Roderick on the Line

Ep. 119: "A Cocaine Economy"


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  hello John [TS]

  hi Merlin and how's it going [TS]

  mm-hmm [TS]

  ma'am hope heaven isn't run by beef [TS]

  jerky heaven is a place on earth [TS]

  mmm having a lot like Dixie mm happen [TS]

  heavens to mergatroid a place for [TS]

  nothing nothing ever happens [TS]

  oh that's right hmm heaven have a heaven [TS]

  heaven 17 and house in pavement was back [TS]

  summer babe having a few bucks a pop you [TS]

  are going to grow my god is so much [TS]

  sodium in my system I had some artichoke [TS]

  hearts soup the other day that was like [TS]

  a it was like a sodium solution that was [TS]

  that just had like a artichoke infusion [TS]

  it was like wet salt with artichokes [TS]

  I think that's not as good as it sounds [TS]

  it was pretty good but you know [TS]

  typically at the artichoke is the [TS]

  artichoke is a much-maligned a vegetable [TS]

  is that right well much maligned by my [TS]

  imagination because I hardly ever order [TS]

  an artichoke thing and partly it is [TS]

  because so much of the artichoke is [TS]

  inedible and i don't i don't understand [TS]

  how nature could have produced a grenade [TS]

  shaped fruit that is full of corn chips [TS]

  that you can't eat but that are covered [TS]

  with guacamole right like like better [TS]

  quality moly that's what it is it's like [TS]

  it's like a corn chip grenade if the [TS]

  corn chips were made out of leaves [TS]

  pointy leaves pointy leaves and they [TS]

  don't eat so much as scrape right at [TS]

  preloaded with a kind of love of like [TS]

  veiny guacamole [TS]

  ya hear get out of my dreams so so I [TS]

  don't but but then when I have an [TS]

  artichoke thing I enjoy it i think it's [TS]

  at the low end [TS]

  of the butter conveyance spectrum oh I [TS]

  see it's it's a butter device right you [TS]

  can do things with it you can make you [TS]

  can make dips and things like that but [TS]

  uh but now there's a lot of a lot of [TS]

  scraping and then you gotta scream she [TS]

  leaves you gotta throw away [TS]

  scraping and then a bunch of yeah right [TS]

  you got a pile of detritus that many [TS]

  years ago I was sitting in a bar and it [TS]

  was one of those bar conversations where [TS]

  you're you're sitting there and you use [TS]

  couple of guys and you get to get going [TS]

  with them and pretty soon you're having [TS]

  like a real intense meeting of the minds [TS]

  and unlike most of those intense meeting [TS]

  of the minds conversations that the guy [TS]

  the guy was talking to look like a young [TS]

  lindsey buckingham like Lindsey [TS]

  Buckingham when he was beautiful and had [TS]

  a little beard and was talking to this [TS]

  guy and it was you know early nineties [TS]

  right so he's wearing some kind of hemp [TS]

  necklace and and at the end of the [TS]

  conversation is like you are perfect for [TS]

  this big project we've got going on [TS]

  come with me and like it when we were [TS]

  drinking at the bar in the middle of the [TS]

  day or something and I was like okay so [TS]

  we go out and we start we go for a walk [TS]

  and a half drunk in the day and he's [TS]

  like I'm opening a club and it's gonna [TS]

  be like a it's going to be a art gallery [TS]

  speakeasy cafe jazz club rape space and [TS]

  I was like tell me more [TS]

  he said I feel like you are like a kind [TS]

  of a visionary guy I feel like your [TS]

  ideal to like partner up with us on this [TS]

  club and I'm like I agree it's about [TS]

  time somebody recognized that I was a [TS]

  visionary in the art space rave cafe [TS]

  I mean just means everybody in the [TS]

  unlikelihood of meeting someone in a bar [TS]

  drinking in the middle of the day who [TS]

  has that kind of vision to pull together [TS]

  all the / things into one coherent [TS]

  money-making machine right and then [TS]

  would recognize that I was an important [TS]

  component in the organization it's [TS]

  kismet [TS]

  so anyway but this guy is very handsome [TS]

  guy very charismatic [TS]

  and it turns out he is a shoe salesman [TS]

  at the Bon marché the Bon marché being [TS]

  one of the big department stores [TS]

  downtown but it used to be there was the [TS]

  Bon marché Frederica Nelson's and [TS]

  nordstrom all three of those were [TS]

  department stores all clustered downtown [TS]

  and the bond was kind of it wasn't all [TS]

  the way up to frederick Nelson standards [TS]

  but it was a pretty nice department [TS]

  store [TS]

  let's be honest so this guy was a shoe [TS]

  salesman at the Bon marché in women [TS]

  shoes and he and two other of the shoe [TS]

  salesmen were gonna partner in [TS]

  developing this club and they have [TS]

  slight amount of stickiness right and [TS]

  they had a ton of cash because they had [TS]

  jobs and just something i didn't have [TS]

  and so anyway he and i become fast [TS]

  friends were like inseparable [TS]

  he's got pretty nice apartment and he [TS]

  just wants to talk big pie in the sky [TS]

  ideas about how this club is going to [TS]

  change the culture of Seattle it's going [TS]

  to be you know it's gonna like it's in a [TS]

  way it's going to improve race relations [TS]

  because this group of people are all [TS]

  multi multiracial multicultural people [TS]

  we're going to appeal to everybody in [TS]

  the city it's going to be you know [TS]

  there's going to be a hip-hop component [TS]

  there's going to be like it [TS]

  cool jazz component all the things that [TS]

  you could want and eventually my role [TS]

  evolved to be head of security which was [TS]

  an interesting evolution for i was still [TS]

  visionary but also head of security want [TS]

  to start up you gotta wear a lot of hats [TS]

  that's right that's right and we were we [TS]

  we went all the way we we found a space [TS]

  in the old trailways bus station in [TS]

  seattle which was abandoned and we found [TS]

  the owner we rented the space and we [TS]

  stayed open for a couple of months [TS]

  and it was basically a 24-hour business [TS]

  that in the morning that would be a cafe [TS]

  with costco muffins and set an espresso [TS]

  machine and we're serving espresso to [TS]

  like people on their way to work and [TS]

  then during the day it morphed into kind [TS]

  of an art gallery espresso space and [TS]

  then in the evenings there was jazz [TS]

  wow that was a lot of kids from the [TS]

  Cornish music school would come down and [TS]

  like play plate improv sort of bebop ee [TS]

  jazz in the in the evenings and then [TS]

  that would turn into hip-hop jazzy [TS]

  hip-hop which was a thing in the early [TS]

  nineties in seattle in the night and it [TS]

  would turn into kind of a jazzy hip-hop [TS]

  club where the girls were wearing [TS]

  turbans and everybody was like whoo [TS]

  it was like a bit was very shaday let's [TS]

  say and then at 2am we would close the [TS]

  doors closed all the front doors but [TS]

  then open the unmarked back door and [TS]

  then it was a power rave from 2am until [TS]

  like eight in the morning and we [TS]

  seriously kept this going for a couple [TS]

  of months I sounds exhausting [TS]

  well and the thing is it was completely [TS]

  powered by cocaine was taped it feels [TS]

  the cocaine project it was very cocaina [TS]

  these guys it turned out that the shoe [TS]

  salesman guys had a lot of money not [TS]

  just because they had jobs and were [TS]

  selling shoes but it was the total [TS]

  cocaine ring and I had I'd i had not [TS]

  really spent a lot of time like just [TS]

  immersed in cocaine times but you'd be [TS]

  surprised how much work you can get done [TS]

  you can do a lot of a like espresso [TS]

  making in the morning and art showing in [TS]

  the day and I you know I would take cat [TS]

  naps on the old bus station benches that [TS]

  were kind of still there in the space [TS]

  and we really thought we were [TS]

  revolutionising the the country and in a [TS]

  way we were on our way because there [TS]

  weren't a lot of people buying art let's [TS]

  say but they were [TS]

  they've turned into a complete like blow [TS]

  out by two-and-a-half weeks in there [TS]

  were 400 people there and that is what [TS]

  attracted the cops [TS]

  yeah how official was your business not [TS]

  at all yeah you paid rent and you had [TS]

  doors we gave some rent to a guy I guess [TS]

  somebody's told me that that that that [TS]

  they had rent and I was the head of [TS]

  security which meant that I stood at the [TS]

  door and took the money from people and [TS]

