Roderick on the Line

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00:00:29 ◼   ► hello hey John hi Merlin has it going [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► good how are you going I'm going it's [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► early it's pretty early is early pretty [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► early but uh but you know I I'm living a [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► new way got a new whole new life so I'm [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► i feel like this isn't even early for me [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► wow I just can't talk about just like [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► come on bring it you know really tired [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► I'm tired of being on the wrong side of [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► history [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► oh just like up and going and just [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► living and you're achieving ah yeah oh [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► yeah he just dodging bullets [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► yeah no I'm no I'm definitely not just [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► putting out fires i am living in the now [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► and in the past and in the future [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► oh wow yeah why is that it is it [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► anything in particular this it's like [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► this change is just your schedule gotten [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► busy no it's just you know what it was [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► it was just that i decided i decided [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► that every single book and pamphlet and [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► website link i had ever been given to a [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► life improvement style a philosophy i [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► was just going to let him sit down over [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► the course of a weekend I was just going [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► to digest it all on implement it that's [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► the best way to do it [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► yeah yeah you're gonna let that stuff [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► piled up its like the old like old new [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► york times or something just want to [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► really sit down and just really get [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► through [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► yeah well the thing is a lot of the [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► words of the same roof between uh [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► between philosophy so i was able to kind [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► of go through and you know kind of like [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► when you originally learn to do [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► fractions you know you kind of cross off [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► these these sort of similar words like [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► when you're doing long division [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► you know I still do stuff on doing long [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► division that I learned in third grade [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► and I probably don't need to but it's [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► like I'm doing better division if I show [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► my work I feel that way too well with a [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► lot of stuff although times tables i'm [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► very proud of having memorized my times [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► tables a long time ago [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► and so you know I you'll never catch me [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► rolling my eyes up to to remember my [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► time stable system 7 I was 6 times 7 is [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► Wow hi I'm AKA you know like there's a [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► and actually 67 was a very important [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► equation if you think those what would [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► that be [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► I want to be the one hundred different [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► multiplication problems that create the [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► times tables right so angry so you [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► figure you get you know if you look at [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► like 1 x 2 into x 2 and those are at the [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► very far left end of the curve six times [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► seven there was a very long tail seven [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► times eight and six times seven both [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► took me this is like the last two that i [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► learned i found them incredibly [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► difficult [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► well and so this is what y 6 times 7 was [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► so important to me because six times [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► seven was the first one I learned [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► oh because I because 42 is such a nice [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► number who and six times seven seems to [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► be a dick you know six times seven just [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► seems to produce nothing right i mean [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► it's just like six is there but seven is [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► a weird number we just wanna multiply in [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► that way like seven half dozen of eggs [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► it seems pretty random yeah but that you [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► know that happens like okay well how [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► many are in a bushel of six of them all [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► right so how many do we have seven of [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► them you know the guy i find myself [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► doing that all the time [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► sure but six times seven was a such an [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► ungainly and awkward equation produce [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► such a beautiful number 42 that it stood [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► out in my head and so it was like it was [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► the linchpin it was the capstone of my [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► whole well that's the wrong way of [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► getting should be a capstone 0 gateway [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► drug [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► capstone is the first one you put it is [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► the last one you can keep not a keystone [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► then you know it's not a keystone I [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► guess it would be a cornerstone because [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► I would then I could work i came over [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► for a rock i could work either direction [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► from from 40 to write it because I knew [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► six times seven so if you say you know [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► seven times eight [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► I know like I can work for [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► 42 went from 42 in either direction and [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► it helped me and help me you know [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► memorize that it was an errand medical [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► stake in the ground [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► yeah that's right that's good 67 and so [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► did you had all this stuff some of it [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► was electronic i'm guessing a lot of [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► those things you printed out probably [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► since the early 2000s think about [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► leadership and see Iration so people [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► print stuff out for me people people i [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► don't i don't typically print stuff out [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► even when i'm asked to print stuff out [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► yeah education considering the [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► environment [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► well yeah and I also just seems like [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► printers really factors God sleep are we [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► still I remember when printers were [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► described as being on the way out [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► currently obsolete in what was that [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► 1999b yeah because the laser rider when [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► the laser came out with the mac and you [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► could have like a mac ac30 and [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► laserwriter and you could make a [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► production-quality publication that was [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► life-changing but it wasn't long before [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► cooking you know maybe we don't know [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► this production [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► yeah seems like we make a lot of paper [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► remember that you've ever worked in an [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► office where you would just get [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► everybody in the office got the same [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► like 30 sheets of paper every day I used [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► to work currency at piper jaffray which [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► was a investment company [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► yeah i'm gonna head like a hole full of [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► paper detectable floors they had that [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► and anything that they their office was [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► in a building in downtown Seattle that [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► was designed by the same guy who [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► designed the world trade center and it [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► was like a proto World Trade Center this [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► building was built in the in the [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► mid-sixties and it's a much smaller sort [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► of you know like archetype of that style [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► of concrete construction and if you look [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► at it knowing that it was designed by [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► the same guy [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► it kind of takes your breath away you're [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► like oh my god it is sort of like a [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► little world trade center and the top [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► three floors of this building which [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► should be the most expensive offices in [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► it and could be some of the nicest [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► offices in downtown Seattle [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► are like the windows are papered over [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► and it's just full of boxes of papers of [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► long-ago business transactions but but [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► like the whole the whole reason we were [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► encouraged to start using computers was [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► that they were going to do away with [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► paper and now i get i get five emails a [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► week from people saying well print this [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► out fill it out then fax at Brown my god [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► John like God I go die I would rather [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► not do the job I would rather not do i [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► would not rather not get paid the money [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► well whatever it is it's how anytime [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► there's a relationship that will involve [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► money you're gonna have to send almost [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► always especially with large large [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► Institute's institutions and [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► organizations you almost always have to [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► send them like three pieces of paper [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► always but you know what's weird though [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► is if I think back to that time and i [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► was working in office i was making [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► mostly about the time I was well admit [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► early mid nineties i was making a lot of [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► courtroom exhibits that we would print [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► out sometimes on a very costly color [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► printer but but the truth was like [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► nothing felt real like nobody could [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► relax until it had printed out in [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► multiple copies you know it wasn't [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► really yet it had it wasn't a thing what [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► didn't matter that we're doing it setup [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► you know automated backups and stuff [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► like that didn't matter it didn't exist [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► until it was something you could put in [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► a fedex envelope [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► well as you know i mean it's a cliche to [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► say but well as I was going through my [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► dad's papers probably a refrigerator box [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► full of paper that what without you that [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► had a receipt receipt school photo at [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► the top at the girl that sure but then [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► at the top you know the kind of [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► gibberish that that that used to be at [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► the top of every email you printed out [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► and then it would be like hi honey how [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► are you I've just been thinking about [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► you okay [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► write me when you can and he's like [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► printing out emails not just the emails [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► that he receives but like also printing [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► out is part of the email like and you [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► know emails he get back like [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► everything's good dad talk to you soon [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► just like wow you're printing these out [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► and partly it's he's putting it out [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► because [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► I he wants to have a record but i think [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► a big part of it was it wasn't real it [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► wasn't real until I mean look at it on [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► the computer screen maybe like 10 [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► yeah i mean that's put too fine a point [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► on it but I think for a lot of people I [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► was working 2.com I told you the story [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► about our CTO there who thought that I [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► should invent email attachments because [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► that we need idea that he was completely [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► backward you nothing he didn't know the [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► scroll wheel on his mouth confused him i [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► told you about this guy and he basically [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► i think his work flow was a common [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► workflow in the late nineties which was [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► the same way that today we would read [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► email and you might flag it or you might [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► if you're me you turn that into like an [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► action somewhere else that's it that's a [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► tip anything you printed out with [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► something that you either had to read or [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► you have to do something about and [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► that's the way you did your email [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► anytime you got to ask for old people [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► when you got to an email you actually do [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► something about you printed out put it [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► otherwise it wasn't real right you can [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► you post a thing any post a might be [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► misremembering this but did you post [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► something with your dad's letter to the [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► car dealership about his last payment on [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► a car [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► oh I don't think that was me and that [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► you know I think that might have been [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► maybe I was Dan Benjamin could be i like [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► when mi like when people put those kinds [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► of things i love that ephemera but now I [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► have a lot of that stuff but but you [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► know I think a lot of my dad's [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► correspondence is still protected under [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► some sort of lawyer-client privilege [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► foundation under various transit laws [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► intelligence but i'm telling you i've [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► decided to adopt all principles of [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► self-improvement i'm so excited to hear [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► about this yeah and one of them is just [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► like I just woke up at the crack of dawn [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► this morning i made a blender of raw [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► eggs and I'm gonna get that Iran regular [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► wash that museum in Philadelphia put my [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► fist in the air and then I started [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► immediately writing the best work of my [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► life and I just that one weekend of [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► reviewing this materials and now here I [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► am at a time that formerly would have [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► been pretty daunting to me i've already [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► done so much today [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► wow yeah I'm fine and you know i'm i'm [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► here i'm getting married haha [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► there's a lot I mean you know I'm not [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► just thinking about it but I'm taking [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► over the hump on it feel like you have [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► anybody in mind [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► I you know I read a lot of a lot of [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► stuff that said that married people are [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► happier [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► yes and so you live longer John if you [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► made me so you'll take fewer risks [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► seemed like a thing that had you know up [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► until just a just a little while ago I i [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► was pretty anti-marriage but now I'm [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► re-evaluating this is evaluated a lot [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► ever I i would love to hear about all [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► seeing all of that at one time in one [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► place that's a lot of that deep data [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► really sink in [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► yeah whereas if you're eating you know [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► piecemeal throughout the month just a [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► little nibble here in newtonville there [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► but you you really set down your [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► information transformant you sat down [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► and said love rain over me tell me what [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► should I do [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► that's right i went into the tank went [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► into the tank and and now the [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► formaldehyde of self-knowledge is [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► permeated all my cells ask you you're [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► getting up early you might get married [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► you're gonna hear is your problem [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► here's the problem a lot of these books [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► lead me to the inescapable conclusion [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► that i need to log off [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► oh you mean the internet I need to log [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► off the internet because of productivity [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► well because of productivity and because [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► of spiritual the cleanliness you know [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► it's not just enough to not read the [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► comments section because the Internet [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► has become a comment section the entire [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► internet and so to avoid the comments [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► page you have to avoid everything I mean [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► I remember just it was not a couple of [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► years ago that I felt like a genius [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► because I was getting my news from [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► Twitter then it was a thousand times [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► better than getting my news from the [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► news but now [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► twitter is the news yeah it's the same [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► news and you feel the same bad way and [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► yet you're it's like it's like the new [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► it's like like have reverted all the way [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► back to that era when people couldn't [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► take their eyes off of CNN [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► oh yeah and it's like everyone headline [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► news i remember i was living with my on [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► my horrible stepfather when headline [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► news got popular and he would just leave [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► he would sit there in a chair and watch [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► the 30-minute somebody with Michael and [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► cycle day long [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► yeah and every every every half hour [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► they would add one little new not even a [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► new bit but like sometimes just a word [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► to the scroll that one word would change [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► like instead of pending it would say you [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► know it would say something else you [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► know like that not that away [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► it's a pretty long time ago also now but [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► you bet you're right and I'm and now I'm [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► you still see that today you get to an [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► airport it's just want to all CNN to see [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► anything that's for I really don't know [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► who that's for [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► well but unfortunately now twitter has [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► become this like whatever that whatever [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► the news it is that twitter has decided [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► is the important news which sometimes is [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► Twitter still is very proud of itself [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► when what it decides the news is not the [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► same as what CNN decides the news-times [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► does a pretty good job and it doesn't [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► amazing job especially at first except [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► now it's doing an amazing job and i am [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► back as a person watching the freaking [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► news which is not a person I want to be [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► I don't want to follow the news closely [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► following the news closely does not [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► produce happiness or productivity that [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► was reading your papers John the things [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► you ready sure wasn't some of these [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► things predate twitter but they were [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► telling me stuff about the news that I [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► had [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► reflect and realize that it applies now [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► the the the the the magnetism of [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► constant news updates seems to be [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► inescapable for for anything you know [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► remember like oh there was such promise [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► on the internet got it had such promise [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► yeah it's gonna be analysis and there is [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► you know that's still twitter is better [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► because you get a you get a hundred [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► voices and you can put together an [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► analysis that but but still the cult is [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► chase the news change the updates and I [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► didn't it just it's just not good for [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► it's not good for person it's not good [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► for one I can't tell how serious your [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► being so I'm gonna act like you're being [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► a little bit serious i I'm i used to [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► have a habit [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► this is a terrific example of life hacks [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► gone awry one of things that I would do [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► probably starting in the early two [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► thousands whenever whatever the point [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► was