Roderick on the Line

Ep. 07: "The Compulsive Sherry Algorithm"


  hello hi John how are you hi Maryland's [TS]

  are you well her the man was my song for [TS]

  you know yet do you wanna ride on my [TS]

  John roundover got update that if you [TS]

  like it then you should put John nothing [TS]

  we should have somebody recorded [TS]

  versions of those songs and in fact i [TS]

  think given what I've discovered from [TS]

  having a podcast with you all I need to [TS]

  do is suggest that and by the time [TS]

  tomorrow rolls around there will be two [TS]

  studio recordings of those songs for [TS]

  Lynn man so you don't sit in our power [TS]

  of the powers of podcasting social media [TS]

  at large social media that's exactly [TS]

  that's exactly right social media social [TS]

  media [TS]

  yeah I have become very a enamored with [TS]

  social media because I understand now [TS]

  something about it that I didn't used to [TS]

  do you remember when I do you remember [TS]

  when I called you on the phone this is [TS]

  back when I used the phone and I said [TS]

  Merlin can you tell me why the long [TS]

  winters would need a website and you you [TS]

  laughed and laughed you left like you're [TS]

  laughing now that's like that's like Ben [TS]

  Franklin looking at trying to tell Ben [TS]

  Franklin why he might want an iphone 4s [TS]

  that iphone 4 there's a lot of [TS]

  technological dependencies that we would [TS]

  have to unpack when i'm imagining like [TS]

  reading off a card got like reading [TS]

  glasses on the end of your nose [TS]

  why would I little website am i [TS]

  pronouncing that correctly but you are [TS]

  you did you unpacked it for me over the [TS]

  course of many many many long hours of [TS]

  scheduling meetings to talk about it [TS]

  then we would have to reschedule but [TS]

  eventually you did explain why we why we [TS]

  needed a website and now fast forward [TS]

  several years and here i am a maven of [TS]

  social media and I do i use maven right [TS]

  I'm not sure I'm going to get that [TS]

  tipping point book and I i use those [TS]

  terms but I don't understand [TS]

  kind of me then yes I use them properly [TS]

  yes your your style maker you're like [TS]

  that definitely like a guy evoke you're [TS]

  like Andre tay the guy used to be on the [TS]

  show cindy crawford exactly what you are [TS]

  black gay guys vote get it was like [TS]

  getting this podcast and not already [TS]

  said big black gay guy [TS]

  well lucky i usually can constrain [TS]

  myself not now couple things about that [TS]

  second about you don't even need that [TS]

  site so much anymore which makes me sad [TS]

  i mean it's a bummer because now all [TS]

  this stuff that's happening you know is [TS]

  happening on all these other social [TS]

  media sites but first i'm wrong but [TS]

  nobody needs a website anymore i haven't [TS]

  moved beyond websites and we're in a [TS]

  post website world that brings me to [TS]

  part one in some ways which is I I don't [TS]

  remember talking to you about that [TS]

  because I say so many things [TS]

  yeah I remember I help you make your [TS]

  website beat i know i used to i just [TS]

  can't no I can't I can't like right now [TS]

  I'm sick i've got a virus i think i'm [TS]

  sorry No thank you but I mean I think I [TS]

  think what marijuana it does not make me [TS]

  interesting and into shreds my immune [TS]

  system so quickly [TS]

  mhm I'm just saying like nobody likes a [TS]

  paranoid guys coughing a lot [TS]

  well I mean less security [TS]

  yeah mmm yeah i got us onto the tea [TS]

  party already see how things back now [TS]

  here's the thing that way that I learned [TS]

  this when i used to have but we're like [TS]

  jobs and if you want if you want to do [TS]

  something well if you want to do [TS]

  something and you think it's a good idea [TS]

  obviously one of the things you must do [TS]

  is basically offered to do it yourself [TS]

  but if you get some some bonehead that [TS]

  you gotta convince is something you [TS]

  gotta make them think it's their idea [TS]

  and we have the the bone her and it's [TS]

  completely hypothetical John I say okay [TS]

  and so that's why i said to you that now [TS]

  i think the two parts is that you guys [TS]

  that you've got to show them I'm gonna [TS]

  make it seem like the idea but you also [TS]

  i think with you i think it's useful to [TS]

  show how something [TS]

  on the continuum potentially [TS]

  theoretically makes you more rather than [TS]

  less powerful and i suspect that the [TS]

  pitch that made you want to do this was [TS]

  control as you would control the message [TS]

  you you could decide what you want to [TS]

  look like you got you wrote your [TS]

  wonderful things for the site i suspect [TS]

  that's what it was and that's why i say [TS]

  i think it's kind of such a boring [TS]

  little just a few minutes okay let's say [TS]

  about this like this why this is why i [TS]

  like the Facebook thing like bothers me [TS]

  the twitter thing like you [TS]

  it's so ephemeral and there's really not [TS]

  that much incentive to try hard and then [TS]

  it kind of just goes away [TS]

  so yeah you get to control your [TS]

  messaging and like whatever you know be [TS]

  a big douche in front of people but you [TS]

  don't really own it and the way you deal [TS]

  with your insights oh so you but you [TS]

  were still using the Royal you you're [TS]

  not talking about me I'm always talking [TS]

  about you John are just too soon but [TS]

  whenever you hear anything positive i'm [TS]

  either i'm talking about your I am [TS]

  implicitly thank you because i don't [TS]

  like to be the douche in that analogy [TS]

  but but you know whenever I say anything [TS]

  about social medias you know that I'm [TS]

  being facetious do I i hope you do ya [TS]

  hear you're sick and it's making you a [TS]

  little impenetrable now see I'm not that [TS]

  sick I i only get like half a hotdog i'm [TS]

  having a mexican coke and i'm having [TS]

  some water and trying to recover on [TS]

  charges but I i tried to do it before i [TS]

  got on the phone call let go back to [TS]

  that I don't talk about peanut butter [TS]

  peanut butters become a very complicated [TS]

  topic and I have a lot to ask you about [TS]

  that it's huge around around here but I [TS]

  don't want to get into that because you [TS]

  literally kill people now with the [TS]

  peanut butter you know that will [TS]

  literally die [TS]

  Oh from people that don't have peanut [TS]

  allergies that's just one of the things [TS]

  that's what like one bullet on what [TS]

  let's let's go back to the peanut butter [TS]

  okay well and so the website thing [TS]

  though is that the social media thing is [TS]

  that you know I like social media like [TS]

  the idea of this thing where you can [TS]

  talk to people but like it should be an [TS]

  environment that's conducive to talking [TS]

  people talking to people you know like [TS]

  talking to people on twitter is weird [TS]

  it's it's [TS]

  you know I mean regardless of I mean if [TS]

  you if you have a relatively like modest [TS]

  number of followers and people you [TS]

  follow and you really are just there to [TS]

  talk to each other well I mean like oh I [TS]

  don't know why you wouldn't use aim or [TS]

  IRC or something for that but you know [TS]

  if you don't have a public conversation [TS]

  with somebody okay fine but but you know [TS]

  you have a full-service mm that's right [TS]

  that's right it's like that that the [TS]

  guise of additional husband she did a [TS]

  nice job with the singing by the way you [TS]

  hear that all of the sports and she's [TS]

  saying it to sing at the sports [TS]

  no I didn't see it you know what I'm not [TS]

  crazy about the way that she sings but [TS]

  she did great and you know she didn't [TS]

  show some goofy she didn't like [TS]

  christina aguilera and she didn't do the [TS]

  active think guys like shouldn't do any [TS]

  of that bullshit like she's saying the [TS]

  fucking song and it was pretty and I [TS]

  would just like to say to America if [TS]

  you're going to sing the fucking song [TS]

  make it pretty [TS]

  don't get around don't you come around [TS]

  that you know what shuck and jive go to [TS]

  go cover paid in full go have some fun [TS]

  that's a great song but in this case you [TS]

  know what I think we should start doing [TS]

  paid in full before a sports event [TS]

  well done master flattened ain't nothing [TS]

  but that the christina aguilera fication [TS]

  of the national anthem started with [TS]

  mariah carey she's the one who ruined [TS]

  everything right and and it has it has [TS]

  spoiled a list the start of sporting [TS]

  events for me which used to be a time of [TS]

  contemplation it's one of the few times [TS]

  you can enjoy a sporting events what has [TS]

  started you make a little if you make a [TS]

  little steeple with your hands [TS]

  who do you think haha yes sports and [TS]

  then you put your hand over your heart [TS]

  or you take your hat off and then now [TS]

  that somebody is like strangling a bag [TS]

  of cats [TS]

  oh and i think they're fucking Aretha [TS]

  Franklin yeah they're not stop doing [TS]

  that that's wrong [TS]

  I'm glad to hear that so i didn't i [TS]

  didn't mangle it but you know she's a [TS]

  classy lady she knows right now i know [TS]

  i'm just saying i just do you know if [TS]

  she's cute as a bug's ear but you know [TS]

  sometimes [TS]

  whoo-hoo anyway problem with social [TS]

  media for me I feel it is ruining my [TS]

  brain I I can actually feel my brain [TS]

  being ruined and the end of one of the [TS]

  complications is that I'm becoming I'm [TS]

  an old man now so my brain is it [TS]

  being ruined by every a dish additional [TS]

  day that it's on the earth right it's [TS]

  being bombarded with photons and and I'm [TS]

  losing for my Chris anyway but I'm gonna [TS]

  stand outside that's a Twitter thing [TS]

  that the losing it [TS]

  well it's a it's certainly a Twitter [TS]

  thing but it's also you know I if you're [TS]

  communicating it just in text based [TS]

  applications email texting tweets [TS]

