Roderick on the Line

Ep. 118: "The Articulated Hose King"


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  hello I John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

  it's going pretty good how are you huh [TS]

  and missed you i know you're back i'm [TS]

  almost back [TS]

  hm-hm can expand on that a little well i [TS]

  don't i don't feel a hundred percent [TS]

  back i'm leaving again in a in a couple [TS]

  of days to do some more cross-country [TS]

  airplane flights which is my number one [TS]

  job cross-country airplane flight so I'm [TS]

  here but I feel I feel like a dead man [TS]

  walking a little bit i gotta get on an [TS]

  airplane I gotta go do some more dumb [TS]

  shit it's like you're on parole from a [TS]

  plane right I'm on hot that's right I [TS]

  got it I got a three-day pass from my [TS]

  airplane [TS]

  uh-huh and now i can just like walk [TS]

  around I can breathe normal air i can [TS]

  see the flowers blooming every minute [TS]

  feels like a lifetime [TS]

  it's almost it's almost it's worse than [TS]

  just being on the plane just landed [TS]

  that's the greatest trick the devil ever [TS]

  pulled was not having your flights [TS]

  contiguous my goodness i thought you [TS]

  know the thing is before i had a child I [TS]

  would have just stayed back on the east [TS]

  coast for the last week and I would have [TS]

  just gone to cafes and I would have I [TS]

  would have gone to other cafes don't [TS]

  know where I would have been a lot of [TS]

  roast beef sandwiches what time to do [TS]

  all those things that you just don't [TS]

  have time to do now you could start and [TS]

  maintain some new social media accounts [TS]

  and you can get a read and or right on [TS]

  the book and right now I don't have the [TS]

  reading time that you still got uh yeah [TS]

  I could go to rockefeller center and [TS]

  then spin around and then throw my hat [TS]

  in the air [TS]

  oh yeah thinking that you're in [TS]

  minneapolis say yeah well you know [TS]

  everywhere you go if you three and [TS]

  you're in the air you're in minneapolis [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah you can skate yeah they [TS]

  probably the Department skating yet but [TS]

  you know everything i did a gal one time [TS]

  many years ago who had a picture of [TS]

  herself skating you know what kind of [TS]

  one leg lifted in the air and her hands [TS]

  up in the air in front of Rockefeller [TS]

  Center and it was right on her desk she [TS]

  and it was it was at her desk it was [TS]

  facing out it wasn't it wasn't one that [TS]

  she was looking at it was what she [TS]

  wanted you to stop me to get all roll-on [TS]

  Barth here but that's that's there's a [TS]

  lot of signification in that so she had [TS]

  she had a picture of herself skating on [TS]

  one leg that she liked [TS]

  that's right but she wanted you to see [TS]

  it right she had a Dorothy Hamill [TS]

  haircut which helped the presentation of [TS]

  the whole photograph her and she [TS]

  happened to be my guidance counselor [TS]

  when i was in college i was always in [TS]

  contact is it that guidance counselor [TS]

  yeah she was whatever 39 yeah she was [TS]

  actually a little little person right to [TS]

  what was she like when she like super [TS]

  Dinklage was she she was a diminutive [TS]

  woman but she wasn't she she did not [TS]

  have a chromosomal smallest think the [TS]

  term is spinner she was a just I don't I [TS]

  do not think the term spinner she was [TS]

  probably four foot eleven nice forefoot [TS]

  that about [TS]

  that's about half of your height yeah [TS]

  yeah that's right well when you when you [TS]

  when you consider that at the time i was [TS]

  teasing my hair up pretty nu square [TS]

  solution small he'll know [TS]

  yeah no longer boots were all they're [TS]

  all the rage sure [TS]

  iight man i think that's super [TS]

  interesting i don't derail you John but [TS]

  i don't--there's the stuff that we put [TS]

  on our desk to have people you know [TS]

  essentially make comments about you know [TS]

  it's like I feel this way about people [TS]

  with big dogs and funny t-shirts like [TS]

  when somebody's got a big dog or in San [TS]

  Francisco as you know two or more of the [TS]

  exact same large dog again are getting [TS]

  popular conservative yes they are both [TS]

  Belgian taverns is that ok with you [TS]

  it's Nikita and another akita but he's [TS]

  so mean and I 40 be so cynical and/or [TS]

  got a lot of reasons to be angry just a [TS]

  couple bubbling up to the surface like a [TS]

  hot soup [TS]

  excuse me I'm sorry is this your [TS]

  crosswalk should i have had some kind of [TS]

  a applied for at least two be here [TS]

  someone or someone just just recently [TS]

  tweeted us asking us to dsr show [TS]

  yeah and I think you just gave them a [TS]

  lifetime of [TS]

  but the post-traumatic stress this is me [TS]

  what are you and your you and your hate [TS]

  will be able to see park here in the in [TS]

  the crosswalk for the rest of the day [TS]

  and i guess i'll just go walk into [TS]

  traffic if that's okay with you [TS]

  so you're feeling is that people with [TS]

  two dogs are that they are they're going [TS]

  to all the expense and trouble of caring [TS]

  for and feeding and cleaning up the poop [TS]

  of yes to charge giant dogs for the [TS]

  sticks breast purpose of inspiring you [TS]

  to ask them a question about them i [TS]

  think we see the express purpose but [TS]

  it's like having a unix joke on your [TS]

  t-shirt where I guess the hope is that [TS]

  somebody else has a unix person will [TS]

  look at looking like a little head nod [TS]

  or something right [TS]

  but you know yes I may explain like you [TS]

  know there's no place like 192 dot one [TS]

  yes like what what iiiii counties I [TS]

  crave a head nod from a unix person my [TS]

  whole life I've never gotten ahead and [TS]

  just say sue had not and so I you know [TS]

  but no no but here's the thing is like [TS]

  you know I got a kid we walk around we [TS]

  like dogs and we don't we don't we don't [TS]

  she knows how to approach a dog if the [TS]

  owner says it's okay but will sometimes [TS]

  say hey that's really cool you have [TS]

  you've got a you've got a what's a giant [TS]

  dog you've got a great thing and you've [TS]

  got a shih tzu that's really fun [TS]

  that's hilarious and look in here oh my [TS]

  eyes you know you're already bored of [TS]

  the hilarious it is that they did this [TS]

  alert you think you shouldn't be [TS]

  surprised that people are going to you [TS]

  know it's like the like the dad says in [TS]

  was sixteen Candles pretty pink sixteen [TS]

  Candles he says you know if you put out [TS]

  those signals people going to pick up on [TS]

  that if you get a big dog in a tiny dog [TS]

  people can ask you a picture [TS]

  sorry Dean Stanton Harry Dean Stanton [TS]

  was pretty in pink [TS]

  yeah and so I don't know I'm just saying [TS]

  if you got a picture yourself ice [TS]

  skating on one leg in your 411 don't be [TS]

  surprised if people want to make remarks [TS]

  well c and the thing is sometimes I [TS]

  worry that my entire house and really my [TS]

  entire existence is just like trolling [TS]

  for that kind of that for 4 i'm just [TS]

  waiting for the question you know like [TS]

  why else do you put framed [TS]

  romanian train tickets on your [TS]

  mantelpiece unless you want somebody to [TS]

  say what are these and then the problem [TS]

  is i do not roll my eyes [TS]

  no nice guys don't even don't love [TS]

  yourself in with those you are leap up [TS]

  from the couch and bolts across the room [TS]

  platter those you ask pull out the [TS]

  telescoping pole pointer that you always [TS]

  have in your waist cooked well the [TS]

  lights all over slide know you you are I [TS]

  mean that you've given me a tours of of [TS]

