181: You`re the Christopher Reeviest
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quinn marc production in color
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tonight's episode singing the song hey
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diddle diddle the cat and the bird
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special guest star tony franciosa act 1
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and unusual delivery and Tom couple
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number 181 february2014 go back to the
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incomparable i'm your host Jason smell
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and i'd like to introduce my panel we're
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going to be discussing something not a
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particular work more like a trend little
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bit about casting a little bit about
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franchises departure for us i think it
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will be fun but I've been wrong before
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so let's try it and see what happens
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Andy and Nicole joins me for this
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adventure the down strange paths hi Andy
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hi Jason I today I good to have you here
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Jason brightman is here not this is not
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a comic book club episode but and it's
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getting to where i am it's been a little
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while but your back and it's great to
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have you here back it's great to be here
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thanks Erica and sign also joins us on
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hello hello David Laura also joins us
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hello there the other day I'm i read a
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new story about how Disney and paramount
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and Lucasfilm which is owned by disney
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now may I came to an arrangement for the
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disposition of the Indiana Jones
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franchise and most specifically the
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first four or as we like to call it
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three movies Indiana Jones series
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why would we call it for I don't
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understand that's a strange joke it
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doesn't make any sense there are only
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three Indiana Jones movies so they
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remain in the possession of paramount
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and of course Lucasfilm has its existing
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relationship there and they share the
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profits and whatever that is so future
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blu ray sales and downloads and whatever
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40 and a time will be shared but new
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movies with the question was new movies
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in the Indiana Jones series if ever
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there would be some who would do them
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what with the deal being so as a part of
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this deal what terms undisclosed disney
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can now make Indiana Jones movies and
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that franchise can move forward and
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Steven Spielberg and George Lucas
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occasionally talk about
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another Indiana Jones movie and it
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struck me that Harrison Ford not a
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he has as my notes say getting very old
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he's he's you know he looks great but
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he's getting up there
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time time happens to everybody and I
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thought to myself you know they're
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inevitably they will cast a new Indiana
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Jones at some point and that led me down
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this interesting rabbit hole which is no
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you can be the judge about with this
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rabbit hole is interesting i can tell
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you that there's been a rabbit down here
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it's what happens when a character goes
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from being a attached singularly to is
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to an actor the character is the actor
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and that's just how it is and that
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moment where it becomes something
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different now this this happens all the
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time in let's say the theater where
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you've got different actors playing the
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role in different productions you know
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Shakespeare's famous parts there's no
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one definitive romeo juliet or King Lear
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or any any character you can name
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because that that part has been played
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there may be ones that we like better a
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hamlet that we like better or worse but
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many actors play those parts but Indiana
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Jones has only ever been at least as an
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adult I know the young indiana jones bit
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ly let's not go there
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it'sit's Harrison for he is the main
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Indiana Jones this was true with all the
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Star Trek characters from the original
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Star Trek until JJ Abrams reboot brought
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in a new crew led by chris pine as james
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t kirk instead of william shatner it's
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also the moment in Doctor Who when they
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decided that doctor who wasn't always
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going to be a show starring william
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hartnell but that they were at as
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detailed in in the excellent TV movie an
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adventure in space and time at the
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moment where they said we're going to
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get somebody else to play this part and
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he's going to transform and become
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Patrick Troughton James Bond another
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good example so i thought that's what we
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would talk about a little bit you know
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worth worth an hour to check talk about
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the pitfalls of making that transition
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you know maybe what we would hope to see
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in the future of the you know some
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franchises do we do we like this idea
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they've been for I think for Jack Ryan's
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now on the movie screen but you know it
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started with alec baldwin we thought
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okay he's going to
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with us a long time and then that was
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one movie and out and about casting in
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general you'll win when is apart so
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iconic that should never be touched is
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there could there ever be such a thing
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you know so casting and franchises and
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when franchises decide to move on and
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move to a different actor this is what
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this is what prompted me to have this
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conversation now that I've kind of get
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done my little brain dump of what I
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wanted to talk about i guess i should
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throw it out there to you guys we know
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Eric let's start with you I know that
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you and I definitely share a great
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affinity for Doctor Who I that was
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certainly one of the first things I
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talked I thought about if if they the
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producers of that show had decided that
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it William Hartnell was the only person
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who could play the doctor this show
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would be essentially a footnote about
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one of it like like quatermass it would
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be this kind of quaint black-and-white
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show on the BBC in the sixties that
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nobody remembers anymore i really mean
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more or less that's what has mostly
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heck yeah it's very hard not they're
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just gone yeah what it would more of
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them have even survived with it even if
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business as a distributed
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internationally if they had only had
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those first two or three seasons
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no probably not and I think I mean in in
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addition to longevity which certainly
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being able to change actors gives you
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that I think a lot of people have argued
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doctor who became what it was the day
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that Patrick Troughton took over and not
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because he was great although he was
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definitely great but just because that
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added that entirely new facet to the
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show and took it in a different
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direction for the first time ever I
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think it was an incredibly bold move and
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I'm it could have turned out terribly
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and people could have could have
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rebelled and stopped watching the show
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and they didn't which you asked a
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question a minute ago
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are there any parts that are so iconic
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that you just should never ever try to
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recast them and personally I feel that
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there's there's no such thing I think
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it's always worth a try
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most of the time it's probably not going
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to work especially like remake some say
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Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory I
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was not a fan of that remake because I
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thought that part was was perfectly
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played by Gene Wilder but sometimes it
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works out really well like in the Doctor
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yeah and it ends up defining the show in