  I charged people an arbitrary amount of [TS]

  money each person kind of got charged a [TS]

  different amount of money and I kind of [TS]

  kept most of it because the other guys [TS]

  didn't seem to be in it for the money [TS]

  and I didn't I was the only one that [TS]

  didn't have a job so I was suddenly [TS]

  doing pretty good [TS]

  yeah um they were more interested in I [TS]

  don't know what their plan was honestly [TS]

  they were socially or cocaine person [TS]

  don't you kind of want to meet more [TS]

  cocaine people write it was a very [TS]

  gifted part of it it was a cocaine [TS]

  driven economy and I think they were [TS]

  bringing a lot of people into the venue [TS]

  who were buying cocaine from and so it [TS]

  was self-sustaining and it would have [TS]

  been I think it probably would have like [TS]

  a like a aggressive virus would have [TS]

  taken over the world in the whole world [TS]

  right now would be a jazz hip-hop art [TS]

  gallery a rave cocaine party if not for [TS]

  the police who drove by one night and [TS]

  saw 250 kids outside of field trailways [TS]

  bus station and it pique their curiosity [TS]

  and red flag and he said huh [TS]

  let's go let's go around the block and [TS]

  go back and take a look at that and when [TS]

  they came in and saw that it would that [TS]

  that was just the overflow of people [TS]

  that were inside up a total firetrap [TS]

  with no you know and I was again the guy [TS]

  sitting at the door pockets full of cash [TS]

  hopped up on goofballs and what I saw [TS]

  the cops [TS]

  I got off my stool and walked away and I [TS]

  my name was not connected to anything [TS]

  and i just left and I think everybody [TS]

  got busted but nobody really had their [TS]

  name on anything except for the guy who [TS]

  looked like lindsey buckingham nicks [TS]

  traced back to his costco account [TS]

  yeah the next time I saw him he was [TS]

  riding like a like a small-bore kawasaki [TS]

  motorcycle like a kawasaki 350 or [TS]

  something like a it was a kawasaki that [TS]

  was an imitation of a triumph like a [TS]

  like a one cylinder kawasaki and I was [TS]

  walking down the street and he rode up [TS]

  on this bike it was like a man get on [TS]

  and i would have been a couple of months [TS]

  since I've seen my jumped on the back of [TS]

  his bike and he rode me to the ferry [TS]

  dock and I was like where we go and he [TS]

  was like don't worry about it we got on [TS]

  the ferry and then I'm like seriously [TS]

  where we going we're on the ferry now [TS]

  he's like I'm living in port townsend [TS]

  now I want you to see my place I'm [TS]

  thinking about real reopening the [TS]

  gallery and port townsend and I Anna I [TS]

  know and I need you there you were the [TS]

  heart and soul of the place and I was [TS]

  like oh boy [TS]

  Port Townsend is a long way and we rode [TS]

  up there on this into the two of us on [TS]

  this tiny little motorcycle he showed me [TS]

  the space that he had in mind and I was [TS]

  like I don't know man i'm kind of [TS]

  invested in living in in seattle and not [TS]

  living up here in this weird hippie town [TS]

  and he was disappointed i spent the [TS]

  night at the house that he lived in with [TS]

  some girl I mean it's only been a couple [TS]

  of months he was he was a a magical [TS]

  person who was somewhat powered by drugs [TS]

  but also powered by charisma and just [TS]

  hopping through life in this like at two [TS]

  months later he's got a house in a [TS]

  different town and it wasn't even a man [TS]

  that you hate interstate you know your [TS]

  security you do what you gotta do you [TS]

  walk away sometimes oh yeah he was like [TS]

  you know you were there you were the [TS]

  smart one you got out of there before [TS]

  the before the hammer came down was a [TS]

  can of course I mean we both understood [TS]

  what was I going to stand there and say [TS]

  IDs please put away i had you know six [TS]

  hundred dollars in my code I was [TS]

  see you later but in the early planning [TS]

  stages of the cafe we went to a pizza [TS]

  restaurant and he was like a lot lately [TS]

  you know let's get a pizza will you know [TS]

  we'll have a lunch meeting talk about [TS]

  the big talk about the big plan and he [TS]

  ordered an artichoke pizza and I had met [TS]

  at that point in my life had never eaten [TS]

  an artichoke and I looked at him like [TS]

  he'd are ordered a rat pizza I was like [TS]

  what are you doing to me like i loved [TS]

  this idea of a lunch meeting where we [TS]

  were having a pizza but you just ruined [TS]

  it by putting some terrible shit on it [TS]

  he was like no no trust me you're gonna [TS]

  love it [TS]

  artichoke pizza and it came and he was [TS]

  right [TS]

  I loved it and that was one of the that [TS]

  artichoke pizza was one of a handful of [TS]

  events in my life where I realized that [TS]

  I was wrong about something and that my [TS]

  life was gonna be different from now on [TS]

  Wow artichoke pizza and they ordered [TS]

  different stuff every time you get [TS]

  summer now I get a different thing on [TS]

  every time I go into a restaurant i get [TS]

  i get a different thing even if i go to [TS]

  the same restaurant over and over and [TS]

  over i never would do the same thing was [TS]

  it was the club cult [TS]

  oh my god it was called 0000 the offbeat [TS]

  cafe it was called the offbeat cafe [TS]

  that's pretty good and yeah and like it [TS]

  and that name was the result of some [TS]

  think tanking uh you know high-level [TS]

  discussions got a lot of levels offbeat [TS]

  that's right it's like it's it [TS]

  communicates a little bit of the jazz [TS]

  and hip-hop vibe [TS]

  it has the word cafe on it so it feels [TS]

  bohemian but also it was trying to be a [TS]

  cafe so it appeared you know we the [TS]

  hardest audience to appeal to was all [TS]

  the people walking past the Trailways [TS]

  bus station on the way to work in the [TS]

  morning and a lot of times I was the one [TS]

  standing there like bleary-eyed manning [TS]

  the espresso machine and you watch these [TS]

  business suit people walk by they appear [TS]

  in the bus station then see the cafe [TS]

  sign and I'd be in there I wave to him [TS]

  and they would just keep walking and it [TS]

  was like how we can you know that the [TS]

  big challenge was how do we how do we up [TS]

  the cafe component of the business [TS]

  because it felt like that was the road [TS]

  to legitimacy the rave business was [TS]

  always going to be on the in the shadows [TS]

  right but if we could get the cafe [TS]

  business running then we could get [TS]

  license then get all the get all the [TS]

  permits and stuff I mean there was a [TS]

  plan [TS]

  yeah absolutely that's the beauty of the [TS]

  cocaine it seems to me personally you [TS]

  got you got a place by cocaine people [TS]

  for cocaine people i mean the problem [TS]

  was that the people who are in there you [TS]

  know just muddling through with espresso [TS]

  we're not cocaine people don't want [TS]

  anyone vibrating on the same level that [TS]

  you guys were at all aware and you know [TS]

  and the art because it was basically we [TS]

  were all students and it was basically a [TS]

  student-run I mean it was like a student [TS]

  jazz ensemble can pass for most people [TS]

  as just a legitimate jazz ensemble if [TS]

  you were maybe a jazz pro you would know [TS]

  that this was kind of terrible chance [TS]

  but student arts like student painting [TS]

  really reads as student painting a lot [TS]

  of the time being the kind of thing [TS]

  you'd see in a cafe that doesn't have a [TS]

  license [TS]

  that's right so there was a lot of you [TS]

  know there was a lot of artwork that [TS]

  looked like mock-ups for the third [TS]

