Roderick on the Line

Ep. 233: "Babies are Boring"


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  hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

  whoa whoa well that complicated [TS]

  uh-huh really is going complicated at [TS]

  all [TS]

  hmm i am online shopping [TS]

  oh really what ya doing some online did [TS]

  some online shopping [TS]

  what do you give you see what I'm [TS]

  getting the system uh you know what [TS]

  we're good for right now my order a [TS]

  dingus for our plant that will tell us [TS]

  if it wants water or needs different [TS]

  light will tell you that video your [TS]

  phone does it have a nap [TS]

  mmm I don't think so i got the cheap [TS]

  model can you can you connect it to your [TS]

  nest so that it again i don't have a [TS]

  nest but if I did I probably could you [TS]

  know this is a wonderful time I a night [TS]

  out I gotta clock now I'm getting this [TS]

  is a pilot project i'm gonna try because [TS]

  as you know we we can have the kind of [TS]

  clock i would like where I would like it [TS]

  not going to get into that but i did [TS]

  find a very cool-looking clock it's an [TS]

  analog clock meeting it's got hands and [TS]

  it's got the radio signals so it sets [TS]

  itself [TS]

  oh it's a it's a is it is atomic is an [TS]

  atomic dog is an atomic it's an atomic [TS]

  technically an outdoor clock so you can [TS]

  put it in the bathtub is an atomic Punx [TS]

  atomic Punx yep atomic how that's a van [TS]

  Halen song Boing and it's got that [TS]

  temperature and humidity also analog on [TS]

  it's got a little hands likely our [TS]

  president and we're like a Tyrannosaurus [TS]

  Rex very much like the Tyrannosaurus Rex [TS]

  and and in so doing and I want to hear [TS]

  about your complication just give me [TS]

  some time to think about it I I know you [TS]

  love this phenomenon i discussed this [TS]

  with some friends on another show [TS]

  recently i love the thing when you go to [TS]

  amazon and you [TS]

  it has the section near the top of the [TS]

  page it's got a section called [TS]

  frequently bought together [TS]

  oh yes where you know it it lets you [TS]

  know you know if people bought this [TS]

  thing also also button so they sure did [TS]

  yeah in this case it suggests that [TS]

  people like to buy three clocks so 33 [TS]

  different clock 333 different clocks [TS]

  yeah yeah this is this is a funny [TS]

  phenomenon to me and that sometimes when [TS]

  you want to get a clock that says your [TS]

  people but this clock also about these [TS]

  other two clocks [TS]

  yes they did and i think--not maybe it's [TS]

  time to tune the algorithm a little bit [TS]

  when that happens [TS]

  yeah I see that to a lot where where you [TS]

  are where the frequently bought things [TS]

  frequently brought together could not at [TS]

  no one ever would have bought those [TS]

  things together right i mean it seems [TS]

  like something you would catch like [TS]

  where you go like people who bought this [TS]

  washer dryer set also bought these other [TS]

  two washer/dryer secondly no I icic why [TS]

  you think that but that's not that's a [TS]

  thing honey honey I'm gonna buy three of [TS]

  these and we'll just send back the ones [TS]

  we don't like no so there-there [TS]

  algorithm must be saying people were [TS]

  shopping for these three things [TS]

  yeah I I've noticed a lot of emails now [TS]

  from companies that i have gone to look [TS]

  at something and then yeah right there [TS]

  very panicky about it looks like you [TS]

  left something in your cart [TS]

  yeah oh my goodness you know if you [TS]

  don't get that uh oh you won't have it [TS]

  you said you were interested in this [TS]

  hard drive but someone is everything [TS]

  okay is it me do we need to talk [TS]

  yeah yeah a lot of needy very needy very [TS]

  needy and and I am I feel you know how I [TS]

  so I'm in a minute situation now where [TS]

  every part of every part of my existence [TS]

  both in california and here in Seattle [TS]

  is starting to be governed by looking at [TS]

  real estate what everybody's looking at [TS]

  real estate [TS]

  yeah alright real estate real estate [TS]

  real estate ok and and I long lived in a [TS]

  culture where I would periodically go on [TS]

  zillow and kind of search around the the [TS]

  area see what's up see what's going on [TS]

  ya see some houses that are for sale [TS]

  what the what the what the going rate is [TS]

  have a good friend like my good friend [TS]

  Chadwick that's not really his name but [TS]

  sounds like a made-up name [TS]

  chadwick ya fella named an AI Chadwick [TS]

  said with [TS]

  haha ok quick Chadwick place cinnamon by [TS]

  the long winters down now [TS]

  down down down down down now no no what [TS]

  is inexplicable I make each a quick [TS]

  Chadwick Chadli let's go on chatter [TS]

  chatterley alright chatter ssin hmm no [TS]

  he here in Seattle he likes to go look [TS]

  at property and periodically hill by how [TS]

  so just fucking go up straight up and [TS]

  buy a house he owns a flight for houses [TS]

  people get money for these things [TS]

  well it's you know you've got BCI be [TS]

  savvy he buys these houses that are [TS]

  better that he can't because he looks at [TS]

  him all the time he's like this house is [TS]

  underpriced for the value but he also [TS]

  has a strong aesthetic right so he [TS]

  doesn't buy houses that he doesn't like [TS]

  he's never bought a house where he was [TS]

  he didn't have a personal smart let me [TS]

  tell you by if your personal buy stocks [TS]

  it by stocking products that you believe [TS]

  in using enjoy exactly but don't buy [TS]

  stock in things that you think are [TS]

  terrible things about Warren Buffett [TS]

  says that I think oh boy I bet he does [TS]

  hmm i bet Warren Buffett says the shit [TS]

  out of that Warren Buffett says you [TS]

  should buy things when they're not [TS]

  costly and then sell them when they're [TS]

  more costly stop the presses [TS]

  yeah he's got a whole book about it Shh [TS]

  little dog she's nasty [TS]

  this is what I've been doing wrong i [TS]

  haven't been savvy mhm you know so [TS]

  chatter 7chad workmen denson he said [TS]

  workman's and he went with the thing he [TS]

  likes to do is get in his truck and [TS]

  drive around and look at stuff that's [TS]

  like number one thing he likes to do and [TS]

  the things he likes to look at our [TS]

  properties and it's not just that he's [TS]

  scoping them to buy them [TS]

  he just like to look at other people's [TS]

  properties to you know he just look at [TS]

  all the time that's one of the things he [TS]

  likes to look at I admire frankly it's [TS]

  like a real estate stalker [TS]

  well just like yeah just wants to see [TS]

  other people's compounds you want to see [TS]

  what's going on ok IC xagliv enthusiast [TS]

  yeah there's no I he astonishes me [TS]

  because there's no Road in all of King [TS]

  County that I by I would doubt for a [TS]

  second that chad has been up you know [TS]

  we'll get you drive somewhere way out in [TS]

  the country with me like you know what's [TS]

  up that road egos are there's a little [TS]

  and you're like you've been up that road [TS]

  yeah yes but so II be periodically as [TS]

  he's driving around you'll see a house [TS]

  like I liked that house and he's not a [TS]

  rich guy but he's just savvy enough that [TS]

  he knows how to put together a [TS]

  downpayment me knows how to figure out [TS]

  this matt and he puts it and he's you [TS]

  know he's handy enough that he can kind [TS]

  of get the house in shape it's not like [TS]

  he is not you put a new roof on it but [TS]

  nearly goes in there and he fixes it up [TS]

  and coat of paint on it but because he [TS]

  likes it that work doesn't seem not so [TS]

  owners it's not like he's he's going [TS]

  around flipping like garbage houses who [TS]

  and he's just now is this blaze this guy [TS]

  my age has got this strange little [TS]

  portfolio of four cute little shingled [TS]

  bungalows around the city you go [TS]

  ok but what have I been doing with my [TS]

  life yeah I could see that you know i'm [TS]

  sitting around i got like 14 guitars [TS]

  what the hell do they do i mean i like [TS]

  them but yeah they don't generate and [TS]

  make you healthy gonna pull a thread on [TS]

  that sweater too hard [TS]

  mm you know heard a lot of what you do [TS]

  right was yeah anyway I was at an open [TS]

  house the other day and it was one of [TS]

  those open houses i don't know how many [TS]

  open houses you go to but there are some [TS]

  open houses where the realtor res really [TS]

  dressed the place up all there's a thing [TS]

  called staging la stage-by-stage okay [TS]

  you make chocolate chip cookie so it [TS]

  smells like cookies mmm what house [TS]

  wouldn't you if you made in the morning [TS]

  you make cookies and then right before [TS]

  you open the house up you make fried [TS]

  chicken [TS]

  oh that's such a good idea yeah and then [TS]

  everybody's like aha whatever it costs [TS]

  they might bring like a fried chicken [TS]

  candle just just because it would be [TS]

  funny you know we all suffer from this [TS]

  thing where like we like this solve the [TS]

  problem that we understand everybody is [TS]

  like your real estate agent wasn't very [TS]

  good but you like to cook it and you're [TS]

  open houses just turn the place [TS]

  upside-down it was like Thanksgiving [TS]

  dessert so tell me more about the guest [TS]

  bath hang on hang on man I don't end up [TS]

  sometime if you're there with your apron [TS]

  on yes wiping your beer sweated brow [TS]

  erotic I've been to back in the day I [TS]

  went to a lot of open houses because my [TS]

  mother was a real estate agent oh of [TS]

  course [TS]

  wars and so I did this release the [TS]

  pre-staging days now [TS]

  my understanding is today if you're [TS]

  doing this and I want to get back to [TS]

  your story and your complication [TS]

  my understanding is you can have [TS]

  services that will come in they'll even [TS]

  bring in furniture but it needs to look [TS]

  like a place that somebody would want to [TS]

  live you can get some throw pillows [TS]

  right you can get some fried chicken and [TS]

  you could have a you know you might have [TS]

  a make it look like a child who's happy [TS]

  lives there [TS]

  yes this is all true a with the caveat [TS]

  that apparently and I've been we've been [TS]

  over this many times and I sit still [TS]

  astonishes me because I meet a lot of [TS]

  nice people you know you know what I [TS]

  mean yes like I got into a I got into a [TS]

  cab this morning because my truck blew [TS]

  up [TS]

  mm that's kind of the complication oh [TS]

  well it's just one of many complications [TS]

  Merlin every every day you know [TS]

  am i right yeah you are right so i get [TS]

  into the cab and that and I start [TS]

  talking to the driver as you do and he's [TS]

  from Senegal and I said what time to [TS]

  start this morning at 4am I said for [TS]

  a.m. that's early and he said yeah but i [TS]

  have to get you know I live in everett [TS]

  which is a completely different town [TS]

  from here to a no and a fairly long [TS]

  drive and an unpleasant one and he said [TS]

  yeah I gotta get back to the house by [TS]

  noon because my wife starts working at [TS]

  her job at one and i have to care for [TS]

  our five month old [TS]

  oh my god and then she gets off work at [TS]

  11 and then I get the four hours of [TS]

  sleep between 11 and 4 and then I start [TS]

  the uber for the cab driving i'm not [TS]

  complicated and I said you know not to [TS]

  get all up in your business but that [TS]

  seems unsustainable and he said it [TS]

  really is i said 'what's you what you [TS]

  what's your long-term plan here you [TS]

  can't keep doing this can't live like [TS]

  this and he said I think i'm gonna go [TS]

  back to Center call you know how I was a [TS]

  civil engineer in Senegal and and I just [TS]

  you know I got knows my folks are here I [TS]

  got a support network and frankly babies [TS]

  are boring i don't want to surround the [TS]

  baby all day and I was like you are [TS]

  talking my language now babies are [TS]

  boring [TS]

  that's candid and we're driving along [TS]

  and baba d'you know HIPAA grip and and [TS]

  I'm like like this guy like there's no [TS]

  the number of people i meet in a typical [TS]

  day which is you know between five and [TS]

  fifty for the most part I like them all [TS]

  they're all you know so this guy that [TS]

  normally in a situation like that I it [TS]

  in a conversation like that where [TS]

  somebody tells me to this happens to me [TS]

  all the time i'm going back to Senegal [TS]

  and I'm like really you're going back to [TS]

  Senegal because I you know I i believe [TS]

  in America [TS]

  yes and I believe it i'm leaving us [TS]

  you raised your daughter that's right i [TS]

  believe in America as a place where [TS]

  someone from Senegal can come and with a [TS]

  little hard work and ingenuity and [TS]