that you could have tabs i had a tab [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► set where with one like command-click it [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► would open like six different news sites [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► in a window and then I just you know [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► scroll through each one and look at all [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► of them but it's so strange how that one [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► all it took to create six tabs of [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► information was me hitting the little [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► you know spot key and clicking and I [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► could have 35 minutes of sadness and [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► your resolution in my life but they [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► would only be slaked by going back a few [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► minutes later and doing exactly the same [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► thing again [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► yeah not unlike my email inbox but [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► that's a different show I feel like if [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► if all the news I God was delivered once [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► a month in a brown package wrapped with [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► white string along with some other [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► staples like eggs and milk some eggs and [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► milk some lard got a lot sir it's the [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► eggs milk large salt grass here at the [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► office of doing that is resolution [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► rebrand as staples staples within you [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► absolutely the basic shit you need once [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► a month [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► look that should just staple should just [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► start calling themselves staples and [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► actually sell staples [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► not in there and say what's up with the [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► news and it's actually not that much new [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► just get back to work you know what they [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► can do they could wrap the lard and [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► sugar and bacon and coffee in the new [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► you read the rapper yet as you can [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► she'll get there you open up your beer [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► put your stuff in your in your like that [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► dugout cooler underneath your cabin and [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► then you're like a look at this [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► holy cow the Japanese bombed Pearl [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► Harbor and that is about as current as [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► you you need to be you know every two [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► weeks every month if you just gotta [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► round up of the news and you'd be like [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► oh alright well it seems like everything [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► is just about the same i mean anything [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► and is there any news out of gaza in the [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► last three months [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► that couldn't have come out of gaza in [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► 1972 like yeah i could just be reading I [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► could be reading the newspapers from the [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► Nixon administration's you want to keep [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► your anger fresh [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► I so don't know what I want my anger to [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► be so stale I wanted to be the stainless [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► thing in my cupboard [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► oh man had its ups talking at all the [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► time and not only am I stoking the anger [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► but I'm stoking like this [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► I'm you know I'm smoking like confusing [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► emotions in me right where where it's [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► like oh there's so many opinions [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► it's not healthy to see that many [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► opinions i guess is what it is you know [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► we we like to think oh the more opinions [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► you get the more you know the more [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► well-rounded your eventual take on [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► things will be but in fact like the more [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► polemical opinions you read the more it [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► feels like well all opinions are equally [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► dumb [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► all opinions are equally unfounded and [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► maybe on partly also they're ultimately [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► somewhat recently updated it's not it's [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► not opinion of five years [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► alright it's an opinion on this one or [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► two degree change in something hopeless [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► not hopeless but it's something that's [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► really awful that i can personally do [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► very much about today but me getting [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► that you know it also has the [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► self-selecting bias of making more and [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► more even I think unconsciously seek out [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► the little sub tunnel that goes to the [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► stuff that you agree with [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► what makes you feel angry in the way [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► that makes you happy well under this is [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► the thing I mean how do you feel about [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► killing babies what the ones that [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► deserve it or the the wetlands see that [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► he go that's what you've just opened up [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► a can of worms that I I thought I set [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► their own purpose [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► yeah that and I and I had a mechanical [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► arm said Merlin do not open and you [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► opened it immediately I did you know [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► what I can't even read the label which [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► babies [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► ah i mean good babies back babies but [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► that but they put the whole but the [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► concept of killing babies is such like a [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► universal galvanizing flaming sword and [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► it fits into a tweet so well killing [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► babies bad send and you know I look out [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► the window and look out the window and I [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► scan across the city and I think about [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► all the dead babies through history so [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► many dead babies really like you know [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► pallets of God and you go [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► is that really the thing that I want to [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► that I that i'm going to like permanent [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► have motivate me and it in a day like to [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► prevent it to think about it at all and [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► i'm not just about to say that to avoid [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► thinking about is good but just like [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► yeah I think I'm gonna get you off dead [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► babies four seconds thank you [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► I I remember feeling this feeling when i [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► had been away and on my own and fancy [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► for a while and then you go spend some [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► time with your relatives with you and [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► friends we know and you get to you go [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► and you read read books and you look at [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► Harpers and stuff and think you got it [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► going on I just right you know it always [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► whenever I would go back home and I [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► don't mean to make people sound [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► provincial and I'm fancy but it always [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► really struck me how much and this is [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► this is so not part of my universe but i [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► think it's a lot of people's universe [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► like watching the local news at night [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► it's something like all old people did [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► when I was a kid it was something my [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► family did you always watch the local [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► news and you watch the national news [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► here and now today like I kind of can't [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► even fathom having been out of that [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► particular palette of babies for a while [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► going back to it and just seeing like [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► how how awful on every level the [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► reporting is not only awful in terms of [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► the subject matter but also how its [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► presented [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► and how narrowly is presented and [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► basically if you got your impression [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► about life from watching your own local [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► news you would understand that there's a [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► fifty percent chance of rain societies [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► falling apart [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► yeah every night all you get is this new [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► thing about like the you get a really [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► cloud idea of how often given thing [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► happens and yeah if you could keep [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► seeing the same mugshot of black guy [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► supposedly stab somebody or whatever and [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► over and over i got a young person in a [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► in a in a park standing in a dark [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► parking lot with a microphone telling [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► you about an apartment fire [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► we're like for grandmothers and a cat [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► died and it's like that is not essential [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► information it it just Stokes a thing in [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► me it is it is meant to stoke thing in [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► us that that you know that where we feel [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► on the verge of catastrophe at all times [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► yes I do not want to know about the [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► latest apartment fire [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► I just don't need to and and as an [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► empathetic person I need to I need to [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► make sure that the empathy is just [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► channeled in the right direction [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► you know what I mean like that is just [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► what that is doing is its its opening [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► the spigot are on my on my empathy maple [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► man is letting the empathy syrup drip [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► drip drip drip drip onto the forest [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► floor and we're not nothing [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► I'm not collecting it in a bucket and [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► I'm not making and I'm not putting it [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► over delicious pancakes just ripping my [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► empathy syrup on the forest floor it's [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► not it's not what I want [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► anyway so I am worried very worried but [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► i'm worried that all of the all of the [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► self-help manuals that I have digested [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► in the last weekend point to the [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► inescapable conclusion that maybe the [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► best thing the best practices are two [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► for someone like me at it it's to log [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► off over and if I were someone who was [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► not given to [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► abuse of substances maybe I could be [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► someone who did not abuse the internet [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► substance [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► oh yeah but I am a substance abuser and [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► the internet is another thing that I [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► can't you know because I've been lately [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► I've been asking myself the question I'm [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► sitting there I'm staring at my phone [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► the world is going by my you know my [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► child is growing up but the water is [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► boiling over on the stove and i'm [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► staring at my phone and there's a voice [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► in my head that's conscious of it and is [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► saying look at you look at you you're [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► sitting here staring at your phone you [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► know things are going awry and the other [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► the other voice the recording voice says [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► well what would you have me do not look [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► at my phone [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► that seems irresponsible and right and [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► and I don't have an answer for like if [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► you are if if I'm living in this in this [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► world where I am a where I'm a part of [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► social media where I where I perceive [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► that that's important to my career or [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► important to mine self-expression or my [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► sense of involvement belonging then yeah [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► what would you have me do not look at my [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► phone and I kit that's impossible [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► and so I had to go i had to go step back [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► and say like well what has Facebook done [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► for me lately and that I didn't have an [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► answer Marilyn uh-huh [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► what is facebook done for you lately you [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► don't even go on there [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► i deactivated my account years ago and [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► so what so what do you think you tell me [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► when you think would happen to me if I [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► stopped going on Twitter just stopped [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► I mean it'sit's as we record this it's a [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► monday i know you've had a lot of [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► knowledge to match your last night you [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► really are you really up for this all [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► weekend long been reading reading [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► reading and my brain is open [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► yeah I synapses are open I want some of [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► that patented hotdogs lady's computer [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► thinkI yes yes for Kennedy culture think [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► you wisdom that's that's what I do [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► I know I'm relish these talks uh well I [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► got a couple of thoughts you know you [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► know the only taught used to work at a [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► newsstand [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► I heard interesting interview you worked [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► there for three years did you say maybe [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► longer it was the longest my newsstand [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► job is the longest job I ever had but [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► you know back in those days or even [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► today you pick up a copy of The [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► Economist I used to subscribe to The [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► Economist now I'm not here now I [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► understand even mentioning the name of a [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► magazine we're going to get into bios or [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► whatever but you know whatever people [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► you know preach or advise at me about [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► the importance of staying informed via [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► you know forcing a fire hose into your [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► mouth for 18 hours a day [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► I'm always tempted to say you know what [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► one in the past 12 when I felt like I [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► wanted to stay informed [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► I one of the best things i think a [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► person can do this is not necessarily [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► for you but this help me is to do [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► exactly what you're saying which is to [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► spend less time seeking out new sources [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► that are basically about what's changed [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► in the last 12 hours the arm and i don't [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► know i think he is really old guy [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► thinking I guess but gets find a source [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► that you like one reason i like the [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► economist is that you can go through and [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► you can read we've probably talked about [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► this you do and read those first [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► whatever half dozen pages which has like [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► a paragraph or two about what's [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► happening all over the world and you [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► should i think what you might want to do [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► person environment the economist is very [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► Tory but they're very Pro capital but [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► with that said it's I mean you know the [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► thing is you could also pick out which [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► of like they do read five different [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► encyclopedias well no you read an [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► encyclopedia enough to know what to look [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► at next [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► so whatever one's given sources the [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► reason i like that though is it is a way [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► of going in and saying wow I didn't know [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► the name of this country in africa and [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► they're having a problem down there [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► that's something i didn't hear about [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► with the firehose I had jammed in my [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► mouth [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► well right that's and that and and and [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► the economist is great for that because [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► they treat like they do talk about the [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► world but the reason I think it's [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► quickly the only reason i mention that [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► though is that I and I'll take out my [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► Long Knives the people who are ok with [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► unintentionally or unconsciously [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► spending three to six hours a day [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► consuming what's changed in news and [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► last few minutes or hours i wonder if [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► they could find the time to sit down [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► once a week and read all the way through [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► even just that digest the information [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► because that that's the real test if you [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► really care that much about what's going [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► on in the world why don't you sit down [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► like a gentleman and find out what's [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► actually going on in the world [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► yeah um and and that's not the only [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► thing to do but i think that's a good [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► place to start because now if you go and [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► follow all of that stuff that's what [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► that's what smart people do is they look [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► at different sources but they also try [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► to get at least a gloss on what's [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► happening all over the place [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► yeah that's what smart people did you [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► look at a you know look at that even a [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► Clemenza Clemenza a new Hitler was a [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► problem years before anybody else did [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► you know what Clemenza had you know club [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► listen if you're going to need to make [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► sauce who for a bunch of guys we're [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► going to do you get a little meatball [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► yeah you know some Tomatoes you know [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► what stick [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► no one's paying attention yeah i don't [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► know i mean i struggle with because I [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► got back and forth with you know in my [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► location and my personal stuff is [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► starting with what you're saying there's [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► a school of thought it's all about [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► unplugging the router which I think can [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► be useful if you've got a deadline and [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► you just need to make words on a page [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► that Grady a good short-term thing and [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► in some ways it's a little similar to [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► cold turkey with the substance but in [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► the end I think it's about sort of read [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► read digging the road you know I almost [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► think about wagons of wagon wheels ruts [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► in the road and how hard it is to get [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► out of any kind of habit like that I [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► think you kind of have to learn to be [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► mindful on your own that you're doing [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► that you know my my problem is more just [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► more than just the regular consumption [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► of news you know that this is this is a [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► problem we've talked about before it's a [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► problem that's you know kind of been it [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► was true even in in the daily newspaper [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► days if you got the daily newspaper you [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► would be reading the same period that [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► leave watching evening news like we've [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► said but what's happening what's [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► different about the internet is that [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► there is this semiotic discussion [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► happening simultaneously [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► yeah you know and so you're you're it's [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► not just that you're reading the Daily [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► News it's that you're reading the Daily [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► News and then every single editorial [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► call [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► come in the country including the [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► including a UH a wide number of [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► editorial columns from like a the nation [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► of islam and editorial columns from the [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► Socialist Workers paper and editorial [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► columns from like five or six written by [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► high school students and you know what I [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► mean like like I i'm having semiotic [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► overload i do not want any more analysis [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► I'm not getting anything out of it I [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► don't feel like the the ball is being [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► advanced culturally by every single [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► person having their anger there every [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► single person expressing their doubts [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► and confusion in the form of a really [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► know what they imagine is the real [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► solution right an announcement and I [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► write their dead here are my doubts [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► couched