Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► hello hey john murray and Men right [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► yeah just thinking the candlestick in [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► John it will come back to you know yeah [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► that's nice you know for a while there I [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► was trying to sing a song for jonathan [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► coulton when I talked to him on the [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► phone and the back [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► the only thing I could come up with was [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► Jonathan Coulton helps your hamburger [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► help you make a great deal and it didn't [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► make any sense to you one of us perfect [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► but there it is [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► uh-huh then as time went on it evolved [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► to jonathan coulton helps you Jonathan [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► cold turn jonathan coulton not Michael [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► Bolton got nothing wrong with Bolton [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► family-run little cool been thinking who [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► have been thinking a lot about Benjamin [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► Franklin since i talked to do you know [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► that always gets my attention [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► yeah I'm convinced now that Benjamin [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► Franklin is more or less responsible for [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► the French Revolution who he was [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► I'm gonna I'm gonna pies and just do a [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► little tightening around the office [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► haha i really want wow ok he was the [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► american society of the just jump in if [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► you're still talking [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► it was the American ambassador Benjamin [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► Franklin to see little handedly [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► responsible [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► yeah to leave the 16th Versailles the [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► picture if you will [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► picture the scene who Ben Franklin came [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► ready [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► he's waltzing around at Versailles and [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► his in his intentionally shabby American [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► clothes and he's he's screwing girls [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► left and right [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► and he's he's he's got a he's got a Oh a [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► witticism a bone marrow for everything [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► he's doing is ben franklin rag and all [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► the aristocracy is like this guy this [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► guy he's incredible this Ben Franklin [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► who and it's planting the seed we got to [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► get rid of this King the Americans are [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► onto something [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► this Ben Franklin is such a character [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► we want a little bit more of this action [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► huh you know they're pooping behind [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► curtains and doing that whole that whole [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► French thing all dressed in pink silk [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► and Franklin's just you know he's [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► wearing his tweeds or whatever his [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► American he's probably got sweatpants on [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► there thinking this is what freedom [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► looks like is that still in the colonial [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► days there's a poster [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► well you know of a French Revolution was [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► 1789 American Revolution of 1776 so [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► there's a slim interregnum there and he [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► introduced a lot love virality we're [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► addressing our viral politics [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► ya see Louie Louie the 16 he he hated [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► the British so much that he thought that [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► he thought that Franklin and the [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► Americans were like on his side he was [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► focused on England right so he thought [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► that align himself with Americans what [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► was going to work out for him because we [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► we were all fighting the British what he [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► didn't realize was the Franklin with [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► shaggin for all lines [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► mhm and spreading sedition is that the [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► fatty r17 version 7 central version of [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► stress mom he was basically Franklin was [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► a giant ball of stress bump in li the [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► 16th underwear drawer and and then then [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► then when it's not when the when the [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► French are like fed up there they have [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► this role model they have this American [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► idea and they're like we can do this [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► he'll only already franklyn's already [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► talked to [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► in order to spread that he's talking to [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► kind of like the M narco middle managers [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► he's talking to people Gentry is talking [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► with people who would benefit from [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► chicken off the shackles the court you [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► know it when you look at the aristocracy [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► and you're a bit at that time and we [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► always think of England England had like [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► several hundred really rich really [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► powerful families but France the way [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► there aristocracy worked there were like [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► fifty thousand aristocratic families in [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► France there are all these little little [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► minor barons and you know so that the [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► court of Louis the sixteenth business [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► baby has this big house and there's [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► just--there's aristocracy everywhere [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► there in the there in the flower garden [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► there there are you know behind the [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► cupboard in the kitchen there are people [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► everywhere and they're all there's this [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► Rankin this hierarchy or this the squire [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► are key and how long is sitting on that [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► one that's another one been sitting on [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► what one square are key that's pretty [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► good yeah Squire r ki square RT all the [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► little squires and and Franklin is there [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► and America is very fashionable at this [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► time right because because hey where we [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► had a revolution where were like where [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► the with the justin bieber of Nations [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► brand-new swoopy hair uh-huh so Franklin [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► and also you know Lafayette was a hero [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► of the American Revolution was gonna ask [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► me they helped up big time we could do [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► without the Germans right yeah they were [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► they were well that but you know in fact [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► the Saxons fought on behalf of of [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► England against the Americans but the [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► French poured money into the revolution [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► so we were we were fast friends big bros [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► but Franklin I'm telling you he was over [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► this was his posting and I think a lot [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► of the I think the Americans you know I [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► think the continental type sent Franklin [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► to france just to get them out of their [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► hair [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► and he was there just a swingin dick [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► Franklin oh all all like slyness and and [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► he's kind of he was I think he was he [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► was he was a goer if you know what I [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► mean he was a finger in the pooper [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► mm that's pretty french mhm so anyway [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► then French Revolution than Napoleon and [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► we know that that leads to World War one [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► so basically Franklin responsible for [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► the Holocaust ah I'm gonna need to make [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► a chart up early this morning you did I [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► was lying you're better i was going to [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► be a minute so hmmm interesting but I [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► really believe that i really believe [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► that there's some meat to this Franklin [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► started the French Revolution theory i [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► was reading I don't click to my share [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► but i was reading a story the other day [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► one of the many things i didn't finish [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► reading this week about Franklin and how [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► it's interesting there's two people I've [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► been thinking about this weekend gold [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► and Benjamin Franklin and two people who [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► learn how to deliberately kind of work [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► their eccentricities goals too much you [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► can save him for another show [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► I'm very interesting guy but Benjamin [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► Franklin i think was entirely he [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► basically for example the the classic [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► example that most of us know and then [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► unknown turns out and did the whole like [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► people tried to replicate the whole kite [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► and the key in a jar lightning thing and [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► it seems that based on what i can gather [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► that either wouldn't work and/or you [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► would die if they're right but you know [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► the thing is he was there so he knows [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► whether or not at work [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► the story went out it was contemporary [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► at the time people knew about mr. [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► Franklin and stuff he had the stoves and [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► whatnot and down and he apparently did [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► very little to dispel that myth or to [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► say does dispel that you know story or i [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► guess i don't think he may have said [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► yeah it's totally happened i was there i [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► Ben Franklin a big swinging dick right [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► but he he enjoyed it [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► is selected me I I have to imagine that [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► helped him get the tip into a lot of [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► butts continental or otherwise you have [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► to have these things about him and yeah [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► and like like the equally annoying Oscar [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► Wilde he he was graded upon mall [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► mmm french french phrase means a bit me [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► sandwich is that right the bun mont get [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► the bottom odds of delicious carrots in [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► the sliced pork [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► yeah yeah well if you want to call it [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► pork and Vietnam French colony just put [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► it all together just right at the around [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► French colony been friendly responsible [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► for Vietnam being sore yet the French [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► the Vichy were 44 the Vichy you know [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► french french first country to send [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► their ass and their juice to the camps [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► first non-german couple well hm [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► yep I'm with you