  Matrix movie and the heart never sold [TS]

  actually funny a connection the offbeat [TS]

  cafe is where i met Reggie Watts the [TS]

  comedian because Reggie when he was 20 [TS]

  years old his first foray into show [TS]

  business was as a jazz piano player no [TS]

  way that Reggie was one of the jazz [TS]

  musicians that came to the offbeat cafe [TS]

  in the afternoons and evenings he played [TS]

  a Wurlitzer piano and he would sit and [TS]

  you know Buddha Papa no Papa to do [TS]

  he's a great pianist and so he was like [TS]

  he was one of the jazz cats [TS]

  then I knew from the offbeat cafe and he [TS]

  evolved many different times before he [TS]

  decided then that his before he [TS]

  discovered his comedy act as gift [TS]

  yeah it's true gift hi so that's the [TS]

  first of all I mean it sounds like it [TS]

  could almost be like maybe like a gust [TS]

  fans and film it very much was that's [TS]

  yes it absolutely was my own private [TS]

  idaho but but including the part where [TS]

  she picks up on the motorcycle I think [TS]

  that's part of the movie but taken out [TS]

  of a kind of a punk-rock a gutter Punk [TS]

  econ text and put in a sort of [TS]

  multicultural multiracial cocaine [TS]

  context that's the thing it's the [TS]

  cocaine and I its there's something on [TS]

  admirable or enviable about the lindsey [TS]

  buckingham guy i have to say from a [TS]

  distance when you look at somebody like [TS]

  that who clearly is staring down common [TS]

  sense just constantly and then seemingly [TS]

  just kind of swerving around [TS]

  common-sense and making something work [TS]

  for a little while [TS]

  there's no that's that's not something [TS]

  that you know we're supposed to applied [TS]

  but when I see people like that in my [TS]

  cat and you're you're mostly pulling [TS]

  this off [TS]

  yeah I admired him yeah i would I [TS]

  admired him and you know and I kind of [TS]

  loved him a little bit and the other two [TS]

  terrible thing is I don't remember his [TS]

  name [TS]

  I you know this whole episode you might [TS]

  have never learned it seriously four [TS]

  years four months later I was back [TS]

  sitting in that same bar drinking in the [TS]

  afternoon [TS]

  what wondering like what had all just [TS]

  happens you know like I was sitting in [TS]

  the bar drinking in the afternoon and [TS]

  then two months later I was making six [TS]

  hundred dollars a night in illicit money [TS]

  I and running a like MDMA cocaine rave [TS]

  art gallery and then two months after [TS]

  that I was sitting back in the same bar [TS]

  and like and all those people were gone [TS]

  right like it had the height of that of [TS]

  the cap experience I probably knew by [TS]

  name [TS]

  a hundred and fifty people that I hadn't [TS]

  known before and knew on-site 400 people [TS]

  and then four months later like all of [TS]

  those people [TS]

  God the only people that I ever saw [TS]

  again where Reggie Reggie and I ended up [TS]

  in the state in similar circles [TS]

  maybe a couple of other dudes that I [TS]

  hung on to for a few months and the [TS]

  lindsey buckingham guy was gone forever [TS]

  chase who knows what happened to him he [TS]

  could be he could be the fucking sheriff [TS]

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  not do it without you should we go out [TS]

  and search for the off BK fac it's [TS]

  popping up if there's a pop-up cocaine [TS]

  MDMA cafe when he was involved it's been [TS]

  a long time since then I bet he's [TS]

  learned a lot [TS]

  he's probably evolved is by working [TS]

  different shoe stores i feel like there [TS]

  if there are not 400 businesses called [TS]

  the offbeat cafe then I don't know [TS]

  anything about anything [TS]

  it's a missed opportunity you know what [TS]

  I mean like I bet every state in the [TS]

  Union has an offbeat cafe and I bet [TS]

  there are ones in other off be cafes in [TS]

  every english-speaking country in the [TS]

  world over and there's probably one in [TS]

  marbella spain [TS]

  I'm betting there's an offbeat cafe and [TS]

  i bet you there's an offbeat cafe in [TS]

  zagreb I don't know fascinated by the [TS]

  cocaine people i had what uh what i [TS]

  would consider like a pretty lonely [TS]

  planet bands with people you know him [TS]

  pretty well but you know you move more [TS]

  with these people than those people who [TS]

  play with this band not that fancy kind [TS]

  of know you know who's seen who you know [TS]

  who's living where and doing what and it [TS]

  was pretty good friends with a lot of [TS]

  people in this band scene where i used [TS]

  to live and I i don't know how i missed [TS]

  this but apparently tons of people were [TS]

  doing a lot of cocaine in the [TS]

  mid-nineties and I just didn't know it [TS]

  I i don't know how i missed it i feel [TS]

  like such a Rube but like a bunch of my [TS]

  really good friends were doing cocaine [TS]

  like some some folks are doing it every [TS]

  night and then there's a couple people [TS]

  they're doing at least once a week and [TS]

  I'm not trying to sound like you know [TS]

  like a schoolmarm or something but the [TS]

  weird part was that i'm such a dummy I [TS]

  didn't even pick up on it i guess i had [TS]

  been exposed to it enough to know that [TS]

  you know people who have a full-time day [TS]

  job and run a bar every night me a [TS]

  little bump sometimes well I'm the thing [TS]

  but the thing about cocaine is very [TS]

  curious right it's the culture of it is [TS]

  predicated on the idea that you give [TS]

  somebody a look [TS]

  they give you a look back and then you [TS]

  sneak off into the bathroom together [TS]

  with the sex people it's a little bit [TS]

  like the second sex people know what to [TS]

  look for right if you're a sex person [TS]

  and you want to find another sex person [TS]

  to make sex with you can get pretty good [TS]

  at some people up pretty fast for sure [TS]

  is that right at well the thing is like [TS]

  some I was having this uh this [TS]

  conversation with a couple of people the [TS]

  other day where one of them was [TS]

  describing a former bandmate who was one [TS]

  of these sex people who would help [TS]

  because we were all talking about like [TS]

  yeah you know we're all in bands we are [TS]

  all on tour all the time and and yet [TS]

  there's an awful lot of loading and [TS]

  unloading of gear and an awful lot of [TS]

  standing around in offices that smell [TS]

  like bleach and not a ton of like having [TS]

  sex in a swing [TS]

