Ep. 40: "Status Butter"
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hello I John I'm Maryland how are you
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I'm good sound subdued mmm well it's so
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early food we're recording on a
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different day than usual and it's
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exactly the same time we usually record
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which is 20 minutes late just 120
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minutes after we agreed to meet ya but
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the fact that it's a different day makes
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it feel really early do you anything
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differently to prepare for the show for
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recording do you do any kind of
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stretches or have any special angles you
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apply um i want what i do to prepare
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fresh as i wake up earlier than I
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that is the preparation that I have I'm
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so sorry no no it's perfectly fine i
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should wake up before noon
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well I should be a good father Eric
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I you know what I have really mixed
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emotions about this first of all I am
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sorry i know you are sorry that's your
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primary emotion is a great was poorly i
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love you will say poorly poorly
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yeah yeah they say on Deadwood a lot i
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think its way people used to say I think
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maybe English people still say it on
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oh I'm poorly yeah like you know I'm
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feeling poorly no feeling poorly would
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be like the way my grandfather would say
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well it's like the fashion that that
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swept our great nation to respond to the
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question how you doing uh-huh with well
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remember when we were kids if somebody
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said how ru you said good even get a
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problem with that
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no not at all but there was a there was
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a moment in time where someone decided
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that good was the with some you know
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someone started saying to their friends
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in an elementary school teachers voice
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you know properly we should say well
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instead of good sometimes use with your
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what's your what's your preference /
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beef like you like good i have no
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preference or beef
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it's just something that I that I am
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noting who that there that the use of
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well the supplant ation of good with
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swept our country and now everywhere you
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if you say to a barista how you doing
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today they go I'm well how are you
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yes right no one and and if somebody
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says if somebody says I'm good how are
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generally most people say I'm well and
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it's a kind of it's a little bit of a
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like a it's a little bit because I
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talked about mrs. speaking people talk
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about mare it's like reaching its a
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grammar reach-around I met well then
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you're like oh you know it's interesting
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though is also just in hearing you say
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that bc good try to get the same here
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i'm well it you if you say I am well you
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can't help it sound like you paused in
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our little fancy that's right you paused
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and you were like should I be saying
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should be saying I or me
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I am what meet me and well well as I
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it's anybody know you know it's a really
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good point and I'm usually a bit of a
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stickler about those things
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yeah but the thing is it swept the
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country in such a way that the
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implication was that saying i am good
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was improper and in fact same i'm good
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is just fine i think that counts as
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vernacular and I got a safe if you're on
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track if you're feeling upbeat you know
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I'm well sounds like I'm undiagnosed
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haha he say I'm hey do you good and I
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think that's man that is efficient as
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shit that's so good
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it's like so well yeah I'm well I given
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gonna give you you know a bellingham but
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can i give you a-a bellingham ease
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reframe on this something I've heard an
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occasional benefits a correction or just
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not blocked a lot of it out but
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sometimes people will say you know well
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you know there's only one way to do good
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you know which is to tell you it's like
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you know shutout and that's the that's
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the that's the slap that's the slap
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engendering wave wave correcting people
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is that a little bit the Hemis you think
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there is no one in bellingham for the
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last seven years that has ever said they
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were good they all are well unless they
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worked at the magazine
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it is get a magazine called good i'm
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I'm sure it features local locally
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artist finely crafted it's beautifully
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designed of course i'm pretty sure al
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gore is involved again it's that the
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design like the magazine itself is
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extremely pleased with it
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yeah well I met and I think personally I
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feel like if you have if you have
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completely replaced describing yourself
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as doing good with describing yourself
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is doing well if you have completely
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I mean I i use the two interchangeably
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but if you if you can never ever say to
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somebody that you're doing good then
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you're a little pleased with yourself
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like people need to reintroduce that
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sometimes you know what the correct
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answer is that you're doing good and if
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you can't do that if you're if you're so
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convinced that well is the only proper
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and your little precious and you need to
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check yourself oh and you know i'd like
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to see at the return of feeling fine up
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like that which is a little bit like
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certainly on the pie graph thirty
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percent is gonna that's gonna be you
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know towers snipers and white van people
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but you know i think that's that's kind
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of you see you in five somebody says how
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you doing yusei feeling fine and a
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cartoon rainbow doesn't come from behind
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I'm like little cartoon birds are
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suddenly sitting around your head then
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you're not gonna answer your question
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give me three other ways to make a
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cartoon rainbow and birds appear without
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saying feeling fine
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it's an incantation of joy it is it
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really is although if your name is Uncle
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Remus why that's a dirty name you can
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you can conjure rainbows and birthdate
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and you know how do you mind the
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ping-pong that sounds like a porn name
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Remus I never thought of it that way Oh
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Uncle Remus I want to come back to my
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second reason was a local liquor driver
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i wanna come back to my a second reason
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that I I discussing like I feel bad
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about getting up early but coupl couple
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these are two that I'm a little bit
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pedantic about just with me just with
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myself one that drives me a little bit
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crazy just to get it out of the way is
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and I in the object of a sentence
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give me an example Jim came to the
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abattoir with Lucille and I because
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people think they're there mrs. howl o
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thats turn and they were corrected so
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many times so it so many I think for
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some reason I as kids they think you
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think of yourself as me this is me this
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is for me because that you are the
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object of everything in the world
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another something someone hit you on the
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knuckles with a ruler for five years
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saying it's not me it's i right
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and now you now you do it without you
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don't he's going without understanding
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why you do without understanding the
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grammar and you use and I in situations
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I don't make it Japanese two hours
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getting a German but now I think you're
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thinking more about corporal punishment
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than you are about communicating clearly
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right for or or you're thinking more
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about now that you have been improperly
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now your job in the world is to go
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improperly school and now we're back in
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England with a spanking is contagious
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how can you have your putting when you
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don't eat your meat
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oh no you know you know what that are
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you got started without you are
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absolutely right now
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it absolutely and you know that start
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with him spitting on a fan spinning on a
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on a on a fan of the band we're going on
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down in an electric fan this is a reason
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that I would like roger waters and Mike
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love to being a super super band
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together because it was relieved me wen
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ru conflating robbed the great roger
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waters with mike no no I'm not
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complaining I'm just saying that they
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should both never stopped being hit by
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somebody maybe really o.o you know what
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we should come up with a new game you
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can pick up an electric fan that has
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like rubber gloves are at the end of
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popsicle sticks haha it's just this fan
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spins and the role of my god that's apt
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1132 on this day I want to keep it
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timeless this is the day that I figured
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out my first fucking Kickstarter i will
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give a nickel to and that is the Michael
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of slapping fan of my club slapping fan
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take off that hat
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you've been following since surfin USA
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take that thing off
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ok ok shoot i'm getting Deeping stack ok
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so first of all and i also want to
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provide our listeners John I'll never be
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as helpful as you but perhaps you can
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share with me what do you think this
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is as useful as i have found it so first
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of all only say I if it's in the subject
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of the sentence right i just think it's
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good things are done to me right object
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object and here's the really simple way
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I don't be panic i wanna be helpful but
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here's the thing take off the was like
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Stephanie what was the name and I forget
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to Lucille so you say Jim Jim came to
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the average war with Lucille and I take
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off Lucille and how would you say it
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would you say Jim came to the abattoir
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with I yes no you would not
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doesn't anyone football here's what's
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confusing because you would say Lucy
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when I went to the store and so people
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are people become accustomed to thinking
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that maybe there's two sure that that
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that that that little claws or that
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phrase that is is you can its mobile and
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you can use it as a subject or an object
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i bet you the Inuit don't have any
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problem with this was in order Eskimos
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with this one's a language and one is a
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docs letting people know there are
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Inuits and Eskimos this is complicated
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ok my somebody people are all the time
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saying like saying to me because
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oh no they're not I don't directly but
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they're like so what about the what
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about those Aleuts up in the upper
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Eskimo country and I'm like you're
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getting it you're getting it wrong
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there are aliens there i say is you
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Allie you to cali out lu that's right
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the newest and Eskimos and at the
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Baskins which are Indians not an Eskimo
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people not am NOT a seafaring people the
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Athabascan that you wouldn't call those
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Indians Native Americans you would in
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fact you would call the at the Baskins
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well I you know what I don't call anyone
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Native Americans because i think it's a
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dumb three its own phrase but remember
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that show we could put up because I mean
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going off on african-american remember
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and while you was justyou were just
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going off on everybody yeah it was great
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it was really it was really wonderful
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and maybe one day when the world has
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evolved to a place where people have
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enough understanding that they can
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appreciate that you don't like other
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races in your country now we can play
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but anyway at the Baskins are asking
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they are related to like the Shoshoni I
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mean they're related to the Indians that
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live in the continental United States
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whereas the Inuits and the Aleuts are
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more what you would call that in fact i
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think they are closer a genetic
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genetically to the southeast Pacific
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island people there they are seafaring
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people from the coasts who arrived in
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boats kind of Pangaea kev elution can
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keep up with us a little bit past a
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little bit after Pangaea about land
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bridge what you're thinking of his land
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bridge you're thinking I that's when
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they walked like from the from the
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former Soviet Union to Anchorage correct
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ok correct deliver Soviets picking my
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yeah let's do this one is a personal
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mission and this is more of something
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that I would like to try and advocate
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for or as the grammarian to say that i'd
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like to advocate for which you would for
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which like to advocate ok John thank you
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yes what do you say you want
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thank you thank you for sitting you know
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what thank you for saying thank you for
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saying you're welcome
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I've realized i'm becoming troubled by
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no problem no problem
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think about it thank you no problem well
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you know what you know we're at white
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where I think that's coming from it's
