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Roderick on the Line

Ep. 57: "Unfair"

 

00:00:00   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/0">TS</a>]

00:00:05   hello hi John Merlin has gone good i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5">TS</a>]

00:00:12   just have some mouth noises to make here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/12">TS</a>]

00:00:15   not for the top of the set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/15">TS</a>]

00:00:18   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/18">TS</a>]

00:00:19   it's the season it's the mouth noise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/19">TS</a>]

00:00:22   season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/22">TS</a>]

00:00:22   yeah he took a lot of water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/22">TS</a>]

00:00:27   I i do you know when I was when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/27">TS</a>]

00:00:31   young I couldn't stand water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/31">TS</a>]

00:00:33   me neither hated it yeah hated it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/33">TS</a>]

00:00:35   then somehow somewhere along the line I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/35">TS</a>]

00:00:38   got I got to my sister and my sister in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/38">TS</a>]

00:00:41   particular is a real water sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/41">TS</a>]

00:00:43   pusher and and somewhere along the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/43">TS</a>]

00:00:46   I got I got a taste for it and now I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/46">TS</a>]

00:00:48   probably drink a half gallon of it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/48">TS</a>]

00:00:54   just every time I walk past the sink I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/54">TS</a>]

00:00:56   i choked up big glass water food and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/56">TS</a>]

00:00:59   i've been i love it i can get enough of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/59">TS</a>]

00:01:01   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/61">TS</a>]

00:01:02   that's pretty much exactly my experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/62">TS</a>]

00:01:04   I i wonder if part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/64">TS</a>]

00:01:06   two things one of my palate developed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/66">TS</a>]

00:01:08   from just wanting a 12 pack of coke a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/68">TS</a>]

00:01:09   day on and the other thing is they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/69">TS</a>]

00:01:13   wow that's what you're really out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/73">TS</a>]

00:01:14   tear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/74">TS</a>]

00:01:15   yeah go ahead go ahead I'm listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/75">TS</a>]

00:01:19   let's see I think it's that I had other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/79">TS</a>]

00:01:21   anyway missed just because a mic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/81">TS</a>]

00:01:22   placement what about what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24   lip-smacking know here's a cover sheet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/84">TS</a>]

00:01:26   get an sm57 on that red leather chair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/86">TS</a>]

00:01:29   i'll put up on mature my get in the do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/89">TS</a>]

00:01:33   chris wallace get a room mic with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/93">TS</a>]

00:01:34   trigger so you get that kind of David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/94">TS</a>]

00:01:36   Bowie low thing when it's a real when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/96">TS</a>]

00:01:38   it's real dinger archers both make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/98">TS</a>]

00:01:41   noises continue mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/101">TS</a>]

00:01:44   well I'm a very have you ever seen the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/104">TS</a>]

00:01:47   photograph of my chair i'm not sure i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/107">TS</a>]

00:01:51   read all the magazines even remember it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/111">TS</a>]

00:01:54   really really remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/114">TS</a>]

00:01:55   yeah let's get the cat is it stained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/115">TS</a>]

00:01:57   it's hard to tell but at a certain point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/117">TS</a>]

00:02:02   it's like to get out like the industrial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/122">TS</a>]

00:02:04   carpeting you have in parts of a bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/124">TS</a>]

00:02:05   where it becomes one kind of contiguous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/125">TS</a>]

00:02:07   stained like one hypnotic stain yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/127">TS</a>]

00:02:10   yeah so the high-traffic areas of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/130">TS</a>]

00:02:13   chair are sort of more stain the low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/133">TS</a>]

00:02:16   chap driving Eric yeah yeah I used as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/136">TS</a>]

00:02:19   blue mechanics paper towels share the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/139">TS</a>]

00:02:23   surf so kind of fell apart at a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/143">TS</a>]

00:02:26   point and I fixed it with the I made my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/146">TS</a>]

00:02:31   own plywood it's not homemade Flyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/151">TS</a>]

00:02:36   yeah i took some unique I think you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/156">TS</a>]

00:02:38   that well I didn't either until I did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/158">TS</a>]

00:02:40   but I i drilled a hole where the where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/160">TS</a>]

00:02:44   the thing had broken where the dowel had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/164">TS</a>]

00:02:46   broken so I drilled a larger hole and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/166">TS</a>]

00:02:49   then I took a bunch of wood chips at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/169">TS</a>]

00:02:52   that you don't like match sticks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/172">TS</a>]

00:02:54   stuff and I'm i crunch them all up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/174">TS</a>]

00:02:57   then I i poured a bunch of glue on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/177">TS</a>]

00:03:00   and i made a kind of matchstick and glue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/180">TS</a>]

00:03:03   amount them and then I i put it into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/183">TS</a>]

00:03:10   hole let it dry it's so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/190">TS</a>]

00:03:14   accomplished than you give yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/194">TS</a>]

00:03:15   credit for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/195">TS</a>]

00:03:16   then I drill the old a new hole through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/196">TS</a>]

00:03:18   the glue and through the fake plywood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20   and then the chairs good as new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/200">TS</a>]

00:03:23   I'll tell you what you made my friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/203">TS</a>]

00:03:24   you have made our casino particleboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/204">TS</a>]

00:03:26   alright yeah that's what it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/206">TS</a>]

00:03:29   particle particle board on my sense is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/209">TS</a>]

00:03:32   based on a conversation we had your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/212">TS</a>]

00:03:33   mom's house a few weeks ago that you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/213">TS</a>]

00:03:35   not a fan of why I'm gonna get you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/215">TS</a>]

00:03:38   plywood for certain things but don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/218">TS</a>]

00:03:40   have a certain respect for a nice long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/220">TS</a>]

00:03:42   piece of continuous contiguous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/222">TS</a>]

00:03:45   old-growth wood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/225">TS</a>]

00:03:46   mm my sense was that you had you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/226">TS</a>]

00:03:49   serious respect for the pores in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/229">TS</a>]

00:03:50   mother's house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/230">TS</a>]

00:03:51   mmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/231">TS</a>]

00:03:51   solid wood longwood would well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/231">TS</a>]

00:03:56   haven't had like 20 minutes on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/236">TS</a>]

00:03:58   yeah i've got all these all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/238">TS</a>]

00:03:59   abominations in your neighborhood made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/239">TS</a>]

00:04:00   of short short pointless would and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/240">TS</a>]

00:04:02   you had continuous planks and yes this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/242">TS</a>]

00:04:05   is this is you know this is a component [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/245">TS</a>]

00:04:06   of what this is a theme that you and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/246">TS</a>]

00:04:09   touched on a lot which is the be tearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/249">TS</a>]

00:04:13   down of a hundred-year-old thing made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/253">TS</a>]

00:04:16   out of perfect old-growth lumber to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/256">TS</a>]

00:04:20   replace it with something made out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/260">TS</a>]

00:04:23   off-gassing particle board and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/263">TS</a>]

00:04:26   posting a sign in the front saying all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/266">TS</a>]

00:04:30   green construction man its new green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/270">TS</a>]

00:04:33   condos and all the polymers have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/273">TS</a>]

00:04:35   insurance you and nothing about nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/275">TS</a>]

00:04:38   about it is green tearing the tearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/278">TS</a>]

00:04:41   the perfectly good house down was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43   green and manufacturing all the all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/283">TS</a>]

00:04:47   chemical products that this house is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/287">TS</a>]

00:04:49   constructed of was but that wasn't green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/289">TS</a>]

00:04:51   and then building this new house wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/291">TS</a>]

00:04:53   green there's nothing great about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/293">TS</a>]

00:04:54   except that they installed an efficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/294">TS</a>]

00:04:57   furnace in the new building or some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/297">TS</a>]

00:04:59   other they being are they put put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/299">TS</a>]

00:05:02   photovoltaic panels on the roof and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/302">TS</a>]

00:05:05   it's in and people people walk through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/305">TS</a>]

00:05:07   life well i bought this really green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/307">TS</a>]

00:05:09   condo and it's a gym no idea what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/309">TS</a>]

00:05:11   there and what we have lost as a people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/311">TS</a>]

00:05:13   what we have lost in terms of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/313">TS</a>]

00:05:16   patrimony these houses that were you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/316">TS</a>]

00:05:19   know if you look at if you tear down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/319">TS</a>]

00:05:21   tear the inside walls out of my mom's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/321">TS</a>]

00:05:23   house which I have done these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/323">TS</a>]

00:05:26   two-by-fours are 28 feet long and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/326">TS</a>]

00:05:29   there's not a knot hole in them there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/329">TS</a>]

00:05:31   not even a Knothole there there from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/331">TS</a>]

00:05:33   trees that stood that they cut the trees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/333">TS</a>]

00:05:36   but they built my mom's house out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/336">TS</a>]

00:05:39   they cut them down from three blocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/339">TS</a>]

00:05:40   away and carted them there by horse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/340">TS</a>]

00:05:43   milled them on on a sawmill you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/343">TS</a>]

00:05:48   presumably powered by about probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/348">TS</a>]

00:05:52   Mexicans know there are no mexicans here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54   then it was probably the Chinese it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/354">TS</a>]

00:05:55   putting well now there were Chinese but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/355">TS</a>]

00:05:58   no but i think it was either powered by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/358">TS</a>]

00:05:59   horse or by would but by the by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/359">TS</a>]

00:06:02   branches by of branches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/362">TS</a>]

00:06:04   more green and looking for it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/364">TS</a>]

00:06:06   right there everything you need is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/366">TS</a>]

00:06:08   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/368">TS</a>]

00:06:08   yeah and to tear it down i personally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/368">TS</a>]

00:06:11   think is a crime against all humanity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/371">TS</a>]

00:06:14   and then to build a thing you know a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/374">TS</a>]

00:06:17   of these places that term off-gassing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/377">TS</a>]

00:06:19   who is a construction term but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/379">TS</a>]

00:06:24   tries to describe how all of these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/384">TS</a>]

00:06:26   a all the particle board and the Emmy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/386">TS</a>]

00:06:29   the wallboard and the most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/389">TS</a>]

00:06:32   products that the the the new carpet it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/392">TS</a>]

00:06:35   all after the house is built and after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/395">TS</a>]

00:06:37   you move in it sits there and just sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/397">TS</a>]

00:06:39   of sort of permeates gather exist gasps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/399">TS</a>]

00:06:44   that's yeah i mean any I mean now behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/404">TS</a>]

00:06:46   the ones like the formaldehyde also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/406">TS</a>]

00:06:48   things like I don't know if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/408">TS</a>]

00:06:50   petroleum thing but things obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/410">TS</a>]

00:06:52   like plastics and down aspects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/412">TS</a>]

00:06:55   well you know for example we buy we buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/415">TS</a>]

00:06:57   a bath mat we like that we've bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/417">TS</a>]

00:07:00   three times as its worn-out haha but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/420">TS</a>]

00:07:03   wait a minute wait a minute what are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/423">TS</a>]

00:07:04   gonna do when they start making that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/424">TS</a>]

00:07:05   back Matt I want to make one out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/425">TS</a>]

00:07:07   Longwood are you going to be much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/427">TS</a>]

00:07:10   than I Japanese don't work ping pong but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/430">TS</a>]

00:07:12   every time we buy one of these the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/432">TS</a>]

00:07:14   thing happen to bring it home and take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/434">TS</a>]

00:07:15   it out of the plastic men it's it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/435">TS</a>]

00:07:19   like a giant plastic vulva opening the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/439">TS</a>]

00:07:21   entire house is enveloped in this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/441">TS</a>]

00:07:23   this smell and so we've got things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/443">TS</a>]

00:07:26   to use going to vulva as a as a as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/446">TS</a>]

00:07:30   metaphor is a plastic vulva I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/450">TS</a>]

00:07:32   being a normative a plastic vomit tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/452">TS</a>]

00:07:35   me where plastic level it's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/455">TS</a>]

00:07:36   taste like a 9-volt battery smell like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/456">TS</a>]

00:07:38   bath mat let's be honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/458">TS</a>]

00:07:40   anyway my point being I I just what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/460">TS</a>]

00:07:42   worth I first of all I like to come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/462">TS</a>]

00:07:44   this because I completely agree with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/464">TS</a>]

00:07:46   I think the green thing I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/466">TS</a>]

00:07:48   get off on one of my jags here but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/468">TS</a>]

00:07:49   think it depends a lot on which micro or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/469">TS</a>]

00:07:53   macro level you want to look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/473">TS</a>]

00:07:56   yeah from you know I mean you know to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/476">TS</a>]

00:07:58   just to your point I mean I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/478">TS</a>]

00:08:01   this maybe I don't have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/481">TS</a>]

00:08:02   information to to intelligently agree or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/482">TS</a>]

00:08:04   disagree with you but I i agree with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/484">TS</a>]

00:08:06   being as an intelligent as i am right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/486">TS</a>]

00:08:08   and something we can all agree on long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/488">TS</a>]

00:08:11   way on that do well no but here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13   thing I I mean the face that I I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/493">TS</a>]

00:08:15   you're saying makes complete sense to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17   and this is why when you when you pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/497">TS</a>]

00:08:19   back the lens just a little bit you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/499">TS</a>]

00:08:21   well okay well there's also the vehicles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/501">TS</a>]

00:08:24   that had to have gas in them to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/504">TS</a>]

00:08:26   people there to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/506">TS</a>]

00:08:28   yeah and then the the cheeseburgers this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/508">TS</a>]

00:08:30   little house that Jack built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/510">TS</a>]

00:08:32   mhm oh you know what the house that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/512">TS</a>]

00:08:34   pretty good you know when you go when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/514">TS</a>]

00:08:36   you go to someplace like you got a rural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/516">TS</a>]

00:08:38   England and you go into somebody's house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/518">TS</a>]

00:08:41   that has a thatched roof and you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/521">TS</a>]

00:08:42   tell me about your house and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/522">TS</a>]

00:08:43   like this house was built in 1547 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/523">TS</a>]

00:08:47   they show you around the the ceilings in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/527">TS</a>]

00:08:51   the house or are about five foot two and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/531">TS</a>]

00:08:53   you have to duck everywhere you go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/533">TS</a>]

00:08:54   and got everyone's a hobbit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/534">TS</a>]

00:08:57   well they were certainly and and that no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/537">TS</a>]

00:09:00   thing a lot of canned food mmm perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/540">TS</a>]

00:09:03   the floors are even you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/543">TS</a>]

00:09:06   there ramshackle places and you go wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/546">TS</a>]

00:09:09   this house you know this house really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/549">TS</a>]

00:09:14   like it's such a wonderful treasure and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/554">TS</a>]

00:09:16   then you think about it and you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/556">TS</a>]

00:09:18   this house was just a bit this house is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/558">TS</a>]

00:09:20   just the one that survived there wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/560">TS</a>]

00:09:22   anything special about it over over 500 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/562">TS</a>]

00:09:25   years all the much better houses than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/565">TS</a>]

00:09:28   this were all torn down or burned down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30   and so this little thing half the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/570">TS</a>]

00:09:34   it survived probably is that no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/574">TS</a>]

00:09:38   cared enough about it to tear it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/578">TS</a>]

00:09:41   no one cared enough about that piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/581">TS</a>]

00:09:42   property or or they just didn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44   around to the land the land it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/584">TS</a>]

00:09:46   ramshackle east on ya and so this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/586">TS</a>]

00:09:48   survives and now we now has a plaque on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/588">TS</a>]

00:09:50   the door and now we go there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/590">TS</a>]

00:09:53   celebrate it but in fact it is just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/593">TS</a>]

00:09:56   just the it's just that like that how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/596">TS</a>]

00:09:59   the detritus all the beautiful houses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/599">TS</a>]

00:10:01   are are gone and this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/601">TS</a>]

00:10:03   relationship I have with portland oregon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/603">TS</a>]

00:10:06   portland oregon is a beautiful city full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/606">TS</a>]

00:10:09   of bungalows and old architecture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/609">TS</a>]

