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00:00:00   time is sat let's do this thing shall we [TS]

00:00:03   alright let's do this time is running [TS]

00:00:05   got a ton of time tracking follow-up [TS]

00:00:08   yeah we did it seems like things like [TS]

00:00:11   from the reddit and from various other [TS]

00:00:13   sources of feedback that time tracking [TS]

00:00:16   is a topic a lot of people were [TS]

00:00:18   interested in and a lot of people had a [TS]

00:00:21   bunch of questions about yeah it's not [TS]

00:00:23   surprising because it is it's an [TS]

00:00:25   interesting idea and it's one of the [TS]

00:00:28   things that i think yes we were kind of [TS]

00:00:30   pushing towards that everyone can do Who [TS]

00:00:35   land but it's just depending on how you [TS]

00:00:38   want to do it right and we got a bunch [TS]

00:00:40   of questions [TS]

00:00:41   one of them was students should students [TS]

00:00:44   track that time and I wonder what you [TS]

00:00:46   think about this because i have no idea [TS]

00:00:48   exciting never been more I mean you've [TS]

00:00:51   got to school at some point like yeah [TS]

00:00:52   but it was like it was important you [TS]

00:00:55   know like I I quit when the school that [TS]

00:00:57   important [TS]

00:00:59   IC stopped right after they they talk to [TS]

00:01:03   you how to read and how to tie your [TS]

00:01:04   shoes i was out there which i think is [TS]

00:01:06   what is where the marginal utility of [TS]

00:01:08   school starts to rapidly decline is [TS]

00:01:10   after those two points [TS]

00:01:11   yeah i went to sweep chimneys man was [TS]

00:01:14   close [TS]

00:01:15   I was straight out of a down the coal [TS]

00:01:16   mine their number of students were [TS]

00:01:20   actually asking about about this and i [TS]

00:01:22   would say that if i was in college or [TS]

00:01:27   university now with the level of [TS]

00:01:29   technology that we have now versus when [TS]

00:01:31   I was actually in college university I i [TS]

00:01:34   would totally do some kind of time [TS]

00:01:38   tracking around at the bare minimum [TS]

00:01:42   study hours in the same way that before [TS]

00:01:46   i started barking down this goal of [TS]

00:01:49   trying to time track all of my waking [TS]

00:01:51   hours I used to just keep track of the [TS]

00:01:53   most core important things which was [TS]

00:01:55   primarily writing and podcast recording [TS]

00:01:58   i think the equivalent to that of being [TS]

00:02:01   a student is studying like that is the [TS]

00:02:03   core prime activity that you want to [TS]

00:02:07   record and i would suspect for any [TS]

00:02:11   students who are listening to [TS]

00:02:13   the podcast if they do that they would [TS]

00:02:17   probably have a similar reaction that [TS]

00:02:20   you did last time where you were [TS]

00:02:23   describing on the previous episode if I [TS]

00:02:25   can summarize it like if a feeling of [TS]

00:02:27   relief at realizing that you are not [TS]

00:02:31   actually working all day like every [TS]

00:02:34   waking moment of your life that you just [TS]

00:02:37   have these times that are are punctuated [TS]

00:02:38   and get your brain kind of tricks you [TS]

00:02:41   into feeling like you've been doing a [TS]

00:02:43   thing all day I definitely know that in [TS]

00:02:46   when i was in university there were days [TS]

00:02:47   that I almost certainly felt like oh god [TS]

00:02:51   I've been studying all day but what [TS]

00:02:53   really happened that was probably in the [TS]

00:02:56   library all day which is a very [TS]

00:02:58   different thing from studying all day [TS]

00:03:01   and so I i think that there would [TS]

00:03:04   definitely be real value to be gained [TS]

00:03:06   around a better understanding of how [TS]

00:03:08   much time are you really actually [TS]

00:03:12   studying and if i was a student I would [TS]

00:03:16   I would totally track at least that I [TS]

00:03:18   mean what was the utility either like [TS]

00:03:21   him because I guess with the way that [TS]

00:03:22   we're doing it so we can maximize our [TS]

00:03:25   efficiency for our work would you say [TS]

00:03:27   it's a similar kind of ideas like to [TS]

00:03:29   maximize your study time my my view on [TS]

00:03:31   this is the time tracking is is [TS]

00:03:36   beneficial because it increases my [TS]

00:03:41   awareness of what am i doing with my [TS]

00:03:44   time and I think that is a thing that I [TS]

00:03:47   find valuable in and of itself and it's [TS]

00:03:51   a thing that that seems to me to be much [TS]

00:03:53   more valuable the more time that I'm [TS]

00:03:56   tracking is just simply an awareness of [TS]

00:04:00   exactly how am I really spending my time [TS]

00:04:03   and we only have a limited amount of [TS]

00:04:06   time you know grains of sand passing [TS]

00:04:09   through an hourglass toward the end i [TS]

00:04:11   get is a non-renewable resource and I [TS]

00:04:14   think that this is really helpful in all [TS]

00:04:18   directions of achieving anything and so [TS]

00:04:22   for example a total non-monetary thing [TS]

00:04:26   with them [TS]

00:04:26   I'm doing but I've been working over the [TS]

00:04:29   last couple months to try to increase [TS]

00:04:31   the number of books that i read i like [TS]

00:04:34   I'm not entirely happy looking over my [TS]

00:04:35   books for the last couple years of how [TS]

00:04:37   many books are on there and this is this [TS]

00:04:39   is a case like is that a monetary value [TS]

00:04:41   i mean like sort of related to my work [TS]

00:04:43   but not really not in a directly [TS]

00:04:45   effective way and the time tracking is [TS]

00:04:49   just a case of being mindful of how much [TS]

00:04:52   time i actually spending on that and you [TS]

00:04:55   know i can say like oh here's a bunch of [TS]

00:04:56   time or i was reading here's a bunch [TS]

00:04:57   time when I wasn't reading like we're [TS]

00:04:59   there other other activities that we're [TS]

00:05:01   taking up the time that could have been [TS]

00:05:02   better spent and particularly if you're [TS]

00:05:06   being really honest with the time [TS]

00:05:07   tracking and putting in like wasted time [TS]

00:05:10   in some sense I feel like it's helpful [TS]

00:05:12   in constraining wasted time because it's [TS]

00:05:17   like well if I want all of the days to [TS]

00:05:19   be as full as they can be of time [TS]

00:05:21   tracking like I'm gonna have to put this [TS]

00:05:23   on here of like what am i doing or what [TS]

00:05:25   am I not doing so I feel like it is a [TS]

00:05:28   generally useful mindfulness and like [TS]

00:05:32   self-direction tool in addition to just [TS]

00:05:36   being about like the bottom line and [TS]

00:05:39   trying to increase efficiency [TS]

00:05:41   here's my concern with that like with [TS]

00:05:43   the tracking of everything [TS]

00:05:44   if you are very aware of the worth of [TS]

00:05:48   your time because of the calculations [TS]

00:05:50   that you've done by tracking everything [TS]

00:05:52   don't you run the risk of not spending [TS]

00:05:54   enough time doing things that are [TS]

00:05:57   working don't you just look at those [TS]

00:05:58   reports and be like I spent three hours [TS]

00:06:00   playing video games because you actually [TS]

00:06:03   see what it is and then you like could [TS]

00:06:05   not have been three hours spent trying [TS]

00:06:07   to write a script it isn't there a risk [TS]

00:06:09   in that like I see the number of hours [TS]

00:06:11   on a work every day I don't know how [TS]

00:06:13   many hours i'm awake really so maybe [TS]

00:06:16   it's like the rest of the time like [TS]

00:06:18   sitting and binging on parks and [TS]

00:06:19   recreation isn't a problem for me [TS]

00:06:22   because I don't see it in hard numbers [TS]

00:06:25   this sort of gets the thing that i [TS]

00:06:27   mentioned last time briefly which is I [TS]

00:06:29   have these two categories of like for [TS]

00:06:32   recreation and kind of like intentional [TS]

00:06:34   recreation and like an unintentional [TS]

00:06:37   recreation i'm working on refining a [TS]

00:06:39   bunch of these [TS]

00:06:40   categories over time and what I feel [TS]

00:06:42   like those two categories really are is [TS]

00:06:44   recreation and entertainment time that I [TS]

00:06:48   can purely unadulterated Lee feel good [TS]

00:06:51   about and recreation time where I feel [TS]

00:06:54   like maybe there's something else I [TS]

00:06:56   should be doing and so my view on it is [TS]

00:07:01   like okay this is a this is a helpful [TS]

00:07:03   thing for me to try to move as as much [TS]

00:07:07   of my non-working time into like a [TS]

00:07:10   higher state of enjoyment vs non [TS]

00:07:13   enjoyment and then like that's that's [TS]

00:07:16   what this is but there's if you're doing [TS]

00:07:19   calculations of how much is your time [TS]

00:07:21   worth like well there's there's no way [TS]

00:07:24   that you can possibly be working all day [TS]

00:07:26   every day in a sustainable way and if [TS]

00:07:30   you if you if you think that you are [TS]

00:07:33   mistaken or if you are able to do that [TS]

00:07:35   you are a totally lucky genetic freak [TS]

00:07:38   that you are different from the rest of [TS]

00:07:40   us and like that's that's not what a [TS]

00:07:43   normal person's life is like how do you [TS]

00:07:45   decide how much recreation time you get [TS]

00:07:47   though [TS]

00:07:48   well I mean at the moment I'm i'm still [TS]

00:07:50   in the early phases of this i am not [TS]

00:07:52   making any real intentional decisions [TS]

00:07:55   about how much work versus non-working [TS]

00:07:57   time is is occurring i'm still mostly in [TS]

00:08:00   the recording and just trying to see [TS]

00:08:03   what like is naturally happening over [TS]

00:08:06   time but at least for me and and i would [TS]

00:08:12   suspect for other people who are [TS]

00:08:14   self-employed in extreme ways like you [TS]

00:08:18   are in control over your own schedule [TS]

00:08:20   what I'm more keeping in mind is a [TS]

00:08:23   diminishing returns on the working time [TS]

00:08:25   so that if I'm if I'm working on a thing [TS]

00:08:29   like that let's let's say Mike let's say [TS]

00:08:33   you and I we wanted to record like 10 [TS]

00:08:36   podcasts in a single day like okay we [TS]

00:08:38   could do one we could maybe do too but [TS]

00:08:42   probably by the time we get to podcast [TS]

00:08:45   three there's a severe diminishing [TS]

00:08:47   returns in there like you just done [TS]

00:08:49   thank you just you just can't keep going [TS]

00:08:51   at a certain point and [TS]

00:08:53   and I feel like lots of high-intensity [TS]

00:08:57   work if you if you pay attention to your [TS]

00:09:00   mind has a kind of natural point that is [TS]

00:09:05   a diminishing return again in my winter [TS]

00:09:09   review when I was doing a lot a lot of [TS]

00:09:11   like metalwork sort of working on the [TS]

00:09:14   work in thinking through systems and [TS]

00:09:16   setting up the time tracking and doing [TS]

00:09:17   all these other things it wasn't it [TS]

00:09:20   wasn't a question of like how many hours [TS]

