Cortex 46: External Thinking Tool


00:00:00   previously on cortex what I did and when [TS]

00:00:03   I was kind of alluding to is this thing [TS]

00:00:05   where i have spent a very significant [TS]

00:00:09   part of January breaking down the [TS]

00:00:12   entirety of how do i work what are my [TS]

00:00:16   systems around work how do i use task [TS]

00:00:18   management how do i organized notes [TS]

00:00:20   breaking down absolutely everything to [TS]

00:00:22   nothing and starting over [TS]

00:00:27   you've got the voice for that that was [TS]

00:00:30   really good [TS]

00:00:31   should look into that I swear to God I [TS]

00:00:33   would do voiceover work if I could do i [TS]

00:00:36   really would seem that seems great shall [TS]

00:00:38   I try as well yeah you go ahead [TS]

00:00:40   previously on cortex I should maybe try [TS]

00:00:45   it with the American accent I think it [TS]

00:00:47   works back with the American accent [TS]

00:00:48   right can you do with an American accent [TS]

00:00:50   so shall i say let's see what happens [TS]

00:00:52   previously on cortex know those terrible [TS]

00:00:55   American successful previously on cortex [TS]

00:00:58   this is getting worse [TS]

00:01:00   you need to abort Mike I just end up [TS]

00:01:04   just moving further and further south [TS]

00:01:06   down my American accent attempt yeah [TS]

00:01:08   your first go was the best and the [TS]

00:01:10   Alaska was the worst alright well at [TS]

00:01:12   least we know the two of us who do the [TS]

00:01:14   voice of work when it's time for the [TS]

00:01:15   movie so yeah last time you spoke a [TS]

00:01:21   little bit about the fact that you had [TS]

00:01:23   decided to go bare bones with your task [TS]

00:01:28   management break everything down go to a [TS]

00:01:33   new unmentioned location somewhere in [TS]

00:01:38   england i suppose and all my other node [TS]

00:01:42   maybe went to the continent who knows i [TS]

00:01:44   was in an undisclosed location in [TS]

00:01:47   finnish scandia that my wife sent me too [TS]

00:01:51   because you because you were she knows [TS]

00:01:57   me she knows me very well [TS]

00:01:59   hey yeah it was like hey buddy it's time [TS]

00:02:01   to start making some money again need to [TS]

00:02:03   get out of the house and you need to [TS]

00:02:05   reboot [TS]

00:02:08   so you you were flown off to a faraway [TS]

00:02:11   land and you you broke everything down [TS]

00:02:14   and you start it over for your review at [TS]

00:02:17   the year and you did it on pen and paper [TS]

00:02:19   which is which is very different to that [TS]

00:02:21   to the usual great way right of ipads [TS]

00:02:24   and and and the like you know that we [TS]

00:02:27   believe in you decided to break it all [TS]

00:02:29   down and I wanted to kind of touch on [TS]

00:02:32   this a little bit when did you first [TS]

00:02:35   realize that pen and paper was a good [TS]

00:02:38   system to kind of do a a retooling of [TS]

00:02:42   your task management [TS]

00:02:43   okay Mike we need to we need to rewind [TS]

00:02:47   all the way back to a childhood gray [TS]

00:02:51   home little gray from a long time ago my [TS]

00:02:55   father is a lawyer and he's always had [TS]

00:02:58   around the house [TS]

00:03:00   these legal pads ever since I was a [TS]

00:03:02   little kid and they have always been a [TS]

00:03:07   thing that i would like sketch on and [TS]

00:03:10   and right on and always felt like it [TS]

00:03:15   like an external thinking tool like how [TS]

00:03:20   do i think i need to write something [TS]

00:03:21   down ever since I was a little kid this [TS]

00:03:23   is always a thing that I have done and [TS]

00:03:26   throughout my life as I have [TS]

00:03:28   transitioned from various tools and [TS]

00:03:31   different ways of working i have always [TS]

00:03:35   been aware that there is something that [TS]

00:03:39   is just different about paper that is [TS]

00:03:44   really helpful in some scenarios and [TS]

00:03:48   when I was a teacher i ran my whole [TS]

00:03:51   system entirely on paper because i found [TS]

00:03:56   that that was actually the best tool to [TS]

00:03:58   solve the problem that i was trying to [TS]

00:04:00   solve at that time [TS]

00:04:01   and if for some reason I went back to [TS]

00:04:03   being a teacher I would almost certainly [TS]

00:04:06   do the same thing again that I would run [TS]

00:04:09   that system on paper because there are [TS]

00:04:11   cases where paper is just better like [TS]

00:04:13   having a clipboard with a bunch of [TS]

00:04:15   sheets arranged in a particular way [TS]

00:04:16   sometimes you're never going to beat [TS]

00:04:18   that like not even with an ipad but but [TS]

00:04:21   more importantly that there's two things [TS]

00:04:23   that I did at the beginning of the years [TS]

00:04:26   is breaking down the organization system [TS]

00:04:28   and doing the review these are slightly [TS]

00:04:31   different tasks so in doing a big review [TS]

00:04:35   when I say here that i am using paper [TS]

00:04:38   that is paper in quotation marks because [TS]

00:04:42   i was actually using good notes on my [TS]

00:04:45   ipad with paper templates so i actually [TS]

00:04:49   worked with Frank a designer that you [TS]

00:04:52   have worked with for relaying who is [TS]

00:04:55   fantastic and i knew i was going to be [TS]

00:04:57   doing just a ton of this like thinking [TS]

00:05:00   work for my seasonal review and so I [TS]

00:05:03   message Frank and I asked him to create [TS]

00:05:06   for me a whole bunch of templates that [TS]

00:05:10   were legal pad papers so I had him [TS]

00:05:14   essentially recreate from my childhood [TS]

00:05:19   all over the possible paper templates a [TS]

00:05:23   man could want and was like listen buddy [TS]

00:05:27   i'm going to be doing a bunch of writing [TS]

00:05:29   and a bunch of thinking I'm gonna need [TS]

00:05:31   some graph papers i'm going to need some [TS]

00:05:33   yellow legal paper i'm gonna need wide [TS]

00:05:36   line i'm going to need narrow line i'm [TS]

00:05:37   going to need them in blue and green and [TS]

00:05:40   pink and he ended up creating for me [TS]

00:05:42   just a fantastic set of these papers [TS]

00:05:45   even added in a very extremely subtle [TS]

00:05:48   soft paper texture which was really nice [TS]

00:05:52   he's a professional inna it is he's very [TS]

00:05:55   professional these things were just [TS]

00:05:56   great and this is a case where for [TS]

00:06:00   thinking about stuff paper i find this [TS]

00:06:02   useful tool that's hard to in some sense [TS]

00:06:07   it's hard to say what's going on but it [TS]

00:06:10   allow it allows me to kind of like right [TS]

00:06:12   out and sketch out some ideas [TS]

00:06:14   you have this this free form this too is [TS]

00:06:17   like you're not constrained into a [TS]

00:06:19   particular application and so when I was [TS]

00:06:22   doing a bunch of reviews and thinking [TS]

00:06:23   about my workflow it was really much of [TS]

00:06:25   a process of like I'm just gonna sit [TS]

00:06:27   here in this undisclosed location in [TS]

00:06:29   Scandia and i'm going to have this [TS]

00:06:32   digital paper in front of me [TS]

00:06:35   alright so okay you lost me just a touch [TS]

00:06:37   here huh [TS]

00:06:38   there was never actual paper know we'll [TS]

00:06:41   get to the real paper Mike don't worry [TS]

00:06:42   there's a paper we're going to get to [TS]

00:06:44   that end it right good but i just wanna [TS]

00:06:46   I want to specify like there's two [TS]

00:06:47   different things here [TS]

00:06:48   ok so I'm sitting down with the digital [TS]

00:06:50   paper and just kind of writing out and [TS]

00:06:53   going through the seasonal review as [TS]

00:06:56   soon as one of you has like a bunch of [TS]

00:06:58   questions that I sort of asked myself [TS]

00:06:59   and things I'm thinking about but I do [TS]

00:07:02   really like having the digital paper for [TS]

00:07:05   this stuff because i do like to keep a [TS]

00:07:07   record of the previous reviews that I [TS]

00:07:09   have done and so I want to be able to [TS]

00:07:11   kind of sometimes go back and see like [TS]

00:07:13   whatever I looked at in the past like [TS]

00:07:14   what has been on my mind so I do like to [TS]

00:07:17   have a record of this stuff and there's [TS]

00:07:21   an enormous amount of like sketching and [TS]

00:07:23   other things that I'm doing that help [TS]

00:07:26   with thinking through things so [TS]

00:07:29   something else that I did was like I I [TS]

00:07:31   by hand recreated a little overview [TS]

00:07:35   calendar for the entire year and i was [TS]

00:07:37   using that to roughly plan out like when [TS]

00:07:40   are things going to happen in the year [TS]

00:07:41   what are their periods of the year where [TS]

00:07:43   I'm going to be busy what are the [TS]

00:07:44   periods where I'm not going to be busy [TS]

00:07:45   and this is a case where like doing it [TS]

00:07:49   by hand [TS]

00:07:51   even though in in some ways like well [TS]

00:07:52   that's ridiculous you could download a [TS]

00:07:54   PDF that would have an overview calendar [TS]

00:07:56   for the year and just feeling like yes [TS]

00:07:57   that's true but there's something about [TS]

00:08:00   doing it this way that is intentional [TS]

00:08:05   that it it it slows you down and it [TS]

00:08:09   focuses your mind very clearly on the [TS]

00:08:12   task at hand so I i find this just a [TS]

00:08:16   ridiculously useful and very valuable [TS]

00:08:20   process to kind of like rethink [TS]

00:08:23   absolutely everything about what i am [TS]

00:08:26   doing and in the process of doing this I [TS]

00:08:30   realized that I wanted to rework my [TS]

00:08:34   entire organization system which brings [TS]

00:08:38   us to the actual physical paper Mike are [TS]

00:08:41   you happy we get to the real paper at [TS]

00:08:43   this point I am very happy but there's [TS]

00:08:45   something I want to go back to ok [TS]

00:08:47   tumbling across I want to redo my entire [TS]

00:08:51   organizational system is quite a [TS]

00:08:54   revelation to have I just I feel like I [TS]

00:08:58   just have to point to that like how do [TS]

00:09:00   you get there [TS]

00:09:01   well like that's not your [TS]

00:09:02   run-of-the-mill everyday kind of thought [TS]

00:09:05   which is like I want to redo everything [TS]

00:09:07   especially as someone you really pay a [TS]

00:09:10   lot of attention to this this is [TS]

00:09:12   something you've filled around with for [TS]

00:09:14   an amount of time and come to a place [TS]

00:09:17   where you'd stuck to write so you know [TS]

00:09:19   over the show we spoke about you move [TS]

00:09:21   into to do moving away from the focus [TS]

00:09:23   back to only focus because it gave you [TS]

00:09:25   what you needed with the right [TS]

00:09:26   trade-offs and and that was where you'd [TS]

00:09:28   stayed and it really sounded like it [TS]

00:09:30   I'm there I'm in it GTD forever [TS]

00:09:34   I think they're there is an undercurrent [TS]

00:09:35   of GTD not working that great for me in [TS]

00:09:38   the show when I do talk about it [TS]

00:09:40   sometimes [TS]

00:09:40   yep like this this to me fits into this [TS]

00:09:44   question of though I didn't have the [TS]

00:09:45   word for it at the time the year of [TS]

00:09:48   redirection mm and so what's occurring [TS]

00:09:52   here is as i was doing this big review [TS]

00:09:56   as i was spending a bunch of time [TS]

00:09:57   concertedly focusing on on how do i work [TS]

00:10:01   i was just thinking of a lot of the ways [TS]

00:10:03   that in the previous year i had had [TS]

00:10:06   frustrations or difficulties or like a [TS]

00:10:10   lack of smoothness in a bunch of the [TS]

00:10:12   ways that i work and the thing that I [TS]

00:10:17   was thinking about I decided okay I'm [TS]

00:10:19   going to start over and build up it is [TS]

00:10:23   like I'm still in this process now I [TS]

00:10:25   don't have a definitive answer for like [TS]

00:10:27   what have I built up to i'm still very [TS]

00:10:29   much in in the middle of thinking about [TS]

00:10:31   all of this and working on this but it [TS]

00:10:32   doesn't necessarily mean [TS]

