Roderick on the Line

◼   ► hello John [TS]

◼   ► hi Merlin are you early hehe i read that [TS]

◼   ► on a card i was going to ask you how [TS]

◼   ► you're adjusting to these increasingly [TS]

◼   ► early recording times I liked him as i [TS]

◼   ► get older and older it's nice to spend [TS]

◼   ► to get up a little early i like to have [TS]

◼   ► the evenings free to move my bowels [TS]

◼   ► mmm i had a very interesting experience [TS]

◼   ► today i went to my taco bus where I [TS]

◼   ► normally go but usually at night you go [TS]

◼   ► to the taco bus and it's just all [TS]

◼   ► Volvo's lined up out front it's just [TS]

◼   ► people in in little software designer [TS]

◼   ► glasses with that with fleece pants and [TS]

◼   ► they're all lined up to get tacos but [TS]

◼   ► during the day you at lunchtime and it's [TS]

◼   ► it's all guys covered in sheetrock dust [TS]

◼   ► Wow right everybody in there is Hispanic [TS]

◼   ► the TV is playing or I guess I guess [TS]

◼   ► Latino is the preferred nomenclature the [TS]

◼   ► TV is playing some some novellas and a [TS]

◼   ► it's a it's a real it's real downtown [TS]

◼   ► scene during the day well I walk on the [TS]

◼   ► bus and I'm carrying my daughter and I [TS]

◼   ► have never felt like such a rockstar in [TS]

◼   ► my life because you know usually get on [TS]

◼   ► a bus and there's like 15 middle aged [TS]

◼   ► mexican guys on there you know maybe [TS]

◼   ► you're going to hear you're gonna nod to [TS]

◼   ► a couple of guys as you walk through but [TS]

◼   ► for the most part it's going to be a you [TS]

◼   ► know it's going to be a pretty neutral [TS]

◼   ► scene but I walked on the bus carrying [TS]

◼   ► this little two-year-old and every man [TS]

◼   ► on the bus smiled at me with the most [TS]

◼   ► genuine smile of friendship and [TS]

◼   ► brotherhood [TS]

◼   ► [Music] [TS]

◼   ► and I was like completely bowled over [TS]

◼   ► you know you hear stories that that in [TS]

◼   ► the in Mexican culture and Latino [TS]

◼   ► culture that the role of the father the [TS]

◼   ► idea of the family is very strong but [TS]

◼   ► had never experienced it so profoundly [TS]

◼   ► as i did today [TS]

◼   ► walking walking carrying a little girl I [TS]

◼   ► felt like I would have felt like I was [TS]

◼   ► walking through a receiving line I [TS]

◼   ► almost high-fived everybody with your [TS]

◼   ► free hand and it was so them and the [TS]

◼   ► thing is they weren't like looking at [TS]

◼   ► her like oh what a cute girl like a lot [TS]

◼   ► of like you know kind of the volvo set [TS]

◼   ► would they glanced at her and then they [TS]

◼   ► looked at me and were like hey man how's [TS]

◼   ► it going dad and I just I felt like yeah [TS]

◼   ► I'm a dad [TS]

◼   ► hey what's up I'm a dad and that is a [TS]

◼   ► that is a that's a nice thing that's i'm [TS]

◼   ► a member of the community I'm known as [TS]

◼   ► the guys that that we know in neutral [TS]

◼   ► way never would have given you a second [TS]

◼   ► look before yeah we would have all just [TS]

◼   ► kind of been like not supposed to be [TS]

◼   ► talking is that you know if that if they [TS]

◼   ► would have looked up from their food but [TS]

◼   ► the fact that i had this little girl [TS]

◼   ► like big they turned one after the other [TS]

◼   ► turned from their food and gave me like [TS]

◼   ► a really human genuine like greeting of [TS]

◼   ► happy face and I was like wow it's like [TS]

◼   ► you're part of the fraternity now it is [TS]

◼   ► like I yeah it's like i'm a i'm a i'm a [TS]

◼   ► i'm a fully grown adults it took me all [TS]

◼   ► these years but now I I'm initiated into [TS]

◼   ► it's like it's like when you first grow [TS]

◼   ► a mustache and go to Turkey who you [TS]

◼   ► realize oh outside of America every [TS]

◼   ► grown man in the world is wearing a [TS]

◼   ► mustache like if you get from basically [TS]

◼   ► from Bucharest all the way to China [TS]

◼   ► every single man in that area has a [TS]

◼   ► mustache and then in china again we go [TS]

◼   ► back to a mustache 'less world [TS]

◼   ► butBut from Bucharest to say [TS]

◼   ► islamabad it's it's almost ashes all the [TS]

◼   ► way down and you feel like you know when [TS]

◼   ► you go to those places are like oh shit [TS]

◼   ► right you did hehe you can grow [TS]

◼   ► moustache and you do thats they probably [TS]

◼   ► invented the mustache but yeah I'm sure [TS]

◼   ► they did you think about how cultures [TS]

◼   ► work in you know places where you can [TS]

◼   ► grow corn you're likely to discover corn [TS]

◼   ► and then make stuff out of corn and you [TS]

◼   ► become like you know the corn place and [TS]

◼   ► this place those that from the age of [TS]

◼   ► like six most of those guys can grow [TS]

◼   ► mustaches right and then some of the [TS]

◼   ► ladies probably all their older brothers [TS]

◼   ► have mustaches and their grandfathers [TS]

◼   ► have big flourishing white mustaches so [TS]

◼   ► I felt a little bit like that I felt [TS]

◼   ► like I I was I had a mustache in the [TS]

◼   ► form of a baby [TS]

◼   ► well we had a very strange thing [TS]

◼   ► happened when I don my own wife got [TS]

◼   ► pregnant where you know let's speak in [TS]

◼   ► code you know my neighborhood I couldn't [TS]

◼   ► get the guy who runs of Civil War ghosts [TS]

◼   ► that's its triple you've seen him but [TS]

◼   ► like I have not in the almost 14 years [TS]

◼   ► I've lived here now I just got used to [TS]

◼   ► the fact that nobody looks at you [TS]

◼   ► nobody pays attention to you and the [TS]

◼   ► people in my neighborhood just have a [TS]

◼   ► completely different sense of how to [TS]

◼   ► operate in public and I'm accustomed to [TS]

◼   ► write about not just the not just the [TS]

◼   ► ethnic ethnic component but also at San [TS]

◼   ► Francisco and if you could look at [TS]

◼   ► somebody they may throw feces at well [TS]

◼   ► it's a pretty friendly town but i live [TS]

◼   ► in what is categorically the most [TS]

◼   ► conservative district and in all of San [TS]

◼   ► Francisco it is mostly people from China [TS]

◼   ► some people from the mines mostly people [TS]

◼   ► you know first second generation people [TS]

◼   ► from China simulation environment and [TS]

◼   ► first-hand first and second-generation [TS]

◼   ► people from Ireland only enough but a [TS]

◼   ► funny thing happened like I told you I [TS]

◼   ► used to this chinese place three times a [TS]

◼   ► week and the guy would not say anything [TS]

◼   ► to me he would not suggest anything off [TS]

◼   ► the menu [TS]

◼   ► nothing nobody looks at you everybody on [TS]

◼   ► on public trans just closes their eyes [TS]

◼   ► it's a completely insular world must by [TS]

◼   ► and large I like all of that crazy thing [TS]

◼   ► happened my wife got pregnant and we [TS]

◼   ► will go on public transit [TS]

◼   ► and everybody's face especially the old [TS]

◼   ► Chinese ladies their eyes would just [TS]

◼   ► light up and these people who never [TS]

◼   ► spoken a word to either of us in years [TS]

◼   ► we're certainly not only like smiling at [TS]

◼   ► us not only walking up to us [TS]

◼   ► can I just say old Chinese guy thing to [TS]

◼   ► do touch the ladies time without asking [TS]

◼   ► oh just walk up agency book if you're [TS]

◼   ► pregnant lady you're basically open [TS]

◼   ► source your open-source woman people [TS]

◼   ► just walk up and start touching and the [TS]

◼   ► same street today like we go to the zoo [TS]

◼   ► you know take me out very small amount [TS]

◼   ► of town that's left to the west of where [TS]

◼   ► I am i all on the white people are [TS]

◼   ► people are smiling and and you know just [TS]

◼   ► asking questions like how old are you [TS]

◼   ► interesting they're asking you how old [TS]

◼   ► you were let's have a big plan strong [TS]

◼   ► you know that's very similar to the [TS]

◼   ► experience that's the very very similar [TS]

◼   ► to the experience of having a successful [TS]

◼   ► band for the first time [TS]

◼   ► well I i really look forward to that for [TS]

◼   ► many years here in Seattle [TS]

◼   ► I what I I had you know I had a couple [TS]

◼   ► of bands the bun family players most [TS]

◼   ► notably three hours shower [TS]

◼   ► four out of five dentists the [TS]

◼   ► transnational z28 I had a lot of bands [TS]

◼   ► here and none of those bands were very [TS]

◼   ► popular but wasn't fun family players [TS]

◼   ► deliberately difficult in every [TS]

◼   ► community and every player's wasn't was [TS]

◼   ► intent was trying to be so was trying to [TS]

◼   ► be so smart that no one could like it [TS]

◼   ► like unfathomable yeah right and we and [TS]

◼   ► yet we developed we did develop a [TS]

◼   ► fanbase of people that that had that [TS]

◼   ► works that were broken inside but um [TS]

◼   ► during that time of course i was [TS]

◼   ► crossing paths with some of the same [TS]

◼   ► characters over and over right [TS]

◼   ► ken stringfellow being one of them are [TS]

◼   ► good friend Jason Finn another and both [TS]

◼   ► of those guys were were popular [TS]

◼   ► musicians that were in popular [TS]

◼   ► successful band categorically like major [TS]

◼   ► label popular bands of posies and [TS]

◼   ► presidents of the USA [TS]

◼   ► that's right amber and Jason before that [TS]

◼   ► he was in the president's he was in love [TS]

◼   ► that area which was a witch was a but [TS]

◼   ► not very good and spent but but still [TS]