  Seattle whether I wanted or not there [TS]

  was very enthusiastic no I didn't want [TS]

  them you're really good you're good at [TS]

  explaining what this body of water means [TS]

  and you like and you like people asking [TS]

  about your train tickets and I think [TS]

  that's exactly what it's there for [TS]

  if i had a giant Marmaduke dog and then [TS]

  a small purse dog i would i think i [TS]

  would be aware that I was doing that for [TS]

  a reason i was doing that to attract [TS]

  attention [TS]

  not because I just happen to like these [TS]

  two specific breeds of dogs that [TS]

  happened to be at the ends of the dog [TS]

  scale right dog continuum but I mean it [TS]

  seems like you at the very least would [TS]

  get used to it and it's not like you [TS]

  have like a horrible facial disfiguring [TS]

  shin and you have to experience your [TS]

  train accident or something but you know [TS]

  the other one is as I said I think this [TS]

  is this is the Venn diagram on this is [TS]

  pretty perfect for people who wear [TS]

  utility kilts because every person i've [TS]

  ever met every man who wears a utilikilt [TS]

  is also super into talking about his [TS]

  utility kilt I met a man on a trail just [TS]

  yesterday [TS]

  no no I'm sorry day before I I want you [TS]

  to really all the way back yet [TS]

  I know it's hard to know where I am I [TS]

  went down to the Nisqually River Delta [TS]

  at sundown and i was walking along the [TS]

  trail and I noticed some beaver some [TS]

  actual real-life Bieber right off in [TS]

  them in the water next to the trail and [TS]

  I stopped to look at them i got a tail [TS]

  slap for the for the for the privilege [TS]

  of watching them leave [TS]

  and then along the trail comes a guy in [TS]

  a utilikilt with a large camera bag and [TS]

  a fairly flourishing mustache check and [TS]

  we and he stopped and he was the name is [TS]

  Lee know it's like birds pretty isolated [TS]

  out there [TS]

  no she's just like dat vibram Toshi's [TS]

  you know at 1.i when I look down and I [TS]

  got to utility kilt my eyes went right [TS]

  back up [TS]

  I didn't go all the way to the shoes and [TS]

  he stopped and we chatted and he said [TS]

  they're closed you know this is one of [TS]

  these this is one of these parks where [TS]

  at sundown they closed and the threat is [TS]

  that they're going to lock the gate and [TS]

  lock you in [TS]

  that's kind of a threat that they do at [TS]

  some of the parks out here like sundown [TS]

  gate is locked and then you have to call [TS]

  and maybe they'll come [TS]

  maybe so he's like I got we're getting [TS]

  out of here because the gate is closing [TS]

  I was like god damn it and we stopped [TS]

  and looked at the Beavers and there was [TS]

  just something he was emanating vibe [TS]

  that was the equivalent of like if he [TS]

  had a foam trucker hat on that said ask [TS]

  me about my utility kilt and you know i [TS]

  wanna die i think i wanted to [TS]

  communicate to him that I was a [TS]

  sophisticated guy I was from Seattle [TS]

  Washington I didn't need it [TS]

  I anything up there was to know about [TS]

  utility kilt I already knew and and [TS]

  we're okay with I was accepting of it in [TS]

  the same way as I would be if he had a [TS]

  facial disfigurement from a train [TS]

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  support with Roderick online we could [TS]

  not do it without trying to give him the [TS]

  head not i'm trying to think of what [TS]

  kind of train accident would produce [TS]

  just a facial injury and making you yeah [TS]

  it stops kind of fast and it's fancy [TS]

  wine glass [TS]

  oh IC IC I had a dream last night that I [TS]

  was on an airplane like a small to [TS]

  propeller Beechcraft Bonanza style [TS]

  airplane with some friends and then [TS]

  right on final approach [TS]

  it's suddenly spun into a dive and [TS]

  crashed into a lake and then I was [TS]

  suddenly alone on the plane all of the [TS]

  friends that I was there with before [TS]

  were gone and I was struggling to get [TS]

  out of this plane underwater how God [TS]

  yeah I made it even find a lot oh my god [TS]

  I didn't even I did not even make the [TS]

  connection I know it's a little bit on [TS]

  the nose it probably means something [TS]

  about sex or your teeth or something you [TS]

  know but that's a horrible and so did [TS]

  you make it out [TS]

  I didn't make it up I'm here to podcast [TS]

  with you it's you it's not you it's like [TS]

  a snake not a podcast Paula said my [TS]

  creative creative [TS]

  oh that's so funny you should say that i [TS]

  was really rereading the the Playboy [TS]

  interview with John his wife the other [TS]

  day [TS]

  oh yeah and what did you discover he's a [TS]

  rascal [TS]

  is he does not want to talk about his [TS]

  dogs it is not want to talk about his [TS]

  kilt and he definitely does not want to [TS]

  talk about the Beatles know i watched an [TS]

  interview uh like a interview that was [TS]

  done by what a serbian television show [TS]

  an interview of Sean lemon and after [TS]

  like the 20th question about his dad she [TS]

  kind of had a fit and had to like [TS]

  collect himself and and we walk around [TS]

  the block or whatever [TS]

  really I mean I sound surprised but i'm [TS]

  not i think i would be so I mean [TS]

  anything even vaguely mention being like [TS]

  what like geoff emerick or Neil Aspinall [TS]

  like at some point you're like telling [TS]

  your war stories but a certain point you [TS]

  might be able to talk about what I've [TS]

  done since the mid sixties yeah and so [TS]

  this was you know Sean was on tour with [TS]

  his band playing a show in in you know [TS]

  somewhere in the Balkans and this TV [TS]

  personality really wanted to interview [TS]

  him and really wanted to know about his [TS]

  dad and on the one hand you have I mean [TS]

  that the one-on-one and I had a ton of [TS]

  sympathy for him on the other hand it's [TS]

  like it's like sean lennon was born with [TS]

  a great day in one hand jab at the [TS]

  jockeys are you gonna do in the other [TS]

  and that's a little thing to talk about [TS]

  yet though he's got a he's got he's got [TS]

  basically got a facial deformity which [TS]

  is that he let ya one of his arms is [TS]

  john lennon and one of them is this your [TS]

  friend like how do you first of all how [TS]

  do you deal with the facial deformity [TS]

  that's on your arms but not one arm [TS]

  native and second of all like there's [TS]

  just no like Geoff Emerick at least can [TS]

  go into a bar and sit down and just be a [TS]

  bloke who but that's a good point that's [TS]

  a good point but Sean just you know like [TS]

  Anna and I feel like he's probably spent [TS]

  his whole life insulating himself i mean [TS]

  i know for a fact he has on the Lower [TS]

  East Side surrounded by like uber [TS]

  hipster musicians who [TS]

  just you knowlike play toy instruments [TS]

  and and get do graffiti or whatever it [TS]

  is that young people do it looks like [TS]

  it's like this is we you must run into [TS]

  this all the time in the circle moving [TS]

  but there's the one kind of cool going [TS]

  ok I know this I know this guy is really [TS]

  famous but even cooler things like in [TS]

  this guy is really famous but we never [TS]

  talked about [TS]

  yeah we never talked about it we would [TS]

  never I mean I know people who play who [TS]

  have played with a with sean lennon and [TS]

  of course after you know after the [TS]

  initial it's like going to a nude beach [TS]

  like that after the first 15 minutes of [TS]

  being on a nude beach year no longer [TS]

  scandalized and after 30 minutes on a [TS]

  nude beach you feel like oh why am I [TS]

  wearing clothes [TS]

  why did I come to the nude beach and [TS]

  we're close now I feel like an idiot and [TS]

  after 45 minutes on a nude beach or like [TS]

  why why do any of us wear clothes ever [TS]

  and paying out with somebody like sean [TS]

  lennon it's exactly like that like that [TS]

  after 15 minutes you're like oh why am I [TS]

  wearing clothes but also like you know [TS]

  it's rough because like even reading [TS]

  this interview from 1980 and it's and [TS]

