Roderick on the Line

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00:00:23 ◼   ► hello hi John hi Merlin is going all man [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► take a look at my life [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► normal ah like you [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► mmm-mmm-mmm right mm-hmm is a sports [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► writer what Neil Young's father he was a [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► Canadian sports writer didn't know that [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► yes yeah well I'm not sure why he would [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► tell his dad about me someone to love [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► the whole night through but there's [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► Canada you know there are very [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► disclosing people hard to know what you [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► supposed to tell your dad [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► oh god that neil young though I think [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► about him a lot [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► yeah what do you think about well you [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► know he is one of those he is very [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► affecting i totally agree [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► he is one of the songwriters in my very [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► small canon of people that I just go [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► whatever you do is okay by me and and I [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► think I was embarrassed a little bit [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► when he became sort of a grunge cause [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► celeb for a slab was he already in your [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► pants down at that point 0 from the [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► moment I heard him [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► yeah you know like back in the seventies [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► I was like what is that team in sound I [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► used to have really mixed feelings when [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► i was at that kind of high school age [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► when I first was exposed to a lot of [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► young i have mixed feelings because I [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► would think every song plays on acoustic [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► guitar sounds so pretty and then he does [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► that weird one no guitar solo and now I [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► think it's pretty genius [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► uh yeah I thought I I wasn't so sure [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► about the 1i get a 10 guitar solo but [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► but then I started playing one note [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► guitar solos through and they are great [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► fun to play really fun but but yeah you [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► know the the moment of real conversions [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► for me with Neil Young was nineteen [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► eighty maybe and I mean I had grown up [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► hearing his music of course all of the [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► classics veo our tracks right but 1980 I [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► I I spot I i got hip to his like weird [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► rockabilly record [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► oh yeah everybody's rockin uh-huh and [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► and I liked it I liked it just sort of [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► instinctively in that that was back in [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► the one-dollar record bin error that [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► we've talked about before [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► yeah like trans and landing on water or [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► in the nice price bin [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► yeah pretty much until they stop being a [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► nice price band and that's the thing [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► trans so I got I got the rockabilly [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► record and i was like i like this and [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► then I got trans and I liked it and it's [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► so different [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► really and of course I will I liked [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► reactor that was one of my first ever [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► another first-ever dollar been records [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► and so I was like this guy makes [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► everything he makes all kinds of music [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► and I like it all [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► yeah i really liked trans the the [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► vocoder stuff uh connected with me when [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► I was a little kid in the back story on [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► yeah it's trying to communicate with his [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► son an interesting it's really [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► fascinating but so by the time you know [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► pearl jam was like wheeling him out [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► reviews even imagine coming out on a [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► supermarket dolly how my my I was like [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► ah come on this is gross like I don't [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► want to [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► this isn't fun although when i think [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► about it now [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► he was probably be the age then that i [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► am now that this are turning this during [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► the Pearl Jam era and it was like oh [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► why's the old man up there hate thinking [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► those thoughts he's he's very [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► interesting to me because there's some [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► there's certain songwriters and [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► performers that you know illicit very [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► strong feelings for people and you know [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► I think of people like I guess Dylan in [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► particular i guess maybe Paul McCartney [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► to an extent but people who [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► people have extremely strong feelings [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► about like this one record they did is [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► probably one of the greatest things ever [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► made in this other record they did is [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► like the worst thing i've ever heard and [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► that you can hold both those thoughts in [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► your head and you know the thing about [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► you young like the liner like you know i [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► guess like Springsteen to an extent but [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► whoever whoever you you accounting this [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► pantheon people who are contrarians [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► especially Dylan I love a contrarian i [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► love somebody who's like you think you [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► got me figured out you got me figured [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► out and then second like it continued [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► along those lines to just be unflappable [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► about doing whatever they want to do [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► next and just going well that's the [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► thing it's going to be a thing about the [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► Iraq war and it's gonna be a lot of [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► people singing in a bar that's just the [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► thing it's gonna be looking here Neil [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► Young was 45 my current age in 1990 how [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► you're kidding [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► literally he was about the age I am now [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► when he came out with this notes for you [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► is that right [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► it was just like oh what's up Gramps is [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► that that's the line this is the title [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► track is the advertising song and then [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► oh I guess is rockin in the free world [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► the title track for thanks oh well you [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► also know that's that's 1989 right well [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► so what would 89 around that time was [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► when he came out with that crazy many [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► crazy horse record and writing that [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► record he was literally younger than me [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► when a he wrote rockin in the free world [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► that doesn't that seems like some kind [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► of sci-fi portal thing that doesn't seem [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► possible [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► you know he was already he was already [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► like profoundly classic artist he thinks [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► that he was in Buffalo Springfield when [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► he was I think like 19 and then evaluate [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► him well [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► see that's how that sound meal works I'm [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► telling you man getting that what to [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► call that triple album he had of [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► greatest hits came out like 76 not the [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► other one with the guitar case guitar [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► cases the cover and but the thing was he [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► was like he was pretty famous by the [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► time he was like 23 yeah [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► are the the on the beach whenever you [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► feel about on the beach i'm not super [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► familiar with it is it that's after that [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► trilogy [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► I know I know I know tonight's the night [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► now and I don't know on the beach well [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► but every one of them is a little [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► journey you know I mean when you free [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► but he opened your heart to it and like [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► there's something amazing on every one [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► of them and you know when your heart [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► with the key i like that such a lonely [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► number arms a time and then awesome a [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► lot of love song [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► the guy does it all that's a nice song i [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► was thinking yesterday about the Beatles [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► yeah i was too and I was realizing that [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► all that will two things all of that [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► music hall stuff that Paul McCartney was [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► putting in the later beetles that lennon [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► was so mad about being corny it's granny [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► music random music that music is was [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► essentially the same distance from them [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► as the Beatles are from us [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► yeah that's one of my favorite games the [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► plans you know [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► well yeah I like to play that yeah I [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► there should be an official Navy which [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► is called The Beatles game [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► mm which is to take whatever that we [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► would it was called seven years right so [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► they're their first major British hits [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► were and I think 63 seven years seven [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► years so that's that's that's you know [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► he always the age of my daughter [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► 2006-2007 till now there's cheese in my [TS]

