Roderick on the Line

Ep. 110: "The Dignity Police"


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  hello hi John hi Merlin is going all man [TS]

  take a look at my life [TS]

  normal ah like you [TS]

  mmm-mmm-mmm right mm-hmm is a sports [TS]

  writer what Neil Young's father he was a [TS]

  Canadian sports writer didn't know that [TS]

  yes yeah well I'm not sure why he would [TS]

  tell his dad about me someone to love [TS]

  the whole night through but there's [TS]

  Canada you know there are very [TS]

  disclosing people hard to know what you [TS]

  supposed to tell your dad [TS]

  oh god that neil young though I think [TS]

  about him a lot [TS]

  yeah what do you think about well you [TS]

  know he is one of those he is very [TS]

  affecting i totally agree [TS]

  he is one of the songwriters in my very [TS]

  small canon of people that I just go [TS]

  whatever you do is okay by me and and I [TS]

  think I was embarrassed a little bit [TS]

  when he became sort of a grunge cause [TS]

  celeb for a slab was he already in your [TS]

  pants down at that point 0 from the [TS]

  moment I heard him [TS]

  yeah you know like back in the seventies [TS]

  I was like what is that team in sound I [TS]

  used to have really mixed feelings when [TS]

  i was at that kind of high school age [TS]

  when I first was exposed to a lot of [TS]

  young i have mixed feelings because I [TS]

  would think every song plays on acoustic [TS]

  guitar sounds so pretty and then he does [TS]

  that weird one no guitar solo and now I [TS]

  think it's pretty genius [TS]

  uh yeah I thought I I wasn't so sure [TS]

  about the 1i get a 10 guitar solo but [TS]

  but then I started playing one note [TS]

  guitar solos through and they are great [TS]

  fun to play really fun but but yeah you [TS]

  know the the moment of real conversions [TS]

  for me with Neil Young was nineteen [TS]

  eighty maybe and I mean I had grown up [TS]

  hearing his music of course all of the [TS]

  classics veo our tracks right but 1980 I [TS]

  I I spot I i got hip to his like weird [TS]

  rockabilly record [TS]

  oh yeah everybody's rockin uh-huh and [TS]

  and I liked it I liked it just sort of [TS]

  instinctively in that that was back in [TS]

  the one-dollar record bin error that [TS]

  we've talked about before [TS]

  yeah like trans and landing on water or [TS]

  in the nice price bin [TS]

  yeah pretty much until they stop being a [TS]

  nice price band and that's the thing [TS]

  trans so I got I got the rockabilly [TS]

  record and i was like i like this and [TS]

  then I got trans and I liked it and it's [TS]

  so different [TS]

  really and of course I will I liked [TS]

  reactor that was one of my first ever [TS]

  another first-ever dollar been records [TS]

  and so I was like this guy makes [TS]

  everything he makes all kinds of music [TS]

  and I like it all [TS]

  yeah i really liked trans the the [TS]

  vocoder stuff uh connected with me when [TS]

  I was a little kid in the back story on [TS]

  that [TS]

  yeah it's trying to communicate with his [TS]

  son an interesting it's really [TS]

  fascinating but so by the time you know [TS]

  pearl jam was like wheeling him out [TS]

  reviews even imagine coming out on a [TS]

  supermarket dolly how my my I was like [TS]

  ah come on this is gross like I don't [TS]

  want to [TS]

  this isn't fun although when i think [TS]

  about it now [TS]

  he was probably be the age then that i [TS]

  am now that this are turning this during [TS]

  the Pearl Jam era and it was like oh [TS]

  why's the old man up there hate thinking [TS]

  those thoughts he's he's very [TS]

  interesting to me because there's some [TS]

  there's certain songwriters and [TS]

  performers that you know illicit very [TS]

  strong feelings for people and you know [TS]

  I think of people like I guess Dylan in [TS]

  particular i guess maybe Paul McCartney [TS]

  to an extent but people who [TS]

  people have extremely strong feelings [TS]

  about like this one record they did is [TS]

  probably one of the greatest things ever [TS]

  made in this other record they did is [TS]

  like the worst thing i've ever heard and [TS]

  that you can hold both those thoughts in [TS]

  your head and you know the thing about [TS]

  you young like the liner like you know i [TS]

  guess like Springsteen to an extent but [TS]

  whoever whoever you you accounting this [TS]

  pantheon people who are contrarians [TS]

  especially Dylan I love a contrarian i [TS]

  love somebody who's like you think you [TS]

  got me figured out you got me figured [TS]

  out and then second like it continued [TS]

  along those lines to just be unflappable [TS]

  about doing whatever they want to do [TS]

  next and just going well that's the [TS]

  thing it's going to be a thing about the [TS]

  Iraq war and it's gonna be a lot of [TS]

  people singing in a bar that's just the [TS]

  thing it's gonna be looking here Neil [TS]

  Young was 45 my current age in 1990 how [TS]

  you're kidding [TS]

  literally he was about the age I am now [TS]

  when he came out with this notes for you [TS]

  is that right [TS]

  it was just like oh what's up Gramps is [TS]

  that that's the line this is the title [TS]

  track is the advertising song and then [TS]

  oh I guess is rockin in the free world [TS]

  the title track for thanks oh well you [TS]

  also know that's that's 1989 right well [TS]

  so what would 89 around that time was [TS]

  when he came out with that crazy many [TS]

  crazy horse record and writing that [TS]

  record he was literally younger than me [TS]

  when a he wrote rockin in the free world [TS]

  that doesn't that seems like some kind [TS]

  of sci-fi portal thing that doesn't seem [TS]

  possible [TS]

  you know he was already he was already [TS]

  like profoundly classic artist he thinks [TS]

  that he was in Buffalo Springfield when [TS]

  he was I think like 19 and then evaluate [TS]

  him well [TS]

  see that's how that sound meal works I'm [TS]

  telling you man getting that what to [TS]

  call that triple album he had of [TS]

  greatest hits came out like 76 not the [TS]

  other one with the guitar case guitar [TS]

  cases the cover and but the thing was he [TS]

  was like he was pretty famous by the [TS]

  time he was like 23 yeah [TS]

  are the the on the beach whenever you [TS]

  feel about on the beach i'm not super [TS]

  familiar with it is it that's after that [TS]

  trilogy [TS]

  I know I know I know tonight's the night [TS]

  now and I don't know on the beach well [TS]

  but every one of them is a little [TS]

  journey you know I mean when you free [TS]

  but he opened your heart to it and like [TS]

  there's something amazing on every one [TS]

  of them and you know when your heart [TS]

  with the key i like that such a lonely [TS]

  number arms a time and then awesome a [TS]

  lot of love song [TS]

  the guy does it all that's a nice song i [TS]

  was thinking yesterday about the Beatles [TS]

  yeah i was too and I was realizing that [TS]

  all that will two things all of that [TS]

  music hall stuff that Paul McCartney was [TS]

  putting in the later beetles that lennon [TS]

  was so mad about being corny it's granny [TS]

  music random music that music is was [TS]

  essentially the same distance from them [TS]

  as the Beatles are from us [TS]

  yeah that's one of my favorite games the [TS]

  plans you know [TS]

  well yeah I like to play that yeah I [TS]

  there should be an official Navy which [TS]

  is called The Beatles game [TS]

  mm which is to take whatever that we [TS]

  would it was called seven years right so [TS]

  they're their first major British hits [TS]

  were and I think 63 seven years seven [TS]

  years so that's that's that's you know [TS]

  he always the age of my daughter [TS]

  2006-2007 till now there's cheese in my [TS]

  refrigerators at seven [TS]

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  Roderick on the line we could not do it [TS]

  without them but also yeah right the [TS]

  beatles game but it's also liked the [TS]

  Beatles were x years old when x LOL i [TS]

  net and then but the other thing when i [TS]

  started thinking about the Music Hall [TS]

  business and I realized that first I was [TS]

  talking to our good friend Shawn Nelson [TS]

  about this lennon was so upset and how [TS]

  how McCarty was so cheesy [TS]

  so corny but McCartney's corniness is [TS]

  that is the element that makes the later [TS]

  Beatles music so sinister sounding [TS]

  Maxwell's silver hammer everything will [TS]

  you even Martha my dear it feel it feels [TS]

  like I mean that's a song I mean Paul [TS]

  McCartney is corny that's the song he [TS]

  wrote about his dog right in the style [TS]

  of his grandmother's me [TS]

  sick but it it when it comes on the the [TS]

  the stereo the first time here like what [TS]

  are these madmen doing like it it was [TS]

  the element that I mean up way more than [TS]

  your blues it was the Martha my dear [TS]

  that made that record seem like that [TS]

  like it was insane and that they were [TS]

  insane and that this was the thought [TS]

  that it was a a an acid drenched psycho [TS]

  future they are like down George on [TS]

  piggies [TS]

  yeah like beyond mannered right and and [TS]

  and how Lennon in his narrowness could [TS]

  have failed to see failed to appreciate [TS]

  that his idea of what avant-garde was [TS]

  namely you know just like the the most [TS]

  sort of the most obvious version of [TS]

  challenging as Sean said you know [TS]

  Yoko basically like the very obvious [TS]

  version of avant-garde out ray freak [TS]

  freaky stuff and he had 11 somehow [TS]

  failed to see that it was it was it was [TS]

  really the juxtaposition of that against [TS]

  this like McCartney like nany music that [TS]

  makes the beetles still and made them [TS]

  then so scary you know like the Beatles [TS]

  are still scary in a way I don't think I [TS]

  don't think Lennon I mean out in the [TS]

  harris like John Lennon but I don't [TS]

  think he would come up with a lot of [TS]

  that stuff on his own and as you know [TS]

  QED as we discussed before Paul does not [TS]

  get credit for how much of the banana [TS]

  stuff he brought especially in there [TS]

  really they're amazing years like how [TS]

  much of the stuff was not just his [TS]

  facility with like show tunes in Pan [TS]

  Alley songwriting and knowing how to do [TS]

  interesting terms of according to John [TS]

  John play blues guitar he's a blues [TS]

  guitar [TS]

