Roderick on the Line

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00:00:29 ◼   ► hello hey John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► good we should you should have been [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► listening to born slippy I'm totally [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► pumped now are you pumped that my dog [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► Marte in the manger bar in the door was [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► helping at all [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► she was a lipstick boys you want a [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► beautiful boy and deer bones that help [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► you stretched i did my usual warm-up [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► routine [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► yeah yeah was that uh which is that I [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► listen to elliott smith's waltz number [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► three on the way in [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► haha oh and was a again reduced to tears [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► wats number three I know what's number [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► two including the core all right now [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► it's no balls number two its oh my god [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► he has lots of Watts's but i keep I keep [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► I keep upgrading it to the third waltz [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► because I feel like it's really too [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► waltzes you're talking about never [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► getting now that's right huh [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► we've talked about this song many times [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► it's AI don't know why that song levels [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► me I keep plumbing its depths you know [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► my interpretation of so what happened [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► was I you know I borrowed a car from a [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► friend several years ago which I'm still [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► driving and in the car was a mixtape CB [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► that she made be many years before that [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► and I never figured out where the CD [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► changer was so I just have this one [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► mixtape in there standing there the [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► whole time it's been there the whole [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► time while about four years that I've [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► had the car and the second song on the [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► mixtape is terrible and you could the [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► first song on the mixtape is waltz [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► number two and then you could you could [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► tell that she wanted to like get you [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► know get back in a happy mood or so you [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► like the second song on the tape is like [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► and now we're gonna like pop it up for [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► the second song is I won't even mention [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► it's so terrible that i have never [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► listened to any of the rest of the [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► mixtape [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► i just i turn on get in the car i turn [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► on the stereo i listen to waltz number [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► two [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► sometimes I listen to it again and then [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► I turn the stereo back off [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► I've been doing that for years but you [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► never been curious to see what or had [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► accidentally go on you never found [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► yourself playing the rest of the tape [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► because the second song is so bad as [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► soon as the opening because sometimes [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► I'll get so lost in a reverie about [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► Walt's number two that I will I will [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► forget what's coming and then the then [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► the neck that's opening chords of the [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► next song like the cords offend me [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► before the vocals even come in and out [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► because I'm in such a state of Walt's [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► number two that that will that I hear [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► that get that next guitar and I'm just [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► like die a thousand deaths and I lunch [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► for the thing so i have no idea maybe [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► the rest of the mixtape is amazing maybe [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► there are other songs to discover and [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► plum their depths but i'll never know [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► because I also a month for up even [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► though i've had this car for years i'm [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► unfamiliar enough with the stereo that I [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► don't know how to skip to the next song [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► but so I've spent all this time inside [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► of this one song interpreting it and [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► living it and you know my sense of this [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► song is that he's writing to his step [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► father and mother [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► yeah it is what I get and it's also kind [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► of a suicide note you know the the [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► bridges here today here today expecting [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► to stay on and on and on [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► huh I'm tired tired so tired and it's [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► just like uh looking out on a substitute [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► seen oh alright but the problem is that [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► the I get in the car in the morning and [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► I head out into the world like all right [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► don't cat chat here we go check it i got [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► a lot of shit to do today and I listen [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► to this one three and a half minutes [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► long song and then i'm kinda useless [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► baby for the rest of the day [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► mhm yes because we're going to change [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► well because i feel i see i don't know [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► I don't know great the car borrowed now [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► for about four years ok alright and also [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► this is not how you listen to music [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► no no no but but but so the footer but [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► additionally the problem is that I feel [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► like as I've spent all this time with [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► this one song I feel like it is a [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► perfect work who like he has [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► accomplished in this song a kind of [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► perfection in making a thing and so it [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► also sends me out when I but when i get [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► to my eventual destination I parked the [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► car and I go what's the point of [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► anything you know [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► yeah like that's how you know it's [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► working yeah he really made a thing [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► there and that's really you know like [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► it's like it's like it's like a perfect [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► definition of weariness like you know [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► even when it starts it starts out with [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► that like the waltz easiest ones that [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► don't chat is the walks easiest waltz [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► you've ever heard and then it's like its [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► size its way into the strum chords [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► getting getting getting and every you [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► know it all comes in and then the [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► goddamn cellos at the barre and he's got [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► what what you can only presume if you [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► imagine songs are recorded if you do if [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► you imagine as I do that there at the [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► band that makes the song is all in a [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► room a lot Pet Sounds and they're [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► sitting there the whole time weight and [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► yeah there's like six jealous jealous [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► just sitting and they and they really [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► gonna want to pack in the whole [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► performance in that like it just source [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► through the whole tune they're just [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► sitting there and then wow wow oh god [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► dammit now that Taoism man i think [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► that's a pretty perfect song I really [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► are you but so that's I mean I gotta get [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► a new routine [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► I mean you know some people get up to [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► get on the stairmaster they get up and [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► they designed some apps in the morning [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► round we should do something going on a [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► workflow they get a workflow who and my [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► workflow is just like wake up getting a [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► borrowed car to listen to the most [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► depressing perfect song and then try and [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► make my way to the end of the day [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► they're gonna send me down elliott smith [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► all because I can't even tell you what [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► my favorite elliott smith song is [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► because it's one of those things where [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► it's it's almost like the Beatles [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► on which of which he was obviously a fan [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► we're like I find myself going oh no no [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► uh you know I say yes [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► oh oh no you know hi my name feta means [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► the moonlight phone [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► I mean like oh my god how did have the [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► guy do it and that yet little line at [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► that don't don't don't [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► boom it's just a little under played and [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► like it's so low-key but you know that [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► had set the tone know if you really want [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► to get up and make an appt you might [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► need something might put on maybe a midi [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► one of my least favorite [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► uh listen songs and oh i see a metal [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► that make him make you mad get up and [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► make an appt yeah i got apps to make [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► sometimes you gotta get mad at least you [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► know it was though I've heard amity like [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► in on a jukebox in a bar it would be [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► okay it's just it's such an uneven [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► number which record that's on I think [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► it's on that record and it's like it's [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► such a sore thumb on that record it's [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► that record so you know it just becomes [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► evident comes blaring out and it always [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► would throw me off and I was watching [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► probably he's probably it was [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► experiencing the same thing that the [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► gallant made this mixtape was [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► experiencing which is like well I wrote [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► the perfect I've got the perfect song on [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► here already [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► the rest of this Merton mixtape should [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► just be this song over and over [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► I can't do that the rest of this album [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► should just be this one song that is [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► that that is the perfect expression of [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► growing up in a household with the [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► detached mother and an abusive [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► stepfather right so instead I should be [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► I should make a song that like gets [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► everybody excited i used to do something [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► you know kind of peculiar which is if I [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► would record a record under a tape and I [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► had room at the end sometimes i do a [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► little mix to take up the space but [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► toward the end of the cassette area I [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► would just take whatever my favorite [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► song was and and play it on repeat on [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► the CD player to play out so I would [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► listen to like minor threats out-of-step [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► like like like 11 times in a row and we [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► just want to get sick of it i was just [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► it's just like a perfect blast of a song [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► yeah there's there there are there like [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► 20 seconds snippets of my bloody [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► valentine that I could just listen to [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► that 20 seconds on repeat for eternity [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► but I wouldn't get anything done because [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► he also just disappear into the music [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► yeah just be out there swelling around [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► here going to shout your starboard album [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► you're going to really need to get back [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► in the shed starbal star bolt stern look [TS]