◼   ► popular grunge band grunge era bandai [TS]

◼   ► say they weren't actually very grim g [TS]

◼   ► but so anyway I would I routinely see [TS]

◼   ► these guys I would see Jason every [TS]

◼   ► single day and I would see ken [TS]

◼   ► stringfellow you know that's not late at [TS]

◼   ► night belief that he would come out he'd [TS]

◼   ► come out and and to touch us and make us [TS]

◼   ► very cold but neither one of those guys [TS]

◼   ► ever acknowledge my existence and I've [TS]

◼   ► had this I've had this conversation with [TS]

◼   ► both the many times and they both deny [TS]

◼   ► or you know we're trying to rationalize [TS]

◼   ► or justify why it was that they never [TS]

◼   ► ever ever liked Jason would sit down at [TS]

◼   ► the same table i was sitting at and he [TS]

◼   ► was this way he would like move my beer [TS]

◼   ► glass so that it was out of his line of [TS]

◼   ► sight or whatever [TS]

◼   ► hey you just touched my glass and he was [TS]

◼   ► just kind of turn face the other way and [TS]

◼   ► talk to the girl that I had brought [TS]

◼   ► their as my date and uh and ken Ken [TS]

◼   ► would actually like draw blood from the [TS]

◼   ► girl that I was sitting next to and make [TS]

◼   ► her one of the undead and never look at [TS]

◼   ► me once and then one day i had i hadn't [TS]

◼   ► a band that was that that people liked [TS]

◼   ► the Western State hurricanes and we [TS]

◼   ► played our second or third show and I [TS]

◼   ► swear to you can Stringfellow just like [TS]

◼   ► a little Chinese man he didn't you tell [TS]

◼   ► me it came up in touch my tummy [TS]

◼   ► he came up and handed me his business [TS]

◼   ► card that was a black and be definitely [TS]

◼   ► or even close and he said hello like it [TS]

◼   ► you should give me a call let's hang out [TS]

◼   ► sometime as though we knew each other [TS]

◼   ► and I just didn't I just hadn't had his [TS]

◼   ► recent business card or whatever and [TS]

◼   ► Jason been even better came up put his [TS]

◼   ► arm around me was like John Roderick my [TS]

◼   ► good buddy my old pal like he knew i was [TS]

◼   ► actually sounded alarmingly like Jason [TS]

◼   ► that was really good [TS]

◼   ► thank you I've been practicing that but [TS]

◼   ► let's get the cake and didn't catch a [TS]

◼   ► really really you know vampiric [TS]

◼   ► tendencies is extremely smart guy is but [TS]

◼   ► he said he thought he could play it off [TS]

◼   ► legit that like this was your first [TS]

◼   ► meeting [TS]

◼   ► ok and Jason are bolts incredible wanted [TS]

◼   ► me to stay since last part but [TS]

◼   ► the fact that you could walk up to [TS]

◼   ► somebody you've seen for months or years [TS]

◼   ► and handling business card like it was [TS]

◼   ► the first time you met [TS]

◼   ► well the thing is in a way it was the [TS]

◼   ► first time we met that I've come to [TS]

◼   ► understand over the years that in fact [TS]

◼   ► before i had a successful band i did not [TS]

◼   ► exist there was no reason to know me and [TS]

◼   ► then there was a reason to know me and I [TS]

◼   ► did I was like it was like i [TS]

◼   ► materialized out of out of the like like [TS]

◼   ► what's the ghost army of a betrayer [TS]

◼   ► souls that live under the mountain in [TS]

◼   ► the return of the king the again [TS]

◼   ► whoever they are it's just re the the [TS]

◼   ► the Ghora who live under the mountain [TS]

◼   ► but um hey uh you know they materialize [TS]

◼   ► and then and then they become well and [TS]

◼   ► actually they stay did but that's about [TS]

◼   ► the perfect metaphor but I didn't stay [TS]

◼   ► dead but it was like I was undead and [TS]

◼   ► then became alive [TS]

◼   ► I think I know what you mean now because [TS]

◼   ► I i have a similar problem in that ID [TS]

◼   ► not I may be clever but i am not smart [TS]

◼   ► and my retention for things is terrible [TS]

◼   ► I've tried desperately over the years [TS]

◼   ► anal retention was fantastic you [TS]

◼   ► wouldn't know it looking at this desk [TS]

◼   ► buddy i haven't have invested my [TS]

◼   ► spider-woman months you know what i mean [TS]

◼   ► III but no but the problem is like I you [TS]

◼   ► know they say that old thing they used [TS]

◼   ► to say in advertising i have no way of [TS]

◼   ► knowing if this is true turns out that [TS]

◼   ► you have to hear an advertising message [TS]

◼   ► 13 times before and registers whatever [TS]

◼   ► that you know old saw is five [TS]

◼   ► impressions a five major impressions i [TS]

◼   ► have to meet somebody [TS]

◼   ► several times I mean and it's getting [TS]

◼   ► worse and worse and worse it takes more [TS]

◼   ► impressions and it isn't because I'm [TS]

◼   ► trying to be fancy [TS]

◼   ► it doesn't matter it's just what I [TS]

◼   ► remember I remember the face I I know [TS]

◼   ► I've said this before I remember the [TS]

◼   ► face of an extraordinary number of [TS]

◼   ► people people serve servers one time [TS]

◼   ► somebody at gas station somebody who is [TS]

◼   ► sitting next to me in a waiting room i [TS]

◼   ► will remember for years but there are [TS]

◼   ► people who i have online intercourse [TS]

◼   ► with that I that I talk too frequently [TS]

◼   ► all i know is they're fake twitter name [TS]

◼   ► and then I meet them and they go and i'm [TS]

◼   ► joe bob and I'm like hi [TS]

◼   ► haha like no I'm insipid Cupid Galactus [TS]

◼   ► 65000 you have the icon of that cartoon [TS]

◼   ► thing right now writes and writes but [TS]

◼   ► you know I really want to meet people I [TS]

◼   ► want them to have like a hello my name [TS]

◼   ► is with their stupid icon and they're [TS]

◼   ► fake internet name because it does take [TS]

◼   ► a lot and even in a place as relatively [TS]

◼   ► small and densely packed with talent as [TS]

◼   ► seattle it must be hard i mean in know [TS]

◼   ► in fairness to somebody like candles [TS]

◼   ► probably a lot of people who have come [TS]

◼   ► over the years and said hi expecting [TS]

◼   ► them to remember [TS]

◼   ► well I mean key to the stories that I've [TS]

◼   ► never once went up to him and said hi [TS]

◼   ► and all that time I was that I was [TS]

◼   ► standing there waiting for him to [TS]

◼   ► recognize me of course they never did [TS]

◼   ► until that David it [TS]

◼   ► how did you feel do you feel what was [TS]

◼   ► what if you were if you can put yourself [TS]

◼   ► take yourself back to those halcyon days [TS]

◼   ► what 98-99 what what did that feel like [TS]

◼   ► where you plant a brief moment where you [TS]

◼   ► get angrier i was a little bit and there [TS]

◼   ► was that there was the moment I was [TS]

◼   ► sitting at the bar the crocodile and [TS]

◼   ► that the the the old booking agent the [TS]

◼   ► crocodiles name is Christine who for [TS]

◼   ► years had required me to submit another [TS]

◼   ► cassette tape every time I wanted to [TS]

◼   ► book a show even though we had just [TS]

◼   ► played their week and a half before the [TS]

◼   ► problem process of tables with that she [TS]

◼   ► was like well you better send in a demo [TS]

◼   ► and I was like you have for my demos and [TS]

◼   ► she's like yeah better send another one [TS]

◼   ► and you could just you could just tell [TS]

◼   ► that she was she was taping over all the [TS]

◼   ► demo she got and putting you know [TS]

◼   ► putting built to spill records on them [TS]

◼   ► or whatever and probably selling the [TS]

◼   ► garage sales and so this gal like comes [TS]

◼   ► up to me sits down on the bar stool next [TS]

◼   ► to me at the bar and she goes John you [TS]

◼   ► know like very familiar [TS]

◼   ► let's talk about making the Western [TS]

◼   ► State hurricanes the house band at the [TS]

◼   ► crocodile where you don't play any other [TS]

◼   ► clubs in town you just play the crock [TS]

◼   ► and we make a thing where it's like the [TS]

◼   ► western state and the crocodile together [TS]

◼   ► forever and I was just like wow really [TS]

◼   ► seriously eight months ago [TS]

◼   ► you eight months ago I would call you on [TS]

◼   ► the phone and you would you told me to [TS]

◼   ► send you another tape after three years [TS]

◼   ► of sending you tapes and now you wanna [TS]

◼   ► do you want me to like pledge allegiance [TS]

◼   ► to this bar and I was mad I was mad [TS]

◼   ► until a little bit of time passed and I [TS]

◼   ► realize like no actually okay like this [TS]

◼   ► is how how it works [TS]

◼   ► it's how it works and I'm and I'm going [TS]

◼   ► I'm grateful that I made it I made it [TS]

◼   ► through the door to look back and see [TS]

◼   ► how that how it works and for a while [TS]

◼   ► then I then I was like trying to bring [TS]

◼   ► my friends with me through the door and [TS]

◼   ► I realized after a while you keep kind [TS]

◼   ► of couldn't do that either [TS]

◼   ► you know like everybody has to make it [TS]

◼   ► through the door unless I'm really [TS]

◼   ► that's a good way to put it [TS]

◼   ► it's um it's I I think I i have this you [TS]

◼   ► know me i had this personal loathing of [TS]

◼   ► people who are overtly trying to network [TS]

◼   ► or trying to have an effect familiarity [TS]

◼   ► that isn't really there or you know [TS]

◼   ► often at the same time trying to give [TS]

◼   ► you the equivalent of a casual resume of [TS]

◼   ► all the amazing things that they've done [TS]

◼   ► none of which are particularly amazing [TS]

◼   ► you are so hilarious when someone comes [TS]

◼   ► up to you at an event i think i'm not [TS]

◼   ► and effects out over-familiar ok now [TS]

◼   ► those people are not a nice to art so [TS]

◼   ► you're not gonna meet many nicer people [TS]