00:09:22   of recreation do I get it was coming [TS]

00:09:24   from entirely the opposite perspective [TS]

00:09:26   of i'm doing some high intensity work [TS]

00:09:29   when do I feel like I have kind of run [TS]

00:09:33   out of steam for this and I need to [TS]

00:09:35   shift to a different activity might be [TS]

00:09:38   that going to the gym right or be that [TS]

00:09:41   goofing off and playing video games like [TS]

00:09:44   it's that I feel like it it's coming [TS]

00:09:46   from an opposite question like i would i [TS]

00:09:50   would like to have the work hours in my [TS]

00:09:52   life be maximally effective and and I [TS]

00:09:56   feel like that's the thing that I'm I'm [TS]

00:09:58   trying to pay attention for not [TS]

00:09:59   necessarily aiming for like oh boy into [TS]

00:10:03   my billing rate is X dollars per hour [TS]

00:10:06   let me try to maximize in every possible [TS]

00:10:08   way the sheer number of hours per day [TS]

00:10:10   that work is occurring and and so I [TS]

00:10:13   think with anybody who's doing the time [TS]

00:10:15   tracking like if you're a student [TS]

00:10:16   tracking your time or anything i feel [TS]

00:10:20   like this is one of the big benefits to [TS]

00:10:22   get is like is not just not just a [TS]

00:10:25   record of hours but his sense of the [TS]

00:10:29   effectiveness of those hours and I feel [TS]

00:10:32   like tracking the time forces you to pay [TS]

00:10:36   attention to what were you really doing [TS]

00:10:39   and and that's why I think like the [TS]

00:10:41   studying is a great place to start [TS]

00:10:43   because if I think it forces you to be [TS]

00:10:45   honest if you're running a little timer [TS]

00:10:47   like what I really studying for the last [TS]

00:10:49   15 minutes or was a kind of dancing [TS]

00:10:51   around studying for the last 15 minutes [TS]

00:10:53   and if the latter then it's like okay [TS]

00:10:55   well that doesn't count and sort of [TS]

00:10:57   start again and and try to get in like a [TS]

00:10:59   real solid block of actually doing like [TS]

00:11:02   high-quality work on the thing that [TS]

00:11:05   you're attempting to do [TS]

00:11:06   how's it going for you Mike so I have [TS]

00:11:09   been recording for about I'm in my [TS]

00:11:11   fourth week now so my data is becoming [TS]

00:11:15   more stable i have logged about 84 hours [TS]

00:11:20   of work so far into toggle and I'm [TS]

00:11:24   feeling pretty good about it a lot of [TS]

00:11:27   the assumptions that i made last time [TS]

00:11:28   are holding true about where my time is [TS]

00:11:31   being spent who I'm finding that i could [TS]

00:11:35   probably have maybe four to five hours [TS]

00:11:38   of my time taken away i'm on just the [TS]

00:11:42   basic things that we would want to give [TS]

00:11:43   to an assistant who which I feel like [TS]

00:11:46   lines up with the kind of around 10 [TS]

00:11:48   hours a week we wanted to give because [TS]

00:11:49   that person coming initially it would [TS]

00:11:52   take longer to do the stuff that I do [TS]

00:11:55   then me because they will be learning [TS]

00:11:57   right and then over time you would kind [TS]

00:11:59   of that would take them less time and I [TS]

00:12:01   need to find new testament to do so I [TS]

00:12:02   feel like the goal has been achieved [TS]

00:12:05   I feel personally I feel like that i [TS]

00:12:09   found enough of my time to to give to [TS]

00:12:11   somebody and the the statistics of like [TS]

00:12:15   editing to recording you know so in the [TS]

00:12:17   last three and a half weeks it's been [TS]

00:12:19   about three and a half weeks I've spent [TS]

00:12:21   35 and a half hours recording shows and [TS]

00:12:25   i spent 21 hours editing shows blue and [TS]

00:12:29   about 12 hours preparing ok [TS]

00:12:32   those numbers are not based lining up [TS]

00:12:34   based on my original expectations but [TS]

00:12:37   they are lining up based on what week [TS]

00:12:39   one told me [TS]

00:12:40   right okay i see like okay so you did [TS]

00:12:43   the first week of time tracking yep and [TS]

00:12:45   then that allows you to sort of project [TS]

00:12:46   forward with a with a somewhat [TS]

00:12:48   reasonable basis to start at least they [TS]

00:12:51   could data point to start exactly and [TS]

00:12:53   that that seems to have rung true as you [TS]

00:12:55   know it's about two-thirds of the [TS]

00:12:56   recording time in editing and what I you [TS]

00:13:00   know what I saw was about third at the [TS]

00:13:02   time recording in preparation and again [TS]

00:13:05   I remain very happy with the preparation [TS]

00:13:07   number i am less comfortable of the [TS]

00:13:09   editing number right and I'm thinking [TS]

00:13:12   about that now like what can I do about [TS]

00:13:14   that when I'm editing now I'm being more [TS]

00:13:17   conscious at the time [TS]

00:13:18   I'm taking not that I'm rushing it but [TS]

00:13:21   trying to be more efficient with it and [TS]

00:13:24   just seeing what sort of things I can do [TS]

00:13:26   that [TS]

00:13:27   so who that's been that has been useful [TS]

00:13:29   so far and one thing that I was [TS]

00:13:34   interested to see is kind of on a [TS]

00:13:36   breakdown of shows how that stuff works [TS]

00:13:39   out and again I am I'm happy to kind of [TS]

00:13:43   look at that and I feel that what I'm [TS]

00:13:46   seeing from that so from the report [TS]

00:13:48   based on like how long each show is [TS]

00:13:50   taking me [TS]

00:13:51   I'm not concerned about that at all [TS]

00:13:53   because that is lining up exactly how I [TS]

00:13:56   expected and wanted so the shows that we [TS]

00:13:59   have the largest audiences for the shows [TS]

00:14:01   that make the most money [TS]

00:14:03   the show's i'm spending the most time on [TS]

00:14:06   and then it goes down from there and [TS]

00:14:08   that feels like the right kind of thing [TS]

00:14:09   for me to be doing with that [TS]

00:14:11   yeah that feels like the correct way [TS]

00:14:13   that it should be ordered and it's good [TS]

00:14:14   to see that in the actual data [TS]

00:14:15   yeah you want to reveal how many hours [TS]

00:14:17   it took the last cortex to be made [TS]

00:14:19   yeah I get information up yeah i'm going [TS]

00:14:20   to bring it up the last cortex took [TS]

00:14:23   eight hours and 12 minutes 44 seconds in [TS]

00:14:27   total from recording editing preparation [TS]

00:14:32   and posting the bunch of time it's a lot [TS]

00:14:35   of time but I think it's worth it Mike [TS]

00:14:37   I think it's worth it I do too i mean [TS]

00:14:40   and again like it [TS]

00:14:41   that might change when it comes to [TS]

00:14:43   working out like what my time is worth [TS]

00:14:45   who but based upon what I expect that is [TS]

00:14:51   that makes perfect sense to me but just [TS]

00:14:53   that shows you ladies and gentlemen that [TS]

00:14:56   it takes eight and a quarter hours to [TS]

00:14:59   get you 90 minutes but that's why we do [TS]

00:15:01   every two weeks [TS]

00:15:02   this is all the editing time Mike [TS]

00:15:04   requires uh-huh to make me sound like a [TS]

00:15:06   normal coherent person [TS]

00:15:07   uh-huh that's that's what sucker punch [TS]

00:15:09   for someone days it was only a one-hour [TS]

00:15:11   recording and then just hang out with it [TS]

00:15:14   yeah I'm real incoherence backward like [TS]

00:15:17   mike is piecing together individual [TS]

00:15:19   words to make sentences are rearranging [TS]

00:15:22   words and sentences it's I just have a [TS]

00:15:24   bank of words and i just put them all [TS]

00:15:26   together as brilliant [TS]

00:15:27   yeah i was just I'm just pulling up my [TS]

00:15:31   report for the last 30 days and yet [TS]

00:15:36   again it's it is very interesting to me [TS]

00:15:39   to attempt to do this thing of recording [TS]

00:15:42   all over the time and I would be [TS]

00:15:45   interested to hear in the comments if [TS]

00:15:47   anybody else's is attempting to do a [TS]

00:15:49   similar thing because i am endlessly [TS]

00:15:51   fascinated by how surprisingly hard it [TS]

00:15:56   actually is to record a full day like in [TS]

00:16:00   in theory right there should be [TS]

00:16:03   something like 16 hours track today [TS]

00:16:05   because that's about as long as I'm [TS]

00:16:07   going to be awake [TS]

00:16:09   it is so hard to actually get to that [TS]

00:16:13   because there are so many kinds of [TS]

00:16:16   project that i'm working on work feels [TS]

00:16:17   like what is this thing that I'm doing [TS]

00:16:20   right now like how with this get [TS]

00:16:22   categorized or things that I'm aware of [TS]

00:16:25   that are are like transition times where [TS]

00:16:28   you're switching from one thing to [TS]

00:16:30   another and you're sort of in between [TS]

00:16:31   two tasks and it's interesting just [TS]

00:16:34   trying to find the balance of recording [TS]

00:16:37   things without being a crazy person [TS]

00:16:40   yeah and recording lots of little [TS]

00:16:41   categories that don't matter here one of [TS]

00:16:44   these for me was listening feedback i [TS]

00:16:46   started to track that but it's [TS]

00:16:47   impossible for me to track that because [TS]

00:16:49   that would be like tracking two seconds [TS]

00:16:51   right to like or elected in the time it [TS]

00:16:54   takes for me to send a tweet or to you [TS]

00:16:56   know to favor tweet or to reply to an [TS]

00:16:59   email like it'sit's that would be way [TS]

00:17:01   too many entries of really short time [TS]

00:17:03   that I figure it's not what it's not [TS]

00:17:05   what doing is plus as well when it's [TS]

00:17:06   like Twitter well i'm also slacking off [TS]

00:17:11   at the exact same time that these tweets [TS]

00:17:13   will come through so it did that which [TS]

00:17:15   is too difficult for me to track going [TS]

00:17:16   for it [TS]

00:17:17   yeah and i had a had a moment like this [TS]

00:17:20   just the other day where was I was [TS]

00:17:21   really aware of thanks [TS]

00:17:24   so here's the thing that I'm doing I'm [TS]

00:17:25   sitting on the couch with my wife [TS]

00:17:28   we're sort of half watching a TV show [TS]

00:17:30   but i'm also replying to a bunch of [TS]

00:17:33   comments in my subreddit and talking to [TS]

00:17:36   some people on slack [TS]

00:17:38   how is this activity to be categorized [TS]

00:17:41   there is no meaningful useful way to [TS]

00:17:43   describe this period of time is supposed [TS]

00:17:46   to be watching a TV show and you can get [TS]

00:17:48   from that everything LOL yeah and and [TS]

00:17:53   it's like that that is a perfect case of [TS]

00:17:55   like well okay here was an hour or two [TS]

00:17:58   of time that was useful in a bunch of [TS]

00:18:02   ways but it is impossible to [TS]

00:18:05   consistently and meaningfully categorize [TS]