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00:10:44 ◼   ► been feeling recently that all of the [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► musical stylings of the seventies have [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► like the seventies folk scene have [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► really been explored enough now I don't [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► want to hear it anymore [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► I keep turning on the radio or hearing [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► ambient music in stores and it's just [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► like it's just exploring that weird [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► little seventies thing that I seventies [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► folk thing that I feel like we're we [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► kind of had enough of even then we [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► rejected at the time and I'm just done [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► I don't want I don't want to hear [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► another acoustic guitar maybe not for [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► the rest of my life [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► uh-huh I've had that feeling that [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► something will come on it'll really [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► booing me [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► I flew out of Boston a few days ago and [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► went to get some food for got on the [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► plane because you know what kind of [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► animal eats on a plane and so I went [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► into the legal seafood bar which also [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► serves food it which is great you know [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► they got a hell of a lobster roll there [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► it's like $75 and as I walked in they [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► were playing September girls by big star [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► em and I felt so fucking old because [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► that was that song was old when I got [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► into [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► yes but somebody knows to play that over [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► some satellite station in the in the in [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► the 830am mix he at an airport but then [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► Jackie blue came on which I have her in [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► a really long time that's what good to [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► that sounds kinda weird it's got a weird [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► space to it looks like their seventies [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► cocaine songs that create this really [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► strange environment that I can't quite [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► put my finger on [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► I don't understand it either you can't [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► go back and recapture that people have [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► been trying for decades brother Louie [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► like there's these certain songs from [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► the seventies that like have such a [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► weird space and it's all it's all sound [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► it's sonically weird and like in both [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► comfortable and envelop ingrained also [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► like kind of emotionally cold but in a [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► way that feels like home huh [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► I don't understand I mean you know [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► obviously Baker Street being the [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► ultimate I'm gonna say I'm gonna toss in [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► Baker Street and it's it's a psychic [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► partner i'm going to say you're the cat [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► or or possibly time as the judges both [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► of those and I'm going to throw in one [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► of the calcaneus cocaine's of all time [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► I'm gonna throw in sentimental lady by [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► Bob Welch great tune for the same album [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► magic ok Gnaeus cocaine song of all time [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► ebony eyes give me that one [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► the video with Valerie Bertinelli you [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► know what else uhhhh a devil woman [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► oh oh yes he's just a devil woman within [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► the online [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► oh my god how did they do what you think [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► is the cocaine shit it's got its got to [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► be cocaine it's going to be cocaine and [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► tube tube amplifiers at but they were [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► like they were they were chasing i made [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► a combination of like am radio song [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► writing chops and all the time in the [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► world with the best equipment and I mean [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► but honestly if if I knew I would I [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► would be trying to approximate it and [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► everybody else would too and you know of [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► course like we haven't even said like [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► all of that Fleetwood Mac weird shit [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► and Fleetwood Mac actually took that [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► into the eighties I feel like we've [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► argued about christine mcvie before I [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► you know I i just want to have a [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► different point of view but I i enjoy i [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► enjoy her contribution to other people's [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► songs a superlight yeah but i feel like [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► the christine mcvie hits on the early [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► eighties fleetwood mac stuff is an [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► evolution of the seventies cocaine [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► coldness em but like like you know what [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► I mean like it's it's music that never [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► breaks a sweat no one in any of those [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► tunes is sweating at all huh [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► they're just like so cool [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► I don't I mean and I feel like I feel [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► like that but like maybe Cat Stevens got [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► the ball rolling a little bit on that I [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► there's something like you know it's [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► some is the pigment guy what's that [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► guy's name yeah that's all oh what's his [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► name of the Bob Bob firing by moonlight [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► Bob moon [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► I think pink 00 Bob pink yeah that [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► Volkswagen song [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► yeah books working guy yeah Nick break [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► Bob box white box objects minh it's a [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► even yeah it's fine like there is a part [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► of this must just because i was a little [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► kid knows a lonely kid and listen to [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► non-stop am radio when I wasn't watching [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► TV or reading encyclopedia brown [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► I was listening am radio like all the [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► time and snoopy of the Red Baron after [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► that there are none of the century had a [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► 45 then I'm sure he'll likely able to [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► Scott and then that probably got our [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► early interest in mia in the German war [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► efforts [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► yeah sure I mean that's how i got into [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► world war one was the ballad of snoopy [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► in the Red Baron I was like I got to [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► know more about this story tell me more [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► about the Snoopy is interesting but [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► there's all kinds of songs like that to [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► this day I have such a specific [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► recollection of like standing in a [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► certain place being like exactly a [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► certain age I know what season it was I [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► know what like month that was when that [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► came out and I don't know that some of [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► them are just really fixed in time as [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► the scrap love [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► oh yeah but all that captain and [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► Tennille stuff like I feel like my when [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► I hear captain and Tennille that was the [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► dawn of my sexual awakening [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► oh it's nothing like the proto sexual [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► awakening [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► yeah let me just knew you wanted [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► something they were seeing in there know [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► what it was I didn't I didn't I didn't [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► know what a-what lady parts looked like [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► even but I knew that to neal had was [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► expressing a thing that I wanted to you [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► know in a way that Abba was too polished [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► and there were too many people there [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► Camille and you know the captain had [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► that hat and the dark glasses you [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► weren't sure what he was doing today but [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► yeah if my name were Darryl dragon I [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► would not call myself captain haha you [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► at least call yourself captain dragon [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► no-brainer my god fucking dragon but [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► nothing on the cap just call me captain [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► yeah because I got Michael I got a hat I [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► got a cab mr. dragons my father [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► yeah yeah I don't know I don't know it's [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► at you right now I mean how do you [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► recreate that that sound in that [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► environment and you know maybe part of [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► it was there was maybe a little more [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► money around like you say that's been a [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► little more time in the studio yeah but [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► I but there's others something to gain [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► on the board and I think I think you've [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► hit it which is that there is an [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► emptiness to those tracks where you [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► listen to it and you can hear every [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► element it doesn't feel empty it feels [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► impossibly full alright but there's [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► space their space between the things [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► things come in [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► it's a little bit of a holdover from the [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► the restrictions of the four-track where [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► there still was like a lot of spookiness [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► in the room [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► yeah and then still like okay the chorus [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► or you know okay here the guitar part is [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► coming in and we're going to put this [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► guitar part on the lead vocal channel [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► because we don't want to waste the tape [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► space or something you know like there's [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► it doesn't have the excess of later [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► where it's just like well we got 24 [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► tracks so let's just have 24 instruments [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► all playing at one [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► it's there's still a little bit of that [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► like okay and then the acoustic guitar [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► comes in but then when it goes away it [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► goes away and it isn't replaced by [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► something it's just like everything does [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► a little bit of work and then goes I [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► don't know I admire it so much it is so [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► evocative I said almost on rumors the [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► never known back again and down yes I [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► mean and I'm like that's the just think [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► it's because a great creepy a lot of the [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► songs are our little creepy [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► yeah close harmonies a Lindsey [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► Buckingham is intrinsically creepy you [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► know but he and Brady spits he and [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► christine mcvie are playing on [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► sentimental lady mm you know that you [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► hear that impeccable guitar sound here [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► uh I mean that's Christine McVie because [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► you know he used to be when he was doing [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► even more cocaine i think i don't know i [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► think it's cocaine use it just went up [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► and up and up but he has to be an [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► employee with mac for I think a couple [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► years who did [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► oh I'm sorry Bob Welch oh oh icic yeah [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► he was in fleetwood mac in the interval [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► into regular he was in the the [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► transitional Fleetwood Mac he might have [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► maybe guy I used to know this by heart [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► here I think I know something is not [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► google me I'm trying to do that he [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► wasn't on the rumors but I think he [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► might have been on the rebooted [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► Fleetwood Mac record let's go look at [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► our friend wikipedia right boys a real [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► creepy guy smoking a big cigar in this [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► video's yeah yeah yeah he died what well [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► you know that happens [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► yeah a lot of a lot of people have died [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► when you put it that way you know what I [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► mean John Lennon died [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► yeah died right thoughts ice pick [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► I said head yet I boom yeah I well she [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► is 71 invited to join there's friction [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► in the band believe it or not there was [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► friction in fleetwood mac antfee where [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► it was before [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► there weren't even any girls in the [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► and already fiction maybe he didn't have [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► anyone to get on the side maybe that [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► maybe was Dylan john mcvie that's why [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► Christine got involved she was like i'm [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► joined this band now what a terrible [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► idea [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► you don't have tonight like having sex [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► with other people in your band who are [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► married to other people in your band [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► what a terrible idea [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► it's a pretty terrible idea i have been [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► in bands with gals that i have found [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► attractive even and that's got me was [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► that was it is a very