The Incomparable

189: Using Computers to Impress Girls


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  189 april 2014 [TS]

  welcome back to the uncomfortable [TS]

  podcast I'm your host Jason Snell and [TS]

  we're going to talk about a movie a [TS]

  classic movie not an old movie we're not [TS]

  going to call it old I don't know what [TS]

  the cutoff is for old but it precedes [TS]

  1980 and this movies from 83 so we're [TS]

  not going to call it all but it is a [TS]

  movie we we think I believe pickup [TS]

  formerly it is John badams 1983 [TS]

  techno-thriller Cold War techno-thriller [TS]

  shall we say war games and here to join [TS]

  in talking about global thermonuclear [TS]

  war are my guests David lure hello hello [TS]

  good to have you as always [TS]

  John Syracuse's also here hi John I [TS]

  Jason just want to say that i love the [TS]

  eighties yeah they're totally awesome [TS]

  that's what I say I great losses here hi [TS]

  Craig [TS]

  hi Jason good to have you play a game [TS]

  how about a nice game of volleyball for [TS]

  now one of the options lip the poop out [TS]

  of the menu Jason group up be you missed [TS]

  it sorry to bed and indian taco is also [TS]

  here Heidi greetings professor Snell ok [TS]

  little more Dalek that I think you're [TS]

  going alright so war games this is a [TS]

  movie i have we all I did we all go back [TS]

  and watch it again i watched it a couple [TS]

  days ago I did yeah alright um was that [TS]

  all anybody not watch it recently to the [TS]

  check i watched a little bit of it i [TS]

  didn't watch the whole theron I I [TS]

  haven't seen this movie and so long and [TS]

  yet I realized as we were watching it [TS]

  that [TS]

  that I have it completely memorized so [TS]

  obviously I've seen it a dozen times at [TS]

  least because i remember details i [TS]

  remember long stretches of dialogue [TS]

  whole scenes where the dialogue and yet [TS]

  it's been probably at least 10 or 15 [TS]

  years since I've seen it so it was [TS]

  really kind of nice it was a nice to [TS]

  come back to a familiar familiar friend [TS]

  in this movie [TS]

  when did you mean was this a movie that [TS]

  that that you all saw it within you know [TS]

  when it came out or or soon thereafter [TS]

  because I I certainly did I i can't [TS]

  remember i think i saw it in a movie [TS]

  theater in 82 or 83 83 I remember [TS]

  dragging my parents to see it in the [TS]

  theater because it was we had just moved [TS]

  up to New York and it came out and I [TS]

  went that's what i want and they said [TS]

  Eric we've ripped you out of your happy [TS]

  comfortable Florida life and let's go to [TS]

  a movie and ya know I loved it I loved [TS]

  it [TS]

  although it may I still remember all of [TS]

  the technology was not in a very tech [TS]

  heavy family so just the the idea of [TS]

  modems what is this modem thing you know [TS]

  everything in the movie was being a [TS]

  total science fiction I I was used to a [TS]

  trs-80 that was about it [TS]

  I don't remember not having seen this [TS]

  movie I was other than those movies that [TS]

  I remember the first time I saw it I [TS]

  don't remember time before I saw I'll [TS]

  just has always been in my life in the [TS]

  end of eight days and of my past and [TS]

  like like Jason I hadn't seen it in so [TS]

  many years just don't know how many [TS]

  years maybe it maybe 15 years I but i [TS]

  knew i had this movie memorized like [TS]

  even not having seen the movie i felt [TS]

  like i could recite scenes from it and [TS]

  seeing it again yeah i can continue [TS]

  except with with some exceptions i think [TS]

  we'll get to that was big blank spots [TS]

  this movie for me [TS]

  yeah Andy I had not seen it in about a [TS]

  year and a half two years its it really [TS]

  is one of those movies were if I have [TS]

  not seen it in a while the next [TS]

  opportunity i have where I just that the [TS]

  the movie pops into my head or I see it [TS]

  like I'm scrolling through netflix is [TS]

  recommended movie chances are about [TS]

  seven out of ten I'm gonna wind up [TS]

  seeing it because it [TS]

