178: A Smoother Yar
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Snell and this is part two of our
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console video game draft in part 1
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episode 177 we did the first round of
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our console video game draft and got two
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pics into the second round we're gonna
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go four rounds deep so there's a lot
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more left to listen to and so let's join
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our draft and progress my guests are
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Greg moss John siracusa boise st on
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Steve let's and Tony sindelar and i
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believe it's more assesses turn I didn't
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see now now I'm kind of in position
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behind the the Reverend pics being a
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goofball and choosing the equivalent of
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Miami connection to an extent that we
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never seen the like of that here in here
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there with Monty or or Steve watches
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their game we're gonna play as Skeletor
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cuz i wanna drink had to be a he-man
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game it's something been probably came
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with a burger king mail i want a game
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where I play as Skeletor I'm not
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interested in any man game thank you sir
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my follow-up to what I think was the
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first video game where you can check
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someone bad dudes is another beat him up
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another side scroller featuring an
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unmistakable group of mutated
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green-skinned roided-out martial artists
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and of course I'm talking about
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battletoads oh I take me out there
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it worked one of the hardest games ever
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by anybody's estimation who's actually
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played the game this was obviously
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pitched as a a concept ripoff of the
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Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles we had
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three toads names its pimple and rash
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real classy names to mimic the classic
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artists use for the ninja turtles they
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had this you know big bad that they had
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to fight and they had to punch a lot of
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stuff along the way and there were
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levels where you're in like a little
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hovercar kind of a thing
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this is the Battletoads series as it
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were had an unfortunately short life as
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super popular as the the first game was
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I don't know if it was because of the
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difficulty that the interest kind of way
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down i don't know what the real story is
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but of course battletoads was developed
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by rare who at one time was completely
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under the purview of nintendo and the
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net drifted elsewhere but the there was
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at one point a rumored remakes sequels
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sort of a thing for the game boy advance
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then there was talk of it coming to xbox
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and it's just kind of floating out there
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and it's difficult to impress upon
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people just how hard compared to other
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nes games this one was where people are
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I'll take an example from Super Mario 3d
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World Book you died five times
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consecutively in a world and you get a
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magical leaf that makes you invincible
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and gives you a tunic detail and there
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are certain achievements that you can't
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get if you finish a level that way but
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it still makes you invincible for the
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rest of the level and hold your hand
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makes it easy for you battletoads never
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ever held your hand and there would be
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you could spend not just days but weeks
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on some parts of this game just not
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being able to get past it or charging a
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parent's credit card on the London the
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Nintendo tipline not that I ever did
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that I just got insanely frustrated with
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it wanted to throw the controller across
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the room and it was fun
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oh it's the the reward that came out of
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be of finally solving those you know
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those those tough to get through parts
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or the the singular amount of dr that
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you would get pressuring your friends to
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come on no seriously come over on
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Saturday I cannot be world 5 it's just
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impossible i need another person or it
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i'm i'm never going to beat this game is
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going to drive me crazy it that that
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kind of sensation there are those games
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that are so hard that that that you want
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to give up on them and that was
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definitely battletoads for a lot of
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people but for me it was something that
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really took this skin and reskinned
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reskinned beat him up action genre and
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added a like a quantum level of
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difficulty to it and really played the
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conventions of it too
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to the extent that it
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if you if you manage to just get halfway
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through the game not even beat it you
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would feel a great deal of satisfaction
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just getting always into it because of
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how difficult the thing was i I have
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vivid memories of how hard it was it
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really took kind of nintendo hard and
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ratchet up several several notches I
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just remember dying over and over again
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on the level for your little hover
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scooter thing and they're like wrecking
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balls that hit you and those yeah it was
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intended they ever imported or exported
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to Japan and did they have to change the
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difficulty level it was just right for
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japan in japan when you when you pick up
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the cartridge it just it just inject
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spikes into your hand close your fingers
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of its well strangely enough they
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crossed it over with double dragon they
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took the totally disparate worlds at
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this is this is absolutely real
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they took the totally disparate worlds
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of Battletoads and Double Dragon and
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merge them and had the three battle
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toads and and billy and jimmy the the
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Leigh brothers of Double Dragon uniting
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to fight the forces of of the Dark Queen
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and shadow boss the Dark Queen basically
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the super sultry sexed-up alternative to
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shredder but otherwise the same kind of