  I mean he could play you know he's a [TS]

  great guitar player but Paul was the one [TS]

  that had the mind for figuring out what [TS]

  you could do with all that stuff just by [TS]

  himself I think John [TS]

  which is play screeching blues all day [TS]

  long Yeah Yeah right right yeah right [TS]

  and and he's angry so he makes angry [TS]

  sounding music on the nose yeah he's [TS]

  frustrated so as we wrote a frustrated [TS]

  sounding song he is feeling feeling [TS]

  sarcastic so sarcastic song and you know [TS]

  and it's anybody's guess whether Paul [TS]

  McCartney has any of those emotions [TS]

  because he is such a such a muppet [TS]

  that's exactly the word I was thinking I [TS]

  do you think how much you think of that [TS]

  is persona because he seems like he's [TS]

  always on always on [TS]

  yeah absolutely always on like he wakes [TS]

  up he wakes up goes in the bathroom [TS]

  looks at me and goes the moving the roof [TS]

  and you're just like fuck you should [TS]

  just turn it off but who knows I mean I [TS]

  this is the thing about oh my god here [TS]

  we go this is the thing about happy [TS]

  that's right that's that's so [TS]

  insufferable the analogies you mean this [TS]

  is the songs that but it's like it's [TS]

  it's a it's an adjective for for a [TS]

  chorus and then there's there's mostly [TS]

  just a lot of analogies is the olympics [TS]

  haha back at like a hexagon wrench [TS]

  without a focus wagon like that you know [TS]

  I i like that song it's a big hit in our [TS]

  house is that right now yeah my daughter [TS]

  loves it to me and despicable me 2 movie [TS]

  o.o you're not talking about the we're [TS]

  gonna talk about the Keith Richards song [TS]

  have I'm sorry that you're talking about [TS]

  the guy the armies had all the the feral [TS]

  ya know I that would it would be a long [TS]

  road all you talk about power down and [TS]

  to keep me happy that the background [TS]

  yeah i'm sorry i'll cut all of that out [TS]

  that's super confusing I'm sorry John [TS]

  you just thought i had a stroke [TS]

  oh it's ok I i started to get started to [TS]

  get the picture because you know I do i [TS]

  do go on the internet so I've heard [TS]

  people talking about it [TS]

  you must learn about these things on the [TS]

  dark web there must be you hear about [TS]

  happy it's out there [TS]

  yeah well not only that but i think the [TS]

  Oscars on the dark web [TS]

  I who knows could say the part of yeah [TS]

  that's right [TS]

  I'm not at liberty to say that the i2i [TS]

  live tweeted the grammys this year not [TS]

  for myself but under contract for the [TS]

  talkhouse website and so i was i was [TS]

  watching the grammys but I had never [TS]

  heard any of the songs so they're like [TS]

  yeah it's getting more like that every [TS]

  year for me [TS]

  here's the grammy award goes to sterile [TS]

  and he spell his name of the song happy [TS]

  and I was like wow you know amazing [TS]

  don't care [TS]

  the the best joke I heard about Farrell [TS]

  was that the that he wears that hat to [TS]

  to distract us from the fact that he [TS]

  looks like a cartoon hand like a pink [TS]

  panther style and yeah yeah yeah but you [TS]

  know what you can see that now haha no [TS]

  but i but but but I i was even referred [TS]

  you're up there in Grampa mode just to [TS]

  know [TS]

  hey I didn't this is R&B gal is making a [TS]

  big hit [TS]

  oh look at her boy that dress is sure [TS]

  something [TS]

  no I was talking about even more [TS]

  generally the idea of happiness [TS]

  oh you're going up [TS]

  yeah that's right Paul McCartney's [TS]

  version of like irrepressible happy a [TS]

  you know like go-getter ism loose you [TS]

  know he's like a he's like a member of [TS]

  Junior Achievement yeah and-and-and you [TS]

  know i'm i'm intrinsically suspicious of [TS]

  happy that was always was or were you [TS]

  all were you are you absolutely [TS]

  sighs happy yeah I mean for me it's it's [TS]

  a little nuance but yeah I may have said [TS]

  this a lot of times but i am basically [TS]

  suspicious of people primarily i am i'm [TS]

  a little suspicious of people who seem [TS]

  happy all the time but i'm super [TS]

  suspicious who talked about how happy [TS]

  they are all the time I think those [TS]

  people are like they're you talk about a [TS]

  bottle up and explode type situation [TS]

  yeah you know what I mean like its it [TS]

  you know it's that's manic well I always [TS]

  come back to that picture of McCartney [TS]

  during the recording of let it be [TS]

  sitting at the mixing desk with his like [TS]

  you know his attention fully focused on [TS]

  the knobs his hands there on the desk [TS]

  George Martin is relegated to the [TS]

  shadows of he'll stick here is that [TS]

  shooting bitches [TS]

  he's McCartney's got all of us get [TS]

  Linda's they're all the hangers on radio [TS]

  Ringo's sitting in a chair somewhere and [TS]

  Paul's finally in charge and he looks so [TS]

  happy to be there but also like it's in [TS]

  a way it's where he belongs like it was [TS]

  only it was only radical because it was [TS]

  that was the first time it ever happened [TS]

  that the artist would self be [TS]

  self-producing and now in light of where [TS]

  we came like right Paul McCartney was [TS]

  the first one really to sit down in the [TS]

  in the the first one who wasn't an [TS]

  auteur an outsider and the first pop guy [TS]

  to like take the chair and start moving [TS]

  the knobs and you love him in that [TS]

  picture you love him in that moment even [TS]

  knowing that Lenin is nodding off in the [TS]

  other room having turned to heroin to [TS]

  mask his is seething hatred of Paul you [TS]

  go sit in George's chair right George [TS]

  hate that scene so it's George's walking [TS]

  up and down the hallway rehearsing his I [TS]

  quit speech he's always gonna be the [TS]

  youngest one you know he's always going [TS]

  to be the little kid and you know and [TS]

  and and Ringo is just like happy two [TS]

  billion but also like you get the sense [TS]

  even Ringo no I mean watch that movie [TS]

  its and this is another reason why I [TS]

  mean who knows how much the trust in [TS]

  that movie but i mean it's it's that [TS]

  it's you know I think pockets of a bad [TS]

  rap is first of all I mean I'm not sure [TS]

  of in the pre wings era [TS]

  are there that many songs that you can [TS]

  put out there's a beatles song that are [TS]

  really just about being happy [TS]

  I mean if they are there's always [TS]

  there's always a little bit of maybe [TS]

  just the John contributions but there's [TS]

  always a glint of cynicism somewhere [TS]

  inside of all that even on like you know [TS]

  a good day sunshine or whatever I mean [TS]

  but you know it's not like Paul just [TS]

  wrote about you know being happy but the [TS]

  thing that I just want to can't just go [TS]

  by is i'm watching a movie in a while [TS]

  because i actually do find it very [TS]

  difficult to watch [TS]

  it's excruciating it is really really [TS]

  painful that that even got out there's a [TS]

  reason it's hard to find now because [TS]

  it's really hard to watch [TS]

  nobody comes off looking very good but [TS]

  you know the part because i think [TS]

  because of that movie and maybe [TS]

  interviews and stuff Paul got the [TS]

  reputation of being the guy that [TS]

  everybody thought was oh he's always the [TS]

  cheery guy who's like being super [TS]

  annoying and telling us what to do but [TS]

  you know he's trying to hold it together [TS]

  he was I mean I just got the feeling and [TS]

  watching that he was not trying to be a [TS]

  dick he was he was trying really hard to [TS]

  keep the band together and and find a [TS]

  way to make it work now he was trying to [TS]

  do that but he also like a as Shawn [TS]

  Nelson ultimate Beatles Authority said [TS]

  so eloquently like the competition [TS]

  between John and Paul took two took the [TS]

  shape of John you know stuff like [TS]

  sneering at Paul but Paul's response was [TS]

  like who [TS]

  how many songs if you go through 50 [TS]

  that's good but I've got 25 like he was [TS]

  I mean John was practically I mean he [TS]

  would it wasn't the point where he's [TS]

  just whispering the Yoko he wasn't [TS]

  speaking to them [TS]

  oh yeah no job is the worst yeah but you [TS]

  sleep is not trying very hard [TS]

  he wasn't trying very hard but you know [TS]

  like I think about in your think about [TS]

  in your relationships or work situations [TS]

  when a thing is dying or one thing is [TS]

  like really broken and the one guy who's [TS]

  like cheerfully trying to keep it all [TS]

  together [TS]

  yeah by like you know bye-bye doing all [TS]

  the work and being the cheerleader like [TS]

  the worst guy [TS]

  yeah and especially because and this is [TS]

  not just about probably whoever that [TS]

  character is it has been me [TS]

  it's also that that person is clearly [TS]

  ignoring the vibe that everybody else is [TS]

  feeling which is that we don't [TS]

  get along and we're not acknowledging [TS]

  that and that's not making it better [TS]

  no that's crazy-making right so yeah [TS]

  Paul boy [TS]

  Oh Paul alright just can't I just don't [TS]

  want to revisit thinking about Paul [TS]

  McCartney anymore although all the all [TS]

  the many many many hours of my life [TS]

  wondering about what's going on inside [TS]

  Paul's head i don't i am you know I am I [TS]

  remember when I when I did finally see [TS]

  let it be and I don't know I've never [TS]

  been a fan of yonas work and I've always [TS]

  thought she seemed like kind of an [TS]

  annoying personality and I I very much i [TS]

  have to say i'm not proud of this but I [TS]

  bought into the idea that she was a very [TS]

  divisive factor in the band but what a [TS]

  lot of people who are bigger bills fans [TS]

  and meet pointed out that I get now but [TS]

  talk about a fun eh thing [TS]

  how many years were the Beatles what's [TS]

  the word I'm looking for functional and [TS]

  I can I don't just say happy but I mean [TS]

  you think about even if you go up [TS]

  through say revolver even by revolver [TS]

