Roderick on the Line

Ep. 18: "Main Pastrami Incisor"


  well hi John how are you I'm Merlin man [TS]

  i'll never get sick of it [TS]

  you know what I'm gonna make it I gotta [TS]

  work on the song thing this is getting [TS]

  out of hand [TS]

  the problem was that like for us this [TS]

  already the problem with that being a [TS]

  theme song is that the next line is [TS]

  don't mean a thing [TS]

  oh you Merlin man's don't mean a thing [TS]

  to me but that's not true you do mean [TS]

  something to me and uh huh [TS]

  and so it's it's hard for me to sing [TS]

  that even though its it's stuck in my [TS]

  head [TS]

  whoo-hoo because because i can't because [TS]

  the sentiment doesn't reflect my true [TS]

  feelings through art party says Jermaine [TS]

  and other parts is tito now is that [TS]

  nasty boys is that what you're saying [TS]

  yeah it's a it's janet is a lot of [TS]

  controversy about this John people i [TS]

  think people have made the argument [TS]

  persuasively that you're actually [TS]

  singing something different [TS]

  I don't want your musician your [TS]

  professional musician I'm not going to [TS]

  tell you what the people have ten years [TS]

  me all you have to do is hold up that [TS]

  that a that web app or that that iphone [TS]

  app up to the stereos to see how how bad [TS]

  technology is at identifying songs say [TS]

  what buddy that has come a long way [TS]

  since that day you and I tried to find [TS]

  your son's come with very long way it [TS]

  has come a long way but the prop my [TS]

  problem is that the songs that I want to [TS]

  identify i'm usually listening to in a [TS]

  crowded supermarket at really low volume [TS]

  and I hold my phone up in the air to try [TS]

  and get the to try and get the audio but [TS]

  there clattering shopping carts and [TS]

  yelling kids and the thing can't it [TS]

  can't sort the music out from them what [TS]

  you know what it needs to do it needs to [TS]

  use hearing aid technology from as I [TS]

  think they're perfecting hearing aids [TS]

  that can sort out the background noise [TS]

  and focus the attention of the device on [TS]

  the on the the interesting part i read [TS]

  an article about this is not blasting [TS]

  the high mids and it simply it's a huge [TS]

  move forward in the technology last [TS]

  thing the Hyneman I can hear anything [TS]

  more John I [TS]

  i I just not even like my eyesight my [TS]

  hearing is all going to hell I'm going [TS]

  to need something like that iphone app [TS]

  just a halter so i can understand what [TS]

  kind of dressing they have at the [TS]

  restaurant I'll I'll and bed at night [TS]

  and listen to the symphony of whistling [TS]

  and whining happening in my ears and I'm [TS]

  alone in my house it's not like it's [TS]

  some girl next to me whistling and [TS]

  whining know the sound of my own ears [TS]

  slowly disintegrating you have the [TS]

  tinnitus [TS]

  yeah I never had it before i went to [TS]

  rock shows for 25 years I never had a [TS]

  whistling in my ear and then i went to a [TS]

  bachelor party of a friend of mine where [TS]

  we were firing ak-47 as you do and you [TS]

  know you you were in this bunker of a [TS]

  firing range cement wall cement floor [TS]

  cement ceiling and everybody gets done [TS]

  shooting their guns and we all take our [TS]

  ear phones off to sit and talk about how [TS]

  great the guns are and then everyone [TS]

  gets back into firing position and i [TS]

  have my earphone off on my right ear [TS]

  I just forgot to put it back and [TS]

  somebody shoots a bullet and the the [TS]

  sound echoes around this concrete room [TS]

  and goes right into my ear and I knew [TS]

  right then like oh I have done permanent [TS]

  damage to myself and sure enough [TS]

  still now two years later you could get [TS]

  that was I remember you talking about [TS]

  that was two years ago [TS]

  yeah and I and I went I went to an ER [TS]

  doctor and he was like oh and he was one [TS]

  of these doctors with the bedside manner [TS]

  of a person that had been unfrozen from [TS]

  a glacier like like he had only just met [TS]

  modern humans today and you know I'm [TS]

  asking him questions about like this [TS]

  matters to me like my ears are kind of [TS]

  my are part of my job and are you [TS]

  whistling what does allow that's a [TS]

  that's a siren I was I'm sorry I gashed [TS]

  away definitely to try i thought i could [TS]

  play it off the jit I thought John still [TS]

  gonna be talking about his hearing and [TS]

  run back and i got totally clocked [TS]

  because there was a just siren and I you [TS]

  don't like that this program i'm [TS]

  extremely sorry that I did that was [TS]

  inappropriate [TS]

  that's hilarious no it's not it's not I [TS]

  I I apologized saying I'm sorry I'm very [TS]

  focused when I'm time do I thought you [TS]

  had gone to the other side of the room [TS]

  and whistled to try and test my hearing [TS]

  which would have been a very clever move [TS]

  that's break you [TS]

  I can't hear it but I could hear it but [TS]

  in any case this doctor was like he was [TS]

  just a he was a bad doctor he was a bad [TS]

  doctor in parti-colored dockers i'm [TS]

  sorry i missed 30 seconds of this was [TS]

  your first indication that this is a bad [TS]

  doctor but be just had no bedside manner [TS]

  he you know he look every time you ask [TS]

  him to call every time I ask my question [TS]

  i don't know why i'm using the universal [TS]

  you every time I asked my question [TS]

  he acted like he had never been asked a [TS]

  question before I like it was an [TS]

  imposition on him but in any case he's [TS]

  an audiologist you want to do now he's a [TS]

  ear nose and throat no I guess not even [TS]

  a nose and throat he just does the ears [TS]

  and anna and he said oh well if you had [TS]

  come in to see me [TS]

  yeah within three days of the of a [TS]

  sustaining that injury we could have [TS]

  done something about it [TS]

  what a cock yeah and i was looking at [TS]

  some fucking morning after pill for [TS]

  further please [TS]

  I think they do they have a [TS]

  morning-after pill for her ear cut plan [TS]

  E but then the one hopeful thing the one [TS]

  hopeful thing he said he kind of like [TS]

  looked at me kind of confidentially [TS]

  after because I was trying to warm him [TS]

  up you know with the Aug you do with [TS]

  doctors [TS]

  when you meet him for the first time [TS]

  there's that thing of like oh you're a [TS]

  doctor and I I used to be in all of [TS]

  doctors before i had before a lot of my [TS]

  highschool friends became doctors and I [TS]

  realized that any dingus can be a doctor [TS]

  but you try and you know you try to warm [TS]

  up like this guy's gonna have his finger [TS]

  in my butter I mean obviously not the [TS]

  ear doctor but a doctor could put his [TS]

  finger in your butt you wasn't he's a [TS]

  doctor I mean he's giving advice [TS]

  well he's calling the shots he asking [TS]

  sounds I think that doctors could make [TS]

  the case that they probably feel your [TS]

  butt a little bit he leans in kind of [TS]

  confidential and he goes but just [TS]

  between you and me you know in the next [TS]

  couple of here couple years almost done [TS]

  in the next couple of years in the next [TS]

  couple of years [TS]

  we're going to have a thing to fix this [TS]

  tinnitus I guess any work but that's [TS]

  right that's right then he was like say [TS]

  no more i am you know like don't [TS]

  reference it again I was like really [TS]

  like new technology and he was like hmm [TS]

  did you book your book an appointment [TS]

  we're very close we're very close to a [TS]

  major breakthrough you should put the [TS]

  point of couple years from now check [TS]

  back in what was interesting to me was [TS]

  that this ear doctor at the polyclinic [TS]

  on broadway in seattle is somehow tapped [TS]

  into some like super super like deep in [TS]

  a mountainside lab your doctors that are [TS]

  very close to making this major [TS]

  breakthrough and I'm like what what did [TS]

  you just get back from a conference or [TS]

  something out you guys also like text [TS]

  each other [TS]

  how do you know I don't want to make [TS]

  this about world war two John but what [TS]

  if he's involved in some kind of noise [TS]

  commandos shorts commanders I said Mel [TS]

  Brooks joke haha sorry ocular mean I [TS]

  ocular means are ok with someone for [TS]

  years [TS]

  oral you can eat your killer what if [TS]

  he's an ear killer Manhattan Project [TS]

  have you thought about that he might be [TS]

  working with some of the great minds of [TS]

  Germany that he's lulled over here he [TS]

  somehow he somehow attracted the burner [TS]

  hurt Sox of of the eardrums to work on [TS]

  the city maybe he can't say anymore [TS]

  because it would you know obviously you [TS]

  can be trusted with a secret because you [TS]

  were at one point almost in Special [TS]

  Forces probably said too much I don't [TS]

  like that though John I don't like that [TS]

  about doctors I don't I i like the kind [TS]

  of doctors that are very down-to-earth [TS]

  and you know I don't fucking know about [TS]

  a lot of this stuff is buttery what we [TS]

  can do for you [TS]

  you know I an explosion went off by your [TS]

  ear and like from from from the dawn of [TS]

  time until now there's very little we [TS]

  can do about that could be part of your [TS]

  ear just got blown up a little bit dr. [TS]

  they're talking about is smoking [TS]

  Winston's while he's talking to you I'm [TS]

  not much we can do [TS]

  I think I promising a t-zone I i put [TS]

  this high put this out there on the [TS]

  internet the other day I was like look [TS]