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that show is I feel like that moment
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when they when they cast Patrick
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Troughton to replace William Hartnell is
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the moment that the show went on its
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path that would end up meaning that it
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survived for 50 years and if you know
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not just not just that there's no way if
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you could have a show with one act for
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50 years but that it it changed how we
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thought of that character and and how
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they defined that that show so it could
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renew its itself David you are in
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addition to writing crazy radio dramas
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for us and appearing on almost every
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panel that damn or it doesn't appear on
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you write plays and so I i'm interested
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in your perspective on this from the
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theater side because obviously in the
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theater you know the this isn't parts
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aren't aren't sacred right it's not it
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it's only in movies and TV where we
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really see like oh no I can't believe
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anybody else would be Indiana Jones
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other than Harrison Ford
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oh yeah I mean I'm you were used to
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understudies you know if somebody gets
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sick someone else is going to step into
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that role and you'll find a little slip
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in your ear playbill program that says
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the role of so-and-so will be played at
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this performance by blank and you know
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even even roles that are iconic i mean i
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don't know like Hello Dolly you know you
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think of Carol Channing you might think
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of probaly or Ethel Merman that hasn't
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stopped hundreds and thousands of groups
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from putting the show on you know you
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always have that souvenir of say the
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original cast recording for a musical
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but that's that's how you learn the
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songs when you gonna do in high school I
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was thinking about an iconic stage stage
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character set of characters might I gave
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myself a laugh through my own stupidity
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as I so often do when I thought you know
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I I'm really proud of the fact that I i
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well I was very lucky to see the
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original cast of the producers on
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Broadway so I got to see Nathan Lane and
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Matthew Broderick which is great except
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of course that the original characters
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were zero mostel and gene wilder and his
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right so they made it their own
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you know you ETA you forgot all about
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be at least halfway through the show you
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know at least in that production
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I don't know about other other castes
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but Mei remember when they were
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previewing it and Nathan Lane went on I
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guess was David Letterman and they did
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the opening song basically and up until
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that point it had been kind of you know
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and I don't know if this is gonna work
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and then they do the number and i think
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was you know five minutes long and at
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the end of this it's nito 1230 at night
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yes I want to see that now um so and i
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love the move right there was no no sir
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no sense of sacrilege happening there
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no no not at all it's it's sort of like
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you know you can ask people who was the
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first actor to play James Bond nine out
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of ten people are gonna go home Sean
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Connery it was a guy named Barry Nelson
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in 1955 1956 they did a one hour version
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of casino royale for a CBS show called
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he plays he plays them as an American
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Jimmy bond we think of James Bond and
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he's the closest thing we have to a Time
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Lord who is not a Time Lord you don't
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even people now saying i want to see
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Idris Elba as James Bond well why not
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yeah although the the Jimmy bond thing I
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mean that I think some of this isn't is
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not about who goes who goes first as
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much as a who everybody meets in apart i
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think there's something about that I'm
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Connery right that that is it was on my
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list for sure the idea of it that
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Connery left we left why'd you only live
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twice 11 and they replaced him with
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George Lazenby but but that moment
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Connor left i mean there is there is
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also one of the issues here is will
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audience acceptance I mean will the
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audience except somebody other than sean
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connery in a major motion pictures james
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bond will they accept George lasenby
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maybe not although I I think history a
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lot of people now look back in that
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movie and say it's actually not a bad
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movie and he's fine or you know when
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when Roger Moore you is another
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larger-than-life figure replaces Sean
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comic will people accept that will you
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no will people accept
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Zachary Quinto as Spock right we'll
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we'll people except somebody as the
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second person in the in the part and
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then you know Indiana Jones again to
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come back to that will people except
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some you know modern 35 year old actor
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getting cast as Indiana Jones movie yeah
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what it's like back in the fifties when
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the Lone Ranger was you know a popular
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show on television and supposedly
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clayton moore asked for a raise because
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well it's a popular show and they said
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that anyone can put on the mask so for
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one year in the middle of that run the
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lone Ranger's played by an actor named
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john hart and the audience revolted and
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one year later boom there's clayton
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moore and he got his rays and and you
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think he's wearing a hat and a mask the
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what's the difference but there's just
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something in the way he played it i
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don't know there's definitely a
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I mean I just thinking of Babylon 5 when
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I'm not often on character who is under
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so much makeup you can barely tell who's
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they changed actresses for a one-season
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yeah and yeah I was displeased you can
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tell I'm not the same person
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yeah yeah I mean she was fine but just
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to die it wasn't the Natasha had come to
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Andy what do you think about this
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well we talked about a whole bunch of
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different circumstances here you have I
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i also had a Hello Dolly though i was i
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have the more the more glaring
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difference between is did the diviners
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check Carol Channing and Barbra
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Streisand who was a high-wattage
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Broadway superpower even at the time so
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i can understand why that deal was
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struck but what a damn shame that Carol
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Channing's performance was not recorded
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although perhaps given how bad that
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movie was it was ok i mean you have you
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ok I'm sorry will begin looking back on
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track there are lots of its on the stage
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there's a tradition that here is the
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here is the script for the players the
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music for the play we're going to cast
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and we're gonna mount various production
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so that's kind of goes with those par
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for the course and then there are also
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times when a character just fails to
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launch with the original casting
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yeah you were brought up course James
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Bond but also peter sellers wasn't the
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first person to play clue so that was
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actually Alan Arkin hookah who else
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could play lieutenant Columbo but Peter
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Falk but there was an acrobat by the
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name of bird freed who played the
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trombone the original pilot and you
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could certainly say that those
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characters and those actors prove that
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these characters weren't really great in
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and of themselves that required exactly
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the right actor to bring them to life