◼   ► that you when you meet them [TS]

◼   ► you're not going to me i'm just gonna [TS]

◼   ► say for myself I say this twice a year [TS]

◼   ► I'm a lot nicer than people would think [TS]

◼   ► oh no you're extremely nice but your I [TS]

◼   ► think you did there the one they're the [TS]

◼   ► person comes up to me and says hey I [TS]

◼   ► like that thing you do [TS]

◼   ► they're gonna be the one that's gonna be [TS]

◼   ► like back moving backwards toward the [TS]

◼   ► door after three hours now you're gonna [TS]

◼   ► have to wipe spooge on their face the [TS]

◼   ► whole time [TS]

◼   ► don't worry where we go we'll find [TS]

◼   ► something to talk about but you suffer [TS]

◼   ► fools maybe less than anyone i know is [TS]

◼   ► that a compliment and it really is i [TS]

◼   ► mean in the sense that let me just say [TS]

◼   ► let me just say this you are one of the [TS]

◼   ► rare people wear you wear when you go [TS]

◼   ► after somebody it the house that has [TS]

◼   ► come up to you and and and and played [TS]

◼   ► the play they're wrong car service when [TS]

◼   ► found one take [TS]

◼   ► when you go after somebody like you are [TS]

◼   ► one of the rare people that can actually [TS]

◼   ► make me uncomfortable as a buy-sell oh [TS]

◼   ► come on i mean because i am laughing [TS]

◼   ► just saying that to be nice and laughing [TS]

◼   ► inside and my name's i'm squirming in my [TS]

◼   ► chair like a little boy like all of a [TS]

◼   ► sudden my chair gets big and my don't [TS]

◼   ► touch the floor anymore and I'm like oh [TS]

◼   ► my God we're gonna make not as you [TS]

◼   ► proceed to because what you do is you [TS]

◼   ► you continue to lead them down the [TS]

◼   ► primrose path that they have paved a [TS]

◼   ► little ways like you often you often go [TS]

◼   ► oh hello and you effect a kind of like [TS]

◼   ► tell me more about your startup and you [TS]

◼   ► get them you get them a little bit out [TS]

◼   ► on the pier before you take the pilings [TS]

◼   ► away but I think the reason people did [TS]

◼   ► thank you so much that's the hugest [TS]

◼   ► compliment i've gotten all year [TS]

◼   ► that's if I'm going to be no that's [TS]

◼   ► that's what I'm okay with so good thank [TS]

◼   ► you everybody should see it once [TS]

◼   ► everybody in the world should see you [TS]

◼   ► like going places with you it's always [TS]

◼   ► takes time to pick someone out of the [TS]

◼   ► knees haha now maybe that giving my [TS]

◼   ► reality show i really want to go now i [TS]

◼   ► want to go to a tech conference with you [TS]

◼   ► oh no no you don't mind if I swear [TS]

◼   ► disguise I've learned i think one word [TS]

◼   ► Nick I forget where I learned a new word [TS]

◼   ► want renew or oh haha it's like a very [TS]

◼   ► day area thing like somebody who really [TS]

◼   ► it kind of considers themselves in an [TS]

◼   ► entrepreneur even though they have [TS]

◼   ► really done anything right [TS]

◼   ► but the reason I say that is first of [TS]

◼   ► all thank you but also that I think when [TS]

◼   ► you see that networking thing you see [TS]

◼   ► people who maybe read books or people [TS]

◼   ► who have tried to reverse engineer the [TS]

◼   ► process that you and I are sadly [TS]

◼   ► admitting to be as we say how things are [TS]

◼   ► and how things r is that you have to be [TS]

◼   ► out there and people have to see you and [TS]

◼   ► people have to go oh that's that one guy [TS]

◼   ► who either a nose this friend of mine [TS]

◼   ► this kind of famous or B does this thing [TS]

◼   ► i've heard of whether I like it or not [TS]

◼   ► or if you actually experienced it i've [TS]

◼   ► heard of it and i think that i think [TS]

◼   ► people try really really hard to do that [TS]

◼   ► and the thing is the irony is that's not [TS]

◼   ► at all hard to pull off once you've [TS]

◼   ► actually done that for once you actually [TS]

◼   ► know people you want to hopefully not be [TS]

◼   ► a dick about it but it's it's brutally [TS]

◼   ► painful to watch when it's not [TS]

◼   ► working and and but people keep doing it [TS]

◼   ► and I guess if you do it long enough you [TS]

◼   ► get kind of famous with somebody I not [TS]

◼   ► necessarily somebody very interesting [TS]

◼   ► but it's a terrible way to try and have [TS]

◼   ► an actual human connection with somebody [TS]

◼   ► it's a miserable way to try and make a [TS]

◼   ► friend [TS]

◼   ► well and I think I think what happens is [TS]

◼   ► people develop these alternate universe [TS]

◼   ► cultures where they are populated with [TS]

◼   ► people who have not actually done the [TS]

◼   ► work to get through the door on their [TS]

◼   ► own and you get you [TS]

◼   ► I mean you go to parties all the time [TS]

◼   ► where everybody there is a is in the [TS]

◼   ► music business if you ask them what they [TS]

◼   ► do and then as you you know as you [TS]

◼   ► circulate through the room you realize [TS]

◼   ► like oh no one here is in the music [TS]

◼   ► business [TS]

◼   ► everybody here is everybody there are [TS]

◼   ► some people who are being funded by [TS]

◼   ► their parents there are some people who [TS]

◼   ► are who are incredible networkers there [TS]

◼   ► are people here who have filled out a [TS]

◼   ► lot of online forms to win songwriting [TS]

◼   ► contests you know like a mountain music [TS]

◼   ► there's a whole there's a whole [TS]

◼   ► constellation of ways to join the music [TS]

◼   ► business and build up a whole wikipedia [TS]

◼   ► entry of all the songwriting contests [TS]

◼   ► you've won and none of it is really the [TS]

◼   ► music business and none of it is the [TS]

◼   ► work that you need to do to get through [TS]

◼   ► the door and I that I think the wanted [TS]

◼   ► preneur scene is probably a thousand [TS]

◼   ► times [TS]

◼   ► that's true of any thousand times more [TS]

◼   ► because you can write a book about [TS]

◼   ► entrepreneurship you can you can start [TS]

◼   ► 25 businesses that all that all fail or [TS]

◼   ► make you have a login a podcast about I [TS]

◼   ► mean I've certainly done it you can [TS]

◼   ► create you create this meta work in that [TS]

◼   ► case about like you know bridging the [TS]

◼   ► gap how to go from being a want ranaut [TS]

◼   ► to have been there preneur I i had i was [TS]

◼   ► lucky enough to have dinner with Paula [TS]

◼   ► Tompkins the other night here in Seattle [TS]

◼   ► and I had a similar conversation where I [TS]

◼   ► was where I caught myself being that [TS]

◼   ► the yo-yo because I you know I admire [TS]

◼   ► Paul just to make sure he recognizes who [TS]

◼   ► I am thing [TS]

◼   ► no it was that and this is a [TS]

◼   ► conversation I've had with Paula [TS]

◼   ► Tompkins before and I forgot that I had [TS]

◼   ► done it already and I did it again but [TS]

◼   ► he Paul after 30 years of doing stand-up [TS]

◼   ► since he was 12 years old has over the [TS]

◼   ► last several years transitioned his [TS]

◼   ► stand-up comedy into a more storytelling [TS]

◼   ► long-form kind of a format that I really [TS]

◼   ► identify with you know like I love to [TS]

◼   ► tell stories i have told stories for a [TS]

◼   ► long time and as he and as comedy in [TS]

◼   ► general like I see this more and more [TS]

◼   ► this format of like long-form stories [TS]

◼   ► that are that are humorous and have [TS]

◼   ► punch lines but they aren't it's not a [TS]

◼   ► string of jokes you know it's like [TS]

◼   ► stories from life that are meant to be [TS]

◼   ► both thought provoking and also very [TS]

◼   ► funny and so I identify with this style [TS]

◼   ► of comedy and i watch people like Paul [TS]

◼   ► do it and I think I make the classic I [TS]

◼   ► mean the primary error of saying I can [TS]

◼   ► do that and then I make the secondary [TS]

◼   ► error of saying I already do that like [TS]

◼   ► the 20 years that I've spent for 25 [TS]

◼   ► years I've spent so many people used to [TS]

◼   ► do this with stand-up where you go i [TS]

◼   ► consider myself a funny person and all [TS]

◼   ► my brothers if I have a date right think [TS]

◼   ► I'm funny [TS]

◼   ► therefore i'm probably already a [TS]

◼   ► stand-up I just need to get some [TS]

◼   ► bookings right [TS]

◼   ► not necessarily you but I mean I think [TS]

◼   ► that's a classic comedy pattern [TS]

◼   ► you have no idea how hard that business [TS]

◼   ► and that's exactly the mistake i was [TS]

◼   ► making and I'm talking to Paul and I'm [TS]

◼   ► like you know i I just I feel like I [TS]

◼   ► feel like I need to do the work i need [TS]

◼   ► to put in some work in you know crafting [TS]

◼   ► my stories so that I am able to really [TS]

◼   ► get up and do this do you know to [TS]

◼   ► storytelling as a for as a performance [TS]

◼   ► forum and Paul said well did you like [TS]

◼   ► comedy as a kid and i was like i loved [TS]

◼   ► it i mean that was all I did I I'd stay [TS]

◼   ► up late and watch the Carson show and I [TS]

◼   ► identified with comedians more than [TS]

◼   ► musicians and Paul said yeah me too [TS]

◼   ► in fact it's all I ever wanted to do and [TS]

◼   ► from the time I was 13 I have done [TS]

◼   ► nothing else and I was like right well I [TS]

◼   ► did a lot of other things a and he was [TS]

◼   ► like uh huh [TS]

◼   ► tell me more like well yeah I mean I did [TS]

◼   ► a lot of things that weren't that he's [TS]

◼   ► like exactly and it was you mean he and [TS]

◼   ► he wasn't really he wasn't hammering [TS]

◼   ► that point home [TS]

◼   ► it was aight i think he left himself he [TS]