  I'm looking for a doctor and I want an [TS]

  old-school doctor I don't want I don't [TS]

  want a doctor who's going to tell me [TS]

  about Eastern medicine I don't want a [TS]

  doctor who's going to tell me that I [TS]

  need to do aerobics I want the doctor [TS]

  was just gonna be like an old-school [TS]

  doctor who smoke cigarettes and he talks [TS]

  to me like a like a guy right and so I [TS]

  put this out there and on my facebook [TS]

  page i get 30 replies from people like [TS]

  oh you should use my doctor doctor you [TS]

  know dr. Brianna McPherson she's amazing [TS]

  and I'm like you're not listening to me [TS]

  i'm not going to a doctor named brianna [TS]

  she's gonna tell me that i need to [TS]

  robust eyes i want i want a doctor he's [TS]

  gonna talk about your lifestyle [TS]

  yeah I need a doctor named Herman who [TS]

  comes in the stethoscope is fucking [TS]

  freezing [TS]

  you're gonna get your naked is not even [TS]

  a gown just you stand there naked while [TS]

  he smokes that's the kind of doctor you [TS]

  want you want somebody who goes you know [TS]

  what there's no surgery for that yet [TS]

  he's smoking he has a really cold [TS]

  stethoscope and he has a pair of pliers [TS]

  in his back pocket and and we sit and we [TS]

  talked about you know we talked for 45 [TS]

  minutes before he says so what's the [TS]

  matter [TS]

  yeah but anyway so I i made a doctor's [TS]

  appointment or actually I didn't make a [TS]

  doctor's appoint someone made a doctor's [TS]

  appointment for me and I haven't been to [TS]

  the doctor and I don't know how long i [TS]

  don't i don't believe in doctors who [TS]

  haven't gone to the doctor in a long [TS]

  time but i but I i was bitching about [TS]

  this and and then a person close to me [TS]

  said you know what I'm gonna make your [TS]

  doctor's appointment and now i have one [TS]

  so i have to go to the doctor is nearby [TS]

  how I mean everything in seattle is [TS]

  nearby [TS]

  but its a Mann's not nearby because in [TS]

  my neighborhood there are no facilities [TS]

  i live in a neighborhood with no [TS]

  facilities nothing like a free clinic i [TS]

  guess there they just built a free [TS]

  clinic down the street which really [TS]

  angered me because it was on this it was [TS]

  on a lot that could have been a nice [TS]

  cafe and they built a medical facility [TS]

  for poor people and i have and as if [TS]

  there aren't enough of those right right [TS]

  the count is that really the Catalan [TS]

  encourage there should have been there [TS]

  should be there are no cafes down here [TS]

  and there are like there are all kinds [TS]

  of medical clinics and veterinarians [TS]

  stuff textcaster question you think you [TS]

  think those people are actually getting [TS]

  their health is actually improving i'm [TS]

  going to guess probably not [TS]

  you can throw as many clinics as you [TS]

  want we know what you can do carbon [TS]

  offsets you say for every one of these [TS]

  clinics you've also got a build like a [TS]

  cafe and nice cafe not like some kind of [TS]

  scored together cafe was a korean guy [TS]

  like I want a nice cafe was real coffee [TS]

  i want i want Angry ladies with tattoos [TS]

  exactly is as much a skunk that's how [TS]

  much to ask I think things are all the [TS]

  all the tattoo coffee shops are all up [TS]

  in the neighborhood where there are no [TS]

  brown people and I live down with the [TS]

  brown people and they did you know [TS]

  nobody serves services them with good [TS]

  coffee [TS]

  he missed he missed the capital [TS]

  experienc know it's irrelevant to me now [TS]

  I go up there and I walk around and I [TS]

  feel like a minute late lady gaga video [TS]

  and I I don't that's just the men i [TS]

  can't i can't i cannot identify all I [TS]

  can identify our I mean I look around at [TS]

  the kids and I see all of the I see all [TS]

  of the ways in which the men have ripped [TS]

  off my fashion sense so calling and the [TS]

  girls have all ripped off the fashion [TS]

  senses of all the girls I was dating 10 [TS]

  years ago [TS]

  it's really annoying with a little bit [TS]

  of editing that could be a hit Willie [TS]

  Nelson song you know there's a prob with [TS]

  diversity John the problem diversity is [TS]

  it was always benefit all brother [TS]

  there's so many there's so many problems [TS]

  with diversity and I know what I don't [TS]

  go ping pong i'm going to skip the whole [TS]

  cafe problem that black box will come [TS]

  back to that in another time [TS]

  Rachel room I [TS]

  what well I don't know I didn't say [TS]

  anything did I also love your arms it's [TS]

  a lady thing too isn't it [TS]

  oh I just said about now you never are [TS]

  saucy man mama and you know I don't [TS]

  diversity diversity you know what we [TS]

  shouldn't even open that box if you know [TS]

  what I mean when I was in fifth grade [TS]

  yet don't open the black box me when I [TS]

  was in fifth grade now without a strong [TS]

  cup of coffee when I was in fifth grade [TS]

  my reading book was called serendipity [TS]

  100 this is different now what we are [TS]

  two books is that right [TS]

  serendipity and diversity writes [TS]

  anything to her second have talked about [TS]

  this 50 in sixth grade serendipity [TS]

  university has some science centers have [TS]

  told us that they had the same books [TS]

  I've heard that yeah I i did not realize [TS]

  that diversity was going to be such a [TS]

  problem later [TS]

  yeah Israel is it it's you know it's one [TS]

  of those things like auto insurance like [TS]

  it seems like a good idea you know you [TS]

  maybe yeah but i feel i feel like when i [TS]

  run for president my platform will be no [TS]

  more nanny-state mandatory auto [TS]

  insurance [TS]

  true true because there's a lot of force [TS]

  insurance going to the Obamacare rhino [TS]

  tonight mama care and I know you don't [TS]

  want to talk about it since when I look [TS]

  I'm not gonna talk about the Tea Party [TS]

  that I like that I like that you're [TS]

  talking about all these things that I [TS]

  assume people on fox news talk about I [TS]

  like they're coming up with these [TS]

  portmanteaus you know what those are [TS]

  very sticky but you can have a sticky [TS]

  portman tell by just just smashing a [TS]

  couple things together you know my god [TS]

  I'm just let's see what it's a couple of [TS]

  good against your business name like mr. [TS]

  Chand not see I've never heard that [TS]

  before that was good i just pointed yeah [TS]

  I'm sure that I'm sure we'll see that on [TS]

  fox news in in two months [TS]

  what about diversity sexual diversity [TS]

  sexual mood or a and I'm thinking about [TS]

  that this morning actually the diverse [TS]

  sexuality because you know that it'sit's [TS]

  this common trope that if you if you let [TS]

  the gays marry if you let the gays out [TS]

  of the stables and everybody's gonna [TS]

  know all that although like the young [TS]

  boys who are on the fence [TS]

  asian men who are on the fence that [TS]

  argument makes me so angry you're gonna [TS]

  see that the gay lifestyle is so going [TS]

  around them they're gonna recruit like [TS]

  they're out there getting Hitler Youth [TS]

  playing a tube and bang on the drum and [TS]

  suddenly everybody was a uniform i don't [TS]

  i don't think that's how it works John [TS]

  Roderick well let me let me tell you [TS]

  from from personal experience when I was [TS]

  a young man in my early twenties and I [TS]

  moved to Seattle it was during the it [TS]

  was during the big explosion of the gay [TS]

  rights time the gay rights movement [TS]

  right the the uh we're out and we're [TS]

  proud and what I think when i arrived in [TS]

  seattle 1990 it was just it was just at [TS]

  the beginning you know there was still a [TS]

  very vibrant underground gay culture and [TS]

  then gay culture went went mainstream [TS]

  and it happened very fast and I was [TS]

  living right in the middle of it as a [TS]

  young person surrounded by other young [TS]

  people and being gay singh very exciting [TS]

  days had a good sense of humor [TS]

  they were they were chic they seem to be [TS]

  that they felt newly liberated [TS]

  light-hearted intellectual good shoes [TS]

  yeah I wanted to feel newly liberated I [TS]

  too had been living in a closet of a [TS]

  kind the closet of of unacceptability [TS]

  unacceptable notice i wanted to feel [TS]

  liberated [TS]

  where's my parade that's right where's [TS]

  my parade where's Mike Wright was my [TS]

  pleasure that I get to our dolphin [TS]

  shorts on [TS]

  where's my where's my world war one [TS]

  aficionado parade [TS]

  yeah well some sellers my throbbing it's [TS]

  raining men loop so i went to a lot of [TS]

  parties with my gay friends and I tried [TS]

  out the gay lifestyle is not the [TS]

  one-time shot with that big black buck [TS]

  ears this is this is ongoing [TS]

  this is an ongoing human experiment [TS]

  you're participating and willfully [TS]

  knowingly you were trying something on [TS]

  correct true for a couple years there i [TS]

  would make out with boys when the [TS]

  opportunity presented itself which it [TS]

  frequently did and and I really said you [TS]

  know let's try that lets what about [TS]

  bisexual [TS]

  let's try bisexual [TS]

  see what that let's see how that feels [TS]

  and I really feel like if it were if it [TS]

  were possible for a person to change [TS]

  their sexual orientation by exerting the [TS]

  there will be if it were possible for a [TS]

  person to cheat let me let me simplify [TS]

  that by using the word choose for [TS]

  possible to choose your sexual [TS]

  orientation [TS]

  I think I would have chosen to have AI [TS]

  in fact i tried to choose to have a more [TS]

  open sexual orientation then it turns [TS]

  out i ended up with a friend [TS]

  we're in the final accounting i realized [TS]

  that i was ten percent bisexual not [TS]

  enough to sustain a bi sexual [TS]

  relationship just does that is [TS]

  introduction to say that makes you five [TS]

  percent gay or how's that breakdown a [TS]

  pie graph mi would say he founded by [TS]

  special thing to be you on the bubble [TS]

  and you're right it's square in the [TS]

  middle [TS]

  what you doing huh had sixteen percent k [TS]

  i'm never gonna say bite ya know I was [TS]

  let's say i was twenty percent bisexual [TS]