  American stick to it we can plant a flag [TS]

  gear and then look what happens season [TS]

  ended a sentence suspended sentence you [TS]

  believe in America I do and so typically [TS]

  in a situation like that i am always I [TS]

  immediately go and this is you know this [TS]

  is why I'm spy I a lot of cab drivers [TS]

  will take me home for dinner with their [TS]

  family because we get into a [TS]

  conversation and they're like listen I [TS]

  don't want to drop you off clean we come [TS]

  back and talk to my wife and tell her [TS]

  about this America that you keep telling [TS]

  me about yes and so I would always I'd [TS]

  always be like well hey you know like [TS]

  let's strategize for a second here [TS]

  before this cab ride is over and see [TS]

  like what we can do to to do to make [TS]

  your life more sustainable and and and [TS]

  get you to double-down whatever I need [TS]

  to do to put you in this country today [TS]

  yeah how do i how do i get you into the [TS]

  driver's seat of America [TS]

  mm-hmm but talking to him and listening [TS]

  to him i was like he and I see where [TS]

  you're at [TS]

  I see where you're coming from and he [TS]

  said I'm at and I you know I made a [TS]

  little reference to the yeah the whole [TS]

  thing the current situation he was like [TS]

  you know my wife was born here she [TS]

  senegalese but she was born here I'm a [TS]

  US citizen like I'm none of this [TS]

  hullabaloo that's happening really [TS]

  affects me at all [TS]

  hmm it's just and also i'm from Senegal [TS]

  i'm not from [TS]

  you know some other random country that [TS]

  country like Syria have another bad [TS]

  country [TS]

  yeah but he said I just you know I i'm [TS]

  working all the time and he said that's [TS]

  what I mean you know like II and and [TS]

  we're having one of those conversations [TS]

  there's a lot of like yeah yeah he's [TS]

  like I'm a man and I'm like yeah he said [TS]

  I'm you know I should be a work i should [TS]

  be doing hard work and I was like oh [TS]

  yeah he said I'm an engineer civil [TS]

  engineer [TS]

  yes god damn yes and and so he's even [TS]

  though he's like I don't want to [TS]

  surround the baby if i go back to [TS]

  Senegal got my family I got everybody [TS]

  there and I was like listen you know I I [TS]

  just met you but seems to me going back [TS]

  to senegal is not the worst plan you [TS]

  ever had [TS]

  mhm and and he's like yeah you know I [TS]

  mean it's nice here I've been here 10 [TS]

  years and I said what about France to [TS]

  direct the Senegalese and France have a [TS]

  like a reciprocal you guys are like [TS]

  friend countries or Senate call was I [TS]

  mean I guess when you talk about a [TS]

  post-colonial relationship I guess you [TS]

  don't say friend country public [TS]

  complicated it's a little complicated [TS]

  yeah it's not exactly like it's not like [TS]

  friend cities or whatever like swapping [TS]

  t-shirts in eighth grade it yeah right [TS]

  it's like oh I mean I happen to know [TS]

  that in Senegal like in Morocco like in [TS]

  some countries with a former colonial [TS]

  relationship with France that the [TS]

  language of business there is friend [TS]

  mean you know if you're going to do [TS]

  you're going down to a government office [TS]

  you're going to be speaking French I [TS]

  said wouldn't you [TS]

  what about pair what about Paris what [TS]

  about what about the front would you go [TS]

  to brunch and he did that what i have [TS]

  come to find is the typical african [TS]

  answer to that question which is no ID [TS]

  no i do not want to go to France was [TS]

  like mm tip of the hat to you it sounds [TS]

  like senegal maybe in your future again [TS]

  he seems very focused [TS]

  it sounds like he knows what he wants in [TS]

  life well this is the thing you know [TS]

  this is the American dream this is why [TS]

  I'm always when I meet somebody like [TS]

  that I'm like double down on America [TS]

  come on like you're the you are the [TS]

  exact the the whole fact that you're [TS]

  here and not in Senegal [TS]

  is what makes you like that type of [TS]

  American that they know that makes [TS]

  America great once once and future [TS]

  yeah but but yeah in this way to lose [TS]

  weight to lose a fella you know we're at [TS]

  some point we have the rapper and will [TS]

  close the deal with the Senegalese man [TS]

  and you hate the idea that for whatever [TS]

  reason it's not working out you'd like [TS]

  to think we can save this relationships [TS]

  like that's exactly right Mike listen [TS]

  you're living in everett you're driving [TS]

  a cab from five over four o'clock in the [TS]

  morning every day you got a [TS]

  five-month-old baby I know that babies [TS]

  are boring don't want to be there [TS]

  what I had a baby I had a I had my mom [TS]

  there and he was like ahhhhh see I was [TS]

  like I know right [TS]

  you get your mom there and you're like [TS]

  hey this baby's born I'm gonna go wash [TS]

  the car was this ride [TS]

  well you know I mean we got a lot done [TS]

  in a in a cab ride because I'm not [TS]

  somebody that I don't sit in the back of [TS]

  the cabin look at my phone [TS]

  you know you know you get a chance to [TS]

  talk to somebody [TS]

  this is that this is the reason that [TS]

  people don't believe that i'm an [TS]

  introvert is that if i get in the back [TS]

  of a cab is the reason [TS]

  yeah if I can i get into the back of the [TS]

  cab and I've got someone you know who's [TS]

  basically trapped there with me and they [TS]

  have a story they can tell me about [TS]

  themselves [TS]

  it's the perfect it's the perfect [TS]

  climate right because this cab ride is [TS]

  going to last 15 to 20 minutes and so [TS]

  there's nothing we're never going to get [TS]

  into a situation where I they're never [TS]

  unless they're crazy person they're not [TS]

  going to start talking to me about what [TS]

  they're feeling about a flat taxes [TS]

  well you know there's an intuit yeah you [TS]

  know it's guys got a finite it's got a [TS]

  beginning is kinda and that's a nice [TS]

  feeling and I know how to interview a [TS]

  guy right mean I know how to say where [TS]

  you from and then not drop the ball [TS]

  because I know where places are so he [TS]

  said senator and I go oh you ever go to [TS]

  Burkina Faso and he's like I went to [TS]

  college there and then you know we're [TS]

  off to the races and I learned something [TS]

  I learned learn about a guy learn about [TS]

  his problem i learn about is his [TS]

  five-month-old his wife so there's the [TS]

  thing [TS]

  his wife was home with the baby and he [TS]

  was working two jobs before and he was [TS]

  like that was fine i like working two [TS]

  jobs but then after the baby's a few [TS]

  months old my wife comes to me and says [TS]

  I can't stand this [TS]

  I'm drug going crazy i want to go back [TS]

  to work this baby is driving me crazy [TS]

  and this baby is not a bad baby they're [TS]

  just normal maybe speaker boring babies [TS]

  are crazy making if you have to just sit [TS]

  there and stare at it all day [TS]

  you can't even go wash the car got a lot [TS]

  to say about this and so you know [TS]

  there's a lot of pressure on women to [TS]

  not even show a crack right you're [TS]

  supposed to take care of all this stuff [TS]

  i don't want to make this political by [TS]

  actually care about women and let's get [TS]

  is pretty crazy that like they're [TS]

  expected to take care of all of that to [TS]

  not be bored and to not be frustrated [TS]

  that they can't just have a glass of [TS]

  wine like a person anymore [TS]

  yeah and that whole business of that [TS]

  whole business gets put on them up like [TS]

  well you're a woman this is what you're [TS]

  made to do you you love love this love [TS]

  this little baby so his wife obviously [TS]

  is a like to get going kind of gal and [TS]

  she's like I can't stand stay home all [TS]

  day staring at this baby i'm going to go [TS]

  back to work at my job and he's like oh [TS]

  ok yeah I guess I'm the baby was on the [TS]

  other foot now i guess i'm working from [TS]

  for a.m. to noon and then I'm sitting [TS]

  here staring at this baby to that's Mike [TS]

  that's the game like me up so yeah by [TS]

  the time I got out of the car i think we [TS]

  had agreed that it was at least a good [TS]

  tentative plan to go back to Senegal for [TS]

  a year or two and my sense is that if he [TS]

  goes back to Senegal for a year to he's [TS]

  going to want to stay his wife for [TS]

  unclear unclear whether she can keep I [TS]

  think you'll go back there and he'll [TS]

  feel like he's he's hit he can find a [TS]

  valid existence for himself [TS]

  I'm not sure how she's going to get a [TS]

  sense of the country of origin of the [TS]

  boring baby was the baby born in the US [TS]

  yes now that's an interesting wrinkle [TS]

  right there yes but so was his wife [TS]

  mmm [TS]

  hmm oh wait she's America's American [TS]

  well but she senegalese but she was born [TS]

  in America interesting how did they meet [TS]

  well she was born in America but then [TS]

  they went back to her family went back [TS]

  to Senegal when she was a little kid so [TS]

  she grew up in central huh [TS]

  but a so and that's where they met but [TS]

  she had the option of going back to [TS]

  America for college which she wanted to [TS]

  do and she said listen I want to go to [TS]

  college for a couple years in America [TS]

  and he was like i'll go with you [TS]

  mhm and then fast forward 10 long years [TS]

  later and he's still here in diesel and [TS]

  he says you know as you do he says time [TS]

  flies and I was like yeah time does fly [TS]

  my there's anything that time does its [TS]

  flying it flies and flies and flies and [TS]

  flies so uh so yeah what can you say I [TS]

  mean yeah it's a you know the thing [TS]

  about senegal it's nice there [TS]

  it's nicer it's got a beach it's got you [TS]

  know dude I don't know anything about [TS]

  senegal I think they might make coffee [TS]

  but I don't know anything about senegal [TS]

  do you know about the parents to dakar [TS]

  overlaid car race i do not so there's a [TS]

  new car because we're favorite Chris [TS]

  doctrine is a he's billeted sure that's [TS]

  where yeah that's where the card wars [TS]

  but otherwise she's always that right i [TS]

  used to get your car noir ok I had some [TS]

  money from being a busboy and I went to [TS]

  the mall in tampa and i bought a big-ass [TS]

  thing of your car noir and a white Miami [TS]

  Vice jacket [TS]

  you did the same day changed everything [TS]

  no no you're telling me because you and [TS]

  I are about the same age you're close [TS]

  enough they as we get older we're much [TS]

  closer [TS]

  yeah you've got you've got the edge on [TS]

  me a little bit sure do but you decided [TS]

  at some point during that time that you [TS]

  were just going to you're going to cast [TS]

  your dice with the Miami Vice [TS]

  I cast my dyson and advice I did you [TS]

  forget that show was slotted for a while [TS]

  well and you were damn you at least one [TS]

  to college down there but this I'm [TS]

  guessing this and apply Miami but i [TS]

  watch TV at NBC like I like a normal [TS]

  person [TS]

  and you know i was graduating to a more [TS]

  sophisticated sent this is a pre ralph [TS]

  lauren polo for me but post like you [TS]

  know dad's Aramus well what about [TS]

  grandpa's hai karate [TS]

  what about ck one ck the general fall [TS]

  for ck1 know so the k1 my sense of ck [TS]

  was helping clients right right was that [TS]

  ck one was one of the first unisex [TS]

  fragrance and the second look this up [TS]

  because I had a girlfriend has kept its [TS]

  calvin klein for ladies the one that's [TS]

  real like spicy I I think calvin klein [TS]

  one because you know you get you imprint [TS]

  do you can print on certain sense [TS]

  yep don't you think i'm afraid that i [TS]

  imprinted pretty heavily on obsession [TS]

  that's the one that's what i meant [TS]

  comment yes it's the orange one [TS]

  yes my first college girlfriend uses use [TS]

  the the Calvin Klein obsession and that [TS]

  will always be that smell to me now a [TS]

  girl that I wanted to go out with use it [TS]

  was a lorry basler it wasn't no Laurie [TS]

  bachelor by that point had already died [TS]

  no it was a girl in college that I [TS]

  didn't not the redhead a doctor when we [TS]

  don't mention no no it's not her [TS]

  no this was all the way into college by [TS]

  now but it was a girl who went to my [TS]

  high school who then went to the same [TS]

  college as me and during high school we [TS]

  had flirted a lot and hard but we had [TS]

  never put it together and we've never [TS]

  put ourselves together and part of it [TS]

  was that I was a late bloomer and part [TS]

  of it was that she was a very unusual [TS]

  girl like an unusual girl who had the [TS]

  Calvin Klein obsession [TS]

  yeah do you remember the character in [TS]

  The Breakfast Club who put 40 sugars in [TS]

  her pop is ali sheedi i'm guessing you [TS]

  remember there weren't that many [TS]

  characters in talking about process of [TS]

  elimination I could get it down either [TS]

  ally sheedy or your your your paramour [TS]

  in response to your tweet she [TS]

  still not responding to your tweets but [TS]

  she's lost my ring world has never [TS]

  responded i've got i've got i've given [TS]

  it a little bit of a rest are you doing [TS]

  any better with jane wiedlin no no in [TS]

  fact I thought she came up in [TS]

  conversation of the day I thought about [TS]

  Jane know I kind of got you know I I [TS]

  figured ultimately I had a really good [TS]