  Facebook updates which I'm which I [TS]

  prefer to do i actually prefer it to [TS]

  just speaking to somebody but a problem [TS]

  with that is that I'm i get into all [TS]

  these I mean I'm gonna have a dozen [TS]

  crazy filled with people [TS]

  let's start you still steaming oh I'm [TS]

  just feeling with everybody feeling with [TS]

  gonna believe you I can't believe you [TS]

  let yourself be provoked into this thing [TS]

  so that's the thing i'm not even [TS]

  provoked into the most of the people [TS]

  that most of the people i'm feeling with [TS]

  have no idea i'm like Tom sharply I'm [TS]

  feeling with half the world and they [TS]

  don't even know that it's happening i'm [TS]

  so mad but it's it's it's just it's a [TS]

  it's some kind of reciprocal thing where [TS]

  I send out a text and I haven't I have [TS]

  some expectation of what the kind of [TS]

  text i want to get in return is and when [TS]

  i get a different kind of text when [TS]

  somebody writes back and goes fine or [TS]

  they say see there and what I was [TS]

  expecting was some kind of something [TS]

  different [TS]

  who then it plants the seed plants the [TS]

  seed and as for this gets the source of [TS]

  the steam the photons well it's the [TS]

  beginning of the photons team is that [TS]

  and and that's a that's a problem of [TS]

  physics right really photons team i [TS]

  don't know i don't i mean like you can [TS]

  take classes about water and your [TS]

  science i think that's best part of that [TS]

  you know you can just say another word [TS]

  plasticity and don't you know as you get [TS]

  all up in your young you know everything [TS]

  right turning turning into something [TS]

  it's like it's like if i don't know like [TS]

  if I'm a bomb back and like Andy Rooney [TS]

  just got all fucked up and then had a [TS]

  kid like that's me but sick you know and [TS]

  i'm turning our baumbach I fucking hate [TS]

  it but here's that's not so bad she died [TS]

  man she said you know she passed a while [TS]

  back she did a lot of people died that [TS]

  doesn't mean you're going to die [TS]

  Maryland [TS]

  I learned about that from malcolm [TS]

  gladwell from malcolm gladwell from [TS]

  uncle blood well I didn't three years [TS]

  knows I'm sorry I apologize no Malcolm [TS]

  Gladwell the Kantian hair fake here here [TS]

  yeah I know used in Canada you know over [TS]

  forty percent of everyone in canada will [TS]

  die and one that yes and apparently my [TS]

  friends in Canada by now and potentially [TS]

  could be going up all the time and um [TS]

  there's a long time and I warned this um [TS]

  i like most people in that from canada i [TS]

  wanted to a restaurant in Canada one [TS]

  time and that idea that well first of [TS]

  all you're absolutely right there are [TS]

  seven kinds of bacon in Canada but it [TS]

  was a Mexican restaurant and staffed [TS]

  entirely by anglo-saxon can come on they [TS]

  got it backwards from our thing [TS]

  it's weird no right we talked about this [TS]

  you get the Chinese filled with done by [TS]

  the Mexican people that you go up there [TS]

  you're telling me you go into a [TS]

  quote-unquote mexican restaurant in [TS]

  canada and it's populated by by like [TS]

  western parts of Canada it's absolutely [TS]

  true [TS]

  I thought hauling that's probably where [TS]

  even in washington state here as you [TS]

  move over the mountains as you go into [TS]

  the more rural parts of the of the state [TS]

  you don't have to go that far before all [TS]

  of a sudden it you know all of the jobs [TS]

  that in the city you you in the city [TS]

  these jobs have been held by immigrant [TS]

  populations for so long that you just [TS]

  you when you see a white teenage kid [TS]

  working one of the men working at one of [TS]

  these jobs it's a it's a shock to the [TS]

  mind because you you haven't seen you [TS]

  haven't see I told I tell you what you [TS]

  mean no she mean it gets kind of we [TS]

  talked about last time of the whole [TS]

  later we had worried that ignites take [TS]

  waiter it see it is it's disappearing [TS]

  tradition little man and he's a waiter [TS]

  it's a later thing he knows he knows [TS]

  he's a waiter it used to be not amazing [TS]

  and it used to be not amazing that a [TS]

  white kid would be pushing a broom in a [TS]

  restaurant but living in Seattle or San [TS]

  Francisco last time you saw a white [TS]

  teenager pushing a broom was the [TS]

  seventies nexus dad was hitting [TS]

  when I was in a hotel a few days ago and [TS]

  the housekeeper was a hundred percent [TS]

  like Caucasian only up shoes from [TS]

  Romania I better or Ukraine uh that [TS]

  would be hot [TS]

  I I guys seem that it was like an Air [TS]

  Marshal thing I figured there was some [TS]

  version of air marshals for hotels where [TS]

  she was kind of link undercover she was [TS]

  watching you are my hope so i dance-like [TS]

  she was watching you wait a minute and [TS]

  sing like no one could hear i can never [TS]

  remember that guy's name who said that [TS]

  somebody like baseball age as I can [TS]

  remember I was in a hotel in Romania one [TS]

  time and though and the UH the the maid [TS]

  housekeeper came in to change the sheets [TS]

  and she was wearing fishnet stockings [TS]

  and as she was changing the sheets so [TS]

  I'm sitting in the chair and she's [TS]

  changing the sheets on the bed and she's [TS]

  bending over at the waist to change the [TS]

  sheets on the bed and there's a and her [TS]

  fishnet stockings have up there is a [TS]

  portion of them in the upper back area [TS]

  where the stocking is a stocking part is [TS]

  ripped trips to the point of being [TS]

  missing entirely and I began to suspect [TS]

  using my powers of divination that she [TS]

  was a multi-purpose housekeeper [TS]

  ah IC but I was very busy at that time [TS]

  with a very busy i was very busy with a [TS]

  project of my own and so I shoot her way [TS]

  choo-choo she also i mean you know if [TS]

  that's something that's not bothering [TS]

  her i would guess i would guess that in [TS]

  a lot of guests have been in that [TS]

  particular piece of romania and I so i'd [TS]

  be super careful about that right well [TS]

  if this was a this was a very very [TS]

  off-the-beaten-path part of Romania [TS]

  right i think most of her normal guests [TS]

  were either other Romanians or german [TS]

  sex tourists the bush i hate everywhere [TS]

  to that and people mistake people [TS]

  mistake me for a german sex first when [TS]

  I'm overseas especially when you gotta [TS]

  Thailand with rolls of quarters [TS]

  well i just looked like one for some [TS]

  reason [TS]

  and when other when an actual german sex [TS]

  tourists see me in foreign countries [TS]

  they always like a beeline for me sidle [TS]

  up to it like so are you doing and why I [TS]

  don't know why I'm talking like a weird [TS]

  count chocula was tucking my always [TS]

  under my normal at all right I see Larry [TS]

  wonder what advice would you like to [TS]

  submit a boy I'd turned into a [TS]

  Transylvanian pimp but no thanks I'll up [TS]

  and i'm not even gonna try German accent [TS]

  store now and I don't german sex to [TS]

  recycling it was just stop it right [TS]

  there [TS]

  it's crazy it's crazy let's sit with [TS]

  them you know III you accidentally fine [TS]

  German Foreign sometimes I don't [TS]

  understand how babies ever get made [TS]

  because from what I can tell they hit [TS]

  each other and poop and then after the [TS]

  entire thing they don't know where so [TS]

  much so much poop and it's like you know [TS]

  I I don't want to see that and I i I've [TS]

  tried to put things in place where I'll [TS]

  see less of that but like you know you [TS]

  just gotta get comfortable with the fact [TS]

  that you're just going to see a lot of [TS]

  cocks and you know what I'm fine with [TS]

  that the big ol big old beaver what I'm [TS]

  trying to find a record by the kinks [TS]

  mine don't want I don't want I don't [TS]

  want to see a very important face like i [TS]

  don't and i can see that there's a lot [TS]

  of you know that phrase I can't unsee [TS]

  that who I used to hear that and wonder [TS]

  what the help more time but like what [TS]

  are you talking about appearing on the [TS]

  plan for 40 years there's nothing i want [TS]

  to unsee right because I've never been [TS]

  witness to a genocide or anything but [TS]

  the last six months I have started [TS]

  actually searching the internet not [TS]

  searching the internet but but trolling [TS]

  the internet in a way that I never you [TS]

  troubling are trawling em like ru ru has [TS]

  like some kind of a gill net thing [TS]

  you're doing are you literally walking [TS]

  around going [TS]

  your ass is fat justin bieber all-new [TS]

  show like that i'm not trolling it but [TS]

  you know I used to I used to just go to [TS]

  Wikipedia and read it all night and then [TS]

  you know and then I put some slippers [TS]

  and take a bath and now i'm actually [TS]

  going further out open you keep bringing [TS]

  up for Chan I think for chance at big [TS]

  unsee it kind of late and that's the [TS]

  problem I you are you looking for change [TS]

  on it doesn't make a lick of sense but [TS]

  it does because because I have [TS]

  iris you might have a virus you should [TS]

  check out the virus right now i have is [TS]

  a mac and they're impenetrable no no I [TS]

  mean in your brain [TS]