  10-percent game [TS]

  okay but uh but when i when i read this [TS]

  all this like hyperbole about all if we [TS]

  if we legalize gay marriage then oh it's [TS]

  just the beginning of this slippery [TS]

  slope or pretty soon it's just gonna be [TS]

  a pro Tosh in elevators and it looks [TS]

  like that mean that the argument these [TS]

  ppl makes its that's sweeping the other [TS]

  guys and Castle it let me guess it's [TS]

  gonna be it's like we're one step away [TS]

  John it's not possible john i'm going to [TS]

  share a very fast and don't take your [TS]

  girl here but i wanna i wanna very fast [TS]

  anecdote and visit my mama few years ago [TS]

  my mom you know she's really serious you [TS]

  know she carries a gun and stuff and not [TS]

  just 14 mm yep yep in so our friend of [TS]

  hers who you know why has been like a [TS]

  thumb sick family member since childhood [TS]

  on she's like and she's fun like the bay [TS]

  area originally she's from like he's [TS]

  made no from the east bay and when I go [TS]

  clean but like you know the white people [TS]

  might go out in east and she and she [TS]

  current shouting no no that's that's [TS]

  north but she's picking your kind of [TS]

  picking a thing with me and I can [TS]

  already feel she's picking a thing with [TS]

  me like oh present [TS]

  from San Francisco and yeah that's [TS]

  pretty rare and expensive and it's nice [TS]

  there's lots to do and Jim she's [TS]

  implying sheezy you can feel it you know [TS]

  it is your lips witchy ways i have to [TS]

  get sorry if I don't know if it's even [TS]

  me it's just more like watching an old [TS]

  man tried to punch somebody who's not [TS]

  even there like she's got she's getting [TS]

  ready to swing and like there's nothing [TS]

  to really hit and I'm not taking the [TS]

  bait and your mom's friend she is my [TS]

  mom's friend and I'm buttonholed like [TS]

  I'm stuck by her like in a bar I can't [TS]

  get out [TS]

  I'm stop hold you're stuck by her in a [TS]

  bar near buttonholed your buttonhole [TS]

  dinner party I tried and they've been [TS]

  sitting next to somebody where you want [TS]

  to literally kill yourself a dental and [TS]

  they're gonna try again but holding my [TS]

  seat in the early nineties right hey [TS]

  justjust that outside with something IDK [TS]

  so what did you think about one concept [TS]

  while working on this vote voting i [TS]

  think voting is what happened in seattle [TS]

  i'm going to continue to focus is huge [TS]

  and so and so she's needling me now and [TS]

  I'm not really taking the bait and and I [TS]

  I go straight into the story that I [TS]

  believe in my heart is part of what [TS]

  makes san francisco in san francisco is [TS]

  such a stupid fucking town in so many [TS]

  ways but i will tell you one thing I [TS]

  genuinely love about San Francisco it [TS]

  was like the yeah it's like the island [TS]

  of misfit toys huh [TS]

  we never got to this in one of our [TS]

  previous World War two discussions but [TS]

  you know what made one thing was there [TS]

  an island of misfit toys & World War two [TS]

  I think you're thinking rankin/bass [TS]

  here's what happened [TS]

  you got if you got this is you don't [TS]

  steal my job my job is to derail your [TS]

  job is to talk about the cold where [TS]

  where I i'm going to be an interrupting [TS]

  cow this episode let's ride bikes [TS]

  I'm sony i'm sorry and i believe this [TS]

  like his first of all just a little bit [TS]

  back in the sack I don't know is I see [TS]

  accurate but it's my understanding that [TS]

  in world war two if you got thrown out [TS]

  of the armed forces in the Pacific [TS]

  Theater for being gay [TS]

  hey guess where they dropped you off [TS]

  bikini atoll very close another place [TS]

  that the bomb the port of San Francisco [TS]

  so you are somebody who got kicked out [TS]

  for being a the game San Francisco [TS]

  started in World War two [TS]

  is a wanted to see this is 1 this is one [TS]

  Ark there's another arc which is of [TS]

  course like the beats and stuff but [TS]

  that's all you know there's a synergy to [TS]

  all these stuff happening and one of [TS]

  them is there's a whole bunch of people [TS]

  think about that think about the self [TS]

  selection of that like you were a gay [TS]

  dude in the in the fucking Navy Army [TS]

  whatever who acted upon it like you were [TS]

  ready to like risk that sure you get [TS]

  thrown out and you're like holy fucking [TS]

  shit there's all these other dudes here [TS]

  who wanted the same thing [TS]

  yes hooray exactly and it's like this [TS]

  it's like your snake plissken but it is [TS]

  being dropped into a new york city [TS]

  prison camp it's all shiny guys you're [TS]

  dropped into a hilltop city surrounded [TS]

  by water and donald pleasance want to [TS]

  suck your dick [TS]

  my point is you land and I think first [TS]

  of all let's partay [TS]

  I think that's glorious I think it's [TS]

  amazing if you're somebody who has [TS]

  trouble understanding how you fit into [TS]

  the world and who you are to land in an [TS]

  environment where suddenly you're not [TS]

  the definitely like quote-unquote fucked [TS]

  up person and and I'm trying to make [TS]

  this case to her and saying hey lucky no [TS]

  castro street in in 1976 really listen I [TS]

  was just you have really engage this [TS]

  woman and conversation right now I'm [TS]

  trying to make a case to her that that [TS]

  she's saying the gay marriage should not [TS]

  happen San Francisco implying I know [TS]

  she's saying gay marriage never happened [TS]

  and she's saying that basically San [TS]

  Francisco is like this petri dish for [TS]

  wrong and anyway I made the same case [TS]

  different and I made to my mom like she [TS]

  would see two guys kissing and get super [TS]

  uncomfortable not imagine you spent your [TS]

  entire life feeling like you're the only [TS]

  person in the world who is really [TS]

  screwed up about something and then you [TS]

  found a million other people or you know [TS]

  whatever hundred thousand people who [TS]

  felt the same way you because your [TS]

  family right and i think i was like you [TS]

  know you've got kids would love it if [TS]

  your kids felt out of place the whole [TS]

  life and they finally found somebody [TS]

  that understood them [TS]

  no not of your kids were kissing some [TS]

  other other person of the same sex [TS]

  clothes she said what auto ship said the [TS]

  problem is if we allow gay marriage [TS]

  people also be like allowed to marry [TS]

  their dogs and I don't [TS]

  and I was dumbstruck because I I always [TS]

  thought that was one of those [TS]

  make-believe like hillbilly things [TS]

  people said this is an educated woman [TS]

  who is a successful professional who [TS]

  thinks that gay people fuck children and [TS]

  dogs [TS]

  well if you read your history yeah you [TS]

  will you before work you this before [TS]

  World War 2 the the ones great nation of [TS]

  slop obeah witch which legalized man on [TS]

  dog marriage and it's spelled the end of [TS]

  their civilization [TS]

  so this happened this is sort of like [TS]

  between the Etruscans and the Assyrians [TS]

  the Slovenians were great seafaring [TS]

  people and the house and semen [TS]

  well there was considerable semen and [TS]

  and they you know they were great dog [TS]

  breeders and there's a seam and abroad [TS]

  and there were a lot of a lot of people [TS]

  who felt like their dogs were refined of [TS]

  character and noble of temperament and [TS]

  that they would make fine spouses [TS]

  partners part life partners truth and [TS]

  and they would spell that the doom of [TS]

  their civilization [TS]

  yeah so a little bit of an outlier your [TS]

  mom and a lot of the Conservatives have [TS]

  have a valid point if you if you believe [TS]

  that history speaks to our present [TS]

  condition there's just there's so many [TS]

  things and I don't like politics but [TS]

  this is not politics this is like the [TS]

  culture and it's important life and [TS]

  culture is the section of the newspaper [TS]

  that you turn to immediately sure I like [TS]

  to see what karl lagerfeld showing right [TS]

  right [TS]

  I'm just saying like if you get one [TS]

  thing that's one thing to be talking [TS]

  about policy and politics and it's [TS]

  another thing to talk about like [TS]

  somebody's ability to just live like a [TS]

  like a normal human being and the [TS]

  problem is she does not think that's a [TS]

  normal human being [TS]

  no and as much as I didn't want to take [TS]

  the bait I finally just got done button [TS]

  hold and have to walk away cause like I [TS]

  you know that this is exactly you and I [TS]

  had an argument a couple of years ago [TS]

  where I said that I don't believe that [TS]

  christians or religious people of any [TS]

  stripe should drink alcohol [TS]

  wasn't drunk when we talked about this [TS]

  and you argued you argued that I was [TS]

  being ridiculous and that Christians [TS]

  didn't have to get a lot more specific [TS]

  of course should be able to drink [TS]

  alcohol and i said no i don't think so i [TS]

  don't remember this because the [TS]

  religious experience thing [TS]

  yeah I don't think that what I don't [TS]

  think that religious people should drink [TS]

  alcohol or take drugs or or commit [TS]

  adultery or do any bad things because it [TS]

  because they have they have eternal [TS]

  reward in heaven to look forward to [TS]

  whereas the rest of us who are going to [TS]

  spend eternity in torment the only fun [TS]

  that we get is here on earth did you [TS]

  know finger banging each other and if [TS]

  the Christians are in here also like [TS]

  sopping up all the gravy with their buns [TS]

  that it's all that much less gravy for [TS]

  me and the rest of the secular humanists [TS]

  due to Eternity and in the pit of fire [TS]

  so personally I personally I feel like [TS]

  religious people should be if they can [TS]

  if they cannot handle the responsibility [TS]

  of living in cities while maintaining [TS]

  their sort of separatist I another [TS]

  separatists identity then I think that [TS]

  they should be corralled into camps / [TS]

  nice ones nice camps because this world [TS]

  they can be fixed the camp's can be made [TS]

  to be nice [TS]

  separate but equal let's just say all of [TS]