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looming dark presence but except
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shredder I I think everybody should sext
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shredder turns out but yeah I i really i
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really wish that the Battletoads it had
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more of a life there was a super
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battletoads game for thus nests and and
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that was a lot of fun too and and
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there's an nes version and SNES version
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of Battletoads and Double Dragon and you
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know I I don't know how rare difficult
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cartridges are to find I know that
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everybody i know finds things
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in the place other than the physical
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realm at this point when it comes to
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well issuu you've done it again but it's
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at any these nes games because again i
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have that i have no NES history at all i
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have never even heard of this game so
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thank thanks for bringing it up music
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and yes that is a terrific classic well
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left game I don't know how you could
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think that was a jokey pic right and I
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thought to newquay was your theme but
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actually Mario Brothers had the tanuki
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and that was Tony I know the Battletoads
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cartridge was really rare and there was
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apparently some kind of thing on the
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internet for a while where people were
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calling the pawn shop that's from that
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reality television show and asking them
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if they had people time it's like every
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hour for days just I don't really know
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and they would transcribe their
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conversations and put them online and it
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turns out that is a quick drive someone
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mad is by asking them for battletoads
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every hour for like four days and our or
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transcribing conversations asking for
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battletoads but also driving man yeah
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it's the road to madness is that way we
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are we are so slow here the third round
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is gonna have to be a lightning round
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Greg NOS though we're midway through the
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second round now and it's been a million
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Greg nice it's your turn what do you
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have I am going back to the 2600 of
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course second love
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after that bastard lots took my first I
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ate it not yars revenge
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uh yeah no yes yes yes
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terrific yeah on one side of the screen
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behind a barrier is some sort of large
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gun you play a small insect i like it
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because it is representative me in the
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real world and you know way at the
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barrier while the gun shoots at you you
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move out of the way and finally once you
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have a path through you can fire your
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cannon at the gun and blow it up and
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then you start all over again and it
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goes faster and faster and faster and
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faster and i played this game endlessly
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to the point where and I'm not proud of
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this i actually wrote a sequel for the
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atari 8-bit computer where there were
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bad guys on both ends and you had to get
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them to shoot each other
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wow I i wrote videogame fanfic well in
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in videogame form it all comes out it
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was a it was a great great fun
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single-player game you could crank
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through a dozen games without spending
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too much time on it was really
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nerve-wracking there was this was
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I mean you talk about the atmospheric
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sound in in things like shadow of the
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colossus this had a pulse that would it
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look like space invaders but more
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mechanical and it would grow and grow
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and grow as as the jeopardy of the game
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went on until finally you either died or
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the enemy was destroyed and the screen
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blew up in a huge explosion it was a
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terrific game and I can actually play in
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your browser right now if you google it
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you can play in your browser they have a
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version online that runs in the browser
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because your computer has several
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million times the processing power
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deputies that's why didn't they have
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JavaScript emulators yars revenge is one
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of that one of the rare atari 2600 games
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that was really unique I mean it wasn't
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it wasn't a port it wasn't you know at a
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clone of some other games that have been
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done 15 other times it was completely
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original and it was really great
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there's an ended the genius of having
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the neutral zone in the middle where you
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couldn't shoot you could ride we
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couldn't be killed either
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yeah but you couldn't but you also can
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shoot so it said interesting little 12
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you could you could park there and go
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juice pack and come back to it leisurely
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and then continue the game made by the
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same guy who made the easy and raiders
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of the lost ark oh yeah this is what he
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can do when he has enough time okay well
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that the artist revenge my memory of
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that is that it was it like see said it
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was so different from a lot of the 2600
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games that it was um I I'm always struck
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that it was an Atari official and not
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one of these like Activision games
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because activision did lots of things to
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kind of like subvert the way you usually
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saw on on on a regular atari game and
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but yours revenge was so different it
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was it was it it felt very different
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even though with an official Atari
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cartridge yeah it also came with that
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really cool little comic book to set the
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scene finally about to experience its
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nice rebug the things like adventure and
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and yours revenge the effort that went
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into them and Atari didn't credit in the
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authors and that's one of the things
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that caused Warren Robinett to put the
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easter egg into adventure and then
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eventually activision to break off as
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they didn't think they were getting the
