Roderick on the Line

Ep. 37: "The CEO of Magic"


  hello hi John [TS]

  hi Marilyn how are you I'm well how are [TS]

  you doing quite well you seem a little [TS]

  bit you seem a little bit tense [TS]

  what makes you say that well I don't [TS]

  know there's something there's something [TS]

  in the way that your person your lips [TS]

  are sealed tight tight lipped can be [TS]

  honest with you [TS]

  you have a mouth full of peanut butter [TS]

  now you just ate a peanut butter rabbit [TS]

  i just ate [TS]

  oh hang on i discovered it when you have [TS]

  to read the After read the box that i [TS]

  just ate hold on hold on [TS]

  yeah it's like a gustatory mad libs uh I [TS]

  just I don't have a new convenience [TS]

  pretty well i was i was rushing to get [TS]

  back because you know i look forward to [TS]

  our show i just i think it was the oh is [TS]

  the dry cops [TS]

  there's this thing you can get this [TS]

  dingus plastic thing is full of sliced [TS]

  meats which I can get a lot at the lucky [TS]

  i think but at the lucky which is a [TS]

  drugstore [TS]

  mm no no it's formerly albertsons also [TS]

  alright supermarket [TS]

  yeah yeah I i have to tell you John well [TS]

  first of two finish the threat i was [TS]

  sucking a long white piece of fat out of [TS]

  my teeth because it was frustrating me [TS]

  and I hadn't thought to do that before i [TS]

  started calling you on the Internet [TS]

  uh so I was like which would which [TS]

  imitates the sound of a person who's a [TS]

  little fence is the little time I gotta [TS]

  serve hearts to school with so much [TS]

  better now I just have to make it and [TS]

  pasta shaped aperture well here's what [TS]

  you get you know I got it I got my [TS]

  reality this is not cheap so something [TS]

  like I don't know seven or eight dollars [TS]

  but it's called an antipasto and it's [TS]

  like the top it's on the top shelf [TS]

  this is the this is the Primo the Primo [TS]

  meet up here I don't know how much you [TS]

  shop for groceries John but when you do [TS]

  you will not miss this if you go to the [TS]

  lucky get lucky in question do you get [TS]

  the opportunity for dinners up there [TS]

  right [TS]

  we don't have we don't have lucky Syria [TS]

  don't think or at least not in my [TS]

  neighborhood isn't that much from up [TS]

  there [TS]

  apparently he was talking about a no [TS]

  he's not always twin falls idaho nice [TS]

  talk about Idaho [TS]

  even boise he's from boys boys yeah [TS]

  people thinks built to spill the Seattle [TS]

  but there-there Idaho man you're not to [TS]

  have a beard night out [TS]

  Oh in some parts of my house is required [TS]

  and that is it like a check box [TS]

  somewhere you gotta if you wanna get the [TS]

  deed they gotta fill your beard [TS]

  no in fact it's it's a checkpoint on [TS]

  highway haha he's not there all sections [TS]

  you don't guys okay it's by a company [TS]

  called is hey it's my company called boo [TS]

  set o Musa said not yet meddling little [TS]

  hard but Seto foods again says you tell [TS]

  us fans consider that is gourmet [TS]

  restaurant remote California and that [TS]

  san dimas that's where a military from [TS]

  rights and he was high school rules when [TS]

  he was highschool football rules that's [TS]

  it you know i always like to think that [TS]

  you exist outside of time but then I [TS]

  realize you've seen movies you [TS]

  occasionally quote a line from a movie [TS]

  which is not normally your style you [TS]

  know where there are few it's a it's a [TS]

  problem I have because I often claimed [TS]

  not to know anything about music [TS]

  mm that's somewhere that's that really [TS]

  benefits seriously I'm serious that [TS]

  benefits us insist i don't iike like I [TS]

  don't know anything about computers and [TS]

  especially at parties playing with [TS]

  family [TS]

  yeah you know on cannot fix your [TS]

  computer and i'm the same IP I i cannot [TS]

  fix your problem of not knowing what [TS]

  music to listen to you think you'd ever [TS]

  want to be a host or you want to call it [TS]

  a judge on one of the shows we tell [TS]

  people how badly they saying you think [TS]

  it would have done that before the for [TS]

  the for the EMP up here people have come [TS]

  a couple years in a row and I've sat on [TS]

  a panel where we listen to demo tapes of [TS]

  like two dozen bands and narrow them [TS]

  down and give one like a prize and then [TS]

  their band play the all the bands played [TS]

  a big festival i love it i love that [TS]

  work because they're because what what's [TS]

  a you know what's happening in somebody [TS]

  else's song is very easy to see when [TS]

  you're sitting outside of it [TS]

  mhm it is it that they're not in the [TS]

  room you're just listening also there in [TS]

  the room and I'm looking them right in [TS]

  the eye and saying you know what [TS]

  happened when you went to the second [TS]

  chorus e you overthought it you got a [TS]

  little too little too small [TS]

  for your own good and you screwed it up [TS]

  and they go who I mean not and they they [TS]

  say and they come up afterwards and say [TS]

  thank you you've changed my life hell [TS]

  for helping me thank you for helping me [TS]

  can I do anything for you and you [TS]

  considered that the diminished chord [TS]

  might have diminished your song mir3 [TS]

  ever see it with the Meudon like we're [TS]

  picking on my thai food i think i said [TS]

  Howard Stern on one of these I there's [TS]

  so many of them you see here's the thing [TS]

  i don't think i don't watch that stuff I [TS]

  watch a lot of TV but i don't watch [TS]

  regular TV I don't watch we don't have [TS]

  cable [TS]

  you know I I yeah you know I have [TS]

  different means and I I don't have to [TS]

  see those things unless I'm in a hotel [TS]

  room or thai restaurant right you [TS]

  technically don't have to see them if [TS]

  you're in a hotel room but you do have [TS]

  to do that i was trying the TV it's [TS]

  really weird i don't know why no i don't [TS]

  i was over at some friends house the [TS]

  other day and we were sitting in the [TS]

  living room together and we were there [TS]

  for several hours talking having a [TS]

  delightful conversation but the TV was [TS]

  on in the bedroom with the volume on [TS]

  pretty loud and it was just over there [TS]

  like they're worse there were people [TS]

  arguing in the bedroom basically is what [TS]

  it sounded like [TS]

  and we were sitting in weave sitting in [TS]

  the living room enjoying one another and [TS]

  nobody felt we weren't interested in [TS]

  going in and watch what's happening on [TS]

  the TV was just in there is a kind of [TS]

  like a music almost playing like a bit [TS]

  was it was fulfilling the role of [TS]

  background music another thing that if i [TS]

  may say you obviously don't like I think [TS]

  you actually despise background music [TS]

  that correct well not it not it for [TS]

  other people or not in there not another [TS]

  people gradual progression background [TS]

  he's right I don't begrudge people [TS]

  background music but I never play it i [TS]

  never have music on in the house because [TS]

  a it really really distracts me I cannot [TS]

  do anything else if there's music [TS]

  playing I I just end up wandering over [TS]

  and sitting down in a chair in front of [TS]

  the speaker and staring at it so I [TS]

  cannot wash the dishes and listen music [TS]

  I can't fold laundry with music on [TS]

  because I my brain can't take the [TS]

  can't take can't take that kind of [TS]

  distraction you focus and I&I for the [TS]

  same reason I never listen to talk radio [TS]

  people are like oh did you hear that [TS]

  thing on NPR I'm like I've never listen [TS]

  to NPR in my life unless I am trapped [TS]

  somewhere where it's playing and then I [TS]

  want everyone to stop talking please so [TS]

  i can hear what the people on the radio [TS]

  were saying [TS]

  mhm people that have NPR going all the [TS]

  time and their kids are conducting their [TS]

  daily business and they're on the phone [TS]

  with people and NPR's in the background [TS]

  like what are you doing are you [TS]

  listening to this thing or are you doing [TS]

  this other thing [TS]

  how could you can't do both like it is [TS]

  but it's like a bad it's an RO fleece it [TS]

  just keeps you cozy to have it on all [TS]

  the time I think I used to do it I can't [TS]

  do it now it does not keep me because it [TS]

  keeps me I make that puts me absolutely [TS]

  on edge when I get into a taxi and the [TS]

  guys listening to talk radio first thing [TS]

  they say is would you turn the radio off [TS]

  please [TS]

  well they're like that well yeah I'm [TS]

  like it doesn't taste don't I don't I [TS]

  don't like that I don't boy have a lot [TS]

  to circle back to that touches and snap [TS]

  and I say yeah sorry [TS]

  taxi driver would you stop looking at [TS]

  your phone please oh brother i think a [TS]

  lot of these guys are running ebay [TS]

  businesses the ones are the ones who [TS]

  have a bluetooth and speaking in a [TS]

  language so that i won't understand them [TS]

  i'm pretty sure they're running either [TS]

  some kind of offshore thing or and/or [TS]

  possibly anybody might be a sex slave [TS]

  thing but they're talking the whole time [TS]

  and it's just this this home I don't [TS]

  even know what what you know the other [TS]

  two hurts where they doing their tech [TS]

  support their answering people's [TS]

  questions about their mcintosh you see [TS]

  ya [TS]

  standard double dippers yeah yeah [TS]

  they're taking calls except they're [TS]

  taking calls from people in india or [TS]

  pakistan fixing their computers [TS]

  oh wow that's like that's like that's [TS]

  like a no Henry story up but I asked [TS]

  them to stop all that I want to talk to [TS]

  them about Pakistan I I go ahead yeah [TS]

  i'm so scared to do that girl please go [TS]

  ahead and continue I had a guy from from [TS]

  Eritrea one-time say eritrea i'll cut [TS]

  that out [TS]

  say say you know the problem is that i [TS]

  talked to 50 people a day [TS]

  and if I tell them all about [TS]

  eritrea then I have said the same thing [TS]

  50 times in a day [TS]

  I've said the same thing about my home [TS]

  country 50 times if that is not [TS]

  interesting to me what's interesting to [TS]

  me is you telling me your story about [TS]

  what you are doing mr. person who is [TS]

  writing in my taxi and I said Wow [TS]

  because from my perspective I always get [TS]

  a taxi and I try and find out from the [TS]

  guy where he's from and what his story [TS]

  is my guys like yeah but we hate that [TS]

  because anyone whoever shows an interest [TS]

  in this wants to know the same thing [TS]

  where you from how long you've been in [TS]

  America why do you like it here [TS]

  do you ever go back he's like I've you [TS]

  know I've told that story a million [TS]

  times I want to know why you are landing [TS]

  at washington dulles airport and where [TS]

  I'm you know how long you're going to be [TS]

  in Washington DC that's what's [TS]

  interesting to me I was like wow we [TS]

  should have a conversation then where we [TS]

  each exchange information with the other [TS]

  is like it's like a no Henry story [TS]

  inside of an oh Henry story which is [TS]

  perfect [TS]

  mm so they'll be like a double twist and [TS]

  here's the thing I've never broken arm [TS]

  and I've never had like say like a [TS]

  pepperoni-sized birthmark on my face but [TS]

  it seems to me I've never broken arm [TS]

  have never broken anything and never had [TS]

  a cavity what yeah what you've never had [TS]

  a cavity [TS]

  yeah well you don't have a cavity right [TS]

  now not a single one a single 1i got [TS]

  I've had three wisdom teeth pulled and [TS]

  apart from that flawless always had a [TS]

  couple Crown had to throw behind another [TS]

  two so I'm might be 4i have fluoride you [TS]

  know precious bodily fluids i have [TS]

  fluoride in the water and Cincinnati so [TS]

  that I say what you will now also [TS]

  identical to work to PNG so we got a lot [TS]

  of crest oh my god high five [TS]

  thanks from across the internets it's [TS]

  one of those things that really [TS]

  frustrates people have two minutes I [TS]

  don't say it a lot [TS]

  it's one of those things like you like [TS]

  those people who would always get a look [TS]

  i'm sure they found that smiley he can't [TS]

  and of course they always get an A and [TS]

  you like shut up you know what I mean I [TS]

  hate those people and I I don't like to [TS]

  be the person where somebody I just a 19 [TS]

  felling you're like I've never had a [TS]

  cavity incredible yeah incredible never [TS]

  had a cavity you know I've had a lot of [TS]

  dental dental problems [TS]

  you know what I'm gonna write that on a [TS]

  car to go on the big pile because I [TS]

  suspect consistent interesting but [TS]

  here's the thing [TS]

  now i have had things like what now [TS]

  listen this is not domestic abuse but if [TS]

  you ever have anything on your face it [TS]

  could be closer cookies of sarees it [TS]

  could be a stress bomb it could be a [TS]

  bruise but here's the thing if you've [TS]

  got a broken arm [TS]

  oh my god you have to talk so much about [TS]

  your broken arm before I'm just saying [TS]