handsome woman [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► yeah I've always drawn the line I just [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► feel like you know it's bad it's bad [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► what's better is I mean it's dead yet [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► business its work like what it's what a [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► terrible idea although there are all [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► kinds of situations where it's like I [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► don't like that guitar part that you're [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► playing I don't think you know and then [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► the other person says like it's not it's [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► my guitar parts not your place to say [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► and if you could just say like let's [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► fuck that would hear a lot of times [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► resolved the issue if you could have [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► done it with Mike Squires just think how [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► much how much attention you could have [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► releases just blown off the tension and [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► then it's just like you know what it [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► turns out i love your guitar parts are [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► thanks I'm learning here let's see em in [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► 1972 six months after the release of [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► future games the band released Fleetwood [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► Mac release bare trees which featured [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► watches song sentimental lady and [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► original version of sentimental lady [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► what on a Fleetwood Mac wrecker [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► home this is why you dig into the deep [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► cuts yeah i want to go i just am [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► listening to this one song over and over [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► five years so I mean I i was thinking [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► about it it kind of goes against my hole [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► like I'm not a fan of things a premise [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► better stopping and then but then it [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► goes all the way through to the other [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► side of the i'm not a fan of things [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► premise to like oh sure i'm a fan of [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► things sometimes this is why i'm not a [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► fan of things because if I really like [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► something i'll just look I'll just enjoy [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► it alone for five years darling that's [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► not the way to really absorb a lot of [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► culture you know I met Dan Harmon the [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► other day I wait I know this Dan Harmon [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► is the guy from the TV show that's right [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► ok and and I and I made the classic I've [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► only done this a few times in my life [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► but but but one whatever i do it blows [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► up in my face I said there's some [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► there's some guys they were like you got [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► to meet Dan Harmon i was like i don't i [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► don't really care to meet Dan Harmon I [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► don't know what do you get it was gonna [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► say you know well so let me tell you [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► what I said look they're like no no you [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► guys got to meet each other's is really [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► important like you're like all right [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► ok so find out me Dan Harmon so I walk [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► in and dan harmon's in there and he's [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► you know kept pacing the room he [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► obviously he gives up the energy of [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► being like a lion right he's in charge [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► of the room he's the reason that the [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► room was built to house Dan Harmon for [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► this short amount of time and and I and [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► I like that energy i appreciate that [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► energy here's a you know here's a like [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► there's a Greybeard hoop kind of feels [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► like every room in the world was built [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► to house him every room he ever enters [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► and and you know my interlocutors take [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► me over and say like John rock Dan [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► Harmon Harmon John Rother can I put out [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► my hand and I say you're ready for this [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► god I say hi nice to meet you big fan [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► because because I don't know why I had a [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► I don't have you ever seen this program [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► no okay see that's that's what I was [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► worried about ya i have one time [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► Jonathan Coulton said you really gotta [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► see this episode of community which is [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► like the Christmas episode and it they [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► do it as a musical and he showed it to [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► me and I thought it was very charming [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► but that is the only one of any of his [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► things I have seen so I walking out now [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► technically in the usual sense of the [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► phrase a big fan but I really and he [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► turned somebody makes you watch your [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► show but maybe what I I could have said [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► that I John Roberts somebody made me [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► watch one of your shows one time I just [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► gotta face [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► I don't know why that one time that the [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► the hilarious 11 time 10-15 years ago [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► Shawn Nelson and I were standing there [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► and a guy comes up and says hi at a bar [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► and I mistook him for someone else and I [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► was like oh hey man great to see you hey [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► great show the other night and the guy [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► looked at me and was like what show i [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► don't go and in the moment that he and [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► he was a guitar player an entertainer [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► but it was just a different guy than I [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► thought and in the moment that he's [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► saying that I'm realizing a that I had [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► it wrong and he's like what show and I [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► said no all the great shows on now all [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► the great shows that you have played big [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► big fan and so Sean still like well [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► every once in a while you know say to me [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► like all the crates shows the kind of [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► like as a bit of a shutdown but anyway [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► so I say to Dan Harmon hey hi nice to [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► meet you big fan and i don't i'm [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► thinking that he's at this thing and [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► that everybody's a big fan of his and [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► that this is just going to be some [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► social lubricant where I go [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► hi big fan and he's gonna go hi thanks a [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► lot and it's going to be it's another [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► thing is you didn't go wrong in a sense [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► that that is a really good generic thing [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► to say to somebody where you know it's [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► going to be a 15-second interaction [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► because it takes a lot of the pressure [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► off except that he shakes my hand looks [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► at me and goes oh yeah fan of what [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► and I went uh arm you know some of your [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► old shows and I don't get out [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► I'm like some of your old shows and she [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► says which one time and I and he's i [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► don't know whether he senses that he's [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► got me on the ropes something here for [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► you guys to watch you swing he's trying [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► to kill me now I mean I just I walked [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► into the Lions Den covered in fucking [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► hamburger and I'm like uh and then I'm I [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► don't even remember the name of his show [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► that I did see one episode of and I'm [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► I'm like uh a community and he goes oh [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► you mean the one that's back on the air [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► now mm he's not gonna let you off [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► it's not letting me go and everybody in [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► the room is like like watching a lion [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► take apart a lamb and I'm sitting there [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► like still still clinging to this the to [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► the to the to the little tail lights on [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► the train of big fan that I see [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► disappearing into the message there goes [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► the Train big fan big fan train and I'm [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► standing there and I you know and i and [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► part of me wants to be like you got me i [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► have never seen anything you've done [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► I've heard your name i guess i read it [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► wired once people talk about you like [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► you are important and matter and i just [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► wanted to be part of that for a second [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► really just time to go for me now and he [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► and he just he presses the he presses in [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► and so I am trying to convert and you [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► know Joel McHale is a long winter span [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► that's cool and that's the star of the [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► case for our community and he and I have [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► had many many good times he's come to [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► many long winter shows we've like we do [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► a lot of we ran into each other once at [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► legoland in san diego special did you [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► decide to pivot to Joel Joel McHale and [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► I have a lot of good history and so I [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► decided to try to pivot to [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► haha this is not gonna be good [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► except as i'm picking it's like you've [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► brought in a different coupon from a [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► different part that's like giving like [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► well actually I know a couple of people [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► on your show as i'm doing it i can't [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► remember joel mchale's name he says [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► crude because joel mchale has a name [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► kind of like Nick Drake he's got one of [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► those one of those my friend market [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► calls it the snap to grid name where it [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► sounds like lots of other names gonna go [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► you know what I Joel Grey is running [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► jumping over a john mccrae that guy with [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► the hair that Joe Joe mar kale and you [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► get your sledging it that's so I'm like [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► you know big and he's like oh yeah [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► whatever though the show the back in [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► there and I'm like oh well yeah I mean [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► I'm come kind of pretty good friends [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► with the couple of people on the show [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► and he's like who [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► oh god and i can't remember his name and [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► I'm like rm10 and so Gillian Jacobs what [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► I've met her a couple of times in LA and [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► I fell in immediately in love with her [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► did I ever tell you that story now we [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► were at the Chateau Marmont and in at [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► first glance i felt like oh here's a [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► little blonde actress like I'm not that [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► I and others [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► I'm not predisposed to be interested in [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► her but we're standing and looking out [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► over the balcony and LA and and she says [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► see that building over there and I was [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► like yeah [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► and kind of distracted not even paying [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► much attention and she says that [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► building was built by the guy who built [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► the original garden of Allah which is [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► where Groucho Marx met Joan Didion in [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► the piano and I was just like I kind of [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► slow take a look over at her like you [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► are blowing my mind right now and then [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► she starts talking about the tile in the [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► bathroom of the of this building that [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► once that was torn down many years ago [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► and over the course of 20 minutes she [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► reveals that she knows all of the [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► architecture all of the historical [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► architecture of La that it's just one of [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► the many fascinating little l elements [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► aspects of her of her like expansive [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► intelligence that's not fair and I was [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► like so I'm sitting there all of a [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► sudden I'm like well I I'm in love with [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► you are you do you have a boyfriend are [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► you are you famous actress of some kind [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► of you know and have and because I what [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► I had never seen her show I was not [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► aware that she I didn't know that she [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► was a like famous I was just like you [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► you are extraordinary did you study [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► architecture can we talk more about [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► architecture i would like to hear more [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► about la through your eyes little guide [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► guide to the world for me and she just [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► you know she's so she became kind of [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► this light in the sky for me like oh my [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► god there are people like Gillian Jacobs [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► out there in the world dinner that are [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► like comedic actresses on popular [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► television shows and also interested in [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► esoteric architecture stories so I'm a [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► little late in