  Playboy's and playboy and it's pretty [TS]

  famous interview from around the time [TS]

  double fantasy came out and and you know [TS]

  the interviewers pretty dog in about [TS]

  pursuing you know his further [TS]

  questioning and one of course the [TS]

  beatles keep coming up but he also calls [TS]

  John on that whole thing of saying that [TS]

  something lives if he thinks of sean as [TS]

  his like first son is like the first and [TS]

  i think you know like with so many [TS]

  things John said I mean I you know he [TS]

  he's he's provocative he talks [TS]

  off-the-cuff and when you take it out of [TS]

  context he sounds like a dick cause he's [TS]

  kind of a dick but I think what he [TS]

  partly meant was like that the whole [TS]

  thing with Cynthia like that was not a [TS]

  great relationship [TS]

  this is the first time I feel like I've [TS]

  got a kid that's mine from the beginning [TS]

  and all the way through but he did he [TS]

  said yeah well it does feel you know so [TS]

  Shaun's gotta hold up the mantle of [TS]

  being like when you will try it out by [TS]

  Yoko in the working class hero shirt and [TS]

  like he's gotta hold up the mantle of [TS]

  talking about his father that everybody [TS]

  loves and misses and that would suck [TS]

  that would be so fun for like a week [TS]

  when you're 14 [TS]

  imagine being like 30 and still having [TS]

  everywhere he goes people want to talk [TS]

  about John Lennon [TS]

  it would totally suck but the like for [TS]

  instance when I was on tour in the [TS]

  Balkans they're always asking you about [TS]

  chocolate and this guy this reporter God [TS]

  did not come out an interview me but you [TS]

  know that the audience at a let's say a [TS]

  julian lennon show at pianos in New York [TS]

  or whatever on the Leander shine [TS]

  I'm sorry Sean oh my god the real son [TS]

  sorry the real son not that not the [TS]

  imposter that looks just like him that [TS]

  sounds just like him but the other one [TS]

  if you go to a sean lennon show on the [TS]

  lower east side [TS]

  yeah that there's gonna be a certain [TS]

  number of people there who are there the [TS]

  just because it's sean lennon but [TS]

  they're also gonna be a lot of people [TS]

  there who want to hear his particular [TS]

  brand of quirky weird indie pop you know [TS]

  like he's gonna have legitimate fans of [TS]

  his band because it's New York and there [TS]

  are legitimate is not people for a fan [TS]

  base for almost anything right [TS]

  if you're consistent if you are playing [TS]

  in if you're playing a show in Croatia [TS]

  like when i played a show in Croatia and [TS]

  a guy came up to me and wanted to talk [TS]

  to me about Chris wala there was a part [TS]

  of me that was like oh god so you're [TS]

  just here because of your just here [TS]

  because this is the closest that death [TS]

  cab has come to Croatia recently right [TS]

  but i was also grateful for him to be [TS]

  there you know like grateful for anybody [TS]

  that's that gets out of the house and [TS]

  comes to see the show for for somebody [TS]

  like Sean I'm sure there are some [TS]

  croatian fans of his music but probably [TS]

  about the same as there are croatian [TS]

  fans of the long winters everybody else [TS]

  there is in that weird Eastern European [TS]

  like John Lennon Colt and I mean things [TS]

  for the rest of his life unless he likes [TS]

  a hooker on fire he's gonna be famous [TS]

  for one thing right by an order of [TS]

  magnitude and so the solution to his [TS]

  problem is don't leave the lower east [TS]

  side millions and millions of people [TS]

  never go out from [TS]

  where they never go for miles from where [TS]

  they were born [TS]

  just stay where no one ever stay in a [TS]

  place where no one ever asks you about [TS]

  your dad if it bothers you so much [TS]

  anything beautiful pulls a Clapton and [TS]

  as like a Dulaney Bonnie and friends [TS]

  type thing he's still going to be [TS]

  remembered oh that's the one which [TS]

  online and son in it you know like [TS]

  phantom planet people no phantom planet [TS]

  because of the guy from Rushmore right [TS]

  right [TS]

  any of these are nice guy is he is he [TS]

  really is that honestly true isn't that [TS]

  side of it star fucker that's so cool [TS]

  that jason schwartzman yeah he's he's [TS]

  he's swell guy and his lady as well [TS]

  they're very sweet people i'm very happy [TS]

  to hear that I you know I don't normally [TS]

  I don't normally get all well you know [TS]

  waxing like sentimental or sweet about [TS]

  certain celebs but there are there a [TS]

  couple I've met that just make me go [TS]

  into this kind of soft voice oh where I [TS]

  just I just feel so soft and sweet and [TS]

  one of them is jason schwartzman today's [TS]

  he's very sweet [TS]

  there's another one you can give you the [TS]

  initials p.r Holly rare am bonus will [TS]

  close very close [TS]

  0080 the the woman from memory [TS]

  no not pj harvey / paul robeson e so [TS]

  close [TS]

  PR makes me feel really soft so nice [TS]

  such a nice person that he just can't [TS]

  even believe that they're also a huge [TS]

  star pam dawber know how is Pamela how I [TS]

  was paul robeson close to Pamela dabur [TS]

  that's Mike that's my question for you [TS]

  you will really well apparently they [TS]

  changed it analyst like it's not a real [TS]

  hey it's gotta be [TS]

  it's got its got a silent are this pam [TS]

  rampa darbar oh it's steam when I don't [TS]

  know who is it all rug [TS]

  Oh Paul ride life that's so nice to hear [TS]

  because I can second be real on the [TS]

  bubble don't get some which way that [TS]

  would go and i'm very happy to hear that [TS]

  oh I just want to marry him he's such a [TS]

  sweet person is he handsome in person [TS]

  also handsome those eyes and a smile he [TS]

  just ki very generous with the smile you [TS]

  got an easy smile you smile and don't [TS]

  you know and the thing about the thing [TS]

  that you want jason schwartzman to be is [TS]

  generous with the like insider funny [TS]

  funny banter and like back and forth [TS]

  over and he is [TS]

  oh he's generous with the back and forth [TS]

  in the same way that Paul Rudd is [TS]

  generous with the like the the sweet [TS]

  appreciative smile i think that takes [TS]

  I'm gonna guess i'm going to speculate I [TS]

  think that takes a lot of character [TS]

  it takes a lot of character to get to [TS]

  move beyond like oh you know you're the [TS]

  guy from those movies tell me a book [TS]

  summary story like what isn't he like [TS]

  isn't he like the nephew of francis ford [TS]

  coppola or something like that that's [TS]

  right i mean that must be exhausting can [TS]

  imagine the early days how exhausting [TS]

  that would have been all the interviews [TS]

  for I guess Rushmore was his first big [TS]

  movie [TS]

  well but you think about it he's also [TS]

  one of these people who should validate [TS]

  our our our theory about getting famous [TS]

  young I mean he was famous as a very [TS]

  young person writes some might even say [TS]

  born into a royal family should be like [TS]

  a quarry level of fucked up [TS]

  yeah he should be terrible but instead [TS]

  he's like happily married his wife is [TS]

  the sweet person also i mean i don't [TS]

  want to overstate the degree to which I [TS]

  know these people but jason schwartzman [TS]

  and I have met a handful of times at [TS]

  that time you said jason jason [TS]

  schwartzman I things that you're going [TS]

  to notice you're going to notice you [TS]

  can't help but notice when you meet [TS]

  somebody like that like when I met Pete [TS]