so for anyway I just [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► think it's interesting because you know [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► there's all those it i think the [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► original turns out things for me were [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► dispelling a lot of these myths in the [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► days before snopes when you can just [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► read something like the people's almanac [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► of the book of lists 13 I I learned a [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► lot of what i should be unlearning from [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► this book's Yeah Yeah right yeah well [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► I'm far be it from you or I to ever [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► subscribe to the great man theory of [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► history we don't believe in great men we [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► believe in that we have at least three [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► episodes to staying something to the [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► contrary we believe in the small actions [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► of many many many anonymous people over [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► this is over the centuries [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► callate callate that is that there's no [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► there's no theory of great men and in [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► our podcast now but in this one instance [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► i think i think we can say that Ben [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► Franklin is the wheel upon whom history [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► turn [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► I've got even know where to fucking [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► begin with this so first of all he I [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► think you and I have to look at Ben [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► Franklin and be both odd and furious [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► well yeah Ben Franklin uh if i was going [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► to be if I was going to go back to [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► the Continental Congress I'm of afraid [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► for myself how much I would be the Ben [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► Franklin you know you want to be the [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► Jefferson give a sense of what time they [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► started each day [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► mmm baby starters on a lot of those guys [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► that farmers they were used to getting [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► up early started early but I think [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► Franklin rolled him i think he rolled in [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► a little bit later you through a lumber [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► like Benny and you're gonna come in [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► whenever fucking seats you [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► that's right and you know the phone so [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► I'm sorry i was busy i was busy [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► inventing something that will change [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► your life [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► yeah exactly i was i was inventing [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► eyeglasses I'm sorry i was saving your [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► forebears from a from a wretched [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► agrarian future [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► yeah you know he's a lot older than most [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► of those guys yes and so I think he [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► rolled in whenever the hell he wanted a [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► always born in America right that's [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► important i think he was born in America [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► he's one of the original Americans [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► energy that's right isn't it is an Ogier [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► yeah what okay so you know on the one [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► hand you know early bed early to rise [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► you know porches Almanac you know you [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► definitely don't want to be atoms in [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► that situation even though he he was a [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► great man and he wrote a lot of great [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► stuff you just got a sense that he was a [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► very tense got the kids the Salieri to [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► to Franklin's Mozart because I mean [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► John's did a lot of shit but I think [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► he's got to be sitting around guys over [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► here like I'm doing the heavy lifting I [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► think Jefferson was the Mozart of that [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► analogy [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► oh yes ok I'll accept that and who is [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► emery Abraham haha see in the oh man I [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► think you might have been the omen [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► trying to remember I never saw the omen [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► man i hate to be seen XFM radio program [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► on a plane through there are so many [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► people on the list of people I would [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► hate to be seated next to on a plane [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► Oh covered begin I'm saying I'm saying [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► is it's incredibly frustrating that this [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► great man got so much accomplished he [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► did half of the stuff that he appears to [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► have done it again it's incredibly [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► frustrating [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► yeah well and you know particularly when [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► you get the sense that he was a tinkerer [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► and a nepali mankind about davinci that [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► he was also that he was interrupted but [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► also that he was confident that he would [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► say when the one thing i love about a [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► tinkerer who actually ends up producing [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► things in addition to the ability to [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► synthesize information and so forth is [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► that ability to [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► this might be a thing I spent half a day [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► on this haha bifocals what's was a [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► bifocal you'll see a literally you know [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► but you and I are sitting around you [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► yeah yeah I don't want around devoting [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► ourselves devoting our entire lives to [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► turning lead into gold and at the end [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► reply x we have 42 notebooks varicella [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► Paracelsus my favorite alchemist but [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► then on the other hand and this is this [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► is this could be several episodes but i [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► just want your thought on this [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► I cannot help my family adequately [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► understand how important it is for me to [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► lay in bed awake but not completely [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► awake in the morning and it's and I [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► understand i have to get up and [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► participate in family life I understand [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► that but i'm curious based on the kind [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► of the dynamism that you're bringing [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► with the discussion like Franklin to [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► Holocaust and five easy steps i have to [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► tell you that when I wake up in the [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► morning I don't remember my dreams like [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► I used to and I don't care because [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► dreams are stupid but I do wake up and I [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► can feel this process of thoughts [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► arranging themselves [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► I can feel that there are it's almost [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► like if I would imagine some kind of you [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► know like there's these little will the [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► wisps all just kind of wander and slowly [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► things are starting to make sense and I [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► feel like just about the moment i'm [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► ready to figure everything out my [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► daughter comes in and wants to watch my [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► lawn and she gets me out of bed and I [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► don't know i'm curious if you have [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► something like that my senses that given [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► the opportunity might spend even more [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► time in bed if you could but I actually [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► that's my that's that studies that study [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► special thinking time [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► yeah just as you described that first [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► that that that that process of waking up [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► and gradually coming into the world is [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► absolutely it's the magic the magic hour [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► for me and if it's interrupted I'm [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► otherwise everything is neatly the magic [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► hour between 1145-12 45 but but but I i [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► love it if I if I find myself kind of [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► coming it into awakeness and I roll over [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► and start staring up at the ceiling and [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► all is still a dream you know where my [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► thinking is still happening in dream [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► language but i'm awake [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► and that's a good way to put it yeah and [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► i am and i sit and process all kinds of [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► things and and I don't I I try not to [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► interrupt that I try not to i try not to [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► let like my worries about the day [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► intrude [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► that's a time when it's like mi wonder [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► if ben franklin can be blamed for the [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► Holocaust let me see how do i how do I [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► reverse-engineer West is a whisper over [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► here that one of these is further away [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► and and suddenly there's this a synaptic [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► leap that you don't have if you want [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► super-fine yeah and so I but then I [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► appreciate and this is one of the things [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► where I look at the way the world works [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► I've had I've had this experience and a [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► few times in the last month where I have [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► perceived someone my age of a friend or [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► an associate i have perceived them and [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► their family from from from one remove [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► like kind of appearing in their window [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► on Christmas morning and the thing about [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► the thing about facebook and also [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► knowing people sort of in a wide circle [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► is that everyone's while you get this [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► glimpse inside someone else's home where [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► you really do have the van an intimate [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► vantage point but you're not but you [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► don't get to see how it actually is [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► you're just kind of looking in their [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► window and I've had this experience a of [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► seeing these these people that I know my [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► age and feeling like oh my goodness they [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► are adults there they have an adult [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► house their family their kids think of [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► them as their parents you know like they [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► are mom and dad the way that we thought [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► about our parents and and in the in the [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► reflected glow of that I i look at my [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► own life and I go but I you know I'm I [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► mean I'm I'm not all grown up yet in [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► that way I make my house is not an [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► adult's house it is a house that is [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► transitioning some it's like a it's like [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► am hunting lodge where grandma bomb i [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► disagree i think they could be it could [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► be a a delirious 84-year old man's house [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► ok