  I i think i think it's kind of like are [TS]

  preferred for not just our generation [TS]

  but are sort of social group [TS]

  this is like our version of the Graduate [TS]

  wear it so that it's so encapsulate us [TS]

  that this is us on that screen that is [TS]

  just hard to relate to it in the same [TS]

  way that like people who are not of that [TS]

  generation and we're not doing those [TS]

  things at that age can relate to it [TS]

  that's how I remember it [TS]

  yeah me that the other i'll just say the [TS]

  the one thing that absolutely got my [TS]

  heart that just absolutely made me think [TS]

  this is this is me this is my group is [TS]

  when it is when he's trying to he's [TS]

  trying to hack into provision and he's [TS]

  been up all night if this isn't early [TS]

  that you can tell this isn't that he got [TS]

  up early to do this it means that it's [TS]

  seven in the morning he's been up since [TS]

  this since seven the previous morning [TS]

  that expression where he's just mashing [TS]

  his face with his head with his fingers [TS]

  drawing his bottom eyelids down and just [TS]

  like looking at the screen and disbelief [TS]

  that I can't believe it i'm still going [TS]

  to have to go for another two hours to [TS]

  try to solve this i have seen that face [TS]

  reflected in a green phosphoricum [TS]

  10-under night after night after night [TS]

  yeah Greg you were going to say you use [TS]

  the same same deal [TS]

  well yeah i saw in theaters because it [TS]

  was the first movie that kind of spoke [TS]

  to the subculture i was in you know I [TS]

  knew people that had their BMX movies [TS]

  and people had their break dancing [TS]

  movies and games was a nerd I i will [TS]

  just say I i had no BMXers or break [TS]

  dancers in my peer group i'll just say [TS]

  that no but they were at the same school [TS]

  I was a they all beat up on you borrowed [TS]

  the affectations of those subcultures [TS]

  and I had a 2400 baud modem and a couple [TS]

  of phone numbers and I lived online and [TS]

  so you know to see somebody who was also [TS]

  war dialing and doing something [TS]

  interesting with it and who had a [TS]

  girlfriend who looks like Elly shady was [TS]

  all very very exciting [TS]

  yes well especially that one of the more [TS]

  unrealistic things the movie anyway [TS]

  I think the key to this is the key to [TS]

  this movie is for our for our peer group [TS]

  is but one for people our age you know [TS]

  having grown up in the eighties with [TS]

  sort of sort of the the dread of nuclear [TS]

  annihilation I think everybody in our [TS]

  generation can connect with that but [TS]

  then this movie specifically puts people [TS]

  like us and the position to accidentally [TS]

  destroy the war destroy the world or [TS]

  well no 22 sorry but 22 to be the hero [TS]

  of the story like we know there's this [TS]

  dread you know this existential dread of [TS]

  nuclear holocaust right and here's a [TS]

  movie where people like us are people [TS]

  like what we aspire to be because i [TS]

  thought i was i was too young i was i [TS]

  was sort of aspiration like I would like [TS]

  to be like Matthew Broderick when I grow [TS]

  up and do that where the hero we get to [TS]

  save the world that almost destroyed [TS]

  accidentally to which is fun but then be [TS]

  the hero and and save it and so it was [TS]

  the one-two punch of you know movies [TS]

  that speak to the fierce kids have about [TS]

  the world ending and then like the the [TS]

  super-rare movie where it's like and [TS]

  guess what the Nerds going to save the [TS]

  day and you know and also by the way the [TS]

  sub-theme of using computers to impress [TS]

  girls which yeah it's not actually [TS]

  working real life the way it does but [TS]

  maybe check out my acoustic couple of [TS]

  modem yeah okay so we should i if there [TS]

  are no other opening remarks I thought [TS]

  we would dive into the movie and just [TS]

  kind of move through it sequentially [TS]

  does that sound ok with everyone very [TS]

  linear very very methodical that's the [TS]

  goat goes straight through Falcon space [TS]

  i'm sorry i am i am that's exactly right [TS]

  but we started one of the nice things [TS]

  about this movie is it starts with a [TS]

  with a fake out which is hey let's go [TS]

  see that movie the computer movie I've [TS]

  heard so much about [TS]

  and we open on a snowy playing in it and [TS]

  you know it's like South Dakota or or [TS]