00:10:11   the reason that's true is that for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/611">TS</a>]

00:10:13   last hundred years no one cared enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/613">TS</a>]

00:10:15   about portland oregon there anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/615">TS</a>]

00:10:16   down there build something new you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/616">TS</a>]

00:10:18   it was a it was a backwater and a shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/618">TS</a>]

00:10:22   Berg and you'd go down there and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/622">TS</a>]

00:10:24   like oh yeah it's a house it's a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/624">TS</a>]

00:10:26   town full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/626">TS</a>]

00:10:27   bungalows and all of them have that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/627">TS</a>]

00:10:30   moss on the eaves and you can tell every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/630">TS</a>]

00:10:34   single bungalow in Portland has had four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/634">TS</a>]

00:10:36   people living in it all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/636">TS</a>]

00:10:37   chain-smoking 20 years that yellow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/637">TS</a>]

00:10:41   patina inside the entire city of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/641">TS</a>]

00:10:42   Portland had a yellow patina until until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44   2002 and who's gonna who's gonna find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/644">TS</a>]

00:10:47   you know a renovation of hooker town if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/647">TS</a>]

00:10:50   there wasn't if there wasn't that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/650">TS</a>]

00:10:52   people as we talked about in previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/652">TS</a>]

00:10:53   episode if there aren't the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/653">TS</a>]

00:10:54   coming in with the with the Genesis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/654">TS</a>]

00:10:56   device to to change everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/656">TS</a>]

00:10:58   everything's going to sit there and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/658">TS</a>]

00:11:00   is ironic it's same thing happened in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/660">TS</a>]

00:11:02   San Francisco where these houses that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/662">TS</a>]

00:11:04   were in neighborhoods people didn't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/664">TS</a>]

00:11:06   about they would get those awful sixties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/666">TS</a>]

00:11:08   and seventies renovations but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/668">TS</a>]

00:11:10   hadn't done anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/670">TS</a>]

00:11:12   select all the houses the hippies lived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/672">TS</a>]

00:11:13   in and have half-ruined superficially in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/673">TS</a>]

00:11:17   in the sixties and seventies are now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/677">TS</a>]

00:11:19   really expensive houses up1 try to buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/679">TS</a>]

00:11:21   house along the Panhandle that is a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/681">TS</a>]

00:11:23   of dough is it's a gorgeous victorian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/683">TS</a>]

00:11:25   that was on the west side of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/685">TS</a>]

00:11:28   earthquake you know made it out and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/688">TS</a>]

00:11:32   and and that's a funny thing about San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/692">TS</a>]

00:11:34   Francisco is that you know now of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/694">TS</a>]

00:11:37   today it's it's ludicrous it if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/697">TS</a>]

00:11:40   to do anything to your house there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/700">TS</a>]

00:11:41   lot of rules like if you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/701">TS</a>]

00:11:43   maintain the bay windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/703">TS</a>]

00:11:44   yeah there's all kinds of the windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/704">TS</a>]

00:11:46   will sag well i just i see those bay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/706">TS</a>]

00:11:49   windows beautiful ones actually in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/709">TS</a>]

00:11:50   the western addition in particular I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/710">TS</a>]

00:11:52   those beautiful curved pieces of glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/712">TS</a>]

00:11:55   I just think that it must be so costly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/715">TS</a>]

00:11:57   when you have to you know replace curved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/717">TS</a>]

00:12:00   glass in the window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/720">TS</a>]

00:12:01   yeah it's insane well what happened here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/721">TS</a>]

00:12:03   in Seattle was that we had the world's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/723">TS</a>]

00:12:06   fair in 1963 and 64 huh where they built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/726">TS</a>]

00:12:11   the space needle and they tore down a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/731">TS</a>]

00:12:16   big to in order to build kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/736">TS</a>]

00:12:18   seattle center they tore down a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/738">TS</a>]

00:12:21   ramshackle neighborhood of flop houses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/741">TS</a>]

00:12:23   and stuff to build that but that wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/743">TS</a>]

00:12:27   that great of a loss but what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/747">TS</a>]

00:12:28   was that was exactly the era that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/748">TS</a>]

00:12:32   kind of the the the peak area of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/752">TS</a>]

00:12:35   sort of modernist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/755">TS</a>]

00:12:37   23 story flat-roofed apartment building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/757">TS</a>]

00:12:42   where the walkway was there the hallways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/762">TS</a>]

00:12:44   were out side it's the motel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/764">TS</a>]

00:12:47   architecture and what Seattle had was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/767">TS</a>]

00:12:50   that we built this world's fair and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/770">TS</a>]

00:12:53   people were going to come from around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/773">TS</a>]

00:12:54   the world for a whole year we were going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/774">TS</a>]

00:12:56   to have a million people a day here to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/776">TS</a>]

00:12:58   see the seattle center and so there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/778">TS</a>]

00:13:01   this sweeping redevelopment of the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/781">TS</a>]

00:13:05   where people went into all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/785">TS</a>]

00:13:06   Victorian neighborhoods and they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/786">TS</a>]

00:13:09   well here this whole dish house full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/789">TS</a>]

00:13:11   you know full of transients even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/791">TS</a>]

00:13:15   it has nine bedrooms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/795">TS</a>]

00:13:17   we're going to tear this down and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/797">TS</a>]

00:13:18   gonna build a kind of motel style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/798">TS</a>]

00:13:21   apartment building that will house these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/801">TS</a>]

00:13:25   visitors from out of state and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/805">TS</a>]

00:13:29   after those people go it'll be an it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/809">TS</a>]

00:13:30   be an apartment building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/810">TS</a>]

00:13:32   won't that be nice we'll have well we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/812">TS</a>]

00:13:34   have replaced that dilapidated old house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/814">TS</a>]

00:13:36   with a modern apartment building and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/816">TS</a>]

00:13:40   throughout the city pretend the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/820">TS</a>]

00:13:41   interesting neighborhoods we have you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/821">TS</a>]

00:13:44   see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/824">TS</a>]

00:13:44   victorian house victorian house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/824">TS</a>]

00:13:46   six-night 1963-64 motel style apartment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/826">TS</a>]

00:13:52   just sandwiched in between them and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/832">TS</a>]

00:13:58   40 years later when a developer goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/838">TS</a>]

00:14:02   into that neighborhood and says which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/842">TS</a>]

00:14:03   one of these three things and i'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/843">TS</a>]

00:14:05   to buy and teardown they invariably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/845">TS</a>]

00:14:10   choose the Victorian still you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/850">TS</a>]

00:14:14   because who's going to tear down at nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/854">TS</a>]

00:14:15   unit apartment building that right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/855">TS</a>]

00:14:18   know they're still making money off of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/858">TS</a>]

00:14:19   that and so we still so Seattle looks a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/859">TS</a>]

00:14:23   lot worse than portland i have to admit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/863">TS</a>]

00:14:25   because you walk down the street you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/865">TS</a>]

00:14:27   just like there's no plan here there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/867">TS</a>]

00:14:29   no nothing is governing our development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/869">TS</a>]

00:14:32   except tear the thing down and you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/872">TS</a>]

00:14:37   obviously you cannot count on the tastes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/877">TS</a>]

00:14:40   of the people who own that property to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/880">TS</a>]

00:14:43   have any interesting integrating our how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/883">TS</a>]

00:14:47   that place looks or works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/887">TS</a>]

00:14:49   you cannot count on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/889">TS</a>]

00:14:50   yeah yeah and this brings a straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/890">TS</a>]

00:14:52   back to I think one of our greatest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/892">TS</a>]

00:14:53   threads which again this is for new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/893">TS</a>]

00:14:55   listeners something you acquainted me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/895">TS</a>]

00:14:57   with a longer time goes there's a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/897">TS</a>]

00:14:59   listeners is that heartless monster like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/899">TS</a>]

00:15:02   me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/902">TS</a>]

00:15:03   architectural preservation got it got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/903">TS</a>]

00:15:05   can I get when you talk about super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/905">TS</a>]

00:15:06   train again beyond only the the you we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/906">TS</a>]

00:15:13   had a conversation once i was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/913">TS</a>]

00:15:14   that long ago before the program but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/914">TS</a>]

00:15:16   for this program started but you you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/916">TS</a>]

00:15:18   telling me about how you can learn so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/918">TS</a>]

00:15:20   much from a city you know you're a man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/920">TS</a>]

00:15:23   who doesn't pick up a map to go to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/923">TS</a>]

00:15:25   look around right at you but you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/925">TS</a>]

00:15:26   learn a lot just from looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/926">TS</a>]

00:15:29   elevations in the city where is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/929">TS</a>]

00:15:31   waterway oh this is where they put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/931">TS</a>]

00:15:33   railroad tracks that explains why there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/933">TS</a>]

00:15:35   are the kinds of things around here that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/935">TS</a>]

00:15:37   would be good for railroad industry and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/937">TS</a>]

00:15:38   the people who work there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/938">TS</a>]

00:15:40   here's the waterways that's why they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/940">TS</a>]

00:15:41   probably stopped here is a reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/941">TS</a>]

00:15:42   Pittsburgh is where it is in case the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/942">TS</a>]

00:15:45   San Francisco for example when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47   added the streetcars and whatever year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/947">TS</a>]

00:15:50   that was that was the first time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/950">TS</a>]

00:15:52   you could live in the highly developed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/952">TS</a>]

00:15:55   that you can live comfortably and highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/955">TS</a>]

00:15:57   desirable neighborhoods that are at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/957">TS</a>]

00:15:59   top of a very steep incline because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/959">TS</a>]

00:16:01   suddenly and you know these are the days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/961">TS</a>]

00:16:02   before you just zip down to the safe way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/962">TS</a>]

00:16:04   to pick up your groceries so having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/964">TS</a>]

00:16:07   something like you know what we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/967">TS</a>]

00:16:08   left it there the cable cars which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/968">TS</a>]

00:16:10   very silly and not all that useful but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/970">TS</a>]

00:16:12   back then that was a revelation and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/972">TS</a>]

00:16:14   and so you can tell for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/974">TS</a>]

00:16:16   generally living near the water in most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/976">TS</a>]

00:16:19   places you know if it's like an ice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/979">TS</a>]

00:16:21   water is more expensive living higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/981">TS</a>]

00:16:24   rather than lower is a nice place to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/984">TS</a>]

00:16:26   live and so hey why is it that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/986">TS</a>]

00:16:28   tornadoes always take out all the mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/988">TS</a>]

00:16:29   home so because it's in the most shitty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/989">TS</a>]

00:16:31   low-lying areas where no one want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/991">TS</a>]

00:16:33   live the floods easily tomato tornado [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/993">TS</a>]

00:16:36   alley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/996">TS</a>]

00:16:37   yeah and I mean I think what's funny is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/997">TS</a>]

00:16:39   like that that is you know even with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/999">TS</a>]

00:16:42   the Internet economy I think that still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:45   means a lot you know and and to just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:48   don't know I can always come back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:49   Tallahassee where I lived for 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51   and Florida State University the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:53   buildings there are so beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:55   the old and but they all are you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1015">TS</a>]

00:17:00   tell when the place was initially built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:03   it's just beautiful classy like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1023">TS</a>]

00:17:05   know the style of architecture is but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:07   don't know the name for but it was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:08   the eighteen hundreds i think in early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:10   nineteen hundreds so there's a burst of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:11   money at that time and they built the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:13   women's college of florida or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:15   it was called and then you can just tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:18   there were burst of influxes of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:20   probably old people dying wanting their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:22   name on something and there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:23   hodgepodge of different buildings that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:26   went up in fifties through the eighties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:27   right all of them science building all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:31   of them like wildly different with only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:35   the most superficial nod start having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:38   any kind of continuity with how the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:40   of the place looks and and some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:41   have that I I'm trying to figure out if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:44   i want to blame this one guy corbusier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:46   you have basically invented square [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:48   cement buildings and and made made every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:51   you know mall and apartment buildings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:52   and skyscrapers look the same John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:54   Flansburg is so mad right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:56   why he loves these things well he's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:58   going to be probably yell at us for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1078">TS</a>]

00:17:59   thousand reasons about talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:01   Lucien but I was here Kordofan who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:04   ok but you know yeah you know it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:07   the bart station for example I every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:09   time there's a part station I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:10   it looks like something from Planet of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:11   the Apes Logan's Run Logan's Run yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:14   yeah but everything you know and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:16   sorry not sure I'm going with this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:17   there's a funny confluence of in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:19   nineteen sixties in particular I pulling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1099">TS</a>]

00:18:21   this completely out of my ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:22   there was so much money for things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:24   education building so much more by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:26   late sixties in there had been a metric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:28   is that correct to say that there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:30   lot of new building and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:31   obviously you know after the GI Bill you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:33   people want to go to college and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:35   kids want to go to college was all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:36   building and is this like pseudo perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:39   storm of money wanting the desire to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:42   build a lot quickly and cheaply and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:44   influence of the square concrete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:47   buildings that are now everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:49   well there's where concrete buildings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:50   after the war were were honestly thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:54   there was a moral component to them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:58   people's imaginations like these were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1138">TS</a>]

00:19:00   clean it with open they were not these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:05   you know sticking bone little rat holes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:08   that a of you know victorian houses that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:12   at that time were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:13   60 years old and full of dust and mice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:18   you know these were this was a these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:21   buildings represented to people at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:22   time the future we we had fought a war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:25   and we were we were going to build a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:29   world that look they're growing their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:32   clean and they were modern and they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:35   not look like the kind of locations that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:38   you would see that had been bombed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:40   recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:40   yeah these were exciting like american [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:42   buildings and am airport terminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:44   terminals and like exciting places for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:48   people and my mom talks about it all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:50   time like the idea that you would have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:51   house where all the bedrooms were on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:54   same floor as the living room and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:56   kitchen was a radical notion and very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1196">TS</a>]

00:20:00   exciting one where you would open a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:02   sliding glass door and step right from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:05   your living room into the garden without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:06   there being a stair-step you know all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:09   these designs that we think of as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:11   mid-century modern and and and kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:15   you know like tract houses to their I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:19   all these little details were were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:22   incredible innovations and incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:24   like almost I mean definitely like moral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:28   technologies this is this is the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:31   people should live we now have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:32   technology to live with ease in these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:37   custom homes and it's and we're never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:40   going back to this tube to the bay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:43   windows with the curved glass and it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:47   this I don't look they don't look very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:49   space-age at a time when that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:51   modernity and that kind of with what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:53   called popular luxe style what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:56   coming and if you were going to go out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1256">TS</a>]

00:20:58   and you were mike brady and want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:00   interrupt water or an architect that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:02   wanted a cool-looking you know house you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:04   know you weren't going to make it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:05   chicago-style em right that'd be awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:10   I was alone a chicago-style house but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:13   you know you look around you look around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:15   your city and you learn you can see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:18   you can see people's more moral tastes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:21   reflected in the in the physicality of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:24   your town in a way that doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:27   require that much imagination like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:29   just have to see it you just have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:31   turn your eyes that way that Seattle has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:33   a neighborhood called wallingford which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:35   is perched on a on a long broad sloping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1295">TS</a>]

00:21:39   hill that overlooks lake union which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:43   the lake at this very heart of the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:45   and then across Lake Union there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:48   panoramic view of downtown queen anne [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:52   hill and and capitol hill so it's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:56   it's this beautiful neighborhood of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:58   bungalows on this wide broad sloping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:01   hill overlooking a lake and the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:02   the city but when you go there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:06   realize very quickly that the streets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:09   are laid out wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:13   the streets are a hundred percent wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:16   they are laid out so that the bungalows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:20   go so the long avenues actually go up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:24   and down the hill right long avenues are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:27   pointed at the view and the houses there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:30   are there are 50,000 houses in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:33   neighborhood and almost none of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:36   have a view of this lake and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:39   panorama of the city they they look on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:43   each other's backyards and in order to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:45   get in order to get the view either have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:47   to go stand on the roof or you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:49   go out into the middle of the street and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:50   look down the hill and for the longest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:53   and so when you're in wallingford [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:55   there's something about it that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:57   kind of feels wrong you're conscious of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1377">TS</a>]