  and this guy was how to clean that off [TS]

  with the bleach first this guy was [TS]

  talking about the drummer in his band [TS]

  and he was like he's one of those guys [TS]

  that you'll be sitting you'll be [TS]

  standing party will be talking to a girl [TS]

  on that you'll be making really great [TS]

  conversation to be enjoying her company [TS]

  you're thinking to yourself hey you know [TS]

  something is really coming together here [TS]

  between me and this girl and then the [TS]

  drummer walks in walks over says hey man [TS]

  how's it going [TS]

  looks at the girl she looks at him and [TS]

  he says you want to get out of here and [TS]

  she said yes and they're gone and that [TS]

  really happens happens [TS]

  and yet and so and my friends just like [TS]

  he we have we talked about it over and [TS]

  over again and he's like the trip the [TS]

  tremor predictably says yeah man it's an [TS]

  empty life you know it's a kind of a [TS]

  curse but it's like thinker the drum you [TS]

  know what fuck you [TS]

  but but you have to make the cook it is [TS]

  a little bit like the cocaine people in [TS]

  that sense of like when you are if [TS]

  you're a sex person like you're just [TS]

  going to always be looking out of the [TS]

  corner of your eye for something there's [TS]

  something that's gonna catch your eye [TS]

  and when those two fields of electricity [TS]

  start vibrating near each other then you [TS]

  then you go off and you have the sex [TS]

  yeah you go get you get the twinkle and [TS]

  I think of you I think of you are into [TS]

  cocaine and you have it think one of the [TS]

  keys is that if you have cocaine then [TS]

  you have a certain power which is that [TS]

  that a percentage of the people in the [TS]

  world want to do it and you have a thing [TS]

  that unlike pot like if you have pot [TS]

  there are a lot of people that want to [TS]

  get stoned with you but in a a big deal [TS]

  kind of like they're not always the [TS]

  there are not always the highest shelf [TS]

  highest caliber friend but if you have [TS]

  cocaine it puts you into this class of [TS]

  like now I can use cocaine to make [TS]

  friends your your uh you are a call [TS]

  brand friend that's right and if you are [TS]

  a person who will be friends with [TS]

  somebody for cocaine who then that too [TS]

  is a sort of energy that you are [TS]

  projecting it might not be a mistake [TS]

  that your your partners in in the club [TS]

  or salesman exactly because because the [TS]

  thing about sex people and cocaine [TS]

  people and salespeople is that the thing [TS]

  that they share that I the one part of [TS]

  all that awfulness that I really admire [TS]

  is that people who are really good at [TS]

  the sex and the cocaine and the selling [TS]

  is that they all seem to either not see [TS]

  the numerous barriers that I see [TS]

  everywhere more they just don't care [TS]

  well I think it's a third thing which is [TS]

  I think there are very few things in [TS]

  life very few pleasures of any kind of [TS]

  Merlin that you want enough to pretend [TS]

  to be friends with somebody that you [TS]

  don't like Rand likewise you do not [TS]

  desire to be friends with someone who [TS]

  wants to be friends with you because of [TS]

  something you can give them unless you [TS]

  have an understanding like these people [TS]

  to write as opportunistic and and like [TS]

  there have been times in my life when I [TS]

  have very much felt like I will be [TS]

  friends with you if you will have sex [TS]

  with me [TS]

  absolutely I will what do you mean is [TS]

  that is that is that I think it's simply [TS]

  that could be as simple as like well I [TS]

  really need to find somebody I'll be [TS]

  I'll pretend to be friends with anybody [TS]

  because my ride left and I need a way to [TS]

  get home it's just that you're not going [TS]

  to have that with that same velocity [TS]

  every night of your life and every [TS]

  afternoon morning of your life [TS]

  yeah and and in the marijuana department [TS]

  I was very very much a person who would [TS]

  be your friend if you would give me some [TS]

  pot and um and that was part of this the [TS]

  the kind of shame cloud that descended [TS]

  upon me over time because when I you [TS]

  know when i was first introduced upon I [TS]

  was like oh yeah part is cheap and um [TS]

  and it makes me want to play air guitar [TS]

  to side one of the Rolling Stones album [TS]

  sticky fingers but as time went on and [TS]

  pot cut its clutches on me and I was [TS]

  like I don't like not being stoned not [TS]

  being stoned is it is filling me with [TS]

  anxiety i would prefer to be stoned and [TS]

  I don't have any money [TS]

  so now i'm going to some guys house and [TS]

  he doesn't want to listen to sticky [TS]

  fingers he wants to listen to skinny [TS]

  puppy but i will listen to skinny puppy [TS]

  if he will smoke pot with me and then [TS]

  that guy realizes that and for whatever [TS]

  reason once somebody wants a friend to [TS]

  sit and listen to skinny puppy with him [TS]

  so then he would withhold the pot [TS]

  dangles it for hours and hours it's just [TS]

  like oh dude you've got to hear this [TS]

  latest Skinny Puppy album i'm like [TS]

  really there's another one yeah I'm like [TS]

  wow I'm super glad to hear it and we [TS]

  would listen to it and I just be sitting [TS]

  there I'm like I know you do I know this [TS]

  house is full of pop this house is built [TS]

  of pot take some out and put it in a box [TS]

  so that i can at least be stoned and [TS]

  listening to skinny puppy yeah so then I [TS]

  turned into one of those people and I [TS]

  and it and that's exactly as I say the [TS]

  caliber of me the caliber of my [TS]

  friendship and the caliber of of like [TS]

  what I was willing to endure just to [TS]

  have that stupid feeling of being high [TS]

  when really it's like ten dollars man [TS]

  you could just get to scrape ten dollars [TS]

  together and just go buy some pot I i [TS]

  I'm a slow learner [TS]

  but sometimes you get fixated not you [TS]

  but 11 gets fixated once you know I [TS]

  think that's pretty common [TS]

  did you ever buy pot yeah yeah yeah yeah [TS]

  first time I ever smoked pot was armed [TS]

  on the way to a cheap trick concert we [TS]

  drove into the bad part of town and [TS]

  bought what I now would recognize this [TS]

  like it's like a step above you know a [TS]

  regular whatever good green tissue paper [TS]

  that was a regular Braddock is it really [TS]

  it was like these guys have chosen a [TS]

  very smart place to sell their shitty [TS]

  pot which is a part of town that high [TS]

  school white high school students were [TS]

  terrified to be in and would get out of [TS]

  as quickly as possible [TS]

  it's a certain excitement of going there [TS]

  and buying their crappy pot it was awful [TS]

  and it didn't really take for a long [TS]

  time but now for a long time I you know [TS]

  not for long time even in college in [TS]

  college I would more often by the pot [TS]

  that was my my pot smoking period was [TS]

  mostly in college and I bought you know [TS]

  an okay amount of like a quarter bag for [TS]

  $45 yeah which back then was like the [TS]

  stuff to put you on the moon and today [TS]

  like that's the kind of thing you used [TS]

  to multiple aunt you write and a quarter [TS]

  was no small amount of pot that's what [TS]

  makes big black can make it last until I [TS]

  get a cold sore doing out of bed [TS]