  I mean do you have a brain virus i want [TS]

  to come back to that because i think you [TS]

  get steamy photons and a lack of [TS]

  plasticity and i wanna talk about [TS]

  magical thinking so let me get back to [TS]

  that it was your on 4chan well-organized [TS]

  everybody's everybody's being silly that [TS]

  follows you know you you go from there [TS]

  out into this other this darker world [TS]

  and they're terrible things on the [TS]

  internet just terrible where I'm where I [TS]

  think to myself I do wish i had could [TS]

  unsee that now i wish i could unthink [TS]

  that idea because it is not it's an [TS]

  ideal you can sit and think about stuff [TS]

  you can think about the silence of the [TS]

  lambs and say oh but it puts the it puts [TS]

  the lotion on the skin but when you see [TS]

  people out in the world who are acting [TS]

  out these fantasies are you see you even [TS]

  even if the videos are fake and I saw a [TS]

  video the other day of a guy some one of [TS]

  these Mexican gangsters cutting a guy's [TS]

  head off with a chainsaw and the guy was [TS]

  still alive [TS]

  oh I what makes you click the button on [TS]

  that John well yeah because there's a [TS]

  part of me that does but here's why I go [TS]

  here's where testing your testing your [TS]

  boundaries that we had no it's not that [TS]

  it's that it's that that's that the idea [TS]

  of anonymous is very appealing to me [TS]

  because I feel like everything [TS]

  everybody's doing on the internet now is [TS]

  a form of look at me look at me like [TS]

  ever there are so many concentric [TS]

  circles of famous and everybody I mean [TS]

  literally everybody i encounter on the [TS]

  internet is trying to expand their [TS]

  circle of famous try next larger circle [TS]

  of famous I think you to do that to John [TS]

  Hodgman his wife 60 times so that's why [TS]

  i remember hearing that describes that [TS]

  it's that whole bridge the whole premise [TS]

  of just like yes you know follow me look [TS]

  at me [TS]

  here look what I did look what I did and [TS]

  so the idea of anonymous which is that [TS]

  people are doing something and there's [TS]

  no and there's no possible way for them [TS]

  to a crew same to themselves their did [TS]

  it appealed to me because I think [TS]

  maybe there's some genuine maybe there's [TS]

  some genuine material being a created [TS]

  that that that that anonymity wipes away [TS]

  some of the uselessness of what people [TS]

  are saying you even when i read [TS]

  something that's really good now i have [TS]

  to contextualize it in within the within [TS]

  the framework of this person said that [TS]

  in order to direct attention to their [TS]

  tumblr page which is directing you know [TS]

  which eventually they're going to try [TS]

  and sell ads on or something [TS]

  yeah no I'm i completely disagree about [TS]

  the first part III almost totally agree [TS]

  on the second part I think you're [TS]

  totally right and you can start again [TS]

  I don't remember is totally exhausted [TS]

  its totally exhausting and like I have [TS]

  some friends who really are [TS]

  uh I assume and ironically into all of [TS]

  this social whatever it is you know [TS]

  whatever i'm not that old guy i get like [TS]

  what a lot of this isn't fun and I'm [TS]

  kind of good at parts of it but like the [TS]

  whole like checking into foursquare [TS]

  thing and then you check into foursquare [TS]

  and then that goes on the Facebook and [TS]

  Facebook is on it's like it's you know [TS]

  it's bullshit all the way down and it's [TS]

  like pretty seems like where is what you [TS]

  know it's just you're constantly armed [TS]

  your ass is about to quit myself from [TS]

  twitter but I'm not gonna let you know [TS]

  you're constantly trying to find some [TS]

  way that like arm [TS]

  I mean everybody in some ways we know [TS]

  you want to be noticed and you want to [TS]

  be liked and you want to be admired [TS]

  but the I just want to be feared I don't [TS]

  I don't want to be liked or admired I [TS]

  just want to be feared [TS]

  you should cut off some dudes head with [TS]

  a chainsaw to be like yeah I could use [TS]

  instead of the myth because decency [TS]

  busters you could have a show we just do [TS]

  all kinds of hauling stuff always any [TS]

  investments [TS]

  yeah and you could happen you could go [TS]

  anywhere and be anonymous at all I [TS]

  haven't I am Otto determine sex to the [TS]

  anonymity [TS]

  mmm [TS]

  chocolatey ma good yeah here's watch [TS]

  this woman fall down and the first to [TS]

  eat poop [TS]

  yeah there's poop all over her now I'm [TS]

  going to kill her with now i have put a [TS]

  picture of the cat on her and they'll be [TS]

  like Arnold Schwarzenegger I don't have [TS]

  my accent it's completely gone to shit i [TS]

  have to i used to be so good at that [TS]

  I don't know do things that have filled [TS]

  me with fear in recent days and one is [TS]

  somebody posted a thing on my facebook [TS]

  page and i replied to it and they [TS]

  supposed to admit that they didn't send [TS]

  me a message right they had to post it [TS]

  on my page and i got a phone call 20 [TS]

  minutes later from somebody pissed off [TS]

  about some piece of information that was [TS]

  that some one confirmed piece of [TS]

  information that was posted by a [TS]

  relative stranger on my facebook page [TS]

  and I was like oh right this compulsive [TS]

  sherry algorithm that facebook is is [TS]

  that s ages for my card [TS]

  Sh ar e dash y yeah i would put this [TS]

  compulsive sherry algorithm says yeah I [TS]

  think that's a on this one is elephant 6 [TS]

  records my love those guys hate that [TS]

  before they all well lit the report [TS]

  somewhere but I don't like Olivia [TS]

  control control have found a porch and [TS]

  all those guys all live under report to [TS]

  change their name and got a theremin [TS]

  anything that was the thing about [TS]

  elephant six it after two records you [TS]

  have to go live under report is that [TS]

  right yeah and then all tomorrow's [TS]

  parties would call you back up and you'd [TS]

  be the greatest thing that ever happened [TS]

  but i want to say your not Bruce Vilanch [TS]

  I think you might be the Bruce Vilanch [TS]

  of your vertical space if somebody if [TS]

  another person says Bruce Vilanch around [TS]

  me i'm going to come to have a hissy fit [TS]

  and channel share the radio Twitter and [TS]

  pop them in the nose [TS]

  I cut down any more cards I want to come [TS]

  back to so many things I but anyway so [TS]

  the couple make sure we close this [TS]

  thread on Bruce Vilanch could have a lot [TS]

  of questions I want to talk about [TS]

  magical thinking I want I don't want [TS]

  talk about 4chan of the tea party but I [TS]

  feel like I need to write more things [TS]

  down [TS]

  I don't interrupt you John your flow but [TS]

  you're also know I understand you want [TS]

  to be fearful but right now two things [TS]

  carry a full feared I don't want to be [TS]

  fearful you're scared about two things [TS]

  this weekend you want [TS]

  fearless somebody released information [TS]

  on your Facebook page and you gotta call [TS]

  I got a phone call an angry phone call [TS]

  from somebody who is close enough to me [TS]

  to have my phone number saying i read [TS]

  this thing that came up in my facebook [TS]

  feed and i was like Christ so I I went [TS]

  on my facebook page immediately and [TS]

  changing all the settings so that it [TS]

  doesn't share anything with anybody you [TS]

  basically my facebook page now is [TS]

  completely closed system where only i [TS]

  can see it and it's just i just i'm [TS]

  going to go in there and run around [TS]

  naked I guess throwing my poop in the [TS]

  air I got the other thing I hear is me [TS]

  and this is back to 4chan who watched [TS]

  those freaking kids on 4chan ruin [TS]

  people's lives [TS]

  that's what the whole idea is this is [TS]

  why we must stop talking about it right [TS]

  now you're right you're not supposed to [TS]

  talk about it [TS]

  well I you know it'sit's we know when [TS]

  those nuclear war type things but yeah [TS]

  the fact but oh I know what i was [TS]

  talking about the fact that your phone [TS]

  and everything puts a little GPS code on [TS]

  every picture you take yeah there are [TS]

  people out there who will come to your [TS]

  house [TS]

  yeah I mean there's somebody put out a [TS]

  really creepy app that would basically [TS]

  but it fascinating proof-of-concept I [TS]

  mean that's part of the problem a lot of [TS]

  this stuff is that that a lot of people [TS]

  our age don't get or in my case don't [TS]

  love is is that there's an extremely [TS]

  interesting technology that's really [TS]

  just showing you something isn't hacking [TS]

  or cracking anything it's just showing [TS]

  you what you've done [TS]

  like in public and so it was really [TS]

  super creepy but like this this somebody [TS]

  put out one person put out a thing that [TS]

  basically has a little regular [TS]

  expression thing that like sweeps [TS]

  twitter for indications that they aren't [TS]

  at home and it is a webpage we could [TS]

  find out who's not at their house are [TS]

  you are you putting this metadata up on [TS]

  our little metadata box or you're not [TS]

  doing that anymore you're not doing that [TS]

  anymore with me right now [TS]

  yeah I don't remember in the early days [TS]

  of this podcast 10 look more day to mark [TS]

  look more what where do i click more [TS]

  coral go like a detail page sorry John [TS]

  go to the go to the website which [TS]

  website [TS]

