Roderick on the Line

Ep. 19: "Finger Camping Trip"


  hello hi John how are you I'm Marilyn [TS]

  okay man you know I keep saying I'll [TS]

  think of a song and on with counter on a [TS]

  rich with the fucking thing that i'm [TS]

  going to rewrite the list to the janet [TS]

  jackson song to reflect my actual [TS]

  feelings for you because Janet's lyrics [TS]

  are fairly fairly antagonistic who but [TS]

  like the nature that record I think it's [TS]

  a statement of purpose [TS]

  yeah she's asserting herself she's [TS]

  breaking free jimmy jam Jimmy James you [TS]

  work with Jimmy Jam said his name is his [TS]

  name I i have not worked with jimmy jam [TS]

  but I if I was raised by an oppressive a [TS]

  Jehovah's Witness family home boy i [TS]

  would i would turn myself turn myself [TS]

  over to Jimmy Jam yeah be my guide he [TS]

  would he would be the pop the Pied Piper [TS]

  who gets the rats out of my undergarment [TS]

  my emotional life as the Mormons now [TS]

  know what about killing many tests [TS]

  what's his faith job Benitez you think [TS]

  about jelly bean many tests i think that [TS]

  he probably practices a Creole religion [TS]

  don't want the chicken ones [TS]

  yeah yeah some cybernation that's a [TS]

  couple a trustee and now it's not right [TS]

  say set sanrio Santeria i thought don't [TS]

  call it Rastafarianism about that's [TS]

  that's that would be people be bad [TS]

  although i think that probably not a lot [TS]

  of reggae we don't have a lot of reggae [TS]

  listeners and I wonder at times haha [TS]

  there [TS]

  I mean that is setting aside strictly [TS]

  spiritual music is there any other kind [TS]

  of truly escrow music that has such a [TS]

  closed following way by a religion [TS]

  people don't understand [TS]

  oh let's see [TS]

  bueno let's don't take something like [TS]

  you got your Christian soldiers you know [TS]

  and stuff like that but what are there [TS]

  other face I mean is there anyone there [TS]

  a lot of people who claim that indie [TS]

  rock right now is being colonized by by [TS]

  Christianity i think you said that on a [TS]

  number of occasions and I don't know I'm [TS]

  just repeating received wisdom you know [TS]

  I cut out i cut off i cut out the last [TS]

  three hours of our top haha apparently [TS]

  put up i only put up i only put the [TS]

  first hour just scream because they [TS]

  can't handle the truth [TS]

  no I've checked yeah yeah you know I've [TS]

  decided that I'm gonna go on the [TS]

  internet and just go page by page and [TS]

  and then mark and just mark all the [TS]

  places where people are wrong you have [TS]

  an app for that are just gonna write on [TS]

  your screen get a Sharpie just manual i [TS]

  started at is called a [TS]

  dictionary attack that's not a bad way [TS]

  to go and take less time than you would [TS]

  think she could probably do a lot you [TS]

  know [TS]

  however i have a reggae story i have a [TS]

  lot of vegas god i have a few regular [TS]

  scores not yours actually even bring [TS]

  these people to light [TS]

  just tell me the best regular story it's [TS]

  like when it's one of those stories [TS]

  where I don't take you off track you [TS]

  probably got you've been away are you [TS]

  doing well I feel like you're not [TS]

  feeling pretty good feeling great feels [TS]

  good even without Lynn I've been [TS]

  traveling and I started taking vitamin D [TS]

  oh I want and I went to the doctor and [TS]

  he ran a full battery of tests i said [TS]

  doctor give me the news and put it right [TS]

  back for now you put a/c he he stubbed [TS]

  his cigarette out in the in the little [TS]

  specimen Trey ahead he took he took 17 [TS]

  vials of blood with a rusty needle and [TS]

  he came back and said you've got plenty [TS]

  of iron came back and said you've got [TS]

  all the you've got everything you need [TS]

  including a little bit of high [TS]

  cholesterol [TS]

  you're kidding you just a little bit [TS]

  because of because of I'm have my [TS]

  insistence on on deep frying my pancakes [TS]

  can I had never thought of that it's [TS]

  like I'm gonna Cristo for breakfast yes [TS]

  hello Fred cakes with the bacon inside [TS]

  funny religion story when I was a when I [TS]

  was a kid sometimes stay over my friend [TS]

  jon's house and we got out before we [TS]

  went to church we would make a goes like [TS]

  you do for and when we made a goes this [TS]

  is such a Cincinnati kind of story you [TS]

  make the aygos they come out they got a [TS]

  little squeeze and personality part huh [TS]

  now the kind they come out it's so [TS]

  amazing that of Cincinnati toaster [TS]

  that's the Cincinnati style would be to [TS]

  put spaghetti and chili on any [TS]

  descriptions tonight a little sentiment [TS]

  your description scenario somebody if [TS]

  Kentucky and Indiana got really fucked [TS]

  up and had sex one night a few months [TS]

  later Cincinnati would come out it's [TS]

  like it's like the clan meets the creek [TS]

  but a few months later like not nine [TS]

  months later but not normally John five [TS]

  months later who don't know how do you [TS]

  think people have so many babies safe i [TS]

  love Cincinnati it's fine it's a nice [TS]

  place to grow up I like what Cincinnati [TS]

  of all the towns in America there are a [TS]

  few towns that adopted the long winters [TS]

  like right away from Cincinnati was one [TS]

  we would go there and just really be [TS]

  treated like kings and our shows that [TS]

  were great because of that radio station [TS]

  walk cwo XY my friend their website that [TS]

  the best is this item I didn't go away [TS]

  cuz i used to get money to them [TS]

  yeah I i donated them from chris class [TS]

  did their beautiful website on the best [TS]

  ok so we get everyone sunday morning we [TS]

  gotta get this right [TS]

  check out the aygos get squeezed parque [TS]

  right you squeeze parque all over it [TS]

  did you have a good butter in but you [TS]

  don't have butter because you know [TS]

  you're Protestant Ohio parque squeezing [TS]

  on squeeze it until until it's just this [TS]

  entire layer of parquet but then right [TS]

  you're going to of these so you get you [TS]

  to a ghost put parking between working [TS]

  on top then you do then you do the syrup [TS]

  you squeeze syrup sweet syrup on top and [TS]

  then you take approximately [TS]

  three-quarters of a cup of [TS]

  confectioner's sugar and cover the [TS]

  entire thing [TS]

  oh and then try to sit still and think [TS]

  about Redemption sister is this your [TS]

  regular story I don't overstay want to [TS]

  know i read a story up all look at the [TS]

  right the regulatory is a story I've [TS]

  never told really it's yeah it's it's [TS]

  anyway if you had to be there but long [TS]

  story short [TS]

  my lady when she you know still had the [TS]

  bun in the oven she's pretty late in the [TS]

  butter woman what you gotta do is drag [TS]

  impregnated life then we went to river [TS]

  rafting we went and we don't know why we [TS]

  did this we want to the Russian River [TS]

  this is not a cold war thing but we went [TS]

  there and we get a little boat you get [TS]

  on the river i have river raft with the [TS]

  russian river [TS]

  well you know it's not super complicated [TS]

  but we're in there and you know long [TS]

  snake-like to indicate that you know me [TS]

  I don't go outside like that's true [TS]

  that's true my Japanese lady a parasol [TS]

  is a big deal you're going on the [TS]

  Russian River very small electronics [TS]

  she's super pregnant and we're in this [TS]

  boat we got all our stuff you know [TS]

  you've got stuff when you go out there [TS]

  and I you know me I don't love being in [TS]

  the sun right but anyway we're rolling [TS]

  along and suddenly out of nowhere [TS]

  we're in this crazy little bit of what [TS]

  was the first of all that we missed our [TS]

  exit [TS]

  there's an exit when you get off we [TS]

  missed the sign to get off and go you [TS]

  know take your boat back and so we [TS]

  didn't know that we kept going we don't [TS]

  lie to me as great as my wife sense of [TS]

  direction is I was probably whining she [TS]

  was distracted i do not have the innate [TS]

  sense of direction that you do you [TS]

  didn't have a god no short but no and so [TS]

  we we go into this suddenly when this [TS]

  little like not a rapid exactly but just [TS]

  enough to crazy pregnant lady an idiot [TS]

  like we can't control the boat [TS]

  the vote is in bad shape the boat and [TS]

  despite my best efforts the boat [TS]

  completely flips over very violently oh [TS]

  yeah friends all of us and you [TS]

  understand we wanted to stop doing this [TS]

  an hour ago [TS]

  uh-huh you know you really want to stop [TS]

  doing something and you're like I just [TS]

  need one more thing at the same way and [TS]

  now you're in the water [TS]

  well we're in the water our stuff is [TS]

  floating away and my lady like took a [TS]

  little bit of a hit in the gut going [TS]

  over so all freaking out a little like [TS]

  we probably are not going to have a [TS]

  six-pack of these we really want this [TS]

  one to work out so now she's worried I'm [TS]

  worried I'm running around trying to [TS]

  gather consumer goods and get them back [TS]

  in the boat and it's still like another [TS]

  hour worry we're walking around carrying [TS]

  about we go to the wrong place to go to [TS]

  the beach now you gotta go back this [TS]

  weekend following up the river and you [TS]

  know you just have those days are just [TS]

  like oh god I just I want this never to [TS]

  have happened right and the closest I'm [TS]

  gonna get to this never happened is [TS]

  having it [TS]

  and so they place you drop in your but [TS]

  the place they pick you up with a book [TS]

  to different places so you go and it's [TS]

  of course its water and movies you would [TS]

  start at one end of the river that's [TS]

  right and it isn't a loop [TS]

  no it's not river doesn't loop around [TS]

  back to the top that's right and so we [TS]

  finally got back to the book place it's [TS]

  all fucking MOOCs and hippies sitting [TS]

  around with their with the fucking [TS]

  macrame and bush lights and just like [TS]

  fucking kill me [TS]

  that's their culture and you know I hate [TS]

  reggae right i really hate reggae yeah [TS]

  so like oh Jesus God I just want to go [TS]

  somewhere it's not in the Sun I want to [TS]

  make sure that she's comfortable and we [TS]

  get in this old busted ass bus [TS]

  yeah and you ever get on a bus with like [TS]

  the jokey driver [TS]

  yeah we'll never go to a second location [TS]

  with a hippie haha that's totally true [TS]

  myself that's that's that's from 30 rock [TS]

  that's not a good one yeah thats true [TS]

  though I have made it my mantra that [TS]

  joke came from it was so funny so we get [TS]

  into this big like like hippie bus and [TS]

  everybody's all drunk and a little [TS]

  sunburned and happy and we're just [TS]

  sitting there like you know like the way [TS]

  the way the larger bonide well like the [TS]

  guy looks when sam-i-am won't go away [TS]

  you know the expression has hmm can I [TS]

  just be left alone and we're sitting [TS]

  there and it's like a grabber grabber [TS]

  yeah and he puts on fucking legend of [TS]

  course legend [TS]