00:22:59   the city being right there and of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:01   lake and you know every night these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03   incredible sunsets but the neighborhood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:06   just kind of looks at itself and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:09   you realize that at the foot of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:12   Hill is a thing we call gasworks Park [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:15   which is this this gym in the crown of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:18   the city this beautiful park with an old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:22   gasworks where they used to make these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:26   the process natural gas there and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:30   realize when they built this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:31   neighborhood of wallingford that view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:33   down on the lake would have been a view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:36   over a chemical plant for food into into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:40   a lake that was full of steamships all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:43   emptying their bilges at sunset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:45   you know there was nothing about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:47   view that view was something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:49   whoever was developing the neighborhood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:51   that view is something they wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:52   conceal uh-huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:54   because when the wind changed direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:55   all of wallingford was coated with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:58   layer of chemical ash and so for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:03   rest of eternity in seattle like we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:06   cleaned up the city that that view right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:08   now is it is a 10 trillion dollar view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:10   but that neighborhood is always going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:12   be pointed the wrong direction because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:14   at the time of you didn't matter to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:17   people what mattered was you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:21   you turn your back to the chemical plant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:24   and you know that's so whenever I'm over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:28   there I'm always like kind of haunted by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:30   the haunted by the century I guess so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:34   that the things the things that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:37   are interested in the people could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:39   afford that people cared about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:40   people live with end up having an impact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:43   long beyond the time that decision was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:45   made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:46   yeah forever and ever i mean there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:47   were there redeveloping London all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:50   time and a lot of you know what if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:54   tear something down in the center of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:55   London [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:57   that was there for 700 years to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1497">TS</a>]

00:25:02   something new and my opinion you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:05   better really have a lot of faith that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:07   the thing you're building now is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:10   is better than something that survived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12   seven hundred years and that isn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:15   know I don't think people think that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:17   and I don't down i don't remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:19   details of this so forgive me if I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:21   some of this wrong but I think it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:22   even them out before the earthquake here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:26   I think all i know is at some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:28   somebody I don't think is Olmsted but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:30   somebody had come up with a plan for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:32   city as it grew that was going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:35   vastly different from what they come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:36   with because the first thing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:39   notice in San Francisco that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:42   seem really stupid from the air but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:45   seems real stupid on the ground is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:47   you described which is there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49   no reason that California Street needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:52   to be that steep there's no there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:53   real on the face of it like it's crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:55   to build the street straight its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:58   straight go straight to the side of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00   hill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:00   yeah my senses remember correctly that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:02   there was a plan especially for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:04   Western neighborhoods like where I live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06   not right live was was a was basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:09   just you know on it there was not a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:12   out here i think there was a nursing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:13   school and maybe an abattoir there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:15   not a lot in my neighborhood was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:16   sayin Sam zooms right yeah yeah that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:18   wonderful photos that you have my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:20   neighborhood were looking down from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:23   know the kind of the top of the hill on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:24   what's like 19th Avenue now where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:26   there's I think there was chicken farms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:27   was the main thing out here and i live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:29   in a chicken farm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:30   nothing wrong with that okay chicken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:32   farms heritage chickens nothing wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:33   with that but anyway but some some some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:36   some due to come up with a plan saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:38   hey why don't we can build these new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:40   roads in a way that goes around these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:42   hills in a way that's a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:43   humane on towards with the with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:45   ground and i want to say that it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:47   earthquake in particular that they I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:49   guess they need to rebuild quickly i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:50   talking out of my ass again but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:52   point the point of the story is that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:53   today you know you can go out and buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:55   bike and walking map of San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:57   this fascinating already seen this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1617">TS</a>]

00:27:00   and I enjoy a map that there's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:02   you go and pick this up anywhere and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:04   will show you the city right a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06   old road map of the city but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:08   every block between any two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:12   intersections anywhere in San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:14   gets like the Jesus Seminar card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:17   cartography it shows you four different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:19   colors to show you how steep the hill is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:22   just between those two interceptions on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:25   my block you can go and see I'm on they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:28   come on like the second or third looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:30   to get a light pink getting darker place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:32   a light red and a dark red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34   mm you know what I mean yeah and so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:36   is so if you're on a bike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:38   luckily the bike routes that exists now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:39   you know take advantage of the for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:42   example 20th avenue you can use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:43   exact you're saying fuck attack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:45   yeah but for example 20th avenue is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:48   longest contiguous north-south route in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:52   my part of town that has the least he'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:55   pound for pound you've been on my street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:57   I mean I'm out of breath when I walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1677">TS</a>]

00:27:58   from my office uphill in three minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:01   yes people very very very steep but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:03   know it is it's kind of funny how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:06   know you described with London for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:08   example how you know who knows this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:10   might have been a bad place to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:12   house because this is where people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:13   through their chamber pots out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:14   window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:15   you know what i mean and and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:17   fullness of time that that changes so no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:19   all it takes all up for five over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:21   course of five hundred years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:23   all it takes is a few people who live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:28   long lives and live in the same house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:30   their whole lives to affect the course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:35   of development right there's that house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:37   here in seattle where the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:41   property developers had other they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:43   bought the entire block except for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:45   one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:46   one bedroom bungalow literally like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:48   smallest house you could you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:50   possibly build there was just this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:53   bungalow left on an enormous block in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:56   ballard and the developers wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:59   build a super building that had a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:03   foods in it and I'm sure it was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:05   be very green don't know it had AI had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:08   trader joes in it and then it was gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:10   be great construction and full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:12   architects offices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:15   and this one little bungalow was owned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:17   by a little old lady and her husband had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:19   built it and she and died many years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:22   and she still lived in this one better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:24   place and she wouldn't sell and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:27   offered her a million dollars and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:29   wouldn't sell and so they built their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1769">TS</a>]

00:29:32   massive trader joes architect building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:37   around her house and her house still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:41   bright like it up they they built an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:43   entire thing around this little yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:44   it's around this little house the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:46   building but the new building that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:48   built his four five stories tall and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:51   this little teeny house sits in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:54   basically a canyon that is three feet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:58   wide on either side and three feet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:01   behind it it's basically like an air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:05   shaft where this houses and she just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:09   wouldn't you know she wouldn't sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:11   myself fuck you and the story is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:13   hilarious because it wasn't a year or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:17   two later that she finally died of old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:19   age and she will do her house to one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:23   the construction dudes who brought her a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:25   sandwich every day turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:28   yeah that's awesome so but but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:31   talk about someplace in England you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:33   all it all it took was a family just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:36   to keep that house in their own hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:39   for a couple hundred years and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:41   kind of pass it down a few people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:44   live live long lives and live in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:47   one place and all of a sudden this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:49   house has been protected from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:50   development just by the fact that either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:53   the family what was not up upwardly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:58   mobile enough to ever leave it or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:01   sort of tradition bound and now this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:04   thing survives and were like wow it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:05   amazing how did this thing make it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:07   these years and it's like well actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:08   500 years is just what we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:11   over eight generations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:14   I mean that's not that's not outrageous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:16   to think that that everyone's while the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:20   house is actually passed down that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22   times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:23   well you know in in Florida that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:25   several lifetimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:27   you know there is the thing that always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:29   strikes me is and this is just my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:32   heuristic but it seems to me that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:34   more content modern the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:36   contemporary you want to make a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:39   building look the more likely it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   it will look extremely uncontested in 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:44   to 20 years not even time for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:47   well like yeah like yeah I that building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:50   was built in 2004 I recognize the shade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:53   of mob a vinyl siding you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:57   building our dated instantly yeah i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1917">TS</a>]

00:32:02   think i'm feeling funny cuz i think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:04   talked about this a long time ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:05   thousand but i think we yeah I know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:09   talked about because the wet cellos that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:11   ya feeling funny though because you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:14   this funny feeling I do have a funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16   feeling the mosque building at Madison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:18   is singing the link for this we know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:20   talked about this once before this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:21   example of brutalist architecture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:24   where the first floor of the building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:25   has like a ramp so that they can like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:29   basically you turn the hose on on snakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:32   that are trying to rush the building the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:33   writers yeah yeah and of course it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:36   just so hard we talked about this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:37   it's so horribly designed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:40   constructed where the music department [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:42   just to reiterate the music department [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:43   is in the basement where everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:45   is wilting so you know it's but here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:49   another one i remember is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:50   mid-eighties I guess there was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:53   it's once again how about what they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:54   when they open a starbucks turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:56   that that starbucks makes a lot of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:59   and the other starbucks don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:00   necessarily make less money it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:02   really really strange phenomenon at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:04   which sounds like a little bit like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:05   pyramid scheme to me but that's how was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:06   in florida in the mid-eighties early to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:08   mid eighties there was a sudden influx [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:10   of money for new construction i think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:12   probably had to do with financing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:14   certain kind of attractive financing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:16   suddenly people were putting up strip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:19   malls where they're just didn't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:21   be another strip mall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:22   it just it was it was unnecessary and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:26   then all these places suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:27   everything had an awning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:29   yeah and or an atrium well this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:31   economic alchemy that people talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:34   when they talk about job creation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:37   they talk about lowering the taxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:39   and trickle-down economics and all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:42   you know you you create what in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:45   conservative thinking is this with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:48   sort of a ideal magical set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:51   circumstances where the business climate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:54   is friendly for to development and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:57   of a sudden it's like a Genesis bomb of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2037">TS</a>]

00:34:00   capitalism and these you know these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:04   economically stagnant areas become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:07   economically vibrant and that is that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:10   the you know that is the the whole truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:14   of of conservatism of the magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:16   thinking of it it's just like look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:18   what happened but that mentality does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:22   not take any kind of super long view on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:26   development and they'll point to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:27   neighborhood in florida and saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:30   know development swept into this area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:33   and transformed it the tax base was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:36   suddenly elevated everybody was making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:38   more money the city was making more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:39   money this is what happens when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:41   lower regulation and you reduce taxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:45   and you make this can make a place but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:49   what they don't factor in and what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:52   completely irrelevant to their thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:54   is what is in there what is that exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:58   you know it's nail salons and it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:02   know temporary businesses it's a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:03   Starbucks across the street from the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:05   starbucks and somehow they're both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:06   making money it is this kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:10   magical place where economics is where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:14   you know where capitalism is happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:17   but is that area improving people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:20   lives really 20 years from now is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:22   area is still going to be economically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:23   vibrant really is there any reason for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:26   it to be there you know when you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:28   the land and you say oh there used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:31   a stream hill stream here and there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:33   and so there was a mill here and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:36   why this street is called Mill Street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:38   and that's why this neighborhood is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:39   called milltown and I see why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:43   development happened here and I see why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:45   these are warehouses instead of homes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:48   and I you know and I see like and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:51   fell on hard times when the mill closed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:53   because there wasn't there was new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:54   milling technology that was happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:57   somewhere else they didn't need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:58   running stream you know etcetera you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:00   you see development through the lens of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:03   history but then you go out into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:04   into the flats where it's like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:07   built a mall here because property was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:12   cheap and taxes were low and then again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:17   creating certain conditions the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:18   conditions were were were right for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:20   somebody who is smart to take advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:22   of all these seemingly unrelated things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:24   to make something nobody necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:26   needed but what's good for them right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:28   but but as you say conditions are in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:31   way analogous to like oh there used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:33   be a river here so they built a mill oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:34   this is flat swampy land that they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:37   fill easily and so they built a mall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:39   like that they're there is a there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:42   continuity but but in the in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:46   way like that land that there's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:48   way of looking at which was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:50   swampy worthless land before and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:52   swampy worthless line now nobody is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:55   going to go this is that it's got an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:57   orange julius now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:58   yeah it has you've built a strip mall on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2218">TS</a>]

00:36:59   it but it is a kind of it is a false [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:02   paradigm of economics where where money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:08   sleeps in and transforms a neighborhood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:10   and then economist move on in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:13   thinking and they're like let's go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:15   somewhere else and have capitalism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:16   transforming area but what they've left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:20   behind is this thing that is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:23   percolate along for a few years and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:26   the lack of reason for it to be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:29   was the lack of soul is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:32   manifest itself and and all the low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:36   taxes in the world aren't going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:37   motivate people to go there because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:39   there's no because it's a false thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:42   it's a you know it's a it's an orlando [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:47   and I mean people are still going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:51   orlando but you know is or like its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:56   course Lando is our limit maybe Orlando [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:59   will be there in five hundred you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:01   but it's also there's also a myopia it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:03   seems to me this is this is true of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:05   people all over the spectrum politically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:09   but you know there's it'sit's funny idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:13   of cause and effect where you can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:15   something that is accurate as a true you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:19   can see something is accurate which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:20   you can say you know this sector of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:22   economy has created the greatest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:25   percentage of jobs in the last 15 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:30   and you could say something anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:32   could you could look at the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:33   untampered data and say that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:35   absolutely true and yet make a decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:38   based on that that will have absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:40   there's absolutely no Karen t let alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:44   logic that making a decision based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:46   that will reveal the same result [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:48   specifically you could say for example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:50   you know small businesses have created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:52   the greatest number of jobs over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:54   last 15 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:55   ok so logically then if you did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:57   syllogism if we give lots of money tax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2337">TS</a>]

00:39:00   breaks or incentives to small business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:03   then lots more jobs should happen and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:04   just think that's not how that works i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:06   not saying don't give money to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:07   but i'm saying it's such a simplistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:09   view of things and you know i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:11   if it's going to take a super train to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:13   help people understand how this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:14   needs to be integrated but my senses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:16   when you give anybody money they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:18   try to spend it on things that benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:20   them they're not interested in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22   conclusions about why that money was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:24   good idea money the liquidity of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:27   is what allows people to do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:28   with it they could they could spend that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:30   on you know on on rim jobs and dr.pepper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:33   you know we're not on Jason from here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:35   okay i didn't know the dr pepper man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:38   haha well but that as you say I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:42   central first of all is that I mean this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:43   doesn't make any sense when you talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:45   about I don't get into the politics of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:46   this but that I think this is at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:49   higher level this is a really really big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:51   problem unless you're going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:53   something as sweeping as the new deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:54   where we basically all agree there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:56   some great things that were will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:57   built and other things where we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2397">TS</a>]