00:10:35   that I'm building up to something that [TS]

00:10:38   is entirely new and different from [TS]

00:10:40   whatever it is that I used before [TS]

00:10:44   it's like we mentioned last time when we [TS]

00:10:47   were discussing talking with another [TS]

00:10:49   person forces you to think about your [TS]

00:10:51   reasons for why are you doing a thing [TS]

00:10:53   and starting over with [TS]

00:10:58   like how am I going to arrange my work [TS]

00:11:01   this this is a way of like oh I've built [TS]

00:11:04   up this castle but let me let me take it [TS]

00:11:06   apart and let me examine all of the [TS]

00:11:09   individual bricks and then say like is [TS]

00:11:11   this is this brick should this brick be [TS]

00:11:13   here [TS]

00:11:13   should this thing be replaced as we're [TS]

00:11:15   building up to some kind of structure [TS]

00:11:17   that we're going to live in [TS]

00:11:18   let's re-examine the decisions that we [TS]

00:11:21   made because maybe some of these things [TS]

00:11:23   and i know for a fact some of these [TS]

00:11:24   things are built on foundations that are [TS]

00:11:26   years old at this point it's like do [TS]

00:11:28   these assumptions still hold true is [TS]

00:11:31   this still the best way to work for me [TS]

00:11:34   now [TS]

00:11:34   maybe maybe not so that so that's what [TS]

00:11:38   this like rebuilding the system is it's [TS]

00:11:42   a it's a way to force re-evaluation of [TS]

00:11:46   all of the parts [TS]

00:11:47   yeah it's not something that I want to [TS]

00:11:49   do very often [TS]

00:11:50   hi it's been a long long time since I've [TS]

00:11:54   done something this extreme so yeah it's [TS]

00:11:57   it's just that that's what's occurring [TS]

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00:14:18   about the paper okay of course in right [TS]

00:14:20   now he's obsessed with the paper Mike [TS]

00:14:22   you're obsessed with the paper i'm not [TS]

00:14:23   even gonna ask you what pen and paper [TS]

00:14:26   using like physical stuff so I know it's [TS]

00:14:29   only going to upset me i couldn't even [TS]

00:14:31   tell you what i was using this is why I [TS]

00:14:34   didn't want to ask because I think you [TS]

00:14:35   need to say that will you tell me [TS]

00:14:37   something that would just make me sad [TS]

00:14:38   like Oh what was in the hotel like I [TS]

00:14:40   don't worry about that is the and we [TS]

00:14:45   went on a quest i gave you pens you know [TS]

00:14:49   yeah but it's like dude was in some [TS]

00:14:51   other location you know as user was [TS]

00:14:53   working with the tools that were [TS]

00:14:54   available to me at the time it was fine [TS]

00:14:55   you just pick up the ipad that was there [TS]

00:14:57   as well right [TS]

00:14:58   whatever ipad they had laying around [TS]

00:15:00   now however I brought my ipad pro with [TS]

00:15:03   me and then was working on those [TS]

00:15:04   beautiful templates that Frank me but [TS]

00:15:07   now for the actual physical paper i used [TS]

00:15:10   i used what was available to me like I [TS]

00:15:12   couldn't even tell you what it was [TS]

00:15:14   besides it was a pen and they were index [TS]

00:15:18   cards and pieces of paper [TS]

00:15:20   ok I'm sorry I'm sorry okay its okay its [TS]

00:15:22   okay i don't wanna talk about it okay [TS]

00:15:24   that's fine let's just move on from that [TS]

00:15:26   I want to go brother [TS]

00:15:27   so what what point this actual paper [TS]

00:15:31   have to come into this you've clearly [TS]

00:15:32   gotten to a point where like I know what [TS]

00:15:34   to do i'll get this digital paper that [TS]

00:15:35   will be better but then you still ended [TS]

00:15:38   up coming back to physical pen and paper [TS]

00:15:40   again [TS]

00:15:40   ok so again that the digital paper is [TS]

00:15:44   about the overall review and the Fate [TS]

00:15:47   one thing that falls out of this is [TS]

00:15:49   rework the organization system as as [TS]

00:15:51   part of this process like this many [TS]

00:15:53   other things that fall out of the [TS]

00:15:54   overall review but this is just one of [TS]

00:15:55   those things now why am I using actual [TS]

00:16:00   physical paper to try to rework the [TS]

00:16:02   system it's because just like just like [TS]

00:16:09   the digital paper kind of frees you from [TS]

00:16:11   a bunch of the constraints that you can [TS]

00:16:14   sort of do whatever you want with it [TS]

00:16:15   when i'm working with physical paper [TS]

00:16:19   it's a similar thing of like I'm trying [TS]

00:16:21   to write down what like what are the [TS]

00:16:22   things that are on my mind like what are [TS]

00:16:24   the things that I'm trying to work [TS]

00:16:25   towards and what I ended up doing is [TS]

00:16:27   again having a bunch of index cards and [TS]

00:16:31   pieces of paper and just sort of like [TS]

00:16:33   what I'm trying to do is put the work in [TS]

00:16:36   front of me so that i can see it all [TS]

00:16:39   right that I can like look at everything [TS]

00:16:42   all at once and think about how do I [TS]

00:16:45   want to arrange this kind of thing and [TS]

00:16:48   though I am a man with many ipads there [TS]

00:16:52   are not enough iPads in the world and [TS]

00:16:54   it's not convenient enough to be able to [TS]

00:16:57   have like a table where there's seven [TS]

00:16:59   iPads in front of me where i've written [TS]

00:17:01   a bunch of things like with actual paper [TS]

00:17:03   you can really spread out and then try [TS]

00:17:05   to move things around like organize [TS]

00:17:07   stuff and so does this go over here it [TS]

00:17:09   so it's a way of thinking visually and [TS]

00:17:12   and thinking physical [TS]

00:17:14   like rearranging items and and and [TS]

00:17:17   moving things so this is a huge [TS]

00:17:18   advantage of using actual physical paper [TS]

00:17:22   for for this kind of thing I also think [TS]

00:17:25   it's a big advantage that if you don't [TS]

00:17:29   know what it is that you want to do you [TS]

00:17:33   can't answer the question what tool is [TS]

00:17:37   best for accomplishing this task and so [TS]

00:17:40   many of the times when we have discussed [TS]

00:17:42   in the past task managers or similar [TS]

00:17:45   tools it becomes very much a question of [TS]

00:17:48   like what are the features of this task [TS]

00:17:52   manager [TS]

00:17:53   what can it do versus what other task [TS]

00:17:55   managers can do you know the joy of [TS]

00:17:57   switching from one task manager to [TS]

00:17:59   another is really a process of learning [TS]

00:18:02   how the programmers of the task manager [TS]

00:18:05   want you to arrange all of your things [TS]

00:18:07   yep and like anytime you use any task [TS]

00:18:11   manager doesn't matter what it is [TS]

00:18:14   doesn't matter how fantastic it is there [TS]

00:18:16   is some process of you need to mold your [TS]

00:18:20   mind to the way the programmer thinks it [TS]

00:18:24   is sensible to organize information is [TS]

00:18:27   this is fundamentally unavoidable and [TS]

00:18:29   that is also i always say that there is [TS]

00:18:31   an infinite market for task managers [TS]

00:18:34   because everybody thinks in a slightly [TS]

00:18:36   different way and everybody wants a [TS]

00:18:38   slightly different set of features and [TS]

00:18:40   the market can always accept another [TS]

00:18:41   task manager for whom sums portion of [TS]

00:18:44   the audience will say oh that is perfect [TS]

00:18:46   for me it does this one thing in this [TS]

00:18:48   way that is just right for my brain so [TS]

00:18:50   putting all of the work on paper is it [TS]

00:18:52   is a way to avoid that it's a way to try [TS]

00:18:56   to think about how to organize stuff [TS]

00:18:58   without feeling constrained by things [TS]

00:19:01   like who does this task manager support [TS]

00:19:04   start dates [TS]

00:19:05   how does this thing handle recurring [TS]

00:19:07   items it's like that that's down in the [TS]

00:19:09   weeds that's down in the details and i'm [TS]

00:19:11   trying to think about it from a much [TS]

00:19:14   higher level of like what is the thing [TS]

00:19:16   that I'm working on what am I trying to [TS]

00:19:18   achieve here so i'll just say at this [TS]

00:19:21   point that i am into doest now which is [TS]

00:19:25   something i've been talking about for [TS]

00:19:26   far too long [TS]

00:19:27   mmm the process of moving the tasks was [TS]

00:19:30   horrific [TS]

00:19:31   I i can only imagine because it has to [TS]

00:19:33   be done manually of course and there are [TS]

00:19:40   things that I like about it and there [TS]

00:19:42   are things that I don't like about it [TS]

00:19:43   who one of my biggest things i don't [TS]

00:19:46   like is exactly that around something [TS]

00:19:47   like recurring tasks who has the [TS]

00:19:50   functionality for them but doesn't [TS]

00:19:52   really have the UI for it [TS]

00:19:54   who you have to write it in in the [TS]

00:19:57   language of the understands that I've [TS]

00:19:59   seen that there are nuances to that [TS]

00:20:01   language and everyone that I speak to [TS]

00:20:04   that users to do this like once you [TS]

00:20:05   learn the language you're good which I [TS]

00:20:07   totally appreciate and it is that [TS]

00:20:10   language that i think will be the [TS]

00:20:12   ultimate reason I stick with two doest [TS]

00:20:14   because the idea of natural language [TS]

00:20:17   processing off not necessary natural [TS]

00:20:21   language but being able to speak to the [TS]

00:20:24   application is valuable for me it's why [TS]

00:20:27   i don't imagine ever moving away from [TS]

00:20:29   fantastic hell because I know how to [TS]

00:20:32   type into fantastical the appointment [TS]

00:20:36   right right and i love that and to do is [TS]

00:20:41   has that feature i'm still getting my [TS]

00:20:43   head around it but it is I think what [TS]

00:20:46   will keep me there because i am able to [TS]

00:20:48   talk to doest and say to it i want to [TS]

00:20:52   set this task at this date and I'm now [TS]

00:20:55   using projects which have never used [TS]

00:20:57   before because it's really easy to add [TS]

00:20:59   those because you just type them in blue [TS]

00:21:02   so in a way to try and see if [TS]

00:21:03   categorizing this and honestly I think [TS]

00:21:05   the time tracking has helped me think [TS]

00:21:08   about projects in my to do [TS]

00:21:10   hmm and I'm trying to match those up and [TS]

00:21:13   seeing what that looks like a giving [TS]

00:21:16   things the same kind of names who I [TS]

00:21:20   don't know what that's going to result [TS]

00:21:21   in yet but I feel like that there could [TS]

00:21:23   be something there that helps me kind of [TS]

00:21:25   compartmentalize my work a little better [TS]

00:21:27   i'm still playing around with the [TS]

00:21:30   automation I've signed up for a peer [TS]

00:21:33   them what I want to come back to that at [TS]

00:21:36   some point in the future [TS]

00:21:37   yeah that's a big thing that's a whole [TS]

00:21:39   thing but as a peer is a service like if [TS]

00:21:42   this then that which allows you to [TS]

00:21:44   connect web services together as a peer [TS]

00:21:47   is very powerful and a lot more powerful [TS]

00:21:50   than its system that more complicated [TS]

00:21:53   but more powerful and can do some [TS]

00:21:55   interesting things so I'm plotting still [TS]

00:21:57   playing around all of that and trying to [TS]

00:21:58   work out how to do is scan and and [TS]

00:22:01   moving to google calendar and all of [TS]

00:22:03   that stuff that stuff is all still a [TS]

00:22:05   play on a general day today so I i have [TS]

00:22:09   been running on the focus and to do it [TS]

00:22:11   in parallel to make sure that they're [TS]

00:22:13   working the way that I expect a huge [TS]

00:22:15   thing to do that is a fun phase in any [TS]

00:22:18   transition like this is all the kind of [TS]

00:22:20   stuff I'm trying to avoid with paper [TS]

00:22:21   it's like Jesus Christ I don't want to [TS]

00:22:22   think about this but that it that is a [TS]

00:22:24   horrible phase where you're running to [TS]

00:22:26   task managers because you want to make [TS]

00:22:28   sure that the one isn't missing things [TS]

00:22:31   that is still in the other one because [TS]

00:22:33   here's the thing i have an incredible [TS]