  Rose metros twice and both don't like [TS]

  extremely strong impression i love those [TS]

  strippers she's he's the one with the [TS]

  daughter they ain't got no arm was the [TS]

  remark [TS]

  I'm saying that story I don't know if [TS]

  I've heard that story when I was a kid [TS]

  our upstairs neighbors were with this [TS]

  like some are best friends and it was a [TS]

  kid exactly my age and his younger [TS]

  daughter and I think it might have been [TS]

  at the little mite situation i see she [TS]

  had a situation [TS]

  yep and she was just a perfectly [TS]

  adorable kid with like a really [TS]

  problematic arm and at one point I was [TS]

  at pietros restaurant as you do in [TS]

  Cincinnati and mr. roses dining there [TS]

  and moms that don't run over wait till [TS]

  he's done eating [TS]

  he's easy again now this is his big dog [TS]

  right he's gonna sit down restaurant you [TS]

  gotta expect not your kids to run up and [TS]

  what knowledge that ran over you know he [TS]

  was he's been famously not a super i [TS]

  don't think i wouldn't call me an [TS]

  intellectual ok alright i ran over like [TS]

  heroes [TS]

  yeah Charlie hustle and ask him to sign [TS]

  something signed has an awesome [TS]

  monograph sent by the way do you know [TS]

  diddly diddly Dee he said he's a scout [TS]

  for the Reds and so yeah I don't even [TS]

  want the daughter that ain't got no arm [TS]

  even as a kid you you had to kind of [TS]

  walk away turn slowly and walk away [TS]

  wondering with giant saucer eyes I slow [TS]

  couple of the napkin away and say thank [TS]

  you mr. and so one what what ain't got [TS]

  no arm simpler times simpler players you [TS]

  know and he would dive headfirst into a [TS]

  lot of situations lately what I i was in [TS]

  a restaurant i'm a steakhouse and [TS]

  michael jordan was there and you could [TS]

  feel the energy in the steakhouse even [TS]

  the stakes were excited but it was steak [TS]

  house and this was a this was a place [TS]

  where everybody else in the in the place [TS]

  was used to be in the big wheel the Big [TS]

  Cheese where they are you know like this [TS]

  expensive place these are these are guys [TS]

  these are barrel-chested guys with the [TS]

  like jewelry guys that wear jewelry [TS]

  let's just say all that they were all [TS]

  like the biggest frog in the pond they [TS]

  were the desire in the Nathan Arizona [TS]

  like largest seller of unpainted [TS]

  furniture [TS]

  that's right now and so it was a little [TS]

  bit like like Sean ono lennon on the [TS]

  Lower East Side michael jordan was there [TS]

  everybody was excited and it's okay to [TS]

  be excited about Michael Jordan no [TS]

  matter who you are and yet if you're if [TS]

  you're the only appear like the the the [TS]

  articulated hose king or not there's [TS]

  uncontested if you're not gonna run over [TS]

  you know and like I put your napkin down [TS]

  when it was really cool with my [TS]

  articulated oats and and and Jordan is [TS]

  wearing one of those uh one of those [TS]

  suits that has too many buttons you know [TS]

  what I mean like a neighborhood collar [TS]

  jacket with like 14 bucks just [TS]

  exaggerate its enormous height up he's [TS]

  beautiful man and he is a he's just like [TS]

  his poetry in motion and I'm in there [TS]

  frankly to have a steak I i I'm you know [TS]

  I'm gonna like sure i'm a fan of a [TS]

  Michael Jordan in the in the general [TS]

  sense as an institution [TS]

  yeah I don't want anything from him but [TS]

  it happens that we are i'm leaving the [TS]

  steak restaurant at the same time that [TS]

  michael jordan is and we are in the and [TS]

  we walk out the door and we're in the [TS]

  alcove we're basically in the elevator [TS]

  together for a minute and he doesn't you [TS]

  know it's a I'm just trying to get out [TS]

  the door to he's just trying to get out [TS]

  the door we don't have a we don't have [TS]

  any kind of exchange but we walk out the [TS]

  door together onto the sidewalk [TS]

  it's 1130 at night and there's an [TS]

  eight-year-old kid standing there with [TS]

  holding a basketball up as far as i can [TS]

  tell unchaperoned stand this [TS]

  that's really hard to explain and I was [TS]

  like I stopped and watched him you know [TS]

  graciously a although what are you gonna [TS]

  do in that situation my hand hurts you [TS]

  know something his kids basketball and I [TS]

  and I just can't stop looking around [TS]

  like where did this kid come from [TS]

  I'm in the middle of the city eleven [TS]

  o'clock at night how do where do you get [TS]

  a basketball [TS]

  and know that Michael Jordan's walking [TS]

  out of a steakhouse know that michael [TS]

  jordan is in this place doesn't add up [TS]

  and who got who brought him here who's [TS]

  waiting around the corner like it and [TS]

  and Jordan signs the ball his entourage [TS]

  all you know hardy hardy har they all [TS]

  walked down the street and I'm just [TS]

  standing there looking at this kid and [TS]

  you know the kid kind of trails along [TS]

  behind them just trying to be in [TS]

  Jordan's orbit and you know i kinda I [TS]

  had places to be I went the other [TS]

  direction [TS]

  I never I never did determine out where [TS]

  you know like how this kid fell from the [TS]

  sky holding a basketball in downtown [TS]

  seattle in the middle of the night [TS]

  thats dark at starpower I'm gonna go [TS]

  with somebody who works in the kitchen [TS]

  called their sister who was watching him [TS]

  and said haul butt over here and bring a [TS]

  basketball and then stay in the car till [TS]

  eleven-thirty right as daughter is here [TS]

  he's ready to sign stuff i adjure I bet [TS]

  it was his sister sister-in-law and she [TS]

  was waiting in the car cause she didn't [TS]

  care and the kid get jumps out that's it [TS]

  you know that's that isn't an answer to [TS]

  that problem that would never occur to [TS]

  me it's nice it's nice to see and you [TS]

  know and dad doesn't catch off second [TS]

  article so I'm son how this happened [TS]

  i've been playing the beatles for my [TS]

  daughter you know forever hoping you [TS]

  know that it'll catch on to take ya i [TS]

  dont want to i'm not a pill about that [TS]

  many things like there's a certain [TS]

  common she doesn't like don't really [TS]

  we're gonna make a big deal about that [TS]

  but like actually I've been reading The [TS]

  Watchmen to my daughter hoping that [TS]

  that's terrific if she really connecting [TS]

  with silk spectre to really I feel like [TS]

  I feel like a Rorschach is her skirts [TS]

  and roll brush it's great he's the best [TS]

  on anyway so you're playing the beatles [TS]

  for your daughter you know doing that [TS]

  forever and like in fact there's certain [TS]

  kind of certain records that would like [TS]

  going to rotation for certain events [TS]

  like you know for what we graduated from [TS]

  toy story 2 always listening to that [TS]

  Queen like best queen album went to pick [TS]

  her up from school to where she get like [TS]

  saying you know somebody to love which [TS]

  practically made me cry was so great but [TS]

  then we got into aside one of [TS]

  the white album we listened to a lot so [TS]

  she's she knows the beatles a little bit [TS]

  i was looking at a hard day's night was [TS]

  after bath time was not official TV time [TS]

