The Incomparable

◼   ► the Intolerable episode 338 7777 buddy

◼   ► this is a bonus edition of the

◼   ► incomparable I like to have our episodes

◼   ► not be two and a half hours long and

◼   ► sometimes that means i cut things out of

◼   ► episodes because you know me

◼   ► you've got time that you want to spend

◼   ► on other things and two-and-a-half hour

◼   ► long podcast is too long i think in most

◼   ► cases but you know I don't want to judge

◼   ► some people love as much as they can get

◼   ► of anything we talked about and in this

◼   ► case we talk about black mirror that was

◼   ► what happened episode 337 and this is a

◼   ► sub episode to that because basically we

◼   ► talked for so long about every single

◼   ► black mirror episode that it wasn't

◼   ► gonna fit so instead what we did myself

◼   ► John siracusa David lure brian hamilton

◼   ► our conversation about black mirror the

◼   ► eight episodes that we didn't like as

◼   ► much as the five that we loved is going

◼   ► to be put in this appendix episode so if

◼   ► you want to hear us talk about more

◼   ► episodes of black mirror here it is

◼   ► I will warn you if we haven't talked

◼   ► about your favorite episode yet in the

◼   ► main show it means we didn't like it as

◼   ► much as the other five so be prepared if

◼   ► you're a big fan of white bear you're

◼   ► going to be disappointed with what we

◼   ► think of it but hey it's fun

◼   ► everybody gets to have their own opinion

◼   ► thank you for listening to be

◼   ► uncomfortable and enjoy the rest of

◼   ► black mirror the national anthem was

◼   ► episode 1 of series 1 a black mirror

◼   ► this famously is the episode that

◼   ► involves basically tech a day an

◼   ► anarchist blackmails the there

◼   ► the Prime Minister of England into

◼   ► having sex with a pig on us on live TV

◼   ► or he'll kill a princess and this got

◼   ► the news when it was reported last year

◼   ► that the prime minister of bread

◼   ► David Cameron was a in a secret society

◼   ► in college that apparently had an

◼   ► initiation ritual slightly related to

◼   ► the plot of this purpose would but the

◼   ► idea here is that you know using using

◼   ► modern media techniques they escalate

◼   ► the pressure on the prime minister to do

◼   ► a egg to commit an unspeakable act in

◼   ► public and and shame himself and there's

◼   ► this question of like what can they do

◼   ► and will you will you give in to the

◼   ► demands of this terrorist or anarchist

◼   ► or will you not what people think very

◼   ► grimy episode made me feel gross

◼   ► watching it I if it was so sort of such

◼   ► a grim view of everything involved it

◼   ► just set the tone for the series and

◼   ► submit one of the things that maybe not

◼   ► come back to her for a long time was

◼   ► like yeah I see what they're doing there

◼   ► that's fine like this theme for me for a

◼   ► lot of black mirror is I feel like

◼   ► everybody's seen it before or already

◼   ► know what they're gonna tell me and have

◼   ► learned this lesson and don't need to

◼   ► learn it again and it's not you know you

◼   ► mentioned in this lack earlier the like

◼   ► maybe you've seen too much sci-fi now I

◼   ► think it's like most adults who are even

◼   ► remotely enter the sort of you know this

◼   ► kind of genre fiction have seen these

◼   ► things before and the national anthem

◼   ► was like you've seen this before

◼   ► we'll make it a little bit more grimy

◼   ► and gross and and have it be ripped from

◼   ► the headlines and I was just not

◼   ► interested right

◼   ► didn't watch it have too many problems

◼   ► with the premises ok David yeah I'm

◼   ► pretty much with john i saw it years and

◼   ► years ago and kinda went yeah okay you

◼   ► want to be read certainly but you need

◼   ► to be a better writer and then the whole

◼   ► David Cameron thinking about you go

◼   ► mmm he knows something but it's you know

◼   ► I've enjoyed charlie brooker before this

◼   ► has a comedian and a panel show host on

◼   ► BBC radio and he goes to an acid black

◼   ► show called so wrong it's right which is

◼   ► about horrible horrible stories so it

◼   ► made sense when it was like oh this is

◼   ► charlie brooker writing fiction but

◼   ► then-then isn't fiction

◼   ► yeah it's not as much friction as we

◼   ► thought I didn't I think this one is

◼   ► fine myself I i literally I have it in

◼   ► the eye I put them all in order and this

◼   ► is literally in the middle it is it

◼   ► isn't number 713 on my list and I have

◼   ► it as I i divided my black mirror

◼   ► episodes into three camps which is I

◼   ► liked it

◼   ► I I appreciate it but I have some real

◼   ► problems with it and I hate it and this

◼   ► is this leads the i appreciated but I

◼   ► have some real problems that it's dark

◼   ► there parts of that I don't like but

◼   ► what I did like about it is that it

◼   ► takes its premise and and this is true

◼   ► for a lot of black mare episodes it

◼   ► takes its premise and it explores it

◼   ► thoroughly

◼   ► I feel like it explores the

◼   ► ramifications of what this is to an

◼   ► extreme like every little bit of it and

◼   ► i actually like the way this one ends

◼   ► because it ends darkly but also with a

◼   ► an optimism about the public that it

◼   ► turns out is not present in almost any

◼   ► other episode where Prime Minister goes

◼   ► through with this the the princess is

◼   ► released and we view you know down the

◼   ► road a little bit there's a flat they're

◼   ► sort of a time gap and that he is a he

◼   ► still prime minister and he's still

◼   ► popular but his wife despises him

◼   ► basically so that's that's a little dark

◼   ► twist but i thought wow they didn't you

◼   ► know show him like as a as a

◼   ► a drunk in an alleyway drinking out of a

◼   ► bottle and a paper bag like thick that

◼   ► it could have been darker and it turns

◼   ► out every other episode is pretty much

◼   ► darker than than that but but i did i

◼   ► did like that and and and what it says

◼   ► about like the political calculations

◼   ► and and being in public and and if

◼   ► somebody makes an outrageous demand your

◼   ► you're a public figure I just I mean

◼   ► that basic premise of what if this

◼   ► happened what would what would the

◼   ► result be and it moves through every

◼   ► step along the way I like that about it

◼   ► but it's not someone that I think I

◼   ► would want to revisit ever

◼   ► it's okay Brian you don't need to watch

◼   ► that 1i have so many opinions about that

◼   ► i'm not going to say anything because I

◼   ► have not watched it all right subtree I

◼   ► want bacon

◼   ► I just I don't know get outdated get uh

◼   ► yeah us in him so let's move on to the

◼   ► second episode of the first series which

◼   ► was called 15 million merits this is an

◼   ► episode about people this this is like

◼   ► the far future dystopia episode in a way

◼   ► which is there are people and all they

◼   ► do all day is like right exercise bikes

◼   ► in order to generate power and they get

◼   ► they get you know electronic currency

◼   ► that they can use to buy things and the

◼   ► only way out of this you know bicycling

◼   ► job of theirs is to become a contestant

◼   ► on a reality talent show

◼   ► so you know it's kind of a broad premise

◼   ► and we meet a we meet a nice young man

◼   ► named being who who is a who overhears a

◼   ► woman singing and thinks that she could

◼   ► try out for the reality singing show and

◼   ► cleanser his or gives her his his

◼   ► credits that he inherited and she wins