  I've been around this might have a funny [TS]

  first name and when you have a funny [TS]

  first name you don't suffer from this [TS]

  you you have to constantly first of all [TS]

  I have to I have to live with this is [TS]

  fine i have to live with you mean like [TS]

  the magician and I say yes like the [TS]

  motion who would person under 18 years [TS]

  old says that you mean like the magician [TS]

  really a Merlin now I'm you know that is [TS]

  absolutely right my friend mark I've [TS]

  talked about my friend market with the [TS]

  Instax want him to miss a very little [TS]

  here [TS]

  well here's that thing got Italian name [TS]

  I don't think so I don't think she lives [TS]

  in New York nothing have Italians there [TS]

  here's the thing Marco Marco has a [TS]

  theory on this i might have shared with [TS]

  you [TS]

  he calls it the snap to grid problem now [TS]

  you don't suffer from this because [TS]

  you're the problem in the snap to grid [TS]

  problem easily [TS]

  yes you are you're the Monad right [TS]

  possible [TS]

  well yeah there's a couple of them we [TS]

  have to we have like different endings [TS]

  to know who they are is a word canning [TS]

  and gets word isn't it mm we cease can [TS]

  lot in college like there was there was [TS]

  a lesbian Amy and snake Amy and other [TS]

  lesbian Amy you know you give Kennex two [TS]

  people in a small college as us being me [TS]

  yeah but they had my daughter school [TS]

  there's old fella in New bella and other [TS]

  Bella it sucked the other Bella of their [TS]

  Bella third Bella down [TS]

  yeah but the Bellis up three here's the [TS]

  thing okay so if you got a broken arm [TS]

  know your constant you know what I'm [TS]

  just gonna let you talk [TS]

  I'm just saying that it would suck it [TS]

  it's only sucks a little bit to have my [TS]

  name because i have a pretty awesome [TS]

  name great Merlin Mann Marlon Dean man [TS]

  Merlin Dean man the third is a pretty [TS]

  cool name [TS]

  oh my god you could do worse I should [TS]

  have named my daughter Merlin demon the [TS]

  third yeah that would've been real sweet [TS]

  i could do it back if I could do it over [TS]

  if I could go back [TS]

  yeah like but it was like Donna Donna [TS]

  flappy up but Donna flapjacks [TS]

  copy smell that no other Donna flapjacks [TS]

  mean Danny's Donna know he's fast on are [TS]

  faster and faster than all the other [TS]

  fast on huh [TS]

  Don is all the way down you know [TS]

  ok so Marcus says the problem is what he [TS]

  calls the snap to grid problem now in a [TS]

  few you know you don't use computers but [TS]

  you know you can do things like for your [TS]

  icons in a window what will snap to [TS]

  certain pleasing grid I know you're just [TS]

  your little bit you know I don't like [TS]

  when people use those cds and adjectives [TS]

  so I won't do that but I know you like [TS]

  like things to be raised a certain way [TS]

  anybody if my icons on my computer on my [TS]

  computer which I don't have [TS]

  yes my icons are not snap to grid yes I [TS]

  cannot sleep like if one of them is [TS]

  often but I have to come in and do it [TS]

  all over again XD sort alphabetically [TS]

  oil [TS]

  IDK modifydate modified yeah they are [TS]

  sorted alphabetically because date [TS]

  modified at the they're bouncing all [TS]

  over the place I want to be in the same [TS]

  place at the top that's so in your so [TS]

  much more of a Mac user than you think [TS]

  ok but you know what listen I'm gonna [TS]

  write that down type it somewhere market [TS]

  here's the problem so let's say let's [TS]

  say somebody meets the main aim jaunt or [TS]

  jon lord john i'm just mean that upper [TS]

  jaw know I know a guy named John oj onl [TS]

  which is still a silly name that is a [TS]

  sorry John but no i mean like in first [TS]

  John and I gotta spell that his name is [TS]

  spelt jnl it could hardly be any easier [TS]

  without having you know implied letters [TS]

  yeah but I wouldn't assume that no you [TS]

  would say it's joh and dash [TS]

  oh right or j 8 h mo no okay well okay [TS]

  and also i knew a girl in college books [TS]

  and what this school lets people three [TS]

  names names Jonna don't know i know i [TS]

  know john which sounds kinda like you [TS]

  would grant that name a little bit [TS]

  well we could argue sometimes you're [TS]

  like hey Jana I mean a charming you [TS]

  think John it gets mistake for Donna no [TS]

  I think jonna gets mistaken for jama who [TS]

  or ok so you've got John so you are you [TS]

  are already on the grid now Marco most [TS]

  people he says hello my name is Marco [TS]

  and and they're going to hear or [TS]

  remember Marcos right or or some other [TS]

  name that snaps easier to the grid [TS]

  no I'm saying yes yeah well imagine if [TS]

  you were [TS]

  accurist encryption Kirsten [TS]

  this is like water skiers kirsten this [TS]

  is one I have a in the West all the time [TS]

  I don't know you know what I'm in New [TS]

  York is the only in Northwest thing I'm [TS]

  a Christian or a Kirsten a Christian I [TS]

  have never met any of those Kirsten [TS]

  people even crystals yet probably not [TS]

  many crystals i I've never met a crystal [TS]

  back east [TS]

  you're here when I was in elementary [TS]

  school was like Kirsten here Kristen [TS]

  here Kirsten here curve fortran I mean [TS]

  the question every single person every [TS]

  single vowel combinations you can have [TS]

  with a que andar rishton people name [TS]

  their kids out here and i have now and I [TS]

  you when you're in a room with like at [TS]

  like four of them [TS]

  it's easy to get confused it's easy to [TS]

  get jumbled up and Kirsten's really hard [TS]

  because it looks like Kirsten but if you [TS]

  pronounced that wrong they get fucking [TS]

  yeah I've massacres against Pearson and [TS]

  I just want to say that you name is [TS]

  destiny [TS]

  I never met Kristin was a little pissed [TS]

  you know what I've never met Kristin his [TS]

  father wasn't a dentist [TS]

  i'm going to call that Roderick's [TS]

  heuristic you feel like that's backwards [TS]

  compatible like when you meet somebody [TS]

  who is a dentist that has a doctor or [TS]

  dentist has a dot is a pretty good [TS]

  chance pretty good chance her name's [TS]

  Kirsten I'm gonna test that I think that [TS]

  our priority John that fuckin makes [TS]

  sense to me around nine days leave it i [TS]

  believe it [TS]

  huh anyway that's not a great i think [TS]

  that might be geographically determined [TS]

  to i think it's i think it could it [TS]

  could just be like west of the Rockies [TS]

  yeah that's weird there's a lot of [TS]

  crystals and I don't know what got me [TS]

  was close to make of your dentist your [TS]

  daughter's name is Sarah oh yeah eastern [TS]

  seaboard right eastern seaboard Sarah [TS]

  with an H Sarah with an H you know how [TS]

  do you feel about Sarah with no h well i [TS]

  think thats Sarah o2 sets that required [TS]

  I critical i'm not sure i knew a girl [TS]

  named sorrow and that's how she spelt it [TS]

  is a terrible terrible name [TS]

  she was sorrow was from the the the [TS]

  indian subcontinent me and maybe you [TS]

  know can I say saara to me that sounds [TS]

  like military dad that sounds like she [TS]

  had she was Sarah and just a fucking [TS]

  pissed off the colonel she changed it to [TS]

  sorrow [TS]

  sorry that was my mother's name you [TS]

  bitch don't think I I in this witness [TS]

  one instance I think that sorrow might [TS]

  actually be one of the one of the [TS]

  Pantheon 400 gods that live in the in [TS]

  the in Kashmir are we living in [TS]

  direction where you're going to [TS]

  apologize for these kinds of things i [TS]

  don't know i have yet to apologize for [TS]

  anything in my life well let's just hope [TS]

  nothing you know what I hate it was late [TS]

  eighties early nineties continue for [TS]

  awhile and the words up Bell tones and [TS]

  also the Jayden's and kadens and kayla's [TS]

  cadence then you know it all sounds like [TS]

  Jerry Lewis name's Jaden Kayla maybe you [TS]

  know maybe pretty name for a girl maiden [TS]

  yeah they're gonna know but it's a [TS]

  little jewy so it'd be like maad ' n [TS]

  like maiden pretty except when you write [TS]

  it you have to you have to cross out the [TS]

  two middle letters em apostrophe [TS]

  apostrophe apostrophe and 0 because that [TS]

  would be blasphemous yeah [TS]

  oh man will become beasts it would be [TS]

  kind of you know what that's rough [TS]

  the the teller that I like my bank has a [TS]

  Greek name didn't I mean it's like [TS]

  continued on next nameplate her name is [TS]

  really its I don't want to you know talk [TS]

  about a school but the castle Alexis I [TS]

  think that's a Santana record now it's [TS]

  like popolo surprises it's a joke it's a [TS]

  it sounds like somewhere between [TS]

  somebody from from Crete and maybe a [TS]

  Lewis Carroll character [TS]

  yeah it's like those romanian names that [TS]

  are like how talk take to her [TS]

  trent 006 sent me hi I've always been a [TS]

  fan of that one [TS]

  Jane Sarah okay so Sarah alright i'm [TS]

  writing does Sarah okay and I think [TS]

  we've met this before I don't I was that [TS]

  no wait no that was don't tell me that [TS]

  was not starship that was flip4mac no [TS]

  not Fleetwood Mac yeah there is a [TS]

  starship one that I think starship does [TS]

  do Sara Sara smile bottom notes moment [TS]

  you get Sarah which is I think of [TS]

  fleetwood mac song i'm wondering i don't [TS]

  think we would make to sarah doing this [TS]

  shit yeah i'm using the internet man yet [TS]

  not quite keyboard jefferson starship [TS]

  has a song called Sarah and its belt sa [TS]

  RA I think it's sung by that went down [TS]

  on you guy is Marty Marty balan went [TS]

  down on you [TS]

  that's how he wants to be that's it [TS]

  that's his epitaph in your world can't [TS]

  believe that song out on you [TS]

  well can you believe that song ever [TS]

  fucking made it on the radio remember [TS]

  it's not like most innocent didn't I got [TS]

  a taste of the real world when i went [TS]

  down on you girl [TS]

  yeah miracles and you believe like a [TS]

  little baby like that rate to women is [TS]

  that the same song got it takes to the [TS]

  real world when i went down on you girl [TS]

  I wasn't listening google it google it [TS]

  that's a but that is a wonderful song [TS]

  though it's pretty good song [TS]

  I didn't know at first I didn't [TS]

  recognize the version you can i think [TS]

  paul kantner it's got a feeling seems [TS]

  like seems like a man ray manzarek go [TS]

  somewhere and never stop talking right i [TS]

  mean i want to go for a long time when I [TS]

  saw a picture of paul kantner I thought [TS]

  it was Ray Manzarek and vice versa [TS]

  it might be a Clark Kent type situation [TS]

  i have a very very hard time really [TS]

  grasping the whole Jefferson Airplane [TS]

  arc I'm gonna need a new stack from [TS]

  beginning to end [TS]

  friend friend after Hitler and stuff and [TS]

  whatever the follow-up is learn foucault [TS]

  and stuff [TS]

  oh yeah I saw that so what I want to do [TS]

  for food and stuff [TS]

  I just know the names that means no way [TS]

  now see the panopticon guy I mean apart [TS]

  from the guy who came up who came up [TS]

  with an uptick on that's a look at the [TS]

  English for line or something against [TS]

  time [TS]

  oh no it was you're right it was a it [TS]

  was like a hobbit blocked and buried and [TS]

  that's the guy who's in the booth your [TS]

  senior jeremy bentham body you ever seen [TS]

  that you've been body [TS]