life to learn that that's [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► pretty painful it's tipped it was [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► excruciating and I'm sure that she's [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► dating some a guy that has expensive [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► sunglasses you know it's just like la [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► like you go to LA like [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► but in any case i'm looking at Dan [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► Harmon and I'm like I know two people on [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► your show that i have lots of stories [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► about that we can talk about and I can't [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► remember either one of their names and [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► but I didn't remember to not say that i [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► know some people on it show and so that [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► he's like who [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► yeah and i'm like some actors that are [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► on your show and I met you know my you [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► can just you can smell the diesel oil [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► burning out of my ears and he there are [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► other people in the room he could be [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► talking to he's telling you though I [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► think you're gonna you're gonna be the [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► sacrificial lamb literally he has he's [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► he plants both feet leans in and is just [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► like tell me more about that about the [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► actors on my shows that you know and i'm [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► like I brr-brr are rare and i'm not even [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► I'm not nervous [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► I don't care about Dan Harmon in the [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► sense of like oh my god I'm talking to [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► my hero [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► i'm nervous because i am just fucking [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► shoving feet in my mouth [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► I'm shoving like actors feet that I've [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► met a couple of times [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► whats in my mouth and eventually we [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► arrived at a place where Dan Harmon just [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► stops talking and I stopped talking and [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► we stand there and he's looking at me [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► and I'm looking at him and then I [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► remember joel mchale's name and I go [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► Joel Joel McHale as it is it to prove [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► now you finally proven you know because [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► you remember the name of a TV star [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► jumped bail is the guy that I know uh [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► and it probably ended right there right [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► well you just just stood and I stood we [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► stared and I and I finally I mean this [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► whole thing only lasted [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► I can only imagine it was not very long [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► but it seemed like a thousand years and [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► I finally was just like okay all right [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► nice meeting you you know just sort of [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► like turn and go and it was instructive [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► that it was instructive for me that this [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► that the that I do a lot of that social [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► lubricant of like all the great shows [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► big fan [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► hi great to see you and i'm not a big [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► fan it's not great to see them and i [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► don't i don't know I i picked up those [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► habits from my dad probably has a way of [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► just like moving through a crowd and [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► meeting a lot of people and not [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► remembering their names you know like [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► counselor [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► it's a version of all of that but boy [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► every once in a while it's just like [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► stepping in a bear trap when you when [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► you when you encounter someone who is [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► prepared to turn around and go oh your [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► big fan [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► won't you tell me more about that and I [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► don't know why I don't know how he [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► smelled it or if or if he didn't if he [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► just like who I mean maybe maybe [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► initially he really wanted to hear me [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► praise one of his shows [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► I doubt it I don't know pretty pretty [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► gross you you accidentally became pretty [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► LA I did I did I because isn't that I [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► mean that's pretty acceptable their [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► right to go i letting you know love you [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► when you do the thing in the thing that [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► was that's totally like showbiz manager [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► greaseball kind of talk like I was [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► basically I was basically at cause [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► playing a lawyer big fan i worked with a [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► couple of people on your show you know [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► it's like I kinda you know I I handled [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► the divorce of one of your gardeners or [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► whatever I I like gum [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► I'm Dan Harmon but I i sometimes just [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► you know for a little bit of a diversion [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► sometimes i like to fuck with PR people [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► who don't know you [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► do a similar thing we were there like a [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► you know I represent the CEO of plastic [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► on and know that you'd be really in a [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► big big big big fan of your work from [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► way back i love you have a chance to [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► have an interview with the CEO tomorrow [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► you get those kinds of things a lot and [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► I usually just you know hit ! in google [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► and marketing spam but sometimes i [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► responded i'll say wow that sounds [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► awesome [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► what's your uh what's your second [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► favorite thing I've ever done [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► let's talk a little bit about like all [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► the great stuff I do uh oh my god the [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► way you help people with your website [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► you haven't updated in four years [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► that's oh my god that's amazing the way [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► you help people [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► yeah that's one of the way I've had [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► things like that happens is never done [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► anything like that poorly that that guy [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► that demands a predator always told he's [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► absolutely absolutely predator and he [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► was picking his teeth with my shin bones [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► yeah and after that and you know [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► unfortunately for me it didn't happen on [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► stage we were just in a green room [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► somewhere and they were like three or [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► four people standing around all of whom [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► you know went over to see if there were [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► any strawberries on the craft services [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► table because they couldn't handle the [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► that at the fucking smell of blood in [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► the air as I'm standing there like hey [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► you know what I got a lot of words uh [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► for not talking about anything right now [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► that I could use those words because I [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► don't know what I because I'm because i [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► started because i can remember words [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► terra I should help man i got a nice to [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► meet you [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► boom and then gone and look for some [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► strawberries myself well you know if I [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► bet life is hard for him because I mean [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► if we are a little more charitable about [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► it maybe it's that he really doesn't [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► obviously he doesn't like that kind of [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► phony baloney think maybe he's not just [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► naturally nothing like an asshole or [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► something but I can you imagine like [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► trying to keep yourself in an [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► environment like that where you actually [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► are like you're like you're like me [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► you're someone who doesn't like having [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► conversations like that and only doesn't [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► seem like you sail like when you meet [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► the Queen or we make sure you say Your [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► Majesty versus your highness or whatever [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► you gotta learn the right way to do it [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► so don't piss anybody off but it's not [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► fun to live like that it's not fun to [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► act like that's a basis for [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► relationships or business so I mean you [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► know I wonder if he has a reputation for [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► being like hard to work with or [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► something who knows I mean everybody [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► seems to admire him and I certainly [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► admire the way that he despatched me but [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► I not enough that i'm going to ever go [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► watch a television show that was shown [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► but still are not here not here is not [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► anybody's right but but but that was uh [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► yeah that was really that was another [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► one of the all the great shows moments [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► where I feel like I can be a little bit [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► more little bit more careful about show [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► business but you know it's it it is akin [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► to show busy but really it is like [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► really it's like regional politics you [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► know what I mean like it's it's really a [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► way of of making your way through a [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► fundraiser [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► um I think of it as being a little bit [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► like maybe not magic trick but an [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► illusion [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► we're like for example like if you're [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► one of those phony baloney psychics and [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► you learn how to do cold readings and [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► the thing is like a lot of people who [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► would be amazed what somebody who's good [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► at cold readings can pull off especially [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► if you believe in the cold reading but [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► somebody is good at cold reading [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► and read you really quickly and then [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► pull out certain factors that you're [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► very likely to agree with early on they [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► end up giving more information to you [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► and then pretty soon its own seems like [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► they know your whole life and that i [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► think in some ways when you're trying to [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► survive a reason regional politics [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► that's kind of what it is if you say [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► something that you know most people that [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► this person looks like agree with you're [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► already on the right track [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► yeah we can like lead the conversation [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► something we're going to give you enough [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► information that you can pay them a [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► compliment before going in refreshing [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► your drink [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► yeah I'm pretty good at that [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► normally if this was a bad situation was [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► reversed if Dan Harmon had come up to me [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► and said oh hey big fan i might have [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► said oh really of what I i do that that [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► same thing when I feel like I'm being [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► showbiz uh I mean but you can also do it [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► in and I do it I hopefully in a [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► non-stick way of going if i get that [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► somebody's actually you know saying [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► something really nice about which thing [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► is it this thing or that thing all [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► thanks that that's that's a conversation [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► you can have for sure he's making i'm [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► guessing game [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► well and the thing is if I had said I [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► mean I have I have Dan Harmon's a [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► Wikipedia page here if I had said you [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► are really ready for next time i was a [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► big fan of your animated adult swim [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► animated television series Rick and [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► Morty with Justin roline bend and Rob [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► trabe prob [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► mhm he would have been a he would have [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► been like Oh Rick and Morty was she born [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► on january third was in 1973 right super [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► big fan of the way your ear you have a [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► beard sometimes and us just to scruff I [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► don't be thinking of a different Dan [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► Harmon are you the one who co-founded [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► the television network / website channel [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► 101 was that yeah where you [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► emmy-nominated part about things I [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► listened to an eponymous podcast called [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► harmontown is that you google glass you [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► even the real fire at Google glass it by [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► it only had google fucking glass [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► anyway that's my little oh you know in [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► addition to Dan Harmon i also met a guy [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► another dan oh yeah i saw photo that [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► yeah I met Dan Benjamin yeah how'd that [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► go [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► a guy you know I wasn't really familiar [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► with