  John is starting to withdraw they're all [TS]

  pretty high a lot of the time which is [TS]

  probably kind of fun but I you know I [TS]

  doubt that sergeant pepper was that much [TS]

  of like an exciting group effort every [TS]

  day there weren't I mean they talk and [TS]

  probably all talked about this at one [TS]

  point was why it was so great to do [TS]

  happiness is a warm gun happening that's [TS]

  the song that made them want to do a [TS]

  little reality they want to like bring [TS]

  back the fact that we can rock out as a [TS]

  bad because it was the first time for [TS]

  everything actually recorded kind of [TS]

  written and recorded a song together and [TS]

  played together because everything up [TS]

  till then and i'll just been pieces and [TS]

  parts and didn't want to be in the room [TS]

  so the fun eh they talk about of those [TS]

  seven years how many of those years were [TS]

  they like maybe two and even during [TS]

  those two years they're exhausted really [TS]

  travel and play live from 59 know like [TS]

  the right [TS]

  the amount of time they were really up [TS]

  inside each others butts yeah I mean I'm [TS]

  playing fast and loose but only because [TS]

  like that the time that they were in the [TS]

  national and somewhat definitely [TS]

  European consciousness would be 62 63 [TS]

  yeah so I 65 it was already all the [TS]

  beatles on top of the world they're like [TS]

  they got to be the happiest guys in the [TS]

  world but didn't have a minute to [TS]

  themselves they were just constantly [TS]

  there put out three albums a year ago I [TS]

  know and shaggin birds singing birds [TS]

  look at that beater beatles for sale [TS]

  record they do not look like happy [TS]

  campers know and one of the songs [TS]

  reflect that they were there they get [TS]

  more cynical they get a little darker [TS]

  when you were 26 where you a happy [TS]

  camper [TS]

  no I don't know that camping has ever [TS]

  been all that happy I was not a happy [TS]

  camper at 26 a terrible time it's a [TS]

  really terrible time 26 hard times now [TS]

  it is it's it's funny because it's a I [TS]

  mean nothing can be worse than puberty [TS]

  in a lot of ways but there's something [TS]

  peculiarly something that makes you I I [TS]

  think I most people probably feel more [TS]

  like a failure for one reason or another [TS]

  by the time they're 27 than any other [TS]

  time you 20 times that magic age where [TS]

  everybody dies it's the quarter life [TS]

  crisis there's all those Saturn's return [TS]

  all those different things that people [TS]

  have names for this but all I know is [TS]

  that like everybody feels like some part [TS]

  of their life is completely fucked up [TS]

  when the 27 I'm never going to make [TS]

  enough money [TS]

  I'm never gonna find somebody who loves [TS]

  me for who i am i'm never gonna make the [TS]

  great i'm never gonna be a millionaire [TS]

  before I'm 30 all those different things [TS]

  27 around 27 25 to 28 is when those [TS]

  things really start to hit you is that [TS]

  first is that I think it's the first [TS]

  really incontrovertible wave of I can't [TS]

  do everything the way I want anymore [TS]

  yeah the doors are even very very [TS]

  quietly gently at a distance starting to [TS]

  close and you first start becoming aware [TS]

  of it [TS]

  yeah even if you're an even if you're [TS]

  really successful I don't know this is a [TS]

  hobbyhorse in mind but I've talked about [TS]

  in other places a lot but I think about [TS]

  some other podcast we maybe yeah maybe [TS]

  myself but you know it's really easy to [TS]

  look at anybody else and think that [TS]

  they're living the life of Riley and [TS]

  it's or that they there [TS]

  let's put it this way especially and [TS]

  this will bring us back to work on the [TS]

  line [TS]

  it's really easy look anybody else who [TS]

  has something that you don't think that [TS]

  the first of all they probably got it [TS]

  bye Guyler theft in a way you you [TS]

  deserve to know nor yeah privilege if [TS]

  you like and and everybody else has that [TS]

  you don't and there are compared [TS]

  completely who could feel sympathy for [TS]

  John [TS]

  and in 1966 you know I mean when you [TS]

  look at it from outside but they can't [TS]

  imagine like having like you can't even [TS]

  walk around in public and when you do [TS]

  there's photos of you on every magazine [TS]

  about like your life like that'sthat's [TS]

  hell no but yeah I don't know you think [TS]

  about that while I mean what do you [TS]

  think what do you think they were I mean [TS]

  because they know playing in Hamburg [TS]

  doesn't sound like a cakewalk they were [TS]

  playing like wednesday at some point [TS]

  playing eight hours a day [TS]

  yeah but I mean you know that's the [TS]

  great thing about speed back that's a [TS]

  great thing about being 19 and out in [TS]

  the world is that fear that those doors [TS]

  those doors have not closed there so far [TS]

  in the distance that they seem like they [TS]

  said it seems like you're immortal and [TS]

  you'll live forever and so that kind of [TS]

  hard [TS]

  I mean I you know I because of my [TS]

  because of my dark web work em I'm be in [TS]

  contact with you know some people in [TS]

  their early twenties let's say food [TS]

  tasting tour and let's that's not really [TS]

  something I need to nail him for me and [TS]

  I you know and a lot of ways like I'm [TS]

  always surprised by how how smart they [TS]

  are and how thoughtful they are but [TS]

  every once awhile i do have to sit [TS]

  through like one or two day long [TS]

  some sucking episode we're like god I [TS]

  can't believe it I gotta pay my rent and [TS]

  I gotta look in God with the work all [TS]

  day and I just just not fair and I I [TS]

  think I think that pretty much every day [TS]

  well I know it but I mean don't say it [TS]

  but the other thing is that the reason [TS]

  you don't say it is that you don't [TS]

  expect anybody to be surprised and the [TS]

  one of the fantastic things about being [TS]

  19 is that you can you can get that when [TS]

  four or five things happen all at once [TS]

  you really do feel like it's the first [TS]

  time it's ever happened it's the first [TS]

  time anybody ever had to like that they [TS]

  know they know enough to know that [TS]

  everybody has to go to work or that [TS]

  everybody sometimes their car breaks [TS]

  clanks exactly last-second or that [TS]

  everybody's mom is a bitch sometimes [TS]

  names but when you know when for those [TS]

  things happen at once [TS]

  that's when the the nineteen-year-old [TS]

  mind when its lack of experience is [TS]

  revealed because they're just like so [TS]

  shocked and at and like want to should [TS]

  want to get come out to the front of [TS]

  their house and shout like I'm mad as [TS]

  hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore [TS]

  because who has ever had to be at work [TS]

  which is already unfair and their car [TS]

  won't start and their moms being a bitch [TS]

  and they don't have any money and yeah [TS]

  there's an end the end their clothes [TS]

  don't fit anymore whatever and you just [TS]

  go like right well everybody and also [TS]

  everybody all the time has experienced [TS]

  that and but that that feeling of like I [TS]

  mean I remember being 19 and enduring [TS]

  what now seems like an astonishing level [TS]

  of discomfort and hurt and being at the [TS]

  time unable to distinguish that from [TS]

  what seemed like an equal amount of [TS]

  discomfort and hurt that it turns out [TS]

  was just normal life right like i was i [TS]

  was sleeping didn't make you feel [TS]

  shelter like he had been sheltered no no [TS]

  I I mean I definitely had been sheltered [TS]

  but the but the problem the problem for [TS]

  me was that I had no i mean i was [TS]

  sleeping outside in city parks and that [TS]

  seemed less or equal that seems either [TS]

  less difficult or equally difficult to [TS]

  just finding figuring out how to use a [TS]

  washing machine right so like the the [TS]

  difficulty of the two things I i had no [TS]

  I had no way to tell them apart and it [TS]

  turns out now from where I said sleeping [TS]

  outside [TS]

  night after night in a city park [TS]

  seems really hard and dangerous and [TS]

  uncomfortable in risky whereas using a [TS]

  washing machine is not hard at all and [TS]

  also like not even onerous it's just [TS]

  what you do but at 19 I couldn't [TS]

  distinguish the difficulty between the [TS]

  two things because using washing machine [TS]

  was completely alien to me I I you know [TS]

  my mom always wash my clothes until i [TS]

  left the house and that you know why I [TS]

  imagine them in hamburg and it's like [TS]

  yeah I'm sure they're playing for set [TS]

  tonight and they're you know they're [TS]

  barely sleeping but that is you know [TS]

  that's no more or less difficult then [TS]

  figuring out how to work an automat from [TS]

  or you know or or whatever like the the [TS]

  simplest thing like taking a letter down [TS]

  to the post office it all seems [TS]

  difficult and and also all seems easy [TS]

  everything's hard until you learn how to [TS]

  do it [TS]

  yeah i mean that's that sounds it's [TS]

  really fast out but it's true [TS]

  everything seems possible because you [TS]

  haven't gotten it and maybe overdue for [TS]

  you to get it but also everything will [TS]

  seem hard and equally hard and [TS]

  especially if it all comes at once I [TS]

  mean it's overwhelming but the idea that [TS]

  the idea of cleaning my house still [TS]

  after all these years I have never [TS]

  resigned myself to it like every time it [TS]

  it seems like a new it's at the the [TS]

  indignation is is fresh every time just [TS]

  like oh my god seriously have to do this [TS]

  again like it's such a waste [TS]

  it's such a wasted effort and better [TS]

  when you have a kick and that's real I i [TS]

  connect immediately back to the [TS]

  sixteen-year-old me it was just like you [TS]

  just it just gets dirty again and [TS]

  so many of those other services soon as [TS]

  your butt but there's value [TS]

  well you doing that thing is washing [TS]

  your butt is fun [TS]

  yeah you know there's a there's pleasure [TS]

  to be had a nice diversion but wash it [TS]

  but like cleaning your bathroom is not [TS]

  fun [TS]