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coming from the ubiquitous Donata oh you
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find that ubiquitous well the it is no
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longer ubiquitous but there was a there
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was a time there in the eighties and
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early nineties when the kind of Jimmy
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Buffett ization of the Southwest was
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happening and everybody was wearing puka
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shells and there was a lot of de nada
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happening then I hey a Cheech Donata I
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think that a little bit Spicoli to it
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there's some Spicoli to it and I think
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it just at that has passed that the that
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dark cloud has passed in America but i
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think one of the residuals of it is that
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people said no problem now what they
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mean is you're welcome
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and is it the to the to that it may be
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one-eyed wha-what waitstaff not a
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oh yeah but what the fuck does that mean
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not a problem but yeah well I'm i
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believe in that is that there's a wait
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staff in America at least have been
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trained by one another
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I know I know outside force but they
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trained one another to think that they
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are an oppressed class of of artists and
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poets who have been forced into waiting
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who have been forced into servitude do
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by an unjust system so every time you
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say hey thanks you know thanks for that
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glass of water then I asked for 11
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minutes ago and they say not a problem
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but they're what they're trying to say
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to you is I shouldn't be waiting tables
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I should be on the big stage
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that's good i should be on what Donna's
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dancers and it's like no you shouldn't
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you should have brought me this glass of
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water four minutes ago right after I
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oh boy this is something that's the big
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card and then finally I just wanna leave
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often this is this is seriously
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punchable a beach bar or taqueria or
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mom it's all good it's all good i really
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don't like it's all good in any form or
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fashion but especially and now so anyway
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now let me ask you this here's the big
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one and this is the one I struggle with
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this is 10 * often it's not talking you
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hey shaka-brah rape she put the shell a
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date rape you gotta throw that whenever
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someone says thank you just made a very
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attractive very popular way to do it you
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know carrots and a drape the arm okay
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and then here's the final causes tedious
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and cut all this out and this is the one
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where I suffer because here's my feeling
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is that when someone says thank you
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you should respond by saying you're
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welcome and you know what my biggest
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offender is if you don't mind would you
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please say thank you thank you thank you
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oh right that's very belling him it's
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well and it's very it's very waitstaff
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II like it you know what I mean it'sit's
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and but I don't mind that one so much
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but i think i can do you know what I
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think I'm capable of better and i think
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that we as a culture are better and more
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device has been on wait staff Jon I
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think what we're saying is we're not
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simply teaching each other as wait staff
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to be passive aggressive because we're
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not on Broadway so to speak but I think
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we're also developing a kind of cultural
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inbreeding where there's nobody that's
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intervening to say you know what it's
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okay to be a professional waiter
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no i didn't i say server i did not say
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waitron that John not brought us the
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states that place you remember he
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brought us he brought his friend on a
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plate with giant nights he said he was
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that he was a middle-aged man he was an
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old he was older than we were and he had
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dignity and he had it great how many
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times well you know what we should take
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you out of doing this but i think it's i
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think it's more i think the epidemic is
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worse in the sense that no one in
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America now and buy it when I say no one
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in America I mean none of the none of
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the shitty overeducated west coast
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people that we know uh huh and the
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shitty overeducated east coast people
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who have been imitating shitty
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overeducated west coast people for 20
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none of these people can accept a thank
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it isn't a bit isn't it it's not just a
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problem of of of all the many different
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problems we've we've elucidated so far
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it is that what they have convinced
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themselves that to be thanked in that
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way is in itself a kind of classism or
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its they don't want to be put on I think
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this is behind your like thank you
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you don't have to absolutely become
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uncomfortable even in even being put in
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a position of power so great as to be
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thanked for something that you did no I
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I a man worthy and I reject your
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colonialism right which is why I want
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people say thank you to me sometimes I
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will respond with it was my pleasure
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oh now I think that's lovely or them
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that you know what else I like the
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pleasure was online
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the pleasure was all mine or just simply
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my pleasure and if I really believe it
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and I've honestly feel this way and i
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thought was a great opportunity say it
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was an honor to do exactly and those are
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things that what that does is it honors
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the person's gratitude and and it honors
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it by accepting that you have done
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something for them instead of saying no
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hi i am on I am unworthy of your
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gratitude I mean that is I think that's
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but that's but this is a book ended
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nation you think both coasts are
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contributing this do you think this is
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part of our evolving leftist culture he
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said wishing he had already wishing he
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yes okay yes i do and i think the piano
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at the center of america i think those
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corn-fed truck driving centre Americans
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if you say thank you to them they go
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you're welcome my pleasure
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how do you think anything else I can do
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to help I like that I you know what I
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gotta tell you I like civility with
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strangers i don't like over from uranus
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I'm on record for this pile of civility
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among strangers and I know it's but
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although it's so nice it's the oil that
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keeps it all running because here now to
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your point I'm gonna take a slightly
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different point of view on this but but
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here's the problem is that i think the
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same fucking reason that people don't
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use turn signals these people should not
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be allowed to drive if they don't use
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turn signals turn signals do not make
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well maybe in your case because you're
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clearly doing some secret work that we
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probably can't get into but you don't
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want to turn your turn to sing along if
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you feel like you're being followed no
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no but you know it's a distraction or
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depression energy never turn it on
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that's it that's a rookie mistake
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sometimes you can turn it the wrong way
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be in the wrong lane and no way to get
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over i got into this situation the other
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day I was coming to to I came to an
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intersection where no one ever uses
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their turn signal because it's one of
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those uh it's an intersection where the
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the arterial route makes a free left
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right nobody goes straight there because
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it's a dead end so it's an arterial but
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the but it's a turn a left hand turn and
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I'm coming to this intersection i'm at
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this intersection every day no one ever
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uses their terms so I arrived here and
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there is a taxi coming at a right angle
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to me and I just assumed he was gonna
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make the left and pulled out in front of
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him and he said it was a taxi that was
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the didn't know the neighborhood that
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was looking for an address down that
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dead-end Road and he he was from a
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retrail and he made some eritrea and
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gesture with his hands and his forehead
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and his hair just like what is wrong
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with your brain and he like he put he
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put his both hands in his hair and
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they're straight up in the air like your
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brain is is like in your hair
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I think was what I think that was mayor
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sorghum be consumed by rats and I was so
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like amazed by the gesture like my brain
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is in my hair but that that that it took
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me a second before I realized like oh I
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completely created a traffic accident
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there by assuming that that nobody's
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ever going to use their turn signal here
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and and and i was in the wrong and I
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have to put my foot on the brake and I i
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did a little bow to him and I was like I
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beg your forgiveness
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well god bless you John nice frame is in
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they didn't you pick up that gesture
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well what was amazing was it required
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that he put his foot on the brake and
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take both hands off the steering wheel
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and like and give himself like a fright
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like a like an eraser head consistent
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some trying to do in my own two hands d
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just put your is it like a like a
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frustrated make eraserhead hair with
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like you're frustrated
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it happened so fast like his hands went
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up to his forehead like like OMG and
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then zip right up through his hair so
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his hair standing straight up and then
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if he he ended like his dismount was at
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his hands on both sides of his head were
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up in like up in the air like what is
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wrong with you it's always an LMG to a
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WTF OMG too WTF within the middle and
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eraser like an eraser head like fro pic
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that's a fucking great move it was a
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great move and it was not it was not an
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American move it was an African move and
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it was like you sir me because he's
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probably come to an intersection before
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where the where there was a convoy of
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Toyota trucks with the 50 caliber
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machine guns and mounted in the back and
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he probably made that same gesture and
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they were like we spare you
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you live you live today yes so it worked
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I just think not being civil to
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strangers does not make you powerful and
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I is unsightly to have to say that but i
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think a lot of people think that if
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you're a gift to the waitress that gives
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us a little bit of power adjustable
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whether good or bad service i'm just
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being addicted just to be a dick
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this is the problem of Bellingham being
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maryland which is that people think that
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say thank you and they go thank you or
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they say know that they're actually
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being civil when in fact they're being
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cummins that's that's good
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well and know and and it really is true
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it goes for lots of things now the other
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one and this is really probably going
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too far now the compliments when
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sometimes someone will pay me a
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compliment and because of my my horrible
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combination of arrogance and zero
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self-esteem it i will start not
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precisely rejecting it but I end up
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fishing for more compliments because now
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i'm describing why I'm unworthy of that
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and that's something I'm trying really
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hard to stop telling you i'm trying to
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say i think i might have learned this
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from violence on what they call it like
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you say thank you very much thank you
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yeah and they say no problem I fucking
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hit him in the balls
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well in those situations this is what I
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learned from my brother Bart in those
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situations where someone is
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complimenting you for something for a
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performance that you just did or
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something that you that your instinct is
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to say you know what actually like
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people come up to me up right after a
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show there like that was amazing and
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four years my response to that was
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actually it was a shit storm and the
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fact that you liked it means that you
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don't have any taste because my feeling
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when I walk off of stages is generally
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like I'm running down all the ways that
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i fuck Rihanna does that I don't think
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yeah I and and I would you know I would
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come off the stage and people would
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crowd around me like that was into that
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was the greatest show ever and I'd be
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like actually it was in the bottom two
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percent of all shows ever performed by
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human being and what would happen is
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these people would be like crestfallen
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because not only did I not accept their
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compliments but i but i abused them it'd
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be easier than the matrix he said think
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they realize you know what that actually
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wasn't that good
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yeah and then an hour later after i
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processed after I've been through my my
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my old process I realized like on that
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show is pretty good why did I just
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abused all those people and my brother
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Bart was standing around after show this
