Roderick on the Line

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00:00:23 ◼   ► hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► bloop beep boop boop boop man [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► communication is complicated hurt her so [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► John what are you up to these days [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► oh you know just students and cleaning [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► around the house who I not really very [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► good at staying on top of it and then it [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► gets than the house gets dirty and then [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► it right then I really don't want to [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► deal with it and then house just keeps [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► getting dirtier and dirtier and dirtier [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► so so too it's spring cleaning day but i [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► also have to go to portland today so i [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► can't really in a blob [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► yeah you know me or her mom back and I [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► right yes [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► sheesh being a housewife is not easy [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► the grass is always greener other parts [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► of the house that you enjoy cleaning [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► interesting well you know you know the [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► problem with me is that I do not have a [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► clear delineation in my mind between [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► cleaning and organizing haha hall so I [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► meet people all the time who described [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► this so not all the time but i have i've [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► had it described to me that there are [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► people who are neat but dirty and people [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► who are clean a messy [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► hmm and I think that my instinct is on [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► the clean but messy side I don't like a [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► bunch i don't like dirt on things i want [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► you know I'm kind of a little fastidious [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► even about like scum but there's a mess [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► all over the place right and that is the [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► nature of your of your work as a [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► collector i have to imagine that's right [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► collector and organizer and a and a and [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► a BB stacker but then but then we have [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► it we have in my little plan here a term [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► called the hippie clean which is you [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► know if you're ever been to it if you've [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► ever been to the home of a married happy [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► couple like it's particularly a [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► middle-aged or late middle-aged married [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► happy couple houses is straightened but [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► if you look down by the floorboards you [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► look in the corners it's just like crime [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► of a thousand years [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► yes spiderwebs and stuff you know and [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► just like just like that kind of greasy [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► dirt that's just been it's been kind of [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► like the pressed into the floorboards [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► pressed into all the joints and and dust [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► bunnies everywhere it's a hippie clean [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► the house is straight like things are [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► organized things are you know it's not [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► like there's that there aren't soup cans [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► step out of months but it's a hippie [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► clean they have dogs in the house [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► yeah one time i was in england and i [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► stayed in a woman's house there and when [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► she had said ducks in the house up she [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► left the back door open and I was [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► sitting in the living room and like some [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► ducks walked in i guess being kind of [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► pleasant at a place i'm visiting it was [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► very it was very traditionally English [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► because they really they really prize [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► their eccentrics the Ducks were [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► embarrassed and like shanking she was [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► hidden [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► she was a classic English eccentric and [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► she left she had ducks in the house and [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► I I mean I approved right but it wasn't [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► something I was gonna have to clean so [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► anyway my house i prefer to have it be [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► be like hygienic but then stuff all over [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► the place but the problem is when i [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► start cleaning [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► I immediately start organizing uh-huh [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► and then i get off the track i get off [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► the trail because i realize i don't have [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► enough I'll folders and then i say i [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► don't want to buy file folders at the [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► office depot because they are new file [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► their modern construction and their [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► flimsy and they are no good so I need to [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► find some vintage file folders i know [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► exactly which doctor if you're lucky [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► enough to run across a box of old file [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► folders at a good will never go back [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► boy I'll tell you so then it's like well [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► I guess Mac pitches one of those you [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► know the other day I was at the goodwill [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► I found another typewriter that I had to [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► have but you know now i have like now I [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► have [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► well I'm i don't quite have a collection [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► of old typewriters but I definitely have [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► a handful [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► let's say let's say plus or minus five [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► here good for the environment John and [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► and i love this typewriter it's [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► beautiful but then I was like oh I need [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► some i'm not going to use my old paper [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► in this i need new paper to go with this [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► so I'm scanning the goodwill scanning [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► scanning can i find this beautiful blue [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► paper that was meant it's like a heavy [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► bond it was meant to be the front page [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► of a other report like it's blue kind of [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► like a little bit it's almost cardstock [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► e the entire box of it that was probably [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► fifty dollars in 1965 and it's like [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► ninety-nine cents and I said you know [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► what I'm gonna buy this I'm gonna buy [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► this and i'm just going to use it like [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► Merlin use file cards i'm going to write [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► one word on one of these beautiful [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► 50-year old pieces of paper and I'm just [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► going to crumple it up and throw it out [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► the window because i can't because fuck [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► the world [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► yeah the hippie clean i never heard that [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► term i like it and i am sympathetic in a [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► previous life I live with a person [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► inherit once [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► mm and we we were neither of us [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► particularly tidy people but one way [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► that we could make ourselves kind of [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► clean the house was to have a party so [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► you plan a party and then you have to [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► clean the house [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► YC right it's kind of you know like some [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► people like to make deadlines for [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► themselves and that like motivates them [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► to do stuff and this worked like at [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► least once a year we clean the house [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► because we have a party but clean the [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► house in advance of the party or you [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► clean the house after the bar no no the [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► idea was people are coming over want the [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► place to be nicely gonna clean house and [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► and like over time I mean you know [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► people change and i think things really [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► kind of deteriorated with our with our [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► feelings about the house and but there [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► was one particular party that's kind of [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► famous amongst my friends where we did [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► two things that were a little bit novel [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► one was that all of the stuff that was [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► all over the place like you know the [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► accumulation of like boxes and stuff and [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► things well do I we quickly put sheets [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► over all this things like it was an [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► English manor that we're leaving for a [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► season [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► haha but the real money shot we took all [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► of the dirty dishes and all the plates [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► all the glasses all the silverware we [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► put in a box put it in the Attic right [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► and then we didn't get it after that we [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► just left it up there o.o just set up [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► all the yeah that's right i'm stressed [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► and we're so now I kind of a perfect [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► analogy for from my life i think i'm [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► sitting here sitting right now I'm [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► looking let's see how many boxes can i [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► see i have the ic3 milk crates a like [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► four of those cardboard legal archive [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► boxes [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► whoo that's good that's a good box is a [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► costly box but it's a strongbox an [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► icebox I have a box here of of [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► forty-fives not pistols but but records [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► that's a different i have a different [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► place for about three or an insert i [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► have a bunch of like shoeboxes full of [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► stuff i'm looking around and i thought i [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► thought i was going to be able to count [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► for you the number of boxes i can see [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► from where I'm sitting that are full of [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► like projects that at one point we're [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► screwed across the floor and then got [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► all collected and put into a box for [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► later [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► I thought I was gonna be able to count [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► the number of boxes but then I realized [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► as I as I turn around you're too many [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► boxes to count John I got boxes on boxes [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► on boxes I got a box over here just full [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► of wallets that check your privilege [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► that Boggs you're like I see a box for [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► Waldo the ultimate first world problem [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► you have an entire box full of what's [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► have a box full of water i have a out [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► now here's one that I don't I really [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► don't know what to do with I have a huge [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► crate full of slides [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► ah now what do you do with that i'm sure [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► you can throw them away [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► you can't throw away i have a slide [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► projector i have carousels i could put [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► all the sly [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► I could do the thing where you sit for a [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► week and put slides and carousels and [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► put your slide projector up and watch [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► slides but then then what do you do [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► something you can I could ever there's a [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► room in my house I could have just full [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► of slides [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► yeah i know you probably are aware of [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► this but you know if you find a box that [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► looks like it's particularly good you [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► know you can send those offering them [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► scanned yeah but I mean that at what at [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► what cost [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► hmm it's not really it's not cheap to [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► have that done [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► have you ever thought of becoming [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► someone's thesis you would be i can just [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► think of probably half a dozen people [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► who are probably casting about should [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► read about social media and what about [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► Martin Bormann know what if somebody [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► were to turn you into their thesis [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► project imagine some smarty from u-dub [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► comes out there probably a young woman [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► will come out there and and just and [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► work on you like convinces him to is [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► going somewhere different than expected [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► i like that at one point recently I [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► realized that I had too many baseball [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► hats that for [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► I mean I could wear different baseball [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► hat every day for a year and there's no [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► I can't just if you put baseball hats in [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► a drawer in a box or not in a closet he [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► you don't see them you don't think about [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► him you're not like oh where's that one [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► baseball hat you know you have to kind [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► of have baseball hats out so you [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► remember them and so that you wear them [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► and I hit on this great idea which is i [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► bought some rope and I attach the rope [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► to the end of a the end of the curtain [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► rod and just let it hang down and then I [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► found some very nicely made vintage [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► clothes pins and I have closed pinned my [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► baseball hats to this rope so that on [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► either side of the window hanging from [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► each side of the curtain rod is like a [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► little little chain of baseball hats [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► that's clever and it's very and i find [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► it very appealing now i think i think [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► this is a case where if a stranger came [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► into the house the stranger might look [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► at that and say weird or say someone [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► special little bright lights different [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► this is making me very uncomfortable [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► it's like it's kind of Silence of the [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► Lambs meets somebody's grandma but I [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► can't see I can't see the world like [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► they see it now i can only see the world [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► like I see it [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► hmm and for me this like a decorative [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► element framing the windows in in like [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► chains of baseball hats is very nice [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► it's I i I'm looking at it right now and [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► I'm I'm just very proud of myself [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► this is part of it a space issue because [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► I mean like for example a typewriter it [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► takes up a lot of space you would need [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► some special shelving for that or [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► something you don't have a typewriter [TS]