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but it's a different thing when you
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start talking about you have an
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established character like hella like
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Indiana Jones i almost said Harrison
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Ford because it's it's her husband Lord
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will now be played by decra spine see
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all the hairs Lord story you'll get
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it gets complicated right every part now
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it is it's it's hard to contemplate
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there's really no need to start them all
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the the necessity of Hollywood to say
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to start creating new movies we can't
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the weed we can't just simply rely on
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the equity that we built out of these uh
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these four movies that we can keep
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selling forever and ever and ever and
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the thing is they're not going to cast a
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35 year old actor they're going to cast
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a 23 24 25 year old actor and it's
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probably not going to be somebody who
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starts off with so that brings so much
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remember that by the time that he was he
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thirties as an archaeologist and he
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that movie and you can't imagine even
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someone 35 years old to 35 year old
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actor today who could jump into that
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role and instantly kick-started that way
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you certainly can't imagine a 25-year
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doing that particularly given that they
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have two sisters from frame 1 they have
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to make us forget about Harrison Ford
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works but you're kind of frustrated by
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that the last guy I just like I think
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everybody else they can come off their
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list of you know trying to say someone
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is gonna be the first to say Darren
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Stevens so I can't say there and Stevens
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they in the city in the sixties when
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they cast actual children in the voice
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of the Peanuts characters for the first
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TV commercial then the then the first
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special and as they age out of the role
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they would hire new children to play
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those roles you don't have a consistency
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that you would have liked of of a bart
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simpson so but that's kind of okay
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because you know the you understand that
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that's that's how they do that through
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the character however now that we know
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that they're working on a new version
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new peanuts movie that is going to be
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done in 3d and to me this is almost
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exactly like recasting the character
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because in the UK even in traditional 2d
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animation you could not get animation
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that was flattered than the animation
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you'd have in the peanuts specials and
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the penis movies
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I mean it really is like looking at
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flatland you had characters that
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couldn't even that they build lenses
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which was talking about how how hard it
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was the first time they had animate
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characters had never been designed to do
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something as simple as touch the top of
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their heads they're so flat and so now
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they have to sort of recast them and try
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to figure out how does this work in 3d
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how does this not only doesn't work in
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three dimensions but how does it work in
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something approximating natural lighting
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where they finally have to say finally
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have to answer the question of what does
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Charlie Brown's head really look like is
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he bald or does he have just like light
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blonde hair that's like--that's so short
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that it it gets drawn as just a few
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the user interface between the the
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character is so closely matched and
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people's heads to Harrison Ford or to
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the way we see Charlie Brown all the
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time it's just going to be such a
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failure of user interface will not be
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able to get into this movie because
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we're going to say
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Shia LaBeouf is not Indiana Jones I
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don't see anybody don't see him
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I don't see him getting out of a problem
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of not being able to open a carton of
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milk let alone being face-to-face with
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temple by a giant rolling stone ball
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that's that's the problem facing he goes
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into the big the big cavern and there's
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a sitting on the pedestal is the is a
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carton of milk and he's like Africans
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we're gonna go where do they make this
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so hard for you could've ended then you
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pull damn so Andy's a gonna just going
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to subtitle this this episode when they
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ruin everything everything you know the
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same let me just post script that it's
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it's always worth trying because because
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there's always if if it's horrible the
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original movie is still there
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I i agree with you that I'd that the the
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remake of Willy Wonka absolutely did
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nothing for me but that didn't affect
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wilder version is still perfect and
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there's always a chance it'll be very
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very good so he gotta get you got it you
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got except that just because you know
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are the new generation Spock might not
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its / is a perfectly valid Spock it's
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perfectly sturdy dr. it's a perfectly ok
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was trying to cast them in the in the
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Star Trek relaunch he said look I don't
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don't do a wave Shatner impression
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oh god don't do that i'm going to do you
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know consider consider all those you
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know classic Shakespeare characters that
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everybody brings their own
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interpretation of the part you know
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impressions uh Karl Urban does a divorce
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articulated eyebrows to be McCoy after
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that do whatever you want just inhabit
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think the actor think of the character
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to this character now I you know any
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other Jones III wasn't even suggesting
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that they would remake raiders of the
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lost ark got that terrifies me but just
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the idea that they make new Indiana
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Jones would say this is Indiana Jones in
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the you know and just like let's pretend
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it never happened and just go on a new
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YouTube in the twenties and I you know
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jason reitman you've been a little
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you've been a little quiet i want to get
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you into the action here what do you
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think about all this
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yeah well i think the and he brings up a
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good point about being too close to the
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one that comes before I think the
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superman movie superman returns with
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Brandon Roth oh yeah it was too much
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like trying to be Christopher Reeve in
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the movie was a little bit too much like
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an homage to the ones that come before
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and it didn't work he definitely was i
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you got the sense he was cast because he
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was the most Christopher Reeve like
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after not right and certainly the most
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Superman like just read like of all the
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Christopher Reeves around here the
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Christopher radius exactly anything like
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the the ones that i think are really
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successful or like the doctor who's or
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James Bond where they don't try to it
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they reinvent the show or the movie not
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just recast the character because the
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the first three doctors those shows bear
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no resemblance to each other they're
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completely different shows the little
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bit less so in the modern era but in the
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James Bond like Daniel Craig is a
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completely different bond then all the
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ones that came before because it's the
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movies are of a different time and
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they're not trying to be the spy drama
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anymore at least not in Casino Royale
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sort of like captured from the very
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first moment i was against Daniel Craig
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when he was cast because he didn't look
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like bond he was you know blonde and
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Jack and I was completely against it
