Roderick on the Line

Ep. 58: "Squirearchy of Monks"


  hello hey john murray and Men right [TS]

  there [TS]

  yeah just thinking the candlestick in [TS]

  John it will come back to you know yeah [TS]

  that's nice you know for a while there I [TS]

  was trying to sing a song for jonathan [TS]

  coulton when I talked to him on the [TS]

  phone and the back [TS]

  the only thing I could come up with was [TS]

  Jonathan Coulton helps your hamburger [TS]

  help you make a great deal and it didn't [TS]

  make any sense to you one of us perfect [TS]

  but there it is [TS]

  uh-huh then as time went on it evolved [TS]

  to jonathan coulton helps you Jonathan [TS]

  cold turn jonathan coulton not Michael [TS]

  Bolton got nothing wrong with Bolton [TS]

  family-run little cool been thinking who [TS]

  have been thinking a lot about Benjamin [TS]

  Franklin since i talked to do you know [TS]

  that always gets my attention [TS]

  yeah I'm convinced now that Benjamin [TS]

  Franklin is more or less responsible for [TS]

  the French Revolution who he was [TS]

  I'm gonna I'm gonna pies and just do a [TS]

  little tightening around the office [TS]

  haha i really want wow ok he was the [TS]

  american society of the just jump in if [TS]

  you're still talking [TS]

  it was the American ambassador Benjamin [TS]

  Franklin to see little handedly [TS]

  responsible [TS]

  yeah to leave the 16th Versailles the [TS]

  picture if you will [TS]

  picture the scene who Ben Franklin came [TS]

  ready [TS]

  he's waltzing around at Versailles and [TS]

  his in his intentionally shabby American [TS]

  clothes and he's he's screwing girls [TS]

  left and right [TS]

  and he's he's he's got a he's got a Oh a [TS]

  witticism a bone marrow for everything [TS]

  he's doing is ben franklin rag and all [TS]

  the aristocracy is like this guy this [TS]

  guy he's incredible this Ben Franklin [TS]

  who and it's planting the seed we got to [TS]

  get rid of this King the Americans are [TS]

  onto something [TS]

  this Ben Franklin is such a character [TS]

  we want a little bit more of this action [TS]

  huh you know they're pooping behind [TS]

  curtains and doing that whole that whole [TS]

  French thing all dressed in pink silk [TS]

  and Franklin's just you know he's [TS]

  wearing his tweeds or whatever his [TS]

  American he's probably got sweatpants on [TS]

  there thinking this is what freedom [TS]

  looks like is that still in the colonial [TS]

  days there's a poster [TS]

  well you know of a French Revolution was [TS]

  1789 American Revolution of 1776 so [TS]

  there's a slim interregnum there and he [TS]

  introduced a lot love virality we're [TS]

  addressing our viral politics [TS]

  ya see Louie Louie the 16 he he hated [TS]

  the British so much that he thought that [TS]

  he thought that Franklin and the [TS]

  Americans were like on his side he was [TS]

  focused on England right so he thought [TS]

  that align himself with Americans what [TS]

  was going to work out for him because we [TS]

  we were all fighting the British what he [TS]

  didn't realize was the Franklin with [TS]

  shaggin for all lines [TS]

  mhm and spreading sedition is that the [TS]

  fatty r17 version 7 central version of [TS]

  stress mom he was basically Franklin was [TS]

  a giant ball of stress bump in li the [TS]

  16th underwear drawer and and then then [TS]

  then when it's not when the when the [TS]

  French are like fed up there they have [TS]

  this role model they have this American [TS]

  idea and they're like we can do this [TS]

  he'll only already franklyn's already [TS]

  talked to [TS]

  in order to spread that he's talking to [TS]

  kind of like the M narco middle managers [TS]

  he's talking to people Gentry is talking [TS]

  with people who would benefit from [TS]

  chicken off the shackles the court you [TS]

  know it when you look at the aristocracy [TS]

  and you're a bit at that time and we [TS]

  always think of England England had like [TS]

  several hundred really rich really [TS]

  powerful families but France the way [TS]

  there aristocracy worked there were like [TS]

  fifty thousand aristocratic families in [TS]

  France there are all these little little [TS]

  minor barons and you know so that the [TS]

  court of Louis the sixteenth business [TS]

  baby has this big house and there's [TS]

  just--there's aristocracy everywhere [TS]

  there in the there in the flower garden [TS]

  there there are you know behind the [TS]

  cupboard in the kitchen there are people [TS]

  everywhere and they're all there's this [TS]

  Rankin this hierarchy or this the squire [TS]

  are key and how long is sitting on that [TS]

  one that's another one been sitting on [TS]

  what one square are key that's pretty [TS]

  good yeah Squire r ki square RT all the [TS]

  little squires and and Franklin is there [TS]

  and America is very fashionable at this [TS]

  time right because because hey where we [TS]

  had a revolution where were like where [TS]

  the with the justin bieber of Nations [TS]

  brand-new swoopy hair uh-huh so Franklin [TS]

  and also you know Lafayette was a hero [TS]

  of the American Revolution was gonna ask [TS]

  me they helped up big time we could do [TS]

  without the Germans right yeah they were [TS]

  they were well that but you know in fact [TS]

  the Saxons fought on behalf of of [TS]

  England against the Americans but the [TS]

  French poured money into the revolution [TS]

  so we were we were fast friends big bros [TS]

  but Franklin I'm telling you he was over [TS]

  there [TS]

  this was his posting and I think a lot [TS]

  of the I think the Americans you know I [TS]

  think the continental type sent Franklin [TS]

  to france just to get them out of their [TS]

  hair [TS]

  and he was there just a swingin dick [TS]

  Franklin oh all all like slyness and and [TS]

  he's kind of he was I think he was he [TS]

  was he was a goer if you know what I [TS]

  mean he was a finger in the pooper [TS]

  mm that's pretty french mhm so anyway [TS]

  then French Revolution than Napoleon and [TS]

  we know that that leads to World War one [TS]

  so basically Franklin responsible for [TS]

  the Holocaust ah I'm gonna need to make [TS]

  a chart up early this morning you did I [TS]

  was lying you're better i was going to [TS]

  be a minute so hmmm interesting but I [TS]

  really believe that i really believe [TS]

  that there's some meat to this Franklin [TS]

  started the French Revolution theory i [TS]

  was reading I don't click to my share [TS]

  but i was reading a story the other day [TS]

  one of the many things i didn't finish [TS]

  reading this week about Franklin and how [TS]

  it's interesting there's two people I've [TS]

  been thinking about this weekend gold [TS]

  and Benjamin Franklin and two people who [TS]

  learn how to deliberately kind of work [TS]

  their eccentricities goals too much you [TS]

  can save him for another show [TS]

  I'm very interesting guy but Benjamin [TS]

  Franklin i think was entirely he [TS]

  basically for example the the classic [TS]

  example that most of us know and then [TS]

  unknown turns out and did the whole like [TS]

  people tried to replicate the whole kite [TS]

  and the key in a jar lightning thing and [TS]

  it seems that based on what i can gather [TS]

  that either wouldn't work and/or you [TS]

  would die if they're right but you know [TS]

  the thing is he was there so he knows [TS]

  whether or not at work [TS]

  the story went out it was contemporary [TS]

  at the time people knew about mr. [TS]

  Franklin and stuff he had the stoves and [TS]

  whatnot and down and he apparently did [TS]

  very little to dispel that myth or to [TS]

  say does dispel that you know story or i [TS]

  guess i don't think he may have said [TS]

  yeah it's totally happened i was there i [TS]

  Ben Franklin a big swinging dick right [TS]

  but he he enjoyed it [TS]

  is selected me I I have to imagine that [TS]

  helped him get the tip into a lot of [TS]

  butts continental or otherwise you have [TS]

  to have these things about him and yeah [TS]

  and like like the equally annoying Oscar [TS]

  Wilde he he was graded upon mall [TS]

  mmm french french phrase means a bit me [TS]

  sandwich is that right the bun mont get [TS]

  the bottom odds of delicious carrots in [TS]

  the sliced pork [TS]

  yeah yeah well if you want to call it [TS]

  pork and Vietnam French colony just put [TS]

  it all together just right at the around [TS]

  French colony been friendly responsible [TS]

  for Vietnam being sore yet the French [TS]

  the Vichy were 44 the Vichy you know [TS]

  french french first country to send [TS]

  their ass and their juice to the camps [TS]

  first non-german couple well hm [TS]

  yep I'm with you so for anyway I just [TS]

  think it's interesting because you know [TS]

  there's all those it i think the [TS]

  original turns out things for me were [TS]

  dispelling a lot of these myths in the [TS]

  days before snopes when you can just [TS]

  read something like the people's almanac [TS]

  of the book of lists 13 I I learned a [TS]

  lot of what i should be unlearning from [TS]

  this book's Yeah Yeah right yeah well [TS]

  I'm far be it from you or I to ever [TS]

  subscribe to the great man theory of [TS]

  history we don't believe in great men we [TS]

  believe in that we have at least three [TS]

  episodes to staying something to the [TS]

  contrary we believe in the small actions [TS]

  of many many many anonymous people over [TS]

  this is over the centuries [TS]

  callate callate that is that there's no [TS]

  there's no theory of great men and in [TS]

  our podcast now but in this one instance [TS]

  i think i think we can say that Ben [TS]

  Franklin is the wheel upon whom history [TS]

  turn [TS]

  I've got even know where to fucking [TS]

  begin with this so first of all he I [TS]

  think you and I have to look at Ben [TS]

  Franklin and be both odd and furious [TS]

  well yeah Ben Franklin uh if i was going [TS]

  to be if I was going to go back to [TS]

  the Continental Congress I'm of afraid [TS]

  for myself how much I would be the Ben [TS]

  Franklin you know you want to be the [TS]

  Jefferson give a sense of what time they [TS]

  started each day [TS]

  mmm baby starters on a lot of those guys [TS]

  that farmers they were used to getting [TS]

  up early started early but I think [TS]

  Franklin rolled him i think he rolled in [TS]

  a little bit later you through a lumber [TS]

  like Benny and you're gonna come in [TS]

  whenever fucking seats you [TS]

  that's right and you know the phone so [TS]

  I'm sorry i was busy i was busy [TS]

  inventing something that will change [TS]

  your life [TS]

  yeah exactly i was i was inventing [TS]

  eyeglasses I'm sorry i was saving your [TS]

  forebears from a from a wretched [TS]

  agrarian future [TS]

  yeah you know he's a lot older than most [TS]

  of those guys yes and so I think he [TS]

  rolled in whenever the hell he wanted a [TS]

  always born in America right that's [TS]

  important i think he was born in America [TS]

  he's one of the original Americans [TS]

  energy that's right isn't it is an Ogier [TS]

  yeah what okay so you know on the one [TS]

  hand you know early bed early to rise [TS]

  you know porches Almanac you know you [TS]

  definitely don't want to be atoms in [TS]

  that situation even though he he was a [TS]

  great man and he wrote a lot of great [TS]

  stuff you just got a sense that he was a [TS]

  very tense got the kids the Salieri to [TS]

  to Franklin's Mozart because I mean [TS]

  John's did a lot of shit but I think [TS]

  he's got to be sitting around guys over [TS]

  here like I'm doing the heavy lifting I [TS]

  think Jefferson was the Mozart of that [TS]

  analogy [TS]

  oh yes ok I'll accept that and who is [TS]

  emery Abraham haha see in the oh man I [TS]

  think you might have been the omen [TS]

  trying to remember I never saw the omen [TS]

  man i hate to be seen XFM radio program [TS]

  on a plane through there are so many [TS]

  people on the list of people I would [TS]

  hate to be seated next to on a plane [TS]

  Oh covered begin I'm saying I'm saying [TS]

  is it's incredibly frustrating that this [TS]

  great man got so much accomplished he [TS]

  did half of the stuff that he appears to [TS]

  have done it again it's incredibly [TS]

  frustrating [TS]

  yeah well and you know particularly when [TS]

  you get the sense that he was a tinkerer [TS]

  and a nepali mankind about davinci that [TS]

  he was also that he was interrupted but [TS]

  also that he was confident that he would [TS]

  say when the one thing i love about a [TS]

  tinkerer who actually ends up producing [TS]

  things in addition to the ability to [TS]

  synthesize information and so forth is [TS]

  that ability to [TS]

  this might be a thing I spent half a day [TS]

  on this haha bifocals what's was a [TS]

  bifocal you'll see a literally you know [TS]

  but you and I are sitting around you [TS]

  know [TS]

  yeah yeah I don't want around devoting [TS]

  ourselves devoting our entire lives to [TS]

  turning lead into gold and at the end [TS]

  reply x we have 42 notebooks varicella [TS]

