The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► so much easier when everything was [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► monogrammed those are the days right [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► John [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► those were the days you kids these days [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► and your multi-bit displays pixels could [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► be on or they could be off [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► what more do you need so I'm sick [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► well you know i should actually save [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► that for right before follow-up because [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► if you don't leave in that I'm sick then [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► everyone's gonna bring to you about how [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► the sounds all wrong for me [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► mark I would never added something out [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► of a podcast that causes a stream of [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► feedback for an entire week even though [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► we discussed on the show [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► normally I try to edit I i try to remove [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► things that we that we say kind of like [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► I wonder if it's this way that like we [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► find out two seconds later are wrong [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► because that way because we actually if [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► I don't do that then we will get tons of [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► emails from people who have who pause at [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► that point before we realize that we are [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► wrong and write and tell us where that [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► we were wrong so normally i will edit [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► out like the first half of something [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► like that just because like it doesn't [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► do anybody any good to hear speculate [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► being wrong that we're going to learn is [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► wrong [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► shortly after but sometimes we get it [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► wrong [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► so with that in mind before anyone right [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► saying i am a little sick i actually [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► feel fine but I get home maybe my [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► sinuses are clogged up because I sound [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► weird you sound like hell but I know I I [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► really do feel okay like i have been [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► snot in that much I mean everything [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► seems okay but I can feel it coming [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► can we hear more detail about your about [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► your nasal situation and i would love to [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► have to actually it's funny because i am [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► as your but let's hear more yeah it's [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► god I wish I remember that scrub song [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► about a it all comes I think it's all it [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► all comes down to poo something like [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► that anyway and I'm but a but yeah I [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► listen to do by friday which I resisted [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► listening to you for awhile for no [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► particular reason just because I guess [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► just because I don't feel like I have a [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► lot of availability in my in my shedule [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► for her new podcast don't do it out well [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► and as it turns out i'm glad i folded [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► because due by friday is excellent and [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► on due by friday they were talking about [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► some sort of like sinus cleansing device [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► that I think came from walgreens don't [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► do that either [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► there's a neti pot right well yeah neti [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► pot or something along those lines I [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► forget the details for any of us [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► yeah well that's the [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► thing and so on the one side I feel like [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► I think my sinuses are like clogged as [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► hell in and one of these neti pot like [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► things would theoretically clear it but [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► that being said I really do not want a [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► brain amoeba and so i will just pass and [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► sound like a moron for the rest of the [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► episode and not died from a brain amoeba [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► and I'll be okay with that now in in [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► fairness for the due by friday brain [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► squirting device that one that what did [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► have a microfilter of some kind that [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► purported to block the brain and [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► meatballs from entering your brain and [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► there's anybody you want to trust with [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► keeping microbes out of your body but [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► through use of a paper-thin filter CBS [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► it's a $14 thing at walgreens walgreens [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► sorry not CBS sorry that's a whole [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► different story [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► yeah it's walgreens then you're okay my [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► goodness so yes don't yell at Marco is [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► levels aren't wrong my levels aren't [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► wrong and sound weird [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► so see apologies for that we should [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► start with some follow-up we are aware [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► that you can use control center to [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► switch to air pods on iOS devices the [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► whole of the internet wrote in to tell [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► us this and this was very confusing for [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► John and I because we spoke about this [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► on the show and I didn't understand why [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► nobody spent the time to figure that out [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► and as it turns out we later discovered [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► that this was one of those instances [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► where Marco got a little aggressive with [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► the edits which a truth be told happens [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► extremely rarely but every great once in [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► a while something slip through the [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► cracks and this is one of those [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► instances where John and I discussed [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► this and it was in the midst of other [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► things that should have been cut and [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► apparently the slicing and dicing was [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► not quite surgical enough so we are [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► aware that you can use control swim [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► center to switch to airports on iOS [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► devices so thank you the entirety of the [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► internet for writing it but more [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► importantly for the people who listen to [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► the show the vast vast majority of [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► people that information was cut and they [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► didn't get the benefit of knowing that [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► is obviously the people who who wrote in [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► to tell us that we can use a control [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► center [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► you know like that i was surprised by [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► them running because I said oh you like [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► Marco sometimes people pause the show to [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► send feedback and then they resume [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► playing it and there's some [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► standard amount of feedback you get of [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► someone saying something that you know [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► will be addressed maybe 20 or 30 seconds [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► later in the show and that's fine that [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► happens all the time i do myself [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► everybody does it right [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► I usually expect to see one or two [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► pieces of feedback after that saying oh [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► haha should have waited 20 seconds and [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► you mentioned it but I didn't see any of [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► those was like this is weird [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► large volume of people apparently [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► pausing the podcast get feedback but [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► nobody saying oh sorry I should've kept [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► listening so that was that was my clue [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► that this was going on but anyway the [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► important piece of information denied to [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► all the other listeners who didn't know [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► or didn't listen live ya hit that that [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► you can do this if you have their pods [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► and multiple iOS devices you don't have [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► to go to settings and bluetooth and [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► switch it you can do it in control [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► center and it is more convenient so try [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► yeah and in to be clear just in case it [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► wasn't obvious there are two panes in [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► control center and it is the rightmost [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► pain there's a kind of a dropdownlist [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► ish thing on the bottom where you can [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► select your output device and that's [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► what you want and actually speaking of [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► control center one of the reasons that [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► it is not actually has a convenient for [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► me to use control center is because as [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► of right now I have control settled [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► control center disabled on my iPad [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► everybody except for springboard you [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► know that setting if you whether you [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► want to be able to swipe up and control [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► center either Justin springboard all [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► apps i figure how its phrase but anyway [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► I had to disable control center in [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► during in applications on my iPad which [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► is the main device i would be switching [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► to because of stage and which is an [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► excellent game that you should try but [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► involves a lot of swiping rapidly upward [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► from the bottom of your ipad huh and I [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► really don't want control center to [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► appear I don't even want the little [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► tabby thing to hear because you know it [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► makes you do it twice just to show that [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► you really mean it [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► that little tabby things appears and I'm [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► instantly dead so that's a great game [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► everyone should buy it and try it and [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► you can just control center first I love [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► the the style of that game i love the [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► music of the game i love the idea of [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► that game but my brain just can't do it [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► like I I know there's some kind of like [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► learning curve maybe and I try playing [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► it for like a good 15 minutes I could [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► not [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► I get my brain to do it right heated [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► it's not a learning curve there it is to [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► state machine there is i don't get the [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► game and then you'll cross the humongous [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► gap somehow magically and all of a [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► sudden