  Oklahoma so we could put it we could put [TS]

  some fencing it can be attractive [TS]

  fencing i'm not saying it has to be [TS]

  cyclone wire is kind of Marcus Garvey [TS]

  type situation they want to be together [TS]

  let's get a mouse game altogether look [TS]

  at is I don't understand why religious [TS]

  people want to live in cities cities are [TS]

  vibrant places that people can stitch [TS]

  things in each other and yell at each [TS]

  other and there's a there there are all [TS]

  kinds of people smoke marijuana there [TS]

  are all kinds of things that happen in [TS]

  cities [TS]

  I don't understand why religious people [TS]

  even want to be here [TS]

  I feel like they they probably don't and [TS]

  that they are here just because they [TS]

  were born here or their parents moved [TS]

  them here and where they really want to [TS]

  be is in a bucolic place somewhere where [TS]

  they can't be too they can't be injured [TS]

  by offense [TS]

  speech or by seeing men kiss or whatever [TS]

  it is that's hurting their feelings and [TS]

  that place could be maybe that the [TS]

  entirety of Kansas Nebraska let's not [TS]

  mince words you want to put everyone in [TS]

  utah you want a cute on converted to a [TS]

  full crazy crazy religion that there's [TS]

  something [TS]

  here's the problem i would like to [TS]

  respond also please continue alright [TS]

  here's the problem with utah right in [TS]

  the middle of Utah there's a there's a [TS]

  range of mountains called the Rocky [TS]

  Mountains and unfortunately if you look [TS]

  at you talk to map it seems plenty big [TS]

  enough to hold all the religious people [TS]

  but unfortunately everything west of the [TS]

  Rocky Mountains is an uninhabitable [TS]

  wasteland [TS]

  so all the religious people would have [TS]

  to live up in the mountains and on this [TS]

  high kind of rocky plain and I [TS]

  understand completely that religious [TS]

  people would potentially want maybe [TS]

  someone climate or some green green [TS]

  pastures truth so i can't confine them [TS]

  to you tie it has to be it has to be [TS]

  geographically more diverse there's that [TS]

  word again before diversity but I feel [TS]

  like some some geographical diversity is [TS]

  it is important for people maybe a [TS]

  little beach we could have a we could [TS]

  have like Galveston that could be there [TS]

  beach [TS]

  I don't know this is art and still [TS]

  pie-in-the-sky stuff tonight but I don't [TS]

  understand why religious person would [TS]

  want to live in [TS]

  yeah san francisco city i really don't [TS]

  like until you graduate from college [TS]

  john w capable of so much of a better [TS]

  argument than that that is that it's got [TS]

  to be one of the nine to 16 weakest [TS]

  arguments I've ever heard you make what [TS]

  are you talking about doesn't make a [TS]

  lick and that is that is that is to [TS]

  understand how bananas close to a [TS]

  religious insanity that argument is I [TS]

  know you're being exaggerating but no [TS]

  you don't really believe that about [TS]

  people of faith people of faith will you [TS]

  what you use this word religious so [TS]

  you're tying in like you know what you [TS]

  know Coptic Christians with like you [TS]

  know UFO cult like what is anybody in [TS]

  your life is any faith in something snow [TS]

  no that's not what I'm saying you're not [TS]

  you're 60 I think you should i eat i [TS]

  think you need to separate the people [TS]

  who have jobs in narcotics anonymous are [TS]

  entitled to have a Power greater than [TS]

  selves uh-huh and still live in cities [TS]

  should avoid this did the Cassie [TS]

  question i'm gonna know what I'm just [TS]

  gonna I'm just gonna put a stake in the [TS]

  ground here this is gonna have to be [TS]

  another episode III can't even begin to [TS]

  shoot take apart all the ways that you [TS]

  are so incredibly wrong about that so [TS]

  much of that apart from one of the [TS]

  people that put people in a bad state [TS]

  there's a lot of people i would like to [TS]

  put in a bad state we're talking about [TS]

  that Oklahoma bad state [TS]

  I don't know the wind comes sweeping [TS]

  down the plain is that still the case [TS]

  there are plenty of nice things in [TS]

  Oklahoma do you have a sense of how [TS]

  however never eat sushi there how is the [TS]

  corner give any sense of that the corn [TS]

  is above your head [TS]

  I say it in a musical guy are you [TS]

  I thought you're trying to quote from [TS]

  the musical Oklahoma which brings me [TS]

  back to my question which is that where [TS]

  you regarded by the legitimate [TS]

  homosexuals as something of a [TS]

  carpetbagger part of my pardon my french [TS]

  you soon as a carpetbagger you home in [TS]

  you come in you hang out a little bit [TS]

  with your musky masculine and you're and [TS]

  you're like finish classes collection [TS]

  and and you're in there making out with [TS]

  people you're taking pieces off the [TS]

  table so to speak where you seen as a [TS]

  carpetbagger on Roderick I think that [TS]

  but I think that'd be legitimately [TS]

  well-adjusted young homosexuals of [TS]

  Seattle we're not interested in pursuing [TS]

  a brief relationship with me but the [TS]

  number of young well-adjusted [TS]

  emotionally well-adjusted gays in [TS]

  seattle in 1992 was a fraction of the [TS]

  population of the homosexual community [TS]

  through most of the young homosexuals [TS]

  were also confused and frankly also [TS]

  their sexuality was on a continuum right [TS]

  there were some who were more inclined [TS]

  to make out straight boys there were [TS]

  some who were more inclined to sort of [TS]

  be right on the fence [TS]

  also this is a problem of vegetarianism [TS]

  to now if you're vegetarian [TS]

  let's go back let's go back and look at [TS]

  something like the boys in the band [TS]

  which now as a movie seems like [TS]

  something from another planet because [TS]

  it's so broad you ever see that movie [TS]

  the play i did it say I liked it I liked [TS]

  it a lot my mother actually directed [TS]

  that as a one-time you're playing around [TS]

  there's a lot of mincing and it's almost [TS]

  like an allegory it's almost something [TS]

  Rod Serling was like with all right like [TS]

  that you're the seven kinds of [TS]

  homosexuals arguing independent marked [TS]

  as late as the early nineties i think [TS]

  that was still more or less [TS]

  representative of how I'm gonna take it [TS]

  like for the time you know there's a lot [TS]

  of stairs a lot of things that happened [TS]

  in the sixties where you would look back [TS]

  and go wow that still that seems pretty [TS]

  casually racist in retrospect but you go [TS]

  wow it's pretty amazing that like you [TS]

  know you look something like in the heat [TS]

  of the night [TS]

  I mean it's incredible that that man got [TS]

  baked in some ways it's so good in city [TS]

  party is so obviously the smartest [TS]

  person in the movie and I think at the [TS]

  time a lot of cactus kind of racism too [TS]

  well known at the time [TS]

  not compared to hang something from a [TS]

  tree I mean that's a pretty long way to [TS]

  have Hollywood putting a good-looking [TS]

  guy as the lead Bill Cosby on man from [TS]

  uncle what have you forget everything [TS]

  but said was to their credit didn't [TS]

  really Lynch a lot of people thought [TS]

  that you never know how did you find out [TS]

  about here's the part 1 here the problem [TS]

  now so you take something like boys in [TS]

  the band and like I think if you were a [TS]

  8th most probably most people i'm [TS]

  guessing something closeted you know i [TS]

  mean it was not cool to be out of the [TS]

  closet unless you know except in very [TS]

  specific situations are very specific [TS]

  cities i bet on the size of that cool [TS]

  that's right but you saw that movie and [TS]

  for the first time you saw yourself on [TS]

  screen yeah maybe mincing but you [TS]

  weren't just like the Clifton Webb [TS]

  character or something when you see you [TS]

  you're talking about me if I were gay I [TS]

  don't know I don't know I could go [TS]

  either way [TS]

  good you and me both for a while I've [TS]

  lost my point again you know the fact is [TS]

  i can't say i don't understand this [TS]

  episode John model year i'm completely [TS]

  and I said we've been doing a lot of [TS]

  coffee [TS]

  I know I quit caffeine so that all [TS]

  brother win I quit caffeine on new [TS]

  year's day huh [TS]

  I haven't had any caffeine Zanu you're [TS]

  still not sleeping [TS]

  no I sleep like a baby about but the [TS]

  reason I want to go to the doctors i'm [TS]

  walking around in a fog all the time I [TS]

  don't have any uh uh i'm fortunate [TS]

  always foggy I feel a little foggy and [TS]

  feeling funky but here's the thing about [TS]

  that's the thing about being gay if the [TS]

  right young man approached me after a [TS]

  show before [TS]

  I have I i have to say that really if he [TS]

  smelled right but there's a lot of smell [TS]

  and involved if you smelled like every [TS]

  time I still give it a go but you worry [TS]

  about your culpability in that working [TS]

  out because he might feel the same way [TS]

  maybe maybe that that particular way [TS]

  that you smell could be quote unquote [TS]

  right to him racing that's a possibility [TS]

  could be could be [TS]

  I mean I've smelled right to people [TS]

  before but here's the way I am I no [TS]

  longer i'm no longer in the business of [TS]

  worrying about other people's capability [TS]

  through they are looking for you [TS]

  yeah I think that's terrific i think i [TS]

  was arrested themselves when they when [TS]

  they come up against me when they meet [TS]

  me in a dark alley making up the up to [TS]

  me in the in the high corn you know [TS]

  they'd better they better be a better [TS]

  bet their a game because i'm not gonna [TS]

  hold their hand know who threw finally [TS]

  like 45 musicals a lot but not all night [TS]

  there aren't many others just like [TS]

  problems it's like palms I thought I [TS]

  like poetry and look like a you know the [TS]

  range of poetry and it's like it's like [TS]

  folk music 15 poem or reggae or musicals [TS]

  were like it turns out i like well no I [TS]

  mean I'll say they're like five poets [TS]

  maybe that I like that you're going to [TS]

  be contrast you celebrate the entire [TS]