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years ago I haven't done this same sense
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my twenties be standing around after
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showing he heard me do that like say to
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somebody like uh no actually that was a
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doesn't it was basically a puddle of
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I'm glad you came paid your ticket I
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stressful weekend Bart walked up to me
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and he said John don't take the pleasure
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of the show away from people
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if you can't accept their call
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compliment just say I'm glad you enjoyed
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it and I was like I'm glad you enjoyed
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I'm glad you enjoyed it and I walked
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around for a week or two practicing that
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I'm glad you enjoyed it and that that
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accepts them a little bit big city but
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you know what i mean it is a way of
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getting if if you cannot in that moment
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accept the compliment you can Li see
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that's your fallback you can at least
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say okay I'm glad you enjoyed it
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stressing again with just a tiny bit
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more stress on you i'm glad you
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yeah I'm glad you enjoyed it and now
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it's a different sentence it really is
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but I mean if you can just if you could
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just like put your make your face into a
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mask and say I'm glad you enjoyed it
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it's it gets you through that first hour
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after a show where I want you to die
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because you came to my show I want my
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audience to die I want them to choke on
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their enjoyment of my shit I can't
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believe you people have I can't believe
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you people saw that whole thing and
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exactly i might be on on a slow prius
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right to bellingham him with this one
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but I i think where it's possible and
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this is a little bit of civility and
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this may be getting a little little too
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far but I i think if it's at all
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possible to pay repay kindness with
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another kindness then that's not bad so
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in that situation I think another one
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hey thanks and thanks for coming to the
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show yeah but that's not my style know
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that feels a little bit like that feels
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a little bit like a pet like a pat on
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hey thanks i think i think it goes
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beyond the improv thing I thinking when
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we're in conversations with people i
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think we should always try and do more
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than fifty percent not of the talking
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necessarily but of the of the propelling
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the conversation and you have used to
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okay yeah i mean it's like any kind of
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communication and kind of a job any kind
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of thing you do if you want it to be
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good you should be
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however many and people are involved you
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should be dedicated to doing much more
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than one end of the work whether using
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on a party or whatever
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although when somebody once I've seen
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this happen with you when somebody says
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something that sticks in your craw you
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roll up the drawbridge what like what
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you would mean you don't get micro
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doesn't get stuck very often but
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sometimes somebody will say something
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where you're like oh really and then
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then you go into that mode of like 100
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percent of the conversation is on you
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oh oh no John this is this is my watch
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you and watch you squirm on the end of
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the balloon maybe Batman but i am very
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good thing Robin I can do my own versus
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somebody needs to be corrected
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I just want to get clear to our
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listeners John helps it way more people
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than me but i have i have helped the
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fuck out of a lot of people who needed
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it i believe it often by showing them a
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slightly lower pay that they might be
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more comfortable with often often by
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stripping away the niceties our frat
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I think you have you met almost now I
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understand you have to understand that i
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like i like civility I like people being
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nice to each other and I can even put up
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with a certain amount of bullshit
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yes I know you can but but i will not be
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and I will be honest when it comes to
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certain matters i will not be trifled
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how ya young man who feels that he is
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yeah no no it's a you know what it is
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though it really is something where I
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will not stand it should not stand this
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is what we owe this kind of say we owe
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people would help them the thing about
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you and and I Berlin no problem up
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it's all good it is a trait that was
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thinking about you and I let that not be
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stop it now that's never gonna happen
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it's never gave me a shirt i don't know
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gloves that's a minute up and my clothes
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little dignity they have intact who and
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curtain and so that's where you get all
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lubricant who and what it means is that
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no one is saying anything and they're
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masturbate in front of the TV
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I've seen you do it a million times and
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I do it also every day we will stop we
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butter because they're butter is there
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hitting them with their own butter pear
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butter has a counter to a spinning saw
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blade and it and you and I aren't trying
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to do anything except say what's
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happening like okay you're here I'm here
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here's what's happening
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well yeah well yeah but there's like two
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societal assistance which is that you
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never never see I think I've mentioned
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all-time favorite movie scenes is in the
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Jose Ferrer version of cyrano de
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ok well there's a wonderful scene in the
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Jose for it's just fantastic in this
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movie is a great scene at that I think
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towards the very very beginning
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yeah this is where this is where Steve
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Martin meet Holly Hunter its inmates in
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that movie to ask you to Martin is
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flying like a like he's a he's a he's a
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pilot that it puts out forest fires and
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he crashes me sleepless in seattle and
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then he's like he's a ghost but but then
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he has that 156 paces there any put a
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volleyball face on it put it on I didn't
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really watch a lot of movies in the
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eighties but go ahead about your
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services from I think the early fifties
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it's black and white and I think for a
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French French right but you know so
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basically oh well no it's it's you know
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it's a Hollywood movie but it is
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anyhow the party movies starring someone
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named Jose Jose for rare you know c84
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rare it does he like riding a donkey and
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wearing a sombrero
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on there anyway last year's investigator
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trust okay I'm listening
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it's like the third time this happens
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theater he's very displeased with the
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performances basically stops the
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swordsman in France and across from
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across the room this dandy says that
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oh he this this man here you know he's
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very arrogant he doesn't have any
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ribbons and better it up and so he walks
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with this guy walks over to see her no
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rather large and a long story short as
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lot while I kick your ass about all the
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the guy's ass and chosen although all
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scene from that movie until the asbestos
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starts burning in the butter starts
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yeah and anyway I you know I think we
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all know that was a great recap of that
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scene who are alive if I made fanart
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yeah i would make some fanart about that
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story remember when steve martin would
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have the arrow through his head but it
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yes that is the deal small details okay
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are you always finding great articles on
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the web you love to read but just don't
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instapaper saves webpages for reading
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later for ipad iphone android kindle you
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can read when you're waiting on line
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riding the bus eating breakfast or lying
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in bed you can even read offline great
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for when you're on a plane or the subway
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and don't have an internet connection
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pages are shown without clutter or
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distractions you can adjust the
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in the app store
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hey wait a minute we should always
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should have been talking about Hitler
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this whole time I didn't want to say
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anything but this isn't a little later
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yeah I see the thing I don't go into
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inside baseball here but I couldn't
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decide me how you know what this could
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be a work session for us maybe this is a
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chance to just toss some ideas around
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okay all right now I do you think they
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should really be its own separate
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property with this be a regular featured
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this place to go back and listen to the
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previous 30-something episodes
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yeah what are you doing while you're
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listening to this episode to start at
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the beginning so coming in at the end of
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you can't possibly understand what we're
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talking about yeah unless you go back to
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the original episode where you didn't
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understand what you're talking about and
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listen to 39 episodes where it's not
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really clear what we're talking about
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absolutely the shame of it is you come
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in here a little bit talking about
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Hitler and the punch line that goes date
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rape and that's gonna sound really
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insensitive Uncle Remus jokes
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oh my god that sounds so racist until
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you go back well I made it I made a joke
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about racism the other day here
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yesterday and and the people that were
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on the other where the butt of the joke
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didn't appreciate being called racists
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oh really yeah and I was like hey Reb
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calling you racists is funny and they
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were like I don't we don't see how
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that's funny I was like oh well you're
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not very involved it's typical for your
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it really is for your type of people
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that's right yes well I was not a very
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um I feel like we'll see my instinct is
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that we should have a completely
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separate podcast that we do once a week
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we're always talking about Hitler but
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you're feeling like you're feeling like
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if we if we have a whole separate
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podcast but that's gonna that's gonna
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people who just want to hear about
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Hitler are going to listen to that and
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they're gonna stop listening to our main
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cannibalization and and and and I feel
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great property thank you know I i think
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it's i think it could be perfectly good
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i gotta tell you just
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just went through my head theme music
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with tubas oh that's nice for you know
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you know we could do a what
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normally when you call and you say our i
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say hello and you say hi John and then I
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go hi Marla no don't say please don't
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what if i said no secret I'll not West
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Sieg what does that mean big Sputnik the
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different therapies blood missile f-111
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what is see that's a good question Sieg
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means the keyboard
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everything's well it's a river to river
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it ran north rhine-westphalia let's see
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see how okay i think i misspelled it
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translate from siu g OC I did the
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classic andrew has eif4e except when
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you're invading Poland the victorious
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healing that doesn't sound right
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sync I'll you know I bet you know they
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got those laws they got a lot of laws in
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Germany about about talking to Stacy
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kyle is all kinds of stuff you can't do
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well now i know i know at the far end of
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the continuum not allowed to like we're
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swastikas I don't think you'll have to
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sell swastika is you're probably not
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allowed to collect swastika you're not
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you're not allowed to have a website
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that talks about collecting swastikas
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food i think that feels a little bit
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like a red herring
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well it is it's the it's the old thing
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amiss that we have this happens in
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America all the time which is the
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assumption that racists and bigots are
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as hung up on language and words as
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liberal intellectuals who so liberal
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intellectuals think that if they can
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erase the word they will erase the
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bigotry but bigots and racists really
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aren't they don't care about words so
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much bigots and racists if you if you
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say you can no longer say the word
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nigger who gets will they will happily
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say the word urban instead it will raise
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their eyebrows and smirk and they'll say
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it's an urban problem might not have
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don't imagine for a minute that they're
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not mentally transliterating that was it
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forward oh absolutely and they they know
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that all their friends know exactly what
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they're saying but they have people
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identified it so that it's now shows
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socially acceptable and they can say the
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exact same racist crap crap crap you
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know clapper clap clap they can say the
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exact same stuff on television and it's
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and it's acceptable now it's it is just
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as racist at its core but they've
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changed the word and you know and the
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say well we're making a real difference