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even as the movie began but by the last
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scene where he finally says bond James
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yeah yeah yeahs that point and they sort
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of used the movie to transition the
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audience as it's all about the magic of
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casting where I was having a discussion
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met at the Denver Comic Con on a panel
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ones because they're people who they're
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getting also they're getting all worried
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because there's rumors that oh my god
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they're thinking about the new Fantastic
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casting a black actor as a human torch
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we cannot have this happen and the thing
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is it's it's all about casting the right
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actor with if the if you cast the right
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actor guaranteed like three minutes
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after they make their first appearance
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you the the audience forgets all about
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whatever they thought this character
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look like getting back to the producers
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i also was lucky enough to see the
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producers during the Broadway run and to
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me whenever I think of max max
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think of the original actor i still
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think of gene wilder as as Leo because I
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don't think Matthew Broderick really
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worked but again if you cast right it
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tellin it and Matthew Broderick are
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blankies now the phenomenon of of making
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when they move on and leave that show or
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whatever it is to try to do something
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different or do something else if they'd
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pick another role that's very similar to
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that and I think a lot of x axis actors
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it up and go for something different and
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characters if you are trying to copy
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make you know another Christopher Reeve
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ease Superman it's it's it's clearly
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just imitation and it falls on its face
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originally he wasn't going to be Indiana
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was it really played off of his success
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as han Solo and it was essentially the
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same people involved in doing it and so
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maybe that's the exception that proves
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the rule but I i think that's true okay
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you knew this guy he was a lovable rogue
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he is lovable rogue ear again over here
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when it's it's really weird to imagine
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Tom Selleck was the first choice and the
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only reason he couldn't do it was
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because that they picked up the pilot
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for magnum and so you know when magma
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zone and that story came out of it
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well MB be interesting i don't know and
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you know I saw high road to China and
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when no no I see what they were going
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for the right i mean david hate you and
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Ford is Indiana Jones magnum he's all
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again one of those heroes who is human
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and gets hurt and is not you know Johnny
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square job but actually is like you get
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reitman design that packaging and then
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perfectly fine actors and it was a
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same movie series this is Indiana Jones
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skull try to ignore the fact that this
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is not Harrison for the role but this is
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lease would be a and B inhumanly
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difficult thing for that movie to pull
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brand that we're rebooting it this is a
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new Superman series we're starting a
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brand new star trek series with new
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audience to accept that this is going to
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explicitly saying no this is this the
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backstory a little bit of that says that
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at some point this there's no way that
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james bond that the the the spy who is
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carrying the name james bond is going to
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live forever he's gonna get killed in
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action at which point they simply take
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his car they take his ID they take his
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stuff and give it to the next guy who's
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going to be dead in three in three years
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opening scene of on her majesty's secret
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service George Lazenby
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his bond hinted that he says this never
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happened to the other guy the other guy
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yeah this is this is why I always I
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always I i like the rock a lot more than
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being thrown into jail and of course his
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Majesty's Secret Service had a disavow
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them completely so he's just been
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rotting in jail for 30 years and we're
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seeing a great james bond money with
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nicolas cage as a Bond girl that's where
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it's not as noted that when you know
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we're seeing behind the beginning and
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yet it's not as sort of like made to fit
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into some continuity although the most
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recent bond they get the old aston
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martin and it's like oh it's this old
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car and he's like supposedly knows about
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anniversary it was common sure we're
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starting fresh and it's and it's fine
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there's no there's no baggage there it's
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like here's Christian Bale he's Bruce
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Wayne he's gonna learn to be Batman and
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we're coming on that journey with him I
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shows which is the direction i didn't
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think this would go
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colombo Three's Company magnum p.i SATs
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ok old TV shows we haven't talked about
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Batman which is another thing which is
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not quite original actor because there
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were lots of original actors like with
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Superman and yet that's it that's a case
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different we add the the cereals in the
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forties which are wonderful when you
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watch them with rifftrax and then the
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Adam West the Adam West one which is
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intentionally funny and then let's see
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didn't really I mean you had the cartoon
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version in the seventies which was okay
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right and then you didn't like a
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live-action Batman until Michael Keaton
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material had gone through so many
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iterations from the 30 to 40 to 50 right
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there is so many aspects to that
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character that you can take all these
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source material of the bob kane Batman
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earliest examples of this is back in the
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forties there was a series of films
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about a hero named the Falcon didn't
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dresses anything he was like this ain't
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where it's just sort of the suave
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debonair crime-solving guy and he was
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played by george sanders and after a
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couple of movies Sanders said you know
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what I don't want to do this anymore and
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tom conway keeps playing the Falcon he
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interesting i think i think it's a
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franchise like James Bond where by now
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it's become expected but for the at the
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first time you know people i'm sure
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actor that's cast as the doctor and
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see I'm a character were probably got
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sick of 15 years ago want to create what
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where where is where is the wonderful
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new character that how it was going to
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reel in 20 years from booting and
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rooting for this generation he can't
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just remake things you also have to make
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vibro i wrote down in that email that I
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said to you guys the you know who knows
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the star wars will do this we're talking
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about they're gonna do you know episode
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7 and it's going to have the original
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actors I apparently it needs in these
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roles but i'm sure that unless the new
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Star Wars movies become you know
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gigantic cultural hits forever i mean
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i'm sure it's inevitable that they will
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go and remake star wars right they'll
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tear it up and we use it when we make it
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will be a new ally and just the money
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the money I feel like it's an almost
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inevitable that they will 20 years from
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now this feels like the smartest thing
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for them to do is to cast the 17 hours
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elderly older like older Jedi people
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from from the original cast so now again
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the middle of the people in there the
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their forties and fifties and sixties