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00:09:50 ◼   ► Roderick on the line we could not do it [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► without them but also yeah right the [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► beatles game but it's also liked the [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► Beatles were x years old when x LOL i [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► net and then but the other thing when i [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► started thinking about the Music Hall [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► business and I realized that first I was [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► talking to our good friend Shawn Nelson [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► about this lennon was so upset and how [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► how McCarty was so cheesy [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► so corny but McCartney's corniness is [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► that is the element that makes the later [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► Beatles music so sinister sounding [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► Maxwell's silver hammer everything will [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► you even Martha my dear it feel it feels [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► like I mean that's a song I mean Paul [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► McCartney is corny that's the song he [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► wrote about his dog right in the style [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► of his grandmother's me [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► sick but it it when it comes on the the [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► the stereo the first time here like what [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► are these madmen doing like it it was [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► the element that I mean up way more than [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► your blues it was the Martha my dear [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► that made that record seem like that [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► like it was insane and that they were [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► insane and that this was the thought [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► that it was a a an acid drenched psycho [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► future they are like down George on [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► piggies [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► yeah like beyond mannered right and and [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► and how Lennon in his narrowness could [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► have failed to see failed to appreciate [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► that his idea of what avant-garde was [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► namely you know just like the the most [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► sort of the most obvious version of [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► challenging as Sean said you know [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► Yoko basically like the very obvious [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► version of avant-garde out ray freak [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► freaky stuff and he had 11 somehow [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► failed to see that it was it was it was [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► really the juxtaposition of that against [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► this like McCartney like nany music that [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► makes the beetles still and made them [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► then so scary you know like the Beatles [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► are still scary in a way I don't think I [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► don't think Lennon I mean out in the [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► harris like John Lennon but I don't [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► think he would come up with a lot of [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► that stuff on his own and as you know [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► QED as we discussed before Paul does not [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► get credit for how much of the banana [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► stuff he brought especially in there [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► really they're amazing years like how [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► much of the stuff was not just his [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► facility with like show tunes in Pan [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► Alley songwriting and knowing how to do [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► interesting terms of according to John [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► John play blues guitar he's a blues [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► guitar [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► I mean he could play you know he's a [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► great guitar player but Paul was the one [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► that had the mind for figuring out what [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► you could do with all that stuff just by [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► himself I think John [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► which is play screeching blues all day [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► long Yeah Yeah right right yeah right [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► and and he's angry so he makes angry [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► sounding music on the nose yeah he's [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► frustrated so as we wrote a frustrated [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► sounding song he is feeling feeling [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► sarcastic so sarcastic song and you know [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► and it's anybody's guess whether Paul [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► McCartney has any of those emotions [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► because he is such a such a muppet [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► that's exactly the word I was thinking I [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► do you think how much you think of that [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► is persona because he seems like he's [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► always on always on [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► yeah absolutely always on like he wakes [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► up he wakes up goes in the bathroom [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► looks at me and goes the moving the roof [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► and you're just like fuck you should [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► just turn it off but who knows I mean I [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► this is the thing about oh my god here [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► we go this is the thing about happy [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► that's right that's that's so [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► insufferable the analogies you mean this [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► is the songs that but it's like it's [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► it's a it's an adjective for for a [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► chorus and then there's there's mostly [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► just a lot of analogies is the olympics [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► haha back at like a hexagon wrench [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► without a focus wagon like that you know [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► I i like that song it's a big hit in our [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► house is that right now yeah my daughter [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► loves it to me and despicable me 2 movie [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► o.o you're not talking about the we're [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► gonna talk about the Keith Richards song [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► have I'm sorry that you're talking about [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► the guy the armies had all the the feral [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► ya know I that would it would be a long [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► road all you talk about power down and [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► to keep me happy that the background [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► yeah i'm sorry i'll cut all of that out [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► that's super confusing I'm sorry John [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► you just thought i had a stroke [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► oh it's ok I i started to get started to [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► get the picture because you know I do i [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► do go on the internet so I've heard [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► people talking about it [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► you must learn about these things on the [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► dark web there must be you hear about [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► happy it's out there [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► yeah well not only that but i think the [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► Oscars on the dark web [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► I who knows could say the part of yeah [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► that's right [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► I'm not at liberty to say that the i2i [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► live tweeted the grammys this year not [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► for myself but under contract for the [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► talkhouse website and so i was i was [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► watching the grammys but I had never [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► heard any of the songs so they're like [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► yeah it's getting more like that every [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► year for me [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► here's the grammy award goes to sterile [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► and he spell his name of the song happy [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► and I was like wow you know amazing [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► don't care [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► the the best joke I heard about Farrell [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► was that the that he wears that hat to [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► to distract us from the fact that he [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► looks like a cartoon hand like a pink [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► panther style and yeah yeah yeah but you [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► know what you can see that now haha no [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► but i but but but I i was even referred [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► you're up there in Grampa mode just to [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► hey I didn't this is R&B gal is making a [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► big hit [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► oh look at her boy that dress is sure [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► something [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► no I was talking about even more [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► generally the idea of happiness [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► oh you're going up [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► yeah that's right Paul McCartney's [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► version of like irrepressible happy a [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► you know like go-getter ism loose you [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► know he's like a he's like a member of [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► Junior Achievement yeah and-and-and you [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► know i'm i'm intrinsically suspicious of [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► happy that was always was or were you [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► all were you are you absolutely [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► sighs happy yeah I mean for me it's it's [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► a little nuance but yeah I may have said [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► this a lot of times but i am basically [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► suspicious of people primarily i am i'm [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► a little suspicious of people who seem [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► happy all the time but i'm super [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► suspicious who talked about how happy [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► they are all the time I think those [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► people are like they're you talk about a [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► bottle up and explode type situation [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► yeah you know what I mean like its it [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► you know it's that's manic well I always [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► come back to that picture of McCartney [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► during the recording of let it be [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► sitting at the mixing desk with his like [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► you know his attention fully focused on [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► the knobs his hands there on the desk [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► George Martin is relegated to the [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► shadows of he'll stick here is that [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► shooting bitches [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► he's McCartney's got all of us get [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► Linda's they're all the hangers on radio [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► Ringo's sitting in a chair somewhere and [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► Paul's finally in charge and he looks so [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► happy to be there but also like it's in [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► a way it's where he belongs like it was [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► only it was only radical because it was [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► that was the first time it ever happened [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► that the artist would self be [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► self-producing and now in light of where [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► we came like right Paul McCartney was [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► the first one really to sit down in the [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► in the the first one who wasn't an [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► auteur an outsider and the first pop guy [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► to like take the chair and start moving [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► the knobs and you love him in that [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► picture you love him in that moment even [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► knowing that Lenin is nodding off in the [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► other room having turned to heroin to [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► mask his is seething hatred of Paul you [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► go sit in George's chair right George [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► hate that scene so it's George's walking [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► up and down the hallway rehearsing his I [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► quit speech he's always gonna be the [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► youngest one you know he's always going [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► to be the little kid and you know and [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► and and Ringo is just like happy two [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► billion but also like you get the sense [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► even Ringo no I mean watch that movie [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► its and this is another reason why I [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► mean who knows how much the trust in [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► that movie but i mean it's it's that [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► it's you know I think pockets of a bad [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► rap is first of all I mean I'm not sure [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► of in the pre wings era [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► are there that many songs that you can [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► put out there's a beatles song that are [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► really just about being happy [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► I mean if they are there's always [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► there's always a little bit of maybe [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► just the John contributions but there's [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► always a glint of cynicism somewhere [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► inside of all that even on like you know [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► a good day sunshine or whatever I mean [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► but you know it's not like Paul just [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► wrote about you know being happy but the [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► thing that I just want to can't just go [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► by is i'm watching a movie in a while [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► because i actually do find it very [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► difficult to watch [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► it's excruciating it is really really [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► painful that that even got out there's a [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► reason it's hard to find now because [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► it's really hard to watch [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► nobody comes off looking very good but [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► you know the part because i think [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► because of that movie and maybe [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► interviews and stuff Paul got the [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► reputation of being the guy that [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► everybody thought was oh he's always the [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► cheery guy who's like being super [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► annoying and telling us what to do but [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► you know he's trying to hold it together [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► he was I mean I just got the feeling and [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► watching that he was not trying to be a [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► dick he was he was trying really hard to [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► keep the band together and and find a [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► way to make it work now he was trying to [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► do that but he also like a as Shawn [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► Nelson ultimate Beatles Authority said [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► so eloquently like the competition [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► between John and Paul took two took the [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► shape of John you know stuff like [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► sneering at Paul but Paul's response was [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► like who [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► how many songs if you go through 50 [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► that's good but I've got 25 like he was [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► I mean John was practically I mean he [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► would it wasn't the point where he's [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► just whispering the Yoko he wasn't [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► speaking to them [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► oh yeah no job is the worst yeah but you [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► sleep is not trying very hard [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► he wasn't trying very hard but you know [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► like I think about in your think about [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► in your relationships or work situations [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► when a thing is dying or one thing is [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► like really broken and the one guy who's [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► like cheerfully trying to keep it all [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► together [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► yeah by like you know bye-bye doing all [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► the work and being the cheerleader like [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► the worst guy [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► yeah and especially because and this is [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► not just about probably whoever that [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► character is it has been me [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► it's also that that person is clearly [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► ignoring the vibe that everybody else is [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► feeling which is that we don't [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► get along and we're not acknowledging [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► that and that's not making it better [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► no that's crazy-making right so yeah [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► Paul boy [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► Oh Paul alright just can't I just don't [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► want to revisit thinking about Paul [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► McCartney anymore although all the all [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► the many many many hours of my life [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► wondering about what's going on inside [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► Paul's head i don't i am you know I am I [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► remember when I when I did finally see [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► let it be and I don't know I've never [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► been a fan of yonas work and I've always [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► thought she seemed like kind of an [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► annoying personality and I I very much i [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► have to say i'm not proud of this but I [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► bought into the idea that she was a very [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► divisive factor in the band but what a [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► lot of people who are bigger bills fans [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► and meet pointed out that I get now but [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► talk about a fun eh thing [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► how many years were the Beatles what's [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► the word I'm looking for functional and [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► I can I don't just say happy but I mean [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► you think about even if you go up [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► through say revolver even by revolver [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► John is starting to withdraw they're all [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► pretty high a lot of the time which is [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► probably kind of fun but I you know I [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► doubt that sergeant pepper was that much [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► of like an exciting group effort every [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► day there weren't I mean they talk and [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► probably all talked about this at one [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► point was why it was so great to do [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► happiness is a warm gun happening that's [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► the song that made them want to do a [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► little reality they want to like bring [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► back the fact that we can rock out as a [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► bad because it was the first time for [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► everything actually recorded kind of [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► written and recorded a song together and [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► played together because everything up [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► till then and i'll just been pieces and [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► parts and didn't want to be in the room [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► so the fun eh they talk about of those [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► seven years how many of those years were [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► they like maybe two and even during [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► those two years they're exhausted really [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► travel and play live from 59 know like [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► the right [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► the amount of time they were really up [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► inside each others butts yeah I mean I'm [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► playing fast and loose but only because [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► like that the time that they were in the [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► national and somewhat definitely [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► European consciousness would be 62 63 [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► yeah so I 65 it was already all the [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► beatles on top of the world they're like [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► they got to be the happiest guys in the [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► world but didn't have a minute to [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► themselves they were just constantly [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► there put out three albums a year ago I [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► know and shaggin birds singing birds [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► look at that beater beatles for sale [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► record they do not look like happy [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► campers know and one of the songs [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► reflect that they were there they get [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► more cynical they get a little darker [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► when you were 26 where you a happy [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► camper [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► no I don't know that camping has ever [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► been all that happy I was not a happy [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► camper at 26 a terrible time it's a [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► really terrible time 26 hard times now [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► it is it's it's funny because it's a I [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► mean nothing can be worse than puberty [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► in a lot of ways but there's something [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► peculiarly something that makes you I I [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► think I most people probably feel more [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► like a failure for one reason or another [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► by the time they're 27 than any other [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► time you 20 times that magic age where [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► everybody dies it's the quarter life [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► crisis there's all those Saturn's return [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► all those different things that people [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► have names for this but all I know is [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► that like everybody feels like some part [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► of their life is completely fucked up [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► when the 27 I'm never going to make [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► enough money [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► I'm never gonna find somebody who loves [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► me for who i am i'm never gonna make the [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► great i'm never gonna be a millionaire [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► before I'm 30 all those different things [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► 27 around 27 25 to 28 is when those [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► things really start to hit you is that [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► first is that I think it's the first [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► really incontrovertible wave of I can't [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► do everything the way I want anymore [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► yeah the doors are even very very [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► quietly gently at a distance starting to [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► close and you first start becoming aware [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► of it [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► yeah even if you're an even if you're [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► really successful I don't know this is a [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► hobbyhorse in mind but I've talked about [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► in other places a lot but I think about [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► some other podcast we maybe yeah maybe [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► myself but you know it's really easy to [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► look at anybody else and think that [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► they're living the life of Riley and [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► it's or that they there [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► let's put it this way especially and [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► this will bring us back to work on the [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► line [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► it's really easy look anybody else who [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► has something that you don't think that [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► the first of all they probably got it [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► bye Guyler theft in a way you you [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► deserve to know nor yeah privilege if [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► you like and and everybody else has that [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► you don't and there are compared [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► completely who could feel sympathy for [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► John [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► and in 1966 you know I mean when you [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► look at it from outside but they can't [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► imagine like having like you can't even [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► walk around in public and when you do [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► there's photos of you on every magazine [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► about like your life like that'sthat's [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► hell no but yeah I don't know you think [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► about that while I mean what do you [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► think what do you think they were I mean [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► because they know playing in Hamburg [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► doesn't sound like a cakewalk they were [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► playing like wednesday at some point [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► playing eight hours a day [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► yeah but I mean you know that's the [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► great thing about speed back that's a [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► great thing about being 19 and out in [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► the world is that fear that those doors [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► those doors have not closed there so far [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► in the distance that they seem like they [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► said it seems like you're immortal and [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► you'll live forever and so that kind of [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► hard [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► I mean I you know I because of my [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► because of my dark web work em I'm be in [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► contact with you know some people in [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► their early twenties let's say food [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► tasting tour and let's that's not really [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► something I need to nail him for me and [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► I you know and a lot of ways like I'm [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► always surprised by how how smart they [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► are and how thoughtful they are but [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► every once awhile i do have to sit [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► through like one or two day long [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► some sucking episode we're like god I [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► can't believe it I gotta pay my rent and [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► I gotta look in God with the work all [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► day and I just just not fair and I I [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► think I think that pretty much every day [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► well I know it but I mean don't say it [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► but