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here and it's and you know and there is
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nothing more there's nothing more
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liberal than modern Germany there really
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isn't especially in terms of like what
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you get like vacation time and there's
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all kinds of ways
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i'm sorry mr. clean politics but also in
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pop policy about things like economics
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right i mean in time I mean mentally
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intellectually germany is a modern
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liberal democracy and they do all this
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type of they do all this type of over
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thinking of stuff but nationalism has
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not gone away ingredients in it like
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exploding in Greece right now it's
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exploding all over Europe because
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nationalism is what happens when people
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feel like when when when stupid people
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don't understand what's happening
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anymore if nationalism is what is the
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result of it when people that don't read
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books feel like people that are reading
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books are are stepping on their their
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necks you get nationalism also with
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farmers well yeah and immigrants now
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you've been you've been to Germany more
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I've been to Germany 100 million times
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um I'm curious about how that works in
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practice because I had a I had a rebound
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girl friend who was German she's very
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young she's brilliant Germans she's 20
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and six feet tall
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yeah they feel very strongly about
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things in the Germans to well I e
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sitting there bars and they will spilled
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beer on you and tell you all the reasons
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in America is stupid
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well here's the thing now she was from
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very far as she was from a place called
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pass out which was looking right at it
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was like it was like in stripes i think
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when they were all the tanks when
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everybody was right the tank i think the
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nice i mean it was basically
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Czechoslovakia more than mr. but she was
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too young to remember before the war
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well here's the thing I remember I mean
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I know now I mean that should keep them
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alive for that this is like a you know
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over a decade ago
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OIC this is back in the day you know I
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didn't have been waiting for 15 years
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but I'm starting out about the arm but
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the thing about the thing about this was
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I don't think I went super crazy with
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the other stuff but but when you're when
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you're a provocative man in his thirties
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with the 20-year old german girl its get
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was going to come up of course and she
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cry oh she would cry so two things about
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her she refused to tip for anything
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because she was German right when she
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was super duper sensitive about even
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getting anywhere near world war two in
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general you know what I mean it's like
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it really is like that Fawlty Towers
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thing you know what don't mention the
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war it was it was absolutely like that
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and she would she would burst into tears
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and and talk about like you know people
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understanding like what a sensitive
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issue that was on that's obviously and
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rehearsing specifically I wasn't there
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it's not my fault which I get right but
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you know still it's very embarrassing
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but you know is it like that I guess
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what I'm asking you is it was at your
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impression when you were there you don't
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you just walk around and ask questions
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like like you know what your crap on the
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SS or something like that
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sure you do I you you or lots of people
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I i don't know if it's part of like
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other people's tourist experience i'm
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not sure if it's one of those tour buses
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pulls up into the square and in the
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guide sent to the front of the bus and
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says okay everybody we're here and now
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we're here and pass out now as you walk
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around make sure you ask if anybody's
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uncle was in the SS this struggle is a
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great is it true that the gauges had to
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wear shoe triangles my dick and yellow
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and black ones were troublemakers is
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that right i love talking about world
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war two and the advantages to know what
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I said you know about all this you can
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get a bar if you're a troublemaker you
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know that course of course I knew that
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this team talking to modern Germans
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about world war two and Hitler is a
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fascinating exercise because everybody
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there has a different feeling about it
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and everybody has a different family
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you know it's it is a nation that at
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least for the last 50 years has been
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processing that experience every day
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every person in that country is
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processing that experience every day
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even the ones who are like it's not my
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fault i don't want to think about it
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they are processing it every day and
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each interaction that happens in germany
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between two Germans it's it's there in
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the room with them are you kidding
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not at all so it's a city like anything
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at least once a day it goes to
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absolutely so that's a lot you walk
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around with when you bring it up with
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people there you are acknowledging the
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800-pound gorilla in the room and a lot
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of people are relieved because it
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relieves the pressure to be able to talk
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about it and you know of course everyone
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has a different experience of women and
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there are young people who feel like
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they're that that everyone in Germany is
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complicit in it and there are a lot of
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people the prevailing wisdom is that you
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know we have a toned and it's a it's
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very complicated you know that after the
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war I mean I walked across Germany right
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i spent on the course I spent two months
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walking through fields and going under
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little stone bridges and back in there
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for the in there deep forests and
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everywhere I was I was looking for that
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that one swastika that someone had not
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shipped off of a bridge abutment because
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when the Nazis were building things they
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built a lot of things and they put
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swastika is all over everything and
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after the war they have gone through
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every inch of that country and chipped
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every little spastic off of every little
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concrete culvert so that their isn't
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they have erased it completely there is
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no you will not find
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a little swastika in the corner
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somewhere in there any Mason's that had
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to undo their own work interesting or
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like seventh level mages somebody but I
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wonder I mean it you're right it was it
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was like FDR to the hundred level there
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was a lot of work to be done in a lot of
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lot of bridges and a lot of what is
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precisions the recent understand this
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and who put those on probably had to
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well I don't know a lot of people to put
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them on probably are dead or were dead
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after the war but how can there be ready
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lad ok they were literally low on dudes
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let's say at the end of that war flow-on
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blowin on marriageable men but every
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addict in every home in the country has
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a picture of great-great-grandfather in
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his vermox outfit at the very least and
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I did find one time
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stop me if I've told you the story
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before but I i was in a little i was up
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in the mountains in a little town called
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garment well it's not a little town it's
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actually pretty big town
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garmisch-partenkirchen this is this is
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not the the hunting tuba festival this
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is not the hunting two battalions it
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down in this is down in Bavaria ok I was
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up in the mountains and I was you know
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where hikers the Germans and
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particularly in the Alps I'm hiking
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around its it's in the it's in the Alps
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and I find a little chapel and it's not
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a it's not a chapel where where
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religious services are the Germans have
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all these little these little chapels in
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the forest because in fact they never
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fully abandoned paganism like determines
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have have adopted Christianity and it
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was one of the hotbeds of Christianity
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in the early years but really they're
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still a pagan people and they go out
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into the forest and they worship berries
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and they worship squirrels and they
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worship leaves and dirt they cover
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themselves with pear juice have sex and
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child's no idea how much it's it's
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so they have little chapels everywhere
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you go you're walking out in the forest
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and you're like I've no one has ever
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been here I'm deep in the forest again
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that drew it kind of thing
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yes there will be little and their their
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christian right there's a jesus in them
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there's a there's across and there's
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Jesus but the jesus is draped in pine
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boughs that someone has recently cut
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some forest hunter has come and draped
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the Jesus with pine boughs and made
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flower garlands that are that they drape
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around the Jesus in a very very pagan
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kind of naturalistic offering to the to
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the forest Christ it's a it's a very
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strange thing out there in the woods of
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Germany let me tell you but I found one
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of these forests chapels up on the side
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of the mountain and on the back wall of
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it there were pictures of all of the all
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of the men from the neighboring town
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that had been killed in the war and they
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were all in there in their uniforms and
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they were to stop Oh guys up there and
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there were SS guys up there and there
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were just a lot of work vermox normal
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guys but they all these pictures on the
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back of this Chapel that you wouldn't
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have been able to see it unless you went
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around and you know kind of like push
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your way through the woods whatever here
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was this shrine to the men of the town
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and they all have their flowers draped
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all over these photographs and they were
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there was obviously tended by people
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from the village that was the only
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instance that I ever saw of like a
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public acknowledgement and it by public
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I mean perch on the side of a cliff
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somewhere but still outside of someone's
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let's get this kind of this temple or or
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or mausoleum to these guys these Nazi
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and instead look for saying for some
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reason I'm thinking about the
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slaughterhouse five and you know Billy
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Billy uh Billy Pilgrim is getting you
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know picked up at the end of the war and
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one of that one of the guys I guess it's
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yeah I guess 4445 anyway out one of the
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guys whatever it takes one of the guys
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is a very old man in the mopping up
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party and the other one is like a flick
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of fourteen fifteen-year-old kid or
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I mean it got that bad right after after
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44 8 10 12 pages of like 16 and fifty no
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that's astounding and so you know I said
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I mean like the way this is where we
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really need a separate so for this but I
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mean you know per capita their their
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losses where we r greater than ours in
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terms of losses in in combat you know
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one of the funny things about the story
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of world war two that that it's is it
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never gets told is that after the war of
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course there were Germans before the war
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there were Germans living all through
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what we think of as Poland Czech
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Republic Slovakia Hungary Romania there
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were massive German populations in all
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of Eastern Europe that were historical
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population that had some of them had
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been living some of those areas were
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historically German for 900 years I
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Germans had been living there as the
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resident population surrounded by Slavs
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but it was a German part of Poland read
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it wasn't called Poland then it was you
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know pressure or the Germans colonized
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all of Eastern Europe and after the war
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all those countries doesn't you know
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newly reconstituted countries they
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wanted the Germans out and it didn't
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matter if they if those German families
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have been living in that part of hungry
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for 900 years they wanted the Germans
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out and so there was a massive exodus
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forced exodus of Germans from all of
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Eastern Europe where they were marched
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back to Germany a place where they had
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never lived place you're talking you're
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not interrupt you but you eat we are not
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talking about the people who are quietly
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that that Germany was going to make
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their place more dramatically you're
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talking about like a force like what a
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Stalinist I like relocation like we've
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got to go back we're being forcibly
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repatriated the southeasterly
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repatriated back to Germany a place
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where you have never lived an
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accelerating rate their parents never
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yeah you've been living in Hungary