  I really good exchange and and now kind [TS]

  of a kind of a little bit of an Internet [TS]

  I can't really say friendship but uh you [TS]

  know an Internet collision I like just [TS]

  internet home slices with Martha Quinn [TS]

  mm little bit of back and forth with [TS]

  Martha could really use that 92 boy I [TS]

  sure could but but in 2015 [TS]

  I i have enough enough back and forth [TS]

  with Martha Quinn that I felt like you [TS]

  know i'm doing ok yeah but Jane Wiedlin [TS]

  no never I mean maybe she replied to me [TS]

  one time Molly Ringwald has never [TS]

  acknowledged my existence and I was [TS]

  following Molly Ringwald really early we [TS]

  saw it before it was cool yeah when she [TS]

  had like fifteen hundred followers i was [TS]

  like first of all day i have more [TS]

  followers the molly ringwald and B yeah [TS]

  you know what I'm gonna help her here [TS]

  i'm gonna help i'm gonna help her this [TS]

  is the kind of an idea as an American [TS]

  you you know I think she's mostly French [TS]

  these days if my serves so younger out [TS]

  there and you're saying you know [TS]

  Bienvenu although she's back now she's [TS]

  back in America that whole French thing [TS]

  was was an interlude aunjanue yeah she's [TS]

  a that's right she's now in it I think [TS]

  she's pretty much back which is in New [TS]

  York yeah New York that's my sense is my [TS]

  weekend I got retweeted a KD Lang and [TS]

  neko case that's not really that is nice [TS]

  I don't want a little the political this [TS]

  weekend I didn't so great about her rack [TS]

  up some big numbers but I don't feel [TS]

  great about it doesn't usually happen [TS]

  with you [TS]

  I neko case the word on the street and [TS]

  pretty reliable word on the street is [TS]

  that needle case doesn't like me very [TS]

  much [TS]

  oh she seems like she has strong [TS]

  opinions and you know engender if I [TS]

  could use the word you and gender strong [TS]

  opinions and people ya know you've [TS]

  always been like this it's a lot like a [TS]

  scent it's a lot like a Calvin Klein [TS]

  obsession one that you can see people [TS]

  have very strong reactions and these [TS]

  things and hopefully I hopefully they [TS]

  imprint on me quite quite often but not [TS]

  getting stuck [TS]

  yeah in this case she and printed on me [TS]

  in a way that she was like I don't like [TS]

  that guy just too bad how did they say [TS]

  that in Africa [TS]

  Oh Jenna sais quoi ya nah know but spit [TS]

  don't get on the ground in Africa that's [TS]

  not nobody's gonna like the house [TS]

  arbitrary please don't shake somebody's [TS]

  hand on your left hand to this day I [TS]

  don't like when somebody hands me the [TS]

  left-hand i think it's i think it's [TS]

  problematic as people say no and [TS]

  somebody let well online and especially [TS]

  for going to do that little like like [TS]

  like you're like a French King thing we [TS]

  just kind of pull your fingers out like [TS]

  you want your ring kissed but you never [TS]

  know you never know who's bob dold oh no [TS]

  that I'm open to that if I see something [TS]

  you know I say something yeah i would [TS]

  like to teach an online course in how to [TS]

  shake hands I would like to really help [TS]

  these millenniums understand how [TS]

  important it is to know how to shake [TS]

  someone's hand well but we can get back [TS]

  to that so you're dating Ali she d's [TS]

  avatar she's putting she's got Calvin [TS]

  Klein's obsession and she's putting lots [TS]

  of sugar and a pepsi well I wasn't [TS]

  dating or I was change so sorry let me [TS]

  check that ok and see was to chasing me [TS]

  at your house hunting her but she used [TS]

  so much obsession i think it's that [TS]

  likely like Ralph Lorenz polo for men I [TS]

  think you very quickly become for more [TS]

  or patchouli you become a nerd too how [TS]

  much you actually have on a given it's [TS]

  ignorance is it is absolutely endurance [TS]

  yeah and that's what happened with her [TS]

  so much so that it was like on me but [TS]

  also like in my it was just in my every [TS]

  it was in every pore and I couldn't [TS]

  shake it off it without me and jovan [TS]

  musk with one girl in eighth grade and I [TS]

  was stupefied by the way this woman [TS]

  smelt it was it laid me low [TS]

  she had worn a shirt of mine i think at [TS]

  one point and still smelled like that [TS]

  and like I want to put in like a Donald [TS]

  Trump case like I was like I want this [TS]

  smell to always be here [TS]

  I wanted to put it into a Donald Trump [TS]

  case is not a reference that I got oh [TS]

  you know like when it comes out to speak [TS]

  he's got his props like you have a red [TS]

  hat in a Plexiglas case and things like [TS]

  that [TS]

  I guess I i guess i didn't follow him [TS]

  that close it's been really hard few [TS]

  months John yeah i get it i know and i [TS]

  think we should you know what we should [TS]

  give ourselves a phony award for being [TS]

  so good about not talking about politics [TS]

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  Roderick on the line and all the great [TS]

  shows so I was at this house opening [TS]

  this a little bit house in the open [TS]

  house inning and two interesting things [TS]

  happened what they were there was a [TS]

  partnership of two real estate agents [TS]

  and I was trying to decide if they were [TS]

  a romantic partnerships who would have [TS]

  to always wonder ya doing real estate [TS]

  together whether this was just [TS]

  completely a partnership but i think a [TS]

  lot of those relationships start with a [TS]

  professional partnership and pretty soon [TS]

  it's a fucking key party that's my guess [TS]

  they were working pretty closely [TS]

  together one of them was a man my age or [TS]

  liberals we are my age or a little older [TS]

  who from India em who was very you know [TS]

  very like suave and he kept saying [TS]

  things like you know one of the one of [TS]

  the ways that we conduct our business [TS]

  like one of our fundamental tenants of [TS]

  our business relationship is that we are [TS]

  very low pressure no pressure at all [TS]

  so if you'll just sign into this ipad [TS]

  app that we have and and you know and [TS]

  here's my business card and take also [TS]

  here's like my wallet I want you to hold [TS]

  it for me for a while yes I'll come find [TS]

  you later when i need it and I was like [TS]

  hey I'm just walking through here I'm [TS]

  not gonna I'm not looking to buy a house [TS]

  that's not gonna touch and ipad I'm just [TS]

  yeah I'm not good not only am I not [TS]

  touching an ipad like i'm not even [TS]

  putting my fingerprints on the doorknob [TS]

  so just to keep myself you know what my [TS]

  daughter and my office I'm not here I'm [TS]

  never here I'm not here right now [TS]

  that's what I'd say to the Indian man i [TS]

  would say with all due respect i would [TS]

  say i'm not here [TS]

  listen you're not seeing me I'm not here [TS]

  I'm not holding your wallet I don't even [TS]

  know what's going on I don't know I [TS]

  don't know what's happening but I'm [TS]

  definitely gonna touch and ipad and I'm [TS]

  so not here [TS]

  yeah so that's what was happening with [TS]

  him the other guy had a sort of the [TS]

  other guy the other guy was sort of a [TS]

  pale stocky shaved head [TS]

  mmm sort of like a job he looked well he [TS]

  wasn't like that [TS]

  stocky but he was like a fraternity guy [TS]

  also not quite my age but you know a [TS]

  little bit younger somebody in his late [TS]

  thirties early forties booth and so I so [TS]

  and not miss the second guy not really [TS]

  in possession of any suavity whatsoever [TS]

  and I was so i was trying to put them [TS]

  together and I know that like opposites [TS]

  attract but this was this was very they [TS]

  were very far apart on the on the swab [TS]

  scale so I'm talking saw the one the one [TS]

  guy is is given me the hard sell about [TS]

  how he never give somebody the hard sell [TS]

  the other guys super nice the the friday [TS]

  one super nice super chill and as we're [TS]

  leaving their actually walking down this [TS]

  the front steps of the house with me [TS]

  that I'm trying to shake him off a [TS]

  little bit like okay well this was great [TS]

  really great to meet you i love the way [TS]

  you guys like set up a house and I'm got [TS]

  here now I'm not like already down the [TS]

  block and they're just kind of coming [TS]

  with me [TS]

  I don't know how far we're going no no I [TS]

  don't know where they're getting in the [TS]

  car with me or not and the and the frat [TS]

  guy says yeah well ever since I was shot [TS]

  in Afghanistan it's always a little bit [TS]

  harder for me to get down this [TS]

  and I was like so I stopped at that [TS]

  point and took about three steps back [TS]

  toward him like I wasn't leaving now and [TS]

  I was like really know you that didn't [TS]

  read as a bit [TS]

  oh well I didn't care if you if you I [TS]

  mean it doesn't always pulling out the [TS]

  Afghanistan car he sure is and but if [TS]

  somebody's gonna pull out the shot in [TS]

  Afghanistan card [TS]

  I'm yeah they're right so i went off in [TS]

  that stack sure did I got back up to [TS]

  where the touch the toe of my shoe was [TS]

  within a shoe length of the toe of his [TS]

  shoe [TS]

  uh-huh and I said tell me we're not [TS]

  getting shot in Afghanistan and he was [TS]

  like well it [TS]

  yeah it really so we it was a long rehab [TS]

  and I said it affected your balance like [TS]

  did you get shot in the spine and he [TS]

  turns around he said no the bullet went [TS]

  in here and he points to behind his ear [TS]

  yeah oh god and it came out here any [TS]

  points to the other side of his head up [TS]

  his temple [TS]

  what and I was like I'm what so he's a [TS]

  medical anomaly [TS]

  yeah how did that how could that not [TS]

  just had to put her and I said it so it [TS]

  went through your abdominal oh yeah blah [TS]

  blah blahblah yeah and he said you know [TS]

  just just missed it and I said uh-uh [TS]

  what kind of rehab was did you lose [TS]

  cognitive ability and he said a little [TS]

  bit of memory issues but I had to learn [TS]

  to walk again and i'm still a little bit [TS]

  you know unstable and he's very you know [TS]

  he if if you got a bullet all the way [TS]

  through you like that huh yeah i would [TS]

  talk about it to you know I would find a [TS]

  way to prepare to bring that into [TS]

  conversation because that's pretty and [TS]

  so and you can see the wounds in his [TS]

  head which have healed on God and he's [TS]

  like you know and I grew up in this [TS]

  neighborhood and I lived three blocks [TS]

  away and now i'm selling real estate [TS]

  here and it and the you know the indian [TS]

  guy is like yep and I'm uh you know I've [TS]

  been a real estate agent for 30 years so [TS]

  are our expertise really combines and I [TS]

  said listen I didn't want to buy a house [TS]

  before but now I do [TS]

  hmm i want to buy a house from you [TS]

  because you seem like a good guy to keep [TS]

  around [TS]

  yeah like holy cannolis you know and so [TS]

  then you know then it's like I might as [TS]

  well have been in a cab with him because [TS]

  all I wanted to do was stand there and [TS]

  talk to him about this experience [TS]

  meaning how do you mean that feels when [TS]

  he pulls out that story I think he [TS]

  thinks it's great because hmm i was so [TS]

  close to sign into that ipad if he had [TS]

  said listen if you want to keep talking [TS]

  to him you gotta sign in the ipad i [TS]

  would kind of tough choice to make [TS]

  yeah they didn't you know he didn't like [TS]

  but but he this was the reason that I [TS]

  thought maybe they're in a relationship [TS]

  because he was you know he seemed kinda [TS]

  proud of his partner proud of the story [TS]

  like he hadn't heard it enough times it [TS]

  was it wasn't that that's lovely [TS]

  yeah every time was new again because [TS]

  you don't there's no way you could [TS]

  contemplate that enough times like I [TS]

  believe by his by his main by his [TS]

  general main that that this man was an [TS]

  officer in the in what I had to assume [TS]

  that was the military and I was so [TS]

  focused on his injury that I did not do [TS]

  the normal thing which is what branch of [TS]

  service where you what rank were you [TS]

  what was your job what was your you know [TS]

  I didn't get into that because it seemed [TS]

  to me he's not stealing valor [TS]

  well I knew that I unless this was a [TS]

  wound that he received working on the [TS]

  railroad and I feel like that's a hard [TS]

  one to two just like drum up like you [TS]

  sitting in the bar like I was a Navy [TS]