  I never he wants you to feel irie I was [TS]

  feeling super fucking IRA if you've been [TS]

  through college you never need to hear [TS]

  legend again but don't think that bacta [TS]

  tank and gentlemen and it's fucking [TS]

  desperately loud now the MOOCs have to [TS]

  yell louder everybody on their super [TS]

  date rapey they got there they got their [TS]

  glasses on the back of their t shirt [TS]

  collar and they got like those that's [TS]

  real rapey adidas shower sandals [TS]

  yeah those are raping and we're just [TS]

  sitting there just going and and over [TS]

  you were transformed by the message of [TS]

  positivity you know I thought I might be [TS]

  I thought I might want to make a God's [TS]

  eye or something but like that's ready [TS]

  for me now is anytime my wife and I are [TS]

  anywhere and we hear like one note [TS]

  especially a bob marley we just look at [TS]

  each other and like if you get a smartly [TS]

  but not likely i want to leave out the [TS]

  Peter crush but well I why have i not [TS]

  heard Bob Marley before [TS]

  right i hereby i hereby claim bob marley [TS]

  as my DJ name things are going to google [TS]

  that and it's been so many bobgoblins [TS]

  but I want to be Bob Marley I don't care [TS]

  about the other bob bob marley update [TS]

  his myspace anymore anyway it's a stupid [TS]

  story but you know that situation your [TS]

  top so you don't feel this way a lot i [TS]

  know but like weirded out by the whole [TS]

  like as our baby okay and stuff like [TS]

  she's all big and stuff and I and now [TS]

  she's here we go through our mothers [TS]

  belly so goddamn loud and now every time [TS]

  I hear a reggae song it's called trigger [TS]

  work for me it's a trick or two and four [TS]

  be discussed but just order two and four [TS]

  anyway I hate regular hit everywhere i'm [TS]

  sorry to keep saying date rape but every [TS]

  time here Jimmy Buffett or reggae it [TS]

  just sounds like something the guys who [TS]

  are thinking about date rape would [TS]

  listen to yeah it's awful like nobody [TS]

  gonna sit around listening to the wrens [TS]

  and do that kind of stuff this this is [TS]

  for bad people right now friends are not [TS]

  bad news it's not absolutely not like [TS]

  you get the thing is anyway you get when [TS]

  you know it's like whatever is paul says [TS]

  you know wherever two or more of your [TS]

  gathering his name [TS]

  you get two or more moose in a room and [TS]

  there's gonna be some fucking reggae [TS]

  right it's a nice looking somewhere else [TS]

  that you would never find two friends [TS]

  fans in a room together [TS]

  well the ECB race fans but they're [TS]

  different always there's one in an [TS]

  elevator somewhere weeping softly and [TS]

  let's not retired now there's one in his [TS]

  closet trying to pick which one of these [TS]

  two pairs of pants to wear the day they [TS]

  waited to but anyway I I just don't like [TS]

  reggae it's one of the things I never [TS]

  need to hear again i understand i mean [TS]

  i-i got my reggae stories are legion [TS]

  because of course I grew up in the same [TS]

  area that you did except with a with an [TS]

  open mind to reggae's and so I really [TS]

  have an open mind to break a yeah was [TS]

  young [TS]

  yeah but somehow I thought hippies might [TS]

  be cool too and I think story the door [TS]

  never slammed i'm not saying that i have [TS]

  listen to reggae and a very long time [TS]

  but but but as a musician i have to [TS]

  admire the the reggae music it's like [TS]

  the CNN of music just like what people [TS]

  put on [TS]

  well it just this is the problem this is [TS]

  the thing yeah here's the thing here's [TS]

  the thing with reggae [TS]

  just the thing this is true of every [TS]

  musician you cannot pick your fans [TS]

  I've told you this story right the first [TS]

  time but when built to spill first [TS]

  started playing in Seattle uh all of [TS]

  their fan all their initial fans in the [TS]

  very small clubs were all other [TS]

  musicians and cool kids and go to build [TS]

  this bill shows and it felt like oh man [TS]

  this is a real this is a real thing it's [TS]

  a real family you know and then I [TS]

  remember the day I went to build this [TS]

  bill shows they're still playing at the [TS]

  crocodile is still 300 capacity but I [TS]

  walk in the place is a pact and be [TS]

  everyone in the place has a white [TS]

  baseball cap on backwards now really and [TS]

  I went what the fuck who added who about [TS]

  how did these people get to see him [TS]

  liking that duck Marsh Marsh I I don't [TS]

  like in that at all [TS]

  that's the thing you can you looked up [TS]

  on stage and you can see that the band [TS]

  their body language had changed they [TS]

  were not facing the crowd they were not [TS]

  they looked like they were like nervous [TS]

  and uncomfortable and at the end of [TS]

  every song like all around there's [TS]

  people like wow yeah well and you know [TS]

  of course that had never happened before [TS]

  either and and that was my introduction [TS]

  to this concept of you know build [TS]

  spilled it would never have chosen these [TS]

  people if they could they would have [TS]

  electrocuted these people but this we [TS]

  get this with the frat boys were their [TS]

  fans now and they became a frat boy band [TS]

  and there was nothing they could do [TS]

  about it and then of course i was in [TS]

  harvey danger the the ultimate band that [TS]

  wanted their fans harvey danger wanted [TS]

  their fans to be pavement fans or smith [TS]

  and smith fans and Harvey dangers actual [TS]

  fans were hot topic teenagers and you [TS]

  know and people that didn't like that [TS]

  felt Green Day was great but just not [TS]

  sophisticated quite enough i see people [TS]

  who go to wherever the MTV Spring Break [TS]

  things happening and hope that they get [TS]

  on camera [TS]

  yeah exactly and so Harvey danger was in [TS]

  a constant state of misery as a band not [TS]

  because their music had changed they had [TS]

  done anything wrong but just because [TS]

  people chose to like them who the the [TS]

  the band didn't admire right so I [TS]

  learned [TS]

  that that you cannot choose your fans [TS]

  and if you try if you make any you know [TS]

  if you have any emotional whole on like [TS]

  who you want your fans to be you're just [TS]

  going to be in misery you have to walk [TS]

  out onstage and do your thing [TS]

  so a bob marley seems like a good guy he [TS]

  did not choose to be the meat the music [TS]

  of of date rape or whatever whatever it [TS]

  is that you're here you're claiming [TS]

  you're saying over i'm not saying it's [TS]

  actually no I know exactly what you mean [TS]

  I'm saying like you know what but there [TS]

  it is [TS]

  but there is Bob didn't choose it I felt [TS]

  that way when I saw Nirvana in whatever [TS]

  1994 there planets which the story but [TS]

  they're playing a stadium a stadium but [TS]

  you know like the civic center in [TS]

  Tallahassee with the Breeders opening [TS]

  and the Breeders actually like did a [TS]

  pretty good job [TS]

  I mean you know they printed a pretty [TS]

  good job filling the room turning [TS]

  Nirvana came out and it was it was it [TS]

  was one of the like defining moments of [TS]

  my music and especially the kind of [TS]

  indie rock ark was i SAT there with all [TS]

  my gosh I really like this band but they [TS]

  seem so little they were so little on [TS]

  that stage you know but they had all [TS]

  this bombastic set stuff going on and [TS]

  when they did the whole like she's the [TS]

  one who likes all our pretty songs and [TS]

  everybody sing along like you don't have [TS]

  to be a huge ironist to sit there and go [TS]

  this is awkward like there's a big [TS]

  spinning mirror ball and people are [TS]

  literally singing along with well but [TS]

  you know he tried if you if you read the [TS]

  liner notes on incest aside there's this [TS]

  whole he writes this whole essay on like [TS]

  if you if you are raper [TS]

  then stop listening to our music like he [TS]

  actually you actually addressed rapers [TS]

  directly and said if you don't like gays [TS]

  or if you're if you like if you're a [TS]

  raper then you can fuck off and stop [TS]

  listening to nirvana because we don't [TS]

  want you and I remember even at the time [TS]

  1993 making the internet reader says [TS]

  guys rapers yeah sure [TS]

  first thing they got through there [TS]

  anything in here that should know about [TS]

  in terms of whether i should listen to [TS]

  this band know what they what they would [TS]

  do you know they're looking through [TS]

  there like who's the second assistant [TS]

  engineer on this project but i'll listen [TS]

  to this it's an article about rappers [TS]

  hope that's me tony levin played on that [TS]

  that's club [TS]

  I'm not [TS]

  I i guess i should stop listening to [TS]

  them but I don't want to what are my [TS]

  other options [TS]

  oh I could stop raping uh-huh even at [TS]

  the time I thought come on core never [TS]

  did that come on i'm sure that corn did [TS]

  not but not i think that after Kurt or [TS]

  before Curt no one has ever addressed [TS]

  the rapers directly in the liner notes [TS]

  and I think after curd of the subsequent [TS]

  artist felt that it had been done and [TS]

  that they needed to win to advance the [TS]

  betrayed someone well I i think you know [TS]

  you can see way too much about coding [TS]

  but I mean to me he is a serious [TS]

  cautionary tale of the whole be careful [TS]

  what you ask for or didn't realize [TS]

  you're asking for sonra I mean yeah it's [TS]

  a super obvious to say I mean don't know [TS]

  he knew what he I mean I wrote the [TS]

  community was in Photoshop said I've [TS]

  said this before although probably not [TS]

  to you but there was a there's a big [TS]

  article in the local rock magazine here [TS]

  and you know the paper the weekly paper [TS]

  called the Rocket a big interview with [TS]

  him right before nevermind came out and [TS]

  i read it at the time because i have a [TS]

  memory like a steel trap [TS]

  I remember the gist of the record of [TS]

  this of this interview probe primarily [TS]

  because i was a junior envious probably [TS]

  I was an aspiring musician and here was [TS]

  somebody who was where I wanted to be [TS]

  and I was trying to like clean whatever [TS]

  wisdom I could get and in this interview [TS]

  he was and maybe he was having a manic [TS]

  day that day but he really was [TS]

  unabashedly about like this record is [TS]

  gonna be the biggest record in the world [TS]

  and we're going to be the biggest band [TS]

  in the world and this is going to be [TS]

  where this you know we are on the way to [TS]

  like achieving all our dreams and of [TS]

  course at the time it was so implausible [TS]

  that I mean they're their first record [TS]

  sold 50,000 copies and i think that you [TS]

  know they didn't dare to do even like [TS]

  way more than my honey these guys are [TS]

  going to succeed like they're not even [TS]

  on the radar screen but he's in this [TS]

  article just crowing about and this is [TS]

  writing for the thing came out you know [TS]

  this record the best record anybody's [TS]

  ever made and we're gonna be the biggest [TS]

  pain in the world [TS]

  well so it was there another reason that [TS]

  this stuck in my head is it wasn't [TS]

  but six months later that i'm reading [TS]

  things from him like we're just a you [TS]

  know hardcore punk band we just wanted [TS]

  to her in our van and I don't know why [TS]

  everybody's looking at me all the time [TS]

  and I want this to go away and you know [TS]