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credit or the compensation that they
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were do is the creators of these really
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really popular works Steve kitchen and
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the other activision guys took their
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ball and yeah home
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really i believe this developer actually
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did put his initials in ET is an easter
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egg which might have been not a very
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yeah i'm glad that he spent his time on
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that the are actually shows up at 1.2 I
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think you can turn one of the flowers in
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one of the many millions of pits that
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you fall into at any moment into a yard
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it flies out of the pit something that
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you could actually do but the are good
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in my version i took the animation of
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the r and copied it pixel for pixel onto
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the 8-bit but had twice the resolution
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so i could make him smoother
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oh nice smoother ya know
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oh my god when someone says yars revenge
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i think is that an episode of Star Trek
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The Next Generation I missed I thought
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that was what it was first and they
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interacted answer's no no John syracuse
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well I just can't believe this is gone
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this long and no one is pick the obvious
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but I didn't pick up the first pick up
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here we let someone else do it but my
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second pic has to be journey pass to be
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come on we left it for you are gonna say
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i was never heard I didn't want you to
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be angry i can say Matt I mean we did a
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whole episode on it it's episode one
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away to be uncomfortable for people who
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want to listen way more about this i
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called ocarina of time the best video
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game of all time but journey has the
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best quality to length ratio of all time
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a more innuendo firstly they're throwing
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kindling on the fire journey is it is a
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very is a simple game if you look at it
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but i think the game is extremely broad
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and it's more about concepts and
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feelings and it is about a little
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triangular dude walking through desert
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and I think it's abstract enough like it
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is it's not abstract little square
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adventure but in some ways it is because
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it's so disconnected for anything we
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really experienced that you're able to
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engage with it emotionally in ways that
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the individual players make concrete for
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themselves you know what I mean and this
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probably sounds ridiculous to non-gamers
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and maybe it sounds difficult ridiculous
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to some gamers who might be jaded or
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have lost the sense of childlike wonder
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I don't know you could be referring to
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playing journey was one of the most
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meaningful gaming experiences of my life
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and it's its biggest part of the kind of
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persistent prejudice against games that
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if someone makes a similar statement
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about a great book it will be met with
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I mean you said about games people think
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you're a loser but I stand by it and I
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think that needs to change the idea that
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all this book really meant something to
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me and it's my favorite book Charlotte's
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books are cool either well what people
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say Michael this book is really
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meaningful to me or whatever and people
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like oh you must be a deep person said
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the better video game you think you all
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will you don't you know you don't have
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loser you need a lot of cheetos exactly
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to length ratio Jason yep I that's a
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gonna go you know I don't love racing
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games I don't entirely understand the
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guy it's almost like a theme here and it
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it's not intentional the super realistic
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racing games like my iPad you can you
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can play racing games that are you like
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crazy simulations of cars and and and
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racetracks and all that and you know
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what that maybe it's because I I was
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brought up on night driver on the HR
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the daytime we can't do that so black is
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cheaper to render its black and then
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there's a tree there's a sign and the
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dotted lines and that's all
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sometimes wonder i'm not i'm not sure i
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may not have played any other console
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you game for as many hours as I've
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played mario kart wii so I'm gonna pick
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mario kart wii it's not realistic in any
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way and i don't care i love the variety
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of the levels i love the game play with
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the different power-ups i love that i
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can play it with multiple people in the
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uh I I can play with with the computer
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opponents iie you know you're in the
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different vehicles you you know i like
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i'm doing like the manual with the
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breaking and the bell on the bullet bike
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other levels that i will like literally
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games jason i think you can be forgiven
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for choosing the wrong memory card game
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what is the right mark i would mario
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kart double dash is the right now double
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damages the correct i think it's it's
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yeah I well that's well very
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prescriptive I think you know we have to
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find our own way to the rainbow road
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there's always going to be the SNES
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defenders but i'm going to go double
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dash i would put the mario kart des
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entry ahead of all of those I played a
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i've only played the wii version of the
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wrong in the wii version it has many of
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the best courses from the old ash
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might have all of them is just like that
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dash it gives you a two-player new
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players in one car on the freaking blue
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it's in all the games yeah but in in
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the greatest second party studio of all
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time and that is nintendo 64 era
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rareware ah it's conker's bad fur day is
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a game that was announced as Congress
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quest III it was a platformer featuring
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the QT red squirrel conquer who is a