00:18:08   and so that's time that I felt like okay [TS]

00:18:10   well i'm just letting that go [TS]

00:18:11   but it's a perfect example of of a like [TS]

00:18:13   a mixed kind of thing i have for anyone [TS]

00:18:17   else try this experiment i have come up [TS]

00:18:18   with two useful rules of thumb for [TS]

00:18:22   difficult to categorize time though [TS]

00:18:25   and one of these is a campus i'm [TS]

00:18:27   thinking of things like sort of my [TS]

00:18:30   equivalent of a commute now many things [TS]

00:18:32   that I do work within walking distance [TS]

00:18:33   of where I live but okay how am I going [TS]

00:18:36   to track exercise time because there's [TS]

00:18:39   many different categories here is like [TS]

00:18:41   well mi tracking the literal minutes in [TS]

00:18:44   the gym that I'm exercising my tracking [TS]

00:18:47   the entire time that I met in the gym or [TS]

00:18:50   my tracking like the time that it also [TS]

00:18:52   takes me to get ready to go to the gym [TS]

00:18:54   right like that's it's not an [TS]

00:18:56   immediately clear answer and my rule of [TS]

00:19:00   thumb for this kind of stuff is as soon [TS]

00:19:03   as the transition starts start recording [TS]

00:19:05   i have finished activity a i am now [TS]

00:19:09   deciding like i am going to the gym [TS]

00:19:10   timer starts now until I'm finished and [TS]

00:19:14   if that means it includes like packing [TS]

00:19:16   up the gym clothes and and walking down [TS]

00:19:18   the street to the gym like that's fine [TS]

00:19:20   because what I'm trying to capture is [TS]

00:19:23   not really the literal minutes that I'm [TS]

00:19:25   exercising I'm trying to capture the [TS]

00:19:29   total amount of time out of my life that [TS]

00:19:32   exercise takes do you track the time in [TS]

00:19:37   which are trying to convince yourself to [TS]

00:19:39   go to the gym but instead you're [TS]

00:19:42   coloring do you track that time because [TS]

00:19:45   that's that's time that games included [TS]

00:19:47   in my gym time [TS]

00:19:49   see that's that ok i was gonna say this [TS]

00:19:51   sounds like a very specific question [TS]

00:19:53   not a general question for a person in [TS]

00:19:55   particular um so I do have a category [TS]

00:20:00   that's like essentially a version of [TS]

00:20:04   wasted time which always gets filled in [TS]

00:20:07   retrospect which is intended to do with [TS]

00:20:09   thing and failed and then I recognize [TS]

00:20:12   okay well look back in the clock and see [TS]

00:20:14   what like when was the left that point [TS]

00:20:15   the last time we stopped and then feel [TS]

00:20:18   like from that moment until now [TS]

00:20:19   you failed time right that's essentially [TS]

00:20:22   what that is so no coloring in your [TS]

00:20:25   coloring book and not going to the gym [TS]

00:20:26   but thinking about going to the gym at [TS]

00:20:28   least the way I track things i would not [TS]

00:20:30   actually put as Jim time in my system I [TS]

00:20:33   wouldn't recommend that [TS]

00:20:35   FYI am back on the coloring train didn't [TS]

00:20:38   know you ever left this episode of [TS]

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00:22:24   you so much to freshbooks for supporting [TS]

00:22:26   the show and all real afm the other just [TS]

00:22:29   quick rule of thumb that i have found [TS]

00:22:30   useful is if there is a situation where [TS]

00:22:33   I'm recording some time that could [TS]

00:22:35   possibly be two different things so it's [TS]

00:22:39   not a multi-faceted ambiguous things [TS]

00:22:42   like like the thing i was saying before [TS]

00:22:43   but let's say I'm having a like a [TS]

00:22:47   meeting with someone and there's a [TS]

00:22:49   question about is like this this this [TS]

00:22:52   meeting that I'm having with the person [TS]

00:22:54   it's like half a social meeting and it's [TS]

00:22:56   half a business meeting like which one [TS]

00:22:59   is the thing under those circumstances [TS]

00:23:01   my rule of thumb is just to put it in [TS]

00:23:04   the less frequently tracked category of [TS]

00:23:07   whatever it could be if I'm trying to [TS]

00:23:09   choose between two different activities [TS]

00:23:10   what do you mean by less frequently [TS]

00:23:12   track so it's like if I have a category [TS]

00:23:14   which is say like social time and I have [TS]

00:23:17   another category which is business [TS]

00:23:20   planning time and i'm having a meeting [TS]

00:23:22   with someone that could be both of those [TS]

00:23:24   things [TS]

00:23:25   whichever of those categories i have [TS]

00:23:27   less trapped I'm track for in the system [TS]

00:23:29   i will count that towards the the one [TS]

00:23:32   that is less going to be social time [TS]

00:23:34   right [TS]

00:23:34   okay yeah I'll check but I have those [TS]

00:23:38   two rules of them not because they're [TS]

00:23:40   the correct way to do it but that they [TS]

00:23:41   exist to cut down on the thinking and [TS]

00:23:45   the ambiguous in any situation as far as [TS]

00:23:48   time tracking goes yeah the rules are [TS]

00:23:50   good because like do you end up with 25 [TS]

00:23:52   seconds of thinking about time tracking [TS]

00:23:54   before you track any action and then at [TS]

00:23:56   that point it's like it's starting to [TS]

00:23:58   work against itself it's exactly like [TS]

00:24:01   what one of the key things here and one [TS]

00:24:03   of the very reasons why i'm using toggle [TS]

00:24:06   is this is all about speed and ease of [TS]

00:24:11   entry [TS]

00:24:12   I get it has to be [TS]

00:24:14   a really fast no-brainer to start a [TS]

00:24:17   timer for a particular activity and if [TS]

00:24:20   you're going to spend any brain power at [TS]

00:24:22   all filing away the thing that you're [TS]

00:24:24   doing like this becomes I think totally [TS]

00:24:25   self-defeating so that that's why i [TS]

00:24:27   eventually settled on those two rules as [TS]

00:24:29   when situations came up that were a [TS]

00:24:31   little bit unclear either of these rules [TS]

00:24:34   most of the time resolves whatever it is [TS]

00:24:37   that I'm i'm attempting to do and then [TS]

00:24:39   again particularly with the exercise [TS]

00:24:41   thing it's like I'm concerned about how [TS]

00:24:43   much time does this take out of my life [TS]

00:24:45   like if I wasn't exercising if I wasn't [TS]

00:24:47   going to the gym I wouldn't be getting [TS]

00:24:49   ready to go to the gym and walking to [TS]

00:24:51   this is like I would be getting all that [TS]

00:24:52   time back so i think it's a fair thing [TS]

00:24:55   to represent in that way so those are [TS]

00:24:58   the those are my rules of thumb so far i [TS]

00:25:01   want to give a shout out to someone in [TS]

00:25:04   the reddits why is this so funny Mike [TS]

00:25:08   is that what you do now she can shout [TS]

00:25:10   outs to people i don't know [TS]

00:25:13   isn't that the the word no that's it [TS]

00:25:15   yeah yeah the shower referencing someone [TS]

00:25:18   I don't know [TS]

00:25:19   shoutout to my red use their ego ready [TS]

00:25:24   haha already in the reddit left a [TS]

00:25:27   comment that i am really grateful for [TS]

00:25:30   he proposed an alternate name for my [TS]

00:25:34   year of new as year of redirection and [TS]

00:25:39   that this was fantastic because [TS]

00:25:41   listening back to previous show I was [TS]

00:25:44   just so aware of i'm doing a terrible [TS]

00:25:47   job of attempting to explain like what [TS]

00:25:49   what am I going for here and just like i [TS]

00:25:53   mentioned with the quarterly reviews and [TS]

00:25:55   trying to change that word into season i [TS]

00:25:58   think a large part of it was like new [TS]

00:25:59   was just not quite the right word and [TS]

00:26:03   that ends of the coloring the way that [TS]

00:26:04   I'm thinking about things but I feel [TS]

00:26:06   like year of redirection is the label [TS]

00:26:09   that I was not able to come up with on [TS]

00:26:11   my own but someone else listening to me [TS]

00:26:14   ramble about my ideas of what's going to [TS]

00:26:16   happen is like oh you nailed it better [TS]

00:26:17   than I did year every direction feels [TS]

00:26:20   exactly right I'm not I wasn't aiming [TS]

00:26:22   for a whole ton of new things [TS]

00:26:26   it's it's more like a refinement of a [TS]

00:26:30   bunch of things and exactly how I'm [TS]

00:26:31   going to be spending my energy and where [TS]

00:26:35   am I putting my efforts and like this [TS]

00:26:37   this just feels like the perfect label [TS]

00:26:39   so i'm i'm crossing out year of new and [TS]

00:26:42   writing over it [TS]

00:26:43   year of redirection so thank you you're [TS]

00:26:46   ready for coming up with that this makes [TS]

00:26:48   way more sense as to why here if you [TS]

00:26:50   didn't mean new projects but right [TS]

00:26:52   exactly about it's about doing the same [TS]

00:26:55   stuff but doing it differently like [TS]

00:26:58   different levels of time going to each [TS]

00:27:01   of them like if you imagine them in a [TS]

00:27:03   pot shot and i'm only thinking of this [TS]

00:27:05   because i was just looking at a report [TS]

00:27:07   that's because it's emblazoned in my [TS]

00:27:09   brain now to see all those little bars [TS]

00:27:11   going up and down it is that basically [TS]

00:27:14   if you had all of your little tasks in a [TS]

00:27:15   bar chart just moving them around right [TS]

00:27:17   so like the same amount of time is there [TS]

00:27:19   but it's just being moved into different [TS]

00:27:21   silos [TS]

00:27:22   yeah exactly and it's it's also why like [TS]

00:27:25   why does the attempt at several months [TS]

00:27:29   of time tracking everything [TS]

00:27:30   why does that fall under the year of [TS]

00:27:32   knew that makes no sense that doesn't [TS]

00:27:33   fit at all but your redirection it's [TS]

00:27:35   perfect it's a perfectly sensible [TS]

00:27:36   project to take on during that time [TS]

00:27:38   exactly because that's how you find out [TS]

00:27:40   what to redirect exactly you got you [TS]

00:27:42   you're measuring things ended up it also [TS]

00:27:44   lines up with my own personal feelings [TS]

00:27:47   that led me towards this which was a lot [TS]

00:27:49   a lot of monkeying around with schedules [TS]

00:27:53   for my business over the next year and [TS]

00:27:55   thinking about how I'm working it's like [TS]

00:27:57   yes all of this lines up much much much [TS]

00:27:59   better with your redirection so I am [TS]

00:28:01   ridiculously pleased about this because [TS]

00:28:04   i really was not entirely satisfied with [TS]

00:28:06   year of new and I was even more grumpy [TS]

00:28:08   listening to myself talk about Europe [TS]

00:28:09   new on the previous episode so I'm much [TS]

00:28:12   happier man right now this is you know [TS]

00:28:15   this is why you have a podcast we talk [TS]

00:28:17   about your work so people can make it [TS]

00:28:18   better it i have to say it is it is a [TS]

00:28:22   great little moment of feedback like let [TS]