the other thing is that the reason [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► you don't say it is that you don't [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► expect anybody to be surprised and the [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► one of the fantastic things about being [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► 19 is that you can you can get that when [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► four or five things happen all at once [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► you really do feel like it's the first [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► time it's ever happened it's the first [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► time anybody ever had to like that they [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► know they know enough to know that [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► everybody has to go to work or that [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► everybody sometimes their car breaks [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► clanks exactly last-second or that [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► everybody's mom is a bitch sometimes [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► names but when you know when for those [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► things happen at once [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► that's when the the nineteen-year-old [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► mind when its lack of experience is [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► revealed because they're just like so [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► shocked and at and like want to should [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► want to get come out to the front of [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► their house and shout like I'm mad as [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► because who has ever had to be at work [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► which is already unfair and their car [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► won't start and their moms being a bitch [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► and they don't have any money and yeah [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► there's an end the end their clothes [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► don't fit anymore whatever and you just [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► go like right well everybody and also [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► everybody all the time has experienced [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► that and but that that feeling of like I [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► mean I remember being 19 and enduring [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► what now seems like an astonishing level [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► of discomfort and hurt and being at the [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► time unable to distinguish that from [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► what seemed like an equal amount of [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► discomfort and hurt that it turns out [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► was just normal life right like i was i [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► was sleeping didn't make you feel [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► shelter like he had been sheltered no no [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► I I mean I definitely had been sheltered [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► but the but the problem the problem for [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► me was that I had no i mean i was [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► sleeping outside in city parks and that [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► seemed less or equal that seems either [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► less difficult or equally difficult to [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► just finding figuring out how to use a [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► washing machine right so like the the [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► difficulty of the two things I i had no [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► I had no way to tell them apart and it [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► turns out now from where I said sleeping [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► outside [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► night after night in a city park [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► seems really hard and dangerous and [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► uncomfortable in risky whereas using a [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► washing machine is not hard at all and [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► also like not even onerous it's just [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► what you do but at 19 I couldn't [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► distinguish the difficulty between the [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► two things because using washing machine [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► was completely alien to me I I you know [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► my mom always wash my clothes until i [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► left the house and that you know why I [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► imagine them in hamburg and it's like [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► yeah I'm sure they're playing for set [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► tonight and they're you know they're [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► barely sleeping but that is you know [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► that's no more or less difficult then [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► figuring out how to work an automat from [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► or you know or or whatever like the the [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► simplest thing like taking a letter down [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► to the post office it all seems [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► difficult and and also all seems easy [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► everything's hard until you learn how to [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► do it [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► yeah i mean that's that sounds it's [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► really fast out but it's true [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► everything seems possible because you [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► haven't gotten it and maybe overdue for [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► you to get it but also everything will [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► seem hard and equally hard and [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► especially if it all comes at once I [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► mean it's overwhelming but the idea that [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► the idea of cleaning my house still [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► after all these years I have never [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► resigned myself to it like every time it [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► it seems like a new it's at the the [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► indignation is is fresh every time just [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► like oh my god seriously have to do this [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► again like it's such a waste [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► it's such a wasted effort and better [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► when you have a kick and that's real I i [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► connect immediately back to the [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► sixteen-year-old me it was just like you [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► just it just gets dirty again and [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► so many of those other services soon as [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► your butt but there's value [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► well you doing that thing is washing [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► your butt is fun [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► yeah you know there's a there's pleasure [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► to be had a nice diversion but wash it [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► but like cleaning your bathroom is not [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► fun [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► I'm now that's another the people that [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► the people that really early on in life [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► accepted not just accepted cleaning the [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► bathroom but found a way to make [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► cleaning the bathroom part of their part [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► of like normal life I guess who with no [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► holding onto know like resentment about [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► it I'd I do admire them that seems like [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► a thought technology I'll absolutely and [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► easy easy easy easy analogy and I'm not [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► sayin I'm great at this but the easy [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► analogies brushing your teeth brushing [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► your teeth or for that matter taking a [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► leak [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► um can can be a good example of [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► something more like you're pretty good [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► at taking a leak [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► i'm pretty happy great of brushing your [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► teeth pretty efficient at it i would say [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► but the but you know if you're if you've [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► reached the pro level of brushing your [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► teeth you don't really have to think [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► about it you don't have to plan for it [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► you know worst-case scenario you get a [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► new toothbrush and toothpaste sometimes [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► but it isn't something where you have to [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► wake up every day and ponder whether [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► that's the thing you're going to do [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► unless it is right you're right you're [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► like fuck yourself in talk yourself [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► through your liking commenting coffees [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► another one can you kind of look forward [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► to that but then I mean the that moves [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► out in concentric circles from that then [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► you get to stuff like I gotta put gas in [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► the car [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► it's a pain in the ass to have to keep [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► putting gas in the car but those [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► dependencies you've got to put the gas [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► in the car because the cars would [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► continue to work so that you can buy [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► toothpaste but but I i agree with you [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► cuz there's some things that everybody [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► else seems to have on the brushing their [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► teeth level that I've never gotten too [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► and they might as well be magical to me [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah I'm actually do stuff [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► like rotate their tires and stuff like [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► that i was at a gas station clean clean [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► the house and a guy walks and waiting in [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► line you know they got the guy ahead of [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► me in line is really decked out in some [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► very like [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► he is a he's reppin that he is kind of a [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► fly guy he's got very white trainers on [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► he's wearing a kind of like tracksuit [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► very clean tracksuit a like a fedora of [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► some kind he is you know he is [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► presenting he has come correct and he's [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► he's waiting in line at the gas station [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► and then it's his turn and he says to [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► the guy behind the counter is like five [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► onto pretty like you know pretty [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► confrontation or like not [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► confrontational but like the tone is I'm [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► a big wheel [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► let's get this moving five onto and he [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► turns and walks out [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► it took me a second to realize that what [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► he meant was five dollars worth of gas [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► on pump two over and I was like gasps is [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► four dollars and forty-five cents a [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► gallon five dollars worth the gas really [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► really big wheel is just top it off and [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► and I get so I his mom's mad if he [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► doesn't turn full five onto so I walk [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► out and I walked past and Pete you know [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► and again I see him now pumping this one [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► that one dollar or one gallon with the [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► gas into the car and he is completely [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► correct like really really a steam [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► pressed this guy clean dignified yeah [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► but the car is like an 89 tercel what [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► the one of the back windows is held in [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► with the with the with like electrical [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► tape and in the driver's seat is his [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► girlfriend who clearly is working as [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► either a you know a waitress at shari's [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► or as a you know like she is younger [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► than he is and has that kind of harry [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► reid and raphy look of somebody who [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► maybe is sleeping in her car while she's [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► getting back on her feet and I was like [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► sir you are not correct [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► you have not come correct maybe [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► personally you are correct personally [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► here's your style is taken care of but [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► there are some things you should be [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► taking care of in advance of your style [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► some of that might be that maybe some of [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► the work you could do is replace that [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► back window in the car or some other [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► other things other than whatever kind of [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► like it just it was a it was a it was a [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► great but a classic moment of like hmm [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► if you are pimping you gotta you gotta [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► be pimping in a larger orbit than just [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► going to come correct yeah pimp a little [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► bit further out than the tips of your [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► shoes i guess so I i I've been happy to [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► draw those kinds of contrasts over a [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► long time but I don't know I one of my [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► thought technologies is trying to get a [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► little broader about who's allowed to [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► have dignity because you