  SEAL really yeah actually you with I got [TS]

  shot in the back of the head [TS]

  yeah show me your challenge coin figure [TS]

  but it seemed at that moment it seemed [TS]

  even small to ask what branch of the [TS]

  service he was in you know like someone [TS]

  somebody starts telling a story like [TS]

  that you either gotta leave the [TS]

  situation if you're going to stay you [TS]

  gotta just get out of the way [TS]

  sure right because you're not going to [TS]

  say it like backtrack and say okay [TS]

  alright let's set the scene like where [TS]

  did you [TS]

  go to college which is normally how if [TS]

  somebody jumps into a thing I'm iri hold [TS]

  on hold on hold on let me get situated [TS]

  yeah there's a couple of things I need [TS]

  to know where did you grow up and how [TS]

  did you get where [TS]

  how did you get to the beginning of the [TS]

  story but I didn't care you know this [TS]

  was just a thing where the recovery from [TS]

  this injury given i knew that i will I [TS]

  wasn't gonna spend all day here the [TS]

  recovery from the injury was what was [TS]

  interesting about this story and how he [TS]

  got how you got shot in the back of the [TS]

  head seems like it but we'll get to that [TS]

  in the course of our friendship as yet [TS]

  in your capacity as my new real estate [TS]

  agents because i'm buying a house in [TS]

  this neighborhood i don't know how i [TS]

  don't i don't know how to find the money [TS]

  I don't even want to live here [TS]

  yeah but I just wanted I want to have [TS]

  you over for breakfast so I never I [TS]

  didn't find out enough about that story [TS]

  that i can see that i can retell it as a [TS]

  as a like a like a good thing where [TS]

  where I have where I have the whole [TS]

  story altogether but I'm gonna I think [TS]

  I'm gonna I'm gonna go track him down [TS]

  because there's just there's no you're [TS]

  gonna go you're gonna give another throw [TS]

  like you could take a meeting that feels [TS]

  that feels user eous to go because all [TS]

  he wants to do is sell a house right i [TS]

  mean he and and to go like pretend that [TS]

  i want to look at houses just to hear [TS]

  this but through the head story [TS]

  mmm i actually don't intend to buy a [TS]

  house there [TS]

  ok but in the course of life who I will [TS]

  recognize i will recognize those too if [TS]

  I see them I would recognize them each [TS]

  individually and if I get into if I get [TS]

  into a situation because it because it [TS]

  also might be interesting to sequester [TS]

  his partner and say so give me a little [TS]

  background here at what point did you [TS]

  guys meet was he already back up on his [TS]

  feet [TS]

  did you know it before yeah that's just [TS]

  so much to this story but that's that's [TS]

  certainly put a complication more [TS]

  complications into the I mean it all [TS]

  feels very complicated right now [TS]

  yeah feels very very exciting your truck [TS]

  blew up a truck blew up [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  it's a the trucks plural keep blowing up [TS]

  plural and the following sentence [TS]

  escaped my lips yesterday as my as my [TS]

  dear mother about rolled her eyes at me [TS]

  for the 10,000 time I said you know what [TS]

  I'm just going to sell everything will [TS]

  sell everything i'ma buy a subaru oh and [TS]

  she lit up she was like great idea I [TS]

  think that's a great idea subaru you [TS]

  know new Subaru it will never talking to [TS]

  break down it's not gonna I'm never [TS]

  going to get a call where you suddenly [TS]

  need me to something you're just going [TS]

  to be not gonna have to sleep in it [TS]

  overnight with a child without heat [TS]

  that's right this is just behind the [TS]

  benefits can be Joe mr. man John [TS]

  normal truck [TS]

  normal truck right you're just drive [TS]

  around you put a namaste sticker on [TS]

  there was this big with the lesbians are [TS]

  you wear this I did i do know that you [TS]

  heard a whole herd of podcast about this [TS]

  is very interesting they realize that [TS]

  the lesbians were loving Subarus and [TS]

  instead of going [TS]

  yeah they were like let's embrace this [TS]

  lets the answer but what do I need you [TS]

  to put this lesbian in a Subaru you know [TS]

  where we are we are now the lesbian car [TS]

  but it's also my sense of them when [TS]

  Subarus first came on the market in [TS]

  Anchorage they were an enormously [TS]

  popular car because they were a [TS]

  four-wheel-drive it's almost like the [TS]

  opposite of an SUV or like people go out [TS]

  and buy SUV so they can rep that there's [TS]

  somebody with an SUV is the super seem [TS]

  like something people because they [TS]

  genuinely use the features of its like [TS]

  go places in camp and stuff like that [TS]

  subaru like a that remember that iconic [TS]

  blue color of a Subaru kind of a light [TS]

  blue subaru [TS]

  the light brute blue subaru like came [TS]

  with cross country skis already on it [TS]

  are already over [TS]

  you know like it was the car in Alaska [TS]

  that that you drove if you were if you [TS]

  coached a team cross-country ski club [TS]

  whereas the volvo was much more the NPR [TS]

  car [TS]

  yeah and then it was the first kind of [TS]

  with heated seats interesting i love [TS]

  heated seats fold all the Volvo's were [TS]

  always sold to us as like you could [TS]

  survive any accident because people in [TS]

  Alaska dial the time getting t-boned on [TS]

  icy roads and then I had a good friend [TS]

  whose mom got just creamed by a massive [TS]

  transfusion her [TS]

  volvo dl and just got completely just [TS]

  straight on tee shot who on a on a major [TS]

  thoroughfare where a guy in a in a ford [TS]

  bronco didn't even see the light and [TS]

  just hit are going 55 miles an hour [TS]

  oh my god and she she had to use the [TS]

  other door to get out of the car was [TS]

  basically the injury that she received [TS]

  like it it was a car where it was a [TS]

  crook collision where the Bronco was [TS]

  wrecked and the vulva was just a twisted [TS]

  hunk of metal and she just got over into [TS]

  the passenger seat got out and was like [TS]

  huh well that wasn't very fun like no [TS]

  damage to her at all because the volvo [TS]

  was some kind of miracle car Yeah right [TS]

  right they named it was wasn't like one [TS]

  of the original cars that we thought the [TS]

  idea of how you put the boxes together [TS]

  and all the right parts of crumpled and [TS]

  memory serves I was explained to me as [TS]

  if you're using a Volvo head on this is [TS]

  not physics but like a lot of the impact [TS]

  is distributed in a way that it doesn't [TS]

  get it to the extent possible doesn't [TS]

  get to where the cabin that you're in [TS]

  but also liked it transfers it's like [TS]

  just basically make the engine dropout [TS]

  like it takes all that is it something [TS]

  like that i think what happens is it [TS]

  gets trance that gets transferred into [TS]

  solar energy that you know what that's [TS]

  that'sthat's good it's clean its [TS]

  renewable take away and then it gets [TS]

  transferred through some kind of volvo [TS]

  proprietor [TS]

  process into a hydroponic farm and put [TS]

  some drm probably yeah oh yeah [TS]

  absolutely right so but the subaru is [TS]

  now the National Car of Seattle which is [TS]

  increasingly becoming its own nation and [TS]

  so everywhere you go there's a Subaru [TS]

  that either and they all have bumper [TS]

  stickers and most common ones are [TS]

  coexist with each letter represented by [TS]

  the symbol of a different religion so [TS]

  high so many problems with that from [TS]

  graphic design standpoint coexist very [TS]

  troubling to me totally unreadable [TS]

  unless you've looked at a thousand of [TS]

  them which everyone of us has coexist [TS]

  and also coexist i think has some [TS]

  association with Bono [TS]

  oh isn't that Miss even worse yeah so [TS]

  that every time I see that bumper [TS]

  sticker also somehow now bono is in my [TS]

  head a little bit it's just sort of [TS]

  rebel song he's just peeking around the [TS]

  corner down the hall like this i'm also [TS]

  here the glasses yellow don't mean to [TS]

  book your mr. I and then the other one [TS]

  that goes on every subaru everyone that [TS]

  doesn't have to co-exist has a wag more [TS]

  bark less no realize world plants were [TS]

  visualized or cheese and then there's [TS]

  one and he just here in the northwest [TS]

  visualized tacoma which is which dates [TS]

  back to that era where it was like wha [TS]

  wackadoodle and that's gone right from [TS]

  the culture mostly that kind of [TS]

  wackadoodle is gone [TS]

  yeah wouldn't you say there's nobody [TS]

  putting out like visualize to come up or [TS]

  stickers weird [TS]

  yeah we squeeze two we used to have more [TS]

  joy does anybody remember laughter it [TS]

  I don't know did you know I don't know [TS]

  if we've talked about this but yet [TS]

  somebody asked somebody asked Robert [TS]

  Plant in an interview Germany regrets in [TS]

  all the years you know you've done a lot [TS]

  of crazy things i'm sure you've been in [TS]

  a jet airplane with a bunch of people [TS]

  that all died and you were the only one [TS]

  to walk off i mean like like any regrets [TS]

  and he was like he said the one thing I [TS]

  regret is that does anybody remember [TS]

  laughs are you kidding no and i was like [TS]

  he [TS]

  i would that would be what I regretted [TS]

  to you i know i know just one like at [TS]

  one thing you just kind of say out of [TS]

  nowhere and like that's your that's your [TS]

  thing now that's your thing right and I [TS]

  and you have to imagine that when they [TS]

  were mixing that and when they were [TS]

  putting that out [TS]

  they said to him you know hey you want [TS]

  to come by and check out the mix and [TS]

  just make sure that it all sounds good [TS]

  and he probably did that thing that I [TS]

  often do which is like I'm sure it [TS]

  sounds fine yeah and we find and then it [TS]

  came out and and I subsequent to that [TS]

  for 35 years people have been walking [TS]

  out really good left my god [TS]

  and yeah that's the one thing Robert [TS]

  Plant regrets it's the one thing he [TS]

  could think up [TS]

  yeah you know I got feelings about [TS]

  robert plant is very sad what happened [TS]

  with his son and you think about that i [TS]

  know i really i genuinely feel sorry for [TS]

  Robert Plant and didn't see that coming [TS]

  this morning [TS]

  mhm so you're looking at Subarus you're [TS]

  looking at land [TS]

  no I I definitely do not I on one hand I [TS]

  feel like a Subaru is an unimpeachable [TS]

  decision like if I went and bought a [TS]

  Subaru it would be the kind of indignity [TS]

  that I could like what would happen is i [TS]

  would fall in everyone's esteem a little [TS]

  really I if you can picture this picture [TS]

  this scenario i come on our podcast and [TS]

  you say i was going today and i go i was [TS]

  pretty good i just bought a Subaru now [TS]

  think about that tweet something again [TS]

  there's gonna be a lot of Subaru owners [TS]

  that tweet me positively like welcome [TS]

  have you checked out the subaru have you [TS]

  read your owner's manual yet I see but [TS]

  they're going to be a little respect [TS]

  today expect to be in the subaru [TS]

  community you thinking about or at least [TS]

  I'd be welcome there but there i think [TS]

  are a lot of listeners to our program [TS]

  that imagine that my next car will be [TS]

  some kind of anti tank vehicle it stands [TS]

  to reason you know my next car will be a [TS]

  three-man submarine you get a deep [TS]

  decommission how much are slimmer [TS]

  submarine ya there [TS]

  and put a massage chair in a nice and so [TS]

  to to reveal myself to be a like a real [TS]

  human being who's like a super was the [TS]

  best value or like our it seems you know [TS]

  I've got a kid and it seems like exactly [TS]

  find out the wizard of oz eating Arby's [TS]

  yeah precisely why would I can't because [TS]

  it's not just people listen to our [TS]

  program like I've gotta wraps around [TS]

  this town [TS]

  yeah i'll start your brand John it [TS]

  absolutely is not show up and Superbad [TS]

  something that people will be like did [TS]

  you did you like steel that recently and [TS]

  I'm like now I bought it and it was just [TS]

  no one would know what's stopping my [TS]

  friend no one would think that I was any [TS]

  less [TS]

  oh but i would fall just that three [TS]

  percent in their steam [TS]

  yeah thats 3% could be a lot of percent [TS]

  it can and so so as soon as my mom [TS]

  walked away I was like heck no i'm [TS]

  buying an experimental helicopter and [TS]

  she turned around and was like what did [TS]

  you say I was like nothing subaru [TS]

  probably but maybe i'll get one of those [TS]

  super is with a big like with what [TS]

  appears to be like a blower on the front [TS]

  I know it's not a blower but it's some [TS]

  kind of turbo-charged juror it's like a [TS]

  piper charger they have a lot there are [TS]

  super is with a lot of works on them [TS]

  because they're used in rally drifting [TS]

  drift rallies but I feel like that's [TS]

  just that sort of that's that bolt on [TS]

  accessorizing that again i could i I [TS]

  just I can't I can't quite stand up with [TS]

  pride with a Subaru patch on my jacket [TS]

  and say like yeah I bolted onto make [TS]

  sure [TS]

  well I don't think you're as houses [TS]

  check your text i sent you something on [TS]

  I I don't think you are a watcher of the [TS]