00:22:35   level of crosstown OmniFocus student to [TS]

00:22:38   do this has to win my trust [TS]

00:22:40   oh yeah of course right and and just in [TS]

00:22:42   you know like even in the adding of [TS]

00:22:44   tasks can be like has it really set that [TS]

00:22:47   to bring do it is like I've asked it to [TS]

00:22:50   do this every second Tuesday doesn't [TS]

00:22:52   understand what that is and like when [TS]

00:22:54   adding the tasks i was checking them off [TS]

00:22:56   and see and what day it will come up [TS]

00:22:58   next and blue so i'm i'm still in that [TS]

00:23:00   process and it's a disgusting process to [TS]

00:23:02   be in but it's kind of just the way that [TS]

00:23:06   these things have to go because [TS]

00:23:08   unfortunately there is no share i really [TS]

00:23:10   wish that a protocol like email existed [TS]

00:23:13   for tasks [TS]

00:23:14   yeah keep dreaming buddy it's never [TS]

00:23:16   going to happen now because we're too [TS]

00:23:17   far down the rabbit hole but why would [TS]

00:23:19   such a thing exists it's too late now [TS]

00:23:21   yeah but I really wish that something [TS]

00:23:23   like that did exist so we could move to [TS]

00:23:25   do applications as easily as we could [TS]

00:23:27   move email apps as ever anyone's isn't [TS]

00:23:30   that a shuffle long enough will know [TS]

00:23:31   that we love to do so i am i'm very [TS]

00:23:37   interested in in continuing this [TS]

00:23:39   powerful todoist and I think that once i [TS]

00:23:41   am used to it it really will be the the [TS]

00:23:44   natural language engine that keeps me [TS]

00:23:47   they're more than anything else that [TS]

00:23:49   that has already [TS]

00:23:51   by far away been the most interesting [TS]

00:23:53   part of it so far [TS]

00:23:55   even more interesting than the [TS]

00:23:56   automation which was the thing in my [TS]

00:23:58   brain is the reason who it was and it [TS]

00:24:01   was the kicker and I think as time goes [TS]

00:24:03   on and integrate the automation that [TS]

00:24:05   will become a second pillar of Y to do [TS]

00:24:07   is just his superior for me i hope but [TS]

00:24:10   the me just being able to type in and [TS]

00:24:13   also with using the Amazon echo dictate [TS]

00:24:16   tasks this natural language engine i [TS]

00:24:19   think will become the reason that I [TS]

00:24:22   stick with it but it's it's I'm still [TS]

00:24:24   very much in the I wouldn't even call it [TS]

00:24:27   honeymoon phase basically me and to do [TS]

00:24:30   is to moved in together uh-huh and [TS]

00:24:32   currently we're finding the things that [TS]

00:24:34   annoy each other about each other that [TS]

00:24:37   we are in that phase right now and we're [TS]

00:24:40   currently just trying to find some [TS]

00:24:41   common ground on some things [TS]

00:24:44   Oh Mike I understand I understand your [TS]

00:24:47   pain here i really really do [TS]

00:24:50   yeah it's like everything I'm doing is [TS]

00:24:52   trying to avoid this for as long as [TS]

00:24:54   possible before I'd like a witch tools [TS]

00:24:57   and switching for thing because it is [TS]

00:24:59   such an enormous hassle it is it is [TS]

00:25:01   always a rejiggering your brain to [TS]

00:25:04   thinking the way the other thing works [TS]

00:25:06   it is a process of regaining trust in [TS]

00:25:10   another it's yep it is no fun it is no [TS]

00:25:14   fun to do is the thing you want to do is [TS]

00:25:16   as rarely as possible [TS]

00:25:18   you're living in fear for a while yes [TS]

00:25:21   yeah there's an excellent way to put it [TS]

00:25:23   looks like what-what terribly important [TS]

00:25:26   thing is not going to happen because I [TS]

00:25:30   switch from only focus todoist what is [TS]

00:25:32   it you know is it that I just forget to [TS]

00:25:36   show up for something or do I forget to [TS]

00:25:38   send in my tax return [TS]

00:25:39   yeah like what is it that it's going to [TS]

00:25:41   make me do it or I i have i know i have [TS]

00:25:44   things in my various to do applications [TS]

00:25:46   that are sometimes years out right like [TS]

00:25:50   a remind me in two years kind of thing [TS]

00:25:53   is like it's really hard to make sure [TS]

00:25:56   that you have all of those bases covered [TS]

00:25:58   luckily my total amount of [TS]

00:26:01   of items is about 50 items them you know [TS]

00:26:05   as we spoken before I try and run my to [TS]

00:26:08   do managers lean as possible so that is [TS]

00:26:12   good i can only imagine for you it is [TS]

00:26:14   more than that I don't know by what [TS]

00:26:16   factor by i imagine it is more and and i [TS]

00:26:19   know that many people listening will run [TS]

00:26:21   their to-do apps very differently to the [TS]

00:26:24   way that I do right and more will have [TS]

00:26:26   more and I could have more but I try my [TS]

00:26:29   best to not do that and there are other [TS]

00:26:31   little things i still need to get used [TS]

00:26:33   to like I haven't changed over some of [TS]

00:26:35   the templates that I made by know i can [TS]

00:26:38   do that but that's more work that needs [TS]

00:26:39   to be done and you know another thing [TS]

00:26:42   about all of this is I just really hope [TS]

00:26:44   that to do it sticks because otherwise I [TS]

00:26:46   need to do this all over again going [TS]

00:26:48   back [TS]

00:26:48   yeah thatthat's the dread is is doing it [TS]

00:26:50   in reverse again if it doesn't work [TS]

00:26:52   because i have done this with to do this [TS]

00:26:53   before [TS]

00:26:54   mhm but my reason at that time was to do [TS]

00:26:58   is notifications of alarms like of [TS]

00:26:59   notifying you of a task was really bad [TS]

00:27:03   their implementation of it but they fix [TS]

00:27:04   that now so that and I didn't know that [TS]

00:27:07   until it was too late [TS]

00:27:09   right but i have enough people that I [TS]

00:27:12   trust that I know are incredibly [TS]

00:27:14   productive people that used to do is now [TS]

00:27:16   that I'm willing to to to go back to it [TS]

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00:29:44   cortex and relief em so and this brings [TS]

00:29:48   us to the types of to do applications [TS]

00:29:51   that are available and you touched on [TS]

00:29:54   this a little bit about the fact that [TS]

00:29:56   there are kind of like a couple of [TS]

00:29:58   different strains that you can go here [TS]

00:30:00   you can go basically you can go advanced [TS]

00:30:02   so I thought of a couple of examples to [TS]

00:30:04   set the stage gray go so I was thinking [TS]

00:30:07   about like all yes maybe some of the [TS]

00:30:08   ones that we spoken about overtime and [TS]

00:30:11   and kind of what these applications are [TS]

00:30:13   and then some of the the features that [TS]

00:30:16   go into them though you have basic [TS]

00:30:19   applications basic applications like [TS]

00:30:21   reminders clear google tasks or Google [TS]

00:30:26   keep lose these are basically more along [TS]

00:30:28   lines of keeping a list and maybe not [TS]

00:30:32   always maybe setting a Jew date to those [TS]

00:30:34   items many people don't set due dates [TS]

00:30:37   times they just have lists which is a [TS]

00:30:39   perfectly valid way of doing things and [TS]

00:30:42   it's just about kind of the way that you [TS]

00:30:43   work in the way that you need things and [TS]

00:30:47   then you have advanced applications [TS]

00:30:49   applications like OmniFocus and to do [TS]

00:30:52   and to do is to neighboring with them [TS]

00:30:54   things like automation functions with [TS]

00:30:56   them to make reviews of your work [TS]

00:30:58   forecasts like where you can see [TS]

00:31:00   multiple days but once who and there may [TS]

00:31:04   be something like deferring tasks as [TS]

00:31:06   well and you can kind of live anywhere [TS]

00:31:09   on this spectrum like I maybe run my [TS]

00:31:12   to-do application more in the basic camp [TS]

00:31:15   but choose to use an advanced all loop [TS]

00:31:17   because i like to have if i want it [TS]

00:31:21   things like automation and AP is so to [TS]

00:31:24   our applications can talk to my to-do [TS]

00:31:26   app which is to you know what pushed me [TS]

00:31:28   down this road and forecasts which I [TS]

00:31:31   really liked so I can see multiple days [TS]

00:31:32   at once and can kind of plan out what's [TS]

00:31:34   coming over the next seven days but I [TS]

00:31:36   don't do a lot of the stuff that you [TS]

00:31:39   might do when it looks like maybe [TS]

00:31:40   running for more GTD system you know [TS]

00:31:44   there's so many of those things that I [TS]

00:31:46   don't do like deferring and things like [TS]

00:31:49   that would you need advanced application [TS]

00:31:51   for so I I feel like I maybe have a more [TS]

00:31:55   basic system but want to use an advanced [TS]

00:31:58   application so i can pick and choose [TS]

00:31:59   from the things that I want to use but [TS]

00:32:02   something like reminders is too simple [TS]

00:32:04   for me to just have this one long list [TS]

00:32:07   that i always have to look at all these [TS]

00:32:09   multiple lists III just don't find [TS]

00:32:11   reminders and all clear or something it [TS]

00:32:14   to be a robust enough application for me [TS]

00:32:16   so it is abundant you in the past need [TS]

00:32:20   an advanced application for your [TS]

00:32:22   advanced system do you have a feeling [TS]

00:32:25   for where you might be falling now that [TS]

00:32:27   you sat down and look through some of [TS]

00:32:29   this [TS]

00:32:29   it's an interesting question like that [TS]

00:32:31   it's an interesting it's interesting [TS]

00:32:33   time that you're asking me because I [TS]

00:32:35   don't have a solid answer show i would [TS]

00:32:38   much prefer to do the show when I feel [TS]

00:32:40   like I i am coming with an answer [TS]

00:32:42   here--here's the thing that i have [TS]

00:32:44   discovered what I'm doing with paper and [TS]

00:32:47   what I'm thinking about with my tasks in [TS]

00:32:50   this way is trying to feel the outlines [TS]

00:32:55   of what have i been dissatisfied with [TS]

00:32:57   and what am I trying to do in the future [TS]

00:32:59   and so on a on a very big level when I [TS]

00:33:04   think about how I am refocusing this [TS]

00:33:08   year is being aware of one of the things [TS]

00:33:11   that I found kind of draining with using [TS]

00:33:16   a very advanced system in OmniFocus is [TS]

00:33:19   that there was not any end to this [TS]

00:33:23   system ever write like that there was [TS]

00:33:25   sort of no sense of completion because i [TS]

00:33:31   had an enormous number of things in [TS]

00:33:34   OmniFocus and I had them tracked very [TS]

00:33:38   very precisely and say okay this is [TS]

00:33:40   great this is a system that grew out of [TS]

00:33:43   my previous systems over a long period [TS]

00:33:45   of time when i'm sitting here with [TS]

00:33:47   pieces of paper trying to think about [TS]

00:33:48   how do i want to work this is a problem [TS]

00:33:50   that i feel like i've identified [TS]

00:33:52   something here which is a lack of a [TS]

00:33:56   sense of completion which is also [TS]

00:33:58   something that my old system that i used [TS]

00:34:02   to use when I was a teacher was a a part [TS]

00:34:04   of that I was really aware of a building [TS]

00:34:07   into that you know when the day is done [TS]

00:34:10   because this part of it is complete the [TS]

00:34:13   end [TS]

00:34:14   oh ok this is an interesting thing to [TS]

00:34:15   realize that I've worked myself into a [TS]

00:34:18   system that doesn't have that and that's [TS]

00:34:20   a feature that I used to have and that I [TS]

00:34:21   find very important and very helpful [TS]

00:34:24   would you say that maybe there was [TS]

00:34:26   something in the structure of your work [TS]

00:34:29   now that that doesn't inherently have [TS]

00:34:31   that end like when the kids go home [TS]

00:34:35   who there's maybe a couple of tasks left [TS]

00:34:38   and then that's it [TS]

00:34:39   right right so this is this is exactly [TS]

00:34:41   and I'm very very much of the belief [TS]

00:34:44   like things happen because it like the [TS]

00:34:46   structure in the world right so what [TS]

00:34:48   like why did my system as a teacher have [TS]