  Jeremy Jeremy Jeremy he said to his body [TS]

  is right i mean three bedrooms body [TS]

  that's what I should have named my [TS]

  daughter but the hyphenated hyphenated [TS]

  I'm really having some second one of [TS]

  those terrible names like Sinjin Winston [TS]

  on pocket pot or whatever [TS]

  ok no good now you listen I don't want [TS]

  is an internet thing because I i know [TS]

  that we don't want this to be an [TS]

  Internet to meet we do me a favor and [TS]

  you please google jeremy bentham [TS]

  box let's try that error me I learned [TS]

  this from the book of lists [TS]

  yeah we're coming hours ron jeremy been [TS]

  some box and maybe hit images i should [TS]

  not have named my daughter that haha ah [TS]

  images i use your picture guy with a hat [TS]

  box [TS]

  oh yeah it's not i had it's a hole is a [TS]

  hole man [TS]

  no it's a home and he's gotta stick [TS]

  memory serves he does he has a stick him [TS]

  it's sticking out in between his legs [TS]

  and it looks like a wood PP doesn't look [TS]

  a little like a dunking booth like if [TS]

  you're just feeling like somebody hit [TS]

  the clown and he fell in [TS]

  is that really jeremy bentham over with [TS]

  jeremy bentham I think the I think that [TS]

  he was I think they brought it to [TS]

  meetings I think they have him sit at [TS]

  the head of the table of meetings I [TS]

  don't know a lot about journey about the [TS]

  mall be honest [TS]

  Wow look at that he'll he's got a tan [TS]

  memory serves you know what I'm [TS]

  mummification job was botched and [TS]

  Bentham said came out looking like a [TS]

  dried prune yeah this is why you [TS]

  shouldn't buy on price [TS]

  Oh acts replacement was created let's [TS]

  fuck that this was balanced on top of a [TS]

  body made from some of Bentham's clothes [TS]

  stuff with dry straw so I'm not sure [TS]

  that's gotta be the 19th century John [TS]

  let's not make any sense of don't think [TS]

  that's really jeremy bentham's body I [TS]

  think it's perfect [TS]

  your parent gets a wax head on top of [TS]

  the body stuff was strong barely [TS]

  modified that was initially displayed on [TS]

  the floor between speech it's locked [TS]

  away everything subject to a few too [TS]

  many student pranks and all right boys [TS]

  boys who dont at the litigants let who [TS]

  is holding bedrooms head now [TS]

  um yeah the school cormorant point [TS]

  that's that's a shame that's a shame now [TS]

  is he one of those guys like locking [TS]

  Barkley and all that sparkly Scottish I [TS]

  don't think he's waxes he Gentry my uh [TS]

  well no the Scottish typically are bent [TS]

  embarrassed said now Barclays the guy [TS]

  with the with the the remember that [TS]

  whole thing was it with lock in those [TS]

  guys with where there was started with a [TS]

  cart with the vision and the lenses and [TS]

  how you see and it got real medieval [TS]

  didn't it but wasn't Barkley really into [TS]

  that Barclays the Monad guy isn't likely [TS]

  the Monad guy and having a stroke [TS]

  / off button [TS]

  micros aunjanue really worried about the [TS]

  pudding opticon no no no [TS]

  shouldn't we should circle back to that [TS]

  because that's the color right info pick [TS]

  that up [TS]

  I'm punishing on punishment was a call [TS]

  by jailing what's a call certainly yeah [TS]

  punishing punishment is that Jenna who [TS]

  is that gentleman i really feel because [TS]

  we feel like this is this is starting to [TS]

  the wheels are starting to come off this [TS]

  way John every nickel of my liberal arts [TS]

  education as well spent part of the guy [TS]

  with lenses he's not the guy that had [TS]

  his crime and crime and grow French [TS]

  crunchiness pumpkin punctuality [TS]

  I just I just been I just been a very [TS]

  frustrating day yesterday arguing with [TS]

  everybody on the internet and just saw [TS]

  your fake quotes no no not the fake ones [TS]

  we were getting mad that day i love the [TS]

  fake quotes don't know the big quotes [TS]

  there was a fun day [TS]

  ok now that and I wasn't really even mad [TS]

  yesterday was just one of those things [TS]

  where you're fielding replies from 50 [TS]

  people and everybody it [TS]

  everybody's got to be in their best plan [TS]

  falls apart John yeah and they're said [TS]

  there was some kid who was just like [TS]

  well you've obviously never read [TS]

  Foucault I just I feel like what i [TS]

  should do in those situations just [TS]

  blocked the person instantly you just no [TS]

  no you should spend the day find out [TS]

  where he is [TS]

  well what social teaching a little bit [TS]

  about the fucking pendulum but i always [TS]

  make the mistake of of writing them and [TS]

  saying listen it's routed to assume [TS]

  about other people what they have read [TS]

  it is rude to assume about grown people [TS]

  what their education is you need to [TS]

  check yourself before you say things [TS]

  like that to people that you don't know [TS]

  and he you know he writes back goes well [TS]

  i just it was obvious the bubble and I'm [TS]

  like no no hear your e and and so I [TS]

  wasted a basically I wish on highways 10 [TS]

  always 10 milligrams of my brain sauce [TS]

  we had said its education meets team [TS]

  that's hardly trying to put push back [TS]

  against this kid like the problem now we [TS]

  are not we are no longer discussing [TS]

  Foucault what we are discussing now [TS]

  is that you think you need to you need [TS]

  to go back and sit in your chair and [TS]

  think about what you think [TS]

  let me rephrase refrain that's what he [TS]

  hit and it's very very hard it's very [TS]

  hard for me that I can't actually [TS]

  physically grabbed the person and sit [TS]

  them down and saying we are not talking [TS]

  now about asian vs oriental we're [TS]

  talking about here to about you and the [TS]

  things you have done in life that are [TS]

  wrong [TS]

  how do you respond to that like every [TS]

  undergraduate in the world just take me [TS]

  mean no no bladder blather blather [TS]

  blather blather blather [TS]

  yeah so it's a protected takes me a [TS]

  takes me a day or two to recover from [TS]

  some of those encounters that's hard as [TS]

  you get older that takes longer it's [TS]

  like you know it's like we have to bend [TS]

  over and take a day [TS]

  yeah right out the other day god i was [TS]

  walking along and I was like I'm winded [TS]

  I'm genuinely winded I'm confident we [TS]

  can get a story winded I'm winded [TS]

  what if what happened to me yeah I used [TS]

  to be able to uh I used to be able to [TS]

  run up 80 flights of stairs carrying a [TS]

  carrying a person that has asphyxiated [TS]

  it's like the opposite of rescuing [TS]

  somebody yeah take them up take a look [TS]

  this is under you need to learn there's [TS]

  no those fresh air pie [TS]

  oh that's get some smoke rises house [TS]

  before nine eleven this was the logic [TS]

  yeah everything's changed [TS]

  yeah so but now i'm just walking down [TS]

  the street I i was carrying like a bag [TS]

  of groceries are Mike what happened in [TS]

  the amount of oxygen [TS]

  I just don't I just just close the [TS]

  thread on Bentham I don't mean that I [TS]

  don't want to preemptively do this [TS]

  I'm just reviewing his page on wikipedia [TS]

  which is an internet site not he's [TS]

  considered a thinker on the subject of [TS]

  hedonism he's best known for the [TS]

  greatest happiness principle according [TS]

  to which I want to learn more about [TS]

  which sounds that BS the peg last thing [TS]

  you read that with the Voltaire the [TS]

  Pangloss and any and apparently a psycho [TS]

  I this is made up word i think a psycho [TS]

  biographical study takes into account [TS]

  Bentham sex interesting egocentricity [TS]

  obsessive and narrow preoccupations are [TS]

  you listening and apparently diminished [TS]

  imaginative and emotional capacity [TS]

  including may have Asperger's syndrome [TS]

  well that's the future syndrome so he'd [TS]

  fit right in today you know he's a [TS]

  handsome guy I think it's time for a [TS]

  little Franklin things go physically [TS]

  sore [TS]

  frankly but he's got a he's got a [TS]

  protruding lower jaw that I find [TS]

  distinguish like an underbite amit well [TS]

  yeah as long as for you like another [TS]

  point [TS]

  speaking of someone who has a little bit [TS]

  of a little bit of an overbite season 1i [TS]

  have have some kind of but I think you [TS]

  gotta buy yeah i think freddie mercury [TS]

  hanover but I think you might have an [TS]

  underbite maybe I have an under my lady [TS]

  and I remember which felt that we should [TS]

  all know I do i do everything I think [TS]

  everybody gets talked about it [TS]

  yeah i think if he cut two inches off [TS]

  that hair he look a lot better than a [TS]

  lot more slender but that's the thing [TS]

  that's the thing with something about [TS]

  style how you decide how to decide in he [TS]

  died in 1832 so that was the 19th [TS]

  century of course as the 19th century [TS]

  could fuck up a wet dream [TS]

  they taught me so much in a really [TS]

  became problematic why they do it in the [TS]

  new quite a bit not as much as that is [TS]

  the 18th century you think that between [TS]

  the 18th century the 19th century some [TS]

  knowledge was lost used to tell me that [TS]

  can't happen the knowledge got lost in [TS]

  the same the that library in Alexandria [TS]

  Virginia burn down [TS]

  mhm thanks but you follow my train of [TS]

  thought on this why do but I feel like [TS]

  what happened I feel like the 18th [TS]

  century was a time when people furthered [TS]

  considerable made considerable progress [TS]

  in in terms of like ideal idealized [TS]

  knowledge everybody was you know kind of [TS]

  and putting a new putting theories [TS]

  initially into practice them everything [TS]

  fresh raw fresh yeah it was all fresh in [TS]

  the 19th century everybody I mean there [TS]

  was a lot of dealing with the fallout [TS]

  and the consequences of taking your [TS]

  philosophy and building a government [TS]

  around it and they got commercialized oh [TS]

  well then of course the ads yeah dad's [TS]

  really well he had covered a lot of [TS]

  ground I at some point and maybe not [TS]

  today at the circle back to [TS]

  utilitarianism these Ivy also the source [TS]

  of where you're nice to people for no [TS]

  reason so-called when your sadhana now [TS]

  when I what was that thing we go [TS]

  you got any more notes [TS]

  I'm just you know what I do I can't get [TS]

  any more notes I've got any more notes I [TS]

  think he's given up i keep a little snot [TS]

  in the back of my throat now so that [TS]

  when you start talking about like like [TS]

  18th century possibly i just do i get to [TS]

  suck a little pieces not back in really [TS]

  well it's clear to me that you've never [TS]

  read the wealth of nations ah you know [TS]

  it's funny it's like essay question guy [TS]

  right it'sit's like i have prepared this [TS]

  one thing it's a little bit Ignatius [TS]

  Riley like you've got this one reference [TS]

  like the one looky you've been holding [TS]

  in your throat it's the one in the [TS]

  chamber [TS]

  no I'm saying have you been written on [TS]

  your big chief tablet that you read that [TS]

  book [TS]

  oh no that's my favorite novels I told [TS]

  you this didn't either when I first [TS]

  moved to Seattle my I had my name in the [TS]

  phone book as John Ignatius robbery [TS]

  are you kidding now I was so proud every [TS]

  time I looked out i mean i was the only [TS]

  one that ever looked myself up in the [TS]

  phone book a time but there was my name [TS]

  John Ignatius Roderick oh you know I [TS]

  gotta tell you I like your middle name [TS]

  I i like your middle name right now a [TS]

  lot of Ignatius is good [TS]

  Ignatius is good coffee I are so bad [TS]

  that I didn't have my daughter that [TS]

  Ignatius Ignatius Ignatius j Roderick [TS]

  also what I was trying to think of how [TS]

  we do things just because for no reason [TS]

  for I said what's called cut all this [TS]

  out amore [TS]

  yeah it's called the country altruism [TS]

  altruism naturalism is that different [TS]

  from utilitarianism yes it's about [TS]

  utilitarianism is is the thing that's [TS]

  going to be the most good for the most [TS]

  people is that is that a thumbnail [TS]

  sketch [TS]

  yeah basically ok it's kind of boring [TS]

  anyway jeremy bentham he know he [TS]

  actually if he had a little less here in [TS]

  the back you look a lot like Alfred [TS]