  TV show Project Runway but I'm gonna [TS]

  tell you something I learned from [TS]

  project runway which is there's a weekly [TS]

  challenge [TS]

  ok and you to really listen to what the [TS]

  spirit of the challenges because here's [TS]

  what they don't want you to do no matter [TS]

  what the challenge is what they don't [TS]

  want you to do is take some Muslim make [TS]

  a basic tank dress and then put a bunch [TS]

  of shit on it [TS]

  don't fucking make a basic tank dress [TS]

  out of Muslim [TS]

  and what is a Muslim I met Muslim and [TS]

  then dress it up with a bunch of God [TS]

  don't ya don't don't sparkle tron it [TS]

  don't don't what size whether it be [TS]

  Julie like you know you have to go your [TS]

  design is the design like make a thing [TS]

  don't make a thing and then just put a [TS]

  bunch of fucking candy on it like that's [TS]

  not it that's not a design and I I feel [TS]

  like there's something similar going on [TS]

  here [TS]

  John is not going to be a guy that goes [TS]

  and buys a stock subaru and then put [TS]

  bedazzle zit no war is not the answer [TS]

  piece also takes courage company [TS]

  elizabeth warren wing of the Democratic [TS]

  Party so what I'm saying it's time to [TS]

  use our outside voices it really is [TS]

  little behavior women seldom make [TS]

  history [TS]

  they sure do they sure don't see you [TS]

  know everybody's John wild women don't [TS]

  get the Blues Merlin that's right i'm [TS]

  known a lot of wild women and I've known [TS]

  a lot of women with the blues and the [TS]

  those band diagrams do not overlap me [TS]

  you show me and in my blues and she will [TS]

  not be wild and conversely when I mean a [TS]

  wild women I know she does not have the [TS]

  Blues snapping three times like and in [TS]

  my dating life it was always one from [TS]

  column a than one from column B so the [TS]

  photo i sent you of this car that is [TS]

  frequently near our house parking this [TS]

  handicap space now this is a photo that [TS]

  you took this isn't a thing from the [TS]

  internet knows about my house and now [TS]

  the first of all see ivory mixed [TS]

  feelings about this because first of all [TS]

  this person is there a lot [TS]

  is that a playstation oh the person is [TS]

  this car is there a lot and it always [TS]

  makes me laugh every time I walk by [TS]

  discovered in that way that only hippies [TS]

  with no taste can do has slapped bumper [TS]

  stickers on to the painted part of this [TS]

  car and on top of one another [TS]

  oh and its really it's I i realized it's [TS]

  supposed to be maybe a little bit what [TS]

  situation is punk rock to do it this way [TS]

  but they did mostly bother to try and [TS]

  get them horizontally aligned right it [TS]

  isn't it doesn't totally crazy is my [TS]

  cover your laptop with band stickers in [TS]

  like a haphazard way like this [TS]

  it started out with a little bit of like [TS]

  and also notice for example ok so i [TS]

  won't get one thing out of the way they [TS]

  are parked in a handicapped space we do [TS]

  have do you have [TS]

  hang tag but i also want to stipulate [TS]

  for the record that San Francisco has a [TS]

  read on carelessly high rate of abuse a [TS]

  king because guess what you get to do [TS]

  when you get a hang tag you don't have [TS]

  to pay parking meters [TS]

  yeah she's gonna walk down terrible [TS]

  street buddy we're doing [TS]

  thank you all it's just solid solid [TS]

  anything it's just it anyway out about [TS]

  finding articles and you but there's two [TS]

  things you thinking ahead and hang tag [TS]

  because they also had a like a fake [TS]

  comfort horse thing i don't know i don't [TS]

  know you know I'm coming around on that [TS]

  but I also want to point out some of [TS]

  these they have bubbles like where they [TS]

  didn't really put much care into putting [TS]

  it on here [TS]

  corporations are not people corporations [TS]

  are not for money out Bernie in boerne [TS]

  but also look at that back fender buddy [TS]

  save our be like don't just look at the [TS]

  design of the stickers [TS]

  notice how many dents and dings and [TS]

  scuffs this person is hitting a lot of [TS]

  cars [TS]

  oh they are you saying it's a it's a [TS]

  hybrid car [TS]

  yeah but it's so it doesn't [TS]

  fundamentally sound way but you know the [TS]

  specific it's not like a civic hybrid [TS]

  yeah yeah yeahs lotus-like on that top [TS]

  level like across the word advocate you [TS]

  see how torn up that sticker is that's [TS]

  because they just keep hitting things [TS]

  yeah we are citizens united my love the [TS]

  little yellow one which seems very new [TS]

  which is a system in broken it's fixed [TS]

  it's fixed true what is that strong will [TS]

  get money skimming money out of politics [TS]

  where / strong sharps money out wrong [TS]

  Stanley out of some not money climate [TS]

  voter my voice my values my vote but the [TS]

  the system isn't broken thing which is [TS]

  new is slapped over the top of the save [TS]

  the Arctic auntie shell and the the [TS]

  shits himself on top of save our bees [TS]

  yes but the shell symbol is half shell [TS]

  oil simple with the devil horn half [TS]

  polar bear face have cartoon polar [TS]

  that's this so much confused messaging [TS]

  on here and then when you your when you [TS]

  zoom in that far to look at that then [TS]

  you see how damaged that bumper is low [TS]

  its super damage to bumper is trashed [TS]

  this person this president is here is [TS]

  like they had one [TS]

  oopsie while they were like parallel [TS]

  parking no this is a serial car header [TS]

  and they seem like an awful person was [TS]

  not [TS]

  the tag was expired wasn't really well [TS]

  they don't let me that because they have [TS]

  a handicap know they're handy can handle [TS]

  yeah I feel like those are the people [TS]

  that yell at me on the internet a lot [TS]

  and there are people that are ostensibly [TS]

  I share this like the tabs people who [TS]

  have like really a very bad bumper [TS]

  sticker aesthetic ow ok so I'm really [TS]

  glad you went in that direction thank [TS]

  you [TS]

  yes I totally agree i told this is [TS]

  aesthetically uh and you know if this [TS]

  was on the back of like a minibus I [TS]

  don't want I don't want to sound I don't [TS]

  want to be [TS]

  that's racist against box where anything [TS]

  is but but you know on this particular [TS]

  like late model and Little John I mean [TS]

  how old is this car naming 34 years old [TS]

  mm-hmm look at this it's a new car new [TS]

  ish car and they just been banging the [TS]

  shit out of other cars missing on that [TS]

  left side and think it's actually just [TS]

  as I'm not gonna put the socks and shame [TS]

  this person but the but there are the [TS]

  defender is published under the [TS]

  bumper-to-bumper is stuffed everywhere [TS]

  it is broken in parts and they shredded [TS]

  their own stickers from hitting things [TS]

  so often discarded it's car maybe the [TS]

  left thank you ever city [TS]

  it reminds me exactly of my old guitar [TS]

  case which I you know I constantly [TS]

  slapped other band stickers and stuff [TS]

  you know you're out there in the world [TS]

  and you play with the band and here's [TS]

  our sticker and slap it on your guitar [TS]

  case and it's the lives you do it right [TS]

  in front of them so you're like yeah [TS]

  love playing the show with you and then [TS]

  you you put your fiber sticker on your [TS]

  on your guitar [TS]

  yep but the way that the sticker or the [TS]

  way the guitars fit into the van [TS]

  required that Eric course and our chief [TS]

  he was he was gifted that wasn't yeah he [TS]

  was chief jigsaw operator he always my [TS]

  guitar was always the last thing to go [TS]

  in the in the truck and and as a [TS]

  consequence it got crammed in to a space [TS]

  that was just slightly too small for it [TS]

  and so the stickers on my guitar case [TS]

  were both compressed into the case and [TS]

  also like ground kind of shredded and as [TS]

  time went on i just put more stickers on [TS]

  top of the shredded stickers and it's [TS]

  just it's it's just chaos looking and it [TS]

  looks kinda like the back bumper of that [TS]

  garbage car this year rickenbacker yeah [TS]

  the rickenbacker and boy loved that [TS]

  guitar [TS]

  yeah yeah but i still get such a feeling [TS]

  when I see a Rickenbacker it gives you [TS]

  that rickenbacker feeling I have when I [TS]

  told you this i want to sell it for rent [TS]

  yeah that's a 12-string oh so what you [TS]

  don't want to have to sell things for [TS]

  red but college man that's what you do [TS]

  it's a tablet everything it's [TS]

  complicated to be or not it's not you're [TS]

  not always able to go back to Center [TS]

  call sometimes you have to play feet say [TS]

  so on my guitar don't go back to [TS]

  Rockville so wasted another year [TS]

  no no pero now [TS]

  well that was a great you know if you [TS]

  need a campfire song buddy looking for [TS]

  spaghetti party in Romania campfire [TS]

  spaghetti party that's going to pull out [TS]

  and go back to Rockville I [TS]

  and go back to Rockville I [TS]

  so Peter bucket here but famously said [TS]

  you know every time I play and I I don't [TS]

  remember what he said this in an [TS]

  interview or whether he's I think he [TS]

  actually said this to me [TS]

  yeah he's always saying things to me I [TS]

  well you know we were somewhere and I [TS]

  said peter is very literal a person LOL [TS]

  yeah he's interested in in my experience [TS]

  oh I I know a few people in rem yes [TS]

  let's say everybody except for a single [TS]

  no I have but know him well enough that [TS]

  that I mean he doesn't walk up and say [TS]

  John but you know he has he has said [TS]

  John to me and say he has no your name [TS]

  at some point yes that's nice [TS]

  the only one of everyone in the band [TS]

  that was an original member and even [TS]

  some of the later members that is at all [TS]

  what you would call figure to his mills [TS]

  connecting those little cat no kin is [TS]

  extremely figured but he's a late [TS]

  addition I guess I take your point and [TS]

  he's not in the band anymore so I [TS]

  saucony kind of in rem at some point [TS]

  he's he's been are inferred years and he [TS]

  is still in the band and Scott is scott [TS]

  is also figurative but like Michael and [TS]

  and Peter both seem very pretty literal [TS]

  even given this very surprising to me [TS]

  even given stripes like I think one of [TS]

  the one of the things about his original [TS]

  lyrics was that they were so figurative [TS]

  as to be meaningless and as he got as [TS]

  his lyrics got more and more mixed [TS]

  forward and he felt more empowered to [TS]

  make them make sense [TS]

  we saw that they that the litter ality [TS]

  of them was a little bit of a problem [TS]

  right like I needed to to my leg off the [TS]

  type of type of lyrics [TS]

  mm-hmm notice not as much but anyway [TS]

  peter said but now i'm picking he [TS]

  absolutely said he literally had his [TS]

  finances Orange Crush well i mean that's [TS]

  that's the question [TS]

  he's got my eyes that I've got my spine [TS]

  I've got my orange crush [TS]

  I don't think he says I got my spine in [TS]

  my orange crush [TS]

  ok and i think he does have his spawn [TS]

  and he does have his orange crush [TS]

  ok this is the thing right you can like [TS]

  Oh does that mean something [TS]

  maybe or maybe he's just saying some [TS]

  things that he has you cigarette out [TS]

  yeah but Peter said every 44 years and [TS]

  years and and still to this day there is [TS]

  always a group of dudes standing right [TS]

  in front of me watching me play guitar [TS]

  trying to figure out the secret and he [TS]

  said here's the secret d g e-- see em [TS]

  yeah and he's like I every time I get on [TS]

  stage I'm like sorry group of dudes who [TS]

  think that there's a secret it's just [TS]

  these chords played into a guitar that's [TS]

  plug straight into the amp and maybe [TS]

  there's a tube screamer and it's true [TS]

  right when you really watch what he does [TS]