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albeit speaking German but living in
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hungry for you know your family has been
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here since that is really ambitious seen
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hundred and you are out now you are gone
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and they marched what ended up being
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like a million people uh villagers
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basically like march them back to
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Germany and they all arrived in Germany
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which was completely bombed out
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resourceless smoking hole of like war
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rubble and then office and all these
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other people showed up who had never
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lived a day of their lives in germany
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and they're like well hi purple we're
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here to you got room got room at the
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bombed-out in for us and our and my six
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kids whatever it was a it was it's a
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thing that it's part of the world war
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two stories doesn't get old because all
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the people that got hurt in that war
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like the some little like burgermeister
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from Hungary that had to walk back to
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Germany is like it's pretty small
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potatoes considering what else was
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happening in 1946 and but in fact
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there's like a million people being
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forced marched back to a country that
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they've never that they never lived in
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its it's one of the like untold stories
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what do you know about down i think we
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might miss this for what you know about
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the but what they now call it you know
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the fillmore Western dish in japantown
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what do you know about the relocations
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in San Francisco
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yeah you know about that no I mean and
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this is something i should probably bone
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up on for the official Hitler and stuff
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but there used to be a you know a large
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Japanese population ocean in japantown
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and but but also you know moving into
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what has become to call you know the
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western addition which is really kind of
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the westernmost part as its name implies
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of San Francisco for a long time right
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and but the way I understand it is that
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at the time they started
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the what's called the interment like you
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know a lot of people get sent to like
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fucking Arizona you know they were sent
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to these really far away places on the
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middle of nowhere angel island out in
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the middle of San Francisco Bay is where
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like a whole bunch of japanese people
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had to go and live for several years
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they lived there where they were there
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as a part of a relocation where they
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eventually were sent airzone actually
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lived on angel island
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I believe that's the case I think
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there's am there's like a visitor center
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there's like a whole historic thing out
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there ya go google it
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um but yeah pretty bad news but the
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story goes that a lot of their homes
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were basically they were sent to angel
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island and in their homes were placed a
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lot of people who are going to work in
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the factories which has it happened
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where a lot of african-american people
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so they pushed out a hostage ethics
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people gave their homes over to the i'm
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sorry i'm using the term I don't like to
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eat in the black Negro people and and
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they worked in the the shipyards and all
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that and then after those jobs went away
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it's just it's it's pretty amazing the
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kind of shit that goes on in a war and
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depending on who won and who gets to put
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find out about to start entering the
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that's absolutely just true as well
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teacher said some families are still
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fighting the Civil War
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yeah he was an idiot yeah the japantown
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in seattle was similarly decimated and
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then after the war they it had it also
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become kind of a shantytown and they
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tore it down to build one of the very
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first public housing projects in America
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on the site of Seattle's you know like
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historic hundred-year-old japantown and
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the Japanese of the of the Pacific
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they didn't want to live in japan town
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project called a Rainier Vista and then
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when they were building the freeway
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course they plowed the freeway right
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through there because that was nobody
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was gonna fight for that and so what
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used to be japantown is now basically
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just spits just a sinkhole where where
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the freeway runs hardy pretty sad story
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my dad you know my dad of course grew up
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in Seattle and she all of many of his
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friends in the thirties were Japanese
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and I I used one with my dad when we had
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a funeral for my dad here in Seattle it
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was in a up the up the lobby of a big
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hotel and I published a obituary for him
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in the newspaper because I knew that a
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lot of these guys were out there that
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there wasn't anywhere any other way to
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reach him but like but I put a big
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obituary in the paper and they the
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newspaper wrote an article about him and
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so were at his funeral service and all
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these little old dudes start walking in
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these little 88-year old Japanese guys
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that are and they're all about four foot
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eleven and I'm walking around I'm like
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Hello you know I'm John Roderick i'm
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david Roderick's kid and these guys are
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like oh god your dad was such a good
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basketball player that and my dad would
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tell the stories where he went to
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Broadway high school in Seattle which is
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since been turned into a community
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college but he said Broadway high school
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was undefeated in basketball because we
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had all the Japanese students and the
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Japanese were the absolute best
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basketball players in the city and my
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educating me most of my dad's closest
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friends were either Jews or Japanese
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this is before the war and so when when
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the Pearl Harbor was bombed
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dad used to tell the story he went down
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to japan town to visit a friend of his
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and he showed up at the house and they
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were being forced to sell all of their
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stuff have I told you this story know
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and my dad sits in the living room and
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his friends mom is standing in the
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doorway and a and a 0 a white guy cums
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you know in a fedora and walk through
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the house like he owns the place and he
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says I'll give you five dollars for the
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refrigerator and his friends mommys like
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it's a brand new refrigerator you know
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it cost sixty dollars or something that
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guys like well today is worth five bucks
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and they were like okay five bucks five
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and this guy gonna walk to their house
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and he buys all their stuff all their
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furniture and their new appliances and
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just as paying them like insulting money
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that is kind of insulting about it and
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my dad is 19 years old and sitting there
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in his basketball shoes just furious
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just wanted to punch this guy in the
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face but the his friends and their
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family was they were being like put on a
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train and sent out to central California
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where they were going to live in a camp
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for the rest of the war and my dad went
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down and enlisted in the Navy and was
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sent to fight the Japanese and hit
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throughout the whole war he's having
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this very common and something that's
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what I think specific to the Pacific
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you know these guys who grew up with
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Japanese in there the Nisei were there
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where tightest bros and they did not
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they did not have that same feeling that
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I think a lot of Americans have that the
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Japanese were dehumanized or we're like
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this alien Thorin people my dad was like
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my friends sister but these are my guys
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these guys are great basketball players
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I mean they're not tall guys but I
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really you know they take it to the net
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so the rest of his life it anyway
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sitting in his funeral and watching all
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these little guys come in and like stand
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around and especially given this it had
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you known about this basketball stuff
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oh yeah he talked about his whole life
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you know that but you also never shot a
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zero out of the sky was 45 there in my
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dental stories but in fact like like
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like a lot of men in my family if you
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start to doubt that those stories are
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true then I'll a guy will walk in off
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the street and be like oh absolutely i
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watched your dad shoots zero down with a
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45 like I i waited my whole life for
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that guy to come in and say like yeah
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sure I saw it happen because his stories
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were constantly confirmed by you know by
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independent sources by these weird
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situations where but I did not expect
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that many that many i didn't expect that
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many of these guys to still be alive but
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let alone that they would all come in
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and talk about talk about seattle before
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the war you know and that they all were
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the that either either they went into
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the army or they spent the war in camps
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and they came back to Seattle afterwards
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and started really you know started
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their businesses up again and
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it's something soon I'm sure that much
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of it is I mean I have done I I again
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I'm not consider and surf the internet
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for this but supposedly in a lot of the
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camp's they sit around like make fucking
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yeah there-there there-there are
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patriotism was if you like unflagging
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it's just that's my blanket but like
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even the thing is you it's like this
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before but when you first see color
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photos of World War two
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it changes completely because it looks
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like pictures of vietnam in the sense
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that when you see a bunch of guys energy
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is in the jungle in color it looks so
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different and so much more
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that sounds silly but it seems so much
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more real your father having first-hand
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experience of of dealing with people
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with japanese ppl makes that such a
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complicated thing I think for a lot of
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people what we're too is this high
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contrast black and white war in every
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conceivable sense where I you know you
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see pictures of Hitler up there you're
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sending pictures of Hitler practicing
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you know you talk about practicing at to
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sign the his moves he would practice his
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moves and have people photograph and
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then pick out which of his like
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stentorian speaking moves be most
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effective that's what you see but go
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listen to something like this is there's
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these singers like the comedian harness
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which was this group of like mostly
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Jewish guys you know they were part of
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that whole crazy party scene in like
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Berlin you know you want something like
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forgetting you know cabaret it's it was
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raging and and it's so bizarre to see
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and I thought this was handled well in
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like what's at the adrienne watch
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malayalam movie the piano it's called
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The Pianist don't like appearance just
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that sense of impending downhill pneus
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that you know that like it started out
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it was a real slow burn at first it was
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merely insulting treatment but to know
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that these are people that there were so
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many people who are wealthy that had
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roots there you know that's me where it
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becomes a staggering is when you take
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the contrast of seeing like newsreel
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footage of people doing the Charleston
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or whatever and sitting around you know
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in expensive clothes and know that those
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people will be dead in like fuckin ten
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what's incredible is that the the
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intellectual life of Europe
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for at least 400 years prior to the 20th
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century was so threaded through with
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Jewish intellectual culture you couldn't
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separate them that the up in the 1700
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the Germans were already you know
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worried that the Jews were kind of
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getting above their station or whatever
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and there they were always trying to
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make the separation between like this is
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high german culture this is German
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thinking this is German art but the Jews
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and their intellectual culture work were
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already like like a plaid through all of
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like European culture and to think that
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to think that in the 20th century that
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they would still be this idea that you
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could you can eradicate what had what
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was ultimately like a culture that was
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your that was your culture you could not
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separate just as we could not separate
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Jewish culture from American culture now
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all of our culture is hats at ultimately
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when you trace it back to who wrote it
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it was probably a couple of Jewish guys
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in a room somewhere you know there is no
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American there is no 20th century pop
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culture without the Jews without Jewish
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culture he couldn't you can see the way
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to put it right you know what I mean
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there's no television there is no rock
