Roderick on the Line

◼   ► hello how are you hello Merlin I'm late

◼   ► again it's alright i'm usually late to

◼   ► everything so this is my just deserts

◼   ► are you you seem like a late person it's

◼   ► not that I'm late it's that it's that I

◼   ► don't get there on time okay and that's

◼   ► because I don't leave the house with

◼   ► enough time to get where I'm going and I

◼   ► don't think that's the same as being

◼   ► late

◼   ► I think that's I think that is a that is

◼   ► a big question that has more to do with

◼   ► like how you perceive space and time so

◼   ► it's it's more of a science problem

◼   ► yes yeah i mean the thing i was in order

◼   ► for you to be late you would have to

◼   ► have some interest in other people i

◼   ► think how what would that be like I

◼   ► don't know honey this book probably

◼   ► wikipedia it's been like if you were

◼   ► late you would be kind of conscious of

◼   ► the fact that there are other people

◼   ► that had things you need to do and I

◼   ► don't think you and I suffer from that I

◼   ► think that the results a lot of people

◼   ► back there constantly thinking like how

◼   ► will this house affect other people

◼   ► right who cares is my first time they

◼   ► assume that they think that I wouldn't

◼   ► know

◼   ► yeah right well other people right there

◼   ► the problem I'll clearly uh-huh yeah I

◼   ► mean you know should be a breeze

◼   ► you know for all the all those other

◼   ► people well this is the thing I'll i

◼   ► leave the house if I have somewhere to

◼   ► go I leave the house in plenty of time

◼   ► to get there if there weren't other

◼   ► people clogging the roads necessitating

◼   ► stoplights right if there were not other

◼   ► people clogging the roads there would

◼   ► not need to be stoplights so I'm talking

◼   ► coming here your roads by roads i have a

◼   ► sense of how long it takes for me to get

◼   ► from hearsay to the University of

◼   ► Washington and that takes nine minutes

◼   ► but if there are other people on the

◼   ► roads which there so often are then it

◼   ► takes anywhere from 15 to 20 minutes

◼   ► which is infuriating so i usually leave

◼   ► here with nine minutes just despair

◼   ► sometimes 10 if I if I feel like I wanna

◼   ► take a stroll in my car and the building

◼   ► uh-huh

◼   ► it's never enough time people people

◼   ► related delays I i struggle with it i

◼   ► used to be eternally late person and I

◼   ► spent many a years of my life with a bus

◼   ► or a partner who was the top permanently

◼   ► late like just crazy like you're

◼   ► supposed to be there at dinner for six

◼   ► people and you arrive like as deserves

◼   ► being served like offensively late and I

◼   ► became sensitive about it because I felt

◼   ► badly and something it's her but that's

◼   ► just that was like that was a you know /

◼   ► flaw and I was a flaw that i shared and

◼   ► together it was terrible

◼   ► that's so a lot of relationships get

◼   ► weird right you're both terrible at the

◼   ► same thing and now I'm really sensitive

◼   ► about it but i'm not i haven't gotten

◼   ► that great at it i feel like i do what

◼   ► you do i think is I in my head I got an

◼   ► idea of the greatest conceivable time

◼   ► I've ever made to do this yeah right you

◼   ► must understand why you have done

◼   ► yeah right like you're in your big blue

◼   ► van you're driving around you gotta go

◼   ► from place to place show to show you

◼   ► must have some idea in your head

◼   ► well it would never take more than five

◼   ► hours to get to austin one time I made

◼   ► it in two hours so therefore up I'd be

◼   ► there about an hour-and-a-half yeah you

◼   ► may not do that cuz you gotta do it for

◼   ► your job but like I feel like I do that

◼   ► all the time I think oh I've got time to

◼   ► get a coffee or I've got time to go stop

◼   ► by the office into this thing right

◼   ► animal case why the time to sleep for 20

◼   ► more minutes and take a stroll

◼   ► i'm very curious about something you

◼   ► said a moment ago which is that that to

◼   ► people who have the two people with the

◼   ► same that they do the same things badly

◼   ► that's how relationships can we get

◼   ► weird that that a that resonated with me

◼   ► and ethical to experience

◼   ► I'm not sure I I think I mean I hadn't

◼   ► thought about it but I i would still

◼   ► just this moment it's never occurred to

◼   ► me that I did anything bad in any of my

◼   ► relationships no I think that's a core

◼   ► competency for yeah exactly i'm now I'm

◼   ► wondering right wow I always thought it

◼   ► was that she did everything bad now I'm

◼   ► starting to consider the possibility

◼   ► that maybe yeah when the colts not

◼   ► making sailboats right they say look we

◼   ► were the cook people we make the coke

◼   ► let other people make the sailboats why

◼   ► would you try to sell cool right yeah

◼   ► yeah

◼   ► oh just saying I think the cocaine

◼   ► people do make sailboats

◼   ► oh sure and like brats prop planes

◼   ► yeah well or at least they say

◼   ► reengineer sailboats second i should

◼   ► think about this more but there's

◼   ► probably something to it

◼   ► I always felt like if you could well the

◼   ► good things that would be terrible

◼   ► different things is a good idea but I've

◼   ► always believed that you should both be

◼   ► able to mostly put up with the same

◼   ► stuff I think that's helpful but the

◼   ► problem is like for example if you're

◼   ► both messy then there's never any

◼   ► countervailing force to make the

◼   ► housetop being messy it becomes

◼   ► synergistically messy right but the

◼   ► problem with that is if one person is

◼   ► messy and one person's clean then you're

◼   ► out war in a different way

◼   ► I mean I I felt this about about

◼   ► introversion and extraversion because as

◼   ► I think you and I have talked about this

◼   ► but i'm i'm a very introverted person

◼   ► despite being a an entertainer and for

◼   ► many years I thought the pan entertainer

◼   ► did you snicker at entertainer I find

◼   ► extremely entertaining but being

◼   ► especially when you're off stage but now

◼   ► it is very introverted part no no I'm i

◼   ► think i am an introvert and and that the

◼   ► definition i use the description i use

◼   ► of that is that if you if you find a

◼   ► room full of people no matter how much

◼   ► you're enjoying the experience are

◼   ► enjoying their company if you find a

◼   ► room full of people ultimately draining

◼   ► and you want to and you need to get away

◼   ► and get a loan in order to recharge

◼   ► okay then you're an introvert and

◼   ► compared to somebody who finds a room

◼   ► full of people invigorating and they

◼   ► hate to be alone and they want to be in

◼   ► other people's company and they find

◼   ► that they find that's how they charge

◼   ► their batteries

◼   ► uh-huh that's my definition ok it takes

◼   ► a little self-serving no I mean I i

◼   ► would want to hear a little how you

◼   ► contrast that with a like a psychotic

◼   ► loner or sociopath mclonergan sexy i'd

◼   ► say that that person was an introvert

◼   ► also sure but in any case I transferred

◼   ► it had tried for a long time to only

◼   ► date other introverted people because i

◼   ► was tired because i didn't like

◼   ► extroverts making demands on my time and

◼   ► space but i found that one year in a

◼   ► relationship even with another

◼   ► introverted the person who is most

◼   ► introverted becomes the introvert in the