  I'm now that's another the people that [TS]

  the people that really early on in life [TS]

  accepted not just accepted cleaning the [TS]

  bathroom but found a way to make [TS]

  cleaning the bathroom part of their part [TS]

  of like normal life I guess who with no [TS]

  holding onto know like resentment about [TS]

  it I'd I do admire them that seems like [TS]

  a thought technology I'll absolutely and [TS]

  easy easy easy easy analogy and I'm not [TS]

  sayin I'm great at this but the easy [TS]

  analogies brushing your teeth brushing [TS]

  your teeth or for that matter taking a [TS]

  leak [TS]

  um can can be a good example of [TS]

  something more like you're pretty good [TS]

  at taking a leak [TS]

  i'm pretty happy great of brushing your [TS]

  teeth pretty efficient at it i would say [TS]

  but the but you know if you're if you've [TS]

  reached the pro level of brushing your [TS]

  teeth you don't really have to think [TS]

  about it you don't have to plan for it [TS]

  you know worst-case scenario you get a [TS]

  new toothbrush and toothpaste sometimes [TS]

  but it isn't something where you have to [TS]

  wake up every day and ponder whether [TS]

  that's the thing you're going to do [TS]

  unless it is right you're right you're [TS]

  like fuck yourself in talk yourself [TS]

  through your liking commenting coffees [TS]

  another one can you kind of look forward [TS]

  to that but then I mean the that moves [TS]

  out in concentric circles from that then [TS]

  you get to stuff like I gotta put gas in [TS]

  the car [TS]

  it's a pain in the ass to have to keep [TS]

  putting gas in the car but those [TS]

  dependencies you've got to put the gas [TS]

  in the car because the cars would [TS]

  continue to work so that you can buy [TS]

  toothpaste but but I i agree with you [TS]

  cuz there's some things that everybody [TS]

  else seems to have on the brushing their [TS]

  teeth level that I've never gotten too [TS]

  and they might as well be magical to me [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah I'm actually do stuff [TS]

  like rotate their tires and stuff like [TS]

  that i was at a gas station clean clean [TS]

  the house and a guy walks and waiting in [TS]

  line you know they got the guy ahead of [TS]

  me in line is really decked out in some [TS]

  very like [TS]

  he is a he's reppin that he is kind of a [TS]

  fly guy he's got very white trainers on [TS]

  he's wearing a kind of like tracksuit [TS]

  very clean tracksuit a like a fedora of [TS]

  some kind he is you know he is [TS]

  presenting he has come correct and he's [TS]

  he's waiting in line at the gas station [TS]

  and then it's his turn and he says to [TS]

  the guy behind the counter is like five [TS]

  onto pretty like you know pretty [TS]

  confrontation or like not [TS]

  confrontational but like the tone is I'm [TS]

  a big wheel [TS]

  let's get this moving five onto and he [TS]

  turns and walks out [TS]

  it took me a second to realize that what [TS]

  he meant was five dollars worth of gas [TS]

  on pump two over and I was like gasps is [TS]

  four dollars and forty-five cents a [TS]

  gallon five dollars worth the gas really [TS]

  really big wheel is just top it off and [TS]

  and I get so I his mom's mad if he [TS]

  doesn't turn full five onto so I walk [TS]

  out and I walked past and Pete you know [TS]

  and again I see him now pumping this one [TS]

  that one dollar or one gallon with the [TS]

  gas into the car and he is completely [TS]

  correct like really really a steam [TS]

  pressed this guy clean dignified yeah [TS]

  but the car is like an 89 tercel what [TS]

  the one of the back windows is held in [TS]

  with the with the with like electrical [TS]

  tape and in the driver's seat is his [TS]

  girlfriend who clearly is working as [TS]

  either a you know a waitress at shari's [TS]

  or as a you know like she is younger [TS]

  than he is and has that kind of harry [TS]

  reid and raphy look of somebody who [TS]

  maybe is sleeping in her car while she's [TS]

  getting back on her feet and I was like [TS]

  sir you are not correct [TS]

  you have not come correct maybe [TS]

  personally you are correct personally [TS]

  you [TS]

  here's your style is taken care of but [TS]

  there are some things you should be [TS]

  taking care of in advance of your style [TS]

  some of that might be that maybe some of [TS]

  the work you could do is replace that [TS]

  back window in the car or some other [TS]

  other things other than whatever kind of [TS]

  like it just it was a it was a it was a [TS]

  great but a classic moment of like hmm [TS]

  if you are pimping you gotta you gotta [TS]

  be pimping in a larger orbit than just [TS]

  going to come correct yeah pimp a little [TS]

  bit further out than the tips of your [TS]

  shoes i guess so I i I've been happy to [TS]

  draw those kinds of contrasts over a [TS]

  long time but I don't know I one of my [TS]

  thought technologies is trying to get a [TS]

  little broader about who's allowed to [TS]

  have dignity because you know in some [TS]

  cases could not because you in this case [TS]

  necessarily but in some cases like I [TS]

  feel like there's like these dignity [TS]

  police out there people who are like out [TS]

  there actively policing like who's [TS]

  allowed to not hate themselves today and [TS]

  it's like you know you're pretty fat for [TS]

  somebody who's happy that you need to [TS]

  you need to check yourself you know I I [TS]

  think that's it's just something it's [TS]

  it's another one of those it's a very [TS]

  like tertiary as you know symptom of our [TS]

  national illness these days but I feel [TS]

  like there is a lot of like you know [TS]

  like there's this idea as an idea in in [TS]

  mindfulness and Buddhism that like it's [TS]

  one thing to feel bad and then it's [TS]

  another thing to feel like it's not okay [TS]

  for you to feel bad and that's where you [TS]

  get fucked up is everybody no no it's [TS]

  not like it but I think it's a guy think [TS]

  it's interesting that technology is to [TS]

  think like you know i'm always I'm [TS]

  always gonna have problems i'm always [TS]

  going to have stress but like when I [TS]

  allow [TS]

  to still feel okay even now I've got [TS]

  problems now I'm not saying he should I [TS]

  should be a not well and I did I take [TS]

  your I take your comment the police [TS]

  I take I take that very well I mean that [TS]

  the guy i think you make a good point [TS]

  and in reflecting on it [TS]

  my beef with this guy was that his 5 on [TS]

  the tone of his five onto was hey little [TS]

  man behind the cash register and get to [TS]

  work because i need 55 onto like he was [TS]

  not if he was in if he was a if he was [TS]

  dressed to the nines I was like my good [TS]

  sir I can only afford five dollars of [TS]

  gas and i'm i'm i'm grateful to be on [TS]

  this planet pretty-pretty with that but [TS]

  they're basically it is don't like span [TS]

  acker hello I would like some gas from [TS]

  you please write but instead you know [TS]

  like he was fronting God and His you [TS]

  know and having come correct there was [TS]

  an element of this this front of like [TS]

  I'm a big shot [TS]

  get out of the way and then you get out [TS]

  to the car and you're like oh right the [TS]

  attitude that I mean the attitude [TS]

  scribble that's that's inexcusable don't [TS]

  act that way i agree with you about the [TS]

  about the my tendency to be part of this [TS]

  larger cultural problem of just walking [TS]

  around in it just it in a constant like [TS]

  basically a Genesis machine of judgment [TS]

  justice divisive just like to clarify [TS]

  i'm not saying I don't do it it's it's [TS]

  something where I mean unless I am [TS]

  mindful about it i'm out there making [TS]

  little micro decisions about everything [TS]

  that lamp Pole stupid and dumb place for [TS]

  a stop sign [TS]

  what's up with that guy's hair like [TS]

  that's that's my mo unless I catch [TS]

  myself oh my God if I i could do an [TS]

  entire television show of the entire [TS]

  television show called what a dumb place [TS]

  for a stop sign [TS]

  like I can't that conversation out loud [TS]

  with myself everyday but fuck is that [TS]

  stop sign doing there what the fuck [TS]

  well I i could fill in your must-see [TS]

  must be Thursday by coming in at [TS]

  eight-thirty with why the fuck is there [TS]

  not a stop sign here [TS]

  well we're there no but there are places [TS]

  in mind [TS]

  neighborhood you know how people drive [TS]

  in my neighborhood and there are places [TS]

  where like you know there's that little [TS]

  park south of our house where the [TS]

  streets kind of terminate right with the [TS]

  park starts and there are no stop signs [TS]

  at the end of the down hill avenue [TS]

  heading towards the park there are no [TS]

  stop signs [TS]

  there are also no stop signs on the [TS]

  cross street and across well and [TS]

  somebody died last week [TS]

  oh no no yeah somebody hit by taxi last [TS]

  week and that's just that's just the [TS]

  thing you know stop signs are costly [TS]

  well there there's an intersection like [TS]

  that right by my house where the [TS]

  arterial not to use technical terms is [TS]

  the one we got in a fight with the [TS]

  Serbian guy and he made a gesture at you [TS]

  yes same one yeah yeah the arterial [TS]

  turns and there is a spur off of the [TS]

  arterial that goes exactly one block [TS]

  there are eight houses down there with a [TS]

  grand total of twenty-two people how [TS]

  many times have you ever seen somebody [TS]

  go in that direction [TS]

  well and that's the thing i can count [TS]

  the number of times it's five times in [TS]

  seven years in the meantime that the the [TS]

  turn is you know that it's there 700 [TS]

  cars a day make this turn but the turn [TS]

  requires that they go across you know [TS]

  like like go out into what would what [TS]

  would be oncoming traffic if that was a [TS]

  through Road but what's amazing to me is [TS]

  that the that that that those 20 people [TS]

  who live down that spur road and you see [TS]

  them do it like they drive 40 miles an [TS]

  hour through that intersection without [TS]

  looking left or right because they're [TS]

  asserting the fact that they have the [TS]

  because their street is straight the [TS]

  direction they're going in his straight [TS]

  so therefore they don't need to look you [TS]

  should look you should look out for them [TS]

  there's no sign of any kind no yield [TS]

  sign and so they feel like they have the [TS]

  right-of-way and and I every time it [TS]

  happens I look and I'm like you may [TS]

  technically have the right away if a cop [TS]

  if there was an accident and a cop was [TS]

  here the cop would have very little [TS]

  choice but to say well this person was [TS]

  dry [TS]

  going straight and so it's the person [TS]

  who's turning who has the responsibility [TS]

  but it's kind of a blind corner over and [TS]

  what I want to say to each one of these [TS]

  people i want to go down and leave a [TS]

  flyer on every doorstep in that [TS]

  neighborhood that on that one block [TS]

  street is like the the fact that you [TS]

  technically have the right-of-way does [TS]

  not change does not mean that you live [TS]

  in a bubble of safety right [TS]

  the law does not is not going to protect [TS]

  you from causing an accident and it [TS]

  would be you causing an accident to go [TS]

  hurtling through this i like it like [TS]

  that my daughter like when you're dead [TS]

  doesn't matter is right right and I got [TS]

  into a confrontation with somebody I [TS]

  mean what we might have even talked [TS]

  about it [TS]

  confrontation with somebody where I was [TS]