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and roll sure a lot of cool movies we
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wouldn't have you know what I mean
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there's no there is no American
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literature there is no without and i'm
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not saying that they that the the Jews
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are responsible for it all but their
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influence their participation in the in
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the culture you could its inextricable
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and the idea that it's that that it
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ended and this was absolutely true in
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Germany even to a greater extent in the
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seventeen eighteen and nineteen hundreds
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are you know the thoroughly 20th century
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it was just as threaded in their culture
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as it is an hour's the the presence and
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the participation of the Jews and to
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think that there was ever away or just
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to even imagine that it was a separate
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well that's that that's the really
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bananas things I guess as
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selling an hour then i read about the
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different you know patches in the camps
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and at every stage this is it's it's
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fascinating and incredibly well
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organized how they did this it's really
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bizarre you know they had some for aroma
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they had some for people who and things
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like homosexuals the other pink triangle
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was really any kind of any anybody who
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had become been convicted of a sex crime
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in court with what was specifically just
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like trying to be
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yeah that happened to be mostly mostly
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gay people but i was also pedophiles
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anybody up it could be like man and dog
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lady horses but no but that's what
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that's what I'm trying moment and then
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and green ones they call him the green
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triangles was like the criminals and
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again but then truly and this is like
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happens from a design standpoint you had
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to get a special extra yellow one to
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form a star of david if you were Jewish
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look how dark is that but everything
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that you see absolutely Jews were
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singled out for special treatment but in
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the same way it would be bananas for us
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to say let's take out all the Jewish
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culture and then call an American well
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what was happening over there
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how do you come up with something that's
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purely German culture how do you take
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out the Dutch component of that how do
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you take out the French component of
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that how do you take out the you know I
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again what is that what's going to be
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left its that you have less than two
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busy at that point it's just it doesn't
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it's it's so bananas that you can get to
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a point where that seem like anything
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sensible interests is crazy now when you
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read it in the newspaper every single
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day there are people talking about
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American culture like it is a monolithic
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thing that they can identify the
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components of and and these other things
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like hispanics or any kind of
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immigration the or or us people out here
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on the west coast with their faggy ways
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and our rock music or whatever it is
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like there are tons and tons of people
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in America that think that there is an
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American culture that is being assaulted
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by all these these terrifying outside
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influences and it's like there is no
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the terrifying outside influences are
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absolutely American culture staring you
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that's it's a I mean the Germans the
[TS]
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Germans were so traumatized by Napoleon
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although the love that's the story
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starts all the way back the story starts
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with the the Germans fighting the Romans
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but but that the situation with Napoleon
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was that before Napoleon the Germans
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were all there was no central idea of
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what what the Germans were they were it
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was just it was kind of like this this
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idea that this village is full of
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Germans and this village is full of
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these other Germans and this village is
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full of these other Germans and they're
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really more much more concerned with
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bickering over the line between their
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little their little do cheese then they
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are with worry about anybody outside you
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know there that they were not centrally
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there was no central control that was
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pressure there was Austria but there
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were all these little you know has say
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castle principalities and so forth and
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Napoleon came through and just
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absolutely smeared them all the French
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marched in and they subjugated all of
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the Germans and it was really the first
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time the Germans had been United was
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under the boot of france i was so
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traumatic for them
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did you just invent that it was those
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first time they've been United was under
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the boot of France
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oh no I i think that well yes maybe
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sorry but that's really good
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maybe I coined it and so that was so
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traumatic that when they went when
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Napoleon was finally defeated it left
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this lasting impact on the Germans like
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we need to get our shit together we need
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to be the Germans we need to stop
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fighting or we need to stop bickering
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over you know the who owns the covered
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bridge over this over this river over
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the river Saul and we need to say we are
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giant kick in the balls that led to the
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family in the wheelbarrows full of marks
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around they're still there still bullets
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yeah hundred years later various I was
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humiliating the Germans for
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and-and-and-and the case of their side
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humiliating them for no good reason just
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humiliating like that war ended world
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war one ended in a draw and like had
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they fought themselves to a standstill
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there was there was never going to be a
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winner to world war one and the idea
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world war one is pretty ludicrous
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basically I mean germany just kind of
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nobody ever there was no big victory
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they're all three countries Britain
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France and Germany they all lost more
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than a million men and and it was it was
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a standstill and by the end of that war
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it should have been like you know what
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ok let's just shake hands and say the
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war is done let's just stop doing this
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that's basically what happened the
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Americans came in there like over there
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over there and everybody went out fuck
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here they are ok we surrender I guess I
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mean when the Germans the Germans ended
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the war they honestly felt like okay you
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know what let's just let's just stop
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they had no idea that and you said
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people who thought the terms of course I
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should not be that crazy just because
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they knew how monkey balls this would
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make them once they got the chance
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like imposing all these massive
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sanctions on Germany it was all
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Clemenceau and that's this kind of
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French mentality that like now we get
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ours and she's we are gonna and we're
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gonna shame the Germans were going to
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punish them they're never ever gonna
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they're never gonna do this again and it
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was a it was a bit was super bad move
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and really like it relative to how that
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war was fought and what the how it
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turned out it was just like it was just
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a bitch slap you think it would make a
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do you really think it would have made
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it less likely that the things we've got
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as bad as they did you think it was its
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tongue that hard that that there was
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some kind of a few like a tipping point
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where if that had not been as owners and
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people could have bounce back faster it
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was there was no ver side there would
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have been no hit but there's just less
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force I mean had it was a very with
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their reparations what was a tell me a
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little bit of foresight you get
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reparations like literally owners
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reparations you've got you can't have a
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standing army over 100,000 or something
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uh well you also lost the something
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germany lost not inconsiderable amounts
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of their territory to France but but
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more than that it was a it was that I
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mean awesome the big effect of
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Versailles was was as a result of
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trianon which was kind of separate sub
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treaty where they redrew the borders of
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all of Eastern Europe the modern Hungary
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of versailles modern romania
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the whole idea of of slovakia really
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countries there their borders were all
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drawn up in that treaty as a way of
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punishing austria in particular um but
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the i mean the the reparations that
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Germany had to pay to France bankrupted
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the nation more more than that though it
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was just this it was it was that it was
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the institutionalized humiliation of the
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Germans that was like completely
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unnecessary you look at the end of world
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war two where America instituted the
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Marshall Plan which was listen not only
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we're not going to shame you but not
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only are going to make it nicer than it
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was before that not only are we not
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going to tax you were going to show you
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how we're going to do we're going to
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show you with money how we think how we
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suggest maybe we can make this a better
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place and we got so much mileage off of
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that it's really we made what so until
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about until just about let's say maybe
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about nine years ago eight years ago
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week we had so much we got so much of a
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pass on stuff maybe even stuff we didn't
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deserve just because people were still
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like drinkin out of those wells or
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whatever I mean just still driving on
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those roads it's my blow but we remade
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the world to I mean modern Europe is a
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is in in so many ways a product of the
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Marshall Plan a product of that American
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what you would call i think the
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Wilsonian idealism the idea that America
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is able to be altruistic you know and
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there are a lot of cynics that would
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that we're going to poopoo that and get
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get slobber on the front of their bibs
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but but that altruism of like when would
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not only we're not going to punish you
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were going to stand in front of anybody
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who wants to punish you and we are going
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to pour money into this country to
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develop to redevelop your industry the
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industry that we just bombed into rubble
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we're going to build it back up for you
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and turn it over to you
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and all we ask is that you not started
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more Wars does that sound cool and you
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know it's amazing in retrospect
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especially for somebody and this issue
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again that and the the gulf between the
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classic idea of of consumer like in the
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old days when Republicans being a
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Republican being conservative mostly
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meant being financially conservative by
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and large system
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yeah or it but it also meant like we all
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agree that what's good for businesses is
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good for America in some ways and think
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about the marshall plan is something
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also we're creating markets anything
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about how many of our biggest trading
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partners over the next 30 years came
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straight out of countries that that that
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we were trying desperately to destroy
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and then help rebuild and I mean
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Japanese of the drink Japanese and
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Germans I mean it to the strongest
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economies in the world right i just i
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just googled this just so that I had my
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but the in 1921 the amount of
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reparations demanded of Germany was the
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equivalent of 100,000 tons of pure gold
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which was at the time represented more
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than fifty percent of all the gold ever
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mined in history
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so is that this day there's the insult
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of this impossible thing being put on
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the table and then there's the 10x
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insult if you have no fucking choice but
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to sign it right it's that kind of kind
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of like users and unless that's that
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we're not here to defend the Chairman
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but like you know it's about to sign it
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because and really this is think we're
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all out of food and that was it wasn't
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like Germany you have to sign the treaty
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of versailles because you are out of
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food and France is sitting here like
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sipping from the milk of human kindness
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remember but France was out of food to
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like everybody was out of food
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yeah England didn't come out of that for
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like another one like five or eight
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years that England is still recovering
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for war world war one that they lost
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their in an entire generation of men and
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what you want to be a dumbass something
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about world war two of course I
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apologize that was a stupid thing to say
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no well right in England in England got
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back for more work to a little bit
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faster let's take that long to come out
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of World War one
