS]

  city they're living in Cincinnati and [TS]

  they're working for pyramids com um and [TS]

  they go back home and you know maybe it [TS]

  comes up in conversation over there you [TS]

  know they look on the bookshelf and they [TS]

  see what is this you know grandma what [TS]

  is this oh that's the Almanac and we put [TS]

  in every year how many crows came and [TS]

  ate our seed and there's an opportunity [TS]

  right there in that moment to recognize [TS]

  a person our age or slightly younger to [TS]

  recognize in that moment oh my goodness [TS]

  this is a wealth of information and it [TS]

  right now is not searchable it's not [TS]

  disseminate able it cannot be connected [TS]

  to anything else and if I don't input [TS]

  this somehow if I don't make it a [TS]

  special project to go and input this [TS]

  data then it will not exist in the [TS]

  future and it's a missed opportunity [TS]

  because if everybody put in all their [TS]

  family almanacs we would be able then to [TS]

  cross-reference those almanacs and say [TS]

  on april first anywhere in the united [TS]

  states was it you know what was the [TS]

  weather what was the when did the leaves [TS]

  come out you know this is late and it's [TS]

  not just true of almanacs it's true of [TS]

  everything if you if your grandparents [TS]

  don't get biography now they never will [TS]

  and it wasn't a thing that we ever cared [TS]

  about before because who cared I mean [TS]

  there wasn't there never would have been [TS]

  you would have written a biography of [TS]

  your great-grandmother and then that [TS]

  would have gone on the shelf in your [TS]

  family house it's only now that that [TS]

  stuff is up and it's useful in the [TS]

  aggregate right no but there's just two [TS]

  there's at least a couple angles there's [TS]

  the one angle that's always been true [TS]

  which is that this is very this is very [TS]

  delicate information that gets harder to [TS]

  gather harder to collect and you know [TS]

  compile every every month really let [TS]

  alone every year like if you want to do [TS]

  a lot of information on World War [TS]

  one veteran's well that window is kind [TS]

  of closed and now you're going to really [TS]

  go sift through papers the other thing [TS]

  is there's so much other new information [TS]

  crowding out all the other information I [TS]

  mean I understand information just [TS]

  information but like the finding a [TS]

  needle in a haystack and is going to get [TS]

  harder as that those haystacks become [TS]

  multiplied well and that's what that's [TS]

  why I feel like this is such an [TS]

  important moment because the almanacs [TS]

  from farms that from farms older than [TS]

  that the lab that the generation of [TS]

  great grandparents that are still alive [TS]

  right now right the very few World War [TS]

  two veterans that are still alive those [TS]

  almanacs are still sitting on the [TS]

  shelves uh it's a very very small number [TS]

  of their grandparents almanacs that have [TS]

  survived thus far because what happens [TS]

  is somebody dies and it's just like my [TS]

  mom handing me that envelope that said [TS]

  pictures of people you never knew and [TS]

  she hands me this giant manila envelope [TS]

  and I go what the hell is this and she [TS]

  said well I was going to throw this away [TS]

  but I know that this is the type of [TS]

  thing you yell at me when I throw away [TS]

  so I thought I would just bring it to [TS]

  you and you can decide what to do with [TS]

  it pictures of people you never knew Wow [TS]

  and I'll I opened it up and I poured it [TS]

  out on the table and it is a you know [TS]

  it's probably 500 black-and-white [TS]

  photographs a lot of them scalloped [TS]

  edged portraits that were given out on [TS]

  high school graduation right your high [TS]

  school graduation photo that you traded [TS]

  with all your friends but a ton of [TS]

  pictures of just like people and t [TS]

  shirts and khakis throwing a football [TS]

  there's a 1939 Ford in the background [TS]

  there was a trip that that her class [TS]

  took to Cuba well in the early 50s just [TS]

  like photos that are no longer connected [TS]

  to anybody they don't have anyone's name [TS]

  written on them and my mom could sit [TS]

  with me and write down the name of each [TS]

  person that she could remember on the [TS]

  back of these photos but what is what's [TS]

  happening there is that those photos are [TS]

  going in the garbage and the only reason [TS]

  they're not is that I'm holding them [TS]

  right now and I don't know what to do [TS]

  with them but every year when people die [TS]

  all that record just goes into the it [TS]

  just falls off the cliff right and it [TS]

  always has now from this point forward [TS]

  none of that information is going off [TS]

  the cliff because we're all retaining [TS]

  everything and when the first could win [TS]

  the catalpa tree leaves out in Seattle [TS]

  is recorded some you know somehow by by [TS]

  some sort of photograph that's going to [TS]

  be preserved online forever let's and [TS]