his work foo [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► but you're not you're not a big podcast [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► listener but i really liked him [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► what a nice guy everybody said that he [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► was a that he was a kitten killer and a [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► Pollock Austin I but he's a really nice [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► guy is very tidy is very clean [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► he's a clean old man I'm glad you got to [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► meet and that seems like that seems like [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► one of those you know Elvis and Nixon [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► kind of things [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► it was really it was really great you [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► know and that despite his fame tidiness [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► he will he will be hugged me multiple [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► times [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► Wow and I am famously untidy so very [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► very huggable though who knows what he [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► picked up for me it was basically like [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► licking a hotel room remote haha tip to [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► hug me in the middle of the day I'm glad [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► you got it doesn't really nice picture [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► and you get things here for your finger [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► splint in the patient finger splint yeah [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► yeah you got him [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► that's a that that's so how was the guy [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► asked how the how the event was I mean [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► people this sounds like church for a lot [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► of people they love this XOXO event XOXO [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► is a great event you know I go to a lot [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► of things now that are somewhat similar [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► to this I guess I had an expectation [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► that it would be then the new genre of [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► the unconference yeah right it's like Oh [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► a conference right okay an unconference [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► conference it's like a full of people [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► who make computer maths and they're [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► talking about it to each other [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► ok I'll go to this shirt but when I got [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► there and went to the events and met the [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► people that attend the conference I was [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► like extremely pleasantly surprised with [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► food smart people it's it's an example [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► of a thing where where where some people [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► put together at an event where all of [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► the it felt like a room full of people [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► that all knowing that our live all [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► around the world and all know each other [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► on the internet better than they know [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► the people that better than they know [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► their actual friends and people that [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► live in their town and this was that [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► this was the one of a couple times a [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► year where they all got to be together [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► and really be like really express in [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► meatspace the family that they they feel [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► like they are right and it was great you [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► know it was a place where a where [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► everybody got it so i was i was very [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► pleased very pleased to meet all those [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► people and have those exchanges [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► yeah it's a there's something special [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► about that getting to be around people [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► and I think it's a very intentional [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► conference I mean I think being somewhat [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► famously have a system for trying to get [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► to even come there you've got I mean the [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► heart of it is you've got to really want [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► yeah you couldn't there were it was like [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► an amazing we dish bag free tech [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► conference [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► yeah i think it's hard not that not that [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► they won't be able to do this but it's [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► it's hard to maintain that because it's [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► expensive to do I mean I'm trying to [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► avoid talking about South by Southwest [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► but you know everybody's been two things [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► where you go and then you go for years [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► later and you're like wow there's a lot [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► of girls with almost no clothes giving [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► away cups of energy drinks here who any [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► and and then you know it's funny the why [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► you were describing the the Dan Harmon [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► affair by the way he did the co-created [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► the television pilot for heat vision and [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► Jack which i recommend you see if you [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► haven't seen it that right heat vision [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► and Jack I feel like this encounter with [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► an arm is all the Dan Harmon I can take [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► for a while I don't know [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► I'm totally sympathetic if I go watch [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► one of these shows now and I'm like this [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► is incredible [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► then I'm really going to be bummed that [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► i actually am a fan of his and yeah so [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► I'm gonna I'm gonna take a year maybe a [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► year off from Dan Harmon I think it's [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► gonna be a Harman sabbatical get home [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► RRR my magical the thing that I don't [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► know I I don't render this as much as I [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► used to [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► because I don't I try to avoid things [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► where this is SOP for the thing I hate [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► is the kind of energy so you got the [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► interaction with Dan Harmon that was [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► awkward but what's the alternative is [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► you go and you have this this discussion [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► with somebody who's trying to suss out [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► whether you're worth their time [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► yeah and they're trying to roughly [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► estimate how much money you make [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► i think is what it comes down to for a [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► lobbyist bags well I'm what but the [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► thing about the thing about Dan Harmon [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► is I had just gotten off the stage and [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► giving a presentation that i was proud [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► of and he was the next presenter but it [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► was clear as I was being introduced to [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► him that he had not seen my presentation [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► and so what would have been an effect [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► what would have been a good introduction [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► was that the people say hey Dan Harmon [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► this is john Roderick and Dan Harmon [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► goes oh hey man i really liked your talk [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► that you just gave but I was I was I [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► think throwing a little off balance [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► because that would have been nice but [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► instead he's just gave me like shark [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► eyes like he had just entered the [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► building so then it was kind of on like [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► not whatever would have introduced me [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► not there wouldn't have been a better [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► introduction then that you just saw my [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► presentation right and since he and he [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► was looking at me definitely like well I [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► don't have not heard your name nor have [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► i seen your username on credits of [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► things that I like so it's on you buddy [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► and that was yeah i'm not going to [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► revisit this now they're hiring an issue [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► anymore enough set but uh I did feel uh [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► I did feel very much like I I [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► that I didn't actually at this [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► conference a tremendous sympathy for you [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► because at the XOXO conference you would [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► if you had attended like you are God to [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► those people and everybody there with [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► the exception of Dan Harmon knew me and [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► they knew me because of this podcast but [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► they knew me because I was a person [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► proximate to Merlin Mann and Merlin Mann [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► is the center of all things up and it [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► and it was it was very interesting [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► because it because as I walked around [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► the conference there was a lot of like [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► strange sort of fight club energy where [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► where I was unaware that I was sometimes [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► Brad Pitt because I was just walking [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► around and people would I walked past a [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► group of total strangers and they were [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► all nod in unison ago [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► good afternoon sir although they want to [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► get on your bad side or they just wanted [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► to acknowledge hello [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► we know you like you know if you want [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► clean food i suggest you not get the [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► clam chowder there was like a little a [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► little sense of like we know to stay [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► away but we also want to you know show [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► our respect like people would give me [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► little salutes and stuff that's nice [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► it was very nice but what I realized and [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► someone someone pointed this out and [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► gave me like a great kind of insight [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► into my my place in these situations [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► through these scenarios which was that [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► Merlin Mann is the god of all things and [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► Merlin Mann is occasionally differential [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► to you John Roderick so if Merlin defers [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► to you sometimes it means that you have [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► there there's a transference where the [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► where you know like the king of the [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► kingmaker but yeah the King occasionally [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► takes your counsel and so you must be [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► like a real [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► mandarin and I you know and I that was [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► very insightful of this person to point [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► out but also like very true and if you [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► had been at the XOXO conference so this [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► is where the sympathy for you comes from [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► if you had been there you would have had [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► to have stood next to an exit possibly [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► an elevator shaft with an elaborate [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► system of ropes and pulleys where you [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► could make your escape at any moment [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► because if you stopped moving for a [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► second you would have been mobbed my [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► that fires a very nice of you to [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► something like but like but exactly the [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► kind of people you want super smart [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► people who are actually making things in [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► their own worlds you know not mobbed by [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► by dummies mobbed by people who really [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► know you and love you but mobbed [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► nonetheless and thanks for saying that [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► that's I i think i actually uh how can I [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► say this without sounding like a dark i [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► enjoy that I mean I really i like mean [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► people i like going places you said [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► something one of our very early episodes [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► i laughed when he said that you were an [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► introvert i laughed and laughed and then [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► you described an introvert deciding [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► whether you're an introvert and [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► extrovert or whatever based on how much [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► energy you get from being around other [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► people and I've realized that I'm [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► extremely extroverted up to a point and [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► then I kind of flip at a certain point [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► and I get a little like okay I need to [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► just go watch some cartoon network now [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► you know it's burning gas right but you [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► know you and I share a similar branding [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► challenge which which on the face of it [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► is is we [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► well I hear people say this about both [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► of us and I can't decide how i feel [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► about it because on the one hand it's [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► nice on the one hand it's it's kind of [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► pretentious but they say you are so much [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► nicer than I expected [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► oh yeah I hear that a lot said about you [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► all the time and I have heard people say [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► that about me it's like what a quick you [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► imagine like the jews did you think that [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► I was gonna sit there and make jokes [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► about your mom like what up what you [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► might affect my favorite thing that I [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► get a from this from people who listen [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► to this podcast are the ones that come [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► up in there like [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► they want to they want to indicate to me [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► that they know that a lot of what we [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► talked about a lot of what i say on the [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► podcast isn't true or you know it's it's [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► it's I think it's hard sometimes the way [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► i would put it I think it's hard to tell [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► sometimes [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► what were exaggerating about and how [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► much right especially given that i never [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► exaggerate [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► absolutely and that everything i say is [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► 100-percent can read write that down [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► did did I uh did I pee in a Mickey's big [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► mouth bottle and give it to a sailor in [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► a strip club girl named Lola was dancing [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► yes could I have made that up what I've [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► no to everything I say by definition do [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► do i go out in my yard in the middle of [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► the night in a bathrobe with a sword and [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► talk two raccoons [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► yes what part of the podcast seems [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► untrue to you people is what I want to [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► say to people who come up to me at [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► conferences and say like wink wink when [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► i first started listening to your [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► podcast I didn't think it was AI thought [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► it was I thought you were pulling our [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► leg or something [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► I'm like uh-huh you're not heated this [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► is not that you are you are you are big [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► fan of me right now but in the wrong [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► here hit that you're saying the wrong [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► thing to me the right thing to say is I [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► thought that everything you said on the [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► podcast was true and now that I meet you [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► I see that it's only scratching the [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► surface [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► yeah the the thing that I encounter and [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► I'm sense of really weird topic to talk [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► about but the thing that I encountered [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► that i have a funny relationship with is [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► this and you must get this in spades [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► because of this program is people who on [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► the one hand you're already almost kind [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► of like friends with like you know you [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► maybe even have kind of conversations [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► with them on twitter or something like [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► you kind of know them but they also want [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► to address you in particular i'm [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► guessing kind of in character like they [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► want to tell they want to come up and [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► say you got there I got a small bag [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► packed or something like that and [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► sometimes it's hard to you know it's [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► hard to to square that you know it like [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► that that's the kind of like that's a [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► high-five you just like yeah fraid so [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► train yeah it's a beginning they get out [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► if they want a sentence and talk about [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► supertrain that's a different matter [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► well I mean it's one of those things you [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► you can only really say so much about it [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► it's it's not going to change your your [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► destiny [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► that's that's something that you're just [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► gonna have to deal with when it comes [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► that's right that's right don't think [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► you're gonna sweet-talk your way into [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► this are usually talk the talk and [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► ongoing like thing you did all the shows [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► the clog the clause does with the clock [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► will do [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► yeah you know I think I just this is [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► probably just know it's not just it's [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► hugely apart of having you know family [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► stuff to do but i just don't get away [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► for things like that as much as I used [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► to it it's expensive and you have to fly [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► and I guess I've just gotten it's not [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► that I don't like being around people i [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► really do it's just that if if it's not [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► paid for you know and to where I can [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► sort of defend it as a work thing I just [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► it's hard for me to make it to a lot of [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► fun stuff like that because of the whole [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► time i feel kind of guilty conscience [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► about being there about spending the [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► money about being away from home and [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► things like that but uh I mean I still [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► really enjoy things like that I just I [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► just like started talking Boston was [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► fantastic I mean it was it was great to [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► go and meet people and have two people [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► in the audience get a joke and stuff [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► like that it's a it's a really nice [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► feeling and you with two whole people in [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► the audience got the got a joke [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► sometimes it's hard to tell you know [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► when you do a talk I just learned to [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► really lower my expectations about what [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► anybody in the audience will do its best [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► to assume that they have no idea what [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► you do i think you know i often make the [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► opposite assumption which is that [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► everyone in the room knows everything [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► that I've ever done and was gonna get [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► every reference that you reference that [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► in there and what you're saying [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► I mean up you know i do i think that [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► there are probably every show idea where [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► I walk out onstage and go all right [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► listen up dickholes a few rules before I [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► do another thing and one of them is shut [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► up i'm sure there are people in the back [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► of the room were like who the fuck is [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► this guy but I don't care [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► you know like my assumption is when I [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► walk on the stage that it's you know I'm [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► on the stage not you and I have to own [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► the room completely to whatever to the [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► best of my ability to walk up on stage [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► and be like hi [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► for those of you who don't know me I'm [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► this guy had the most deadly line of all [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► let me tell you a little bit about [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► myself yeah like you know my I have to [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► approach walking onstage like high for [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► those of you who don't know me I'm fuck [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► you you're living under a rock [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► how did you even get in here because [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► because I just I feel like I feel like [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► you're here already [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► your weight is already on you're on the [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► wrong part of your foot if you're if you [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► walk onstage and are like I you know I [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► let me explain a little bit about how I [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► got here [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► well I I did give up i did give a talk [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► uh at the XOXO festival to a room full [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► of people where it was I mean I I [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► definitely felt like thirty percent of [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► the room knew exactly who I was and [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► thirty percent of the room didn't have [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► any idea who I was and forty percent of [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► the room was you know honor on a [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► spectrum of sort of like oh yeah that [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► might think I've heard of that guy what [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► are you all the way to like yeah I I [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► know exactly who he is and I don't like [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► him or whatever but I can't do I can't [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► do my style of presentation unless I [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► assumed that I guess I assume that [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► everybody's gonna like me i don't know i [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► see now I think that's well I don't [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► interrupt you but i think that is [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► something most people are reluctant to [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► believe and to put into effect because [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► it seems self-involved it's critical [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► it's coming like anything and whatever [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► anybody i'm with his nervous about doing [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► something going out getting on stage [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► which is understandable everybody gets [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► the jitters but I was like you know you [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► just gotta remember a few things one is [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► that the people you know whether it was [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► by accident or on purpose have decided [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► to be here they've decided to not do [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► other stuff in order to be here they [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► want to be entertained and they want to [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► be entertained by you [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► and the thing is you know they want you [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► to succeed they want you to be [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► entertaining if they don't want you to [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► be entertaining you can't save it right [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► those people off but there I think it [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► always helps to remember that like you [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► do have an advantage when you come out [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► which is that people would like to like [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► what you're doing and if you start from [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► that point of view that's not [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► self-involved that's just trying to be [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► entertaining if you start by feeling [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► like I've got to be defensive or Ivor [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► I've got to like show my bona fides let [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► me seemed kind of like you said like [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► you're on the wrong foot [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► yeah yeah and a particularly a tech [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► conference where there are people uh you [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► know I'll what when when when you came [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► up and we did that presentation with our [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► silly ass friends at the Seattle [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► interactive conference when we met the [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► digital profit [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► digital profit [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► where I'm at the digital profit that was [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► a silly ass presentation that was [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► somewhat derailed and and maybe [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► completely derailed somewhat so forth [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► derailed by one of our good friends at [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► one of the participants went a little [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► bit rogue I don't want the technically a [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► mutiny [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► I think I think any court maritime court [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► would probably find him guilty of mutiny [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► yeah i think it was a mutiny and I think [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► it was you know partly nervousness and [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► partly like love the microphone or [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► whatever but so you and I definitely [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► were on the stage I was scrambling to [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► sell that the event and you were visibly [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► discomforted was I yeah you you know you [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► want to help people trying to figure out [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► something useful to say yeah you you [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► were given you there were a couple of [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► times when i looked over at you and you [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► looked at me and grimaced grimaced like [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► you had just bitten into an onion is [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► always the chance that you're gonna [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► punch somebody in the face and I did not [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► want that to happen on such a good about [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► ticket sales but in any case after the [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► after the fact i was a i was on the [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► internet and I was scrolling through [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► seattle interactive conference comments [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► and there was a comment from someone who [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► was at social media a webinar expert and [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► she said I went to see this group of [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► people talk about social networking or [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► whatever the whatever the premise of our [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► premises stated originally was something [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► like hey you guys are are wackadoodle [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► pseudo celebrities [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► how are you dealing how are using social [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► media to try and do your work right and [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► so this uh this woman like online said [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► that was a total waste of time it was [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► just five or six guys up there who liked [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► to hear them the sound of their own [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► voices and they were just wasting my [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► time I agree with all of that except the [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► part about how is a waste of time and I [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► ill-advisedly perhaps God commented to [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► her and was like you [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► our time must be extremely valuable for [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► it to feel so wasted by that our of like [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► completely harmless high jinks [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► but but the sense that she had that she [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► had come to this interactive conference [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► to really learn to have some takeaways [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► that she could take back to her social [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► media business and convert that [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► knowledge into more business or [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► something I don't know I there I i had a [TS]