◼   ► left enough air in the room for you to [TS]

◼   ► kind of breathe in on your own [TS]

◼   ► yeah that was that was my like right [TS]

◼   ► exactly right [TS]

◼   ► like there were and the thing is I feel [TS]

◼   ► this way about my music career to there [TS]

◼   ► were guys that from 12 years old all [TS]

◼   ► they wanted to do was play guitar and [TS]

◼   ► that's all they've done and they are [TS]

◼   ► better guitar players and i am by far [TS]

◼   ► and it's easy to see the work that [TS]

◼   ► they've done [TS]

◼   ► yeah but maybe they didn't get in the [TS]

◼   ► van that many times they need to get in [TS]

◼   ► the van to write but are all by way of [TS]

◼   ► saying like I can still fall into that [TS]

◼   ► trap of feeling like you know here's a [TS]

◼   ► guy who's doing a thing that I admire I [TS]

◼   ► also feel like I have a native gift for [TS]

◼   ► this and so therefore it's just some [TS]

◼   ► indeterminate amount of work that we can [TS]

◼   ► talk about later that I need to do [TS]

◼   ► between here and there and then I'll be [TS]

◼   ► right there and I'll be in the winner's [TS]

◼   ► circle and it's like me I type the idea [TS]

◼   ► all the time it's something I know is [TS]

◼   ► stupid i hate it when other people do it [TS]

◼   ► but i find myself when I talk to comic [TS]

◼   ► people that's how I'm some new comics [TS]

◼   ► I've never wanted intensely to write a [TS]

◼   ► comic I've never wanted intensely to get [TS]

◼   ► good at writing but now as i get older i [TS]

◼   ► appreciate the medium so much more than [TS]

◼   ► one talking to one of my comic you know [TS]

◼   ► writing heroes I'll say something like [TS]

◼   ► you know well you know I've kind of been [TS]

◼   ► picking up I got an idea for a superhero [TS]

◼   ► ya know it's even worse and i wish i [TS]

◼   ► wish i could go like I had this idea you [TS]

◼   ► know shaken up bottle of coke man or [TS]

◼   ► something i don't even have anything 0 [TS]

◼   ► man i hate you so much but you know that [TS]

◼   ► is that is the moon and that is the [TS]

◼   ► funny part i mean when you meet somebody [TS]

◼   ► it almost becomes an unconscious kind of [TS]

◼   ► a weird [TS]

◼   ► I'll speak for myself it can become a [TS]

◼   ► strange combination of trying to impress [TS]

◼   ► somebody [TS]

◼   ► combined with like trying to show how [TS]

◼   ► familiar you are with their work without [TS]

◼   ► sounding creepy combining with hoping [TS]

◼   ► for some kind of encouragement and [TS]

◼   ► indirect basically turning into career [TS]

◼   ► counseling in a bar where you're [TS]

◼   ► essentially asking them for the tips and [TS]

◼   ► tricks on how to become paul f tompkins [TS]

◼   ► well you know what [TS]

◼   ► good go beyond and go beyond the HBO [TS]

◼   ► show that almost got cancelled a budget [TS]

◼   ► well and I've heard many comics do this [TS]

◼   ► to other people who kind of come up and [TS]

◼   ► say like other the worst kind is common [TS]

◼   ► to the word that the one of the comics [TS]

◼   ► the worst the worst and and I've heard [TS]

◼   ► this over and over enough to know that [TS]

◼   ► this is like this is comic shorthand and [TS]

◼   ► they've been and it's kind of brilliant [TS]

◼   ► because all comics have have shared this [TS]

◼   ► line with each other where they look at [TS]

◼   ► the person may go [TS]

◼   ► ok sounds like things are grouped going [TS]

◼   ► good for you [TS]

◼   ► now you just need to do it for 10 years [TS]

◼   ► and then they like you know go cheers [TS]

◼   ► with their beer bottle and they turn [TS]

◼   ► back and rejoin their conversation and [TS]

◼   ► it's a it's a relatively polite but [TS]

◼   ► chilly enough way to say we're not [TS]

◼   ► having a serious conversation here are [TS]

◼   ► we right and and talking to the comics [TS]

◼   ► that I know every one of them really [TS]

◼   ► does believe like at ten years of doing [TS]

◼   ► stand-up every night for 10 years and [TS]

◼   ► that's not ten years from the time you [TS]

◼   ► first did stand-up and high in high [TS]

◼   ► school and the and the present but 10 [TS]

◼   ► straight years of doing stand-up you can [TS]

◼   ► come up to me and we'll talk about [TS]

◼   ► stand-up comedy [TS]

◼   ► and in in that case I will probably [TS]

◼   ► already know who you are so we want [TS]

◼   ► right so it won't have to be like you [TS]

◼   ► telling me all the standard having this [TS]

◼   ► same conversation that I i find myself [TS]

◼   ► stuck in six times a month [TS]

◼   ► well I have this upsetting my other fake [TS]

◼   ► career as a Productivity self-help [TS]

◼   ► retired productivity guru I'm obsessed [TS]

◼   ► with that idea of expertise and why it [TS]

◼   ► is that the 70 or 80 year old butcher [TS]

◼   ► knows this weighs a pound this roast [TS]

◼   ► beef but you can't tell you why i'm very [TS]

◼   ► interested in that idea and I think the [TS]

◼   ► same thing happens I mean you so you [TS]

◼   ► people not necessarily you but most of [TS]

◼   ► us I think nothing of walking up to Matt [TS]

◼   ► Fraction going [TS]

◼   ► how'd you get security context like what [TS]

◼   ► I have been obsessed since as a child [TS]

◼   ► and I work incredibly hard you would [TS]

◼   ► never walk up dramatically never got to [TS]

◼   ► an oncologist and going man pretty sweet [TS]

◼   ► gig [TS]

◼   ► yes what's the trick how'd you get into [TS]

◼   ► talking followed now I know you're [TS]

◼   ► really smart in medical school but like [TS]

◼   ► what and he studied like everybody else [TS]

◼   ► wanna find you study your biology stuff [TS]

◼   ► and I school whatever what's the trick [TS]

◼   ► yeah what's the trick I being an [TS]

◼   ► oncologist what he wanted to let you [TS]

◼   ► know this stuff already like I read a [TS]

◼   ► couple of of medical uh thrillers [TS]

◼   ► seriously seriously seriously just tell [TS]

◼   ► you man like i had like this is just [TS]

◼   ► like really seriously my mom have [TS]

◼   ► fucking cancer [TS]

◼   ► ok it's like I feel like I'm already [TS]

◼   ► really close to this and something I [TS]

◼   ► just really passionate about so i used [TS]

◼   ► to love dr. Quinn Medicine and cheated a [TS]

◼   ► lot of amazing matters when you realize [TS]

◼   ► you you actually like course it's more [TS]

◼   ► than medicine that's that's what you [TS]

◼   ► should be studying is course it's well [TS]

◼   ► and so curiously for me now here's that [TS]

◼   ► if this is and this is partly a problem [TS]

◼   ► of being a generalist right because when [TS]

◼   ► somebody says to me i've been i love to [TS]

◼   ► do this and I've been doing nothing but [TS]

◼   ► this since I was 13 years old and I go [TS]

◼   ► right and what have I been doing since I [TS]

◼   ► was 13 years old i have here we go [TS]

◼   ► you know I'll I've been doing a lot of [TS]

◼   ► well I did a lot of pot smoking john III [TS]

◼   ► know this story I've heard this story [TS]

◼   ► i'm glad you did all of those things I'm [TS]

◼   ► glad you're who you are you special [TS]

◼   ► little motherfucker I'm glad you're here [TS]

◼   ► and I'm glad you're fucked up you and [TS]

◼   ► that's all I'm gonna say about that but [TS]

◼   ► so the other day I met [TS]

◼   ► that another party right yeah it's one [TS]

◼   ► of these parties like that i find myself [TS]

◼   ► going to more and more and also I didn't [TS]

◼   ► tell you this but I got I got roped in [TS]

◼   ► to a imbroglio the the music and [TS]

◼   ► nightlife community in seattle which is [TS]

◼   ► in which by which i mean like the local [TS]

◼   ► club owners and bar owners a group of [TS]

◼   ► them got together and held a press [TS]

◼   ► conference where they endorsed the [TS]

◼   ► challenger in the mayoral race and my [TS]

◼   ► phone rang I was sitting here at my [TS]

◼   ► computer making a song for Joseph [TS]

◼   ► scrimshaw long story my phone rings and [TS]

◼   ► i made the classic error of answering it [TS]

◼   ► because I was because I'm remortgaging [TS]

◼   ► my house and there was a lot going on [TS]

◼   ► that day and the phone rang and it was a [TS]

◼   ► number i didn't recognize and I was like [TS]

◼   ► oh shit I ok i'll answer and I answered [TS]

◼   ► it and it was someone from the mayor's [TS]

◼   ► office and they said the club owners the [TS]

◼   ► downtown rock club owners are having a [TS]

◼   ► press conference right now and they're [TS]

◼   ► endorsing the opponent and I was like oh [TS]

◼   ► cheese and they said we need you to have [TS]

◼   ► a press conference [TS]

◼   ► what and I said love me I'm busy [TS]

◼   ► I'm super busy today and they were like [TS]

◼   ► yeah we need you to have a press [TS]

◼   ► conference right now where are you [TS]

◼   ► you're shitting me i was like i'm at my [TS]

◼   ► house but i'm going to a i'm going [TS]

◼   ► downtown in a minute and they were like [TS]

◼   ► great tell us where you are and a half [TS]

◼   ► an hour and so I was downtown and they [TS]

◼   ► called me again and they were like where [TS]

◼   ► are you and I said I'm standing in front [TS]

◼   ► of those far and they're like stay there [TS]

◼   ► and five minutes later a news van drives [TS]

◼   ► up and I'm standing there like going [TS]

◼   ► what is WTF news van drives up [TS]

◼   ► look lady see if hilly yeah right it was [TS]

◼   ► the WTF it was Cairo and and a guy jumps [TS]

◼   ► out in a certain time a cameraman and [TS]

◼   ► they have a [TS]