  I was backing into a parking spot on a [TS]

  busy street and the guy comes in likes [TS]

  wax the back of my car because he [TS]

  decided he was crossing mid-block at [TS]

  that point and cheese as I'm backing [TS]

  into parties about checking my left [TS]

  mirror checking my rear view mirror [TS]

  checking the side mirror looking at the [TS]

  back window [TS]

  I failed to also account for the fact [TS]

  that a guy might be might a pedestrian [TS]

  might decide to cross behind up a car [TS]

  that's parking and he was upset because [TS]

  because in his world pedestrians have [TS]

  the right away [TS]

  well they do the right away unless [TS]

  they're breaking the fucking law [TS]

  well but in seattle there is this you [TS]

  cross in the middle of the street and [TS]

  hit somebody's car that's kinda lame [TS]

  it's very confusing the law in Seattle [TS]

  because technically I think or or or [TS]

  rather the common understanding among [TS]

  pedestrians in seattle is that they have [TS]

  the ultimate right-of-way that's just [TS]

  the Pope well and and every pedestrian [TS]

  in seattle believes he or she is the [TS]

  Pope and when I was a when I in the many [TS]

  years that I didn't have a car i walked [TS]

  around Seattle with a very Imperial [TS]

  sense that the pedestrian was God in [TS]

  seattle and you see it it's very [TS]

  confusing to people from other places [TS]

  because cars will often stopped to let a [TS]

  pedestrian cross [TS]

  in them in mid block in the middle of a [TS]

  busy street at the in the peak of the [TS]

  day like somebody just standing there on [TS]

  the side of the road and looking around [TS]

  not even looking like they want to cross [TS]

  the street just standing there looking [TS]

  around and a Seattle driver will come to [TS]

  a stop and wait for this person to [TS]

  indicate what their plan is right and [TS]

  it's just like that so that is part of [TS]

  the culture got that'sthat's good [TS]

  culture it is especially as it [TS]

  encourages eye contact about what's [TS]

  going to happen next [TS]

  it's it's it's it's fantastic but the [TS]

  problem is it is not universally [TS]

  practiced by your side [TS]

  yeah and the law is I think the law is [TS]

  that if you're standing on the sidewalk [TS]

  cars can go but if you step into the [TS]

  street looking like you're going to [TS]

  cross you actually the cars actually do [TS]

  have to yield to you [TS]

  the only people who routinely do not [TS]

  practice this are the police like you I [TS]

  multiple times and my mom has written a [TS]

  thousand angry letters to the editor [TS]

  she's never published but you step into [TS]

  the into the crosswalk [TS]

  look you know trying to make eye contact [TS]

  with the oncoming car and if it's a cop [TS]

  they can tell vroom yeah they just blow [TS]

  it blow through without you know you [TS]

  know we get that here you know because [TS]

  they're very important people the police [TS]

  and they're probably on their way to [TS]

  something important with the lights off [TS]

  yeah with their lights often like you [TS]

  know there's there there there tie loose [TS]

  or whatever they're they're on their way [TS]

  to stare out there on their way to their [TS]

  break anyway so so with in seattle [TS]

  culture and a many many many many many [TS]

  times I would walk out into the street [TS]

  cause cause I a driver to need to like [TS]

  not stand on it but like break when he [TS]

  was not anticipating breaking and then [TS]

  as I'm walking across I'm just [TS]

  eyeballing him like because i was 26 and [TS]

  I didn't understand how hard it was to [TS]

  wash your clothes every day and I what I [TS]

  didn't understand was that if if he were [TS]

  to touch me with his bumper there would [TS]

  be a problem [TS]

  it would be his problem but now as a [TS]

  driver you know I encounter on a fairly [TS]

  regular basis people with us with a [TS]

  similar attitude who are just mistaken [TS]

  about they may not be mistaken that if [TS]

  this went to trial that they would [TS]

  prevail but they are mistaken in [TS]

  thinking bet they are protected from [TS]

  injury and that they aren't like causing [TS]

  a problem like a like a like a major [TS]

  problem for the city by acting like [TS]

  they're bulletproof and acting like the [TS]

  you know like if if a driver has just [TS]

  like Skid to avoid hitting you because [TS]

  you decided that this was the moment you [TS]

  wanted to you wanted to assert [TS]

  pedestrian a predominance or whatever [TS]

  preeminence here it's not a safe [TS]

  situation right so I see that a lot and [TS]

  I and it's on the list of lectures that [TS]

  I want to give when i get when i finally [TS]

  install the the police bullhorn in my [TS]

  car [TS]

  that's one of the reasons no one should [TS]

  be allowed to drive until the 30 because [TS]

  his hormones are going to lead you to do [TS]

  a lot of dumb stuff [TS]

  oh this is a good plan we've never [TS]

  talked about this plan well I have been [TS]

  i think i'd love to dovetail with you on [TS]

  this because i think i might have a [TS]

  pretty exhaustive and persuasive theory [TS]

  about how how the pedestrian and the [TS]

  motorist might be able to get along [TS]

  better [TS]

  so drivers life or infinitive on all [TS]

  sides let me assure you you have to you [TS]

  have to wait until you're 30 to get a [TS]

  driver's license and got to practice [TS]

  privately for the 14 years preceding [TS]

  that you have to go somewhere you pay [TS]

  your on a track in a controlled [TS]

  environment is a gun tower and you have [TS]

  to show that you can drive like a [TS]

  gentleman and then at 60 years old [TS]

  you have to start let's say yeah let's [TS]

  say sixty 60 years only making the [TS]

  weekends at 60 you have to start going [TS]

  to quarterly a like passing quarterly [TS]

  tests agility test to like maybe we have [TS]

  to do like an obstacle course you get [TS]

  pop quizzes people just show up here in [TS]

  your house and test yet [TS]

  and then it's 70 it goes to once a month [TS]

  right and then it's 75 they just take [TS]

  your keys away in your in your writing [TS]

  on the old people bus i I'm a very [TS]

  defensive pedestrian in the same way [TS]

  that we were taught to be defensive [TS]

  drivers and which means which means I [TS]

  just I take it very seriously and [TS]

  especially after I walked around with my [TS]

  kid because it's not this is super [TS]

  boring but when he got on so well you [TS]

  know our neighborhood is all pretty much [TS]

  there's tons of four-way stops which [TS]

  means as you know what I'm opposed to [TS]

  well here's the problem if you put five [TS]

  stop signs more or less in a row you [TS]

  know what that means people going to [TS]

  blow through them i know i'm not a fan [TS]

  of four-way stops before he stops to [TS]

  have an unimpeachable logic to them [TS]

  whether it's good for traffic or not is [TS]

  different but there's no question what [TS]

  you do at a four-way stop [TS]

  it's really simple everybody stops full [TS]

  stop whoever got their first goes right [TS]

  whichever whichever whichever car got [TS]

  there to steps on first thing first [TS]

  unless you gather at the same time than [TS]

  the one on the right goes first [TS]

  this is this is a blah right but [TS]

  although although what happens at a [TS]

  four-way stop in America or with a lot [TS]

  of people is a bellingham a little bit [TS]

  well or they assume that it's a four-way [TS]

  stop so the other three people are going [TS]

  to stop this this is this is why what [TS]

  I'm getting to is the ultimate lesson in [TS]

  civics that I have for my daughter after [TS]

  keep moving and get out of the way is to [TS]

  understand how would an analogy the [TS]

  four-way stop is for like how we live [TS]

  together where it's like you know if [TS]

  everybody like nobody loves stopping at [TS]

  a stop sign [TS]

  it's a real pain because you've got to [TS]

  stop the car you're not getting there is [TS]

  fast but if everybody stops at that [TS]

  four-way stop and honors those rules [TS]

  that I just laid out which I think are [TS]

  pretty nearly universal everything will [TS]

  be fine [TS]

  the problem is neither be does that [TS]

  still if 99% of people do that that [TS]

  means one out of a hundred people is [TS]

  going to blow through that stop sign and [TS]

  you know what I have to tell you [TS]

  honestly things will be fine day and [TS]

  actually disturbing amount of the time a [TS]

  sad amount of the time everything will [TS]

  be fine because this is one asshole [TS]

  it's not honoring what everybody else [TS]

  does but because they're honoring it [TS]

  they're still stop while this guy flies [TS]

  through it so right and he's a special [TS]

  guy you know always a real special gun [TS]

  special so nobody died for a while [TS]

  unless he didn't see them or something [TS]

  the problem comes becomes when more than [TS]

  more than a couple people think that's [TS]

  okay and that's to 2nd tying to special [TS]

  guys [TS]

  yep exactly and that's kind of to me [TS]

  that's a pretty good lesson in civics [TS]

  works but in any case it does not change [TS]

  the fact that we did the right thing [TS]

  that we stop here and you make eye [TS]

  contact and you look and and you drive [TS]

  you drive and walk in a way that is [TS]

  alert and so like to me like the eye [TS]

  contact thing in the hand gesture thing [TS]

  the nice hand gesture thing is a really [TS]

  good thing [TS]

  okay let's try this John Rother i get to [TS]

  a stop sign somebody sees my daughter [TS]

  died waiting there like I treat myself [TS]

  like a car i wait if they're there i [TS]

  give them the wave and then please go [TS]

  right ahead and then they gave me this [TS]

  ok night and i say i don't think then [TS]

  they give you that they get me the more [TS]

  aggressive like no I'm later you go [TS]

  never ever take the wave and walk [TS]

  through the crosswalk because they can't [TS]

  see what you see [TS]

  yeah yeah well different you know yeah [TS]

  when people can people when people do [TS]

  that when they know when they're like no [TS]

  you go i always take out my phone that's [TS]

  just start looking at Twitter III then [TS]

  the one time i will make eye contact up [TS]

  to the point where I want them to go and [TS]

  they're actually i don't see them and [TS]