sure someone who worked in the [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► foreign soon as you might be a super [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► adult [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► that's right a retired adult his left [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► eye but but but that perception that [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► glimpse of other people's worlds and [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► then realizing that part of what makes [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► their house adult is that no one has a [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► half an hour in the morning to lay in [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► bed and let their dreams manifest you [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► know all those people are waking up to a [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► bell and they are they are kicking it [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► into gear and they are going going going [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► and breakfast is it 730 and let's get it [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► let's get going [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► that part of that's part of the adult [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► problem now and I'm this I I first I [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► totally agree with you I feel exactly [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► like I think I feel exactly the same way [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► that if anything though I feel like I [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► represent a collage of different kinds [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► and parts of adulthood different [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► different your adult quilt [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► yeah yeah and the funny thing is i can't [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► even say that like oh I lived like a [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► child but I think like an adult or [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► anything [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► I think like really my thought processes [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► are so compartmentalized and we look [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► like for adults [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► I think like four different adults the [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► Four Horsemen of the adulthood because I [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► mean is there's parts of me that I think [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► are my life would like to think are you [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► know unfortunately not very useful parts [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► but for example I mean while I'm not a [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► Buddhist because I don't you know [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► meditate and stuff like there's this [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► part of me that acceptance is just a [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► huge part of my life in a lot of ways [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► and as may be evident there aren't that [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► many things that I like pine for and I [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► don't like sitting around going oh if [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► only I had this other thing and it's a [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► source of sunday pride but a source of [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► you know the feeling of like if you've [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► accomplished something that used to be a [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► problem and I like that part of myself [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► that I honestly can roll my eyes about [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► things other people obsess over and and [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► and handle that but at the same time if [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► i'm lucky i wake up in a dream state but [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► other times i realize how many adult [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► things I am fucking up every single day [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► and I make noise like I go and whenever [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► i wake up and go and if i get two of [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► those to this become [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► uh I don't want to make that noise well [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► the thing is that your next up at a bad [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► adult part your acceptance is a thing [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► that you and I look at and say well that [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► is very adult-like that isn't that is an [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► adult that I aspire to that I aspire to [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► be someone who has this kind of longview [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► but in fact relative to this looking at [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► other peoples quickly windows on [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► Christmas morning adulthood by their [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► standards or by normal standards is not [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► at all about accepting the long view it [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► is you know what what keeps that engine [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► running is the sort of acquisitive [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► nature of we we we want a bigger house [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► we want to we want a nice her living [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► room we want more stuff from restoration [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► hardware we want or williams-sonoma [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► kitchen appliances I mean that is the [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► stuff that you look in the window and NB [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► like oh my god they have a breadmaker [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► I don't know how their other kitchen [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► chairs match that's so you don't mind [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► you have your own kind of fork wow my [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► kitchen chairs match because I found [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► them in my barn but and somebody else [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► arrange the matching like bar and [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► seating when I got to this house I was [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► like huh I wonder what's in the barn I [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► went over there was like a kitchen table [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► and matching chairs up jack [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► I'll move those over into the house and [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► now again oh that clears your field of [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► vision because now that's off your [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► mental slide puzzle for having to go to [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► the the thrift store right well my Forks [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► don't match and I'm that's a source of [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► personal provide the forks i have that [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► match with mostly lost so we're very [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► close to falling back into the non [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► matching for problem is i go ahead [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► the thing I like about your kitchen is [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► that stainless steel table that was one [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► of the best things we ever did and [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► changed it i mean given the constraints [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► and we live in a very our houses built [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► in 1928 it feels like it it's really [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► weird like a lot of San Francisco houses [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► I don't can't I can't promise this [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► because it might have been built as [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► flats but it was probably built this [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► flat because you know San Francisco [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► especially in the central neighborhoods [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► most of those houses start as one giant [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► house [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► yeah and it feels like it was built as [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► flats I think so I think so but I mean I [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► don't think it's flats for you know I [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► no I think I think maybe it's a flat for [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► a divorced [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► sergeant in 1946 mm 128 I guess [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► somebody's about to lose all their money [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► anyway but somebody somebody with a snap [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► brim fedora and and spat [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► hey co-op triangle this there's so many [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► things about our kitchen in particular [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► that are completely wrong the way I talk [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► to my friends who have all the mod-cons [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► as my mother-in-law says and you know [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► I'm gonna conveniences and so like we [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► have a single sink if you don't know [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► what all the harms our google it dammit [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► well I can always count on that and but [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► we don't have for example the big one [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► big one [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► you know can I make a lot of meat I know [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► you do we do not have a hood we don't [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► have a vent [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► oh interesting what do you do when the [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► house filled with smoke weed eaters much [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► what you precisely turn off the smoke [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► alarm and open windows and basically a [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► greasy fog hangs over my daughter's room [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► for two hours [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► have you ever thought about just having [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► a shopback in America and just leave it [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► on while you cook i had not ready but [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► say I don't get too wound up in this but [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► I think it does this get to an important [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► point and when I cook there's the other [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► problem now not enough should that [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► matter well if we just had a hot plate [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► and we're like the braising tuna fish [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► it wouldn't be a problem but we also [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► have a really shitty oven range and oven [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► and so we get like five BTUs so what I [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► have to do i have to heat a pan up for [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► like four hours [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► I gotta cook with coconut oil because [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► the only way I can get a a seer so I [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► make this incredibly hot pan I throw it [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► in and it's I mean it's like I don't [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► like some kind of Cajun hot place just [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► fills with smoke and so that anyone else [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► we don't have a dishwasher [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► you know we got all cuz there's no place [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► to put a dishwasher will have some of [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► this though is though is that you are [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► renters yeah and you you you don't feel [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► like you can improve your kitchen with [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► your own money because it's not your [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► place we also we have a wonderful [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► relationship of 13 years now with our [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► landlords but they are literally the [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► cheapest people in the world and you [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► have to be cautious if you've got a [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► cheap landlord and no offense they're [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► great people and identity listen the [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► show but but they're great people but [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► you have to be cautious about what you [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► asked them to fix all right because they [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► bring in a little bit of what I secretly [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► referred to as old-world Irish [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► craftsmanship [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► haha sounds like for example [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► in our furnace our original 1928 furnace [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► broke [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► I've told you this and I told our [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► landlord has a wonderful sweet guy he [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► said I haven't had heating the house in [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► 20 years even though he has like three [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► children had three children is Amanda's [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► in his eighties and even though he's a [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► multi-millionaire because not all these [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► houses when there are twenty to sixty [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► thousand dollars and he doesn't have [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► heat in his house at all he's saying I [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► don't know he's got like broken windows [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► he's it's old-world art and so like if [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► you ask them to come over we had for [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► example sometimes were falling in the [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► battle area and everybody did that thing [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► where if you push the wall the wall [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► would give an eighth of an inch when I [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► thought you know what I can take care of [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► I'm gonna hire course I took it down [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► everything locally [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► this is the kind of thing that makes [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► your kid weird we had a hole in the wall [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► made of mold that basically we had a [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► whole I tried to patch it and basically [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► it didn't work i call them up i said hey [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► you know the usual drill like I i tried [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► to fix this myself [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► I don't be a jerk I know you don't like [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► fixing your own house but they came over [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► and they essentially put tile over the [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► whole oh yeah well that's how you do it [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► well you didn't like fix the the [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► underlying wall they literally put tile [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► over a hole-in-the-wall you know that is [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► a great description of Irish politics [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► too is that right yeah I've just been [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► toiling over the hole and Irish politics [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► for 250 years the starchy diet but that [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► acceptance thing I think can be very [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► important I think discussion I think [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► we'll probably clicked off of a recent [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► episode we did but I was talking about [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► back when I used to be a web guy and I [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► have clients that had worked for months [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► who would call me up and complain that [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► the internet wasn't working like the [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► modem didn't work because I was the [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► person they need to call the and I would [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► answer the phone because I'm a gentleman [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► I would end up having to listen to them [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► complain and the more tried to explain [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► to them in the nicest way possible that [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► i wasn't responsible for that the angry [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► they got and and let this two lessons [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► there's less than 12 sided lesson on the [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► one hand like if I'm that guy in a [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► transaction i kinda want to figure out [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► like who I'm yelling at my everything [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► and take a step back and ask myself [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► whether this is something i need to [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► accept and if I'm not willing to accept [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► it is there something other than google [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► me that I can do to solve this [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► and then on the other end I hope this [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► doesn't sound like carelessness but i [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► have just become monumentally [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► universally okay with the fact that I [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► not only can't please everybody [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► but if I did try to please everybody i [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► would screw up pleasing the people that [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► I like and that has become like a huge [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► value for me that I think a lot of [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► fucking adults need to adopt well you [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► know we talked about this the other day [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► it in the sense that I think as people [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► get further and further away from [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► understanding what's going on there [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► sense that that perfection is still [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► possible in that realm grows you know [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► what I mean like it if if I don't [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► understand what is wrong with my [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► computer [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► there's nothing to keep me from thinking [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► that my computer can still do everything [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► I want yes no and then when when you're [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► when you're using a hammer ear can hear [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► your your awareness of what the hammer [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► is capable of is pretty pretty 121 right [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► you don't look at a hammer and think [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► this hammer can make stained glass [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► windows you look at the hammer you go [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► I get it you just pound it just pounds [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► things right I can eat a pound nails I [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► can pound holes in the wall that's the [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► extent of what I can do with this but as [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► you as you get more and more confused [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► about what the capabilities of a thing [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► are there's nothing to there's nothing [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► to keep you from thinking that that [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► thing is that thing is capable of [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► perfection [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► that's why we yell at politicians it's [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► why we are so mad at that's why we're so [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► mad at the world we look around where [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► were confused about what the stakes are [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► anymore were confused about what what [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► banks even do and so in our minds [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► well there's no reason why these things [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► can't be made perfect and all you know [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► essential things fall somebody on [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► Atticus l.a at a call center and scream [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► at them essentially yelling because of [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► lack of perfection in their inability or [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► lack of desire to fix it so right [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► because I understand a little about the [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► process the problem with my iphone is [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► not that things are imperfect and this [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► little machine is struggling to keep up [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► the problem with my iphone is that [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► somebody in cupertino is being a dick [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► and intentionally programming it to be [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► stupid [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► as a as a as a project like has a giant [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► as like a is like a research project and [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► they're filming me be frustrated they're [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► filming me with a secret camera in my [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► phone be frustrated that it won't work [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► because they are Satanists you know and [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► I thought I think a lot of people look [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► at their their consumer electronics I i [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► struggle with this look at their [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► consumer electronics as though as though [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► the reason it's not working is that is [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► some kind of sadistic built-in [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► obsolescence rather than that we're at [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► the dawn of this age and this stuff is [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► just it's just barely able to do what it [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► is doing you know it's just barely able [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► to get it cannot keep up with our [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► imaginations i think i think it does it [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► does it better job not to defend [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► cupertino but they did actually if you [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► had the misfortune to use some non [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► cupertino prod products i think you in [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► fact would appreciate that they're doing [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► a better shit job than all the other [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► shit yes no absolutely there you're not [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► gonna wake up one morning and find a [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► virus on your phone and not in in 1918 I [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► wouldn't have wanted to fly in one of [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► the off-brand airplanes it's right right [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► right brothers with no W but a white [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► brothers and that the who thought I [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► brother's eye but my brother's that's a [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► great name for a gang the I brothers [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► hello well that'll be that'll be the new [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► game changers but i think this is this [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► is one of the things that that science [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► fiction has done to all of us [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► particularly those of us who love [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► science fiction science fiction has left [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► ahead and and become real in our minds [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► so that we are all we all have what we [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► think is a pretty good sense of what [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► interstellar space travel [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► looks like we have a good sense of what [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► a you know fusion energy looks like we [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► have a good sense of how these [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► technologies work and in fact none of [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► those technologies exist at all and so [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► we live in this world where we sit [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► around kind of with a with a constant [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► low-level frustration [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► like why are we not why are we got in on [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► space battleships yet i will but you [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► know our imaginations are unless we are [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► truly you know that the the truly rare [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► kind of very very creative innovative [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► person most of our imaginations are [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► constrained by what's been possible in [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► the past and we tend to think we tend to [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► see if you look at any any decades [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► version of science fiction or in some [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► cases i prefer to call speculative [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► fiction you'll see that it's based on [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► iterating or making a super version of [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► something super dash version of [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► something that already exists so in the [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► future you know the fifties everything [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► looks like televisions in science [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► fiction you know everything like rockets [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► in the sixties and some Star Trek they [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► were all the other the control panel was [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► levers everything was like a little [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► button [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► yeah but you know the thing that I IE [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► you've read a lot more science fiction [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► speculative fiction i have i'm sure but [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► but the thing that I like about the good [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► stuff that I've read is that it [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► yes on the face of it is about you know [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► a future where you have whatever moving [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► sidewalks and laser guns and things you [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► can plug into your brain but all the [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► great ones i'm also the more important [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► more salient part of it is these [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► somewhat dystopian trade-offs that got [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► us there and i'm not just about the [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► Soylent Green or whatever [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► really it really anything that is not [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► too heavy-handed is going to have based [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► in some idea that the thing you thought [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► was going to turn out great is not only [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► not great but really complicated in a [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► way