01:02:41 ◼   ► sense when i got up at the XOXO [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► conference that there might be people in [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► the room who are really looking for new [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► thought technologies that can help them [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► be better app makers and that I was not [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► going to be giving I was not gonna be [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► providing any of that [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► um I was going to be doing infotainment [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► of a different sort but it turned out [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► that the XOXO conference did not have a [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► bunch of social media managers and it [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► had people who were looking for new [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► thought technologies of a different kind [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► the kind that I have I'm kind of the not [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► kind of an obsessive about walking in [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► the room [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► what mmm mean is it something you just [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► do it [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► I feel like I feel like I feel like [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► starting a sentence by saying I'm kind [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► of been taking the word kind of back and [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► replacing it with obsessing is like [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► there's a lot of week there's a lot of [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► room ok alright little clarity I says [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► I'm if allowed to do things the way I [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► like to do them i have a very specific [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► way I like to do them about which I will [TS]

01:03:47 ◼   ► be obsessive and we're here and I [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► learned I can't do that I throw it all [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► out and do something else so you know [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► I'm really ended like I try to get there [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► like like in the case of this talking it [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► was it was kind of a weird random manic [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► talk that I did but uh but i did made it [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► manic because I thought that's what [TS]

01:04:02 ◼   ► would work so like I would like to go up [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► and it's maybe it's superstition I don't [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► think it is I like to go up and see [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► where I'm going to be standing before [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► people get there and walk around and see [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► what it would be like to be watching [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► this from the audience i watch other [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► people in the same room [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► I look at stuff like the equipment and [TS]