  Paracelsus my favorite alchemist but [TS]

  then on the other hand and this is this [TS]

  is this could be several episodes but i [TS]

  just want your thought on this [TS]

  I cannot help my family adequately [TS]

  understand how important it is for me to [TS]

  lay in bed awake but not completely [TS]

  awake in the morning and it's and I [TS]

  understand i have to get up and [TS]

  participate in family life I understand [TS]

  that but i'm curious based on the kind [TS]

  of the dynamism that you're bringing [TS]

  with the discussion like Franklin to [TS]

  Holocaust and five easy steps i have to [TS]

  tell you that when I wake up in the [TS]

  morning I don't remember my dreams like [TS]

  I used to and I don't care because [TS]

  dreams are stupid but I do wake up and I [TS]

  can feel this process of thoughts [TS]

  arranging themselves [TS]

  I can feel that there are it's almost [TS]

  like if I would imagine some kind of you [TS]

  know like there's these little will the [TS]

  wisps all just kind of wander and slowly [TS]

  things are starting to make sense and I [TS]

  feel like just about the moment i'm [TS]

  ready to figure everything out my [TS]

  daughter comes in and wants to watch my [TS]

  lawn and she gets me out of bed and I [TS]

  don't know i'm curious if you have [TS]

  something like that my senses that given [TS]

  the opportunity might spend even more [TS]

  time in bed if you could but I actually [TS]

  that's my that's that studies that study [TS]

  special thinking time [TS]

  yeah just as you described that first [TS]

  that that that that process of waking up [TS]

  and gradually coming into the world is [TS]

  absolutely it's the magic the magic hour [TS]

  for me and if it's interrupted I'm [TS]

  otherwise everything is neatly the magic [TS]

  hour between 1145-12 45 but but but I i [TS]

  love it if I if I find myself kind of [TS]

  coming it into awakeness and I roll over [TS]

  and start staring up at the ceiling and [TS]

  all is still a dream you know where my [TS]

  thinking is still happening in dream [TS]

  language but i'm awake [TS]

  and that's a good way to put it yeah and [TS]

  i am and i sit and process all kinds of [TS]

  things and and I don't I I try not to [TS]

  interrupt that I try not to i try not to [TS]

  let like my worries about the day [TS]

  intrude [TS]

  that's a time when it's like mi wonder [TS]

  if ben franklin can be blamed for the [TS]

  Holocaust let me see how do i how do I [TS]

  reverse-engineer West is a whisper over [TS]

  here that one of these is further away [TS]

  and and suddenly there's this a synaptic [TS]

  leap that you don't have if you want [TS]

  super-fine yeah and so I but then I [TS]

  appreciate and this is one of the things [TS]

  where I look at the way the world works [TS]

  I've had I've had this experience and a [TS]

  few times in the last month where I have [TS]

  perceived someone my age of a friend or [TS]

  an associate i have perceived them and [TS]

  their family from from from one remove [TS]

  like kind of appearing in their window [TS]

  on Christmas morning and the thing about [TS]

  the thing about facebook and also [TS]

  knowing people sort of in a wide circle [TS]

  is that everyone's while you get this [TS]

  glimpse inside someone else's home where [TS]

  you really do have the van an intimate [TS]

  vantage point but you're not but you [TS]

  don't get to see how it actually is [TS]

  you're just kind of looking in their [TS]

  window and I've had this experience a of [TS]

  seeing these these people that I know my [TS]

  age and feeling like oh my goodness they [TS]

  are adults there they have an adult [TS]

  house their family their kids think of [TS]

  them as their parents you know like they [TS]

  are mom and dad the way that we thought [TS]

  about our parents and and in the in the [TS]

  reflected glow of that I i look at my [TS]

  own life and I go but I you know I'm I [TS]

  mean I'm I'm not all grown up yet in [TS]

  that way I make my house is not an [TS]

  adult's house it is a house that is [TS]

  transitioning some it's like a it's like [TS]

  am hunting lodge where grandma bomb i [TS]

  disagree i think they could be it could [TS]

  be a a delirious 84-year old man's house [TS]

  ok sure someone who worked in the [TS]

  foreign soon as you might be a super [TS]

  adult [TS]

  that's right a retired adult his left [TS]

  eye but but but that perception that [TS]

  glimpse of other people's worlds and [TS]

  then realizing that part of what makes [TS]

  their house adult is that no one has a [TS]

  half an hour in the morning to lay in [TS]

  bed and let their dreams manifest you [TS]

  know all those people are waking up to a [TS]

  bell and they are they are kicking it [TS]

  into gear and they are going going going [TS]

  and breakfast is it 730 and let's get it [TS]

  let's get going [TS]

  that part of that's part of the adult [TS]

  problem now and I'm this I I first I [TS]

  totally agree with you I feel exactly [TS]

  like I think I feel exactly the same way [TS]

  that if anything though I feel like I [TS]

  represent a collage of different kinds [TS]

  and parts of adulthood different [TS]

  different your adult quilt [TS]

  yeah yeah and the funny thing is i can't [TS]

  even say that like oh I lived like a [TS]

  child but I think like an adult or [TS]

  anything [TS]

  I think like really my thought processes [TS]

  are so compartmentalized and we look [TS]

  like for adults [TS]

  I think like four different adults the [TS]

  Four Horsemen of the adulthood because I [TS]

  mean is there's parts of me that I think [TS]

  are my life would like to think are you [TS]

  know unfortunately not very useful parts [TS]

  but for example I mean while I'm not a [TS]

  Buddhist because I don't you know [TS]

  meditate and stuff like there's this [TS]

  part of me that acceptance is just a [TS]

  huge part of my life in a lot of ways [TS]

  and as may be evident there aren't that [TS]

  many things that I like pine for and I [TS]

  don't like sitting around going oh if [TS]

  only I had this other thing and it's a [TS]

  source of sunday pride but a source of [TS]

  you know the feeling of like if you've [TS]

  accomplished something that used to be a [TS]

  problem and I like that part of myself [TS]

  that I honestly can roll my eyes about [TS]

  things other people obsess over and and [TS]

  and handle that but at the same time if [TS]

  i'm lucky i wake up in a dream state but [TS]

  other times i realize how many adult [TS]

  things I am fucking up every single day [TS]

  and I make noise like I go and whenever [TS]

  i wake up and go and if i get two of [TS]

  those to this become [TS]

  uh I don't want to make that noise well [TS]

  the thing is that your next up at a bad [TS]

  adult part your acceptance is a thing [TS]

  that you and I look at and say well that [TS]

  is very adult-like that isn't that is an [TS]

  adult that I aspire to that I aspire to [TS]

  be someone who has this kind of longview [TS]

  but in fact relative to this looking at [TS]

  other peoples quickly windows on [TS]

  Christmas morning adulthood by their [TS]

  standards or by normal standards is not [TS]

  at all about accepting the long view it [TS]

  is you know what what keeps that engine [TS]

  running is the sort of acquisitive [TS]

  nature of we we we want a bigger house [TS]

  we want to we want a nice her living [TS]

  room we want more stuff from restoration [TS]

  hardware we want or williams-sonoma [TS]

  kitchen appliances I mean that is the [TS]

  stuff that you look in the window and NB [TS]

  like oh my god they have a breadmaker [TS]

  I don't know how their other kitchen [TS]

  chairs match that's so you don't mind [TS]

  you have your own kind of fork wow my [TS]

  kitchen chairs match because I found [TS]

  them in my barn but and somebody else [TS]

  arrange the matching like bar and [TS]

  seating when I got to this house I was [TS]

  like huh I wonder what's in the barn I [TS]

  went over there was like a kitchen table [TS]

  and matching chairs up jack [TS]

  I'll move those over into the house and [TS]

  now again oh that clears your field of [TS]

  vision because now that's off your [TS]

  mental slide puzzle for having to go to [TS]

  the the thrift store right well my Forks [TS]

  don't match and I'm that's a source of [TS]

  personal provide the forks i have that [TS]

  match with mostly lost so we're very [TS]

  close to falling back into the non [TS]

  matching for problem is i go ahead [TS]

  the thing I like about your kitchen is [TS]

  that stainless steel table that was one [TS]

  of the best things we ever did and [TS]

  changed it i mean given the constraints [TS]

  and we live in a very our houses built [TS]

  in 1928 it feels like it it's really [TS]

  weird like a lot of San Francisco houses [TS]

  I don't can't I can't promise this [TS]

  because it might have been built as [TS]

  flats but it was probably built this [TS]

  flat because you know San Francisco [TS]

  especially in the central neighborhoods [TS]

  most of those houses start as one giant [TS]

  house [TS]

  yeah and it feels like it was built as [TS]

  flats I think so I think so but I mean I [TS]

  don't think it's flats for you know I [TS]

  no I think I think maybe it's a flat for [TS]

  a divorced [TS]

  sergeant in 1946 mm 128 I guess [TS]

  somebody's about to lose all their money [TS]

  anyway but somebody somebody with a snap [TS]

  brim fedora and and spat [TS]

  hey co-op triangle this there's so many [TS]

  things about our kitchen in particular [TS]

  that are completely wrong the way I talk [TS]

  to my friends who have all the mod-cons [TS]

  as my mother-in-law says and you know [TS]

  I'm gonna conveniences and so like we [TS]

  have a single sink if you don't know [TS]

  what all the harms our google it dammit [TS]

  well I can always count on that and but [TS]

  we don't have for example the big one [TS]

  big one [TS]

  you know can I make a lot of meat I know [TS]

  you do we do not have a hood we don't [TS]

  have a vent [TS]

  oh interesting what do you do when the [TS]

  house filled with smoke weed eaters much [TS]

  what you precisely turn off the smoke [TS]

  alarm and open windows and basically a [TS]

  greasy fog hangs over my daughter's room [TS]

  for two hours [TS]

  have you ever thought about just having [TS]

  a shopback in America and just leave it [TS]

  on while you cook i had not ready but [TS]

  say I don't get too wound up in this but [TS]

  I think it does this get to an important [TS]

  point and when I cook there's the other [TS]

  problem now not enough should that [TS]

  matter well if we just had a hot plate [TS]

  and we're like the braising tuna fish [TS]

  it wouldn't be a problem but we also [TS]

  have a really shitty oven range and oven [TS]

  and so we get like five BTUs so what I [TS]

  have to do i have to heat a pan up for [TS]

  like four hours [TS]

  I gotta cook with coconut oil because [TS]

  the only way I can get a a seer so I [TS]

  make this incredibly hot pan I throw it [TS]

  in and it's I mean it's like I don't [TS]

  like some kind of Cajun hot place just [TS]

  fills with smoke and so that anyone else [TS]

  we don't have a dishwasher [TS]

  you know we got all cuz there's no place [TS]

  to put a dishwasher will have some of [TS]

  this though is though is that you are [TS]

  renters yeah and you you you don't feel [TS]

  like you can improve your kitchen with [TS]

  your own money because it's not your [TS]

  place we also we have a wonderful [TS]

  relationship of 13 years now with our [TS]

  landlords but they are literally the [TS]

  cheapest people in the world and you [TS]

  have to be cautious if you've got a [TS]

  cheap landlord and no offense they're [TS]

  great people and identity listen the [TS]

  show but but they're great people but [TS]

  you have to be cautious about what you [TS]

  asked them to fix all right because they [TS]

  bring in a little bit of what I secretly [TS]

  referred to as old-world Irish [TS]

  craftsmanship [TS]

  haha sounds like for example [TS]

  in our furnace our original 1928 furnace [TS]

  broke [TS]

  I've told you this and I told our [TS]

  landlord has a wonderful sweet guy he [TS]

  said I haven't had heating the house in [TS]

  20 years even though he has like three [TS]

  children had three children is Amanda's [TS]

  in his eighties and even though he's a [TS]

  multi-millionaire because not all these [TS]

  houses when there are twenty to sixty [TS]

  thousand dollars and he doesn't have [TS]

  heat in his house at all he's saying I [TS]

  don't know he's got like broken windows [TS]

  he's it's old-world art and so like if [TS]

  you ask them to come over we had for [TS]

  example sometimes were falling in the [TS]

  battle area and everybody did that thing [TS]

  where if you push the wall the wall [TS]

  would give an eighth of an inch when I [TS]

  thought you know what I can take care of [TS]

  this [TS]

  I'm gonna hire course I took it down [TS]

  everything locally [TS]

  this is the kind of thing that makes [TS]

  your kid weird we had a hole in the wall [TS]

  made of mold that basically we had a [TS]

  whole I tried to patch it and basically [TS]

  it didn't work i call them up i said hey [TS]

  you know the usual drill like I i tried [TS]

  to fix this myself [TS]