  I mean he's got that fast pickin and is [TS]

  an arpeggiator he's an arpeggiator but [TS]

  that's all it is that the whole trick [TS]

  arpeggiation epochs like Pixar i think [TS]

  one of the ways I'm are a lot of a pixar [TS]

  one of the things that i love about [TS]

  pixar is that in addition to having kind [TS]

  of the most baller technology and in any [TS]

  given time with animation they're also [TS]

  canny about always as a truism that I'm [TS]

  not creating this is just a truism that [TS]

  was really good at saying well we can't [TS]

  really make people look anything but [TS]

  creepy so let's make toys like we can do [TS]

  the surfaces of toys and all the way [TS]

  like you know we can do hair and water [TS]

  now there's all these things were like [TS]

  at the stories change as they were able [TS]

  to do more things and you even though [TS]

  you didn't watch the movie oh I get it [TS]

  now they can do hair to the monsters inc [TS]

  and I feel a little bit about people [TS]

  where he's he's very forthcoming about [TS]

  saying hey I i barely i was working at a [TS]

  record store like I [TS]

  barely knew how to play anything on a [TS]

  guitar in the early days [TS]

  yeah and I always liked the fact that [TS]

  like he kind of went with his strength [TS]

  and one thing he got pretty good at was [TS]

  having a pretty good rhythm and and your [TS]

  pickiness for playing like open chords [TS]

  many made it work and then be sure to a [TS]

  little bit of piano you get a camera out [TS]

  of that like it's not Liberace but [TS]

  cameras pretty fucking great song and he [TS]

  liked you didn't pick up the mandolin [TS]

  and all of a sudden it's a best sonic [TS]

  boom yeah I don't know III mini Mitchie [TS]

  sir said because I played a show with me [TS]

  she's really yeah 11 time I Mitch easter [TS]

  and his band which included his wife [TS]

  let's act let's active played she's not [TS]

  open for REM oh you did back in the day [TS]

  yep let's active opened for ken [TS]

  stringfellow on the tour that he and I [TS]

  did together in and this was the same [TS]

  tour where you and I met [TS]

  yep oakland let's active opened for us [TS]

  in some kind of Georgia town somewhere [TS]

  the larger Georgia old wall then they [TS]

  came out and and you know ken loved to [TS]

  introduce me to those you know two [TS]

  people like that [TS]

  yeah and so we're all sitting around in [TS]

  and mr. said REM was the only band i [TS]

  ever worked with where every single [TS]

  person in the band when they were [TS]

  listening to the mixes asked if I could [TS]

  turn their part down that's that's [TS]

  amazing [TS]

  isn't that something yeah that makes me [TS]

  so happy to hear each one of them was [TS]

  like could you put me which makes me in [TS]

  a little bit and he's like that is just [TS]

  not as he said I was like that's not our [TS]

  people are still very gets his props [TS]

  because I think he's astonishing I throw [TS]

  props at him all the time because [TS]

  because all you have to know is he left [TS]

  the band and then the records working [TS]

  anymore [TS]

  those first few albums man like he's [TS]

  coming up with such that mean is I'm [TS]

  sorry we're talking about RM again but [TS]

  like those three musicians have such [TS]

  different styles but you kinda can't [TS]

  imagine [TS]

  there's no other way there's no like [TS]

  chaos theory that would ever arrive at [TS]

  the chaos theory of REM because it's so [TS]

  crazy like the beats the bilberry comes [TS]

  up with are so weird and when you watch [TS]

  and play them they don't sound you don't [TS]

  hear them go that's strange [TS]

  you don't think like oh my god Mike [TS]

  Mills is based on this is really really [TS]

  odd i think that his bass parts are [TS]

  weird i love them i love them from me [TS]

  too me too i mean looking out for me you [TS]

  know me on the first the the first three [TS]

  records are my go-to but like you know [TS]

  i'm especially on a say on reckoning [TS]

  like some of that stuff is bananas [TS]

  mhm i am you know where we're such big [TS]

  fans and you know I talk about them in [TS]

  ways that I'm never sure if if if they [TS]

  happen to tune into one of these [TS]

  podcasts which I'm not saying they don't [TS]

  yeah they want whether they would be [TS]

  whether they would say like mm I don't [TS]

  like the way he's talking about us but I [TS]

  I couldn't love them more but it's just [TS]

  you know when you get to when you get [TS]

  close to get you get proximate because I [TS]

  would never say i was close but I'm [TS]

  proximate to them [TS]

  yeah well you and your in where people [TS]

  would compare the long winters two other [TS]

  bands much to mine I think your [TS]

  frustration REM was a frequent [TS]

  comparison although I never heard it [TS]

  uh I never heard it but I you know [TS]

  anybody that compared us to REM I was [TS]

  like thank you that's so much better [TS]

  than being compared to the guy that did [TS]

  pastor jones comparison Oh for a little [TS]

  while some record some one person made a [TS]

  review in the salt lake city services [TS]

  never read any of like if we need was to [TS]

  cover van morrison still down the [TS]

  westing like this but he hit man what is [TS]

  that man called it's a doctor [TS]

  funkenstein or whatever what what are [TS]

  they called those and the phone starters [TS]

  mr. mr. Jones mr. Jones that's I know [TS]

  this is a counting crows mm no no [TS]

  ok and it's not Jim blossoms that was [TS]

  magic lessons is a counting crows it [TS]

  might be counting the county cross does [TS]

  a song that I like this diet is governed [TS]

  counting crows song that I like no it [TS]

  was years after came out I heard on the [TS]

  radio I was like what the fuck is this [TS]

  and it was believable [TS]

  it was really good yeah it is counting [TS]

  crows county boroughs and I think [TS]

  counting crows houses on who is not [TS]

  hitting the Blowfish that's a different [TS]

  band counting crows have some very [TS]

  redeeming features i am think I think [TS]

  that they are imaginative than I think [TS]

  that they have good song good songs [TS]

  angels angels of the silences is that a [TS]

  song that you have ever heard [TS]

  angel of the morning angels angels [TS]

  angels of the silences i know i don't [TS]

  mean if I heard it I might know it 1996 [TS]

  know is that the year that that year is [TS]

  that the one that existed or didn't [TS]

  exist [TS]

  no that's the one right before the one [TS]

  that didn't exist and what exactly six [TS]

  was pretty seriously it count on the [TS]

  bubble almost not existing at 96 I think [TS]

  I mean some stuff happened but it is not [TS]

  quite as like null as 97 but now when do [TS]

  you get when you get the the the color [TS]

  and the shape that's an ear that didn't [TS]

  exist right color in the shade that's a [TS]

  good album it's pretty existed [TS]

  yeah that's a job with the other night I [TS]

  don't know why this happened [TS]

  ok I went down an Internet rabbit hole [TS]

  as you do and I came out I came out all [TS]

  the way across my lawn [TS]

  I went down like a rabbit hole that was [TS]

  next to my fireplace and all of a sudden [TS]

  inexplicable amount of my lawn and it's [TS]

  not clear how I got there [TS]

  you got him uncle but where I was was in [TS]

  in joy division [TS]

  mm and then of course as you do when you [TS]

  when you're enjoy Division I know he's [TS]

  already know this rabbit hole [TS]

  yeah you end up in new order yep and [TS]

  then I want a certain point you stop and [TS]

  then I watched every new order video [TS]

  don't-don't-don't couldn't and didn't [TS]

  gotta love yours [TS]

  new order has always been a very [TS]

  complicated listen for me some one [TS]

  because the singing is bad it's just [TS]

  it's just an arguably battle thin it's [TS]

  not into which is a thing that is fine [TS]

  in the context of an order because it [TS]

  works somehow you know what I mean like [TS]

  you go [TS]

  yeah that wasn't in tune but it's so new [TS]

  order that it doesn't matter you kind of [TS]

  went with that kind of a mopey vocal it [TS]

  kind of works that kind of works it's [TS]

  like oh yeah he doesn't need to be in [TS]

  tune I mean Morsi only uses three notes [TS]

  but it was never like that say you [TS]

  always think the third always think the [TS]

  third yeah [TS]

  who is that was at chads just check ins [TS]

  check the country gentleman we call it [TS]

  yeah that's right morsi's the only [TS]

  everything is the third time we were all [TS]

  sitting around in Bakersfield but ladies [TS]

  and gentlemen mr. buck owens I 10 total [TS]

  now you're gonna buck owens whole you [TS]

  ever get into that you ever go down the [TS]

  buckaroos i watch so we have this kind [TS]

  of song is repeating fucking [TS]

  conversations from years ago yet you [TS]

  must have gone down the Don rabbit hole [TS]

  example here yeah [TS]

  holy shit that guy what what you know [TS]

  you know buckle and his heart was broken [TS]

  for years after yeah after he died i'll [TS]

  tell you what [TS]

  so was mine mhm i have ever gone to have [TS]

  you ever gone down a Barrett Martin [TS]

  rabbit hole Carol Barrett Martin ram so [TS]

  barren Martin is actually i'm gonna i'm [TS]

  gonna go i'm gonna step way out and I [TS]

  know that people sometimes roll their [TS]

  eyes and just like my mom does at the at [TS]

  the sort of celebrities like not [TS]

  celebrity but like grunge rock era [TS]

  celebrity name dropping that I sometimes [TS]

  doing this program [TS]

  yeah but bear Martin I'm gonna jump all [TS]

  the way out there and say he's actually [TS]

  a friend of mine he's not somebody that [TS]

  I'm Erin Martin eric martin and very [TS]

  Martin has played in the following band [TS]

  is otherwise known as green Barrett [TS]

  creating barret barret barret Martin [TS]

  parent Martin was screaming trees [TS]

  Oh in this screen i made in our I [TS]

  already know them very well looking at [TS]

  me to have some time he was in Queens of [TS]

  the Stone Edge oh no [TS]

  I like that band he was the drummer mad [TS]

  season he was in skin yours is the girl [TS]

  drummer in that band [TS]

  no no but he so he's a guy that is such [TS]

  a good drummer that every one of these [TS]

  bands at a certain point I mean he you [TS]

  know like every one of these bands at a [TS]

  certain point was like we need a good [TS]

  drummer let's get not not like to but [TS]

  sometimes he's just playing like the [TS]

  other getting that Chamberlain you get a [TS]

  bear Martin and he's like he was the he [TS]

  was the drummer of Mad Season times and [TS]

  he was in skin yard but you know Jason [TS]

  was in skin yard is that right detective [TS]

  of it he only has the one tattoo as far [TS]

  as i know [TS]

  ok he you know he played screaming trees [TS]

  walking papers to atara without Scott [TS]

  McCoy in that Peter Buck and Scott McCoy [TS]

  I think dammit these guys are confusing [TS]

  yeah they're all together they're all [TS]

  moms crisis like I was like a rat King [TS]

  yeah uh-huh and actually talking some of [TS]

  that was maybe section work [TS]

  he's a very good driver and the minus 5 [TS]

  is that is that the thing that robyn [TS]

  Hitchcock and Bob Pollard did you know [TS]

  technically i'm in the minus 5 is that [TS]

  right yeah because uh because Scott [TS]

  McCoy always said if you've ever played [TS]

  if you ever been in the minus 5 that you [TS]

  are still in the minus five which I [TS]

  thought was a 2nd marine yeah that's [TS]

  right just saying is as a retired as I'm [TS]

  alive [TS]

  yeah so he said you know he says that [TS]

  pretty regularly which is bits of [TS]

  typical Scott because generosity [TS]

  oh and so that enables me because there [TS]

  are a lot of people who have been on [TS]

  stage with the minus 5 [TS]

  do you like they're like discounts and [TS]

  stuff like that the places you can you [TS]

  show your card [TS]

  no because it's a thing where it's one [TS]

  thing for me to be in a bar in Brooklyn [TS]

  and say I'm in 2-5 mhm and it's another [TS]

  thing for me to walk up to Peter Buck [TS]

  and say well as you know i'm in a band [TS]

  of you as you know I'm you know that [TS]

  that's a little bit that's what you know [TS]

  there are a lot a lot of people that [TS]

  have been played at minus-5 and you [TS]

  don't want to [TS]

  you don't want to just you don't play [TS]

  that card too often you know what I'm [TS]

  saying you want to underplay that in [TS]

  that car okay because you know I was [TS]

  like the Afghanistan card you don't pull [TS]

  it out all the time [TS]

  yeah right i mean it if i if I'm sitting [TS]

  in a hotel lobby with mark i tol em I'll [TS]

  say oh yeah you and I are both in the [TS]

  minus 5 and markets all have to deal [TS]

  with it [TS]

  just got to sit with that yeah but I've [TS]

  never met Jeff Tweety which seems [TS]

  surprising but I never have but it's not [TS]

  a good sport [TS]

  yeah he does but if I rolled up on Jeff [TS]

  Tweety I you know that actually might be [TS]

  my intro with him to like know you look [TS]

  at minus-5 challenge coin i might be [TS]

  like you and I earned a band together [TS]

  and he's like uh huh but i'd say we [TS]

  wrote the minus 5 and he seems like the [TS]

  type of guy that would get that yeah [TS]

  yeah he's on he's I he's made [TS]

  appearances on on on TV shows i like and [TS]

  he seems like a very good sport [TS]

  yeah he does one is when I saw that [TS]

  movie I that was available time will [TS]

  come movie [TS]

  yeah that was a bad time in my life and [TS]

  I walked out of that theater with the [TS]

  with the Swift they liked it the taste [TS]

  of batteries in my mouth [TS]

  who here but since then i feel like i [TS]

  have i've come back around and everybody [TS]

  i know you know hodgman's close with [TS]

  those guys somehow and and everybody [TS]

  says he saw these pieces astonishing so [TS]

  what can I say I agree [TS]

  oh you're in a band together Yeah right [TS]

  sure I mean you can't hate anybody [TS]

  that's been in the minus 5 except for [TS]

  colin Meloy and I don't come on I'm [TS]

  kidding there's a native of parks and [TS]

  recreation [TS]

  all you really need to know about it is [TS]

  that it features a concert and a concert [TS]

  in include appearances by yo tengo while [TS]

  they're in disguise as a different band [TS]

  but yo tengo and the decemberists and a [TS]

  band featuring Jeff Tweety how do you [TS]

  know anybody in yo tengo no I met them [TS]

  outside an elevator at south by [TS]

  southwest and they were very gracious [TS]

  where you at South by Southwest doing a [TS]

  tech talk all you're so mad at me i [TS]

  didn't really I didn't mean to make you [TS]

  man [TS]

  no wait mad at you ok I think Matt just [TS]

  play a fine manager i just got a issue [TS]

  and I was why was i there [TS]