  I wish I shouldn't have the TV on it was [TS]

  a you know an attractive nuisance and [TS]

  she came out and she started watching a [TS]

  hard day's night and she thought it was [TS]

  a riot understand this is a kid his [TS]

  favorite movie right now is duck soup so [TS]

  she she loves she thought was hilarious [TS]

  and and so you can tell she's really [TS]

  into it because when there's a line [TS]

  whether she understands the line or not [TS]

  she'll turn to me with a giant grin and [TS]

  repeat the line to me he says the craft [TS]

  was very clean is a very clean and and [TS]

  but she loved it and so I I and this was [TS]

  concomitant with me going back and [TS]

  rewatching the anthology videos I've [TS]

  been watching hours and hours and hours [TS]

  of the nineties anthology videos which [TS]

  are you a hundred percent Beatles [TS]

  approved and everything [TS]

  yeah but still just going back and [TS]

  watching [TS]

  mmm somewhere between the second and [TS]

  fourth episodes when Beatlemania really [TS]

  kicks in the oven but last night we were [TS]

  watching these together and i was [TS]

  showing her the circa 6450 boy 64 [TS]

  arriving in America and I was like sure [TS]

  like showing them at Shea Stadium when [TS]

  they couldn't they didn't have been a [TS]

  monitors that George Martin points out [TS]

  that monitors wrinkle could hear was no [TS]

  because you're anything there folks [TS]

  would bounce back and like a second and [TS]

  a half [TS]

  can you imagine you're sitting there [TS]

  every night there's people running at [TS]

  you you have police literally protecting [TS]

  people from running at you and you have [TS]

  no idea what they want [TS]

  I mean I and i said to my daughter like [TS]

  what do you think of that she's like why [TS]

  they had to put up a fence that's crazy [TS]

  everybody's running around like I said [TS]

  you know to permit wife is like to me [TS]

  that would be really fun for about an [TS]

  hour and now you about all that i would [TS]

  need of that to be to wear like you [TS]

  can't even like going to a hotel hallway [TS]

  let alone the lobby let alone a [TS]

  steakhouse your life is just going to [TS]

  make me really [TS]

  rewatching I mean I know I know this but [TS]

  it really makes me really appreciate [TS]

  somebody who is a smartass and slightly [TS]

  depressed person like John like [TS]

  appreciating like what life must have [TS]

  turned into for those guys it's been [TS]

  obvious you know fifty-year-old point [TS]

  but it's bananas to see how crazy it [TS]

  really was and how their lives are [TS]

  completely turned upside down by it [TS]

  do you remember the first time you saw a [TS]

  hard day's night [TS]

  I feel I don't remember specifically i [TS]

  feel like i might have seen it in [TS]

  college we have much a laser discs at [TS]

  our media center and i think i might [TS]

  have watched it there but i think i saw [TS]

  it before in my twenties very I you know [TS]

  early on in the like go rent a VHS tape [TS]

  and a VHS rental place which would have [TS]

  been in high school like video rental [TS]

  stores didn't blow up until much later [TS]

  but there was one in Anchorage early on [TS]

  in high school for me and one day of [TS]

  eating roll and a hard day's night [TS]

  eating raoul my dinner with Andre was [TS]

  frequently available and yeah right and [TS]

  and uh no no there there was a store and [TS]

  we definitely went to it because i [TS]

  remember they my friend sent me to get a [TS]

  movie one time and I brought back [TS]

  um what's the one about the the morbid [TS]

  death-obsessed kid and his [TS]

  eight-year-old girl friend helped mod [TS]

  right I brought back Harold and Maude [TS]

  and all my friends were like excited to [TS]

  curl up on the couch together and drink [TS]

  a couple of Stroh's much robots push it [TS]

  to hell yea writer or that was even [TS]

  before robots blowing shit up but you [TS]

  know they wanted to watch of those [TS]

  leaves until of Caddyshack er yeah [TS]

  Porky's and I I brought back Harold and [TS]

  Maude and then and half the people fell [TS]

  asleep and the other half just stayed [TS]

  awake out of pure fury at me and I was [TS]

  like this movie is amazing and I was [TS]

  like I was banned forever but well at [TS]

  one of those little parties probably [TS]

  night their 10th grade we watched a hard [TS]

  day's night and I was already a Beatles [TS]

  fan but you know the the the excitement [TS]

  that is captured in that movie the charm [TS]

  of those guys and the and the fact as [TS]

  you're saying that that they were they [TS]

  were having a completely unprecedented [TS]

  experienced unprecedented in human [TS]

  history except maybe but maybe maybe [TS]

  Napoleon [TS]

  had a similar people like God what like [TS]

  Rudy Vallee and Frank Sinatra had had it [TS]

  but you know not unlike that [TS]

  international level that they were right [TS]

  and I mean those guys would like walk [TS]

  out the stage door of the paramount [TS]

  theatre on you know Broadway in 40 [TS]

  seconds and there would be a UH a mob of [TS]

  girls let's say even a thousand girls [TS]

  but every women i'm showing us and this [TS]

  is going to get them bees right when i [TS]

  got those the Queen gave them their [TS]

  words and their I i I'm sitting there [TS]

  and watching teenage girls literally [TS]

  climbing over the 20-foot gates at [TS]

  Buckingham Palace imagine if you did [TS]

  that today it's called you lately [TS]

  completely bananas not the bodies loser [TS]

  is thrown exactly but you know there may [TS]

  be a reason Merlin that we talk so much [TS]

  about the Beatles and Hitler on this [TS]

  program i'm listening because in that in [TS]

  our in our formative years the to the [TS]

  that they are the two modern figures the [TS]

  beatles being one of a piece right the [TS]

  two modern figures that have generated [TS]

  that amount of mass adulation like the [TS]

  Beatles those crowd scenes and and [TS]

  people freaking out about the Beatles [TS]

  and then the the you know the Nuremberg [TS]

  rallies and the torchlight rallies like [TS]

  they are of a family and they don't have [TS]

  there's there's no third equivalent [TS]

  right Stalin and Mao had cult of [TS]

  personality but they didn't have [TS]

  rapturous followers [TS]

  yeah when you see people like a in the [TS]

  early days and again this before the man [TS]

  you the total manufacture of these kinds [TS]

  of scenes you just see those women in [TS]

  durndle is like leaning out like with [TS]

  flowers looking like they were losing [TS]

  their mind like he was a rock star star [TS]

  so so but what's so amazing about a hard [TS]

  day's night is every subsequent movie [TS]

  like concert movie [TS]

  rock rock band movie about a young [TS]

  musician getting famous [TS]

  it is taking place in a post hard day's [TS]

  night world right [TS]

  every subsequent person to get massively [TS]

  famous knows that the beatles have done [TS]

  this already and every everywhere they [TS]

  go people are saying you're as big as [TS]

  the Beatles and everybody knows that [TS]

  that's a lie right like like to be [TS]

  compared to the beatles is the highest [TS]

  compliment you can pay to somebody who's [TS]

  people never replace the beatles in [TS]

  terms of those comparisons [TS]

  yeah nobody ever said they sold more [TS]

  records and listen Slim Whitman combined [TS]

  yeah nobody know there's no new [TS]

  equivalent and I wonder how long in [TS]

  human history there will be how long it [TS]

  will take before there is before that [TS]

  resets and there's no institutional [TS]

  memory of the beatles right and it and [TS]

  there's a new person who becomes the [TS]

  person is bigger than Jesus but but but [TS]

  what's incredible about that about a [TS]

  hard day's night for me is that all of [TS]

  that is going on and they they have a [TS]

  kind of smug confidence but they also [TS]

  are so so charming and self-effacing and [TS]