  I'm so angry [TS]

  here's the thing there's is yes that's [TS]

  got to get the EXIF data you got the [TS]

  location date and all that stuff it's [TS]

  just you know sometimes i think it's [TS]

  it's a shame that we can't divorce the [TS]

  awfulness of what people are doing with [TS]

  some of this stuff from the fact that [TS]

  their stuff we can learn from it [TS]

  my for example and this is really boring [TS]

  so I don't know this is an educational [TS]

  podcast I'm I'm I've been reading the [TS]

  reviews I worry my concern is that is in [TS]

  as as much as you would like to help [TS]

  everybody [TS]

  or perhaps that you demand everybody [TS]

  helped drive it slightly differently [TS]

  thats collecting service or you might [TS]

  concern for you John is I i don't i [TS]

  don't want the plasticity of your [TS]

  photons to become too watered down and [TS]

  my concern is that if you help people [TS]

  who truly is not that they don't need [TS]

  help but they they can't be helped in a [TS]

  way that scales [TS]

  my concern is a lot of people are going [TS]

  to miss out on being set straight by you [TS]

  and I think that we can't afford that we [TS]

  can't afford that you get too wrapped up [TS]

  you go into some you start you start [TS]

  wrestling some fucking tar baby and you [TS]

  are not going to be able to go set [TS]

  people straight that are causing a lot [TS]

  of problems for me in particular happen [TS]

  to me you're absolutely right you've [TS]

  seen this before I seen the tar-baby [TS]

  yeah i do i get tangled up your prayer [TS]

  you're a bear Roderick I'm Broderick is [TS]

  that you don't think anyone is thinking [TS]

  maybe that was that calls the tales of [TS]

  the South southern racism [TS]

  what's that called us out song the sound [TS]

  right south and I got into an [TS]

  interesting conversation about it the [TS]

  other day because they look we have [TS]

  facebook not on Facebook this was [TS]

  actually having a cafe Kevin wrote an [TS]

  article for the Seattle Weekly is your [TS]

  reverb this is the reverb jobs in my [TS]

  instapaper haven't read it yet i always [TS]

  enjoy when you get that please go ahead [TS]

  but it wasn't so i made a comment so i [TS]

  quoted i quoted somebody that i had a [TS]

  Twitter exchange with and and it she was [TS]

  like a she made some point about [TS]

  feminism that women somehow er yeah you [TS]

  know second-class citizens or something [TS]

  that is that like an essential oil or [TS]

  minerals and seven museum don't remember [TS]

  there was that there is a great cover of [TS]

  like bust magazine where they said it's [TS]

  been you know it's the 30th anniversary [TS]

  of feminism and they misspelled feminism [TS]

  and now way that i was i was working at [TS]

  a magazine like bra-burning meets [TS]

  magnesium it was so great [TS]

  Germany's IAM what on the driver [TS]

  actually yeah actually have the copy of [TS]

  it because it [TS]

  I don't know what it said it's not that [TS]

  I wasn't trying to prove the point that [TS]

  people that put out feminist magazines [TS]

  don't know how to spell feminism that's [TS]

  not the point I was trying to prove it [TS]

  was just a nice thing that was like my [TS]

  Braille Playboy's it was something that [TS]

  I like to keep around but anyway so i [TS]

  made some guy was talking i'm sitting [TS]

  around they'll talk about separate bro [TS]

  playboys [TS]

  well Playboy's any good um I was talking [TS]

  to some rock musicians and I said I got [TS]

  into this the this this gal was angry at [TS]

  me for misquoting her in this article i [TS]

  wrote about a Twitter exchange that we [TS]

  had when I called her a fake feminist [TS]

  and the rock musicians I was talking to [TS]

  said oh is it girl so-and-so and it was [TS]

  they called her out she's a she's some [TS]

  she's like a feminist critic music [TS]

  critic and I have nothing against her [TS]

  personally or against her feminine easy [TS]

  mhmm but I'm uh now I've lost completely [TS]

  lost my don't show up at the thing was [TS]

  your reverb and you're talking to meet [TS]

  musicians and something's gonna happen [TS]

  try to guess what the story she finds [TS]

  out you were talking about her though [TS]

  she was mad yeah right [TS]

  oh my god the photons are pouring out of [TS]

  my ears right now that's what I want to [TS]

  get back to measure thinking I have a on [TS]

  it's like a photon fall you know what [TS]

  you need anything I'm gonna send you [TS]

  some index cards [TS]

  oh wow i am at index cards in years not [TS]

  since i did my book report on the life [TS]

  of a cell [TS]

  haven't I ever given you index cards at [TS]

  all that was me actually giving you i'm [TS]

  giving you a lot of index cards again I [TS]

  think giving eric index cards [TS]

  I'm not Eric index cards and i think i [TS]

  might I'm embarrassed to say this I [TS]

  might have given Eric my index cards [TS]

  that you get that's fine that's fine [TS]

  it's it's fine especially in the sense [TS]

  that now you're struggling and now who's [TS]

  the matching is now that's what i'm [TS]

  saying which I had index cards around [TS]

  capturing all of this and in a text [TS]

  optimized unless you text analyze their [TS]

  own different cards but and so the [TS]

  feminism is bust magazine [TS]

  yeah thats right thats a lady magazine [TS]

  and the carton is ironic or [TS]

  was a satirical or ironic what kind of [TS]

  name is that bus oh I think that that [TS]

  would be ironic time [TS]

  yeah um and I'm not even sure of buses [TS]

  still in print which would add a further [TS]

  level of irony to the name bust because [TS]

  they may have gone by I seeking an [TS]

  attorney now what about grandi know are [TS]

  there any granting your magazines while [TS]

  there was a grand Royal i love grand [TS]

  Royal yeah I love grand Royal i love Ben [TS]

  is dead [TS]

  grand Royal was seriously the one where [TS]

  mike d put on the mullet wig and went to [TS]

  GI t that was awesome it was is I think [TS]

  that's the sleep scratch perry issue i [TS]

  still have it it's just it's so fucking [TS]

  great [TS]

  yeah and the might you know the guy the [TS]

  guy that once kids to write in the [TS]

  mission did the mic magazine you [TS]

  remember might I was a massive fan of my [TS]

  i might make them fight to it i drive to [TS]

  the store and buy Mike magazine that [TS]

  might might pretend that who's the kid [TS]

  from eight is enough they pretended that [TS]

  he died oh sure yeah yeahs Adam rich it [TS]

  was Adam Richman it was before it was [TS]

  just the beginning of the internet and I [TS]

  really a year is before analogy to make [TS]

  your point in there [TS]

  this is not a heavy internet periods [TS]

  before you would have these back you [TS]

  know this is more in the tradition of [TS]

  spiders and bubble yum Mikey and pop [TS]

  rocks kind of shit right there is what [TS]

  that this was it was certainly before [TS]

  the internet existed for me but it it [TS]

  was in advance of what became a kind of [TS]

  internet-based pranking but this was [TS]

  real [TS]

  in the flesh pranking in a magazine so [TS]

  not in the flesh [TS]

  it was real in the magazine pranking and [TS]

  it was an oniony it wasn't something [TS]

  well and especially in the sense that [TS]

  the headlines are funding the stories [TS]

  weren't it was it was it was it seemed [TS]

  plausible like they talk to people and [TS]

  there was not that kind of like Oh [TS]

  overly winking I mean I guess there was [TS]

  you really stood back and looked at but [TS]

  people if you took one foot one step one [TS]

  foot back from my magazine and realize [TS]

  that everything in it was was yeah but [TS]

  the name a theme like every did they [TS]

  have themes themes they didn't I feel so [TS]

  bad I so stupid it's not bad it's stupid [TS]

  stupid isn't bad but I feel stupid [TS]

  because I was [TS]

  I had every original dave eggers [TS]

  publication in my hands at the time [TS]

  first edition mcsweeney's issue number [TS]

  one all that stuff that's now worth I [TS]

  mean I could probably buy i could [TS]

  probably buy a small economy car with [TS]

  all that stuff if i had had the presence [TS]

  of mind to just keep it or couple boys [TS]

  instead of giving it away i buy a couple [TS]

  of boys we have to have to get it suck [TS]

  your German friends but my centuries [TS]

  sextours money it's like a private [TS]

  thoughts amazon is prime for that my [TS]

  thing with my thing with boys there was [TS]

  a while there I tried to be attracted to [TS]

  boys like an ad like and Thomas mon-kind [TS]

  away [TS]

  well yeah sort of inner inner like that [TS]

  Death in Venice is a Greek um nauseam [TS]

  kind of well yeah sure but a but it just [TS]

  didn't take and I and I and I feel in [TS]

  some ways that i can't really be a [TS]

  public intellectual unless there's a [TS]

  part of me that's like that wants to [TS]

  educate young boys and you got no X's in [TS]

  your buggery column is your problem when [TS]

  you're going to look at a lot of those [TS]

  guys and you sure there's some good for [TS]

  you or something for the younger I I [TS]

  think you might be onto something but i [TS]

  think part of the concern is that you [TS]

  have a very very quick mind and you're [TS]

  very impatient with children so not good [TS]

  children like ours but like all the [TS]

  other children now we are not good and [TS]

  my concern is like you be sitting around [TS]

  and you would start talking you start [TS]

  talking about British steel and they'd [TS]

  say do you want me to fellate you and [TS]

  you say no listen I want to talk about [TS]

  this [TS]

  well i don't think a young man come to [TS]

  adulthood but no one safe for a pretty [TS]

  to say make make make candy canes bang [TS]

  that it would be important to be broken [TS]