that we never could have expected [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► press [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► well that's it that's why all the the [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► narratives and science fiction are all [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► 500 years old I mean Star Wars is just [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► well yeah the unexpected the unexpected [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► consequences and you know what when i'm [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► in my my my former somewhat former [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► racket of trying to help people do you [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► know work stuff [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► setting aside the fact that you don't [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► have enough time to land bed and think [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► about Hitler is that I mean I think [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► that's actually really important I need [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► to have time every day that you just [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► don't even have to think about how [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► quickly you're gonna get your minivan on [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► the 580 it's crucial is it is crucial [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► and back could be a whole show because I [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► think that's really huge but the there's [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► something else to this though that I [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► don't know III at the risk of sounding [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► like a college sophomore [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► first semester there's this other thing [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► that happens though in shades in the [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► science fiction or I don't know [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► sign switching to me is like what Reagan [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► stuff wanted to speculative fiction I [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► don't that's correct our listener [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► Johnson case will be able to tell me if [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► I'm anyway even though he's in a fantasy [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► he's into like like Gandalf sex vampire [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► TV shows yeah [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► hello gamble such starting a fantasy [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► comics that's pretty good called Sokka [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► but I don't want to get into that show [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► naked boobs now it's not even made my [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► marble the here's to think a ticket [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► william sonoma you take your bread [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► makers you take Cupertino's there is for [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► a lot of people this vision of [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► perfection that to anybody from the [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► outside you would look at and say well [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► that's not really attainable right but [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► it's but it's not only not attainable [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► once you get into a certain suburban [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► treadmill it seems both in very seems [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► just slightly out of reach all the time [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► right right your bread is just this this [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► shy of perfection [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► yeah and I the bread maker is a terrific [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► idea and to return to the Cupertino [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► example let's talk about computers but [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► you know I had a I've had an apple to [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► for whatever are seeing an ipad 2 for [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► companies have an apple do have an apple [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► to c2e2 ya know it is i've had to that [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► is like perfectly fine it's really great [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► so oh my gosh there's rumors [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► there's going to be an ipad 3 i'm good [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► what size would be how many pieces will [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► be can I do this [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► what will the aspect ratio i can tell me [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► my friends are writing about aspect [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► ratio of course I'm saying who fucking [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► cares so you know it comes out the ipad [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► 3 the ipad 3 comes out it is [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► ridiculously faster it has a better [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► screen that is just on another level [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► everybody's so excited they run out and [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► buy an ipad 3 so finally perfection has [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► been reached and you know what happened [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► like in the last month ipad mini plus [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► the ipad 40 what ya so now there's an [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► ipad that's something like twice as fast [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► as the three you're kidding does that [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► make our iPad tues no longer its [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► absolute it is upsal essence it is made [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► you into a puck ask cupertino bitch all [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► your money on the electronic Barrelhead [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► and now you got your dick in your hand [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► and there's a better ipad so suddenly [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► something that i'm talking about this [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► isn't early March or something you have [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► a perfectly fantastic device but now [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► you're mad because they made a better [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► I'm so Matt on behalf of all those [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► people involved breadmakers you got a [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► williams-sonoma and you by the SPH 4516 [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► and then a few months later they do the [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► 45 16a and suddenly you're perfection [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► has been obsolescence that's so annoying [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► it might be my being a college sophomore [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► or is that something to avoid well you [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► know I try to avoid it at all costs but [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► it's not just about computers [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► well but but the problem now is that I [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► could not just as science fiction cannot [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► / to not anticipate the future i could [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► not even a year ago let alone for years [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► ago have anticipated that and and this [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► is a this is an admission that I that I [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► hesitate to make I mean I i still am [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► grappling with it over but I really [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► looked at it the other day and realize [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► that I am now spending an average of [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► three hours a day looking at Twitter [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► looking at my Twitter stream is yours [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► nice to horse because I get my news from [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► there I get my entertainment from their [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► provocations I get all I'm having all my [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► fights with with idiots they're like all [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► the fights with idiots that I used to [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► have to farm out to the world did I send [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► them by courier I used to have to go to [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► costco I used to have to go to the two [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► like a hipster bakery [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► I just have to drive all over town to [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► get in fights with 10 years it's so [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► inconvenient you would have to maintain [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► all of those but by automobile [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► yeah and now i can sit in a couple more [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► here and have fights with almost [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► unlimited streaming video people you've [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► never met people have never met people I [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► I nuttin and i don't mean to call this [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► guy because I think he's very smart but [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► I have been having a political argument [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► with what I think is a Dominican brother [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► on twitter now why a dominican monk is [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► on Twitter a I don't know but they have [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► different rules [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► but he is also politically conservative [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► which you can imagine because he is a [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► devout Catholic but he's also an [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► incredibly thoughtful monk is easy [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► is he worthy of the standoff he is he is [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► he is actually based in San Francisco I [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► don't know if he's dominican he could be [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► he could be no course I can I don't know [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► also I'd what my my it's been a long [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► time since I was a judgment school and I [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► don't remember all the the the squire [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► are key of monks thank you i'll get you [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► put out front but I i I'm talking to [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► this guy online and he's probably he's [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► provoking me at first he's like oh you [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► liberals think you're blah and so I go [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► look at his I go to computational monk [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► yeah I go look at this thing and I'm [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► like I follow it to his blog where he's [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► writing like economical uh like a good [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► pieces on how to interpret certain [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► aspects of the john 3 16 when I met Lou [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► and the end on and I read his blog and [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► I'm like this is a Catholic scholar but [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► he's not a Catholic scholar who is who [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► is who is a sitting at at Notre Dame [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► University trying to get himself a you [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► know trying to get himself appointed to [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► the to the bench somewhere [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► this is a guy who's who's peace peace [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► all the way up in season right when it [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► like he's there he's not just there to [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► climb the ecumenical latter he's there [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► because this is something that means a [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► lot 20 yeah so I start writing it back [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► and I'm like well I mean we got this we [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► got that we got to think about this we [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► gotta think about that he's like good [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► points but what about this and that and [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► all of a sudden I'm like arguing with [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► this guy not even arguing where we agree [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► on most things and & imy and I pull back [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► from my phone and I'm like okay you know [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► a point to Twitter like I like what am i [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► doing it there's no science fiction book [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► or film in the world that could make an [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► action movie out of this me sitting in a [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► chair staring at this little black box [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► but really i'm falling into this world [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► of interconnected communication with [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► people all over the place [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► and I don't and so now I find myself [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► even though I've spent my whole life [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► trying not to ever be a person who needs [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► to get an ipad 3 let alone an ipad for [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► when his ipad 2 pennies pretty sweet 43 [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► friends I had to work just fine [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► like I I did not buy a CD player ever [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► not even when TV when see when CD [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► players came out in the late eighties I [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► was like this will never last and I [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► maintained that attitude all the way [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► through the lifetime of CD players today [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► in 1999 i was still like that CD players [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► i'm not going to get one of those things [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► job and so here but here I am now [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► finding myself socially dependent on my [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► on my interface machine that gets me [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► into this realm [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► I'm embarrassed about the time I spent [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► on Twitter it because only only [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► embarrassed in so much as I feel like if [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► anybody asks me to justify it [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► I still I still don't have a great you [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► are you already knew if you thought [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► through that and you don't really have [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► an answer proud of right because because [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► do i get more out of because so much of [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► the so much of my interactions on there [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► are are just like it's just transitory [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► it's just people going like how here's a [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► picture of my part and you go click on [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► the picture and it's a picture of empty [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► air and you're like ah of course you [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► getting through a fart next three Tate [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► and you're like oh wow upon pumpkins as [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► it took a picture of himself doing [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► better earnings take a picture of John [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► Hodgman taking a picture other there is [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► ok next thing and then somebody's like [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► uh-oh they're a bunch of people storming [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► our embassy in Syria and then I get [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► really into some you know like intense [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► kind of politics for an hour where it's [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► like all shit's happening in the world [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► and then Sarah Silverman's like my boob [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► hurts and I'm like aha [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► should I comment and I go look and [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► theres forty-two people that have [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► commented on Sarah Silverman's booby [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► rose for you at 43 of them are I'll help [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► you with that bog like I'm not going to [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► comment on that that's gross and and and [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► you're just it's just this constant [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► falling down the stairs but every once [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► in a while everyone else something [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► happens [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► as your tumbling down the stairs like [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► others they're storming our embassy in [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► Syria that's fascinating that we talked [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► about like when you know at least when I [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► was a kid and down we first got MTV and [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► and phenomena of like a stressy want to [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► wait and see what the next video and try [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► to capture so totally addictive but [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► like--imagine imagine that the videos [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► were talking back to you or you or you [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► or wait you know what i mean that's [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► that's what you're experiencing is [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► you're right it is is like falling down [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► downstairs but first of all so I'm [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► dependent on the machine now is this [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► iphone and I'm like okay well if there's [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► a new one of these iphones that's faster [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► that shows Sarah Silverman's boob [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► tweeting in higher resolution yes you [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► know and it's just like I don't want to [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► be that i do not want to have that she's [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► really your type [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► Sarah yeah she's I mean I get back to [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► give a couple three things about her [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► that are in your wheelhouse [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► yeah she's pretty close but but yeah [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► I've not got to be a not to be the John [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► Roderick in this episode of rhetoric on [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► the line yeah but I met her a couple of [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► times [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► crazy girl and we have she crazy [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► girlfriend material to actually use the [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► bathroom in my trailer who and when she [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► came out she said don't tell anyone I [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► use the bathroom and I said I mean it's [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► fine it's it's not shahad thing for her [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► persona to say yeah and then she said i [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► don't use the bathroom [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► you know what I mean and you don't keep [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► secrets [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► I wonder yeah i'm talking about it on a [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► podcast now that was many years ago yeah [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► but she was very weird about bathroom [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► time people knowing that she ever goes [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► to the bathroom that's not ideal in [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► front of another minor celebrity that's [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► and see what it would seem like was it [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► seemed like a window into her soul like [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► I don't know if you want I mean crazy [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► girlfriend is one thing now and i will i [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► will chase it crazy Jewish girl again [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► across five continents but [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► but not if she has I don't go to the [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► bathroom and all that's the second or [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► first of all of the billions the [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► literally billions of different [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► transactions that occurred on the [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► internet in the last month your [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► exchanges with the Dominican are [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► probably in the top point zero zero one [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► percent and it was it was in what you [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► know what I mean like all you have to do [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► go and search they'll we have a plan to [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► get drinks by the way me and the monk [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► nice ya next time I'm in San Francisco [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► we have in what what what do you suppose [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► you both have what we're going to court [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► arguing written real-time yeah we'll [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► probably will probably go to a tea house [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► as a tea room is that what it's called [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► that was well you're the one that lives [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► in San Francisco you tell me where the [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► tea rooms are the career it's always a [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► great code word up [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► but you know he's a himself through he's [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► like shut up there's a lot to say your [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► cookies for breakfast on feel kind of [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► chocolate chip cookies out [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► um we're eating butter cookie guy don't [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► mmm i'm not wrong cookie guy only a [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► quarter of ice cream at night but i'm [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► not a big sweeter [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► ok I we have an interesting constraint [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► in and I can't say it's about saying it [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► but we we are still have cause to [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► provide information and artwork about [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► our program from some people who are [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► interested in helping to publicize it [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► mhm and right now the single biggest [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► constraint which is which is on me is to [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► come up with presentable show art that [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► they could use in a high-resolution [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► environment now why is this a problem [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► because the show art for our program [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► which i happen to love because it [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► doesn't look like the show art for a [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► podcast is a photograph of the two of us [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► at the ucsf computer store in probably [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► 2003 or 2,000 for it was the day you [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► bought your first mac right with the [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► first time actually there's a laptop we [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► bought it with my wife said discount if [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► memory serves right but here's the [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► problem that photo of us [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► shot shot a picture of the monitor that [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► was taking our picture right it's at the [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► largest resolution i have it is your [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► phone right i mean you still have a flip [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► phone at that point yeah i did is [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► probably a little samsung flip phone but [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► the truth is that [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► podcast art 44 popular podcast [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► distribution facilities is 300 by 300 [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► pixels I had to stretch it to fit into [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► that I had to go ahead to basically [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► increase the size of it to read in [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► reducing the quality of it because [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► that's what that is what a camera on [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► your phone was so you have something [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► better if they want to put Roderick on [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► the line up in one of those LED [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► billboard in Times Square [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► oh here's a good headed for one of those [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► halftone screens i love so much [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► but anyway and I want to get in and I I [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► don't want to get too far into the into [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► the phone thing can you convert two [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► paths i can probably convert to pass I i [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► might just go with a dither I'm gonna go [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► with multiple mcintosh neither should i [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► like it [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► that was actually great for the [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► Charleston caught on that was the last [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► great dancer he's at the 20 the [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► different about you gotta go when I [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► gotta go ahead i got my god i want the [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► Macintosh that everybody kick it and I'm [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► sure I'm going with this but you know I [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► gotta have to come back to one part of [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► the science fiction and then I want to [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► get back to the suburban thing um is [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► that it is it to me yes science fiction [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► the least interesting part of science [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► fiction to me is the science ii who [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► rocket car stuff [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► the part that appeals to me that we [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► always can write about is that the human [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► human nature never really changes right [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► and and the part that we never seem to [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► get over is that that is the case and [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► and why am I telling you this because I [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► honestly I think I felt this and I think [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► a lot of people feel this every day [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► all i need is the whatever the the 45 4 [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► 445 16b bread maker and I finally be [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► where I need to be well you're never [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► going to be where you need to be because [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► your essential nature is to be keening [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► toward the acquisition of something not [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► even nominally interesting that you've [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► decided something that you really need [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► to have and and and I i'm hesitant to [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► say that this is a suburban thing [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► although i think in the suburbs it is [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► worse it certainly is you could be you [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► want that beard could be you want to [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► curl e pv Portland beard but but but the [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► part about and again I haven't read more [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► than a half-dozen science-fiction novels [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► i've always enjoyed them a lot more than [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► I thought I would but that's what I [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► always loved about is this idea that [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► that the take-home message of all the [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► good ones is the human beings are always [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► going to be meddling selfish and really [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► basically unuseful people who look out [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► for themselves more than others and in [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► the case of things like comics they will [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► always try to turn it into a weapon that [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► seems to be a big science fiction thing [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► we will always everything cool we get [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► like glad to cholla for example the [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► Black Panther who is the king of this [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► country in africa and one of the most [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► powerful of all they have the cure for [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► cancer but they like they won't let me [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► cast a weaponized it [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► no here's the thing they didn't want to [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► get with your such that cool give it [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► they will not give it to cap or anybody [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► else because they know that shield will [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► turn into a weapon [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► Oh shield I you know I think the [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► technology that most people fans turn [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► you around i'm gonna fucking turn you [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► around on a sick think there are stories [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► here that would help you John [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► I know but I just I just a our good [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► friend Adam permit just brought me that [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► are bought me the collected great the [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► all the fritz the cat [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► cartoons in one volume right those the [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► other day that taught me a lot who at [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► that cat that's cat having intercourse [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► and sweaters what is that [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► yeah that's exactly right captain [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► sweaters like Fritz the Cat is a pretty [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► lean case love the captain sweater twins [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► and then let's get some sweater twins [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► that's not funny but might I thought it [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► was by kidding but most of the female [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► cats in Fritz the Cat are chubby cats in [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► sweater my car chrome looking [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► yes at a big big boobs and big behinds [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► and boy I'll tell you that's just talked [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► about in my wheelhouse [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► yeah always separate you later feel like [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► our chrome are crammed into that that's [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► a ralph bakshi know who did that our [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► crumb coated are chromed it fritz the [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► cat [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► yeah i mean that and say what you will [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► about heart of us i'm sure i thought [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► that she did the movie is all about the [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► movie a real facts you'd only do that [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► when you take your crumbs it fritz the [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► cat [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► yeah for Arkham different double-check [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► that attracts our current that's an R [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► crumb joint can't stand corrected [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► but i but i think the tech the [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► technology that most people when you [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► really really get down to it the [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► technology that the envy or the Bake [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► Oven is the technology of [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► leisure time like everyone when they [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► really imagine what they would do you [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► know what their what they really want [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► people maintain this like I want to move [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► out to the country and you know and turn [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► off all my electronic devices and listen [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► to the wind whistles through the trees [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► I i still think that that is a powerful [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► fantasy from for most people I and I [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► feel that partly because it feels [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► completely out of reach [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► because it feels completely out of reach [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► that's right and because it seems like [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► the only way that you could achieve that [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► is by it is through earning money it's [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► the it's the it's the the old thing that [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► you hear it up what im so many college [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► campuses on graduation day where people [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► say i want to do good things for the [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► world i wanted i wanted to devote myself [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► to helping other people but what I need [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► to do right now is make a lot of money [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► first and then I can be a liberal and [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► then I can help people and a special war [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► chest after I after I go for 10 years [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► and work in banks and just look at how [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► many times it happens every day [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► it's only for so many people who make [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► 620,000 dollars a year on Wall Street [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► and then then give it up in their early [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► thirties to become environmental [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► scientists well that settles that [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► yeah it's a very common experience but [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► that but that whole dream of like I mean [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► I know a lot of people and and I feel [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► like the power of that dream may be [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► waning because I hear about it less and [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► less now people are people are talking [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► about achieving that state I think [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► people are conscious Adams when I said [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► people i mean you know like our our [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► world our realm people are more aware [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► now that they have to continue to work [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► in order to feel valid that nobody has [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► this like let's go down to Florida and [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► sit in a rocking chair for the last 40 [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► years of our life dream that our [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► grandparents had but this idea that [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► you're going to have a ranch in Montana [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► with five dogs you're going to get up [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► every morning and walk through the [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► fields with your put the top your hand [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► just barely grazing [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► the wheat like like Russell Crowe in his [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► death scene in Gladiator and enya is [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► playing in the background and you're [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► just walking with the dogs chasing [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► behind you just just brushing the wheat [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► I can't do that well it's great it's [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► wonderful and that the thing that I [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► always say to people who talk about that [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► fantasy to me is montana is really cheap [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► to live you can go do that now [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► yeah absolutely right well um one thing [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► with the students today and I this is [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► just my own anecdotal guessing about one [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► reason that's gotten harder to be honest [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► is the cost of going to college and the [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► subsequent student loans miii don't know [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► this is accurate i listen to just enough [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► public radio to be dangerous but i'm [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► pretty sure most people when they finish [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► college today have a pretty big tab [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► definitely a bigger tab then the average [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► graduate when you and I came out of [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► school I think that's true and it in and [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► it begs the question i met a person the [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► other day at the max funcom event you [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► may have heard of this is next week on [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► East this is max one con east Jesse [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► thorn production i met a person there [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► who is a young person who I elected not [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► to go to college in order to become a [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► comedian and this person a smart person [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► smart young person and I'm listening to [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► this story and I'm thinking what a [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► radical idea like smart middle-class [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► young person just didn't even consider [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► going to college because college was [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► superfluous to their desires like they [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► wanted to be an entertainer of some kind [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► comedian or a writer and the idea that [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► idea would not have occurred to me at 18 [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► years old I couldn't get into a college [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► when i was 18 because of my because my [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► overall grades were FF d + f a [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► a newspaper but but the idea of the idea [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► of going into adult life without first [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► passing through the lens of college was [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► inconceivable [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► it's okay was it would certainly feel [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► extremely risky risky and just like you [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► are you're basically going you're [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► walking out into the world with a giant [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► red L for loser on your on your jacket [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► and now just as you're saying you come [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► out of college with a degree in [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► sociology and you are hundred and twenty [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► thousand dollars in debt that was not a [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► very smart move on your parks to go to [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► college and get a degree in sociology it [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► just wasn't i think a lot more people [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► who who are at that point in their lives [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► are going to start just saying there's [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► nothing there's nothing that i'm going [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► to learn in college that I don't already [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► have access to on the internet and I'm [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► gonna just go find my way through life [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► on my own [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► um I really do feel that colleges are [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► colleges are pricing themselves out of [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► you know like into irrelevance and we [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► are