00:39:58   need to get money to people and get them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:00   back to work in a way that will make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:04   them more dignified and part of the body [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:06   politic again and we'll keep the unions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:08   from revolting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:10   did you think I I feel like that and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:13   have demonized big government in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:15   people's minds so much because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:17   because what big government represents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   two people is that some bureaucrat is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:22   going to tell you that you have to hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:24   people of a race that you don't admire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:27   you know like big government to most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:30   people in America is it is a simple 121 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:33   like you're taking my tax dollars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:35   then telling me that my kids have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:38   to school in the worst school in town in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:41   order to make up for some disadvantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:45   that minority kids have their orders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:48   practical level you have to go hire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:50   people whether it of any quality where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:53   people of that particular quality that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:55   you want to give jobs to there's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:57   simply and not not enough people with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:59   that genetic component that are doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:01   what we do we want you we want you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:03   hire more physics experts and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:08   should be they should be black women or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:12   they should well first of all let's look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:13   at how many black women are physicists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:14   right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:15   well that might be a different problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:16   to solve yeah yeah but it is that social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:20   engineering component [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:22   however it manifests itself that freaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:24   people out that that big government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:27   particularly in the hands of liberals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:29   for the last 50 years has engaged in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:31   kind of social engineering experiment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:34   nationwide in a thousand different ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36   and that is the thing that Paul's people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:39   in basically anywhere outside of San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:42   Francisco New York LA chicago and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:44   seattle and well leaving aside whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:50   that social engineering experiment has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:53   merit or is successful that what has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:56   what has been you know the the baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:59   that's been taught tossed out with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:00   bathwater there is the idea that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:06   would be any organizing principle to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:08   way we approach the the development of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:12   america and you know we built the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:14   interstate highway system in it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:17   was eisenhower that did it in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:19   absolutely socialistic fashion you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:22   Eisenhower said we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:23   to use eminent domain to go to all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:27   the states in the nation and just take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:29   away land from people and employ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:33   thousands and thousands of people with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:36   this disease can be super highways if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:38   take that San Francisco the do we never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:41   see if these curve too much they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:42   they're not even gonna be highways let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:44   me just gonna go although when they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:46   building the interstate highways they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:47   found the the Pennsylvania Turnpike or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:50   the ohio turnpike one of the two one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:52   the first ones that built they built it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:54   two straight huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:57   and people that was just straight for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:58   200 miles and people fell asleep and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:02   drive their cars off the road turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   and there's a good as they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06   developing the interstate highway system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08   they realize that they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:09   manufacture big sweeping curves in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:14   roads where there's no reason for it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:17   order to keep people's attention for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:20   enough that they don't crash so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:22   when you drive the highways it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:24   rare except in places like Montana or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:26   Texas it's very rare that you'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:28   just straight interrupt an interrupted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:31   right straight for 400 miles you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:34   uh it doesn't happen because they built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:36   the engineered it took to kind of wind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:38   its way but anyway what's up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:40   so what you were talking about which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:42   that if you say building like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:47   builders are that is a booming sector of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:52   the economy you and we're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:54   regulate it because government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:55   regulation is bad you get places like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:59   all of florida and nevada where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:03   build five houses for every person in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:06   the town and it's because every one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:09   these builders acting independently says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:12   I gotta get on this train and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:14   nobody at the government level approving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:17   business permits approving building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:19   permits who's saying hold on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:21   do we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:24   600 new McMansions in this area is their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:28   demand for it is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:29   can this town support everybody just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:33   like well government's got to get out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:34   the way because here we come small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:36   business owners you know small business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:38   owners have the moral imperative and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:40   there's no you know this is the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:42   that terrifies libertarians is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:44   imagine some some wizard of oz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:48   bureaucrat sitting behind a curtain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:51   approving or not approving their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:54   building permits to put a new bunker on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:58   their 25 acres and they feel like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2698">TS</a>]

00:45:01   is that is government intrusion that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:04   that is police state ism but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:07   don't have somebody sitting there with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:10   rubber stamp saying I'm not approving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:12   any more building permits for this part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:14   of the town because because I'm the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:18   person in a position to see that we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:20   too many houses right now being built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:23   like we need to put the brakes on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:25   then you get these you get this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:27   development that just goes just wipes up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:30   the side of a mountain and you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:32   these houses sitting up there and any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:33   dummy can look at and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:35   no one's ever gonna live there like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:37   if you get the epilogue in Florida where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:40   I live so so i was living in that area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:42   in the mid eighties when I came back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:43   after college when the economy was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:45   the shitter guess what you had you had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:47   bunch of uncompleted strip malls yet you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:49   had that one mall the easy haha what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:54   it is a chris rock that says it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:56   like baby clothes you know and greeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:58   cards or whatever its but its true like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2758">TS</a>]

00:45:59   that one mall that was barely hanging on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01   is gone and now it's you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:03   eventually I think everything what when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:06   things we stretching more farmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:08   markets and and flea markets in places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:11   that used to be retail stores i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:13   that's a pretty good sign that something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:15   went a little off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:16   yeah and the solution in most cases the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:19   the BM the raw capitalist solution to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:23   that is to go build another strip mall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:25   in a newer neighborhood you know it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:27   not to repurpose that old strip mall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:31   that's now full of RC modeler stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:35   you know it is not to tear down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:38   shitty motel style apartment building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:42   and build build something new there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:44   rather than tear down the Victorian you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:47   know the solution is always go build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:50   another one somewhere else and try and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:52   you know trying to light the gasoline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:55   over there so it's going to burn real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:58   hot and we're going to think we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2818">TS</a>]

00:47:00   making money we're generating money over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:01   there and there's just there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:03   collective memory of all these about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:07   this trail of strip malls it's like them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:10   it's like the islands of Hawaii if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:13   look at Hawaii the reason it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2833">TS</a>]

00:47:15   a like a dragon's tail is that there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:20   hot spot under the ocean and over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:24   course of millennia you know the the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:28   the shifting crusts under the ocean have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:32   moved they haven't they moved along this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:37   hotspot and the hotspot keeps producing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:38   islands and then the islands move on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:41   crust in the wake of this burning you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:46   know this is burning hole and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:50   agenda done yet this is all new to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:52   yeah that's true of economic development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:53   to the the burning hole keeps moving in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:56   its wake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:57   are these nail salons and RC modeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2877">TS</a>]

00:48:01   stores that used to be a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:03   boutiques and Starbucks's or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:06   the starbucks equivalent 40 years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:09   was which was not Orange Julius it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:13   stuff seeing stuff that about 40 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:15   ago the stuff that would pop up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:17   yeah what was what was a really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:18   well photo/national photo mats em photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:22   places that little Italian restaurant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:24   like home style italian side like old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:27   mall or and ya inside of an old like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:29   mall that front of the highway right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:32   well i'm thinking yeah we're walking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34   there was a little fountain in the bin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:36   Laden right where we're kind of a cherub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:39   had some water coming out of his penis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:42   it's not you know there's probably so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:43   many things senior theses about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:45   that I'll never read but I have to admit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:46   I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:47   I am really fascinated by what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:48   to a mall in particular as it goes down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:50   because there's always there's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:53   these you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:55   ok so in Cincinnati we had northgate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:57   mall and northgate mall was probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:59   the first that was one of the first like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:02   enclosed malls in the United States as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:05   far yeah also has a northgate mall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:07   interesting give a westfield mall we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:10   have a westfield mall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:11   I think we have a self game all ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:15   with this update in itself center or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:17   southcenter but you know it starts out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:19   and everything's glitzy and I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2959">TS</a>]

00:49:21   as a kid you remember this you go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:22   mall as a kid and they have fountains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:23   that worked inside the mountain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:25   yeah inside my head the mountain inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:27   the inside the mall but then also they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:30   would have car shows and van shows and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:33   clearwater mall in clearwater florida i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:34   remember at one point was the my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:37   grandfather knew this exactly including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:38   the asterisks but it was the single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:40   largest mall under one roof in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:44   united states and was huge two-story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:46   mall before these things were had really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:47   caught on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:48   yeah but you know I remember going there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:49   there's a custom van show remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:51   seeing one called the dreamweaver with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   guy for Weaver on repeat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:55   oh yeah remember remember the Pinto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:57   wagon that had a that had a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/2997">TS</a>]

00:50:00   circular window in the back of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:03   window a bubble window Allah Allah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:06   dreamweaver van [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:07   yeah and the you would get open the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:10   tailgate on this Pinto wagon and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:12   inside of the wagon was all plush carpet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:15   this is the thing these shows and zone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:18   out so sexy and I remember one time they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:20   had a thing about the stuff from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:22   future they had a house of the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:23   that looks like a UFO and then it starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:26   slidin down you know I'm pretty soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:27   you've got a bit worried whether used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:28   be like Sheila toes or McAlpin's now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:31   you've got like a pantry pride that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:33   what I'm stride oh that's when you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:35   that but you know it's funny look at our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:38   mall arm all i think is whistling past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:41   the graveyard right now we are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:43   notice on the caravan their mothers the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:44   mall where the apple store is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:46   almost exactly a mile south of where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:47   live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:48   yeah and and used to be walk through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:50   there and see how many places were empty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:52   first I understand how you can have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:53   40 shoe stores in the mall I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:55   understand that but i guess there must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:56   be a reason that they stay alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:58   suddenly there's more places like hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:00   topic there's more places like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:02   high volume younger people kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:04   places there's tons of phone kiosks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:07   but you know what they do now is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:09   the place is empty remember how it used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:10   to be they would just have like like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:12   big boarded-up thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:13   yeah and then the board of thing becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:15   something where they like Drew giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:16   people on it that's right a big mural or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:18   they dropped they'd say this space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:20   available now people carrying shopping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:22   bags now think they light it up and kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:24   of make it look like it's a store and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:27   they they did you know and the things if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:29   you look twice at it you'd realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:30   it's it's it's like staging a model home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:34   really it's a dummy store it's not if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:36   you look at it obviously you can't walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:37   in but I think they're trying to avoid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:40   the missing teeth that those kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:43   places created a mock because i'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:44   bet you for a middle aged person walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:47   into a mall with a lot of stories that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:48   aren't there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:49   you know what I mean it feels handle it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:50   feels like urban or the physics suburban [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:53   retail blight sure like it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:55   the Warriors yeah absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:58   come out and play unless you're i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:03   going to bed on you can open but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:05   know that the what you're describing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:06   also though is like that you know to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:08   into all the infrastructure of what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:10   takes two to do any of those things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:12   like you know are we can have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:14   capacity i'm guessing for things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:16   you know garbage and water and public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:18   transit and stop lights and all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:20   kinds of things we had a friend in when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:23   i was when i was a in junior high who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:25   was the county Administrator I don't use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:27   a rock-and-roll county administrator but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:28   he was a county administrator for pasco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:30   county and he wouldn't just out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:31   nowhere sometimes he would drop these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:33   fascinating facts and you and you know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:35   was saying one day I was helping him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:37   school helping him split some logs i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:40   think for you know four dollars are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:42   that's what she called a flourish it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:45   you grow up in Indiana and made 1850 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:47   Illinois and down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:50   I grew up in formaldehyde house but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:54   said southern yeah you know it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:55   crazy over there by southgate mall it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:57   really not so you know there should be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:58   stoplight there is what can you do about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:00   that Gallagher can you get a John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:02   Gallagher can you get a stop light over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:03   there said you know what I think what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:05   said with you know what it cost to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:06   in a stop sign somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:08   yeah and i forget i think the stoplight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:11   in 1980 and he said any stop by starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:14   at forty thousand dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:15   yeah um which I metal from remembering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:17   that right but what I do remember is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:19   when he told me what it cost to put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:21   stop light or a stop sign was like over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:22   a thousand dollars or something but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:24   was one of those things where was a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:25   wake-up call to me because I just always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:27   assume that there was a warehouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:28   somewhere full of entirely modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:31   stoplights and I got to do some couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:33   guys over there and put it up just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:35   couple guys that changes everything if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:37   you're doing that on US 19 and you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:39   in a new stoplight with the with it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:40   it with al and green arrow and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:43   that changes so many yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:45   butterfly effect Apple absolutely right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:47   now they're building a new subway line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:49   that goes to chinatown and stockton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:51   street is like upside-down it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:53   completely upside down and try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:54   explain to my daughter who just mainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:56   want to go to disney store and have me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:57   shut up that the knock-on effect of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3237">TS</a>]

00:54:00   closing the street for four years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:02   like what that's going to mean to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:03   economy for the been for the was not Ben [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:07   Davis been with the shirt store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:09   Ben Ben Ben Gurion david ben-gurion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:12   store to keep in been than her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:15   Allah Allah main yeah I don't know yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:17   well I that the the thing about local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:21   government you know city government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:23   county government these guys are trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:25   to balance all these factors all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:29   things are happening and we interact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:32   with their decisions mostly on the level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:35   of why is the street closed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:37   why is there not a blank here you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:41   why is there not a stop sign at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:43   intersection who and why why is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:47   never a cop when I can find one you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:49   the these and and everyone so while our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:51   garbage doesn't get picked up and were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:52   like goddamn City Hall but these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:55   who are working in local governments are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:58   trying to you know trying to put out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:01   fires but also trying to try to envision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:03   the big picture of the development of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:06   their region and this argument that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:08   having as a country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:11   this big government versus you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:14   capitalism argument like it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:20   fundamentally doesn't interest me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:22   because it's fundamentally not the art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:23   it's not working with the right argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:26   it's the wrong argument like at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:28   certain point unless you are an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:31   apocalyptic thinker who believes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   the day that you die the world stops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:36   existing and I think a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:38   live this one that's a really good point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:40   i don't know their life such as sad way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:42   to put it but I think you're absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:44   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:44   yeah they either because they think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:47   they're going to heaven or because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:48   just have never thought beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:50   themselves but a lot of people just are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:53   like what are you talking about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:55   hundred years from now there is no such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:57   thing i'm not going to be here so why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3357">TS</a>]

00:55:59   would it matter but without that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3359">TS</a>]

00:56:04   thinking and that kind of thinking is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:05   not inherently it's there's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:08   intrinsically hostile to capitalism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:11   about it but it does and I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:14   people's suspicions that those that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:17   because this is that this is the famous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:19   refrain of libertarians when you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:21   listen somebody needs to decide how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:23   houses are going to build we get built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:25   in las vegas nevada this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:27   it can't be unlimited number of houses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:30   you know we can't we can't let that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:33   number of houses built in Las Vegas be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:35   determined just by how many houses we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:37   can possibly build this year the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:40   Libertarians will instantly say well who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:43   decides who gets to decide about people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:46   who understand the problem well and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:48   implication is that it's someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:50   qualified you know the implication is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:53   that that decision is going to be made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:55   by by some bureaucrat with a degree in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:59   sociology from a local community college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:02   who's going to sit there and smirk at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:04   them as they give as they decline their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3424">TS</a>]

00:57:08   building permit you know and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:12   such a pervasive attitude and it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:15   a funny thing when you think about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:17   politics and in in America and in a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:21   of places works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:22   where most people's political awareness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:24   is at the level of they go to the DMV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:30   and they have a bad experience and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:34   radical Isis that they become anti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:38   government because they went to the DMV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:41   and somebody there was rude to them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:44   charge them what they think is an unfair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:45   amount for their tabs and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:48   that is the depth of their political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:50   experience they have a they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:52   any interaction with with government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:55   other than getting pulled over by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:57   cops having to wait in line at the DMV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3477">TS</a>]

00:57:59   and what the guy comes into their yard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:04   to read their meter you know that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:06   extent of their contact and a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:09   negative experiences it radicalize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:12   people for life because they picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:13   Congress or a picture the people at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:17   City Hall and they imagine it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:19   giant DMV full of likes of like smog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:23   lazy people with whom most of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:25   probably have an agenda smug lazy people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:27   who whether they have an agenda they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:30   certainly have tenure they're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:32   to get fired they are you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:34   part of a they're part of a city union [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:36   or government union and they have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:39   kind of Union smugness and so people you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:42   know people think when they at when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:44   libertarians ask that question who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:46   decides what their picturing is a DMV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:50   and what the country needs or what how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:54   the way we need to think is well yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:58   that's a good question who decides and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:01   it's not it isn't the question isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:05   answered just by asking it in a snare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:07   eway like yeah who decides let's pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:10   somebody you know I mean do we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:14   do we want to basically that's asking do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3554">TS</a>]

00:59:17   we want another layer of government but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:18   it's a but it is a it's a valid question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:20   we need we cannot because the mayor has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:25   to run around town you showing up at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:29   bake sales and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:30   mayor does not have the time to sit at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:33   long table with his council of elders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:35   and consider these things but every city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:38   needs a philosopher you know every city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:41   needs a almost like an existential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:45   project manager excited that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:47   develop of developments are because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:50   cities are all about development the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:53   question the question of cities and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:55   question of america is really a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:58   of development people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3598">TS</a>]

00:59:58   of development people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3598">TS</a>]

01:00:00   owned property they want the right to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   develop and how they want but our mutual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:06   benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:07   depends on occasionally people being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:10   disappointed because you can't always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:13   just do what you want if we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:16   have cities that are coherent you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:20   if our lives are going to be coherent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:22   living together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:24   not everybody gets to do exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:26   they want all the time and just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:28   question as far as development does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:30   also under that rubric you you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:33   also include things like infrastructure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:35   upkeep maintenance fixing the sidewalks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:39   all that incredibly boring and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:40   ridiculously costly stuff that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:42   all factors into the the development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:44   issue right absolutely and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:46   times and this is the this is the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:47   about taxes like the the water that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:51   get out of our tap in seattle is coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:54   through pipes that come all the way down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:57   from the mountains for you know hundreds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3657">TS</a>]