  English sure how that was i I remember [TS]

  being a teenage boy and I don't remember [TS]

  ever asking an adult if they would like [TS]

  me to do anything so do your homework [TS]

  right i think i think that's a I think [TS]

  that's uh that's another example of [TS]

  adult fantasy world where kids are like [TS]

  me I thought you sir [TS]

  right fact there's what they're playing [TS]

  the playstation tues and the adult has [TS]

  to come in and actually whack them on [TS]

  the head with the penis and say right [TS]

  now [TS]

  yeah yeah exactly like if you if you [TS]

  wanna play Galaga you're gonna have to [TS]

  you know get it [TS]

  that's right [TS]

  don't fear the reaper but none of that [TS]

  interest me what I what I think what [TS]

  these kids need is to learn more about [TS]

  Judas Priest and the Thirty Years War [TS]

  you said this to me and John rocky said [TS]

  you said that I needed that strong male [TS]

  figure not pulling on this one has [TS]

  Conway whack you on the head with his [TS]

  penis [TS]

  it's possible that he's everything I'm [TS]

  the student I don't feel like I'm in a [TS]

  position to say oh I don't want to learn [TS]

  that kind of math oh you know science is [TS]

  more important history sold why bother [TS]

  could you please stop hitting me [TS]

  literally with your penis right i feel [TS]

  like i am not the one who gets to pick [TS]

  the syllabus for that right now I may [TS]

  not like the reserve reading but on some [TS]

  level you know as I may have to [TS]

  sometimes you have to kneel to rise if [TS]

  you're in my charge and I decided the [TS]

  lesson plan for today is a little bit of [TS]

  penis penis circulate important related [TS]

  material and that's got you you're right [TS]

  you don't get to you don't get to choose [TS]

  you don't get to choose which parts of [TS]

  military school you like and what parts [TS]

  are fun and which parts you want to take [TS]

  a pass on i was on the drill team [TS]

  military school that doesn't mean it's [TS]

  not the girl with the big thighs you [TS]

  spend the batons III time marched in [TS]

  close to order with a gun so so here's [TS]

  the other thing John I just want to hear [TS]

  em like tap I watched you know what you [TS]

  do not want to show a bunch of boys in [TS]

  military school [TS]

  I'm a movie set in a military school you [TS]

  start apps when you were in military [TS]

  honors a little bit older than that but [TS]

  like what was the one to add Damien omen [TS]

  200 men involved involved military [TS]

  school [TS]

  I think our up the Academy the Mad [TS]

  Magazine movie there are there are a lot [TS]

  of movies involving and it's like that [TS]

  been on letterman in the first season of [TS]

  Letterman were Letterman and this is an [TS]

  ongoing bit that have such a clear [TS]

  recollection another watermelons off a [TS]

  three-story building that's pretty funny [TS]

  that was later on [TS]

  now he would do movie reviews and one i [TS]

  remember is hitting a movie review of [TS]

  Flashdance by a professional welder [TS]

  right on [TS]

  he just showed he wasn't like [TS]

  over-the-top it wasn't like a bit he was [TS]

  started gotta know me I wouldn't want a [TS]

  job without having long flowing black [TS]

  hair coming out of it [TS]

  that's no way to like that that's the [TS]

  wrong temperature of that kind of metal [TS]

  like you know the thing is the point [TS]

  being that like you go and ask you know [TS]

  it if he if you get you if you go to the [TS]

  people who understand what's on the [TS]

  screen like they're gonna tell you [TS]

  whether that makes any sense or not you [TS]

  know they're gonna go oh now that guy's [TS]

  got an SS thing on when he's actually in [TS]

  this you know Luftwaffe thing or [TS]

  whatever right [TS]

  you know don't you write exactly you [TS]

  know you know a German uniform but [TS]

  here's the thing [TS]

  there's also a lot of posters out there [TS]

  who are just going to get away with it [TS]

  right now me I know I was what i would [TS]

  watch a military school movie on the [TS]

  show I'm going with this but I'm gonna [TS]

  assume it's somewhere and I would you [TS]

  know what that is bullshit right there [TS]

  just happened that way it is long and [TS]

  every way like you guys were not dressed [TS]

  right i mean just wasn't dressed right [TS]

  let's get you were not in line like you [TS]

  are you there you there was no pattern [TS]

  to what they're doing they're just [TS]

  fucking actors fucking walking around in [TS]

  pants that's not marching right so [TS]

  here's the thing i think a lot of [TS]

  pederasty in literature and culture is a [TS]

  little bit fake right [TS]

  I think it's that movie yeah yeah I [TS]

  think it's one of those things were like [TS]

  how was that great Tom Wolfe [TS]

  sa-something something that mouse was [TS]

  the one where they had a letter [TS]

  Bernstein had the Black Panther a [TS]

  benefit you read that it's really it's [TS]

  really great that the total indictment [TS]

  of what you know the kind of fleece [TS]

  people nowadays but the ridge you know [TS]

  little guys a lot of trouble for that [TS]

  because he talked about it because it [TS]

  wasn't true [TS]

  well no just because it because the tone [TS]

  of it you know you know fun with my band [TS]

  scene you know what I mean yeah well but [TS]

  yeah he was in hot water is that right [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  my house is the thing about his [TS]

  interesting thing that you looking like [TS]

  that parents are you nor I were a gay [TS]

  teenager know and so it emits entirely [TS]

  possible that for practical purposes i [TS]

  was almost a sexual I was like yeah it [TS]

  is you know what not even non-sexually [TS]

  shouldn't ignore it sex in it [TS]

  yeah if I was just I was you know I mean [TS]

  even that the the masturbation and I was [TS]

  doing was so depraved that it was not [TS]

  even on a sexuality level it was not it [TS]

  was something that not procreative [TS]

  you're just you're just a [TS]

  performing frontage on on a hollowed-out [TS]

  tree [TS]

  yeah i mean that's just beyond anger [TS]

  there may be a lot of em 25-year old [TS]

  towels running around in florida that [TS]

  I'm I'm responsible for and I haven't [TS]

  paid for school i haven't done any that [TS]

  are you best is gonna be dad pederasty [TS]

  and the fake pederasty I want to come [TS]

  back to interrupt you because it sounds [TS]

  like you're going somewhere I all I'm [TS]

  trying to say is there's a rich history [TS]

  of this right is a rich history of [TS]

  you've got to go [TS]

  could be that you're taking snuff it [TS]

  could be that not like it's not a movie [TS]

  although I want to talk about that to [TS]

  talk about this movie I just heard about [TS]

  you come back to come back to the Grand [TS]

  Canyon don't want to leave that as far [TS]

  as you were saying about yeah you know [TS]

  like the military outfits being [TS]

  inconsistent I've noticed lately I've [TS]

  been pausing movies i'm watching movies [TS]

  at home I've been pausing them and [TS]

  saying that's a hollow-core door whoever [TS]

  built the set of this movie didn't get a [TS]

  solid wood door and they didn't have [TS]

  hollow hollow corridors that at this era [TS]

  and then I push play again [TS]

  watch it for a little while and then I'd [TS]

  say party Bush pause again and say that [TS]

  that that that type of that countertop [TS]

  hadn't been invented when this was [TS]

  supposedly filmed push play again and [TS]

  i'm driving myself nuts i'm gonna come [TS]

  I'm like am I I don't know what that is [TS]

  I don't even know why oh gosh well [TS]

  there's this is this is a whole season [TS]

  to talk about this [TS]

  well there's a whole thing with the [TS]

  groups's you know it on the guy BB whose [TS]

  yeah i mean like i don't know why even [TS]

  look at that cause it always makes me [TS]

  angry makes me angry because I hate when [TS]

  people do that and it makes you angry [TS]

  because I do it [TS]

  yeah i do it without worrying and [TS]

  there's all kinds of movies that i loved [TS]

  as a kid that have continuity I could go [TS]

  back and try to watch stripes again it's [TS]

  a fun movie but the continent in the [TS]

  community is complete bullshit [TS]

  oh no but even like was so high when [TS]

  they're making that move you think so [TS]

  even harold ramis so I about pj soles [TS]

  hi exactly deeply hi it's already nobody [TS]

  on that movie that was super duper high [TS]

  is that right [TS]

  i'm pretty sure i'm going to what about [TS]

  right shift about night shift with with [TS]

  michael keane very high although henry [TS]

  winkler seems like kind of a square [TS]

  maybe he never got high [TS]

  yeah did you ever see the razor's edge [TS]

  with Bill Murray I didn't that's the mom [TS]

  oh my god [TS]

  summer said mom deal right it's somerset [TS]

  mom and it's so bad they're so on [TS]

  cocaine I really the person that every [TS]

  time I see a like a shot or seen that I [TS]

  just see him looking like Carl and [TS]