◼   ► big puffy microphone and they get some [TS]

◼   ► b-roll of of the reporter and me walking [TS]

◼   ► up and down the sidewalk a few times [TS]

◼   ► like engaged in conversation and then [TS]

◼   ► they interviewed me about like how do [TS]

◼   ► you feel about this group of club owners [TS]

◼   ► and the music business people endorsing [TS]

◼   ► the opponent and I'm like I i feel like [TS]

◼   ► the mayor's doing a great job and you [TS]

◼   ► know when I gave like I gave a kind of [TS]

◼   ► like there's there are no losers in this [TS]

◼   ► election both candidates are amazing and [TS]

◼   ► i think the mayor is has been great for [TS]

◼   ► the local music community and I like him [TS]

◼   ► personally I think he's a good they [TS]

◼   ► could dude so the club owners are don't [TS]

◼   ► speak for all of us and they're like [TS]

◼   ► thanks and they jumped in the van and 45 [TS]

◼   ► minutes later it was on the evening news [TS]

◼   ► so was it how was it how is it frame i [TS]

◼   ► mean least in my experience when you [TS]

◼   ► interview there waiting for you to say [TS]

◼   ► one particular line that they can ya [TS]

◼   ► used to underscore some things they made [TS]

◼   ► up [TS]

◼   ► yeah that's what it was it was like it [TS]

◼   ► was like a bunch of a bunch of music [TS]

◼   ► industry people endorse the opponent [TS]

◼   ► today and they they flip to this panel [TS]

◼   ► of 20 people that I know who are all [TS]

◼   ► sitting around the the Challenger whose [TS]

◼   ► name is Eddie Murray and they're like we [TS]

◼   ► just don't think the mayor's doing a [TS]

◼   ► good enough job and it kind of the [TS]

◼   ► camera pans around and they talk about [TS]

◼   ► it for a minute or so and then the then [TS]

◼   ► the voiceover says but not everybody in [TS]

◼   ► the music community feels like the [TS]

◼   ► mayor's doing a bad job and then it cuts [TS]

◼   ► to me walking down the sidewalk having a [TS]

◼   ► pretend conversation with the reporter [TS]

◼   ► we found we found local and full picnic [TS]

◼   ► and Roderick standing in front of a ball [TS]

◼   ► or yeah they said local homeless person [TS]

◼   ► look alike [TS]

◼   ► rock musician from the long winters John [TS]

◼   ► Roderick says the mayor's doing a fine [TS]

◼   ► job and then then I guess when I say I [TS]

◼   ► think they're doing a fuck [TS]

◼   ► back to you Tom back to you Tom right [TS]

◼   ► and and so so the following night i'm at [TS]

◼   ► a party and the mayor is there and a lot [TS]

◼   ► of his [TS]

◼   ► campaign people are there and we're [TS]

◼   ► having a lot of that you know the mirror [TS]

◼   ► and I have a little 10-minute long like [TS]

◼   ► little huddle we're talking about [TS]

◼   ► talking about the day and talking about [TS]

◼   ► you know his feelings are hurt that the [TS]

◼   ► that the music business is endorsing his [TS]

◼   ► opponent and I think rightfully so and [TS]

◼   ► he's you know he's also like he's [TS]

◼   ► campaigning hard right now he's behind [TS]

◼   ► in the polls but then his staff starts [TS]

◼   ► you know kinda coming around and I have [TS]

◼   ► a have a couple of conversations with [TS]

◼   ► people where they're patting me on the [TS]

◼   ► back like thank you for that thank you [TS]

◼   ► for having that press conference and [TS]

◼   ► then two separate occasions the person [TS]

◼   ► leaned in [TS]

◼   ► you know this is like the mayor's chief [TS]

◼   ► of staff and then his head his campaign [TS]

◼   ► head clean and they go when we can when [TS]

◼   ► we going to get you on the City Council [TS]

◼   ► God and you gotta get away John you [TS]

◼   ► gotta get away that and I was like wow [TS]

◼   ► wow wow [TS]

◼   ► and all afternoon and all evening and [TS]

◼   ► all the next day actually all the day [TS]

◼   ► after that your virginal what's going to [TS]

◼   ► be painted in gold on your door [TS]

◼   ► I walked around conducting my campaign [TS]

◼   ► by imaginarium you know like like this [TS]

◼   ► just generally like looking at the arc [TS]

◼   ► of the of the campaign maybe some you [TS]

◼   ► know some brochures with some pictures [TS]

◼   ► of me walking through a park with my [TS]

◼   ► family at my out-of-wedlock child and [TS]

◼   ► you know and then pictured myself kind [TS]

◼   ► of going door-to-door in my neighborhood [TS]

◼   ► and shots fired say you know [TS]

◼   ► hi ru I'm i live in this neighborhood [TS]

◼   ► with you and that guy you got your treat [TS]

◼   ► and I'm running for office you might [TS]

◼   ► have seen me in the in your yard in a [TS]

◼   ► bathroom with the sword at some time [TS]

◼   ► recently chasing the neighbor's dog but [TS]

◼   ► now i'm running for the City Council and [TS]

◼   ► i feel like uh together we can rid the [TS]

◼   ► neighborhood of [TS]

◼   ► stray dogs and loud stereos weekend but [TS]

◼   ► we can bet we can improve all of the [TS]

◼   ► guard towers that I have been erecting [TS]

◼   ► in the forests that's exciting John so [TS]

◼   ► but but again but I so again I'm drawn [TS]

◼   ► to this question like there are people [TS]

◼   ► in public office in city government and [TS]

◼   ► in nonprofits who have done nothing else [TS]

◼   ► since they were you know these are the [TS]

◼   ► people that were like Reese Witherspoon [TS]

◼   ► in in election in high school and [TS]

◼   ► they've just reached Witherspoon to [TS]

◼   ► themselves all the way until they get [TS]

◼   ► elected to something and then pretty [TS]

◼   ► soon they make it to Washington and then [TS]

◼   ► pretty soon they are Condoleezza Rice [TS]

◼   ► and again i am i am the consummate [TS]

◼   ► generalist and i'm standing in this [TS]

◼   ► situation sort of like hey when are we [TS]

◼   ► going to get you on the City Council and [TS]

◼   ► I'm thinking yes let's get me on the [TS]

◼   ► City Council in the hit the same way [TS]

◼   ► that when when my frat brothers say you [TS]

◼   ► should be a stand-up I'm like yes I [TS]

◼   ► should be a stand-up are you kidding but [TS]

◼   ► in fact i don't know if i would be good [TS]

◼   ► at that at all i don't know anything [TS]

◼   ► about that world I imagine there are a [TS]

◼   ► lot of PowerPoint demonstrations I [TS]

◼   ► imagine there are a lot of meetings [TS]

◼   ► where you could potentially despise [TS]

◼   ► every single person in the room [TS]

◼   ► including you [TS]

◼   ► yeah right where I'm sitting behind the [TS]

◼   ► desk and I'm listening to somebody [TS]

◼   ► you're sitting at your sitting in a [TS]

◼   ► microphone is being shot for for local [TS]

◼   ► cable TV that's right and somebody's [TS]

◼   ► somebody's on there talking about like [TS]

◼   ► how the shade of their mailbox should be [TS]

◼   ► acceptable right or somebody's yelling [TS]

◼   ► at me about the about the who gets the [TS]

◼   ► rights to the gooey ducks in the title [TS]

◼   ► waters around the you know around their [TS]

◼   ► boat dock and that's a that's a [TS]

◼   ► Northwest reference that are expected [TS]

◼   ► that sounds like what I don't know any [TS]

◼   ► that means but I have to guess that [TS]

◼   ► would be easily one of the most [TS]

◼   ► interesting conversation she would ever [TS]

◼   ► have one yeah you're absolutely right [TS]

◼   ► you're absolutely right it was it is [TS]

◼   ► more [TS]

◼   ► it is more a question of somebody [TS]

◼   ► yelling at me because the taco bus that [TS]

◼   ► I go to does not have a wheelchair [TS]

◼   ► access [TS]

◼   ► I was just going to say I was going to [TS]

◼   ► guess that it could be stuff like like [TS]

◼   ► here's a big dust-up about food trucks [TS]

◼   ► and where they could be in the [TS]

◼   ► restaurant owners associations whatever [TS]

◼   ► got together to try [TS]

◼   ► that's the kind of thing is and that's [TS]

◼   ► that's I don't want to read because I'm [TS]

◼   ► much questions particular thread bit [TS]

◼   ► could you if you can if you choose to [TS]

◼   ► could you briefly say what it is that [TS]

◼   ► the bar owners and club owners are [TS]

◼   ► theoretically so unhappy with it sounds [TS]

◼   ► like a jamup John it's a little bit of a [TS]

◼   ► jam important I mean both candidates for [TS]

◼   ► Seattle City Mayor are incredibly [TS]

◼   ► progressive liberal uh up candidates and [TS]

◼   ► like there's there there are no losers [TS]

◼   ► here [TS]

◼   ► the difference is that one that the head [TS]

◼   ► marie i think is a liberal in the kind [TS]

◼   ► of classic Northwest mode he knows how [TS]

◼   ► to get things done by putting a group of [TS]

◼   ► people together in a room and reaching a [TS]

◼   ► solution together and he knows how to [TS]

◼   ► come out and announce the solution where [TS]

◼   ► he gives the credit to everybody that [TS]

◼   ► was on the panel and everybody feels [TS]

◼   ► good and they go do their part of the [TS]

◼   ► solution or they presumably go do their [TS]

◼   ► part of the solution [TS]

◼   ► feeling validated and the mayor quite [TS]

◼   ► honestly is somebody that sometimes [TS]

◼   ► struggles to get a group of people to [TS]

◼   ► agree where everybody leaves the meeting [TS]

◼   ► feeling really good about themselves [TS]

◼   ► the mayor is more of these a little bit [TS]

◼   ► more imperial and a little bit as a [TS]

◼   ► tendency to say here's how it's going to [TS]

◼   ► go here's the right course of action [TS]

◼   ► either get in line or go fuck yourself [TS]

◼   ► and kept in by seattle standards it's a [TS]