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are wow great we get to see Harrison
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Ford as han solo again but also have
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Bert make most of the movie about brand
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new characters because I get it shocks
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us to say this but people who are like
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in their teens early twenties they don't
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connection to Luke Skywalker that we
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have the phone and I'm just I'm just
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saying there's a difference there
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standing and now in there they're gonna
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do that but I just feel like it's
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inevitable that eventually they're gonna
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be like and let's just go back to the
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like with the slight with Star Trek
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build those said let's go back to that
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original and tell that story again the
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first one was really good let's use that
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Chris Pine can be obi-wan Kenobi because
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we'll be old enough to find that i
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really like the clone wars series and
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that was stuff that had absolutely no
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nostalgia factor for me at all and that
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that's where I see that I i love the
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fact that Frances that in the star wars
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universe that there is a star wars for
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pretty much every generation out there
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that has very little contact with its
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part of the same shared universe but has
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very little contact with the star wars
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the seventies and eighties or the star
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wars of the nineties for the star wars
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of a of the first decade of the 21st
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that's how you keep a franchise alive
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not by always replaying the the first
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three scripts but by finding a way to
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just expand the territory and find new
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ground i agree with you i just i I'm so
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cynical about the way that Hollywood
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does three makes things shamelessly the
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broadcasting is maybe darken with ok
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I've turned my back on hope and love
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each James Bond movie
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aside from the kind of daniel craig
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stuff was kind of the same and that was
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sort of comforting and no I when I went
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and saw them with my dad when I was a
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kid and you know it was my kid gets
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older i'm going to take him to see James
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Bond stuff and you it's you know he's
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always gonna end up in the the the life
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preserver with the girl at the end of
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yes with you'd be unlikely button that
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he presses that summons the yacht right
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and that I don't necessarily think they
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do need to remake something for every
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generation there's like subtle shifts at
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to make it more kind of contextually
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relevant i guess but the the heart like
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all of my fears about remix went away
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with Star Trek and I never thought like
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anybody but William Shatner would be
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Kirk and and you know i have no problem
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leaving Chris Pine is Kirk yeah Chris
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David overwhelming casting they did a
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good job Natalie yeah and and that that
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works a lot and i agree with you I think
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it's funny the fear of it and yeah I
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noticed also that phantom fear just like
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no sacrilege sacrilege but good actors
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and good scripts and fun and and with
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Star Trek we mentioned this i think on a
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previous episode 1.1 the problems with
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Star Trek is there was such a length of
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time before between when they finish the
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show and when they start doing the
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movies that all those movies ended up
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being about the original crew getting
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older and dealing with mortality when in
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fact the thing that people loved about
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the original series was that they were
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young and having adventures and they
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never got to do that in the movies and
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so by rebooting star trek and casting
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young actors are like hey we get to do
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that now we get to have movies that are
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not about Kirk breaking his glasses
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because he's very old man can't see very
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well and that's good that's that's
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that's uh that's nice but it did require
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going over that line and as a as an
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original Star Trek fan from when I was
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you know before I can even remember that
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was a that was a big thing like okay
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how's this gonna go is this is this
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gonna be okay and and now we're in a
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different world where I feel like of
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course these are iconic characters I
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would you know I went to track in the
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park in portland this summer which is
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they do a star trek episode in the park
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on a stage in front of several thousand
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people every sunday during the summer
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they did it for five years and and I was
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primed for having already seen you know
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the James Abrahams reroute but it was at
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that moment of like these are great
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characters and it's in the scripts are
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funny and it doesn't matter that these
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are sort of random actors playing these
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parts because i know these parts i know
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that Scotty is going to get into a fight
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on the Klingon space station because
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they insult the enterprise and it wasn't
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James doing and it wasn't simon pegg and
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it didn't matter because you know
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because it was Scotty and I know who
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Scott he is and and it's funny to come
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that way from from it only being one
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actor for the first 40 years of that
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characters existence and I mean even
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Shakespeare his plays were mostly
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remakes and things cobbled together from
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other stories that people probably
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already knew at the time so they were
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familiar with with who handle it was you
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know he added his own spin on it but you
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know the the ideas were already there so
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what you're saying is that you're a
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better play right then he
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was because your radio dramas are
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original oh yeah say at least have the
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courage to say that's all I'm saying
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good we all feel better now
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hey at least I change the name yeah
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change the 60s right have to do change
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the names nobody's given gonna know one
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thing that I think makes it a little
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easier to swallow is when or I guess
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it's more than on the flip side it makes
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it harder to swallow when I feel like
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they are either rebooting or recasting
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somebody just to sort of make a quick
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buck and appeal to the the crowd
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whereas when it's something that I feel
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like the creator's really truly loved
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that what came before and are trying to
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to remake it for a new audience to to
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share that love as opposed to raking in
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the Bucks that helps which is why I
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think doctor who has been so successful
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because both Russell Russell T Davies
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and Steven Moffat huge huge fans of the
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show I mean they're probably some of the
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biggest fan boys in the entire world and
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i think that they put their heart and
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soul into the show and that that shows
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whereas i don't know maybe I'm
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completely wrong about the robocop thing
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but from everything that like that i
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keep seeing and hearing I feel like it's
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more of a cash grab
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oh yeah yeah Hollywood cash grab know
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you can but you don't think so so much
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for green-lighting movies marketing now
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it's like how do you sell this movie if
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you can say well it existed before you
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act like you know Star Trek yes there
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so does everybody else 80 million
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that this man a check i love this man
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franchises are their own you know are
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problematic in their in their own way I
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when I was thinking about this and I'm