you get the game that was my [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► experiences i was i was in the beta for [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► that game and I played I played a lot [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► during the beta right and my high score [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► was like one or two hundred for several [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► weeks and then as the day went on I I [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► got close to 400 and I was asking was [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► asking Kevin like what the mall people [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► get for high scores like I know it's [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► just the beta testers but like mi mi [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► just terrible at this game I like [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► average and he was saying there's a lot [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► of variability and so on and so forth [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► trying to make me feel better about my [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► fault my terrible high score but once [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► the game got closer to release that I [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► think it was actually around the time of [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► release [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► I my brain figure it out like figured [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► out how to play the game and instantly [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► went up into the thousands and you know [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► I haven't looked back so I wouldn't you [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► know it it's a fun game it's a cute [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► little trifle you can play with it but [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► unfortunately unlike altos adventure [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► unfortunately / fortunately once you [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► figure the game out it becomes [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► surprisingly time-consuming as you spend [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► your days plugging away at this thing [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► out but there is there is a big leap so [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► if you don't you know you don't ever [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► make that leap that's fine i still think [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► it's worth the three bucks over the game [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► costs just to play with it because it's [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► a really novel interesting idea [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► very well executed but there is another [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► game on the other side of it once you [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► once you cross the hurdle once you bring [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► gets the game and then you can like me [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► spend most your time being incredibly [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► frustrated that you made some tiny my [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► new mistake after playing for literally [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► 20 minutes and just missed your high [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► score this sounds vaguely like the [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► smarter every day video with the [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► backwards bike [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► have you seen this it's al with where [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► they had it's like a gear or something [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► like that such that when you turned the [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► handle bars right the bike went left and [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► in if you watch the video spoiler alert [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► basically eventually just flip this [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► switch your brain just puts the switch [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► where it understands and then you can [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► actually to ride the bike also real-time [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► follow up this is an example [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► us saying something that we don't [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► realize is wrong people will have [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► already pause the show and written in [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► and now i will correct it for the three [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► of you that actually use home kit home [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► kid is the rightmost panel control [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► center it is not it is not the audio [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► stuff but there's only three of you that [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► use home kit so I appreciate all three [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► of you writing in markup that door yeah [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► yeah sure you think they're also the [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► Opera users how you know that's an [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► interesting point very well could be [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► I don't know so right if you know [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► actually not really pleased if I their [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► long waits when you use the chat feature [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► dirty for most customer support tools [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► this is when you use the online web chat [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► because like me you hate the telephone [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► and don't want to spend any time on the [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► telephone if you can avoid it tomw [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► rights in to point out web chat works on [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► the premise that one person speaks to a [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► few people at once many up to 10 and [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► perhaps that's why the latency is so [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► atrociously bad in in when you're having [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► these online chat experiences a lot of [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► people running with a backhand makes [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► perfect sense and it should have [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► occurred to me but didn't like i was [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► using it because the phone lines were [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► closed but I mean they just it just [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► falls out of my car keys to the phone [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► lines that close [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► why is the text right open because in [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► text chat you can attend 1 multiplied [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► are your people and that's why i gotta [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► wait 10 minutes to reply because someone [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► was replying to 10 other people and [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► that's actually kind of an amazing / [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► terrible job because who wants to have [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► you ever tried to conduct 10 [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► simultaneous text conversations that are [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► productive in anyway with anybody you [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► can't joke around with three friends at [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► once I feel like I'm frazzled doing that [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► it's like all right are you know I mean [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► you can have you can have multiple [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► things going with a knot in an on-time [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► critical nature like just you know [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► whatever like someone said something [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► funny and then you say something funny [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► backward like that's fine multiple slack [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► channels all that stuff but 10 customer [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► service conversations for the person on [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► the other end is potentially angry and [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► wants to just complete a transaction [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► now if you're really bad for these [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► people tell me i'm guessing that there [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► is you know software assistance here [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► that they're probably using special [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► tools that have like a checklist script [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► they're going through each person and [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► Electro's yeah well but yet even just [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► like like i'm sure there's like a script [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► or like a checklist that each one [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► and can probably keep a state of like [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► here's what i've done with this customer [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► so far so there's probably some kind of [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► like special software designed to help [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► them out here I mean this is a perfect [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► application for everyone's favorite 80s [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► AI technology expert systems where you [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► can make a general-purpose AI because [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► really hard but what you can do is make [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► a text-only chat thing that knows how to [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► handle customer service you know the top [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► 5 customer service concerns and but [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► points to a user if it can't figure it [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► out and those can work fine too and i [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► think i would probably be mostly okay [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► with those it if it just you know i [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► would type in something and it would [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► repeat back to me its understanding of [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► the thing asking for confirmation and I [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► can get frustrating if you go around in [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► circles but if it just wants you to a [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► person i can imagine it would probably [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► be good for you know covering at least [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► half of the cases of i have a product [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► there's a problem I want to return and [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► we asked me for the order number and [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► give me the RMA and but like machine can [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► do that [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► not that I'm trying to put more people [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► to work with the eyes but you know [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► efficiencies well alright so let's get [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► to the job siracusa portion of follow-up [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► as if all the follow-up visit John's [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► already why don't you tell us about a [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► PFS somebody on the internet named Tyler [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► lock or loke successfully booted mac OS [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► Sierra from in a PFS file system is ntfs [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► was introduced in Syria as a developer [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► preview and presumably sometime this [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► year will be the official supported [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► bootable file system for what I suppose [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► is the next major version of Mac West [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► who knows they can do it a point release [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► to whatever it's already coming to iOS [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► and in ten point 3 and that's not even [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► the next major release and up until now [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► you haven't been able to boot from it [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► but many many parts of it are getting [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► more mature and obviously if it's going [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► to be the it it's going to convert all [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► your iOS devices a PFS and 10.3 I bet [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► the file system is pretty much ready for [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► primetime the only reason it's not on [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► the max because the mac is obviously a [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► lower priority and he tweeted about this [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► will put some links in the show notes to [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► these tweets just you can get in touch [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► with him and tell him to write a blog [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► post about it if he hasn't already [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► he did it by taking a 10-point 12.4 [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► drive [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► cloning it running the a PFS HFS convert [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► command-line utility which exists to [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► convert it in place just like it doesn't [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► iOS devices right that's you know why [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► that utility exist and then manually [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► edited the goal partition table uuid to [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► some big heck string that apparently is [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► the right one and then did some other [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► stuff that i can understand bc try to [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► complete compress it onto a tweet and [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► change some car flags and rebooted and [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► he was booted into a PFS and the other [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► thing to note is his little screenshot [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► showing hey look I'm booted into a PFS [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► showed as the volume type a PFS and in [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► parentheses case-insensitive so in case [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► you're wondering if it was just a choice [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► he made it was going to be the official [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► one but maybe fest case-insensitive is [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► certainly a thing so maybe if you're [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► having problems with case-sensitive hfs+ [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► you won't have to worry about that with [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► a PFS because you won't be forced to [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► make your Mac case sensitive if the [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► screenshot is any indication we respond [TS]