  I haven't really other good times that's [TS]

  actually a stress bump it's not a course [TS]

  it's ok if I had a friend [TS]

  this is going to set this is going to [TS]

  see you know somebody wrote a review of [TS]

  our podcast the other day where they [TS]

  used the word they use the term [TS]

  questionable veracity which which was a [TS]

  little bit of a reach for their [TS]

  vocabulary wise anyway as in your [TS]

  stories are made up as in that there is [TS]

  some question as to what how true my [TS]

  stories on high by the part where people [TS]

  don't know when we're kidding i think [TS]

  that's fun [TS]

  yeah but I don't buy that part about the [TS]

  book i have to tell you listeners I [TS]

  can't prove these stories but i can tell [TS]

  you that these are by and large pretty [TS]

  much true well and the thing that that [TS]

  the thing that part really think that [TS]

  makes me mad is that I don't know [TS]

  whether he is a hundred percent clear on [TS]

  what veracity means oh you know I mean [TS]

  like he might have meant that they are [TS]

  you guys are no rush a rush a situation [TS]

  I think he was trying to say one thing [TS]

  and he ended up saying another [TS]

  think I don't fault him he was a very [TS]

  nice review ok but anyway this next [TS]

  story is gonna sound a little bit [TS]

  separations it's gonna sound a little [TS]

  bit Roderick on the line but I used to [TS]

  have a friend who worked at the [TS]

  community and I said the vaguest idea [TS]

  what that made up adjective even means i [TS]

  could not have heard all of our shows i [TS]

  have no fucking idea what that means it [TS]

  will be about Hitler will be about a [TS]

  train that gets stolen from movie idea [TS]

  no my friend was a was an ass it was [TS]

  some kind of like um like Secretariat at [TS]

  the Korean embassy and in Alaska [TS]

  nineteen seventies racehorse equal as he [TS]

  was in Seattle Slew really at heart he [TS]

  became he started out as an assistant [TS]

  and then he became part of the [TS]

  diplomatic corps i would love to be in [TS]

  the diplomatic corps of the Korean [TS]

  embassies and shit you can get away with [TS]

  if you're in the diplomatic corps of you [TS]

  tell you what you can get away with you [TS]

  can send me pot in by federal express [TS]

  with some kind of embassies because it's [TS]

  a dip with the call it a bad thing about [TS]

  a diplomatic pouch how true nobody's [TS]

  allowed to look at it that's cheating [TS]

  cheating or and I don't think that this [TS]

  maybe was all the way to being a [TS]

  diplomatic pouch but because it was [TS]

  coming from the Korean embassy it was in [TS]

  a special category of like don't mess [TS]

  around with this or or we just no one [TS]

  would think and so I was living in [TS]

  Seattle he was living in Alaska he had a [TS]

  pot-growing operation in addition to [TS]

  being a part of the part of like the [TS]

  inner circle because he worked his way [TS]

  in so that he became the ambassador's [TS]

  personal assistant or something he [TS]

  really had he was cooking in good with [TS]

  the with the ambassador and Alaska has a [TS]

  very large korean population so it's not [TS]

  like there are a lot of its not like [TS]

  every country has a diplomatic corps in [TS]

  Alaska but Korea does they have their [TS]

  own little and i'm not even sure if it's [TS]

  the Ambassador whether it was an [TS]

  attaché of [TS]

  I'm kind but in any case he would send [TS]

  me a huge bags of like pot that have [TS]

  been vacuum sealed and put into these [TS]

  like Korean embassy diplomatic pouches [TS]

  and they would be hand delivered to my [TS]

  door [TS]

  Wow at a time when I had decided I no [TS]

  longer wanted to listen to skinny puppy [TS]

  I needed I needed more dignity than that [TS]

  you have your game and I had some had [TS]

  some people in high places this was this [TS]

  was a bump right because I didn't sink [TS]

  much lower later on where I couldn't you [TS]

  know where I was just it sounds too good [TS]

  to be true i was i was digging in the [TS]

  carpet looking for crack rocks that make [TS]

  sure it's Wilson yeah um but it but [TS]

  there was a high time there there was a [TS]

  literally and figuratively like will up [TS]

  a few high plateaus where I figured it [TS]

  out and I had it all going on and at one [TS]

  point it was that I was getting these [TS]

  diplomatic pouches from the Korean [TS]

  embassy full of pretty high grade [TS]

  matanuska thunderfuck say that again [TS]

  matanuska thunderfuck ok alright are you [TS]

  familiar with manuscript under fuck I is [TS]

  it is it some serious shit manuscript [TS]

  thunderfuck was very serious shit [TS]

  uh it was uh it was like the high high [TS]

  high Poobah of pots back in the day [TS]

  because it was grown in the Matanuska [TS]

  Valley which is worse [TS]

  sarah palin is from and uh the legend [TS]

  was that because the Sun is up so long [TS]

  in the summer in Alaska and because the [TS]

  because the soil is so dark and black [TS]

  because it's all glacial river bottom [TS]

  that it was like the first brand of [TS]

  super pot and I think the I think if [TS]

  you're in amsterdam now or if you're in [TS]

  if your pot connoisseur the strain [TS]

  that's known as Northern Lights that's [TS]

  the sort of common but this stuff looks [TS]

  pretty serious northern Northern Lights [TS]

  I feel like something from the wizard of [TS]

  oz yeah jesus i think if you put if you [TS]

  put the word matanuska into the into [TS]

  google even without him on the canvas [TS]

  wiki looking at right now [TS]

  even without the word thunderfuck if you [TS]

  just put matanuska in there you'll get [TS]

  about half a pot images but manuscript [TS]

  under fuck was when I was a kid like in [TS]

  a way a kind of um one of the Alaskan [TS]

  exports we were most proud of it was [TS]

  like yes we have internationally famous [TS]

  super bud that comes from just right [TS]

  north of Anchorage it's a it was [TS]

  powerful stuff now these days of course [TS]

  you know i think that the true marijuana [TS]

  heads are all smoking like weird MIT [TS]

  laboratory pot which like hydroponic [TS]

  government experiment pot yeah which and [TS]

  this is the problem with it like all [TS]

  that stuff that you're talking about [TS]

  that we're ditch weed that we used to [TS]

  buy and you'd smoke a joint of it and [TS]

  you get kind of hot like say she was [TS]

  just like somebody cut up sage and sold [TS]

  it a shake weight [TS]

  yeah shake right though that was a [TS]

  really pleasant kind of groovy buzz that [TS]

  you could go to a concert you can hang [TS]

  out it was a social buzz and this this [TS]

  chronic bud of now it turns everybody [TS]

  into a freaking zombie you have to be [TS]

  have to be a scientist to smoke it and [TS]

  even make toast to the pot the pot [TS]

  people are smoking today it back from [TS]