00:28:25   me talk about some things in an [TS]

00:28:26   incoherent way maybe one of you can [TS]

00:28:28   summarize in a better way and somebody [TS]

00:28:30   did that train [TS]

00:28:33   I mean it was it is not really practical [TS]

00:28:38   all for all of our listeners to have [TS]

00:28:40   their own versions of cortex where they [TS]

00:28:42   talk to someone about their productivity [TS]

00:28:44   who i would recommend that people in [TS]

00:28:47   their lives try and find someone they [TS]

00:28:49   can have these types of conversations [TS]

00:28:51   with because i know that i have become [TS]

00:28:54   better at working since me and you start [TS]

00:28:57   explaining things to each other [TS]

00:28:59   blue because i feel like i have to [TS]

00:29:01   justify how I think about things and [TS]

00:29:05   when i do that enables me to make things [TS]

00:29:07   clearer look and also as I you know the [TS]

00:29:11   more i talk about the fact that i'm [TS]

00:29:13   switching to do this but haven't done it [TS]

00:29:15   the more I realized that i need to [TS]

00:29:18   actually do it because otherwise I just [TS]

00:29:20   keep saying I'm gonna do it if you can [TS]

00:29:22   find someone in your life that you can [TS]

00:29:24   talk to about these things that's good [TS]

00:29:26   or just spend time in the cortex uh [TS]

00:29:28   brother honest I can be in serious [TS]

00:29:30   because there are people in there who [TS]

00:29:32   are talking about the stuff of each [TS]

00:29:34   other and I think that's valuable yeah I [TS]

00:29:38   i really i really have to agree with [TS]

00:29:39   that and it's like it is a thing that is [TS]

00:29:42   mutually beneficial to have somebody [TS]

00:29:44   else that you talked to this stuff about [TS]

00:29:46   because that there really is a process [TS]

00:29:49   by which when you have to articulate out [TS]

00:29:51   loud your own reasons for doing anything [TS]

00:29:54   you often find that you have been doing [TS]

00:29:58   a thing without really thinking about it [TS]

00:30:01   humid so much nicer than make I was [TS]

00:30:04   gonna finish the sentence for saying [TS]

00:30:05   stupidly now but it but here's the thing [TS]

00:30:08   I I really there is a real distinction [TS]

00:30:12   between doing something stupidly and [TS]

00:30:15   doing something unintentionally mm and [TS]

00:30:19   it right it's very very easy to do lots [TS]

00:30:23   of things in an unintentional manner and [TS]

00:30:27   to just not think through the process of [TS]

00:30:29   why am I doing this thing this way and I [TS]

00:30:32   am i doing it this way because this is [TS]

00:30:34   the way I did it the first time and I've [TS]

00:30:36   just repeated that activity all over [TS]

00:30:38   again or like am I doing this thing [TS]

00:30:40   because this is the way other people do [TS]

00:30:43   it as I ok well if that's the reason [TS]

00:30:44   do other people have a good reason for [TS]

00:30:46   doing it this way or are they doing it [TS]

00:30:48   just because they see other people doing [TS]

00:30:49   it right [TS]

00:30:50   it's it is a it is hugely valuable to [TS]

00:30:56   repeatedly and consistently reassess [TS]

00:30:59   your reasons for why you do something [TS]

00:31:00   and when you talk to somebody else about [TS]

00:31:05   it there's an accountability that [TS]

00:31:08   happens when you externalize these [TS]

00:31:10   thought processes and it's funny I [TS]

00:31:14   actually saw someone somewhere on the [TS]

00:31:17   reddit describe this show as like it it [TS]

00:31:19   is turned into like a working journalist [TS]

00:31:22   between the two of us [TS]

00:31:24   wow that we're coming together every two [TS]

00:31:25   weeks and we're we're talking about our [TS]

00:31:27   work together and then that like the the [TS]

00:31:31   listen area is participating in this [TS]

00:31:33   like working journal of hearing two [TS]

00:31:35   people just talk about what they're up [TS]

00:31:37   to [TS]

00:31:38   like that's an interesting that's an [TS]

00:31:40   interesting way to look at the way this [TS]

00:31:42   has developed over time and i think it's [TS]

00:31:44   it's pretty accurate [TS]

00:31:47   yeah and and does have this effect like [TS]

00:31:49   I am really aware that there's there's a [TS]

00:31:52   few things in my own working world that [TS]

00:31:55   i have changed or work to change because [TS]

00:31:59   I realized when I talk about it on the [TS]

00:32:00   show like how it makes me think about it [TS]

00:32:02   more like I've sort of mentioned number [TS]

00:32:04   of times like growing frustration with [TS]

00:32:06   like getting things done and not [TS]

00:32:08   necessarily working for me the way that [TS]

00:32:10   it used to it's like and I know I make [TS]

00:32:12   and I'll say this on the show and then [TS]

00:32:13   that causes me to think about it more [TS]

00:32:15   right which which has like a little bit [TS]

00:32:17   of a feedback loop but I i really do [TS]

00:32:20   think that's the case and if you can if [TS]

00:32:23   you can find someone in real life to do [TS]

00:32:26   this with it's even better in a form a [TS]

00:32:29   little cortex working group with some [TS]

00:32:31   people to get together and talk about [TS]

00:32:33   what you're up to I really do think it [TS]

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00:35:19   journal who [TS]

00:35:21   why has it been so long since has been a [TS]

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00:35:29   think this has been the longest amount [TS]

00:35:31   of time but you were on a real tear for [TS]

00:35:36   a while with a bunch of videos some [TS]

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00:35:45   character number of videos but we're [TS]

00:35:47   about what we just over two months which [TS]

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00:35:59   two months and then when it's been two [TS]

00:36:01   months [TS]

00:36:02   there is like a couple of videos or [TS]

00:36:04   something like that and again just from [TS]

00:36:07   me knowing a little bit about what you [TS]

00:36:09   do I don't get a sense that you're [TS]

00:36:12   knee-deep on a video right now so I'm [TS]

00:36:17   just wondering what's going on is it [TS]

00:36:20   like is you still got a hangover from [TS]

00:36:22   court xmas like was what's happening [TS]

00:36:25   over there [TS]

00:36:26   I was just looking through my in-depth [TS]

00:36:29   private video analysis spreadsheet upon [TS]

00:36:33   which I record all of the data about all [TS]

00:36:34   of the things it is not the longest gap [TS]

00:36:37   between real videos but it is it is [TS]

00:36:40   rapidly gaining on the longest gap [TS]

00:36:42   between i consider to be real videos do [TS]

00:36:45   you think it's going to pass it [TS]

00:36:47   yes okay at this point if i had to put [TS]

00:36:50   money on it and I of course have insider [TS]

00:36:52   knowledge in this betting pool yeah I [TS]

00:36:54   don't think you could I think you [TS]

00:36:56   definitely could not make this back it [TS]

00:36:58   seemed like that's where you have [TS]

00:37:00   insider information are the best that's [TS]

00:37:02   good yeah really i really want there to [TS]

00:37:04   be like a betting pool about the day [TS]

00:37:06   that my next video would come out it's [TS]

00:37:08   like man I would just I would clean [TS]

00:37:10   house with a really would but [TS]

00:37:13   unfortunately that's not a thing that [TS]

00:37:14   exists it will be super up saying if you [TS]

00:37:16   didn't [TS]

00:37:17   yeah it would be upsetting to me as well [TS]

00:37:19   be missing out on all of that but you [TS]

00:37:21   know that it has it has been a very long [TS]

00:37:24   time [TS]

00:37:25   I mean this is what this is one of these [TS]

00:37:26   things that like I'm not even really i'm [TS]

00:37:29   not even really sure how to talk about [TS]

00:37:31   this or even like how how much I want to [TS]

00:37:34   talk about it because it comes it comes [TS]

00:37:37   very close along this this fine edge of [TS]

00:37:40   what is my personal life and this thing [TS]

00:37:46   about being a person who does work in [TS]

00:37:51   public back in November my wife had a [TS]

00:37:58   very serious repeated number of [TS]

00:38:02   hospitalizations that were as serious as [TS]

00:38:06   these things can can possibly be [TS]

00:38:08   she's fine now she's flying just people [TS]

00:38:10   now [TS]

00:38:11   it ended up taking up a blowhard portion [TS]

00:38:14   of my mental energy managing this [TS]

00:38:18   situation when you're self-employed it's [TS]

00:38:22   it's great on one hand that you can drop [TS]

00:38:26   everything and and focus on what is the [TS]

00:38:29   most important thing at the moment but [TS]

00:38:32   it does also mean that it there's nobody [TS]

00:38:34   else to pick up the slack when you [TS]

00:38:38   yourself are are not working and so this [TS]

00:38:40   this has has definitely been a thing [TS]

00:38:42   which caused some delays there is no [TS]

00:38:46   such thing as compassionately when you [TS]

00:38:48   have no employer yeah that that is true [TS]

00:38:51   this is something we're at this moment [TS]

00:38:53   had been just a regular employee many [TS]

00:38:56   things would have been much easier in a [TS]

00:38:58   way user you can get time off you know [TS]

00:39:01   you know everything's running when [TS]

00:39:03   you're not there and you know you come [TS]

00:39:05   back at some later point but it is [TS]

00:39:07   definitely a case of everything kind of [TS]

00:39:10   stops if you are the one person who is [TS]

00:39:14   running your own business and so I spent [TS]

00:39:17   a large amount of of energy on the [TS]

00:39:21   situation and then not [TS]

00:39:23   not surprisingly I myself became pretty [TS]

00:39:28   horrific Lee sick after the [TS]

00:39:30   this for a while and it's not something [TS]

00:39:32   I really wanted to discuss at the time [TS]

00:39:34   it was something that few people who are [TS]

00:39:36   used to the way my voice normally sounds [TS]

00:39:38   definitely picked up on a couple of [TS]

00:39:40   those podcasts that we're going out in [TS]

00:39:41   december i did see people saying like he [TS]

00:39:44   doesn't sound so great and yet the the [TS]

00:39:46   answer was I was I was not in I was not [TS]

00:39:49   in great shape think we had to stop one [TS]

00:39:51   of the cortex podcasts halfway through [TS]

00:39:53   don't even actually really remember but [TS]

00:39:54   it was blank [TS]

00:39:56   there was just the whole it wasn't a big [TS]

00:39:59   ol thing but yeah so that's that people [TS]

00:40:01   ask that's one of these things that's [TS]

00:40:03   been happening I don't necessarily [TS]

00:40:06   really like to talk about this stuff [TS]

00:40:07   again because there's this weird line [TS]

00:40:09   between being like a public person and a [TS]

00:40:12   private person yet so people don't need [TS]

00:40:14   to know [TS]

00:40:15   yeah exactly you feel sometimes not [TS]

00:40:19   always you feel an obligation to be open [TS]

00:40:24   yeah its people care about you [TS]

00:40:28   right well now you got it back up there [TS]

00:40:30   my can disagree with you there [TS]

00:40:32   I i actually actually think that it's [TS]

00:40:35   part of the hesitation is on his [TS]

00:40:37   understand i think it's very important [TS]

00:40:39   for anybody who does any work in the [TS]