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00:13:01 ◼   ► court six to one of the things one of [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► the reasons that for a long time I [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► wanted to have a downtown loft one of [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► these one of these lofts with like [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► 30-foot ceilings now at one point I did [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► live in a loft like that 44 46 years I [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► lived in a loft with with really high [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► ceilings this when you when you peed in [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► imbecile yeah right when I what I that [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► the lot that loft did not have a [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► bathroom [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► right let's just say that but as an [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► adult I've always kind of wanted to live [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► in a loft that was properly done that [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► had a kitchen and a bathroom and one of [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► those enormous walls was just shelves [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► all the way to the ceiling with a with a [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► ladder on wheels and on that set of [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► shelves i imagined that they would be [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► typewriters and there would be cowboy [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► boots and there would be places for LPS [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► a look at been against happy right right [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► it would be it would absolutely look [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► like a like a clicker daggers burgers [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► biggerstaff and pits could get started [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► Slappy's um and and yet all of those [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► things would not just be like a [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► tchotchkes picked out by a set designer [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► for a theme restaurant they would be [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► things that were part of my life and [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► that you know i would actually go up [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► sometimes and take that typewriter down [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► and use it i have a cursive typewriter [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► how sweet it is pretty nice but I do not [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► live in a in a lot for the giant wall [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► that looks like a Bennigan's i live in a [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► an old farmhouse and it's much harder to [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► have everything on display and not look [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► like well like a crazy person and that [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► is something I I fight against every [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► single day better just keep it in box [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► its give it the boxes stacked around [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► around the living room up in my face [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► fuck apple so come upstairs downstairs i [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► want to show you my hats now the problem [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► lately as I got it in my head that I was [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► gonna start being stuff boy is you need [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► a project I've never done it before [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► uh-huh but i but I started to feel like [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► look I've gotten rid of all the trash [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► all that's left is them is good stuff i [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► got i don't want to cut into the meat [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► and bone here but if I if I was selling [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► it in an online marketplace where people [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► could really that they were where I [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► would be appealing to a wide audience [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► that really appreciated the value of [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► some of these things you might be [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► providing somebody with the one piece [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► they needed to complete their collection [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► thank you think it's a gift [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► precisely so [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► what i did was i I went on ebay and i [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► looked and i was like i don't know i [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► don't understand how to operate this [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► this is a this this is confusing and so [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► I stopped looking at ebay but I did [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► start compiling things that i was going [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► to sell on ebay and so now right in the [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► center of my living room there's like [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► five big boxes of stuff that that I need [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► to get out of the house because if I [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► don't eventually I'm going to forget [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► what's in the boxes and I'm gonna walk [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► past them on dams and say what's in [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► those boxes and then I'm gonna look at [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► him and it's gonna seem like a treasure [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► hunt and I'm gonna pull all the stuff [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► out of the boxes and be like oh this old [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► why was I ever getting rid of this huh [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► and then all the stuff is going to come [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► back out and it's gonna all go back into [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► circulation and that's not what i want i [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► chose some things there in some boxes [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► it's time for them to go [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► yeah it's not one simple thing that [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► you're doing here it is a part of a [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► larger thought technology time to do the [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► getting rid of it is part of it to have [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► it out of the ecosystem and that kind of [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► makes everything else that's in your [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► collection all the more valuable [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► that's right these are the things that [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► survived the colon hmm i went around [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► tonight and i dabbed a little bit of [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► lambs blood on the front door of [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► everything I had [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► guess who uses tape any man accept this [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► is what you need a master student in [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► there John somebody to come in there and [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► catalog all this on a computer right [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► somebody that's doing a thesis I don't [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► want to just get rid of this stuff i [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► also want to tell the story of it that's [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► also part of the ebay idea was that I [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► would be able to tell the story of the [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► thing on ebay and then somebody could [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► appreciate the story and by the thing [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► and say like I didn't just buy this [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► thing i also bought the story that goes [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► with it but if I had somebody that was [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► really that was getting college credit [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► for that everybody wins [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► yeah I've been attracted to the idea of [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► those services that will put stuff on [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► ebay for you because I mean and not for [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► like heirloom quality typewriters or [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► anything necessarily but you know [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► something that's like slightly more than [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► tangled USB cable and slightly less than [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► like an heirloom Underwood curse off but [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► there's that stuff in between where [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► you're like just think like you know [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► even if I don't make a lot of money off [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► of this it'll be out of here [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► I won't have to have a yard sale which [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► is incredibly undignified the worst [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► oh I every time we do that I swear I'll [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► never do it again and I think it's stuck [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► the last thing we started with stars [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► people with the width and people come up [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► and say I'll give you a dollar for this [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► a dollar-for-dollar County yard sales [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► you've been going to know you get people [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► out there I mean you know this is a [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► whole business this is a whole racket [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► people to where they come out you say [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► okay come out and 8 a.m. on saturday no [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► early birds as people there at six [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► o'clock looking in your mail slot trying [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► to figure out what you go [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► ah as they figure it's going to be USB [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► cables but but there might be like [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► pearls that we didn't notice her [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► grandfather's old omega constellation [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► yes that's watch incidents [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► yes exactly and and then they want to [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► use the bathroom the you know what I [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► mean they come in they're touching [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► everything and they don't know [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► everything they want and nickel maybe [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► and to me like that that like that the [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► coup de Gras so I having somebody come [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► in and just take all that stuff away [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► it's like calling a hauling service but [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► there's very few things like that i find [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► more fulfilling and calm Holland guy [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► hauling guy it's real simple give him a [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► hundred fifty bucks and he fills the bed [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► of a truck and he didn't care what it is [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► and I don't know where cuz he might just [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► drop it off on the next block but you [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► know what the only creepy thing about it [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► is he does look through the bags as he's [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► putting them on the structure see if he [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► wants to make sure you're not throwing [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► any pearls [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► well obviously i see i told myself it's [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► because he wants to make sure that [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► there's no paint and batteries [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► alright is a good citizen but I think [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► ultimately yeah just wants to use to [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► touch my stuff [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► the thing is that all those guys all the [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► junk guys in the band the the garbageman [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► you know they all have collections at [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► home of other people's photo albums and [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► like a like other people's homemade porn [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► sure I mean that's why you get that's [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► why you become a junkman talked about [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► this then we had a friend who worked at [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► the the drugstore and everybody who does [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► any used to be back in the day back when [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► you know go to the local [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► drugstore to get your film processed as [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► you do and everybody who worked there [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► had a book [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► oh yeah you know where they may double [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► prints of the how you kidding me [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► the terrible terrible homemade porn want [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► to keep the one to trade pictures 24 [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► exposures of the local news lady [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► yeah haha a friend of Mines dad used to [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► bring a roll a week Gail Syrians from [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► the local NBC station [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► justjust pictures of her on TV oh you're [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► kidding [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► no uh-uh [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► yuck yeah but isn't that funny though [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► because like what does that say about me [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► that when i call the junk guy and it's [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► like I want to have still have some [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► attachment to my stuff and like have it [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► be private when you get away [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► look in my bag so that's what I trash [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► that's one of the reasons that I don't [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► go to yard sales because over the years [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► you know you go to yard sales and it [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► seems like it seems like all that's for [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► sale in those things are like supportive [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► undergarments and you know what it'd be [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► like the foundation where the recently [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► deceased yeah like you're poking through [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► it and I feel like like she eats selling [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► sheet since no nose no stick is long [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► enough to get me far enough away from [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► this stuff [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► poke it's just like Oh what is that is [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► that an ankle brace is it cut all my can [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► add hot water bottle he sells the stuff [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► that's an orthopedic piggy bank who buys [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► it like no thanks [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► so I stay away from that you know that [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► people ask me all the time like to go to [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► estate sales [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► it's so depressing do I want to do I [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► want to line up and fight like like [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► brassy women with big round glasses for [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► beanie babies [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► no I all of this is beneath my dignity [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► I'm not wanted to see his children sit [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► around looking at their watch [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► yeah I don't want to paw through [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► somebody's house like I don't care about [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► their this weird part about an estate [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► sale we did that with my grandmother [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► passed away in 1987 and I'm so glad I [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► wasn't there but we have the end and if [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► you've been through this process with [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► people but sure you have you had lots of [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► people in your family [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► I don't know how it goes with you but [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► like you go through you go and pick out [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► all the stuff you want and the first [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► time you do one of these dead relative [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► things eat you way over x and y [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► I ended up with all this like cheap [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► furniture from the forties that I just [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► diagonal is for it it was in James I [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► can't we can't get rid of this [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► oh my god that goes away pretty well [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► after about four hours [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► photo album blom photo blog but like [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► who's gonna hold all this stuff but then [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► you write to come to the point that [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► freaks me out that is how it's like a [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► little it's like a dead person museum [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► for a day and everybody comes to [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► everything all the silverware is like [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► it's not fancy is like still in the [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► drawers [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► I yeah I mean it's real creepy wasn't [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► going to like pick out which foundation [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► where you want like right out of their [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► drawers [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► yeah no no i mean the the the amazing [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► ones that I've been two are like these [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► ones where no grandad collected swords [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► ok I'll go look to this guy's sword [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► collection but but just like this was [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► grandma and grandpa's house and they [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► never throw anything away [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► come and we've now put price tags on [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► everything like sorry i would much [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► rather go to the goodwill where the last [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► ultimate drags of that sale finally got [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► dumped off and somebody in a smock [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► sorted it and and put a colored tag on [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► it and it sat on the shelves and was [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► touched by 1000 people much rather have [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► that experience like that I like that [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► section i'm into goodwill in years but [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► used to be is to go a lot to a lot of [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► you know three stores run by charities [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► and they're always be one section of [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► very large section of wooden souvenirs [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► that people bought on vacation so you [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► can look a little coconut guy or [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► something with googly eyes and hold pens [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► it's strange to me that they would [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► dedicate floor space to that stuff or [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► something made out of popsicle sticks or [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► something like that [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► yeah right where where it's like a [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► souvenir but and it's only value is as a [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► souvenir but experience that you had [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► firsthand and yet people are buying them [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► secondhand like it's a garbage thing it [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► was garbage when they bought it but at [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► least they could remember that time they [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► took a vacation dsm [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► right well and increasingly now one of [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► the things that happened a few years ago [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► and i think it was exacerbated when the [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► economy crashed was that a lot of people [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► started shopping a good wills a lot of [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► lot of normals that never would that [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► that would have thought it was kind of [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► too low class started going and then of [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► course the collect the collector side of [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► the equation just keeps growing and [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► growing and growing and so Goodwill's [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► started well they all bumped up their [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► prices about six or seven years ago so [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► thing that had four years have been a [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► dollar ninety-nine all of a sudden was [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► 1999 right and it took a there was a [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► period of adjustment when I was like I [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► will never pay 1999 for this party [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► started Washington and pressing them [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► selling the good stuff to hipsters in [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► New York and not you [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► that's the other thing they all open [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► this little store within a store where [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► they sell the good stuff right and I [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► love going into that just because it's a [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► glimpse behind the curtain into people's [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► minds of first of all what is good stuff [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► what is valuable and so much of it is [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► this stuff that you're talking about the [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► hot the slightly higher grade of like [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► collectible commemorative plates [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► Bicentennial stuff you know like like [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► that wasn't much of that is rare [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► anybody who anybody who ever goes to [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► Germany has to buy a Stein and then they [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► bring the stein home and they realize [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► that a Stein is an inefficient way of [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► drinking a beverage [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► you don't need a lid because we've [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► conquered the fly problem for the most [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► part or whatever the fuck what we'll do [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► whatever reason a Stein has a lid [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► it's not it's not handy anymore so the [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► stein ends up at the thrift store a [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► thrift store people think oh this is [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► this is a couple to live this is nice [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► and they put it in the special area so I [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► don't do that special area I'm not even [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► looking for I don't I definitely do not [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► expect to find granddad's omega [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► constellation we'ii certainly I mean [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► just in the times I've gone the last [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► dozen years [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► certainly don't find those paydays like [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► you used to [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► we could go like whoa this is somebody's [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► whole like pretty cool record collection [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► is here is right for you knowing oh my [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► gosh they have all these like Motown 45 [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► or something like that you just don't [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► see I don't think you see that anymore [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► you don't you have to have the really [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► Ratchet back what youth what you think [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► is a big score you know in the old days [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► I remember [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► yeah right you go in and you'd be like [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► oh there's all these different sixties [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► Levi's in here that's blue folder covers [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► i'm only gonna get the sixties Levi's [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► that don't have any holes in the knees [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► you know every one of those pairs of [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► jeans is worth 20 grand now and at the [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► time I was like are now these leave all [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► this got an oil stain on the cuff and [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► yeah now exactly it's like i found the [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► blue paper I this is like look at these [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► stickers i used to buy vintage office [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► supplies ever any time that I saw like a [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► bunch of something cool like it just bc [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► like how the world used to be and [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► offices and you know those things those [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► are probably i'm thinking of like large [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► like medical office file folders that [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► way like a couple ounces apiece like big [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► heavy things that were meant to be in [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► heavy cabinets with heavy information [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► about heavy cancers and like and you can [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► just use gobble that stuff up your car [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► with it i used to work at a at a stock [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► brokerage and the the brokerage had two [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► floors in an office building downtown [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► and then there were another two floors [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► somewhere kind of high up in the [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► building that were just given over to [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► those cardboard boxes full of heavy [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► files and i would get set up there all [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► the time like take take this you know [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► take this palette of of files up and up [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► to deep storage and you think about mean [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► imagining all the hoarders who have an [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► attic full of unwashed dishes that they [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► took up there during a party and never [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► got down [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► but now think about all the office all [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► the companies all the law firms and [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► stock brokerages and banks that are more [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► than a hundred years old over that have [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► those that have that space already [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► earmarked for that and no one has ever [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► said why are we paying to heat this [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► warehouse full of paper just like all [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► like copies of correspondence right [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► track triplicate copies of reception [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► thing that's not talking about stuff [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► like for financial records that you have [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► to keep that stuff you know what I mean [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► just like that you always had a copy of [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► everything because that's just had [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► that's what you had to do receipts right [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► yeah the while you were out the little [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► pink while you were out and so you know [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► you think about like this one this one [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► office building and the more I think [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► about it the brokerage was on like the [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► tenth and eleventh floor but the [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► archives were up on the 26th 27th floor [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► and the archives had a better view [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► well that's what I'm not that's what I'm [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► saying that is counter-intuitive right [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► the higher floors the better one in an [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► office building isn't it i think so i [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► don't understand that at all but i would [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► go up there you know that the blinds [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► were always closed it was just it was [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► just a row after row of these shelves of [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► hard copies and presumably most of those [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► most offices now have transitioned to [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► computers so these are just the dead [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► stacks that that will stay there until [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► well for all eternity probably in some [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► cases [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► wow yeah it's it's it's amazing how [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► quickly all that has changed and it's [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► just and you know stuff like you think [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► about stuff today like with like HIPAA [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► laws and stuff around you know the least [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► theoretically around things like privacy [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► and things like that [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► i remember when i was in college when [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► you get your student ID card i think i [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► think when i started you know in the [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► mid-eighties it was the last year of of [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► a few things being done a certain way [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► but one of the things was I don't like [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► this for you but your student ID number [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► was your social security number [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► hmm everybody in Florida who went to [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► college that was your student ID number [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► and so your student ID that you used to [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► check out library books you know you [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► have this little bar code each time you [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► register on the back now that was a [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► really big deal we got barcodes but you [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► know we still had when I worked in the [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► library in 1986-87 we still had cards in [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► the books you can see everybody would [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► ever checked out the books if you wanted [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► to if you wanted to like check something [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► out you'd leave your student ID with [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► your social security number on it [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► sitting around i mean in every document [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► you ever received from the college has [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► your social security number on it right [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► i mean it's it's bad i mean III must [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► have blocked this out but then I won't [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► have to deal with a bunch of old stuff [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► of mine and you know getting rid of it [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► and I was amazed at like how many [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► hundreds and hundreds like every [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► evaluation i never gotten are you know [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► and obviously things like financial aid [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► its security number one every single [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► piece of paper [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► what was it like that for you if you'd [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► like to say i'm trying to remember you [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► know I we used to put our social [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► security number down as primary [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► identification for a lot of things [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► absolutely i mean it was it was it it [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► may on and if it wasn't such a banana [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► system where so much was riding on that [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► one string of digits it would make sense [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► yeah you know if it just became like an [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► easy way to make you into a number in a [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► way that was public interested in what [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► that's not what it was I mean yeah right [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► it was well but you you know there [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► weren't although there were all those [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► ways to exploit it before to buy my [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► favorite thing about about that ladies [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► mid mid to late eighties period in [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► colleges was it was the last when I [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► first when i first got to college all [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► the seniors we're talking about the era [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► right before they started college where [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► there were where there was a bar in the [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► student center right like that era that [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► we just missed right that ended in like [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► 80 to where it was where college was [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► really something you know where you [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► could wear you had [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► keg parties that were sponsored by the [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► college and stuff you know nobody no [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► college has ever been sued yet because [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► somebody drove a truck through the [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► dining hall and it was it was like still [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► the Wild West End and we were the first [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► generation after that first wave of like [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► well wait a minute we better close down [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► the bar is in the you know that's like [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► on campus but but in retrospect it was [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► still the Wild West like the first [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► couple of years that I hit checked [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► around the country i could go into any [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► college walk into walk right into any [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► dorm and in most cases like walk kind of [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► right into the dining hall and help [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► myself or in those cases where the [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► dining hall required that you have a [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► card it was like it was eat it [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► borrow somebody's student ID flash the [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► card and then hand it back to them you [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► know through the turnstile and then they [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► would flash it and you know there was no [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► security of any kind on campus and it [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► was all done in this like sign in sign [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► in and you take what you want like [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► basically you could write whatever you [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► could write any social security number [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► it wasn't like there's likely scan the [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► card and wait to see if it was valid [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► valid right and so I mean at the time I [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► remember thinking god this sucks [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► look why can't it be like it used to be [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► when you know just like just open just [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► open country but now of course i don't [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► mean you can't even you probably can't [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► get in the building at certain times a [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► day at the University of Washington you [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► can't even Park they've really have [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► instituted this whole thing where it's [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► like oh yeah this used to be parking but [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► it's not very first saw this still seems [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► so I understand this but it still seems [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► so where is probably Manhattan [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► it was the first time I ever saw one of [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► those a ATM where you have to slide your [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► card to even get the door to open [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► so I'll go into a little that seems so [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► strange i know i think i think you're [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► right i think a lot of stuff happened [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► and you know this is probably just basic [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► self-absorption on my part thinking I [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► was there when stuff change but i [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► remember you remember that members [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► during the early Reagan years they a lot [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► federal law was created that said [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► everybody needs to raise the drinking [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► age to 21 right it was 19 and Idaho when [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► i started at college and because if you [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► didn't raise a 21 by something like I [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► think 1985 or so this becomes important [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► in a minute you would no longer get [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► federal highway funds federal highway [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► funds it's a big deal so everybody [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► change the trick me to 21 but if you [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► were in this certain windows 19 in [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► florida and again if you were in this [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► certain window grandfather your [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► grandfather i missed it by I think like [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► three months o.o all my friends and hung [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► out with kids who just graduated and so [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► you know i was always I was always [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► behind until i turned twenty-one but I [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► think you're right i think it used to be [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► I mean can you imagine being the place [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► where the drinking age is 18 came around [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► that ok so so when I first when i first [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► went around America it was the summer of [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► 86 and in Colorado that's the supper at [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► the National is 18 and too young to [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► drink [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► yeah summer of 86 right i was i was [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► still 17 but but uh but you know was [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► like algae sorry 19-inch and drink in [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► Colorado you could drink 32 beer near [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► that's right you could you could go and [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► get busy good liquor stores and they [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► were like separate sections for this [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► half beer that you that you could get if [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► you were 18 which now seems like [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► quadruple crazy to me and there were [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► there were there was another state that [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► you could drink three ok but you can [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► only buy filtered cigarettes haha but [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► Idaho was still 19 and you and there was [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► a grandfather clause but I mean yeah I [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► was like I was out I was out of the [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► running of that but you know what i was [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► in 1986 marijuana was still legal in a [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► lot [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► askah remember two lies right now that's [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► insane marijuana was legal [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► uh all through the seventies and [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► eighties in Alaska they legalized [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► anything you know four ounces unless at [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► some point and they just it was it just [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► felt like a it never really got very [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► much national publicity but it was just [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► a kind of a typical Alaskan move like [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► this isn't this is beneath our dignity [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► we have bigger problems and it's just an [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► enforcement thing and we're just not [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► gonna bust you for less than 4 ounces [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► and even though is a federal law [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► well it wasn't in the well I'm not [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► exactly sure how they manipulated about [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► how it all works with you but all the [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► way through high school I mean it was [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► kind of like it is in Amsterdam where [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► you know technically it's legal but but [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► Peter don't push it don't push anybody's [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► buttons don't wave it under anybody's [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► nose and at a certain at a certain point [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► in the eighties well I remember exactly [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► because my dad took me to the Rotary [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► Club meeting where the Alaska State [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► Troopers spokesman was making the case [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► to the rotary why we should criminalize [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► marijuana and it was a case he felt like [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► he needed to come to the Rotary Club and [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► make this case to the people and he gave [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► a whole presentation and dad for your [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► dad used to take me to rotary club [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► meetings all the time I think largely he [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► would do it just to piss off the other [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► rotor rotor Arians because nobody else [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► ever brought their teenage son i'm not [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► sure what he there at home polishing the [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► bolo ties it was this was just one of [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► those things where he was just like [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► course I bring my son he's a he's gonna [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► wonder he's gonna run this town but so [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► I'm sitting in this in this Rotary Club [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► meeting and the guy gets up and he's [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► like listen it was it was also the [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► criminalization of three [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► criminalisation of pot in Alaska was [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► also tied to fight federal highway funds [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► in some way although we didn't have this [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► is the other thing we didn't have a [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► federal highway because there was no [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► there's no interstate the last take that [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► Obama right so it was all state highways [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► but the but the you know the feds were [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► and oh and the other thing of course is [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► that the oil money in Alaska means that [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► we don't need federal money for stuff [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► like that you know they they instituted [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► will they be instituted a point one [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► percent tax on all the money that came [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► out of the Prudhoe Bay and by 1980 the [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► state of Alaska had a surplus of like 40 [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► billion or something like that I mean [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► that the naked that's why they started [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► doing that permanent fund I mean they [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► could hand every Alaskan a one ounce bar [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► of gold every time they fill up with gas [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► at the service station and the state of [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► Alaska but it's never run out of money [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► back but so this guy get something and [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► end up then the thrust of his argument [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► was by by having marijuana legal here in [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► the state of Alaska we are sending a [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► message to kids that we do not care [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► about them and that drugs are fine and [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► that marijuana is a gateway drug and [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► that they are going to start using pot [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► because they because it's legal here and [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► then they're going to become heroin [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► addicts and said they're going to be sex [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► workers and then there then they're [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► going to end up in like a Bombay opium [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► den giving blowjobs and this is an [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► inevitable course of action and as this [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► guy is giving this