00:34:50   a clear end because there was a clearer [TS]

00:34:52   way to end things as a teacher [TS]

00:34:55   and like why did the system that built [TS]

00:34:57   up over years as a self-employed person [TS]

00:34:58   not have any kind of end because well is [TS]

00:35:01   this is this is the nature of the work [TS]

00:35:03   right this is this is the nature of what [TS]

00:35:06   it is that I'm doing there isn't any and [TS]

00:35:08   there's always more that can be done [TS]

00:35:10   it's like okay well after doing this for [TS]

00:35:13   a large number of years i'm realizing i [TS]

00:35:15   like this so much and so in redirecting [TS]

00:35:19   how my work is going to unfold over the [TS]

00:35:22   next year [TS]

00:35:23   part of what I'm really trying to do is [TS]

00:35:25   building in regular distinct clear [TS]

00:35:29   breaks and trying to really stick to [TS]

00:35:32   those as much as possible like we'll see [TS]

00:35:34   how it actually goes but that's the [TS]

00:35:35   that's the idea and so what I was [TS]

00:35:37   thinking as well whatever system i build [TS]

00:35:40   up I wanted to be able to support this I [TS]

00:35:44   want to have some kind of clear and/or [TS]

00:35:50   sort of cycle within the system so this [TS]

00:35:53   is an example like what are the things [TS]

00:35:55   that I'm trying to identify around the [TS]

00:35:57   edges and that's one of these things [TS]

00:35:59   that I'm trying to identify around the [TS]

00:36:00   edges like can I build up something that [TS]

00:36:02   creates a sense of completion that can [TS]

00:36:06   also work with the schedule for what I'm [TS]

00:36:09   trying to do over the course of the year [TS]

00:36:11   and so it's funny Mike because if you [TS]

00:36:13   you have this list of of like [TS]

00:36:16   applications in the show notes of the [TS]

00:36:18   various to do managers and what are they [TS]

00:36:22   like and you know what various features [TS]

00:36:23   do they have but the thing that i have [TS]

00:36:26   been playing around with a little bit [TS]

00:36:28   just not even with the intention of [TS]

00:36:30   using it as a primary task manager but [TS]

00:36:32   just simply because like oh this is the [TS]

00:36:34   digital tool that most closely [TS]

00:36:36   replicates the paper let me just play [TS]

00:36:38   around with it a little bit is actually [TS]

00:36:40   using Trello which I don't know if [TS]

00:36:43   you've ever used or tried I use Trello a [TS]

00:36:46   lot so do you [TS]

00:36:48   ok how would you describe Trello to the [TS]

00:36:51   listener I'm not I'm not it i feel like [TS]

00:36:53   i am the worst person in the world to [TS]

00:36:55   describe this tool because i think im [TS]

00:36:56   using it in a way that nobody intended [TS]

00:36:58   to be used yellow is built from the [TS]

00:37:02   process of Kanban em if you are familiar [TS]

00:37:06   with that [TS]

00:37:07   so if you know what that is you can [TS]

00:37:09   immediately visualized trailer if you're [TS]

00:37:13   not familiar with it which many of you [TS]

00:37:15   would not be I wasn't until i use [TS]

00:37:18   trailer for the first time imagine that [TS]

00:37:21   you have a bunch of tasks and you write [TS]

00:37:24   all of the tasks down on index cards who [TS]

00:37:27   and you have a process that you need to [TS]

00:37:31   go through to get a task to be complete [TS]

00:37:34   so you line up all of your tasks and [TS]

00:37:37   there at the starting line and the [TS]

00:37:39   process can be written out in two [TS]

00:37:43   columns so you can have part 1 part 2 [TS]

00:37:46   part 3 part 4 and you move each task [TS]

00:37:50   across the columns so it moves from left [TS]

00:37:53   to right and then it is complete [TS]

00:37:55   that is like the easiest way that I [TS]

00:37:57   would describe how this type of trellis [TS]

00:37:59   system would work in that you what you [TS]

00:38:01   are doing is taking things and moving [TS]

00:38:03   them around from place to place and as [TS]

00:38:06   they're being moved you can update them [TS]

00:38:08   you can add information to them but the [TS]

00:38:10   idea is that you get them from the start [TS]

00:38:12   line to the finish line when you do that [TS]

00:38:14   by visually moving them through this [TS]

00:38:18   process moving them from column to [TS]

00:38:20   column and they can move backwards and [TS]

00:38:22   forwards depending on how you set up the [TS]

00:38:24   columns but they were always moving [TS]

00:38:25   through so the way that i use Trello a [TS]

00:38:29   lot is raised for the sale of a [TS]

00:38:33   sponsorship so Stephen set this up and i [TS]

00:38:36   told him that i feel like i didn't have [TS]

00:38:39   a good visibility for how sponsors were [TS]

00:38:42   sawed through our process and I wanted [TS]

00:38:44   to work with him so we could understand [TS]

00:38:46   it better together and he created this [TS]

00:38:48   thing in Trello so every sponsor is a [TS]

00:38:51   card so there are little card and you [TS]

00:38:53   imagine the sponsors an index card and [TS]

00:38:56   we move them through our process from [TS]

00:38:58   initial contact made to if we're [TS]

00:39:00   progressing to a sale and then if we [TS]

00:39:03   sold so that is what i use Trello for a [TS]

00:39:06   lot we also use it for when we're [TS]

00:39:09   setting up big event and we also use [TS]

00:39:11   Trello four goals were setting goals and [TS]

00:39:13   even for our assistant so when we're [TS]

00:39:15   looking at trying to hire an assistant [TS]

00:39:16   we have a trouble board for that and we [TS]

00:39:18   have all of the different tasks that we [TS]

00:39:21   may want them [TS]

00:39:21   to do and when they might do them and if [TS]

00:39:23   it's the right person and all that sort [TS]

00:39:25   of stuff so me and even use Trello a lot [TS]

00:39:27   to plan big picture stuff for the [TS]

00:39:29   business [TS]

00:39:30   I didn't realize I was speaking to [TS]

00:39:31   travel expert and I thought you might [TS]

00:39:33   have like a passing familiarity with it [TS]

00:39:36   was like oh Trello i have 20 of them [TS]

00:39:38   have all the great general but so there [TS]

00:39:42   you go that's what i use Trello for and [TS]

00:39:44   considering the fact that you were using [TS]

00:39:47   index cards [TS]

00:39:48   I'm not surprised that you're using [TS]

00:39:50   something like trailer yet again I [TS]

00:39:52   wouldn't even say that i'm using it [TS]

00:39:54   under playing around with it but yes [TS]

00:39:56   it's an interesting thing to play around [TS]

00:39:57   with because not entirely but it does [TS]

00:40:01   largely avoid the problem of like [TS]

00:40:06   learning a specific task manager because [TS]

00:40:08   it just simply doesn't do most of the [TS]

00:40:10   things that most task managers do and it [TS]

00:40:12   is very malleable [TS]

00:40:14   yeah it's very malleable and importantly [TS]

00:40:16   it's very visual so I ok let me move [TS]

00:40:19   these things around and so I've been [TS]

00:40:21   going through this process of sometimes [TS]

00:40:23   working on paper putting things in [TS]

00:40:25   Trello sometimes rearranging things in [TS]

00:40:27   Trello and then sometimes writing it out [TS]

00:40:29   all again on paper just to think about [TS]

00:40:31   like I let me let me mess around with [TS]

00:40:32   this is it [TS]

00:40:33   it's an iterative cycle back and forth [TS]

00:40:36   thinking about how to best organize my [TS]

00:40:37   work you know Trello is is really good [TS]

00:40:40   to use if the work that you're doing as [TS]

00:40:43   a process that is not dictated by Trello [TS]

00:40:46   itself [TS]

00:40:47   yeah like there is an external process [TS]

00:40:50   that has to happen and Trillo can [TS]

00:40:52   support that select for creating YouTube [TS]

00:40:55   videos the process can just be a [TS]

00:40:57   different stages in which they are and [TS]

00:40:59   if you're working on multiple youtube [TS]

00:41:01   videos a time you can move them through [TS]

00:41:03   from process part the process part you [TS]

00:41:05   know [TS]

00:41:05   yeah it's it's relatively free form [TS]

00:41:10   compared to most other things which i [TS]

00:41:13   would say is that both its strength and [TS]

00:41:16   its weakness but it's it's an [TS]

00:41:18   interesting thing to play around with [TS]

00:41:20   I know a while back I had sort of mess [TS]

00:41:23   with it a little bit just as an [TS]

00:41:24   interesting to look at and and never [TS]

00:41:26   really thought about it much since then [TS]

00:41:28   it was recently a quiet Oh some oh I [TS]

00:41:33   know [TS]

00:41:34   yeah she's like how the acquired [TS]

00:41:37   news/wall 11 it was acquired by a [TS]

00:41:40   company that would feasibly want the [TS]

00:41:43   system that it is that way but they may [TS]

00:41:45   just change the business model with ya [TS]

00:41:47   who knows all we know is acquired yeah [TS]

00:41:49   but yes it's an interesting tool just to [TS]

00:41:51   check out and it's a thing that i've [TS]

00:41:52   been i've been thinking about and i [TS]

00:41:55   stumbledupon it because as i was trying [TS]

00:41:58   to work through my system I i did just [TS]

00:42:00   keep thinking of some stuff that I have [TS]

00:42:04   mentioned in the past as having looked [TS]

00:42:07   at but I i spent a lot of time very [TS]

00:42:08   seriously looking at which is scrum [TS]

00:42:12   which is a a working process that is [TS]

00:42:17   clearly designed for teams is not at all [TS]

00:42:20   designed for individuals but has some [TS]

00:42:23   interesting parts to it that feel like [TS]

00:42:27   oh maybe this could work with the way [TS]

00:42:30   that I want to work and it involves [TS]

00:42:33   things like having clearly defined start [TS]

00:42:37   and end times for particular batches of [TS]

00:42:40   work which is a feature that I'm i'm [TS]

00:42:41   looking at and the other thing I was [TS]

00:42:44   really aware of when I was thinking [TS]

00:42:45   about how i worked in the past and the [TS]

00:42:48   one thing that having like a a list of [TS]

00:42:51   tasks that are falling out of templates [TS]

00:42:54   that doesn't that doesn't serve so well [TS]

00:42:57   is coming up with realistic estimates [TS]

00:43:02   for how much can you do at a particular [TS]

00:43:06   time and and this is something else that [TS]

00:43:09   like a the process of scrum attempts to [TS]

00:43:12   do again with one person it doesn't work [TS]

00:43:14   very well at all it's designed for teams [TS]

00:43:15   but it's something that I've just been [TS]

00:43:17   thinking about like out are there are [TS]

00:43:21   their pieces of this that I can adapt [TS]

00:43:24   for individual use for the way that I [TS]

00:43:26   want to work and so like this is another [TS]

00:43:28   thing I spent some time on you know i [TS]

00:43:30   read a couple of books on scrum and just [TS]

00:43:33   again very it's very funny to to read a [TS]

00:43:36   book that's like design for a gigantic [TS]

00:43:38   corporation of like how does this [TS]

00:43:40   gigantic corporation or range there are [TS]

00:43:42   many multiple teams across entire [TS]

00:43:44   systems that like I'm just trying to [TS]

00:43:46   read through it and see like is there [TS]

00:43:47   something here that I can pull out for [TS]

00:43:51   myself but it's through that process of [TS]

00:43:54   like okay scrum is this process it uses [TS]

00:43:57   tools like Trello let me just play [TS]

00:43:59   around with Trello let me just explore [TS]

00:44:02   this a little bit while I'm in this this [TS]

00:44:04   building up phase so that's where I am [TS]

00:44:07   with my current state of things i do [TS]

00:44:11   have to say I feel a bit like I am a [TS]

00:44:13   like I'm on a tightrope without a net [TS]

00:44:16   because i'm not using any of my regular [TS]

00:44:19   systems [TS]

00:44:20   ok I've I really did burn everything [TS]

00:44:22   down to the ground so you like actually [TS]

00:44:24   using no app right now like other than [TS]

00:44:28   Trello tinker around with at the moment [TS]

00:44:30   I am literally using nothing except like [TS]

00:44:35   some index cards and some Trello [TS]

00:44:37   tinkering but it is a a very temporary [TS]

00:44:40   phase like this doesn't last forever [TS]

00:44:41   because this is this is partly like [TS]