◼   ► on the show in a terrible way where they

◼   ► decide that they don't want her to be a

◼   ► singer they wanted to be a porn star and

◼   ► it's either that or back to the bicycle

◼   ► and so she accepts and then he is sort

◼   ► of destroyed by watching this happen

◼   ► saves up to be on the talent show

◼   ► himself decides to tell them all off

◼   ► threatens to kill himself

◼   ► and of course in the in the dark twist

◼   ► they appreciate his threatening to get

◼   ► killed himself while ranting about how

◼   ► unfair the world is and hire him to do

◼   ► that same thing every week on television

◼   ► that's a 15 million merits Brian would

◼   ► you think about this one

◼   ► you know honestly despite all the fat

◼   ► phobia ableism and terrible treatment of

◼   ► women i still have this episode you know

◼   ► the fact that the fat phobia is part of

◼   ► the satire though i would argue in this

◼   ► one I think that that is I think that I

◼   ► that's how I read that one is that that

◼   ► is that is not we're not supposed to be

◼   ► laughing at that that is part of the

◼   ► horrible world that they live in that

◼   ► there's like initially awful character

◼   ► that's in there yeah i agree but at the

◼   ► same time the fact that they're putting

◼   ► all the stuff into the show and the fact

◼   ► that it ends with this weird commentary

◼   ► about you know consumerism and the whole

◼   ► suicide thing what bothers me the most

◼   ► is that I don't think that was worth all

◼   ► the other terrible stuff that happened

◼   ► to me episode that ending and that

◼   ► character was not worth us having to

◼   ► watch the terrible things happen

◼   ► well David step back and look at any of

◼   ► it oh I i I've got like eight windows

◼   ► open here because i'm running a podcast

◼   ► I don't have time to chat sorry I'm back

◼   ► I'm back every no idea what you've said

◼   ► all right three minutes John so this

◼   ► this episode I had some hope for the

◼   ► show after like all going to come back

◼   ► to the show up the first terrible

◼   ► episode and like all right there's some

◼   ► interesting premise here I thought a

◼   ► little bit looked a little bit low

◼   ► budget like with the exercise bikes and

◼   ► little room there in heaven they had

◼   ► some interesting ideas but the problem

◼   ► was is it was like let's put a bunch of

◼   ► humans few of which have like our

◼   ► current modern-day sensibilities in an

◼   ► absurdly awful situation that is

◼   ► unexplained and that they're that every

◼   ► every human in this people on the bikes

◼   ► the people sweeping up behind them the

◼   ► judges are on the the reality show the

◼   ► audience on the reality show the stars

◼   ► of there

◼   ► holiday show every single one of those

◼   ► people isn't in a miserable situation

◼   ► for unexplained reasons and I they move

◼   ► from one miserable situation for

◼   ► unexplained reasons to another measure

◼   ► and all the medical situations like oh

◼   ► you have to open your eyes and watch ads

◼   ► oh you the only way out of this grind of

◼   ► exercise bike is going to reality show

◼   ► oh you are a terrible person in the

◼   ► audience laughing at people and being

◼   ► cruel all your star of the show and

◼   ► you're you're alone and you have your

◼   ► glass shard in a little case and

◼   ► everything every one of those people

◼   ► miserable

◼   ► why are they miserable who is making

◼   ► them miserable is this a misery of their

◼   ► own created like me there is no

◼   ► explanation in their miserable in

◼   ► different ways and it's like so the

◼   ► lesson is you're always going to be

◼   ► miserable in that no matter what because

◼   ► the writers are going to make every

◼   ► single facet of this new reality

◼   ► miserable for reasons that you won't

◼   ► explain it was just the whole show felt

◼   ► miserable despite the fact that I think

◼   ► they had concentrated on one or two

◼   ► aspects of it that you could you can

◼   ► have a dystopia but I want there to be

◼   ► some reason that SOB came to be other is

◼   ► just that they felt like they were all

◼   ► hemmed in by the writer so and then have

◼   ► the greatest one big thumbs down

◼   ► David yeah i'm i'm right there with you

◼   ► it's it was you you need something and

◼   ► and I hate watching things where it's

◼   ► literally the writers did this because

◼   ► the writers wanted to do it i have that

◼   ► problem with Sherlock two things happen

◼   ► because Moffitt and marketers want them

◼   ► to happen and this was very much the

◼   ► same way it's it's interesting to look

◼   ► at their there are a lot of interesting

◼   ► ideas but there's just no there's no

◼   ► hook to it there's no point so I this is

◼   ► this one is in my top half and toward

◼   ► the bottom but it's in my top half

◼   ► I i like the little opinions I I yeah I

◼   ► like it for what it is which is I think

◼   ► that the world they yet why is that just

◼   ► hope you you know again the matrix

◼   ► powering using people as batteries also

◼   ► doesn't make any sense i'm going to let

◼   ► it i'm going to make sense that

◼   ► machine's want to kill humans and make

◼   ► sense there is a subjugated and as

◼   ► subjugate or but in this episode's just

◼   ► why are there coupons but why are there

◼   ► people on exercise bikes at it because

◼   ► it's a method of control or something

◼   ► like that but who's controlling them but

◼   ► everybody

◼   ► mr. but purely as purely again purely as

◼   ► a as a metaphor i enjoyed the I the

◼   ► mechanics of earning the merits and of

◼   ► being trying to be generous

◼   ► I appreciate the fact that any belief we

◼   ► have that this that the work this world

◼   ► could be even remotely good or fair is

◼   ► ripped away with what happens to a be in

◼   ► when she appears onstage I love as a max

◼   ► headroom fan from way back i love the

◼   ► the detail that you can not only can you

◼   ► not turn off the TV but you must watch

◼   ► it and it will if you close your eyes it

◼   ► knows and it will let you until you open

◼   ► your eyes and look at what it's showing

◼   ► you which on max headroom make it

◼   ► through like a blanket over the TV they

◼   ► always were on but you could cover them

◼   ► and in this they know everything about

◼   ► you i thought that was a really nice bit

◼   ► that will that will come to stick with

◼   ► me and you know as ridiculous as it is

◼   ► where he threatens to kill himself and

◼   ► they and they applauded him and say you

◼   ► can do that every week it and it is

◼   ► ridiculous

◼   ► like I said was toward the bottom of my

◼   ► of my top app but I i did like the the

◼   ► weird bittersweetness of him basically

◼   ► living in a penthouse being able to look

◼   ► at big windows into the outside world

◼   ► and drink fresh orange juice as an

◼   ► example of just how bizarre and an

◼   ► unfair this whole society is and more

◼   ► importantly that his rebellion his act

◼   ► of rebellion is is completely co-opted

◼   ► and I I kind of enjoy opted by who

◼   ► nobody will ever see by the system

◼   ► manual about the system yet can't

◼   ► there's there's not even a hint of the

◼   ► system install yy-you sorry it makes me

◼   ► angry because like that is but I don't

◼   ► think our that new but there's a lot of

◼   ► them in there you can make a good show

◼   ► about the have you have to watch ads

◼   ► right you could even make a good show

◼   ► about the reality show and about you can

◼   ► make a good show about the futility of