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thinking this is fundamentally a topic
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about things that are not singular works
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of art but our artful though they may be
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they are now product lines and what
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you're doing is you're changing almost
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like changing the spokesman for your for
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your product line what will we do
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without the Aflac duck will get a new
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athletic that's what we're going to do
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and nobody will notice the difference
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but but this is this is what this is and
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so there there's a corporate
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calculations happening to when you
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that I don't know it's um yeah yeah it's
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just it's just but it's it's good that
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we're not abandoning account a really
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good character just because you know the
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actor has aged out of the system so to
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i meanwhat wouldn't be horrible if we'd
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how many different interpretations have
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there been of sherlock holmes at this
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point and how many can you say have been
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truly great you can probably come up
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with at least four truly greater all i
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want to create Sherlock Holmes's yeah
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yeah and so weak i would hate to say
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it's it's hard it's hard to think of
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anybody but Frances McDormand playing
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the part of chief margin Fargo but i
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have to admit that one of the things I
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really really want to see is this is too
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great a character to never ever have any
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new stories about her so I'm really
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curious to see what this new series is
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going to be bucks i want to see more
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ok so how come it if a lot of this
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recasting is about actors aging out of
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Parts wife whenever we are I can't think
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of a single example of where they recast
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kids to keep sort of the kids in a show
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at the same age o.o that you don't
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belong with all the time
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yeah i mean they they did that on
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bewitched there were several different
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Tabitha's before before she actually
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would they decided to let her be a child
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I think with child actors it's a lot
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harder because it's so hard to find a
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good child actor in the first place and
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the the field is fairly limited so
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trying to find somebody else who's going
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to be able to play the part who's going
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to be able to play period i think it's
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probably just not worth the while of the
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creators of the shows and films you do
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end up with a problem with it with the
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kids are getting older and if the if the
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premises that every year is a year
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that's not a problem if the premises
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like I was noticing that with Carl on
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the walking dead that uh you know they
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mean he's getting he's growing up and I
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guess you can say well Carl's growing up
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in this hard environment where there's
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always everywhere he's growing up but
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it's also he's growing you know he's
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getting older faster than time is
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passing on the show because they don't
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it's not a one to one thing or the best
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example there is is walked on Long swear
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it's like just gonna forget it
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whoa we got to take waltz
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way because that kid that kid grew like
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two feet in a year and will also look at
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look at look at Happy Days like with the
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first year you already had actors who
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were probably about their their 22 23
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years old playing 16 17 hours old
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by the end it's like I Pazzi we got it
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we're about to graduate from college
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yeah I can't make it good time I gotta
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pick up my kids from the orthodontist
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well that's the that's the 90210 problem
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right with which is then you can cast
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you can cast a twenty-five-year-old as
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2418 and maybe get away with it there
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are youthful 25 but the problem is then
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the show last seven or eight years this
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was you know Buffy is my favorite show
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but the fact is those guys were more
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plausibly 16 then they were plausibly 22
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well that's it that's best skilled
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writing what you do is you establish
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that they've got they were became very
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very heavy smokers around the 3rd season
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various unhealthy lives and age doesn't
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really give these states at back by
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Howard leaving recognize myself anymore
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they're just be a spanish expel that
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happens and they all seem older than
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they actually are
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let's see I know you don't want to talk
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about Darrin Stephens but go ahead but
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we already talked about colombo Three's
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Company and magnum p.i that we haven't
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talked about the West go ahead the thing
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that bothered me as a child watching the
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show because you know it was on every
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day right and all of a sudden one day
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there's Dickie work the next day blink
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sorry sergeant now I'm like what five or
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six and i'm trying to figure out okay
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and doors already turned him into a cow
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horse a duck a donkey
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why doesn't she just turn him back to
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the way he looked did Samantha suddenly
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decide she really liked this tall skinny
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guy better i don't know i just nobody
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noticed that it's a disease Aaron sure
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Larry Tate would have voted since and
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it's like here's a show where you could
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actually legitimately have that excuse
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oh now you got a facelift like that
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no it's just an example of how a lot of
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people always do the instruments Stevens
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vs i dream of jeannie who's more
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powerful it's clearly samantha stephens
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because she decided she wanted a
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different husband and she went out and
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got it and she's powerful enough to make
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everybody else not notice grabbed a
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with the pic erase his existence those
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those actors were very different
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I mean that's something to get me that I
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mean I don't agree with her personal
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taste in men I at all but to each her
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own on the other hand you you do like
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the fact that at some point the
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producers say look it's just a TV show
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we can do stuff we have to do stuff like
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when like when Harry Morgan was cast as
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Colonel Potter on mash that if it's
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worth if this relaxed at interbay
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internet-based casting they say no week
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he can I know he's great for the party
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be perfectly totally revitalized the
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that's the way that I would like to do
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what I i do think that you have to if
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you really want to extend the life of a
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franchise you give it new wife you you
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that's why human existence is not about
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life extension for anyone of us it's for
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creating children that they can get that
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then go on and take what we've done and
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take another 10 yards further so that's
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what I would do if I were had a
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continually Indiana Jones franchise new
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character but some continuity with the
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old witch sphere theoretically what
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they're doing with Star Wars Episode 7
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although there are some reports that
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they may be doing that a little less
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than we thought but that's the idea
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there is there they're doing episode 7
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and they're going to introduce new
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characters and they're gonna be the
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children of or you know there abouts of
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the characters we know but they're not
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going to go back and make new versions
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of the characters we know so i would
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argue i would do exactly the opposite
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alright just the silly young sins but
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for the same reasons because like yes