  Jerry Lewis catalog that's not accurate [TS]

  but I'm not going to sit there and like [TS]

  spend an evening reading Gary Snyder or [TS]

  something [TS]

  no no offense and they don't know where [TS]

  the turtles are very nice but it right [TS]

  and so that's the problem this is this [TS]

  is this is part of the problem we get to [TS]

  users tell me what of the Jerry Lewis [TS]

  stuff you don't like this you really [TS]

  want to get into this now ugh I wish you [TS]

  wouldn't change the topic i'm emily i [TS]

  limit myself to four cards i want to [TS]

  talk more about the driver and I felt [TS]

  like from the very beginning that we had [TS]

  switched roles this season of reveling [TS]

  in this is not a difficult this is not [TS]

  difficult to understand at a high level [TS]

  Jerry Lewis is fascinating [TS]

  yes because my goodness because even if [TS]

  you're not being reductive he is full of [TS]

  so many paradoxes and and so many like [TS]

  unresolved bowl [TS]

  just warring size to his personality [TS]

  ride that day the clown cried is [TS]

  actually get some it i don't think it i [TS]

  mean i've seen like the script patton [TS]

  oswalt claims to have feelings [TS]

  yeah I mean it's okay yeah a lot of [TS]

  people claim to have seen it i know [TS]

  Harry Shearer how to copy the script I i [TS]

  I've seen bits from the script and it's [TS]

  some staggering and how many pages like [TS]

  300 pages I mean it's a very very long [TS]

  movie for those for those in our [TS]

  audience in the minority who don't know [TS]

  what this is going to explain you're [TS]

  gonna explain the day the crown clown [TS]

  cried [TS]

  it's it out keep it short i mean the [TS]

  background is that people could [TS]

  wikipedia except then wikipedias is [TS]

  closed begging you not to get me started [TS]

  on that the arm here's the thing Jerry [TS]

  Lewis decided to do a movie uh where he [TS]

  plays a a clown and I believe poland on [TS]

  the same helmet dork how much work is a [TS]

  clown also makes fun he makes fun of the [TS]

  Nazis they put him in a death camp it [TS]

  becomes his job to do clown stuff to [TS]

  make children going to the gas chamber [TS]

  right so that's the Jerry Lewis movie [TS]

  and had trouble getting it made [TS]

  apparently he had to go to I want to [TS]

  sweeten conceivable I don't have the [TS]

  number in front of me but I you know [TS]

  it's one minute per page generally in [TS]

  the script hundred is pretty much [TS]

  something something like it's a really [TS]

  would be a real it's really fucking long [TS]

  movie i don't think it was completed but [TS]

  is it but he did draw attention to one [TS]

  of the little known fact facets of the [TS]

  Holocaust you know you know about the [TS]

  gypsies and you know about obviously the [TS]

  Jews and heterosexuals who speaks for [TS]

  the clients who speaks with a client [TS]

  that's right i didn't say anything I [TS]

  didn't say anything when they came to [TS]

  the clouds for class because i wasn't a [TS]

  clown right and then when they came for [TS]

  me there is no one left to keep shooting [TS]

  with seltzer [TS]

  that's right horns honk their red nose [TS]

  here the nice thing though I mean you'd [TS]

  be amazed how many of those clowns you [TS]

  can actually fit into a gas chamber [TS]

  what's up so my point is here's the [TS]

  thing about Jerry Lewis if you go out if [TS]

  you go out and search for this if you go [TS]

  in search for the decline Christ you [TS]

  will find production skills productions [TS]

  still you know that you will see in [TS]

  pictures of that they're absolutely [TS]

  horrifying [TS]

  yeah because it's jerry lewis in shitty [TS]

  clown makeup wearing the like Auschwitz [TS]

  striped outfits [TS]

  mmm and guess what happens when a person [TS]

  no longer has people around him who can [TS]

  tell him no this is the George Lucas [TS]

  problem and here's the thing about Jerry [TS]

  Lewis and I like to move on because this [TS]

  is not that interesting isn't it is that [TS]

  he is full of these kinds of nobody can [TS]

  dispute the amount of great things that [TS]

  he did for the Muscular Dystrophy [TS]

  Association in the sense that he brought [TS]

  in a ton of money and if to use a phrase [TS]

  that is virtually meaningless today he [TS]

  raised a huge amount of awareness about [TS]

  the disease was very unknown in [TS]

  otherwise really most muscular dystrophy [TS]

  is and i watch that telephone river for [TS]

  10 years probably you know why you know [TS]

  why because you either the parts where [TS]

  they make you cry and they talk about [TS]

  whatever duchesne something something [TS]

  right but mostly you and him about [TS]

  Leslie you remember him acting like he [TS]

  was retarded and talking about his kids [TS]

  and bringing up grown men in wheelchairs [TS]

  and trying to make them cry on stage [TS]

  there thereby bringing all these people [TS]

  into his twisted universe where where he [TS]

  could at once [TS]

  don't you remember you might remember [TS]

  the one a few years ago when he joined [TS]

  him with the chorus and was like doing [TS]

  the whole like about the long thing and [TS]

  let me stop you right there i have not [TS]

  watched the journalist telephone since [TS]

  1978 and you call yourself and you call [TS]

  yourself bisexual [TS]

  I don't remember the one from a couple [TS]

  of years ago I wasn't aware they still [TS]

  happened what I generally get dropped [TS]

  out this last I remember turning yeah i [TS]

  was in a in a beach cabin in on Maui for [TS]

  the man with a man or by yourself [TS]

  flowers with my father that's simple in [TS]

  1978 at that point I was just [TS]

  experimenting with my relatives who were [TS]

  politician it was beautiful out it was [TS]

  beautiful the waves were crashing on the [TS]

  beach with a beautiful sunny Hawaii day [TS]

  and that we were inside watching the [TS]

  Jerry Lewis telethon because it was not [TS]

  something that you missed it was a [TS]

  cultural it was like an after school [TS]

  special it was like a it was like a [TS]

  Marlin Perkins how is it there was no [TS]

  question I mean you know what happened [TS]

  once a year you want right that's right [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  and indeed your father enjoy that you [TS]

  guys stay up late or stars come out with [TS]

  your dad didn't watch it my dad was a [TS]

  was an old enough person to know that [TS]

  this was dumb but is fighting against [TS]

  Sammy Davis jr. [TS]

  my dad loved Sammy Davis jr. my dad was [TS]

  that same generation so it's a very very [TS]

  talented manually as 1i Sam yeah Sam [TS]

  who's yeah he's racing cars in less than [TS]

  I won I won I won I everything isn't [TS]

  that's right that's right married and [TS]

  sweetest girl who is much taller than he [TS]

  was [TS]

  she was handsome that was a good-looking [TS]

  ladies and attractively she was super [TS]

  cute those guys really are they must [TS]

  have had a time [TS]

  yeah well if you read the biographies [TS]

  sean lee biography which I'm sure you [TS]

  will now called King of Comedy you you [TS]

  will realize what a tortured individual [TS]

  he's I'm not gonna go on about this i'm [TS]

  gonna start a separate podcast with the [TS]

  golden will be able to talk about all of [TS]

  this something before I'm not going to [TS]

  hurt much as I'd like carpetbagging [TS]

  teabagging you know what here's the [TS]

  thing also you know what you want to [TS]

  talk about is I got a card I got a card [TS]

  now we go back to Schwartz commando it [TS]

  means white no black what's white lice [TS]

  vice shorts commando you never read [TS]

  gravity's rainbow this tension [TS]

  yeah true I think I've the crying of [TS]

  area 51 [TS]

  that's that's a good place to start and [TS]

  end with that so tonight I would never [TS]

  change choice in today when I was very [TS]

  young then I walked into a bookstore [TS]

  choice and there was a man behind the [TS]

  counter who looked like a book store [TS]

  employee was a heavyset gentleman to go [TS]

  in our pollen and he had a red yet long [TS]

  red hair and a red beard which he had [TS]

  kinda shaved down his cheeks and he was [TS]

  wearing a sweater under a tweed jacket [TS]

  and he probably had a pipe in the pocket [TS]

  of his Mackinaw [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  and I said something gold spike sport [TS]

  and walked in and water the content [TS]

  look I I got some time to kill what's [TS]

  your favorite book [TS]

  I want to know your favorite book and he [TS]

  lights up his his formerly like pinched [TS]

  book store employee since cynical face [TS]

  lit up and he went oh [TS]

  gravity's rainbow and he comes out from [TS]

  my own account he walked me back into [TS]

  the you know to the peas and he pulls [TS]

  gravity's rainbow off the shelf and he [TS]

  goes you have to read it's the greatest [TS]

  book ever written and he gave himself to [TS]

  me for half price because he really [TS]

  wants me to you know I only had a dollar [TS]

  or something really really wants me to [TS]

  read this book and over the course of [TS]

  the next two years I tried to read [TS]

  gravity's rainbow but at one point I i [TS]

  had like i was reading the book in four [TS]

  different places I had bookmarks and for [TS]

  replacing the book and I was I would sit [TS]

  down and pick up the book at activation [TS]

  i could not finish and keep reading and [TS]

  I read this book and I read this book [TS]

  and I never made it past about page 512 [TS]

  reading it and I was picking and i put [TS]

  it down and read other stuff obviously [TS]

  and then that baby sitting there on the [TS]

  bookshelf throbbing this dull red glow [TS]

  you haven't finished me you are smart [TS]

  you can't read and finally one summer I [TS]

  was like you bastard [TS]