  Montana or somewhere for all we know and [TS]

  a car comes through the snow and enters [TS]

  a house and then something strange [TS]

  happens they look in a mirror and and [TS]

  and suddenly we're there [TS]

  turns out they're ushered back into a [TS]

  secret government installation where [TS]

  they are Manning the nuclear missile [TS]

  silo and hey it's john spencer ya lil [TS]

  McGarry never ages because he looks the [TS]

  same agents movies in the West Wing like [TS]

  how is that possible even [TS]

  Matthew Broderick is starting to look a [TS]

  little older it is it's Leo McGarry [TS]

  except he's now been demoted and he [TS]

  hasn't had been promoted and he works [TS]

  for the Air Force I guess firing nuclear [TS]

  missiles [TS]

  I had no memory of this opening scene [TS]

  because when it opened I was afraid that [TS]

  i had the wrong movie I might want to [TS]

  visit my guess is they get into the [TS]

  thing with the keys i remember that [TS]

  whole sequence but the very opening [TS]

  sequence where it's snowy and trucks i [TS]

  guess when I was a kid my brain didn't [TS]

  turn on you until they get in there in [TS]

  the room with the keys [TS]

  yeah but but they go everything so one [TS]

  of the notes i wrote down is everything [TS]

  I know about nuclear missiles and all [TS]

  their protocols and how they work is [TS]

  from this movie and a hundred October [TS]

  maybe hunt for red october a little bit [TS]

  and maybe like crimson tide but really [TS]

  it all comes back to there are two guys [TS]

  there are two keys and ultimately turn [TS]

  your key sir that's it to you [TS]

  that's it about dr. Strangelove I want [TS]

  to watch that until much later and it [TS]

  was influenced entirely by four games it [TS]

  was all through the war games [TS]

  it's all that john john spencer is down [TS]

  there in a hole somewhere with that [TS]

  other dude and they're there they're [TS]

  going through the codes and they've got [TS]

  the little book and every movie I've [TS]

  seen since I always think about the look [TS]

  at this scene the little plastic snap [TS]

  and half things with the paper inside [TS]

  them right and hope the whole point of [TS]

  this scene is that given every [TS]

  indication that they need to fire their [TS]

  missile john spencer refuses to fire the [TS]

  missile and we discover then we cut to [TS]

  the government briefing that Maurice [TS]

  Minnifield from northern exposure is [TS]

  this is a problem that lots of his guys [TS]

  won't fire the nuclear missiles and so [TS]

  they just so they decide to replace them [TS]

  with computers [TS]

  well it was only twenty-two percent or [TS]

  something wasn't it and like that they [TS]

  click they call that like that the [TS]

  percentage of infantry soldiers who [TS]

  don't fire at the enemy it's like the [TS]

  firing rate or something someone can [TS]

  look it up but that that doesn't seem [TS]

  like such a bad percentage i think the [TS]

  firing rate for its it's a pretty damn [TS]

  bad percentage mean who has to be the [TS]

  poor guy who has to like explain to the [TS]

  guy who had the gun sixer turn your key [TS]

  that you just shot and killed Leo [TS]