00:40:41   public space to understand that the [TS]

00:40:43   audience actually doesn't care about you [TS]

00:40:46   there's this big difference between like [TS]

00:40:48   you the person who lives your life and [TS]

00:40:51   the the you that exists in the [TS]

00:40:55   audience's mind through the media that [TS]

00:40:58   you create that was the you I meant [TS]

00:41:00   though it is [TS]

00:41:01   cgpgrey that they care about that's what [TS]

00:41:04   i mean is is the version of yourself [TS]

00:41:06   that they interact with which is not the [TS]

00:41:09   whole person right it's not it's not the [TS]

00:41:11   whole person and it's it's a thing [TS]

00:41:12   that's like if that I've had some [TS]

00:41:15   conversations with some people I try to [TS]

00:41:16   convince the very hard about this works [TS]

00:41:17   like you have to you have to understand [TS]

00:41:19   as a public person that's like like I am [TS]

00:41:21   very aware that when people listen to [TS]

00:41:23   the podcasts they're not listening to [TS]

00:41:26   the podcast because it's me [TS]

00:41:29   people listen to podcast because they [TS]

00:41:31   get some kind of enjoyment or some sort [TS]

00:41:33   of entertainment out of it or some value [TS]

00:41:35   out of it right that's the reason that [TS]

00:41:37   people listen to podcasts and [TS]

00:41:41   it's the same it's the same thing with [TS]

00:41:43   the videos like what why do people [TS]

00:41:45   subscribe to my youtube channel to watch [TS]

00:41:47   my videos is because they derive some [TS]

00:41:50   sort of enjoyment and entertainment out [TS]

00:41:53   of the videos that I produce like and [TS]

00:41:55   and and that's where what the audience [TS]

00:41:59   cares about comes from and if I feel [TS]

00:42:02   like sometimes talking about personal [TS]

00:42:05   stuff is like blurring the line that [TS]

00:42:08   often the audience doesn't even [TS]

00:42:10   necessarily want to have blurred down [TS]

00:42:12   yeah and and so and so that's why it's [TS]

00:42:15   like while all of this stuff was going [TS]

00:42:18   on I just didn't really want to talk [TS]

00:42:20   about it at all because it's like a much [TS]

00:42:23   more comfortable just like mentioning [TS]

00:42:24   that like a thing has occurred and then [TS]

00:42:27   I'm on the other side of it and it's [TS]

00:42:28   over [TS]

00:42:29   and this is why there was a delay as [TS]

00:42:31   opposed to saying oh I'm in the middle [TS]

00:42:34   of a terrible thing right now [TS]

00:42:36   alright cuz you know what it's not fun [TS]

00:42:37   to listen to on a podcast but don't need [TS]

00:42:39   to know [TS]

00:42:39   yeah and people don't need to know [TS]

00:42:41   there's nothing they can do school now [TS]

00:42:42   yeah that's why I didn't feel like I [TS]

00:42:44   really want to talk about these things [TS]

00:42:45   but we are mentioning it now ignore [TS]

00:42:49   normally i'm very happy just having [TS]

00:42:51   their be like a big gap between the [TS]

00:42:52   videos like I have I have intentionally [TS]

00:42:55   set up my career in such a way so that [TS]

00:42:57   big gaps between videos are normal [TS]

00:42:59   things like nobody super surprised when [TS]

00:43:01   there's a big gap between cgpgrey videos [TS]

00:43:03   the expectation is there will be a gap [TS]

00:43:06   exactly which is the inverse to most [TS]

00:43:08   people [TS]

00:43:09   exactly yeah always playing with fire [TS]

00:43:12   with that YouTube algorithm with these [TS]

00:43:13   big gaps which i think one day will come [TS]

00:43:15   to bite me in the ass [TS]

00:43:17   hopefully not not today but I do just [TS]

00:43:19   want to mention it on on this show [TS]

00:43:21   because I feel like there have been some [TS]

00:43:23   times because we are having this like [TS]

00:43:27   meeting and discussing our work where [TS]

00:43:30   I've been sort of talking around thing [TS]

00:43:33   in a way that doesn't make it helpful or [TS]

00:43:37   clear to the listener and so I think [TS]

00:43:40   that was one of the things that was also [TS]

00:43:42   happening on the last show about like [TS]

00:43:43   why was I had doing a bad job of [TS]

00:43:45   explaining year of new is because i felt [TS]

00:43:47   like i was talking around a thing that I [TS]

00:43:49   didn't really want to directly talk [TS]

00:43:51   about and so I think that's why we're [TS]

00:43:54   just mentioning it now to to generalize [TS]

00:43:57   out to the listener that I do i do think [TS]

00:43:59   that there's there's something to be [TS]

00:44:02   aware of and and to just just really [TS]

00:44:05   like learn from from something like this [TS]

00:44:07   which is the guy had this really rough [TS]

00:44:10   time but as as far as these things go i [TS]

00:44:15   could not have been better prepared for [TS]

00:44:17   it because this is the kind of thing [TS]

00:44:20   that if you're self-employed you sort of [TS]

00:44:23   have to set up the business to be like [TS]

00:44:26   this and to be ready for the possibility [TS]

00:44:31   of you having to step away from stuff [TS]

00:44:34   for a while and so this this is part of [TS]

00:44:37   the reason why i like my youtube channel [TS]

00:44:40   is run in this particular way where the [TS]

00:44:41   videos come up somewhat randomly because [TS]

00:44:43   i am aware that the process of creating [TS]

00:44:46   them is is not building widgets and [TS]

00:44:50   sometimes there are delays and that's [TS]

00:44:54   just built into the system and I've said [TS]

00:44:57   before one at one of one of by far and [TS]

00:44:59   away the best decisions and probably [TS]

00:45:02   costly as decisions I have ever made was [TS]

00:45:05   to switch the patronage on my youtube [TS]

00:45:09   channel from building monthly to [TS]

00:45:12   building when a video goes out and even [TS]

00:45:16   then not every video only the videos [TS]

00:45:18   that i select I cannot tell you what a [TS]

00:45:20   huge mental relief that was like [TS]

00:45:24   especially during this time and like [TS]

00:45:27   that is a decision that has has paid [TS]

00:45:29   paid if not actual monetary dividends [TS]

00:45:32   like working life dividends because then [TS]

00:45:35   i feel like i am NOT I am NOT taxing the [TS]

00:45:40   people upon which my living depends [TS]

00:45:42   needlessly yeah right because there [TS]

00:45:44   would have been what like two or three [TS]

00:45:46   payments come out right exactly there [TS]

00:45:48   there would have been something like [TS]

00:45:49   three payments for what should have been [TS]

00:45:51   three videos and nothing and you know my [TS]

00:45:56   my patron was was briefly setup like [TS]

00:45:58   that in the very beginning and I loathe [TS]

00:46:01   did I hated it like it made it made my [TS]

00:46:02   life unhappy i hated the feeling of a [TS]

00:46:06   building going out and people getting [TS]

00:46:07   nothing in return [TS]

00:46:09   i I just I loathed it and but but here's [TS]

00:46:14   the thing was one of the things that [TS]

00:46:16   occurred when i was doing those changes [TS]

00:46:18   is I realized okay if I'm going to do [TS]

00:46:20   this what I need to have in place is a [TS]

00:46:25   bigger emergency fund so i can get [TS]

00:46:27   through potentially longer periods of [TS]

00:46:29   time and it was also then thinking about [TS]

00:46:33   some kind of income diversification [TS]

00:46:36   which ended up being podcast like the [TS]

00:46:38   very podcast that i'm talking on right [TS]

00:46:40   now and what like what is one of the big [TS]

00:46:42   advantages of doing a podcast one of the [TS]

00:46:45   huge advantages especially if you're [TS]

00:46:47   working with mike is it's a hell of a [TS]

00:46:49   lot less work than producing a youtube [TS]

00:46:51   video this is not a recommendation by [TS]

00:46:53   the way and this this is this is the [TS]

00:46:59   thing it's like okay [TS]

00:47:00   even during like a rough time I can [TS]

00:47:03   still make some podcasts because doing [TS]

00:47:06   podcasts as much easier and so this is [TS]

00:47:09   the kind of thing of like structuring a [TS]

00:47:13   business to be okay even if you're not [TS]

00:47:17   doing great and so it's like okay [TS]

00:47:20   cgpgrey hasn't made a video in a long [TS]

00:47:22   time but there's still content coming [TS]

00:47:24   out like there's still podcast coming [TS]

00:47:26   out and for the nature of my business i [TS]

00:47:29   think that that is an important thing to [TS]

00:47:31   not just drop off the face of the earth [TS]

00:47:34   for six months and then we know then pop [TS]

00:47:36   back up later and I i mentioned this and [TS]

00:47:41   I think it's important to mention [TS]

00:47:42   because this is the hard part about [TS]

00:47:46   being self-employed is really being able [TS]

00:47:52   to prepare yourself for these kinds of [TS]

00:47:55   things and being able to structure your [TS]

00:47:58   business in such a way so that it's [TS]

00:47:59   ready to absorb these sorts of problems [TS]

00:48:01   and I think sometimes there are people [TS]

00:48:04   who wants to become self-employed and [TS]

00:48:08   they're only ever thinking of all of the [TS]

00:48:10   upsides [TS]

00:48:11   but you really have to be aware of how [TS]

00:48:15   much your life is in your own hands when [TS]

00:48:19   you're self-employed and then like that [TS]

00:48:21   is in the best of all possible ways and [TS]

00:48:23   that is also in the worst of all [TS]

00:48:25   possible ways that is a is a big big [TS]

00:48:29   scary decision that you really have to [TS]

00:48:31   be prepared for I am lucky in that I [TS]

00:48:34   have a co-founder blue and my co-founder [TS]

00:48:38   has me so our business has two people if [TS]

00:48:43   one person cannot do something by and [TS]

00:48:47   large the other person is able to to [TS]

00:48:50   pick that up and part of the thinking [TS]

00:48:55   for me in us getting an assistant to [TS]

00:48:59   help with arranging and dealing with [TS]

00:49:02   with sponsors is another part of that [TS]

00:49:06   because that's one of the things that I [TS]

00:49:09   have the majority of visibility over and [TS]

00:49:12   it would be great to have the companies [TS]

00:49:14   that we work with familiar with another [TS]

00:49:16   person and the process that if they [TS]

00:49:18   can't get ahold of me there's someone [TS]

00:49:21   that they can talk to little so like [TS]

00:49:23   this is another step in that and it's [TS]

00:49:26   something you know we could just have to [TS]

00:49:28   even do this [TS]

00:49:29   that's not the way that we want to do it [TS]

00:49:31   we want to kind of broaden it out and [TS]

00:49:34   make some of this not the stuff that we [TS]

00:49:35   do but another thing that comes as a [TS]

00:49:38   benefit of that is having this other [TS]

00:49:41   person [TS]

00:49:41   visit who has visibility on the process [TS]

00:49:44   to help deal with things when we can't [TS]

00:49:47   whoo-hoo so there is a benefit there and [TS]

00:49:50   also you know of all my shows having [TS]

00:49:52   co-host there is another person who can [TS]

00:49:55   help [TS]