01:01:01   of miles these pipes and they were laid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:04   a hundred years ago or more by teams of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:08   men with shovel shovels and donkeys and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3668">TS</a>]

01:01:12   some of these pipes I swear to you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:14   made out of cedar I'm not kidding you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:18   making that up there are water there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:20   giant water mains in washington state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:22   that are made out of cedar and then a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:27   lot of them that are made out of iron [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:28   and and whatever else and at a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:32   point you need you're gonna need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:34   modernize those systems you know when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:36   went when I bought this house when my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:38   mom bought her house one of the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:39   things we did was we dug up the rusting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:43   old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:45   iron water main that went out to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:48   street and replaced it with it with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:51   new you know sadly PVC water made but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:58   only went out to the street the water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3718">TS</a>]

01:01:59   man that runs under the sidewalk is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:02   whose responsibility it's only the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:05   cities and as you follow that back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:07   the Giant you know the cedar tube that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:10   you could run a super train through that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:13   is buried basically under the street two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:16   blocks from my house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:17   um what do you do when that went up when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:21   that springs a leak you know it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:23   you cannot you cannot talk about taxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:25   you can't talk about development without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:27   understanding that this that all of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:29   cities are built they were built at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:32   time when a guy with a cigar and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:35   handlebar mustache said build a pipe do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:38   it and people did it he did not have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:41   get he did not have to get approval from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:44   seven different city agencies because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:45   they didn't exist yet but now when that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:48   thing when that thing fails it's all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:51   our responsibilities and and more to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:54   point like what do I mean this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:56   public transit question it's like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:58   not building public transit for now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:01   never are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:02   we're always building public transit for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:04   40 years from now and has to be kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3784">TS</a>]

01:03:08   essay and tech forward compatible right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:10   and if you if you if you put it up to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:13   public referendum and you say hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:15   everybody out there to take a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:18   like mute your televisions for a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:20   and let's think about what this city is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:23   going to look like in 40 years and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:25   transit is going to interact with it who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:28   is it who even needs their television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3808">TS</a>]

01:03:30   not nobody does they're all like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:32   how.what blue somebody has to be looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:35   at that and and and making and somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3815">TS</a>]

01:03:38   has to be looking at that empowered to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:40   make decisions because we have people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:41   looking at it we have transit committees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:44   who look at them they're like well this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3824">TS</a>]

01:03:45   is what we have to do but they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:48   empowered they all they can do is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:50   of Limp forward with their project and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:52   try and convince the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:54   the four percent of the population that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:56   reads the newspaper still and then just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3836">TS</a>]

01:03:59   hope that the rest of the people are too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:03   confused to read the ballot initiative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:05   properly i mean that's that's why they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:06   have valid initiatives are are phrased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:08   so convoluted li-like vote yes on no to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:12   the gas project to the double negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:16   active and the funny part is you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:18   when you watch like the the local you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3858">TS</a>]

01:04:21   know planning meetings or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:23   that on on those weird cable stations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:26   accidentally do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:27   yeah but I see this is I I'm really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:31   to come back to this i would like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3871">TS</a>]

01:04:32   consider nominating you to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:33   bizarre it for these things I'd like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:36   to control others are well I mean this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:38   is clearly you need that here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:40   thing like in england right you've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:42   queen and you gotta prime minister i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:44   think they think you know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3884">TS</a>]

01:04:46   you got somebody is therefore the Syrian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:48   ceremonial stuff you might even said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3888">TS</a>]

01:04:49   that the Prime Minister of England is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3889">TS</a>]

01:04:51   little bit of a queen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:52   oh no you did it you are putting yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3892">TS</a>]

01:05:00   you know you got somebody who's there to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3900">TS</a>]

01:05:02   make the tube run on time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:03   yeah and and then you need a Unitas are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:05   you know what i mean but yeah I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3905">TS</a>]

01:05:08   this is why Bloomberg has been such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:10   successful mayor of New York is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:12   Bloomberg and Bloomberg has enough has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3912">TS</a>]

01:05:16   had enough success running that city and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:19   with enough like innovative ideas that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:23   he despite the fact that he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3923">TS</a>]

01:05:24   Republican in an overwhelmingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:26   Democratic City people have embraced him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:28   and despite the fact that he is a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:31   Imperial people are like yeah okay but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:35   he you know he's he's doing some pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:39   cool stuff and so people give him the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:41   leeway this whole like outlawing soda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:44   pops that are bigger than 16 ounces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:47   thing whoever not even Giuliani would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:52   have would have attempted such a such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3952">TS</a>]

01:05:57   nanny state initiative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3957">TS</a>]

01:06:00   uh-huh but but Bloomberg succeeded by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:03   tension by two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:05   precisely yes you can buy to you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:08   carry around a 32 ounce cup and x 2 16 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:11   ounce pops and the green way to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3971">TS</a>]

01:06:13   that is the you know that's hacking that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3973">TS</a>]

01:06:15   that's how can be actually marine life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:17   right you know what I think when I New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3977">TS</a>]

01:06:20   York is one of those places when I stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3980">TS</a>]

01:06:22   there and i imagine it when i look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3982">TS</a>]

01:06:25   the geography of Manhattan Island and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:28   imagine what if New York was built like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3988">TS</a>]

01:06:32   London what if New York was built like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3992">TS</a>]

01:06:35   you originally was which was twisty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/3995">TS</a>]

01:06:40   windy streets that conform to the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:44   or less to the geography of the land [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4004">TS</a>]

01:06:47   k imagine manhattan island without the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:52   crisscrossing right angle boulevards if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:57   if Manhattan had just been developed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4017">TS</a>]

01:07:00   like London just go trails and twisting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:03   little roads I mean you could say oh it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4023">TS</a>]

01:07:06   wouldn't have prospered like it has but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:08   London has prospered who London is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:11   major city of the world and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:13   not two streets running parallel in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4033">TS</a>]

01:07:16   entire city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:18   what if New York had not been greeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:21   you try to imagine the try to imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:26   the city that same way or you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4046">TS</a>]

01:07:29   because because the geography of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4049">TS</a>]

01:07:31   America's it's pretty interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4051">TS</a>]

01:07:32   certainly as you move up the island [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4052">TS</a>]

01:07:34   uh-huh if you had little twisty windy at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:39   skyline with sure look different now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4059">TS</a>]

01:07:41   from what i can tell you why but I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:43   imagined there'd be just fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4063">TS</a>]

01:07:45   skyscrapers in general yeah there would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:47   be if for no other reason than it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:48   be really hard to close off this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4068">TS</a>]

01:07:51   know you know seven-eighths of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4071">TS</a>]

01:07:54   circle ish area and they got a six-block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4074">TS</a>]

01:07:58   area is going to be closed for walkers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4078">TS</a>]

01:07:59   were doing this the crane goes here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4079">TS</a>]

01:08:00   you know I mean yeah well maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4080">TS</a>]

01:08:02   wouldn't be a skyscraper city would look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4082">TS</a>]

01:08:04   like Greenwich Village the whole place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4084">TS</a>]

01:08:06   um but every once awhile when I'm there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:10   I'll stop in union square something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:13   trying to Train hover and get the get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:16   the long view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:17   and be like why would that be don't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4097">TS</a>]

01:08:21   so weird it would seem so much less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:23   metropolitan yeah although London does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:28   not lack metropolitan tennety if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4108">TS</a>]

01:08:32   weird in my head that grid is any1 in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:36   New York maybe four times but it's York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4116">TS</a>]

01:08:39   City but like that greatness that George [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:41   Gershwin but then you kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4121">TS</a>]

01:08:44   criticism that's what it feels like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4124">TS</a>]

01:08:47   is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:47   ya know that it's it's it's just a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:50   just a fantasy fantasy thinking because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:52   of course like it wouldn't be newer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:54   wouldn't be Priscilla put up with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:56   can imagine cabbies having to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4136">TS</a>]

01:08:57   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4137">TS</a>]

01:08:58   well that that that is I mean I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4138">TS</a>]

01:09:00   driven I've driven in london in the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:03   know in the center of the city many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:05   times over the years powerful it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4145">TS</a>]

01:09:07   minutes that's crazy-making and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4147">TS</a>]

01:09:10   people that live there i think even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:12   people who live there the whole life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4152">TS</a>]

01:09:14   still appreciate that it is crazy isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:17   room like that too is around pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:18   crazy to drive it well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4158">TS</a>]

01:09:20   Rome is crazy to drive and not just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:23   that reason but also because people it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4163">TS</a>]

01:09:26   in Italy it is driving in Rome is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:30   driving in Cairo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:31   I mean there's no there's no serbia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:33   there's no other way to put it it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:35   like a that's the fucks about slots and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:41   you know people driving on the sidewalks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4181">TS</a>]

01:09:43   and it's just I just AM cabins that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:46   a thousand times did a quick google map [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4186">TS</a>]

01:09:48   search on how far away my water is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4188">TS</a>]

01:09:51   just I just made himself a few minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4191">TS</a>]

01:09:52   ago at one point that water was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:54   hundred and eighty nine miles away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4194">TS</a>]

01:09:56   here the water that you are drinking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4196">TS</a>]

01:09:57   San Francisco it comes from a place if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4197">TS</a>]

01:10:00   drove there we take 24 hours to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:02   wear my water comes from ya think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:05   how long it takes the water to make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:06   trip like the Sun or something for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:09   reason and I you know so there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:12   thread that runs through a lot of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:13   you're saying i think which is that most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4213">TS</a>]

01:10:15   of just don't really understand how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:19   sausage gets made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:20   yeah yeah yeahs understand on our soap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4220">TS</a>]

01:10:23   boxes and screaming child I mean people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4223">TS</a>]

01:10:24   were screaming at me on twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:26   yesterday because because they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:27   to the DMV that's all that that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4227">TS</a>]

01:10:29   matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:29   autonomy that's like all they need is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:31   the nose that's all they need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4231">TS</a>]

01:10:33   understand everything about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4233">TS</a>]

01:10:34   government works is this certainly women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:37   woman with lots of you know longevity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4237">TS</a>]

01:10:40   performance badges who's not going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:42   something that seems very simple to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:44   for you right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:46   that's emblematic that becomes the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:47   thing that don't you think yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4247">TS</a>]

01:10:48   absolutely ended and it's a question of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4248">TS</a>]

01:10:50   you get your tax bill and it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4250">TS</a>]

01:10:52   unfair and you go that's not right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4252">TS</a>]

01:10:58   that is the depth of your analysis like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4258">TS</a>]

01:11:00   the tax bill seems unfair and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4260">TS</a>]

01:11:03   right because that money is being wasted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4263">TS</a>]

01:11:06   and now i'm outraged and no one that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4266">TS</a>]

01:11:14   is so unusual that a person even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4274">TS</a>]

01:11:16   even a liberal who's like well I pay my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4276">TS</a>]

01:11:18   taxes happily you know investigating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:21   exactly how your tax money is spent on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4281">TS</a>]

01:11:23   what is fascinating and you get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:27   point where you're like my tax bill came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4287">TS</a>]

01:11:31   what am I gonna find you know what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4291">TS</a>]

01:11:34   am I going to discover in it now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4294">TS</a>]

01:11:36   know there are so I'm there there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:38   plenty of waste for sure in government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4298">TS</a>]

01:11:41   but they're trying to do so much you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:45   know government is trying to do so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:48   and if all you have to do is go to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:50   place like Bulgaria where the government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:56   is trying to do a lot of things and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4316">TS</a>]

01:12:01   100-percent making it happen not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4321">TS</a>]

01:12:05   penetrating all the little places you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:08   know and you're you're walking around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4328">TS</a>]

01:12:10   the city and you're like I mean this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4330">TS</a>]

01:12:12   a thing that no one in America has ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4332">TS</a>]

01:12:14   experienced but if you are in Eastern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4334">TS</a>]

01:12:15   Europe and walking down the street you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:17   you see missing manhole covers right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:21   yeah you know well why do you never see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:26   that in America because that if a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:28   manhole cover went missing it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:29   replaced in two seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:31   there is no such thing as a missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:33   manhole cover even in America even in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:36   even in the most bombed out city here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:38   there is enough government to keep that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4358">TS</a>]

01:12:39   from half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4359">TS</a>]

01:12:40   and we're like you wouldn't just drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:43   off like if they're building or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4363">TS</a>]

01:12:46   repairing some part of the highway you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4366">TS</a>]

01:12:48   would never just drive off an OP like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4368">TS</a>]

01:12:50   off-ramp they just stopped in midair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:52   right right i just got to put up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:54   the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:55   yeah there's always I mean and at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4375">TS</a>]

01:12:58   other day my mom was driving down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4378">TS</a>]

01:12:59   street and they're building their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:01   building some public transit here in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:02   Seattle that was conceived by committee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4382">TS</a>]

01:13:06   approved approved by a committee that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:09   was trying to appeal to 15 different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:14   constituencies so that there is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4394">TS</a>]

01:13:16   there was not a very good idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4396">TS</a>]

01:13:18   like if you look at the town you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:20   how it's going to develop over the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4400">TS</a>]

01:13:21   40 years the train should have gone XYZ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:25   but they put the train in you know XP l [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:30   because they had to go by P because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4410">TS</a>]

01:13:33   that's the hospital and that's a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:35   constituencies you have to go have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4415">TS</a>]

01:13:36   train go by the hospital and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:39   and it would be too difficult to to turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4419">TS</a>]

01:13:42   the train around over here anyway they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4422">TS</a>]

01:13:44   they're there they're building what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4424">TS</a>]

01:13:46   what is a good thing and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4426">TS</a>]

01:13:48   building a dumb way because there wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4428">TS</a>]

01:13:50   somebody with the power sitting in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:52   big chair to say it's got to go here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4432">TS</a>]

01:13:55   I'm sorry if that disappoints people but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:56   really this is how this is how it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4436">TS</a>]

01:13:58   look anyway so they're building this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4438">TS</a>]

01:14:00   thing and so we've got the streets all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:03   torn up and there's traffic backed up 42 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4443">TS</a>]

01:14:07   miles along Broadway and my mom is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4447">TS</a>]

01:14:09   sitting at this traffic light and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:10   there's a cop there and the cop is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4450">TS</a>]

01:14:12   ostensibly directing traffic but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4452">TS</a>]

01:14:17   cops got one hand in his pocket and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4457">TS</a>]

01:14:21   just kind of standing there like a dope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4461">TS</a>]

01:14:23   and every once in a while somebody gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:26   in the wrong lane or has his turn signal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:28   on in a way the cup doesn't like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4468">TS</a>]

01:14:30   cop Connie you know will yell at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:33   other guy like keep moving or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4473">TS</a>]

01:14:34   like that but my mom looks at that cop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:38   and what she sees in his place is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4478">TS</a>]

01:14:40   vigorous traffic directing police [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4480">TS</a>]

01:14:43   officer was like come on let's go let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:46   go you know one of those guys that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4486">TS</a>]

01:14:47   see in Manhattan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:49   we've got a whistle and is just clenched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4489">TS</a>]

01:14:52   in his teeth like the model the model of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4492">TS</a>]

01:14:53   clay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4493">TS</a>]

01:14:54   already this guy who's like I'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4494">TS</a>]

01:14:55   charge of this intersection if nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4495">TS</a>]

01:14:57   else if nothing else in my life if my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4497">TS</a>]

01:15:00   wife doesn't love me if my kids don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4500">TS</a>]

01:15:02   listen to me i'm in charge of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4502">TS</a>]

01:15:04   fucking intersection right now and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4504">TS</a>]

01:15:06   want you to go now go now you twit go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4506">TS</a>]

01:15:10   you now go go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:11   okay stop now you go and what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4511">TS</a>]