  small still you know what I mean like [TS]

  yeah like they are still teasing Ringo [TS]

  and Ringo could still could still [TS]

  honestly be kind of the lonely one or [TS]

  whatever you know like I don't know if [TS]

  there's something about it that that I [TS]

  think about every rock documentary I've [TS]

  seen since then and the and everybody is [TS]

  so knowing now and so self-aware and so [TS]

  the smugness over takes up all the you [TS]

  know that overshadows the charm that got [TS]

  them there right and it should have been [TS]

  anywhere near as successful as a piece [TS]

  of art as it is I'm because it's pretty [TS]

  it's really i think it's a very bold [TS]

  movie even to this day it's so fresh and [TS]

  the grandfather is so perfect it's just [TS]

  his expressions in that movie the [TS]

  goddamn funny i hate the ending of [TS]

  artist night wasn't it happened exactly [TS]

  nobody even knows it ends with the [TS]

  helicopter flying off and they and [TS]

  they're throwing out the fake signed [TS]

  photographs uh [TS]

  aspen all is throwing the weekend at the [TS]

  beach parties like you think about any [TS]

  of the rock-and-roll movies before that [TS]

  and they were closer what I would think [TS]

  of as a review the kind of things you [TS]

  see on broadway in the twenties and [TS]

  thirties a collection of songs you know [TS]

  being performed with only the loosest [TS]

  narrative involved right and in this I [TS]

  mean is so great that they're able to [TS]

  capitalize on the image of the beatles [TS]

  as being popular without it being stupid [TS]

  and without being smug for the most part [TS]

  and so fresh it didn't hurt also that [TS]

  the songs are pretty great [TS]

  yeah the songs are all right and they're [TS]

  all so cute but but it makes me it makes [TS]

  me think I was having a conversation [TS]

  with a good friend of ours the other day [TS]

  and I was I was kind of reducing my [TS]

  theory of performance Feynman [TS]

  performance to kind of binary code as we [TS]

  like to do two kinds of people in this [TS]

  world that ends well [TS]

  winners losers to come two kinds of [TS]

  people in this world here's the thing [TS]

  about staying living dying [TS]

  mhm um together trouble in this world [TS]

  star uh and and what I kind of realized [TS]

  was that most of most of the performers [TS]

  I know can be their motivation can be [TS]

  described either as being primarily in [TS]

  order to have people love them [TS]

  right like we all know a lot of [TS]

  performers who who want love like a [TS]

  validation based location but wait wait [TS]

  there that that that's the what I would [TS]

  describe that as the other ok so to be [TS]

  loved is a kind of pure experience in [TS]

  and of itself that doesn't it isn't it [TS]

  doesn't have a up a further motivation [TS]

  beyond just like the feeling of that [TS]

  wall of a door [TS]

  nation so somebody knows who you are and [TS]

  they like what you do and they like you [TS]

  and they're like yeah right they are [TS]

  projecting like on you and you are [TS]

  experiencing that like and that feeling [TS]

  is so positive that it you know becomes [TS]

  a kind of addiction you don't want to [TS]

  get off the stage you'll go up on any [TS]

  stage because it gives you an [TS]

  opportunity to have exposure to that [TS]

  like right and i would put Paul [TS]

  McCartney in that category [TS]

  Paul has an uncomplicated relationship [TS]

  with stardom he likes it he wants to be [TS]

  liked and she he knows he's likeable and [TS]

  then the other motivation is to be 100 [TS]

  other way I described it the other day [TS]

  was to be proved right to order to be [TS]

  validated right and if you think if you [TS]

  think about just sitting there blindly [TS]

  speculating which when you look well i [TS]

  think i'm absolutely somebody who wants [TS]

  to be vindicated and i think john lennon [TS]

  was also somebody who wanted to be [TS]

  vindicated he wanted to be proved right [TS]

  and all the adulation was in the in the [TS]

  service of a of a secondary goal he you [TS]

  know like sure he liked feeling the love [TS]

  but but more importantly he wanted to be [TS]

  proved right and you know sadly that was [TS]

  also Hitler's motivation he wanted to be [TS]

  he wanted to be proved right [TS]

  more than you want to call childhood no [TS]

  strong father figure loves to paint [TS]

  through and when you think about it [TS]

  online when you think about like like I [TS]

  think Ringo probably just wanted to be [TS]

  loved and I think George Harrison wanted [TS]

  to be vindicated [TS]

  and if you go and look at every sort of [TS]

  famous person and the way they carry [TS]

  themselves on the way they handle their [TS]

  fame you can see this pretty clear i [TS]

  should people shade one way or the other [TS]

  do they want to be loved first and you [TS]

  know or do they do they have something [TS]

  to prove do they want to be they want to [TS]

  be proved right [TS]

  and the sad thing is both things seem [TS]

  bottomless right you can always be loved [TS]

  more and you can never actually fully be [TS]

  proved right [TS]

  ya na that you there's no way to ever [TS]

  get enough of that I think Paul I'm sure [TS]

  was trying for everybody but Pauline [TS]

  says much that he was the one who was [TS]

  still having a pretty good time throw [TS]

  through a lot of that you know Ringo is [TS]

  it was frustrating Ringo because when [TS]

  he's playing live you couldn't hear it [TS]

  was doing he felt like he wasn't getting [TS]

  better as a musician but you know you're [TS]

  right there on the one hand you and in [TS]

  your model in the foot what he called [TS]

  the first one to be loved to be loved vs [TS]

  to be vindicated now to be loved is it [TS]

  almost it's not hard but it doesn't [TS]

  require a lot of sophistication from the [TS]

  person who's loving you like having one [TS]

  more person who loves you versus the [TS]

  number that you had yesterday is a win [TS]

  but with indication there's always [TS]

  somebody you wish had to admit they were [TS]

  wrong and apologize for what happened [TS]

  before so you know it's it did that [TS]

  again there's no there's no limit to [TS]

  that as well but think about like with [TS]

  with John I mean there's that period in [TS]

  like nineteen sixty and pretty as much [TS]

  as good as their records were they had a [TS]

  rough patch for a couple years for a lot [TS]

  of reasons i might accident realize how [TS]

  big the jesus from marc was like what a [TS]

  big deal that was and how taken out of [TS]

  context it wasn't now it's all this but [TS]

  that but that was a rough patch for them [TS]

  and jon was unhappy card is fat Elvis [TS]

  phase where he was depressed and felt [TS]

  like he was a fact I nobody love him but [TS]

  but you know even at the point where now [TS]

  you got all the love that you could want [TS]

  and then you just got to keep doing what [TS]

  you're doing to keep being loved [TS]

  but with the vindication like what if [TS]

  there's a certain cutoff point where it [TS]

  just turns to a certain kind of [TS]

  bitterness because the amount of [TS]

  indication that can make it worthwhile [TS]

  especially if you're basically cynical [TS]

  person like I think he was you could see [TS]

  that in his [TS]

  relationship to Dylan right because [TS]

  Dylan like who could the beatles [TS]

  possibly NVDA and be Dylan because Dylan [TS]

  was vindicated more than loved [TS]

  and there's that there and so as a [TS]

  result of this like some artists wanna [TS]

  be loved someone to be vindicated [TS]

  there's also two kinds of fame and Dylan [TS]

  had had the best cotton in my estimation [TS]

  and I think in a lot of our estimations [TS]

  the better kind of Fame which was the [TS]

  fit the vindication fame right all the [TS]

  critics loved him he set a new bar he [TS]

  was the voice of a generation he was [TS]

  meaning full and after a certain time [TS]

  you no longer have to have an argument [TS]

  about whether Bob Dylan was one of the [TS]

  most important artists of the time [TS]

  that's the indication is when you can [TS]

  say well I don't like the Beatles but [TS]

  i'm not going to dispute their sales [TS]

  numbers and the critically acclaimed we [TS]

  that's dedication right at a certain [TS]

  point is that you [TS]

  nobody there really dispute what you've [TS]

  what you've managed to accomplish [TS]

  yeah and so lemon lemon perceived [TS]

  himself to be sort of in second place to [TS]