  Hitchcock interesting how do you decide [TS]

  when to let your hair stop growing in [TS]

  the late 18th century I think you just [TS]

  let it keep growing [TS]

  the question for me is how at what point [TS]

  see this is that it's the beard question [TS]

  that keeps coming and going like we're [TS]

  obviously entering them entering a [TS]

  bearded face so it's it's it's going to [TS]

  be that this is the Gilded Age of beards [TS]

  yeah and and the last time we really [TS]

  properly had one of these was the late [TS]

  19th century at you know like oh you [TS]

  mean the really ambitious beers were [TS]

  happening from 1870s I'm not [TS]

  and shave and go see Bobby Kennedy you [TS]

  mean seriously like let it go and yeah [TS]

  like a winning maybe role of women from [TS]

  1862 not to basically 1900 big big big [TS]

  beards she could I wish I don't like PBS [TS]

  I really wish you had something [TS]

  regularly on PBS [TS]

  I don't care what I don't fucking care [TS]

  what it is I don't even care of it as a [TS]

  nap on the on the iphone store i want [TS]

  you to do something on PBS where you sit [TS]

  in a chair and explain things well I [TS]

  could do a similar chair and then you [TS]

  could be offstage reading off of [TS]

  Wikipedia going well what's altruism and [TS]

  I'm like well and then you move on to [TS]

  the next [TS]

  well obviously you've never read cyrano [TS]

  de bergerac I what kind of dad what [TS]

  about you can again we're covering a lot [TS]

  of ground and homey [TS]

  damn i'm just gonna call you Dan the day [TS]

  I got the thing i wrote down want to [TS]

  call talk about the different John's I'm [TS]

  very intrigued by the different jobs now [TS]

  one thing on my way to pick up my thai [TS]

  food [TS]

  I don't think pong but I the end you [TS]

  know a lot of places [TS]

  oh yeah and you know we gotta come back [TS]

  to is a cleanliness Italian and noise in [TS]

  the background I really that's that's [TS]

  important and I think you can help [TS]

  people with that it was one of these [TS]

  shows and it used to be you know you had [TS]

  the american idol and you could always [TS]

  tell because that cocksucker was always [TS]

  on it [TS]

  announcement ok and the thing was now [TS]

  here's the thing with the shows they get [TS]

  sponsored which is fine but then they [TS]

  always have a diet coke for a while I [TS]

  think they have a can or a bottle of [TS]

  diet coke and that wasn't enough so then [TS]

  they got the original desk [TS]

  oh yeah face let go out go out and looks [TS]

  like they're enjoying a drink while [TS]

  they're judging people [TS]

  so you know as you do and and then I [TS]

  think it became a larger and larger [TS]

  until you have a big gulp style terrine [TS]

  and this one that I saw I think was [TS]

  Howard Stern he had shorter hair looks a [TS]

  lot older so i assume is Howard Stern [TS]

  had this creepy Joey Ramone glasses [TS]

  that's gonna be Howard Stern right [TS]

  probably program is hard to be hard to [TS]

  is the mistake for anybody other than [TS]

  join the sound [TS]

  yeah we have a relative who has that has [TS]

  that the german thing [TS]

  oh yeah yeah yeah like nervous Rondo [TS]

  Hatton thing but you know the thing [TS]

  we're part of your body keep growing [TS]

  yeah it's so it's called you know Rondo [TS]

  Hatton had it [TS]

  yeah it's it's the weekend just go [TS]

  special attention of wikipedia what is [TS]

  entitilitus [TS]

  it's it's not elephantitis it's a it's [TS]

  always about you as soon as we can [TS]

  yes Abe Lincoln disease your game you [TS]

  save the country that's totally it [TS]

  around my eyes too far as i know he's [TS]

  not gay but no that's a problem at home [TS]

  that's totally different under the giant [TS]

  hand right I think so yeah that's that's [TS]

  that's giantism and that's different for [TS]

  the tip that's that's totally different [TS]

  John that's it that's the three [TS]

  different from andre previn yeah okay [TS]

  and he's the bad guy was with the lady [TS]

  that had the problem with the hair kinda [TS]

  looked like Joey Ramone fat factory [TS]

  remote that's a remote area of said [TS]

  everything to timesthat on banjo and [TS]

  then there's other children and there's [TS]

  another jelly and there's a Joey Bella [TS]

  okay god I don't you call me god damn it [TS]

  wish lowercase G you're in the pantheon [TS]

  but not by much on boy i'm outside the [TS]

  pantheon you're standing outside the [TS]

  pantheon elevated my fingernails with [TS]

  the wrong a chair through the window and [TS]

  setting the place on fire [TS]

  my daughter says that now sometimes [TS]

  sometimes you just gotta burn the [TS]

  building down [TS]

  yeah that's gonna get this one to watch [TS]

  the world burn [TS]

  what's that from that's another movie [TS]

  quote I don't know that one [TS]

  okay okay here's the thing i don't [TS]

  overextend this I think Hitler and stuff [TS]

  has got to happen but I don't know I [TS]

  just feel like there's a whole lot of [TS]

  brand extensions we can do if we quit if [TS]

  we had jobs we should quit them we [TS]

  should get jobs and quit them and then [TS]

  we should all right quit my job I hereby [TS]

  quit my job [TS]

  okay you know what I will too I'm gonna [TS]

  put on notice in today my boss is an [TS]

  asshole [TS]

  I'm Bentham TV for lonely people dental [TS]

  oh and so anyway the point is on howard [TS]

  stern show that was needed thank Christ [TS]

  everybody had a giant terrine with snap [TS]

  all on the front of it you can things [TS]

  obviously you know if you watch somebody [TS]

  drink a drink you for watching like a [TS]

  commercial when somebody eats a [TS]

  hamburger with two fingers [TS]

  you don't mean like over-the-top and the [TS]

  haha and the other thing and it's like [TS]

  to display the burger nobody fucking [TS]

  eats like that nobody has a giant screen [TS]

  a snapple with the logo out [TS]

  well it's like that it's like I was [TS]

  talking about that that add that used to [TS]

  run for the hot tub place here in [TS]

  Seattle with him that was called tubs [TS]

  where you go and like rent hot tub for [TS]

  an hour with your friends [TS]

  and let the advertisement that I had for [TS]

  this place was a girl in a bikini [TS]

  standing waist-deep in a hot tub and it [TS]

  right by Wright and are in one hand she [TS]

  was drinking like a like a martini glass [TS]

  style cocktail and she was using the [TS]

  other hand to sensuously brush back her [TS]

  hair and I realized a long time ago you [TS]

  couldn't do both things I'm it's [TS]

  bubbling water in a bubbling hot liquid [TS]

  shots jacuzzi shots to find out you can [TS]

  see brand shot is a bubbling hot tub [TS]

  that that 25 other people had used that [TS]

  day [TS]

  okay I'm gonna come back to that I'm [TS]

  sure we talked about the we talked about [TS]

  the shoot was she wearing a two-piece it [TS]

  was a two-piece you know I'm afraid I'm [TS]

  afraid that this may be the first [TS]

  instance of us actually repeating [TS]

  ourselves in Iraq and I do it came from [TS]

  me no you don't repeat yourself a lot [TS]

  what are you talking about what if i [TS]

  said that i ever said before you don't [TS]

  know I've repeated myself you don't you [TS]

  are so i wasn't sure i don't listen to [TS]

  the podcast so what I've told stories [TS]

  that I told multiple times you get [TS]

  around me my god i'm embarrassed about [TS]

  this now I morning about you know my dad [TS]

  told the series dairy stuff nothing but [TS]

  my dad told the same story every day for [TS]

  40 years and that's wrong how I don't [TS]

  know you got some really good stories [TS]

  did amazing things John is like I've [TS]

  learned well not days like today but [TS]

  sometimes I just get out of your way i [TS]

  learn the cues that mean you're about to [TS]

  tell one of your great stories and I try [TS]

  to get out of the way I think today [TS]

  we're doing a lot of a lot of [TS]

  philosophical clean up well we're doing [TS]

  something I feel like we're sweeping [TS]

  where who are sweeping words around a [TS]

  big auditorium in that case i will [TS]

  quickly get this out of the way this [TS]

  comes with Italian dry salami dry cop [TS]

  prosciutto and black pepper coated [TS]

  Italian dry salami [TS]

  so you get with without the pepper and [TS]

  the problem is for my daughter [TS]

  standpoint the pepper getting any [TS]

  readings and the salami was dr pepper [TS]

  cured salami black pepper code Italian [TS]

  dry salami is one of the ingredients in [TS]

  the salami [TS]

  I'm sorry the bullets on the front and [TS]

  check the palace I think he's got oh my [TS]

  goodness there's a lot of ingredients on [TS]

  you know there are my goodness well the [TS]

  first green all there is pouring out the [TS]

  big those pituitary gland soft by [TS]

  dipping them in forever change how much [TS]

  I hate things that are named with the [TS]

  series of nouns I don't like that I [TS]

  don't trust that like the idea of [TS]

  something called poor [TS]

  shoulder but haha really i don't think [TS]

  you can have port for always the butt of [TS]

  the pork shoulder [TS]

  see now we're overthinking that here's [TS]

  the problem i don't travel as much as I [TS]

  used to but it's used to be almost [TS]

  exclusively a problem of travel and [TS]

  sports bars but i think its extended arm [TS]

  i well it's not because sports bars have [TS]

  now morphed into all those airport Irish [TS]

  bars [TS]

  yeah kinda Connors that punching [TS]

  punching tits yeah inviting my yard of [TS]

  beer [TS]

  I i well I wanted to us I wanted to a [TS]

  sports bar the other day in an airport [TS]

  somewhere and it was they were playing [TS]

  the guy it was like themed it wasn't [TS]

  just the guy was playing his mixtape but [TS]

  it was a sports bar but it was themed [TS]

  somehow so that they were playing live [TS]

  recordings of blues classics but not [TS]

  blues classics by the original blues [TS]

  artists but blues classics by counting [TS]

  crows covering son house [TS]

  eric clapton live in the eighties [TS]

  followed by BB king live in the eighties [TS]

  followed by George Thorogood now Katie's [TS]

  honors thought it was the music was it [TS]

  was all live takes of life that's when [TS]

  just said she was pretending it was like [TS]

  my right down the crapper or its little [TS]

  it was so awful it actually was curdling [TS]

  milk I i asked for cream and curdled I [TS]

  ask for another one curled in the way [TS]

  that it that we have to get out of here [TS]

  I'm not gonna come not gonna ruin three [TS]

  cups of coffee tell me this tell me this [TS]

  resonates though because I mean I I [TS]

  always felt this was something [TS]

  well you know let's say it started with [TS]

  the sports bars probably but i think men [TS]

  in particular are very lonely and I [TS]

  think when you go to somebody's house [TS]

  and having a nice conversation and [TS]

  nobody thinks to turn off the fucking [TS]

  television [TS]

  I think it's because people are lonely [TS]

  and they like to have a little voice [TS]

  near them and I think when men go to [TS]

  airports just drives me crazy because no [TS]

  matter where you sit in an airport there [TS]

  are many many voices apart from the ones [TS]

  in my head [TS]

  which is first of all there's the [TS]

  pointless tsa warnings the drone on [TS]

  right behind her back or front of a kind [TS]

  of all you know and you wouldn't know if [TS]

  there's a bomb in the fucking place [TS]

  because there's all this chatter and [TS]

  then CNN thing and admits the bombs [TS]

  themselves are whispering I'm a bomb I'm [TS]

  a bomb if you listen carefully you can [TS]

  hear if you can hear it over Anderson [TS]

  Cooper I just a lot of Allah and then [TS]

  you go so what do you do in my case on [TS]

  girl found 10 desert island ever notice [TS]

  sunday night sunday nights or when they [TS]

  get a lot of the dead lady stories i [TS]

  think sunday is a slow news day and I've [TS]

  noticed on news sites that's when they [TS]

  pull out a lot of the dead people [TS]

  stories just watch for it [TS]

  I don't need to know I'm just saying [TS]

  lump in and out there i don't watch the [TS]

  to be so then i'll drop 50 bucks because [TS]

  I want to get away from the din and i'll [TS]

  go into i'll pay to go because I'm not [TS]

  like a sandwich bar well-known have a [TS]

  cover charge but if i want to go to the [TS]