00:49:56   there is another person i can put more [TS]

00:49:57   time in lab and or in in many cases [TS]

00:50:01   there is another person who can host a [TS]

00:50:02   show with somebody else they can get I [TS]

00:50:04   can get someone to fill in for me and it [TS]

00:50:05   can just carry on as normal so there are [TS]

00:50:09   you know what my business is structured [TS]

00:50:11   a little better than your video part of [TS]

00:50:13   the business in that way to say with the [TS]

00:50:15   podcast part you can lean on me if you [TS]

00:50:18   need to all i'll pick up the reins and [TS]

00:50:20   do more if you need it [TS]

00:50:23   but with the videos so much of it comes [TS]

00:50:26   from you [TS]

00:50:27   I mean you have your animator now who [TS]

00:50:29   helps but there's nobody at the start [TS]

00:50:32   process there's nobody in the script [TS]

00:50:34   writing process is just you and that is [TS]

00:50:37   a huge bottleneck you know you just got [TS]

00:50:40   the the way relays setup i can I had [TS]

00:50:42   been a listener long after that you can [TS]

00:50:45   definitely be wearing oh there's times [TS]

00:50:46   when you were Steven are there more or [TS]

00:50:49   less like in it it's you know that [TS]

00:50:52   that's how these things work and the [TS]

00:50:54   Machine of relay is you know vast beyond [TS]

00:50:57   just you Mike now and and that is [TS]

00:50:59   definitely an advantage but if you're [TS]

00:51:01   like a freelancer and it's just you i [TS]

00:51:04   like that that is a occasionally [TS]

00:51:07   precarious situation [TS]

00:51:09   yeah the youtube videos are like being a [TS]

00:51:11   freelancer I don't need to be on the air [TS]

00:51:14   for the company to be making money [TS]

00:51:15   anymore and that wasn't how it was when [TS]

00:51:18   it started right right and that is a [TS]

00:51:20   good thing [TS]

00:51:21   oh yeah yeah it it totally is it totally [TS]

00:51:24   is a good thing but yeah without without [TS]

00:51:25   a doubt for my youtube channel the [TS]

00:51:29   script writing process is the biggest [TS]

00:51:33   bottleneck like it has always been the [TS]

00:51:34   biggest bottleneck and until I bring on [TS]

00:51:38   some apprentices right it's always going [TS]

00:51:41   to be the biggest bottleneck please do [TS]

00:51:43   not send any submissions in for this job [TS]

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00:53:38   that the script writing is maybe the the [TS]

00:53:45   biggest issue here in that is currently [TS]

00:53:47   something that you you don't have any [TS]

00:53:49   help would help with in your whole [TS]

00:53:51   pantheon of work [TS]

00:53:53   pantheon I know it's the best thing i [TS]

00:53:55   could think of at the time I like every [TS]

00:53:56   other her is there is somebody else [TS]

00:54:00   involved little podcast editing plus [TS]

00:54:02   production animation posting everything [TS]

00:54:06   else has another person now which [TS]

00:54:08   touches it effects it and can pick up [TS]

00:54:11   slack from you [TS]

00:54:12   mmm now there is one big issue with [TS]

00:54:15   scriptwriting that I don't think we've [TS]

00:54:17   ever touched on before which is writer's [TS]

00:54:20   block i use cgpgrey currently suffering [TS]

00:54:23   from writer's block [TS]

00:54:24   no I wouldn't i wouldn't say that are [TS]

00:54:26   you writing scripts [TS]

00:54:27   ok so i don't believe in the existence [TS]

00:54:30   of writer's block however i'm currently [TS]

00:54:32   struggling to right now as I guess that [TS]

00:54:35   that's a different they look at you like [TS]

00:54:36   you're trying to frame this in a [TS]

00:54:37   particular way that I disagree with [TS]

00:54:39   arrived [TS]

00:54:40   I'm only talking about when i said [TS]

00:54:41   before like oh you have like big [TS]

00:54:42   disasters like I'm made of multiple [TS]

00:54:44   things all of this stuff happened right [TS]

00:54:48   around the time that I was experienced [TS]

00:54:51   much more like what I would describe as [TS]

00:54:52   a kind of burn out there was a running [TS]

00:54:54   joke in the reddit where people like oh [TS]

00:54:56   wow look at this new piece of content [TS]

00:54:58   and i would say don't get used to it now [TS]

00:55:00   like I know the content will keep coming [TS]

00:55:03   forever like know people that won't [TS]

00:55:04   because i was really aware like 2016 was [TS]

00:55:09   it was a very interesting year in in my [TS]

00:55:13   working life [TS]

00:55:14   it was the most successful year in in my [TS]

00:55:17   working life thus far and it was also in [TS]

00:55:21   terms of years where I have been [TS]

00:55:22   self-employed it was the year that had [TS]

00:55:25   by far and away the most deadlines in it [TS]

00:55:30   of some kind [TS]

00:55:32   anytime there's like sponsorships [TS]

00:55:33   there's some kind of deadlines there are [TS]

00:55:35   other deadlines behind the scenes that [TS]

00:55:37   people don't see these two things I [TS]

00:55:40   think are are very much related like [TS]

00:55:43   deadlines and the financial success of [TS]

00:55:46   the business between videos podcasts [TS]

00:55:49   every other week some other things [TS]

00:55:52   behind the scenes 2015 gray signed 2016 [TS]

00:55:58   gray up for too many things [TS]

00:56:00   Chuck this is just it right like 2015 [TS]

00:56:03   grades like add 2016 gray he'll be fine [TS]

00:56:06   handling all of these things and by the [TS]

00:56:09   end of the year sort of after the rules [TS]

00:56:11   for rulers video I was really feeling [TS]

00:56:13   like man it has been just like too much [TS]

00:56:17   to constantly and and that's what i said [TS]

00:56:22   like starting in the summer I was doing [TS]

00:56:24   a little summer review i was already [TS]

00:56:26   making plans and and scheming for a [TS]

00:56:30   20-17 that would have fewer deadlines in [TS]

00:56:34   a whole bunch of different ways that's [TS]

00:56:36   like this year is great for the business [TS]

00:56:39   but it is not a sustainable thing for me [TS]

00:56:42   over the long term like this this can't [TS]

00:56:45   go on forever because i will just be [TS]

00:56:48   totally burned out [TS]

00:56:50   and so I like almost made it to the end [TS]

00:56:53   of the year but but around November time [TS]

00:56:56   I was beginning to feel like i am i am [TS]

00:56:58   just a little burned out from this [TS]

00:57:01   schedule that I have set for myself this [TS]

00:57:05   is this is too much and then things i [TS]

00:57:07   mentioned before happened and so that [TS]

00:57:10   the combination of those two things have [TS]

00:57:13   this essentially meant that like I have [TS]

00:57:16   done almost no productive writing work [TS]

00:57:21   that's the situation that I was in [TS]

00:57:25   really just up until just a few days ago [TS]

00:57:28   sort of is is like also dealing with the [TS]

00:57:31   fallout from like a kind of burnout from [TS]

00:57:33   over over-scheduling but what I mean [TS]

00:57:37   what the ideas that we keep on out from [TS]

00:57:40   creation perspective just burned out [TS]

00:57:42   from a production perspective I don't [TS]

00:57:44   really understand what the difference is [TS]

00:57:47   between those things [TS]

00:57:48   well I mean if you're burned out from an [TS]

00:57:50   ideas perspective just sitting down to [TS]

00:57:53   do something and you can't do anything [TS]

00:57:55   but if you'll just burn out from [TS]

00:57:58   production perspective you're having [TS]

00:57:59   ideas but you just don't have the desire [TS]

00:58:01   to sit down actualize them seems like a [TS]

00:58:06   distinction without a difference i think [TS]

00:58:08   it's a clear difference but yep [TS]

00:58:11   well the thing is that i have i have a a [TS]

00:58:14   long list of prioritized and order [TS]

00:58:17   ordered ideas for the videos that i want [TS]

00:58:19   to make Ryan there's like a i have a [TS]

00:58:21   like a top five list of like here's the [TS]

00:58:23   next videos that I want to do tons of [TS]

00:58:25   notes on them and and stuff to work on [TS]

00:58:27   them but the difference is like what [TS]

00:58:28   what i think is an interesting [TS]

00:58:30   phenomenon is what what i have come to [TS]

00:58:35   call over my working life a bounce rate [TS]

00:58:39   and so this is this is the way I think [TS]

00:58:41   about going into work in the mornings is [TS]

00:58:45   get up going in like I'm going to go [TS]

00:58:48   write something this is the first thing [TS]

00:58:49   that I try to do in the day and some [TS]

00:58:52   mornings I just I kind of bounced off [TS]

00:58:55   the work [TS]

00:58:56   this is the this is the best word i have [TS]

00:58:58   come up with to describe this phenomenon [TS]

00:59:01   people always talk about something like [TS]

00:59:03   procrastinate [TS]

00:59:03   Shin this word holds no real value for [TS]

00:59:06   me i don't think the things that people [TS]

00:59:08   are talking about when they talk about [TS]

00:59:09   procrastination of the things i'm doing [TS]

00:59:10   i'm in the office and I want to write [TS]

00:59:13   but I just sort of don't and but on [TS]

00:59:17   there like I'm all like I'm all set like [TS]

00:59:19   the routine has gone and just nothing [TS]

00:59:23   happens and for the entirety of of my [TS]

00:59:26   writing life this has always been a [TS]

00:59:29   thing that occurs sometimes and so I [TS]

00:59:32   think of it as like a bounce rate that [TS]

00:59:35   if you are doing any kind of creative [TS]

00:59:37   work there is going to be some portion [TS]

00:59:41   of bouncing off of that work like how [TS]

00:59:43   you wanted to do the thing but nothing [TS]

00:59:45   happened was like why because creativity [TS]

00:59:48   is mysterious eh what's going on here [TS]

00:59:50   oh yeah what's going on here it's like [TS]

00:59:52   you're applying your logic to these [TS]

00:59:57   situations little logic [TS]

00:59:57   situations little logic [TS]

01:00:00   is anchor and what you're saying I agree [TS]

01:00:02   of it but what you are calling bounce [TS]

01:00:06   rate people call writers block like you [TS]

01:00:09   are sitting to produce a script and on [TS]

01:00:14   that day maybe that week [TS]

01:00:17   nothing is coming and you're just [TS]

01:00:19   talking it down to this is fine this is [TS]

01:00:22   normal this is how it goes [TS]

01:00:25   people categorize it as writers block I [TS]

01:00:28   think when they feel like the situation [TS]

01:00:31   is dire and are out of their hands but [TS]

01:00:34   you consider it as something which is [TS]

01:00:36   part of the creation process and you're [TS]

01:00:39   fine with it [TS]

01:00:40   that's how i'm reading this situation [TS]

01:00:43   yeah i guess i guess because i think it [TS]

01:00:45   it's out of my hands but not dire at all [TS]

01:00:48   like it's just part of the things like [TS]

01:00:49   it's just part of the process this is [TS]

01:00:51   just maybe the way that you are good at [TS]

01:00:55   detaching emotion from situations like [TS]

01:00:58   that is a a good skill that you have [TS]