  Dylan as the voice of the truth right [TS]

  the hard-edged voice of the truth he [TS]

  didn't see himself as I think probably [TS]

  within the beatles he was he was more [TS]

  and more resentful of Paul's effortless [TS]

  songwriting but but the way that that [TS]

  resentment took shape was that he [TS]

  thought Paul was a was an intellectual [TS]

  lightweight and he was comparing Paul [TS]

  not to himself but to Dylan in terms of [TS]

  like who [TS]

  what what you know like remember what [TS]

  days when they saw when they saw him and [TS]

  when they saw Dylan royal albert hall [TS]

  and you could hear a pin drop [TS]

  and they were like thinking of their own [TS]

  careers where they couldn't even hear [TS]

  themselves play and the idea that an [TS]

  audience would go and sit in reverently [TS]

  like that was such a was such a contrast [TS]

  and and to somebody who wants [TS]

  vindication [TS]

  who wants to be proved right [TS]

  that must have been the hardest thing [TS]

  for Lennon to to watch you know and and [TS]

  strangely like I mean Dylan Dylan won [TS]

  the the vindication lottery and what did [TS]

  it do to that man you know it turned him [TS]

  into really a troll that lives under a [TS]

  bridge [TS]

  yes it's a like like people I guess [TS]

  kinda like lou reed or like it sometimes [TS]

  John land became this contest of like [TS]

  you think you you think you can love [TS]

  that impossible thing well let me make [TS]

  this next impossible thing it will be [TS]

  impossible for you to love self-portrait [TS]

  here you're welcome up [TS]

  yeah mm I I feel like I wish there was a [TS]

  third way i'm tired of wanting to be [TS]

  vindicated [TS]

  yeah is are you really well somebody [TS]

  asked me the day like who are the people [TS]

  that you want to [TS]

  who are the people you want to be proved [TS]

  right to and I you know I was thinking [TS]

  about where i work with the generation [TS]

  of it was that the Genesis and it was [TS]

  all it's all back in school and the [TS]

  coursework that you know the teachers [TS]

  and the guidance counselor's that means [TS]

  on the whiteout on your jean jacket yet [TS]

  nobody got me and they punished me and [TS]

  I'm like you know a lot of those people [TS]

  are dead now [TS]

  uh who am i I'm just I'm just trying to [TS]

  prove i'm trying to be proved right to [TS]

  some proxy of them some some big doctors [TS]

  an avatar of a bully [TS]

  yeah the teachers the school's the [TS]

  government and the people ultimately you [TS]

  know the conventional wisdom and what [TS]

  yeah I can i it's an unreachable goal [TS]

  i'll never be I will if that is my [TS]

  standard of achievement [TS]

  that that I I cannot rest or feel like [TS]

  I've done a good job in life unless i [TS]

  have rewritten history and they model [TS]

  the schools on me [TS]

  the to the chances and and then when if [TS]

  that does happen when you don't get it [TS]

  you might say the portraits unflattering [TS]

  yeah i'll just be like no getting [TS]

  worried i suppose but there's so much [TS]

  more I could have done you know like [TS]

  that I I don't feel like that is a [TS]

  winning strategy for a short-term or [TS]

  long-term happiness to want to show them [TS]

  as it's a big the vindication hole is is [TS]

  a big thing to fill in just the love [TS]

  hole but you know I got a theory on this [TS]

  i'm not a successful person but like if [TS]

  I were I think what I would want in life [TS]

  is this this is not what it sounds like [TS]

  I'm not saying do what you love i'm not [TS]

  saying quit your job nothing any of that [TS]

  shit [TS]

  what I'm saying is like to me a certain [TS]

  measure of success has to involve two [TS]

  things that your life becomes 3 your [TS]

  life becomes last rather than more [TS]

  complex and you like the way you spend [TS]

  your day so to me like in that doesn't [TS]

  mean you don't do things you don't like [TS]

  it means if you're a filmmaker and you [TS]

  think you have to love your job will get [TS]

  ready [TS]

  you got to deal with this key grip over [TS]

  here and then this is what we got for [TS]

  daylight left and this is what the [TS]

  budget is for mustaches or whatever it [TS]

  is but i would say you know the not just [TS]

  once more people talk about do you like [TS]

  what you do [TS]

  well i think you know one marker is do [TS]

  you like how you spend your day and if [TS]

  you like spending your day making this [TS]

  kind of music and then promoting it and [TS]

  getting on Twitter or whatever or going [TS]

  out and performing that music or dealing [TS]

  with revisions to the liner notes and [TS]

  all that kind of stuff to me that's a [TS]

  certain kind of success that's much more [TS]

  in returning then like how other people [TS]

  reacted to it and if you can get the [TS]

  vindication and the love out of doing [TS]

  something like Jerry Lewis the [TS]

  vindication love of what is that you're [TS]

  making that's a good thing but like [TS]

  there are a lot of people out there who [TS]

  who are getting constantly more hugely [TS]

  Reeve indicated all the time but this I [TS]

  think they still kind of hate the way [TS]

  they spend their day and they become [TS]

  better people [TS]

  I would like if there was just a tube [TS]

  inserted into my stomach [TS]

  that allowed me to sit and eat a [TS]

  continuous stream of single peanut [TS]

  Eminem's and yet they would just then go [TS]

  out I could I could eat them and crunch [TS]

  them [TS]

  yeah and taste them and feel them go [TS]

  down right but then they would just keep [TS]

  going out you need to guess like a [TS]

  selective like ostomy back you need [TS]

  something that can look for bioavailable [TS]

  single item in pieces and know what to [TS]

  sort out leave the water you know [TS]

  Lucille and I guess the question that i [TS]

  have is what use in a kind of super [TS]

  train context if I was producing a very [TS]

  small stream of masticated not chocolate [TS]

  candy tastes like predigested but post [TS]

  salivated post Jude like what is that [TS]

  paste worth right depending on what you [TS]

  see find for it's obviously probably be [TS]

  a great lubricant right you got it baby [TS]

  was a good spackle or like a bit cold [TS]

  weather climates sure enough that be [TS]

  brittle don't know what the [TS]

  superformance qualities are but you [TS]

  could also turn into something that you [TS]

  give to children who don't know where [TS]

  it's been [TS]

  my kids are pretty cool about a lot of [TS]

  different kinds of foods as long as they [TS]

  don't know much about it [TS]

  let's see let's say so it becomes a kind [TS]

  of almond paste or like peanut butter [TS]

  almost like it's almost nutella wait a [TS]

  minute who is that what Nutella is a boy [TS]

  sure looks like it has anybody ever seen [TS]

  nutella being made now you can play any [TS]

  kind of not on HR legally it doesn't [TS]

  have anything to do with what's actually [TS]

  in it I i think if you smash the [TS]

  hazelnut it would not look like nutella [TS]

  if you took hazel let you ate peanut [TS]

  Eminem's and hazelnuts who and then and [TS]

  chewed them and swallowed them and then [TS]

  sucked them out through a tube how [TS]

  different from nutella would that be [TS]