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but real life there's mortality and your
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kids replace you and new generation and
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all that kind of stuff so who wants to
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be reminded of that in their fiction
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that if you go that way
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yeah you have a new character you've
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handed off to but it's not Indiana Jones
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but don't but don't you want to see what
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the end of the Indiana Jones of stories
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like that it doesn't please you a little
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bit to find out that he wound up with
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Marion Ravenwood at the end of this is
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just when you say that we're going to
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sort of a bad we're not what it's worth
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I'm different I i would like to i would
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like to see what happened well i think i
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think there is it there there's
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definitely there should be that episode
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of what is the end you know the the when
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Roger Moore Sean Connery came back for
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never say never again and he was kind of
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this old bond who couldn't do anything
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more and you got the sense like okay
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he's going to go and retire and that's
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the end of him and that's you you want
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an end to the legend but you only want
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to see that once and then you want to go
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back to like let me see their adventures
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when they were young again
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yeah so my spider-man goes back to high
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school all the time so do you do I mean
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I mean it would be a cute idea to have
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indiana jones and his twenties back in
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you know back in time in the twenties or
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thirties you can change the timeline if
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two and then have and then have Harrison
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Ford play Marcus Brody or play his
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father and but he's not Indiana Jones
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anymore read but so those that's two of
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two ways to go right you you you said it
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back in time or two and this point you
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don't recast the part and you just kinda
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pass it off to the next generation
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except the problem areas
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Andy I think all of us would like to see
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Indiana Jones back in the thirties and
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forties and you can't do that without
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saying it's a new you know it's a new
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story with you a kiss but you can't have
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that again again we get you can't you
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can't keep reliving with its you see
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these people walking down the street and
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there they were like their forties or
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fifties and they're still wearing like
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the dressing there weren't cut off
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shorts and flip-flops and already
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t-shirts because that's the way they
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dress when they were 22 years old and
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they feel that's the best part of their
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lives and they just want to be locked
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into that same temporal loop over and
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you can't live your life that way you
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have to move forward forward forward
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it's shameful to simply say that this
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this character as I was first introduced
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to it is the only valid way of
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expressing this character well but but
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see here's the thing with Star Wars and
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Star Trek you have a larger universe
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it's more than just one character
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whereas with raiders of the lost ark in
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all its Indiana Jones and he I mean he
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is what it is it's not that they're all
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these supernatural adventures it's not
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that there's this archaeology
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adventuring thing it's Indiana Jones
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himself like Sherlock Holmes like the
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pulp characters that inspired Indiana
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Jones I mean there's no continuity over
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hundreds of Shadows stories and you know
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it's it's okay to recast him i think
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because I'm interested in him
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I don't care about his world and if you
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he's adventuring in the seventies in the
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cold war right then it and you know you
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both sort of get what you want right and
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you can have those adventures and you
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know it's sort of like Michael Chabon
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did a survey sherlock holmes novel where
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he is elderly and retired and beekeeping
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and sussex downs and he p still end up
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solving a mystery and and you can still
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have those sort of offshoots and those
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stories where you see his ending or UC
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close to his ending or you know the
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lorry King novels where Sherlock Holmes
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is married to a beak
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super I think she's a beekeeper what's
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with the be anything is be keeping an
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allegory for something or is it in the
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doctor mentioned let's make it means
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couple of times yeah but you know you
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can still have Cumberbatch's Sherlock
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you can still have jonny lee miller is
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Sherlock and it's still you still have
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jeremy brett is Sherlock and you still
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have basil rathbone and they're all
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different and they're all still sherlock
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holmes they're still recognizably that
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character and I think that's okay
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Star Wars I don't want another loop sky
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great i agree i want more stories in
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that unit yes i agree me to agree that
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getting back to your original question
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just for Indiana Jones in the short-term
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to go either sort of the that James Bond
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route or the data Abrams route I think
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for me personally I would rather see
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sort of the JJ Abrams which is just sort
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of really playing the character with a
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slightly different take on it but I
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could see down the road or perhaps the
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younger generation being more just fine
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with something almost completely
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different in the the James Bond vain i
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have enough emotional attachment to the
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character that I think it would be hard
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for me to watch somebody do something
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that was very different with it but i do
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think that eventually that could work
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kind of like somebody who is really
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wrapped up with William Hartnell is the
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first doctor may have balked at the idea
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of this you know funny little guy with a
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recorder you know waddling around the
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TARDIS and eventually he did win them
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over but so i would i would be
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reasonable and waiting and see but i
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think i would rather see something more
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similar well in and one of my favorite
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examples which I just remembered now the
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movie maverick which was a you know a
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remake of the James Garner Western from
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the fifties and sixties where mel gibson
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is Bret maverick and jim garner is this
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law man who's after him and you think
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well that's cute because James Garner
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and okay great and then spoiler ORN
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it turns out that he's actually Bret
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maverick in disguise and mel gibson is
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Bret maverick jr. and you go
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alright alright that works mmm so-so the
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Indiana Jones question I I think I that
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I think Erica that was a really
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interesting answer the the continuity
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plays into it a little bit for me where
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I feel like one of the one of the
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beauties of having a different actor is
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that you get to ignore unless it's
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doctor who and it's sort of like it
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actually happened we want we watched it
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happen with James Bond it's like you
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don't have to say uh huh you know you
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can't say that this has never happened
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before in the English agent office
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because in a previous movie it happened
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because if they're not you know right
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it's like don't worry about that so if
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you read it Indiana Jones you would you
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wouldn't have to say well you know you
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can have him meet Marion and you know
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and and have this outcome because we
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learned raiders of the lost ark this is