◼   ► little bit it's a little tough you know [TS]

◼   ► it's a little bit tough love and and [TS]

◼   ► there have been a couple of pretty [TS]

◼   ► there have been a couple of instances [TS]

◼   ► where a thing failed because the mayor [TS]

◼   ► couldn't get people to he couldn't even [TS]

◼   ► drawn of happy faces on it right like [TS]

◼   ► the thing was clearly what needed to [TS]

◼   ► happen and everybody just needed to shut [TS]

◼   ► up and do it but in the end a key person [TS]

◼   ► withheld their vote and if you talk to [TS]

◼   ► them about it in private they would say [TS]

◼   ► ya i withheld my vote you know why [TS]

◼   ► because fuck that guy who and it's like [TS]

◼   ► oh right oof [TS]

◼   ► you cannot you can but the Imperial [TS]

◼   ► method does not work in seattle / [TS]

◼   ► especially because we have a strong City [TS]

◼   ► Council and a week may or ality so the [TS]

◼   ► City Council you know you really have to [TS]

◼   ► like Greece those guys and gals it's [TS]

◼   ► less popular degrees the gals you have [TS]

◼   ► to you know you have to like be a [TS]

◼   ► coalition builder right and so the about [TS]

◼   ► but honestly I feel like the music the [TS]

◼   ► music crowd that threw their weight [TS]

◼   ► behind the Challenger was more doing it [TS]

◼   ► because [TS]

◼   ► twenty years ago nobody gave off fuck [TS]

◼   ► about the club owners and the music [TS]

◼   ► business i would say in fact that the [TS]

◼   ► city of seattle was actually so hostile [TS]

◼   ► to the rock scene for so many years it [TS]

◼   ► was the worst to finally have a mayoral [TS]

◼   ► office that comes to rock shows and it [TS]

◼   ► knows musicians by name you know the [TS]

◼   ► temperature is the temperature the city [TS]

◼   ► has changed under the beginning [TS]

◼   ► ministration since John Rutter ah can't [TS]

◼   ► find the video i guess the video is this [TS]

◼   ► here in this but I look at that Scarlett [TS]

◼   ► Johansson is the sexiest woman alive [TS]

◼   ► uh-huh I what I don't mind so much from [TS]

◼   ► Cairo tv.com but I feel like what [TS]

◼   ► happened was these music business people [TS]

◼   ► finally got a mayor that treated them [TS]

◼   ► with respect and they started to feel [TS]

◼   ► like as a group together they actually [TS]

◼   ► had political power [TS]

◼   ► you know like that for the first time [TS]

◼   ► people were listening to them but who [TS]

◼   ► and the Challenger was courting their [TS]

◼   ► affections like they'd be they have [TS]

◼   ► become and partly this is that all of [TS]

◼   ► the people involved have grown up and [TS]

◼   ► they're all now 48 years old and there [TS]

◼   ► they own respectable businesses and they [TS]

◼   ► have they built a little cub all right [TS]

◼   ► so how much is that how much political [TS]

◼   ► power is that if they continue to work [TS]

◼   ► with this mayor that they kind of that [TS]

◼   ► they can came up with versus what if [TS]

◼   ► they take their ball and go play with [TS]

◼   ► the other guy and as a group I think [TS]

◼   ► they can move to the other candidate and [TS]

◼   ► have ants and appear to have more power [TS]

◼   ► more authority in in them in the [TS]

◼   ► movement you know what are the only i'm [TS]

◼   ► i'm a dummy what what are they were the [TS]

◼   ► nightclubs Seattle not getting from [TS]

◼   ► their mayor of these days right [TS]

◼   ► precisely Katniss absolutely there will [TS]

◼   ► be no difference between the two [TS]

◼   ► candidates there is no different than [TS]

◼   ► probably got nothing to lose if it's at [TS]

◼   ► it's a tight ish race and somebody [TS]

◼   ► offers them something you know on the [TS]

◼   ► strength you know worst-case scenario [TS]

◼   ► that guy loses they still got what they [TS]

◼   ► had before but this there they could be [TS]

◼   ► you know promise whatever and now or [TS]

◼   ► they can just they can feel like okay [TS]

◼   ► now you know that [TS]

◼   ► their group gets as their group gets [TS]

◼   ► tighter and and acts as a at acts as a [TS]

◼   ► another conscience in the city [TS]

◼   ► government right they become another [TS]

◼   ► group of concerned business owners and [TS]

◼   ► and typically that could typically [TS]

◼   ► rock-and-roll people are pretty [TS]

◼   ► progressive in their politics so it's [TS]

◼   ► another group of people that have a have [TS]

◼   ► a nice combination of their cool right [TS]

◼   ► they look cool and they do cool things [TS]

◼   ► and they are also very progressive and [TS]

◼   ► very thoughtful who [TS]

◼   ► so normally when when there's a press [TS]

◼   ► conference and it's like some downtown [TS]

◼   ► business owners have a problem with the [TS]

◼   ► mayor [TS]

◼   ► it turns out that they are angry about [TS]

◼   ► taxes or they're angry about parking or [TS]

◼   ► they're angry about zoning you know [TS]

◼   ► they're angry about some some not in my [TS]

◼   ► backyard a business owner bullshit right [TS]

◼   ► but this group of club owners and rock [TS]

◼   ► people is actually kind of making a play [TS]

◼   ► to be to be conscientious and say like [TS]

◼   ► we're concerned about the the way the [TS]

◼   ► city does business we're concerned about [TS]

◼   ► the way the mayor treats the you know [TS]

◼   ► the kids the way the police department [TS]

◼   ► enforces the laws like that it that this [TS]

◼   ► group is actually trying to be trying to [TS]

◼   ► have a wide-ranging effect it's a it's [TS]

◼   ► it's actually astonishing and cool um [TS]

◼   ► but i but I feel like it's my mom once [TS]

◼   ► told me a story about her life in [TS]

◼   ► corporate America and she said I had to [TS]

◼   ► I had to confront the fact that over [TS]

◼   ► time I realized when I walked into a [TS]

◼   ► meeting my feeling was either that i was [TS]

◼   ► going to lead the meeting or I was going [TS]

◼   ► to be the gadfly and those were the only [TS]

◼   ► two roles for me in a in a meeting i was [TS]

◼   ► never ever going to just sit and be one [TS]

◼   ► of 20 people in a meeting [TS]

◼   ► I was either going to try and take the [TS]

◼   ► meeting over or if I couldn't then I was [TS]

◼   ► going to be the one that that kept [TS]

◼   ► bringing up the problems can bring up a [TS]

◼   ► problem with the plan and she was like I [TS]

◼   ► i I'd recognize that meetings were bad [TS]

◼   ► that we're kind of a bad place for me [TS]

◼   ► and she was telling me this story I [TS]

◼   ► kinda I I recognize that in myself like [TS]

◼   ► either i'm going to lead the meeting or [TS]

◼   ► I'm gonna be the one with his feet up on [TS]

◼   ► the desk chewing bubblegum and saying [TS]

◼   ► that's never going to work and it's a [TS]

◼   ► kind of its a maybe a personality flaw [TS]

◼   ► right to not be if if if you if you do [TS]

◼   ► not end up leading the meeting but but [TS]

◼   ► cannot just sit and be a part of the [TS]

◼   ► meeting [TS]

◼   ► that's a that is a that's a tendency to [TS]

◼   ► know and we what you would have to have [TS]

◼   ► that if you got this city council gig I [TS]

◼   ► feel like my role in the City Council go [TS]

◼   ► watch TV is John oh my god it's so [TS]

◼   ► boring but I feel like it's it's a me [TS]

◼   ► it's some of that is the static camera [TS]

◼   ► angle you know if they had more dynamic [TS]

◼   ► feel like three cameras set up or [TS]

◼   ► different set aside a verte like a Roman [TS]

◼   ► guile and steady cam better effects and [TS]

◼   ► better lighting to the city council [TS]

◼   ► meetings are lit so I feel like everyone [TS]

◼   ► looks like hepatitis but I feel like I [TS]

◼   ► would be I would be elected on a [TS]

◼   ► platform of like a on a cool dad [TS]

◼   ► platform [TS]

◼   ► oh right like rock-and-roll dad platform [TS]

◼   ► and so every city council meeting right [TS]

◼   ► needs one council member whose ties a [TS]

◼   ► little bit askew whose hair is a little [TS]

◼   ► bit must please forward everyone silence [TS]

◼   ► says are we really talking about this [TS]

◼   ► still Scalia yeah i would be I'd be this [TS]

◼   ► well yeah at least we are protected the [TS]

◼   ► get you would in fact be the gadflies [TS]

◼   ► what I'm cid Booker you be the one who [TS]

◼   ► I'd be booger from Booker Booker from [TS]

◼   ► from revenge of the nerds [TS]

◼   ► uh yeah did you not see revenge of the [TS]

◼   ► nerds ever seen [TS]

◼   ► not now come on we got the old cruise [TS]

◼   ► control set on 35 son again added to the [TS]

◼   ► list [TS]

◼   ► I just I might and I like the cool dad [TS]

◼   ► platform because i think you could rock [TS]

◼   ► that shit right [TS]

◼   ► yes right and then I'm betting Mike city [TS]

◼   ► council member atlarge because you never [TS]

◼   ► you never wear a suit but you also know [TS]

◼   ► you never wear a standard like a Brooks [TS]

◼   ► Brothers suit but she also never wear [TS]

◼   ► patagonia know right see I'm somewhere [TS]

◼   ► I'm like you know my first or dad I've [TS]

◼   ► gotta gotta gotta gotta love a Pendleton [TS]

◼   ► jacket that was in a free pile and I've [TS]

◼   ► got the cost and white tennis shoes [TS]

◼   ► yes got some filson Wilson you get paid [TS]

◼   ► and pink pants with whale and yeah I've [TS]

◼   ► been at I that that was like somebody's [TS]

◼   ► club tire my dad's quite productive [TS]

◼   ► exchange contracts illustrates that [TS]

◼   ► right celebrates his fifth term on the [TS]

◼   ► City Council and is that we really doing [TS]

◼   ► this right that's it with that you know [TS]