  Caddyshack not on purpose [TS]

  did he get permanent smirk because the [TS]

  cocaine is is screwing with his smile [TS]

  muscles and it's making him it's making [TS]

  him grimace and smirk [TS]

  he can't even help it there they try and [TS]

  play it totally straight but it's like [TS]

  it's like watching a cast of 200 people [TS]

  dressed as flappers all greeting their [TS]

  teeth OH all grinding their teeth down [TS]

  the stubs because they're gacked out on [TS]

  like seventies coke it's it's unbearable [TS]

  to watch you would think this movie the [TS]

  network of wartime wartime movie right [TS]

  well no it's the Roaring Twenties moving [TS]

  oh no wait no it is a wartime movie i'm [TS]

  sorry i was thought i was about the [TS]

  great gatsby which is another which my [TS]

  mother lies in your mother-in-law's in [TS]

  the great gatsby in the cell anemia just [TS]

  two spots we can see her dancing the [TS]

  shot in providence sorry doctors usually [TS]

  razor's edge is mom I was one of the [TS]

  books i claimed I've read and I haven't [TS]

  sorry but you would we want you would [TS]

  think that this movie was one of the if [TS]

  if it was even remotely good it would be [TS]

  something that somebody scene but [TS]

  nobody's seen it it's like where the [TS]

  buffalo roam nobody'll i love that movie [TS]

  I did you hate it [TS]

  well no I don't hate it but it's not our [TS]

  man with johnny depp gentle at first [TS]

  it's pretty great version is such a lot [TS]

  of the soundtrack the young soundtrack [TS]

  though it's there are a lot of things [TS]

  about that movie i like but the johnny [TS]

  depp one and the Johnny Depp movies so [TS]

  well done if it actually captured for me [TS]

  at least as a as a sober person watching [TS]

  it it conjured up the exact feeling of [TS]

  being on drugs [TS]

  oh so many times and all Oh either good [TS]

  the the well the bad and the worst but [TS]

  some of the good but just that sense of [TS]

  completeness like when he's in the bar [TS]

  might even just like the hallucinating [TS]

  monster stuff but just the fact that [TS]

  everybody's a little bit distorted and [TS]

  that's what matters [TS]

  going to i said this a million different [TS]

  places but i love i was writing is he [TS]

  and you know it seriously fucking go [TS]

  back and read the Kentucky Derby is [TS]

  dedicated to pray it's still fucking [TS]

  amazing and and he just sounds he sounds [TS]

  like he's completely menaced and [TS]

  everything around him as a potential [TS]

  threat that might need to be mayst even [TS]

  the curse of law know which is past his [TS]

  past his prime there's a section there's [TS]

  a there's a section where he is driving [TS]

  i think in Hawaii he's driving a car [TS]

  down a down a sort of a windy road and [TS]

  it is the it it is the perfect [TS]

  application of speeding out of control [TS]

  on a on a dark road in a in a car that's [TS]

  too fast for you you know right but i [TS]

  gotta check that I've got it on my [TS]

  account information from but i haven't [TS]

  read it yet but watching watching that [TS]

  movie and being transported into that [TS]

  into that feeling of paranoia and and [TS]

  terror of being really really really [TS]

  high in a hotel bar [TS]

  um without you know most of the time [TS]

  when you see it when you see like a drug [TS]

  sequence in the film they you know [TS]

  oh it gets all weird it's like you it's [TS]

  a dream sequence or no and it's sewn [TS]

  it's so unlike was like something from [TS]

  like we're at Sullivan would have girls [TS]

  and go-go boots while there's both [TS]

  bubbles or something like that kind of [TS]

  that kind of like circa nineteen [TS]

  sixty-seven zombies sexy you're on drugs [TS]

  right but yeah but that that fear and [TS]

  loathing movie I don't I i if you have [TS]

  never done drugs [TS]

  mhm and you want to know what it's like [TS]

  I would watch that movie in a dark room [TS]

  I think it's maybe take some drugs just [TS]

  like amplify the effect [TS]

  I'm rod this site I like a lot cause [TS]

  it's called letters of note and I really [TS]

  highly recommend it off put it in the [TS]

  thing and it's everyday they they post [TS]

  some piece of Correspondence want to see [TS]

  ya maybe something historical [TS]

  but just usually something interesting [TS]

  or whatever and like there's like four [TS]

  or five really good ones from hunter s [TS]

  thompson I i'm trying to find this exact [TS]

  because there's one quote where what [TS]

  weĆ­ll just was trying to get that was [TS]

  with johnny depp I mean I know he'd been [TS]

  acquainted with hunter s thompson and he [TS]

  just seemed to have seen much interviews [TS]

  and i've got i found let's say I most [TS]

  had bought a bunch of the old cassettes [TS]

  because he would just talk to himself on [TS]

  cassettes right that's what's [TS]

  understands and you just he doesn't sell [TS]

  them [TS]

  well no that's like how he would think [TS]

  out loud [TS]

  did you get them now they're out there [TS]

  but there and there you know it's a lot [TS]

  to listen to but it does johnny depp [TS]

  really captures that weird combination [TS]

  of relaxed Swagger and complete paranoia [TS]

  know you know and the shifting eyes and [TS]

  everything good actor he is you know he [TS]

  is a good actor [TS]

  I feel like he's made some terrible [TS]

  movies like that on the whole I have no [TS]

  complaints [TS]

  I want to find this one I'm certainly [TS]

  seemed distracted by the internet I just [TS]

  he writes he writes these these you know [TS]

  he just fire off these faxes to people [TS]

  this is 12 rolling stone and you write [TS]

  the book where father Guido Sarducci [TS]

  sends letter yes very funny [TS]

  it's not you worthless s acid sucking [TS]

  piece of illegitimate shit don't ever [TS]

  send this kind of brain damage swelling [TS]

  here again if I had the time i come out [TS]

  there and drive a fucking wooden stake [TS]

  in your forehead [TS]

  actually why don't you get a job germ [TS]

  may be delivering advertising hand out [TS]

  door-to-door kicking tickets for a wax [TS]

  museum you drab Southland cocksuckers [TS]

  are all the same like those don't battle [TS]

  dingbats at the Rolling Stone office [TS]

  like to kill those bastards for sending [TS]

  me your piece as soon as I kill you to [TS]

  jam this morbid dribble up your ass with [TS]

  your little shooter ship was a better [TS]

  appreciated since y'all is so great at [TS]

  that huh [TS]

  and then you know that that's this makes [TS]

  me think of something i was thinking i [TS]

  was sitting in the bathtub the other day [TS]

  and as i do and i was thinking about my [TS]

  own career and what a what a total [TS]

  wreckage i have made of it [TS]

  look at it later I mean like that as of [TS]

  today [TS]

  yeah i'm in place of in place of like [TS]

  the career arc that that that I but you [TS]

  know that that would be the ideal one [TS]

  where i built on everything that I made [TS]

  and at the end and added a new level to [TS]

  it and then was you know we'd driven [TS]

  your enemies before you and heard the [TS]

  limitations of their women yeah exact [TS]

  that was the plan right [TS]

  lamb and instead you know I spent so [TS]

  much time in the garden some time [TS]

  muttering to myself did a lot of offense [TS]

  working last night scenery [TS]

  you seem like you've done a lot of [TS]

  things offenses been a lot of friends [TS]

  work but also at a certain point I [TS]

  rejected gore-tex and went back to wool [TS]

  and that was a watershed moment was a [TS]

  time-consuming wasn't getting me [TS]

  hello is that who literally watershed [TS]

  because it was shed water that's right [TS]

  that's good but there are a lot of you [TS]

  sure you're not a pederast that was [TS]

  pretty clever [TS]

  thank you well I said I compared their [TS]

  I'm have 6 14 year old boy sitting [TS]

  indian-style sir around me in a [TS]

  semi-circle here and and they're all [TS]

  playing playstation 2 not 1 listening to [TS]

  me at all you bastards [TS]

  but anyway I there are a lot of people [TS]

  up here in the northwest who have shut [TS]

  wool and they're in a completely [TS]

  gore-tex universe and they think that [TS]

  that's north western attire and i'm in [TS]

  this i'm i'm i'm back to wall back to [TS]

  wall back to back to analog back [TS]

  tomorrow no checks again about gore-tex [TS]

  shoes they don't breathe don't breathe [TS]

  then i feel like IM me like I feel like [TS]

  I'm you know I'm not like a really [TS]

  stinky stinky foot person you know I [TS]

  have a lot of problems but that's not [TS]

  one of them and it still I mean it's [TS]

  brutal and they end up i push ice and my [TS]

  shoe trees i always say my shoe trees [TS]

  that's how you rent you bring your shoot [TS]

  back to life with sanding ice and the [TS]

  shoe trees i put them into these shoes i [TS]

  stick them into a sealed bag with baking [TS]

  soda and and I still feel like I'm only [TS]

  taking off maybe twenty percent of the [TS]

  problem [TS]

  it brings just throw your shoes away and [TS]

  buy some nice old mother shoes i guess [TS]

  but anyway I was sitting in the bathtub [TS]

  i was thinking about what up what up yet [TS]

  so you ruin your career [TS]

  ok I ruined my opens not just my career [TS]

  my whole life I've done a terrible job [TS]

  managing it [TS]

  and I thought you know maybe I should [TS]

  just go in this direction that hundred [TS]

  Thompson is doing where I just em I just [TS]

  let it go [TS]

  I just give everybody both barrels all [TS]

  the time and descend into a kind of you [TS]

  know lonely madness but really leave [TS]

  leave a legacy of truth huh you know a [TS]

  legacy of truth is when I think I'm late [TS]

  for you to start having a legacy of [TS]

  truth [TS]

  mmm i know i listen I'm not here's the [TS]

  thing you can always hit the reset [TS]

  button [TS]