  I don't be a jerk I know you don't like [TS]

  fixing your own house but they came over [TS]

  and they essentially put tile over the [TS]

  whole oh yeah well that's how you do it [TS]

  well you didn't like fix the the [TS]

  underlying wall they literally put tile [TS]

  over a hole-in-the-wall you know that is [TS]

  a great description of Irish politics [TS]

  too is that right yeah I've just been [TS]

  toiling over the hole and Irish politics [TS]

  for 250 years the starchy diet but that [TS]

  acceptance thing I think can be very [TS]

  important I think discussion I think [TS]

  we'll probably clicked off of a recent [TS]

  episode we did but I was talking about [TS]

  back when I used to be a web guy and I [TS]

  have clients that had worked for months [TS]

  who would call me up and complain that [TS]

  the internet wasn't working like the [TS]

  modem didn't work because I was the [TS]

  person they need to call the and I would [TS]

  answer the phone because I'm a gentleman [TS]

  I would end up having to listen to them [TS]

  complain and the more tried to explain [TS]

  to them in the nicest way possible that [TS]

  i wasn't responsible for that the angry [TS]

  they got and and let this two lessons [TS]

  there's less than 12 sided lesson on the [TS]

  one hand like if I'm that guy in a [TS]

  transaction i kinda want to figure out [TS]

  like who I'm yelling at my everything [TS]

  and take a step back and ask myself [TS]

  whether this is something i need to [TS]

  accept and if I'm not willing to accept [TS]

  it is there something other than google [TS]

  me that I can do to solve this [TS]

  and then on the other end I hope this [TS]

  doesn't sound like carelessness but i [TS]

  have just become monumentally [TS]

  universally okay with the fact that I [TS]

  not only can't please everybody [TS]

  but if I did try to please everybody i [TS]

  would screw up pleasing the people that [TS]

  I like and that has become like a huge [TS]

  value for me that I think a lot of [TS]

  fucking adults need to adopt well you [TS]

  know we talked about this the other day [TS]

  it in the sense that I think as people [TS]

  get further and further away from [TS]

  understanding what's going on there [TS]

  sense that that perfection is still [TS]

  possible in that realm grows you know [TS]

  what I mean like it if if I don't [TS]

  understand what is wrong with my [TS]

  computer [TS]

  there's nothing to keep me from thinking [TS]

  that my computer can still do everything [TS]

  I want yes no and then when when you're [TS]

  when you're using a hammer ear can hear [TS]

  your your awareness of what the hammer [TS]

  is capable of is pretty pretty 121 right [TS]

  you don't look at a hammer and think [TS]

  this hammer can make stained glass [TS]

  windows you look at the hammer you go [TS]

  I get it you just pound it just pounds [TS]

  things right I can eat a pound nails I [TS]

  can pound holes in the wall that's the [TS]

  extent of what I can do with this but as [TS]

  you as you get more and more confused [TS]

  about what the capabilities of a thing [TS]

  are there's nothing to there's nothing [TS]

  to keep you from thinking that that [TS]

  thing is that thing is capable of [TS]

  perfection [TS]

  that's why we yell at politicians it's [TS]

  why we are so mad at that's why we're so [TS]

  mad at the world we look around where [TS]

  were confused about what the stakes are [TS]

  anymore were confused about what what [TS]

  banks even do and so in our minds [TS]

  well there's no reason why these things [TS]

  can't be made perfect and all you know [TS]

  essential things fall somebody on [TS]

  Atticus l.a at a call center and scream [TS]

  at them essentially yelling because of [TS]

  lack of perfection in their inability or [TS]

  lack of desire to fix it so right [TS]

  because I understand a little about the [TS]

  process the problem with my iphone is [TS]

  not that things are imperfect and this [TS]

  little machine is struggling to keep up [TS]

  the problem with my iphone is that [TS]

  somebody in cupertino is being a dick [TS]

  and intentionally programming it to be [TS]

  stupid [TS]

  as a as a as a project like has a giant [TS]

  as like a is like a research project and [TS]

  they're filming me be frustrated they're [TS]

  filming me with a secret camera in my [TS]

  phone be frustrated that it won't work [TS]

  because they are Satanists you know and [TS]

  I thought I think a lot of people look [TS]

  at their their consumer electronics I i [TS]

  struggle with this look at their [TS]

  consumer electronics as though as though [TS]

  the reason it's not working is that is [TS]

  some kind of sadistic built-in [TS]

  obsolescence rather than that we're at [TS]

  the dawn of this age and this stuff is [TS]

  just it's just barely able to do what it [TS]

  is doing you know it's just barely able [TS]

  to get it cannot keep up with our [TS]

  imaginations i think i think it does it [TS]

  does it better job not to defend [TS]

  cupertino but they did actually if you [TS]

  had the misfortune to use some non [TS]

  cupertino prod products i think you in [TS]

  fact would appreciate that they're doing [TS]

  a better shit job than all the other [TS]

  shit yes no absolutely there you're not [TS]

  gonna wake up one morning and find a [TS]

  virus on your phone and not in in 1918 I [TS]

  wouldn't have wanted to fly in one of [TS]

  the off-brand airplanes it's right right [TS]

  right brothers with no W but a white [TS]

  brothers and that the who thought I [TS]

  brother's eye but my brother's that's a [TS]

  great name for a gang the I brothers [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  hello well that'll be that'll be the new [TS]

  game changers but i think this is this [TS]

  is one of the things that that science [TS]

  fiction has done to all of us [TS]

  particularly those of us who love [TS]

  science fiction science fiction has left [TS]

  ahead and and become real in our minds [TS]

  so that we are all we all have what we [TS]

  think is a pretty good sense of what [TS]

  interstellar space travel [TS]

  looks like we have a good sense of what [TS]

  a you know fusion energy looks like we [TS]

  have a good sense of how these [TS]

  technologies work and in fact none of [TS]

  those technologies exist at all and so [TS]

  we live in this world where we sit [TS]

  around kind of with a with a constant [TS]

  low-level frustration [TS]

  like why are we not why are we got in on [TS]

  space battleships yet i will but you [TS]

  know our imaginations are unless we are [TS]

  truly you know that the the truly rare [TS]

  kind of very very creative innovative [TS]

  person most of our imaginations are [TS]

  constrained by what's been possible in [TS]

  the past and we tend to think we tend to [TS]

  see if you look at any any decades [TS]

  version of science fiction or in some [TS]

  cases i prefer to call speculative [TS]

  fiction you'll see that it's based on [TS]

  iterating or making a super version of [TS]

  something super dash version of [TS]

  something that already exists so in the [TS]

  future you know the fifties everything [TS]

  looks like televisions in science [TS]

  fiction you know everything like rockets [TS]

  in the sixties and some Star Trek they [TS]

  were all the other the control panel was [TS]

  levers everything was like a little [TS]

  button [TS]

  yeah but you know the thing that I IE [TS]

  you've read a lot more science fiction [TS]

  speculative fiction i have i'm sure but [TS]

  but the thing that I like about the good [TS]

  stuff that I've read is that it [TS]

  yes on the face of it is about you know [TS]

  a future where you have whatever moving [TS]

  sidewalks and laser guns and things you [TS]

  can plug into your brain but all the [TS]

  great ones i'm also the more important [TS]

  more salient part of it is these [TS]

  somewhat dystopian trade-offs that got [TS]

  us there and i'm not just about the [TS]

  Soylent Green or whatever [TS]

  really it really anything that is not [TS]

  too heavy-handed is going to have based [TS]

  in some idea that the thing you thought [TS]

  was going to turn out great is not only [TS]

  not great but really complicated in a [TS]

  way that we never could have expected [TS]

  press [TS]

  well that's it that's why all the the [TS]

  narratives and science fiction are all [TS]

  500 years old I mean Star Wars is just [TS]

  well yeah the unexpected the unexpected [TS]

  consequences and you know what when i'm [TS]

  in my my my former somewhat former [TS]

  racket of trying to help people do you [TS]

  know work stuff [TS]

  setting aside the fact that you don't [TS]

  have enough time to land bed and think [TS]

  about Hitler is that I mean I think [TS]

  that's actually really important I need [TS]

  to have time every day that you just [TS]

  don't even have to think about how [TS]

  quickly you're gonna get your minivan on [TS]

  the 580 it's crucial is it is crucial [TS]

  and back could be a whole show because I [TS]

  think that's really huge but the there's [TS]

  something else to this though that I [TS]

  don't know III at the risk of sounding [TS]

  like a college sophomore [TS]

  first semester there's this other thing [TS]

  that happens though in shades in the [TS]

  science fiction or I don't know [TS]

  sign switching to me is like what Reagan [TS]

  stuff wanted to speculative fiction I [TS]

  don't that's correct our listener [TS]

  Johnson case will be able to tell me if [TS]

  I'm anyway even though he's in a fantasy [TS]

  he's into like like Gandalf sex vampire [TS]

  TV shows yeah [TS]

  hello gamble such starting a fantasy [TS]

  comics that's pretty good called Sokka [TS]

  but I don't want to get into that show [TS]

  naked boobs now it's not even made my [TS]

  marble the here's to think a ticket [TS]

  william sonoma you take your bread [TS]

  makers you take Cupertino's there is for [TS]

  a lot of people this vision of [TS]

  perfection that to anybody from the [TS]

  outside you would look at and say well [TS]

  that's not really attainable right but [TS]

  it's but it's not only not attainable [TS]

  once you get into a certain suburban [TS]

  treadmill it seems both in very seems [TS]

  just slightly out of reach all the time [TS]

  right right your bread is just this this [TS]

  shy of perfection [TS]

  yeah and I the bread maker is a terrific [TS]

  idea and to return to the Cupertino [TS]

  example let's talk about computers but [TS]

  you know I had a I've had an apple to [TS]

  for whatever are seeing an ipad 2 for [TS]

  companies have an apple do have an apple [TS]

  to c2e2 ya know it is i've had to that [TS]

  is like perfectly fine it's really great [TS]

  so oh my gosh there's rumors [TS]

  there's going to be an ipad 3 i'm good [TS]

  what size would be how many pieces will [TS]

  be can I do this [TS]

  what will the aspect ratio i can tell me [TS]

  my friends are writing about aspect [TS]

  ratio of course I'm saying who fucking [TS]

  cares so you know it comes out the ipad [TS]

  3 the ipad 3 comes out it is [TS]

  ridiculously faster it has a better [TS]

  screen that is just on another level [TS]

  everybody's so excited they run out and [TS]

  buy an ipad 3 so finally perfection has [TS]

  been reached and you know what happened [TS]

  like in the last month ipad mini plus [TS]

  the ipad 40 what ya so now there's an [TS]

  ipad that's something like twice as fast [TS]

  as the three you're kidding does that [TS]

  make our iPad tues no longer its [TS]

  absolute it is upsal essence it is made [TS]

  you into a puck ask cupertino bitch all [TS]

  your money on the electronic Barrelhead [TS]

  and now you got your dick in your hand [TS]

  and there's a better ipad so suddenly [TS]

  something that i'm talking about this [TS]

  isn't early March or something you have [TS]

  a perfectly fantastic device but now [TS]

  you're mad because they made a better [TS]

  one [TS]

  I'm so Matt on behalf of all those [TS]

  people involved breadmakers you got a [TS]

  williams-sonoma and you by the SPH 4516 [TS]

  and then a few months later they do the [TS]

  45 16a and suddenly you're perfection [TS]

  has been obsolescence that's so annoying [TS]

  it might be my being a college sophomore [TS]

  or is that something to avoid well you [TS]

  know I try to avoid it at all costs but [TS]

  it's not just about computers [TS]

  well but but the problem now is that I [TS]

  could not just as science fiction cannot [TS]

  / to not anticipate the future i could [TS]

  not even a year ago let alone for years [TS]

  ago have anticipated that and and this [TS]

  is a this is an admission that I that I [TS]

  hesitate to make I mean I i still am [TS]

  grappling with it over but I really [TS]

  looked at it the other day and realize [TS]

  that I am now spending an average of [TS]

  three hours a day looking at Twitter [TS]

  looking at my Twitter stream is yours [TS]

  nice to horse because I get my news from [TS]

  there I get my entertainment from their [TS]

  provocations I get all I'm having all my [TS]

  fights with with idiots they're like all [TS]

  the fights with idiots that I used to [TS]

  have to farm out to the world did I send [TS]

  them by courier I used to have to go to [TS]

  costco I used to have to go to the two [TS]

  like a hipster bakery [TS]

  I just have to drive all over town to [TS]

  get in fights with 10 years it's so [TS]

  inconvenient you would have to maintain [TS]

  all of those but by automobile [TS]

  yeah and now i can sit in a couple more [TS]

  here and have fights with almost [TS]

  unlimited streaming video people you've [TS]

  never met people have never met people I [TS]

  I nuttin and i don't mean to call this [TS]

  guy because I think he's very smart but [TS]