  I still had this prior article in in my [TS]

  memory in my short-term memory my ram if [TS]

  you will [TS]

  uh-huh and wet know my rom which one was [TS]

  it in my rammer my rom it was in your [TS]

  floppy it was in my floppy I hadn't [TS]

  stolen my floppy so i was able to [TS]

  compare and contrast the two the two [TS]

  attitudes in my own head and I went uh I [TS]

  don't know about that [TS]

  and of course this was right at the same [TS]

  time that that any better [TS]

  who had been wearing like doctors dogs [TS]

  Sex Wax t-shirt six months before and [TS]

  high-top tennis shoes and he was like a [TS]

  high five and white guy Mikey all the [TS]

  Sun was carrying around a bottle of red [TS]

  wine and like oh fuck I'm so her inside [TS]

  when I when the Kaiser help i was like [TS]

  where you r i5 and white guy six months [TS]

  ago and now you're hurt inside either [TS]

  that means that every high five and [TS]

  white guy is really hurt inside and all [TS]

  he needs is several million dollars to [TS]

  get in touch with his feelings several [TS]

  million dollars in the agile ation of [TS]

  millions or some of this is a little bit [TS]

  of a put-on and i'm not saying that head [TS]

  is a Collins a short name that's what [TS]

  that people up here calling I I you know [TS]

  when I see my comment mr. better [TS]

  Stevie but but people in seattle call [TS]

  ahead and so I go along with that [TS]

  because I'm something awfully familiar [TS]

  I'm a follower it is well it is you know [TS]

  that Seattle has to feel has to continue [TS]

  continue to feel proprietary about [TS]

  people that have become internationally [TS]

  international superstar [TS]

  uh-huh and so they do it by by using [TS]

  inappropriate nicknames or by well [TS]

  sometimes it's a little bit like San [TS]

  Francisco I mean you know San Francisco [TS]

  has a [TS]

  another kind of reputation for like you [TS]

  know if you see all units [TS]

  yeah absolutely hundred percent down the [TS]

  middle [TS]

  nice tight pants but you know where [TS]

  you're supposedly notorious or famous [TS]

  for like a like we don't make a big deal [TS]

  when you see it all everything notorious [TS]

  which is that cover record they did they [TS]

  did the render and that would cover [TS]

  record the covers like think about cover [TS]

  records don't do it [TS]

  yeah don't do a cover record name one [TS]

  girl she'll just did a cover record [TS]

  well of a mistake incredibly obvious [TS]

  covers even the Johnny Cash cover record [TS]

  with triangle which I credit with [TS]

  reintroducing me to solitary man by neil [TS]

  diamond a great song and johnny cash's [TS]

  cover of it is great but don't do a [TS]

  cover record it always seems like a good [TS]

  idea going in but it's not you're saying [TS]

  there's no you're not interesting just [TS]

  ironic cover records and pattern thing [TS]

  you're saying cover records in general [TS]

  bad idea [TS]

  I don't know by 11 artists covering [TS]

  another artist that's a bad idea [TS]

  well no I think playin a cover and show [TS]

  is a great idea nobody make a tribute to [TS]

  a tribute to the fastbacks like is that [TS]

  a bad idea [TS]

  oh no no I'm saying one band does a [TS]

  record of their 10 favorite covers it [TS]

  feels it feels like not to use an old [TS]

  mr. shoujo but I mean it's kind of like [TS]

  here to the video for sugar cube by yo [TS]

  tengo where they gotta Rock School and [TS]

  and David Cross is like and then your [TS]

  third record should be the live album [TS]

  you know it's weird how they're still is [TS]

  this cycle where a certain point you [TS]

  know you gotta put up the best of the [TS]

  greatest hits the whatever LOL has like [TS]

  a hundred and seventy of those but you [TS]

  know at a certain point it seems like [TS]

  when you really start to dry things up [TS]

  that's so different than Paul and get [TS]

  back or what would become let it be four [TS]

  paws like hey look guys we keep this [TS]

  together we've really got to get back to [TS]

  our roots right and so a lot of that was [TS]

  going in and going back to covering a [TS]

  lot of it didn't make it on the album i [TS]

  think we are like covers of all rock and [TS]

  roll songs that they also managed to [TS]

  write long wet every yeah yeah no no I [TS]

  tell you graduate [TS]

  I guess I'm agreeing with you in there [TS]

  yeah it's making a desperate but it's [TS]

  like if you were still full of ideas [TS]

  I mean you look at ulia van Halen van [TS]

  Halen had two albums in the can [TS]

  after a few weeks surprisingly you read [TS]

  that article i didn't know that i didn't [TS]

  know that like first album was great [TS]

  second album i think the second album is [TS]

  really good too but the point is they [TS]

  recorded them at the same time right and [TS]

  they still had tracks left over right [TS]

  like spanish fly [TS]

  I'm saying that van Halen to uh huh is [TS]

  not in the top five van Halen records [TS]

  really yeah women children first but he [TS]

  was a gain what's the one change that's [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  fair warning yeah fair warning and women [TS]

  and children first are my two favorite [TS]

  van Halen records and stop Yulin yeah [TS]

  because they are they're so dark there [TS]

  so they're so smart [TS]

  I i had a cassette tape with with with [TS]

  those a b-side and I just that studies a [TS]

  good one I think I still gotta say I [TS]

  mean to me [TS]

  van Halen one like side one of Master of [TS]

  Puppets yeah i mean like i want to [TS]

  master of puppets I don't know what your [TS]

  feeling on that is that to me that's [TS]

  like that's almost perfect [TS]

  it was amazing with the whole records [TS]

  great but the first side of that is [TS]

  anyone I I would never say a bad word [TS]

  about it is one of the great albums that [TS]

  is it is bulletproof and in fact it's [TS]

  like I was so different and so so [TS]

  different from everything else it's kind [TS]

  of maybe up above the level where where [TS]

  I feel like I could even make a critical [TS]

  appraisal it's kind of like going like [TS]

  magical mystery tour isn't as good as a [TS]

  revolver it's still a pretty good record [TS]

  sure it's not a great record it's not [TS]

  really a great record will be the next [TS]

  day I I don't mind if you notice i was [TS]

  able to peg both Van Halen's apotheosis [TS]

  their Zenith as well as the beginning of [TS]

  the end in forwards here one break haha [TS]

  well is it was really really goes to [TS]

  support the break Dave when he does [TS]

  forwards you go on the one hand this is [TS]

  the David Lee Roth eous David Lee Roth [TS]

  said this is back when he was still [TS]

  awesome but ya go [TS]

  that's the beginning like a couple years [TS]

  later it's just a gigolo yeah well [TS]

  that's the thing I you can you can [TS]

  almost hear Eddie Van Halen's I balls [TS]

  rolling in his head [TS]

  yes at that moment of like oh Jesus what [TS]

  have we become absolutely absolutely and [TS]

  and I mean you know they probably did I [TS]

  don't knowingly providing tons of takes [TS]

  but they might just presumably Ted [TS]

  temperament that's saying that you think [TS]

  right when you are very very rare break [TS]

  that's probably temperament right yeah [TS]

  but I mean that don't you think that's [TS]

  kind of a manicured outtake moment you [TS]

  hear yours [TS]

  you're speculating that it wasn't [TS]

  completely spontaneous about this before [TS]

  like the countin on a song or this you [TS]

  know boys like you got the beach boys [TS]

  here that with the beatles using enough [TS]

  details [TS]

  well you probably do this but if you [TS]

  listen up Beatles bootlegs you know [TS]

  there's a lot of crazy stuff that went [TS]

  on the studio that's really funny and [TS]

  silly and you're John's down into the [TS]

  songs he actually counted into the songs [TS]

  the Beatles did 40 takes but you have [TS]

  you ever heard the alternative and your [TS]

  bird can sing i'm i'm sure i have all [TS]

  dude if i can say i can't bring it to [TS]

  the front of my like it you like a wreck [TS]

  12-string right of course [TS]

  oh well no internet here I've got [TS]

  something for you i'm going to out [TS]

  Beatles you buddy at somebody now if I'm [TS]

  not a superfan I'm gonna send this right [TS]

  back at you [TS]

  I IRA from not serve nothing I were [TS]

  talking last night is the time when he's [TS]

  nice he's the tall nice one although [TS]

  they're all nice now too good [TS]

  he said he said you can see just now is [TS]

  sweeping the dreadlocks out of my face [TS]

  while i smoke you [TS]

  he said it's gonna be back as the here's [TS]

  what I want to do I want you to google I [TS]

  ready for this you have your google on [TS]

  and get Michael on camera google Randy [TS]

  Bachman first quarter of hard day's [TS]

  night Randy Randy cock grow up on hard [TS]

  day's night hard day's night moves and [TS]

  what you will find it actually is you [TS]

  chords you know that right [TS]

  it's three chords that guitars I used to [TS]

  think it was open six strings of the [TS]

  guitar [TS]

  no I'm sorry guitars Randy Bachman [TS]

  explain well because of the base there's [TS]

  the base in there too [TS]

  Randy Bachman explains Abby Cleo of BTW [TS]

  oh and yeah yeah Randy Bachman explains [TS]

  that he went to abbey road and they [TS]

  called up here and they said we have all [TS]

  the beatles masters hear what you want [TS]

  to hear and he said I want to hear the [TS]

  first quarter of hard day's night and so [TS]

  they called it up [TS]

  and it turns out it's to gorge on the 12 [TS]

  string playing an F I'm not gonna I'm [TS]

  not gonna sit here and tell you when I [TS]

  was you listen to it well is there is [TS]

  there somebody pushing an F with it with [TS]

  but he's got to he's got the top g and [TS]

  the bottom g added onto the F and then [TS]

  John is playing addy sus4 on his guitar [TS]

  and then Paul is playing D on the base [TS]

  so these guys like I thought it was he's [TS]

  playing like an open F with G like g on [TS]

  top bottom and then and then so but then [TS]

  these guys are center they're sitting [TS]

  there with their good parts as at sea [TS]

  against put it put it he [TS]

  wow that sounds so discordant it and and [TS]

  then these guys in this randy bachman [TS]

  thing he actually goes ready guys 1234 [TS]

  bang and they hit the cord and tears [TS]

  come to your eyes because it's exactly [TS]

  the court [TS]

  damn ya huh I never guess that birds huh [TS]

  and I had a little bit LOL is beginning [TS]

  of that tax man did we say one time [TS]

  we're going to a podcast about tax man [TS]

  forget about taxman Gotye won those [TS]

  remastered things came out intact i was [TS]

  listening to it in my car tax man came [TS]

  on i was like give me a fucking break [TS]

  you can hear you can hear the mosquitoes [TS]

  in the room [TS]

  oh yeah that recording so i think is it [TS]

  and your bird can sing i think that [TS]

  might be the only video song according [TS]

  to Paul that he never played on George [TS]

  place based on that so Wow no way no way [TS]