  I'm gonna read the fuck out of you and I [TS]

  sat down and I it was like it was like [TS]

  one at the time i read The Iliad all the [TS]

  way through i was like you are going to [TS]

  sit here and you're going to read this [TS]

  fucking book and I read the goddamn [TS]

  gravity's rainbow all the way through [TS]

  and when I was done was done [TS]

  oh I i I'm good i was going to say I [TS]

  threw it out the window but I didn't [TS]

  it's sitting on the bookshelf now I'm [TS]

  looking at it as i speak but it no [TS]

  longer throbs much and feel what was [TS]

  done did you feel like a sense of [TS]

  accomplishment or we just we winded [TS]

  well here's what happens in this book at [TS]

  page [TS]

  750 it's that long [TS]

  it's a long weekend [TS]

  I might be using the crying of lot 49 [TS]

  sorry for 149 as a short book [TS]

  well that's the at the GF proof arc to [TS]

  the wasteland right it's much more at [TS]

  you know Dubliners kind of way in right [TS]

  yeah yeah it's scary but uh but at about [TS]

  read about page 1750 or whatever i don't [TS]

  i don't remember how many pages it has [TS]

  but all the way back after it's like [TS]

  you've already read five books that [TS]

  don't make any sense at all [TS]

  it's the story starts to come together [TS]

  and you're like oh wait I know what he's [TS]

  talking about [TS]

  now finally after 700 pages of reading [TS]

  through gibberish I know what he is [TS]

  referring to now and and now i am [TS]

  getting it and then the last little bit [TS]

  of the story is like a fun adventure [TS]

  story where you're like yay i'm glad you [TS]

  get a little you get a little dessert [TS]

  the end it's like it's like it you have [TS]

  to suffer you have to basically read The [TS]

  Silmarillion and again a little hobbit a [TS]

  lot i am i started a new car and I can't [TS]

  decide if you're if you're up for a [TS]

  lightning round I thought we could do [TS]

  lighting around also i want to talk a [TS]

  little bit about something not today but [TS]

  it doesn't if you tried like to talk [TS]

  about whether people confuse Tom of [TS]

  Finland with Tom's made because i think [TS]

  the whole thing that happens if you had [TS]

  like I'm looking for some tom's of Maine [TS]

  tooth whitener government you confuse it [TS]

  with Tom of Finland tens what story are [TS]

  in all that i bet some stores are used [TS]

  to either one of those going wrong you [TS]

  can solve that if you got a big gay sex [TS]

  store by just having some toothpaste in [TS]

  there and got to make everybody happy [TS]

  here is that toothpaste is pretty gross [TS]

  Tom of Finland I bet it is gross well it [TS]

  depends to ten percent like yeah [TS]

  calamine lotion I remember my first [TS]

  which the baking soda toothpaste [TS]

  consistency on rock it was not until [TS]

  last year I thought crest and colgate [TS]

  were essentially interchangeable and now [TS]

  i cannot have Christ in my mouth it is [TS]

  so disgusting to me all academic [TS]

  how can I go 44 years without knowing [TS]

  the difference in Christian Colgate I [TS]

  thought it was a meaningless mean was [TS]

  brand difference right you know what I [TS]

  really like you I think a cup of [TS]

  hydrogen peroxide and switch around my [TS]

  mouth for a minute [TS]

  you have to do special stuff with your [TS]

  with your teeth you have to do like any [TS]

  kind of special cleaning stuff with your [TS]

  make-believe teeth [TS]

  the number the number of pages I have [TS]

  somewhere in this house detailing all [TS]

  the special stuff I have to do with my [TS]

  teeth for real it's like gravity's [TS]

  rainbow it's a braid you have a bridge [TS]

  no I don't have a printer I have a [TS]

  there's a tooth wear my missing two [TS]

  things over there is a tooth and it's [TS]

  basically soldered in place held up the [TS]

  place by a combination of braces glue [TS]

  wheatpaste sawdust horsehair guitar [TS]

  string and it just it just covers their [TS]

  hearts gotta Dario bridge and it just [TS]

  hovers there and I'm I can't this is why [TS]

  i can't get a big pastrami sandwich [TS]

  anymore because my my front tooth my [TS]

  main pastrami incisor is it's not [TS]

  functional justice system facade i am [TS]

  writing this on one of my actual cars [TS]

  i'm going to keep nearby I i if and when [TS]

  you're comfortable but we don't have [TS]

  time today i would like to talk about [TS]

  the the teeth and how they got there me [TS]

  know yeah but no no I know mean pastrami [TS]

  incisor is that right [TS]

  mm that's pretty good Tom of Finland ok [TS]

  alright well you never you know the top [TS]

  of finland stuff here's the problem with [TS]

  the legislature romp with Tom finland [TS]

  this is where I realized that whatever [TS]

  whatever on the gay scale I was it was [TS]

  very straight [TS]

  that's super gay is that I masculine men [TS]

  i don't find attractive at all about [TS]

  bears no no you don't like a bear right [TS]

  they find me attractive a distance i [TS]

  love bears are the friends of mine i [TS]

  have a couple friends that are bears or [TS]

  bear chasing guys and and the I gotta [TS]

  say of of the the different you know [TS]

  self-identifying groups and easily one [TS]

  of my favorites there's some go along [TS]

  get along guys able to make the beer [TS]

  Superman that [TS]

  I don't know like I don't know thousands [TS]

  of gay people but among my friends who [TS]

  are gay i think i think the bears are [TS]

  pound-for-pound the most fun [TS]

  well pound for pound pound for pound the [TS]

  thing about the Bears you like [TS]

  everything a day i was having like if I [TS]

  if I really needed to cry which net [TS]

  which which the last time it happened [TS]

  was nineteen eighty-four but if I really [TS]

  need to cry and I had a bear friends [TS]

  that I could just lay my head on his [TS]

  chest or and really really like have a [TS]

  good cry [TS]

  yeah that's that's the one type of [TS]

  person in the world that is big enough [TS]

  and furry enough and comforting enough [TS]

  but I could actually lean on them as [TS]

  opposed to always being the one that [TS]

  people lean on you go with one of those [TS]

  shiny gym rats that's all that's all [TS]

  things you don't like I don't like crazy [TS]

  exactly try to help that guy going to [TS]

  slide right off the the world my [TS]

  homosexuality manifests itself [TS]

  exclusively and being attracted two [TS]

  twinks that is not a word that is not a [TS]

  word that I know it's like a little [TS]

  filipino kind of guy [TS]

  well like a cabana boy you have like a [TS]

  compatible like your dad like a Moroccan [TS]

  how do you think it kind of tiny and [TS]

  friendly is tidies friendly smells good [TS]

  cook extremely good cook twi NK his hair [TS]

  his hair kind of like comes down [TS]

  playfully in front of his like Leonardo [TS]

  DiCaprio thing I could like a young [TS]

  Leonardo DiCaprio who is not playing a [TS]

  retarded pretty fat ok a tent and twink [TS]

  no no you know what fat is ok like a [TS]

  little chubby little little twink that's [TS]

  not those are the ones i always bet on [TS]

  it strength upon don't think twink is [TS]

  being funny okay i think that is in the [TS]

  the great game lexicon I think twink is [TS]

  an accepted reference something we're [TS]

  only allowed to call themselves that [TS]

  well like I like mexicans this is one of [TS]

  those things where I feel like I live on [TS]

  Capitol Hill have lived on capital for [TS]

  many as 50 miles house and talk about [TS]

  your mom's house and i am i'm entitled [TS]

  bye-bye grandfathering through and by [TS]

  you know by having my pinky and enough [TS]

  people's poopers that i can use the [TS]

  lexicon is very gentle very gentle how [TS]

  do you pick a pinky I don't you know [TS]

  what you actually you know what I don't [TS]

  want to go back to picture you [TS]

  twinks crying 1984 was an Olympic thing [TS]

  the crying of lot 49 [TS]

  ok I got it really her thing when I [TS]

  cried in 1984 I've ever seen [TS]

  I was a teenager I cried because some [TS]

  girl was mean that's the first thing [TS]

  that's the last time you cried I don't [TS]

  know attractive my teeth with my parents [TS]

  yelled at me the last time I cried I [TS]

  don't know what I have everything I [TS]

  cried when my dad died [TS]

  oh I'm sorry about that well you start [TS]

  talking about crying and yeah I don't [TS]

  ask for [TS]

  I like that guy his fun to be around [TS]

  he's good he's a pistol he was a pistol [TS]

  in fact that's a phrase he would have [TS]

  used he's a pistol and now our listeners [TS]

  are going to think that you're making a [TS]

  silly dad voice but he sounded like that [TS]

  but 10 times more potent brew and [TS]

  managerial this one [TS]

  ok so I'm lightning around here [TS]

  ok so tristram shandy to finish it no [TS]

  keeps his Endymion long poem member at [TS]

  it [TS]

  infinite jest you ever go all the way [TS]

  through yeah i read it really okay i'll [TS]

  come back to that you listen problem but [TS]

  but more entertaining Maddox absolutely [TS]

  now you've been through Ulysses all the [TS]

  way [TS]

  no okay anyone home movie Empire no okay [TS]

  the closest I've gotten with any of [TS]

  these I've started Ulysses them i did [TS]

  Ricky doesn't give you all the way [TS]

  through which was brutal and I get [TS]

  partway through tristram shandy and I [TS]

  keep thinking each time like how awesome [TS]

  this book is and then again I'm dropping [TS]

  never come back as you don't do this [TS]

  Beowulf as a long one yeah true is it in [TS]

  its middle middle was that in like a [TS]

  translation or is it all that goofy [TS]

  middle-middle talk that metal talk the [TS]

  Middle English yeah I i keep thinking I [TS]

  can finish Ulysses and I can I can I [TS]

  feel like a dumbass [TS]

  I feel like I i I'm like Johnny liberal [TS]

  arts and I can't finish Ulysses I keep [TS]

  trying keep reading things alright [TS]

  you're not supposed to use its not its [TS]

  here's my thing about all these now the [TS]