  I'm assuming I'm assuming this sort of [TS]

  conceit that what goes on line is [TS]

  preserved forever now that may not end [TS]

  up being true but it's a it's a conceit [TS]

  from which I'm proceeding anyway so [TS]

  we're in this weird space where there [TS]

  actually is a tremendous record still [TS]

  existing of of a generation that's just [TS]

  now dying right we are the people who [TS]

  are going in and cleaning out our [TS]

  grandparents house and making decisions [TS]

  about this stuff like these are pictures [TS]

  of people I don't know hopper right this [TS]

  is some Almanac about some farm that we [TS]

  don't own any more hopper and we have an [TS]

  opportunity to just to to reach back [TS]

  just 50 or 60 years and gather that [TS]

  information pre-internet information and [TS]

  bring it forward into the into the [TS]

  future and failing to do it then it [TS]

  really will be this line of like in 2005 [TS]

  from 2005 forward we know we know a [TS]

  whole like an exponentially a greater [TS]

  amount about everything then from 2005 [TS]

  past you know and and 2005 everything [TS]

  before 2005 will seem like the Middle [TS]

  Ages in terms of the amount of [TS]

  information we have about it right [TS]

  because it won't be accessible right if [TS]

  you go online and look up my dad there's [TS]

  the only thing that's that's online [TS]

  about my dad in his entire life is the [TS]

  obituary that I wrote that's the only [TS]

  record asus range and you know when you [TS]

  or I die [TS]

  you'll be able to you know well [TS]

  basically you'll be able to interact [TS]

  with us because we will be one of the [TS]

  first VR BOTS hello I am Merlin Mann [TS]

  please do not contact me OOP stop asad [TS]

  stopping thank you for contacting me you [TS]

  have no the pyramids calm would you like [TS]

  to grow their downline with permits our [TS]

  business is business if you believe you [TS]

  are a Dutch with cancer touch one I mean [TS]

  I think about like my responsibility to [TS]

  my own mom yeah because she does not [TS]

  want any record of herself good for her [TS]

  right she's the last of she's the last [TS]

  of a dying era where she says I do not [TS]

  want a funeral and I said what what do [TS]

  you care you'll be dead the funeral is [TS]

  for the living and she she says do not [TS]

  have a funeral for me do not write an [TS]

  obituary do not do any of that shit that [TS]

  you did for your father and I'm like [TS]

  butt butt butt and she's like aah and [TS]

  she's adamant right she wants she wants [TS]

  me to take her ashes out and she hasn't [TS]

  even stipulated I don't you know if I [TS]

  say where do you want me to spread your [TS]

  ashes I don't know whether she'll say [TS]

  benim like completely completely [TS]

  unsympathetic but when it comes to like [TS]

  is my daughter when she wants to think [TS]

  about her Nana when she wants to [TS]

  interact with her Nana when she wants to [TS]

  research her know about her is she going [TS]

  to have a method that makes any sense to [TS]

  her outside of going on her computer or [TS]

  going up in her in her computer glasses [TS]

  or whatever if I say oh well the only [TS]

  thing you know but like the way we're [TS]

  gonna remember nana is with this [TS]

  envelope called pictures of people you [TS]

  never knew because the only thing she [TS]

  left me these i guess our people she [TS]

  went to high school with sweetie let's [TS]

  sit and look at them like I I don't know [TS]

  how to record her not just not for her [TS]

  not even for history but to just make [TS]

  her alive [TS]

  in the future yeah you're not gonna have [TS]

  so many scallop edged photos yeah right [TS]

  and I and and I won't I just I think [TS]

  about like the way that we are being [TS]

  recorded literally right now now we're [TS]

  being recorded you are actually [TS]

  recording us yeah but it's more I mean [TS]

  even this program alone gives more [TS]

  insight into you and me in perpetuity [TS]

  than any single record I have of my [TS]

  father there's no one thing I could [TS]

  point to and say here's one hour of my [TS]

  father being himself that will give you [TS]

  a sense of him and so this so this [TS]

  generation that has these cassette tapes [TS]