◼   ► rebellion but surrounding them you need

◼   ► you need a system and some antagonists

◼   ► and a power structure there's no power

◼   ► structure the power structure is writers

◼   ► at the top

◼   ► everybody in the show at the back yeah

◼   ► yeah I mean there's no big brother

◼   ► there's no zig zag corporation there's

◼   ► there's just nothing opposing all of it

◼   ► it's just happening

◼   ► Charlie Brooker is the ruler of the

◼   ► society let's move on to number three

◼   ► how about that the entire history of you

◼   ► 1i have one more thing to say about this

◼   ► episode of Brian go for it

◼   ► contrary to all of that I believe that

◼   ► getting rid of any sort of Big Brother

◼   ► any overarching thing was the most

◼   ► interesting part of this episode to me

◼   ► as much as I hated the episode for all

◼   ► the other reasons including suicide

◼   ► which i completely forgot about earlier

◼   ► i really enjoyed the fact that it was up

◼   ► to me as the audience to populate

◼   ► everything else was happening above the

◼   ► people on the bikes and honestly I

◼   ► thought that they were living

◼   ► underground of our society today and

◼   ► that they were the ones powering some

◼   ► aspect of our society with their bikes

◼   ► which I thought was really interesting

◼   ► and if that's not the show at all that's

◼   ► just something that came to my mind as I

◼   ► was watching trying to make sense of all

◼   ► this which is again later that should

◼   ► not be put on me the audience but I

◼   ► still thought it was interesting that of

◼   ► all the things they chose to show and

◼   ► subject us to that was the one thing

◼   ► they got rid of but when your head Canon

◼   ► is more interesting than the thing

◼   ► you're watching that's a problem with

◼   ► the thing you're watching

◼   ► I don't entirely agree with that just

◼   ► because I don't think it always matters

◼   ► not everything has to flesh out the

◼   ► entire world above it I was ok with in I

◼   ► mean I i get that for some people to it

◼   ► has to be that way but it didn't bother

◼   ► me but it was just too much like i was

◼   ► saying like I i if we'd only seen the

◼   ► people on the bicycle or only senior it

◼   ► like it but they showed us every aspect

◼   ► of everything but there is no unseen

◼   ► part as far as where they showed up so

◼   ► much of the world that that's why i end

◼   ► up with like the big flat world where

◼   ► birds mr. Bowlen just the writers of the

◼   ► top pulling the strings whereas if they

◼   ► had showed less then you then you all

◼   ► you have left is headcanon I'm fine with

◼   ► that like when they're intentionally

◼   ► withholding and it's like we're just

◼   ► going to show you this aspect and you're

◼   ► not going to know what the Bob I just

◼   ► feel like they showed us too much right

◼   ► we don't need to know Big Brother we

◼   ► don't need any detailed big brother but

◼   ► we need to know that there is one

◼   ► yeah I suppose that's true but you mean

◼   ► the judges of the reality show don't run

◼   ► the let me my out because they're

◼   ► they're clearly this is horrible days

◼   ► they are you

◼   ► rebellion idea they are also miserable

◼   ► which is a kind of a nice touch i

◼   ► enjoyed that

◼   ► alright the entire history of you is an

◼   ► episode in which people's everything

◼   ► people see is recorded and accessible so

◼   ► you have perfect memory and it can be

◼   ► played back to other people and the

◼   ► implications of that and i think this is

◼   ► a this is a another good example of

◼   ► taking a taking a premise and then ring

◼   ► a whole bunch of problematic

◼   ► interpersonal and social implications

◼   ► out of perfect replayable memory and it

◼   ► and it involves the dissolution of a

◼   ► marriage so what people what people

◼   ► think of this one

◼   ► David of of the first three in the first

◼   ► season this would be my favorite mine

◼   ► take is it

◼   ► yeah well and see you know earlier in

◼   ► slack i said okay i don't know your list

◼   ► but I see the ratios i think i know

◼   ► which ones I think we like the same ones

◼   ► this this is just an interesting story

◼   ► well told and with it with a devastating

◼   ► payoff and it doesn't it doesn't overdo

◼   ► it doesn't belabor it just it's exactly

◼   ► right Dave sorry i was doing tom

◼   ► I think it's very well in terms of

◼   ► structuring the story and the characters

◼   ► and everything but the tech the tech was

◼   ► pretty cool but when it comes down to it

◼   ► this was a crappy person using tech

◼   ► crappily and you can make this story

◼   ► with twitter or text messages or

◼   ► anything right now and I don't know if

◼   ► what the show did again was worth the

◼   ► the emotional turmoil at the characters

◼   ► in the audience were put through because

◼   ► of the fact that the tech was so minimal

◼   ► well the world part but because this

◼   ► this is where the show works for me

◼   ► because the tech is important you know

◼   ► you need the tech for the story but the

◼   ► characters are what you're watching and

◼   ► and broker does not always care about

◼   ► the characters he is he's very into the

◼   ► tech in a lot of the shows and this is

◼   ► one where it's all it works for me

◼   ► and unlike some black mare episodes that

◼   ► this in this one the tech exists

◼   ► to bring out an implication of our

◼   ► social interactions and it actually

◼   ► reminded me a little bit of the

◼   ► invention of lying the regular basis

◼   ► movie which is the you know which is a

◼   ► it's got its own problems but the same

◼   ► idea is here because the entire history

◼   ► of you is about how there are if you can

◼   ► see everything that happened and

◼   ► remember everything that happened

◼   ► it's not necessarily a good thing in

◼   ► fact we lie and omit and miss remember

◼   ► and forget and it's one of the things

◼   ► that allows society and personal

◼   ► relationships to function and that if

◼   ► your idealistic and say no if everybody

◼   ► told the truth or if everything that you

◼   ► ever did could be checked that the world

◼   ► would be a better place and this is

◼   ► broker saying really what it and I

◼   ► appreciated that about it to that it

◼   ► that is that's what ultimately what it's

◼   ► about is what destroys this relationship

◼   ► is I mean yeah it's jealousy and there's

◼   ► some infidelity and all these other

◼   ► things mixed in there but ultimately

◼   ► it's about a lack of trust and the

◼   ► ability to prove or disprove everything

◼   ► in the world and you know I appreciate

◼   ► that about it like the first to have

◼   ► some really good satirical points and

◼   ► and really sharp things to say about the

◼   ► tech or about the politics or reality TV

◼   ► or whatever

◼   ► this one is actually a story about

◼   ► people yeah and it's it's something that

◼   ► we could live we can see ourselves going

◼   ► through the story John really isn't that

◼   ► outlandish

◼   ► so I am I really complained about that

◼   ► again everything the same except one

◼   ► piece of technology extended out

◼   ► ridiculously and the implications they

◼   ► would come from the existence of that

◼   ► technology totally ignored because if

◼   ► you could do that you could do so many

◼   ► other things but like now we just want

◼   ► to talk about this but i'm willing to

◼   ► mostly forgive that because i like David

◼   ► said this is episode about characters

◼   ► you could have this episode about slow