  I'm sorry I'm sorry she said 10 take it [TS]

  all back to go back Paul play second [TS]

  guitar on and your bird can sing his [TS]

  best guitar player in the band and he [TS]

  did not play on I want to say she said [TS]

  she said I'm pretty sure you're [TS]

  including all those all the songs the [TS]

  oldest jaan songs later always on [TS]

  everything according to Paul you know [TS]

  what I don't have this in front of evil [TS]

  and narrator we're going to get letters [TS]

  without me you know there's a bunch of [TS]

  ones were you know as you know he ended [TS]

  up playing drums on some of the White [TS]

  Album stuff and as we discussed he plays [TS]

  me the most interesting guitar parts on [TS]

  some of our favorite beatles i just sat [TS]

  in a dressing room in Philadelphia [TS]

  Pennsylvania not a week ago hurt [TS]

  somebody said something nice about us [TS]

  there [TS]

  that's what i heard a lot of people [TS]

  listening to Robert on the last saw you [TS]

  on the YouTube talking about our pro [TS]

  I'm always on the youtube for tuning [TS]

  guitars point out my wife not it was [TS]

  certainly cool you mentioned the shovel [TS]

  was super cool I said did you get why [TS]

  this is great i said because he's tuning [TS]

  guitar this is why banter works [TS]

  yeah you gotta talk about this in the [TS]

  water keep our most were you in drop D [TS]

  we don't you get some Slayer what we did [TS]

  and i'm doing an open d-1 so I had a lot [TS]

  of I had to tune all six strings of the [TS]

  guitar [TS]

  yeah but anyway i'm sitting in this [TS]

  dressing room in this guy local [TS]

  Philadelphia musician is back there to [TS]

  talk to the headliner from sonic this [TS]

  guy from from hooters [TS]

  no he wasn't for looters although he [TS]

  could look like you could have been in [TS]

  the human psyche ahead and he is that he [TS]

  starts talking about Paul McCartney's [TS]

  like there's three things i want i want [TS]

  so there's two things I won't take in [TS]

  this live in this world i won't take [TS]

  people talking shit about Philadelphia [TS]

  because I'm from Philadelphia and I [TS]

  won't take some other thing that I that [TS]

  didn't register with me and I don't care [TS]

  about and he said then the third thing I [TS]

  won't take is anybody talking shit about [TS]

  Paul McCartney was like a boy in the [TS]

  wrong dressing room madam at the trauma [TS]

  side with Paul on the John side [TS]

  no no I love Paul I love Paul but I'm [TS]

  not somebody that's not going to talk [TS]

  shit about Paul here we go [TS]

  because if you love something you must [TS]

  talk shit about it you must shit free [TS]

  least that's pretty good we sit in [TS]

  college that you won't really finish [TS]

  your thesis until you hate the topic [TS]

  yeah the I there Paul McCartney is [TS]

  absolutely unimpeachably as a musician [TS]

  as a composer but he kept up and [TS]

  together a god 1t masthead you're saying [TS]

  Paul up through 1970 economy fucking [TS]

  penis head [TS]

  well have you watched let it be you see [TS]

  how hard he tries don't know he's [TS]

  amazing but he just he seems like the [TS]

  guy that's walking around their shared [TS]

  apartment picking up cigarette butts I'm [TS]

  going guys gauze can i I get it is a [TS]

  real thing about me it's really not that [TS]

  doesn't it up you're saying all right [TS]

  you're the paul mccartney of Roderick on [TS]

  the line i play whatever you want me to [TS]

  play if you don't want me to play don't [TS]

  play at all up flower ball example yoga [TS]

  fucking Yoko walks in and sits in [TS]

  George's empty seat [TS]

  yeah tell me that's not symbolic there [TS]

  was a there was over a lot of you know I [TS]

  don't think I'm gonna be the first to [TS]

  say there were a lot of problems with [TS]

  the beetle they had a lot of problems [TS]

  and when I didn't realize was how early [TS]

  relatively early on John was already [TS]

  like I hate this like you know even [TS]

  before Yoko when he was like sitting [TS]

  around being depressed in the suburbs [TS]

  and smoke weed anyway [TS]

  ok let's but let me get that for the [TS]

  other but due diligence but lemon was a [TS]

  prick [TS]

  I don't you think Paul is an asshole but [TS]

  lemon was the toolset awful things he [TS]

  was a total prick somebody's somebody [TS]

  asked him everything I was the best [TS]

  driver and rock'n'roll what he say he's [TS]

  the best drummer in the beatles no no we [TS]

  didn't even say that he said hes night [TS]

  bestie he's not even the best drummer in [TS]

  the beatles haha that's all she'll start [TS]

  my beetles god damn it makes me mad but [TS]

  you know there's always a greater [TS]

  Beatles fan you got to stay out of the [TS]

  way because let's get serious [TS]

  they live in Japan we don't even [TS]

  understand what they're saying cannot [TS]

  find Matthew Sweet why we have it would [TS]

  not make fun of matthew sweet because [TS]

  he's working with Susanna Hoffs and I am [TS]

  NOT for if somebody is going to be if if [TS]

  somebody standing within 25 feet of [TS]

  susanna hoffs I think that they are you [TS]

  can't say a bad thing about to get [TS]

  pretty voice yet here's the thing i was [TS]

  not a Susanna Hoffs fan back in the day [TS]

  in the walk like an Egyptian era I [TS]

  thought that she was another manic [TS]

  monday that's a cover the prints are [TS]

  right yeah okay but I didn't like her I [TS]

  thought she was too small she was too [TS]

  she got to keep looking sideways can [TS]

  always just what you looking at boy was [TS]

  looking at these points like somebody's [TS]

  gonna like the sniper on this side or [TS]

  that side she's not in the right or left [TS]

  I don't know when somebody sent me I [TS]

  again a youtube clip i hate to advertise [TS]

  youtube but it's a place where you can [TS]

  watch videos that are not copyright [TS]

  protected in any case somebody sent me [TS]

  this [TS]

  yeah Susanna Hoffs video from like early [TS]

  nineties where she's playing an outdoor [TS]

  rock festival and her band is doing a [TS]

  cover of like when the levee breaks or [TS]

  something like that [TS]

  I don't know what it was i forget it was [TS]

  something like classic rock too and [TS]

  she's wearing these that these little [TS]

  black stretch pants or whatever [TS]

  ok now you got me and she is and this [TS]

  you not in the bangles are the banana [TS]

  ramas or whatever the help and she was [TS]

  in [TS]

  she's gotta you gotta band full of dudes [TS]

  and they're like guitar face makin like [TS]

  strapped up to strap with the strap to [TS]

  hi dudes like la dudes everything about [TS]

  it's wrong but they launch into this [TS]

  tune and she just kills it and it's like [TS]

  daytime rock festival thing it's not [TS]

  even it's not even night she's probably [TS]

  fifth on a bill of 15 but she just kills [TS]

  it and and I walked away like Susanna [TS]

  Hoffs ok whatever whatever else I used [TS]

  to think [TS]

  Susanna Hoffs can really bring you can [TS]

  just search her on it was advertised [TS]

  google images but she has done she's [TS]

  doing some kind of fucking Dorian Gray [TS]

  going on she illustrates she is i [TS]

  handsome handsome woman today [TS]

  yeah she's got to be 50 years old see [TS]

  this is why I'm glad in peak in high [TS]

  school but she looks so much better now [TS]

  g bak pico I guess both peaks rpea [TS]

  k.m.m.c because it both in the Twin [TS]

  Peaks the time before peak as in peek [TS]

  around the corner I gotta catch up on [TS]

  that did you peek in high school I [TS]

  always imagined a different night in [TS]

  high school you're gonna be sometimes I [TS]

  pick three or four times a day bad [TS]

  feeling to concentrate on anything [TS]

  yeah caustic resin I have to present is [TS]

  not yet from the ultimate alternative [TS]

  waivers that I was named Brent bread [TS]

  bread [TS]

  yeah I I button hold him at a show a [TS]

  constant presence show one time just so [TS]

  i could be else puji about ultimate [TS]

  alternative waivers really interesting [TS]

  is that we talked about which is a bit [TS]

  still record [TS]

  yeah the first one that I heard that I [TS]

  fell in love with the first one the [TS]

  first album do they have the car the car [TS]

  single was before that is ok look at a [TS]

  record [TS]

  well anyway it's early this is very [TS]

  early and he was even in the band [TS]

  anymore cuz i think he had no challenges [TS]

  but the commodities people yet yet [TS]

  challenges like a lot of you Seattle [TS]

  people [TS]

  yeah it's just so weird I mean like it [TS]

  it's when you talk about built to spill [TS]

  and i know i won't even go to see built [TS]

  to spill because they always play Slim's [TS]

  like Sloan is the only band i will go to [TS]

  see its limbs [TS]

  I'm sorry x.x other than that you know [TS]

  white no matter where you stand there is [TS]

  no sight line anywhere its limbs and [TS]

  makes me crazy [TS]

  this is a this is an interesting thing [TS]

  about about American clubs and I [TS]

  just realized this opening for a man on [TS]

  the east coast i played all these cities [TS]

  that have played many many many many [TS]

  many times about opening for a man i was [TS]

  suddenly in i was playing these clubs [TS]

  that not only had I never been to but I [TS]

  had never heard of and they are big [TS]

  clubs in each one of these cities that I [TS]

  mean Philadelphia obviously i played the [TS]

  world cafe where I plane and in the New [TS]

  York the big cities sure you play the [TS]

  big clubs like out in Alexandria [TS]

  Virginia or annapolis maryland playing [TS]

  these places where people sit down at [TS]

  tables to watch a show he had got a [TS]

  thousand people in there and everybody's [TS]

  talking about this club like oh it's a [TS]

  legend this club's been here forever its [TS]

  legendary i'm like i have never heard of [TS]

  this club and I go and I look on the [TS]

  wall and there's like all the people [TS]

  that have played in this club and I'm [TS]

  going down the list of him like I it's a [TS]

  whole separate music scene the the [TS]

  Lucinda Williams and the remedies and [TS]

  the people callin aerials and shawn [TS]

  colvin and there's a whole network of [TS]

  clubs that that honestly there could be [TS]

  there could be a whole music scene of [TS]

  people that are like I go to clubs every [TS]

  night I've been to clubs all around the [TS]

  world and and they have never cross [TS]

  paths with me except at a truck stop [TS]

  somewhere where they were headed [TS]

  they were headed alexandra is a parallel [TS]

  universe [TS]

  it's a parallel universe of clubs and [TS]

  rock fans that are that are just doing [TS]

  this other thing I bet Susanna Hoffs is [TS]

  playing at those places in fact right [TS]

  now with the with matthew sweet but for [TS]

  instance you can't even stand to go to [TS]

  slims and then happy no matter where you [TS]

  stand [TS]

  no matter where you stand its limbs here [TS]

  in somebody's way yeah i mean bottom of [TS]

  the hill is like that but there are [TS]

  places that bottom where you can camp [TS]

  out you get into a corner and bottom of [TS]

  the yeah and you can still hear what's [TS]

  going on within all you tell me this in [TS]