  McGarry been through a test fire [TS]

  exercise it wasn't even really war [TS]

  well they gave him blanks [TS]

  every place the gun is a blanket we [TS]

  don't we don't overswing because we see [TS]

  him later [TS]

  this is a crossover crossover with the [TS]

  game saw those blanks [TS]

  it's still a hell of a test to you walk [TS]

  into work one day and realize you have [TS]

  to me i like the planets the job is [TS]

  working for the government that's [TS]

  exactly what you're gonna get with that [TS]

  but that's part of that's part of the [TS]

  movie like the reason I was a kid that [TS]

  this works so well is you totally [TS]

  believe that there were people with this [TS]

  job and you understood that this is not [TS]

  a fiction that there's that there's [TS]

  actual people whose job it is to go in [TS]

  there every day and this is this is the [TS]

  job this is what they're signed up to do [TS]

  and like you buy into the whole thing [TS]

  that like well they're supposed to do [TS]

  the job but it's a hard job to do and [TS]

  how did that you know like in as an [TS]

  adult watching this movie and lots of [TS]

  things seem very silly but because I was [TS]

  the kid in the eighties that saw this [TS]

  then like I can still connect back with [TS]

  the deadly seriousness of you know of [TS]

  these vaguely silly things [TS]

  absolutely that's that's another thing [TS]

  that I'd wonder if later generations can [TS]

  really appreciate that if your kid [TS]

  growing up in the eighties every news [TS]

  report was high your president is an old [TS]

  addled former movie movie actor who [TS]

  really wants a nuclear war who has eight [TS]

  who has aids were telling them that you [TS]

  know what you should not let the [TS]

  Russkies get away with anything [TS]

  everything with anything because if they [TS]

  even if they do fire some missiles we [TS]

  have a magical shield in the sky that [TS]

  will shoot those missiles down so [TS]

  absolutely build more nukes ramp up the [TS]

  war there's a probably about as seven [TS]

  and eighty chance that if you're a [TS]

  teenager you will wind up fighting in [TS]

  Afghanistan or something [TS]

  it really wasn't it wasn't like the cold [TS]

  war the in the sixties but it was still [TS]

  a really tense time if you had a this is [TS]

  this is why one of the biggest TV shows [TS]

  dramas at that time was just an entire [TS]

  night of abject depression saying after [TS]

  the nuclear war happens which is going [TS]

  to happen here is what the what the day [TS]

  after that is going to be like for those [TS]

  of you who by the way you didn't live [TS]

  through it and he's referring to the [TS]

  cosby show those sweaters two sweaters [TS]

  Jason the sweater and multiple multiple [TS]

  pattern in boundary entry vehicles [TS]

  yes uh so more but the good news is [TS]

  Dabney Coleman tvs to have any Coleman [TS]

  has a plan to replace all of the Leo [TS]

  mcGarry's of the world who don't want to [TS]

  anarchy and annihilate everybody in you [TS]

  know hundreds of thousands of people in [TS]

  Russia with the whopper which is a very [TS]

  silly name for a very powerful [TS]

  supercomputer that's going to run [TS]

  military service simulations learn all [TS]

  of the details and be able to plan based [TS]

  on the NORAD war plans fat faster than [TS]

  even though the Chiefs of Staff and the [TS]

  President and so you just tell the [TS]

  whopper what to do and it will fire the [TS]

  missiles for you isn't that nice [TS]

  computers always do whatever you want [TS]

  yeah let's put all the nuclear missiles [TS]

  in the computer because computers what [TS]

  would that what they're saying here with [TS]

  Daddy Coleman is saying here is [TS]

  computers are more reliable than people [TS]

  and therefore we should take the human [TS]

  element out of the equation of course [TS]

  there's a lot of things that are [TS]

  topsy-turvy in this movie like just you [TS]

  know things that are different now [TS]

  because we're you know more progressive [TS]

  like that the sexism all the stuff that [TS]

  we'll talk about in a bit but this was [TS]

  the first thing that struck me as being [TS]

  a scene that would not exist in the [TS]

  current movie because in this scene you [TS]

  have the computer guy advocating for the [TS]

  sort of more rigid militaristic [TS]

  everybody has to follow orders the [TS]

  computer can take over fire because we [TS]

  know it will fire every single time and [TS]

  you had the southern all-american four [TS]

  star general in his dress uniform being [TS]

  the peacemaker dove saying you know we [TS]

  need the people in there we need men [TS]

  like in a modern movie the military [TS]

  would be all for the killing machine [TS]

  thing and the computer guys would be the [TS]

  dubs and saying you know oh I don't come [TS]

  on comfortable with killing people or [TS]

  whatever totally upside down from the [TS]

  current view of what the guy with the [TS]

  military guy with the computer guy [TS]

  responses and that kind of runs [TS]

  throughout this movie you everybody in [TS]

  their various roles is the opposite of [TS]

  what those roles would be today i don't [TS]

  know i don't think the military guys so [TS]

  much [TS]

  the piece nick is he's the old-fashioned [TS]