◼   ► dawning realization of infidelity you

◼   ► can have a sudden 1800 and it would

◼   ► still be good if done well right and the

◼   ► technology angle is what makes us a

◼   ► blackberry episodes like here is here

◼   ► here is that the black mirror twist on

◼   ► it is that at in the way you've seen the

◼   ► story told before with the ways that you

◼   ► can realize infidelity is happening here

◼   ► is a new way to both make a realization

◼   ► about it and obsess over both of which

◼   ► happened in the in regular life and have

◼   ► for millennia like all that stuff

◼   ► happens and when it happens always the

◼   ► people who are doing it are using the

◼   ► tools of the time this is showing us

◼   ► imagine if there was another tool and

◼   ► like Grayson said you know that the

◼   ► implications of being of having more

◼   ► information available this is not that

◼   ► big of an extension from you know

◼   ► Facebook stalking your ex or obsessing

◼   ► over text messages or looking at old

◼   ► pictures I mean just looking at old

◼   ► pictures with the thing that you

◼   ► couldn't do before photography because

◼   ► you're maybe you had an old painting but

◼   ► if you're rich but that's about it right

◼   ► so I you know I i would give this one a

◼   ► pass on the that the sci-fi trap of

◼   ► extending one technology leave

◼   ► everything else the same because I

◼   ► enjoyed watching it for the characters

◼   ► and the story and i think it passes the

◼   ► minimum bar for sci-fi ish anthology

◼   ► show it with a dim view of these

◼   ► particular characters and I also think

◼   ► like this one pulls back a little bit i

◼   ► mean it's I stuff like it's trying to

◼   ► say if we have this tech this is what's

◼   ► gonna happen to everybody and I don't

◼   ► like that but I'm willing to headcanon

◼   ► it back into a narrower story and say

◼   ► this is a story about these characters

◼   ► and it played out so definitely my

◼   ► favorite of the first season

◼   ► head-and-shoulders about who I'm okay

◼   ► I'm okay with it because i think the

◼   ► implication and this is actually the

◼   ► biggest problem i have with it is this

◼   ► is this is also about how this guy

◼   ► is awful I mean it exists driven to it

◼   ► but it's like the tech isn't the reason

◼   ► this happens he's the reason this

◼   ► happens

◼   ► yeah you feel like the show is blaming

◼   ► attack it's like now no not that I mean

◼   ► he would also be the facebook stalker

◼   ► like Matt this to this so many weekend

◼   ► 1800 be waiting outside the tavern for

◼   ► you to leave he can let the fact that

◼   ► that an old boyfriend of his wife is our

◼   ► is there he could let it go entirely and

◼   ► he doesn't and that leads to a spiral

◼   ► that leads to disaster but a more

◼   ► confident emotionally balanced human

◼   ► being would let it go right and it's

◼   ► like the tekkit just enables the spiral

◼   ► but he's the reason why i should mention

◼   ► this is the only episode of black mirror

◼   ► that is not does not contain a charlie

◼   ► brooker writing credit at all it is just

◼   ► the Armstrongs episode so and you guys

◼   ► are really funny i like this the least

◼   ► of three of the first season but I still

◼   ► thought it was fine i think i thought it

◼   ► was fine i thought it was fine I i find

◼   ► i find the last half very difficult to

◼   ► watch and that's what pushed it down the

◼   ► the emotional abuse her know that

◼   ► happens as well as the violence as a man

◼   ► comes completely on board and does a

◼   ► sequence of just parentally awful things

◼   ► i find i found really really difficult

◼   ► to watch and again the expectations that

◼   ► black mirror sets for being a show about

◼   ► tech made the ending fall flat for me

◼   ► because there really wasn't much of that

◼   ► and as so often happens on the

◼   ► incomparable this discussion is really

◼   ► making me want to go back and re-watch

◼   ► it as a character drama with tech any

◼   ► and not a text story with some drama in

◼   ► it what stood out to me the most about

◼   ► this episode was when they're having sex

◼   ► while playing back memories of better

◼   ► sex and that was the one that really hit

◼   ► music oh ok thats that's where the shows

◼   ► going to go now okay and that turned me

◼   ► off from the rest of the show if i can

◼   ► remove that from my mind and re-watch it

◼   ► with this new lens of this is a better

◼   ► written drama that's not run by Charlie

◼   ► Booker i'll give it another shot once

◼   ► i'm a little bit more emotionally stable

◼   ► after the sponge hashtag premier to and

◼   ► and the and the amazing thing about that

◼   ► those you know how many times has that

◼   ► happened where you do start replaying in

◼   ► your mind

◼   ► this can literally replay it for you in

◼   ► perfect detail and it adds forever and

◼   ► is yeah okay let's talk about white bear

◼   ► so in white bear a woman wakes up and

◼   ► doesn't remember who she is and goes

◼   ► outside and there are a bunch of people

◼   ► just standing around looking at their

◼   ► phones and watching and recording her

◼   ► and people try to kill her and she runs

◼   ► around and people try to kill her some

◼   ► more and she runs around and lady says

◼   ► we need to go to the transmitter because

◼   ► that will stop people trying to kill us

◼   ► and they take her there and it's

◼   ► revealed that the transmitter is

◼   ► actually the stage of a kind of reality

◼   ► TV said would be where they're uh

◼   ► they're doing a show about punishing

◼   ► murderers by having them feel the fear

◼   ► that their victims had and that she

◼   ► actually with her boyfriend or husband

◼   ► or whoever cat kidnapped a little girl

◼   ► and he killed her and so she now is

◼   ► sentenced to relive this day over and

◼   ► over again that's white bear i have

◼   ► opinions about this but I want to hear

◼   ► yours first

◼   ► Ryan this had the potential to be my

◼   ► favorite black mirror episode because my

◼   ► history with the show was I watched 15

◼   ► million merits first stopped watching

◼   ► and then once everyone started talking

◼   ► about San junipero i decide to jump back

◼   ► in and started with white bear which was

◼   ► one that somebody recommended to me and

◼   ► it has potential to be my favorite

◼   ► because I really thought that the show

◼   ► needed some kind of intensity without

◼   ► emotional abuse and i'm really into

◼   ► horror movies i'm really into this kind

◼   ► of it seemed post-apocalyptic almost up

◼   ► through the very end and it was

◼   ► well-made well-acted well everything

◼   ► like we already said about the entire

◼   ► series but then the ending the ending

◼   ► just threw everything that I loved about

◼   ► that episode away and restored faith in

◼   ► the fact that blackberry is not a show

◼   ► for me there are some episodes a black

◼   ► mirror where the big reveal is that

◼   ► everybody that we've sort of been

◼   ► going for is terrible and they deserve

◼   ► everything that you've seen them get and

◼   ► you shouldn't feel bad for them and i

◼   ► find this kind of a frustrating and

◼   ► questionable decision but it's one that

◼   ► they keep making so i guess they think

◼   ► it's really great to do that so in this

◼   ► case you know this woman who seems like

◼   ► the victim is revealed to have been a an

◼   ► accomplice in the kidnapping and murder

◼   ► of a little girl and so we you know

◼   ► wherever we're witnessing her you know

◼   ► torture as justice essentially yeah John