  Bill Cosby [TS]

  what these people smoke for their pot [TS]

  today is about it seems like it's about [TS]

  at the level of like we're acid was in [TS]

  the sixties where you can just sit there [TS]

  all day long like jelly bellies and and [TS]

  you know yes some goofy might happen but [TS]

  you know I but like that that's what we [TS]

  had and now today stuff today I'm sorry [TS]

  there's no thatthat's back when we were [TS]

  kids and stuff they've got today it just [TS]

  seems it seems just leveling just [TS]

  leveling just knock you out [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah yeah I never liked [TS]

  feeling that way i did not like feeling [TS]

  out of control with the pot know it's [TS]

  super hot out of control out of control [TS]

  with drinking is fun but hot is way out [TS]

  of control for me because you get heart [TS]

  palpitations you start to meet the [TS]

  number of people i can imagine i can [TS]

  imagine almost anything being wrong with [TS]

  me when you are super super big no yeah [TS]

  oh yeah like there's a lot of things [TS]

  that are about to go really wrong [TS]

  well it's it's that it's the hilarious [TS]

  trope of like I think this pot is laced [TS]

  with PCP people are people cannot [TS]

  believe how stoned and out of control [TS]

  and freaked out you can get on pot and [TS]

  so they have invented this hilarious [TS]

  story where they think that pcp dealers [TS]

  are wasting perfectly good PCP and [TS]

  putting it on pot on normal pop and just [TS]

  sending it out there and you can put it [TS]

  on the shredder racers and people that [TS]

  smoke it right i mean it doesn't need to [TS]

  be on good pot well and I think the [TS]

  logic of the idea was that pcp dealers [TS]

  will get you hooked on PCP and then [TS]

  you'll come crawling back for more if [TS]

  they sprinkle it on [TS]

  oh I see I get it or that again in [TS]

  people's like overactive imaginations [TS]

  somehow pcp dealers are sociopaths who [TS]

  enjoy the idea of getting people freaked [TS]

  out on PCP not that they can see it's [TS]

  just happening in dorm rooms they're [TS]

  essentially dosing them their dosing [TS]

  them but not but they're not they don't [TS]

  even get to enjoy the experience of [TS]

  watching them trip out there just don't [TS]

  think them and just sitting somewhere in [TS]

  their pcp van [TS]

  contented with the knowledge that they [TS]

  are fucking with kids I mean all of it [TS]

  is of course false no one has ever ever [TS]

  ever ever ever sold pcp laced pot for [TS]

  the price of pot you could get pcp laced [TS]

  pot if you paid extra for the some [TS]

  people do get the PCPD on purpose take [TS]

  it still [TS]

  yeah you know one time I was standing [TS]

  with a group of guys on Northern Lights [TS]

  boulevard in anchorage alaska which was [TS]

  the strip where we cruised cruising [TS]

  strip know what I'm saying [TS]

  yeah the script this trip with [TS]

  decreasing yeah that's right it's the [TS]

  cruising strip Northern Lights one way [TS]

  and bends in the other way and we were [TS]

  parked in them in the middle there's a [TS]

  block between northern lights and Benson [TS]

  we're parked somewhere in the middle [TS]

  there across from bob's big boy and I [TS]

  was with a couple of guys one of them [TS]

  had a brand-new Audi and the other guy [TS]

  had a had borrowed his dad's Corvette [TS]

  and we were we're hanging out and there [TS]

  was a group of about 10 of us sitting [TS]

  around and this was this was the first [TS]

  time that you know the Corvette was [TS]

  still kind of the car then matter to [TS]

  people in the eighties i guess i'm not [TS]

  sure maybe not but in any case we're [TS]

  sitting there kind of cruising we're [TS]

  watching the cruisers go by and we're [TS]

  smoking pot or drinking beer and we're [TS]

  having a good time and this guy walks up [TS]

  who's like a little bit older and he's [TS]

  like hey you guys you know what's going [TS]

  on [TS]

  sits and talks to us for a while and [TS]

  we're like a little suspicious of this [TS]

  guy but but it's Saturday night we're [TS]

  having a good time and he seems I guess [TS]

  cool that's not so sure he's like hey [TS]

  here you guys like to party we're like [TS]

  how we like to party and he says you [TS]

  want to hit of what I'm smoking and [TS]

  we're all sitting there smoking pot and [TS]

  it seemed like a gesture of [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  friendly pot like pop culture friend [TS]

  exchange yeah like here have a hit of my [TS]

  pot I'll take a hit of your pot and so [TS]

  he hands the pipe to my friend shannon [TS]

  and shadows like sure to get your bottom [TS]

  and we're still this guy's there's [TS]

  something there's a vibe about this guy [TS]

  that's not a hundred percent but this [TS]

  was at an age when you would take a hit [TS]

  off of a pipe of a guy that you didn't [TS]

  feel a hundred percent confident about [TS]

  what's the worst thing that can happen [TS]

  yeah and so Shannon takes a hit of the [TS]

  pipe and he go he you know he kind of [TS]

  looks at the guy and he's like hey man [TS]

  what is that and the guy is like be like [TS]

  it and shadows like you know like cops [TS]

  out a big thing smoking is like hey dude [TS]

  that's not cool and the guy splits like [TS]

  just heal and toes it down the sidewalk [TS]

  and you know and we're kind of sitting [TS]

  there in the dark and and Shannon's like [TS]

  oh man what the fuck was that [TS]

  and we're all like what what wasn't he's [TS]

  like oh no I don't know about that and [TS]

  he was very touch-and-go for a while and [TS]

  he was he [TS]

  we came to the conclusion that it was [TS]

  PCP and he sort of like we we watched [TS]

  him and he was you know he was a guy [TS]

  that was not unfamiliar with every kind [TS]

  of drug and he ended up being somebody [TS]

  who would many years later I think to [TS]

  pcp maybe not habitually but on purpose [TS]

  sometimes you know he never turned his [TS]

  nose up at a thing um but but I had that [TS]

  experience and then later on when i was [TS]

  working at the offering there was a guy [TS]

  who played guitar in a band called mock [TS]

  turtle mock turtle spelt ma CH ouchies [TS]

  and they were upon visit alex and i was [TS]

  hoping his post-rock know this was pre [TS]

  post right it was Punk and he went on a [TS]

  pcp trip back up [TS]

  at times and at one point fell down a [TS]

  flight of stairs and at one point [TS]

  through his guitar out the window just [TS]

  like art Linkletter his daughter was [TS]

  running around naked screaming and [TS]

  something about his dad [TS]

  oh god yeah tough times mock turtle [TS]

  nocturnal huh [TS]

  I'm glad I'm s2 clear that stuff I i [TS]

  I've got to go back to the diplomatic [TS]

  bag for a minute diplomatic pouch [TS]

  certain protections used for carrying [TS]

  official correspondence here in the [TS]

  second sentence is what gets me the [TS]

  physical concept of a quote-unquote [TS]

  diplomatic bag is flexible and therefore [TS]

  can take many forms EG a cardboard box [TS]

  briefcase duffel bag large suitcase [TS]

  crate or even a shipping container a [TS]

  shipping container can be a diplomatic [TS]

  pouch shipping container can be a [TS]

  diplomatic pouch can I mean this is [TS]

  along the lines of like fucking buying [TS]

  indulgences you know this is one of [TS]

  those completely phony baloney [TS]

  make-believe concepts that is its so [TS]

  goddamn brilliant [TS]

  it's like the it's like the Espionage [TS]

  version of like a bag of holding and I [TS]

  don't think it's not like somebody from [TS]

  both sides has to be there to watch you [TS]

  put it in and say like oh no this is [TS]

  definitely something top secret nobody [TS]

  should know about you just get to by [TS]

  Fiat declare this a diplomatic bag you [TS]

  get a limit on a certain square-like [TS]

  cubic inches of cubic cubic inches of [TS]

  diplomatic bag per year per country you [TS]

  can drive a Cadillac with Jimmy Hoffa [TS]

  and danny devito dead in the back and I [TS]

  don't miss that little guy it into into [TS]

  a shipping container call it a [TS]

  diplomatic power diplomatic pouch and [TS]

  drop it into the ocean somewhere [TS]

  it seems like a like a really missed [TS]

  opportunity here it's just it's he hits [TS]

  like I wonder what it would take to [TS]

  basically to get almost everything [TS]

  declared a diplomatic bag think about [TS]

  like not having to pay tariffs you know [TS]

  this is the question this is the [TS]