◼   ► relationship and even another

◼   ► introverted will exhibit extroverted

◼   ► tendencies in relationship to the other

◼   ► person right so that so this in this

◼   ► person who would normally be like Oh

◼   ► leave me alone I kind of just want to be

◼   ► by myself is suddenly in the posture of

◼   ► like why don't you ever want to do

◼   ► anything or why don't you ever want to

◼   ► just hang out and why don't we ever move

◼   ► it seems got on a molecular level it

◼   ► seems like there should be some kind of

◼   ► cancelling out going on with you got a

◼   ► very messy person who is with a very

◼   ► clean person I think I i think the

◼   ► molecular science would say that

◼   ► therefore you would have an average

◼   ► clean house

◼   ► yeah place of it i think they practice

◼   ► that's not the case

◼   ► yeah relationship and human beings

◼   ► consistently fail to be some scientific

◼   ► you know like it and that's the problem

◼   ► with psychology psychology keeps for 450

◼   ► years as presented itself as a science

◼   ► and there's really no there's no

◼   ► demonstrable proof that any of it is is

◼   ► working it's just it's just a lot of

◼   ► just a lot of jabber jaws you think it's

◼   ► a lot easier to get some and make a

◼   ► make-believe science

◼   ► no I don't know if it's a science as

◼   ► much as it is like well so where's the

◼   ► line between a psychologist and a

◼   ► minister

◼   ► hmm alrighty that's the ash had a

◼   ► secretary

◼   ► yeah that's the psychologist is is is

◼   ► using the same techniques of talking and

◼   ► listening to her but there but they're

◼   ► undergirding it with some sense that

◼   ► they have a scientific tool box there

◼   ► listening but they're listening with a

◼   ► scientific tool box rather than

◼   ► listening with compassion or something

◼   ► and I said what you mean are you saying

◼   ► you're saying that there but you're

◼   ► talking about like a clinical soar like

◼   ► a practicing psychologist as opposed to

◼   ► like a scholarly psychologist you're

◼   ► saying how is that different from a

◼   ► minister and minister is somebody who

◼   ► comes in and is a as a student of the

◼   ► mind and the heart to try and give

◼   ► people comfort and so you're talking

◼   ► psychologists more like in terms of like

◼   ► a therapist like somebody who would help

◼   ► you feel better

◼   ► well but what is what is what is a like

◼   ► an academic psychologist if not a just

◼   ► someone teaching practical psychologists

◼   ► i guess i don't know I'm hmm it seems it

◼   ► seems to me that that there for for many

◼   ► many years the the whole premise of the

◼   ► mental health industry was based on a

◼   ► reading of Freud and people spent

◼   ► decades saying that a lot of the lot of

◼   ► women's insecurity was based on the fact

◼   ► that they had penis and B and then one

◼   ► day we decided that that was not true

◼   ► uh-huh in fact it was silly but we

◼   ► didn't we didn't throw the the Freud out

◼   ► with the bathwater now and now we think

◼   ► that you know everybody has you know

◼   ► that people's Institute

◼   ► 30 is based on I don't know what my god

◼   ► they're the book stores are full of the

◼   ► most of their shelves of books talking

◼   ► about your insecurities and the root

◼   ► causes of it was funny those if you go

◼   ► back you look at Aristotle or Descartes

◼   ► her are a lot of those heavy hitters

◼   ► back in the day people who laid the

◼   ► groundwork for obviously philosophy but

◼   ► really also for science I mean it's not

◼   ► what we would call science today but but

◼   ► back then philosophy was was I think

◼   ► seen as part of science it was a way of

◼   ► understanding you know how the mind

◼   ► works how the universe worked and it

◼   ► seems like a lot of it was based on

◼   ► these physicalities things like

◼   ► eventually come to me things like humors

◼   ► and stuff like that but there were all

◼   ► these like Theodoric of York kind of

◼   ► ways to explain based on the physical

◼   ► things like what why the mental things

◼   ► happen and the funny thing with the

◼   ► fried stuff is it seemed to more and

◼   ► more yeah you could say well this

◼   ► woman's the reason this woman is

◼   ► hysterical from the Greek is because she

◼   ► has a uterus so clearly she's crazy if i

◼   ► had a universe i would be hysterical to

◼   ► sure and she wants a wenis on top of it

◼   ► that's awkward you know but it's funny

◼   ► because now we're back around to the to

◼   ► the to the body stuff where it is it is

◼   ► very much it seems to be much more about

◼   ► pipes and wires

◼   ► yeah it's just a black bile is rising up

◼   ► dinner right

◼   ► what about you call now I get confused

◼   ► because because i think i've read too

◼   ► many reviews of REM albums early mm

◼   ► there's some words rhyme not shifting

◼   ► bodily humors are ways of describing a

◼   ► meadow

◼   ► so you not know that the quick pop quiz

◼   ► bee call it was because be colic one of

◼   ► the memories no bucolic is like a

◼   ► pastoral setting up my second line as

◼   ► your pastoral is not humor no okay no

◼   ► problem attic automatic is yes that's

◼   ► the phlegm

◼   ► what about birds ask birds ask yelling

◼   ► like that style of the birds

◼   ► no I think that's in the same family as

◼   ► bucolic ok it's birds ask

◼   ► you know that's the thing is I I

◼   ► understand what everybody wants to

◼   ► explain everything I think you could

◼   ► argue that you and I i would also like

◼   ► to try and explain everything but you

◼   ► know what it is with science its to tell

◼   ► the certainty I'm troubled by the

◼   ► certainty like to me good science should

◼   ► always be going but you know I could be

◼   ► wrong

◼   ► yeah I am see I'm guilty of that I'm

◼   ► guilty of using psychology to explain

◼   ► myself and other people with a with a

◼   ► with a fair degree of certainty and I

◼   ► think I think I keep in the back of my

◼   ► mind the the constant idea that i'm i'm

◼   ► just guessing but I don't always let the

◼   ► other person o.o i think i think that

◼   ► what I'm saying is just a theory

◼   ► I say it as though i really believe that

◼   ► it's true

◼   ► what's the point that's good writing

◼   ► good writing exactly

◼   ► good good writing is you know is I'm

◼   ► habit the viewpoint that's correct

◼   ► that's correct

◼   ► mmm yeah yeah but I'm sitting across

◼   ► from somebody saying you know your

◼   ► fucking problem is yes it's a little bit

◼   ► harder for them to see that i'm just

◼   ► playing a character and in this case

◼   ► it's the character of somebody who knows

◼   ► what they're fucking problem is that's a

◼   ► good point it is it's it's def a good

◼   ► point sense of that is a really big

◼   ► problem with you

◼   ► uh-huh yeah but I think it's a problem

◼   ► with the with the world i mean like i

◼   ► say i'm not necessarily that's the

◼   ► second one just for curious what's your

◼   ► problem with you

◼   ► yeah but no one is a problem i really

◼   ► mean opportunities to ya opportunities

◼   ► take exciting interrupting John how's

◼   ► that how is that a problem with the rest

◼   ► of the world haha

◼   ► the problem with the rest of the world

◼   ► is the rest of the world is not

◼   ► listening carefully to me now the

◼   ► problem is that the there are a lot of

◼   ► people who put their their dumb theories

◼   ► down advance their dumb theories in