  I'm i just i'm just saying that um I [TS]

  don't know it's like it's not like one [TS]

  day you know Picasso decided decided to [TS]

  become a director you know he would have [TS]

  the USA look act like I didn't do all [TS]

  that other stuff i'm saying that you've [TS]

  caused a lot of fuckin problems for [TS]

  people [TS]

  yeah and and that well and see here's [TS]

  part of this is where it gets [TS]

  complicated John because your version of [TS]

  the truth is still penetrating I think [TS]

  for a lot of people and I'm saying [TS]

  there's all these 14 year old boys just [TS]

  set up straight and look at me right in [TS]

  the eyes when you said penetrating right [TS]

  well you know you can threaten unplug [TS]

  that game anytime you know I don't know [TS]

  what your game and i'm going to plug [TS]

  something else so i usually just lost [TS]

  some point they lost a couple points i [TS]

  was always going to put you talked about [TS]

  wild and bend you know and Posey the the [TS]

  Marquis of Queensberry son that he was a [TS]

  nice thought he was fucking I i think [TS]

  that now for him that was real but he [TS]

  wanted that Phi you know and I still say [TS]

  to this day the whole reason that he [TS]

  started that trouble with the Marquis of [TS]

  Queensbury is because he misspelled [TS]

  sodomite and I just ice the Dean of the [TS]

  story right yeah yeah sure [TS]

  ok so a cryptography the Richard [TS]

  mammography great biography and and I [TS]

  think it all started because the [TS]

  spelling error [TS]

  yes he wanted to fuck the guy's son in [TS]

  his life like maybe in his knee think [TS]

  you had like a leg fucking thing [TS]

  yeah I I don't understand all the [TS]

  different angles on on on the different [TS]

  kinds of the gay but like I think he was [TS]

  leg [TS]

  here's the leg and leverage man [TS]

  and the Marquis of Queensberry college [TS]

  yeah it gets kind of is if rataj well it [TS]

  depends like fried cheese frontage Jews [TS]

  that for like wait I have a low-fat diet [TS]

  i'm just i'm saying that I'm telling you [TS]

  John rockers like this fucking [TS]

  complicated Oscar Wilde like he was an [TS]

  SAS he was a playwright he was Annie [TS]

  fucker and he didn't like spelling [TS]

  errors [TS]

  ok and this is the eighteen hundreds [TS]

  literally 28 he was certainly he [TS]

  sniffled with right boys they call it [TS]

  that was by the way one of my favorite [TS]

  decima CPC sticking the Rent Boys yeah [TS]

  anyway I'm just saying like you you for [TS]

  the first time I admire the fact that [TS]

  you're owning your mismanagement [TS]

  I mean I think the first thing that [TS]

  manager does is only the things they [TS]

  mismanaged and you're owning it so much [TS]

  it's just rehashing it not my life just [TS]

  like you take a direction night [TS]

  now if I could ask i have to have not [TS]

  had the pleasure of visiting your your [TS]

  home but it strikes me that somebody [TS]

  like like a hunter s thompson like you [TS]

  need a compound does the place where you [TS]

  live have any potential to become a [TS]

  compound there is already a compound you [TS]

  have multiple buildings right are [TS]

  multiple buildings here it is it is a [TS]

  there's a there's an empty swimming pool [TS]

  okay good there's an untended orchard [TS]

  but it's within the city limits my [TS]

  neighbors are all like of the whatever [TS]

  you're doing over there we don't want to [TS]

  know [TS]

  quality sound like working working class [TS]

  african-american people [TS]

  yeah that's right but that you know that [TS]

  they when I first moved in here I had [TS]

  had hair down to the middle of my back [TS]

  and I was missing one of my front teeth [TS]

  and that established a certain tone with [TS]

  my neighbors where they were like he's [TS]

  friendly and that's fine so let's just [TS]

  wave to him and don't go on his property [TS]

  and hopefully he'll stay off of our [TS]

  property and it's established a great we [TS]

  have a great dynamic care who they say [TS]

  hi to each other at the mailbox we we [TS]

  actually talked over the fence but but [TS]

  there is like all the all the teenage [TS]

  kids running around this neighborhood [TS]

  causing trouble they will go to the [TS]

  other side of the street when they walk [TS]

  past my house you keep the ball haha I i [TS]

  know i always throw the ball back to [TS]

  them but i do walk around 33 liquid I [TS]

  bet [TS]

  ok I i do walk around the yard with a [TS]

  sword in a bathroom and and I don't [TS]

  think you're in the bathroom but the [TS]

  sword in your hand right I'm in the [TS]

  bathroom and assorted sort doesn't have [TS]

  its own bathroom [TS]

  I'm just absent mindedly going sorties [TS]

  let's take a lot it's just swinging the [TS]

  sword as I walk around thinking about [TS]

  thinking big thoughts and I think the [TS]

  kids in my neighborhood see that and say [TS]

  there are other better places to go play [TS]

  then around this guys house you have to [TS]

  be careful though because you're like [TS]

  you're a big guy like a tall guy and [TS]

  like the probably got the tall guy [TS]

  problem now of like just like I've got [TS]

  the smartass guy problem right which [TS]

  everybody wants to take on everybody [TS]

  wants to take on the tall guy right and [TS]

  so I'm wonder on some level of carrying [TS]

  a sword is also an invitation to to [TS]

  bring that on to cross the fence if you [TS]

  like [TS]

  well here's the thing that I learned [TS]

  many many years ago and that is that all [TS]

  kinds of people want to all kinds of men [TS]

  try and put on the loco eyes mmm to get [TS]

  out of get out of fights or get out of [TS]

  trouble like they'll forgive somebody to [TS]

  localize yeah and that is supposed to [TS]

  communicate like don't mess with me I'm [TS]

  logo but the problem with loco eyes is [TS]

  that all it takes is to have your bluff [TS]

  called one time and localize turned to [TS]

  fear eyes very fast if you're not if the [TS]

  if the localized don't have anything [TS]

  behind them you know oh oh yeah that guy [TS]

  was really tough you when you localize [TS]

  well there are actual localize and I'm [TS]

  sure you've seen them where it isn't [TS]

  where nobody's putting a bond where the [TS]

  person genuinely like to check off thing [TS]

  like person you would not put don't put [TS]

  localize in the first talk to somebody [TS]

  not gonna get shot by the end right if [TS]

  you got localize you just gonna see them [TS]

  long enough [TS]

  like right before somebody gets you you [TS]

  know it's not something everyone is like [TS]

  Appalachian characters just walking [TS]

  around with some correct fucking crazy [TS]

  Snuffy Smith mode like oh I'm gonna get [TS]

  you like I don't think that's compelling [TS]

  and people wonder why i think people [TS]

  people [TS]

  really want to hit you if you do that I [TS]

  don't get a sort of a robber or anything [TS]

  like that thing about a person with with [TS]

  truly localizes that they don't care if [TS]

  you if you stick a pin in there I you [TS]

  know they're nuts and so about ball by [TS]

  way of saying I stopped a long time ago [TS]

  putting any kind of local eyes on my [TS]

  face and my face when I look at somebody [TS]

  on the street in and they are giving me [TS]

  some kind of confrontational energy my [TS]

  face communicates exactly what I am [TS]

  capable of doing and I find that that [TS]

  which is writing about it later [TS]

  she's that genuinely is enough writing [TS]

  about writing an angry tweet about it [TS]

  later [TS]

  no I mean I don't misrepresent the the [TS]

  distance in a fight i'm willing to go [TS]

  with someone on the street and that [TS]

  distance is not know distance if you get [TS]

  what I'm saying that sounds really [TS]

  menacing after you play it that way I [TS]

  have I have I have a lot to lose my [TS]

  dedicate my dedication to fisticuffs [TS]

  with you has a nonzero value in the [TS]

  sense of not being defined do you even [TS]

  know the difference between 0 and no [TS]

  because I will explain it to you that's [TS]

  all the difference in the world [TS]

  you understand so at this point the [TS]

  person probably confused they're feeling [TS]

  bad that they hadn't taken more math or [TS]

  like learn perl right i think at that [TS]

  point you use the equivalent of like one [TS]

  of those wrestlers throwing sand in your [TS]

  eyes because now he's on the wrong foot [TS]

  he's wondering does this guy have a robe [TS]

  and a sword and we're what is it all [TS]

  it's like the it's like that scene in [TS]

  Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid is [TS]

  great sir where Paul Newman says let's [TS]

  get the rules and the other guy says [TS]

  little knife I kicked him in the balls [TS]

  somebody so 123 123 [TS]

  oh man shit is a it's getting I am [TS]

  let's see okay fuck you want to circle [TS]

  back on i'm never gonna get better than [TS]

  magical thinking I had a thing on [TS]

  plasticity i'm engaged in the compound [TS]

  thing though because it seems to me that [TS]

  i want to tell you why I i think what [TS]

  you're describing here is is really [TS]

  disturbing and extremely diluted and I [TS]

  think that's a good direction for you I [TS]

  see you committing what's the word you [TS]

  use your inhabiting the the voice as I [TS]

  did em right I like that [TS]

  oh yeah right why me also i think you [TS]

  also need to lead with your strength [TS]

  right and it went to number i'm [TS]

  wondering whether I whether i went down [TS]

  the wrong road and what I should be [TS]

  doing like the guy in shazam actually [TS]

  driving across America in a Winnebago [TS]

  but instead of using the power of Isis [TS]

  to solve crimes [TS]

  hmm i should be robbing diamond couriers [TS]

  you know all across America there I'll [TS]

  anti-semitic John the guys get no but [TS]

  that's a here's the brilliant thing only [TS]