  San Francisco there's a rule of two [TS]

  right isn't there like a fucking you [TS]

  might have told me this or I heard it [TS]

  somewhere but you start out like where [TS]

  you play cafe du nord right like I'm [TS]

  gonna get this wrong and people will [TS]

  tell me but like to cafe du nord is a [TS]

  bottom of the hill [TS]

  to bottom of the hills is a great [TS]

  American two great Americans is a film [TS]

  or is it is that kind of right in there [TS]

  i got like a sec building but I feel [TS]

  like that is true [TS]

  yeah although the number if you want [TS]

  more fields being an annoying to guess [TS]

  I'm gonna fucking follow more people go [TS]

  up go up exponentially to I mean it's [TS]

  more expensive to put on the show the [TS]

  film more than it is at you know to put [TS]

  on three at the bottom of the hill or do [TS]

  you have any idea how hard it is to find [TS]

  45 angry hippies to act like they like [TS]

  music staff there now you go to the [TS]

  great American you like you get your [TS]

  dude they're the backstage dude they [TS]

  treat you write the great American right [TS]

  yeah absolutely [TS]

  well Seattle has a similar thing except [TS]

  it's kind of a rule of threes like it's [TS]

  three crocodiles used to be a showbox [TS]

  three show boxes are paramount but there [TS]

  are a lot of bands like death cabin and [TS]

  and built to spill for instance and [TS]

  modest mouse these bands could have [TS]

  played a paramount but they would rather [TS]

  play three show boxes [TS]

  uh-huh because in the end you walk with [TS]

  more money from three show boxes [TS]

  well I think that's I think that's super [TS]

  smart you know that's one reason now for [TS]

  example he didn't you shine open for [TS]

  they might be giants one time we open [TS]

  for the many times and nobody will ever [TS]

  encounter now you know that night at [TS]

  great american it was a sit-down thing [TS]

  it's a weird show because you know [TS]

  they're trying to make electro & chicken [TS]

  fingers and shit so you should you bet [TS]

  you pay more but if you want to see up [TS]

  in the mezzanine where you can see or [TS]

  you want to show on the scene on the [TS]

  floor if you want to see you gotta pee [TS]

  gotta fucking food you've gotta like [TS]

  it's real stupid [TS]

  let me tell you a little thing about the [TS]

  music business tell me there's nothing [TS]

  but it's a people trying to make money [TS]

  everybody mean like almost everybody [TS]

  yeah and they'll sell your chicken [TS]

  fingers if that's what it takes listen [TS]

  Merlin right now i would sell your [TS]

  chicken fingers of if if I thought I [TS]

  could get them to your hot and fresh is [TS]

  what separates your pro I don't want to [TS]

  sell you cold chicken fingers or have [TS]

  you open a box and it's like these [TS]

  chicken the they're not crispy anymore [TS]

  if i can get them to you right now I [TS]

  would this is what makes you artisanal [TS]

  and it's what makes our show artisanal [TS]

  you know I sometimes bemoan the fact [TS]

  that we're not you know ridiculously [TS]

  popular as a program but you know what I [TS]

  I don't want to have I don't want to [TS]

  have the dog March problem i don't want [TS]

  to be entertaining dumbasses I like the [TS]

  fact that we're getting people who can [TS]

  tolerate a huge amount of pain [TS]

  pawn in a little bit of a giant talk to [TS]

  girls get to someplace important [TS]

  something happened to me a couple weeks [TS]

  ago I went on to your Twitter account [TS]

  and read your @ replies sorry I have [TS]

  never done this before I've never gone [TS]

  to a friend's Twitter account and read [TS]

  what people are saying to them and I was [TS]

  appalled at the way people talk to you [TS]

  how's that I was appalled well there are [TS]

  all these ding-dongs out there [TS]

  correcting you on stuff where you're not [TS]

  wrong [TS]

  they're like oh no Merlin Mann here the [TS]

  barber Don but Don everybody's got it I [TS]

  mean no you get you get tons and tons of [TS]

  people congratulating you and telling [TS]

  you they're your hero but there are also [TS]

  all these people who presume that it's [TS]

  their place to correct you on some of [TS]

  this or that it is that's their place [TS]

  I'm not criticizing now that's what it's [TS]

  for I mean they got they got a keyboard [TS]

  just like me you know yeah I you know [TS]

  the thing is I've said this before but [TS]

  like I've been corrected for for [TS]

  spelling wookie incorrectly and i've [TS]

  been criticized is am Telling it [TS]

  correctly [TS]

  I've had I've had to have arguments with [TS]

  people about whether i spelled [TS]

  incorrectly or correctly it's nots [TS]

  really super hard to find out how the [TS]

  correct spelling something is and yet no [TS]

  matter what you do something and organs [TS]

  wrong [TS]

  yeah it's a kind of argument is it is [TS]

  not now I understand now you're always [TS]

  arguing with people on your Twitter [TS]

  because you say provocative things and [TS]

  then you respond [TS]

  yeah you're saying mine is more caustic [TS]

  I get more caustic responses yeah i know [TS]

  people people respond to to my Twitter [TS]

  account with the with only the most like [TS]

  fearful deference I gotta start writing [TS]

  those like mr. Grady sorry I'm sorry I'm [TS]

  sorry to interrupt you sir but I just [TS]

  wanted to say thank you for everything [TS]

  you do for us who signed loyal fan [TS]

  it must be a lot of people who are [TS]

  finally at a point where they're willing [TS]

  to share how much you've helped them [TS]

  like for a long time is probably hard to [TS]

  even you know get the wherewithal to [TS]

  obviously approach a man of your stature [TS]

  but them to be able to be so open to be [TS]

  so exposed to the time like you right [TS]

  people people want they want the I get [TS]

  the feeling a lot of people before they [TS]

  reply to me on Twitter they put on that [TS]

  they change their clothes they put on [TS]

  some better clothes [TS]

  like put on me i'm not saying Sunday [TS]

  best but they dress to impress some some [TS]

  not clean but less dirty less dirty yeah [TS]

  maybe they may be put on a hat and then [TS]

  it's dirty shirt and they when they [TS]

  reply to me on Twitter and and sometimes [TS]

  I reply sometimes I don't already do [TS]

  after that today I go pick up his [TS]

  prescription do they take off the [TS]

  clothes they get passed by probably sit [TS]

  in a chair and stare at the floor and [TS]

  think about the wording of the tweet [TS]

  they said to me and wonder if they maybe [TS]

  could have done it better or there and [TS]

  then they think they get kind of [TS]

  paranoid like fuck it [TS]

  he could have he could totally [TS]

  misinterpret what I said yes and they [TS]

  think should i send him a second tweet [TS]

  clarifying tweet also them don't some of [TS]

  this is what makes the the end of the [TS]

  evening dangerous especially anyone [TS]

  anywhere you are where there's drinks [TS]

  whether it's the end of the the event at [TS]

  something like macworld in my case or [TS]

  whether it's the end of the evening for [TS]

  you and I know usually hide your [TS]

  dressing room behind your feelings of [TS]

  guards but it's when people video is the [TS]

  end of the evening when the people who [TS]

  would have liked melt around and just [TS]

  come up and said hi [TS]

  earlier they get to get 11 or 16 drink [TS]

  cinnamon and then there's a lot of [TS]

  there's a lot of candor [TS]

  yeah do you ever get a lot of candor I [TS]

  do get a lot of Canada particularly on [TS]

  this last tour because I started selling [TS]

  hugs [TS]

  did you really still hugs yeah i forgot [TS]

  to bring any merchandise that was moon [TS]

  and I was sitting I was sitting [TS]

  backstage and I was like I didn't bring [TS]

  any merchandise on this tour and and a [TS]

  man says we gotta merchandise because [TS]

  because how else are people going to [TS]

  show that they love you with your [TS]

  chicken fingers by something I why [TS]

  should have what I should have done is [TS]

  ordered chicken fingers on my backstage [TS]

  Rider and then sold them from the stage [TS]

  I got a chicken finger here who want the [TS]

  chicken finger but i said i'll sell you [TS]

  hugs for five bucks I high fives for [TS]

  high fives for to fist bumps 41 and I [TS]

  went up there and let me tell you hug [TS]

  somebody after a show and you're very [TS]

  you're very moist after-show john i am [TS]

  but I'm a great hugger dry or wet wet or [TS]

  dry i can give you both kinds and and [TS]

  somebody and then they're really gonna [TS]

  tell you a story you know it's not like [TS]

  it's not like the Walkabout hey great [TS]

  job and they stop and they got they got [TS]

  a story to tell [TS]

  yeah and I love people stories you know [TS]

  me I i love a story too [TS]

  I you know you said something a long [TS]

  time ago that I wasn't so sure about [TS]

  like all things with you it takes a [TS]

  minute to sink in like I'm not sure I'm [TS]

  is extraverted as I thought I mean I'm [TS]

  definitely a loudmouth but I think I'm I [TS]

  don't say introverted but I definitely [TS]

  had a certain point you feel like coming [TS]

  like a cold coming on I could feel that [TS]

  I'm gonna need to not be on seeing and [TS]

  what did I tell you that you that you [TS]

  took a while to think about well that [TS]

  clients you're less extroverted than you [TS]

  thought [TS]

  yes you know that's right you're right [TS]

  you're right you're right but you know [TS]

  it's hard getting is a phrase like you [TS]

  gotta recharge your battery i think [TS]

  that's important [TS]

  don't know you get do you get time to [TS]

  recharge your battery out there within [TS]

  about a man i'm pretty sure I heard a [TS]

  song of hers in the seminary movie [TS]

  yes she's friends with the Tim what [TS]

  yeah they in fact they co-wrote a song [TS]

  together [TS]

  I know I get mobbed up with these famous [TS]

  feels small world small world maybe I [TS]

  don't you know what I like my life my [TS]

  life is modest it is manageable you know [TS]

  and you know i don't know if i need a [TS]

  lot of celebrities in my life that must [TS]

  be hard for you John you know a lot of [TS]

  very famous people including yourself [TS]

  yes it's hard to manage know because i [TS]

  know because i have cultivated this is [TS]

  this air of of impenetrability right so [TS]

  so reading at the early nineties huh [TS]

  yeah well then I had a cultivated an air [TS]

  of of intoxicated the ability now and [TS]

  then remember how potentially work now [TS]

  there's down there was an error in [TS]

  between there was an error i was better [TS]

  trouble and now you know and it's it's [TS]

  an air of impenetrability it isn't that [TS]

  I'm actually impenetrable but so I mean [TS]

  I'm in a room full of famous people [TS]

  whatever people are going nuts all [TS]

  around me and and I just uh I let it [TS]

  bounce off me but it seems like people [TS]

  must constantly calling you please [TS]

  coming you know what perform Dubai with [TS]

  catherine zeta-jones yeah yeah [TS]

  please visit you know you know go to Las [TS]