in a in a in the in the form of [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► a program is anything like a monograph [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► for me out right and so that seems to be [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► the thing I cannot avoid I i turn on i [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► mean i follow a really wide swath of [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► people and thinkers I try to have a [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► really wide ranging sort of balanced [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► group of people that i'm following and [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► so what that produces is a twitter feed [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► that's like the the Israelis are them [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► are the most evil people who ever lived [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► on the word on the face of the earth [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► there just like Hitler so you're like [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► the worst most argumentative party ever [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► yeah and then absolutely the next tweet [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► is like the Palestinians are using [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► children as shields and then the next [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► one is like did you ever notice about [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► did you ever notice that the Ukrainian [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► government is you know is infiltrated by [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► russian spies and then the next as [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► literally the next week is just like [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► Russia has a right to maintain the [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► integrity of our own borders and and [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► it's just like i'm i'm i'm reading all [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► of the propaganda from every sect [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► there's no it ends up almost being like [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► you're almost find yourself getting your [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► information from amateur press releases [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► and and then and then and every 15th one [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► will be a professional press release [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► that just seems to be like us [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► sit in comparison like incredibly [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► mealy-mouthed than and non-committal and [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► it's just like oh my god I I don't want [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► to be I do not want to be in the [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► parliament of of the moment you know [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► yeah I will I want to be in I want to [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► read the historical record I find that [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► interesting and I want to sit in the [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► Algonquin Hotel with a bunch of smart [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► people and listen to their like [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► witticisms about things but I'm what I'm [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► listening to is the Minister of [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► Information of 1,000,000 sex most of [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► them are a sect of one or a sect of four [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► or sect of 40 and a and I feel like and [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► then on and then over on facebook of [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► course it's it's um it's all of the [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► ministers of information for a thousand [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► different families i don't care about [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► you know and so anyway I guess it's the [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► two different baby problems you got [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► pallets of babies on Twitter and then [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► you got literally thousands of photos of [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► fresh babies present raises fresh happy [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► babies either kind of the the linchpin [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► hear ya babies babies which are being [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► you know like you are you're being shown [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► that they are being swaddled in [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► privilege which you already know they're [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► going to have to really confront later [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► like I look over on facebook and it's [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► like look at all these baby swaddled in [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► privilege and then I go over to Twitter [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► and they're like all these baby swans [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► and a privilege and it's like hey I [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► don't want to be a part of that [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► conversation is not interesting to me [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► anymore and I thought it was that's [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► what's great and what can you add to [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► that you know anyone and what can you [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► derive from it you know and then this is [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► this is why i feel like i need to lock [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► off because I sit down and I try and [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► write my own thing and I go this is just [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► and I'm just another person i'm just [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► another person I don't want to be [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► another person i have never been another [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► person that's not good i I'm this person [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► I am dog person not a person [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► it happens mainly on your phone right it [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► happens mainly on my phone and one of [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► the great things i was i moved my eye [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► desktop from my house to my office so at [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► three o'clock in the morning i am no [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► longer sitting at my desk in my home [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► reading about firing pins or something [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► right there yeah exactly following you [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► know like I I it's not as fun to sit on [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► your phone and like read the biography [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► of Wellington and so that you know [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► moving my my computer down in my office [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► has been a has been very healthy and it [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► might be a thing where i go back to you [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► know what I originally was on Twitter I [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► only did it from my desktop computer [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► I didn't have because I didn't have a [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► smartphone i just had a flip phone and [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► you know it might be one of those stuff [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► but you know what that feels like that [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► feels like I only drink brown liquor or [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► I only drink beer on wednesdays are you [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► know it feels like I know I know [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► yeah no I get that no reason i say it is [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► a i mean i think one first line of [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► defense if you haven't already is to [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► turn off as many notifications [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► I don't have any notification alright [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► well I i find out every day how many [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► people have notifications for things [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► like at responses that kind of blows me [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► away [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► yeah those people either and you know [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► they had you know that you know who they [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► are because they replied you instantly [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► know yet another thing you can do this [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► is a very low level room high-level [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► silly my fact which is that you can the [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► apps that you find yourself most [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► attracted to you might want to move that [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► way off the front page [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► it's not that much harder to get to but [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► if there's something that's what lawyers [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► call an attractive nuisance I i find [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► even something as simple as for me [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► definitely taking out of the dock and a [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► little shelf at the bottom and further [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► to that taking it off of the homepage [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► further to that take it to a faraway [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► page and putting it all in a little [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► folder I can still just as easily search [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► for it but it's still more work than [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► turning on my phone and hitting that [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► button which is I maybe you're not like [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► this but for me I'm like a little monkey [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► when I when I hit that scene at home [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► screen it's i am like a little what like [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► almost like a logo on our band that you [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► can see my little cylinders flipping [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► around trying to figure which one of [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► these distractions I should click on [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► first I very rarely click on the thing [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► let me write something [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► i'm more likely going to hit something [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► like email or tweet pot or Twitter you [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► know in my case like that that can help [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► um here's what I here's what I click on [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► my phone ok but and this is you know and [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► I'm I've always been embarrassed about [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► this I'm kind of embarrassed to share it [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► but I go to turn on my phone I look at [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► my email and generally i have a feeling [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► of dread this has the emails loading and [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► then I go to Twitter and I generally [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► have a kind of a mild feeling of dread [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► as x @ replies load like which person is [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► going to yell at me for something that i [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► wrote uh two weeks ago right and then [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► that feeling of dread goes away when i [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► read a bunch of like the replies that [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► are trying to enlist me in some kind of [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► hijinks you know but it's that it's that [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► it's that like oh god don't let this be [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► bad and then it's like oh this is bad [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► this was full of praise and this is [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► great i have that like up and down and [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► then I go over and I i click on facebook [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► and almost half the time that the [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► interface the app is slow to load or the [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► facebook at some you know Facebook right [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► now anytime to unconsciously hold your [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► breath [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► yeah and and right now they want me to [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► download their messenger a pirate and [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► refused to do it so i have like I have [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► this backlog of messages that people [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► have sent me in facebook that i cannot [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► read oh my god because facebook what [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► insists that I download their thing I [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► can't read it and so I haven't read them [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► and maybe some of those people are like [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► time-sensitive help but you have crabs [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► so sorry shouldn't have tried to contact [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► me on facebook and then I then the [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► fourth thing I do on my phone as I go [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► play solitaire I'll and that's why I I [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► don't spoil the image on my suggestion [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► is he more video games [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► I don't see that's the thing i don't [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► have enough video games and I don't I [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► serious you need to get yourself i'm [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► gonna