know in some [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► cases could not because you in this case [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► necessarily but in some cases like I [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► feel like there's like these dignity [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► police out there people who are like out [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► there actively policing like who's [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► allowed to not hate themselves today and [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► it's like you know you're pretty fat for [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► somebody who's happy that you need to [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► you need to check yourself you know I I [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► think that's it's just something it's [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► it's another one of those it's a very [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► like tertiary as you know symptom of our [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► national illness these days but I feel [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► like there is a lot of like you know [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► like there's this idea as an idea in in [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► mindfulness and Buddhism that like it's [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► one thing to feel bad and then it's [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► another thing to feel like it's not okay [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► for you to feel bad and that's where you [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► get fucked up is everybody no no it's [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► not like it but I think it's a guy think [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► it's interesting that technology is to [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► think like you know i'm always I'm [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► always gonna have problems i'm always [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► going to have stress but like when I [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► allow [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► to still feel okay even now I've got [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► problems now I'm not saying he should I [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► should be a not well and I did I take [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► your I take your comment the police [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► I take I take that very well I mean that [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► the guy i think you make a good point [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► and in reflecting on it [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► my beef with this guy was that his 5 on [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► the tone of his five onto was hey little [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► man behind the cash register and get to [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► work because i need 55 onto like he was [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► not if he was in if he was a if he was [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► dressed to the nines I was like my good [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► sir I can only afford five dollars of [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► gas and i'm i'm i'm grateful to be on [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► this planet pretty-pretty with that but [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► they're basically it is don't like span [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► acker hello I would like some gas from [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► you please write but instead you know [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► like he was fronting God and His you [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► know and having come correct there was [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► an element of this this front of like [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► I'm a big shot [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► get out of the way and then you get out [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► to the car and you're like oh right the [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► attitude that I mean the attitude [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► scribble that's that's inexcusable don't [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► act that way i agree with you about the [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► about the my tendency to be part of this [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► larger cultural problem of just walking [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► around in it just it in a constant like [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► basically a Genesis machine of judgment [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► justice divisive just like to clarify [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► i'm not saying I don't do it it's it's [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► something where I mean unless I am [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► mindful about it i'm out there making [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► little micro decisions about everything [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► that lamp Pole stupid and dumb place for [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► a stop sign [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► what's up with that guy's hair like [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► that's that's my mo unless I catch [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► myself oh my God if I i could do an [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► entire television show of the entire [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► television show called what a dumb place [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► for a stop sign [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► like I can't that conversation out loud [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► with myself everyday but fuck is that [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► stop sign doing there what the fuck [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► well I i could fill in your must-see [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► must be Thursday by coming in at [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► eight-thirty with why the fuck is there [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► not a stop sign here [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► well we're there no but there are places [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► in mind [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► neighborhood you know how people drive [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► in my neighborhood and there are places [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► where like you know there's that little [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► park south of our house where the [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► streets kind of terminate right with the [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► park starts and there are no stop signs [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► at the end of the down hill avenue [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► heading towards the park there are no [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► stop signs [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► there are also no stop signs on the [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► cross street and across well and [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► somebody died last week [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► oh no no yeah somebody hit by taxi last [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► week and that's just that's just the [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► thing you know stop signs are costly [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► well there there's an intersection like [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► that right by my house where the [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► arterial not to use technical terms is [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► the one we got in a fight with the [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► Serbian guy and he made a gesture at you [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► yes same one yeah yeah the arterial [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► turns and there is a spur off of the [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► arterial that goes exactly one block [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► there are eight houses down there with a [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► grand total of twenty-two people how [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► many times have you ever seen somebody [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► go in that direction [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► well and that's the thing i can count [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► the number of times it's five times in [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► seven years in the meantime that the the [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► turn is you know that it's there 700 [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► cars a day make this turn but the turn [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► requires that they go across you know [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► like like go out into what would what [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► would be oncoming traffic if that was a [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► through Road but what's amazing to me is [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► that the that that that those 20 people [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► who live down that spur road and you see [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► them do it like they drive 40 miles an [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► hour through that intersection without [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► looking left or right because they're [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► asserting the fact that they have the [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► because their street is straight the [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► direction they're going in his straight [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► so therefore they don't need to look you [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► should look you should look out for them [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► there's no sign of any kind no yield [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► sign and so they feel like they have the [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► right-of-way and and I every time it [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► happens I look and I'm like you may [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► technically have the right away if a cop [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► if there was an accident and a cop was [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► here the cop would have very little [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► choice but to say well this person was [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► dry [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► going straight and so it's the person [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► who's turning who has the responsibility [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► but it's kind of a blind corner over and [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► what I want to say to each one of these [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► people i want to go down and leave a [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► flyer on every doorstep in that [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► neighborhood that on that one block [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► street is like the the fact that you [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► technically have the right-of-way does [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► not change does not mean that you live [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► in a bubble of safety right [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► the law does not is not going to protect [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► you from causing an accident and it [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► would be you causing an accident to go [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► hurtling through this i like it like [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► that my daughter like when you're dead [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► doesn't matter is right right and I got [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► into a confrontation with somebody I [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► mean what we might have even talked [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► about it [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► confrontation with somebody where I was [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► I was backing into a parking spot on a [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► busy street and the guy comes in likes [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► wax the back of my car because he [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► decided he was crossing mid-block at [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► that point and cheese as I'm backing [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► into parties about checking my left [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► mirror checking my rear view mirror [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► checking the side mirror looking at the [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► back window [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► I failed to also account for the fact [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► that a guy might be might a pedestrian [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► might decide to cross behind up a car [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► that's parking and he was upset because [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► because in his world pedestrians have [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► the right away [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► well they do the right away unless [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► they're breaking the fucking law [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► well but in seattle there is this you [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► cross in the middle of the street and [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► hit somebody's car that's kinda lame [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► it's very confusing the law in Seattle [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► because technically I think or or or [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► rather the common understanding among [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► pedestrians in seattle is that they have [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► the ultimate right-of-way that's just [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► the Pope well and and every pedestrian [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► in seattle believes he or she is the [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► Pope and when I was a when I in the many [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► years that I didn't have a car i walked [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► around Seattle with a very Imperial [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► sense that the pedestrian was God in [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► seattle and you see it it's very [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► confusing to people from other places [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► because cars will often stopped to let a [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► pedestrian cross [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► in them in mid block in the middle of a [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► busy street at the in the peak of the [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► day like somebody just standing there on [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► the side of the road and looking around [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► not even looking like they want to cross [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► the street just standing there looking [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► around and a Seattle driver will come to [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► a stop and wait for this person to [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► indicate what their plan is right and [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► it's just like that so that is part of [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► the culture got that'sthat's good [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► culture it is especially as it [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► encourages eye contact about what's [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► going to happen next [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► it's it's it's it's fantastic but the [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► problem is it is not universally [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► practiced by your side [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► yeah and the law is I think the law is [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► that if you're standing on the sidewalk [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► cars can go but if you step into the [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► street looking like you're going to [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► cross you actually the cars actually do [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► have to yield to you [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► the only people who routinely do not [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► practice this are the police like you I [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► multiple times and my mom has written a [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► thousand angry letters to the editor [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► she's never published but you step into [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► the into the crosswalk [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► look you know trying to make eye contact [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► with the oncoming car and if it's a cop [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► they can tell vroom yeah they just blow [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► it blow through without you know you [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► know we get that here you know because [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► they're very important people the police [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► and they're probably on their way to [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► something important with the lights off [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► yeah with their lights often like you [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► know there's there there there tie loose [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► or whatever they're they're on their way [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► to stare out there on their way to their [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► break anyway so so with in seattle [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► culture and a many many many many many [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► times I would walk out into the street [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► cause cause I a driver to need to like [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► not stand on it but like break when he [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► was not anticipating breaking and then [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► as I'm walking across I'm just [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► eyeballing him like because i was 26 and [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► I didn't understand how hard it was to [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► wash your clothes every day and I what I [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► didn't understand was that if if he were [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► to touch me with his bumper there would [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► be a problem [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► it would be his problem but now as a [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► driver you know I encounter on a fairly [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► regular basis people with us with a [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► similar attitude who are just mistaken [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► about they may not be mistaken that if [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► this went to trial that they would [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► prevail but they are mistaken in [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► thinking bet they are protected from [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► injury and that they aren't like causing [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► a problem like a like a like a major [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► problem for the city by acting like [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► they're bulletproof and acting like the [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► you know like if if a driver has just [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► like Skid to avoid hitting you because [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► you decided that this was the moment you [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► wanted to you wanted to assert [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► pedestrian a predominance or whatever [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► preeminence here it's not a safe [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► situation right so I see that a lot and [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► I and it's on the list of lectures that [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► I want to give when i get when i finally [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► install the the police bullhorn in my [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► car [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► that's one of the reasons no one should [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► be allowed to drive until the 30 because [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► his hormones are going to lead you to do [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► a lot of dumb stuff [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► oh this is a good plan we've never [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► talked about this plan well I have been [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► i think i'd love to dovetail with you on [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► this because i think i might have a [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► pretty exhaustive and persuasive theory [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► about how how the pedestrian and the [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► motorist might be able to get along [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► better [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► so drivers life or infinitive on all [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► sides let me assure you you have to you [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► have to wait until you're 30 to get a [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► driver's license and got to practice [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► privately for the 14 years preceding [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► that you have to go somewhere you pay [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► your on a track in a controlled [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► environment is a gun tower and you have [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► to show that you can drive like a [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► gentleman and then at 60 years old [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► you have to start let's say yeah let's [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► say sixty 60 years only making the [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► weekends at 60 you have to start going [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► to quarterly a like passing quarterly [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► tests agility test to like maybe we have [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► to do like an obstacle course you get [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► pop quizzes people just show up here in [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► your house and test yet [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► and then it's 70 it goes to once a month [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► right and then it's 75 they just take [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► your keys away in your in your writing [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► on the old people bus i I'm a very [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► defensive pedestrian in the same way [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► that we were taught to be defensive [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► drivers and which means which means I [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► just I take it very seriously and [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► especially after I walked around with my [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► kid because it's not this is super [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► boring but when he got on so well you [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► know our neighborhood is all pretty much [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► there's tons of four-way stops which [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► means as you know what I'm opposed to [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► well here's the problem if you put five [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► stop signs more or less in a row you [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► know what that means people going to [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► blow through them i know i'm not a fan [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► of four-way stops before he stops to [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► have an unimpeachable logic to them [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► whether it's good for traffic or not is [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► different but there's no question what [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► you do at a four-way stop [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► it's really simple everybody stops full [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► stop whoever got their first goes right [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► whichever whichever whichever car got [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► there to steps on first thing first [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► unless you gather at the same time than [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► the one on the right goes first [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► this is this is a blah right but [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► although although what happens at a [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► four-way stop in America or with a lot [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► of people is a bellingham a little bit [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► well or they assume that it's a four-way [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► stop so the other three people are going [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► to stop this this is this is why what [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► I'm getting to is the ultimate lesson in [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► civics that I have for my daughter after [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► keep moving and get out of the way is to [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► understand how would an analogy the [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► four-way stop is for like how we live [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► together where it's like you know if [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► everybody like nobody loves stopping at [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► a stop sign [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► it's a real pain because you've got to [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► stop the car you're not getting there is [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► fast but if everybody stops at that [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► four-way stop and honors those rules [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► that I just laid out which I think are [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► pretty nearly universal everything will [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► be fine [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► the problem is neither be does that [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► still if 99% of people do that that [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► means one out of a hundred people is [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► going to blow through that stop sign and [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► you know what I have to tell you [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► honestly things will be fine day and [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► actually disturbing amount of the time a [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► sad amount of the time everything will [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► be fine because this is one asshole [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► it's not honoring what everybody else [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► does but because they're honoring it [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► they're still stop while this guy flies [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► through it so right and he's a special [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► guy you know always a real special gun [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► special so nobody died for a while [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► unless he didn't see them or something [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► the problem comes becomes when more than [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► more than a couple people think that's [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► okay and that's to 2nd tying to special [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► guys [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► yep exactly and that's kind of to me [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► that's a pretty good lesson in civics [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► works but in any case it does not change [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► the fact that we did the right thing [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► that we stop here and you make eye [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► contact and you look and and you drive [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► you drive and walk in a way that is [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► alert and so like to me like the eye [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► contact thing in the hand gesture thing [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► the nice hand gesture thing is a really [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► good thing [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► okay let's try this John Rother i get to [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► a stop sign somebody sees my daughter [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► died waiting there like I treat myself [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► like a car i wait if they're there i [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► give them the wave and then please go [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► right ahead and then they gave me this [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► ok night and i say i don't think then [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► they give you that they get me the more [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► aggressive like no I'm later you go [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► never ever take the wave and walk [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► through the crosswalk because they can't [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► see what you see [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► yeah yeah well different you know yeah [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► when people can people when people do [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► that when they know when they're like no [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► you go i always take out my phone that's [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► just start looking at Twitter III then [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► the one time i will make eye contact up [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► to the point where I want them to go and [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► they're actually i don't see them and [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► I'll stare all talk to my daughter way [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► for them to go well then this is the [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► this is why i think that the four-way [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► stops should just be they all for the [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► stop sign should go away because you [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► know in a situation where it's a [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► four-way stop technically that is a [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► four-way stop it might as well if [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► there's no signal it's a four-way stop [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► that's right and and so what what [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► happens with what happens with the 4-way [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► stop is it lulls people into thinking [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► that that some super authority is in [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► charge [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► thanks Obama thanks Obama that's right [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► whereas I a four-way uncontrolled [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► intersection everybody is personally [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► responsible and slender down there could [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► be watching their that's right and so [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► you know so they may not stop but [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► everybody's shit lookin out [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► yeah going into a four-way uncontrolled [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► intersection and ultimately that's your [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► point that's what they should you know [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► what you want is everybody's complete [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► attention and and stop signs create [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► create a an environment where over time [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► people just get lulled into into a state [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► of like duh [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► i'll send you a link to a PDF that I [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► think you will find very interesting [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► only see probably you know i love links [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► to PDF well especially if it's about the [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► project to try and make our streetcar [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► line faster and more efficient and then [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► changes that they will be