00:44:43   going back to the the idiots pre any [TS]

00:44:46   system me like I'll just remember the [TS]

00:44:48   things that I have to do which is a [TS]

00:44:50   terrible strategy is horrible it's an [TS]

00:44:52   absolutely horrible strategy and not [TS]

00:44:54   really doing it but it's like okay I [TS]

00:44:56   mostly have three big things to keep in [TS]

00:44:57   mind like the next video [TS]

00:45:00   the next hello Internet the next cortex [TS]

00:45:02   are these are the three main things that [TS]

00:45:04   i really need to keep track of and so i [TS]

00:45:07   can run on that for a little while while [TS]

00:45:10   I think about how does the rest of this [TS]

00:45:11   system work [TS]

00:45:12   ok and i think that it is it is [TS]

00:45:14   genuinely beneficial to do this because [TS]

00:45:16   it is just as finding the edges of like [TS]

00:45:20   what what do I need what do I need to do [TS]

00:45:22   I i have have a little bit of of support [TS]

00:45:27   in the fact that before doing this I [TS]

00:45:28   moved some basic reminder things into to [TS]

00:45:32   do so that there's like maybe 20 little [TS]

00:45:36   recurring items into do then just like [TS]

00:45:38   I'm always gonna forget this stuff like [TS]

00:45:39   this is just the bare minimum [TS]

00:45:40   it might as well be reminders yeah and I [TS]

00:45:43   guess between down your calendar like [TS]

00:45:45   you you're getting through without the [TS]

00:45:48   the pic system supporting you all [TS]

00:45:50   exactly and what's also face like just [TS]

00:45:52   by using to do and by using a calendar [TS]

00:45:54   i'm already using more tools than like [TS]

00:45:56   many people I know you [TS]

00:45:58   to really work but it's like from my [TS]

00:46:00   relative perspective it's like this is a [TS]

00:46:02   precarious situation here so i am i'm [TS]

00:46:05   just i'm just playing around with these [TS]

00:46:07   things and trying to figure out what is [TS]

00:46:09   it that I ultimately want to build up to [TS]

00:46:11   and my current state is I'm trying to [TS]

00:46:15   pull out the useful parts of systems [TS]

00:46:20   like Kanban the useful parts for the [TS]

00:46:24   still relevant parts i should say of [TS]

00:46:25   getting things done and trying to see if [TS]

00:46:28   there's a way to like adapt scrum too [TS]

00:46:31   sensible individual use but I would be I [TS]

00:46:35   would be very curious to hear from [TS]

00:46:36   anybody in the audience if they have any [TS]

00:46:40   other kind of like actual systems that [TS]

00:46:44   they use or that they care to recommend [TS]

00:46:46   like I'm in a very open accepting [TS]

00:46:48   feedback time of my system so I'd be [TS]

00:46:51   curious to see if anybody has any [TS]

00:46:53   thoughts on any systems leave links in [TS]

00:46:56   the comments and I will definitely check [TS]

00:46:57   things out and spend a bit more time [TS]

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00:48:05   amazing people [TS]

00:48:07   hello audience hello audience and these [TS]

00:48:09   are people that submit their questions [TS]

00:48:10   too [TS]

00:48:11   on twitter with the hashtag ask cortex [TS]

00:48:13   or they leave comments in our reddit [TS]

00:48:16   thread and they go through and they will [TS]

00:48:19   give me some questions that they would [TS]

00:48:20   like for us to discuss on the show and [TS]

00:48:23   we will start off today with Phil office [TS]

00:48:26   last week our sleep schedules like do [TS]

00:48:29   you have a particular times that you aim [TS]

00:48:31   to go to better wake up [TS]

00:48:32   what are those times why those times and [TS]

00:48:36   what effect of this have on your [TS]

00:48:38   productivity when you're observing them [TS]

00:48:39   where you live on east coast time dr. [TS]

00:48:42   Mike isn't that your sleep schedule out [TS]

00:48:44   of Mike time now I don't even like don't [TS]

00:48:47   even anymore [TS]

00:48:48   [Music] [TS]

00:48:50   what is what does that mean that you [TS]

00:48:52   live on Mike time because it's just [TS]

00:48:54   adapted on warped so much like I [TS]

00:48:58   originally thought i was going to be [TS]

00:49:00   living in east coast time but it hasn't [TS]

00:49:03   really turned out to be that way hm i go [TS]

00:49:06   to sleep between 12am and 3am oh god and [TS]

00:49:12   i wake up between 8am and 10am all but [TS]

00:49:17   those times not match up in the way that [TS]

00:49:19   you would think that they might for and [TS]

00:49:22   that's all right I see really what [TS]

00:49:24   you're going for here yeah i went to bed [TS]

00:49:27   at 2am i feel it i think last night that [TS]

00:49:30   132 am somewhere between there and i [TS]

00:49:34   woke up at eight twenty today but the [TS]

00:49:37   day before I went to sleep I think at [TS]

00:49:41   like 130 and i woke up at ten [TS]

00:49:45   okay it's all over the place i have [TS]

00:49:49   expressed to you the last time that we [TS]

00:49:51   met up that I'm becoming more interested [TS]

00:49:53   in sleep tracking as well and this is [TS]

00:49:56   something that is on my radar to try and [TS]

00:49:59   find the tool or tools that work for me [TS]

00:50:01   to allow me to do this because I don't [TS]

00:50:05   know what effects it has on my [TS]

00:50:08   productivity honestly who because my [TS]

00:50:12   thesis is that it doesn't purely because [TS]

00:50:16   as it stands right now my sleep schedule [TS]

00:50:20   was so erratic who [TS]

00:50:22   and my productivity is not very erratic [TS]

00:50:26   is it at least the way I feel about it [TS]

00:50:29   because for me it's more like time like [TS]

00:50:33   I don't feel like I'm like all I wasn't [TS]

00:50:36   very productive today so i didn't spend [TS]

00:50:37   much time working today or I spent a lot [TS]

00:50:39   of time working today and as we've [TS]

00:50:41   already established a lot of the amount [TS]

00:50:43   of time that I spent working is not like [TS]

00:50:46   how inspired was I that day because I [TS]

00:50:49   worked so strictly to a schedule so [TS]

00:50:51   there is a quality aspect that can't be [TS]

00:50:54   judged by time so that's like a whole [TS]

00:50:56   other thing which is really difficult to [TS]

00:50:59   turn and nail down but there is an [TS]

00:51:02   inverse that I'm interested in which is [TS]

00:51:04   if I work longer hours do i wake up late [TS]

00:51:09   the next day that's the only thing I'm [TS]

00:51:11   interested in learning right now I [TS]

00:51:12   recommend to you an app which is called [TS]

00:51:15   Auto sleep which is a thing that i have [TS]

00:51:19   been using to track my sleeping [TS]

00:51:21   time-based just like the time tracker [TS]

00:51:24   toggle from the recommendation of [TS]

00:51:26   Federico teecee out of your where Mike [TS]

00:51:30   that guy's pretty good for recommending [TS]

00:51:31   things happy I live a lot of my life [TS]

00:51:34   based upon the recommendation see gives [TS]

00:51:36   me that so i have been using auto sleep [TS]

00:51:38   and get the app does a lot of things [TS]

00:51:43   with regard to sleep but the only the [TS]

00:51:46   only thing I care about really which is [TS]

00:51:49   what it does is it does a pretty good [TS]

00:51:50   job of estimating just the length that i [TS]

00:51:54   was asleep when did i go to bed and when [TS]

00:51:56   did I wake up and I i want to track this [TS]

00:52:01   because for the longest time i used to [TS]

00:52:05   use an app called sleep cycle to do the [TS]

00:52:07   sleep tracking but that suffered from [TS]

00:52:10   the effect of I needed to turn it on [TS]

00:52:12   before I went to sleep and turn it off [TS]

00:52:15   when I woke up in the morning and here [TS]

00:52:18   is the thing that I definitely know from [TS]

00:52:19   looking at that sleep data is when I [TS]

00:52:23   need the sleep data the least is what [TS]

00:52:27   I'm able to record it the most so he's [TS]

00:52:30   like I am a bang on my schedule [TS]

00:52:32   everything's going great and waking up [TS]

00:52:34   at the exact same time ever [TS]

00:52:36   morning i'm having a nice productive day [TS]

00:52:37   i'm going to sleep around the same time [TS]

00:52:39   like yeah i've got tons of data for for [TS]

00:52:42   like perfect rock-solid everyday is the [TS]

00:52:44   same data and then they'll be periods [TS]

00:52:47   where there's like there's no sleep data [TS]

00:52:48   recorder whatsoever is like but that's [TS]

00:52:50   what i want to sleep data the most [TS]

00:52:52   because those are the periods of time [TS]

00:52:55   where my sleep is less regular I'm like [TS]

00:52:58   staying up later which is terrible for [TS]

00:53:00   me and then i'm sleepy and I forget to [TS]

00:53:02   turn the app on and then i'm not paying [TS]

00:53:03   any attention to when I wake up in the [TS]

00:53:05   morning like this inverse correlation [TS]

00:53:06   like I have data about my sleep over the [TS]

00:53:09   past year but all indicates to me is [TS]

00:53:11   like there's some gaps which were [TS]

00:53:13   probably not great times and so I really [TS]

00:53:18   prefer and like having something that [TS]

00:53:19   just doesn't automatically so I can keep [TS]

00:53:21   an eye on this kind of stuff [TS]

00:53:23   the reason that i do want to keep an eye [TS]

00:53:24   on it is is simply because i am really [TS]

00:53:27   aware that that the sleep cycle has a [TS]

00:53:33   tremendous amount to do with how [TS]

00:53:35   productive i am and like if I fall out [TS]

00:53:41   of a regular sleep cycle that's the [TS]

00:53:42   thing i really want to be aware of and [TS]

00:53:45   really want to keep an eye on because [TS]

00:53:48   that that really matters for me and so [TS]

00:53:50   when I mean sometimes the process of [TS]

00:53:53   rebooting and and like getting back into [TS]

00:53:55   a productive phase one of the primary [TS]

00:53:58   things I am focusing on is like boot [TS]

00:54:01   yourself back into a regular waking [TS]

00:54:04   cycle and that that has a huge effect on [TS]

00:54:07   the rest of my day [TS]

00:54:09   so what are those times when others [TS]

00:54:11   ideal times [TS]

00:54:13   ok my my ideal wake-up time is it [TS]

00:54:16   sometime between five thirty and 6am is [TS]

00:54:19   is my deal wake up time and yeah but the [TS]

00:54:24   thing is I'm an old man getting sleepy [TS]

00:54:27   at 9pm right and and like probably [TS]

00:54:30   asleep by ten o'clock [TS]

00:54:33   no ok feel like lying to himself about [TS]

00:54:36   like I'm gonna read a book before i fall [TS]

00:54:38   asleep right but actually the falling [TS]

00:54:40   asleep immediately it is is the usual [TS]

00:54:42   night I'm like I'm going to read it like [TS]

00:54:44   no I'm not [TS]

00:54:44   I'm going to lie to myself I'm going to [TS]

00:54:46   read a book i'm just gonna fall asleep [TS]

00:54:47   immediately which is also why i'm i'm a [TS]

00:54:50   terrible dinner companion because people [TS]

00:54:52   are like let's have dinner [TS]

00:54:54   okay great like I made an appointment at [TS]

00:54:57   eight like oh like eight o'clock at [TS]

00:55:00   night at night like you gotta get over [TS]

00:55:02   to the early bird special [TS]

00:55:04   ya think we can do yeah exactly you know [TS]

00:55:06   I like I want to meet you in the [TS]

00:55:07   afternoon [TS]

00:55:08   you know Mike if we ever socialize like [TS]

00:55:10   when do we socialize 2 p.m. in the [TS]

00:55:12   afternoon talking about that's what it's [TS]

00:55:14   great as my perfect time like [TS]

00:55:15   everything's going great I've done all [TS]

00:55:17   my work in the morning and now you get [TS]

00:55:20   me for the afternoon time when i'm not [TS]

00:55:21   going to get any work done anyway it's [TS]

00:55:24   nice and early like that's what I want [TS]

00:55:25   to socialize with people to p.m. and [TS]

00:55:27   nobody else in the world wants to [TS]

00:55:29   socialize at that time but but you know [TS]

00:55:32   from for me that that's a bigger thing [TS]

00:55:33   like maintaining the regular sleep [TS]