  I've done two things at South by [TS]

  Southwest I think and they're only [TS]

  nominally tech related but I was it does [TS]

  in my hotel and I mean you know here's [TS]

  the thing above all I am a fan [TS]

  unlike you i am a fan I I am I know you [TS]

  might develop very very strong almost [TS]

  creepy feelings about certain bands and [TS]

  one of those is yo tengo en you ready [TS]

  for this my instruction yo tengo is fake [TS]

  book weird first record a guy that I was [TS]

  in a band with gave me a cassette you [TS]

  should check this out i was like oh my [TS]

  god this man's incredible sound [TS]

  absolutely nothing like what ya tengo [TS]

  actually it was it covers acoustic [TS]

  covers anyway doesn't matter but IRA in [TS]

  Georgia were waiting for the same [TS]

  elevator and I was like a day are now [TS]

  and I do my usual i think i think i said [TS]

  it's really enjoy your work thank you [TS]

  for doing what you do [TS]

  yeah I did you want to say that didn't [TS]

  you make sure not to get in the elevator [TS]

  with them [TS]

  yeah then you put your wallet out and [TS]

  say hello hello I literally can't think [TS]

  you're safe can you hear me now [TS]

  that's not my line yeah no yeah that was [TS]

  uh I remember you mean you are one of a [TS]

  small handful of people who have put yo [TS]

  la tengo in front of me you i've sat [TS]

  down at the dinner table I've tucked [TS]

  into the table i put my burn it's not [TS]

  it's not it's not a same-day enterprise [TS]

  to get into yellow tengo yeah that you [TS]

  put the plate down and there's yo la [TS]

  tengo on and I go and design is another [TS]

  one with the yo la tengo and vegetables [TS]

  job I have never had a bad experience [TS]

  with you'll attend canal but as you know [TS]

  i just sort of like big maps in that it [TS]

  i have consumed them quite a bit and I [TS]

  have enjoyed them quite a bit to have [TS]

  been there if you're there when it [TS]

  happened it's different I mean like you [TS]

  and all the screaming trees Taipans like [TS]

  when you were there like that's a [TS]

  different kind of thing and I never [TS]

  that's the thing i never played with [TS]

  them I never stood on the side of the [TS]

  stage and it and absorbed it from that [TS]

  standpoint and that's usually how I get [TS]

  to be close with the ball they do the [TS]

  musician into a very good live show [TS]

  I something with the city with lamb chop [TS]

  one of those terrible little great [TS]

  American where you have to sit at a [TS]

  table I've spent a lot of time with lamb [TS]

  job it's a hell of a band [TS]

  yeah we played a lot of shows zoo again [TS]

  adjacent is there anybody else that [TS]

  you'd like to mention that you've met a [TS]

  boy so many people let me think [TS]

  I mean you know really mean it doesn't [TS]

  have to be a headliner who nothing but [TS]

  nah [TS]

  Jeffrey Jones is that the guy that [TS]

  killed all those people with the TV [TS]

  party tonight [TS]

  that's right you are you tea party [TS]

  compact TV party all right yeah yeah [TS]

  yeahs institutionalized I'm not crazy [TS]

  yeah I met a lot of people mr. Roderick [TS]

  yeah i remember i was there [TS]

  yeah I read scott miller book is a book [TS]

  about Scott Miller read that I'm afraid [TS]

  that I you know I used to be i used to [TS]

  be a lot more reticent about just [TS]

  sitting on this program and just [TS]

  throwing names around really but I feel [TS]

  like you've always been pretty [TS]

  comfortable it feels like the one about [TS]

  that John Wesley Harding ever met him [TS]

  it feels like lately we've been doing it [TS]

  more and I don't I feel like it's coming [TS]

  from me and I don't know what you're [TS]

  doing that's in the show is in the show [TS]

  that's always been my can't people just [TS]

  understand that stuff comes up you know [TS]

  what it comes up it comes up and then [TS]

  it's in the show that's how you know [TS]

  it's in the show is it's part of the [TS]

  show [TS]

  yeah nobody ever called pablo picasso [TS]

  and also that's right [TS]

  not mine no I think that John captain [TS]

  john cale song right John Cale John [TS]

  Kelly doesn't sign up but um apparently [TS]

  thinking you know that song [TS]

  yeah the one that goes come on come on [TS]

  come on now touch me baby about the bar [TS]

  how'd you see that I'm not afraid [TS]

  no is eric ray manzarek he he produced [TS]

  he produced acts and iĆ­ve met John Doe [TS]

  I spend a little time with job isn't he [TS]

  a nice man what's really missing anybody [TS]

  else have we met John a very handsome [TS]

  very very handsome and he's always very [TS]

  nice to my daughter when we see him he's [TS]

  a sweet sweet sweet nopales we also was [TS]

  a jonathan richman song i think the [TS]

  cover of a john cale song it was [TS]

  produced by john cale pop out of her go [TS]

  back to jonathan richman you ever go [TS]

  back to the modern lovers i do because i [TS]

  keep thinking it was the next time I [TS]

  listen to it is going to be the time not [TS]

  that into it but I'm frequently [TS]

  surprised by how much I i still really [TS]

  enjoy is not as I'm just like his jokey [TS]

  stuff but something hospital like that's [TS]

  still really good song so many good [TS]

  songs and so many good like tones [TS]

  mhm um like the towns are never what you [TS]

  expect and I always thought i was a guy [TS]

  was listening to the other day where the [TS]

  thing that always astonishes me about [TS]

  tones is when a clean guitar fulfills [TS]

  the function of a distorted guitar it's [TS]

  not just a neutered rock and roll guitar [TS]

  know it's like a hot cool rebel kick and [TS]

  move but still thats up to it without [TS]

  needing to be distorted and it comes the [TS]

  ends in a track and goes like meringue [TS]

  but it pumps the song up just as it's [TS]

  like let me just get this thing [TS]

  straightened out and just comes right [TS]

  something straight down the center of [TS]

  the room [TS]

  exactly yeah I know exactly what you [TS]

  mean my instinct would always to be to [TS]

  be and I think it's an incorrect [TS]

  instinct would be to put a bunch of like [TS]

  on it a bunch of sort of overdrive [TS]

  distort oh you can have a loud guitar [TS]

  that is not distorted and people i think [TS]

  either don't know that or they forget [TS]

  that and they think that that you've [TS]

  gotta have the distortion you can have a [TS]

  very loud very clear guitar sound that [TS]

  could just knock somebody right in the [TS]

  chest and it's very compelling [TS]

  so you get to the end [TS]

  I'm straight mhm I'm straight wing [TS]

  Kingdom that guitar is just clean a shit [TS]

  hit the Johnny but who [TS]

  it lifts the tune so much and you're [TS]

  like a and every tone on it [TS]

  I just I every tone just feels so good [TS]

  it just feels so good real-time [TS]

  follow-up you are correct according to [TS]

  wikipedia which is never wrong Pablo [TS]

  Picasso is a song written by jonathan [TS]

  richman DD you're right produced by John [TS]

  canada here's the thing this is the trip [TS]

  me up or is what trips me up so that was [TS]

  recorded in 72 released in 76 john cale [TS]

  did cover the jonathan richman song [TS]

  public Casso and really fun as hell of a [TS]

  tryout 1975 turns hello [TS]

  so the original recording was by kale [TS]

  because it didn't come out by richmond [TS]

  until much later [TS]

  yeah right i've never met John kill no [TS]

  me either i've never met jonathan [TS]

  richman but he played at bumbershoot not [TS]

  very long ago and I've seen him a couple [TS]

  of times now and I don't have introduced [TS]

  myself to him many times and he's a very [TS]

  very interesting person he loves talking [TS]

  about buses [TS]

  oh I love talking about buses you should [TS]

  talk to him look at him he looks great [TS]

  65 looks terrific [TS]

  he's terrific looking guy thinks i still [TS]

  he's still wearing the striped shirt sky [TS]

  love this guy [TS]

  the famous story about him making his [TS]

  drummer play with rolled-up newspapers [TS]

  an old folks home is one that ice that I [TS]

  cannot ever i cannot forget that story [TS]

  because it makes me feel like maybe I [TS]

  should have been more crazy with my [TS]

  bandmates instead of instead of always [TS]

  wondering whether i should have been [TS]

  less crazy your you've made a lot of [TS]

  irrational demands of the people in your [TS]

  life but they're all irrational within [TS]

  normal parameters [TS]

  yeah have you ever thought about maybe [TS]

  getting out beyond that you might wanna [TS]

  get the band back together just to see [TS]

  how you can fuck with them [TS]

  well that's what I'm saying like 190 [TS]

  play any apps time I remember you have [TS]

  no symbols which was like another like [TS]

  great like no symbols says PS as a peter [TS]

  gabriel and there and is that right no [TS]

  symbols no symbols there's one of those [TS]

  Peter Gabriel albums that has no [TS]

  symbols but that put that into your [TS]

  thought machine for a second [TS]

  hmm he's he said you know about Solsbury [TS]

  Hill he says I'll show that show that [TS]

  Phil Collins yeah there are several [TS]

  allowed there at all [TS]

  no no jacket required I fucked it up now [TS]

  general the last throat let's go through [TS]

  it again more like no symbols required [TS]

  am i right no symbols funk on back [TS]

  no symbolism rainbow I've never met [TS]

  rainbow I feel like know he was dead [TS]

  before we came along but I feel like [TS]

  there was there's enough problems you [TS]

  know [TS]

  14 but for Peter Gabriel there that one [TS]

  of the problems was too many symbols and [TS]

  his answer was no symbols which has 16 [TS]

  during that's extreme I could do with [TS]

  your symbols i think i would like here's [TS]

  what i'd like to do I'm going to Donald [TS]

  Trump here from now on every time you [TS]

  are you about this i want twice as much [TS]

  floor tom and half as much symbol that's [TS]

  wonderful i'm going to get even harder [TS]

  i'm gonna give you an algebra problem [TS]

  yeah I like you a lot more floor tom [TS]

  here's what I'm going to say take the [TS]

  floor tom and the symbols away here's [TS]

  what you got kick drum snare okay that's [TS]

  the end allowed to sit down [TS]

  yeah we can get it kick drum snare class [TS]

  our own go for it go for it Phil Collins [TS]

  he did kill it [TS]

  no he lied he would you know I've come [TS]

  around a little bit on him [TS]

  I don't think there's a I don't think [TS]

  you can hate on Phil Collins even though [TS]

  you absolutely can hate on some of his [TS]

  choices [TS]

  well i think also my god is that like [TS]

  jeff tweedy I think he's probably a [TS]

  stand-up dude [TS]

  yeah i heard in my wait wait don't tell [TS]

  me what we don't tell me I heard him on [TS]

  some NPR show any sound a sound totally [TS]

  charming [TS]

  yeah he might be a bastard yeah in [TS]

  addition to being totally charming but [TS]

  that's never stopped us from liking some [TS]

  life is hard on people John it's [TS]

  complicated [TS]

  he never should have covered you can't [TS]

  hurry love don't don't don't don't don't [TS]

  don't [TS]

  I just wish he hadn't done that I wish [TS]

  they could get a little alien I mean [TS]

  that definitely falls into the category [TS]

  of problematic my attic but that little [TS]

  shy [TS]

  yeah sure it was all so awful but [TS]

  but there it was you know like I don't [TS]

  that the whole here's the here's a [TS]

  question for you [TS]

  here's the thing about Phil Collins how [TS]

  is it that Peter Gabriel for all of his [TS]

  eccentricity never made a novelty song [TS]

  but like Phil Collins made a half a [TS]

  dozen novelty song all interesting and [TS]

  like the the biggest dire straits hit [TS]

  clearly a novelty song yeah right like a [TS]

  lot in the eighties a lot of novelty [TS]

  music was right up there on the charts [TS]

  but Peter Gabriel for all of his like [TS]

  why the purple / hammer Wang with like [TS]

  it's not a novelty song somehow right [TS]

  like everybody introduced a topical song [TS]

  like something about the Ayatollah or [TS]

  something yeah like on the evening news [TS]

  he never said bubbles bloomin on the [TS]

  evening news [TS]

  yeah he can't believe what I'm seeing [TS]