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00:15:58 ◼   ► anything off the rack ever could thank [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► you very much too indochino were [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► sponsoring our show once again [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► ah so big week for Marco as they say you [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► have released overcast three so [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► congratulations Thank You there's only [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► one massive bug [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► what's the best of bug well that there [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► were there were 15 minor bugs that I [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► fixed in a point release yesterday but [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► created one less minor bug where now you [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► just can't create playlists anymore [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► that's no big deal I've heard from [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► surprisingly few people about it because [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► creating playlists is not a very common [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► action you get the others list for free [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► and if you q things that's created [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► automatically so that's fine i have the [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► fix ready iTunes Connect has been [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► undergoing maintenance stuff all day so [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► I haven't actually able to be able to be [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► able to submit but that should be fixed [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► in a couple days probably the time this [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► podcast goes live [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► youyou found this bug the playlist bug [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► after you release the left you uploaded [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► 30 1301 cause the bug [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► there you go yeah yeah that's now that's [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► the point release because i was so it [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► was it was rapid turnaround like you had [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► three point one which had like a bunch [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► of little minor fixes and gotta prove [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► really quickly and went up on the store [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► it's like wow [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► everything's working at design but they [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► had a bug because 30 had had a pretty [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► serious bug where the gesture for [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► dismissing the now playing sheet it [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► would interfere with the speed sliders [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► little thumb if you would set the speed [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► to the very bottom setting the minus [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► which is like points7 extra point x1 [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► like that so basically if you set this [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► be all the way down you could never [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► change it unless you have like an iPad [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► or something you could like sink it back [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► from and so that was a pretty serious [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► bug but I i had to get 301 out quickly [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► and they were a couple of other like [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► minor things like you know let me throw [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► in you know whatever I could do quickly [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► that's not gonna require lots of testing [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► to validate and everything [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► let me just do that quickly [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► and I slipped up when fixing a playlist [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► reordering but basically I pulled the [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► place editor out of the card environment [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► because for various implementation [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► details that are born again into here [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► uitableview reorder controls break if [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► they're in a card that isn't mine now [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► playing card so i had to reach had to [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► revert the playlist editor back to the [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► regular environment which is not in a [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► car because it's a regular full screen [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► sheet and in doing that I mistakenly [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► forgot to readd the done button back to [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► it so now you can cancel the creation of [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► the playlist but you cannot finish it [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► surprising that your comprehensive suite [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► of automated tests and catch this i was [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► waiting for thank you John syracuse i [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► love you might want to save your voice [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► thank you [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► alright so you've gone on a justifiable [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► media blitz i listen to under the radar [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► already moments before we started [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► recording it turns out as per tradition [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► you are on the talk show what do you [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► want to talk about here either that [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► you've touched on previously or that [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► that you'd like to elaborate upon i mean [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► this is this is your show so now is the [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► time to really well not that under the [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► radar isn't you know what I mean now's [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► the time to really go deep on any of [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► this stuff or do what I expected to do [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► and say whatever [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► well I don't mean what do you guys want [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► to know like what I mean what's what do [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► you think would be interesting because [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► like you know so I'll tell you you know [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► on under-the-radar talked about kind of [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► the idea of basically had like 30 was a [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► big release in terms of like how much [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► stuff changed but it was actually not a [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► big release in terms of like here's a [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► list of features that are new but [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► they're there are very few new features [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► and it's kind of an interesting thing to [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► do of like here's a new version of this [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► app there's been tons of work to it it's [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► a lot better but I can't tell you [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► everything new in it because it's not [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► it's not that kind of better like I it's [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► basically most of the work was in [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► revamping the UI and and it doesn't even [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► see it doesn't even look incredibly [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► different than how did before it just [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► works differently in certain in certain [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► places so like you know the whole card [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► you I with the now playing screen that [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► the two-stage episode selection now at [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► the [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► Monroe in the bottom of it those are the [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► big things and then you know the queuing [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► system that goes around the whole thing [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► and and kind of like moving all the [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► actions into visible places but it in a [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► similar way that it's hard for me to to [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► come up with like a feature change list [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► of here's the big new headline features [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► it's also hard for me to come up with [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► like what should I talk about like what [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► do you want to know I don't know jack [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► remember you i will be like what do you [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► think I should be covering here [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► chatroom wants to know why swipe to [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► delete is gone and having been on data [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► for how many months i thought it will [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► all eventually get used to it will go [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► away i'm still swiping up to get [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► something else FYI i mean not that I [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► don't mind because I don't delete them [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► that often like they go away when you [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► know I still have the setting that [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► deletes them when you finish listening [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► so it's not a thing that comes up often [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► but I've done it in the past week the [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► short version of why this is the way it [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► is and then you can yell at me for an [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► hour is the old way of like you have [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► your list of episodes you could swipe [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► one of the cells and it would reveal the [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► iOS standard tableview delete button [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► along with a couple other actions like [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► there was a star for recommending and [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► there's a download button there if it [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► wasn't downloaded this has always been [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► the way to delete episodes and overcast [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► you could you could also just listen to [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► them all the way through and the default [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► settings to delete after listening I got [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► so many emails and tweets over the last [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► two and a half years since one point out [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► with people asking how grandly episodes [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► or had a way to leave a message that [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► listening to them all the way through [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► which is kind of funny if you think [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► about that means people were actually [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► like trying to place all the way through [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► just to delete them and the reason why [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► is because I thought when I was [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► designing this app that you know of [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► course everyone using an iphone knows [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► that you swipe table views to delete you [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► know that that's that's obvious [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► everyone knows that right or you tap the [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► edit button in the corner and it shows [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► that elite controls and you then usually [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► from their people don't know this a lot [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► of people don't know this and you can [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► kind of understand why because if you [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► just get an iphone and you can start [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► using it like at no point do you really [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► need that like in the rest of the iphone [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► interface doesn't really like there's [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► always also delete button somewhere or [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► something out or it's in some contexts [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► like