01:15:15   intersection needed what the city of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:17   seattle needed in that moment was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4517">TS</a>]

01:15:19   cop the cop who had a whistle in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:23   teeth and he was he owned that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4523">TS</a>]

01:15:25   intersection that's a different from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4525">TS</a>]

01:15:26   attitude of a fireman is getting at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4526">TS</a>]

01:15:29   getting you out of the building next to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4529">TS</a>]

01:15:31   the one that's burning right you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4531">TS</a>]

01:15:33   again got clarity of thinking ahead like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4533">TS</a>]

01:15:36   everybody else in here is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4536">TS</a>]

01:15:38   thinking about what's going on and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4538">TS</a>]

01:15:39   they're going to have for dinner and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4539">TS</a>]

01:15:41   gonna stand here and every one of you is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4541">TS</a>]

01:15:42   going to in an orderly way you're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4542">TS</a>]

01:15:44   gonna go through that door and get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:45   of here alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4545">TS</a>]

01:15:46   go go go go and I don't have time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4546">TS</a>]

01:15:49   explain this to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:51   so my mom is sitting at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4551">TS</a>]

01:15:52   intersection and she's looking at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4552">TS</a>]

01:15:54   cop and she's like the city isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4554">TS</a>]

01:15:57   working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4557">TS</a>]

01:15:58   the government isn't working and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4558">TS</a>]

01:16:01   know my mom has has a long view but her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4561">TS</a>]

01:16:04   relationship to the police department in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:07   seattle is is very is very much like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4567">TS</a>]

01:16:12   mom is very she sends a lot of anonymous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4572">TS</a>]

01:16:17   angry letters precinct so she's she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4577">TS</a>]

01:16:23   got her own own little bitter rolodex of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:25   exactly how it should go to she takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4585">TS</a>]

01:16:27   people's badge numbers Oh gotta respect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4587">TS</a>]

01:16:29   that and she writes down this actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:32   follows through she follows through yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:34   she's trying to she's not she doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:36   let the cops off the hook at all but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:38   she's sitting at this intersection she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4598">TS</a>]

01:16:40   like what the fuck is wrong with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4600">TS</a>]

01:16:41   cop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:42   what is wrong with the culture of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:44   police department that this police [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:46   person does not have the does not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4606">TS</a>]

01:16:49   that the energy to actually be directing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4609">TS</a>]

01:16:52   traffic here and she's looking up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4612">TS</a>]

01:16:54   street and looking down the street and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4614">TS</a>]

01:16:55   she's like this is affecting this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4615">TS</a>]

01:16:57   going to affect traffic in seattle all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4617">TS</a>]

01:16:59   day because it had its having a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4619">TS</a>]

01:17:01   having a a reverberatory affect all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:05   through the town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:06   and it's all on this guy who's who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:10   taking a lazy a fair attitude to his job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4630">TS</a>]

01:17:14   here you know and and and honestly if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4634">TS</a>]

01:17:17   was that cop supervisor and drove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4637">TS</a>]

01:17:19   through there and there was nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4639">TS</a>]

01:17:20   blocking the intersection and nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4640">TS</a>]

01:17:23   lying dead on the street you know yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:25   he's doing his job but he's not he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4645">TS</a>]

01:17:29   doing is not really doing the job but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4649">TS</a>]

01:17:32   what you think about all these guys that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:34   came it came to Seattle today to drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4654">TS</a>]

01:17:36   off a bale hay at somebody's kiddie ride [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4656">TS</a>]

01:17:39   and they're driving a dually diesel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:42   dodge pickup truck and they're headed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4662">TS</a>]

01:17:44   back out to their ranch in yakima and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:48   they're waiting at this intersection and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4668">TS</a>]

01:17:51   you know you hear these people talk all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4671">TS</a>]

01:17:52   the time they're like I've never live in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4672">TS</a>]

01:17:54   Seattle hell no although you know just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4674">TS</a>]

01:17:57   bunch of there's a bunch of animals who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4677">TS</a>]

01:18:00   and that's that guy's that's that guy's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4680">TS</a>]

01:18:04   experience of Seattle this is hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4684">TS</a>]

01:18:06   he's got your card yeah he's watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4686">TS</a>]

01:18:07   she's watching that cop and he thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:09   this is bullshit and he is and his vote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4689">TS</a>]

01:18:13   counts the same as mine about whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4693">TS</a>]

01:18:15   Seattle gets the tax money to put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:19   high-speed public transit or to replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:22   our water mains and he's sitting out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4702">TS</a>]

01:18:25   there you know in the same county i live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4705">TS</a>]

01:18:27   in but he's going well you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4707">TS</a>]

01:18:31   money is just wasted who decides it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4711">TS</a>]

01:18:33   just some just some bureaucrat but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4713">TS</a>]

01:18:37   you're onto something that's a theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4717">TS</a>]

01:18:39   I've been trying to bubble around in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4719">TS</a>]

01:18:40   head for a while and it's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4720">TS</a>]

01:18:42   particularly new or unique but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4722">TS</a>]

01:18:45   in example like that it's that is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:48   close to a template for how millions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4728">TS</a>]

01:18:51   interactions go down every day and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:52   can certainly see the results of this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4732">TS</a>]

01:18:54   the internet once you're aware of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4734">TS</a>]

01:18:55   pattern listeners you you may see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4735">TS</a>]

01:18:57   more so you know it's it's it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4737">TS</a>]

01:19:00   a shadow of like how cognitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:02   behavioral therapy works in some ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:04   but more like awful and distorted way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4744">TS</a>]

01:19:06   something happens in the world and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4746">TS</a>]

01:19:09   could be Leslie so you know you're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4749">TS</a>]

01:19:12   DMV and you don't like this person's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4752">TS</a>]

01:19:14   attitude i'm at the safeway and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4754">TS</a>]

01:19:17   like that the person is talking about my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4757">TS</a>]

01:19:18   groceries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4758">TS</a>]

01:19:19   nobody is displeased with how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:21   particular person is or is not directing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4761">TS</a>]

01:19:23   traffic and the one of the very first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4763">TS</a>]

01:19:26   thing that happens is you see something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4766">TS</a>]

01:19:27   happening and you go straight to having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:29   a very strong emotion about it and let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4769">TS</a>]

01:19:31   be honest that you know let's just even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4771">TS</a>]

01:19:33   say that maybe that person is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:34   working optimally or not working to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4774">TS</a>]

01:19:37   spec let's just say for the sake of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4777">TS</a>]

01:19:38   argument that just didn't go as well as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4778">TS</a>]

01:19:40   it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:40   great example customer service people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:42   right you call up and send something was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4782">TS</a>]

01:19:45   broken your you know your Superman ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:48   is not as well articulated as it said in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4788">TS</a>]

01:19:50   the ad and you call this person and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4790">TS</a>]

01:19:52   you're furious but something happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4792">TS</a>]

01:19:53   you get a really strong emotion about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4793">TS</a>]

01:19:56   i eat maybe can't shake and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4796">TS</a>]

01:19:59   feels like it's not a very long there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:01   might be other steps in this but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:03   not a very long leap from for most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:05   people from something happened i have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:06   feeling to this will have an impact on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4806">TS</a>]

01:20:08   society right to like I suddenly have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4808">TS</a>]

01:20:12   such and I think part of it comes out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:14   this impotent feeling that maybe your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4814">TS</a>]

01:20:16   libertarian who thinks that you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4816">TS</a>]

01:20:17   only you know pay for one road that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4817">TS</a>]

01:20:19   everybody uses lightly or whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4819">TS</a>]

01:20:21   maybe you don't mean but whoever you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:23   whatever your political affiliation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:25   I honestly think that most of us it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4825">TS</a>]

01:20:28   starts with an emotion it doesn't start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:29   with going to a planning meeting or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4829">TS</a>]

01:20:31   zoning meeting and understanding it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:32   doesn't start with the understanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4832">TS</a>]

01:20:33   that maybe that guy's cat maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:35   traffic cops cat died that day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4835">TS</a>]

01:20:37   yeah you know it is and the trying to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:39   too too flimsy about this but what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:41   funny is that the people who get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4841">TS</a>]

01:20:42   most worked up and become these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:45   who are connected with the the witch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4845">TS</a>]

01:20:46   called tweet storms or the other bombs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:49   like the people get involved in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4849">TS</a>]

01:20:50   stuff it really just started because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4850">TS</a>]

01:20:52   they're mad at their luggage wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:53   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4853">TS</a>]

01:20:53   yeah you know and in order to quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4853">TS</a>]

01:20:55   Barry it's very soul like well what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4855">TS</a>]

01:20:57   want to do you want me to do you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4857">TS</a>]

01:20:58   just do you want to just pick up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4858">TS</a>]

01:21:00   airport and shake it to your bags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:01   fallout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:02   yeah I'm here and you know what dude on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4862">TS</a>]

01:21:05   the baggage guy and I'm fucking here to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:06   help you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4866">TS</a>]

01:21:07   you're not going to meet another person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:08   here that is that with your attitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:11   you're never going to meet anybody more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4871">TS</a>]

01:21:12   sympathetic than me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4872">TS</a>]

01:21:14   my job is to try and help help you but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4874">TS</a>]

01:21:16   I am NOT God I I can't change the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4876">TS</a>]

01:21:19   that a huge broken system works and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4879">TS</a>]

01:21:21   you're yelling at me is not helping and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4881">TS</a>]

01:21:23   then going on Twitter and yelling about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:25   it is going to help even less even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:27   you get a lynch mob mob it's not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4887">TS</a>]

01:21:28   to change the denver airport and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:30   the this is the this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4890">TS</a>]

01:21:33   the the thing that has affected the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4893">TS</a>]

01:21:35   tenor of our national conversation the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4895">TS</a>]

01:21:38   idea that property rights is a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4898">TS</a>]

01:21:40   that you would shout at somebody is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:44   mean there is no more secure your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:46   farmers your farmers who who want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4906">TS</a>]

01:21:48   want to have you know they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4908">TS</a>]

01:21:49   build a skyscraper they want the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4909">TS</a>]

01:21:50   to build a skyscraper yeah and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4910">TS</a>]

01:21:52   shout this now who do know who do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:54   own any property property rights has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4914">TS</a>]

01:21:56   become a kind of stuff what's wrong with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4916">TS</a>]

01:21:57   Kansas problem it's like you know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4917">TS</a>]

01:21:59   like my mom who have the values of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4919">TS</a>]

01:22:01   extremely extremely right-wing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4921">TS</a>]

01:22:02   Republican and none of the assets to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:04   back it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4924">TS</a>]

01:22:04   yeah right and to the right is the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4924">TS</a>]

01:22:07   they want there are no two more personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:09   words in American politics because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:11   property rights is it's it's it it is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:16   expression of people's feeling that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:19   do not have any power over there they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:21   don't have autonomy they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4941">TS</a>]

01:22:23   power over their environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4943">TS</a>]

01:22:25   well they did they got the ownership [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:26   that God has granted them as an American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4946">TS</a>]

01:22:29   but they don't have the rights that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:30   come with that right well or or or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4950">TS</a>]

01:22:34   they don't see I mean the thing is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4954">TS</a>]

01:22:35   have tremendous sympathy for municipal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:37   governments because I because my people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4957">TS</a>]

01:22:39   all were always in government my uncle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:41   was a was a the mayor of Anchorage my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4961">TS</a>]

01:22:44   dad was on the legislature my granduncle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:47   was a city councilman you know that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4967">TS</a>]

01:22:50   come from these people and I ready and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4970">TS</a>]

01:22:52   end up adding friends with the local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4972">TS</a>]

01:22:54   government here in Seattle and I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4974">TS</a>]

01:22:57   talking about government and so I hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4977">TS</a>]

01:22:59   from them their frustrations and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:01   not expressed as frustrations are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4981">TS</a>]

01:23:03   like this is my job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4983">TS</a>]

01:23:04   it's very hard for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4984">TS</a>]

01:23:07   to go to a meeting where I am saying for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4987">TS</a>]

01:23:10   the for everyone's benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4990">TS</a>]

01:23:14   we need to keep the side of this hill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:19   forested otherwise landslides who will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/4999">TS</a>]

01:23:24   take all the soil off down into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5004">TS</a>]

01:23:27   river and we will have floods and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5007">TS</a>]

01:23:30   will be a natural disaster and i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5010">TS</a>]

01:23:33   saying this to the five guys who own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:35   that hillside and they own that land [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5015">TS</a>]

01:23:39   some of them have owned that land for 80 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:41   years and whether they ever intended to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5021">TS</a>]

01:23:44   cut those trees down who they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5024">TS</a>]

01:23:46   powerful desire to not be told what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5026">TS</a>]

01:23:51   do with that land is deafening them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5031">TS</a>]

01:23:55   if you don't have sympathy for those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5035">TS</a>]

01:23:57   guys who own that hillside you're crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5037">TS</a>]

01:24:00   because you have to have sympathy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5040">TS</a>]

01:24:01   them if that was my land I would feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:03   the same way if that was my land I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5043">TS</a>]

01:24:06   be at that meeting and I would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5046">TS</a>]

01:24:07   god damn you property rights you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5047">TS</a>]

01:24:10   tell me that I can't chop down these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5050">TS</a>]

01:24:11   trees you know and and show me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:14   report show me the science that says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5054">TS</a>]

01:24:16   that this you know you don't know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5056">TS</a>]

01:24:19   sure guy that the landslides are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5059">TS</a>]

01:24:21   to happen like all this in its it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5061">TS</a>]

01:24:23   analogous to global warming it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5063">TS</a>]

01:24:25   analogous to every one of our national [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:27   problems there is a there is some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:29   personal there's a guy at the heart of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5069">TS</a>]

01:24:32   every one of those that has a personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5072">TS</a>]

01:24:33   feeling that you shouldn't be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5073">TS</a>]

01:24:35   tell him what to do but the city the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5075">TS</a>]

01:24:38   whose job it is to keep that from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5078">TS</a>]

01:24:41   happening and it's not his job isn't to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:44   protect his ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5084">TS</a>]

01:24:46   you know this is the other negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5086">TS</a>]

01:24:48   version of government is that the guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5088">TS</a>]

01:24:49   just trying to protect his ass but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5089">TS</a>]

01:24:51   the landslide happens then he's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:53   be on the hook for it and that's his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:54   motivation if the government spent more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5094">TS</a>]

01:24:56   money on landslide remediation they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5096">TS</a>]

01:24:59   got the budget while they take care of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5099">TS</a>]

01:25:00   that instead of picking my pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:02   yeah we're or other there's a million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5102">TS</a>]

01:25:03   permutations of it but most people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:05   were working in government are trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5105">TS</a>]

01:25:06   protect their ask that way or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:08   the high levels they're trying to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5108">TS</a>]

01:25:09   for years down the road and and yet they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5109">TS</a>]

01:25:13   have tremendous sympathy for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5113">TS</a>]

01:25:15   purpose for these people who own that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:17   property [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:18   but their hands are tied and you cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5118">TS</a>]

01:25:22   you cannot go to a meeting like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5122">TS</a>]

01:25:23   come away from it feeling like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5123">TS</a>]

01:25:26   isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5126">TS</a>]

01:25:26   there's any kind of elegant solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5126">TS</a>]

01:25:28   because you're never going to convince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5128">TS</a>]

01:25:29   those five guys and they are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5129">TS</a>]

01:25:32   yell and they're going to say they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5132">TS</a>]

01:25:34   going to say crazy things to you about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5134">TS</a>]

01:25:37   because you are taking you are taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5137">TS</a>]

01:25:39   from them and it's in that case eat you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5139">TS</a>]

01:25:41   I again I don't know if it's the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5141">TS</a>]

01:25:42   year metonymy you are the government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5142">TS</a>]

01:25:44   that person is standing up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5144">TS</a>]

01:25:45   delivering that bad news they may not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5145">TS</a>]

01:25:47   even have had that much of a say in yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5147">TS</a>]