  Lambs right [TS]

  oh I don't mind right fancy guy like [TS]

  find solace sometimes I got the miles [TS]

  and these days not as much but I'll say [TS]

  you know what I'm willing I've got a [TS]

  two-hour wait i would like to go [TS]

  somewhere and have a beverage and sit [TS]

  down and listen to my room where there's [TS]

  a banana in a bowl [TS]

  yeah and there's like six people sitting [TS]

  with laptops on their last didn't used [TS]

  to be nicer in those and it's like hey [TS]

  there's a banana the ball anybody can [TS]

  meet that you know what's in there [TS]

  there are screens and screens and [TS]

  screens even in the quiet room there's [TS]

  screens and his people screaming into [TS]

  the phone you just pee there's no quiet [TS]

  in public anymore I know I talk a lot [TS]

  but when i'm in public i'm very quiet [TS]

  and it's maddening to me and I think [TS]

  this is extending to everywhere I think [TS]

  people are lonely and needed in of noise [TS]

  yeah i agree i think that that is the [TS]

  whole business with sports you can sit [TS]

  you can sit alone in your bachelor [TS]

  apartment and listen to people yelling [TS]

  and yell at them yourself and that's [TS]

  like sports TV or sports radio you get [TS]

  to yell at the thing and they're yelling [TS]

  and it feels like you're in a big [TS]

  boisterous room full of people and you [TS]

  can talk about next to nothing and you [TS]

  don't mind dying about that guy having [TS]

  having having ever know the thing about [TS]

  that guy's got athleticism really the [TS]

  professional athlete has athleticism and [TS]

  I really it's going to be a question of [TS]

  whoever but some of the smartest points [TS]

  on the board [TS]

  well this is the thing this is the [TS]

  problem and hate your enemy sports [TS]

  Johnny hate sports culture and it makes [TS]

  me angry you do sports culture something [TS]

  might be clear my daughter play soccer I [TS]

  like soccer [TS]

  I'm angry about sports culture it's a [TS]

  it's the rare person that hates actual [TS]

  sport [TS]

  yeah it's it's sports culture that [TS]

  people hate absolutely true but i have [TS]

  no idea where I'm going I'm sorry I like [TS]

  bugs me that bugs me i don't think i [TS]

  should have to be the weirdo are you [TS]

  kidding me you live on the internet [TS]

  everybody on the internet hate sports [TS]

  relationship for the sports corner of [TS]

  the internet but I can't go to any place [TS]

  in public now because I even the lobbies [TS]

  of hotels the lobbies of office [TS]

  buildings have TVs big TVs that are [TS]

  yelling at you about the new dead girl [TS]

  they found on the on the pacific [TS]

  islander they're yelling at you about [TS]

  the about the car chase that's happening [TS]

  like it's happening it's it's really [TS]

  Minority Report like that's third movie [TS]

  reference leaves a quote but the third [TS]

  movie reference of this podcast with TVs [TS]

  yelling at me everywhere I go I don't [TS]

  want to i don't iike it said this is [TS]

  worse or the same but like the one the [TS]

  one that really really gets under my [TS]

  skin because it's so visually and [TS]

  aurally cluttered is whatever i don't [TS]

  know i guess like CNBC but somewhere [TS]

  screaming about finance about a story [TS]

  that's still emerging it's not like [TS]

  anybody's ever done any actual research [TS]

  they're standing somewhere about goes [TS]

  ding-ding-ding and people invest in [TS]

  running around and acting like that some [TS]

  kind of reporting you know and I I don't [TS]

  smoke but if you go to the kind of place [TS]

  where people smoke in a room there will [TS]

  always be something on about the sports [TS]

  or there will be something on about the [TS]

  finance and then people will talk about [TS]

  the finance and nothing is worse than [TS]

  hearing people watch a financial [TS]

  financial show and talk about fun [TS]

  I don't know if I feel worse would you [TS]

  like to hear me talk about finance for [TS]

  an hour I would absolutely what you want [TS]

  else you've been through the process [TS]

  let's write that on another card that'll [TS]

  be another podcast these guys are [TS]

  talking about shorting and commodities [TS]

  they don't know what the fuck you're [TS]

  talking about [TS]

  they're watching a TV show and that's [TS]

  how they decide to spend their money [TS]

  like how is that better than infomercial [TS]

  when I when I was getting my house [TS]

  mortgaged I don't then I for a while I [TS]

  was talking about getting a remortgage [TS]

  right and I start talking to this broker [TS]

  and this guy he's a real personable guy [TS]

  he's a guy that I like instinctively [TS]

  right away felt like oh this is a guy my [TS]

  age who can [TS]

  he's he's finally a guy in the financial [TS]

  sector who just wants to talk like a guy [TS]

  and he wants to break it down real [TS]

  simple [TS]

  here's how it's gonna go and so we [TS]

  started talking and we kind of had a we [TS]

  had a very good report i was the [TS]

  government refinance my house with this [TS]

  guy and then at one point I asked a [TS]

  question about it some Arcana in the you [TS]

  know in the way the mortgage has been [TS]

  calculated and he went from being this [TS]

  normal guy that I was enjoying very much [TS]

  that i felt like if i went and got beers [TS]

  with guys i would go get a beer with [TS]

  this guy right and he he just turned on [TS]

  a dime and became this row robot talk [TS]

  monster [TS]

  I'm just like well what happens is what [TS]

  everybody Robert bit and he starts [TS]

  talking in this this this like financial [TS]

  TV reporter voice and trying to he was [TS]

  not trying to explain anymore [TS]

  what what I you know that he was not [TS]

  trying to explain it in human language [TS]

  what he was doing with my mortgage gray [TS]

  he was trying to bully me into into [TS]

  saying never mind he's trying to bully [TS]

  me into saying like okay thank you very [TS]

  much i got it now and he was trying to [TS]

  do that to to mask the fact that he [TS]

  didn't understand it right and he had [TS]

  all he had all this tremendous this [TS]

  verbiage that he was just she was gonna [TS]

  spew at me until I went right right okay [TS]

  thank you is like a smokescreen it [TS]

  wasn't a smokescreen because i did not [TS]

  get the sense because I because I went [TS]

  through this a couple times because i [TS]

  wanted to make sure like that i talked [TS]

  to him a couple days later and i asked [TS]

  him the same question I got the same [TS]

  response and I did not get the sense [TS]

  that it was a smokescreen because he was [TS]

  trying to conceal something on there is [TS]

  something in ethical or that he was [TS]

  trying to he was trying to pull a fast [TS]

  one who as much as he didn't understand [TS]

  how it worked either and he was now he [TS]

  had reached the threshold had reached [TS]

  the point of his own ignorance and now [TS]

  he was just gonna spew what he'd been [TS]

  talks in business school or what he'd [TS]

  been taught at the mortgage seminar [TS]

  where he learned his trade he just [TS]

  started spewing this this litany at me [TS]

  it and any was hoping that it would that [TS]

  would fool me as it had fooled him as it [TS]

  has probably fooled his boss right like [TS]

  that he was hoping it would sound [TS]

  reasonable and i would get tired of that [TS]

  and I think he was I think he did not [TS]

  see the logical inconsistencies and what [TS]

  he was saying and he did he was not [TS]

  aware that I was noticing them and [TS]

  saying like what wait a minute will want [TS]

  what [TS]

  now wait a minute that does actually now [TS]

  you're that's not how you use a [TS]

  gentleman maybe when he goes into that [TS]

  mode he even stops noticing like how [TS]

  little sense he makes a stop the reading [TS]

  and the kickers little ass p and she was [TS]

  reading emotions yeah exactly exactly [TS]

  and I get that I get that sense whenever [TS]

  whenever I'm dealing with [TS]

  well whatever i'm doing with [TS]

  functionaries are people at the mid [TS]

  level of any kind of technical [TS]

  discipline they reached the point where [TS]

  they can no longer at answer they can no [TS]

  longer answer questions from it from a [TS]

  from a layman who is paying attention [TS]

  because as a Raymond the technical the [TS]

  you know the jargon it's charging the [TS]

  technical jargon or the technical [TS]

  explosion of language is not interesting [TS]

  you're following the big picture and you [TS]

  want to know the answer to the next big [TS]

  picture question and you reach the point [TS]

  where the person that you're talking to [TS]

  just doesn't have that day they have not [TS]

  they don't have a conception of the of [TS]

  the larger structure that what they're [TS]

  doing how it fits into it right and so [TS]

  they just start he just start blathering [TS]

  it's like that that that that's that is [TS]

  one of the main problems with dealing [TS]

  with with the with you know staffers [TS]

  from yeah let's say you go you go all [TS]

  the way up the chain you get to the [TS]

  executive vice president he doesn't know [TS]

  either [TS]

  I'm starting to realize this is dealing [TS]

  with people in corporate in the [TS]

  corporate world a little bit more the [TS]

  vice president actually doesn't know [TS]

  either [TS]

  he just backs up into the mission [TS]

  statement and starts repeating it [TS]

  he doesn't know what they're doing [TS]

  either or how it really fits into the [TS]

  big picture [TS]

  my son has problems problem with jargon [TS]

  in general because I think jargon is [TS]

  like the whatever the black Brooks [TS]

  Brothers suit like it becomes this way [TS]

  of speaking to everybody else in this [TS]

  patois that that eventually can become [TS]

  entirely empty but is very comfortable [TS]

  to everybody and you know there's these [TS]

  two phrases that I joke about a lot and [TS]

  the two phrases are turns out and so and [TS]

  and turns out is a journalist [TS]

  smokescreen because you say turns out as [TS]

  you introduce something that you didn't [TS]

  actually discover but you think sounds [TS]

  contrary to conventional wisdom and [TS]

  therefore you now sound smart right [TS]

  you'll hear this once you start here at [TS]

  here listening for this you turns out [TS]

  you use that a lot in our podcast I you [TS]

  know what I used to say turns out [TS]

  because it became a tick it maybe it's a [TS]

  tick when you said well it turns out [TS]

  it's and then the opposite of what you [TS]

  think i was so worked in that context [TS]

  well I'm ask me a fairly straightforward [TS]

  question about something [TS]

  Merlin how do you feel of the the jets [TS]

  are going to do this season so sports [TS]

  can be complicated to analyze and [TS]

  understand that really ate on any given [TS]

  sunday so i met people that you can ask [TS]

  i think it's like silently i write it as [TS]

  for my little bit tricky character i [TS]

  read it is so period but I think it's [TS]

  really so colon and I think it's a PR [TS]

  move that people have absorbed from [TS]

  hearing other people use it and becomes [TS]

  a way to not answer a question kind of [TS]

  politician thing when you use when you [TS]

  begin the answer to a question your [TS]

  answer your question was so right [TS]

  your-your-your either trying to stall [TS]

  for time to think of an answer or just [TS]

  as often i mean i think that's what [TS]

  happens when you start doing is a tick [TS]

  but but but i think the trick to so is [TS]

  that your answer the question you want [TS]

  to answer instead of plainly answering [TS]

  the very simple fucking question that [TS]

  someone just asked you right and it's a [TS]

  consult II kind of thing to do because [TS]

  consider you know that the consultant [TS]

  people you know you ever hear this quote [TS]

  I I don't love bromides but i think this [TS]

  is kurt vonnegut said this to anybody [TS]

  who can explain what they do for a [TS]

  living to a ten-year-old as a charlatan [TS]

  m which i think is i think that's that's [TS]

  once you think about that [TS]

  oh my god but that is true that's true [TS]

  of eighty percent of our economy now I [TS]

  mean I have this problem all the time [TS]

  asking people what do you do they start [TS]

  to go but [TS]

  I'm in communications yeah and I got no [TS]

  no tell me what you do and and [TS]

  ultimately they don't know they are they [TS]

  do not know it's not that they are it's [TS]

  not that they are it's not that they are [TS]

  they are the charlatan read that they [TS]

  are cog in a Charlotte Charlotte feel [TS]

  there's a terracotta in charlotte anak [TS]

  world where there was nobody knows [TS]

  what's happening is where you and your [TS]

  company if the if your company performs [TS]

  some service for other companies that [TS]

  you can tell me what it is your service [TS]

  provider but there's no your service [TS]

  provider maybe maybe your solution [TS]

  provider and there's 300 people working [TS]

  at that company and you still can't tell [TS]

  me what exactly it does [TS]

  oh my god get out get out now it is true [TS]

  but you know it's it's also on the one [TS]

  hand i get that because I i understand [TS]

  you know i'm a huge fan of you know [TS]

  whether or not you love the music I [TS]

  really like Bob Dylan and I really like [TS]