speech all around the [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► the the the sheraton conference center [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► where the where these Rotarian for [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► setting all around i can hear our armor [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► remember forever armor like the room [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► really agrees with this guy and a lot of [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► like accenting moaning from old men [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► yeah George that's right sounds were [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► perfectly reasonable and it was the you [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► know the height of the Reagan years I [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► remember sitting there with this likes [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► look on my face like no way man [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► no way will never happen you never get [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► it that's not the Alaska way man [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► unicare pots legal hear me and I don't [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► even know if I I'd probably smoked pot [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► like four times by that [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► yeah but let me just you know principal [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► and then it was put up was one of those [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► was one of those things where I don't [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► think that they had enough votes to put [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► it on the ballot but they put it on the [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► ballot anyway and I don't they probably [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► didn't have enough votes to pass by the [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► past anyway and all of a sudden pot was [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► a pot was illegal in Alaska and it [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► remains illegal there even now that it [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► is legal in Washington which is a which [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► i find is a personal affront kind of [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► want to ask you about that what the pot [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► legal partner in Washington [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► yeah I wonder how that's going well it's [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► I mean it's going great [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► I i was surprised I'm surprised when I [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► when I tweeted about it not very long [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► ago the number of people who really had [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► never tried pot because the because the [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► the fact that it was illegal inhibited [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► them really it was an astonishing not [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► because I i sent some tweet out saying [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► who in the world didn't try pot just [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► because it was illegal that's an if you [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► wanted to tripod it wasn't the barrier [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► to entry was not that high but I got a [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► ton of replies from all over the world [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► of people say like well no I didn't try [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► because it's illegal and also it makes [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► sense it's illegal [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► the only people that have access to it [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► are criminals and drug people that is [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► fascinating and I didn't want to deal [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► with criminals and drug people so I've [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► never tried it but now that it's legal [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► maybe i will and i was like really [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► fascinated by it because that's not even [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► probably a representative sample of the [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► people in the world that's just people [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► that follow me on Twitter or who are who [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► are I mean definitely a lot of nerds but [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► like not that they're not this the [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► squares there at least they're on [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► Twitter [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► I mean there are tons and tons and tons [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► of squares out there that are that who [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► knows maybe the fact that pot is legal [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► now they're like maybe I should give [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► this part of try [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► I mean that whole idea that the the [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► legality or illegality of that thing [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► would that that now that it's been made [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► legal again people would say oh well it [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► must be safe right [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► it's just crazy to me but in any case [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► there are pot stores now they're already [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► were pot stores opening all over the [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► place because of that medical marijuana [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► thing but they were those bullshit [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► dispensaries with the green cross that [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► are made to look like a pharmacy haha [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► that I haha that I just I find it so [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► insulting like let's just call a spade a [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► spade parties to get stoned if you have [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► glaucoma or you know or stomach cancer [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► by all means get pot and I don't for a [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► second like the Grinch but when you say [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► that people act like you're telling [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► little kids that Santa Claus isn't real [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► you know you something could be a karma [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► stock right all the people who are like [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► I have anxiety disorder and the only [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► thing that helps is pot tons and tons of [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► pot it's like first of all if you have [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► anxiety disorder [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► the last thing you need is pot but like [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► that a lot of i would say i would say [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► eighty-five percent of that argument is [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► baloney or if you are making that case [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► like okay the case is made right like a [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► pot as a medicine is the same as cedar [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► bark as medicine and now that it's legal [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► great like grind it up in your with your [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► hammer and pestle and then make a [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► tincture whatever it is you think you [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► need to do that my seedbox husband's [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► that is not that that that was not a a [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► persuasive argument for me that was a [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► backdoor way to ending the ridiculous [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► probably [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► not pot yeah that's exactly yeah and now [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► that it's over let's put it let's let's [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► put that baloney aside but the you know [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► the state is doing what the state does [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► with with all things which is trying to [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► regulate and tax the shit out of it and [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► I imagine most of the people i know who [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► smoked pot are still buying pot from [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► their pot dealer and they just feel a [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► little bit more relaxed about it but not [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► I i can't i can't believe that very many [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► people are going down to the pot store [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► I mean that they're rolling it the [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► rolling it out gradually and i think [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► most of the ones i see are still in this [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► dispensary category [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► yeah which involves way too much signing [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► up you know like way too much Stoker [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► yeah right it's like whoa whoa whoa i [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► got assigned something [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► oh hey man well you know how we will [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► talk to a lot in the past you know about [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► how you you don't want to become too [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► much of an old guy how we don't want to [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► be coming all goal people who just kind [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► of write stuff off and whether it's [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► music or whatever i'm trying to keep my [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► powder dry about this because my [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► immediate reaction is a little bit like [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► what is going on but I you know I want [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► to make sure that there's not new [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► information I need to take in but I [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► guess it's what decriminalized in [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► California or been in San Francisco it's [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► always been theirs as long as I've been [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► in San Francisco it's real pretty much [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► more acceptable to smoke a joint and a [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► cigarette most places and that's you [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► know how San Francisco is but mana no no [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► this is a just me noticing and [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► availability heuristic but you know [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► there's a partner house that high school [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► students walk through you know after [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► school and I mean the evidence is there [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► it's just if there's something really [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► weird to me about walking by and there's [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► this like tornadoes like just like like [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► funnels of swisher sweet wrappers just [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► like spinning around and there's a bunch [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► of like 16 year old kids just sitting [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► there just smoking pot and and my [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► daughter walked by and we know how are [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► you and keep going [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► they're not bad people are smoked some [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► time apart but something about it [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► rankles me a little bit [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► they should be scared i don't know why i [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► think that but they should not be [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► allowed to roll blood [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► in the park is something about it really [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► bothers me well I I feel like even if I [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► didn't have a kid even if I were merely [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► an old guy i think it would bug me [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► we're going where we're going to as a [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► nation I think go through a transition [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► period that maybe 15 years long-wear pot [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► is decriminalized and and we have we [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► have two whole generations of people who [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► grew up a during this prohibition period [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► who feel like now smoking pot in public [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► smoking pot and you know proudly in [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► front of everybody is still some kind of [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► resistance movement you know and that [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► that walking around smoking pot is there [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► is there right now and um and they're [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► going to it's going to be like this kind [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► of proud let my freak flag fly business [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► but they say you're saying though it's [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► it's symbolic of something more than [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► just getting intoxicated [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► yeah yeah right i mean the fact that [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► they can take a civil right it's a civil [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► right and also one where they are [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► they're very conscious of the fact that [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► people are still shocked by it and it [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► feels like very new and it feels very um [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► you know I i said i think when it first [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► happened I mean I almost want to go down [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► and buy an ounce of pot at the store [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► just because of all the years that that [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► wasn't possible and that just feels like [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► yeah I'm just buy it and and throw it on [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► the ground but like to go do it it's [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► probably way higher quality and this [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► stuff we owe customarily risked arrest [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► together it's ludicrous yeah but I think [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► you see what happened in the Netherlands [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► is that there became a real social a [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► real social divide it within the culture [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► that the Dutch people stop being [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► impressed with with pop culture and with [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► like well I'm smoking pot outside you [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► know like the Dutch were not impressed [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► with that [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► after a very short amount of time is in [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► other ones is it fair to say it's kind [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► of a live-and-let-live kind of place [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► well I in some ways yes in some ways no [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► I mean the Dutch themselves are very [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► like personally reserved and I think [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► extremely judgmental of each other and [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► of themselves you know there personally [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► very very reticent and very put together [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► their live-and-let-live aspect of their [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► culture is is founded on a kind of like [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► is this worth is this worth worrying [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► about is this worth directing resources [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► toward a more practical it's it's it's [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► it's strictly practical and it's also [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► kind of like a core libertarianism in [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► them that's just like this is beneath [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► contempt or like what why would we [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► worried about this why would we like [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► they're there they're not they're not a [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► police 