  I think mostly understand the science [TS]

  mostly indistinguishable you you would [TS]

  be a bespoke confectionery treat [TS]

  extruding it treat extruding unity just [TS]

  chop it a little bit like 200 [TS]

  Senate what's in a fucking tootsie roll [TS]

  chocolate now is a caramel they're not [TS]

  really something what the fuck is that [TS]

  I didn't think about that either I you [TS]

  know i'm i'm i'm just i'm guessing that [TS]

  somewhere down the food chain like up at [TS]

  the top there's me who likes to eat [TS]

  peanut Eminem's somewhere somewhere down [TS]

  the food chain for me is something is [TS]

  not picky someone who likes to eat a [TS]

  kind of spreadable saw that Eminem [TS]

  flavored material and then they could [TS]

  have a similar tube and somewhere down [TS]

  the line from there's somebody who wants [TS]

  a real smooth creamy you know condensed [TS]

  yes baby isn't missing for the older [TS]

  folks who can't you very well but still [TS]

  like a little bit of effect not taste in [TS]

  in there sluiced desert so nutella is an [TS]

  italian food isn't Italian Italian I've [TS]

  never understood the nutella cult [TS]

  I've never knew I know it's a thing and [TS]

  people to come to tell if you really [TS]

  tried have you ever tried or whatever [TS]

  now I haven't ever had it on [TS]

  have you had no communion now I just [TS]

  done not at all interested in Utila and [TS]

  here's why I'm not interested in nutella [TS]

  for very much the same reason you talk [TS]

  about fucking validation you're going [TS]

  you're going you're mom's refrigerator [TS]

  back in the day and if you see something [TS]

  say something something chocolate but [TS]

  it's a baker's chocolate our hall behind [TS]

  you go oh my fucking god how i lived in [TS]

  this house for seven years and never [TS]

  notice there's fucking chocolate in the [TS]

  refrigerator and we'll sit down and it's [TS]

  literally the most disgusting and bitter [TS]

  thing you've ever had in your life and [TS]

  it's a total abortion and you can't [TS]

  believe they were legally allowed to put [TS]

  chocolate even on the label right that's [TS]

  kinda how I feel about nutella nutella [TS]

  got the performance qualities of peanut [TS]

  butter but it's made out of something [TS]

  it's not chocolate nutella day bude in [TS]

  1964 it is a modern abomination it's [TS]

  appeals age [TS]

  yeah spreadable treat ya April 64 when [TS]

  did when did the a wounded let me do hit [TS]

  right about that same time at three two [TS]

  or three months earlier from the Beatles [TS]

  came to the US [TS]

  yeah the beatles as not a coincidence i [TS]

  don't think it's a coincidence also [TS]

  Italy Hitler work with the [TS]

  Italians in the axis soon i'm saying [TS]

  italy the post-war Italy assets like 750 [TS]

  government's I had a girlfriend in [TS]

  college back in the days when you can [TS]

  get you tell us so easy back in the [TS]

  eighties I guess it wasn't as widespread [TS]

  and she would squeeze when her parents [TS]

  sent her a care package that had to tell [TS]

  in it was like the happiest day of her [TS]

  life [TS]

  I got a care package today from a Polish [TS]

  girl living in Germany that has like 14 [TS]

  different kinds of lindt chocolate balls [TS]

  it like it's that linked 14 different [TS]

  kinds of lived Lynn Lind that's a [TS]

  delicious John yeah and there was also a [TS]

  lunchbox in it full of cookies and the [TS]

  lunchbox like at in preston lunch box [TS]

  that commemorates d-day [TS]

  oh wow yeah yeah my my my polish doctor [TS]

  friend living in Berlin let me add that [TS]

  the actual German worry to simply lunch [TS]

  body a lunchbox pulmonologist dr. Freda [TS]

  polska polska oz idol doctor for joining [TS]

  a girl friend friend friend is just [TS]

  friend who may be friends girlfriend I [TS]

  sit I really so to say for the shakes [TS]

  yeah she's a doctor professor and and [TS]

  may I have this beautiful box of yours [TS]

  John that's a lot of separate pieces to [TS]

  put together to make one care package [TS]

  that's a very sweet gesture it did and [TS]

  you know the the thing that I have a [TS]

  problem that i often have is that I wish [TS]

  that I utilize the male's more to send [TS]

  beautiful things to people i have i have [TS]

  things lying around that i could send to [TS]

  people who would appreciate them i have [TS]

  scale for an operation like that that's [TS]

  the thing and I don't I don't I don't [TS]

  want to use the male's a partly because [TS]

  for instance i still have not solved my [TS]

  tooth problem [TS]

  which is now seven years in the often [TS]

  they still temp technically temporary [TS]

  and still have a temporary tooth that's [TS]

  just that's just glued in there with [TS]

  like safety pins like you never got your [TS]

  plastic library card still using a [TS]

  little flimsy guy next to you just break [TS]

  sometimes [TS]

  oh yeah any day it could break you could [TS]

  break right now a pigeon fly in the [TS]

  window hit me in the face brush my teeth [TS]

  and and so there are all these like [TS]

  things i want to do in life i want to [TS]

  change the schools i want to ride on a [TS]

  tank into Paris I want to get my tooth [TS]

  fixed and I want to use the male's to [TS]

  send nice things to people don't have a [TS]

  whiteboard you're reading off and I [TS]

  cannot [TS]

  cannot [TS]

  I cannot manage even the smallest detail [TS]

  and now i have gone i had i had an [TS]

  assistant then she passed the baton to a [TS]

  second assistant now the second [TS]

  assistant is very clearly a that needing [TS]

  to pass the baton to a further assistant [TS]

  a third assistant it has only been six [TS]

  months since I even began this assistant [TS]

  business and I've already had three of [TS]

  them [TS]

  that's a little much and I told think [TS]

  it's my fault [TS]

  oh I don't I don't I have a pretty good [TS]

  sense of what it's my fault [TS]

  have you made them agree with that I you [TS]

  know I that everybody has their own [TS]

  narrative I can't impose my narrative on [TS]

  other people but I think Sheree job I've [TS]

  been watching haha i'm watching very [TS]

  closely and i've been i've been checking [TS]

  my privilege on an hourly basis and i am [TS]

  pretty confident that i have not been [TS]

  the reason but then again who knows they [TS]

  might not say except on a message board [TS]

  somewhere [TS]

  yeah the second assistant the reason [TS]

  that I need now a third assistant is [TS]

  that I got the second assistant or you [TS]

  know did get but like made a nice [TS]

  recommendation to someone who gave the [TS]

  second assistant a proper job which now [TS]

  is occupying like 80 hours a week is [TS]

  John this and they keep propagating new [TS]

  assistants sounds like sounds like fruit [TS]

  flies [TS]

  that's the thing i think that insisted i [TS]

  think it's a thing where you have to go [TS]

  through three or four people who are [TS]

  like I want to be your assistant before [TS]

  you find the person who says I am New [TS]

  York systems you know what I mean [TS]

  uh-huh you feel me I do I told you a [TS]

  long time ago I knew a guy that's in [TS]

  this is a great strategy but i knew a [TS]

  guy who hired several people agreeing [TS]

  that he would basically pay them for a [TS]

  certain amount a month or whatever and [TS]

  they just wind him down like that and [TS]

  style it got down to the last one and [TS]

  said everybody else in learning time and [TS]

  say okay you're out of this elimination [TS]

  have three left to left [TS]

  with a pool cue when it means right I [TS]

  was thinking I would just break a pool [TS]

  cue and throw it on the floor and say I [TS]

  can only hire one of you is the city its [TS]

  I don't have my now I don't have my bell [TS]

  I got you covered welcome back Lou [TS]