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playable character on diddy kong racing
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was clearly aimed at kids and then the
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early screenshots kind of show this
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cutie cartoony art style that looks like
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it came from a TV show and preschoolers
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and then somewhere during the four years
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it was in development apparently the dev
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team went insane and the end they said
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to each others say what if instead of
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conquer being a cheerful happy-go-lucky
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kid friendly sap we make him a drunken
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bastard and then we fill the rest of the
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game with swearing and poop jokes
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well they did yeah and the result is
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magnificent it's like they made a game
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yeah it is delightfully filthy it starts
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off with conquer stumbling into a pub
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called the cock and plucker and then it
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goes steadily downhill from here that is
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that is you in videogame form to there's
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an extended sequence where conquer
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drinks beer from kegs in order to lower
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himself with ammo so that he can pee on
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a group of flaming pimps I was gonna I
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was gonna mention that was the one part
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of the game I remember don't you get to
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pee on people who are on fire now the
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mind coming up you have to admit though
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you you must remember the P physics
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being a truly wondrous thing the the
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implementation of the distri- and you're
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aiming it'sit's kind of hoping you're
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gonna go goldeneye something but now we
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know in a way I did with yeah I know
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where you did you're right this is the
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innuendo show this week and then there's
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the great mighty poo the best boss in
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the history of video games he's a
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gigantic opera singing turd with sweet
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corn four teeth who attacks by hurling
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chunks of himself at you
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meanwhile the art style and the music
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are still just this if it's still is
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completely over-the-top cute stuff which
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hilarious but it's not entirely scat
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humor the games also filled with a lot
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of clever parodies of movies and gaming
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conventions if it was entirely filth i
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probably wouldn't nominate it but it
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also is an incredibly fun game to play
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there's this great variety in the
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gameplay and one minute you're in
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first-person shooter mode blasting dung
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beetles to bits with a slingshot the
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next you're playing a twisted version of
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Donkey Kong where you dodge rolling
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balls of poo instead of barrels it has
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challenging bits but it's never horribly
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frustrating it controls like a dream
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even on the crappy n64 analog stick has
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some of the best considering it came at
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the end of the nintendo 64 his life
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cycle is not surprising that it has some
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of the best graphics I think that were
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ever produced on the end
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264 a wonderful dynamic soundtrack
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including a great tune in dung beetle
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and where the majestic farm is used as
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an instrument to great effect i start to
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finish I think this is probably the most
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fun I've ever had playing a console game
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Wow getting that everybody ocarina of
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time that Congress bad for day two
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thumbs up all conker's bad fur day is
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great you know the problem with ocarina
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times they had a guy on that group who
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is like whoa too many poop jokes at
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conkers bad fur day that guy did not
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have a job and that probably would have
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helped but as I pointed out conquer is
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all about variety you never doing the
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same thing twice and ocarina is the same
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thing over and over again for the poop
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jokes but the different poop jokes are
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differently I you can go a long ways
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with a poop joke had lasted 41 years
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yeah there you go all right lightning
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round we're moving on Tony
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alright i'll actually be a lightning
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round I'm going to also go for the n64 i
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will draft goldeneye from 1997 this
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could have been a crappy movie tie-in
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game is tied into a crappy movie tied
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into a crappy movie in fact it arrived
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two years late it was came out in 1997
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move goldeneye the movie was 1995 so
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it's very late for the movie tie-ins but
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it managed to be kind of an amazing game
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that kind of brought the first person
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shooter experience that you know lots of
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pc gamers that had to the console and
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you know it has a so-so single-player
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campaign that i played through a bunch
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of times but probably the key feature of
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it was the four player split screen
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multiplayer with a bunch of different
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maps and different game modes and you
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know a lot of this was you know some
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stuff we already kind of scene four
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the ability to plant their proximity
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mines and I remotely controlled mines
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which was kind of a new twist on the you
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at people and you know it is pretty
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simple graphics for the time the
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characters heads kinda look like squares
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with kind of a picture pierce brosnan
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superimposed on the square but at the
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I i played countless countless hours of
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the the multiplayer experience of gold
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alright that's me people
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goldeneye that's better game than the
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movie and you don't get to say that very
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often is it's your turn
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noun titled games that involve pairs of
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dudes going on on a side-scrolling quest
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of some sort not a beat him up a
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licensed game which i still own a
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cartridge of the nintendo entertainment
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systems may kids McDonald's jokey pic
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McDonald's and eat it
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hold on hold on mcdonalds had virgin
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games developed this this side-scrolling