  Bruce Springsteen from old friends I'm [TS]

  not let me tell you why you see whether [TS]

  or not you love his music I really i [TS]

  gotta say well why I didn't want to get [TS]

  into a thing with you cuz i know you're [TS]

  not a fan of any point i'm a final [TS]

  fantasy Bob ok when i'm a fan actually a [TS]

  fair but it's one thing i like about [TS]

  John Roderick is is this resistance to [TS]

  have you define me [TS]

  I don't like being defined right and so [TS]

  I completely understand the desire to [TS]

  say well no I'm not that thing so you [TS]

  say to somebody [TS]

  well oh so your PR person in like also [TS]

  so basically you work for businesses and [TS]

  you do a certain kind of public [TS]

  messaging through things like press [TS]

  releases that tries to make them look [TS]

  good mostly for free [TS]

  well no actually I'm a communications [TS]

  professional social media uh now this [TS]

  happen to me when they won and why do [TS]

  you use that voice that sounds like the [TS]

  interior decorator in beetlejuice [TS]

  actually I think it's tim gunn from from [TS]

  that from that was called Project Runway [TS]

  health concerns [TS]

  well i have watched that show you're [TS]

  talking to shadow the regal blonde [TS]

  person that helps them with tailored [TS]

  clothes [TS]

  yes very interesting i like that guy [TS]

  like the or could be home count also [TS]

  think it's stupid should narrow like [TS]

  Cupid you're told you're fat will be [TS]

  skinny [TS]

  mama's got video Burger King bathroom [TS]

  but the network MC Blowfish [TS]

  I can't believe you know so many things [TS]

  I mean I know you know stuff from dusty [TS]

  books and no one cares about but me no [TS]

  fuckin happy home [TS]

  no shock g I i know i don't see [TS]

  Christina different don't just know [TS]

  humpty-hump I know every track on that [TS]

  record back are rare bird i love that [TS]

  record [TS]

  oh my gosh we should talk about music on [TS]

  our other show Hitler music Hitler and [TS]

  stuff Hillary music okay to learn [TS]

  Foucault anyway this is boring now so [TS]

  what you know I one of the things I've [TS]

  caught myself saying now I've got I've [TS]

  got a tick a vocal tic for a verbal tic [TS]

  get several you like five [TS]

  no wonder my verbal tics continue come [TS]

  on tell me you can't just say something [TS]

  like that and then walk away in any case [TS]

  do I say in any case that's what don't [TS]

  know i can tell you exactly what in any [TS]

  case means to be in any case means [TS]

  Merlin has finally kind of stopped [TS]

  talking and I would like to continue [TS]

  with my point now where I think you know [TS]

  that something your flowers and boxes [TS]

  and you bring him home when you put them [TS]

  in the window that's the next night and [TS]

  now you know the thing is that you have [TS]

  cut sausage into smaller pieces you can [TS]

  cook it faster [TS]

  well in any case haha [TS]

  in any case one of the things that I [TS]

  have taught myself saying recently is no [TS]

  kidding [TS]

  and I say that as someone is talking to [TS]

  me about stuff and every time they you [TS]

  know every time they're like and then I [TS]

  went to the store when i get it and i [TS]

  get the story there were things for sale [TS]

  are you reading a paper [TS]

  mentally I see reading the paper when [TS]

  you say that no kidding and I caught [TS]

  myself the other day I would I was [TS]

  talking to somebody out in the street [TS]

  and I realized I had said no kidding 45 [TS]

  times [TS]

  yeah in in the space of a 20-minute [TS]

  conversation was like oh my god I gotta [TS]

  stop doing that [TS]

  no kidding guys out of that dozens of [TS]

  this [TS]

  no kidding yeah because you can see a [TS]

  couple of different ways to like huh [TS]

  no kidding I'm and my mine are like you [TS]

  know what is just embarrassing i can't [TS]

  get into it what what what's your worst [TS]

  one right now my worst one right now I i [TS]

  somehow i actually got this from you [TS]

  accidentally you use it sparingly [TS]

  but you took it to a higher lie i use it [TS]

  super often what is it prepending an [TS]

  adjective with super oh that's super [TS]

  annoyed at xiii can tell you where most [TS]

  of my I could tell you where most of my [TS]

  tips have come from and that's from an [TS]

  interview you and I did when you were [TS]

  talking about people not wanting to pay [TS]

  you for shows and I've actually used [TS]

  almost as script almost this exact [TS]

  sentence from you which is I'm super [TS]

  grateful that year that it outta da yeah [TS]

  and I think that's where I got it from [TS]

  and now i can I ipad absorb you know [TS]

  John I'm a liberal artist i absorb its [TS]

  true well and you also you are you're [TS]

  very good at at you know at pulling and [TS]

  pulling the fruit off of things now I'm [TS]

  not just the low-hanging fruit can find [TS]

  that you find the delicious berry that's [TS]

  embedded in the in the the scrum of [TS]

  leaves you pull the berry out in your [TS]

  like see what was there see what was [TS]

  there you didn't see it [TS]

  you saw the scrum of leaves here's the [TS]

  delicious you say i'm going to finger [TS]

  the scrum of leaves to find that nascent [TS]

  Barry that's what I'm saying I'm saying [TS]

  you go face-first such as I just became [TS]

  Gary Snyder you can even fingering the [TS]

  scrum of we your face first to the scrum [TS]

  of leaves [TS]

  thank you basically delicious berry it [TS]

  face first in this kind of leaves [TS]

  wow we got we got a lot open threads is [TS]

  good stuff so you know you're not so r [TS]

  naught a naught comma Connery no I'm [TS]

  going to comic con tomorrow although [TS]

  that has now located this podcast in [TS]

  time and space with that don't know what [TS]

  year [TS]

  don't know what you're you don't get the [TS]

  East Coast West Coast could become [TS]

  conure oh that's true this could be [TS]

  comic-con 2002 everything's changed [TS]

  I'm going tomorrow I I i went to one [TS]

  last year so the the the bloom is off [TS]

  the rose in the sense of like last year [TS]

  I had the pleasant surprise of walking [TS]

  around a giant convention center full of [TS]

  slavery is who and and thinking like [TS]

  this is dumb and then walking into a [TS]

  room that had a hundred million comic [TS]

  books all presided over by like 55 year [TS]

  old guys with the with like George Lucas [TS]

  beer lot a lot of dander and and and i [TS]

  was suddenly in heaven [TS]

  and I was walking around saying all [TS]

  these guys like you don't have by any [TS]

  chance national lampoon number to do you [TS]

  and then they would go there soon turns [TS]

  out of have a repressing but i think you [TS]

  know in that case that's going to begin [TS]

  with the exhale that's gonna and then [TS]

  that's a comic book I but it's that was [TS]

  going to be right look server condition [TS]

  itself it's laptop near-mint I was so [TS]

  excited to be in this room and realizing [TS]

  the comic-con was really at the at the [TS]

  core of it if you went all the way into [TS]

  the center of the death grip death star [TS]

  there was actually a room full of comic [TS]

  books and it wasn't just that there were [TS]

  the teacher comic books there were comic [TS]

  books here at this festival of people [TS]

  that are like lined up to talk about [TS]

  Twilight or walking around dressed like [TS]

  my six-year solid seven metal bikinis [TS]

  solid seven metal bikinis [TS]

  that's one of my favorite pavement songs [TS]

  it's in 72 it is great [TS]

  yes got its gonna get a slightly kind of [TS]

  chromatic guitar opening its little slow [TS]

  going and then some out of tune singing [TS]

  from a guy that it turns out i can [TS]

  actually sing [TS]

  yeah but anyway so I had a great time [TS]

  now this year I'm going back with the [TS]

  knowledge that in the center of this [TS]

  like rat king of nerds is a room full of [TS]

  comic books and [TS]

  comic books and [TS]

  I want to get there and I'm worried that [TS]

  it's gonna change my experience because [TS]

  I'm about because you're gonna go so [TS]

  you're gonna go straight straight past [TS]

  the Slayers right now the comment i [TS]

  wandered I've spent three hours [TS]

  wandering around this man i mean this [TS]

  this convention center is like three [TS]

  aircraft carriers and to end and you're [TS]

  walking from room to room and you're [TS]

  just like what room is this kind of the [TS]

  new stop button is itself is kind of the [TS]

  new thing right comic-con's like kind of [TS]

  the thing now right [TS]

  well except that South by Southwest at [TS]

  the core of South by Southwest when you [TS]

  get into the heart of that rat king in [TS]

  its rock-and-roll there's some band of [TS]

  24 year olds used to better that are [TS]

  dressed like the romantics and are [TS]

  trying to stand trying to sound like the [TS]

  strokes right if there's it's rock and [TS]

  roll and look at the at the heart of [TS]

  comic-con [TS]

  there is that same group of 24 year olds [TS]

  they also look like they're in the [TS]

  romantics but they are trying to look [TS]

  like a comic book about a rock and roll [TS]

  band that lives on a on a surfboard in [TS]

  outer space and they have a podcast and [TS]

  I cannot whatever that is whatever that [TS]

  leap is from you know like that at the [TS]

  core of South by Southwest there are [TS]

  people playing guitars and at the core [TS]

  of comic-con I feel like at least right [TS]

  now there are people pretending to play [TS]

  space guitars and i don't i don't know [TS]

  where the heart of comic-con is other [TS]

  than this room full of comic books the [TS]

  room and at comic-con where people are [TS]

  actually drawing things and making [TS]

  things I know it's there but i but I and [TS]

  I'm i don't i'm not in yet or I don't [TS]

  when I open the door and I see a room [TS]

  full of people all looking at their [TS]

  computers [TS]

  I don't perceive that as a room full of [TS]

  people who are making things right and [TS]

  it and in fact it it it probably is [TS]

  they're probably they're making [TS]

  webcomics that's the funny thing today [TS]

  is that I i really believe this is that [TS]

  there are very few people today let's [TS]

  look at this way I don't know how long [TS]

  things been around the 20 years ago [TS]

  something called comic-con if it existed [TS]

  would have been regarded as a fan event [TS]

  a place where you go because you're a [TS]

  fan of comics I bet now today I think [TS]

  for better for worse for reality [TS]

  pretty much everybody thinks of [TS]

  themselves as a term i love the content [TS]

  creator everybody thinks of themselves [TS]

  as somebody who makes stuff even making [TS]

  that is is your blog about blogs about [TS]

  comics [TS]

  yeah well but i have i have been [TS]

  invented this is going to blow your mind [TS]

  okay but i have recently become a [TS]

  friends with some people who are [TS]

  cosplayers and when I when I say friends [TS]

  is this through a mud or these people [TS]

  usually have met a user group and a mug [TS]

  like that there are people that I know [TS]

  that I that I initially probably met [TS]

  through the internet but now how have [TS]

  now that now I know them and their and [TS]

  when you ask them what they do with him [TS]

  they say cosplay that is what they do it [TS]

  is because my customers like a japanese [TS]

  girl version of LARPing alright larping [TS]

  and cosplay overlap [TS]

  yeah but I mean it's like 60 pound [TS]

  difference right well I think you can be [TS]

  a girl and larp this is this is a new [TS]

  thing I just discovered his girl are [TS]

  paying you could be a girl in life but [TS]

  but the idea that then that that making [TS]

  a costume and and going out in public in [TS]

  the costume and and being a part of [TS]

  these these gatherings and sort of [TS]

  showing off your creation is a form of [TS]

  its not just a form of creativity but [TS]

  yeah it's actually now a this is the [TS]

  thing that I either i'm still struggling [TS]

  to understand but it is a kind of AA [TS]

  being a rock star or it's a kind of it [TS]

  isn't just performance it isn't just [TS]

  that it's not just fanart like there are [TS]

  people who are really doing genuinely [TS]

  creative stuff like you know you can you [TS]

  can you write it's not it's not that [TS]

  you're dressed up like pokemon but you [TS]

  have taken you've taken elements from [TS]

  pokemon and you've taken elements from [TS]

  speed racer and elements from and you've [TS]

  made a new thing and it is a costume [TS]

  which you are inhabiting mhm and you are [TS]

  the costume kind of her a it'sit's all [TS]

  it's a brave new world for me I'm still [TS]

  trying to learn i'm still trying to [TS]

  learn the [TS]

  what it all means but i'm actually i'm [TS]

  having first-hand experience of it now [TS]

  rather than just not understanding it at [TS]

  a distance go in and dismissing it which [TS]

  would be coming for somebody like myself [TS]

  my age [TS]

  yeah I I'm realizing now that I cannot [TS]

  dismiss anything you gotta stop you [TS]

  gotta get old [TS]

  that's how you get counsel that is how [TS]

  you get old and a and what were such [TS]

  early days of the internet and in fact [TS]

  we're kind of the unlucky ones because [TS]

  we were there for to the 20 years of [TS]

  developing computers that now has become [TS]

  irrelevant right all those years that we [TS]

  spent or some of us spend sitting in [TS]

  front of apple to ease writing basic [TS]

  programs onto floppy disks unless you [TS]

  are unless you are working in a vintage [TS]

  computers museum room all that [TS]

  information is useless now it's all this [TS]

  it's all become a different thing and so [TS]

  the people that are people that where [TS]

  the Internet is going to go in 20 years [TS]