  Vegas and visit somebody's tiger or [TS]

  something you must get a lot of things [TS]

  you have to manage [TS]

  yeah yeah yeahs fact that you're gonna [TS]

  love this [TS]

  the mayor's office called me and said we [TS]

  want you to be on a panel talking about [TS]

  because they're really trying to promote [TS]

  Seattle ism as a music town and after [TS]

  years and years and years of trying to [TS]

  squash every music or cultural related [TS]

  activity here there's a new bear and [TS]

  that he likes music and so I'm on this [TS]

  panel like this panel with sir mix-a-lot [TS]

  it's not even a panel it's me and sir [TS]

  mix-a-lot you can mix mix and we're [TS]

  talking about you're talking about [TS]

  social networking and I'm like what are [TS]

  you what are you talking about i don't [TS]

  want to be on this and they're like no [TS]

  no Paste Magazine says you're the number [TS]

  one musician to follow you live here in [TS]

  scandal so you can beat on our panel and [TS]

  talk about social networking and I'm [TS]

  like to to whom [TS]

  well you know who to whom a room full of [TS]

  ding-dongs absolutely i'm saying how [TS]

  tedious coming to set up on this panel [TS]

  with mix and mix of course is gonna go i [TS]

  don't know i don't i don't do that i [TS]

  just blew the main mix doesn't tweet or [TS]

  if he does I don't know about it and [TS]

  then they're gonna look at me and I'm [TS]

  gonna say yeah here's the secret be [TS]

  funny I guess and like be nice and keep [TS]

  moving it out of the way thank you [TS]

  goodnight and then somebody comes up and [TS]

  gives you there a little half-size new [TS]

  cards as follow me [TS]

  I'm gonna get 700 business cards at this [TS]

  thing every time somebody hands me a [TS]

  card i say the same thing I I straight [TS]

  to say like this is nothing against [TS]

  anybody but like I'm really not taking [TS]

  any paper tonight honey laughs and [TS]

  handed to me and I say can be super [TS]

  honest with you [TS]

  what should I do with this right like [TS]

  are we supposed to set an appointment [TS]

  for something I'm supposed to write your [TS]

  name down in a book it's nothing against [TS]

  you it's just like what do you do with [TS]

  all those cars that look for [TS]

  while you're sitting there looking for [TS]

  state because i'm being honest and [TS]

  honesty harms people say to somebody [TS]

  they say hey Isabel let's have a zipper [TS]

  seven meeting and you go like you know I [TS]

  barely have time to love my daughter but [TS]

  I I I mean this is nothing against you [TS]

  but like how do you accept not you but [TS]

  this person speaking I can't you accept [TS]

  all those things [TS]

  I could use that is that like his breath [TS]

  is that paying out a lot of benefits and [TS]

  here's the other problem so there are [TS]

  people that there are people that follow [TS]

  up this is the thing about people they [TS]

  fall off about what will they send you [TS]

  think they're like hey following up on [TS]

  that on that handshake that we had at [TS]

  that meeting just following up to say to [TS]

  a show in a heart index cards you hand [TS]

  him an index card Yusei start here when [TS]

  I pretend to fall [TS]

  nice meeting you have a good night [TS]

  that's what do i do that ten times a [TS]

  week I say when I pretend to fall go buy [TS]

  this record is really good [TS]

  is that here's the other thing is you a [TS]

  little bit just to what drop me an email [TS]

  and i'll tell you about that thing about [TS]

  what I can and like the things on the [TS]

  cock right that's like what like we just [TS]

  talk for five minutes and now like we [TS]

  got to do another thing but how does [TS]

  that how does that scale but here's the [TS]

  problem with these social media people [TS]

  this is the problem the social media [TS]

  thing is well you know that a WC ok so [TS]

  why does that thing exists because it's [TS]

  now a racket yeah there's action used to [TS]

  talk we talk about things like you know [TS]

  SEO social sector or search engine [TS]

  optimization or search engine you know [TS]

  marketing and that's still a thing but [TS]

  now the thing is that people don't even [TS]

  have fucking websites anymore I just [TS]

  come finish our site is come to facebook [TS]

  i just get on facebook because i turn my [TS]

  account off so you don't exist for me [TS]

  anymore [TS]

  look I got in a huge argument with [TS]

  Hodgman the other day because I was like [TS]

  hey stop tweeting about your tumblr like [TS]

  temple about your tumblr tweet about [TS]

  your tweet don't stick to stick to [TS]

  scramble and the best show on wfmu you [TS]

  up trash bag he said he said first thing [TS]

  don't tell me I'm doing it wrong and [TS]

  second thing I i want to i want people [TS]

  to go over to my tumblr because I like [TS]

  it better and I'm like well screw you i [TS]

  mean here's the thing is 7000 tumblr [TS]

  followers and 700,000 Twitter followers [TS]

  and he likes doing is tumblr better but [TS]

  he's afraid to leave is 700,000 [TS]

  followers called it's a difficult thing [TS]

  to do it's very natural to want to [TS]

  leverage one thing to another thing [TS]

  everybody does it it's but you have to [TS]

  be somewhat circumspect and everybody [TS]

  makes their own decisions about that so [TS]

  I was but I was bitching about this on [TS]

  Twitter as you do on cheese and then [TS]

  somebody on my facebook page says why am [TS]

  I reading about the Sun facebook haha [TS]

  because but it was ported over to my [TS]

  facebook it i got called yeah everybody [TS]

  does it I mean like here's the thing [TS]

  though many tumblr is what I'm gonna do [TS]

  I'm gonna get a tumblr here's what I'm [TS]

  going to dominate a tumblr mad fucking [TS]

  tweet about it on my facebook if you get [TS]

  a tumble you should also get a twitter [TS]

  that auto announces to your Twitter and [TS]

  then you can retweet that [TS]

  oh you can get something get something [TS]

  that oughta to tell your Twitter's i'm [TS]

  riding on all out i can take this to my [TS]

  to my seminar mind here's my problem [TS]

  every time you meet somebody who calls [TS]

  himself his or him or herself a social [TS]

  media expert or a social media [TS]

  consultant is why I carry a fire [TS]

  extinguisher everywhere I go because [TS]

  when somebody says that to manage him [TS]

  right in the face with the fire [TS]

  not now what about the stream you got [TS]

  the literal fire actually you know it's [TS]

  an empty fire extinguisher at a that I [TS]

  filled with sand and I just about up you [TS]

  know when it will be X or devise a fire [TS]

  if there's an electrical fire you got [TS]

  saying to throw on it nothing wrong with [TS]

  that if you're a social media expert i [TS]

  want to see you have 1 million followers [TS]

  most of it otherwise [TS]

  Connect connect connect can I put a [TS]

  little bit of sauce on that spaghetti [TS]

  somebody comes to you and says hi I'm a [TS]

  social media expert [TS]

  I help people build their social media [TS]

  presence whether that's SEO person [TS]

  whether that is a social media person [TS]

  with that any kind of service that [TS]

  somebody does where they say I will make [TS]

  you this thing hey look at me on this [TS]

  what is your second tell me what the [TS]

  second or third most successful site [TS]

  you've ever done is besides around put [TS]

  more pointedly show me one thing that [TS]

  you've ever done [TS]

  it's not about social media or SEO or [TS]

  whatever show me one thing that's more [TS]

  famous than your own site about SEO show [TS]

  me one thing that is more famous than [TS]

  your own fucking Twitter account about [TS]

  social media marketing because I know [TS]

  what I think you're somebody who's [TS]

  really good at marketing yourself and [TS]

  you got somebody else paying the freight [TS]

  yeah and you know what you're never [TS]

  going to turn Bob's winner barn into a [TS]

  facebook sensation they're never going [TS]

  to be as popular because all you do all [TS]

  day is fucking have social media [TS]

  bullshit about social media bullshit [TS]

  it's all the way down John this is this [TS]

  is what's wrong with Seattle this is one [TS]

  musician will move back to Seattle yeah [TS]

  I say this very thing anytime somebody [TS]

  offers me relationship advice [TS]

  I'm like have you been married for 40 [TS]

  years and raised five kids [TS]

  to adulthood then shut up and go back to [TS]

  mind your own business okay do anything [TS]

  but if you're really good at breaking up [TS]

  with people [TS]

  oh that kind of relationship advice [TS]

  that's the thing i could write a book [TS]

  about who the cloud selling short i [TS]

  could break up with somebody and they [TS]

  don't even realize it until your [TS]

  thousand miles away [TS]

  wait a minute did I just get broken up [TS]

  with wait a minute too late [TS]

  the ninja ninjas gone you know why can't [TS]

  that happen to me once already go write [TS]

  me a check that that's like that's a [TS]

  goddamn shame you know because you know [TS]

  what sporting we should talk about the [TS]

  internet that makes me mad though you [TS]

  know it's one thing to go like I'm going [TS]

  to go and you know what you see is what [TS]

  the fucking comics the quote-unquote [TS]

  funny people on the Twitter whatever [TS]

  type of the funny pages [TS]

  you're not gonna like a newspaper yeah i [TS]

  was i I have a whole have a whole [TS]

  grievance about the newspaper phonies [TS]

  but you go ahead and talk about comics [TS]

  know the other comics [TS]

  no I just think it's I think it's a [TS]

  little bit you know what ironic [TS]

  paradoxical that some of the most first [TS]

  of all some of those joyless people in [TS]

  the universe make a living theoretically [TS]

  making people laugh well there's some [TS]

  bad but then you go on Twitter and [TS]

  they're not even funny it's just an [TS]

  external catch me at the Laugh Shack in [TS]

  pasadena yeah like that's not for me [TS]

  that's not that's not even like you know [TS]

  tim and eric and meta anti funny like [TS]

  going directly i like tumeric and I [TS]

  don't like spiders a great guy but he [TS]

  made him I i have not met her but i but [TS]

  I hear I hear nice things about it when [TS]

  you gonna choose me at leoch rich guy [TS]

  well you know leaves a busy guy make [TS]

  your hand making up making famous I had [TS]

  responded to brad bird today which I [TS]

  very seldom do with famous people [TS]

  yeah and what does he replied no no I [TS]

  don't need that yeah just very popular [TS]

  twitter i don't think people respond did [TS]

  you see the Adam Savage thing [TS]

  mm maybe somebody's house up Adam Savage [TS]

  covered the commander thinks aloud on on [TS]

  piano right piano you that's all I can I [TS]

  told you the time one of the times i was [TS]

  in his man cave he was playing the [TS]

  ultimate record [TS]

  yeah well you got like see you I think [TS]

  he liked going to be covered on stage [TS]

  and now it's a now it's a a YouTube [TS]

  that's another YouTube plug God let me [TS]

  ask you this about YouTube what is the [TS]

  deal with all the ukulele covers when [TS]

  did that become a thing every time I [TS]

  look for a song now there's like there's [TS]

  like a bunch of people with like other [TS]

  kids [TS]