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game where these two kids make and Mac I
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think calling the white kid nick is a
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little ping-pong if you ask me I think I
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think we should really read examine the
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the racism of early nineties nes games
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who were sent by ronald mcdonald because
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the creepy clown couldn't do this
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himself to collect I i want to say they
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were they were like like puzzle pieces
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the side-scrolling element of it that
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made it unique at this point was that
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there was this little thing that if you
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held down the button ran to the end of a
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platform it would flip the kid upside
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down so it reverse gravity and it is so
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surprising good platformer for something
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that is a crass Lee fast-food branded
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game released for at the time the
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behemoth of home consoles and reviews
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where you know people were like this is
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this garbage sellout crap and there were
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others that praised the platforming
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elements of it I rented it when I was a
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kid and was surprised that it wasn't
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awful and kept it longer than you know
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the regular two or three days or
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whatever they gave you the grocery store
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you know where you used to be able to
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rent video games and then you found
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yourself inexplicably craving the grip
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well the crazy thing was I lived in a
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suburb of dallas where they were
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test-marketing the McStuffins for does
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anybody know what the McStuffins is it's
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on disney junior right
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all right take a baguette hollow it out
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and put meat and cheese and grease into
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it so they would have like a pepperoni
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pizza mix toughens and so when I found
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myself going Wow mcdonalds I see it in a
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let's go to McDonald's mom there's this
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weird thing that is crazier than the
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mcrib on the menu I was like let's go to
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this place creeps me out there but the
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game it really is surprisingly good and
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it wouldn't seem that way from the way
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that it's described and and believe it
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or not it was reiterated into i want to
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say master master system game called
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global gladiators or something or
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another with the same two leads but
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completely unrecognizable compared to
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the nes game the kids y'all I it is
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better than spot the cool adventure
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it is better than uh face the chuckwagon
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fido dido fight is better than 50 Dido
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is that game where you play as annoyed
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but you know what I mean
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yo annoyed yeah it's better than you
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know it and it was released in europe
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for our European incomparable listeners
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as mcdonald land which is probably what
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they just shouldn't call it i'm still
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trying to get over mix toughens actually
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that was everybody who ate them yeah
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abdomen or something and platform the
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can actually work and up until that
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control and Mario itself did camera
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the different things that you can do
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levels where it's slippery and of course
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extruding it which would not have worked
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make some noise when you reposition I
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destroying my my one and only n64
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controller so many times in that two
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daughter asks to play as she wants
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supply she doesn't know the name but she
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wants the primary 64 over all the other
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things like Hello Kitty and I'm it's
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mario 64 that she wants to play mostly
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outside the castle and climb the trees
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impressive i have to think that even at
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game so much i actually tried the d/s
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remake oh god yeah I had the DSP make of
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not a great game to play on a tank top
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the castle kind of in awe and once you
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look around and you're like what is like
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what else is in this room who have gone
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door have done those things what else is
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up at the top of the other in the foyer
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a little medallion on the ceiling with
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like a starburst on it and when you look
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probably doesn't work with modern gamers
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amazing graphics that are showing their
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graphics and I was looking around
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the reward for doing that was you get to
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definitive answers to things there were
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in that was that there were through some
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elaborate series of events you could you
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could be Luigi and they would be like
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slightly doctored screenshots of it and
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have not grown up with Nintendo started
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this whole i missed this whole lot
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shorter but my kids my kids first video
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game consoles the wii and so they know
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all of the Mario and all the Nintendo
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characters and I I'm fascinated by that
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intelligence that that's great is that
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they have this because it's like a band
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willing to be in a side-scroller they're
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willing to play tennis they're playing
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the place to play baseball mario mario
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super sluggers man we put they are you
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know it's amazing and so they end and
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greatness was a very nice fellow and
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sent me in the mail a couple years ago
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an original superman cartridge for Atari
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and I could play that I dad that is
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maybe the game I mastered the most my
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entire life as sad as that is to say I
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going to pick the reason the game that's
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the reason that i bought next box which
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I like the setting i like the it was the
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first shooter that I had played that had
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the fun vehicle interaction there was an
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unfortunate trend after that were like
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everything had to have vehicles grafted
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onto in horrible ways even 3rd person
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games like massive aqui ya half-life
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half-life 2 has a horrible section we
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clear that i love the dune buggy and
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elegant we talking about your mistake