◼   ► their dumb books but they don't in order

◼   ► to sell a book you don't say on the last

◼   ► page but maybe everything i just wrote

◼   ► is just a dumb theory that I

◼   ► what up so I think for yourself love the

◼   ► author is not that much money in saying

◼   ► but I could be wrong right so so so

◼   ► these books go out and and gullible

◼   ► people read them and they think oh now I

◼   ► know and they don't know anything

◼   ► yeah or you know or or what it is again

◼   ► it's a toolbox and and and it's only as

◼   ► good as the carpenter your toolbox is

◼   ► only as good as your carpenter ii the

◼   ► same toolbox that psychologists

◼   ► listening with I just

◼   ► hey how a little piece of paper here i

◼   ► wanna make sure I'm keeping all these

◼   ► straight but I think I think I think

◼   ► it's problematic

◼   ► I think all this is problematic I think

◼   ► more people should be like John Roderick

◼   ► and and just say that it a thing is a

◼   ► thing but on the other hand i'm also

◼   ► have my motto

◼   ► yes chuckling that's right service work

◼   ► is the thing that troubles me I think

◼   ► with a lot of this the science stuff is

◼   ► it's not science

◼   ► I mean anybody who's out there doing

◼   ► straight science a lot of them are well

◼   ► first of all they probably working on

◼   ► boner drugs a lot of them got them thank

◼   ► God but they but I mean if you're doing

◼   ► straight science you really are doing a

◼   ► kind of you know existential improv

◼   ► we're trying to stop you're seeing what

◼   ► happens you're saying well here's what

◼   ► we know and part of being a good

◼   ► scientist it seems to me is to be able

◼   ► to go away I but here's the thing we

◼   ► said but here's that doesn't mean all

◼   ► these other things there's not this ergo

◼   ► thing that I because I said that then

◼   ► necessarily all these other things with

◼   ► that way the exams feels like good

◼   ► science says a very specific thing based

◼   ► on evidence in context and I feel like

◼   ► the context gets left out you know and

◼   ► this is why so much of the quote-unquote

◼   ► research that you hear on you know in

◼   ► newspapers and NPR is is so goofy a lot

◼   ► of the time the first of all it's been

◼   ► it's been strained and drain through all

◼   ► these different sources and a lot of

◼   ► times i bet the people who conducted the

◼   ► primary research we go how in the hell

◼   ► did this ever become like don't use

◼   ► aluminum pans anymore

◼   ► yeah right i don't know if that's true

◼   ► but like I don't know what psychology

◼   ► stuff it's hard and it seems like it's

◼   ► almost like what like optometrists and

◼   ► Dennis and stuff it's like

◼   ► chiropodist thank you the further you

◼   ► are from like serious science the more

◼   ► serious we become the more you demand of

◼   ► course the height of this being phd's

◼   ► demanding that they be called dr. right

◼   ► yeah right for bastards call somebody

◼   ► with a PhD dr arrogant bastards yes I

◼   ► think it right on the diploma

◼   ► I feel like real scientists are people

◼   ► who are combining baking powder and

◼   ► vinegar and making volcanoes and as you

◼   ► as you stray from that core science

◼   ► original science of volcano

◼   ► manufacturing it just gets into fruity

◼   ► pebbles out there in every direction and

◼   ► at and in all honesty I think that

◼   ► adulthood is a process of becoming

◼   ► comfortable with ambiguity and i know

◼   ► this about you that you are comfortable

◼   ► with a certain amount of ambiguity

◼   ► yeah i know i was i was trying to trying

◼   ► to be nice to draw on that out i know i

◼   ► know you're not comfortable with

◼   ► ambiguity but I aspire to be comfortable

◼   ► with a certain amount of ambiguity

◼   ► because i know that i know that much the

◼   ► life that I perceive is really a

◼   ► television show that I've been living in

◼   ► since I was a little kid and so I don't

◼   ► want to get caught masturbating because

◼   ► you're an introvert well being an

◼   ► introvert is not easy it's really not

◼   ► know and I know a lot of the people

◼   ► listening to this podcast are introverts

◼   ► because that is by definition who

◼   ► listens to podcasts people who like to

◼   ► hear other people's voices only through

◼   ► their car stereo speakers right rather

◼   ► than having people sitting in the car

◼   ► with them talking to them know where you

◼   ► come up with this stuff

◼   ► it's it's just a theory um I think in

◼   ► some ways the people who are most loudly

◼   ► saying things like in our case we're not

◼   ► where we are scientists of a kind I

◼   ► imagine you know scientists sizes and

◼   ► not in the sense of science but in a

◼   ► sense of the you know a social

◼   ► intercourse

◼   ► yeah we're sky interests we know person

◼   ► that's good that is that is good where

◼   ► blue sky and tests we understand that

◼   ► should be we understand how people

◼   ► should behave we understand the the like

◼   ► Mitzi and best of all possible worlds

◼   ► that should exist

◼   ► yeah we're actually just here to help

◼   ► where the pan gloss overs playing

◼   ► glossary so I got nothing

◼   ► the odd so the problem is that sometimes

◼   ► with people who put things most most

◼   ► strongly but you know what

◼   ► it's part of the I think you got your

◼   ► copy this the contrarian screed the road

◼   ► where if you can find you know invented

◼   ► sarcasm if you are if you can find any

◼   ► hole in any of it doesn't matter whether

◼   ► you agree with it or not you just got to

◼   ► go explore the whole if you don't mind

◼   ► my saying and i think that's that's a

◼   ► big part of it is is you might your i

◼   ► might say the most ridiculous bombastic

◼   ► thing in the world

◼   ► just just to say that thing but then

◼   ► you're okay arguing about and eventually

◼   ► going home you know maybe it is this

◼   ► other thing and what bugs me is the

◼   ► personal brand stuff we're like you're

◼   ► not allowed to you know if you're gonna

◼   ► be on brand you're going to be that guy

◼   ► who put out that useless book or you're

◼   ► going to be this person who's putting

◼   ► out this useful study that like you're

◼   ► going to be harmed if anything about it

◼   ► is shown to be incomplete inconsistent

◼   ► or untrue and then your whole world

◼   ► falls apart because you know what I mean

◼   ► look and that's the thing is they now

◼   ► you're dug in

◼   ► now you guys gotta defend that until

◼   ► he's dead I feel like in a way that's

◼   ► true that's true of liberalism now or

◼   ► that's true that's true of the whole

◼   ► liberal half of this country who are so

◼   ► on brand and over the years the brand

◼   ► has changed and every new addition to it

◼   ► the the Liberals feel like they need to

◼   ► embrace it and and anonymous eyes it and

◼   ► after a while the brand is so ungainly

◼   ► itself rife with internal contradictions

◼   ► that liberalism has become meaningless

◼   ► or if not meaningless at least it's it's

◼   ► a it's it's a multi-headed Hydra that

◼   ► can't possibly live it can't possibly

◼   ► subsist and he contrasted against

◼   ► conservatism which is just as balkanized

◼   ► but this isn't just some clear this is

◼   ► not going to be coming with the tea

◼   ► party right

◼   ► oh you don't want to talk about the Tea

◼   ► Party is a bridge to the tea party

◼   ► no I wasn't trying to bridge by where I

◼   ► don't interrupt you better this is you