  Peter taking a picture themselves [TS]

  playing ukulele song here's the thing [TS]

  about the ukulele ok it is actually [TS]

  pretty easy to play not fair with a like [TS]

  a French horn or be soon not well it is [TS]

  easy to play not well but you can pick [TS]

  up a ukulele and very quickly you can be [TS]

  playing music which is something that [TS]

  you can't say about the bassoon you [TS]

  can't really even do that with the [TS]

  guitar and certainly not the piano but [TS]

  you can't be able to deal with an elbow [TS]

  you cannot play good music on an oboe [TS]

  first i've never done [TS]

  yeah it hasn't been but ukulele so [TS]

  ukulele is like the it's the it's the [TS]

  gateway drug to making twee pop music [TS]

  and there's really nothing that doesn't [TS]

  sound good on you play and here's the [TS]

  thing if you are great [TS]

  ukulele assist it still sounds like [TS]

  you're playing a child's toy like even [TS]

  the best UK lyst it's still like Lincoln [TS]

  deeply think people could be playing but [TS]

  it is no don't get me wrong no I'm not [TS]

  gonna I'm not gonna go i'm not gonna go [TS]

  anti ukulele yeah that was a wonderful [TS]

  instrument sounds really it sounds [TS]

  really cool i love that it's so what not [TS]

  democratic [TS]

  that's it's easy enough to pick up i [TS]

  think that's great we've talked before [TS]

  about how basically you could be a [TS]

  retarded person and get okay guitar it's [TS]

  not a harness and friends play French [TS]

  horn she had to practice a lot [TS]

  no yes french oral because they have to [TS]

  build up their lips when you get your [TS]

  fist in there you have to have amazing [TS]

  lips mmm nice embouchure you ever make [TS]

  out with a French horn player [TS]

  yeah they could they could squeeze the [TS]

  top of the Mesa job she had she had [TS]

  probably four octave range with her [TS]

  mouth she had an extraordinary on our [TS]

  control [TS]

  no I'm serious I don't know what was [TS]

  going on i was making out with four [TS]

  people [TS]

  yeah it's great she bought me breakfast [TS]

  to was nice my god you let her go but [TS]

  you gotta protect them all go that's [TS]

  part of my relationship advice a hard [TS]

  time so anyway ukulele now like so like [TS]

  six years ago there were no ukuleles now [TS]

  they're all ukuleles I don't know what I [TS]

  don't know what to tell you it's like [TS]

  it's um but but that's it I guess that's [TS]

  the thing it seems like there's a lot of [TS]

  ukulele covers you don't seem like just [TS]

  don't want to belabor the point but you [TS]

  don't see a lot of French horn covers on [TS]

  youtube [TS]

  no you don't and I predict that I [TS]

  predict two years from now it's going to [TS]

  be this is either everybody has in their [TS]

  what about that [TS]

  the screaming lady with the harp have [TS]

  hearts caught onto the screen little [TS]

  carps are a expensive be huge and see [TS]

  really hard to play know people prefer [TS]

  to look at Joanna Newsome from from from [TS]

  a respectful distance I think I don't [TS]

  nobody perfect way to listen to [TS]

  although i did Judge a local like teen [TS]

  music competition assist the school of [TS]

  rock thing I don't know it's a different [TS]

  things but EMP put this thing on the [TS]

  teen student music competition called [TS]

  sound off and I judged it one year and [TS]

  there was a girl playing the solo harp [TS]

  and sit and yodelin I was like well i [TS]

  guess i didn't think that this was a [TS]

  thing but now it's going to be a thing [TS]

  you know what I'll say this i don't [TS]

  think it's an ad for YouTube you go and [TS]

  you watch anything with any of the Marx [TS]

  Brothers play an instrument and [TS]

  delightful those guys are massively [TS]

  talented just watching much chick about [TS]

  play the piano with dual gun thing I'm [TS]

  telling you my heart- with that when he [TS]

  knew what he was doing on that harp [TS]

  that's right yeah i mean that you have [TS]

  probably Harpo for nothing what is it [TS]

  duck soup the one thing everyone says i [TS]

  love you [TS]

  yeah you know I between the two of us [TS]

  now you know I say it you can say Daria [TS]

  I [TS]

  I [TS]

  maybe the John and you may be the ball [TS]

  of Robert on the line but you are [TS]

  definitely going to be the Marx Brothers [TS]

  authority that's what I loved [TS]

  I know you do and you are you are love [TS]

  techno music they love you deeply [TS]

  respected out there in the world [TS]

  please don't everywhere I go to Santa [TS]

  Hoffs bob marley apparently it's pretty [TS]

  good constant presence I wasn't [TS]

  concentrating fan they did I think they [TS]

  did a flip a single flip 12 inches [TS]

  something with built to spill it wasn't [TS]

  super into it it was a it was a split it [TS]

  was a split with built to spill plastic [TS]

  resin is it's more caustic it's much [TS]

  more cost again and somewhat more [TS]

  resonance anymore resident here's a [TS]

  funny think I this is so fucking bored [TS]

  you know what their kids asset [TS]

  what does that have to do with a bomb [TS]

  that's a marijuana ok kids love their [TS]

  marijuana [TS]

  there's a lot of smoke plasma now the [TS]

  guy who did the Hurricanes cassette is [TS]

  the same guy who did nothing wrong with [TS]

  love.flac right black graduate he [TS]

  actually produced it was he like behind [TS]

  the faders feel like it's still feel [TS]

  like when I first moved to Seattle I [TS]

  worked at a club called the offer and [TS]

  Phil act was the best the grungees hear [TS]

  that was the ground museum and fill that [TS]

  was the assistant soundman so I was 21 [TS]

  feel like was 19 or something he was [TS]

  like he was there were two sound guys [TS]

  and phil was the kind of younger [TS]

  apprentice he shouldn't have even been [TS]

  in the bar he was too young to be in the [TS]

  bar and we knew each other during that [TS]

  era and then but I never you know I knew [TS]

  it was Phil I didn't I didn't know his [TS]

  last name kinda we work together every [TS]

  day at this bar but I never never knew [TS]

  his last name and then that first built [TS]

  to spill record came out which he didn't [TS]

  produce but then he did produce the [TS]

  second one and this name phil x starts [TS]

  ringing out everybody's talking about [TS]

  feel like I'm like wow fill at kennison [TS]

  gotta I gotta figure out who this guy is [TS]

  the jokey outro yeah yeah only now don't [TS]

  want the next thing that interconnect [TS]

  built to spill record great i'll pick [TS]

  you in the head and a kick in the head [TS]

  and yeah um anyway during this whole [TS]

  time during the whole nineties I'm [TS]

  bumping into this guy Phil that I used [TS]

  to know from the rock club i'm seeing [TS]

  him on the sidewalk hey fellas going [TS]

  we'd sit and talk for a minute will be [TS]

  alright see you later and simultaneously [TS]

  I'm thinking god this guy feel like is [TS]

  making these amazing records and [TS]

  you know how do you even get to know a [TS]

  guy like that how do you even meet a guy [TS]

  like Phil back he's got to be living in [TS]

  a haha you're looking at you didn't put [TS]

  it together [TS]

  no I didn't know there was the same guy [TS]

  I'm like he's gonna be living in a [TS]

  castle somewhere it's got to be driving [TS]

  everywhere in a white stretch limo like [TS]

  Felix making these incredible built to [TS]

  spill record he's handsome and it wasn't [TS]

  until he's very tall man it wasn't until [TS]

  the very late nineties I've got the [TS]

  Western State hurricanes together and [TS]

  we're talking about making a record and [TS]

  and one of the people in my band is like [TS]

  well you know what I know for lack and I [TS]

  might really you know feel like that's [TS]

  amazing do you think he would work on [TS]

  this with us [TS]

  oh yeah i think i can get him to do this [TS]

  you know i think i'm going to do a demo [TS]

  for us like oh that would be incredible [TS]

  on me huge fan of his album and I swear [TS]

  to you I'm still running into the guy on [TS]

  the sidewalk on a semi weekly basis like [TS]

  a there's a little guy how's it going [TS]

  man you know what's up Lu and for [TS]

  whatever reason you know I just assumed [TS]

  he was working sound in a club somewhere [TS]

  and you know who knows i wasn't paying [TS]

  attention so I swear to you we show up [TS]

  for a meeting with Philip degrees to do [TS]

  our demo and we show up for a meeting [TS]

  and walk into the studio so he's gonna [TS]

  listen to our you know our practice [TS]

  space tape and I'm like what your felek [TS]

  like and he's like yeah you didn't know [TS]

  that and I'm like no I thought you would [TS]

  fill from the off-ramp he's like yeah [TS]

  great [TS]

  good work like oh my god i was [TS]

  astonished because you're John Roderick [TS]

  no no he I mean he you know he had not [TS]

  first of all he was not thinking he [TS]

  probably had to fill out some forms with [TS]

  your name on it he was thinking oh my [TS]

  god i can't wait to work with John [TS]

  Roderick certainly not at the time he [TS]

  was just thinking on that guy but but [TS]

  he's done some heavy hitters it looks [TS]

  like a lot of these gifts that if you [TS]

  elect so if you look at all the records [TS]

  that feel like has made at the band of [TS]

  horses get the fleet foxes whatever that [TS]

  is you gotta hit the shins about that [TS]

  yeah he has made he basically felt like [TS]

  is basically what [TS]

  in quarter of what is good about indie [TS]

  rock in the world you know he says [TS]

  before here another with that he's been [TS]

  behind a lot of the classic records huh [TS]

  yeah must be weird to live there and how [TS]

  you live there [TS]

  that's what you're looking at a break [TS]

  sometimes don't you think you need to go [TS]

  have a by year and and try another place [TS]

  for a while or are your roots so deep in [TS]

  there [TS]

  no I mean I travel for travel for a [TS]

  living so I'm everybody everybody let's [TS]

  get you certainly have at least two feet [TS]

  and in Seattle but you're saying you get [TS]

  away long enough to come back feels [TS]

  fresh again I'm in New York five times a [TS]

  year for a week [TS]

  I'm in LA you know a few times a year [TS]

  for a week [TS]

  I get a week here a week there we care [TS]

  what they're certainly when i'm on tour [TS]

  I'm gone for four three months here [TS]

  although i haven't been doing that for [TS]

  the last few years but now I think about [TS]

  living other places but you know when i [TS]

  get back from a tour and I've been to [TS]

  all kinds of places all all over cities [TS]

  in Europe where at one time they're [TS]

  thinking about man i should move here [TS]

  san francisco all the great cities all [TS]

  the great cities i get back to Seattle [TS]

  I'm like well the air is really smells [TS]

  nice here and the living is easy [TS]

  uh-huh and I could be I could be like [TS]

  huffing rat entrails in new york city or [TS]

  I could be down in la living in a place [TS]

  where no one ever comes and I never see [TS]

  anybody or I could be in san francisco [TS]

  haven't hobos vomit on me or living in [TS]