'i culture they're much more [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► there self-police i guess and part of [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► being self-police is that you don't but [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► then you don't really empower the police [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► to be an army but if you walk down the [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► street in the Netherlands smoking a [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► joint you will get a lot of I mean not [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► like weird looks but you will definitely [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► feel unappreciated you know like [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► unwelcome basically because you are [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► you're not violating the law but you are [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► violating the social compact and you are [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► identifying yourself as a low-life [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► basically so it within the netherlands [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► if you want to smoke pot that's fine [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► anybody that smokes pot is fine and [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► they're they're not they're not bummed [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► out about it but it's also not you don't [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► get a sense of like that the country [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► that the mentality in the country is do [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► whatever you want man [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► welcome to the Netherlands do whatever [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► you want the culture is very much like [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► welcome to the Netherlands please [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► deposit your garbage in the proper [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► receptacle perfect can you please keep [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► it down after 8pm and like if you don't [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► you're just gonna get I mean they will [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► basically tisk tisk you to death [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► sounds like Switzerland well except the [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► Swiss are our head our way more law and [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► order and the Dutch are much they are [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► much more free and easy but it's but but [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► there's also a kind of assumption there [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► are a lot of people from other places in [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► the Netherlands and so that the people [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► that are from their feel a cultural [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► divide like if you walk through that the [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► lights plane there are people smoking [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► pot of people drinking beer and it's a [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► rowdy rowdy place but if you step back [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► and lean against the wall and watch how [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► the Dutch behave [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► they're just walking through they're on [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► their way to somewhere else like you [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► there are whole places in Amsterdam or [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► in any Dutch city where it's just Dutch [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► people going about their business and it [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► does not feel like a Renaissance Fair in [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► this place of it feels like it feels [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► like an architect's office an open-air [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► architects office orderly orderly and [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► people are you know people are very [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► well-groomed and they are very they're [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► on their way somewhere and they have a [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► Bab methodology and it's not it's it is [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► not like just go for it bro one so I [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► feel like that's going to happen here [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► too there's going to be a period where [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► where people are smoking pot and doing [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► their thing and everybody's real proud [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► of it but the natural at least in the [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► northwest the natural social overlay is [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► to say okay man you know why I see that [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► you're smoking pot and that's fine and [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► everything but like I'm walking through [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► the park with my kids and different like [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► straighten up and fly right listen I i [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► mentioned it not just because it's [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► embarrassing and pays me an old man but [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► because it just to kind of unpacking a [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► little bit its there's so many things [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► that it's not to me [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► first of all I don't really care of [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► people smoke pot I smoke pot and it is [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► really pretty harmless i definitely my [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► large x large and you know but I [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► also the driver delivered smoke pot and [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► rub tiger balm on your temples as much [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► as I shouldn't that window closed it and [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► it's also but and it's absolutely the [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► case that like gosh I mean I just don't [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► turn into like a system of a down record [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► but like no I think that address but all [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► that the drug policy stuff is grazing [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► the number of people who are in jail for [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► a certain amount of time because it's [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► only drug that stupid stupid do it also [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► the wrong way to do it so it's not that [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► either it's not like I'm saying oh you [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► doing drugs you should get in trouble [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► I'm not even saying that it's something [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► we're like this it's almost as part of [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► me that's that's the two things i can [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► distill it down to is first of all it [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► does seem weird that it's just ok for [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► kids in high school to smoke pot and not [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► be worried about it i don't know why [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► that bothers me but that does seem [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► strange and the other one is I think [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► it's gonna kind of become like the new [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► cell phone [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► I think it's going to be a little bit [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► like cell phones were in like nineteen [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► ninety-six em where it's just gonna be [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► something that annoying people are doing [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► as they can write like oh I'm on this [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► bus i'm gonna i'm gonna smoke some of my [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► marijuana [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► yeah it's something that annoying people [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► will do because they can that's exactly [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► what you see ye hear me struggling with [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► it though because I it isn't something i [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► don't want people to get in trouble for [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► it and yet there's this part of me that [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► thinks like it's it's and this is just [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► the old guy in me I think but there's a [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► part of me that thinks like I guess I'm [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► in retrospect grateful probably the [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► wrong word but like I wonder how I would [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► be today if I kept smoking as much pot [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► as I could smoke all the time with no [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► repercussions was picturing the scene [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► well this is a and this is before we [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► like nervous and paranoid that have you [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► seen Merlin know nobody sees Merlin um [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► this is what I think one of our [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► reoccurring themes and it's bennett and [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► it is a question that it's very easy to [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► it's very easy to put this into the camp [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► of like we're a couple of old guys and [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► we are making the transition now to old [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► guy concern yeah like let's say we're on [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► the wrong side of history [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► potentially yeah but the but what we [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► keep coming back to what is what is a [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► major thread running through everything [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► we ever [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► about is the idea of self-governance and [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► our perception of the current world as [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► being one where self-governance is no [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► longer taught or prized and the world [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► that we not necessarily came from but [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► the world that existed before the one [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► from whence you when we aspire to and [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► the and absolutely the one we aspire to [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► is a one is a world where [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► self-governance is is highly prized and [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► and taught and practiced you know and [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► what what happened in the sixties and [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► throughout the seventies and eighties [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► and certainly now it's just been this [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► gradual process of kara and this may be [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► true i mean i think if you look at the [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► popular culture in the twenties it was [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► true it's always true of teenagers and [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► people in their early twenties to say to [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► equate self-governance with uptightness [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► and unhip pneus and why can't you just [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► be free why can't you just you know like [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► be creative and be freely a you want you [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► want everybody to be tightly one like [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► right exactly and so and that is that's [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► like deeply unhip and one creative and [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► inhibiting and but what has happened is [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► there's all this like psychological [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► science and pseudoscience and [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► generations and generations of people [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► now with with quote unquote evidence to [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► support that all you need to do is is [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► you know give a give a grown-up a crayon [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► and and some mushrooms or whatever and [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► and look out world because he's finally [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► free [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► and he quits his job at IBM and he [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► becomes a he becomes a a fire dancer and [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► a and a pornographer and her and her a [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► and this is the world that we want to [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► live in this world of ultimate freedom [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► where everybody is just fully alive and [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► so and the way to accomplish that is [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► through art and through destroying these [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► structures and structures that used to [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► bind us to one another and and in fact [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► what it does is it creates two separate [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► classes one the class of people who are [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► keep you keep moving and get out of the [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► way and are conscious of their [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► surroundings and are trying to not be a [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► burden to other people and are aware [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► that like society dictates that we not [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► all do whatever we wanted any good [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► all do whatever we wanted any good [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► moment and then an entire separate class [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► of people who live in the world as [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► though anything that inhibits their the [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► anything that inhibits the momentary [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► expression of their whim is some kind of [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► either evidence of a police state or a [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► crew who religious state or is some like [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► worse some inhibited one creative bad [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► vibe lands III feeling get the feeling [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► that people think that it is anytime [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► that what you're describing happens they [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► want to find a way to frame it as an [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► organized attempt to attack them [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► personally because of how they are right [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► right oh and then precisely then the [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► then the you introduce the idea of [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► identity politics to it which is that [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► not only is it a question of creativity [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► but a question that the UH of their [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► identity and how they were born and [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► shaped and who they really are and so [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► now [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► yeah you are you're attacking their core [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► like they will look you right in the eye [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► didn't say I cannot keep moving and get [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► out of the way because I you know [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► because i am differently-abled than you [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► are [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► body shaming there whatever it's just [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► like well no really you still capable of [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► both moving and getting out of the way [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► because you got here [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► you got to this you got to the [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► supermarket somehow yeah so I I don't [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► know how to other than through our [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► podcast you're in my philosophy podcast [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► I mean how to and and we wrestle with [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► all the time like it are we super unhip [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► I'm sure there are people who listen to [TS]