◼   ► Charlie introduction so black mirror it

◼   ► is like a collection of things you

◼   ► shouldn't do I stories and so this isn't

◼   ► this episode is of the the genre where

◼   ► I'm going to make a story sci-fi story

◼   ► or any start really what happens live on

◼   ► syfy where I'm going to pretend the

◼   ► human nature has changed so radically

◼   ► that the entire world is entirely on

◼   ► board with the repeated incredibly cruel

◼   ► torture of this admitted you know killer

◼   ► our accomplice to murder or whatever and

◼   ► they're cheery about it and they bring

◼   ► their kids and isn't that super dark and

◼   ► terrible and it's like that's not what

◼   ► human beings are like I you like that is

◼   ► a ridiculous premise especially when its

◼   ► unsupported just be the surrounding

◼   ► hellscape you know Carrie pig's blood

◼   ► nightmare for who

◼   ► someone who turns out to be a murderer

◼   ► like all those people like it there

◼   ► there there and filming and they're so

◼   ► like there's not enough psychos in the

◼   ► world to fill those slots in that thing

◼   ► and the idea that it is a happy

◼   ► important part of a functioning Society

◼   ► is absurd

◼   ► yeah it only exists to further heighten

◼   ► the you know the the horror of like I

◼   ► can't imagine if I was in that situation

◼   ► and then as Jason said the final thing

◼   ► which i think is probably not a unique

◼   ► black mera twist a signature move of

◼   ► saying well guess what that person was

◼   ► terrible too so so you have fake people

◼   ► who act like humans would never act for

◼   ► inexplicable reasons and your heroes

◼   ► terrible to the end and was screaming

◼   ► yeah David yep yep

◼   ► yeah what if black mirror but even but

◼   ► too much

◼   ► uh yeah this is this is a dub almost I

◼   ► don't know its worst are tied for worst

◼   ► I i hated this I let me use the way

◼   ► we're here

◼   ► I despise this episode for lots of

◼   ► reasons

◼   ► um you know I despise this episode the

◼   ► ok the yeah i mean first off it it feels

◼   ► so artificial throughout I mean I get

◼   ► that it is kinetic there's a lot of

◼   ► action there's car chases and gunfire

◼   ► and people running in a showdown at a

◼   ► convenience store and all those things

◼   ► and it's super creepy because it's like

◼   ► as again post-apocalyptic is everybody's

◼   ► sort of had their mind taken over by

◼   ► this thing this beaming out that's

◼   ► making them be like zombies and watching

◼   ► or try to kill this lady that but i

◼   ► found it unpleasant to watch and I

◼   ► didn't really enjoy any but it seems

◼   ► sick it is brian i don't like horror

◼   ► movies so i can say no you i can see

◼   ► that right cuz I don't like horror

◼   ► movies is it just felt like that and

◼   ► perhaps a competent one so I disliked it

◼   ► already and then we get to the we get to

◼   ► the twist which one first off I felt was

◼   ► completely ridiculous and I and didn't

◼   ► help my opinion of it that now what we

◼   ► were actually watching is this

◼   ► ridiculous kind of reality show the only

◼   ► thing in this entire episode that i

◼   ► actually liked was over the end credits

◼   ► where it's like a production documentary

◼   ► of how they make the White Bear the

◼   ► trunk atrocity this is the White Bear

◼   ► reality show that that made me laugh

◼   ► because they're it's all of the

◼   ► trappings of a TV shows electronic press

◼   ► kit applied to this horrible thing and

◼   ► that made me that made me chuckle

◼   ► because that's not the only episode of

◼   ► black mirror where I felt like this

◼   ► little tidbit at the end should have

◼   ► been the whole episode because that

◼   ► would have been more cutting and instead

◼   ► you know instead this feels like like

◼   ► some movies that I've disliked over the

◼   ► years trying to have their cake and eat

◼   ► it too which is where really commenting

◼   ► on this by doing the exact same thing

◼   ► like now I don't think you get to do

◼   ► both of those things so yeah I hated and

◼   ► then was just so completely nullifies

◼   ► the rest of the show because the only

◼   ► thing of substance in the rest of the

◼   ► show is build up to a twist at once you

◼   ► know what it is that makes the rest of

◼   ► the episode you said this is all fake

◼   ► right it's all fake out so what you saw

◼   ► was a fake you you're seeing a show of a

◼   ► show that's fake there are really no

◼   ► steaks what you're seeing is this woman

◼   ► get terrified and you know did we really

◼   ► i mean the only reason I related to her

◼   ► is because she was in the opening scene

◼   ► and we followed the camera followed her

◼   ► but it's not like i emotionally

◼   ► connected with her and then was shocked

◼   ► when she was revealed to be a murderer

◼   ► that didn't really happen i'm just

◼   ► following her she runs right yeah if if

◼   ► that in sequence had been the whole show

◼   ► then you get to have a an hour of of

◼   ► sharp cutting satire about justice

◼   ► reality shows people's blood lust you

◼   ► have all of that

◼   ► instead you just have this little tiny

◼   ► snippet that you go well and you never

◼   ► want to see the rest of the episode

◼   ► again because what's the point good

◼   ► excuse for action sequences though which

◼   ► is what they gave us

◼   ► yeah yeah I'd like when it was started

◼   ► when and that's the other thing the

◼   ► episode was very easy to write the

◼   ► ending was very tricky if that had been

◼   ► the show it would have been trickier to

◼   ► write but it would've been so much

◼   ► better and wouldn't have been lazy

◼   ► yeah well I'm starting to realize about

◼   ► what I hate about black mirror is in

◼   ► white bear and 15 million merits

◼   ► especially the idea of public shaming

◼   ► and this kind of disbelief in the public

◼   ► to be any good and especially moments

◼   ► where the public is you know gasps

◼   ► lighted and convinced into believing

◼   ► something by a larger organization

◼   ► and we are put through the consequences

◼   ► of that by seeing characters that we've

◼   ► started to know and love put through

◼   ► terrible things not just you know being

◼   ► put through terrible things but in front

◼   ► of a crowd cheering them on doing like

◼   ► amplifying everything it's every single

◼   ► pantsless giving a speech dream you've

◼   ► had on TV multiple times which is weird

◼   ► although i will point out one out there

◼   ► is also an episode that i love that will

◼   ► get to a black mirror that seems to take

◼   ► the opposite tack which i find

◼   ► interesting that it isn't arguing with

◼   ► itself i don't know we'll get there

◼   ► next is the waldo moment which has been

◼   ► uh talked about a lot lately because I

◼   ► wonder why it is about a puppet the

◼   ► puppet nobody know but it is about a pre

◼   ► atv kind of cgi animated like live on

◼   ► the fly again a little like Max Headroom

◼   ► actually although not really he was kind

◼   ► of faked out but the idea of Max

◼   ► Headroom which is it's a comedian is

◼   ► working some equipment and creating this

◼   ► computer-generated bear who appears on

◼   ► TV and he runs four runs for a stands

◼   ► for a by-election for the UK Parliament

◼   ► is what happens and against the Tory and

◼   ► and labor candidates and the enters the

◼   ► debate and appears in a debate after

◼   ► harassing the the it's a safe seat for

◼   ► the Tories so here asses Tobias Menzies

◼   ► who I enjoy in lots of things and he's

◼   ► the inventory candidate and miss mr.