going to look back at this era from [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► 50 years in the future and say oh yeah [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► that was the moment that colleges became [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► a pic the college's completely lost its [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► gotta be close their game yes really [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► it's got to be close [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► yeah there's there's another thing [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► though on when I was thinking about my [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► former former racket as the the [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► self-help guy you were great at that but [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► thank you very much that's something i [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► have it took me awhile to figure this [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► out but it is this because I've had [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► coffee and everything that seems related [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► this does also shade into the [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► speculative fiction stuff which is that [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► um things evolve at different rates and [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► so for example today on the the rate at [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► which technology becomes faster more [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► ubiquitous less expensive and more [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► widely adopted the pace of that change [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► is not being matched by an evolution in [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► a wide broad you know a contiguous in [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► agreed evolution in terms of how we use [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► all that stuff so for example a lot of [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► this kids coming out of college right [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► now think emails for old people [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► now you know what I mean they they just [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► don't send emails there are a lot of my [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► god i said to somebody the other day [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► they were they were texting me or [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► something and I said let's take this [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► conversation to email and they said oh [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► classic style and i didn't i didn't get [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► the I didn't get the joke [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► oh my god that was so cool let's laugh [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► let's let's have a beer at the masonic [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► temple you know I think they were dming [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► me or something on Twitter and I was [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► like listen I don't want to have this [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► conversation over DMI here's my email [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► address and they're like oh yeah some [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► classic style I mean I I you know this [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► is part of this is that I'm uh I'm a [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► willful loner about a lot of the things [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► i don't have a presence on Facebook [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► without water [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► I don't everything I ever get from evite [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► goes into the spam filter mostly I I get [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► such frustrated things from people think [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► this is a fairly common thing nowadays [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► of like you didn't you didn't respond to [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► my my thing and i was like i'm sorry i'm [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► not very good emailing notice on emails [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► on facebook or or you know what i mean [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► and the natural assumption is that a i'm [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► on facebook be i'm following their [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► facebook and a/c i use that to determine [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► how I'm going to spend my night it been [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► like that you know and and i said this [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► before but like telling people I'm not [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► on Facebook you know I don't go out of [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► my way to say that I'm not like I don't [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► have a TV guy just it's not a part of my [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► life I might as well tell them i worship [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► goats with the mountain people that it [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► sounds to my family it's so bananas and [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► then I get a thing for my kids school [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► like oh we put up the photos from this [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► event in this google plus group and like [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► my own my heart sinks and it's like so I [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► mean I guess what I'm saying is that you [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► know with a new instagram now haha you [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► know what I like my photos to look like [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► photos [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► look at the picture clouds that's handy [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► oh absolutely any more than i should be [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► I go onto facebook about once a week [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► just to see what's going to party your [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► profession and and I I went over there [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► the other day and someone had left a [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► message on my eye on my in my inbox on [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► your wall [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► no not on my wall out of your facebook [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► yeah a DM that was incredibly time [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► sensitive like like I you need to reply [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► to that you need to respond to this in [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► the next 30 minutes that thing and and I [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► was like who do you take me for [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► I do not but its assumptions say about [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► another person and that way i don't know [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► what's strange is that the person that [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► left this message has my phone number [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► and my email address but that day that [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► they sent this to me on facebook like [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► you mean it's also a case of like [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► they're using the medium that they did [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► not think for one it with all due [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► respect to your very good friend you i'm [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► not sure what it is but but that person [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► jesse eisenberg they did not take half a [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► second to stop and think about a is this [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► really important and if it is important [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► well then why don't I do a little bit of [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► the heavy lifting to reach this person [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► in the place where that will be most [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► cogent for them to receive an urgent [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► message that could be fun could be [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► whatever but you know what no it's all [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► about their convenience and now back to [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► the acceptance but now it's your fault [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► you're the dick in there Matt well yeah [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► it may have even been like this [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► psychological that this is this person [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► was trying to spur what the message was [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► was she has 18 year old daughter this [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► friend of mine for sale daughter for [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► sale and she'll hundred she wanted me to [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► have first crack at it was very first [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► right of refusal to call crystal nice [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► when you get this expert talk about [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► liking that Natalie with the kilt rate [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► kristallnacht the little girl wanted to [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► go to a rock show by a band called my [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► seventh heaven or my diminished returner [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► seventh heaven or my diminished returner [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► haha i don't know what the band is [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► called and some kind of lapierre Goffe [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► emo band stand her her mom wanted to [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► take her to this show but it turned out [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► the show was sold out and so she was [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► writing me saying can you get me into [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► this show and this is a girl that I know [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► this is a UH a woman i know well and I [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► knew her daughter when she was young and [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► now the daughter is 18 and this alone is [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► a surprising fact and she wanted me to [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► get them into this show and it was like [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► it was like the show started in [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► half-an-hour something but i but I [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► suspect she might have sent send it to [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► me on facebook as a kind of like her [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► daughter was sitting there and this was [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► her due diligence like hey can you get [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► us into the show [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► oh he didn't reply a lice we should be [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► matching this is another layer to it [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► that's good yeah um earlier about [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► anymore earlier when you were talking [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► about europe i looked at my my tumblr [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► page and I I wasn't even aware the best [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► existed until fairly recently but I [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► haven't [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► apparently I have an inbox on tumblr [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► that I didn't know about [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► yes apparently people can this is not a [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► bad thing in itself but apparently [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► people can send me the equivalent of i [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► guess like a DM i can email you can send [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► things called fan mail if you want if [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► you if you choose to do so and i do not [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► you can ask me anything in these kinds [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► of things I don't think you can poke you [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► can poke them if you talk about a flying [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► at the mason hall but if you got on but [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► i'm sitting here now and understand i [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► didn't I kind of got that this existed [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► somewhere but now in the redesign tumblr [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► has added on their beautiful blue page a [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► bright red rectangle that says 20 plus [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► 20 plus messages on tumblr that's right [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► this is 20 plus and so now I never asked [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► to have that turn no disrespect anybody [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► was kind enough to send me a message but [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► now every every every place that can at [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► this point will create some kind of an [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► area that you have to check to not be a [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► dick [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► and that's to me is not that's not [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► tenable and applause messages waiting [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► for you Merlin there will always be 20 [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► plus and the thing is if i click it and [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► this is a value for me John Roderick if [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► I go in there and i'll go answer every [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► one of those while that's setting aside [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► all the things that I haven't answered [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► in all these other places you know an [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► email that i get from ryan and i don't [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► mean I'm not complaining about you [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► people i'm complaining about the the [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► number of affordances for trying to [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► communicate with me that I never asked [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► for and i say this because when you know [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► and understand that the the reason that [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► the facebook request might have been [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► tendered but this is this is a little [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► bit like saying there's an urgent note [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► note that i sent you why didn't you get [TS]