  Illuminati question we don't know what [TS]

  we don't know [TS]

  oh my god you just blew my mind you know [TS]

  you and i you and i keep talking about [TS]

  how there are no conspiracies that have [TS]

  survived yeah then we get a lot of we [TS]

  get a lot of chemtrails style you know [TS]

  some people telling us that we don't [TS]

  know what conspiracies have survived [TS]

  because they have survived to keep [TS]

  stuffing them into a diplomatic pouch I [TS]

  don't get to see him [TS]

  that's right who knows what's who knows [TS]

  what's buried in the bottom of the ocean [TS]

  in a [TS]

  dramatic parts that somebody pushed off [TS]

  the back of a boat shipping container is [TS]

  Big John [TS]

  well yeah but I mean did you see the [TS]

  movie where Robert Redford sales around [TS]

  the world alone on a sailboat and every [TS]

  bite his arm off announcing that 10 yeah [TS]

  he runs into a shipping container that's [TS]

  floating out there in fact when they [TS]

  were looking for that Malaysian airliner [TS]

  they kept finding pieces of debris in [TS]

  the ocean and then with a zoom in on [TS]

  it's just a shipping container full of [TS]

  tennis shoes that fell off the back of a [TS]

  boat it's just floating out there that's [TS]

  amazing you think you need like a [TS]

  special seal like how do they know it's [TS]

  like officially like somebody had to [TS]

  give this some kind of an official okie [TS]

  dokie to make the the bag or the [TS]

  shipping container turn into a [TS]

  diplomatic bag that's that's a pretty [TS]

  big deal it's one thing to say oh I'm [TS]

  going to go park wherever I feel like I [TS]

  was a huge thing in san francisco was [TS]

  people just like somebody i think this [TS]

  one is from Saudi Arabia had like I [TS]

  think thousands and thousands of dollars [TS]

  in tickets because this guy was just [TS]

  fucking with people buy parking like a [TS]

  fountain or whatever haha you can't do [TS]

  anything because of the diplomatic [TS]

  immunity right diplomatic immunity think [TS]

  that was I think that was the turning [TS]

  point where the the plot point of a lot [TS]

  of a tease cop dramas i think it was [TS]

  that's right you can't look at what was [TS]

  the what was the beverly hills cop [TS]

  oh that was a that was a situation where [TS]

  the guy was getting through custom [TS]

  that's where you put the pot in coffee [TS]

  you put the pot in coffee that's right [TS]

  for that surely put drugs in john deere [TS]

  bands all the German bearer bonds of [TS]

  everyone the bear box scheisse hole [TS]

  which was also the plot of diehard [TS]

  during never had problems right where [TS]

  they need to be painted the the the lock [TS]

  on the safe to disengage brilliant [TS]

  everyone's ya see German bearer bonds [TS]

  I've been doing it all wrong the bearer [TS]

  bonds vulnerable i feel like i feel like [TS]

  there is not that much oversight in what [TS]

  someone calls a diplomatic pouch i did [TS]

  is i think has been controversies in the [TS]

  past and it was not a big issue for all [TS]

  a couple years ago where somebody open [TS]

  diplomatic bag and does not happen [TS]

  sometimes something gets mad because [TS]

  somebody in North Korea open the [TS]

  diplomatic bag or something [TS]

  Oh [TS]

  no I i have not been up on like the [TS]

  diplomatic bag blogs [TS]

  what if what if you found some way [TS]

  nothing to do this in a legal way but it [TS]

  seems to me that you would get through [TS]

  tsa a lot faster to do you still have to [TS]

  do a lot of flying this summer you know [TS]

  you need to get some diplomatic bags [TS]

  you might have to go through tsa you [TS]

  might just hold up the bag and they're [TS]

  waving through the only way to see it [TS]

  I've you know the the other day I went [TS]

  to sea tac airport for the grand opening [TS]

  of the sub pop store and had that on [TS]

  your calendar for a while [TS]

  well you know I like I'm friends with [TS]

  the with the sub pop your feet on his [TS]

  desk at one point that's right he and I [TS]

  he and i were were fast friends but [TS]

  Megan Jasper who is the executive vice [TS]

  president of Sub Pop she and I both sit [TS]

  on the Seattle music Commission together [TS]

  so we see each other all the time and I [TS]

  Megan invited some of us down to the [TS]

  grand opening of the sub pop store in [TS]

  the airport which required that we go [TS]

  through the airport as employees so we [TS]

  all met we rendezvous dat a part of the [TS]

  airport I had never really been to it [TS]

  hadn't occurred to me to go explore like [TS]

  the part of the airport that is being [TS]

  marketed as a convention center because [TS]

  apparently you can have a convention at [TS]

  the airport now and up a person from the [TS]

  airport métis took us in an elevator i [TS]

  had never seen before we went down four [TS]

  flights chemtrails ordower the basement [TS]

  of the airport [TS]

  well now we went to a door where [TS]

  somebody looked at us on a TV screen you [TS]

  know the airport had a basement [TS]

  I didn't holy shit wait there's more [TS]

  each person that was escorting a group [TS]

  of people through this door could only [TS]

  take three people with them so there had [TS]

  to be there like nine of us there to be [TS]

  three escorts and each escort went [TS]

  through the door separately so they talk [TS]

  to the person on the TV screen there [TS]

  like I'm bringing these three people and [TS]

  the door buzzed and they went in and [TS]

  then the next group and the next group [TS]

  and then you're in this incredible [TS]

  baggage Warren where it's under the [TS]

  building it's completely inside the [TS]

  building but all those baggage carts and [TS]

  trucks are driving on streets with stop [TS]

  lights and intersections and stuff all [TS]

  on there's like it looks like one of [TS]

  those ups distribution centers the way I [TS]

  mean it sounds like a like a Bond [TS]

  villain hideout waiting to happen [TS]

  absolutely chutes and ladders totally [TS]

  going on down there and then so we had [TS]

  to wait until we could get across this [TS]

  busy street under the building and then [TS]

  we went outside onto the tarmac up a [TS]

  flight of stairs and outside flight of [TS]

  stairs and then use the key card to open [TS]

  a door and then we were just in the [TS]

  terminal as if we were normal regular [TS]

  people except we were surrounded by [TS]

  people who had like official badges and [TS]

  we were clearly very special people and [TS]

  I was like wow this is some serious [TS]

  heavy duty in and out if you have the [TS]

  right card you can go all around the [TS]

  airport right and i think if you are [TS]

  carrying diplomatic pouches maybe you're [TS]

  going in a different door i'm not sure i [TS]

  can't imagine a guy with a special [TS]

  diplomatic pouch headed for whose becca [TS]

  Stan that he has to put that pouch on [TS]

  them on the conveyor belt right possibly [TS]

  not i mean it seems like you almost [TS]

  would like get the equivalent of a note [TS]

  like you would get some kind of thing we [TS]

  like a don't make a big deal i got a [TS]

  diplomatic pouch you may not have a [TS]

  handcuffed to your wrist but it seems [TS]

  like I bet you get you get good to go [TS]

  through a special line now it's just so [TS]

  much amazing about what you just [TS]

  described it also doesn't sound like [TS]

  something they do all that often that [TS]