  Warhol thing clearly that's a test for [TS]

  douchebags [TS]

  yeah because the thing about Ulysses [TS]

  over when it was written it presumed [TS]

  that people had an intimate familiarity [TS]

  with the Bible Shakespeare and of the [TS]

  great you know and and Wittgenstein and [TS]

  the great works of man up to that point [TS]

  right here [TS]

  so in order to properly read and [TS]

  understand that book you have to have [TS]

  you have to have a complete liberal arts [TS]

  education as understood in 1912 for and [TS]

  none of us do [TS]

  I mean I tried to accumulate that kind [TS]

  of education i tried to acquire it on my [TS]

  own [TS]

  through years of diligent study and i [TS]

  have i have an education that looks like [TS]

  i mean i have a completely checkerboard [TS]

  education so that none of the one of the [TS]

  illusions none of the one of the you [TS]

  know the the connective tissue that [TS]

  makes that book a tremendous read for [TS]

  someone [TS]

  like who is completely vested in [TS]

  literature run of that isn't available [TS]

  to me it's just I I'm just glancing off [TS]

  of it I'm like a pachinko ball going [TS]

  down it's really all I get that [TS]

  no I think I got that was that a [TS]

  reference well without her I don't even [TS]

  know what was that it was a reference to [TS]

  job was that a reference to Napoleon I [TS]

  don't understand and you you go through [TS]

  and you just like a lot of it is just a [TS]

  lot of it is just word game it's just [TS]

  game I hate to admit this at this point [TS]

  in my life but I've I've come to feel [TS]

  that way about the wasteland and so I [TS]

  mean I i actually there's a really good [TS]

  class that i did not take my favorite [TS]

  teachers tie at school which is called [TS]

  literary substrate of the wasteland and [TS]

  you do you know obviously read the [TS]

  wasteland studying stuff but you also [TS]

  read the bibliography like you you read [TS]

  you know just us 10 the Grail myth book [TS]

  you read you know you read every [TS]

  shakespeare thing that this referenced [TS]

  in that but the funny part is like the [TS]

  weird part is like I like that better as [TS]

  a piece of musicality with with the [TS]

  funny little bits of language and stuff [TS]

  in it and he does little crazy voices [TS]

  and stuff in here and read it but the [TS]

  more I learn about exactly what it was [TS]

  that he was aiding all this little Greek [TS]

  bit the more it just seemed kind of [TS]

  cobbled again that sounds that sounds [TS]

  awful because I just love it so much but [TS]

  now I guess you're just you're just a [TS]

  guy with a fake English accent showing [TS]

  off sometimes you know I think a lot of [TS]

  that stuff a lot of that literature as [TS]

  science was really important at the time [TS]

  and we live in a world now that is post [TS]

  that stuff so that stuff had to happen [TS]

  in order to free up the the mind free up [TS]

  the cultural to the culture of of [TS]

  literature so that it could produce a [TS]

  you know it could produce don delillo or [TS]

  whatever i'm not sure but but we we live [TS]

  we live in the aftermath of it and so it [TS]

  isn't strictly necessary that we go back [TS]

  and and participate in the revolution [TS]

  again we can just be happy that it [TS]

  happened and go on reading detective [TS]

  novels are stories that are interesting [TS]

  or fun i'm not saying [TS]

  unless they hate it or something i'm [TS]

  still think it's a remarkable remarkable [TS]

  thing but isn't it kind of funny that [TS]

  like you get this and components on my [TS]

  ass but you know you go through this [TS]

  very structured great books kind of [TS]

  Education everybody gets the same sort [TS]

  of Western culture education that they [TS]

  could have something like Ulysses makes [TS]

  sense for the wasteland kind of makes [TS]

  sense you'll even get the references you [TS]

  know I'm starting back to say like you [TS]

  know all that stuff means i guess but in [TS]

  a weird way they become sort of an [TS]

  indictment of the very education that [TS]

  you've had [TS]

  well the fingers that Ben colleges [TS]

  append the words great books to all [TS]

  kinds of curricula but no one has the [TS]

  attention to truly have a great books [TS]

  education anymore like no 1i i challenge [TS]

  you to find me a PhD student in [TS]

  literature that has read that has read [TS]

  one-fifth of the books that a high [TS]

  school graduate in 1870 had read you [TS]

  know like that [TS]

  there just isn't there isn't the reason [TS]

  to [TS]

  we don't need to have read all that [TS]

  stuff and they the only reason they did [TS]

  at the time was there wasn't anything [TS]

  else to do so we have we have this all [TS]

  like oh we're giving you a great books [TS]

  education at the universities and [TS]

  they're not you can take a film class [TS]

  you know you can't take this any of the [TS]

  50 is all well and good but I wish we [TS]

  had cable you know and you [TS]

  we just have to accept even as educated [TS]

  people who that there that we cannot [TS]

  just as we cannot go back to a time [TS]

  before you know when you know when women [TS]

  couldn't have the vote as much as we [TS]

  might want to [TS]

  we also cannot go back to a time when [TS]

  people were when when when the vast [TS]

  majority of people shared the same 20 [TS]

  books when everyone had read the same [TS]

  any any educated person that read the [TS]

  same 20 books we can't go back to that [TS]

  you can't duplicate it and I feel sorry [TS]

  for those people who are 20 years old as [TS]

  I was who really think like that is [TS]

  essential is necessary for me to go back [TS]

  and read those 20 books and understand [TS]

  them [TS]

  in order to be a fully-fledged person [TS]

  because you spend a lot of time for [TS]

  beating your head up against a culture [TS]

  that is that the the important parts of [TS]

  the good parts of have been assimilated [TS]

  into our culture enough that most people [TS]

  you know those references go by and most [TS]

  people don't even know what they are [TS]

  that it's just it's just part of which i [TS]

  think it's kind of a MacGuffin now I [TS]

  mean in Texas to reference one of the [TS]

  great works of the last hundred years [TS]

  the karate kid I mean it's daniel son to [TS]

  understand how do these moves with the [TS]

  wax on wax off [TS]

  he thinks this guy's just some dumb fuck [TS]

  who is a gardener right but what he's [TS]

  teaching him is this repetition that [TS]

  ends up anything benefiting him in a way [TS]

  he didn't want i think some of the great [TS]

  book stuff i think people miss the point [TS]

  when they think it's about reading a [TS]

  bunch of white guys you know I I mean [TS]

  I'm not saying that's good better and [TS]

  different I mean if you do if you don't [TS]

  read a lot of Lady authors you're really [TS]

  gonna be missing out like if you don't [TS]

  read to kill a mockingbird or whatever [TS]

  like you're gonna you know these books [TS]

  you should read but I think there's [TS]

  something to be said for like whether or [TS]

  not you like the gym equipment to just [TS]

  keep going to the gym and thanksgiving [TS]

  somebody to a way where they could have [TS]

  a place where they could have an [TS]

  intelligent conversation based on having [TS]

  had to digest that much material is not [TS]

  a bad idea you know III don't know what [TS]

  could replace that I think it's I think [TS]

  we get really way off track sometimes [TS]

  with this whole like we don't value [TS]

  books anymore or you know I'm you know [TS]

  used to be you have five books in the [TS]

  Bible and that's all you had and/or or [TS]

  for that matter of those douchebags in [TS]

  the in like the early nineties who were [TS]

  about you know who really were like I'm [TS]

  trying to come up with some cultural [TS]

  cannon and then of course there's the [TS]

  other side this is no there shouldn't be [TS]

  a cultural cannon [TS]

  it's like I don't fucking care what you [TS]

  do but just do a lot of it until you're [TS]

  smart thats the hard part of that is not [TS]

  that you should sit there and learn your [TS]

  ciphers or whatever cipher and a bit [TS]

  like you know [TS]

  yeah you get good at multiplication [TS]

  because you learn all of those through [TS]

  hundred and eventually doing long enough [TS]

  and you know how to multiply this is [TS]

  this is the the problem of the karate [TS]

  kid analogy is that what was he an [TS]

  orphan or something [TS]

  ganesan I I never watched the [TS]

  Connecticut notices his mom I think you [TS]

  they divorced in his mom had to live in [TS]

  a cheap apartment right he was said [TS]

  there was something that he leaves [TS]

  office and that was the girl in that [TS]

  I have no idea but she's cute who's the [TS]

  girl in in war games [TS]

  girl in in war games [TS]

  Oh shady LCD she's slightly messed up [TS]

  teeth which I should keep them toxin in [TS]

  case the the myth of the karate kid is [TS]

  that any teenage kid I don't care if [TS]

  somebody's putting cigarettes out on [TS]

  your arms any teenage kid is going to go [TS]

  do chores for some guy until he becomes [TS]

  a karate expert topping a twink the [TS]

  brown the problem now is that I don't [TS]

  think that I don't think there is any [TS]

  depth left i think everyone has a [TS]

  tremendous tremendous fillip familiarity [TS]

  with it with an incredibly wide surface [TS]

  of information and to you know to equate [TS]

  I don't know [TS]

  22 to expect young people to to have the [TS]

  mental fitness to to learn anything at [TS]

  depth when there's so much at breath [TS]

  available I think we just have to we [TS]

  have to re-evaluate what being smart is [TS]

  we have to we have to just we have to [TS]

  acknowledge that being smart now is [TS]

  maybe a different thing that sounds [TS]

  really depressing to me [TS]

  well accept it accept it's a form of [TS]

  evolution of me being smart 50 years ago [TS]

  was a completely different thing that [TS]

  was in seventies a lot smarter literate [TS]

  i would say the definition of being [TS]

  literate is changing like litter in a [TS]

  sense of you know are you able to so I [TS]

  think being smart because what what [TS]

  being smart was 50 years ago was having [TS]

  at ready hand in your mind a tremendous [TS]

  encyclopedic knowledge of either one [TS]

  thing or of several things but now [TS]

  that's completely unnecessary it's a [TS]

  waste of your brain because all that [TS]

  knowledge is available on your phone i [TS]

  look at my phone six hundred times a day [TS]

  for her and what what good does it do [TS]

  for me to know I you know the the place [TS]

  names and dates [TS]