01:25:50   it'll go there the government and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:52   inability to do anything about it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:54   them even more hateable yeah and what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5154">TS</a>]

01:25:57   up what's incredible about our country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5157">TS</a>]

01:25:59   right now is that those five guys who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5159">TS</a>]

01:26:00   own that hillsides covered with trees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5160">TS</a>]

01:26:02   have convinced fifty percent of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5162">TS</a>]

01:26:06   country to be just as mad as they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:10   about it you know fifty percent of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5170">TS</a>]

01:26:13   country the whole town now is mad about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5173">TS</a>]

01:26:15   whether or not these guys should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5175">TS</a>]

01:26:17   allowed to cut down those trees and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:20   create an inevitable mudslide that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5180">TS</a>]

01:26:22   that blocks the river and you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:26   there are people saying show us the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:28   report and there are people saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:29   property rights above all and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5189">TS</a>]

01:26:31   people saying who decides and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5191">TS</a>]

01:26:36   there's that you know then there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5196">TS</a>]

01:26:38   the government that's like well shit you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5198">TS</a>]

01:26:40   guys seriously did you really do I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5200">TS</a>]

01:26:43   to show you every time this has happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5203">TS</a>]

01:26:45   before do I have to show me come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5205">TS</a>]

01:26:46   sweet we need to just make this decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5206">TS</a>]

01:26:49   and it's got to get made and you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5209">TS</a>]

01:26:51   sympathy for those people but you also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5211">TS</a>]

01:26:53   say what do you think is the proper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5213">TS</a>]

01:26:55   amount of evidence that they should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5215">TS</a>]

01:26:58   presented to them like you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5218">TS</a>]

01:27:00   you're pretty skeptical guy you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5220">TS</a>]

01:27:02   like being ripped off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5222">TS</a>]

01:27:03   well how do you so when the club owner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5223">TS</a>]

01:27:04   says I'm you know I agreed to pay this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5224">TS</a>]

01:27:07   much or less even say that so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5227">TS</a>]

01:27:09   know how I can give you an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5229">TS</a>]

01:27:10   without you find a great loophole but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5230">TS</a>]

01:27:12   let's say they want to give you less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5232">TS</a>]

01:27:13   than you expected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5233">TS</a>]

01:27:14   like what the evidence that you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5234">TS</a>]

01:27:16   accept told you sure it's the same in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5236">TS</a>]

01:27:19   every aspect if somebody you know I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:21   a lot of people have somebody on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5241">TS</a>]

01:27:22   writes them whispers response to one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5242">TS</a>]

01:27:25   your tweets and says so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:26   q you don't know what you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5246">TS</a>]

01:27:27   about that they just blocked that person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:29   immediately because they just there they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5249">TS</a>]

01:27:32   don't need that in their lives for me if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5252">TS</a>]

01:27:35   somebody I pft that says fuck you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5255">TS</a>]

01:27:39   don't know what you're talking about i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5259">TS</a>]

01:27:40   always reply can i block these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5260">TS</a>]

01:27:43   for you so you don't even have to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5263">TS</a>]

01:27:44   them John i always reply because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5264">TS</a>]

01:27:46   twenty-five percent of the time there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5266">TS</a>]

01:27:49   was a guy yesterday who listen to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5269">TS</a>]

01:27:52   podcast on depression and wrote me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:57   tweet I swear to you Merlin wrote me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5277">TS</a>]

01:27:59   tweet that said fuck you ! depression is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:05   easy to cure you just have to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5285">TS</a>]

01:28:10   fuck you that's that sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5290">TS</a>]

01:28:14   trolling who knows what it was but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5294">TS</a>]

01:28:18   mean how did you get person believed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5298">TS</a>]

01:28:19   that well so I so the thing is if I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5299">TS</a>]

01:28:22   blocked him i would never know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5302">TS</a>]

01:28:24   so what i wrote it was gee sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5304">TS</a>]

01:28:28   you've really got depression under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5308">TS</a>]

01:28:30   control like good on you know you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5310">TS</a>]

01:28:33   sound super healthy which is sarcastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5313">TS</a>]

01:28:38   but also an opportunity for this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5318">TS</a>]

01:28:43   to stop and think about what they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5323">TS</a>]

01:28:45   did and this morning I wake up and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5325">TS</a>]

01:28:48   have a tweet from this guy going i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5328">TS</a>]

01:28:50   apologize i was rude i have i've deleted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5330">TS</a>]

01:28:57   that tweet and I'm embarrassed that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5337">TS</a>]

01:28:59   become tweet delete guy and I had no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5339">TS</a>]

01:29:03   there was i have no right to talk to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5343">TS</a>]

01:29:04   that what happened to our seattle to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5344">TS</a>]

01:29:06   got you got somebody deleted a tweet you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5346">TS</a>]

01:29:08   yeah and so huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5348">TS</a>]

01:29:11   that right there is the amount of due [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:15   diligence and then I think anybody is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5355">TS</a>]

01:29:18   owed because there are all kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5358">TS</a>]

01:29:21   people out there who are going to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5361">TS</a>]

01:29:23   what fuck you know and if you say yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5363">TS</a>]

01:29:27   okay you sound like you're a little mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5367">TS</a>]

01:29:29   now you want to talk about it anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5369">TS</a>]

01:29:32   when people say that to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5372">TS</a>]

01:29:33   I do because I'm because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5373">TS</a>]

01:29:37   I always think about how mad I am haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5377">TS</a>]

01:29:40   but but you give him that chance and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5380">TS</a>]

01:29:44   they if they come back and say oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5384">TS</a>]

01:29:47   I'm sorry I'm so embarrassed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5387">TS</a>]

01:29:49   then you know that you're dealing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5389">TS</a>]

01:29:50   the at least the beginning of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5390">TS</a>]

01:29:53   reasonable person if their response to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:56   that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5396">TS</a>]

01:29:57   fuck you then they're blocked and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5397">TS</a>]

01:30:00   know and if there if you do if you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5400">TS</a>]

01:30:01   that in a city council meeting and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:03   say fuck you you know my feelings you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5403">TS</a>]

01:30:07   have you have shown them all the reports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:08   you need to show him right up but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5408">TS</a>]

01:30:10   is not how necessarily a democracy works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5410">TS</a>]

01:30:13   that is how supertrain works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5413">TS</a>]

01:30:15   Oh everybody as super train ploughs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5415">TS</a>]

01:30:18   across the land everybody will get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5418">TS</a>]

01:30:20   chance to read the report but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:23   gonna get one chance to read it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5423">TS</a>]

01:30:24   like a lot of people will understand it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5424">TS</a>]

01:30:26   on the face of it will understand a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5426">TS</a>]

01:30:28   crane a cloth people understand a claw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5428">TS</a>]

01:30:32   on a train it's just something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5432">TS</a>]

01:30:34   understand even illiterate people even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5434">TS</a>]

01:30:37   people who don't speak English you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5437">TS</a>]

01:30:38   going to see the claw on the train [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5438">TS</a>]

01:30:39   coming and they're gonna go i get this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5439">TS</a>]

01:30:42   I grass is it i mean it is certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5442">TS</a>]

01:30:45   maybe not in national census day it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5445">TS</a>]

01:30:47   involve a certain kind of eminent domain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5447">TS</a>]

01:30:49   oh so my struggle and understanding a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5449">TS</a>]

01:30:53   little the name of super train is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5453">TS</a>]

01:30:57   eminent domain to be written across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5457">TS</a>]

01:30:59   front of the engine in script and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5459">TS</a>]

01:31:02   don't make letter so they can see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5462">TS</a>]

01:31:04   coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5464">TS</a>]

01:31:04   it's flashing Christ comes the eminent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5464">TS</a>]

01:31:07   down the eight-minute domain has arrived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:09   and the claw is like the claw is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5469">TS</a>]

01:31:13   choosing which houses which forested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5473">TS</a>]

01:31:15   hills from it from a distance again here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5475">TS</a>]

01:31:18   you could just be the claw is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5478">TS</a>]

01:31:23   warming up people here and getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5483">TS</a>]

01:31:24   closer and closer i love it and remain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:33   first I is is probably running too long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5493">TS</a>]

01:31:39   but I am epic think that was probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5499">TS</a>]

01:31:42   good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5502">TS</a>]

01:31:42   yeah why had a good anko OU what was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5502">TS</a>]

01:31:45   so important but not what I want to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5505">TS</a>]

01:31:47   an anecdote that you know thank you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5507">TS</a>]

01:31:49   me it's your show well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5509">TS</a>]

01:31:50   I am i I'm trying to grow is pursuing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5510">TS</a>]

01:31:53   general this out for Cleveland I'm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5513">TS</a>]

01:31:56   editor on the decider i'm not in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5516">TS</a>]

01:31:58   eminent domain owner that's true in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5518">TS</a>]

01:32:00   sense in the show you are absolutely the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:03   mayor I'm not the man that I'm so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5523">TS</a>]

01:32:06   the mayor of open-air okay you are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:08   US the city bureaucrat on the rock and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5528">TS</a>]

01:32:10   roll county executive of the podcast I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5530">TS</a>]

01:32:13   admire your work and I have a limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5533">TS</a>]

01:32:15   amount of power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5535">TS</a>]

01:32:16   yeah but I'm exercise it with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5536">TS</a>]

01:32:20   probably but you need to go right home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5540">TS</a>]

01:32:21   and not but I want to hear your amex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5541">TS</a>]

01:32:23   notes i'll save it save it for another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5543">TS</a>]

01:32:24   show i just know it's just on the train [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5544">TS</a>]

01:32:27   is just something that has become for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5547">TS</a>]

01:32:31   well I don't know why but I i keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5551">TS</a>]

01:32:33   coming up with this these things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:34   used to happen to me that are that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5554">TS</a>]

01:32:37   making me sympathetic to the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5557">TS</a>]

01:32:41   are getting yelled at when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:42   trying to help you you know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5562">TS</a>]

01:32:44   and it's a note to me it sums up a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5564">TS</a>]

01:32:47   of what you're talking about and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5567">TS</a>]

01:32:48   this is you know I you know when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5568">TS</a>]

01:32:51   first met I was doing web development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5571">TS</a>]

01:32:53   and project management as as my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5573">TS</a>]

01:32:55   livelihood and I've been doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5575">TS</a>]

01:32:56   since 1995 and when i started doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5576">TS</a>]

01:32:59   1995 I'm part of my job in some ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5579">TS</a>]

01:33:03   which was educating people about why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5583">TS</a>]

01:33:05   fuck they would want a website and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5585">TS</a>]

01:33:07   is the internet I mean to be honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5587">TS</a>]

01:33:09   there are a lot of people who didn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5589">TS</a>]

01:33:11   know I wasn't making a lot of money from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5591">TS</a>]

01:33:13   it but nevertheless you know they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5593">TS</a>]

01:33:14   they would sooner try and get an AOL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5594">TS</a>]

01:33:16   keyword then they would try to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5596">TS</a>]

01:33:17   website that why i don't have that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5597">TS</a>]

01:33:19   don't look at those why would anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5599">TS</a>]

01:33:21   else and that got easier over time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5601">TS</a>]

01:33:23   the opacity of how internet technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5603">TS</a>]

01:33:25   works which is something i'm certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:27   not the master of that stuff but I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5607">TS</a>]

01:33:29   will tell you that that most people I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5609">TS</a>]

01:33:30   work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5610">TS</a>]

01:33:31   we're hiring me because of the tiny bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5611">TS</a>]

01:33:33   of expertise i had and basically talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5613">TS</a>]

01:33:35   to them figuring out what they wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5615">TS</a>]

01:33:38   turning it into a graphical web site and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5618">TS</a>]

01:33:40   then using a basic ftp technology to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5620">TS</a>]

01:33:44   it onto a web server where people could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5624">TS</a>]

01:33:46   get to it and that's what my job was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5626">TS</a>]

01:33:48   job was to try and make a graphical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5628">TS</a>]

01:33:50   design for a website and then put it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5630">TS</a>]

01:33:53   and then they look at it in the browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5633">TS</a>]

01:33:55   and then maybe you know emails get sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5635">TS</a>]

01:33:58   through a little perl script form so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5638">TS</a>]

01:34:00   they can make informed people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5640">TS</a>]

01:34:02   people can use to send them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5642">TS</a>]

01:34:03   male and so forth but there's a funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5643">TS</a>]

01:34:05   thing that happens in actually is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5645">TS</a>]

01:34:07   wonderful tumblr called clients from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5647">TS</a>]

01:34:08   hell that covers a lot of these kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5648">TS</a>]

01:34:10   stories but one thing that used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5650">TS</a>]

01:34:11   happen to me a surprising amount of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5651">TS</a>]

01:34:13   time was that I would get a call from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:17   client often a client that hadn't been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5657">TS</a>]

01:34:19   client for several months and they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5659">TS</a>]

01:34:22   say things like and if anybody has ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5662">TS</a>]

01:34:25   done this for a living is already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5665">TS</a>]

01:34:26   nodding because this happens all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5666">TS</a>]

01:34:29   time so people call me up and they say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5669">TS</a>]

01:34:31   can't get to my website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5671">TS</a>]

01:34:33   ok you can get your website is it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5673">TS</a>]

01:34:35   would say was I'm that can see it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5675">TS</a>]

01:34:36   here and saying no it's not but nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5676">TS</a>]

01:34:39   is coming up well and you see where this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5679">TS</a>]

01:34:43   is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5683">TS</a>]

01:34:44   so basically in order for them to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5684">TS</a>]

01:34:46   feel like I'm a dick i would have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5686">TS</a>]

01:34:48   trace through whether their computer was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5688">TS</a>]

01:34:50   on whether they were in a web browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5690">TS</a>]

01:34:53   whether whether whether they're ethernet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:58   cable is plugged in John weather haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5698">TS</a>]

01:35:01   what you know whether their isp was down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5701">TS</a>]

01:35:05   and so all you know what whereas they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5705">TS</a>]

01:35:07   hired me to make them a website and put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5707">TS</a>]

01:35:10   it up and who knows maybe I frame that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5710">TS</a>]

01:35:12   badly now I'm the one who has to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5712">TS</a>]

01:35:14   them whether they're Hayes modem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5714">TS</a>]

01:35:15   configured configured correctly with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5715">TS</a>]

01:35:17   right codes & ampersand in order to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5717">TS</a>]

01:35:19   a signal or I'm the one trying to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5719">TS</a>]

01:35:21   their credit card expired on AOL or I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5721">TS</a>]

01:35:23   the one explaining that they're using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5723">TS</a>]

01:35:25   five-year-old web browser or or I'm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5725">TS</a>]

01:35:28   one telling that the because the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5728">TS</a>]

01:35:29   there brother-in-law's house on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5729">TS</a>]

01:35:31   different size screen that's how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5731">TS</a>]

01:35:33   color all fucked up that's that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:35   seeing something that's really screwed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5735">TS</a>]

01:35:37   up and I don't have the ability to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5737">TS</a>]

01:35:40   anything about any of that but now I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5740">TS</a>]

01:35:43   the dick like I got you know thing was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:45   I'm accessible like you knew how to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5745">TS</a>]

01:35:47   me or you knew how to email me I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5747">TS</a>]

01:35:50   gracious enough to talk to you even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5750">TS</a>]

01:35:51   though your check didn't clear maybe two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5751">TS</a>]

01:35:53   years ago but you know I always felt in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5753">TS</a>]

01:35:57   a really funny and frustrated position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5757">TS</a>]

01:35:59   because there's nothing I could say to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5759">TS</a>]

01:36:02   that person that didn't sound like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5762">TS</a>]

01:36:03   making a bunch of excuses right all i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5763">TS</a>]

01:36:06   know is i can't get to my website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5766">TS</a>]

01:36:08   well I i know we can all I can really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5768">TS</a>]

01:36:11   tell you is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5771">TS</a>]

01:36:12   that doesn't have anything to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5772">TS</a>]