  Jewish diamonds couriers right it's just [TS]

  it's a market you leave the Jews alone [TS]

  uh-huh and then and then and by doing so [TS]

  you earn their you earn their respect [TS]

  and he's only knocked over the German [TS]

  diamond couriers of which i'm sure it's [TS]

  a small group but i'm sure there are [TS]

  some if I were going to be a german sex [TS]

  tourist I would want to have [TS]

  what like Liberia right i would have a [TS]

  flag of convenience is that what it's [TS]

  called [TS]

  yeah right okay okay that's what no [TS]

  that's not that you have extra phobic to [TS]

  say that right like convenient ok [TS]

  alright get that's what happens if you [TS]

  put a like a red handkerchief in your [TS]

  back left pocket okay I convenience I [TS]

  who but you know they're so South [TS]

  Africans and german sex tourists think [TS]

  they're walking around with Diamonds [TS]

  especially south african they gotta shit [TS]

  time is down there John and I'm the guy [TS]

  in the Winnebago i'm super unassuming [TS]

  I'm parking every night in a Walmart [TS]

  parking lot i'm part of that community [TS]

  right by day but the community of [TS]

  superheroes in Winnebagos who [TS]

  occasionally go into a cave to turn into [TS]

  a cartoon and get wisdom right [TS]

  whoo-hoo everything happens in a cartoon [TS]

  is a cartoon sometimes when he talks in [TS]

  Neptune devices wasn't [TS]

  Neptune devices wasn't [TS]

  Morgan no mark was never a cartoon for [TS]

  that would have made more from work even [TS]

  cooler if when he went in to talk to or [TS]

  city was a cartoon [TS]

  yeah I don't think they put a lot of [TS]

  budget in that you think mostly stands [TS]

  there [TS]

  yeah did Billy Billy Billy badi Billy [TS]

  party building Madison Billy Batson [TS]

  what's-his-name Billy Billy party [TS]

  ok Billy around Billy Batson mobility [TS]

  parts and when the snows land when he [TS]

  goes into the cave doesn't turn into a [TS]

  cartoon any talks to Neptune I that's [TS]

  that sounds familiar you know the last [TS]

  time I saw and you remember the [TS]

  Winnebago so clearly this is something [TS]

  that is I think I just say that I think [TS]

  the Winnebago there's room for the [TS]

  Winnebago in this whole thing I've got a [TS]

  list here of things that I think you [TS]

  should consider you do not have to agree [TS]

  to any of these but maybe just go [TS]

  through a couple things yeah yeah please [TS]

  do we should first we should clarify the [TS]

  cartoon thing we'll come back to that I [TS]

  turn into a cartoon for like 15 minutes [TS]

  everyday told you talk to like would you [TS]

  seek wisdom from otto von bismarck shame [TS]

  people don't remember him [TS]

  wouldn't that be great if you turn into [TS]

  a cartoon every day for 15 minutes and [TS]

  could ask otto von bismarck anything [TS]

  what if what if you went into a cave you [TS]

  turn into a cartoon and a cartoon [TS]

  version of hunter s thompson was in [TS]

  there right [TS]

  that's not scary well he said here's the [TS]

  thing is he's not going to fucking talk [TS]

  to you because you're a cocksucking [TS]

  piece of shit like you right but you're [TS]

  learning when he says that he says get [TS]

  the fuck out any literally throws a [TS]

  piece of dynamite out you may be like I [TS]

  don't know like a bmat he has a crossbow [TS]

  that shoots down my like the Duke has [TS]

  funny you should say that because this [TS]

  is on my list i was going to recommend [TS]

  if I may I'm not against source i think [TS]

  having a sword is good i think an [TS]

  Arsenal maybe a hidden arsenal is not a [TS]

  bad idea i'm just saying that when you [TS]

  walk around the perimeter of your [TS]

  property in a bathrobe [TS]

  I would think about the crossbow and a [TS]

  small cross but not like one of those [TS]

  jokey was not one of those you know [TS]

  thieves guild kind of things like [TS]

  scrabble a fucking big ass maybe like [TS]

  giant novelty-sized kraspo haha but now [TS]

  that i have a childlike at ravished like [TS]

  a trebuchet labouchere yeah now that I [TS]

  you know that was my punk rock name Trey [TS]

  boucher but nobody ever got it [TS]

  it's not funny on so many levels it's so [TS]

  great i was like [TS]

  people like my name is fucking peter out [TS]

  and I was like I'm trebuchet and that [TS]

  and then they would go to the other side [TS]

  of the chronic a misbehavin see if these [TS]

  aren't good punk rock names these are [TS]

  like the I don't know but it's still a [TS]

  ticket sense because it is a pic answer [TS]

  is always a white tickets my second [TS]

  fence it's a it's a kind of it's like a [TS]

  kind of it's like a forcefield the white [TS]

  picket fence makes your house look like [TS]

  it's like yeah it isn't actually there [TS]

  right it sits right there's not gonna be [TS]

  a lot of Ray Charles records inside [TS]

  becomes a diorama it becomes it becomes [TS]

  a good it's it's a shoebox simulator [TS]

  yeah exactly it just fades into this [TS]

  sort of norman rockwell but to [TS]

  dimensionality and nobody thinks oh [TS]

  right there's actually a weird guy [TS]

  living in there with the Arsenal how [TS]

  tall your picket because you're [TS]

  describing me talking over the fence to [TS]

  these poor bastards you live next to you [TS]

  i thought i saw in one of your videos [TS]

  that guy made of you [TS]

  I thought you have fairly small pickets [TS]

  and if you've got a two-foot picket [TS]

  fence that's weird to talk over that now [TS]

  you pick us 44-foot ticket the pickets [TS]

  are are about four feet tall you okay i [TS]

  mean they reinforce the chicken wire or [TS]

  anything like that or they literally [TS]

  just wouldn't tickets are there wouldnt [TS]

  pickets but I but they are made out of [TS]

  I made them out of pallets like hola [TS]

  balance right Leonard splitter real bad [TS]

  out of the yeah they're not like little [TS]

  pickets that you buy from some picket [TS]

  store [TS]

  ok they're they're reinforced pickets [TS]

  they would stop a car [TS]

  alright there's nothing tricky about it [TS]

  right isn't low here's the trick dipped [TS]

  in poison are reinforced with rebar [TS]

  nothing about it [TS]

  offenses like the fences just offense [TS]

  but on either side of the fence front [TS]

  and back i have print planted ornamental [TS]

  bushes which are also a prickly like [TS]

  vines of death like if you get if you [TS]

  try and get if you could try to get [TS]

  through this edge you're going to get [TS]

  shredded I mean if you're if you're on [TS]

  foot and don't mind being a little [TS]

  inconvenience [TS]

  next I don't think for somebody who's [TS]

  building a fucking compound I just how [TS]

  about you could go through the gate [TS]

  ok and you know what I'm asking you is [TS]

  like it is a large isn't a large bin [TS]

  Laden style wall is that gonna be a [TS]

  problem for zoning for ventilation like [TS]

  is there a reason that you don't have a [TS]

  big [TS]

  fucking as The Godfather style compound [TS]

  as the hedges grow it will become an [TS]

  impenetrable wall of hedge that you [TS]

  won't be able to see Chinese like the [TS]

  scariest organic gardener in the world [TS]

  and laying I'm just saying website like [TS]

  that's what I'd like my business card to [TS]

  say there's not a place yet that [TS]

  convention you like your ways are you [TS]

  kidding me there's so much for a show [TS]

  it's scary had a gardening conference [TS]

  very scary organic gardening conferences [TS]

  yeah problem is that all those people [TS]

  have so much body here and I don't know [TS]

  there's always that the permaculture [TS]

  that's why [TS]

  yeah yeah they don't think they're not [TS]

  grooming themselves they'll consider [TS]

  grooming an act of colonialism [TS]

  absolutely then what's more [TS]

  phallocentric than holding your own hair [TS]

  that's that's you know i mean that's [TS]

  that's a form of self-abuse the guy [TS]

  looks down upon right or whoever [TS]

  alright so I'm just saying the Kennedys [TS]

  you got the Godfather you do need so if [TS]

  you're going to go and i'm not saying [TS]

  going full-on fucking John Wayne Gacy [TS]

  I'm saying but I am saying that like you [TS]

  should dig out the basement and 29 [TS]

  children it sprinkle lie down there too [TS]

  just like a clown [TS]

  yeah into slowly turn a wire that was a [TS]

  really interesting you read the verses [TS]

  from the Bible but here's the problem i [TS]

  do have an arsenal of of weaponry [TS]

  throughout the ages and that does [TS]

  include your as push in my house which [TS]

  includes my rose bush and my untrimmed [TS]

  garden if you will and and and now i [TS]

  have a child and she's more reason to [TS]

  have walls [TS]

  she's too young to to have found you [TS]

  know my various caches of weapons but [TS]

  there will come a time when she'll say [TS]

  you know daddy what's behind that steel [TS]

  reinforced door and I'm going to have to [TS]

  say all your friends from school [TS]

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