01:01:47 ◼   ► the podcast and rejected immediately [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► because they hear it as two old guys who [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► no longer are free but I I really do [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► believe that's that self governance is a [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► philosophy and in my case it [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► it includes a little bit of masochism [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► and self-abnegation but like it is a way [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► it is a valid way of constructing a [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► society and it and that's why I admire [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► the Dutch they are self-governing and [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► part of that is that they're at their [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► social contract implies a lot of that [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► you know like if you step out you are [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► noticed and they don't want to be [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► noticed in that way right but I don't [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► know what I don't know how Stella got it [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► like myself not self-esteem almost [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► absolutely and himself image they see [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► themselves as being as doing the right [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► thing and I would want to do something [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► that made you even think that I was [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► doing the wrong thing because and not [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► just because they're afraid of being [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► noticed but because they think its moral [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► who you know I remember getting into an [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► argument not very long ago on twitter if [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► you can imagine me getting into an [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► argument is you out earlier an argument [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► huh where I said somewhere I said [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► something to the effect of if you wear [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► shorts and flip-flops on an airplane [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► you are a garbage person and they should [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► put you in a shoot and send you out into [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► the sky and I get some reply from a guy [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► who's a college educated person who [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► works in software probably or works you [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► know has a good job and he replies very [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► heartily that why shouldn't he be [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► comfortable on an airplane and I why [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► should i just come to your Cuban fart [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► sack wrote back and said your comfort is [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► at the expense of everyone else is [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► comfort and he says I fail to see how me [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► being comfortable impacts anyone else [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► that's the problem and I said there's [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► likely that there's the problem you're [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► not aware of your flip-flops and you're [TS]