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the timeline and this is when they met
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and this is then then they you know they
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separated and he didn't see her again
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until raiders of the lost ark and the
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beauty of of changing that story and
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changing the part is that you could say
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you know we're gonna not whether we tell
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those stories or not we're not going to
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worry about those stories and let them
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preclude us from telling the stories we
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want to tell because that's one of the
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worst things about continuity I'll of
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continuity as somebody who reads a lot
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of comic books and and sci-fi and all
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sorts of things like that
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I'll of continuity and yet i also hate
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continuity and the reason I hate
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continuities because continuity
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sometimes gets in the way of telling a
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good story and that's the beauty of
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recasting apart is that you're breaking
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the opportunity to break some continuity
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and say look I just want to tell some
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stories with this great character and I
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don't really care about the backstory I
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care about the character and good
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stories so that's that that would be
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where I would go to and like the shadow
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on the radio which was concurrent with
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the pulp magazines of the shadow on the
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radio he was Lamont Cranston that was
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his that's who he really was and in the
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books in the in the pulp magazines
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he was really can't allard and Lamont
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Cranston was just another person whose
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identity he would take
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sometimes when Lamont Cranston was off
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on some other part of the world and all
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these other identities that he took and
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he would occasionally make jokes about
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the radio version of him and but then
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the radio version overtook that because
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that's what everyone remembers and
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somewhere along the line about 10 years
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into the magazine all of a sudden Margo
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Lane who was only on the radio show is
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suddenly his faithful companion and the
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only person who knows who he really is
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and and bend the readers were upset they
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they said no no she's from the radio
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show that's not right you know this
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you know there's a dropped joke in the
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50th anniversary of Doctor Who that was
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a shot of the the posters
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yes from the s from the sixties Doctor
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Who movies and fishing starring peter
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cushing and the indeed the joke was
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going to be and this is baffling tube
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that they couldn't get through there
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really was going to cost too much to
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show them on camera it's like come on
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BBC life surely the license i guess but
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the joke was going to be that was
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actually in continuity and some
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companion we never met squealed about
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the doctors adventures and wrote it like
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wrote a screenplay wrote a tell-all book
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that became these movies and so that
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ended in Doctor Who's world the peter
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cushing movies were going to be real and
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just sort of like not accurate
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depictions of what was really going on
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which would be a funny little weight I
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so wish that hadn't happened
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ya got the job that's why I like I i
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like that i like when a creator or and
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editors of a comic book at some point
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they reflect on the fact that look it's
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yeah we don't have to just like the the
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line in the monsters university that is
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invited monsters incorporated where you
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know where where where
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Sully and and Mike like supposedly met
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and fourth grade and but they can't have
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the monster they want to have the meat
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in college instead for this is the part
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of monsters University and they went
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through all of these different
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permutations really heavy lifting and
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try to justify that one line including
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well if you we we even saying that tree
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since we were in fourth grade well
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that's just like so
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buying and monsters world that's all and
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then probably at some point like act
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during stormy they said look I'm got
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thank god bless you for doing all this
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work to try to just make this all makes
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sense for monsters incorporated but it's
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okay if we just simply pretend that line
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ever happens the easiest answer its and
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that's what we're gonna do
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they met on a field trip in fourth grade
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and realized later when they looked at
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the pictures but we're not going to
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mention that movie because it seemed to
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care again this is not a documentary
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about how they met about that there's a
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comic book fan out there whose head is
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just exploded what do you mean
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continuities the tapestry the whole
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thing together and yeah well you know
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like i said it's fun but the good
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stories are far better doctor who has
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been stomping on its own continuity for
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50 years now so I'm fine with that
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really oh yeah right anything else
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before we were we're rapidly running or
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have run out of time anything else that
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you guys want to talk about before we go
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you should talk about it now I a picture
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film Michaels sitting there going
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Gunsmoke mentioned Gunsmoke because when
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because it because it was originally
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radio show and when it became a hit CBS
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said I let's take it to this new medium
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television but part of the reason it was
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a hit was because of the cast and submit
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the star of the show Matt Dillon was was
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William Conrad and they took one look at
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him and said this is there is no way and
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you know an enormous fat Marshall this
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and that's something that man right
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right and and they tried to get John
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Wayne and John Wayne said I'm not doing
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television and so they finally found
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james arness indicate they say
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reconfigured the character a little bit
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he's much more i mean the TV shows fun i
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prefer the radio version but but Conrad
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was shattered for a couple years and
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just went into directing until until
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cannon it was Quinn Martin productions
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said hey let's let's get that guy back
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an old he's got a great voice
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alright well I feel like we have done
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this this thing that flittered flitted
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through the transom of my mind at one
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point I said that should be an episode i
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think we've done it
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justice so it's fun joining in your
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delusional thinking Jason thank you Andy
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and Nicole I appreciate you being a part
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of this adventure / delusion David Laura
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thank you for a diluting or adventuring
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I'm anyway i can only say vice versa my
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goodness but we're replacing you with
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the next episode with a different actor
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sorry glass lives
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sure no you're not dan more'n know not
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Erica and sign thank you for being back
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thank you very much for having me i
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can't wait to see you place me in the
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next episode and well you'll never know
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it's gonna be done syracuse oh that's
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just how it's gonna be
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you can't say hey like alcohol
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hey there's a bright move move for
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things great to have you back on we
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should have your face on your topic
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yeah and for everybody out there I i
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what are we played by blackstreet next
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week but until then thanks for listening
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being comfortable
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