  I have been having a political argument [TS]

  with what I think is a Dominican brother [TS]

  on twitter now why a dominican monk is [TS]

  on Twitter a I don't know but they have [TS]

  different rules [TS]

  but he is also politically conservative [TS]

  which you can imagine because he is a [TS]

  devout Catholic but he's also an [TS]

  incredibly thoughtful monk is easy [TS]

  is he worthy of the standoff he is he is [TS]

  he is actually based in San Francisco I [TS]

  don't know if he's dominican he could be [TS]

  he could be no course I can I don't know [TS]

  also I'd what my my it's been a long [TS]

  time since I was a judgment school and I [TS]

  don't remember all the the the squire [TS]

  are key of monks thank you i'll get you [TS]

  put out front but I i I'm talking to [TS]

  this guy online and he's probably he's [TS]

  provoking me at first he's like oh you [TS]

  liberals think you're blah and so I go [TS]

  look at his I go to computational monk [TS]

  yeah I go look at this thing and I'm [TS]

  like I follow it to his blog where he's [TS]

  writing like economical uh like a good [TS]

  pieces on how to interpret certain [TS]

  aspects of the john 3 16 when I met Lou [TS]

  and the end on and I read his blog and [TS]

  I'm like this is a Catholic scholar but [TS]

  he's not a Catholic scholar who is who [TS]

  is who is a sitting at at Notre Dame [TS]

  University trying to get himself a you [TS]

  know trying to get himself appointed to [TS]

  the to the bench somewhere [TS]

  this is a guy who's who's peace peace [TS]

  all the way up in season right when it [TS]

  like he's there he's not just there to [TS]

  climb the ecumenical latter he's there [TS]

  because this is something that means a [TS]

  lot 20 yeah so I start writing it back [TS]

  and I'm like well I mean we got this we [TS]

  got that we got to think about this we [TS]

  gotta think about that he's like good [TS]

  points but what about this and that and [TS]

  all of a sudden I'm like arguing with [TS]

  this guy not even arguing where we agree [TS]

  on most things and & imy and I pull back [TS]

  from my phone and I'm like okay you know [TS]

  a point to Twitter like I like what am i [TS]

  doing it there's no science fiction book [TS]

  or film in the world that could make an [TS]

  action movie out of this me sitting in a [TS]

  chair staring at this little black box [TS]

  but really i'm falling into this world [TS]

  of interconnected communication with [TS]

  people all over the place [TS]

  and I don't and so now I find myself [TS]

  even though I've spent my whole life [TS]

  trying not to ever be a person who needs [TS]

  to get an ipad 3 let alone an ipad for [TS]

  when his ipad 2 pennies pretty sweet 43 [TS]

  friends I had to work just fine [TS]

  like I I did not buy a CD player ever [TS]

  not even when TV when see when CD [TS]

  players came out in the late eighties I [TS]

  was like this will never last and I [TS]

  maintained that attitude all the way [TS]

  through the lifetime of CD players today [TS]

  in 1999 i was still like that CD players [TS]

  i'm not going to get one of those things [TS]

  job and so here but here I am now [TS]

  finding myself socially dependent on my [TS]

  on my interface machine that gets me [TS]

  into this realm [TS]

  I'm embarrassed about the time I spent [TS]

  on Twitter it because only only [TS]

  embarrassed in so much as I feel like if [TS]

  anybody asks me to justify it [TS]

  I still I still don't have a great you [TS]

  are you already knew if you thought [TS]

  through that and you don't really have [TS]

  an answer proud of right because because [TS]

  do i get more out of because so much of [TS]

  the so much of my interactions on there [TS]

  are are just like it's just transitory [TS]

  it's just people going like how here's a [TS]

  picture of my part and you go click on [TS]

  the picture and it's a picture of empty [TS]

  air and you're like ah of course you [TS]

  getting through a fart next three Tate [TS]

  and you're like oh wow upon pumpkins as [TS]

  it took a picture of himself doing [TS]

  better earnings take a picture of John [TS]

  Hodgman taking a picture other there is [TS]

  ok next thing and then somebody's like [TS]

  uh-oh they're a bunch of people storming [TS]

  our embassy in Syria and then I get [TS]

  really into some you know like intense [TS]

  kind of politics for an hour where it's [TS]

  like all shit's happening in the world [TS]

  and then Sarah Silverman's like my boob [TS]

  hurts and I'm like aha [TS]

  should I comment and I go look and [TS]

  theres forty-two people that have [TS]

  commented on Sarah Silverman's booby [TS]

  rose for you at 43 of them are I'll help [TS]

  you with that bog like I'm not going to [TS]

  comment on that that's gross and and and [TS]

  you're just it's just this constant [TS]

  falling down the stairs but every once [TS]

  in a while everyone else something [TS]

  happens [TS]

  as your tumbling down the stairs like [TS]

  others they're storming our embassy in [TS]

  Syria that's fascinating that we talked [TS]

  about like when you know at least when I [TS]

  was a kid and down we first got MTV and [TS]

  and phenomena of like a stressy want to [TS]

  wait and see what the next video and try [TS]

  to capture so totally addictive but [TS]

  like--imagine imagine that the videos [TS]

  were talking back to you or you or you [TS]

  or wait you know what i mean that's [TS]

  that's what you're experiencing is [TS]

  you're right it is is like falling down [TS]

  downstairs but first of all so I'm [TS]

  dependent on the machine now is this [TS]

  iphone and I'm like okay well if there's [TS]

  a new one of these iphones that's faster [TS]

  that shows Sarah Silverman's boob [TS]

  tweeting in higher resolution yes you [TS]

  know and it's just like I don't want to [TS]

  be that i do not want to have that she's [TS]

  really your type [TS]

  Sarah yeah she's I mean I get back to [TS]

  give a couple three things about her [TS]

  that are in your wheelhouse [TS]

  yeah she's pretty close but but yeah [TS]

  I've not got to be a not to be the John [TS]

  Roderick in this episode of rhetoric on [TS]

  the line yeah but I met her a couple of [TS]

  times [TS]

  crazy girl and we have she crazy [TS]

  girlfriend material to actually use the [TS]

  bathroom in my trailer who and when she [TS]

  came out she said don't tell anyone I [TS]

  use the bathroom and I said I mean it's [TS]

  fine it's it's not shahad thing for her [TS]

  persona to say yeah and then she said i [TS]

  don't use the bathroom [TS]

  you know what I mean and you don't keep [TS]

  secrets [TS]

  I wonder yeah i'm talking about it on a [TS]

  podcast now that was many years ago yeah [TS]

  but she was very weird about bathroom [TS]

  time people knowing that she ever goes [TS]

  to the bathroom that's not ideal in [TS]

  front of another minor celebrity that's [TS]

  and see what it would seem like was it [TS]

  seemed like a window into her soul like [TS]

  I don't know if you want I mean crazy [TS]

  girlfriend is one thing now and i will i [TS]

  will chase it crazy Jewish girl again [TS]

  across five continents but [TS]

  but not if she has I don't go to the [TS]

  bathroom and all that's the second or [TS]

  first of all of the billions the [TS]

  literally billions of different [TS]

  transactions that occurred on the [TS]

  internet in the last month your [TS]

  exchanges with the Dominican are [TS]

  probably in the top point zero zero one [TS]

  percent and it was it was in what you [TS]

  know what I mean like all you have to do [TS]

  go and search they'll we have a plan to [TS]

  get drinks by the way me and the monk [TS]

  nice ya next time I'm in San Francisco [TS]

  we have in what what what do you suppose [TS]

  you both have what we're going to court [TS]

  arguing written real-time yeah we'll [TS]

  probably will probably go to a tea house [TS]

  as a tea room is that what it's called [TS]

  that was well you're the one that lives [TS]

  in San Francisco you tell me where the [TS]

  tea rooms are the career it's always a [TS]

  great code word up [TS]

  but you know he's a himself through he's [TS]

  like shut up there's a lot to say your [TS]

  cookies for breakfast on feel kind of [TS]

  chocolate chip cookies out [TS]

  um we're eating butter cookie guy don't [TS]

  you [TS]

  mmm i'm not wrong cookie guy only a [TS]

  quarter of ice cream at night but i'm [TS]

  not a big sweeter [TS]

  ok I we have an interesting constraint [TS]

  in and I can't say it's about saying it [TS]

  but we we are still have cause to [TS]

  provide information and artwork about [TS]

  our program from some people who are [TS]

  interested in helping to publicize it [TS]

  mhm and right now the single biggest [TS]

  constraint which is which is on me is to [TS]

  come up with presentable show art that [TS]

  they could use in a high-resolution [TS]

  environment now why is this a problem [TS]

  because the show art for our program [TS]

  which i happen to love because it [TS]

  doesn't look like the show art for a [TS]

  podcast is a photograph of the two of us [TS]

  at the ucsf computer store in probably [TS]

  2003 or 2,000 for it was the day you [TS]

  bought your first mac right with the [TS]

  first time actually there's a laptop we [TS]

  bought it with my wife said discount if [TS]

  memory serves right but here's the [TS]

  problem that photo of us [TS]

  shot shot a picture of the monitor that [TS]

  was taking our picture right it's at the [TS]

  largest resolution i have it is your [TS]

  phone right i mean you still have a flip [TS]

  phone at that point yeah i did is [TS]

  probably a little samsung flip phone but [TS]

  the truth is that [TS]

  podcast art 44 popular podcast [TS]

  distribution facilities is 300 by 300 [TS]

  pixels I had to stretch it to fit into [TS]

  that I had to go ahead to basically [TS]

  increase the size of it to read in [TS]

  reducing the quality of it because [TS]

  that's what that is what a camera on [TS]

  your phone was so you have something [TS]

  better if they want to put Roderick on [TS]

  the line up in one of those LED [TS]

  billboard in Times Square [TS]

  oh here's a good headed for one of those [TS]

  halftone screens i love so much [TS]

  but anyway and I want to get in and I I [TS]

  don't want to get too far into the into [TS]

  the phone thing can you convert two [TS]

  paths i can probably convert to pass I i [TS]

  might just go with a dither I'm gonna go [TS]

  with multiple mcintosh neither should i [TS]

  like it [TS]

  that was actually great for the [TS]

  Charleston caught on that was the last [TS]

  great dancer he's at the 20 the [TS]

  different about you gotta go when I [TS]

  gotta go ahead i got my god i want the [TS]

  Macintosh that everybody kick it and I'm [TS]

  sure I'm going with this but you know I [TS]

  gotta have to come back to one part of [TS]

  the science fiction and then I want to [TS]

  get back to the suburban thing um is [TS]

  that it is it to me yes science fiction [TS]

  the least interesting part of science [TS]

  fiction to me is the science ii who [TS]

  rocket car stuff [TS]

  the part that appeals to me that we [TS]

  always can write about is that the human [TS]

  human nature never really changes right [TS]

  and and the part that we never seem to [TS]

  get over is that that is the case and [TS]

  and why am I telling you this because I [TS]

  honestly I think I felt this and I think [TS]

  a lot of people feel this every day [TS]

  all i need is the whatever the the 45 4 [TS]

  445 16b bread maker and I finally be [TS]

  where I need to be well you're never [TS]

  going to be where you need to be because [TS]

  your essential nature is to be keening [TS]

  toward the acquisition of something not [TS]

  even nominally interesting that you've [TS]

  decided something that you really need [TS]

  to have and and and I i'm hesitant to [TS]

  say that this is a suburban thing [TS]

  although i think in the suburbs it is [TS]

  worse it certainly is you could be you [TS]

  want that beard could be you want to [TS]

  curl e pv Portland beard but but but the [TS]

  part about and again I haven't read more [TS]

  than a half-dozen science-fiction novels [TS]

  i've always enjoyed them a lot more than [TS]

  I thought I would but that's what I [TS]

  always loved about is this idea that [TS]

  that the take-home message of all the [TS]

  good ones is the human beings are always [TS]

  going to be meddling selfish and really [TS]

  basically unuseful people who look out [TS]

  for themselves more than others and in [TS]

  the case of things like comics they will [TS]

  always try to turn it into a weapon that [TS]

  seems to be a big science fiction thing [TS]

  we will always everything cool we get [TS]

  like glad to cholla for example the [TS]

  Black Panther who is the king of this [TS]

  country in africa and one of the most [TS]

  powerful of all they have the cure for [TS]

  cancer but they like they won't let me [TS]

  cast a weaponized it [TS]

  no here's the thing they didn't want to [TS]

  get with your such that cool give it [TS]

  they will not give it to cap or anybody [TS]

  else because they know that shield will [TS]

  turn into a weapon [TS]

  Oh shield I you know I think the [TS]

  technology that most people fans turn [TS]

  you around i'm gonna fucking turn you [TS]

  around on a sick think there are stories [TS]

  here that would help you John [TS]