making which [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► are somewhat fascinating in a little bit [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► scary but I'm glad to see them putting [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► some thought into it i'm very excited as [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► your student this you go and you do [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► something a couple dozen times and [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► pretty soon you're like you're like an [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► associate professor of that topic right [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► that's right you know how to make this [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► thing better I know how to make the walk [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► the line at walgreens better [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► that's right right I i could do I don't [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► know you got the will to power walgreens [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► should pay you a million dollars a year [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► like they're paying Jeb Bush for [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► whatever is everything speak well no [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► it's not walgreens it's Barclays but [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► somebody's paying Jeb Bush a million [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► dollars a year i should be on some kind [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► of walgreens retainer for sure but i [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► think there might be some traffic [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► calming coming which is one of those [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► things where you can get that done right [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► I just hope we don't lose our stop sign [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► I like our stop sign yeah traffic [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► calming I know that's that starts to [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► think it starts to feel like it's the it [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► is the it's the local transportation [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► boards version of public housing we're [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► trying to solve a problem with a by [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► creating like 20 more problems [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► yeah yeah it's a you know it's it's a [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► classic liberal idea it's almost like [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► let me help you get a I know you need [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► work so I'm going to get you a job [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► working in fast food we have to own a [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► car to get there and you make a college [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► that will help you and and you have to [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► live an hour and a half away because [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► because because change can't afford to [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► live in the city [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► well i was i was a i was walking around [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► the other day and I and I and I stopped [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► a train track to let train go by and I [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► was watching the train and I was [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► thinking about the trains in America and [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► I was like you know what the trains in [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► America needs some reform I have a I [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► have a big plan [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► I have a big I have a big picture I mean [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► I'm just standing here watching this one [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► train go by but in the course of that 10 [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► minutes of waiting i developed a very a [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► pretty big comprehensive picture of [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► trains in America and what I thought the [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► problems were and how I needed to reform [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► them and so I'm out for a walk and now [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► i'm in train reform mode and so I [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► started you know so i started [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► daydreaming I start fantasizing about [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► like what would it take for me to be in [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► it in a position where my trend reforms [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► could really be enacted with whatever [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► jumping ahead to ask if you could lay [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► out a little bit about the problem space [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► as you see it in in leading up to your [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► trainer for programmer sure well so have [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► you had what you had eight or ten [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► minutes to sit there [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► yeah so scared to training things so the [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► trains you know the reason that that the [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► the trains were built a big part of it [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► was that the the the federal government [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► granted the railroads all these enormous [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► land grants that not only enabled them [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► to build the railroads because of course [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► they needed the land but the the federal [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► government granted them tremendous land [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► around the railroads that they were you [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► know that was the that was their [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► incentive to build the railroads because [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► once they built the railroads than they [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► were in the land business is a pretty [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► good deal they owned the land around [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► little building in a kind of [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► checkerboard pass you could put the [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► train where you want and then make a [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► town [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► well no like we need you did we need you [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► to build the train out to San Francisco [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► but we're not going to expect you two to [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► make this a tremendous capital [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► investment and then just be the guys who [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► are trying to make that money back by [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► selling train tickets like I mean this [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► is the plot of every Western I mean [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► every other western right was like well [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► the train's coming through but there you [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► know but they're running it and running [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► around the towels girl or racially [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► sensitive municipally minded Western [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► yeah right exactly [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► this is the this is the Western where [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► the problem is that you know that the [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► judge is corrupt not the natalie wood [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► was kidnapped right anyway so the [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► railroads became the rarest became very [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► rich and the railroads that and became [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► rich off of the public [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► I'm basically off of the public like and [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► this is the great thing about federal [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► land grants or federal grazing rights or [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► federal water rights or all these [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► federal grants that were initially made [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► by the government as an incentive for [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► somebody to go turn the Southern [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► California desert into strawberry farms [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► or you know or build a dam or whatever [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► it is the federal government wanted you [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► to do they they they pay they paid you [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► in land so often land and resources [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► rights which people immediately think of [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► as that God gave them those things right [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► and that those land grants and rights to [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► resources and land are something like us [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► something at age-old and with a you know [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► like this whole business of this Yahoo [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► down in in Nevada who feels like his [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► right to graze cattle on [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► right to graze cattle on [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► federal land is some some god-given [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► right you know and it's a very common [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► it's very common thing in and so many of [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► the oil companies and mining companies [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► timber companies railroads the farmers [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► like they're all being subsidized by the [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► government by the federal government but [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► they act they believe not just act they [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► believe that those grants are some are [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► something that preceded the government [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► and that the government has no right to [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► administrate I guess anyway so the so [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► we're in a situation now where the [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► railroad I mean like these a 2.2 say let [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► me see your kid that's a privilege not a [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► right like they feel like it's the right [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► oh they absolutely it's not a freebie [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► they were lucky enough to lottery their [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► way into it's something they should have [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► gotten sooner probably yeah and and then [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► they can point to the fact that they [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► earned it you know the railroads earned [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► it because in 1860 some some like [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► corporate forefather of theirs built a [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► railroad although that was a subsidized [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► process to it's not like any of those [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► guys were actually out [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► hammering spikes mean that was like they [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► were paying they were paying chinese and [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► and Italian people like a penny a day to [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► do it like there's the the idea that the [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► idea that it's a right is not something [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► that they feel it is they they know it [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► is a right it is they have made sure [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► over the over a hundred and fifty years [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► that they have enshrined in the law [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► multiple times that it's a right so that [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► every congressman they had in their [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► pocket over the last hundred fifty years [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► has introduced a new layer of [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► legislation that enshrines it Alec [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► disney and copyright yeah right i mean [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► like you got this thing that one time [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► that we should get that forever [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► is it absolutely and so so Burlington [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► Northern or a you know [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► santafe railroad or whatever these [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► companies which are which are like [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► corporate entities that have [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► that have absorbed 25 smaller railroads [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► and it's all changed hands a thousand [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► times and it was owned by Monsanto at [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► one point and you know like now it's [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► owned by Berkshire Hathaway but the [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► railroad a you know their rights to [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► those corridors are in volumes you know [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► like they not [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► not only do they feel like they have [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► like a like a a enshrined right to these [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► enormous quarters right through the [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► center of every American place but that [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► they allow their they graciously allow [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► for instance amtrak to lease a certain [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► amount of time on the on that track [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► well let's say three times a day they [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► allow amtrak to run a passenger train [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► from X to Y but that's it there's no you [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► know you can't you can't introduce a [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► fourth train into the mix [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► no matter how many people are riding the [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► trains or whatever and you know and it's [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► and at and the other arguments for why [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► it's non-negotiable or why that there's [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► no access to that to that track i mean [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► they're they're 40 argument some of them [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► economic some of them Imperial but no [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► awareness or no sense of like what which [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► would should be true which is that [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► yeah we you were granted this stuff a [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► long time ago and really ultimately like [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► that Grant is a grant that we [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► are making to you everyday based on it [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► like we're making a good-faith we are we [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► are redesigning that grant to you [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► everyday until until it is a but it [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► doesn't work anymore like there is no [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► reason why we shouldn't accept except [TS]