suggest a game called threes that [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► means you would really like lives is [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► that does that is that like is it titled [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► by its by like age appropriateness yes [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► now configure breeds that thing is I'm [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► just telling you whenever I find myself [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► this is this [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► you know and antithetical to lots of [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► things but when i find myself going to [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► her and I go to read this dumb news [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► article I don't want to read and then it [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► loads slowly and then there's a pop-up [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► that I have to dismiss and then there's [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► a slideshow to find out you know 17 [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► important celebrity boobs and like now [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► what am i doing i close and open up [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► threes and this little song goes [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► done done done and then Anna but I'm [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► bump and move little cards little tiles [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► around and I find it incredibly [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► centering and I might be there in 20 [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► minutes [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► so can and it's a better it's a better [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► thing it's a waste of time but it is a [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► solitary a political non-emotional waste [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► of time [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► C&I you know and I i play this fucking [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► solitaire game I used to play a mahjongg [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► and for that I think that played [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► mahjongg like around the first idea [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► about how to play mahjong i would get [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► along so much better in my neighborhood [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► if I knew that [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► oh yeah I loved by I had to take [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► mahjongg off my phone because I did it [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► exclusive of almost everything else and [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► before that of course it was Tetris I am [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► um and I find that if you know I'm i [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► know i'm not alone and all right of [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► course we've talked about before tetris [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► it was minesweeper but if you could get [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► paid to play minesweeper I would be the [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► richest man in the world over because [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► it's all i want to do really but I i [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► think i think the the revelation without [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► question when i first started really [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► participating on the internet because [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► you remember when wet when i was at the [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► height of my music career I was actively [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► discouraged by a lot of people from even [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► going on the internet to comment on [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► things or participate because it is [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► initially the idea was you're a rockstar [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► keep that mr. mythology keep the mystery [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► about yourself you don't wanna be too [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► accessible you don't want your fans to [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► feel like you're just a regular person i [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► mean i got this council from all kinds [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► of people [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► we wanted when I met you you had a very [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► strongly held opinion on that [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► yeah right well because I you know I [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► thought about it a lot and I was like [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► listen I don't want to just be on there [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► just like a regular because you would [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► diminish and this goes straight back [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► again to this interview have my friend [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► and protector the other day when you [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► were talking about your impression you [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► said this numerous times your impression [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► of being of arriving in rock and up [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► through the late nineties was I think [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► you can get a private jet with the so [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► symbol on it [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► yeah yeah and then and you know that is [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► not the kind of people who respond you [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► know you don't sit on your jet [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► responding to comments like Robert Plant [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► never wrote a letter back to a kid they [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► just slap in the face with his dick [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► yeah you just say to send like so he'd [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► send you a fish in the mail like you [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► know that is the jet not only had soso [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► written on the side that had a sunken [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► living room in it and the carpeting John [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► Sheppard so at a certain point [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► yeah you know at in 2007 or whatever I [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► abandoned that and I went into the [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► internet i remember when i first joined [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► twitter I tiptoed in and I was doing I [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► was sending tweets out that were that [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► were intentionally kind of like just a [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► different side of myself kind of like [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► funny little surreal little tweets that [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► I never ever referred to even music let [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► alone my own music [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► I was just talking about the mundane [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► stuff around my house and I really [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► enjoyed it i really enjoyed the response [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► in a different world i mean you are you [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► coming to 2008-2009 2007-2008 yeah and [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► it was a different it was a different [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► time but but I don't want to be all the [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► sentimental about it but then there was [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► a then there was a very definite time in [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► the sort of middle part where I [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► absolutely felt like being a participant [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► in the internet was furthering my it was [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► advancing my personal brand [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► it was advancing my career in a way that [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► people knew me now differently the it I [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► wasn't reliant on that small handful of [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► music magazines that were writing about [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► me I wasn't reliant on them to get my [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► message out or I didn't have to i didn't [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► have to hide [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► I wasn't creating mystery about myself [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► because I was in I I didn't need to [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► create it because I was intrinsically [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► mysterious enough to be interesting and [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► end and so people started asking me to [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► do things i started to get work i was [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► able to maintain a career even in the [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► absence of releasing new records you [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► know it for the internet felt like a [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► great and and I was having arguments [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► with people in rock-and-roll who were [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► some of the mad that i was wasting time [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► on the internet some of them jealous [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► that I was able can watch you not doing [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► what they were expecting you to do [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► yeah and there were a lot of you know a [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► lot of my fellow musicians were like [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► envious of the kind of other life i was [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► able to have on the internet because [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► they would go on Twitter or whatever and [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► they didn't know what to say and they [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► were grateful for the fact that their [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► message had been masked that they were [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► they were grateful that they only had to [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► give five interviews a year they didn't [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► want to [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► they felt like going on the internet was [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► like giving an interview every day and [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► that was their worst nightmare also is [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► not only distraction but it was so I'm [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► looking for watering down their [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► messaging well yeah and also it was [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► revealing about them something that they [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► feared which was that their music was [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► the most interesting thing about them [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► and the music was the message and if you [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► took away that then they just that they [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► didn't have anything to say they didn't [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► have an interesting viewpoint right it [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► was the the music was there interesting [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► viewpoint [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► and so there was a lot you know there [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► was there were and I still meet people [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► all the time that are like well you you [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► can do that because you seem to have [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► things to say but like I don't I I i [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► fail at it and that those are all those [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► Twitter accounts for bands that are just [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► like your upcoming shows ever [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► yeah but at a certain point I it's [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► inescapable to me that the that the [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► world has changed and i have changed and [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► now I do not feel any more like i am i'm [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► certainly not unique among entertainers [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► who have found a separate voice on the [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► internet that's very common and the [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► group think and the reciprocal echo [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► chamber e nature of all of the places [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► that exists right now i'm not i don't [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► feel not only do I not feel special [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► there but i don't feel like i'm getting [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► anything out of it and maybe I need to [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► maybe I need to go live on a mountain [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► top [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► yeah i mean you know i would still talk [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► to you from mountaintop thank you i [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► would talk to you on my shortwave radio [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► but you know mountaintop maybe what do [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► you think back to the mountaintop [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► because i don't want to know what I [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► think when i wrote pretend to fall [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► prefer i was living in an apartment [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► oh yes when you're in new york city new [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► york city i was living in an apartment a [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► hundred 18th Lexington the first long [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► winters record had not come out yet and [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► i was convinced that I was like at 32 [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► years old was like completely over the [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► hill my whatever relevance i had was [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► going to be a kind of quaint relevance [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► and i was living in this apartment in [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► neighborhood where nobody would have [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► recognized me as anything other than [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► that guy that vaguely looks like a cop [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► who comes in every day and gets to don't [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► neatly in Harlem [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► yeah i donated elections in Spanish [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► Harlem [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► so so a lot of the people you know the [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► the people at the copy shop at the [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► corner where I got my coffee and donut [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► every morning didn't speak English at [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► all and in that in that place of total [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► anonymity [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► I did not feel alone i did not feel [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► disconnected i went home every day and [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► and wrote I wrote all the songs for that [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► next album and i have not really had [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► that feeling of love you know complete [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► sort of um the the freedom of no [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► expectations i haven't had that feeling [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► since then because it because the moment [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► that you know the moment that next [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► record came out then I heard them are my [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► first record came out then I imagine [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► that there were people who had [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► expectations of me and then there were [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► people there were people who did but I [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► gave that you know I give those people [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► way more weight than they deserve [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► and ever since then I've been writing [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► you know I've been writing for an [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► audience I guess as opposed to just [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► writing for me now I that's a really I [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► think that's pretty and participation is [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► because I I've always felt like I hear [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► you because like when i was writing and [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► writing something everyday and putting [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► it up online i developed one good one I [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► think very good habit which was I knew [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► that was my job to put some words [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► together and make it go somewhere and [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► that's a good habit that's good habit [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► but when i accidentally picked up [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► several less good habits and the less [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► good habits have been much more durable [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► for me unless good habits are after i [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► posted that series of words regardless [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► of how well edited and thought through [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► it was I would immediately go and see [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► how well it was doing haha so and when I [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► got google analytics on my site boy that [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► was a real oh you could see in you can [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► see every aspect [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► yeah and I mean this i'm not trying to [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► beat myself up here but i think that I'm [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► probably not the first person in the [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► world who would spend 10 minutes writing [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► something and then x 3 minutes looking [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► at how well it was [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► like now for you that's that we talked [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► about we talked about this in our early [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► interviews you know when your record [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► comes out that first week you really [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► want to ride on the scout soundscan [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► staff to see how things are going [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► that's one week out of two or three [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► years right you may still not getting [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► this night i'm not trying to [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► oversimplify it but the trouble is like [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► it does it doesn't take very much [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► it really doesn't take very much in [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► terms of hits on your own ego or feeling [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► of ability self-esteem adjustability it [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► doesn't take very much to go pretty [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► quickly to like I can't wait to go see [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► how this thing did way more than I'm [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► going to be okay with it not nobody even [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► knowing what i'm doing for a month and [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► you can't even imagine that today nobody [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► even knowing that you're working on [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► something that feels unheard of [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► that's what I'm trying to picture i'm [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► sitting here trying to let myself make [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► John deck or something [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► sounds like some sort of some kind of [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► crazed you know person out in the woods [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► yeah his know who sitting there with [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► this toy piano and is real quick yeah [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► well what would happen to me [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► psychologically if no one gave me any [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► praise for a month [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► that wasn't standing right in front of [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► me oh my god [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► oh that's a thought technology you know [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► and what would happen if you're up for [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► the next month i worked on something and [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► saw things with my own eyes and shared [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► them with I don't know one so not only [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► would you not create stuff with the idea [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► that you congratulated on it like not [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► only would you not happen upon those [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► things you go out of your way to not [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► even notice what somebody thought about [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► you from what if I saw a duck carrying a [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► a ok like carrying a banana [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► I would not take a picture of it no [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► photo i would not talk about it i would [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► not come up with a third funny thing to [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► say about a duck carrying a banana and [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► it's got good [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► hey let me get a job they wanted and I [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► you know I would just see it then i [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► would go huh [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► just like I used to and it's another [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► fucking deck with a minute that's it is [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► how many by a dollar and then i would [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► get on with my fucking light that's so [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► funny to know why [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► I don't know and you know and the thing [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► is right now if I saw a duck with a [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► banana out the window and I didn't get a [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► picture of it I would be like oh fuck [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► rightful my whole week is ruined that [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► was like ah ha i have all right there [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► yeah it was me i had the phone pointed [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► at it and then my fucking iphone shut [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► down because it only had twenty nine [TS]

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00:53:09 ◼   ► on the line we could not do it without [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► like respect always supposed to live how [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► do we supposed to live I am I went to I [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► went to my daughter is a halloween day [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► at her school and I village officials [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► crossing share this great captain [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► america costume all her friends looked [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► adorable and ice I took lots of videos [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► lots of videos lots of videos and I [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► didn't realize until I taken like three [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► or four these really good like three [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► minute videos that i was doing this [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► thing that I always do which is I didn't [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► realize that i hadn't turned the video [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► hadn't started shooting and then i would [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► get pics pictures the whole time [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► no not even that no it's like I like [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► imagine me holding it up to the all [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► these adorable five [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► your old dressed up in costumes so I hit [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► the button i'm shooting for three [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► minutes and then I hit the button to [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► stop only realizing in that exact you [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► talk about this is some fucking [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► jean-paul Sartre shit [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► the second you hit that button it goes [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► up and starts recording and you realize [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► that you weren't recording for three [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► minutes and that's such a feeling like [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► that and that's a pretty good hard one [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► like i really wish i had more videos of [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► my daughter and her friends but it's [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► like man there goes there goes a fucking [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► talk with a banana and i'm sitting here [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► with my phone in my hand pointed at it [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► it was right there and I just didn't put [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► my thumb on the setup right I got the [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► Sun behind me I know what I'm doing her [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► a semi-professional I know what I'm [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► doing PS god dammit so so this house I [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► got something a project you're thinking [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► about well you know i just i have to say [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► that that the reason this intruded upon [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► me so so profoundly was that I you know [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► I have always had for the last 15 years [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► let's say the last two now let's say [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► last yeah let's say well let's let's [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► limited to 10 years for the last ten [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► years I have had five outstanding [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► projects all of which you know sometimes [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► the sometimes a project gets completed [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► right in that time I made three [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► full-length record albums and a an EP [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► and in that time I have produced some [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► number of podcast with you and I've [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► written some newspaper articles but uh [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► for that entire 10 years i have i have [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► had on the wall post it note that says [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► graduate from college [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► what an asshole and I look at that [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► posted i look at the edges are curled [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► it's all yellow the ink is faded it's in [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► fancy script [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► yeah but it says graduate from college [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► and