00:55:35   schedule it's a big deal and I have [TS]

00:55:38   found that earlier is definitely better [TS]

00:55:41   by like a huge order of magnitude in [TS]

00:55:43   terms of actual productivity previously [TS]

00:55:46   on the show I recommended the retro 51 [TS]

00:55:48   tornado as a pen [TS]

00:55:50   now this is your pen thing okay Brian's [TS]

00:55:53   were in to ask what is the fountain pen [TS]

00:55:56   equivalent of this is not this is the [TS]

00:55:59   panicked all of a sudden what happened [TS]

00:56:01   yes yes it is [TS]

00:56:02   look every now and then I want to throw [TS]

00:56:04   one in for me you know this is just for [TS]

00:56:07   my enjoyment right now so brian and i [TS]

00:56:11   would recommend the pen that you have [TS]

00:56:12   already pointed out that your partner is [TS]

00:56:15   using and this is part of the reason you [TS]

00:56:17   want to do this is about your partner [TS]

00:56:18   gift i would recommend the bank with the [TS]

00:56:21   pilot metropolitan because it is a cheap [TS]

00:56:23   an independent and it works great but if [TS]

00:56:26   you want to go a little bit more than [TS]

00:56:28   this i would recommend for you at which [TS]

00:56:31   be eco lose our next move up i will put [TS]

00:56:34   links in the show notes to these that's [TS]

00:56:36   good cuz i also this is a pendant thank [TS]

00:56:38   you this is a pen that takes think like [TS]

00:56:40   you need a bottle of ink for this and i [TS]

00:56:43   will also put a link to a line of inks [TS]

00:56:46   that I think what really well of this it [TS]

00:56:48   is called the pilot 0 shizuka new line [TS]

00:56:51   of inks today we'll all be in the [TS]

00:56:53   shadows and i will recommend [TS]

00:56:55   to anyone listening to this show to try [TS]

00:56:58   out even the retro do you want on any of [TS]

00:57:00   the pilot metropolitan not frisbee eco [TS]

00:57:01   if you have any care at all for pens [TS]

00:57:05   because they are a fantastic tria yeah [TS]

00:57:08   don't just use whatever pens they have [TS]

00:57:10   in the hotel down Mike does not approve [TS]

00:57:13   you deserve better listener but really [TS]

00:57:17   do our elven asked what did you both [TS]

00:57:20   want to be when you grew up where you [TS]

00:57:22   want to be a professional podcaster [TS]

00:57:23   right Mike only from the age of like 20 [TS]

00:57:27   21 may be okay if I had dreams as a kid [TS]

00:57:32   you know what were your dreams like so I [TS]

00:57:35   wanted to be a few different things i [TS]

00:57:36   did actually want to be a radio DJ so [TS]

00:57:38   okay so essentially a podcaster yeah but [TS]

00:57:42   that was when I was when I was really [TS]

00:57:43   young and then as I grew up a little bit [TS]

00:57:46   there were two two things that I really [TS]

00:57:48   wanted to be one of them was a teacher [TS]

00:57:50   and specifically for children with [TS]

00:57:55   special needs was the thing that I was [TS]

00:57:56   very interested in was a young man I [TS]

00:57:59   could see that I could see that it was [TS]

00:58:01   something that i was i was very [TS]

00:58:02   passionate about but then kind of moved [TS]

00:58:05   away from as I got older just because I [TS]

00:58:08   also became quite career minded and it [TS]

00:58:12   seems like at least in teaching the [TS]

00:58:14   you're quite boxed in to the amount of [TS]

00:58:16   movement that you can take an [TS]

00:58:17   advancement that you can take there are [TS]

00:58:19   a lot of paths it seems [TS]

00:58:21   yeah that is that is definitely correct [TS]

00:58:23   and i just learned about myself as I [TS]

00:58:26   grew up that I needed to be challenged [TS]

00:58:28   and that I felt like I would run out of [TS]

00:58:32   challenges before I then had to to be [TS]

00:58:34   something that maybe I wasn't interested [TS]

00:58:35   in being which was like a headmaster [TS]

00:58:37   yeah this is actually a perennial [TS]

00:58:40   problem at a bunch of schools is is [TS]

00:58:42   retaining ambitious talents precisely [TS]

00:58:44   because of that it's a good a very [TS]

00:58:48   narrow pyramid to climb in only one [TS]

00:58:51   direction and and very often people [TS]

00:58:53   don't want to climb in that direction [TS]

00:58:55   but they they want to continue advancing [TS]

00:58:57   and and this is this is definitely like [TS]

00:58:59   a career problem that some teachers do [TS]

00:59:03   run up against then I wanted to be a [TS]

00:59:07   police officer that I cannot see thumbs [TS]

00:59:10   down 90 degree and this was the job that [TS]

00:59:13   I hand that I was something that i was [TS]

00:59:16   sure i wanted to until maybe I was like [TS]

00:59:18   17 it was something that I really wanted [TS]

00:59:21   to do and it wasn't that I wanted to be [TS]

00:59:23   a beat cop patrolling the streets of [TS]

00:59:27   London but with you really club I wanted [TS]

00:59:29   to be a detective [TS]

00:59:30   that's that's what i wanted to be that [TS]

00:59:33   was something and it's still something [TS]

00:59:34   I'm very interested in how I've I wanted [TS]

00:59:38   to be a detective I wanted to solve [TS]

00:59:39   crimes who I cannot that's my eclectic [TS]

00:59:44   list all that job now i am not physical [TS]

00:59:48   enough to be a police officer this was [TS]

00:59:49   what I realized in my life is that there [TS]

00:59:52   is a lot of it that I wouldn't be good [TS]

00:59:55   at so i didn't but did not pursue it [TS]

00:59:57   I'm not tough enough basically [TS]

00:59:57   I'm not tough enough basically [TS]

01:00:00   I think you're doing a better job as a [TS]

01:00:02   professional podcaster then you would do [TS]

01:00:03   is a police officer just going to put [TS]

01:00:05   that out there [TS]

01:00:06   thank you so much did you want to be [TS]

01:00:09   when you grow up [TS]

01:00:11   I mean I love when people ask this kind [TS]

01:00:15   of thing at I feel like what is what [TS]

01:00:16   this question is asking is what did the [TS]

01:00:18   dumb kid version of you want to do right [TS]

01:00:21   and enough i feel like i have very [TS]

01:00:22   little patience for most of this kind of [TS]

01:00:24   stuff like when I was a kid I had all [TS]

01:00:26   sorts of dumb ideas about things that I [TS]

01:00:28   wanted to do but it's because you as a [TS]

01:00:29   kid like you don't know anything about [TS]

01:00:30   the working world you know any even even [TS]

01:00:34   here like into the teenage years I think [TS]

01:00:36   the same thing it's like Oh Mikey want [TS]

01:00:37   to be a police officer but like you [TS]

01:00:38   haven't caught anything at all about [TS]

01:00:39   what being a police officer really [TS]

01:00:41   entails wanted to drive cause really [TS]

01:00:43   fast track right like this is this is [TS]

01:00:46   this is like your idea when you're [TS]

01:00:48   younger about what the working world is [TS]

01:00:50   like and and so yeah there's a bunch of [TS]

01:00:54   stuff that like my parents tell me that [TS]

01:00:56   younger me was interested in doing when [TS]

01:00:58   he grew up but I feel like I really care [TS]

01:01:01   what that kid thought about anything he [TS]

01:01:03   didn't know anything about anything but [TS]

01:01:04   what do you want to do though [TS]

01:01:06   come on just like it's like my parents [TS]

01:01:10   like it at some point be a [TS]

01:01:11   paleontologist right is like because [TS]

01:01:13   like dinosaurs and I haven't bought [TS]

01:01:15   anything at all about what being a [TS]

01:01:16   paleontologist is like oh you ride [TS]

01:01:18   dinosaur skeletons all day surely being [TS]

01:01:20   a paleontologist it like now you're [TS]

01:01:22   outside in the hot Sun moving a [TS]

01:01:24   toothbrush / a bone for hours if you're [TS]

01:01:27   lucky right has I'll now it's a terrible [TS]

01:01:29   it's a terrible thing I i think the [TS]

01:01:32   first serious career that I had a [TS]

01:01:36   somewhat reasonable idea about which is [TS]

01:01:39   the same reason that I didn't go into it [TS]

01:01:41   was that when i was in college i was [TS]

01:01:45   really aiming towards being a college [TS]

01:01:48   physics professor mhm i thought like [TS]

01:01:51   this is a thing that I really want to do [TS]

01:01:53   and over the course of being at college [TS]

01:01:57   was a process of coming to the [TS]

01:02:00   conclusion that like this is not a job [TS]

01:02:04   that I would really want to do there are [TS]

01:02:06   parts of it that I would really want to [TS]

01:02:08   do like driving a fast car but the [TS]

01:02:10   actual miss of becoming a [TS]

01:02:13   a physics professor I realize like [TS]

01:02:14   across every front is like this is no [TS]

01:02:19   like this does not match up with me I [TS]

01:02:22   it's like realizing that I am neither [TS]

01:02:26   smart nor patient enough to do a PhD [TS]

01:02:29   program it's like there's no way this is [TS]

01:02:31   going to happen I will lose my mind if I [TS]

01:02:33   have to do this [TS]

01:02:35   realizing i did I ran at some point I [TS]

01:02:38   ran some numbers on like how many PhD [TS]

01:02:42   tenure-track positions are there in the [TS]

01:02:45   United States every year versus how many [TS]

01:02:49   physics graduates are that is like whoa [TS]

01:02:51   these are terrible numbers and just [TS]

01:02:55   realizing like a bunch of things about [TS]

01:02:57   myself as well like I just don't have [TS]

01:02:58   the temperament to focus on a single [TS]

01:03:01   task for three to six years so all of [TS]

01:03:06   this is what like turned me away from [TS]

01:03:09   what I would say was the first seriously [TS]

01:03:12   considered maybe actually possible thing [TS]

01:03:15   that a younger version of me would have [TS]

01:03:19   wanted to do when he grew up almost [TS]

01:03:24   wants to know do you ever get a VR [TS]

01:03:27   headset now I got a playstation vr [TS]

01:03:31   headset know you really liked it a lot [TS]

01:03:33   I know you do there are some good games [TS]

01:03:35   there's not enough good games i'm hoping [TS]

01:03:37   for more games in 2017 i have cast and I [TS]

01:03:41   towards oculus a couple of times just [TS]

01:03:43   looked looked over in that direction [TS]

01:03:47   uh-huh to go the next level but i have [TS]

01:03:49   not yet gone to it there there's some [TS]

01:03:52   stuff this year that i am finding [TS]

01:03:53   interesting like there are some smaller [TS]

01:03:56   computers and some purpose built [TS]

01:03:57   computers that I've seen like there's [TS]

01:03:59   some CSS that I've just keeping my eye [TS]

01:04:02   on there is also like word of oculus [TS]

01:04:05   trying to create their own all-in-one [TS]

01:04:09   unit who same she's doing the same also [TS]

01:04:13   microsoft later this year will be [TS]

01:04:15   showing off their next Xbox which in [TS]

01:04:18   they've said we'll have the our [TS]

01:04:19   capabilities microsoft had a good [TS]

01:04:22   partnership with oculus I'm wondering if [TS]

01:04:23   that's where we're going to go down and [TS]

01:04:25   will they be able to support pc games [TS]

01:04:27   there this is a there is i expect by the [TS]

01:04:30   end of this year that i will have some [TS]

01:04:32   other equipment in my house because you [TS]

01:04:34   can never have enough never enough [TS]

01:04:36   immersion vr what did you buy [TS]

01:04:39   ok like i have bought nothing because i [TS]

01:04:42   think i need a new house before I can [TS]

01:04:44   get a VR pets yeah this is the problem [TS]

01:04:47   this is a problem if you really want the [TS]

01:04:49   big the big equipment it is difficult i [TS]

01:04:54   have used HTC vive I have not spoken [TS]

01:04:57   about this on the show who and I think [TS]

01:04:59   that it's a great system but some of the [TS]

01:05:02   things that are good about things that I [TS]

01:05:04   don't like about it and i like that you [TS]

01:05:06   can move around but every now now bump [TS]

01:05:09   into something and then that ruins the [TS]

01:05:10   experience so I trip over the cable and [TS]

01:05:12   that bruise the experience so it's a [TS]