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love it the dune buggy is awful it is
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clearly about somebody saw like oh man
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you get to drive a warthog
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running low get-get on a dune buggy or
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something because we need we need what
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it but the vehicles thing is the thing
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that was really cool and yeah it's kind
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halo 4 i have played some of it i have I
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they're great they're enjoyable but
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they're they're recycling a lot now that
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the entire dreamcast library of games
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single-player you can replace arrows and
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you have to leave mice into space ships
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so that they can go to the moon but you
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the mice out of the spaceships because
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they eat the mice but then it has this
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incredibly frenetic multiplayer mode
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four players and for spaceships and
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replacing arrows to try and bring my
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stew your spaceship and bring cats to
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your other people and this game turns
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people into animals in ways that I've
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people who should know better
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what's your Quick Pick teenage mutant
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ninja turtles to the arcade game for the
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crunch the ninja turtles arcade game
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into an nes size package and it still
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game and when when you combine the price
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quarters i spent in the arcade the small
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fortune that game separated me from is
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incalculable Greg what do you have
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a console in itself Atari super pong was
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the home version of the arcade palm i
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four different pong variations we played
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a sign for maybe another world also
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talk about wasting your life as such
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really more yeah but uh space invaders
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just a popular arcade game as an a 2600
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game it was great and I played it for
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mario kart which would have driven me to
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would have chosen red red dead
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redemption on the xbox 360 that's kind
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angry that Tony picked goldeneye because
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he would have picked go by so he would
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have gone to his next election but sadly
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3 so he would have had to move onto
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bushido blade for the poet's one
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that's a classic fighter game very
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different if you could hit people with
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one foot if you did it right its kind of
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sitting stylized samurai fighting game
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was that was classic and his 32nd pic
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would have been baseball stars on the
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nes oh boy on the NES not the Neo Geo
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well their baseball stars for the nest
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what Dan says in his email baseball
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starts to cousin Eugene because he's you
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know at Disneyland
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okay who has a let's let's do the clear
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out whatever else is on your list
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Steve do you have anything else that you
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didn't mention that you want to just
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mention now in past I had a crapload of
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stuff i will just speed through it first
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Super Mario Brothers I grand theft auto
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3 ghouls and ghosts but a contra River
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eight megalomania pitfall Raiders etc
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etc and finally animal crossing city
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fulco its left off and morrowind oh my
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god more wind and psychonauts NHL never
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mind he thought that was going to be a
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three-parter Tony what's your what's
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alright star wars knights of the old
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republic for the xbox Pikmin for
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gamecube jet set radio also known as jet
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grind radio for the dreamcast final
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fantasy 7 for the PlayStation GTA 3 4
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playstation 2 it's Steve mentioned gears
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of war resident evil 4 for the gamecube
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metal gear solid for the PlayStation
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castlevania symphony of the night for
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the PlayStation megaman 2 for the nest
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psychonauts for the xbox I think Steve
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mentioned that and then orange box /
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portal for the xbox 360 which probably
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would have been my next pic but I wasn't
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sure how that it is it's like multiple
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games in one pc games that's better PCX
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I mean it was available for xbox at the
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same time it was it was for certain
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games that are really pc games and
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half-life is one of us have a portal was
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you know was available for PC yeah yeah
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I guess I mean you guys pick things that
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were also available as arcade cabinets
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truth is any leftovers i had to backup
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list one of them was adjective location
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air fortress developed by how labs for
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the nes startropics i think i'm not sure
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if it was also done by how but it was
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also a nintendo own property
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today do you have to spend space dollars
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in the stardrop no startropics is an
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over-the-top legend of zelda type
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adventure game which is really super
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awesome and then start tropics to zodos
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revenge and then my other one was was my
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final fantasy fanboy list of final
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fantasy 12 and three us numbering Greg
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at anything I've got I've got donkey
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kong on the colecovision just because it
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was the first home game that could rival
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the arcade game that i had played it was
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incredibly faithful even if it didn't do
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all the levels and pitfall for the 2608
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fault that's a good one that's a great
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pretty much anything activision did in
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the beginning freeway megalomania river
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aid kaboom with you know you get to
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10,000 points on kaboom his expression
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changes that's just idea what I did
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instead of having a childhood you're not
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ah John I didn't have many more pics
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just for nintendo good stuff I've got
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the legend of zelda twilight princess
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which is a as I've said many shows
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rising in my esteem as time passes
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metroid prime which is one of the rare
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first-person shooter style games that I
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think fits in well on a console resident
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evil but the gamecube remake not the
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eight original PlayStation 1 it's a