  I'll stare all talk to my daughter way [TS]

  for them to go well then this is the [TS]

  this is why i think that the four-way [TS]

  stops should just be they all for the [TS]

  stop sign should go away because you [TS]

  know in a situation where it's a [TS]

  four-way stop technically that is a [TS]

  four-way stop it might as well if [TS]

  there's no signal it's a four-way stop [TS]

  that's right and and so what what [TS]

  happens with what happens with the 4-way [TS]

  stop is it lulls people into thinking [TS]

  that that some super authority is in [TS]

  charge [TS]

  thanks Obama thanks Obama that's right [TS]

  whereas I a four-way uncontrolled [TS]

  intersection everybody is personally [TS]

  responsible and slender down there could [TS]

  be watching their that's right and so [TS]

  you know so they may not stop but [TS]

  everybody's shit lookin out [TS]

  yeah going into a four-way uncontrolled [TS]

  intersection and ultimately that's your [TS]

  point that's what they should you know [TS]

  what you want is everybody's complete [TS]

  attention and and stop signs create [TS]

  create a an environment where over time [TS]

  people just get lulled into into a state [TS]

  of like duh [TS]

  i'll send you a link to a PDF that I [TS]

  think you will find very interesting [TS]

  only see probably you know i love links [TS]

  to PDF well especially if it's about the [TS]

  project to try and make our streetcar [TS]

  line faster and more efficient and then [TS]

  changes that they will be making which [TS]

  are somewhat fascinating in a little bit [TS]

  scary but I'm glad to see them putting [TS]

  some thought into it i'm very excited as [TS]

  your student this you go and you do [TS]

  something a couple dozen times and [TS]

  pretty soon you're like you're like an [TS]

  associate professor of that topic right [TS]

  that's right you know how to make this [TS]

  thing better I know how to make the walk [TS]

  the line at walgreens better [TS]

  that's right right I i could do I don't [TS]

  know you got the will to power walgreens [TS]

  should pay you a million dollars a year [TS]

  like they're paying Jeb Bush for [TS]

  whatever is everything speak well no [TS]

  it's not walgreens it's Barclays but [TS]

  somebody's paying Jeb Bush a million [TS]

  dollars a year i should be on some kind [TS]

  of walgreens retainer for sure but i [TS]

  think there might be some traffic [TS]

  calming coming which is one of those [TS]

  things where you can get that done right [TS]

  I just hope we don't lose our stop sign [TS]

  I like our stop sign yeah traffic [TS]

  calming I know that's that starts to [TS]

  think it starts to feel like it's the it [TS]

  is the it's the local transportation [TS]

  boards version of public housing we're [TS]

  trying to solve a problem with a by [TS]

  creating like 20 more problems [TS]

  yeah yeah it's a you know it's it's a [TS]

  classic liberal idea it's almost like [TS]

  let me help you get a I know you need [TS]

  work so I'm going to get you a job [TS]

  working in fast food we have to own a [TS]

  car to get there and you make a college [TS]

  that will help you and and you have to [TS]

  live an hour and a half away because [TS]

  because because change can't afford to [TS]

  live in the city [TS]

  well i was i was a i was walking around [TS]

  the other day and I and I and I stopped [TS]

  a train track to let train go by and I [TS]

  was watching the train and I was [TS]

  thinking about the trains in America and [TS]

  I was like you know what the trains in [TS]

  America needs some reform I have a I [TS]

  have a big plan [TS]

  I have a big I have a big picture I mean [TS]

  I'm just standing here watching this one [TS]

  train go by but in the course of that 10 [TS]

  minutes of waiting i developed a very a [TS]

  pretty big comprehensive picture of [TS]

  trains in America and what I thought the [TS]

  problems were and how I needed to reform [TS]

  them and so I'm out for a walk and now [TS]

  i'm in train reform mode and so I [TS]

  started you know so i started [TS]

  daydreaming I start fantasizing about [TS]

  like what would it take for me to be in [TS]

  it in a position where my trend reforms [TS]

  could really be enacted with whatever [TS]

  jumping ahead to ask if you could lay [TS]

  out a little bit about the problem space [TS]

  as you see it in in leading up to your [TS]

  trainer for programmer sure well so have [TS]

  you had what you had eight or ten [TS]

  minutes to sit there [TS]

  yeah so scared to training things so the [TS]

  trains you know the reason that that the [TS]

  the trains were built a big part of it [TS]

  was that the the the federal government [TS]

  granted the railroads all these enormous [TS]

  land grants that not only enabled them [TS]

  to build the railroads because of course [TS]

  they needed the land but the the federal [TS]

  government granted them tremendous land [TS]

  around the railroads that they were you [TS]

  know that was the that was their [TS]

  incentive to build the railroads because [TS]

  once they built the railroads than they [TS]

  were in the land business is a pretty [TS]

  good deal they owned the land around [TS]

  little building in a kind of [TS]

  checkerboard pass you could put the [TS]

  train where you want and then make a [TS]

  town [TS]

  well no like we need you did we need you [TS]

  to build the train out to San Francisco [TS]

  but we're not going to expect you two to [TS]

  make this a tremendous capital [TS]

  investment and then just be the guys who [TS]

  are trying to make that money back by [TS]

  selling train tickets like I mean this [TS]

  is the plot of every Western I mean [TS]

  every other western right was like well [TS]

  the train's coming through but there you [TS]

  know but they're running it and running [TS]

  around the towels girl or racially [TS]

  sensitive municipally minded Western [TS]

  yeah right exactly [TS]

  this is the this is the Western where [TS]

  the problem is that you know that the [TS]

  judge is corrupt not the natalie wood [TS]

  was kidnapped right anyway so the [TS]

  railroads became the rarest became very [TS]

  rich and the railroads that and became [TS]

  rich off of the public [TS]

  I'm basically off of the public like and [TS]

  this is the great thing about federal [TS]

  land grants or federal grazing rights or [TS]

  federal water rights or all these [TS]

  federal grants that were initially made [TS]

  by the government as an incentive for [TS]

  somebody to go turn the Southern [TS]

  California desert into strawberry farms [TS]

  or you know or build a dam or whatever [TS]

  it is the federal government wanted you [TS]

  to do they they they pay they paid you [TS]

  in land so often land and resources [TS]

  rights which people immediately think of [TS]

  as that God gave them those things right [TS]

  and that those land grants and rights to [TS]

  resources and land are something like us [TS]

  something at age-old and with a you know [TS]

  like this whole business of this Yahoo [TS]

  down in in Nevada who feels like his [TS]

  right to graze cattle on [TS]

  right to graze cattle on [TS]

  federal land is some some god-given [TS]

  right you know and it's a very common [TS]

  it's very common thing in and so many of [TS]

  the oil companies and mining companies [TS]

  timber companies railroads the farmers [TS]

  like they're all being subsidized by the [TS]

  government by the federal government but [TS]

  they act they believe not just act they [TS]

  believe that those grants are some are [TS]

  something that preceded the government [TS]

  and that the government has no right to [TS]

  administrate I guess anyway so the so [TS]

  we're in a situation now where the [TS]

  railroad I mean like these a 2.2 say let [TS]

  me see your kid that's a privilege not a [TS]

  right like they feel like it's the right [TS]

  oh they absolutely it's not a freebie [TS]

  they were lucky enough to lottery their [TS]

  way into it's something they should have [TS]

  gotten sooner probably yeah and and then [TS]

  they can point to the fact that they [TS]

  earned it you know the railroads earned [TS]

  it because in 1860 some some like [TS]

  corporate forefather of theirs built a [TS]

  railroad although that was a subsidized [TS]

  process to it's not like any of those [TS]

  guys were actually out [TS]

  hammering spikes mean that was like they [TS]

  were paying they were paying chinese and [TS]

  and Italian people like a penny a day to [TS]

  do it like there's the the idea that the [TS]

  idea that it's a right is not something [TS]

  that they feel it is they they know it [TS]

  is a right it is they have made sure [TS]

  over the over a hundred and fifty years [TS]

  that they have enshrined in the law [TS]

  multiple times that it's a right so that [TS]

  every congressman they had in their [TS]

  pocket over the last hundred fifty years [TS]

  has introduced a new layer of [TS]

  legislation that enshrines it Alec [TS]

  disney and copyright yeah right i mean [TS]

  like you got this thing that one time [TS]

  that we should get that forever [TS]

  is it absolutely and so so Burlington [TS]

  Northern or a you know [TS]

  santafe railroad or whatever these [TS]

  companies which are which are like [TS]

  corporate entities that have [TS]

  that have absorbed 25 smaller railroads [TS]

  and it's all changed hands a thousand [TS]

  times and it was owned by Monsanto at [TS]

  one point and you know like now it's [TS]

  owned by Berkshire Hathaway but the [TS]

  railroad a you know their rights to [TS]

  those corridors are in volumes you know [TS]

  like they not [TS]

  not only do they feel like they have [TS]

  like a like a a enshrined right to these [TS]

  enormous quarters right through the [TS]

  center of every American place but that [TS]

  they allow their they graciously allow [TS]

  for instance amtrak to lease a certain [TS]

  amount of time on the on that track [TS]

  well let's say three times a day they [TS]

  allow amtrak to run a passenger train [TS]

  from X to Y but that's it there's no you [TS]

  know you can't you can't introduce a [TS]

  fourth train into the mix [TS]

  no matter how many people are riding the [TS]

  trains or whatever and you know and it's [TS]

  and at and the other arguments for why [TS]

  it's non-negotiable or why that there's [TS]

  no access to that to that track i mean [TS]

  they're they're 40 argument some of them [TS]

  economic some of them Imperial but no [TS]

  awareness or no sense of like what which [TS]

  would should be true which is that [TS]

  yeah we you were granted this stuff a [TS]

  long time ago and really ultimately like [TS]

  that Grant is a grant that we [TS]

  are making to you everyday based on it [TS]

  like we're making a good-faith we are we [TS]

  are redesigning that grant to you [TS]

  everyday until until it is a but it [TS]

  doesn't work anymore like there is no [TS]

  reason why we shouldn't accept except [TS]

  for the vested interests of a thousand [TS]

  of pieces of legislation over the last [TS]

  hundred years there's no reason why any [TS]

  Secretary of Transportation shouldn't [TS]

  say you know what let's revisit this [TS]

  let's revisit the rights of way of every [TS]

  railroad in the country and figure out [TS]

  what's the best like we're that the [TS]

  nation is a system the National [TS]