  I don't know and I can't afford I really [TS]

  can't afford to say and I mean I had had [TS]

  this experience just recently working [TS]

  with a with a company that I work [TS]

  closely with you sure did it where I had [TS]

  up you know i wish you could talk about [TS]

  the chief technology officer of this [TS]

  company [TS]

  tell me that he thought that Twitter was [TS]

  for douchebags and that he didn't [TS]

  understand why you know if that they had [TS]

  that the company had made a decision a [TS]

  long time ago that that they didn't want [TS]

  to send out too many newsletters right [TS]

  on twitter but he didn't tell you that [TS]

  you're like a form letter D we send it [TS]

  to me on it he sent it to me on an email [TS]

  in reply to an email that i had sent him [TS]

  Richie which he claimed had gotten lost [TS]

  in his in his trash folder or his spam [TS]

  folder for a week and I and I run back [TS]

  and I was like first of all you're the [TS]

  chief technology officer of this company [TS]

  that I work with and my emails are going [TS]

  into your spam folder maybe you need to [TS]

  revisit how tightly your spam folder is [TS]

  configured but second of all you decided [TS]

  a long time ago what your social media [TS]

  policy was like that doesn't make any [TS]

  sense because a long time ago there [TS]

  wasn't social media and now there [TS]

  is anyway I realize that I'm 43 years [TS]

  old and to be to have to to maintain the [TS]

  attitude that anything that i see in the [TS]

  world now is like oh that's like it's [TS]

  stupid when I when it's just a kid [TS]

  question or just a case of not [TS]

  understanding what it is i just can't [TS]

  afford to do it i have to have to go out [TS]

  there and touch every larper and say [TS]

  excuse me good sir excuse me kind nave [TS]

  would you explain it off [TS]

  explain to me bouse LARPing as I button [TS]

  what are you five buttons are out of [TS]

  period because I because that because [TS]

  who knows you're honestly who knows and [TS]

  particularly the way that the internet [TS]

  manifest itself in real life [TS]

  who knows I may be bronies are the [TS]

  future maybe it's okay I'll bite [TS]

  now what is a brownie what is a brownie [TS]

  was a brownie is a grown person a grown [TS]

  male who who watches the my little pony [TS]

  television on ironically and who then [TS]

  dresses themselves in my little pony [TS]

  type costumes and meets up with other [TS]

  grown adult men and the women who love [TS]

  them to celebrate the positivity of the [TS]

  message at the core of my law on [TS]

  ironically on as far as i can tell on [TS]

  ironically genuine celebration of the [TS]

  message of positivity at the heart of my [TS]

  little pony and they're called bronies [TS]

  and there's a there is a little bit of [TS]

  like a furry element is gas is a visit [TS]

  but it's not a lady horse thing is [TS]

  totally furry ish thing it's a sex with [TS]

  cartoon horse here pain but it's not all [TS]

  about sex with cartoon horse know its [TS]

  philosophical component yeah that which [TS]

  is my little ponies are I don't have [TS]

  never seen my little pony show [TS]

  yeah but my understanding is that the [TS]

  messages very positive very very about [TS]

  pony positive that the bits pony [TS]

  positive that if you are [TS]

  a pink stuffed pony debt that has the [TS]

  gift of life and you can fly and you [TS]

  have magic powers which take the form of [TS]

  stars the consent gold stars out into [TS]

  the sky [TS]

  um that that is better than living in [TS]

  the world as a human [TS]

  amen you know how i mean i would rather [TS]

  be there than here [TS]

  you cannot afford to look down your nose [TS]

  at that because you never know you never [TS]

  know you never attacked most bronies [TS]

  also look like Robert Smith circuit 1985 [TS]

  it's just it's like thunder and groomed [TS]

  brownies [TS]

  okay well or or groomed like a lot of [TS]

  eyeliner tend to be a lot of clove [TS]

  cigarettes are making a comeback i smoke [TS]

  close the other day so anyway I don't [TS]

  know what the future will hold [TS]

  i can't i can't afford to sit here in my [TS]

  in my castle my lighthouse windmill that [TS]

  I have built here on this promontory the [TS]

  edge of the earth and and cast [TS]

  aspersions this is that this is really [TS]

  admirable John I think this is this is I [TS]

  I've arrived something similar and I [TS]

  just want to say I admire this this is [TS]

  this is this is very now how do you how [TS]

  do you keep in touch with with a brownie [TS]

  or a cosplayer you guys you guys have [TS]

  chat rooms or do you use facebook how to [TS]

  keep in touch [TS]

  do they have like a pony facebook funny [TS]

  blogs i think they do I think they do I [TS]

  i'm not a livejournal things John yeah I [TS]

  think you're on livejournal I'm not [TS]

  trying to keep in touch with bronies per [TS]

  se but I'm aware that they are there and [TS]

  i'm not opposed to them [TS]

  would you like to take this opportunity [TS]

  and this platform to reach out to the [TS]

  brownies and have them contact you if [TS]

  there are any brownies were listening to [TS]

  our podcast i would be surprised but if [TS]

  that twice [TS]

  I feel like most of the people who are [TS]

  listening to our podcast art are on the [TS]

  other side of the cynicism fence from [TS]

  the tall fence being able to listen to [TS]

  or watch brownie TV but I do i do like I [TS]

  this this this business of the google [TS]

  chat where 15 people all meet online and [TS]

  talk to each other and see their little [TS]

  faces that they're in the corner [TS]

  um that is a thing I'm seeing more and [TS]

  more people do that [TS]

  that again i feel like i don't [TS]

  understand that I don't understand the [TS]

  impulse to get in a computer room with [TS]

  20 people and talked for five hours but [TS]

  people are doing and again i cannot cast [TS]

  aspersions I have to just I think what i [TS]

  have to do is dip my toe in I have to go [TS]

  join someones chat you could just very [TS]

  gently dip one little hoof into that [TS]

  trough and see what it's like an end and [TS]

  check it out but I admire this might [TS]

  require this you can join it you could [TS]

  join a chat you ever join a challenge i [TS]

  have did its did desk its send you that [TS]

  invite for the thing that's exactly what [TS]

  I'm saying [TS]

  ok that's it that's a great example of a [TS]

  way to have been people have no idea [TS]

  we're talking about that there are ways [TS]

  do I don't have any desire personally [TS]

  when I look and I'm gonna mention what [TS]

  this is I don't want to i mean i don't [TS]

  want to give them any nature of the [TS]

  technology or what about I don't want to [TS]

  give them a free promotion unless [TS]

  they're going to sponsor our podcast for [TS]

  five thousand dollars a month no is the [TS]

  response from other podcasts they're [TS]

  into it you're you all the good things [TS]

  go to your other podcast I said no john [TS]

  chancellor was faster this one [TS]

  yeah you should we're gonna have a [TS]

  sponsor go back and say why don't you [TS]

  sponsor this good one [TS]

  did you look at it yet look at it sends [TS]

  me this thing and it says he's invited [TS]

  you to this club John fight club last [TS]

  board [TS]

  ok yes and so I click on the thing it [TS]

  has joined the board so i click on the [TS]

  thing and i go there and of course they [TS]

  want all my information i'm not going to [TS]

  give them to him so I I I got out of [TS]

  there but i'm wondering what's on the [TS]

  other side of this wall scott simpson [TS]

  and a bunch of people are talking about [TS]

  stuff before you blew it was going to be [TS]

  the three of us making fun of people [TS]

  comic-con [TS]

  yeah it's got Simpson literally oh why [TS]

  did i do why did I not blow I don't do [TS]

  that because you're afraid to take your [TS]

  fucking hook and put it in the trough [TS]

  because we got that personal information [TS]

  that you hold so dear to your promontory [TS]

  but I mean if I if I sign up for will [TS]

  have this thing glass boards now going [TS]

  to link to my facebook page and it's not [TS]

  getting to be clicking cows are you [TS]

  doing a facebook my god John I go there [TS]

  once a week [TS]

  high school friends are there we should [TS]

  talk about the myspace days remember the [TS]

  myspace days was helping you figure out [TS]

  how to monitor my had a automate accept [TS]

  people as friends remember that i don't [TS]

  have firefox script for that because [TS]

  when i first was on i do remember every [TS]

  morning every morning going to click [TS]

  click friendly friendly yes except [TS]

  except except and then all those people [TS]

  would write on my myspace a ok thanks [TS]

  for the anxiety ad thanks to the end [TS]

  thanks for the add yeah sure i want to [TS]

  dip into that well here's the thing that [TS]

  long ago I i have to really come around [TS]

  to this and and i'm going to be the old [TS]

  man here and make the obvious reference [TS]

  which is there were remember like when t [TS]

  remember and radio came out like when [TS]

  radio came out there's a there's I think [TS]

  it's a has an article or later you [TS]

  asking me if I remember what radio you [TS]

  know I withdrew that by making the funny [TS]

  old-timey radio voice when i use that [TS]

  you know I'm withdrawing when I use the [TS]

  funny all-time record right you're right [TS]

  you're right John Philip Sousa what was [TS]

  in a huff because he said I think I [TS]

  don't overstate this but you know he's a [TS]

  very dramatic man you wrote marches you [TS]

  did good marches some you know just much [TS]

  as a good for house invading Poland let [TS]

  me tell you usually have the kids that [TS]

  get a partner / right marches know is [TS]

  that a little majestic from march that's [TS]

  going to but can't Appa fly by blogger [TS]

  is good for strengthening partners an [TS]

  expression called a straight track [TS]

  marching music is a different thing you [TS]

  need to believe I'm talking about this [TS]

  John Philip Sousa if memory serves and [TS]

  i'll try to find this but he was in half [TS]

  because he said recording music is going [TS]

  to kill live music that once once people [TS]

  can go in that there will never be live [TS]

  music again I I'm exaggerating but this [TS]

  happens all the time just happened in [TS]

  the very very very very very famous suit [TS]

  where Walt Disney Corporation suit sony [TS]

  over the Betamax saying that nobody's [TS]

  ever eat your children will be deprived [TS]

  of winnie the pooh because they're never [TS]

  gonna go to a movie theater getting long [TS]

  story short i'm not saying that internet [TS]

  chatting is going to kill chatter no no [TS]

  because I'm saying this is this is my [TS]

  problem is that it's easy for me to look [TS]

  at something new and go that's [TS]

  unfamiliar right or that's silly in the [TS]

  same or that's dangerous in the same way [TS]

  that John Philip Sousa might have [TS]

  thought that [TS]

  radios or in that case I guess you know [TS]

  just recorded music for such a terrible [TS]

  thing for a long time they told they [TS]

  told women that they shouldn't ride on [TS]

  trains sure the first time that you saw [TS]

  a guy dressed as Bob's Big Boy except [TS]

  with an erection you're like I don't [TS]

  want this this is wrong then you later [TS]

  on you guys like the list of settlement [TS]

  behold your Civil War reenactors are [TS]

  they a subset of LARPing is and I was [TS]

  like being have to be like the indie [TS]

  don't even know what John forget it i [TS]

  gotta look all this up I'm gonna lie I [TS]

  kind of know every time I hear the term [TS]