01:04:19 ◼   ► what I can expect out of the equipment [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► you know in this case like I learned [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► this is this is an amazing set up they [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► just built this whole fist this whole [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► new four [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► facility at this company with this [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► incredible presentation system like this [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► amazing presentation system where this [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► thing around your neck and it got an [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► infrared signal so the camera can follow [TS]

01:04:35 ◼   ► you automatically so you can walk around [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► you have to stand in one place we got a [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► built-in mic it was new technology and I [TS]

01:04:42 ◼   ► learned like for example this is kind of [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► boring may be relevant but like I [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► learned for example that when people saw [TS]

01:04:47 ◼   ► this on a monitor myself once again the [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► slides would be the main thing on the [TS]

01:04:53 ◼   ► screen and I would be a [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► picture-in-picture like a sixth of the [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► size of the slide [TS]

01:04:59 ◼   ► oh right so the thing is it doesn't [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► matter probably not like remote for most [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► people who wouldn't matter because you [TS]

01:05:05 ◼   ► got your presentation you're going to do [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► in a certain way and you just go up [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► there any power through it and I I don't [TS]

01:05:09 ◼   ► know I i try to like adapt what I'm [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► going to say and how i'm going to say [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► that depending all of those dumb factors [TS]

01:05:15 ◼   ► realizing there is a pillow there's a [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► pillar a load-bearing pillar right here [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► that we're like 15 people aren't going [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► to be able to see me so they're gonna [TS]

01:05:22 ◼   ► feel left out if I'm not found not [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► moving around it's gonna seem kind of [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► weird knowing that these slides so I had [TS]

01:05:28 ◼   ► to make a lot of like gametime decisions [TS]

01:05:30 ◼   ► this is not like heroic but like how to [TS]

01:05:32 ◼   ► change what did you how did you how did [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► you alter your presentation initially I [TS]

01:05:35 ◼   ► decided as I do about fifty percent of [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► time I initially thought I just threw [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► out the slides not two slides at all i [TS]

01:05:40 ◼   ► knew that the technology was new and [TS]

01:05:42 ◼   ► although these guys were very very [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► competent added I still knew that they [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► had only been kind of testing it for a [TS]

01:05:48 ◼   ► couple weeks so I went into it knowing [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► that all a lot of things could change [TS]