  Berlin with all the other 20 year olds [TS]

  but Seattle is is a it's it's a pretty [TS]

  nice place you know makes you love your [TS]

  town is applebees not applebees or dad [TS]

  like applebees I got busted my love that [TS]

  guy [TS]

  you know it's funny when I I'm so hard [TS]

  on San Francisco because somebody needs [TS]

  to be [TS]

  yeah it's really stupid town but i'll go [TS]

  somewhere and I'll miss my family i'll [TS]

  be sitting there [TS]

  this is why i have a thing on my phone [TS]

  help me find steak it's very hard to [TS]

  find like normal food places because [TS]

  everywhere you go it's just it's just [TS]

  226 lane highways and applebees now [TS]

  maybe an outback if you're lucky and you [TS]

  know 44 @ you know I'm just saying you [TS]

  know what scooters a chilis i'll come on [TS]

  really give you this big platter ready [TS]

  what's the ball was talking about the [TS]

  bird with Jack Daniels bourbon rib plate [TS]

  yeah Jack Daniels broken rib plate my [TS]

  god it's like a it's like a it's like [TS]

  it's it's it's I don't know if it's [TS]

  tragic or or inspiring that the world [TS]

  greatest creativity happening in America [TS]

  today is the shit they come up with [TS]

  places like chili's where there's [TS]

  daggering have 25 ingredients and make [TS]

  7,000 exactly exactly [TS]

  it's it's like one of those I quit the [TS]

  Apollo like we got all of the box full [TS]

  of stuff here like keep these guys same [TS]

  thing they've got up in the in the in [TS]

  the capsule you know driving around [TS]

  Mississippi one time and it was sunday [TS]

  night and everything was closed like [TS]

  they turned off the stoplights because [TS]

  you weren't supposed to be out you know [TS]

  what I mean like nothing was on we're [TS]

  driving around this town or starving to [TS]

  death and it's like oh my god i didn't [TS]

  realize that they still closed they [TS]

  rolled up the sidewalks at seven p.m. on [TS]

  sunday night in Mississippi drive around [TS]

  out what are we going to do with their [TS]

  not the grocery stores even open and [TS]

  then like a beacon in the distance this [TS]

  you know this red glow to sort of [TS]

  throbbing we had There and it's a [TS]

  Chili's and I had never been to chili's [TS]

  because I thought it was some kind of [TS]

  thought it was mass-market mexican food [TS]

  and I like Mexican food I don't want to [TS]

  have the experience destroyed for me [TS]

  we go into this children's and I'm just [TS]

  I'm the guy who's standing there like [TS]

  I'm starving to death but i don't wanna [TS]

  be in here like whenever the rest of you [TS]

  guys my banner like this is fine let's [TS]

  just be here like ah I hate this but ok [TS]

  I'm too hungry to argue we sit down in [TS]

  the cute little waitress comes over and [TS]

  she gives me 7,000 kinds of mexi fries [TS]

  and ribs and corn and spend and garlic [TS]

  shrimp and chicken fingers and like a [TS]

  little side ramekin of vitamin D and [TS]

  I've gotta you know like a a drink in a [TS]

  pineapple with a carrot sticking out of [TS]

  it and you know and they put they put [TS]

  little pointy shoes on my feet that curl [TS]

  over there little bells on the end and [TS]

  somebody gives me a handjob and I'm like [TS]

  this is the greatest restaurant in the [TS]

  world and the whole thing the whole meal [TS]

  was like twenty dollars for for and [TS]

  their-their so grateful were there to [TS]

  that [TS]

  the other thing they're like thank you [TS]

  so much for coming to chilis come on [TS]

  back [TS]

  I'm like I will go back to keep these [TS]

  shoes i love these shoes never Chile's [TS]

  is identical that right [TS]

  do they all still talk like that thank [TS]

  you so much for coming [TS]

  chillers I i I'm trying to remember [TS]

  there's a lot of those restaurants like [TS]

  that but I mean pretty much that I think [TS]

  the pattern through all of them is they [TS]

  raise whatever was there before you know [TS]

  some of you go to your dentist and it [TS]

  used to be a Shakey's yeah or like you [TS]

  know there's a lot of like your ology [TS]

  clinics used to be a pizza hut all the [TS]

  time restaurants in seattle our [TS]

  international house of pancakes [TS]

  is that right you did they change the [TS]

  sign just a little bit that they take [TS]

  the sign down and it's just a it's just [TS]

  a a blue roof a frame as you as you have [TS]

  in traditional Thai communities a blue [TS]

  roof shellay is the international house [TS]

  of rock of panfu you know what i'm [TS]

  talking about no no I'm talking about [TS]

  like there is there's a there's a chain [TS]

  in terrible change in Florida called the [TS]

  clock restaurant and of course the thing [TS]

  was a big clock on the sign and when [TS]

  these these carpetbaggers came in after [TS]

  that place closed they just they spent [TS]

  like me and our changing the sign to say [TS]

  that the old look restaurant that sort [TS]

  of do look I i could see that being like [TS]

  instead of Shaky's it might be like [TS]

  babies Yankee clinic piggies dentist's [TS]

  office is your name dr. bakey now we [TS]

  just had the sign was that there's a [TS]

  there's a buffet and tallahassee to go [TS]

  to because that's all the restaurants [TS]

  are all my face and there's one there's [TS]

  a really really inscrutable korean [TS]

  buffet you went in there and it was [TS]

  super bizarre you know kind of phase [TS]

  with a really cheap and they didn't say [TS]

  it was a trick inscrutable korean buffet [TS]

  I'm not done you know what ya hun [TS]

  following that one finds it that's so [TS]

  ping pong they make great radios and [TS]

  usually they're suitable when talking [TS]

  about Asian people have a lot of quest [TS]

  to help understand with ping-pong is but [TS]

  I can explain that you go in there and [TS]

  you know the kind of cheap but not [TS]

  cheaper face let's say they're just [TS]

  penurious you go in and they don't feel [TS]

  the tray with ribs there's like six [TS]

  kids on some iceberg lettuce and put on [TS]

  more when people like that it's just a [TS]

  really really weird place and so you [TS]

  know already i think the bar for korean [TS]

  BBQ in Tallahassee is relatively low [TS]

  you're not gonna get a lot of [TS]

  international is coming in there and [TS]

  going what the fuck is this right all [TS]

  this kimchi like you know you're getting [TS]

  a lot of people in there who are like oh [TS]

  she would go to settings for BBQ should [TS]

  we go to the for like half a BBQ should [TS]

  go here for buffet sushi boo feat buffet [TS]

  chinese or should we just go to the [TS]

  screws creepy little korean place which [TS]

  is my story in an old pizza but you in [TS]

  there I my hand of god that's happened [TS]

  we went in there we sat down and the [TS]

  owner was one of those like really [TS]

  outgoing like constantly asking you [TS]

  about things and saying things you can [TS]

  understand and right just talking [TS]

  talking talking the whole time because [TS]

  all the guys that on Korean barbecues [TS]

  and our Korean mafia and they all on the [TS]

  same time it's not you it's [TS]

  Christmastime right it's got a picture [TS]

  of Santa Claus on I could look at it was [TS]

  so wide and he at one point he came up [TS]

  he said bring you live here [TS]

  oh you can't give fat our food and I was [TS]

  like what the fuck does that even mean [TS]

  but one point he came on because [TS]

  everything is good or like it was [TS]

  delicious and single camping trip finger [TS]

  camping for finger camping trip my hand [TS]

  to God six people the table every single [TS]

  person had him say finger heard him say [TS]

  finger camping trip and to this day that [TS]

  was probably almost 20 years ago and I [TS]

  still have no fucking idea what that [TS]

  means [TS]

  yeah well I'm still reeling just [TS]

  emotionally really awesome you're [TS]

  incredibly insensitive portrayal of [TS]

  asian-americans how many korean BBQ [TS]

  buffets have you been to that we're [TS]

  screwed about be honest in a pizza hut [TS]

  pizza hut i went to one in New York [TS]

  korean BBQ and on the menu were both [TS]

  ostrich and kangaroo and I guess like [TS]

  getting lobster in Mississippi [TS]

  steakhouse nice but it's new its new [TS]

  york right so so it is entirely [TS]

  plausible that they that they re [TS]

  commissioned an SST and flew this stuff [TS]

  from Australia it you know that that [TS]

  you a live ostrich alive they're very [TS]

  industrious people that are not afraid [TS]

  to put a little bit of money behind [TS]

  bring a bird to the country right and I [TS]

  had this I had both things kangaroo and [TS]

  ostrich at this korean BBQ and i have to [TS]

  say that that you are correct it wasn't [TS]

  scramble some ping-pong typical I'm [TS]

  taking vitamin D one or more is once I [TS]

  took too much vitamin e and my hair fell [TS]

  out [TS]

  well I'm not taking vitamins and games [TS]

  boners talk about vitamin D that's what [TS]

  they have in milk for a long time they [TS]

  said you can't take too much time do is [TS]

  bad for you then you get the whole like [TS]

  no that's not it turns out that's not [TS]

  actually true [TS]

  and now you're taking vitamin D what's [TS]

  it doing for you well so I went to the [TS]

  doctor like I would like I said at the [TS]

  beginning of this thing and he said you [TS]

  got all your vitamins you're fine except [TS]

  one thing you don't have any vitamin D [TS]

  in your body [TS]

  let me at all you need all this vitamin [TS]

  D and you've got like trace amounts of [TS]

  vitamin T and I said is there no vitamin [TS]

  D and haagen dazs because I eat a gallon [TS]

  of haagen-dazs every six hours and he [TS]

  was like well not enough for you you [TS]

  need to get into the Sun it is a thing [TS]

  that happens when you go in the Sun you [TS]

  get vitamin D and I said isn't there [TS]

  another way because i don't want to [TS]

  order the Sun and he said yes there's [TS]

  another way you can take it from a [TS]

  pharmacy in a in a little bit take [TS]

  whatever with every meal i went got some [TS]

  vitamin e and I'm it's too early to say [TS]

  that I'm feeling better [TS]

  yeah but uh but it's nice that it's nice [TS]

  to think that there is a that there is [TS]

  there something chemically wrong with me [TS]

  rather than that there's something [TS]

  spiritually wrong with god that has been [TS]

  such a consolation for me when I figured [TS]

  that out the spirituality thing you can [TS]

  spend a lot of time running down that [TS]

  path [TS]

  no boy no I'm saying what chemicals they [TS]

  got solutions for that listen I don't [TS]

  want to have to delete the next three [TS]

  hours of this conversation [TS]

  ok so what do you notice what's the deal [TS]

  for you drop well I used to have a kind [TS]

  of their service they have been walking [TS]

  around the cloud over me 4a and a [TS]

  figurative cloud in addition to electric [TS]

  literal [TS]

  enovia now the and which one of the [TS]

  lifted i think both i can i can see the [TS]

  Sun take vitamin D and I don't feel like [TS]

  I'm i don't feel like i'm looking at the [TS]

  world through pantyhose anymore [TS]

  also also he's got robbing banks [TS]