◼   ► know this stuff is on my mind liberalism

◼   ► is on my mind I don't really give a fuck

◼   ► about the tea party right

◼   ► what I care about is liberalism and how

◼   ► to find some kind of liberalism that's

◼   ► that's that's that's livable and I feel

◼   ► like I feel like the Liberals that I

◼   ► know there are so many things so many

◼   ► tenants of liberalism that are off the

◼   ► table for talking about anymore because

◼   ► they're part of the brand you can't

◼   ► how comes almost becomes a little bit

◼   ► religious world absolutely wall that's

◼   ► all that's holding the family together

◼   ► right now is our belief in the wizard

◼   ► and there's these things is that if we

◼   ► if we start if we start trying to take

◼   ► out all the in essential parts of this

◼   ► or figure out what's debatable about

◼   ► what we'll discover is that everything

◼   ► that's left of liberalism today is a

◼   ► reaction to conservatives there's very

◼   ► little we're basically we whoever

◼   ► considers himself liberal I just I'm so

◼   ► not interested in politics i can

◼   ► articulate and yet and yet

◼   ► ah i think it's very true though that

◼   ► basically were missiles are basically

◼   ► like slightly advanced children they're

◼   ► like protein agers in the sense that

◼   ► they know everything they don't like

◼   ► they don't know that much about what

◼   ► they like and they know mostly about

◼   ► when they don't want to sit at the lunch

◼   ► table with somebody who doesn't know you

◼   ► know what what what the cool little

◼   ► thing to do is

◼   ► yeah I think that's true of the mass of

◼   ► all ppl nets made liberals more

◼   ► conservative than conservatives that

◼   ► kind of that kind of and it's and you

◼   ► need to look no further than the city

◼   ► that I live in to see how conservative

◼   ► can mean a lot more than your feelings

◼   ► on the gold standard what it can really

◼   ► mean is how didactic or how what's the

◼   ► word how canonical as you like to say

◼   ► you can become about saying no no here's

◼   ► the thing reactionary if you like like

◼   ► no this is the this is how we do these

◼   ► things and differing from that is taking

◼   ► this off-brand as you would say and it's

◼   ► and it's you don't mean it's really

◼   ► becoming more about like defending your

◼   ► your little house of hay from the the

◼   ► big bad wolf

◼   ► it's less about building thing you want

◼   ► to make and more about just reacting to

◼   ► what the rest of the world does

◼   ► yeah i i'm i'm now as i hear you talk in

◼   ► clock to agree with you that we

◼   ► shouldn't talk about politics that's

◼   ► awful it's awful people just feel what

◼   ► it's like for you to listen to people

◼   ► talk about anything it's very it's very

◼   ► hard to be nice to meet them and talk

◼   ► about anything I I don't want them kind

◼   ► of say I'm really glad I don't have to

◼   ► do the books for you on this but i'm

◼   ► just guessing that many potentially most

◼   ► people have not consulted you on whether

◼   ► they are even qualified to discuss many

◼   ► issues

◼   ► yeah driving i'm gonna guess driving

◼   ► yeah I know you feel very strongly about

◼   ► driving i do and there are a lot of

◼   ► terrible drivers out there too many can

◼   ► I i was going to try and get back to the

◼   ► relationship think that's too late now

◼   ► the driving thing you seem to feel very

◼   ► strongly about driving i know several

◼   ► friends that and I've gotten the feeling

◼   ► from you that has to do with your

◼   ► Alaskan background i think at one time

◼   ► you said you offered to I think put a

◼   ► broom stick up my ass because i wanted

◼   ► to drive i don't remember the exact

◼   ► context it's probably phrase you is in

◼   ► parlance with your types

◼   ► yeah but you know you grew up in Florida

◼   ► where I mean the highest elevation in

◼   ► Florida is like three phone books

◼   ► stacked on top of one another

◼   ► yeah so how would we know we don't even

◼   ► have rulers so we don't even know how

◼   ► was that is in inches or whatever you

◼   ► want you know how to drive you just you

◼   ► point the car and then and then start

◼   ► I don't know giving yourself a manicure

◼   ► and then you're at the here at you

◼   ► you've arrived and let's eat oranges

◼   ► I'm in Florida telling me why I'm in

◼   ► Florida is that baked into the culture

◼   ► there you got the gas you

◼   ► the gas at the gas know it's coming out

◼   ► last days is a part of it but there are

◼   ► some terrible drivers in Alaska to know

◼   ► I feel like it's a driving is driving as

◼   ► much more it's it it's very easy to be a

◼   ► driver it's very hard to be a good

◼   ► driver

◼   ► you have to understand you have to

◼   ► understand a lot of things you have them

◼   ► you have to be able to bring a lot of

◼   ► things to bear and you have to have

◼   ► peripheral vision and you have to be

◼   ► looking 20 seconds ahead and all these

◼   ► all these things that get in the way of

◼   ► people you know jamming out to

◼   ► Bananarama or whatever it is that people

◼   ► do in their cars you can see what

◼   ► channel is it out the implication that

◼   ► almost nobody but you is able to do well

◼   ► is that no I see good driver sometimes

◼   ► I'll be driving along a guy i'll drive

◼   ► by or sometimes you gotta wait you have

◼   ► a way for a handshake or something but

◼   ► much more like mmm

◼   ► and then he looks over it goes me it's

◼   ► like being a tough guy where you can

◼   ► just look at somebody and go like that

◼   ► guy's wiry he could be an ultimate

◼   ► fighter like you see somebody driving

◼   ► you might you might see a lady in the

◼   ► store and just go i can just tell she's

◼   ► a good driver

◼   ► yeah you just you watch a person

◼   ► navigate through their environment

◼   ► because you would've gotten too far

◼   ► grocery store you could probably tell I

◼   ► at least I can just say and I don't want

◼   ► to I don't want to go into the things we

◼   ► go into sometimes but in my neighborhood

◼   ► it's very clear is not a good driver

◼   ► just go to the grocery store right right

◼   ► well it's very clear who's not a good

◼   ► person

◼   ► well if you can't navigate your way

◼   ► through a grocery store without

◼   ► inconveniencing other people know

◼   ► without without making yourself an

◼   ► obstacle should be a tribunal then

◼   ► you're a bad person there should just be

◼   ► there should be people there just taking

◼   ► you out of there

◼   ► I the Soylent Green people right i don't

◼   ► want my daughter this

◼   ► that's right well I don't even know if I

◼   ► want to eat that but i think i said to

◼   ► my daughter taught her this is the most

◼   ► important thing we must teach our

◼   ► children is the two rules of the grocery

◼   ► store you keep moving and you get out of

◼   ► the way if you know if you're not if

◼   ► you're not gonna keep moving

◼   ► get out of the way now here's what you

◼   ► need to get out of the way keep moving

◼   ► keep moving it out of the way that's a

◼   ► this is eight law everything you must

◼   ► know about the grocery store keep moving

◼   ► get out of the way if you can't do one

◼   ► to the other

◼   ► always always that should be that should

◼   ► be a t-shirt and and

◼   ► get out of the way should be I think

◼   ► what most people think of all the time

◼   ► and and even though i present as a

◼   ► fairly like as a fairly uh alpha