01:04:29 ◼   ► for the vested interests of a thousand [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► of pieces of legislation over the last [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► hundred years there's no reason why any [TS]

01:04:36 ◼   ► Secretary of Transportation shouldn't [TS]

01:04:38 ◼   ► say you know what let's revisit this [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► let's revisit the rights of way of every [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► railroad in the country and figure out [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► what's the best like we're that the [TS]

01:04:48 ◼   ► nation is a system the National [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► Transportation great is a system and [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► rather than have 40 different [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► jurisdictions and 40 different little [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► fiefdoms and all these people sitting on [TS]

01:04:59 ◼   ► boards of directors saying well we can't [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► let another we can repurpose these [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► tracks or these rights of way because [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► because economics you know it we should [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► be able to look at we should be able to [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► look at that grid and this is the thing [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► about the energy grid about the highway [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► grid about like all the all the way that [TS]

01:05:22 ◼   ► resources are extracted and moved about [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► the country it their all grids and they [TS]

01:05:29 ◼   ► are being administered by you know all [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► these micro jurisdictions and they're in [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► there isn't there isn't the will to say [TS]

01:05:43 ◼   ► no you know what this is a great it [TS]

01:05:45 ◼   ► needs to run it needs to run smoothly [TS]

01:05:47 ◼   ► and it needs to run and some editing the [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► decisions need to be made from one place [TS]

01:05:52 ◼   ► i mean that that scares a lot of people [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► but anyway this was my fantasy as i [TS]

01:05:59 ◼   ► walked along the street thinking you [TS]

01:06:01 ◼   ► know really the only job for me is [TS]

01:06:03 ◼   ► Secretary of Transportation I'll guy [TS]

01:06:05 ◼   ► that would be good and if I would you [TS]

01:06:07 ◼   ► retired or which you would you want to [TS]

01:06:09 ◼   ► have the job for no I don't want to have [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► this job in the problem with it for you [TS]

01:06:12 ◼   ► the problem with it would be that you [TS]

01:06:13 ◼   ► would you would as soon as I mean if I [TS]

01:06:16 ◼   ► were ever nominated for the Secretary of [TS]

01:06:18 ◼   ► Transportation they would listen some [TS]

01:06:21 ◼   ► staffer would listen to this podcast all [TS]

01:06:23 ◼   ► through and then they would prepare a [TS]

01:06:26 ◼   ► very red type memo like all caps memo [TS]

01:06:32 ◼   ► saying listen we need to get in front of [TS]

01:06:36 ◼   ► this guy fast see I think this is not [TS]

01:06:39 ◼   ► even thinking about this and there's so [TS]

01:06:41 ◼   ► many things where it seems to me like [TS]

01:06:42 ◼   ► first we have to have staged on a [TS]

01:06:44 ◼   ► personal level it seems like you cut [TS]

01:06:46 ◼   ► yourself short a lot of these things you [TS]

01:06:48 ◼   ► tell you figure out why you can't be a [TS]

01:06:49 ◼   ► CIA agent figure out why you can't be [TS]

01:06:51 ◼   ► the excuse me operative the the retired [TS]

01:06:53 ◼   ► director of the CIA all these different [TS]