  I know but I just I just a our good [TS]

  friend Adam permit just brought me that [TS]

  are bought me the collected great the [TS]

  all the fritz the cat [TS]

  cartoons in one volume right those the [TS]

  other day that taught me a lot who at [TS]

  that cat that's cat having intercourse [TS]

  and sweaters what is that [TS]

  yeah that's exactly right captain [TS]

  sweaters like Fritz the Cat is a pretty [TS]

  lean case love the captain sweater twins [TS]

  and then let's get some sweater twins [TS]

  that's not funny but might I thought it [TS]

  was by kidding but most of the female [TS]

  cats in Fritz the Cat are chubby cats in [TS]

  sweater my car chrome looking [TS]

  yes at a big big boobs and big behinds [TS]

  and boy I'll tell you that's just talked [TS]

  about in my wheelhouse [TS]

  yeah always separate you later feel like [TS]

  our chrome are crammed into that that's [TS]

  a ralph bakshi know who did that our [TS]

  crumb coated are chromed it fritz the [TS]

  cat [TS]

  yeah i mean that and say what you will [TS]

  about heart of us i'm sure i thought [TS]

  that she did the movie is all about the [TS]

  movie a real facts you'd only do that [TS]

  when you take your crumbs it fritz the [TS]

  cat [TS]

  yeah for Arkham different double-check [TS]

  that attracts our current that's an R [TS]

  crumb joint can't stand corrected [TS]

  but i but i think the tech the [TS]

  technology that most people when you [TS]

  really really get down to it the [TS]

  technology that the envy or the Bake [TS]

  Oven is the technology of [TS]

  leisure time like everyone when they [TS]

  really imagine what they would do you [TS]

  know what their what they really want [TS]

  people maintain this like I want to move [TS]

  out to the country and you know and turn [TS]

  off all my electronic devices and listen [TS]

  to the wind whistles through the trees [TS]

  I i still think that that is a powerful [TS]

  fantasy from for most people I and I [TS]

  feel that partly because it feels [TS]

  completely out of reach [TS]

  because it feels completely out of reach [TS]

  that's right and because it seems like [TS]

  the only way that you could achieve that [TS]

  is by it is through earning money it's [TS]

  the it's the it's the the old thing that [TS]

  you hear it up what im so many college [TS]

  campuses on graduation day where people [TS]

  say i want to do good things for the [TS]

  world i wanted i wanted to devote myself [TS]

  to helping other people but what I need [TS]

  to do right now is make a lot of money [TS]

  first and then I can be a liberal and [TS]

  then I can help people and a special war [TS]

  chest after I after I go for 10 years [TS]

  and work in banks and just look at how [TS]

  many times it happens every day [TS]

  it's only for so many people who make [TS]

  620,000 dollars a year on Wall Street [TS]

  and then then give it up in their early [TS]

  thirties to become environmental [TS]

  scientists well that settles that [TS]

  yeah it's a very common experience but [TS]

  that but that whole dream of like I mean [TS]

  I know a lot of people and and I feel [TS]

  like the power of that dream may be [TS]

  waning because I hear about it less and [TS]

  less now people are people are talking [TS]

  about achieving that state I think [TS]

  people are conscious Adams when I said [TS]

  people i mean you know like our our [TS]

  world our realm people are more aware [TS]

  now that they have to continue to work [TS]

  in order to feel valid that nobody has [TS]

  this like let's go down to Florida and [TS]

  sit in a rocking chair for the last 40 [TS]

  years of our life dream that our [TS]

  grandparents had but this idea that [TS]

  you're going to have a ranch in Montana [TS]

  with five dogs you're going to get up [TS]

  every morning and walk through the [TS]

  fields with your put the top your hand [TS]

  just barely grazing [TS]

  the wheat like like Russell Crowe in his [TS]

  death scene in Gladiator and enya is [TS]

  playing in the background and you're [TS]

  just walking with the dogs chasing [TS]

  behind you just just brushing the wheat [TS]

  I can't do that well it's great it's [TS]

  wonderful and that the thing that I [TS]

  always say to people who talk about that [TS]

  fantasy to me is montana is really cheap [TS]

  to live you can go do that now [TS]

  yeah absolutely right well um one thing [TS]

  with the students today and I this is [TS]

  just my own anecdotal guessing about one [TS]

  reason that's gotten harder to be honest [TS]

  is the cost of going to college and the [TS]

  subsequent student loans miii don't know [TS]

  this is accurate i listen to just enough [TS]

  public radio to be dangerous but i'm [TS]

  pretty sure most people when they finish [TS]

  college today have a pretty big tab [TS]

  definitely a bigger tab then the average [TS]

  graduate when you and I came out of [TS]

  school I think that's true and it in and [TS]

  it begs the question i met a person the [TS]

  other day at the max funcom event you [TS]

  may have heard of this is next week on [TS]

  East this is max one con east Jesse [TS]

  thorn production i met a person there [TS]

  who is a young person who I elected not [TS]

  to go to college in order to become a [TS]

  comedian and this person a smart person [TS]

  smart young person and I'm listening to [TS]

  this story and I'm thinking what a [TS]

  radical idea like smart middle-class [TS]

  young person just didn't even consider [TS]

  going to college because college was [TS]

  superfluous to their desires like they [TS]

  wanted to be an entertainer of some kind [TS]

  comedian or a writer and the idea that [TS]

  idea would not have occurred to me at 18 [TS]

  years old I couldn't get into a college [TS]

  when i was 18 because of my because my [TS]

  overall grades were FF d + f a [TS]

  a newspaper but but the idea of the idea [TS]

  of going into adult life without first [TS]

  passing through the lens of college was [TS]

  inconceivable [TS]

  it's okay was it would certainly feel [TS]

  extremely risky risky and just like you [TS]

  are you're basically going you're [TS]

  walking out into the world with a giant [TS]

  red L for loser on your on your jacket [TS]

  and now just as you're saying you come [TS]

  out of college with a degree in [TS]

  sociology and you are hundred and twenty [TS]

  thousand dollars in debt that was not a [TS]

  very smart move on your parks to go to [TS]

  college and get a degree in sociology it [TS]

  just wasn't i think a lot more people [TS]

  who who are at that point in their lives [TS]

  are going to start just saying there's [TS]

  nothing there's nothing that i'm going [TS]

  to learn in college that I don't already [TS]

  have access to on the internet and I'm [TS]

  gonna just go find my way through life [TS]

  on my own [TS]

  um I really do feel that colleges are [TS]

  colleges are pricing themselves out of [TS]

  you know like into irrelevance and we [TS]

  are going to look back at this era from [TS]

  50 years in the future and say oh yeah [TS]

  that was the moment that colleges became [TS]

  a pic the college's completely lost its [TS]

  gotta be close their game yes really [TS]

  it's got to be close [TS]

  yeah there's there's another thing [TS]

  though on when I was thinking about my [TS]

  former former racket as the the [TS]

  self-help guy you were great at that but [TS]

  thank you very much that's something i [TS]

  have it took me awhile to figure this [TS]

  out but it is this because I've had [TS]

  coffee and everything that seems related [TS]

  this does also shade into the [TS]

  speculative fiction stuff which is that [TS]

  um things evolve at different rates and [TS]

  so for example today on the the rate at [TS]

  which technology becomes faster more [TS]

  ubiquitous less expensive and more [TS]

  widely adopted the pace of that change [TS]

  is not being matched by an evolution in [TS]

  a wide broad you know a contiguous in [TS]

  agreed evolution in terms of how we use [TS]

  all that stuff so for example a lot of [TS]

  this kids coming out of college right [TS]

  now think emails for old people [TS]

  now you know what I mean they they just [TS]

  don't send emails there are a lot of my [TS]

  god i said to somebody the other day [TS]

  they were they were texting me or [TS]

  something and I said let's take this [TS]

  conversation to email and they said oh [TS]

  classic style and i didn't i didn't get [TS]

  the I didn't get the joke [TS]

  oh my god that was so cool let's laugh [TS]

  let's let's have a beer at the masonic [TS]

  temple you know I think they were dming [TS]

  me or something on Twitter and I was [TS]

  like listen I don't want to have this [TS]

  conversation over DMI here's my email [TS]

  address and they're like oh yeah some [TS]

  classic style I mean I I you know this [TS]

  is part of this is that I'm uh I'm a [TS]

  willful loner about a lot of the things [TS]

  i don't have a presence on Facebook [TS]

  without water [TS]

  I don't everything I ever get from evite [TS]

  goes into the spam filter mostly I I get [TS]

  such frustrated things from people think [TS]

  this is a fairly common thing nowadays [TS]

  of like you didn't you didn't respond to [TS]

  my my thing and i was like i'm sorry i'm [TS]

  not very good emailing notice on emails [TS]

  on facebook or or you know what i mean [TS]

  and the natural assumption is that a i'm [TS]

  on facebook be i'm following their [TS]

  facebook and a/c i use that to determine [TS]

  how I'm going to spend my night it been [TS]

  like that you know and and i said this [TS]

  before but like telling people I'm not [TS]

  on Facebook you know I don't go out of [TS]

  my way to say that I'm not like I don't [TS]

  have a TV guy just it's not a part of my [TS]

  life I might as well tell them i worship [TS]

  goats with the mountain people that it [TS]

  sounds to my family it's so bananas and [TS]

  then I get a thing for my kids school [TS]

  like oh we put up the photos from this [TS]

  event in this google plus group and like [TS]

  my own my heart sinks and it's like so I [TS]

  mean I guess what I'm saying is that you [TS]

  know with a new instagram now haha you [TS]

  know what I like my photos to look like [TS]

  photos [TS]

  look at the picture clouds that's handy [TS]

  oh absolutely any more than i should be [TS]

  good [TS]

  I go onto facebook about once a week [TS]

  just to see what's going to party your [TS]

  profession and and I I went over there [TS]

  the other day and someone had left a [TS]

  message on my eye on my in my inbox on [TS]

  your wall [TS]

  no not on my wall out of your facebook [TS]

  yeah a DM that was incredibly time [TS]

  sensitive like like I you need to reply [TS]

  to that you need to respond to this in [TS]

  the next 30 minutes that thing and and I [TS]

  was like who do you take me for [TS]

  I do not but its assumptions say about [TS]

  another person and that way i don't know [TS]

  what's strange is that the person that [TS]

  left this message has my phone number [TS]

  and my email address but that day that [TS]

  they sent this to me on facebook like [TS]

  you mean it's also a case of like [TS]

  they're using the medium that they did [TS]

  not think for one it with all due [TS]

  respect to your very good friend you i'm [TS]

  not sure what it is but but that person [TS]

  jesse eisenberg they did not take half a [TS]

  second to stop and think about a is this [TS]

  really important and if it is important [TS]

  well then why don't I do a little bit of [TS]

  the heavy lifting to reach this person [TS]

  in the place where that will be most [TS]

  cogent for them to receive an urgent [TS]

  message that could be fun could be [TS]

  whatever but you know what no it's all [TS]

  about their convenience and now back to [TS]

  the acceptance but now it's your fault [TS]

  you're the dick in there Matt well yeah [TS]

  it may have even been like this [TS]

  psychological that this is this person [TS]

  was trying to spur what the message was [TS]

  was she has 18 year old daughter this [TS]

  friend of mine for sale daughter for [TS]

  sale and she'll hundred she wanted me to [TS]

  have first crack at it was very first [TS]

  right of refusal to call crystal nice [TS]

  when you get this expert talk about [TS]

  liking that Natalie with the kilt rate [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  kristallnacht the little girl wanted to [TS]

  go to a rock show by a band called my [TS]

  seventh heaven or my diminished returner [TS]

  seventh heaven or my diminished returner [TS]

  haha i don't know what the band is [TS]

  called and some kind of lapierre Goffe [TS]

  emo band stand her her mom wanted to [TS]

  take her to this show but it turned out [TS]

  the show was sold out and so she was [TS]

  writing me saying can you get me into [TS]

  this show and this is a girl that I know [TS]

  this is a UH a woman i know well and I [TS]

  knew her daughter when she was young and [TS]

  now the daughter is 18 and this alone is [TS]

  a surprising fact and she wanted me to [TS]

  get them into this show and it was like [TS]

  it was like the show started in [TS]

  half-an-hour something but i but I [TS]

  suspect she might have sent send it to [TS]

  me on facebook as a kind of like her [TS]

  daughter was sitting there and this was [TS]

  her due diligence like hey can you get [TS]

  us into the show [TS]

  oh he didn't reply a lice we should be [TS]

  matching this is another layer to it [TS]

  that's good yeah um earlier about [TS]

  anymore earlier when you were talking [TS]

  about europe i looked at my my tumblr [TS]

  page and I I wasn't even aware the best [TS]

  existed until fairly recently but I [TS]

  haven't [TS]

  apparently I have an inbox on tumblr [TS]

  that I didn't know about [TS]

  yes apparently people can this is not a [TS]

  bad thing in itself but apparently [TS]

  people can send me the equivalent of i [TS]

  guess like a DM i can email you can send [TS]

  things called fan mail if you want if [TS]

  you if you choose to do so and i do not [TS]

  you can ask me anything in these kinds [TS]

  of things I don't think you can poke you [TS]

  can poke them if you talk about a flying [TS]

  at the mason hall but if you got on but [TS]

  i'm sitting here now and understand i [TS]

  didn't I kind of got that this existed [TS]

  somewhere but now in the redesign tumblr [TS]

  has added on their beautiful blue page a [TS]

  bright red rectangle that says 20 plus [TS]