messages where it doesn't really [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► matter you look here where you don't [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► often delete entire conversation so I [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► a lot of people who use iphones don't [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► know like the the quote standards for [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► some of the other controls for things [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► like swiping table cells to show really [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► control or hitting the edit button to to [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► show other controls whatever else does [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► Apple Mail have a way to delete yeah [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► there's there's delete buttons right on [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► the bottom toolbar a huge design goal of [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► overcast through everything my post but [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► a huge angle overcast three was [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► basically to because you know every [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► every feature that I had that was hidden [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► behind of gesture people would find and [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► they would they would write in confused [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► or mad that I didn't have this feature [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► or disappointed and so my main goal with [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► overcast three was to take all of the [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► all the things I've learned with [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► two-and-a-half years of basically [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► feedback and user testing and try to [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► address as many design flaws as possible [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► I mean there's just there's so many [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► features so much functionality that I've [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► had since one point O that a good [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► portion of my users either can't find or [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► just assume i don't have or they [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► misunderstand [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► so it was very much like a a clarifying [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► release to clarify how things work and [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► then and etc you know and I knew going [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► into it I knew that the the you know now [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► playing being this card that's coming [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► from the bottom instead of navigation [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► pane such as the right I knew that would [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► be like you know a minor thing people [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► get used to quickly but i also know and [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► even said in the post that the the like [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► new two-stage really now you tap the [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► cell and rather than immediately playing [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► the episode it shows like a little [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► action menu kind of like when you select [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► a tweet tweet pot and there's buttons [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► and one the middle button there's play [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► and then one of the 12 the far right is [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► delete and i'm a little curious from [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► people like you guys and the entire chat [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► room and many people on twitter by the [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► way i should i should say before before [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► i can make just like that the response [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► to this update has been massively [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► positive that i am very very happy with [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► the with the response it has been very [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► very positive and for something that [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► changes so many things that's a bit more [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► positive reaction than I would have [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► guessed so anyway that that aside for [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► the people who are not so positive about [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► it because of this new like now it takes [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► two taps to delete something thing it [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► always took to temporarily something [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► before it was swiped [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► tap now it's tap tap so I'm kind of [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► curious like why I mean it's different [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► but is it actually worse now you know [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► why I do that case and I shouldn't don't [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► don't give him the answer Karen downtown [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► market will explain to us why why this [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► there's get back what I I understand the [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► people who don't like there's two taps [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► to play something I understand that [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► because there was one tab before and now [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► it's too even though it's much less [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► error-prone now in the interfaces way [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► clear for everybody but why is it worse [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► to have to delete be two taps instead of [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► a swipe and tap and now the other part [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► of markets bringing around to answer [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► that question [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► good i don't know I honestly like I go I [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► know you can do it gets it i know you [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► could do it it's just different but is [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► it worse [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► nice it's actually easier to do is more [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► precise because that's what that one of [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► the reasons was that the swipe to delete [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► I would often accidentally start playing [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► the episode so let me give you my answer [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► which i think is the same as John's but [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► who knows [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► my answer is you should never ever ever [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► deviate from what is the norm on the [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► platform and so the norm on the platform [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► is if you want to do some sort of [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► destructive change like that in a quick [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► like gestural way you swipe from right [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► to left and there will be some sort of [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► destructive action that you can take [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► right then and there and like you said [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► previously Marco that's on pretty much [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► every table view in the system that [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► allows you to remove a table bureau and [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► so because i don't think this is [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► exclusively a power user thing although [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► it certainly in my mind excuse towards [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► power users but you should never fight [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► the frameworks and you which you've done [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► with this table you actually in many [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► ways [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► oh you shouldn't and you should never [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► fight the hague the human interface [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► guidelines and and I feel like you're [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► fighting the hague now I haven't beaten [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► you up about this too bad previously [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► because I understand where your head's [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► at and it makes sense to me that for the [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► overwhelming majority of users i bet you [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► anything this was a positive change but [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► for someone like me and thinking [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► completely myopically you're behaving [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► differently than the rest of the [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► platform and that feels gross in the [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► same way that you get that grossed out [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► feeling when you look at a material [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► design google app on iphone using google [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► apps on my phone [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► well [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► you know what I mean that like it's [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► that's a bit unfair comparison and a bit [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► slanders to be to be fair because you [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► are nowhere near that that out of left [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► field but it's a similar scenario right [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► where you have something that doesn't [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► quite feel right but it doesn't quite [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► feel right to a power user or even a [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► moderate power user I think to most [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► people your I I think you made the right [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► change even though it drives me batty [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► well let me let me just boil that down [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► to a more to it and a simpler more [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► visceral answer everything you said is [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► right but the result the result of that [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► is at bottom line i keep swiping things [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► that's that's the bottom line [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► after many many weeks i keep swiping and [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► it's not a big deal and that the [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► discoverability is a hundred percent [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► like I'm even though is non-standard in [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► the same way that sweet spot is [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► non-standard i like it like it is good [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► because you have a complicated [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► application and I think this is better [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► and discoverability there's no arguing [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► is that you were getting tons of [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► feedback about discoverability people [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► will find the trash cannot come on they [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► could hundred percent on that but why [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► why do people complain it's not about [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► speed is not about efficiency [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► why do I keep swiping my case he said [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► because I swipe everywhere else again [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► can't convince my stupid thumbs not to [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► swipe and and everything you said about [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► why you and why you added the bar and [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► discoverability all that's a hundred [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► percent true but exactly in the same way [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► that that a underscore convince you to [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► make a sideways so that swype [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► inexplicably do a thing that should [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► totally not do this because that's the [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► way the old one work you keep the same [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► controls exactly where they are but if [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► my finger stupid swype so the umpteenth [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► time just let it delete but that's all [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► I'm asking for like keep exactly the [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► same stuff that's in there now make a [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► discovery also and so forth but for the [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► admittedly very small handful of people [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► and that's why this is not a big deal [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► that's why three-point always in that [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► win no matter what even if you never had [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► this feature back but for the small [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► handful of people who are either on this [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► podcast with your in chatroom stupid [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► thumbs keep swiping [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► this is another case to do one of those [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► features just like the one was referring [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► to the underscore talk you into which [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► was the old gesture was to get rid of [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► now playing you could swipe the side [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► even though the new one comes up from [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► the bottom you still made swipe the side [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► work because it's no skin off else's [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► back no one else is going to discover it [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► except for people have muscle [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► i'm here from the old overcast guess [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► what I can make that work for you to now [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► maybe a pain in the butt to make swipe [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► to delete work in the context of [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► whatever unholy things that you've done [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► to the table view to make it so super [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► custom and by the way i love the fact [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► that you can reorder now with the little [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► grippy tabs everywhere so you know again [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► it's totally a net win but for this tiny [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► little minor feature you know it would [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► be neat if the old muscle memory still [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► worked and i guess i'll probably [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► eventually get you stuff but I thought [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► whatever got used to it by now and I [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► think it's exactly what case he said if [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► the whole rest of the system is training [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► me again and again to swipe to delete [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► it's very difficult to sort of [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► contextual the untrained myself from [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► that gesture on something that looks for [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► all the world like a table view as a [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► general rule use standard gestures [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► people are familiar with the standard [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► gestures and don't appreciate being [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► forced to learn different ways to do the [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► same thing in games another immersive [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► apps custom gestures can be a fun part [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► of the experience and other apps it's [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► best to use the standard gesture so [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► extra effort isn't needed to discover or [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► remember them straight out of the hague [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► all right so you guys make good points i [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► don't i don't disagree with a lot of [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► what you're saying I actually the idea [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► of doing both of adding the swipes back [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► actually never occurred to me until this [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► moment there is probably something I'm [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► doing to that table view that would make [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► that probably not work well you don't [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► like growing glitches come on that's [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► also part of the fun [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► i will try it because I I admit like if [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► I can do that with with no horrible side [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► effects then it is kind of a no-brainer [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► to offer that affords to have both like [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► little orange bar appear as the thing [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► above it swipe sideways in the orange [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► bar starts to get clipped and filled [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► with me so awesome [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► you have no idea what I've done to poor [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► uitableview and I would yeah whatever [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► tweet but did I same type of thing like [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► this and to be fair like I don't have to [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► but was the originator of this thing but [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► a lot of applications do this where they [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► were they want to have more stuff for [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► you to do a tableview they can't all fit [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► under magic edit button where you go [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► into a mode right and so they do this [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► thing where it reveals more controls [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► when you tap the thing I think that [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► itself even though it's not a nigger [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► whatever is kind of standard and tried [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► and true but since you can't delete the [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► tweet tweet but never had to deal with [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► like as you can [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► speaking with you can't believe its weak [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► but it's that was sweet but doing you [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► swipe I guess I don't delete [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► sweet as often as i type i think is view [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► conversation yeah then there's two [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► different directions one of the few [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► times you know i think is favorite oh [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► that's right they used both directions [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► for the for the yeah yeah no I mean so [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► okay so there's a number of things to [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► respond to hear one of them is when [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► you're thinking about like how this app [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► should be or how this thing should be [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► actually like you know work through the [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► entire thing in your head to see like [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► you know maybe like to maybe think like [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► maybe there's a reason why doesn't that [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► way right or maybe that would present [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► more challenges and then we often just [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► like we're trying to like you know as as [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► our armchair people trying to tell Apple [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► what to do [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► like what if they did that like how [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► would that what are the other [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► ramifications of that so if if I didn't [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► do the button bar thing if I kept the [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► Delete in there [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► what other way that how else could i [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► make it actually discoverable people and [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► so the way that the Apple has to do with [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► that are all that you know you're [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► reading from the Higgs if this is the [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► gospel well get to that next but the way [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► they do it is on the resulting screen so [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► its look at mail mail is always a good [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► example of like standard UI kit [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► stop it is always good inspiration a [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► reference point for that so look at mail [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► with male you open the message as if you [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► see if you assume that you don't know [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► how to swype on table cells to delete [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► things which most people don't [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► if you open the message in the message [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► window there's delete button so if you [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► don't know how to stop on the table view [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► you're still seeing delete buttons all [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► the time so if I were to go down this [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► path with overcast intent to have to to [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► have like you know single tap to open [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► the message and to have a swipe offer [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► the delete or you know sales have to be [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► completed by the way had before [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► how else could i make delete more [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► discoverable so one way to do it would [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► be if i put delete in the info pane [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► which I could do what I forget whether I [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► did it or not but I could do that you [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► have delete be one of the buttons in the [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► info pane but in typical playback you're [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► not using the info pane typical playback [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► you're hitting the episode then it [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► begins playing in the screen if it's [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► this way and so it would have to be in [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► the now playing screen so now look at [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► the now playing screen where I put it [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► no no one's arguing that you should get [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► rid of the bar at least I'm certainly [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► wasn't I told me you okay people are you [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► have to it's different but I'm saying [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► like batting swipe to delete as a [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► shortcut for the people who happen to [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► know which is it definitely a tiny [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► detail nice to have thing that is not [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► essential for a three-point know that's [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► why i said the bar is obviously an [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► improvement like just you know hundred [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► percent and in fact I think you can it's [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► not obvious to a lot of people on [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► twitter at well that I think that the [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► other thing the bar it gives you looking [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► at it is i don't know how much metrics [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► are collecting in terms of usage but you [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► have a lot of room [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► not a lot at and I don't know what a how [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► common the you know add to playlist you [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► know the plus hamburger thing and the [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► star thing are or even the shit like you [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► have enough room to actually use that [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► bar as a place to highlight new features [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► in 4.0 or whatever as they come [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► and I think it's important to have a [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► moment like that and burying it under [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► info or putting on the now playing [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► screeching halt much worse this is [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► merely a question of and I don't [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► understand how this is spun out into the [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► giant big thing is this is such a minor [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► thing like this is not a problem with [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► the application at all it's just like [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► it's a problem with my thumb still doing [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► a thing and I'm just exploring why it [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► might do that is to continue to provide [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► affordances for the tiny amount of [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► people who who are used to or their [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► thumbs are used to doing a certain thing [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► in a way that doesn't attract it all [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► from the increased discoverability [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► provided by the little bar if people [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► arguing against the bar entirely to go [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► back to the old way I think they [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► probably doesn't have been using the app [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► long enough because when i first started [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► using with a little bar to it feels [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► weird you used to using overcast for at [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► this point like 10 years right [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► use the tapping to play a thing and you [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► tap the play thing in the podcast [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► doesn't start playing that's something I [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► got used to and it's not as if the first [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► type doesn't do anything [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► the first step reveals the bar so it's [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► not like with swiping where the swiping [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► just literally does nothing does not [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► give you any progress towards your [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► delete action you're trying to perform [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► tapping reveals the bar you have a [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► visual cue that there's something else [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► that you have to do and usually i'm [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► doing playlist anyway so just playing [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► one after the other so it's not a big [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► deal [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► yeah I again I until this podcast did [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► not even consider the idea of leaving [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► the swine [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► buttons in and also leaving the bar in [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► so I i actually I'm gonna go to see if I [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► can do that easily without massive [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► horrible side effects because of my [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► table you abuse that you have in the old [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► 1i don't even know if you had this did [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► you have the mail style SuperDuper swipe [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► it was like three buttons over there [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► yeah I had that like where you go all [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► the way to the end just deletes it [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► oh no that was never made available it [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► male always that whatever tableview male [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► uses always gets cool features like that [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► before they're available in the public [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► API so like like they they had the first [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► action buttons there for I think an [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► entire iOS version before it was easy to [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► do that you do that with other ways and [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► and then they later once they gave us [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► the API to make those action buttons [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► then mail got the ability to have the [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► full drag all the way across four delete [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► and I've I don't they ever made [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► available to anybody but that's a cool [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► feature i hope it doesn't come to table [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► views because it's it's definitely like [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► they were getting into the realm of like [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► not expert features but features that [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► hopefully never bother anybody [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► if you don't know they exist but once [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► you know they exist it becomes like [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► addictive to be able to goshen just you [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► know knockout think the only thing i [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► don't like about that feature is that if [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► you swipe up if you swipe mail messages [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► left there's an unread option is on the [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► side which does anything like you swipe [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► hard enough and just mark and right [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► that's cool if you swipe it right you [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► have that super mode where if you try to [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► far enough to just delete it and if and [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► far most button is trash but the other [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► two buttons that offers are more and [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► flag and so if you're opening that menu [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► in order to flag the message that's kind [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► of the opposite of putting in the trash [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► but if you drag just very slightly too [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► far and open the message up to delete it [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► yeah it's it's a fine line with the with [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► the swiping well it's it's a bad [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► decision like to me i think that that [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► everything that's not trash should be on [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► the other direction swipe menu if [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► they're gonna do that but if you're [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► going to have this all the way swipe [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► gesture because it's too easy to do this [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► destructive action when you're trying to [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► do flag or more i have the opposite [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► problem where i guess im to lazy with [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► the swipe and I wanted to delete it but [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► it didn't quite go far enough and have [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► to give a second attempt on it but i can [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► see the opposite being church with is [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► definitely with anything gestural that's [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► the problem [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► that's the good thing about the bathroom [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► i just really feel so good when they're [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► right but you get it's like game [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► controlling the video game you get a [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► little bit wrong and because it's not a [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► precise thing because it is inherently a [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► fuzzy thing it's really difficult to get [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► sort of the you know the control scheme [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► just right for everybody and everybody's [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► a little bit different as opposed to the [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► much more analytical world of pointers [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► and mouse control and how big targets [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► have to be you can it it's easier to [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► measure that is generally a more precise [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► thing although you know you mean you did [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► the basics here for the little bar [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► trashes far away from the play button [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► play is not all out a lasting traction [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► all around the right because the middle [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► is easier to hit the edges of the screen [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► like it's even you know that everything [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► you've just described about the [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► ergonomics of where items are in [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► relation to each other and how easy it [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► is to accidently is revealed in the bar [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► don't think you can maybe argue about is [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► whether the center is appropriate for [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► play but i think it is [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► yeah yeah I'd that i don't i don't think [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► i would hear any arguments about that i [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► think it again it's like it's like if [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► you think about where where else would [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► you put these things like it you come to [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► pretty similar conclusions i think with [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► a lot of this stuff anyway so yeah i'll [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► look into the double gesture thing [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► because that that that does make some [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► sense i do want to address though the [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► the whole like you know Hague adherence [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► to standards everything else as as [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► gospel at apple and and for those who [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► don't know his the human interface [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► guidelines it's been a document apple [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► has published forever [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► I and they revise it over time with new [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► os's and a new you know new knowledge [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► but basically it's like how it's like [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► the standards for how your interface [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► should look at work and be laid out it [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► for apples platforms over the years has [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► always been to debate over the hague and [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► whether it's okay to violate it went ok [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► to violate it and it's I think it's [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► similar to like rules of grammar for [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► poetry you know I think it's like you're [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► allowed to violate the heck if you if [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► you know what you're doing and you have [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► good reason [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► basically or you know like it's not like [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► the set in stone thing it and apple [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► violates the hague all the time with [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► their own apps like the they blatantly [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► violated and they don't care because [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► they think they know better and in many [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► cases that's true i am a developer for [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► years I said I'm not a designer [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► and when it became clear to me that I [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► was doing the vast majority of the [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► design in my apps i stop saying that I [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► think now no matter what anyone else [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► says I think of myself as an app [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► developer and designer combo in one even [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► though I'm not as good at the design [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► part of them the development part I now [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► do both of those rules i think that i [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► now have a good enough design sense that [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► I I can judge or I I can kind of have [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► some leeway in deciding when to break a [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► standard rule and it doesn't always work [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► sometimes after all back I have lots of [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► crazy ideas and make them are awful but [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► i think i now have earned myself the [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► right to break rules sometimes because [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► the fact is in order to do good design [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► and especially order to move things [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► forward you have to break the rules the [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► rules were never written to be gospel [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► they were never written to be here two [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► hundred percent at as soon as any [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► version of the pig is published Apple [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► already has apps out there that violated [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► all over the place because the hey guys [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► it's kind of like using stock UI kit [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► controls with stock themes on them it's [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► like you can do that for most people [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► that's a reasonable default that's a [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► good starting place if you aren't [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► confident whether you can break the [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► rules you should just do that like [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► that's that's fine but it's also nice to [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► have apps that don't follow all the [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► rules they push things forward or they [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► do things differently and that is how [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► progress made and that is often it that [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► often is necessary to result in an [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► overall better designer better more [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► usable app yeah you know I think of it [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► is that to me the best user interface is [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► one you don't have to think about right [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► the in it just feels frictionless that [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► that things are where you expect them to [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► be as an example as an unrelated example [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► in in my car I feel like everything is [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► where I expected to be even within I [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► Drive which a lot of people hate it [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► makes sense to my brain [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► maybe it doesn't to yours or to whomever [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► is what makes sense to me into the best [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► and eat like I said the