  Transportation great is a system and [TS]

  rather than have 40 different [TS]

  jurisdictions and 40 different little [TS]

  fiefdoms and all these people sitting on [TS]

  boards of directors saying well we can't [TS]

  let another we can repurpose these [TS]

  tracks or these rights of way because [TS]

  because economics you know it we should [TS]

  be able to look at we should be able to [TS]

  look at that grid and this is the thing [TS]

  about the energy grid about the highway [TS]

  grid about like all the all the way that [TS]

  resources are extracted and moved about [TS]

  the country it their all grids and they [TS]

  are being administered by you know all [TS]

  these micro jurisdictions and they're in [TS]

  there isn't there isn't the will to say [TS]

  no you know what this is a great it [TS]

  needs to run it needs to run smoothly [TS]

  and it needs to run and some editing the [TS]

  decisions need to be made from one place [TS]

  i mean that that scares a lot of people [TS]

  but anyway this was my fantasy as i [TS]

  walked along the street thinking you [TS]

  know really the only job for me is [TS]

  Secretary of Transportation I'll guy [TS]

  that would be good and if I would you [TS]

  retired or which you would you want to [TS]

  have the job for no I don't want to have [TS]

  this job in the problem with it for you [TS]

  the problem with it would be that you [TS]

  would you would as soon as I mean if I [TS]

  were ever nominated for the Secretary of [TS]

  Transportation they would listen some [TS]

  staffer would listen to this podcast all [TS]

  through and then they would prepare a [TS]

  very red type memo like all caps memo [TS]

  saying listen we need to get in front of [TS]

  this guy fast see I think this is not [TS]

  even thinking about this and there's so [TS]

  many things where it seems to me like [TS]

  first we have to have staged on a [TS]

  personal level it seems like you cut [TS]

  yourself short a lot of these things you [TS]

  tell you figure out why you can't be a [TS]

  CIA agent figure out why you can't be [TS]

  the excuse me operative the the retired [TS]

  director of the CIA all these different [TS]

  things you've already figured out how [TS]

  you can get there because of the system [TS]

  like what if you were more like a ronin [TS]

  right [TS]

  like what if you are somebody who is [TS]

  like hired by the community so what if [TS]

  what if instead of being elected [TS]

  transferred secretary transportation you [TS]

  were basically a crowdfunded you be the [TS]

  these are of Transportation a ground [TS]

  swell of popular demand [TS]

  yes and it's like no we have we've [TS]

  decided to secretary of transportation [TS]

  is it is the Tsar is deeper than [TS]

  grassroots is like this isn't deep [TS]

  tendrils I'm just saying the thing is [TS]

  it's one thing to go to uh huh [TS]

  15 guys gonna make it through the Senate [TS]

  hearing when you know what time he [TS]

  smoked pot in 1978 in your case there's [TS]

  not gonna be anybody looking back I mean [TS]

  if you've got them literally the Mandate [TS]

  of the people if they pay your salary [TS]

  and maybe some kind of a one-armed [TS]

  expeditionary force but some something [TS]

  you could have on your side you go in [TS]

  there day one you just start deciding [TS]

  that everything in America is basically [TS]

  an easement and then we decide you're [TS]

  all sharing all of this right that's [TS]

  what we could pull your easement rights [TS]

  at any time [TS]

  well I'll start all over let's ditch [TS]

  that I'm glad it's here we enjoyed your [TS]

  railway thank you very much mr. uh mr. [TS]

  railroad barons great great great great [TS]

  grand daughter but let's let's zero out [TS]

  the faders here start again in jars are [TS]

  John has some ideas for how we're gonna [TS]

  move the grid around [TS]

  yeah that's exactly right and you know [TS]

  the regulating the trucking industry [TS]

  haha i mean and anything that even [TS]

  considered even vaguely regulated at [TS]

  this point all just only the finest you [TS]

  can regulate the shit [TS]

  out of that but so so here we go we got [TS]

  the trucking industry we got the [TS]

  railroad industry these are big vested [TS]

  interests and yet where are the [TS]

  resources for the gondola industry [TS]

  yeah absolutely ziplines the economies [TS]

  of scale that you could get together by [TS]

  bringing the gondola and see the postal [TS]

  service together for so many economies [TS]

  of scale to this that are being silly [TS]

  little five times right now John got a [TS]

  bunch of assistant vice president from [TS]

  around the goddamn country you have to [TS]

  look at it as a system and the Postal [TS]

  Service's a perfect example i was [TS]

  thinking about that the other day as I [TS]

  walked past the post office the public [TS]

  like grind my teeth wondering why we [TS]

  just don't get mail at the post office [TS]

  and the and the amtrak both have a that [TS]

  they're they're branded very similarly [TS]

  in a kind of like faded red and blue and [TS]

  gray motif there's this slogan for [TS]

  Amtrak and usps should be a middle-aged [TS]

  man shrugging his social right it's been [TS]

  behind behind kind of like some [TS]

  bulletproof glass like new can't help [TS]

  but like hard tho those those two things [TS]

  like that that the health of Amtrak and [TS]

  the help of the postal service should be [TS]

  in some ways [TS]

  well now we're not let me let me let me [TS]

  revisit that because i was thinking [TS]

  about money you have plenty of time to [TS]

  figure out all the details out each big [TS]

  picture is what's important at this [TS]

  point i was thinking about is the post [TS]

  office just a thing like the telegraph [TS]

  service that with that we used for a [TS]

  long time and where we were we felt very [TS]

  romantically about it but it but it's [TS]

  just a an anachronism and we and there's [TS]

  no reason to preserve it any more than [TS]

  there was a reason to preserve the [TS]

  kinect you know the Erie Canal or is a [TS]

  postal service like intrinsically part [TS]

  of the health of the nation and I mean [TS]

  we we still need to move packages around [TS]

  is that a business that the government [TS]

  needs to be in I [TS]

  such a simple solution I can't believe [TS]

  no one will listen to me on this I want [TS]

  to hear it ok I get here it is [TS]

  keep doing everything you're doing keep [TS]

  selling pixar stamps and stop the sticky [TS]

  note that the key strategy over the last [TS]

  few years such as it is has been to sell [TS]

  stamps nobody will ever want to use [TS]

  which i think is brilliant [TS]

  oh it's like it's like against your way [TS]

  but yes okay you're ready here's [TS]

  Merlin's plan for fixing the postal [TS]

  service [TS]

  ok mail delivery two days a week monday [TS]

  and thursday thank you you're welcome [TS]

  wow why do we need daily mail delivery [TS]

  you're absolutely right we do not need [TS]

  it we don't know Saturday mail delivery [TS]

  nobody needs if you need a faster pay to [TS]

  have it done faster pay the postal [TS]

  service because they've opened up those [TS]

  resources where they can compete on [TS]

  somewhere between not getting your mail [TS]

  and fedex see that is a really really [TS]

  good idea like five dollars for like [TS]

  what is it was three percent like three [TS]

  bucks to get something there in two days [TS]

  that should be five dollars if you want [TS]

  your mail before that will deliver it to [TS]

  this place by hand for five dollars [TS]

  Wow from alright so you obviously need [TS]

  i'm serving your pleasure but like you [TS]

  do anything to help with that [TS]

  you know I don't know what I got the [TS]

  outfit i could be pretty into it i could [TS]

  I just as an admiral but like the trains [TS]

  I feel very strongly about the trains as [TS]

  you know and the trains God could be [TS]

  such a great system and I can't believe [TS]

  they're less efficient [TS]

  I can't believe that an 18-wheel truck [TS]

  is that efficient for the number of [TS]

  things that it's used for it's [TS]

  absolutely ponders to me that that could [TS]

  be it must be i mean people aren't [TS]

  stupid people don't spend money where [TS]

  they don't have to but I can't believe [TS]

  that putting fuel into an 18-wheel truck [TS]

  and driving halfway across the country [TS]

  is more efficient than putting on a [TS]

  train [TS]

  I don't understand that I never have [TS]

  well you helped me doesn't know why is [TS]

  that what people do that's the same [TS]

  containers containers i have wondered [TS]

  and wondered and wondered about it what [TS]

  what sense it makes to have a person who [TS]

  is not sleeping [TS]

  yeah driving a multi-time truck [TS]

  consuming all of those resources yet [TS]

  four-and-a-half dollars to get lawn [TS]

  chairs to Missouri yeah I don't [TS]

  understand it either and it's part of [TS]

  the it's part of I guess why I need to [TS]

  go [TS]

  a master's degree in interstate commerce [TS]

  no you need to just you need to tear the [TS]

  system open and see what's inside you [TS]

  need to whack that fucking yacht and [TS]

  find out what's happening in these [TS]

  crooked great industries [TS]

  yeah it writ it really really confuses [TS]

  me like I understand why I barely [TS]

  understand how can possibly be [TS]

  cost-effective to cut down the trees in [TS]

  Washington put them on a giant boat ship [TS]

  them to Asia where they are manufactured [TS]

  into things that are then put on a ship [TS]

  ship back to us [TS]

  yes trucked to a store how can we just [TS]

  for another millennium how opponent [TS]

  dollar ninety-nine like that's the thing [TS]

  I don't understand like okay all of that [TS]

  I if that's what it takes I guess to [TS]

  make that thing [TS]

  fine how else is he gonna know he's the [TS]

  world's greatest grandpa [TS]

  well and so and this is what this is the [TS]

  thing that this is the thing that you [TS]

  see when you look at old buildings when [TS]

  you look at cathedrals you realize that [TS]

  up until a hundred years ago the [TS]

  cheapest the cheapest element of any [TS]

  project was Labor raw materials were [TS]

  expensive labor was cheap and you can [TS]

  have you can have 25 Italian guys [TS]

  sitting with hammers and chisels carving [TS]

  the little detail that's going to go on [TS]

  the cat the capstone of your building a [TS]