I look at it and I go it would be [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► very easy for me to graduate from [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► college I have all the credits necessary [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► i just need to fill out the forms hand [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► in you know one paper on Karl Marx that [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► I copy out of Wikipedia [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► and submit you know my-my ungainly [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► thesis to them which is written but [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► which I which i withhold from them [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► because I don't feel that they have [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► earned it and so I look at that and I go [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► well I yeah I should absolutely you know [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► what there's a new quarter coming up I [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► should absolutely go down there this [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► quarter and I should figure out how to [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► graduate from college and I have gone [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► down to the University at the start of [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► the quarter eight times in the last 15 [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► years and said to the said to my friends [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► down there hey I really want to graduate [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► from college this quarter and they say [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► oh well you gotta hand in that paper for [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► about marks and I go got-dammit and I go [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► home in it and I do nothing and and uh [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► in that time the people at the [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► University have changed right [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► the Maya my original advisor passed away [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► than the chairman of the department [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► handled me for a long time and then he [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► retired and then the guys that had been [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► ph sees when i started now we're running [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► the department and then now they are [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► retiring the next generation of [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► professors are starting to retire and [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► i'm still going down there with the same [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► problem so there's that there's my you [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► know my book uh my book about my walk [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► there is the the long winters album the [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► 4th 4th full-length long winters album [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► which is completely recorded except for [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► vocals and has been for four years and [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► and then there are the you know the [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► various like other projects that are and [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► that i could sit and described to you [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► but that are fully formed in my mind [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► just have never liked no boots on the [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► ground right yeah [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► and now you know there's this new [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► concept of like why don't have a [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► television show someone somehow [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► everybody at people i meet in an airport [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► and talk to 45 minutes or like why don't [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► you have a television show ever given [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► away for a while and I'm like fuck why [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► don't have a television show anyway but [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► on a post-it note C right next to [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► graduate from college so I so I I and [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► the things i did not have a post-it note [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► that said have a kid but I went ahead [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► and did that I got that done and I so [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► I'm thinking about like what [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► so what is the what is keeping me from [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► finishing these things and honestly [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► right now it's insecurity more than [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► anything [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► look I know it you know i look at the [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► thing and I'm like oh god oh god I'd if [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► I finish that and it's bad that man [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► right there with you [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► yeah and so why do I want where's this [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► insecurity comment coming from and I [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► just I feel like like the inn at the [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► very least the internet is not helping [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► you through the internet is not helping [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► me feel less insecure and I'm not you [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► know insecurity that's not my bugbear [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► you know I'm a I'm a UH I was I'm [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► important to her [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► I meant to be here for your legacy [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► I'm a legacy my dad was important [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► totally important he was very important [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► man i'm here to fulfill his dreams he [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► let me know that multiple times when I [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► was a kid has as the years went by how [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► disappointed he realizes that wasn't [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► working out like a while you know I mean [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► see and that's that that's number five [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► on my list be a u.s. senator which is [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► you know i have not abandoned that idea [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► yeah being a u.s. senator is still it's [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► still very real to me [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► yeah but I mean there's so many parts of [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► all those things as big as the project [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► is or as small as the project is [TS]

00:59:49 ◼   ► promising as it is as overdue or you [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► know incomplete as it is there's still [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► some part of every one of those that can [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► feel like the beginning [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► feel like the beginning [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► handle that helps you grab that thing [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► you can feel just slightly out of reach [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► and the fact that it's just slightly out [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► of reach ends up being much more [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► damaging than the fact that it's [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► completely out of reach [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► we're completely out of reach you say [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► with black which i'm not going to do [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► that right [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► I'm not become a jockey I'm too tall to [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► be a jockey handle on that it can have [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► my pilot [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► yeah I won't fit in the plane yeah well [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► yeah but these things are your right [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► there is some of them seem tantalizingly [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► close but just far enough away i think [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► you gotta look at video games you're [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► saying that video games are going to be [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► but they are the there the talcum it's [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► not a panacea unless you end up writing [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► an iOS app called panacea but guide to [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► essential link in the robot you can go [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► look at 3i think you should download it [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► today and remove those off your page and [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► you know maybe yeah yeah I don't know [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► maybe because posted notes are helping [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► but you feel like it will be an [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► indictment if you took down the post it [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► well what am i getting up so this is the [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► so let me let me just the college thing [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► for instance i feel like i have gotten a [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► lot of satisfaction and never having [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► graduated from college I feel I feel [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► that there are lots and lots of cocktail [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► parties where everyone is comparing [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► their smart college that they that they [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► graduated from and then it comes to me [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► and i get i am the only one that the [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► only one in the room that hasn't [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► graduated from college and that that is [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► a that's a little reverse snobbery a [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► little point of pride but do I want to [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► go to my grave not having graduated from [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► college or do I want to graduate from [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► college just to just so that my father [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► and my uncle and his uncle before him [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► can all rest in their graves and say you [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► know like it's the it is anymore [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► the middle class it's it's it's some [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► kind of like lay that you get when you [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► get off the airplane in Honolulu of the [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► middle and substantial Hawaii right and [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► you just should have it writer you [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► should and especially having done all [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► the work that people ask questions you [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► know they're so like move [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► wonder why it's getting kind of odd he [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► seems like he should be one of us [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► yeah and so if i am going to do it if if [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► if I'm not gonna take that post-it note [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► down if I intend to do it then why not [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► now [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► like why would I would I let another 10 [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► years go by [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► that's a question I can't answer that's [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► a question I can't even answer somebody [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► asked me the other day how do you [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► picture the narrative in your mind [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► they were saying the days that the ideas [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► that they have they see go by like a [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► ticker-tape like us like a scroll on on [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► CNN that the the thoughts [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► yeah they're thought timeline and I said [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► I see like my oh my aware mind as a kind [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► of foggy more and there are phases [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► coming out of the fog and some of them [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► are very close [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► the fog is extremely thick some of those [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► faces are close enough that I can [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► discern their features and they are [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► speaking the loudest and then their [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► faces that are a little further away and [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► they're less distinct and I can hear [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► their voices to and then there are [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► phases that are then i can just make out [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► sort of the basics of their features and [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► then their faces that are just an [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► outline just a shadow and then in the [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► distance voices I can hear where I can't [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► see the faces but I can still hear you [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► know their voices are still audible and [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► though and the faces that approximate [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► keep changing like the ones that are [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► closest to me then back away into the [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► fog and other ones come step forward and [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► it is a disc sort of like whack-a-mole [TS]