  20 plus messages on tumblr that's right [TS]

  this is 20 plus and so now I never asked [TS]

  to have that turn no disrespect anybody [TS]

  was kind enough to send me a message but [TS]

  now every every every place that can at [TS]

  this point will create some kind of an [TS]

  area that you have to check to not be a [TS]

  dick [TS]

  and that's to me is not that's not [TS]

  tenable and applause messages waiting [TS]

  for you Merlin there will always be 20 [TS]

  plus and the thing is if i click it and [TS]

  this is a value for me John Roderick if [TS]

  I go in there and i'll go answer every [TS]

  one of those while that's setting aside [TS]

  all the things that I haven't answered [TS]

  in all these other places you know an [TS]

  email that i get from ryan and i don't [TS]

  mean I'm not complaining about you [TS]

  people i'm complaining about the the [TS]

  number of affordances for trying to [TS]

  communicate with me that I never asked [TS]

  for and i say this because when you know [TS]

  and understand that the the reason that [TS]

  the facebook request might have been [TS]

  tendered but this is this is a little [TS]

  bit like saying there's an urgent note [TS]

  note that i sent you why didn't you get [TS]

  I said where is it you said I put it in [TS]

  the lecture and the left shoe of your [TS]

  white box up but why are you checking [TS]

  your box you'll get it in the spring but [TS]

  you see I'm saying like that to me and I [TS]

  know again I'm an old guy don't know [TS]

  these things but i have no idea how or [TS]

  why anybody would want to keep up even [TS]

  if you have a lower volume of people [TS]

  interested in communicating with you I [TS]

  can understand why any time you choose [TS]

  to have something on your attention [TS]

  radar screen it should have to come with [TS]

  a thing you have to check are you have [TS]

  you checked in as the mayor of the local [TS]

  dim sum place there now I haven't are [TS]

  you the mayor having the other games [TS]

  hypnotized fingernails because of the [TS]

  amount of century-old dirt under their [TS]

  money and pork ya if you have you [TS]

  recently watched big trouble in little [TS]

  china know that Kim Cattrall yes Kurt [TS]

  Kurt Russell yes this is something you [TS]

  recommend i never seen it you've never [TS]

  seen Big Trouble in Little China I've [TS]

  never seen but groupons I well I haven't [TS]

  either [TS]

  okay i'm gonna get them in so much [TS]

  trouble right now because there was some [TS]

  added with i was part of some quiz show [TS]

  not very long ago and one of the [TS]

  questions was buckaroo banzai oriented [TS]

  and I fake my way through it I was like [TS]

  is john galt haha eww our past your [TS]

  passing i did i tried to pass as a [TS]

  buckaroo but because here's the thing [TS]

  about buckaroo banzai for someone my age [TS]

  group on oil and you're my age you [TS]

  understand this buckaroo banzai was [TS]

  advertised to me as as something on the [TS]

  level of Fletch [TS]

  oh I think it's some people's [TS]

  a money python junior it's a heavy [TS]

  source it would be like my not princess [TS]

  bride necessarily spinal tap maybe like [TS]

  spider-man understand how you cannot [TS]

  understand my references to the princess [TS]

  bride and spinal tap the two most [TS]

  quotable movies of all time [TS]

  laughter from The Godfather but I [TS]

  started to watch i started to watch [TS]

  buckaroo banzai sort of the first time [TS]

  it appeared out of the theater so it [TS]

  would have been either on VHS tape or [TS]

  whatever laserdisc the first time it [TS]

  appeared on cable or something like that [TS]

  I tried to watch it and I was like I [TS]

  don't think about this is interesting [TS]

  appeal to me and I tried this yet this [TS]

  bailed out of it in the first trial [TS]

  drive for me [TS]

  yeah it was dry that's exactly right but [TS]

  anyway so I so I fake my way through [TS]

  this buckaroo banzai thing in the in the [TS]

  quiz show but now I've been outed oh I'm [TS]

  busted [TS]

  now know how do you how do you respond [TS]

  to that now are you going to trouble in [TS]

  little china my friend [TS]

  first of all Kim control when she was [TS]

  hot [TS]

  yeah hot yeah but also didn't say I [TS]

  think she gets tied up in that movie she [TS]

  does many times but it's also it's also [TS]

  a San Francisco movie going to catch all [TS]

  of those it will help you understand the [TS]

  guy at the dim sum place i travel [TS]

  because of the little china food here's [TS]

  the other thing you can get the debt and [TS]

  then and then the other problem is not [TS]

  the problem but here's what I'm saying [TS]

  it went in nineteen let's say you're [TS]

  Benjamin Benjamin Braddock let's say [TS]

  it's nineteen sixty four five six seven [TS]

  eight nine you get out of college and it [TS]

  was you when you decided to join the [TS]

  Peace Corps or when you decided to move [TS]

  to haight ashbury or when you decided to [TS]

  just disappear into helping this little [TS]

  village you know in in Southeast Asia [TS]

  without any Facebook page that was you [TS]

  were making a statement you're in the [TS]

  CIA if you did that in 1966 that right [TS]

  nobody went to Southeast Asian to help a [TS]

  little village you think they've [TS]

  included a lot of hippies [TS]

  oh well they recruited a lot of [TS]

  ivy-league hippies huh [TS]

  the CIA was never interested in these [TS]

  people that didn't go to one of the four [TS]

  colleges but but when you did that you [TS]

  are doing more than trying to help [TS]

  somebody [TS]

  you were certainly probably trying to [TS]

  produce your reputation Gilmore tail but [TS]

  you are making a statement about society [TS]

  we're saying i am opting out of this [TS]

  plastic society that we don't know about [TS]

  now to go through this thing now today I [TS]

  think you could be just as high and [TS]

  mighty by buying cfl bulbs so on the one [TS]

  hand you've got the debt you go by the [TS]

  CFL bulbs you're spending less money so [TS]

  you can pay down the debt and on the [TS]

  other hand you get to be a giant dick [TS]

  about how your bread machine is green or [TS]

  whatever and I i think that is it that I [TS]

  think that is a real thing I think that [TS]

  is I think that is a big difference from [TS]

  even 20 years ago when we were when i [TS]

  was 20 years ago i graduated from [TS]

  college [TS]

  well it is that I think that's right and [TS]

  i think it is that the that the plastic [TS]

  society has become the plastic society [TS]

  was always a thing that you could be [TS]

  outside and I don't sense any more that [TS]

  it is a thing you can be outside you [TS]

  know it was only what you're in 1999 [TS]

  right i walked from amsterdam to [TS]

  Istanbul and I had no camera i had no [TS]

  certainly no phone [TS]

  perhaps they're decent man but i but i [TS]

  but i was still communicating with home [TS]

  even though it was even though it had [TS]

  transitioned to email i still was only [TS]

  able to communicate with home when i [TS]

  arrived in a town i would check into a [TS]

  hotel or or or you know or find a place [TS]

  to stay and then wander the town asking [TS]

  people i met on the street [TS]

  do you know of a place that has internet [TS]

  and eventually i would i would talk to [TS]

  somebody and they would point and i [TS]

  would wander up an alley and there'd be [TS]

  a there be a place that had computers [TS]

  and I would go in and spend 15 minutes [TS]

  you know Popeye and write this is my [TS]

  other things in 1999 1999 the year i got [TS]

  my first mobile phone and I and I had no [TS]

  no I mobile phones were still three or [TS]

  four years in my future who and I would [TS]

  sit then and I would tap out an email [TS]

  and send it and then log off because i [TS]

  knew i wasn't going to get a reply to [TS]

  that email until the following day and [TS]

  if I and then i would wake up in the [TS]

  morning at this hotel and I would go [TS]

  down to the same internet cafe where by [TS]

  that point i'd be on that like fist bump [TS]

  level with the guys that were [TS]

  bring it and I would login same process [TS]

  you know you're paying by the minute and [TS]

  then maybe that'd be a reply waiting for [TS]

  me and this was 12 years ago or so so [TS]

  now if i was walking from amsterdam to [TS]

  stamp cool i would have I would be [TS]

  posting pictures right and tweeting [TS]

  about it every hour and there will be [TS]

  thousands of people following my [TS]

  progress and that would that would not [TS]

  be incidental to the trip you know what [TS]

  I mean I try to mirror the sum sum not [TS]

  in the Balkans yeah yeah I would be I'd [TS]

  be mayor of the of the Vulcan mountains [TS]

  but but a but that it would got the [TS]

  mayor of the Vulcan mountains [TS]

  either they're actually fulfill k dick [TS]

  now haha it would that the thing is that [TS]

  it would not it would not just be that I [TS]

  was that I was doing the same trip and I [TS]

  would just be documenting it that that [TS]

  posting about it would become central to [TS]

  the trip [TS]

  absolutely absolutely would become [TS]

  almost almost like companion because you [TS]

  start looking for things to photograph [TS]

  you start looking for experiences to [TS]

  facebook and you might start looking for [TS]

  things that you could be the mayor of [TS]

  well and people would be communicating [TS]

  with me and saying oh my god you have to [TS]

  go to this castle but I want to on my on [TS]

  my year abroad [TS]

  it's only a two-day walk from where you [TS]

  drugged her my stir this Holocaust [TS]

  Memorial and and so the trip and the [TS]

  social networking would be inextricable [TS]

  from one another right and the entire [TS]

  time i would be gone but I would also [TS]

  feel like I was not gone and and and in [TS]

  1999 when i did this i was completely [TS]

  gone there were multiple multiple days [TS]

  where if I had fallen into a hole [TS]

  Wow there would be no way anybody could [TS]

  ever have traced to where i had [TS]

  disappeared [TS]

  you know the but the last time anyone [TS]

  heard from him he was in this town and [TS]

  it was four days until i was in the next [TS]

  town and in that for daytime i could [TS]

  have just gone away forever and I was in [TS]

  places where that was that was [TS]

  absolutely possible [TS]

  did you think about that when you're [TS]

  walking across these long stretches that [TS]

  the day that i introduced you to google [TS]

  maps east [TS]

  better i think an entire night zooming [TS]

  in on tiny pieces of Romania trying to [TS]

  find one specific spot that I think is [TS]

  it's kind of important thing in your [TS]

  book to write it as 1 spot where [TS]

  something really big happen and you were [TS]

  coming over that ground that ground [TS]

  there was not a lot of places free for [TS]

  you to check ins right [TS]

  oh no that was a place where I would [TS]

  have been I would have been a animal [TS]

  food and it wasn't it's not that it was [TS]

  one place it was that I crossed a across [TS]

  the mountain range where it was just [TS]

  when I was just completely I was not [TS]

  even on a trip i wasn't gonna go trail i [TS]

  was just fighting my way through the [TS]

  forest and and that whole kind of two [TS]

  day period was a time where even a [TS]

  sprained ankle would have been [TS]

  life-threatening that didn't freak you [TS]

  out at the time [TS]

  fucking freak me out oh my god imagine I [TS]

  was that broken ass backpack that's why [TS]

  when you showed me that when you showed [TS]

  me google maps I was like oh my god [TS]

  because my google earth right yeah this [TS]

  was a place where there were no Maps [TS]

  even even the Romanian maps just add it [TS]

  as a big black area and it no sewer lids [TS]

  there knows there are no sewers and when [TS]

  I met people there they were just that [TS]

  this was the part of the country where I [TS]

  would meet people and they would and it [TS]

  would be inconceivable to them that I [TS]

  didn't speak Romanian but that I did [TS]

  speak a language like they understood i [TS]

  guess that there were other languages [TS]

  but that that not speaking Romanian [TS]

  meant that I was either stupid or [TS]

  illiterate but I did have I did seem to [TS]

  have words and I didn't seem stupid so [TS]

  what's this about [TS]

  they like that far off what we would [TS]

  consider the grid list off the grid [TS]

  Jesus and so but in any in any case the [TS]

  idea of doing a thing like that now I [TS]

  don't think I think [TS]

  some much I mean not that not that there [TS]

  was a huge group of people 12 years ago [TS]

  who were walking from amsterdam to [TS]