  I believe in the judgment of my men [TS]

  well ya thought that what it gets too is [TS]

  that light ism Trump's militaristic you [TS]

  know zeal like he is more afraid of [TS]

  computers then he is like but you know [TS]

  he's defending the weak link basically [TS]

  the yeah sure the humans don't fire [TS]

  twenty-two percent of the time but [TS]

  dammit we have to stick with them [TS]

  because i don't want those darn [TS]

  computers coming in so that that's the [TS]

  threat of his place in the movie still [TS]

  to be backwards and everything but not [TS]

  backwards in the way of like I'm going [TS]

  to destroy everybody I'm crazy military [TS]

  backwards in the way I fear all [TS]

  technology to such a degree that I'm [TS]

  willing to stick with the people who are [TS]

  less reliable weapon rather than go that [TS]

  those scary computers [TS]

  well i think a John to jump off of that [TS]

  the this movie in some ways even though [TS]

  it was only made in 1982 and lots of [TS]

  movies were made before that and lots of [TS]

  movies have been made after that and yet [TS]

  in some ways this movie starts us on a [TS]

  path for it predates some clichés and [TS]

  it creates some clichés and and so it [TS]

  watching it now you're taking a back by [TS]

  the fact that some like some movie and [TS]

  TV clichés about what the hackers [TS]

  always thinking what the military guys [TS]

  always think are mixed up a little bit [TS]

  and then there's also a bunch of things [TS]

  that people do that you're like uh I you [TS]

  know that this you know I'm in it said [TS]

  many many times in this movie but it's [TS]

  like back then it was it was kind of [TS]

  okay it's just now it's been overused [TS]

  but back then they had to explain what [TS]

  was going on in a way that they don't [TS]

  right now but but you're right the the [TS]

  idea that Maurice Minnifield from [TS]

  northern exposure who has who has a name [TS]

  but I don't care he's always more [TS]

  worries Minnifield behringer is that is [TS]

  that no yes general Beringer yes thank [TS]

  you [TS]

  hehe yeah he doesn't trust the computers [TS]

  because they're all daii trust his guys [TS]

  the problem is guys are unreliable so [TS]

  he's got this difficult decision to make [TS]

  where he's got the unreliable men and [TS]

  then he's got the computer but it you [TS]

  know but it the experts say that it's [TS]

  really reliable and when you're facing [TS]

  down nuclear annihilation you want to be [TS]

  able to fire those missiles [TS]

  I think it's more about each each leader [TS]

  under wanting to work with the tools [TS]

  that understands the best where the [TS]

  general understands discipline and [TS]

  understands military military chain of [TS]

  command and understands people who are [TS]

  under his command and so even though [TS]

  it's be understands the possibility that [TS]

  they're pretty other people are not [TS]

  going to follow orders [TS]

  that means that you need to increase the [TS]

  training you need to change the way that [TS]

  these people are are weeded out [TS]

  whereas the person who's the engineer [TS]

  though there are not there's a nonzero [TS]

  percentage of people out there of [TS]

  Engineers Arthur who don't really [TS]

  understand people as well as they [TS]

  understand computers and they have more [TS]

  faith in computers than they have in [TS]

  people because at least when the [TS]

  computer fails to do something properly [TS]

  you can trace it to an actual fault as [TS]

  opposed to know the computer was just [TS]

  being a jerk today so I'd and then and [TS]

  not even to get into the idea of each of [TS]

  these guys wants to defend their own [TS]

  budget you know if you if you have all [TS]

  these silos staffed by men that you [TS]

  actually need to have staff and training [TS]

  facilities and support for them [TS]

  he's defending his budget like a good [TS]

  bit like a good government employee and [TS]

  a good defense contractor as a as the [TS]

  computer engineer would do well isn't [TS]

  the whole point of the movie to advocate [TS]

  for humanism [TS]