◼   ► Monroe and and in the end it becomes a

◼   ► viral sensation and Waldo the bear

◼   ► becomes more and more popular and

◼   ► meanwhile there's also a little side

◼   ► plot where the CIA comes to them and

◼   ► says this would be great to help us

◼   ► overthrow other countries that's just in

◼   ► there too

◼   ► no that's the that's the Walter moment i

◼   ► miss now mrs. now pay attention to me

◼   ► I've opinions yes yes mr. Monroe the

◼   ► fact that this episode is the one that

◼   ► is least talked about right now

◼   ► mmhmm yeah David I like bears

◼   ► I'm just you know I like bears

◼   ► uh-huh do you like waldo yeah yeah I

◼   ► like a better than Trump John this one

◼   ► on the suffers from a problem not

◼   ► related to sci-fi which is the studio 60

◼   ► on the Sunset Strip problem where did

◼   ► you go

◼   ► it's a show ostensibly about a comedy

◼   ► show but the comedy show is never funny

◼   ► so I see what this episode was going for

◼   ► but waldo was dumb and not convincing

◼   ► and so it undercuts I mean it's hard to

◼   ► do it i granted it's hard to do and so I

◼   ► think I kind of see what they were going

◼   ► for and in what they wanted to say i

◼   ► mean this this is this is not a trap but

◼   ► this is just what is doing that sort of

◼   ► moralizing like don't read on the public

◼   ► is and how they can easily be swayed but

◼   ► it's you know but it's sadly true but i

◼   ► think this was a not great execution of

◼   ► that ideas at waldos not that

◼   ► interesting

◼   ► the satire could have been more cutting

◼   ► if it was like the angle the fact that

◼   ► he cg and virtual is a person behind him

◼   ► is not particularly interesting doesn't

◼   ► add much but it's like it's the

◼   ► obligatory sci-fi thing so I'd this this

◼   ► episode i really like it but I certainly

◼   ► didn't hate it so just kind of sits

◼   ► there i put in the middle and about the

◼   ► fact that but again it was the easiest

◼   ► way of doing this story and so it was

◼   ► like well alright now do something give

◼   ► me twist you can you pick anything

◼   ► Brian what i will say is that unlike

◼   ► john i did like the fact that there was

◼   ► a person behind Waldo in that his ark as

◼   ► somebody who created this character and

◼   ► then ending up somewhere where the

◼   ► character completely outgrew him and

◼   ► he's abandoned and drinking alone in the

◼   ► middle of some country that's

◼   ► unspecified I like that a lot

◼   ► even though all the political commentary

◼   ► was happening in the background again I

◼   ► think like me shines the best when the

◼   ► characters are front and center and

◼   ► everything else happening around them

◼   ► and I feel like this is the perfect

◼   ► relationship between Waldo and his

◼   ► creator but you could have the same

◼   ► story without the the puppet

◼   ► did like he creates the character but

◼   ► like plays himself which i think would

◼   ► be more accurate to politicians and

◼   ► eventually the character of gross him

◼   ► the problem is that he still trapped in

◼   ► the character because of the same person

◼   ► the fact that this was a CG thing that

◼   ► could be taken over by another person

◼   ► again is the sci-fi angle and like

◼   ► you've made this creation but it's not

◼   ► really you like I see where they're

◼   ► going with that but it like that there

◼   ► are better ways to tell the same story

◼   ► that's been told it's been told better

◼   ► and in other contexts the into twist in

◼   ► the wall darkness doesn't add to it for

◼   ► me I like the I like the fact that it's

◼   ► a virtual character and I mean they're

◼   ► trying to say something about sort of

◼   ► viral videos and we've got every in a

◼   ► late-night talk show host is trying to

◼   ► generate viral videos and here's a

◼   ► character who who kind of goes viral

◼   ► accidentally but it squandered and I

◼   ► have this in my it's this at the bottom

◼   ► of my kind of mid rank of sort of like

◼   ► you know it i like things about it but

◼   ► it could have been way better like I

◼   ► think the scene where this comedian who

◼   ► kinda hates this character and is really

◼   ► reluctant to push it and really

◼   ► reluctant to be he feels he doesn't want

◼   ► to talk about politics right he just

◼   ► wants to tell his jokes and he meets

◼   ► well he does more than meet the Labour

◼   ► candidate when Paris right and he meets

◼   ► her in a in a in a bar and they chat and

◼   ► they go back to his room so I I feel

◼   ► like that that their interaction was

◼   ► really interesting and the idea that she

◼   ► is running for a seat that she can't win

◼   ► and the dynamics of that in terms of

◼   ► politics at and that you know mr.