  Istanbul but the number of people who [TS]

  would do it now I probably still the [TS]

  same number of people but but fully [TS]

  seventy percent of even that small cast [TS]

  of people would be thinking about how [TS]

  they would document it how they would [TS]

  tweet it how they would instagram it you [TS]

  know the number of people it who would [TS]

  do it with no technology on board as [TS]

  shrunk to statistical irrelevance and I [TS]

  and I'm not sure anymore at it isn't [TS]

  even a question of there being any [TS]

  unexplored places in on the globe so [TS]

  much as it is that we no longer want to [TS]

  explore places in silence we no longer [TS]

  want to be potentially that dr. that [TS]

  sense of documentation that's always [TS]

  been around if you want if i'm just [TS]

  guessing if you fill is ok if it was in [TS]

  the early fifties and you want a chance [TS]

  to go backstage at the martin lewis TV [TS]

  show you sure as shit bring a camera and [TS]

  get a photo right if you are if you were [TS]

  if you were a volunteer for and sand [TS]

  dominican monk and you got the chance to [TS]

  work on Kennedy's campaign and got a [TS]

  chance to meet him you get a photo and [TS]

  autograph right i don't know you know my [TS]

  friend autumn wild who is a rock and [TS]

  roll photographer she tells this kind of [TS]

  famous story about the first time she [TS]

  photographed elliott smith and she went [TS]

  back years later after he died to look [TS]

  at you know to find that first roll of [TS]

  film that she shot of Elliot the first [TS]

  time they met [TS]

  and you know this is a role of 24 [TS]

  exposures or something and she said she [TS]

  had three or four pictures of elliott [TS]

  and then a picture of her cat and a [TS]

  picture of a sunset and you know this [TS]

  was 24 exposures but when she when she [TS]

  took a few pictures of Elliot she didn't [TS]

  want to waste the film because a roll of [TS]

  film was valuable so she got you know [TS]

  she got three or four exposures right [TS]

  but then she needed to save that film [TS]

  because you know it basically that 24 [TS]

  exposures represented that month of her [TS]

  life and it was pictures from all kind [TS]

  of all different places she went all [TS]

  aspects and she was looking at it and [TS]

  thinking to herself was I crazy [TS]

  why didn't I just take 24 Whole pictures [TS]

  of elliott smith like this was i was [TS]

  telling how i used to think it was early [TS]

  on in his in his years and the these [TS]

  pictures now those early pictures of [TS]

  Elliot are like some of her some of the [TS]

  things that she treasures the most and [TS]

  she she's trying to get inside of her [TS]

  mind and think why didn't I just blow a [TS]

  whole roll on this dude you know but she [TS]

  just you know she just took a couple of [TS]

  pictures and then had to save that film [TS]

  so I mean you know when I think about my [TS]

  own life there are no pictures of me [TS]

  Merlin between the ages of 17 and 22 [TS]

  really aren't part of like King County [TS]

  Sheriff [TS]

  that's yeah right or like I mean I think [TS]

  people like Gonzaga probably have them [TS]

  pictures that were taken at parties and [TS]

  like i'm in i'm walking through the room [TS]

  or something like that but but no I [TS]

  don't like that picture lincoln at the [TS]

  gettysburg address again early zoom-in [TS]

  gotta get a blurry like in the distance [TS]

  and somebody's likewise i see that said [TS]

  bi curious guy but like no no pictures [TS]

  of me ever hopping a freight train of [TS]

  you know Rangers be on a train like none [TS]

  of those things were documented because [TS]

  I mean I certainly there were people [TS]

  then who were taking pic who are taking [TS]

  me remember those girls in college that [TS]

  had 25 photo albums of parties and was [TS]

  always photos of three girls smiling and [TS]

  holding a drink up to the camera like [TS]

  lucky there's always that like four [TS]

  fraternity and sorority section of your [TS]

  college paper it's just lots of pictures [TS]

  of white people at a party [TS]

  yeah with red eyeballs but there were a [TS]

  lot of us then who were not who did not [TS]

  think of ourselves as photographers and [TS]

  my instinct was not to document my [TS]

  instinct was to do and that instinct i [TS]

  preserved that instinct until not very [TS]

  long ago [TS]

  you know I was thinking there was a [TS]

  there there are so many people in my [TS]

  life where I had a profound experience [TS]

  with them on the side of the road [TS]

  somewhere where you know I arrived like [TS]

  I was a really picky eater my whole life [TS]

  and I and my picky eating up there was [TS]

  there was a pivotal moment where I [TS]

  stopped being a picky eater and it was [TS]

  at a little restaurant in Innsbruck [TS]

  Austria and it was the middle of the [TS]

  night and houses the lady who had you in [TS]

  ya likelihoods Australian and and had a [TS]

  you know and and and serve me asparagus [TS]

  for the first time and this woman and [TS]

  her little restaurant are they are like [TS]

  a their flag planted in my imagination [TS]

  and when my daughter is old enough to [TS]

  hear that story she's going to hear it [TS]

  she's going to hear it a thousand times [TS]

  probably and when I'm 85 years old and [TS]

  sitting in a rocking chair and somebody [TS]

  goes would you like some asparagus i'm [TS]

  going to say funny story [TS]

  you know I never used to have Americans [TS]

  until 1 i'm forever [TS]

  now if i had documented that restaurant [TS]

  here your asparagus with one bite out of [TS]

  it nom-nom-nom-nom if I had checked into [TS]

  that restaurant or if I had blogged [TS]

  about it at the time and written it down [TS]

  and and and yelped it [TS]

  yeah then that restaurant would not be a [TS]

  flag in my imagination in the same way [TS]

  it would be a place that I you know that [TS]

  I could that I would have pictures of or [TS]

  that might still exist [TS]

  that I might have tried to go back to at [TS]

  some point when I know but but instead [TS]

  that experience happened happened in my [TS]

  memory in a way where my my memories are [TS]

  like are like fairy tales or nursery [TS]

  rhymes like that version of innsbruck [TS]

  austria exists in my mind as something [TS]

  out of snow white and the seven dwarfs [TS]

  and i have no I have no scrap book about [TS]

  it and I don't want one [TS]

  yeah and like if you had that today and [TS]

  looked at it you might in assembly look [TS]

  at any old photo you would notice you [TS]

  might notice funny things like a look at [TS]

  that old time magazine like my one of my [TS]

  favorite photos of my mom and dad the [TS]

  first thing i love the fact that they're [TS]

  hugging it's great like moment and I [TS]

  always notice how it's an old so very [TS]

  very old can of coke from making 72 [TS]

  that's the first thing I always notice [TS]

  is the coconut [TS]

  yeah i mean traditional photo but it but [TS]

  like the fifth the photograph and the [TS]

  act of photographing got to be fucking [TS]

  you know Susan Sontag or whatever but [TS]

  like somebody was a woman but by but [TS]

  that this changes the whole experience [TS]

  it changes but but there's more than [TS]

  just right now look at a picture this [TS]

  woman and she'd have white power tattoos [TS]

  on her knuckles that I didn't notice at [TS]

  the time [TS]

  advice is pop I need my fingers [TS]

  um here's a here's the other thing [TS]

  that's really funny that like I i have a [TS]

  pastime hobby in san francisco which is [TS]

  finding look noticing tourists who are [TS]

  taking photos of themselves and their [TS]

  friends and it's a thing I do I'm not [TS]

  advocating that i will all I do this all [TS]

  the time I walk up and I say hey which [TS]

  would you like me to take a photo of you [TS]

  and I'd be happy to take the photo for [TS]

  you and in almost invariably oh my god [TS]

  yes thank you you do that that's very [TS]

  generous of you i'll tell you what i do [TS]

  i'll tell you what i do first of all I i [TS]

  say well right now their crotch seam I [TS]

  doing this anyway [TS]

  well now looking at this camera and [TS]

  shoot cameras getting there [TS]

  no no I i do several things because part [TS]

  of my job is to educate as well first of [TS]

  all right now you're what's called [TS]

  backlit you got the Sun behind so what [TS]

  do we do it this way let's get this [TS]

  solid background behind you if you want [TS]

  one of you with the golden great Kate [TS]

  bridge in the background while different [TS]

  this angle and i'll show you [TS]

  art-directed idealized director because [TS]

  I know how many shitty pictures people [TS]

  everything but the only important thing [TS]

  that I do I never take fewer than three [TS]

  photographs of this model because I when [TS]

  I was you know coming around trying to [TS]

  become a better photographer few years [TS]

  ago before I got sick of carrying a [TS]

  five-pound camera with me everywhere I [TS]

  learned that if you take six photographs [TS]

  of the same thing they're well first of [TS]

  all there will be at least two or three [TS]

  that are markedly different and there's [TS]

  very likely be one that is an order of [TS]

  magnitude better than the others for no [TS]

  reason that an amateur like myself could [TS]

  identify read so there's a couple funny [TS]

  things funny thing one [TS]

  it's amazing yeah you'll see people who [TS]

  take 50 photographs of the same blurry [TS]

  20-year old man playing guitar on stage [TS]

  that's not useful to anybody you see the [TS]

  post these stupid fucking videos on [TS]

  YouTube that are of no use to me try and [TS]

  find a good built to spill live video [TS]

  here's what they all sound like every [TS]

  life the last oil don't know this bill [TS]

  sounds like you're driving guy think [TS]

  he's got better finger work than that [TS]

  but too funny things one is that yes [TS]

  people still for an important event will [TS]

  take this one photo and then jump [TS]

  straight into putting on Facebook or [TS]

  whatever but you know what the other [TS]

  thing is this [TS]

  is just an admission because i have a [TS]

  guilty conscience about having been [TS]

  somebody who would like try to get [TS]

  myself photograph with famous people [TS]

  like I wish there were more photos of us [TS]

  five dudes hanging out when i was in [TS]

  Seattle but felt like like I would feel [TS]

  like kind of a dick to go let's do this [TS]

  you know the photo we got of the five of [TS]

  us sitting together was not us [TS]

  it was Chad Chad the one that took a [TS]

  photo of the five of us in our tuxedos [TS]

  in around backstage we should have a [TS]

  whole bunch we should have shot we [TS]

  should have had somebody professional [TS]

  come in and take really cool pictures of [TS]

  us that we could use for stuff you're [TS]

  right but we didn't because on the other [TS]

  hand on the one hand like now I'm a [TS]

  little bit gun-shy think about the way i [TS]

  was in that booth we got interviewed not [TS]

  have you noticed this but short of being [TS]

  unprofessional [TS]

  I did everything I could to stay out of [TS]

  the camera I stayed right over the edge [TS]

  talking your PR friend because i did not [TS]

  i don't want to be part of the [TS]

  photograph everything culture it's not [TS]

  privacy it's not anything but now like [TS]

  that it's funny that with the ubiquity [TS]

  of those devices [TS]

  I'm a little gun-shy now about just [TS]

  taking pictures of people for fun [TS]

  whereas we used to like it as precious [TS]

  as those were on the one hand that lady [TS]

  has some wonderful photos evaluate Smith [TS]

  and of her cat but like why would you [TS]

  take five rolls because it was expensive [TS]

  now today nobody has the thought to take [TS]

  5 photos of their bachelorette party [TS]

  together that are good look at them in [TS]

  the camera don't just chip and take a [TS]

  photo in the mid air like take a good [TS]

  photo like a gentleman [TS]

  it's just it's another one of these [TS]

  things where I think the the culture has [TS]

  not caught up with the technology and [TS]

  the parts of the culture that do catch [TS]

  up with the technology are sometimes a [TS]

  little bit paradoxical or contradictory [TS]

  well the library of congress is [TS]

  archiving all of our tweets and thank [TS]

  God and presumably presumably I mean [TS]

  everybody everybody assumes i don't and [TS]

  I don't think this is necessarily true [TS]

  but everybody assumes that all of our [TS]

  flickr photos and all of everything is [TS]

  archived forever but we are creating [TS]

  we're creating a tale of frozen [TS]

  experiences that no one will ever sift [TS]

  through how could you how could you [TS]

  possibly sift through [TS]

  the billion photographs of three rides [TS]

  is the photos of my kids first year [TS]

  there's just too many in different [TS]

  places i'm paranoid about losing them [TS]

  but I have you know since then i take [TS]

  two photos a year but I've got but you [TS]

  know I'm saying just from the first year [TS]

  at that everybody doesn't notice every [TS]

  photograph that exists of my [TS]

  grandmother's entire life I own in a [TS]

  shoebox when you know every single 1i [TS]

  can i can and i can tell you everyone of [TS]

  them every single photo of my dad I have [TS]

  unless there are you know there are some [TS]

  in other people's photo albums floating [TS]

  around and those people's kids don't [TS]

  know who my dad is and when they're [TS]

  going through their parents old photo [TS]

  albums they're throwing those pictures [TS]

  away just as I throwaway pictures of [TS]

  people in my dad's photos I'm like who [TS]

  is this some some guy that worked on the [TS]

  pipeline that my dad took his picture in [TS]