  I mean I do have cassette tapes of my [TS]

  dad doing like depositions which are [TS]

  very interesting to listen to because [TS]

  you hear a bunch of people droning and [TS]

  then you hear my father's voice droning [TS]

  and there's always humor in my dad's [TS]

  voice and when my dad speaks to the [TS]

  court you can always hear the court [TS]

  reporter chuckling and that gives you an [TS]

  amazing sense of my dad but what's my [TS]

  obligation there do i do I go find a [TS]

  cassette to digital recorder and put all [TS]

  those tapes in and then do a supercut of [TS]

  my dad going Your Honor I selected I'd [TS]

  like it entered into the record you know [TS]

  just like like a bunch of three second [TS]

  cuts of him talking I don't know man [TS]

  it's depressing well I mean I don't even [TS]

  mean it to be depressing but like but I [TS]

  do know like oh my god in every way it's [TS]

  depressing tears and rain John because [TS]

  when I go on Wikipedia I'm so fascinated [TS]

  by what's there and what's not oh you [TS]

  and me both buddy right and so Lindsay [TS]

  drew I never really nice one of those [TS]

  things like who's the model on the cover [TS]

  of pros and cons of hitchhiking you [TS]

  never think you're gonna find the answer [TS]

  but then somebody cared to do it I don't [TS]

  know who I don't know who was response [TS]

  but somebody said oh well and and it [TS]

  almost certainly was derived from that [TS]

  record cover because someone said who [TS]

  was that model and then did that [TS]

  research and then figured like oh that's [TS]

  kind of interesting yeah I'm like [TS]

  I always feel like this is really [TS]

  productive but I always feel like um a [TS]

  fair amount of the people out there [TS]

  contributing to these somewhat obscure [TS]

  pop culture topics are the kind of [TS]

  people who watch DVD extras we're like [TS]

  they they know they know they know it [TS]

  and they know where to find it so like [TS]

  I'd there may not be in again this is [TS]

  somebody from another country i'm not [TS]

  familiar with her work but there may be [TS]

  people who sought out her adult film [TS]

  stuff because of that cover you never [TS]

  know but it could also be the DVD extra [TS]

  people who just happen to be able to [TS]

  pull that together and all of those you [TS]

  know I you know rendezvous with [TS]

  rochambeau consolidate their gifts like [TS]

  you get all these people working in [TS]

  concert and you pretty soon you got [TS]

  stone soup which will be served at [TS]

  pyramids by the way by the way oh and [TS]

  our employee cafeterias don't soup every [TS]

  day there's gonna there's it's one of [TS]

  the red they're like other soups will [TS]

  rotate but there will be stone soup [TS]

  every date stone soup every day did you [TS]

  know that uh that Lindsay drew actually [TS]

  was the editor of the British edition of [TS]

  penthouse magazine like she's not just a [TS]

  model she can't goodness she's a she's a [TS]

  she's not one that maybe not II got but [TS]

  she's a slash at least well and this is [TS]

  what confuses means e she appeared nude [TS]

  each month in club international [TS]

  magazine now I'm not sure how you could [TS]

  I mean light I'm not sure how you could [TS]

  appear each month because like the house [TS]

  band she's like the house band of club [TS]

  international hmm um I'm gonna I'm gonna [TS]

  have to spend a little bit more time [TS]

  with Lindsay drew because you know I [TS]

  mean I me I mean it's part of your [TS]

  research I didn't have a subscription to [TS]

  clubs international but I certainly saw [TS]

  the magazine I mean I saw it on the on [TS]

  the websites honey I'm adult films 24 [TS]

  wonder how they decide what category [TS]

  well what counts as an adult film right [TS]

  why should look at on Wikipedia former [TS]

  editor of forum magazine is that the [TS]

  Penthouse Forum magazine I think so but [TS]

  but British edition she's a depression [TS]

  oh I never thought this has happened to [TS]

  me [TS]

  she was only 15 years old [TS]