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let's say let's say England was back
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in 1985 well 89 let's say between take
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45 in 1989 they were just limping along
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i mean it looked pretty hot in London
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but baby I think we get I think we can
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thank you asus entire yeah it was always
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really it was it was it was mad gesture
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you know it was that it was the happy
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mondays that really brought in one back
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but no I mean I that the 1919 there were
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no Englishman left I mean that an entire
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generation of of and probably what what
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you could arguably say was going to be
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England's most brilliant generation
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those guys to the that though what it
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looked like in 1914 if you could be in
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1914 and imagine what they thought the
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next 10 years was going to be who it was
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going to be the most fertile time in
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English history I swear to you that was
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that it was just it was that there was
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this feeling in the air in 1914 that
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anything was possible modernism was
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happening there was a there was a
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culture there was a culture of
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literature there was people were moving
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away from like colonialism was kind of
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on the wane but that but they still had
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all the power of uh of of like their
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far-flung colonies intellectually it
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wasn't very fashionable anymore but
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there was still like they still had all
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the strength it was a it was this
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incredibly fertile time it was all
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across Europe you think about the
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industry Cal art in germany and austria
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all of the sort of bauhaus e klimt II
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kind of like you go to those cities you
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go to those those little towns in the
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czech republic that were not bombed out
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by the war where the architecture is
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this incredibly feminine beautiful arc
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texture and public planning where the
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the city's feel incredibly solid but
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there's a femininity to everything that
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you don't you don't associate with the
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Germans but released their list of
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fragility when you look at the
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expressionist there's a certain to such
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a fragility I everything in such a such
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a questioning of your own perception of
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things I don't know an emotional
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presence in an emotional awareness that
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was actually taking shape in the waste
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in the with towns were built and in the
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way it in it in such small things like
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men's fashion and and I mean it was it
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was this incredibly sensitive time and
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everyone was killed the everyone through
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the whole continent was just massacred
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and at the end of it there was nothing
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it was just the shards of memory and
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where they're still trying to recapture
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it's the the tragedy of it will who will
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send me into a blue funk and really well
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but uh what was lost and we think about
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history being a thing that like oh it's
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inevitable that happened right history
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there it is and you never think about
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what could have been but small
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differences back then could have
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produced an entirely different world now
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we can't even imagine we they they felt
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at the time that they were on the cusp
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of discovering a new way a new way in
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music a new way in our new way in
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politics they were they believed that it
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was the dawn of a renaissance and I and
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I think it was too and that Renaissance
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was was just wiped off the off the earth
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well I mean yes and think about think
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about where we got all our guys to make
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the bomb think about like what it was
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was so much education the value they
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were all use the word choice though
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yeah and but I mean that was this was it
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was also there is there was so much
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crazy stuff happening in education
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scholarship you name it
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butBut you and you know I think there's
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a reason several reasons it's not the
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story of something like Anne Frank
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resonates with us because you know it
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was a child and an innocent
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and it was complicated thing and like
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owen fucking a if it had been like one
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more month she might have lived is such
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an awful story but you know what really
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gets us is it's one story that we can
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understand its unbearable to think about
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the number of people who died but you
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know it's also it's just all so
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unbearable to think about how many of
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their own people they killed certain
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people from all over the place and and
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but you know I for me this is the weird
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thing you want to get off on these Jags
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as Hitler jags on wikipedia and i'll go
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and look at the section that says I'm
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calling on my butt's like certainly
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things like musicians who died in the
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holocaust right or you go you could go
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and read about writers who died
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you could certainly read about gosh you
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read about writers that were just get
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killed in the pins in the field in World
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it is standing how much I certainly was
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a pointless are necessary but how much
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just like senseless death on both sides
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happened to level like some of the best
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minds of the generation and sometimes
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you don't see it until you go like
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fucking trumpet players who died oh
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that's right home but you know I'm
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saying like you wouldn't take it down to
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that level and then you go and read
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about that one person you know and that
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that resonates as you especially the
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anne frank thing I mean like that's
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that's such a cliche but i mean its
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original story that's been passed but
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the whole fucking idea that she died of
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the disease like seriously wasn't like a
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month before they liberated the camp
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yeah I mean and this is the kind of town
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that you can expect from Hitler and
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well we're gonna find it we're gonna
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find it we're gonna find easy answers
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this is gonna be a fun podcast really
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this is I think we got something here
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John it's astonishing to me though is
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that you know when you think about like
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all the writers that diner all the
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trumpet players that time you think
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about that in terms of like all there
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might be a couple fewer books there
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might be a few few few more a trumpet
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solos or whatever but but the reality is
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that we the culture that we're living in
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now is a product of the people that
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survived the war
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mhm and thinking about all the people
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who didn't survive the war and the
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culture that they would have produced
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and where we would be now are our
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understanding of the human condition
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that would have resulted from those
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trumpet solos and books that didnt get
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written is on its own it's unfathomable
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how far I think how far behind we are
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where we where we would have been and
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it's impossible to measure it's about it
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it's it's a it's numbing to think about
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but I read an article in the newspaper
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the other day it was the 60th
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anniversary or another well as at the
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70th anniversary just a couple of days
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belle of the day that all of the Jews
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and France were marshaled into the
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trains and this woman who survived the
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war was talking about she and her five
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brothers and sisters were standing in
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this camp with they were in the camp
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with their mother and their father was
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was somewhere else working and the word
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went out through the camp ok tomorrow
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all the mothers are going so say
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good-bye good-bye and they spent all
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night huddled together and then in the
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morning huddled together crying and then
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in the morning they came and these are
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Germans these are French men who were
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working for the Germans who came in the
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morning and took the mothers away and
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put them on a train and sent them to the
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gas chambers and imagining that now as a
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these kids you know with their hands
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through the barbed wire fence as their
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as their mother is being led away by
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like a local guy and being put on a
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it was just it's one of those moments
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where you think about the Holocaust all
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the time were raised thinking about
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World War two but but the unfathomable
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inhumanity of those small moments was
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just like that guy who probably lived
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the rest of his life in france was never
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prosecuted for it he woke up every
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remembering that what he did
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you couldn't help but remember it you
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could not help but be haunted by it
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every day of your life and all through
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France there are you know a million
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stories of that and this is the thing we
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think about all we walk around Germany
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and all they've erased all the swastika
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is but there are a million people in
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France with a similar story with a
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similar picture in their attic if they
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don't bring down because it's a picture
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of granddad in his like collaborationist
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cop outfit but what it would take to do
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that what how your mind would I I got
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into this long correspondence with a
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professor at the University of
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Washington when I was walking across
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Europe where I was saying listen it is
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gone from Germany whatever that
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mentality was the I cannot find it
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anywhere i talk two Germans every day
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what about the war what about the war
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what about the Holocaust what did your
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family do what are your feelings about
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it and it is gone
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whatever it was that that made that
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happen is no longer here you could not
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get the Germans to do it again right but
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the fact that it was only 40 years ago
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at the time for 50 years ago and the
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fact that it is completely erased now
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means that it is in my opinion in all of
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us all the time like it is never gone
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it's always there because it was it
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because it happened so simply it you
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know there was a series of factors sure
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but the people in Europe or waiting for
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the opportunity to become monsters and
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I'm and I believe that we are all human
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beings waiting for the opportunity to
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become monsters it is in us because the
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inhumanity it would require of a person
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to reach through a fence and take
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another away from her child and put her
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on a train is it it's it's it's so
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unfathomable that in fact
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i think is like this this dormant
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monster that is in all human beings and
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this professor at the U who I admire
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very much kept writing me saying do you
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honestly believe that do you really
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believe there could be a holocaust in
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the United States and I was like so
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here's the problem i don't believe it
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could have happened in Germany i'm
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standing in Germany surrounded by
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Germans every day and I don't believe it
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could have happened here but he did and
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so if you are standing in America and
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you don't believe it could happen
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that's the problem and and that's what
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really well played but all it was also
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amazing is in some sense is you could
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ask yes people anywhere in the world
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anytime after say you know what happened
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to the Armenians any say i will put a
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little bit of our losing Turkish
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listeners but you start you say like
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will could there ever be a situation
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where millions of people were basically
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exterminated in one of those civilized
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countries in the world and of course
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everybody when in 1928 say now and in
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1938 probably say now
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weirdly enough a lot of people in 1940
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would have said now a lot of people in
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1950 would still be saying now of course
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there are people today who not only say
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that didn't happen but it can happen and
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it's it you're right you're right it is
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the this still insanely relative recency
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of that the fact that we still no family
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members who would never even drive in a
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BMW or or toyota but but also I mean
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it's just all along the way it is
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actually so inconceivable the the scale
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of it and yet it is is so incredibly
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present and yet it is it's that very
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presence that makes it so hard to accept
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you know and I you know this is part of
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me that wonders how many Holocaust
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revisions people are are are just
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bananas and how many people how many of
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them know they're lying and how many of
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them just frankly can't grok the
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staggering nature of it and think that
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there's no logical way that it could
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notnot to apologize for that but like
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it's something that is almost impossible
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when you watch this film was when you
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went to go see count cabinet of dr.