◼   ► personality let's say Who I am always

◼   ► thinking to myself do I need to get out

◼   ► of somebody's way you know i'm always

◼   ► looking in the rearview mirror I'm

◼   ► always walking around the grocery store

◼   ► answer the answer is not always yes on a

◼   ► variety of levels but the question is

◼   ► always there some people i don't get out

◼   ► of the way because they need to feel me

◼   ► in their way right moment anyway they

◼   ► don't realize that's right they don't

◼   ► understand it but it's good for them

◼   ► ultimately that I'm in their way but for

◼   ► instance I went to I went to a movie at

◼   ► an art house theater the other night and

◼   ► you know it's an arthouse it's a place

◼   ► called the Seven Gables in seattle

◼   ► average age of the of the people in this

◼   ► movie theater is 55 years old

◼   ► everyone is wearing some kind of

◼   ► Patagonia garment or some kind of thing

◼   ► from rei you know it's a very university

◼   ► audience of peanut butter carabiners

◼   ► some carabiners on people's keychains

◼   ► and they're there to watch a you know a

◼   ► small a smaller film not a widely

◼   ► released film and I swear to you there

◼   ► was more audience noise during this film

◼   ► which was a film about the Holocaust

◼   ► right i mean it's not a film that it's

◼   ► not like it's not a you get easily

◼   ► yelling at the screen in you know and

◼   ► I'm thinking to myself that this is let

◼   ► this audience is louder than the

◼   ► audience at a queen latifah film and

◼   ► it's because every person in the

◼   ► audience feels like they need to make

◼   ► some kind of some kind of audible

◼   ► response to every plot twists to every

◼   ► to every you know shocking moment

◼   ► everybody in the place has to go

◼   ► Oh mm oh yes oh

◼   ► well and you know and I felt like

◼   ► standing up in front of the screen and

◼   ► saying you people shut the fuck up like

◼   ► yeah you are this is not an audience

◼   ► participation film and you're you know

◼   ► the fact that you are grokking the the

◼   ► plot twist doesn't need to be punctuated

◼   ► with a little like a like a grown from

◼   ► you it's not different from what you're

◼   ► like you're in your grandparents yelling

◼   ► the answer on wheel of fortune

◼   ► well that's in the privacy of their own

◼   ► home but that right i mean that's the

◼   ► thing i mean you take a combination of

◼   ► the kind of like everybody gets to

◼   ► comment on everything aspects of the

◼   ► internet to find with the NPR honest of

◼   ► owning a lot of things from rei and and

◼   ► being used to be able to write letters

◼   ► to the new york times you go into a

◼   ► theater with that that's a deadly

◼   ► cocktail my friend

◼   ► yeah and I can't cause it was the x-men

◼   ► movie what was it the holocaust movie

◼   ► members there was the x-men movie have

◼   ► the whole you betcha she anything that

◼   ► has the Holocaust all go see is that

◼   ► right and what was that one about the

◼   ► Israeli it's kind of like a Munich

◼   ► except i was good about the the most sad

◼   ► agents who

◼   ► Oh kill the bird who go to to kidnap the

◼   ► Mengele type doctor and they i won't

◼   ► give the Indiana spoilers no spoilers

◼   ► but see this gets us to a deeper problem

◼   ► John it's a much broader problem it's

◼   ► what ultimately wifey Rattray depression

◼   ► which is that nobody knows how to stand

◼   ► in line if you had to bring it down to

◼   ► one thing

◼   ► well the one thing is we don't really

◼   ► know how to act around people anymore

◼   ► but the theater and all comes together

◼   ► in the theater the theater is the worst

◼   ► of humanity jammed into a room with

◼   ► sticky floors and it's everything on of

◼   ► the grocery store and grocery store

◼   ► might be worst if there was a grocery

◼   ► store that had a movie theater that

◼   ► would be the worst the absolute worst of

◼   ► humanity

◼   ► it wouldn't be able to get your seat and

◼   ► people would be yelling this is a hell

◼   ► of a business model i think this this

◼   ► grocery store movie theater thing this

◼   ► like as a punitive thing it's like a

◼   ► beer pub pizza parlor movie theater

◼   ► except you're actually giving shopping

◼   ► done to you so you can have like Arsenal

◼   ► beers you come in you get if you can

◼   ► find your table first forget the foyer

◼   ► table you get past this lady here who is

◼   ► really do

◼   ► what about getting her free sample man

◼   ► i'm kind of explain something to you hi

◼   ► this is my daughter I hope she sees the

◼   ► age of four

◼   ► my concern is that if you and the rest

◼   ► of the sand people do not move away from

◼   ► the tiny bits of sausage on toothpicks

◼   ► I will literally die in a dirty safeway

◼   ► standing behind somebody cheap and

◼   ► that's just not how I see this ending

◼   ► while ghostbusters 3 is playing on bom

◼   ► bom-bom that would be good when I took

◼   ► my daughter to one movie and it was

◼   ► excruciating

◼   ► I can't believe what is happening is

◼   ► this is a dumb like cliche but it's a

◼   ► unbearable to go to the movies setting

◼   ► aside the eighty dollars that cost the

◼   ► two of us to see Winnie the poop

◼   ► it was awful everything about it was

◼   ► awful the the commercials before the

◼   ► trailers were awful the trailers were

◼   ► awful to move it was all awful

◼   ► yeah and like you say it's like a queen

◼   ► latifah thing like everybody's yelling

◼   ► yelling and yelling stuff and talking

◼   ► and playing with their phones

◼   ► yeah well you know I think what it is is

◼   ► that sometime when we were kids the the

◼   ► school curriculum was still based on the

◼   ► premise that we were trying to beat the

◼   ► Russians to the moon even though we we

◼   ► already beat the Russians to the moon we

◼   ► were still reading those same math books

◼   ► we we wanted to get to the moon and we

◼   ► wanted them not to get to them yeah

◼   ► right we want to get a lot of work a lot

◼   ► of your face but then somewhere there in

◼   ► the in the seventies the allen all the

◼   ► vacation of America happened and

◼   ► suddenly everybody was an artist

◼   ► nobody was a nobody had a slide rule

◼   ► anymore nobody was trying to get us to

◼   ► the moon now everybody now everybody was

◼   ► free to be and we were all our little

◼   ► hearts needed to be set free and we

◼   ► needed to talk about our feelings and

◼   ► everybody needed to share and now we

◼   ► live in a we live in a nation of 350

◼   ► million of the most important people who

◼   ► ever lived

◼   ► nobody can wait in line nobody can admit

◼   ► for a second that maybe in the grand

◼   ► scheme of things they are a peon

◼   ► and they need to shut the fuck up and

◼   ► get in line and do their jobs and get

◼   ► out of the way of better drivers who are

◼   ► on their way to someplace and only have

◼   ► nine minutes to get there i think that i

◼   ► finally understand it ok it's really

◼   ► it's a problem with at least two levels

◼   ► this is the second level is that that

◼   ► the people are in your way

◼   ► they're making take way more than 9

◼   ► minutes you're not going to get the

◼   ► chance to have a walk or a nap there in

◼   ► John's way if i understand correctly the

◼   ► first much more broad problem we're

◼   ► never gonna get the problem to ensure we

◼   ► get the problem one is that people are

◼   ► literally not being forced to literally

◼   ► listen to you because you could that's