  Seraphin penis glans yeah they're just [TS]

  going to be sitting and they're gonna [TS]

  they're gonna spend a thousand man hours [TS]

  carving this decorative element that [TS]

  you're going to put up on top of a [TS]

  building that is a grain warehouse [TS]

  because why not [TS]

  we got all these Italians they seem to [TS]

  know how to do it we can get him off the [TS]

  streets [TS]

  it does you know it bricks are more [TS]

  expensive a pallet of bricks is cost [TS]

  more than this guy's life so yeah you [TS]

  know like have him carte have him carve [TS]

  all this work in stone now we're living [TS]

  in a world completely where that is [TS]

  completely inverted labor is [TS]

  far and away the most expensive aspect [TS]

  of anything [TS]

  yeah and so it makes sense to to ship [TS]

  this stuff all the way around the world [TS]

  just because somewhere else [TS]

  there is like an eleven-year-old girl [TS]

  with tiny hands that will do the work [TS]

  for a penny and and then we're going to [TS]

  ship it all the way back and and still [TS]

  selling for dollar 99 and still make [TS]

  forty percent problems they said [TS]

  recording a podcast on the Macintosh [TS]

  computer haha [TS]

  absolutely i'm saying you're picking my [TS]

  teeth with a toothpick that was [TS]

  hand-carved for me in Thailand [TS]

  Thank You certainly but but it but it is [TS]

  insane to me that that can't possibly be [TS]

  true and again systemically and this is [TS]

  where back to one world government or [TS]

  whatever but since the 11 up like a [TS]

  global regulatory agency but like that [TS]

  grid that system which is ultimately [TS]

  like the biggest make-work project in [TS]

  human history where somebody some guy [TS]

  with like oakley sunglasses up on top of [TS]

  his head on the back of his neck on the [TS]

  back of his neck says you know what we [TS]

  know what we need we need squeezy [TS]

  bottles we need we need beer cozies [TS]

  that's a big dick on and and so begins [TS]

  you know so the fuse is lit and begins [TS]

  this you know this massive undertaking [TS]

  involving hundreds of people she know [TS]

  trans global shipping oil being refined [TS]

  you know like boats being built ships [TS]

  sinking off the you know off the coast [TS]

  and all this stuff and it's just like [TS]

  and here come the big dick beer cozies [TS]

  that this guy that this guy envisioned [TS]

  finally we have we've we've done it [TS]

  we've done it we brought you know we [TS]

  made these things that we brought him [TS]

  here and he's selling them [TS]

  he's selling them at the at the [TS]

  widespread panic [TS]

  show and we feel like we are fucking [TS]

  doing it you know like commerce is [TS]

  happening we are alive and it's like [TS]

  where do you start [TS]

  like how far up the chain [TS]

  do you want to go before before somebody [TS]

  says like what will well but we we don't [TS]

  meet that yeah we don't need that should [TS]

  be harder that should be harder for that [TS]

  asshole to do you know like that and [TS]

  that is that that's the ultimate that's [TS]

  the ultimate like auntie American thing [TS]

  to say the ultimate anti-capitalist [TS]

  thing to say [TS]

  absolutely it's like that guy who had [TS]

  that that barely what you would barely [TS]

  describe as an idea that might have a [TS]

  typo on it'll still make it [TS]

  it should be and it's just it's all [TS]

  going to end up in a good well anyway [TS]

  big duck yeah that that I think should [TS]

  be harder for that guy to accomplish and [TS]

  and and the success of his [TS]

  accomplishments should not be a thing [TS]

  that we all take pride in so maybe there [TS]

  should be some kind of a broader [TS]

  national kickstarter for every project [TS]

  where people would just have to say you [TS]

  know or can you know I guess the obvious [TS]

  could be a kick stopper or kick positive [TS]

  kick spoiler something where people can [TS]

  change up and say now we reject this we [TS]

  do not want big duck beer koozies I i [TS]

  feel like the the US Patent Office the [TS]

  patent office should be expanded to a [TS]

  global office boy and look at the Patent [TS]

  Office should be should be like you know [TS]

  that the steps of the Supreme Court [TS]

  everything that they just you know kind [TS]

  of go up and up and up in the building [TS]

  is up there [TS]

  the the patent office should be like [TS]

  this [TS]

  pantheon and there should be 10 miles of [TS]

  steps and every single you know there [TS]

  should be 10 steps and then a little [TS]

  flat space it's like a ropes course to [TS]

  get there [TS]

  yeah and and on every flat space there [TS]

  should be a folding table and two people [TS]

  in chairs [TS]

  and you should have to make your pitch [TS]

  haha every ten steps as you walk up the [TS]

  hill and end the two people sitting at [TS]

  tables like they that they should each [TS]

  table should have a little stamp like [TS]

  pass or fail and you also have to [TS]

  deliver some mail when you arrive there [TS]

  and there and the terms and crazy freak [TS] band should be playing I am a [TS]

  bill i am only a bill the entire way of [TS]

  the steps [TS]

  this is the kind of thinking we need [TS]

  John this is what we need at the top is [TS]

  somebody who can find these ATVs and the [TS]

  phrase but these economies of scale [TS]

  there's there's no reason we can't we [TS]

  can't hook some of these train cars [TS]

  together if you like [TS]

  can you imagine at a railroad system [TS]

  that was really designed that was really [TS]

  designed as a national system for [TS]

  maximum efficiency to replace as much of [TS]

  the as much of the business of trucking [TS]

  as you can so that in the same way that [TS]

  that there's this movie there's this [TS]

  movement among the one-percent to open [TS]

  up all the regional airports to small [TS]

  jet traffic [TS]

  yeah so when we're no longer clustering [TS]

  everybody through atlanta but you know [TS]

  right within three miles of my house [TS]

  there like five airports that could [TS]

  handle up a small jet for like Larry [TS]

  Ellison types [TS]

  well silent but that it would be it [TS]

  would be a version of ultimately it [TS]

  would get the idea is that if I'm flying [TS]

  to san francisco tomorrow rather than [TS]

  get in my car granted the smokin hot [TS]

  models dead essentially i should have to [TS]

  get your st. Louis to get to dallas or [TS]

  whatever but even even I shouldn't have [TS]

  to go to seatac right but I could just [TS]

  go down to the airport here and renton [TS]

  and taken and and take an airplane and [TS]

  if i'm coming to visit you take an [TS]

  airplane to some airport that's probably [TS]

  they're in Golden Gate Park or some [TS]

  Island be fine like that if all those [TS]

  regional airports were also serving [TS]

  serving the hub and spoke railroad [TS]

  stations [TS]

  I think railroads in [TS]

  American need to become the new internet [TS]

  well you can't figure out something goes [TS]

  you put on the fucking Internet charge [TS]

  for it or not or whatever you put an ad [TS]

  on it but the point is if we put that [TS]

  kind of effort into having trains wants [TS]

  to replace the internet but definitely [TS]

  stand alongside it the kind of thing [TS]

  that would be and then that last mile [TS]

  which is be getting stuff from one place [TS]

  to another you find ways a truck for [TS]

  that we attracted take some three miles [TS]

  not to get 950 miles on electric truck [TS]

  hmm that goes from the regional little [TS]

  train hub now you're gonna get struck [TS]

  out of fleece an electric fleece truck [TS]

  gonna pose that it's something the thing [TS]

  is then you wouldn't even have to look [TS]

  both ways when you cross the street [TS]

  given by a guy with the curly mustache [TS]

  is your Laird I got hit by the fleet's [TS]

  truck that was great one of the trucks [TS]

  had to all be old-timey old-timey [TS]

  looking but made out of modern materials [TS]

  water these so it's like Oh Donna the [TS]

  unique cultural of the rid of the region [TS]

  you have a you can have a steam truck [TS]

  and I want you can hold one of the ship [TS]

  containers you're good to go [TS]

  they would all have little fleece [TS]

  moustaches moustaches and you can take [TS]

  some mail with you after the second [TS]

  that's writes itself [TS]

  it's not crazy then we have a whole [TS]

  system is just about taking a piece of [TS]

  paper from one place to another [TS]

  it's so stupid yeah well or I mean all [TS]

  the stupidity [TS]

  oh the stupidity a lot of you know [TS]

  Merlin a lot of these things we could be [TS]

  we could be handcrafting in our own [TS]

  homes are given given given the rights [TS]

  lips part of my project is a spinning [TS]

  wheel for every home now when you say [TS]

  spinning wheel a lot of people are going [TS]

  to think of Rumpelstiltskin i'm guessing [TS]

  it's a little more systems cyber [TS]

  spinning we will listen and 3d printer [TS]

  meats like I'm people [TS]

  everybody's got these soft little dogs [TS]

  these days [TS]

  yeah right all across the country people [TS]

  are carrying around their stuff gone [TS]

  crazy for soft dogs that are soft little [TS]

  dogs with soft little firm and why are [TS]

  we not spinning that into war god damn [TS]

  it was ridiculous that these ideas end [TS]

  with this podcast it's sickening to me [TS]

  it's that shit is softer than alpaca [TS]

  yeah and all these people with these [TS]

  soft little dogs what are they doing [TS]

  just sitting and watching reality the [TS]

  runaround clean up their poop not using [TS]

  the poop for anything oh no so you put [TS]

  the dog you put the dog on a high high [TS]

  protein diet and ya sleep over the slip [TS]

  CIU kind of fascinated him to a little [TS]

  tray a little trade that's always kind [TS]

  of shaking [TS]

  yeah a little like it's theirs up [TS]

  there's like a food chute and then I was [TS]

  like shaking trivia Jetsons treadmill [TS]

  try to study generate the energy to [TS]

  remove his own and then the dog will so [TS]

  the poops going away on the treadmill [TS]

  but also because we're getting out of a [TS]

  space minerals and then diamonds out of [TS]

  that [TS]

  oh and then there's like a robot comb [TS]

  but always combing the new further he's [TS]

  growing as that by and then the people [TS]

  who are sitting and watching reality [TS]

  television could also beasts they could [TS]

  be sitting at a spinning wheel [TS]

  Thank You be turning that will into [TS]

  thread into indy on we can retrofit lazy [TS]

  boy so that look at this side actually [TS]

  produces a few kilowatts of energy [TS]

  why do we even need trucks I mean we [TS]

  would think as we could reduce a lot of [TS]

  the commodity that with cannons [TS]

  artillery also he just don't need that [TS]

  much paper limps dirigibles as [TS]

  transportation secretary my dirigibles [TS]

  platform is going to be dynamite [TS]

  hmm can you help a lot of people thanks [TS]

  oh that's good [TS]