  Cena exposing you to all that luggage [TS]

  down there it just seems like they're [TS]

  showing your way too much together into [TS]

  a sub pop store [TS]

  yeah well I it seems like if you are [TS]

  somebody who works at the airport there [TS]

  is a way that you go in every day and [TS]

  you should you go in through a back door [TS]

  and you end up working at the [TS]

  at the chipotle er whatever it is at the [TS]

  airport right i mean all those people [TS]

  have to get into the airport so that i [TS]

  think about it a lot but this was a this [TS]

  was a a route [TS]

  I mean I think they may be worth showing [TS]

  off a little bit i'm not exactly sure [TS]

  but it was it was a glimpse into the [TS]

  literally the bowels of the airport then [TS]

  I never thought I would see that is so [TS]

  cool i was excited how's the house the [TS]

  store and pop store [TS]

  yeah I have to give it two thumbs up uh [TS]

  it they are selling long winters vinyl [TS]

  there is it really like is it is it one [TS]

  of those where they act like it's the [TS]

  store but it's really just mostly place [TS]

  for designing waters in Details magazine [TS]

  i know it's it they have they have this [TS]

  fantastic selection of very cool stuff [TS]

  and it is like it's complete you are in [TS]

  the Seattle Airport and you don't go to [TS]

  the supplement store your ding-a-ling to [TS]

  like shirts shirts and they have damaged [TS]

  an entire wall of vinyl you can buy any [TS]

  like the last time i was in there i [TS]

  bought super funds big muff and bleach [TS]

  and ultimate alternative waivers all on [TS]

  vinyl I narrow any of those things on [TS]

  vinyl before you sent for your kitchen i [TS]

  miss upon record it's right and they're [TS]

  there tote bags there there there are [TS]

  sub pop branded neck pillows [TS]

  it's pretty good it's pretty funny stuff [TS]

  and they um they say that they're like [TS]

  they're making money along a long time [TS]

  before they thought they were and a lot [TS]

  more than maple and your friends of [TS]

  these people John it sounds like cocaine [TS]

  talk i imagine the rent on that place [TS]

  has got to be astronomical [TS]

  he even imagine what the rental place [TS]

  like that must be well yeah except think [TS]

  about all the places that are selling [TS]

  like stuffed orcas and canned salmon in [TS]

  the Seattle Airport it's not it you know [TS]

  like for all the for all the beats by [TS]

  dr. dre that gets old [TS]

  um there are a lot of people making [TS]

  money trying to make money just selling [TS]

  like the most garbagey crap and bananas [TS]

  and Richard here tho dolls [TS]

  yeah exactly and and the sub pop store [TS]

  also [TS]

  the like the manager of it the main guy [TS]

  is Mark pickles the drummer of the [TS]

  Screaming Trees what [TS]

  so if you go in there all the people [TS]

  that are that are working at the sub pop [TS]

  like see no greater ar-ar-ar like actual [TS]

  rock stars that's hilarious [TS]

  are you screaming trees fan I'd i'm not [TS]

  super familiar [TS]

  yeah yeah they're very good oh my [TS]

  goodness what you couldn't guess that [TS]

  home we had your feet up on that guy's [TS]

  desk never would've guessed well and I [TS]

  can I try to make that joke i thought [TS]

  that it was very funny to make a joke [TS]

  like wow we really come a long way from [TS]

  you know he's famously disputed a lot of [TS]

  your stories the veracity of your [TS]

  stories in the past has a the Jonathan [TS]

  Parliament is that the guy [TS]

  yeah he and I I you know it was that was [TS]

  my first exposure to to somebody saying [TS]

  everything I wanted someone to say to me [TS]

  like we talked about wanting to be [TS]

  proved right or validated Jonathan [TS]

  Parliament came up to me after our third [TS]

  show is the Hurricanes there's the [TS]

  Western State hurricanes and said you [TS]

  are the future of rock and roll [TS]

  that's number one that was like no dude [TS]

  look yes thank you and he was like I'm i [TS]

  want to take you to lunch tomorrow and I [TS]

  was like okay and you know he was a [TS]

  famous sky in seattle and he took me to [TS]

  lunch and we laughed and we had fun and [TS]

  he's very smart and he said listen [TS]

  there's no there's nobody in rock that's [TS]

  doing what you're doing and it needs it [TS]

  rock'n'roll needs it and I was like tell [TS]

  me more about this tell me more about [TS]

  how rock-and-roll needs me he was like [TS]

  rock-and-roll needs you and this was but [TS]

  this was in the kind of the dark years [TS]

  of sub pop right between I mean was pre [TS]

  resurgence pre shins pre and post like [TS]

  that [TS]

  Singles Club and stuff like that post [TS]

  singles club it's right in the priest [TS]

  brothers era writer the stone mountain [TS]

  boys [TS]

  um there was an era already kind of [TS]

  diversifying tip yeah six or seven years [TS]

  there where they weren't really having [TS]

  very many hits and they were playing [TS]

  that they were making a lot of different [TS]

  kinds of you [TS]

  but before they started having hits [TS]

  again because the next generation of [TS]

  bands to come out on sub-options [TS]

  post-service band of horses you know [TS]

  whatever fleet foxes I mean they had [TS]

  hits and hits and hits in the two [TS]

  thousands but in 1998 it was still it [TS]

  was still kind of a weird time and he [TS]

  really so that's when Suppan it was [TS]

  putting records there [TS]

  yes that's crazy zutano was not selling [TS]

  yeah I know it's hard even google them [TS]

  there were some great bands but they [TS]

  bring our friend Sean and I think might [TS]

  be the only still standing Zampano super [TS]

  fans in the world i love them so much of [TS]

  a pretty big ben because of because I [TS]

  got into them you know reverse following [TS]

  AC newman i went back and figured out [TS]

  Zapata oh it was after mathematics went [TS]

  back it was yeah well it was after it [TS]

  was after that first in AC newman solo [TS]

  record why [TS]

  really yeah that thing is die don't like [TS]

  I got a I got a great video of my [TS]

  daughter dancing to like a hit man like [TS]

  a dancer which is about two years old to [TS]

  dance the day and doesn't don't don't [TS]

  don't don't don't kind of mention one [TS]

  thing John passing his last sentence of [TS]

  the opening paragraph it is often the [TS]

  diplomatic bag it is often escorted by a [TS]

  diplomatic courier is similarly immune [TS]

  from arrest and detention going me know [TS]

  what you want now i know that's a power [TS]

  that you would only use for good i'm [TS]

  just saying if you wanted to start up a [TS]

  cocaine rave right Faye with with that [TS]

  was emerging Jackson playing playing [TS]

  playing piano is our 2nd base that's [TS]

  right because the other he had you could [TS]

  you could be hit so much you were [TS]

  carrying something that said diplomatic [TS]

  bag on it they couldn't arrest you [TS]

  so in this sense the courier is an [TS]

  extension of the bag [TS]

  which is an extension of the the [TS]

  Admiralty of the other kind of the [TS]

  country of the sovereignty [TS]

  that's right it is a samedi is it is [TS]

  you're like the long erect wang of [TS]

  america and nobody is allowed to put the [TS]

  cuffs on that way you're holding onto [TS]

  the bag and as long as you hold onto the [TS]

  bag holding eight you have the power of [TS]

  the nation [TS]

  the nation [TS]

  it could be it could be full of like [TS]

  ritz crackers it doesn't matter [TS]

  you better shake it you got it is back [TS]

  especially if you have handcuffed to [TS]

  your hand I'm just saying I think [TS]

  ninety-nine percent of diplomatic bags [TS]

  are full of cocaine has to be [TS]