  Tom leather leggings and a spy support [TS]

  our True Jackson Hole I mean even [TS]

  shocked them i mean shock the monkey is [TS]

  one of the darkest fucking songs that [TS]

  ever was [TS]

  mm um some games without frontiers he's [TS]

  got a lot of issues but uh you know it's [TS]

  not like Roy Wood doing christmas songs [TS]

  know and it's not like all confused John [TS]

  probable ball that's what the world is [TS]

  today [TS]

  hey no no well no that's not you can't [TS]

  do that [TS]

  music novelty songs to go i don't know i [TS]

  guess i think more of like you know and [TS]

  check out the draw or something like [TS]

  that i think i think that being like a [TS]

  like a bit like snooping the red baron [TS]

  or something that that's not a great [TS]

  song [TS]

  uh right around Snoopy and the Red Baron [TS]

  is a great song it was it was right up [TS]

  there on the charts but what would you [TS]

  say came and tried a diamond on what [TS]

  that's right would you say [TS]

  that sugar sugar was a novelty song oh [TS]

  boy it was right up against it doesn't [TS]

  em but it was such a green song that's [TS]

  the question like like when when bands [TS]

  do a like an idiomatic song when Billy [TS]

  Joel does like like doo wop it's not [TS]

  novelty I'm gonna bring you around i'm [TS]

  gonna bring around Billy Joel so are in [TS]

  the sunset grill know what god man and [TS]

  woman when Billy Joel those doo-wop it's [TS]

  not novelty because I'm so in Billy Joel [TS]

  like it's it's more novelty when Billy [TS]

  Joel isn't doing doo-wop what about how [TS]

  about this one now without Heidi [TS]

  princess maker don't know count on oh I [TS]

  had a novelty song they change it enough [TS]

  and but I mean the name the name is bad [TS]

  that's a pond but they change it yeah [TS]

  you should never name a song with a punk [TS]

  also as I i often council my kids until [TS]

  you really know what you're doing [TS]

  never make more than one joke at a time [TS]

  mhm right so your maker and the joke is [TS]

  that it's kind of like a slightly reggae [TS]

  ish [TS]

  well what how will people know this song [TS]

  oh yeah lets up and around [TS]

  oh but I read the news and it told me [TS]

  and that's a look at you that's so good [TS]

  but I never heard what I feel like [TS]

  locate let me let me ask you this when [TS]

  the hollies did long cool woman in a [TS]

  black travel oh yeah is then because [TS]

  that's not their normal sound absolutely [TS]

  i'll all bossy and raise you what about [TS]

  a hand heavy he's my brother [TS]

  that's not what I mean that's that's [TS]

  fine but like to me the stuff that [TS]

  nobody knows anymore today I mean you [TS]

  get stuff like what the obvious like bus [TS]

  stop carrie Ann like any of the like [TS]

  truly classic like Holly stuff and but [TS]

  also how do you do long cool woman in a [TS]

  black dress and the air that i breathe [TS]

  the air that is meeting [TS]

  the and I mean that's into your cocaine [TS]

  rock that's so cocaine e but long cool [TS]

  woman it's like such a great rock song [TS]

  but you want it to be should be selling [TS]

  it should be like a ccr songs yeah [TS]

  exactly it's like in a style that that [TS]

  is that should be some way somebody else [TS]

  right it's like yeah the air that I [TS]

  breathe should be a song by uh what was [TS]

  the promisee bread bread that's how are [TS]

  you thinking of [TS]

  no America mm I'm everything is America [TS]

  or bread you know how I feel about [TS]

  America don't I don't I I feel like [TS]

  America's so like if you took the lyrics [TS]

  of America [TS]

  hmm let's say well here we are we're [TS]

  back in the day plants and birds and [TS]

  rocks and things a bearing hub America [TS]

  are still in Europe there the two [TS]

  friends that met it that the American [TS]

  School in Paris or whatever however this [TS]

  whatever their foundation stories which [TS]

  is something like that right they met in [TS]

  there were two Americans who were with a [TS]

  rich kids they were still they were they [TS]

  met in Europe ok and they were it was [TS]

  some kind of thing where they were in [TS]

  prep school or some there are some [TS]

  reason they were both in Europe and they [TS]

  met there and then but they were [TS]

  Americans and they wrote these songs [TS]

  that sounded like Los Angeles [TS]

  mhm anyway if I special yeah especially [TS]

  a certain canadian that was living in [TS]

  which is correct if you could go back if [TS]

  you could take me back to them and say [TS]

  let uh you guys hey a song sound great [TS]

  let me let me take a look at those [TS]

  spiral-bound notebooks let me just go [TS]

  over these lyrics with you for a second [TS]

  right right right anything else just you [TS]

  let's just do a quick second pass on his [TS]

  lip if you could just give you put me [TS]

  there and give me those notebooks and [TS]

  just let me comb through them and just [TS]

  take out the alligator lizards in the [TS]

  air [TS]

  they're in the air just let me just [TS]

  change that same melody same like in the [TS]

  air hook but just let me take alligator [TS]

  lizards out and replace it with [TS]

  something else that has other words you [TS]

  know I mean like I don't want to change [TS]

  anything except put other words and and [TS]

  every one of their songs has a moment [TS]

  like that where you're like I'm [TS]

  listening this I'm going through the [TS]

  desert on a horse with no name [TS]

  yeah it's so good to get out of the [TS]

  first thing I met was a fly with a buzz [TS]

  and the sky with no clouds the heat was [TS]

  hot and the ground was dry but the air [TS]

  was full of sound [TS]

  mm-hmm let me just take one pass at that [TS]

  yeah all right just give me one pass [TS]

  you'll get a coffee and come back and [TS]

  I'm just gonna work Smith this a little [TS]

  bit you know what you're not even gonna [TS]

  notice who enter highway and it doesn't [TS]

  fucking chance but it's gonna make it is [TS]

  going to make no sense in a way that's [TS]

  more amusing [TS]

  yeah when the days are longer and the [TS]

  nights are stronger than moonshine [TS]

  mm let me just I just we can just get in [TS]

  there just one time just comb through it [TS]

  really walk through the metaphors the [TS]

  analogy I mean if you really walk [TS]

  through it what do you come up with it [TS]

  because you don't really go anywhere [TS]

  with these right there just think it's [TS]

  like saying oh she was as beautiful as a [TS]

  pile of paper will be like okay that's I [TS]

  guess that's a metaphor but like what [TS]

  like it just doesn't go anywhere [TS]

  yeah she was as beautiful as a pile of [TS]

  paper haha it's exactly yeah thatthat [TS]

  you know America you can use that and I [TS]

  am I feel like they really I their songs [TS]

  are really good i I'll fight anybody [TS]

  I'll fight anybody that says sister [TS]

  golden hair is a degree that's a good [TS]

  tune but you can't give me a bunch of [TS]

  a.e I will not stand there and defend [TS]

  the lyrics of sister golden hair at all [TS]

  i would i would agree with you I if it [TS]

  was just if it was just the lyrics I [TS]

  would I would I would say out i'm [TS]

  definitely i'm not going to fight [TS]

  against them in this forget to remember [TS]

  come back remember you can do magic you [TS]

  can do magic equipment that's America I [TS]

  think it's a big comeback circa 283 what [TS]

  yeah you know darn well oh I know the [TS]

  tune I just didn't realize it was [TS]

  America that's America when you cast [TS]

  your spell you will get your way when [TS]

  you hypnotized with your eyes a heart of [TS]

  stone can turn to clay doot-doot-doot of [TS]

  stone can turn to clay and if that [TS]

  happened metaphorically what would that [TS]

  mean it means you're gonna need to see a [TS]

  fucking cardiologist really soon [TS]

  mmm heart so sister golden hair the [TS]

  reason I reference it is it is Oksana [TS]

  get so close em right like first the i [TS]

  just looked it up here so i can quote ok [TS]

  i tried to make it sunday but I got so [TS]

  damn depressed that i set my sights on [TS]

  monday and i got myself undressed [TS]

  I think that's pretty good that's pretty [TS]

  good c plus Dylan right there as a [TS]

  lyricist honestly like I would like that [TS]

  absolutely go it's got a nice structure [TS]

  to its gotten in right he got so damn [TS]

  president aside somebody I ready for the [TS]

  altar but I do agree there's times when [TS]

  a woman sure can be a friend of mine [TS]

  let's roll that back alright oh and i [TS]

  would take another I take another slice [TS]

  at it but it's not a Windsor right it's [TS]

  a lyric right there [TS]

  they're always gonna be lyrics that are [TS]

  like but it's not to win see here we go [TS]

  into the course well I keep on thinking [TS]

  about you sister golden hair surprise [TS]

  surprise it's got flow though it does [TS]

  but i would just surprised could be a [TS]

  lot of things there because he's setting [TS]

  it up to say the surprise is only there [TS]

  to set up and I just can't live without [TS]

  you can't you see it in my eyes that [TS]

  rhymes and that's not so bad but [TS]

  surprise you gotta wiggle it a little [TS]

  that doesn't golden hair surprise that [TS]

  isn't good enough [TS]

  yeah and here's a this is a great lyric [TS]

  i love this layer I've been one poor [TS]

  correspondent and I've been to too hard [TS]

  to find Lana sounds [TS]

  but it doesn't mean you ain't been [TS]

  brought my mind line and now all the [TS]

  sudden Carl Wilson comes flying in a [TS]

  jetpack the shitty shitty chorus will [TS]

  you may be in the middle [TS]

  will you meet me in the air no we got in [TS]

  the middle Whitney in the air will you [TS]

  love me just a little just enough to [TS]

  show you care [TS]

  that's how much you want to be loved [TS]

  yeah just like meeting you in the air [TS]

  yeah and so that's where the that's [TS]

  where the record scratches and you say I [TS]

  let you get away with golden hair [TS]

  surprise [TS]

  yeah but you're that was your Mulligan [TS]

  America [TS]

  yeah you're not hearing you're not [TS]

  meeting her in the air that's not where [TS]

  you meet people [TS]

  I'm going to co-opt I i look at that [TS]

  don't I go I bet the original lyric was [TS]

  will you meet me in the middle will you [TS]

  meet me in the end I bet that was the [TS]

  original because that's what it wants to [TS]

  be it was that he will you meet me in [TS]

  the middle even God Merlin you're [TS]

  absolutely right that's what it should [TS]

  be [TS]

  we will be just a little just enough to [TS]

  help me bend or just enough to not [TS]

  pretend oh god you're saving careers can [TS]

  be in the middle [TS]

  will you meet me me and will you love me [TS]

  a little but we're just doing a poor job [TS]

  just enough to not pretend we have a [TS]

  skype jam in awhile and so so there it [TS]

  is you know and that is the song of [TS]

  their catalog that has the best lyrics [TS]

  it's the it's the best jumping-off point [TS]

  and we just saw said this is their [TS]

  lonesome death of Hattie Carroll really [TS]

  just really just just line after line of [TS]

  me [TS]

  magnifique well you know you know the [TS]

  great story of the new young song what [TS]

  we all we all think it says we don't [TS]

  think it says the long enough to repay [TS]

  it but old enough to sell whatever looks [TS]

  cool see I'm always about the yeah yeah [TS]

  hmmm I'm not going now man you forgot [TS]

  the to repay but young enough to sell [TS]

  yeah that's right that's the lyric yeah [TS]

  and what it turns out that song [TS]

  yeah but it turns out the actual lyric [TS]

  is not old enough to repaint which is [TS]

  the greatest lyric but old enough to [TS]

  repay I always heard repay oh you did [TS]

  repaint it would be better it's such a [TS]

  good line old enough to repaint and [TS]

  young enough to sell boom you just wrote [TS]

  the greatest miracle of all time [TS]

  haha but he wrote are old enough to [TS]

  repay and young enough to sell which is [TS]

  like okay alright it's complicated but [TS]

  maybe unnecessarily so but that's not [TS]

  what you just not just so much not as [TS]

  good and you almost wish that the first [TS]

  time somebody said oh that's nice old [TS]

  enough to repaint that he just then this [TS]

  isn't something Neil Young whatever do [TS]

  but if he just SAT there for a second [TS]

  and nodded and said yeah thanks [TS]

  and then immediately set about really [TS]

  like crossing off repay and writing [TS]

  repaid on everything and just hope [TS]

  nobody ever notices got the resources [TS]

  you can put out a high bitrate he cannot [TS]

  but I feel like he probably heard that [TS]

  he probably heard that within a week of [TS]

  writing it and I i think that i think [TS]

  i've read a thing where he said you're [TS]

  right that is a better lyric ice type is [TS]

  done this type has famously change [TS]

  lyrics because you like other people's [TS]

  versions better and that's what I'm [TS]

  saying like he heard it he agreed it was [TS]

  better but then he did that Neil Young [TS]

  like he just chuckled and said oh well [TS]

  anyway no moving on to the next song [TS]

  gave an African know and and yeah he [TS]

  probably said like our kids are boring [TS]

  i'm not going to Paris stupid babies [TS]

  Heidi to send ago to fucking when we get [TS]

  in this know [TS]

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