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Caligari when we take up any of the
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German culture that was just like
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happening at the time that did you know
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what the people who would be college-age
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would be dying it's it's it's staggering
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how quickly that happened
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mmm really is for Hitler and stuff yeah
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this is gonna be good
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I really like this podcast it's gonna be
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so fun did you know that raccoons are
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native to North America and were
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introduced into Germany right before the
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war by a game warden who said why don't
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we why don't we turn some of these
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little funny bear's loose in Germany so
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that the hunters will have something new
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to shoot what could possibly go wrong
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what could go wrong
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so now there are millions of raccoons in
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Germany the germans call them wash Baron
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meaning little bears that wash
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themselves that's a sweet it is we
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accept that Germany is divided between
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half the determines who think that the
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little wash bears are cute and the other
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half of the Germans you feel like the
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little wash bears are massive pain in
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the ass because they're like breaking
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into their homes and stealing their
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stereo equipment and it's it's a minute
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the pictures other ones that are really
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into Los paradises Washburn choice and
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Mike's rock you know about new tree is i
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dunno about nutrients but why don't you
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tell us about nutrient have you ever
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seen a nutria I have never in the flesh
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seen a nutria I understand that they are
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they are big like they are fucking
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horrific like beavers right there bigger
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yes they are but here's the thing
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imagine imagine all of the worst aspects
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of impossible for mr. rat that's because
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i'm awesome flat a fever
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ah American whether it's like this part
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of their any bad qualities about a
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well if you see with a rat's tail you
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might change your mind yeah I think
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you're right it's a look at
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I can look at it and look at the top I
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don't want to look at they're so gross
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I've been anywhere when you make it
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oh you've seen nutrients in real life I
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was in New Orleans long time ago and
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probably the early nineties and we're
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driving around our friends like all new
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trees they're everywhere story goes and
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adding your your Big Chief tablets i
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fear that my profile or without might
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seal permanently and we're driving
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around and then again with it wasn't
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Kristin was that her name
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Christie was saying like oh you know
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about the nutrients and I was like I
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don't know anything about the nutrients
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and i'm not going to read this but I'm
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just from memory the story goes the in
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the midst of the whole like roaring
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twenties was it was it bear code
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remember you're already got there they
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were trying to make gonna make a beaver
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coat or whatever they're all these like
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animal skin coats that everybody was
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buying that were like a less costly
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version of like first but yeah because
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you see you're writing your writing in
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the rumble seat of somebody out and your
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fraternity you're wearing a straw boater
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and your stuff as many guys as you can
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into a phone booth and you Coco you want
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to treat well because the thing was now
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the understandably this was going to be
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to this was like the knockoff rubik's
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cube of hairy coats because they were
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going to do there's no way they could
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come up with demand keep up with the
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demand so i apologize if i have to go to
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correct this later but the story goes
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they started raising all of these in a
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serious i really encourage you to go and
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look at images of these creatures I'm
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going to go look at it
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I think you're going to see how it is
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really the worst of almost everything
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but where did they come from originally
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nutrients well let's go to the wikipedia
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i actually really understanding is that
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now they're trying to serve them in
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restaurants down there they're trying to
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do you think anything will build houses
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out of them if they can now women it's
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called a coypu yeah from my boo dungan
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our center is a river at where oh i see
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LOL kappa Duncan isn't is a language
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that the Duncan is the map originally
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originally from from sell children
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America and see but going to scroll down
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a little now you know beavers got orange
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teeth but this one's got super orange
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teeth and look at it just look at every
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how back to that Red those t see how big
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and she's talking about this is also
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here's the story so the story goes then
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then the bottom falls out of the market
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for fucking animal coats and you know
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what they did they opened up the cages
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what could possibly go wrong look at him
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and like so many of these kinds of
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creatures they breed prodigiously and
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now they run around New Orleans and I
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thought oh that's very funny if memory
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serves Kirsten Kristin know there's no
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sanitary system must be and she said
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well I one point we're driving along she
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goes oh look out the window like look at
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the you know like the median strip and
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this thing it the way that it was
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ambling it's horrifying the way this
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thing moves and it's so much fucking
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bigger than you think I mean it is like
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you know like when you see directly to
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go haha raccoon but if you really see a
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raccoon like when you saw that Mama
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shied away 15 20 pounds right
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oh yeah she's a big girl yeah so what I
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wanted these way I don't know but I love
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here that they they have the
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conservation status on a on a sliding
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scale from extinct yes to train for at
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least concern that's not every animal
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page and it always makes me laugh
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there is no concern about this is a
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status that says fuck you animal
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we are not concerned about about the
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corporate now these things run around
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they run around they're fucking
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everywhere and really go look at lots of
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pictures of these because you're not
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going to sleep well tonight and now they
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have this whole thing I think for a
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while they had a bounty thing I think is
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on cable with actually got and you go
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out and try to shoot these things and
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now i think there was actually like a
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yeah oh absolutely i knew about that and
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that they were trying to try to convince
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people that it was good they were good
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eating and that in New Orleans you could
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go in and get nutrient gumbo guarantee
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but you know you think of beavers cute
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that beavers cute enough but you know
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it's just I'm you know I'm clicking on
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some of this stuff and the number of
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pop-up pop-up ads that just came up i
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haven't seen a pop-up ad something since
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1995 we might have a windows virus on
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your Mac how do you get a windows virus
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on your back straight
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god I got date-raped and now i'm looking
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at but you don't think they'll be always
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killing beavers cute enough but a a
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beaver has fucking orange teeth and
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use this ain't no beaver it's got you
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ever seen a possum and it's got that
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really nice-looking rat tail on it like
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a big penis rat tail there's the possums
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all over Seattle I think the child to
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bleach on a possum once this story oh
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that's terrible did you really know
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here's the series is my last day start
[TS]
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something ridiculous like josh stewart
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of Springfield Oregon crawled under a
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house on a plumbing job it was nearly at
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the back of the house when he heard a
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noise behind him and turned to c5 baby
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nutrients between him and the way out
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his first thought was where's the mother
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then he saw three adults closing in on
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him the first one Randy kicked it there
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wasn't much room to maneuver in the
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20-inch crawl space but he managed to
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get ahold of rock and smashed it
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repeatedly in the head
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this guy is a super commando unit number
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under the South killing neutral brought
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the 2nd one handed him and his leg in
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toward his face so he grabbed it and
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this guy's drenched in blood at this
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point one of the babies as well he is my
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God we're reading this almost dying
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Mengel of nutrients
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that wraps it up quite neatly oh no way
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can we put this out
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