◼   ► part of the problem is people are

◼   ► getting kinda say John I think people

◼   ► are getting a mixed message and the

◼   ► mixed messages there are people besides

◼   ► John they're giving them advice if any

◼   ► advice and that your what you have to

◼   ► share with them is getting lost and

◼   ► missed all the voices and talking about

◼   ► feelings for her to say that is fair to

◼   ► say except that with the caveat that I

◼   ► don't really care if they're listening

◼   ► I just want them to be quiet while i'm

◼   ► talking you know if they are just

◼   ► sitting there just just dumb we watch it

◼   ► really got the movie it's the movie is

◼   ► it really the movies you

◼   ► the funds are talking during you there

◼   ► talking during me or there fidgeting

◼   ► even during me they should just be

◼   ► content if they if they can't understand

◼   ► what I'm saying they should just watch a

◼   ► dust mite floating floating through the

◼   ► air or something but they need no I

◼   ► think we need to return to us don't know

◼   ► what it is and I don't 15 model of like

◼   ► rulers on the knuckles we got a whole

◼   ► room full of kids that need a lot of

◼   ► learning

◼   ► please don't distract from that if you

◼   ► can if you cannot sit in your seat and

◼   ► listen to what John has to share with

◼   ► you then maybe me know what we will move

◼   ► down to the the room with the helmet

◼   ► kids because this is for people who are

◼   ► serious about life there's a phrase for

◼   ► this can i think and it and it isn't

◼   ► just it's not John centric the phrase is

◼   ► good citizenship sure good citizenship

◼   ► is listening to John yes

◼   ► I i said this to lots of people when

◼   ► they annoy me but I think there's a

◼   ► misconception also about the idea of

◼   ► etiquette or good manners and you go

◼   ► pick up any good book on etiquette or

◼   ► good manners and it will tell you this

◼   ► is not about yelling at people about

◼   ► where the fork is good manners and

◼   ► etiquette are about making other people

◼   ► feel at ease the whole reason that we

◼   ► have manners and we have etiquette is so

◼   ► that you don't have to feel

◼   ► uncomfortable about knowing which fork

◼   ► is for the shrimp it's not about

◼   ► browbeating people about which for the

◼   ► used incorrectly and I think that's a

◼   ► big part of the problem i think we're

◼   ► gonna get hung up we get hung up on all

◼   ► the what the rules part are without

◼   ► understanding why the rule existed and

◼   ► and and what's nice about rules as

◼   ► everybody agrees on what they are and

◼   ► then you get on with life and

◼   ► unfortunately now we we we got so

◼   ► fixated on the fact that the rules were

◼   ► based on on a bad system the rules were

◼   ► based on were imposed by by European

◼   ► colonialists or or imposed by rich

◼   ► people and that in principle was bad the

◼   ► rules favored the colonialists they

◼   ► favor the rich people but more

◼   ► importantly just the fact even the rules

◼   ► that were good that there were that were

◼   ► neutral the fact that they had come from

◼   ► these these bad people these oppressive

◼   ► people was enough to make 2222 not only

◼   ► question the rule but to assume that the

◼   ► rule was bad

◼   ► interesting that perhaps rules

◼   ► altogether are a bad idea because that's

◼   ► a fallacy central conceit of the

◼   ► colonial government

◼   ► well except that everybody's got rules

◼   ► look the so it's not the rules are no I

◼   ► don't think anybody assumed except for

◼   ► anarchists ends and people on 4chan I

◼   ► don't think anybody thinks that rules

◼   ► are bad it's just that they want to they

◼   ► want to make their own set of rules they

◼   ► want to make the rules they want to they

◼   ► want to cobble together some rules from

◼   ► the things that their parents told them

◼   ► that they didn't resent some of the

◼   ► crackpot ideas that they read in some

◼   ► magazines some things that came to them

◼   ► in a dream and one or two arbitrary

◼   ► things just to make other people

◼   ► you know just like keep people jumping

◼   ► and then people walk out of the door and

◼   ► they're like these are my rules and

◼   ► everybody get out of the way you know

◼   ► and and and it may sound like that's

◼   ► what i'm doing but that's not what I'm

◼   ► doing it all again that you're doing it

◼   ► at a much deeper level my rules are are

◼   ► my rules are ancient i'm using ancient

◼   ► rules

◼   ► mhm yes but i can't my rules can't

◼   ► compete with somebody who read the

◼   ► secret because Oprah told them to and

◼   ► now they've got a bunch of rules based

◼   ► on the secret that starts to really

◼   ► degrade the whole idea of what the rule

◼   ► is you know that at the point when you

◼   ► introduce that much magical thinking I

◼   ► gotta tell you buddy i think i think

◼   ► he's moving get out of the way I mean

◼   ► that's nothing for inflation rules that

◼   ► is you know that they really is it's

◼   ► like a sort of one of those rules like

◼   ► flush you know what flush

◼   ► it's okay flush right that's a good rule

◼   ► if it's yellow

◼   ► don't let it throw not seriously don't

◼   ► dumb if it's yellow flush that's your

◼   ► money away

◼   ► sure monic flush yeah that's it but if

◼   ► you live in a tree house is a cone

◼   ► these are these are things that we're

◼   ► passing on to our children you know if

◼   ► you make a mess clean it up you know if

◼   ► you read my if you're if you read mark

◼   ► twain all this is in there if you read

◼   ► if you read Hemingway it's all there

◼   ► yeah flush right i mean if Hemingway

◼   ► doesn't have a short story titled flush

◼   ► well he doesn't but he should have and I

◼   ► think I think that messages

◼   ► it's threaded through its thread through

◼   ► all cultures right right that it's

◼   ► difficult to not be able to get

◼   ► directions and you should flush I think

◼   ► it's there that's the old man and the

◼   ► sea right so you know it's have sympathy

◼   ► for men because it's sometimes hard to

◼   ► get an erection

◼   ► that's right that's that's one of the

◼   ► top ten rules Andy taciturn I mean why

◼   ► do you think I mean they're men get a

◼   ► bad rap but it's hard to be a man from

◼   ► women me well know from men to from you

◼   ► know these men that

◼   ► that is again so that's a no on all the

◼   ► thing or fleece thing I think it's an

◼   ► allen all the thing you could be I mean

◼   ► please PLEASE came directly from Alan

◼   ► Alda huh

◼   ► please there was no fleece before Alan

◼   ► Alda you know I would I captain I don't

◼   ► know I wouldn't want to Calais no don't

◼   ► please don't use that word fallacy

◼   ► it's a it's got a dick right in the

◼   ► middle of it is that one of John were

◼   ► sisters word hates you get introduced me

◼   ► that guy may have met him he won't

◼   ► remember me but you gotta eat sounds

◼   ► like you guys are pals from the tree got

◼   ► any drum loops from that guy was really

◼   ► neat rom lives being pals with jon

◼   ► wurster is it's more difficult than it

◼   ► looks really well jon wurster is a very

◼   ► little monkey

◼   ► he's an extremely funny and extremely

◼   ► intelligent person who has carved a life

◼   ► for himself in rock and roll which is a

◼   ► world of morons and so jon wurster has

◼   ► done what a lot of smart people in

◼   ► rock-and-roll has done which is he's

◼   ► he's very careful not to he doesn't like