  I mean it's one thing for me to [TS]

  understand the course of the thirty [TS]

  years war and what its significance is [TS]

  in history but for me to remember any of [TS]

  the dates or place names is ludicrous i [TS]

  can i can find it on my phone and a half [TS]

  a second and so what we used to be [TS]

  caught what we used to call intelligence [TS]

  was in large part just memorization [TS]

  of things and now most of that has been [TS]

  made obsolete [TS]

  so what is intelligence now that we have [TS]

  to call it the ability to draw together [TS]

  disparate ideas and things across a wide [TS]

  spectrum of knowledge and make sense of [TS]

  them at the center you know we have to [TS]

  be able to draw on things and make snake [TS]

  and former hubs out in space and say [TS]

  here's the hub where you know where the [TS]

  Tama finland and and a MacGuffin here's [TS]

  where those things link up here is a [TS]

  world in which those things coexist who [TS]

  you have to be able to form those hubs [TS]

  and that is a different kind of [TS]

  intelligence than being able to memorize [TS]

  her being able to to pass your med [TS]

  school exam or you know it's a systemic [TS]

  knowledge it's a it's it's a much more [TS]

  biological bomb and then I mean india [TS]

  that having to read if you have to read [TS]

  all of the you know ancient greek stuff [TS]

  if you have to read you know all the [TS]

  Roman history stuff if you if you would [TS]

  ensure that could be a total death march [TS]

  but it gives you a real context for [TS]

  understanding things about history and [TS]

  relationships and as i said before i'm [TS]

  here i think it's really helpful to [TS]

  understand the stories you know I my [TS]

  concern with some of this goes back to [TS]

  how fucked up the educational system [TS]

  seems to be and and you know it will be [TS]

  a whole other season of this show to [TS]

  talk about the way kids are tested now [TS]

  we can be attached to the test [TS]

  believe me I think every person should [TS]

  read Plato and I think every person [TS]

  listening to this podcast if they have [TS]

  not read Plato they should go get [TS]

  play-doh and they should read it because [TS]

  it's all there like everything that you [TS]

  are wondering about right now is in [TS]

  Plato and if you have read it and [TS]

  understand and it's very easy to read [TS]

  that's the thing most people don't read [TS]

  from remember i read i read all the [TS]

  major dialogues and I honestly don't [TS]

  remember that much about I couldn't tell [TS]

  you which ones are wish I could take [TS]

  some names but I don't remember what [TS]

  happened to them [TS]

  I think if you went back and read it [TS]

  again you would find that it was a [TS]

  breezy read who's not like reading Freud [TS]

  it's like reading so it's very [TS]

  conversational river and really a lot of [TS]

  a lot of the stuff that you know that [TS]

  every year undergraduate goes cool [TS]

  oh my god i just had a great i just had [TS]

  a tremendous realization and 90 [TS]

  and percent of the time that that [TS]

  realization was already in Plato and he [TS]

  could he could have saved himself the [TS]

  Domino's Pizza that it cost him to use [TS]

  his brain to figure it out because it's [TS]

  already it's already written down [TS]

  somebody already was there so i mean i'm [TS]

  not against the great books obviously [TS]

  don't let me try to give you an angle on [TS]

  what I'm actually trying to say here [TS]

  which which is that if you take [TS]

  something [TS]

  imagine this unholy mixture then and [TS]

  near the center of this i think you have [TS]

  to put the testing stuff the testing [TS]

  stuff is if you talk to anybody who's [TS]

  teaching school right now it's a [TS]

  completely different world than you and [TS]

  are in student no child left behind all [TS]

  that kind of nonsense if you want [TS]

  funding you know there's teachers who [TS]

  rather than having to cheat then having [TS]

  to like basically tell their kids what's [TS]

  on the test in order to you know get in [TS]

  the past so I mean that's me as an [TS]

  elephant in the room but here's the [TS]

  other part like an honest has always [TS]

  been on smart kids to educate themselves [TS]

  ok here's what I'm trying to say like [TS]

  there was it you said again there was a [TS]

  time when you could at least count on [TS]

  least when I was in public schools as a [TS]

  kid it might be the only thing in your [TS]

  life that was a real rock you might have [TS]

  had like a tough home life you might [TS]

  have had not much to eat but you can get [TS]

  a fucking yellow bus and go to school [TS]

  and there was a meal there for you if [TS]

  your tomato soup and they had a much [TS]

  bigger [TS]

  yeah but had a much better free [TS]

  breakfast I mean that had a much bigger [TS]

  role than just trying to just trying to [TS]

  get you to you know get George Bush [TS]

  reelected so right i want you here but [TS]

  here's what can here's what worries me a [TS]

  little bit is what if you took all the [TS]

  most hollow and pretentious and fucked [TS]

  up and broken and misunderstood pieces [TS]

  of the entire pedagogical culture of the [TS]

  last you know millennium and [TS]

  misunderstood them in such a way that it [TS]

  drain all of them up out of what made [TS]

  each they took out of armed each of them [TS]

  what made them special right so the [TS]

  great you know there's with you took [TS]

  these ideas of like well we should all [TS]

  have a common education or there should [TS]

  be some kind of a bar that we all agree [TS]

  represents this or you say a teacher [TS]

  should be you know and you know like [TS]

  Alexander pedagogical or not didactic [TS]

  but you become this kind of character [TS]

  that is respected you take all that and [TS]

  pretty soon you've got like half of some [TS]

  fuckhead at a community college [TS]

  who's sitting there and thinking any [TS]

  sister or something you know I'm just [TS]

  worried that if there's no center to [TS]

  this other than how we get our budget [TS]

  for next year [TS]

  nobody [TS]

  have any idea what the real purpose of [TS]

  being in that room is and when that [TS]

  happens i think that's when you get a [TS]

  nation of dumb fucks because you're [TS]

  gonna get people gaming the system much [TS]

  like you and you're going to get people [TS]

  who don't even understand why it's great [TS]

  to know the story why it's great to know [TS]

  that extra Rome was gay but why this is [TS]

  such an interesting story why like we [TS]

  say the founding fathers did not agree [TS]

  on that much of anything right but but [TS]

  but we already live in a nation of dumb [TS]

  fucks and part of that point at all that [TS]

  you get what I'm saying that if you take [TS]

  all the bullshit of what education seems [TS]

  like without taking the Hard the [TS]

  difficult and the interesting part that [TS]

  made it great [TS]

  overtime is a shell it's a fucking shell [TS]

  i think it has to be reinvented you've [TS]

  got you eat you had no pride no previous [TS]

  point in history where 300 million [TS]

  Americans you cannot educate 300 million [TS]

  people the same way that you would [TS]

  educate 20 million people you can't you [TS]

  can't expect that that that the [TS]

  definition of what is useful and [TS]

  reasonable for 300 million people to [TS]

  know is the same you know that when the [TS]

  United States was founded the number of [TS]

  people that the ten percent of the [TS]

  population was actually literate and it [TS]

  is in some ways it's the toaster problem [TS]

  after World War Two that there was this [TS]

  incredible influx into up into the [TS]

  American family of of labor-saving [TS]

  devices all we're going to give you the [TS]

  washing machine we're going to give you [TS]

  the dryer and the late all this labor is [TS]

  going to so much and so much free time [TS]

  so much free time and we are going to [TS]

  create a utopia for people sit around [TS]

  and write poems and make a you know and [TS]

  knit sweaters for trees and put a you [TS]

  know and and and make cufflinks out of [TS]

  old typewriter keys and sell them on [TS]

  Etsy like we're going to create this [TS]

  this utopic world utopian world because [TS]

  we're gonna have all this free time and [TS]

  we created all this free time and people [TS]

  the vast majority of peoples have now [TS]

  spent that time drinking 64-ounce [TS]

  mountain dews and watching television [TS]

  and that and that's not a eugenic ille [TS]

  argument it's a argument of just like [TS]

  listen that's always been the case there [TS]

  were there they're like literacy is not [TS]

  some kind of magic drug that creates a [TS]

  that creates like I like philosopher [TS]

  Kings out of everyone literacy is [TS]

  valuable and certain you know like a [TS]

  certain percent of the population [TS]

  exploits it and most people it just [TS]

  makes it easier to get around town i and [TS]

  III don't want to like devolved into a [TS]

  demographical like well I think two [TS]

  things one thing is also i mean i don't [TS]

  know this is just a conventional wisdom [TS]

  that's been exploded but the other side [TS]

  of the washer and dryer thing is it [TS]

  wasn't mom suddenly got to sit around [TS]

  and eat bonbons and take dexedrine it [TS]

  was that the standard went up the [TS]

  standard one up for what were expected [TS]

  to people that's that's what was not [TS]

  included in the vision of us being [TS]

  living and living in fucking Jetsons [TS]

  Rosie takes care of everything [TS]

  people thought that when washing driver [TS]

  came along or you know now you're gonna [TS]

  have to go get ice for your icebox [TS]

  frozen for standard of the standard went [TS]

  up only in only if you measure it one [TS]

  way I mean people still work already got [TS]

  his laundry they wanted to they wanted [TS]

  they wanted mom doing a little bit of [TS]

  laundry every day in some cases mom mom [TS]

  used to do laundry [TS]

  that was my name monday was a bad day [TS]

  exactly yeah and then Tuesday was [TS]

  ironing you know a that people still go [TS]

  to work for 40 hours a week but the [TS]

  amount of time they're actually working [TS]

  the first probably 15 hours and the rest [TS]

  of the time there there there be another [TS]

  fishing and about playing with their [TS]

  balls [TS]

  they will face you know when people went [TS]

  out to to work [TS]