◼   ► Munro's got in the bag and that's what I

◼   ► really wish the episode had been about I

◼   ► really wish the episode had spent more

◼   ► time with that dynamic like what if you

◼   ► know could although win could Waldo

◼   ► sabotage mr. Munro's so that the Labour

◼   ► candidate who maybe you know if she had

◼   ► more beliefs which she doesn't and I

◼   ► think that's kind of the the cynical

◼   ► view of politics is probably accurate

◼   ► that dead charlie brooker has I just

◼   ► felt like I kinda wanted more of the

◼   ► political stuff i was really surprised

◼   ► that nope

◼   ► point is there a thread about how it

◼   ► comes out that the voice of waldo has

◼   ► been romantically engaged with the

◼   ► Labour candidate and that maybe this is

◼   ► all just trying to sabotage Monroe I

◼   ► figured that would be a plotline never

◼   ► happens and in or is it threatened nor

◼   ► does anybody threaten it which just

◼   ► seemed kind of completely unrealistic to

◼   ► me on top of anything else so it's like

◼   ► and the CIA stuff is like from another

◼   ► movie it's like from a from an extremely

◼   ► hot rod kind of you know I don't know

◼   ► men in black kind of movie it's just

◼   ► completely out of left field so I feel

◼   ► like there was a really brilliant

◼   ► episode that might have been made using

◼   ► all of these component parts except for

◼   ► the CIA guy and then make it

◼   ► well it's like an episode of chopped

◼   ► about with TV show elements

◼   ► ok sure we move on we just gave a big

◼   ► net to the wall the moment

◼   ► so speaking of trying to kill people

◼   ► play test is next this is a an episode

◼   ► in which an American backpacker who

◼   ► travels around the world decides to sign

◼   ► up for an NDA of a new augmented reality

◼   ► game where they put an implant in your

◼   ► brain and you see things that aren't

◼   ► there and then he plays the game which

◼   ► is a way to do lots of jump-scares that

◼   ► are commented on but still are again we

◼   ► comment on the tropes but we still use

◼   ► the tropes and it goes horribly wrong or

◼   ► does it or it does or does it or it does

◼   ► or does it

◼   ► this inferior was so much this this is

◼   ► one that could have been 22 minutes and

◼   ► done you just have to give the the title

◼   ► and a one-sentence promising like I've

◼   ► seen that before yeah yeah yeahs this

◼   ► this was I mean I this is where

◼   ► commander Riker keeps waking up in

◼   ► different reality right it is same place

◼   ► I think we've even seen it with video

◼   ► game yeah the whole idea I'm but it's a

◼   ► video game but but it goes too far like

◼   ► in the video game becomes real and you

◼   ► thought it was just a game but now there

◼   ► are actual steaks and it turns out you

◼   ► die and then the company on too far no

◼   ► one will be seated dying the game you

◼   ► die in real life no one will be saved

◼   ► during the 2-minute long whack-a-mole

◼   ► seen there is a welcome Elaine when when

◼   ► when his phone rang early on and I went

◼   ► that's an interesting detail that's

◼   ► check on mom not we asked them right and

◼   ► not a single show know when when it

◼   ► played out exactly the way I thought

◼   ► from that point on and and so my

◼   ► fifteen-year-old watch this with me and

◼   ► he said you guys are talking about this

◼   ► show are they all this stupid oh my god

◼   ► no they're not all dlc this is literally

◼   ► the morning so these are brand-new

◼   ► stupid this is the worst episode where I

◼   ► think this is it that I don't think it

◼   ► is here so I don't think this is the

◼   ► worst one because it promises a again

◼   ► it's got the technology would have

◼   ► amazing implications that are not

◼   ► reviewable whatever it this game company

◼   ► has a goal to make a game and you know

◼   ► this charismatic leader who wanted to do

◼   ► this thing and it's super dangerous and

◼   ► they are evil and evil company that is

◼   ► suffering people in to these tests on

◼   ► that are dangerous and cause them to die

◼   ► but you don't that it's not like and

◼   ► guess what

◼   ► all humans like that now you like this

◼   ► company is like that right that's an

◼   ► evil corporation is the antagonist and

◼   ► the protagonist or whatever is a poor

◼   ► person gets sucked into it i think it is

◼   ► far less grimy and cynical and stupid

◼   ► and over reaching the other episodes it

◼   ► is straight down the middle

◼   ► exactly what it's going to be it never

◼   ► surprises you it is pretty boring and

◼   ► that's why i hate it i can't put it on

◼   ► the bottom is it doesn't make me like

◼   ► that angry and it's like well yeah I'd

◼   ► say it's lack of ambition is why i hate

◼   ► it i I think it's just garbage i think

◼   ► it I think it is everything that black

◼   ► mirror should be satirizing which is

◼   ► it's just

◼   ► yes it's just kinda it's obvious and

◼   ► it's garbage and and you know I i

◼   ► thought this was in the bottom couple of

◼   ► episodes for me and then there's the

◼   ► final twist which i have now read in a

◼   ► couple different places was added

◼   ► because the director thought it would be

◼   ► cool to add yet another twist twist

◼   ► where he wakes up an extra time and it

◼   ► turns out that he's dying because his

◼   ► mom is calling and that was not

◼   ► originally in the script originally in

◼   ► the script is going to go through all

◼   ► the horror and then he was going to wake

◼   ► up and it turns out that was it and he

◼   ► was he was done with his test and

◼   ► they're like no no we can put in extra

◼   ► twist like well okay I kind of hated

◼   ► that too but um you know it was before

◼   ► it was like he goes back in his mom is a

◼   ► is the reason his mom's been calling is

◼   ► that she's got Alzheimer's basically and

◼   ► she's very confused and doesn't

◼   ► recognize him and he's been running away

◼   ► from this the whole time and you realize

◼   ► that you know I thought that was it

◼   ► ok ending and the other end try to do a

◼   ► little bit of character building for

◼   ► this character whose is death marking

◼   ► late great line starting late

◼   ► yeah and also black mare really likes

◼   ► this is the the sci-fi trope of that

◼   ► time is different for fast computers

◼   ► like this

◼   ► the sweet dreams things like seconds

◼   ► right and they did it they did it with

◼   ► that with the Christmas 12 and it's like

◼   ► I like that idea it's done inside for a

◼   ► lot and I think I like stories that are

◼   ► built around that but they just sprinkle

◼   ► it on is like some you know it's

◼   ► officially missing dash on top drilling

◼   ► I missed you know this this baloney

◼   ► sandwich an episode like I think

◼   ► and speaking of amazing stories like

◼   ► amazing stories had a lot of straight up

◼   ► the middle ones too but they were so

◼   ► sort of innocent like the ud and forgive

◼   ► their naiveté but this doesn't fit

◼   ► enjoying don't don't don't make me ruin

◼   ► your childhood by telling you how bad

◼   ► amazing stories family was right now I

◼   ► don't get right yeah but like it's not

◼   ► forgiven for being like a kid's show and

◼   ► this is like it was not a kids show and

◼   ► it is supposed to be a horror game and

◼   ► it's part of black mirror yeah yeah we

◼   ► need to serve in retaliation for real

◼   ► genius again 22 minutes

◼   ► you wouldn't notice it would be fine

◼   ► help at 50 well but at 54 you notice the

◼   ► 12 twist at the end rewrite minutes we

◼   ► absolutely absolutely it would still be

◼   ► a bad episode but at 22 minutes you

◼   ► don't have that whole long protracted

◼   ► travel montage and the date

◼   ► yeah yeah and then I don't like the day

◼   ► I come on like tuesday better than

◼   ► anything in the actual plot

◼   ► yeah yeah yeah i forgot I was even in

◼   ► there was like a regular yeah just move

◼   ► in

◼   ► well yeah you've got like that vaguely

◼   ► interesting idea that is done as simply

◼   ► and conventionally as possible

◼   ► where is if you have a story better game

◼   ► manufacturer trying to come up with a

◼   ► game that will literally scare you to

◼   ► death without killing you and then how

◼   ► do they do that how do they walk up to

◼   ► that edge there's an interesting idea

◼   ► this is not it no this is a you know

◼   ► slasher film basically yeah he really

◼   ► didn't go far enough with the

◼   ► personalized horror because all they do

◼   ► know in high school bully

◼   ► yeah oh you don't like what is well

◼   ► here's a giant spider

◼   ► yeah whatever whatever I mean they've

◼   ► made a literal horror movie I can't hate

◼   ► this episode but it is not that Graham

◼   ► fair enough it's good solid shut up and

◼   ► dance is next

◼   ► shut up and dance is an episode in which

◼   ► people are caught and compromising

◼   ► because

◼   ► captions by by their devices being

◼   ► hacked so that they they can be recorded

◼   ► and their messages can be read and then

◼   ► they are told by a mysterious group that

◼   ► only communicates and text messages to

◼   ► do a various series of things that is a

◼   ► Rube Goldberg and sort of series of

◼   ► steps that lead to increasingly

◼   ► ridiculous situations that they are

◼   ► forced to comply with or everything

◼   ► that's going to ruin their lives will be

◼   ► revealed and I I gotta give it to black

◼   ► mirror you know black mirror is a show

◼   ► that tries to take a premise and run it

◼   ► to its fullest and it does that here i

◼   ► would argue that it perhaps runs it like

◼   ► it runs off the cliff with its premise

◼   ► and continues to run into the great yeah

◼   ► but yeah yeah it's like it for a while

◼   ► I'm like oh I'm kind of digging this and

◼   ► shut up and dance words like it is he

◼   ► gets a cake he's going to take a cake

◼   ► somewhere OB think that that guy isn't

◼   ► going to eat the cake

◼   ► they're gonna wear who's gonna get the

◼   ► cake what's going on with the cake and

◼   ► then it just it and then it wears out

◼   ► its welcome and becomes something that

◼   ► is just yeah unpleasant but you know

◼   ► where was going you'd seen enough black

◼   ► mare at this point i do the beauty and I

◼   ► be identifying with us here i get this

◼   ► job i saw that i was hoping against hope

◼   ► i'm watching this I'm like maybe they're

◼   ► not doing what I think now they're doing

◼   ► it i hope the twist is a twist on my