◼   ► put streamers up and balloons up just

◼   ► because you say something funny to him a

◼   ► couple of times you know he's not like

◼   ► oh my god hi be my friend you know use

◼   ► the heel height what did you do

◼   ► how'd you get in there who me yeah I

◼   ► wouldn't even I wouldn't even say I was

◼   ► in there I mean we we did a tour

◼   ► together and when and we like each other

◼   ► but it's there just announced to know I

◼   ► know he was playing drums in the jay

◼   ► farrar ben gibbard Jack Kerouac based

◼   ► side project band and I did I i did a

◼   ► tour with them

◼   ► that's right but I think jon wurster and

◼   ► I even though now we've known each other

◼   ► not you know known each other for a

◼   ► couple years we're still in the the the

◼   ► friendly circling stage where we say oh

◼   ► hello you

◼   ► yes well there you are arched eyebrows

◼   ► yeah like snitches care after yeah

◼   ► there's a little bit of cheer sniffing

◼   ► and it's not i I don't I never I do not

◼   ► approach someone like jon wurster with

◼   ► the expectation that he is going to

◼   ► appreciate

◼   ► that i am one of the greatest living men

◼   ► see this is another one that that's the

◼   ► problem the problem again with my better

◼   ► but in his case of with somebody like

◼   ► jon wurster I don't you know I don't I

◼   ► don't consider a problem because jon

◼   ► wurster probably when he's lying in bed

◼   ► at night also suspect that he may be one

◼   ► of the greatest living men and there's

◼   ► not a lot of room in town for too many

◼   ► greatest living men you can't have that

◼   ► many of them in the same small western

◼   ► town or there's gonna be a gunfight

◼   ► absolutely the pity of it is that

◼   ► because of the nature of this challenge

◼   ► is you'll never be able to have a

◼   ► benefit to help these men because first

◼   ► of all you all of you guys hate playing

◼   ► benefits but second of all the people

◼   ► who need it the most

◼   ► the men who are asking themselves these

◼   ► questions the men to men who are the men

◼   ► who are asking mi of a caliber of

◼   ► somebody who would want to hang out with

◼   ► me i think i think you're not always

◼   ► getting the help you need let alone the

◼   ► audience just don't know how you do that

◼   ► I don't know you hate playing benefits

◼   ► you be very you don't hate plan benefits

◼   ► I think you should be very clear about

◼   ► you hate had a sort of the hypocrisy of

◼   ► not paying the band for benefits and I

◼   ► have to imagine the John washer doesn't

◼   ► like people either

◼   ► yeah i mean i don't hate not being the

◼   ► band for benefits i just hate paying

◼   ► everybody but the band for benefits

◼   ► right i mean that what i wrote that

◼   ► article for the weekly just saying hey

◼   ► if you're if it's a benefit then

◼   ► everybody should work for free if it's a

◼   ► benefit and all the production people

◼   ► and the promoters are getting paid

◼   ► ya know just to clear their money aware

◼   ► this may be the third or fourth time are

◼   ► is heard it but I would see you

◼   ► republished it in the weekly after after

◼   ► having run it several times in my

◼   ► kitchen 5 i've read this particular

◼   ► article on numerous occasions before it

◼   ► was ever in whatever print is now I

◼   ► think the version but that I that I

◼   ► wrote in your kitchen was the was the

◼   ► best version it had a lot more efforts

◼   ► and i had to water it down for a lot of

◼   ► water there's a movie called rules of

◼   ► the game and sports i hope not

◼   ► it's a very old mostly read more but i

◼   ► always get the name wrong that is great

◼   ► quote from a movie

◼   ► the awful thing about life is this

◼   ► everyone has his reasons and I I for

◼   ► some reason I find that quote kind of

◼   ► Intel apply to google to get the exact

◼   ► wording right but the awful thing about

◼   ► life is this everyone has his reasons

◼   ► and I think that's a lot of what you're

◼   ► saying I think everybody has their

◼   ► reasons this is not a value judgment but

◼   ► i think i think the person who's

◼   ► standing in the middle of the fucking

◼   ► aisle while I just want to get some

◼   ► fucking pasta I can see it it's right

◼   ► there I could see it i could see the

◼   ► brand i got the kind i want the thing i

◼   ► don't want the vermicelli and I want the

◼   ► fat one in between I could see it right

◼   ► there but you know what you're standing

◼   ► there you're saying because you're

◼   ► having some kind of little little moment

◼   ► now I've got my reasons which is that

◼   ► i'm correct and i have a child I need to

◼   ► feed ya have limited amount of time that

◼   ► I would rather not spend staring at the

◼   ► back of your fucking head while you

◼   ► smelling room I could die here behind

◼   ► you

◼   ► yeah now that person probably has there

◼   ► is no their reasons are probably wrong

◼   ► to testifying a little bit i think but

◼   ► but but go on

◼   ► well not nothing I don't think

◼   ► internment away before no no I don't

◼   ► think you're being dramatic of course

◼   ► you couldn't marry again being very

◼   ► even-keeled yeah I and that person wrong

◼   ► as the reasons are probably does have

◼   ► their reasons i doubt they have thought

◼   ► it through as thoroughly as i have and i

◼   ► doubt that they feel the certainty in

◼   ► their black heart yet i have in my very

◼   ► uh kind of off-white one

◼   ► yeah I don't think better off without

◼   ► flat-band get away from her

◼   ► I'm afraid nothing off white is a color

◼   ► you she's not sure that that's a pretty

◼   ► good name for something wrong color for

◼   ► a heart

◼   ► I don't know I don't know I just the

◼   ► thing is I'm here putting that decision

◼   ► I have a version of that same idea and

◼   ► it's a paraphrase I don't remember who

◼   ► said the original thing probably yet or

◼   ► or one of the great men of history one

◼   ► of the one of the men like me right and

◼   ► I don't when I say man I don't mean to

◼   ► exclude women now I just it's pretty

◼   ► much man

◼   ► I trusting I just like to include women

◼   ► under the overarching category of men

◼   ► right men men kind including women

◼   ► supinator students and that sort of

◼   ► frequently come out in the terms and a

◼   ► dependent clause that probably could

◼   ► have been mostly left out

◼   ► yes well you're gonna bleep all that

◼   ► anyway but uh but but the idea that i

◼   ► carry around is that everybody is have

◼   ► a difficult day like if you are having a

◼   ► difficult day you can pretty much rest

◼   ► assured that everyone else is also

◼   ► struggling to get through today and get

◼   ► home and do whatever they do and it is a

◼   ► it is it's a kind of shorthand that

◼   ► keeps me in an empathetic posture even

◼   ► surrounded as I am by morons and tools

◼   ► to know that they also are struggling

◼   ► and that they're that the fact that they

◼   ► are a moron only makes it harder for

◼   ► them and it increases the this up my

◼   ► sympathetic feeling so that I don't

◼   ► resort to murder also double murder or

◼   ► justifiable homicide or or even just

◼   ► steaming I mean my biggest problem in

◼   ► life it's steaming I spend so much time

◼   ► steaming and and I frankly my broccoli

◼   ► is limp from over steamed king- uh-huh

◼   ► but i but seriously I just can't turn it

◼   ► off

◼   ► there's no no the house just like valve

◼   ► right now Merlin I swear to you I am