01:05:13   great system but I don't like it so much [TS]

01:05:16   and also what everybody said that they [TS]

01:05:18   loved with the controllers but those [TS]

01:05:21   controllers and not as good as the [TS]

01:05:23   oculus touch controllers and we had used [TS]

01:05:26   those a long time before they came out [TS]

01:05:28   like six or seven months so we were [TS]

01:05:31   starting i think at a better level and I [TS]

01:05:33   find the oculus touch controls to be [TS]

01:05:35   vastly superior to HTC's just in the way [TS]

01:05:37   that they feel and the way you use them [TS]

01:05:39   so I still maintain that my favorite [TS]

01:05:42   system i have used is the oculus yeah i [TS]

01:05:45   mean if this is the problem I I have [TS]

01:05:47   this feeling of like go big or go home [TS]

01:05:48   with VR and that there are some vr [TS]

01:05:52   options but I just I feel like that [TS]

01:05:54   oculus experience was just so good that [TS]

01:05:59   I either want to wait for other systems [TS]

01:06:01   to catch up to that or I want to [TS]

01:06:03   replicate that and if I'm trying to [TS]

01:06:06   replicate it at the very least it's like [TS]

01:06:08   me know that this this plant that I'm [TS]

01:06:10   living in London is that there is no [TS]

01:06:11   there is no place for this and it [TS]

01:06:14   requires a rethinking of everything in [TS]

01:06:18   like our room which is the kitchen and [TS]

01:06:21   also the living room as like where would [TS]

01:06:24   this go this would go nowhere so I i do [TS]

01:06:28   keep piling up a list of reasons why my [TS]

01:06:32   wife and I maybe should move and on that [TS]

01:06:35   list of reasons i would have space for [TS]

01:06:38   new vr [TS]

01:06:39   mint is probably the least convincing [TS]

01:06:41   item that is on there for her but I feel [TS]

01:06:44   like it is it is very convincing for me [TS]

01:06:47   you need a mega office man wait a minute [TS]

01:06:49   I'm going to disagree with you on that [TS]

01:06:51   actually because I don't think you [TS]

01:06:53   should have your VR headset in your mega [TS]

01:06:54   office I think you need you need clean [TS]

01:06:57   distinct different contacts no for [TS]

01:07:00   working at games a part of my work gray [TS]

01:07:04   that is why you should not tell yourself [TS]

01:07:08   that i have a video game podcast i have [TS]

01:07:11   one [TS]

01:07:11   yeah yeah yeah I know Mike but I feel [TS]

01:07:14   like that come at me that video game [TS]

01:07:15   podcast exists to support this idea [TS]

01:07:20   mega office serves two main roles in [TS]

01:07:24   this home it is one where Mike can do [TS]

01:07:28   work and to where Mike can put all of [TS]

01:07:32   the stuff that shouldn't be in the rest [TS]

01:07:34   of the house and this just becomes [TS]

01:07:35   myspace i have a sofa so far is [TS]

01:07:39   perfectly positioned in front of the TV [TS]

01:07:41   mhm problem that works for you but the [TS]

01:07:44   the whole reason that I have an office [TS]

01:07:47   that is outside of the house is I I know [TS]

01:07:49   I can't work like that like I'm i need [TS]

01:07:52   the different environments to be as [TS]

01:07:55   clean and as clear as possible so that [TS]

01:07:57   you can keep the outside of the house [TS]

01:07:59   office but then also have the inside of [TS]

01:08:02   the house office which has the VR [TS]

01:08:04   equipment that's not gonna happen like [TS]

01:08:07   it's not gonna happen [TS]

01:08:08   this is a life hack my friend notice [TS]

01:08:11   terrible idea [TS]

01:08:13   cic 128 wants to know if i skip a you [TS]

01:08:16   too bad do you get anything for it [TS]

01:08:18   I don't know the houses for this oh [TS]

01:08:20   really you don't know the answer you as [TS]

01:08:22   a as a YouTube creator you don't know [TS]

01:08:24   yeah so I think the short answer to this [TS]

01:08:27   is know if you have one of those youtube [TS]

01:08:31   ads where it's running down a little [TS]

01:08:32   timer that says you know you can skip [TS]

01:08:34   this in five four three two one [TS]

01:08:36   if you immediately press that the [TS]

01:08:38   YouTube creator does not get a cut of [TS]

01:08:41   the ad revenue but though it there is a [TS]

01:08:44   question of how quickly do you skip it i [TS]

01:08:47   don't know the exact boundaries i think [TS]

01:08:49   they move them around sometimes [TS]

01:08:51   but there is a system of partial payouts [TS]

01:08:55   depending on how much of a skippable add [TS]

01:08:58   you have watched a high tube right [TS]

01:09:00   expects a percentage probably right yeah [TS]

01:09:02   and whatever it is is like you know they [TS]

01:09:04   take fifty percent of the ad revenue if [TS]

01:09:06   you watch fifty percent of the video and [TS]

01:09:08   then at seventy-five percent they take [TS]

01:09:09   all there's there's something in that [TS]

01:09:11   boundary and I know that there's some [TS]

01:09:13   lower boundary where there's like a [TS]

01:09:15   small amount that is taken but if you if [TS]

01:09:17   you hit it on like exactly when it's up [TS]

01:09:20   its count as a as an unwatched add in [TS]

01:09:23   the system so you don't get any money [TS]

01:09:25   for that [TS]

01:09:25   ok that's good to know I've noticed the [TS]

01:09:27   thing recently which i think is kind of [TS]

01:09:29   cool [TS]

01:09:29   I've seen a bunch of companies creating [TS]

01:09:31   like a three-second ads [TS]

01:09:33   oh yeah i haven't actually noticed that [TS]

01:09:34   you have noticed from a few like Eva [TS]

01:09:37   it's a company that is just their entire [TS]

01:09:40   you too bad it's like five seconds long [TS]

01:09:41   blue and there's nothing they just [TS]

01:09:43   carried there's no skipping it's just a [TS]

01:09:45   five-second at though it's within the [TS]

01:09:47   realms of what people expect I've also [TS]

01:09:50   seen a couple of things where you will [TS]

01:09:53   see a company to a five-second dad and [TS]

01:09:55   then the 30-second ad and the [TS]

01:09:57   five-second dad is is there to try and [TS]

01:10:00   entice you [TS]

01:10:01   I say that so I thought finance stuff [TS]

01:10:04   really interesting like people playing [TS]

01:10:05   with it and I've been i watch more of [TS]

01:10:07   those out honestly because they grabbed [TS]

01:10:09   me and i watch the thing if you are a [TS]

01:10:12   company that makes ads there you go you [TS]

01:10:14   want my own money and say you get it [TS]

01:10:16   five-second ads thomas wants to know [TS]

01:10:19   what is gray spreadsheet program of [TS]

01:10:21   choice and why [TS]

01:10:23   oh and i use apples numbers actually in [TS]

01:10:30   theory i should be using Excel long long [TS]

01:10:35   time ago i actually had a job that was [TS]

01:10:37   essentially just using Excel [TS]

01:10:39   professionally in a way [TS]

01:10:41   excel is vastly more powerful it can do [TS]

01:10:45   a lot more but for the spreadsheets that [TS]

01:10:48   i use now i use numbers because of two [TS]

01:10:53   things the first is it does just look [TS]

01:10:56   nicer it takes a lot less effort to make [TS]

01:10:59   a numbers spreadsheet [TS]

01:11:02   look nicer and the second thing which I [TS]

01:11:05   really love and I can't believe excel [TS]

01:11:07   hasn't copied in some way is the way [TS]

01:11:10   that numbers allows you to have you [TS]

01:11:13   don't have to be working with a single [TS]

01:11:15   infinite grid in all directions you can [TS]

01:11:19   just drop down a little mini grid and [TS]

01:11:22   move it around so it is like you're [TS]

01:11:24   working on a blank piece of paper and [TS]

01:11:26   you can have like multiple grids all [TS]

01:11:28   over the place and like different [TS]

01:11:31   yeah it's interesting yes and and that [TS]

01:11:33   allowing you to rearrange things i find [TS]

01:11:37   hugely helpful for the source of [TS]

01:11:39   spreadsheets that I want to create well [TS]

01:11:41   have a bunch of I'm like it's not [TS]

01:11:43   programming or anything but it's it's [TS]

01:11:45   like all have a spreadsheet where I want [TS]

01:11:47   to just put in some inputs and then get [TS]

01:11:48   the output is displayed in some [TS]

01:11:50   different way as like yeah I could do [TS]

01:11:52   this with excel and and you sort of fake [TS]

01:11:55   it with hiding some of the cells but [TS]

01:11:57   it's just much nicer and much easier and [TS]

01:11:59   faster to get a good-looking if you can [TS]

01:12:01   just drop down a little table and say I [TS]

01:12:03   wanted to go exactly here and then maybe [TS]

01:12:05   I rearranged it later go out an output [TS]

01:12:07   over there it's better in this spot i [TS]

01:12:09   just really like I really like numbers [TS]

01:12:12   for that and it's a feature that I use a [TS]

01:12:15   lot like a ton of my spreadsheets are a [TS]

01:12:18   very large number of individual tables [TS]

01:12:21   that I'm putting data into and and [TS]

01:12:24   rearranging in a way that I could do it [TS]

01:12:26   with excel but it would be more of a [TS]

01:12:28   pain in the butt to do with excel even [TS]

01:12:30   if it is the more powerful tool and it [TS]

01:12:32   definitely is the thing that I run into [TS]

01:12:34   often ish enough that there's something [TS]

01:12:37   I would like to do that would be trivial [TS]

01:12:39   to do in Excel which number is just [TS]

01:12:41   simply can't but I'm willing to take [TS]

01:12:43   that that trade-off for the way that it [TS]

01:12:45   it looks and the way it's easily [TS]

01:12:46   rearrange able dylan wants to know now [TS]

01:12:49   the editorial has been updated for the [TS]

01:12:51   ipad pro where we standing of we already [TS]

01:12:55   moved away to applications like one [TS]

01:12:57   writer or bear and if so would we move [TS]

01:13:00   back so i have posted we moved all of my [TS]

01:13:03   writing of this kind to the ios app bear [TS]

01:13:06   i think that is really nice and it works [TS]

01:13:09   very well for me for writing what I [TS]

01:13:12   writing in which tends to just be [TS]

01:13:14   copy far and i write them bear i'm not [TS]

01:13:18   going to be switching back to a tutorial [TS]

01:13:19   for for my work there purely because i [TS]

01:13:24   am concerned at the rate of advancement [TS]

01:13:26   of the application and I was on the beta [TS]

01:13:28   but it took very very very long time for [TS]

01:13:32   that to come out of beta for this [TS]

01:13:33   version so i am i'm gonna stick with [TS]

01:13:37   that for the time being [TS]

01:13:39   yeah editorial was my primary app for a [TS]

01:13:41   very long time for doing the writing and [TS]

01:13:44   for the video scripts and for some other [TS]

01:13:49   things that i right [TS]

01:13:50   i'm now using Ulysses as the primary app [TS]

01:13:54   which what we've talked about very much [TS]

01:13:55   at all not but Ulysses has some features [TS]

01:13:58   that i really really like is one of [TS]

01:14:01   those apps that it's like I played [TS]

01:14:03   around with it for a little bit and it [TS]

01:14:04   it takes awhile to like change your mind [TS]

01:14:07   a little bit to take full advantage of [TS]

01:14:09   the way that this can work and I have to [TS]

01:14:11   say like the the rules for rulers videos [TS]

01:14:15   that i did those relied very heavily on [TS]

01:14:19   some of the features that Ulysses has [TS]

01:14:22   where if you're working with it the way [TS]

01:14:24   it wants you to work you can rearrange [TS]

01:14:27   sections quite easily you can see little [TS]

01:14:30   like the outline of what it is that [TS]

01:14:32   you're working on the side and move [TS]

01:14:34   sections up and down and I was doing [TS]

01:14:35   that constantly on the on those videos [TS]

01:14:38   and that is a kind of feature that I [TS]

01:14:41   have a very hard time now imagining [TS]

01:14:43   using any kind of writing app that [TS]

01:14:46   doesn't have some ability to do this to [TS]

01:14:49   to replicate information on the side and [TS]

01:14:51   a quick ability to rearrange the [TS]

01:14:53   sections so that is become just an [TS]