01:01:01   mean that you're able to just be like [TS]

01:01:03   this one where other people would maybe [TS]

01:01:06   worry about it more [TS]

01:01:07   maybe you're right maybe you're right [TS]

01:01:09   about that I guess it's also it's also [TS]

01:01:11   think that i am aware of always liked [TS]

01:01:13   comes and goes in various waves [TS]

01:01:17   yeah but a lot of people worry that one [TS]

01:01:20   at one point it's never gonna go right [TS]

01:01:24   that the the block comes and that's it [TS]

01:01:28   right i think that is a fear that people [TS]

01:01:30   have about their work [TS]

01:01:33   yeah but that's why they should [TS]

01:01:34   diversify their business into podcasting [TS]

01:01:35   right this is what if you see what I [TS]

01:01:38   mean no it's like you you see things you [TS]

01:01:42   see things the way that you see things [TS]

01:01:43   and that the exact same thing that [TS]

01:01:45   somebody else sees but they they react [TS]

01:01:48   to it differently [TS]

01:01:49   mm right I feel like my way of thinking [TS]

01:01:52   about this is correct and superior your [TS]

01:01:55   way is rational and not everybody is as [TS]

01:01:59   rational as here [TS]

01:02:00   I mean it would be very curious to hear [TS]

01:02:01   from other people who do any kind of [TS]

01:02:05   creative work like what like what [TS]

01:02:08   they're like how they internalize it is [TS]

01:02:11   very interesting that I happen to be [TS]

01:02:12   like because of [TS]

01:02:13   because of my line of work I happen to [TS]

01:02:16   be in a position where i can have [TS]

01:02:18   conversations with other successful [TS]

01:02:20   people who do creative work in various [TS]

01:02:21   fields again and you find it interesting [TS]

01:02:24   that almost everybody who does this kind [TS]

01:02:27   of thing has their own way of describing [TS]

01:02:30   what is it that they're doing that's [TS]

01:02:34   like specific to them and I feel like Oh [TS]

01:02:36   even even that must be part of the [TS]

01:02:38   process like it's that it's such a [TS]

01:02:40   strange thing to try to produce any kind [TS]

01:02:46   of creative output that is going to be [TS]

01:02:48   consumed by a large number of people [TS]

01:02:51   that it i think it ends up becoming a [TS]

01:02:54   very internalized process for anybody [TS]

01:02:58   who's doing it and they're like [TS]

01:02:59   everybody has their own like weird [TS]

01:03:01   language or description of how they do [TS]

01:03:03   these things and like I feel like this [TS]

01:03:07   using this word bounce like this is this [TS]

01:03:11   just feels like i was the word in my [TS]

01:03:12   brain that feels like the right thing [TS]

01:03:14   that is like go into the office but sort [TS]

01:03:17   of like bounce out of the office and I [TS]

01:03:19   got nothing occurred [TS]

01:03:20   okay well it's it's like it's like a [TS]

01:03:22   batting average [TS]

01:03:24   you know it's just like well you're [TS]

01:03:25   expecting to do perfect things every [TS]

01:03:27   time [TS]

01:03:28   well you're crazy nobody does that [TS]

01:03:29   nobody you ever have spoken to does that [TS]

01:03:31   it is it's like bizarre beyond [TS]

01:03:34   rationality to expect some kind of [TS]

01:03:36   perfect hit rate every single time [TS]

01:03:39   alright here's the thing right there are [TS]

01:03:43   there are people that work differently [TS]

01:03:45   to you and have different schedules and [TS]

01:03:49   who have i would say maybe luxuries in [TS]

01:03:52   the way that they work which means that [TS]

01:03:54   they have to be creative of but can't [TS]

01:03:57   treat it like this is fine [TS]

01:04:01   the work will come so used two examples [TS]

01:04:04   i will use me who and then i will use [TS]

01:04:08   general person who works and creative [TS]

01:04:10   field for their jobs and in a company [TS]

01:04:14   who so i'll start with me there is off [TS]

01:04:17   joke like an often told joke on the show [TS]

01:04:20   that i love shared Jules who I don't [TS]

01:04:23   necessarily love shows [TS]

01:04:26   but I choose that my business will run [TS]

01:04:30   on one I make the choice because that [TS]

01:04:33   makes more sense to me it's easier to [TS]

01:04:35   plan my shows run on Churchill's all of [TS]

01:04:38   my podcasts they run on charges and that [TS]

01:04:41   makes it easier for me to book [TS]

01:04:43   advertising in a way that uncomfortable [TS]

01:04:45   with it's not necessary but I figure it [TS]

01:04:49   to be for me a more realistic way of [TS]

01:04:52   getting my work done there are times [TS]

01:04:55   when a show is looming and i have no [TS]

01:04:59   idea I have no inspiration who I have no [TS]

01:05:02   topics some weeks there is no news [TS]

01:05:06   who what do you do so I work in a couple [TS]

01:05:10   of different ways sometimes I despair [TS]

01:05:13   because there is nothing and I have [TS]

01:05:19   nothing planned [TS]

01:05:21   sometimes I work in advance in that if I [TS]

01:05:25   am feeling particularly inspired i will [TS]

01:05:28   make notes and I have this for all of my [TS]

01:05:30   shows lots of notes of ideas and planned [TS]

01:05:33   out topics like I have topics that i [TS]

01:05:35   have had planned out for this show in [TS]

01:05:37   outline form for over a year when they [TS]

01:05:40   sit there waiting to even be pulled in a [TS]

01:05:43   time when one of us is inspired to talk [TS]

01:05:46   about that thing or a time when we have [TS]

01:05:49   no other inspiration of any kind of [TS]

01:05:51   drawing us towards something so I have [TS]

01:05:53   these planned out things that are ready [TS]

01:05:55   so for someone like me who goes through [TS]

01:05:59   these problems and but is able to work [TS]

01:06:03   in in the way that i work i will have [TS]

01:06:05   things kind of in the chamber ready to [TS]

01:06:08   be pulled in malaria definitely times [TS]

01:06:11   when i don't and there are times when I [TS]

01:06:15   am lucky in the type of work that I do [TS]

01:06:17   though I can ask our audience what do [TS]

01:06:19   you want to hear me talk about and that [TS]

01:06:22   is a very valuable thing so like that is [TS]

01:06:25   a thing for me or it's like I have [TS]

01:06:27   decided i want to be my work to be on a [TS]

01:06:30   schedule that there is a an expectation [TS]

01:06:34   set by a calendar as to when the work [TS]

01:06:37   will be completed [TS]

01:06:38   and i have understood that and i have [TS]

01:06:40   tried to use my experience to build the [TS]

01:06:42   business the way that I want right so [TS]

01:06:44   that is that is a difference to you but [TS]

01:06:47   a solution but there is another option [TS]

01:06:49   so like the the third root of this which [TS]

01:06:53   is a person who is creative but for [TS]

01:06:56   somebody else like they they work that [TS]

01:06:59   in a job and they are employed and they [TS]

01:07:01   have to be creative [TS]

01:07:02   what was that person do and then that is [TS]

01:07:05   tricky because i'm very aware of that [TS]

01:07:06   not everybody has the luxuries to choose [TS]

01:07:09   the things that I want to do in the way [TS]

01:07:10   that we do so somebody is burnout they [TS]

01:07:12   haven't taken a vacation in awhile and [TS]

01:07:15   they're being given a thing that they're [TS]

01:07:16   not very passionate about that is a real [TS]

01:07:19   problem right that they have [TS]

01:07:20   expectations put on them and they have [TS]

01:07:22   timelines and they have deadlines and [TS]

01:07:25   they have people that want things in [TS]

01:07:27   some way and they are able to just be [TS]

01:07:31   like now I'm going to wait until it [TS]

01:07:34   comes to me because maybe it's due in a [TS]

01:07:36   week that's tricky right i think it's [TS]

01:07:39   it's terrible the way many professions [TS]

01:07:43   treat creative employees like it's just [TS]

01:07:46   a faucet [TS]

01:07:47   yeah exactly like they're like they're [TS]

01:07:49   in there in the you know they're in a [TS]

01:07:51   factory cranking out widgets all day and [TS]

01:07:54   widgets are a beautiful ideas right that [TS]

01:07:57   are new in the world [TS]

01:07:58   it's like okay well but that's not how [TS]

01:08:00   it works and what well i think is is so [TS]

01:08:03   interesting is how many creative fields [TS]

01:08:05   have a very natural ebb and flow to them [TS]

01:08:09   again if you talk to anybody who works [TS]

01:08:12   in TV and movie writing it that is a [TS]

01:08:15   prime example like why do like why do TV [TS]

01:08:18   seasons exist one of the huge reasons is [TS]

01:08:21   you can't have a script writing team [TS]

01:08:23   just working all year right that it is [TS]

01:08:26   like they just can't do it and if you if [TS]

01:08:28   you make them do it you get terrible TV [TS]

01:08:30   at the end of it because it's like [TS]

01:08:31   you're gonna burn out your writers if [TS]

01:08:33   you ask them to write every day for the [TS]

01:08:35   whole rest of the year i think it's i [TS]

01:08:38   find it interesting that like lots of [TS]

01:08:40   creative areas have this kind of ebb and [TS]

01:08:43   flow like it's a very it's a very [TS]

01:08:45   natural thing and [TS]

01:08:48   it is something that i am aware can i am [TS]

01:08:51   the most fortunate person in the world [TS]

01:08:52   in this position but but let's say like [TS]

01:08:54   I am aware that let's just say like a [TS]

01:08:57   lot of people who work on youtube that [TS]

01:09:01   YouTube does not have any kind of ebb [TS]

01:09:04   and flow to it [TS]

01:09:05   everything about the way you tube is [TS]

01:09:07   setup is almost like an employer who [TS]

01:09:11   constantly wants new things produced all [TS]

01:09:14   the time and as I i think that for [TS]

01:09:18   individual creators that's that's not [TS]

01:09:21   necessarily a great thing over the long [TS]

01:09:23   run and I think that's also why I do i [TS]

01:09:27   do know some some channels that sort of [TS]

01:09:29   like rotate out teams of people who are [TS]

01:09:33   producing content for them small BF [TS]

01:09:35   because it's the same thing like you [TS]

01:09:37   you're gonna burn out people if you're [TS]

01:09:39   asking them to just work all of the time [TS]

01:09:40   and this is a thing that you see on [TS]

01:09:43   youtube sometimes where where various [TS]

01:09:45   creators will have to put up a video of [TS]

01:09:47   like I'm really sorry but like it's just [TS]

01:09:50   been has been too much for to know that [TS]

01:09:52   it's like they kind of are forced to [TS]

01:09:53   take a break because they push [TS]

01:09:55   themselves like too far and too fast and [TS]

01:10:00   like that that is very much the thing [TS]

01:10:02   that I'm like I'm totally trying to [TS]

01:10:04   avoid is like I never want to do that I [TS]

01:10:07   want to do stuff at a sustainable pace [TS]

01:10:09   but that means i can't possibly treat it [TS]

01:10:12   like stuff's going to come out at the [TS]

01:10:15   exact right time every time I get it [TS]

01:10:17   just I think creative work fundamentally [TS]