◼   ► feuding with a half a dozen piece of

◼   ► people and at least four of those six

◼   ► people don't know that we're in a feud

◼   ► I'm sitting here steaming about

◼   ► something steaming and there blindly

◼   ► going about their lives talking about

◼   ► knowing this AR the constant source of

◼   ► steam

◼   ► yeah yeah I'm pissed at them for

◼   ► something generally it's that I'm pissed

◼   ► at them because they didn't they owe me

◼   ► a phone call made and now it's too late

◼   ► now when they call I won't accept the

◼   ► call because they screwed up somehow and

◼   ► that's steaming is no good you know

◼   ► that's

◼   ► I should go to an Alcoholics Anonymous

◼   ► meeting and talk about those who don't

◼   ► do that don't do that

◼   ► I I i just want to point out one thing

◼   ► I'm not saying I'm not saying that

◼   ► because we are both right everybody has

◼   ► to be wrong because i'm not going to

◼   ► actually say that that's valid I think

◼   ► that's you can apply that if you have

◼   ► half a fucking brain

◼   ► I don't need to say that because that's

◼   ► gonna make us look bad but you should be

◼   ► able to pick that up that's a ok but

◼   ► here's the thing this is B and this is

◼   ► what you and I have in common and most

◼   ► people need to get in common with us is

◼   ► what we're not saying that what you're

◼   ► doing is wrong per se accepted as much

◼   ► as it is wrong it's just more that what

◼   ► we're saying is that our paths that we

◼   ► are introducing to you keep moving and

◼   ► get out of the way it helps everybody

◼   ► there's nothing about I defy you as one

◼   ► of the people who needs our help to say

◼   ► you show me one part of keep moving and

◼   ► get out of the way that harms people

◼   ► right

◼   ► nothing well think about it does it's a

◼   ► Hippocratic it doesn't know only of

◼   ► moving and get out of the way is that

◼   ► you can continue to do your stupid

◼   ► thinking within the context of either

◼   ► moving or getting out of way

◼   ► take your time you can you could be full

◼   ► of your own stupid thoughts

◼   ► yep and yet also be either moving or out

◼   ► of the way

◼   ► yep and so that cart turns yeah yeah I

◼   ► what we I think we've reduced it now to

◼   ► the the colonel

◼   ► yes and I have to say trying to think

◼   ► about the grand unification theory this

◼   ► is the thing about Stephen Hawking boy

◼   ► if if his grand unification theory or

◼   ► whoever comes up with that final grand

◼   ► unification theory that that that unites

◼   ► macro physics with microbiology and it

◼   ► doesn't include keep moving or get out

◼   ► of the way it cannot be exclusive of

◼   ► keep moving or get out of the way right

◼   ► because that is a that is a core truth

◼   ► and so that truth should also be present

◼   ► in the the in in orbiting bodies large

◼   ► and small

◼   ► it's absolutely true and i can remember

◼   ► it's a theological theological argument

◼   ► design it's one of those arguments it's

◼   ► one of those arguments we're getting you

◼   ► no good god must exist because he not

◼   ► the ontological but like as because

◼   ► God's cool it's one of those it's to

◼   ► Descartes thing I don't make us because

◼   ► God's cool that they can I came from

◼   ► actually from st. Thomas Aquinas region

◼   ► originally but he I think improved on it

◼   ► here's the thing though this is what the

◼   ► Liberals need the liberals don't have

◼   ► this first far they lack are cocksure

◼   ► sense of certainty right they sometimes

◼   ► are sure but they very seldom put the

◼   ► cock in it and that is part of the

◼   ► problem

◼   ► ok now here's the other thing with the

◼   ► pocket that's another record that's

◼   ► that's true that's well I don't know

◼   ► Hawking talking doesn't work blue very

◼   ► much

◼   ► here's here's the problem and this is

◼   ► this go straight to the Hawking I think

◼   ► it's straight to the movies and straight

◼   ► to the Liberals is that is that if

◼   ► you're going to have this supernal

◼   ► approach to things we are basically

◼   ► walking around like open everything

◼   ► turns out okay and don't question

◼   ► anything you could do a lot worse than

◼   ► to make your your your Bureau your kind

◼   ► of BS political belt and Chong you could

◼   ► do a lot worse than making it about keep

◼   ► moving and get out of the way and in

◼   ► fact if I could take it in turn it

◼   ► briefly i think that is the message that

◼   ► most of these people in place need to

◼   ► hear which is you my friend need to

◼   ► either keep moving or you need to get

◼   ► out of the way and possibly both

◼   ► right well the message the problem with

◼   ► the flow with the fleece people is that

◼   ► they they have they taken it as their

◼   ► responsibility to speak on behalf of all

◼   ► the people who they believe cannot

◼   ► either keep moving or get out of the way

◼   ► because of some disadvantage that these

◼   ► other people have or because of the fact

◼   ► that they simply need an advocate and

◼   ► the police people are the self-appointed

◼   ► advocates of all the great many people

◼   ► who either cannot keep moving or get out

◼   ► of the way and the the problem is that

◼   ► there is no one who cannot either keep

◼   ► moving or get out of the way it's not

◼   ► hurting anybody except you keep moving

◼   ► and get out of the way the fleece people

◼   ► as soon as they hear that they think

◼   ► well what about the people who can't

◼   ► keep moving

◼   ► right without our people without ever

◼   ► examining the fact that those people

◼   ► that you are supposedly quote-unquote

◼   ► defending could actually benefit to

◼   ► begin with from both keeping moving and

◼   ► getting out of the way but also you know

◼   ► what maybe they don't need somebody who

◼   ► shops at whole foods to help explain

◼   ► their life to other people

◼   ► well that and that's what we that's the

◼   ► problem we get into so now not only

◼   ► there's the original person who needs to

◼   ► lose either keep moving and economically

◼   ► and now there's meeting everyone

◼   ► now there's a person in there now

◼   ► there's a fleecy beardy person and his

◼   ► wife with that with the big hoop

◼   ► earrings and the Guatemalan purse she

◼   ► made the earring she's thinking of doing

◼   ► it as a business and they're standing

◼   ► there now they're standing there with

◼   ► the with the original person who should

◼   ► have kept moving or getting out of the

◼   ► way and they're they're trying to argue

◼   ► with you about how this person you know

◼   ► how they need an extra minute or how

◼   ► this person shouldn't be asked to you

◼   ► know they don't understand what you mean

◼   ► or and this I don't they saw something

◼   ► in the nation and with some statistics

◼   ► about both getting out of the way and

◼   ► keeping moving

◼   ► yeah there's a whole European influence

◼   ► from back in the you know 1,500 here you

◼   ► got a whole cortez the killer thing

◼   ► going on

◼   ► well the presumption is that that you're

◼   ► you you're getting out of the way of

◼   ► someone who's superior minutes it

◼   ► instantly becomes a Marxist problem yeah

◼   ► there's nothing to overthink your John

◼   ► does your dad is nothing to overthink

◼   ► this is this is empirical it's a priori

◼   ► yeah be safe to say that but you know

◼   ► that the police people will other police

◼   ► people would overthink

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