  LARPing I just think John Hodgman for [TS]

  scien I see what John Hodgman does not [TS]

  laugh I swear to good times that it [TS]

  doesn't he i think he does [TS]

  ok but just as we are talking about it [TS]

  but LARPing it's always swords and [TS]

  sorcery as far as i can tell from the [TS]

  Civil War reenactors are absolutely [TS]

  LARPers but it's a little bit dnd meets [TS]

  Lord of the Rings kind of stuff [TS]

  Yeah right right everybody's everybody's [TS]

  drinking flagons of me need and they are [TS]

  they're actually having sword fights [TS]

  with each other in a in a public park [TS]

  yeah but look how would you be a cleric [TS]

  in that context and clerics are already [TS]

  pretty useless but if your clerical an [TS]

  illusionist our matches and I know these [TS]

  are terms of art copyright ESR which is [TS]

  rather business but but but like I could [TS]

  see being a paladin arranged you're a [TS]

  thief or I don't know this in terms mean [TS]

  but yeah I could see being one of those [TS]

  but like how would you be a cleric and [TS]

  allusions to a magic user without people [TS]

  just laughing at you [TS]

  is that part of the plays a part of the [TS]

  cause I think so you're talking about a [TS]

  group of people who are wearing chain [TS]

  mail in a in a lot of soccer field like [TS]

  not declare to wear chainmail nobody's [TS]

  gonna laugh at you if you suddenly like [TS]

  I cast a spell of unhappiness but it's [TS]

  kinda like asking the genie for three [TS]

  more wishes that you think in my [TS]

  experience speaking personally as a [TS]

  sorcerer [TS]

  mm well actually i think i think i would [TS]

  rather I think that's about you running [TS]

  around in the sewers forgot more of a [TS]

  wizard because your sorcerers butt like [TS]

  your planet x Merlin I think I'm a [TS]

  wizard a sort of like murder your [TS]

  namesake Merlin but that but you know [TS]

  being a wizard generally involves [TS]

  standing at one remove [TS]

  from the action and looking at everyone [TS]

  with a quizzical and knowing look right [TS]

  so you don't you're not actually in [TS]

  their casting spells [TS]

  you're just standing at one remove in a [TS]

  longer cloak and and going hm haha me [TS]

  just the why it's it's it's going to be [TS]

  the wise one you like the CEO of magic [TS]

  that's right you don't you don't have to [TS]

  be involved in every implementation [TS]

  decision you're hanging back and making [TS]

  sure that the boats moving in the right [TS]

  direction exactly and then you assume [TS]

  that at one point a combatant will come [TS]

  over and consult with you and then you [TS]

  can give them some you know you have a [TS]

  private and that instance it could be an [TS]

  illusionist to use them as a mentee [TS]

  other illusionist I better anyone anyone [TS]

  there who is a little is an illusionist [TS]

  i'm pretty sure that they're a juggler [TS]

  which is not the same thing [TS]

  it's not as agile but no it's not [TS]

  absolutely not as the same things dry [TS]

  below an illusionist that sounds like a [TS]

  selection community kind of thing i'm [TS]

  very interested in civil war reenactor [TS]

  minutes as a component of LARPing though [TS]

  I wonder you're not serious spp know how [TS]

  serious they are you aware of how [TS]

  serious they are i am but you know I [TS]

  live in the west so there is no there's [TS]

  very little we cannot reenact actual [TS]

  Civil War battles out here because not [TS]

  known occurs you're already hardcore [TS]

  what could be more hardcore than [TS]

  somebody who's honest about whether it [TS]

  was appropriate for them to reenact [TS]

  something [TS]

  oh my god you really are the CEO of [TS]

  magic I'm telling you what if you are a [TS]

  civil war reenactor in Washington State [TS]

  yeah you need to check yourself if you [TS]

  this is a thing you want to do you [TS]

  should go to Tennessee she could be a [TS]

  grand jury an actor or we're going to be [TS]

  a boeing reenactor we had we had did you [TS]

  ever hear about the pig war and the pig [TS]

  well yes please please think about the [TS]

  local person [TS]

  no no I would not want the ipad together [TS]

  guy we're going to be looking leg over [TS]

  whether the pig was local oh no the big [TS]

  war was a was an incident here between [TS]

  between the United States and and and [TS]

  the English who what later became the [TS]

  Canadians it was a right before the [TS]

  Civil War there was a there was a there [TS]

  was a battle on vancouver island between [TS]

  you know because they haven't decided [TS]

  where Oregon Territory left off and [TS]

  we're british columbia where they [TS]

  decided where the border was and that [TS]

  this was the slogan 5440 or fight [TS]

  Oh cash from this is this like we're out [TS]

  here nobody nobody nobody cares really [TS]

  what's going on in oregon territory [TS]

  because they're about to have a civil [TS]

  war back back back East but we're out [TS]

  here and the British are kind of [TS]

  encroaching and the British the British [TS]

  actually wanted the border of Canada to [TS]

  be the Columbia River out here which [TS]

  would have encompassed all of Washington [TS]

  State and so there were a few brave [TS]

  Americans keeping the British back and [TS]

  one of those Americans anyway so there [TS]

  was a pig [TS]

  there's apparently started with a pig it [TS]

  started with the pig and and there was a [TS]

  an American i think there was a pig and [TS]

  there's an American farmer and the pig [TS]

  was in his yard and then he killed the [TS]

  pig and minute the pig was owned by a [TS]

  British person and then it started a [TS]

  fight [TS]

  ok that's like there but their main [TS]

  their Lusitania there something like [TS]

  that they're France for knew it was [TS]

  their main remember the big over the pig [TS]

  but uh but very interestingly the [TS]

  commander of the American forces out [TS]

  here at that time was one Ulysses and [TS]

  screams turns our turns out [TS]

  Alyssa's except where he made it bones [TS]

  this is where he like got his initial [TS]

  bones and then he went back and and you [TS]

  know and made a name for himself as [TS]

  president of the united states anyway so [TS]

  up there in the north [TS]

  now we're talking about the Strait of [TS]

  Juan de Fuca the Orcas islands that rely [TS]

  up there by Bellingham [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  all that area there's still a lot of [TS]

  hard feelings about that pig you know [TS]

  the British and the Americans there's a [TS]

  bunch of islands and the Americans on [TS]

  some of the islands of the British on [TS]

  other islands and it's not very clear [TS]

  they're like it's not a straight line [TS]

  it's kind of like just don't please [TS]

  don't bring up the pig you don't bring [TS]

  up the pig [TS]

  it's like guys like that to make a [TS]

  Republican Haiti you know like new [TS]

  zealand and australia is just something [TS]

  we don't talk about if you're talking if [TS]

  to someone from the Dominican Republic [TS]

  you don't mention he never mentioned [TS]

  haiti you're talking to somebody from [TS]

  Haiti you can talk about the Dominican [TS]

  Republic all day but it's not right [TS]

  yeah I don't look down pretty hard on [TS]

  Haiti I when I went to the Dominican [TS]

  Republic I was when I wanted to make a [TS]

  dramatic republic i was informed that [TS]

  you must not ever discuss haiti yeah [TS]

  well there's a shame because I had a lot [TS]

  of really good haiti material haiti [TS]

  material plays really strong everywhere [TS]

  except the Dominican Republic [TS]

  yeah yeah yeahs stand-up comics killed [TS]

  with that in a tease you got your [TS]

  initial bones some stand-up comedy is [TS]

  not funny i think we've determined [TS]

  here's the thing [TS]

  um yeah you know what's funny is like [TS]

  the problem is though I'm gonna shoot [TS]

  you know what kind of trace back in the [TS]

  stack a little bit yeah go back [TS]

  what what our comics do you like comic [TS]

  books [TS]

  yeah when you go when you're gonna go to [TS]

  the den of comic comics and you're going [TS]

  to get into the danger zone [TS]

  what we'd be looking for you mention [TS]

  nationally are you looking for any any [TS]

  funny books where they're up most of the [TS]

  comics that I like our I don't even know [TS]

  if this is still the term of art but [TS]

  that they are there alternative comics [TS]

  and and I say alternative comics all the [TS]

  way back to our chrome and ok raw [TS]

  magazine [TS]

  here's my review how little I know about [TS]

  this would like Chris where be one of [TS]

  those kinds of things [TS]

  absolutely a more modern one ok but you [TS]

  know like I'm familiar with his work [TS]

  he's her you know it's not one of the [TS]

  classic of the first generation he's a [TS]

  classic of the third-generation it's [TS]

  pronounced Richard rich although Richie [TS]

  Rich yeah I have to say I have a very [TS]

  soft spot for rich common better be soft [TS]

  not so much that i would go by vintage [TS]

  Richie Rich comics [TS]

  but I think if I went to comic-con and i [TS]

  found that there was actually an [TS]

  underground like Richie Rich comic book [TS]

  collector market where people were [TS]

  talking about rich comics as serious [TS]

  collectors items whether it's like this [TS]

  what you do there is and it's worth [TS]

  fifteen dollars if I if I discover that [TS]

  if i go find that I might be susceptible [TS]

  to getting sucked into them can make a [TS]

  suggestion you mentioned the big boy [TS]

  with direction i don't know i know [TS]

  you're you're very careful sartorial man [TS]

  but I'm just saying it it would not be [TS]

  that hard for you to dress up like [TS]

  Richie Rich like a big really big Richie [TS]

  Rich I'm just saying I mean I'm ready [TS]

  have I'm not gonna google this but I [TS]

  think has sure to get a fancy outfit [TS]

  blonde here you had shorts with [TS]

  suspenders I think you would look great [TS]

  in that and you already got that blonde [TS]

  peroxide hair you look great and your [TS]

  ranch [TS]

  everyone groaning I am rich you got a [TS]

  whole extra house just for your money i [TS]

  have a butler in bascom you can build [TS]

  robots whenever the fucking seats you [TS]

  mm I'm i said it's hardly ever around [TS]

  except what he is he's just there to [TS]

  throw money at me [TS]

  here's my concern with the Civil War the [TS]

  civil war thing has been the reenactment [TS]

  and civil war buffness has has been [TS]

  overdone for like a generation [TS]

  I don't think it's don't know well no [TS]

  but I mean the whole like island that [TS]

  mean to the Civil War you know like [TS]

  thing I think I think that tipped with [TS]

  that PBS program right it turns out [TS]

  alright and here's the thing i think you [TS]

  know what I don't want to google this [TS]

  for any variety of reasons but I'm just [TS]

  suggesting it would not take that much [TS]

  preparation you already have a lot of [TS]

  clothes i bet you with with your with [TS]

  your new skills i bet you could cobble [TS]

  together a pretty good rich outfit that [TS]

  put you deep in the Harvey comic space [TS]

  you could become if you ever decided to [TS]

  move vertically from being a CEO of [TS]

  magic you could be the CEO of rich your [TS]

  thoughts [TS]

  mm I'm saying there's not going to be [TS]

  sure this can be slightly as I hoped I [TS]

  you know I'm a mutual mutual friend i [TS]

  said to him if you see any good back [TS]

  girls are you see any good dark phoenix [TS]

  please snap some photos for me [TS]

  sure I don't be creepy but in your case [TS]

  I wonder how many riches are there [TS]

  doubtful of their many riches although i [TS]

  was thinking about going as Dennis I [TS]

  corn which I sure there will not be any [TS]

  dentists di corn [TS]

  go ahead another hit the keyboard for [TS]

  that one is that I k bi ch ch Chris [TS]

  tjaden a homicide corn Dennis TI corn if [TS]

  I cause that is that is the silliest [TS]

  name I've ever heard in my life [TS]

  Tennessee Eichorn up i don't think [TS]

  anybody else there will be done spi corn [TS]

  and I won't have to work very hard [TS]

  because he basically looks like me and I [TS]

  just go wearing my own clothes from [TS]

  Montana reason he he made his bones in [TS]

  idaho his bones [TS]

  yeah i'm just saying like the thing is [TS]

  you know you mentioned earlier with [TS]

  these cosplay people that they're [TS]

  bringing together different things like [TS]

  maybe you're going to bring together you [TS]

  know I mean your journal shop cultural [TS]

  mashup about Richie Rich with a boner [TS]

  suddenly for reasons I can't explain I [TS]

  can't imagine him not having a bone haha [TS]