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fantastic game also a strange case we're
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like the remake is actually better than
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the original because it is totally the
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original just nicer kinda like shadow
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the class on the ps3 and rounding out
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the legend of zelda the windwaker HD
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remake or the regular either one works
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they're both great right and and my 2
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left overs were at our superb and he's
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like Superman except he has the symbol
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of Atari on his shirt know the 2600
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version of superman which I have a
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cartridge now thanks Greg
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he blinks when he's in the room with two
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bad guys out and the other 1i had down
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is since i had that PS one i spent a lot
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of time playing crash bandicoot which
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was a very nice 3d platformer why has
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that not been remastered why like those
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three games are so good
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yeah yeah I enjoyed having a little
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this kind of thing happening and it's a
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very bad naughty dog to isn't very yeah
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yeah very nice and get around to be
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doing nicely rendered 3d problems that
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PlayStation games are so low poly and
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Syria low-res texture that I mean I'd
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love to see silent hill right one
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remastered but definitely keep in mind
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that I was coming from the 2600 so it
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was very impressed
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okay no that's one because we're very
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impressive back in the day it's just
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that to remaster them now would be a
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non-trivial you know just remembered
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yeah and that pretty much close the book
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on this draft I think oh yeah I know as
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a draft man somebody close the door
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because I sure do like craft let a match
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yeah I so this was great lots of games
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and if you have no they are in position
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of old consoles you play these games or
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emulators but this was a lot of fun
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little little walk down memory lane for
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some people lots of lots of games of the
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more recent vintage and then for people
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like me and Greg lots of things from the
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old times or tired when life was good
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yeah back in the day disappointed
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there's never been a prospector based
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game to speak of
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oh I'm sure there has your lucky come on
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dig dug that's good
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minor 2014 einer just a straight-up
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minor to their minor cursor to load
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yep I not talking about loadrunner that
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until we get to the computer game draft
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sorry I'm getting ahead of myself
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alright i'd like to thank my guests for
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picking many video games this is a lot
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Steve lots as always thank you so much
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for coming and boy you play a lot of
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video games damn a lot of old video
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my pleasure sir and yes I have wasted my
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life all right so long as you can
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consider that little all those video
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games a flash for before your eyes as
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you're on your deathbed and you'll say
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somebody had me a joystick I would play
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I actually think it's a positive yeah I
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think it's good i would get me off the
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yep that's right now man imagine the
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life of crime you want to add things he
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would be the victim
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Greg NOS thank you for being here taking
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victims and and baking my pics seem very
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thank you I i just want them to stop
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making video games so hard and
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complicated yeah i agree with you I'm
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with you Tony sindelar as always thank
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you for being here and and you also play
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a lot of video games i I'm disgustedly
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too many never not true there is no such
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quantity I is to you and thanks for
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dropping in it was great I you you were
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like a video game episode what's that
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all about you came with some some crazy
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heard about battletoads so thank you for
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enlightening me and changing my life
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finally my my time working customer
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service at funcoland had a purpose and
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John siracusa as always thank you for I
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I'm I'm glad nobody sniped your skype
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journey because that really would have
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I was prepared for it could have had in
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fact i'm kind of disappointed that you
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guys are picked terrible atari 2600 and
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just that but you know whenever we're
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orange back in my day we bought our
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video games and Fred cold war games
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don't exist without our games i felt
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compelled to pick older games to make
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people not feel bad it's like they're
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not picking anything that makes dirty
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that the year starts with the two that
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would be scary right you guys like 160
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classics that your classics i did not i
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didn't pick anything from vintage game
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the last five years yeah like you know
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like a hall-of-fame until you've got
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nostalgic coloring these things it's
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really you know it's hard to try to know
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in my day we picked up our video game
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consoles shears along with some tools
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know some tough skins i look forward to
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forcing Jason to buy a playstation 4 to
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play last guardian 2016 yeah get ready
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Jason alright in 20 2016 upon reading a
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little help I'm being optimistic yeah
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any day nah I'll just I'll just borrow
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some counsel for that
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yeah pretty much no I was happy to let
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let journey stay out there for you
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although honestly I'm I depicted in the
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second round so good that you got when
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you did but I i thought that was only
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right all right well that uh that wraps
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it up we've picked many video games and
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I'd like to thank everybody out there
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once again I've been your host Jason
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cell thanks for listening to your
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comfortable we will see you next time
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