◼   ► twisted metal I want you know I was

◼   ► excited by that whole like what's gonna

◼   ► happen next and go here and do that but

◼   ► i cannot fend off the the sure knowledge

◼   ► having watched the season opens up this

◼   ► point of where this was going

◼   ► and it just it just went there and

◼   ► fizzled out to its and

◼   ► and the moral of the story is haha and

◼   ► and the whole time I'm watching it all I

◼   ► could think of was the blackmail sketch

◼   ► for Monty Python's Flying Circus and

◼   ► Michael Palin hosting a game show called

◼   ► blackmail which basically did this in

◼   ► about four and a half minutes it was

◼   ► much sharper and funnier did you I mean

◼   ► also he doesn't want to wear that for

◼   ► ruining Radiohead with child porn

◼   ► I you know not i'll get over it you can

◼   ► use you can use bad you know you can use

◼   ► music good music with bad stuff and I

◼   ► just the music will survive in the bad

◼   ► stuff will go away but but it is um yeah

◼   ► it out States welcome a lot and also for

◼   ► an insightful sort of social commentary

◼   ► and tech comment commentary thing I mean

◼   ► this episode is a little bit like guys

◼   ► guys did you know there are hackers and

◼   ► and and wait wait wait did you know

◼   ► there are text messages also trouble

◼   ► amazing there's also a troll face and we

◼   ► and also i don't know if anybody

◼   ► realized this but the they also get the

◼   ► GPS coordinates of everybody

◼   ► it's never that's never explain but yeah

◼   ► we have your computer but now we know

◼   ► where your phone is I don't think that

◼   ► actually makes any sense but ok uh what

◼   ► I'm saying is it it's tech satire is not

◼   ► particularly insightful other than that

◼   ► there are people out there on the

◼   ► internet who are jerks so fortune but

◼   ► even more i guess and much better

◼   ► organized unrealistically well-organized

◼   ► like the logistics of this are

◼   ► astronomical but the only thing about

◼   ► this and it's funny because there are

◼   ► two episodes that sort of address this

◼   ► at least that i think is interesting

◼   ► from a cultural standpoint is the idea

◼   ► as it turns out these people are all

◼   ► awful people and they've done terrible

◼   ► things our protagonist in this episode

◼   ► actually is the way they have on him is

◼   ► not that he was masturbating in front of

◼   ► its laptop it's that he's masturbating

◼   ► to child pornography in front of his

◼   ► laptop and uh you know I guess what it's

◼   ► trying to say is that the internet you

◼   ► know quill can destroy anyone and it and

◼   ► it can be bad people or good people but

◼   ► I mean it's a mess and not very good i

◼   ► think i'd also like to give a shoutout

◼   ► to jo steal for

◼   ► figuring out that twist five minutes in

◼   ► based on a single based on a single

◼   ► interaction with another person and I I

◼   ► completely missed that and I rewatched

◼   ► it and now that moment has a completely

◼   ► different meaning to me but kudos to

◼   ► John for actually figuring that out

◼   ► oh no Brian went down in the hole again

◼   ► Brian brain has his in your world but

◼   ► even more he went through them into the

◼   ► mirror world

◼   ► yeah wait did I do i Skype out yeah well

◼   ► you scrape by on your recording a song

◼   ► i'm sure all those will come through in

◼   ► the end that's all go together yet it is

◼   ► it brand in the mirror world now i'll

◼   ► send you coming on Blackie files again

◼   ► Jason come on

◼   ► anyway uh I mean the upside down and

◼   ► making Jason to these bits on this a bit

◼   ► alright well i'm not alone

◼   ► enough said about shut up and dance I

◼   ► think who shut up and move on

◼   ► alright let's move on can we got two

◼   ► more we should get to them very quickly

◼   ► and they're very different episodes very

◼   ► quickly very quickly men against fire is

◼   ► an episode where I figured out the

◼   ► shocking plot twist a minute in and then

◼   ► watched as it delighted in doing its

◼   ► razzle-dazzle magic trick for about 40

◼   ► minutes when I knew every step it was

◼   ► going to take and I didn't

◼   ► this is in my lower tier of my bottom

◼   ► for but i didn't put it all the way at

◼   ► the bottom because I appreciate the

◼   ► story it's trying to tell even as I

◼   ► figured out i mean literally got the

◼   ► entire thing in the first minute and

◼   ► knew exactly how the entire episode was

◼   ► going to go i appreciated some of the

◼   ► little bits in it in terms of style and

◼   ► the very very end although it lifts

◼   ► kinda from white Christmas honestly is

◼   ► an interesting ? sort of twist but you

◼   ► know this is this is about army people

◼   ► who are trying to root out a an

◼   ► infestation of monsters that they call

◼   ► roaches and they have a heads-up display

◼   ► basically in their eyes that allows them

◼   ► to get information about tactical stuff

◼   ► and the shocker is that what's really

◼   ► happening is the heads-up display

◼   ► tactical stuff is making people look

◼   ► like monsters because they are whoever

◼   ► they are whatever their reason whether

◼   ► they're gypsies or Jews or whatever or

◼   ► you know you name it a left-handed just

◼   ► yeah they could be left-handed

◼   ► left-handers that they had to agree with

◼   ► the butter side down they had to see

◼   ► that they are all identified uh in these

◼   ► displays and made to look like and sound

◼   ► like monsters so that it's easier for

◼   ► soldiers to kill them and not not feel

◼   ► bad about killing other human beings and

◼   ► one character has his system hacked and

◼   ► discovers that there are shockingly haha

◼   ► they're actually really really people

◼   ► and all this extermination talk to talk

◼   ► about destroying the the awfulness that

◼   ► they spread is just talking about that

◼   ► they want to wipe

◼   ► come out and commit genocide and I again

◼   ► a perfectly reasonable thing to do you

◼   ► know where we're against genocide

◼   ► murdering innocent people great but this

◼   ► is the one John where I said maybe i've

◼   ► read too much science fiction but good

◼   ► Lord that it was easy like you don't

◼   ► have to read any science fiction to get

◼   ► this and in fact that undercuts the

◼   ► whole idea because human beings do this

◼   ► without that time knowing that this is

◼   ► this is less grim than the reality so

◼   ► it's like home

◼   ► yeah it's like a smile games are

◼   ► dehumanizing our soldiers what if we

◼   ► made the actual were like a video game

◼   ► where they where they we turned the

◼   ► enemy into monsters

◼   ► yeah but like we don't need video games

◼   ► like genocide is yeah i know it happens

◼   ► you don't even like they just people for

◼   ► people who look exactly like that like

◼   ► you don't even look different you don't

◼   ► have to basically be left-handed like

◼   ► yeah we don't it is that I do not say

◼   ► that this whole gotta run wishes episode

◼   ► was so try out a grand and the execution

◼   ► was just like the only thing I liked

◼   ► about it was the idea that after you

◼   ► know that the it's like what if we don't

◼   ► erase your memories you'll know all the

◼   ► bad things you did and it's like to

◼   ► choose whether you want to do that or

◼   ► not just but even that you saw coming

◼   ► once you saw him in the shrinks office

◼   ► after going through all the stuff and

◼   ► it's Ned I I'm not angry this one like

◼   ► am angered the other ones this one falls

◼   ► into the same categories play test for

◼   ► me because it's like I know exactly what

◼   ► you're doing this episode you do it it's

◼   ► not that great

◼   ► done yeah yeah I mean GracePoint stop

◼   ► good

◼   ► no go ahead at this point I stopped

◼   ► watching critically because i was so

◼   ► worn out from watching everything else

◼   ► so I just kinda like this episode wash

◼   ► over me and I didn't know the twist

◼   ► until the end when it was actually

◼   ► revealed and even then when the twist

◼   ► like hit me at the exact perfect moment

◼   ► to show intended it to

◼   ► I was still just as underwhelmed

◼   ► everything else because we end with

◼   ► black mirror screaming and consequences

◼   ► for characters and yeah fun and whatever

◼   ► we're 15 minutes points and I rolling

◼   ► twist if you didn't see it coming you'd

◼   ► still roll your eyes at like I mean it's

◼   ► just so like John said it's it's so try

◼   ► it under it undercuts the reality of the

◼   ► situation does saying in order for this

◼   ► to happen they need to look like

◼   ► monsters to you with some sci-fi deck

◼   ► nope

◼   ► don't need that all well although I i do

◼   ► like the fact that the idea here is that

◼   ► they're not doing it so that they will

◼   ► kill them they're doing it so that they

◼   ► don't get PTSD and are more effective

◼   ► soldiers so whether they don't feel bad

◼   ► about it but like this thing is like we

◼   ► can't find enough people who who will

◼   ► either just blindly follow orders or be

◼   ► actually hate these people and in

◼   ► reality you can people who blindly

◼   ► follow orders and are actually hit

◼   ► because that girl here take that

◼   ► yeah yeah I mean we in terms of figuring

◼   ► out the twist and in the first minute

◼   ► welcome to my no I felt like you really

◼   ► it was yeah i mean probably read about

◼   ► me

◼   ► there's five seconds no it wasn't it was

◼   ► it pretty early on I knew where this was

◼   ► going to yeah I I but the thing with

◼   ► black mirrors the most hoping against I

◼   ► know right ok pricey was obvious

◼   ► maybe they'll change it and it's just us

◼   ► as you watch you slowly realize that it

◼   ► doesn't look at turning away

◼   ► no not gonna it's like nope they can

◼   ► avoid it now not there there's actually

◼   ► it sounds it's like I said they're a lot

◼   ► of the I mean almost every episode has

◼   ► something interesting about it there or

◼   ► occurred with an idea and and too often

◼   ► it just takes the most obvious direct

◼   ► way of doing it or the simplest way of

◼   ► telling the story and you know there

◼   ► could be interesting ways of doing this

◼   ► if this had been 22 minutes

◼   ► yeah it's still going to be lousy but

◼   ► it's over quickly and it doesn't give

◼   ► you time to think about headphones which

◼   ► is like the fifth season Twilight zones

◼   ► hello it's a clunker