◼   ► what that's a freebie that's your slogan [TS]

◼   ► John Rother for City Council are we [TS]

◼   ► really do we really doing this [TS]

◼   ► we're really doing this and so also [TS]

◼   ► basically although i would be elected [TS]

◼   ► initially to represent one neighborhood [TS]

◼   ► as time went on all all cool dads [TS]

◼   ► throughout the town would realize that I [TS]

◼   ► was their representative [TS]

◼   ► well you're gonna have keys to stop and [TS]

◼   ► you're going to the phone numbers of [TS]

◼   ► people you're going to be able in what [TS]

◼   ► the thing is you could get in there and [TS]

◼   ► be being a kind of the Trojan horse [TS]

◼   ► attrition John you get in there and you [TS]

◼   ► would be able to insinuate yourself in [TS]

◼   ► small ways to political favors for [TS]

◼   ► people maybe mow their lawn but [TS]

◼   ► something where like they would owe you [TS]

◼   ► that's the unique people do you yeah [TS]

◼   ► that's why people are lasers people to [TS]

◼   ► favorites as they want people to over [TS]

◼   ► them I'd be the master of ceremonies at [TS]

◼   ► slovakia days I would be the you know [TS]

◼   ► who does that these days [TS]

◼   ► probably that's the thing is easily [TS]

◼   ► slovak nobody from the City Council is [TS]

◼   ► even aware that there are slovak days a [TS]

◼   ► Slovak days celebration i went on right [TS]

◼   ► now more than ever [TS]

◼   ► yeah that's right are we really doing [TS]

◼   ► this we really doing [TS]

◼   ► that's what I'd be all over you know i'm [TS]

◼   ► already all over the city i would just [TS]

◼   ► be all over the city as a city [TS]

◼   ► councilman kissing babies kissing air [TS]

◼   ► kissing babies let me kiss your baby [TS]

◼   ► mhm [TS]

◼   ► I said video of myself today that I [TS]

◼   ► hadn't seen in awhile was on a panel and [TS]

◼   ► I look like such an asshole [TS]

◼   ► the entire time i make faces the entire [TS]

◼   ► time on this panel I didn't I know I [TS]

◼   ► don't realize that i'm doing this but I [TS]

◼   ► apparently make absolutely no attempt to [TS]

◼   ► cover up when I think about what I [TS]

◼   ► people like that and I I don't have any [TS]

◼   ► filter I just I'm I screw up my face and [TS]

◼   ► start scribbling in a notebook and I'm [TS]

◼   ► just thinking something like that maybe [TS]

◼   ► write down your campaign poster where [TS]

◼   ► the are we really doing this face like [TS]

◼   ► family very beginning you're loosening [TS]

◼   ► your time maybe it's an animated gif 11 [TS]

◼   ► one eyebrow raised [TS]

◼   ► coming behind way way back in my city [TS]

◼   ► councilman's chair [TS]

◼   ► are we really doing this like grabbing [TS]

◼   ► my microphone off the table and holding [TS]

◼   ► it on my belly garbage [TS]

◼   ► yeah i mean i really feel like there's a [TS]

◼   ► lot you know but and you know and winter [TS]

◼   ► I would I would I would switch to an alt [TS]

◼   ► we'd sort of costume [TS]

◼   ► oh man think about think about all those [TS]

◼   ► characters from when we were kids all [TS]

◼   ► those those politicians that were so [TS]

◼   ► colorful and so well-known you get your [TS]

◼   ► tip o'neill she got to turn up [TS]

◼   ► that's exactly Bella abs or whatever you [TS]

◼   ► can feel like the bell labs ugh of the [TS]

◼   ► of the City Council obviously the [TS]

◼   ► seattle's bell labs we know that you've [TS]

◼   ► got the skills to to get in there and [TS]

◼   ► say are we really doing this but it [TS]

◼   ► would help if during your first lesson [TS]

◼   ► 90 days your first hundred days if [TS]

◼   ► you're able to institute something that [TS]

◼   ► was really massive that nobody even [TS]

◼   ► realize the city needed and you got it [TS]

◼   ► done regardless of who you had to take [TS]

◼   ► out to get there I don't know what that [TS]

◼   ► would be [TS]

◼   ► but I know what it would be why ziplines [TS]

◼   ► seattle is built on hills are we really [TS]

◼   ► doing this let me catch off there is a [TS]

◼   ► one-word there are hills all over the [TS]

◼   ► city and zip lines are there no sir i'm [TS]

◼   ► talking about public zip lines as a [TS]

◼   ► former public supplies costs almost [TS]

◼   ► nothing to install John that's right now [TS]

◼   ► I'm now picture a zip line from Capitol [TS]

◼   ► Hill to pike place market it would be it [TS]

◼   ► would be the most popular form of public [TS]

◼   ► transit in an in an hour maybe huge [TS]

◼   ► people be taking pictures feeling fine [TS]

◼   ► shirts [TS]

◼   ► yeah throwing throwing fish at people as [TS]

◼   ► they came down so inns in seattle if [TS]

◼   ► you're on capitol hill and you want to [TS]

◼   ► go to ballard which is on the [TS]

◼   ► opposite side of the town and there's a [TS]

◼   ► lake in the way and all the roads are [TS]

◼   ► are like bottlenecks and cluster fucks [TS]

◼   ► you can add until I'm preaching to the [TS]

◼   ► choir concert Francisco is like this to [TS]

◼   ► you gotta go from point A to point B [TS]

◼   ► there is no way to do it there's no [TS]

◼   ► straight line [TS]

◼   ► it's just like from from Capitol Hill [TS]

◼   ► Ballard as the crow flies is not that [TS]

◼   ► far but trying to get there is just like [TS]

◼   ► it's like one of those games where you [TS]

◼   ► can tilt the surface of the maze and the [TS]

◼   ► little ball but you're hacking system [TS]

◼   ► this is your Kobayashi kobayashi maru [TS]

◼   ► you're saying Capitol Hill to pike place [TS]

◼   ► in three high-flying minutes let's be [TS]

◼   ► gents city again but the strategy and [TS]

◼   ► jurists and on areas that are too far [TS]

◼   ► zipline obviously requires a certain [TS]

◼   ► amount of upper body strength there are [TS]

◼   ► people that are going to be able to use [TS]

◼   ► the zip line at the zipline can hang [TS]

◼   ► them in a basket [TS]

◼   ► it is applied well okay there should be [TS]

◼   ► baskets and pom-pom lifts but uh but [TS]

◼   ► gondolas right why is there no Capitol [TS]

◼   ► Hill to ballard gone too long if you can [TS]

◼   ► make a gondola that goes all the way up [TS]

◼   ► those to Zermatt Switzerland or whatever [TS]

◼   ► you you go up the Zugspitze and and up [TS]

◼   ► to the septum the Matterhorn or whatever [TS]

◼   ► with a gondola why can you not go from [TS]

◼   ► from Capitol Hill to the ballot you know [TS]

◼   ► who would love this the children of cool [TS]

◼   ► rock and roll dad's exactly and cool [TS]

◼   ► dads throughout the city and all those [TS]

◼   ► differences in Patagonia they would they [TS]

◼   ► would love it they would eventually say [TS]

◼   ► this tourist and it used to be better [TS]

◼   ► but they will be there on day one with [TS]

◼   ► the fleece and their lattes [TS]

◼   ► yeah if I said if I said all right [TS]

◼   ► here's what we're going to do we're [TS]

◼   ► going to build two huge towers one on [TS]

◼   ► top capitulo and one in fremont and it's [TS]

◼   ► going to be a gondola ride all the way [TS]

◼   ► across Lake Union the only people that [TS]

◼   ► we can play other people that wrote [TS]

◼   ► currently run the seaplane operation out [TS]

◼   ► of leaking because the garden would [TS]

◼   ► interfere with their see planning you [TS]

◼   ► like you've never been scared of special [TS]

◼   ► interest groups [TS]

◼   ► well the thing is I speak seaplane right [TS]

◼   ► I can talk to those guys about their [TS]

◼   ► beaters and their orders and the you [TS]

◼   ► know like i know the entire de Havilland [TS]

◼   ► range of aircraft we can we can reach we [TS]

◼   ► can reach some kind of agreement will [TS]

◼   ► just change the flight traffic but it so [TS]

◼   ► anyway ziplines palma lives [TS]

◼   ► and gondolas all over the city [TS]

◼   ► crisscrossing seattle and all of a [TS]

◼   ► sudden your crosstown traffic problems [TS]

◼   ► are solved right well and you know what [TS]

◼   ► it's amazing talking about this i was on [TS]

◼   ► the table [TS]

◼   ► sorry about this mr. Roderick I had a [TS]

◼   ► couple questions about the zoning ramen [TS]

◼   ► are we still talking about this guy [TS]

◼   ► amazing question who you know love [TS]

◼   ► ziplines everybody we are talking about [TS]

◼   ► this one who doesn't love ziplines [TS]

◼   ► Communists and i would have to have my [TS]

◼   ► little I have my little orange bell [TS]

◼   ► right there on my city council desk [TS]

◼   ► right and people would be like because [TS]

◼   ► you don't but I have questions about [TS]

◼   ► anything and integrated they're gonna be [TS]

◼   ► universal access to the popular thing we [TS]

◼   ► still talking about that we still [TS]

◼   ► talking about this is my fucking bail [TS]

◼   ► i'm not i just trying to get an opening [TS]

◼   ► their idea the the hundred days thing [TS]

◼   ► that was reasonable right was it was [TS]

◼   ► felt by dr than a hundred days out and [TS]

◼   ► apple now that's a different bell now [TS]

◼   ► had a hundred first hundred days [TS]

◼   ► yeah well mounted uh well i guess it was [TS]

◼   ► stolen and five-year plans and mouth had [TS]

◼   ► what were they [TS]

◼   ► seven-year plans Yeah Yeah right [TS]

◼   ► I think a city councilman should happen [TS]

◼   ► to have a bit bigger Bell think that's [TS]

◼   ► the one you need a name like that though [TS]

◼   ► like the Great Leap Forward eating [TS]

◼   ► something you need a name like that the [TS]