01:14:56   absolute vital feature and editorial [TS]

01:14:59   doesn't have that and there's also some [TS]

01:15:04   stuff with Ulysses because it's working [TS]

01:15:05   in dropbox there's some fancy stuff i [TS]

01:15:09   don't really need to get into right now [TS]

01:15:10   but in the way that my assistant can [TS]

01:15:13   also have access to a subset of the [TS]

01:15:16   things that i'm working on on Ulysses on [TS]

01:15:18   her end through dropbox and everything [TS]

01:15:19   like sinks in a really nice way but she [TS]

01:15:22   doesn't have to have access to [TS]

01:15:23   everything that I'm working on it like [TS]

01:15:25   there's a nice things that I can do with [TS]

01:15:27   this [TS]

01:15:27   app so that's why it has taken the [TS]

01:15:29   primary place as the fact that i'm [TS]

01:15:31   working in and for everything else [TS]

01:15:35   i'm also using bear as a kind of scratch [TS]

01:15:38   pad or list maker or just for various [TS]

01:15:42   miscellaneous things I have to say I'm [TS]

01:15:44   really impressed with that app I really [TS]

01:15:45   like some of the color schemes in the [TS]

01:15:47   way they arrange things so that those [TS]

01:15:48   are the two apps that are my primary [TS]

01:15:51   writing two apps at this point Adrienne [TS]

01:15:53   would like to know how your betrayal of [TS]

01:15:57   the macbook adorable has been going [TS]

01:15:59   didn't betray anything and was the touch [TS]

01:16:03   bar really worth this betrayal but no it [TS]

01:16:06   betrayed me [TS]

01:16:07   it went up a little puff of smoke mm-hmm [TS]

01:16:12   I feel like this is more question if I [TS]

01:16:14   betrayed you is what's really coming out [TS]

01:16:16   what everything working out in this [TS]

01:16:18   there was a betrayal and has it with a [TS]

01:16:22   few is it been worth it for you do you [TS]

01:16:24   use that computer [TS]

01:16:25   yeah i do use that computer it is useful [TS]

01:16:29   for exactly the purpose that I intended [TS]

01:16:31   it which is for occasional mobile [TS]

01:16:34   podcast recording and or editing and so [TS]

01:16:37   was the macbook now what you're asking [TS]

01:16:40   me if I'm using it for these things like [TS]

01:16:41   yes I use it for that i do have to say i [TS]

01:16:44   really i really really like the [TS]

01:16:48   second-generation butterflying keys i [TS]

01:16:51   was always a defender of the adorable [TS]

01:16:52   keyboard i think people didn't use it [TS]

01:16:55   long enough to get used to it and i [TS]

01:16:56   really liked it but the [TS]

01:16:58   second-generation keyboard is way better [TS]

01:17:00   and I however i really hope that Apple [TS]

01:17:02   at some point updates their magic [TS]

01:17:04   keyboard to use the same switches okay i [TS]

01:17:06   think they're fantastic [TS]

01:17:07   don't say that i left why why because [TS]

01:17:10   test people have lots of opinions about [TS]

01:17:15   the keyboards and I don't think people [TS]

01:17:19   would would would like to hana no I am [TS]

01:17:22   NOT interested in what they would like [TS]

01:17:23   these two sides of Apple here which are [TS]

01:17:26   probably warring with each other which [TS]

01:17:27   is the efficiencies of scale versus boy [TS]

01:17:30   we sure don't want to retool any of our [TS]

01:17:32   equipment i think that's that's the [TS]

01:17:33   battle that would be taking place over [TS]

01:17:35   what is the next generation of the magic [TS]

01:17:36   keyboard [TS]

01:17:37   but but i would love them too i would [TS]

01:17:40   love them to go with the efficiencies of [TS]

01:17:41   scale argument on that I have that I [TS]

01:17:45   really like it [TS]

01:17:46   as for the touch bar the lack of escape [TS]

01:17:54   button is not really any problem i find [TS]

01:17:56   i hit that corner really easily every [TS]

01:17:58   time I want to hit the escape button I [TS]

01:18:00   it doesn't bother me that there's not a [TS]

01:18:01   physical button there i was expecting [TS]

01:18:03   that to be a problem but it isn't as for [TS]

01:18:08   the actual touch bar i feel like i still [TS]

01:18:13   need to be convinced by some software [TS]

01:18:16   implementation that this is a useful [TS]

01:18:19   feature it's funny because I actually [TS]

01:18:21   strikes me as like the reverse of a pro [TS]

01:18:24   feature but whenever I pay attention to [TS]

01:18:26   it it really feels like this is actually [TS]

01:18:28   a feature for newbies where it's it's [TS]

01:18:31   trying to show to you and reveal to you [TS]

01:18:35   aspects of the program that you might [TS]

01:18:37   not be aware of and I feel like for [TS]

01:18:41   almost anything that the touch bar is [TS]

01:18:42   showing me there's a keyboard command [TS]

01:18:44   that I already know that i'm going to [TS]

01:18:45   use or the additional information that [TS]

01:18:48   it shows is not really helpful [TS]

01:18:50   it's just kind of flashy and show off e [TS]

01:18:52   so I actually think that the touch bar [TS]

01:18:55   is a great feature for someone new to [TS]

01:18:59   the mac like it's not directed at first [TS]

01:19:02   it would be but I'm i don't i don't [TS]

01:19:07   think the way they sold it as like oh [TS]

01:19:09   this is an amazing pro feature like I [TS]

01:19:10   haven't seen that materialized on on my [TS]

01:19:13   own so that's that's been my experience [TS]

01:19:16   with the touch bar so far [TS]

01:19:19   silence sense of betrayal yep carrie [TS]

01:19:22   wants to know what is your opinion on [TS]

01:19:24   the Amazon echo I know you love the [TS]

01:19:27   Amazon echo uh-huh i have seen in person [TS]

01:19:30   demonstrations of the Amazon echo which [TS]

01:19:32   are very impressive about how it can [TS]

01:19:35   hear you and the commands that everybody [TS]

01:19:37   has it [TS]

01:19:38   do I have some some resistance to [TS]

01:19:41   setting up a thing that is in another [TS]

01:19:45   ecosystem and if I feel less convinced [TS]

01:19:49   by the utility of it for me personally [TS]

01:19:51   like I just I don't like talking to [TS]

01:19:55   devices if I can a guy like when I'm [TS]

01:19:58   controlling the lights in my house [TS]

01:20:00   sure I can talk to Siri to do that but [TS]

01:20:03   I'm much I much prefer pressing a button [TS]

01:20:06   and just doing it that way so I a lot of [TS]

01:20:09   the Amazon echo stuff is a gag i can see [TS]

01:20:12   that that would be useful but i always [TS]

01:20:15   feel like I have some kind of mental [TS]

01:20:17   resistance to talking as a form of [TS]

01:20:20   computer interface it's it's not it's [TS]

01:20:24   not my go-to uh how do you turn your [TS]

01:20:26   lights on enough because you have to [TS]

01:20:28   hear lights right yeah he lights so what [TS]

01:20:30   was your interface for interactivity [TS]

01:20:32   lights so the the hue lights are [TS]

01:20:35   connected into the Apple home system [TS]

01:20:38   yep so that means on on any of the ipads [TS]

01:20:41   on my phone I can use the control panel [TS]

01:20:44   to toggle the presets that i have so i [TS]

01:20:46   thought you know i haven't had a whole [TS]

01:20:48   bunch but there's like six buttons for [TS]

01:20:49   the various ways that I want most of the [TS]

01:20:51   lights [TS]

01:20:52   ok or the thing that happens really [TS]

01:20:54   often as i have it depending on the [TS]

01:20:57   watch face i'm using either have the [TS]

01:20:58   home button on my watch face or it's [TS]

01:21:01   always in the dock of my watch and so [TS]

01:21:03   that's the other way that I'll adjust [TS]

01:21:04   the lights is by doing that and they I i [TS]

01:21:08   know that under this circumstance it [TS]

01:21:11   would often be faster and easier to be [TS]

01:21:14   able to just speak out loud to the [TS]

01:21:15   elected to ask it to change the lights [TS]

01:21:17   instead but it still doesn't get over [TS]

01:21:19   this this like mental resistance that I [TS]

01:21:22   feel to talking out loud to a computer [TS]

01:21:25   guy i will always prefer the silent [TS]

01:21:28   interface if it's an option and I feel [TS]

01:21:30   like voice commands for me RA [TS]

01:21:32   a mental last resort [TS]

01:21:36   ok that's interesting because I'm [TS]

01:21:39   definitely the reverse for my hue lights [TS]

01:21:42   he and and this the same for dinner as [TS]

01:21:46   well we just walk around the house and [TS]

01:21:47   ask for the lights to be time on the [TS]

01:21:49   rooms were going into I mean to be fair [TS]

01:21:51   my wife would probably greatly [TS]

01:21:53   appreciate if I could set up a lot but [TS]

01:21:55   because she is obviously referring voice [TS]

01:21:57   interface and she tries to talk to Siri [TS]

01:22:01   to change the lights which I can only [TS]

01:22:04   describe as a perpetual exercise in [TS]

01:22:07   frustration right see this is the thing [TS]

01:22:08   with the echo it is a surprise if it [TS]

01:22:13   doesn't want [TS]

01:22:14   yeah and with Siri i have found it to be [TS]

01:22:18   the inverse yeah [TS]

01:22:20   Cirie is terrible at this kind of stuff [TS]

01:22:23   maybe you should just get one but i have [TS]

01:22:25   no use for it and that's how i would be [TS]

01:22:27   the person setting it up really not hard [TS]

01:22:29   to set up i'm really trying mostly to [TS]

01:22:31   convince her to use the silent interface [TS]

01:22:33   instead just press the button it works [TS]

01:22:36   when you press the button every time but [TS]

01:22:38   i think this is also just a general [TS]

01:22:40   problem with with Siri if just just the [TS]

01:22:43   other day I heard this thing which would [TS]

01:22:45   purchase it was so frustrating to listen [TS]

01:22:47   to but my wife was in the shower and she [TS]

01:22:51   was trying to ask Siri to record a [TS]

01:22:54   reminder for later and the site [TS]

01:22:58   serie could he likes it could be here [TS]

01:23:01   like hey Siri and then the phone would [TS]

01:23:04   wake up and she would try to talk to it [TS]

01:23:06   and it would and I must have her try to [TS]

01:23:09   do this thing 10 times as like I [TS]

01:23:10   couldn't bear to hear it anymore like I [TS]

01:23:12   just had to go and like I let me just [TS]

01:23:14   type it in for you like I'm so sorry [TS]

01:23:15   that you've had this experience with [TS]

01:23:17   Siri trying to listen to you lates [TS]

01:23:19   I understand you're in this like you're [TS]

01:23:20   in the shower is it's trying to hear you [TS]

01:23:22   over water is not an optimal situation [TS]

01:23:24   but it was a thing that i was thinking [TS]

01:23:27   like I'm pretty sure Amazon echo would [TS]

01:23:29   get this no problem [TS]

01:23:30   it depends it depends like so we have [TS]

01:23:33   our echo in our kitchen and if we have [TS]

01:23:36   the extract to fan going for blast [TS]

01:23:40   it can take a couple of tries to get it [TS]

01:23:43   to hear you who but once it's heard the [TS]

01:23:47   wake word it does a pretty good job but [TS]

01:23:50   sometimes you have to really give it a [TS]

01:23:52   shout to get it to wake up who food [TS]

01:23:55   there is that there is a problem that [TS]

01:23:56   all of these machines have white noise [TS]

01:23:58   but i will say that that the echo is the [TS]

01:24:02   best that i found primarily because it [TS]

01:24:05   is a canister full of microphones [TS]

01:24:08   yeah right so that's why it does a [TS]

01:24:10   better job but it it can still struggle [TS]

01:24:12   but i would say that probably would do a [TS]

01:24:14   better job in that scenario than Syria [TS]

01:24:16   would have honestly [TS]

01:24:17   let's just say there was definitely some [TS]

01:24:19   shouting it's eerie yeah yeah they're [TS]

01:24:22   worth [TS]

01:24:23   there is some shouting to be hat but you [TS]

01:24:26   know i will say that i have been in the [TS]

01:24:28   office and i have heard cause words set [TS]

01:24:30   towards the echo in the kitchen making [TS]

01:24:32   me it happens and I do it do it happens [TS]