best user [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► interfaces when you don't think about [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► and the moment I have to think about [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► that user interface about how I ain't [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► accomplish a task then I'm i'm [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► experiencing friction and I'm taken out [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► of the moment of what i'm trying to do [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► and we were beat me up a lot about this [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► yo swipe to delete thing because I i [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► think i speak for John and saying my [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► natural gut reaction is to just [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► immediately swipe and then i have to [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► think wait no no this is a place that [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► doesn't work [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► Oh what do I do oh yeah I tap and then I [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► tap again well that's fine it's just a [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► guy can't work the way I expected to and [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► that doesn't really negate anything you [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► said about how the big isn't it it's not [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► laws its guidelines you know a was a [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► stupid movie part of the Caribbean style [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► but I don't know it takes someone who is [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► very confident and with a lot of skill [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► like you had said to violate it in ways [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► that make sense like somebody in the [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► chatroom I already lost it was noted [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► that pole to refresh wasn't in the hague [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► and that's a perfect example of of [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► something that wasn't in the human [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► interface guidelines but just made [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► freakin sense and and that was a great [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► choice but other times i think you have [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► to be very confident and very very sure [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► you're right in order to get away with [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► violating it I think that the Higgs [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► changed over the years time for me to do [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► more old man stuff here when you guys [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► talk about the heck you're talking about [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► like the umpteenth iteration in the [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► modern era I know you guys started with [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► apple before iOS but not much before [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► like three years before something right [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► the human interface guidelines used to [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► be very very different than they than [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► they are now one thing that they shared [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► as the thing that you're talking about [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► Casey in the beginning part of what was [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► revolutionary about both the mac and the [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► human interface guidelines that came [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► along with it is the South the selling [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► point of the mac and a selling point of [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► the graphical user interface was there [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► will be a standard set of controls and a [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► standard guidelines for how to use them [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► so that if you learned how to use one [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► program on [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► Mac you can go to another program and [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► reuse a lot of those skills because they [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► would also have a menu bar with [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► pull-down menus it also use the same [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► command keys for things would also have [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► windows with the button at the [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► confirmation but on the right in the [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► cancel button on the left and all you [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► know the whole nine yards interface [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► consistency which was a revolutionary [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► and novel thing in an age when on das [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► use word star and it had absolutely [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► nothing in its interface in common with [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► wordperfect or whatever some other [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► contemporary even though they're both [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► word processors they didn't copy and [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► paste Texas and within format the same [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► way that the same menu structure to use [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► and keys [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► it was like I know WordStar can i [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► transfer those skills over to it you [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► could transfer your basic skills of [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► knowing where the keys are in the [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► keyboard and maybe if you're lucky that [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► they shared something about how their [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► interface work but they rapidly diverge [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► whereas you use Microsoft Word or mac [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► right is you know some of the menus for [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► the same there was a font menu is the [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► font sizing the fact that was menu bar [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► at all like that and just in general [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► using anything on the Mac you were able [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► to take the skills that you learn and [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► build on them to more rapidly get up to [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► speed and other updates that's the whole [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► point of the interface guidelines and [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► the way the document was different [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► is that especially in the beginning it [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► did way way less of explaining to you [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► how things should look for what you [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► should do and way way more of explaining [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► the reasoning behind it do this with [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► your whatever is because and then [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► explain the philosophy behind it and [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► very often that philosophy had had more [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► of a foundation on you know user testing [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► stuff look at The Hague today even even [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► just the first like aqua big for for Mac [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► os10 so much of it is about how big the [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► border should be between items like I [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► mean this is even talk about like sighs [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► minimum size of touch targets but just [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► like this is how you should lay out your [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► dialogue this is how far away buttons [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► label should be from their fields and [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► buttons should be from there whatever [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► this is how to hold this should be and [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► this is how much padding that should be [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► all things like that's all great and you [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► should totally have that interface [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► builder should do it for you [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► automatically which they added you know [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► like that's all fine but that does not [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► tell me why and that is how things [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► should look which is related to how they [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► work very often in terms of the size of [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► of touch targets and readability and why [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► labels that are aligned this way easier [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► to scan all the stuff but there's less [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► of the less of the philosophy lesson of [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► like let me just complain explain to the [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► concepts and here are some guidelines [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► but now you see these guidelines see [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► here's the concepts that that they flow [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► out of and when you're provided with the [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► concepts and actually given more free [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► rein in the old days to say follow these [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► these concepts in your custom interfaces [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► and yours will feel like ours rather [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► than saying just use our controls [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► because that's the only way you could [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► possibly do this the new ones feel more [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► like make your applications look like [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► ours down to the pixel use our standard [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► controls and we were really explain to [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► the reasons why is why is this alignment [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► or the spacing beneficial why should you [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► phrase the words in the dialogue in this [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► manner whether it's imperative why [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► should use verbs or buttons or why [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► should you know like the whole lot why [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► should you not use differently styled [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► text and you know they were used to have [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► reasons for it they would say when our [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► testing we found you put a bunch of old [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► words and dialogue that's all people [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► read so don't make bold words make [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► everything in the same consistent fine [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► just making this up this is not a real [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► thing but like to explain the reasoning [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► behind things that I feel like has been [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► lacking and because that's lacking I [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► feel like the human interface guidelines [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► for iOS and for the mac are way less [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► authoritative now in terms of how how [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► developers should take them like just [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► because it's in the hague that it's just [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► one other persons are a couple other [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► people's ideas and it's important for [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► you to know what they expect from you [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► from construction from consistent for [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► the sake of consistency with the other [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► applications but they're not going to [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► explain their reasoning and you suspect [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► that you might have a better way I think [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► you're much more likely today to [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► actually have a better way then you are [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► back in the old days where a nobody knew [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► anything and be Apple do so much more [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► than everybody else because developers [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► were coming up on the first time and [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► happily said put many many years into it [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► and they were you know the world's [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► leading experts on making [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► consumer-facing personal computer gooeys [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► for a very long time and they would they [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► would show their work they would say [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► here's why here's why we're doing all [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► this stuff and you really go well that [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► makes sense and if they said they did a [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► bunch of user testing you have a user [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► experience lab for you to test this [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► stuff [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► I have you hey product resident from [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► that from the jobs error was seemed like [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► he was much less of a fan of you know [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► the scientific method and user testing [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► and much more of a fan of using his gut [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► and it's got was pretty good but [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► sometimes you got like you know [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► stretch-leather and stuff so yeah anyway [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► uh oh [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► all this is to say that I have you know [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► I i put much less take in the end apples [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► human interface guidelines now than I [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► did many decades ago but the guideline [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► that you know that the the guiding [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► principle i think every developer uses [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► who's making their applications is to [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► try to make it fit in with what the user [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► expects again like if you made a mac [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► application and you didn't have a menu [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► bar or you're like the file and edit [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► menus were in the opposite order even if [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► you think you have a really good reason [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► for that [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► it's probably not a good idea but if you [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► want to put different items in your file [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► menu as long as quick as at the bottom [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► if you're really old that's where used [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► to be everybody is always quit the [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► bottom people are okay with your shotgun [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► and a few other items and when and you [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► know third-party applications like Marco [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► said push the interface story because [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► the Apple can't cover all your possible [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► scenario so photoshop starts doing [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► something and photoshop does it for 25 [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► years eventually [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► well that's in the human interface [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► guidelines not if you're making graphics [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► application it would be a good idea for [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► you to perhaps take a few conventions [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► from Photoshop because it's so important [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► in its field and I think it's the same [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► way a lot of Twitter clients get away [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► with the sideswipes which I don't know [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► who invented that but it's all over the [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► place and Twitter clients up because if [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► you use a lot of our clients eventually [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► that's what you get used to and in the [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► realm of podcasts apps i feel like if [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► you use a lot of podcasts apps i don't [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► use a lot of them but I imagine there [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► are some conventions for controlling [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► things that they would have some [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► commonality between the you begin to [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► read read landscape and get used to [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► using how do you want every time of [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► application to be different but where [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► you start falling back to the bedrock of [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► expectation is that for things like [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► muscle memory and you know the fact that [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► using a table view at all and the fact [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► that you know that the transitions [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► between things sort of mental and [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► spatial model of how the application [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► flows from left to right and for coming [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► up for [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► bottom also judgment calls to make their [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► but in general you try to keep it [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► consistent and you know if you miss one [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► little tiny corner where now-deleted [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► works a little bit differently it's [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► probably not a big deal especially since [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► the elite is probably not a common [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► operation that's no but it's if it's a [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► place where you can if it's a place [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► where you can return that uh where you [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► can fulfill that expectation in a way [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► that lets you retain all the other [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► benefits it's a pretty clean one [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► I mean I i would question even more of [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► the feature you do have their with your [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► memory for was like being able to [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► dismiss the thing that comes up from the [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► bottom by sliding sideways makes not [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► much sense no spatially speaking as [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► probably miss feature the only reason [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► it's there is to honor the muscle memory [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► of users of your specific application [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► because if you didn't ever use the [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► previous version overcast you would [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► never expect that to work you would [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► never even try it right but you're just [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► doing that to just give a little help to [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► those people I think this is the same [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► category of things in fact i would i [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► would trade these in terms of what is [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► more beneficial in the long run i would [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► say if i had to sacrifice once you don't [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► you just keep both of them but if I had [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► to sacrifice one I would say besides [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► what people will get used to the card [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► coming for the bottom pretty quick and [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► it's just a gesture in a different [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► direction whereas the swipe to delete [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► others are still being trained by the [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► whole rest of their entire iOS device to [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► keep doing that responsive tonight by [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► warby parker to start your free home [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► try-on today go to worry Parker calm / [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► ATP worry Parker believes that I glasses [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► should not cost as much as a phone they [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► have prescription eyeglasses starting [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► just $95 including prescription lenses [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► and they make buying glasses online easy [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► and risk-free sounds kind of crazy but [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► here's how they do it they had this home [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► try-on program [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► this allows you to order up to five [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► pairs of eyeglasses and you a ship new [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► for free and you try them on for five [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► days with no obligation to buy when [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► you're done you shipping back in the [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► free prepaid return label you're out no [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► money for this whole process and again [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► no obligation to buy if you want to buy [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► of course to make it very very easy they [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► have a or Parker app from the app store [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► also as a home trying companion feature [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► which allows you to quickly take photos [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► you can wait wearing all the frames that [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► you're trying on you can stitch into a [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► video you [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► share with friends and family to help [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► you pick a winner you get feedback from [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► everybody buying glasses through them is [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► in my opinion probably easier than [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► buying them from anybody else [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► and of course they do good in the world [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► to for every pair of eyeglasses you buy [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► a pair is attributed to someone in need [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► through various vision charities around [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► the world you gotta check it out the [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► warby parker glasses are great my wife [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► has a couple of pairs she loves them [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► I don't wear glasses but i do have [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► sunglasses from them because they also [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► have sunglasses including polarized [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► lenses starting just $95 for [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► non-prescription and with prescription [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► starting just $275 just like their [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► eyeglasses that you can also get some [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► glasses through the home try-on program [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► these are premium polarized lenses that [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► are scratch resistant and a hundred [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► percent UV protection [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► you gotta check out work Parker their [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► glasses are so good they're fashionable [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► and it's so easy to buy from them last [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► are just $95 including prescription [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► lenses lenses include anti-glare and [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► scratch coatings check it out warby [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► parker calm / ATP for your home trying [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► kit today thank you very much to worry [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► Parker for sponsoring our show [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► ah before we move on from overcast i did [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► want to briefly ask you about this this [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► new ad model and i'm not entirely sure I [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► understand the nuances of it and so I [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► I'm going to defer my chief summarizer [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► in chief role to you [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► Marco if you could summarize what this [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► this new setup is and in kinda how it [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► works and broad strokes sure [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► so basically before you know it by i [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► have as as John likes to remind me i [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► change my business model however cast [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► roughly every you know nine to 18 months [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► I've gone through many of them now [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► the one I've settled on since this past [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► September which is just going to be a [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► tweak the one before it is basically [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► adds as like the main source of income [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► and then paid subscriptions to remove [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► the ads if you want to and the way this [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► is worked out over time is actually not [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► that way the way it's worked out since [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► sep tember when i add these these a [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► Google AdMob ads and by the way just as [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► quickly occasion I know there are other [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► ad networks but they're all worse in [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► some major way [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► either they have creepier code or they [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► require more sdk integration they're [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► kind of like networks where they have to [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► add lots of SDKs to your apt for all [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► these different companies or they just [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► don't sell enough inventory you end up [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► getting very little money from from your [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► ads and a lot of like unsold inventory [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► us because like show nothing for or show [TS]