01:10:20   doesn't work like that and I attacked I [TS]

01:10:24   do not view employers who who treated [TS]

01:10:27   that way in a in a very favorable light [TS]

01:10:30   I think that's the that's the wrong way [TS]

01:10:31   to look at this kind of work when i [TS]

01:10:33   started my youtube channel i was [TS]

01:10:34   treating it very much like all of my [TS]

01:10:36   other work then that I would have a [TS]

01:10:38   schedule that I would here too and it [TS]

01:10:40   was basically weekly i have since just [TS]

01:10:44   decided to myself that I'm going not [TS]

01:10:46   going to do it that way and that i'm [TS]

01:10:48   going to maybe be a little bit more like [TS]

01:10:50   you and i am i'm treating this as a [TS]

01:10:54   project but I don't want to just be [TS]

01:10:56   pumping out content i want to make [TS]

01:10:59   things when I have an inspiration to do [TS]

01:11:01   so [TS]

01:11:01   so that's what I'm doing now with my [TS]

01:11:03   with my youtube channel so like I've as [TS]

01:11:05   i have seen that and I something that [TS]

01:11:08   I'm trying to be comfortable with [TS]

01:11:09   because I'm not comfortable with it just [TS]

01:11:12   because of my working routines let me [TS]

01:11:15   tell us on the mic even if you are very [TS]

01:11:16   different working routines see you're [TS]

01:11:18   working routines are much more like mine [TS]

01:11:19   it is still a deeply uncomfortable thing [TS]

01:11:22   to not have regular output that is that [TS]

01:11:25   is one of the trade-offs for this is you [TS]

01:11:28   still feel that like I'm still always [TS]

01:11:30   aware that there is an audience there [TS]

01:11:33   that wants a thing [TS]

01:11:34   yep it's always it's always going to be [TS]

01:11:35   uncomfortable but obviously I think it's [TS]

01:11:38   a I think it's a very good decision to [TS]

01:11:41   not build in the regular schedule don't [TS]

01:11:46   need another one [TS]

01:11:47   yeah you you don't need another one and [TS]

01:11:49   I mean just in general for anybody who's [TS]

01:11:51   doing the YouTube stuff like this is [TS]

01:11:53   this is one case where I like a deeply [TS]

01:11:55   disagree with YouTube standard advice to [TS]

01:11:57   new creators were like make sure you [TS]

01:11:58   have a schedule and teacher audience [TS]

01:11:59   that you uploaded every tuesday at five [TS]

01:12:01   o'clock right as like I so I say who [TS]

01:12:05   strongly disagree with that as as a [TS]

01:12:08   piece of advice like I don't think it's [TS]

01:12:10   a good idea to upload a video just [TS]

01:12:12   because this is the time where you're [TS]

01:12:14   supposed to upload a video i i i really [TS]

01:12:17   really deeply disagree with that and I'm [TS]

01:12:21   glad to hear that you are also going to [TS]

01:12:23   go down the path of not feeling like [TS]

01:12:26   every sunday at eight is going to be a [TS]

01:12:28   new episode of my curly show i also want [TS]

01:12:31   to offer a couple of pieces of advice [TS]

01:12:34   for people who work in a creative filled [TS]

01:12:37   as part of an organization if you are [TS]

01:12:40   feeling like this level of burnout [TS]

01:12:42   there's one thing you should could try [TS]

01:12:44   and do pay attention to the people that [TS]

01:12:46   you are delivering your work too and try [TS]

01:12:49   and notice from them what they consider [TS]

01:12:51   to be the base level of acceptance and [TS]

01:12:55   sometimes try and work just to that like [TS]

01:12:59   have have a real sense for what you know [TS]

01:13:03   if you're turning in something you don't [TS]

01:13:05   think is very good and they seemed okay [TS]

01:13:09   with it [TS]

01:13:10   just pay attention to what that looks [TS]

01:13:12   like [TS]

01:13:13   because later when you need to just turn [TS]

01:13:18   something out who you there might have a [TS]

01:13:21   better understanding for what might fly [TS]

01:13:23   who because a lot of times people that [TS]

01:13:26   are creative are turning in work to [TS]

01:13:29   people that are not created by nature [TS]

01:13:31   blue so you might find depending on [TS]

01:13:36   where you work that people are impressed [TS]

01:13:39   by something you don't find impressive [TS]

01:13:41   and it maybe you can just target that [TS]

01:13:44   that is great advice [TS]

01:13:46   that's great advice if your boss is a [TS]

01:13:48   creative person you might be fucked [TS]

01:13:49   I think this or you might be more [TS]

01:13:52   creative than them huh that is possible [TS]

01:13:54   yeah definitely talk about that is great [TS]

01:13:57   advice for any kind of job anyways like [TS]

01:13:58   be aware of what the acceptable level is [TS]

01:14:01   like that that's your actual target i [TS]

01:14:02   would say that maybe if you're if you [TS]

01:14:04   are creative and you work for creative [TS]

01:14:06   person they may understand more [TS]

01:14:09   yeah that is possible and that they made [TS]

01:14:11   that they're more likely to get it and [TS]

01:14:13   then that you might be able to have some [TS]

01:14:15   open conversations with them when you're [TS]

01:14:17   in this type of situation [TS]

01:14:19   another thing that i would just [TS]

01:14:20   recommend is that one of the ways to [TS]

01:14:22   break out a burnout is to change things [TS]

01:14:24   up is to like refocus your mind and if [TS]

01:14:29   you have a project work you can just [TS]

01:14:30   turn something different but that's not [TS]

01:14:32   how it works but what you could do is [TS]

01:14:34   maybe start a new side project or hobby [TS]

01:14:36   that helps get your creative juices [TS]

01:14:38   flowing into something that's less high [TS]

01:14:40   stakes then the work that you supposed [TS]

01:14:41   to be working on and that you can work [TS]

01:14:43   at a time when you're not supposed to be [TS]

01:14:45   working and it might help you kind of [TS]

01:14:47   get back into the creative mode again [TS]

01:14:49   for some lessons [TS]

01:14:50   there's some things that I learned from [TS]

01:14:51   trying to be creative inside of an [TS]

01:14:54   organization that didn't care for [TS]

01:14:55   creativity [TS]

01:14:56   alright so have you been doing anything [TS]

01:14:58   specifically to help you kind of [TS]

01:15:02   breakthrough into making videos again or [TS]

01:15:07   is it now i don't know like we done but [TS]

01:15:10   no we're not done like [TS]

01:15:14   but what I what I have what I have done [TS]

01:15:17   and what I always is find is like the [TS]

01:15:20   the break glass in case of emergency [TS]

01:15:24   creativity stuff is bringing out the old [TS]

01:15:31   paper and a pen my favorite I thought [TS]

01:15:35   you might like that [TS]

01:15:36   BSO in in the past week or so I feel [TS]

01:15:42   like okay I'm going into the office I've [TS]

01:15:43   been trying to do work but the bounce [TS]

01:15:45   rate is just unacceptably high and [TS]

01:15:48   trying to do a bunch of different things [TS]

01:15:50   blah blah blah but the thing that works [TS]

01:15:53   for me in the end is essentially giving [TS]

01:15:58   my brain no options in the world except [TS]

01:16:03   to do the thing that I wanted to do I [TS]

01:16:05   feel like this is a key thing about [TS]

01:16:06   productivity and think trying to [TS]

01:16:09   accomplish anything [TS]

01:16:11   it's not about motivation it's not about [TS]

01:16:14   knuckling down working hard [TS]

01:16:16   it's about tricking your brain and [TS]

01:16:18   constraining options and so what I have [TS]

01:16:21   been doing is I have been going to a a [TS]

01:16:26   different and new cafe with just a just [TS]

01:16:29   a pad of a legal paper and a pen and [TS]

01:16:33   literally nothing else except headphones [TS]

01:16:37   connected to a song i can loop on my [TS]

01:16:39   watch [TS]

01:16:40   ok brain-e with me we're going to sit [TS]

01:16:44   here and we're going to sit here and we [TS]

01:16:47   cannot leave until you have done two [TS]

01:16:49   hours of writing like I don't care what [TS]

01:16:52   you right brain [TS]

01:16:53   I don't care at all but we're not [TS]

01:16:55   leaving until this happens as I guess [TS]

01:16:58   what [TS]

01:16:58   under these circumstances where there's [TS]

01:17:00   literally nothing else in the world to [TS]

01:17:02   do eventually something will come out [TS]

01:17:05   and say okay I'm just gonna start [TS]

01:17:07   writing a stream-of-consciousness here [TS]

01:17:09   and like this is this all we need to do [TS]

01:17:11   we're just gonna get the hand moving and [TS]

01:17:13   that's it [TS]

01:17:14   and this is this is always my like last [TS]

01:17:16   resort trick into trying to boot myself [TS]

01:17:19   back into having a a better actually [TS]

01:17:22   writing rate so this is the thing I've [TS]

01:17:25   been working on for a little while [TS]

01:17:27   and it's pulling me out of it and it is [TS]

01:17:30   just this is my ultimate kind of last [TS]

01:17:33   trick is to give the brain no options [TS]

01:17:37   you have to do the thing brain but [TS]

01:17:39   that's all there is [TS]

01:17:41   however there's a thing that like the [TS]

01:17:43   listener might ask which is why don't [TS]

01:17:45   you just do this right from the start [TS]

01:17:47   and I think a key the key thing about [TS]

01:17:51   creative work is being aware like when [TS]

01:17:55   do you need to step back for a little [TS]

01:17:56   while and when i was first to wear like [TS]

01:18:00   my my bounce rate was just way too high [TS]

01:18:02   and i wasn't getting any quality writing [TS]

01:18:05   work done at all [TS]

01:18:06   ok this this is a time not to push it [TS]

01:18:11   like don't don't push it too hard when [TS]

01:18:15   you're not going to get anything out [TS]

01:18:18   like it feels like you can break [TS]

01:18:18   something here when it's just not going [TS]

01:18:22   to happen and so what I did and when I [TS]

01:18:26   was kind of alluding to last episode is [TS]

01:18:30   this thing where i have spent a very [TS]

01:18:33   significant part of January essentially [TS]

01:18:37   breaking down the entirety of how do i [TS]

01:18:42   work what are my systems around work how [TS]

01:18:45   do i use task management how do i [TS]

01:18:47   organized notes breaking down absolutely [TS]

01:18:49   everything to nothing and starting over [TS]

01:18:53   and spending a lot of the the time that [TS]

01:18:57   I would normally be writing thinking [TS]

01:19:01   very intentionally about how do i work [TS]

01:19:05   what am i working towards doing a very [TS]

01:19:09   intense seasonal review and trying to [TS]

01:19:12   think of how to structure a 20-17 that [TS]

01:19:18   is a great 2017 and also sustainable so [TS]

01:19:23   that's what I've been that's what i've [TS]

01:19:24   been doing and I would love to talk [TS]

01:19:26   about that more but we've been talking [TS]

01:19:29   for a very long time like that we can [TS]

01:19:31   leave this episode on a cliffhanger [TS]

01:19:34   is that what this is i think it might be [TS]

01:19:37   is unprecedented [TS]

01:19:38   next time on cortex [TS]