01:04:02 ◼   ► like shorts intruding on other people's [TS]

01:04:06 ◼   ► space and we went back and forth until I [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► realized it was pointless but I've been [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► in that argument with a lot of people [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► wear [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► where the the perception of the [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► perception of the of the social contract [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► from their end is that the [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► responsibility that the onus is on me to [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► not be grossed out rather than being on [TS]

01:04:35 ◼   ► them to behave with what we used to [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► think of as decorum like don't show up [TS]

01:04:42 ◼   ► to [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► don't go out in public in your pajamas [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► don't pick your nose don't put your feet [TS]

01:04:48 ◼   ► up on things you know and it's not it's [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► it's like we were talking about before [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► it's not just that that Miss Manners is [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► trying to like rob you of your comfort [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► you know this is the this is this it's a [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► it's it's social libertarianism in a way [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► like a good way to put it [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► yeah it is like it is then kind of like [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► the person who is not only talking [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► really really really loud into their [TS]

01:05:16 ◼   ► into their mobile phone but that talking [TS]

01:05:18 ◼   ► really loud in their mobile phone kind [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► of feels like they know exactly what [TS]

01:05:22 ◼   ► they did they're doing they are on [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► purpose trying to have a conversation [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► that everybody will have to hear for [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► whatever reason right right although I [TS]

01:05:32 ◼   ► got into a big fight with a guy in a [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► hotel lobby one time who was sitting it [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► was one of those one of those loveseat [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► kind of hotel couches where I'm sitting [TS]

01:05:42 ◼   ► with my back to a guy but he's right [TS]

01:05:43 ◼   ► there his head is right almost touching [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► mind sitting on a couch on the other [TS]

01:05:47 ◼   ► side having a very animated phone [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► conversation and I looked around the [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► lobby and everyone else in the lobby is [TS]

01:05:59 ◼   ► sitting quietly reading a book or [TS]

01:06:01 ◼   ► looking at their computer and this guy [TS]

01:06:03 ◼   ► is just to NE and cities not talking [TS]

01:06:07 ◼   ► about anything [TS]

01:06:08 ◼   ► he's just talking loud and I and I [TS]

01:06:12 ◼   ► leaned back and I said hey guy could you [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► take your phone conversation outside [TS]

01:06:16 ◼   ► because look around no one else is [TS]

01:06:18 ◼   ► talking it's quiet lobby who hate crime [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► and he was a young guy you know young [TS]

01:06:26 ◼   ► enough in his twenties [TS]

01:06:28 ◼   ► and he was it was like I it was like I [TS]

01:06:36 ◼   ► said something about his family her and [TS]

01:06:42 ◼   ► he did get up and leave but not out of [TS]

01:06:44 ◼   ► politeness he got up and left because he [TS]

01:06:47 ◼   ► he felt like he was being assaulted and [TS]

01:06:51 ◼   ► um anyway you know he went and stood [TS]

01:06:55 ◼   ► outside and like glared at me through [TS]

01:06:57 ◼   ► the window but like kind of a little bit [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► scared but really mostly mad because I [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► said get that free time to try haha it's [TS]

01:07:08 ◼   ► like it's like photosynthesis to me [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► look Claire my precious collect [TS]