  1972 like don't need it and and there's [TS]

  something about that calling that is [TS]

  very important to me it's why every time [TS]

  I open up my iphoto as i'm looking [TS]

  through photos i am just deleting right [TS]

  uh not not not deleting i'm just going [TS]

  through and like I don't need that one [TS]

  anymore I don't need that I don't need [TS]

  that just as a way of trying to trying [TS]

  to order it with some kind of semblance [TS]

  of you know if autumn the wild was [TS]

  taking that role of photographs of [TS]

  Elizabeth today she would have 700 [TS]

  pictures and i'm not sure if the [TS]

  additional 695 pictures we need or at [TS]

  least those five that she took our our [TS]

  treasures even the one that's a little [TS]

  out of focus and I mean I honestly I [TS]

  honestly can't say we are old you and I [TS]

  wait while we yes we start like my eyes [TS]

  and hear my ears ring my eyes ring i [TS]

  just got a new i just got a new brand or [TS]

  generic adderall and so I wanted to go [TS]

  to use this till identifier site you can [TS]

  go to to find out what any pillows and [TS]

  it's really cool you going you should [TS]

  try as well what you got you go in there [TS]

  and bills [TS]

  okay good for you to try this with your [TS]

  coffee beans and you go up there and and [TS]

  you just enter in whatever letters are [TS]

  on it [TS]

  and it very magically shows you what you [TS]

  got what does that tell you about your [TS]

  over-the-counter cheap at all I should [TS]

  let you talk more and down that's what [TS]

  it said was right there it is made by [TS]

  anyway but I I John it was so fucking [TS]

  funny i'm sitting here in the admittedly [TS]

  somewhat dim and comfortable golden [TS]

  light of my office that I keep a certain [TS]

  way and it would i I've never looked [TS]

  more like an old man in my life because [TS]

  i'm doing that thing where I used to be [TS]

  you hold it a certain place and you can [TS]

  see it so then I'm doing this Frank [TS]

  Benjamin Franklin a score like a lot [TS]

  like one hook thing is i would hook that [TS]

  like really microscope guy doing looking [TS]

  over the top of your glasses [TS]

  I'm pulling it the arm's length and then [TS]

  pulling it up close [TS]

  ok I get ours and now I'm putting it [TS]

  next to the damn ikea like and I'm like [TS]

  fuck fuck i designed i go into my the [TS]

  bathroom where i have 4 23 watt which is [TS]

  like you know which is hippie 400-watt [TS]

  giant light bulbs in my bathroom because [TS]

  i like a lot well at bathroom I go in [TS]

  there and I have to turn the lights on [TS]

  and stand so that i can see the subtle [TS]

  shadow this is this is this is why any [TS]

  glasses but I add it's awful i can't see [TS]

  in the dark anymore either you need a [TS]

  magnifying glass you need a big this [TS]

  lock homestyle magnifly grandpa doing [TS]

  the crossword [TS]

  yeah what does that say that now here's [TS]

  a question for you with all your view [TS]

  all of your secret internet drug [TS]

  connections yeah [TS]

  ketamine set that 4k holding Academy is [TS]

  like an animal tranquilizer and kind of [TS]

  a pcp trying to get to that but somebody [TS]

  said somebody sent me a thing on online [TS]

  that was a link to an article in the [TS]

  yale medical journal but said small [TS]

  doses of ketamine who are a are like [TS]

  have been found to be an instantaneous [TS]

  cure for depression who take this [TS]

  ketamine and within within 45 minutes [TS]

  like your brain is only biblical rewired [TS]

  itself now it doesn't last and only last [TS]

  a few days or seven days or something [TS]

  like that but I would be very interested [TS]

  in trying this enemy is on the list [TS]

  schedule 1 there's actually scheduled [TS]

  three in the US that's not too bad [TS]

  economy is on the list of of [TS]

  those drugs you know like a like a [TS]

  paracord monkey monkey adrenal glands [TS]

  and stuff that i never got around to [TS]

  taking during the drug years huh i don't [TS]

  i will say that there are things that [TS]

  one is not supposed to have that can be [TS]

  acquired anything i have discovered in [TS]

  the past before i got and someday i will [TS]

  tell you what I have to go through to [TS]

  get a prescription filled each month it [TS]

  is fucking medieval what I have to go [TS]

  through its ridiculous because the thing [TS]

  is I the stuff that I take for my stuff [TS]

  is feed so i have to go and get a [TS]

  physical prescription i have to insert [TS]

  which means I've got to go drive across [TS]

  town pay for parking go in pick up a [TS]

  piece of paper go back pay for my [TS]

  parking leave go somewhere and drop out [TS]

  after you that every 30 days you can't [TS]

  just do it online on I want to do every [TS]

  30 days on the dot [TS]

  otherwise I run out you get you know 30 [TS]

  days worth this guy follow on twitter [TS]

  Daniel Shannon I'm not going to shannon [TS]

  yeah he's been talking about the fact [TS]

  that he ran out of adderall because the [TS]

  pharmacy was closed because of the [TS]

  hurricane katrina and he's been sitting [TS]

  on a on a toadstool or whatever in his [TS]

  apartment for the last four days with [TS]

  none of his meds and and just falling [TS]

  deeper and deeper into some kind of [TS]

  crazy hole and just wait [TS]

  he's waiting for this he's waiting for [TS]

  this pharmacy to open on monday morning [TS]

  or something he's gonna have to put on [TS]

  snowshoes to get only thing like Chicago [TS]

  right now he's in New York they are okay [TS]

  but as soon as it well i have to tell [TS]

  you there's not even snow on the ground [TS]

  he just has to put on snowshoes because [TS]

  that's what his brain is telling him [TS]

  that's why he needs the medication yeah [TS]

  i'm being a homosexual men on total sale [TS]

  they like to have their snowshoes [TS]

  he's a riot by the way down to find one [TS]

  well first of all I take less than I am [TS]

  then I and prescribed it's always a good [TS]

  yeah because I mean it's in and I am [TS]

  have gotten full light [TS]

  well I shouldn't say this but you know [TS]

  I've got was a carp lunch with but [TS]

  within reason I should take the amount [TS]

  that makes me feel good and doesn't give [TS]

  any side effects and sometimes for me [TS]

  that's less than happy so I'm fortunate [TS]

  that I've got a little bit of wiggle [TS]

  room [TS]

  I'll tell you tell me you've ever known [TS]

  people that take i was to sleep one that [TS]

  everybody takes ambien ambien maybe ever [TS]

  known an ambien person you mean one who [TS]

  gets up in the middle of the night and [TS]

  has like group sex and then doesn't [TS]

  remember it [TS]

  no I had I had I had one of those all [TS]

  let me tell you bout that one sometime i [TS]

  had the one that was on this american [TS]

  life that makes people can have [TS]

  intercourse I had a prescription for [TS]

  that one really did you shop on the [TS]

  internet and have intercourse and Gamble [TS]

  and then not remember it i can't [TS]

  remember how you know if you laughter [TS]

  would have lvm haha i have to be so that [TS]

  it was better than I didn't have no fuck [TS]

  you [TS]

  I've known some ambient people i have an [TS]

  ambien user in my family for whom he or [TS]

  she the new just say the idea so I mean [TS]

  you had intoxicants that you use on a [TS]

  regular basis in the past [TS]

  yes yes have you ever had the feeling of [TS]

  oh my gosh i need to get more of this [TS]

  yes ok well just the very prospect of [TS]

  his or her prescription running out [TS]

  this is fucking ridiculous when she's [TS]

  very close to running out she loses it [TS]

  if she thinks that you know I'm saying [TS]

  like she's using a different state and [TS]

  there's a confusion with the [TS]

  prescription she goes normally but very [TS]

  same person she goes like offered night [TS]

  at the prospect of it not abstractly not [TS]

  being she still got some but when you're [TS]

  capable horde I mean you got always have [TS]

  us you'll always have a up like a start [TS]

  stockpiling like swords and military [TS]

  hats [TS]

  ya like like sore on sitting and not [TS]

  sore on smog like smoke sitting on his [TS]

  still hand that his name not that smog [TS]

  Smaug the dragon sitting on his horde of [TS]

  dwarvish goal i am star wars today I'm [TS]

  at hand but i believe a catalog [TS]

  yeah but you know it's it's it's it's [TS]

  hard when you when you when you take the [TS]

  drugs and you get I'll tell you though [TS]

  there's other many other things that [TS]

  I've taken for various other things that [TS]

  i'd much rather be not out of then this [TS]

  stuff like like oh my gosh you know with [TS]

  the soul [TS]

  you run out of soda water you got the [TS]

  means makes me so crazy I do and I I [TS]

  stack up you know is on because Maya [TS]

  downstairs my my basement problem i was [TS]

  on steroids for a while i was on [TS]

  prednisone and you've got to taper that [TS]

  off because like if you're if you run [TS]

  out of that you are making fucked [TS]

  why what happened because your body [TS]

  while basically it's been assigned as [TS]

  you know i'm i'm not a steroidal a [TS]

  physician but my understanding is that [TS]

  it is heavily and steroid it like it [TS]

  gives you lots of extra steroid activity [TS]

  but that also causes your body to [TS]

  produce much less naturally and i'm [TS]

  given to believe this is true for many [TS]

  different kinds of drugs and so if you [TS]

  don't take the shit out of a steroid [TS]

  like you're going to be in a really bad [TS]

  way [TS]

  oh yeah that I don't really even I guess [TS]

  know what steroids do I don't either [TS]

  because they make it bulky to get your [TS]

  moon facing the moon-faced your [TS]

  suspicions the Jerry Lewis Williams [TS]

  moon-faced yeah I have well you know all [TS]

  half the people in Wales moon phase is [TS]

  that is that a natural a natural thing [TS]

  of the drinking or the poetry what [TS]

  causes that I think it's yeah it's like [TS]

  a gumbo thing drinking country isn't it [TS]

  wells yeah I think they drink their from [TS]

  i'm pretty sure they do a drink to [TS]

  forget to drink to remember other celts [TS]

  drinks they drink just to they just [TS]

  drink to get by [TS]

  yeah they came to get down [TS]

  we came to get down oh so you gotta get [TS]

  up your seat and jump around jump around [TS]

  that's right pop quiz the matrix bill [TS]

  and ted's excellent adventure into a [TS]

  certain extent glengarry glen ross what [TS]

  they have in common [TS]

  Oh Johnny I think I'll read it again the [TS]

  matrix [TS]

  yeah bill and ted's excellent adventure [TS]

  yeah and glengarry glen ross first we'll [TS]

  have you seen all three movies [TS]

  yes excellent dude most excellent us all [TS]

  three rely very heavily on pay phones [TS]

  and the matrix is to use a payphone to [TS]

  to do that little travel daily right [TS]

  right right Dylan has excellent [TS]

  adventure they travel in a phone booth [TS]

  to go three times and glengarry glen [TS]

  ross some of the most poignant moments [TS]

  happen when Jack Clemons on a payphone [TS]

  right is upsetting the side dialing from [TS]

  i'm setting aside all of the various [TS]

  seventies cop shows that depended out [TS]

  fucking dirty harry you couldn't have [TS]

  dirty harry the 30 hurry [TS]

  Megaforce they're here they're here you [TS]

  can have without pay phones are so many [TS]

  stories that when you watch the movie [TS]

  now if you showed these to a kid today [TS]

  they'll be like why they just you know [TS]

  that Roger even tried reaching Cisco's [TS]

  rule that like you know no movie no [TS]

  movie should ever involved and easily [TS]

  overcome misunderstanding [TS]

  like that's a French play not a good [TS]

  news haha i don't understand you're not [TS]

  really having sex i did I kill you [TS]

  what was that one not very long ago with [TS]

  the Colin Farrell where he was trapped [TS]

  in a phone booth and there was a sniper [TS]

  oh it was called the phone booth with [TS]

  the boots yeah that wasn't that long ago [TS]

  right with the matrix I mean to me the [TS]

  matrix is part of the modern age matrix [TS]

  like it's like Rushmore it's from that [TS]

  period when you know but they have to [TS]

  get to a phone booth [TS]

  yeah I gotta get to this one foot within [TS]

  the phone rings that the-the-the got the [TS]

  glasses and he anyway [TS]

  Wow should p anything else you you doing [TS]

  ok I'm doing fine you know our I thought [TS]

  that was a really good episode but but [TS]

  uh we we we didn't we didn't find [TS]

  exactly know I'll find a dinner there's [TS]

  a there's a digit dinner in there was in [TS]

  the middle of something that I can cut [TS]

  it off [TS]

  I gotta pee really really bad yeah I [TS]

  gotta poo okay okay good okay well I'll [TS]

  talk to you soon okay you're the best [TS]

  move you too buddy [TS]

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