◼   ► great the you-know-what no one's leaving [TS]

◼   ► no one's using great leap forward right [TS]

◼   ► now it's a great and read about it in [TS]

◼   ► connection with with zip lines and the [TS]

◼   ► weight loss people would have great leap [TS]

◼   ► forward great the Great Leap Forward [TS]

◼   ► into a zip line from Broadway you know [TS]

◼   ► what you have plenty of ways to talk but [TS]

◼   ► we're really talking about this [TS]

◼   ► no no are we yes what is it are we [TS]

◼   ► really doing this [TS]

◼   ► are we still talking about we still [TS]

◼   ► gotta let you know we got that we should [TS]

◼   ► probably a workshop these a little bit [TS]

◼   ► yeah you're right [TS]

◼   ► are you still helps let's get to the [TS]

◼   ► really awkward part we are you still [TS]

◼   ► going to be able to do our program when [TS]

◼   ► you're on the City Council I don't see [TS]

◼   ► any reason why not you know the the [TS]

◼   ► thing is that most of our listeners are [TS]

◼   ► in the UK and new zealand do you know [TS]

◼   ► that for a fact [TS]

◼   ► no no I feel like we have we have a [TS]

◼   ► considerable listenership in like Iowa [TS]

◼   ► California to get a lot of Germans John [TS]

◼   ► lot of Germans that's true [TS]

◼   ► that's true and i don't think any of [TS]

◼   ► those people are really going to I doubt [TS]

◼   ► very much that anybody's gonna send a [TS]

◼   ► concerned letter to the seattle city [TS]

◼   ► government saying do you realize who's [TS]

◼   ► running for the cs City Council the [TS]

◼   ► Senate's have you listen to his podcast [TS]

◼   ► and the people of Seattle that listen to [TS]

◼   ► this podcast are going are going to [TS]

◼   ► benefit so much from my counsel ship [TS]

◼   ► that absolutely could get any worse most [TS]

◼   ► of them are on probation [TS]

◼   ► that's right they're not gonna out me [TS]

◼   ► out me it's all it's only going to be [TS]

◼   ► one of these these angry undergraduates [TS]

◼   ► from reading this I don't know on the [TS]

◼   ► dgcl have a sister city or similar yeah [TS]

◼   ► i think i want to maybe bergen norway [TS]

◼   ► you know I think I think regular Vic is [TS]

◼   ► one of our sister cities although i [TS]

◼   ► doubt that regulate actually exists [TS]

◼   ► sister cities for the city Seattle [TS]

◼   ► showing a light Morgan a bit beer and [TS]

◼   ► pronounced right apologize in advance [TS]

◼   ► Beersheva Israel oh that's nice perugia [TS]

◼   ► italy hungers are cheung hing china king [TS]

◼   ► Seattle has 21 extant sister cities i'm [TS]

◼   ► just saying it's become a very [TS]

◼   ► international economy is an [TS]

◼   ► international flavor we called i 18 n [TS]

◼   ► it's a very hot topic right now you [TS]

◼   ► might want to reach out and you might [TS]

◼   ► even get support from your sisters [TS]

◼   ► I'm just saying did you know that my [TS]

◼   ► that my neighborhood is the most diverse [TS]

◼   ► ZIP code in America that's mind-boggling [TS]

◼   ► it it's astonishing considering and [TS]

◼   ► that's not in the way you described it [TS]

◼   ► to me was it's not in the way it seems [TS]

◼   ► it isn't like oh there's an equal mix of [TS]

◼   ► black people and white people it's more [TS]

◼   ► like no no you've got a sampling you've [TS]

◼   ► got the ultimate like existential buffet [TS]

◼   ► humanity was right right there are just [TS]

◼   ► there are just as many people here from [TS]

◼   ► a like Vladivostok as there are from [TS]

◼   ► let's say uruguay [TS]

◼   ► so if this happens and the mayor gets in [TS]

◼   ► stays in I assume November whatever this [TS]

◼   ► first tuesday in november and then what [TS]

◼   ► there be a city council election [TS]

◼   ► probably [TS]

◼   ► probably [TS]

◼   ► two years two years that's right so i [TS]

◼   ► have two years to plan my campaign [TS]

◼   ► that's more than enough time John and I [TS]

◼   ► feel like I feel like a lot of this is [TS]

◼   ► the thing a lot of the cost of running a [TS]

◼   ► campaign is the is publicity and name [TS]

◼   ► recognition right but i already have [TS]

◼   ► name recognition and there's gonna be a [TS]

◼   ► lot of free publicity associated with me [TS]

◼   ► running for City Council because because [TS]

◼   ► everybody will want a black people are [TS]

◼   ► going well let's get on some people that [TS]

◼   ► people going to come out of the woodwork [TS]

◼   ► all those people who can't remember [TS]

◼   ► whether you're arguing with them or not [TS]

◼   ► somebody that you're 24 finding friends [TS]

◼   ► then you're gonna know pretty quick [TS]

◼   ► oh yeah everybody is going to [TS]

◼   ► everybody's gonna have something to say [TS]

◼   ► about it and baste i mean i would have [TS]

◼   ► to run on a platform of everything that [TS]

◼   ► I like I do not disavow anything that [TS]

◼   ► I've ever said i stand behind everything [TS]

◼   ► I've ever said because if you run on a [TS]

◼   ► platform like that given the sheer [TS]

◼   ► amount of crackpot shit that I have said [TS]

◼   ► over the years like in print and in [TS]

◼   ► public no one no one's gonna be able to [TS]

◼   ► say like well it you know like duh the [TS]

◼   ► candidate a you know have had a drinking [TS]

◼   ► problem or whatever the candidate the [TS]

◼   ► candidate is a known womanizer because [TS]

◼   ► you could also say like well the [TS]

◼   ► candidate has called for a reevaluation [TS]

◼   ► of Hitler's legacy again click get it a [TS]

◼   ► read the rest of it's not what it sounds [TS]

◼   ► like a good candidate the candidate [TS]

◼   ► believes that all teenagers should be [TS]

◼   ► put on work farms like there's no you [TS]

◼   ► could not my record is is is very [TS]

◼   ► substantive but it's it's so far out [TS]

◼   ► that you're no one's going to but it's [TS]

◼   ► it's absolutely and in by not the thing [TS]

◼   ► is essentially no I didn't say that you [TS]

◼   ► open a door or they're screwed there's [TS]

◼   ► so much nonsense you said and it's so [TS]

◼   ► contradictory there will be difficult to [TS]

◼   ► even have a presentable piece that you [TS]

◼   ► put in the paper [TS]

◼   ► exactly i mean Mike it's not made-up [TS]

◼   ► what I would say is we still talking [TS]

◼   ► about this [TS]

◼   ► listen I put on arguments like other [TS]

◼   ► people put on jackets and I like the [TS]

◼   ► look of myself in all these different [TS]

◼   ► arguments i think i'm very handsome in [TS]

◼   ► them [TS]

◼   ► next question galway ireland cotija past [TS]

◼   ► see Kobe that's what i meant Kobe that's [TS]

◼   ► where the the beef comes from the right [TS]

◼   ► leg at Tashkent Uzbekistan [TS]

◼   ► yeah tashkent that's a big town in [TS]

◼   ► Uzbekistan that's a you know Seattle's [TS]

◼   ► not the biggest town in America I think [TS]

◼   ► it's the 15 biggest town in America [TS]

◼   ► something like that may not be the [TS]

◼   ► biggest but it certainly is the zip line [TS]

◼   ► exists [TS]

◼   ► that's right well now think about that [TS]

◼   ► think about think about think about the [TS]

◼   ► sister cities of seattle all around the [TS]

◼   ► world how those sister city how quickly [TS]

◼   ► are those sister cities going to adopt a [TS]

◼   ► zip line based public transit system one [TS]

◼   ► Seattle page delay a hundred percent you [TS]

◼   ► you go to mombasa kenya kenya i think [TS]

◼   ► they're gonna want to look at ziplines [TS]

◼   ► yeah yeah [TS]

◼   ► tashkent six months after I'm elected to [TS]

◼   ► the city council tashkent is going to be [TS]

◼   ► the zipline capital of booze Pakistan [TS]

◼   ► hello this is Haiphong Vietnam we would [TS]

◼   ► like ziplines please zip lines and [TS]

◼   ► seattle is going to be by that point we [TS]

◼   ► will have pioneered like aggressive [TS]

◼   ► zipline technologies like how they can [TS]

◼   ► make the iphone 5 cheap now you got all [TS]

◼   ► the component parts right if you got [TS]

◼   ► everything you need if you make smart [TS]

◼   ► and you know what you get locally [TS]

◼   ► sourced up lines we have an abundance of [TS]

◼   ► engineers that are totally got cables [TS]

◼   ► you got going right there's gotta be [TS]

◼   ► cables land yeah and and Boeing keeps [TS]

◼   ► driving them there themselves in their [TS]

◼   ► commercial aircraft business into the [TS]

◼   ► fucking ground [TS]

◼   ► so all of these people that will one day [TS]

◼   ► be out of work will be newly employed in [TS]

◼   ► my zip line gondolas understand this [TS]

◼   ► correctly you're telling me this is a [TS]

◼   ► town that was used to literally be known [TS]

◼   ► as jet city is bowing the largest [TS]

◼   ► aircraft manufacturer in the world was [TS]

◼   ► based there they had factories and [TS]

◼   ► hangers there you could probably pick [TS]

◼   ► some of those up pretty cheap and [TS]

◼   ► convert them to zipline that's very [TS]

◼   ► pretty cheap right here in job and John [TS]

◼   ► jobs big big nothing about all the [TS]

◼   ► supplies you can make in a former 747 [TS]

◼   ► hanger you could have an entire you can [TS]

◼   ► have an entire supply industry they're a [TS]

◼   ► lot smaller than a lot [TS]

◼   ► is costly to ship more of them on a [TS]

◼   ► train [TS]

◼   ► I think right now the Swiss or the [TS]

◼   ► Germans might have a have like the [TS]

◼   ► gondola industry pretty well nailed down [TS]

◼   ► right but i don't know if you knew this [TS]