01:36:14   the website that I may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5774">TS</a>]

01:36:16   well then why did i pay you a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5776">TS</a>]

01:36:18   and seven dollars to make me a website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5778">TS</a>]

01:36:20   well and I never realized that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5780">TS</a>]

01:36:22   sound really really extreme but but when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5782">TS</a>]

01:36:25   I think about that person the DMV at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5785">TS</a>]

01:36:27   DMV or I think about that person they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5787">TS</a>]

01:36:29   think about the fireman he's trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5789">TS</a>]

01:36:31   fire fighter who's trying to get people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5791">TS</a>]

01:36:33   out of that building you know to explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5793">TS</a>]

01:36:36   how it is that these peculiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5796">TS</a>]

01:36:39   interaction of oxygen and heat with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5799">TS</a>]

01:36:43   error that causes would in particular to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5803">TS</a>]

01:36:45   be a particularly inflammable and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5805">TS</a>]

01:36:47   buildings are made out of what like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5807">TS</a>]

01:36:49   have to explain all that when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5809">TS</a>]

01:36:51   going why are you being such a screaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:52   asshole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5812">TS</a>]

01:36:53   yeah 1 i'm being screaming asshole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:55   because on the screaming asshole who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5815">TS</a>]

01:36:56   might save your life right and by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5816">TS</a>]

01:36:59   same token if they went to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5819">TS</a>]

01:37:00   firefighter and said wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5820">TS</a>]

01:37:01   why isn't there a stoplight by southgate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5821">TS</a>]

01:37:03   mall he could say well eh I don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5823">TS</a>]

01:37:06   anything to do with stoplights even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5826">TS</a>]

01:37:07   though i'm technically in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5827">TS</a>]

01:37:08   quote-unquote government and you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5828">TS</a>]

01:37:10   your fucking ass out of the building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5830">TS</a>]

01:37:12   yeah and i think i think that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5832">TS</a>]

01:37:14   interesting part of that if there is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5834">TS</a>]

01:37:17   interesting part is that for my clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5837">TS</a>]

01:37:19   that I had and these are the kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5839">TS</a>]

01:37:21   clients who you know there's things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5841">TS</a>]

01:37:22   you would see classic stories you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5842">TS</a>]

01:37:24   the old jokes about people who put their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5844">TS</a>]

01:37:26   drink in the CD holder the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5846">TS</a>]

01:37:28   touch the mouse of the screen with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5848">TS</a>]

01:37:30   Mouse the people who always go to yahoo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5850">TS</a>]

01:37:33   to search for websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5853">TS</a>]

01:37:35   everybody's got these everybody in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5855">TS</a>]

01:37:36   family who is older than my age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5856">TS</a>]

01:37:38   DoubleClick's links they double click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5858">TS</a>]

01:37:41   every link and I tell me you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5861">TS</a>]

01:37:42   don't need to double-click the agent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5862">TS</a>]

01:37:43   click that once so on the asshole right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5863">TS</a>]

01:37:46   up but my point being that it isn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5866">TS</a>]

01:37:49   we have to understand everything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5869">TS</a>]

01:37:52   how a computer works but it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5872">TS</a>]

01:37:54   nice to understand enough in that case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5874">TS</a>]

01:37:56   to know who to call and whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5876">TS</a>]

01:37:59   helpful to yell at anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5879">TS</a>]

01:38:01   yeah and and that's what I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5881">TS</a>]

01:38:02   when the point only is tiny point I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5882">TS</a>]

01:38:04   trying to make about the whole like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5884">TS</a>]

01:38:07   people who show up those meetings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5887">TS</a>]

01:38:09   well like for example on pals with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5889">TS</a>]

01:38:10   guy who's our merchant Association [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5890">TS</a>]

01:38:12   liaison for our neighborhood that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5892">TS</a>]

01:38:15   basically the only people who show up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5895">TS</a>]

01:38:17   for anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5897">TS</a>]

01:38:18   it's like this handful of Chinese ladies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5898">TS</a>]

01:38:20   with an agenda and then I'll take care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5900">TS</a>]

01:38:22   of that i'll do that i'll do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5902">TS</a>]

01:38:23   because they know that they're so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5903">TS</a>]

01:38:25   there's there's so much stuff that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:28   be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5908">TS</a>]

01:38:29   they're going to make sure that the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5909">TS</a>]

01:38:30   stuff that gets done is the stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5910">TS</a>]

01:38:31   benefits them nobody else is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5911">TS</a>]

01:38:33   those meetings but it isn't until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5913">TS</a>]

01:38:34   there's no 35 bubble drink places and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5914">TS</a>]

01:38:38   75 verizon stores that people go our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5918">TS</a>]

01:38:40   neighborhoods getting kind of weird and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5920">TS</a>]

01:38:42   it's safe everybody if everybody showed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5922">TS</a>]

01:38:44   up and followed everything they go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5924">TS</a>]

01:38:46   all of those meetings and they learn to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5926">TS</a>]

01:38:48   understand how that works but that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5928">TS</a>]

01:38:50   downside of the way that a system like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5930">TS</a>]

01:38:52   ours works is that the bigger it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5932">TS</a>]

01:38:53   the more moving parts that are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5933">TS</a>]

01:38:55   harder it is to understand and into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5935">TS</a>]

01:38:57   general point that the more abstraction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5937">TS</a>]

01:38:59   there is between that messenger who had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5939">TS</a>]

01:39:02   to bring that unhappy message to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5942">TS</a>]

01:39:03   hill people and the and the the myriad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5943">TS</a>]

01:39:06   number of this of connections in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5946">TS</a>]

01:39:08   fucked-up game of telephone that ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5948">TS</a>]

01:39:10   led to that meeting of occurring in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5950">TS</a>]

01:39:11   first place and so I you know I i take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5951">TS</a>]

01:39:14   you the larger point about like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5954">TS</a>]

01:39:16   in there you know I just think this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5956">TS</a>]

01:39:18   basic human problem that we could all be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5958">TS</a>]

01:39:20   better at on a personal level which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5960">TS</a>]

01:39:22   understanding that the person who picks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5962">TS</a>]

01:39:24   up the phone and is willing to listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5964">TS</a>]

01:39:26   you complain is not necessarily the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5966">TS</a>]

01:39:27   person who's to blame for your tax bill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5967">TS</a>]

01:39:30   yeah and and you know the government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5970">TS</a>]

01:39:32   when you said government like what not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5972">TS</a>]

01:39:33   you but like what the fuck does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5973">TS</a>]

01:39:34   mean that's like that's like saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5974">TS</a>]

01:39:36   blame the universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5976">TS</a>]

01:39:38   I mean the government is you know people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5978">TS</a>]

01:39:40   in that aid vehicle who picked you up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5980">TS</a>]

01:39:42   off the street you know it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5982">TS</a>]

01:39:45   it's the people working at Hetch Hetchy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5985">TS</a>]

01:39:46   that bringing my water it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5986">TS</a>]

01:39:49   it's just the lies such a it is time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5989">TS</a>]

01:39:52   azhar it's time for somebody either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5992">TS</a>]

01:39:54   explain this process to people in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5994">TS</a>]

01:39:56   that they can't control or get away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5996">TS</a>]

01:39:58   or to make it not matter anymore and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/5998">TS</a>]

01:40:00   bring a claw into it that's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6000">TS</a>]

01:40:02   solution because i think people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6002">TS</a>]

01:40:03   basically this emotionally driven by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6003">TS</a>]

01:40:06   these things and that emotion quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6006">TS</a>]

01:40:09   turns into like what this means about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6009">TS</a>]

01:40:12   the universe and and then when you try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6012">TS</a>]

01:40:14   to make public policy based on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6014">TS</a>]

01:40:15   you're going to have a total clusterfuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6015">TS</a>]

01:40:17   yeah yeah and you know that farmer stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6017">TS</a>]

01:40:20   for a minute and said oh ok this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6020">TS</a>]

01:40:22   really matter if i want to scare her way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6022">TS</a>]

01:40:23   here but it's a slippery slope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6023">TS</a>]

01:40:25   I've got to protect my my thing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6025">TS</a>]

01:40:26   what I mean it's so anyway I that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6026">TS</a>]

01:40:29   way I look at it because it's helped me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6029">TS</a>]

01:40:30   for one thing with being less frustrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6030">TS</a>]

01:40:32   when somebody yells at me because I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6032">TS</a>]

01:40:34   honestly say to them look I you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6034">TS</a>]

01:40:37   trying to solve the wrong problem and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6037">TS</a>]

01:40:38   you're yelling at the wrong guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6038">TS</a>]

01:40:40   well like you say i think that i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6040">TS</a>]

01:40:43   the introduction of the concept of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6043">TS</a>]

01:40:45   abstraction is the key one who because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6045">TS</a>]

01:40:47   that's the big pattern as it gets more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6047">TS</a>]

01:40:49   abstract with this funny thing happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6049">TS</a>]

01:40:52   which is that people think that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6052">TS</a>]

01:40:56   now dealing with a world of unlimited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6056">TS</a>]

01:40:58   possibility like in in cases where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6058">TS</a>]

01:41:03   people understand the whole chain of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6063">TS</a>]

01:41:05   events they also understand where their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6065">TS</a>]

01:41:10   where there's no more you can do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6070">TS</a>]

01:41:14   know what I mean like if your if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6074">TS</a>]

01:41:18   kid falls through the ice and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6078">TS</a>]

01:41:21   standing on the side of the lake and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6081">TS</a>]

01:41:22   you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6082">TS</a>]

01:41:23   help help rescue my kid and the firemen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6083">TS</a>]

01:41:29   goes crawls out on the ice and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6089">TS</a>]

01:41:31   firemen falls through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6091">TS</a>]

01:41:34   at a certain point you understand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6094">TS</a>]

01:41:37   no one can rescue your kid because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6097">TS</a>]

01:41:40   watched it you watch the firemen crawl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6100">TS</a>]

01:41:42   out on the ice and fall through and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6102">TS</a>]

01:41:44   there's nothing there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6104">TS</a>]

01:41:45   you know there isn't any magic that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6105">TS</a>]

01:41:47   can bring to bear on this situation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6107">TS</a>]

01:41:51   so if your kid drowned in it in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6111">TS</a>]

01:41:53   Lake you have a certain amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6113">TS</a>]

01:41:56   there's no one to blame you know the kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6116">TS</a>]

01:41:59   just fell through the ice and the final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6119">TS</a>]

01:42:01   training resident in that moment in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6121">TS</a>]

01:42:03   moment and and and for the rest of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6123">TS</a>]

01:42:05   life you have a kind of peace with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6125">TS</a>]

01:42:07   we're like I was there I saw it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6127">TS</a>]

01:42:10   happen i understand that that my kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6130">TS</a>]

01:42:15   couldn't be rescued [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6135">TS</a>]

01:42:16   but if you are standing if your kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6136">TS</a>]

01:42:20   falls through the ice and there's a fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6140">TS</a>]

01:42:22   truck there with a giant a crane and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6142">TS</a>]

01:42:27   say help my kid and the firemen says the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6147">TS</a>]

01:42:30   crane isn't rated to be extended that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6150">TS</a>]

01:42:34   far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6154">TS</a>]

01:42:35   om then it is still true just as true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6155">TS</a>]

01:42:41   that there that they have no technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6161">TS</a>]

01:42:43   that can reach your kid but you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6163">TS</a>]

01:42:46   understand anymore you know and and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6166">TS</a>]

01:42:51   though the firemen knows if he extends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6171">TS</a>]

01:42:52   the crane that far the whole fire trucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6172">TS</a>]

01:42:54   going to tip over into the lake but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6174">TS</a>]

01:42:57   being unable to demonstrate here he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6177">TS</a>]

01:43:00   a reason so but he had a reason to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6180">TS</a>]

01:43:03   look lady I don't know you know I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6183">TS</a>]

01:43:05   would love to help you any way I can but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6185">TS</a>]

01:43:07   if i do that ten people might die right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6187">TS</a>]

01:43:09   but now there's this abstraction of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6189">TS</a>]

01:43:13   crane and what its load limit is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6193">TS</a>]

01:43:15   what how far you can extend it and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6195">TS</a>]

01:43:17   the possibilities are that introduces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6197">TS</a>]

01:43:20   the concept that maybe if he had just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6200">TS</a>]

01:43:22   done it it would have worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6202">TS</a>]

01:43:25   and so then when your kid drowns you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6205">TS</a>]

01:43:28   full of resentment your full you layout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6208">TS</a>]

01:43:31   you lay awake at night and think why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6211">TS</a>]

01:43:33   didn't they just extend the crane why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6213">TS</a>]

01:43:35   didn't they just take that risk and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6215">TS</a>]

01:43:38   see this in your computer in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6218">TS</a>]

01:43:40   computer world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6220">TS</a>]

01:43:41   the less people know about computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6221">TS</a>]

01:43:43   the more they actually think anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6223">TS</a>]

01:43:45   can happen that you can just touch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6225">TS</a>]

01:43:48   with your elbow and it suddenly starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6228">TS</a>]

01:43:51   working because that's what it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6231">TS</a>]

01:43:52   like to them who so they get mad at you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6232">TS</a>]

01:43:55   get disproportionately mad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6235">TS</a>]

01:43:57   frustrated with the with you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6237">TS</a>]

01:44:01   inversely proportionate to the amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6241">TS</a>]

01:44:03   understanding they have about how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6243">TS</a>]

01:44:05   thing works and you're sitting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6245">TS</a>]

01:44:06   going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6246">TS</a>]

01:44:06   listen you're just asking me to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6246">TS</a>]

01:44:07   something that does not it is not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6247">TS</a>]

01:44:10   just now that'sthat's to abstractions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6250">TS</a>]

01:44:13   that duel you exactly now that it's two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6253">TS</a>]

01:44:15   completely not paradoxical but contrast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6255">TS</a>]

01:44:17   me maybe paradoxical on the one hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6257">TS</a>]

01:44:19   these fucking computers don't work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6259">TS</a>]

01:44:22   then on the other hand what the fuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6262">TS</a>]

01:44:23   these components computers are supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6263">TS</a>]

01:44:24   to be able to do everything and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6264">TS</a>]

01:44:26   you're making the same picture night you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6266">TS</a>]

01:44:28   but they're really that you're kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6268">TS</a>]

01:44:29   saying different things you're saying on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6269">TS</a>]

01:44:30   the one hand I knew this thing was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6270">TS</a>]

01:44:32   bullshit like I know this government is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6272">TS</a>]

01:44:34   crooked and screwed up and off and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6274">TS</a>]

01:44:37   that isn't doing it but oh my god the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6277">TS</a>]

01:44:38   government should be able to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6278">TS</a>]

01:44:40   it's the government and they've got all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6280">TS</a>]

01:44:41   that money right now but those are both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6281">TS</a>]

01:44:44   those are both you know could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6284">TS</a>]

01:44:45   potentially true and it's at me you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6285">TS</a>]

01:44:47   absolutely right it is it is people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6287">TS</a>]

01:44:49   saying like already i know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6289">TS</a>]

01:44:51   government doesn't work because if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6291">TS</a>]

01:44:53   government works we would all be living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6293">TS</a>]

01:44:55   in undersea cities by now who you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6295">TS</a>]

01:44:58   if government worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6298">TS</a>]

01:45:00   why would there be why why are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6300">TS</a>]

01:45:03   port and Eisenhower would have made in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6303">TS</a>]

01:45:05   Atlantis years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6305">TS</a>]

01:45:06   yeah we should we should all be living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6306">TS</a>]

01:45:07   in Atlantis and the fact that we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6307">TS</a>]

01:45:09   means the government doesn't work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6309">TS</a>]

01:45:11   it's like do you really not understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6311">TS</a>]

01:45:13   the government is people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6313">TS</a>]

01:45:14   yeah fuckin people fucking people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6314">TS</a>]

01:45:20   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEM0MVlw/6320">TS</a>]