  I mean even Joshua becomes human [TS]

  effectively at the end he developed a [TS]

  conscience and learns and that I mean if [TS]

  viewed in the light of the eighties when [TS]

  everything you know computers were going [TS]

  to take over everything but in a bad way [TS]

  your job is going to be computerized [TS]

  away I I think it speaks to that is that [TS]

  the the good guy [TS]

  the good authority figure the the one [TS]

  that is ultimately right is the one who [TS]

  wants to keep men in and the bad guy is [TS]

  the one who wants to remove human [TS]

  judgment and the Savior is the computer [TS]

  program that learns human judgment no I [TS]

  don't agree with any of that yet I think [TS]

  it's more those are all pieces and in [TS]

  the morality play and a basic question [TS]

  once you throw like relay I into the mix [TS]

  which you know is it's silly and it [TS]

  takes it becomes a fantasy movie at that [TS]

  point you realize that all these pieces [TS]

  on the board are there because there's [TS]

  some message that they're trying to get [TS]

  out [TS]

  I and it involves these players on the [TS]

  board but not like because the military [TS]

  guy by the end of the movie i'm not i [TS]

  don't have a feeling that he was right [TS]

  or wrong he was the same as he always [TS]

  was he was just kind of along for the [TS]

  ride and the same thing with [TS]

  what's-his-name McKittrick he he's [TS]

  trying to you know do what he does but [TS]

  he doesn't seem to grow change much by [TS]

  the end of the movie either it's all [TS]

  just through this play of the AI [TS]

  interacting with this kid interacting [TS]

  with that you [TS]

  falken does have a bit of an arc finally [TS]

  you know restoring faith in humanity but [TS]

  we're just supposed to take away the [TS]

  lesson that you know the killer was [TS]

  stupid all gonna die [TS]

  well that here's here's here's the thing [TS]

  both definitely will use their the [TS]

  actors because we don't remember the [TS]

  characters names would Danny colon and [TS]

  Barry Corbin they both have the exact [TS]

  same goal they both want that if if an [TS]

  actual authorized and then second order [TS]

  comes from The Oval Office to launch [TS]

  nuclear missiles they all want that to [TS]

  happen [TS]

  yes that's there they simply have a [TS]

  difference that once those orders have [TS]

  happened [TS]

  what's the best way to implement that at [TS]

  the end they both having realized that [TS]

  having both realized that there are [TS]

  false orders in this computer [TS]

  neither of them wants the missiles to [TS]

  launch and to the other point of Joshua [TS]

  requirement conscience no he doesn't all [TS]

  he does is he is a computer he's [TS]

  programmed to it part of the whopper [TS]

  program is to work out once they have a [TS]

  goal has been loaded into the computer [TS]

  figure out how to achieve that goal he [TS]

  never says oh what would be wrong to [TS]

  kill so many people under the auspices [TS]

  of foreign policy it says no I've tried [TS]

  out every single way to launch missiles [TS]

  at Russia in such a way that the [TS]

  response will not be absolutely [TS]

  devastating for the United States i have [TS]

  worked them all out [TS]

  none of them work the only was correct [TS]

  solution to win this game is to not to [TS]

  play at all [TS]

  that's not a moral decision as far as [TS]

  Josh was concerned that simply brute [TS]

  force computation on its trying to shake [TS]

  the the the military man out of the out [TS]

  of the pretending that there is [TS]

  something winnable here when in fact [TS]

  it's it's not and that even a computer [TS]

  even a logical computer can come to that [TS]

  conclusion if you just ask it to run the [TS]

  numbers which they never did I guess [TS]

  before do not take this too far off the [TS]

  rails but Andy are you arguing that you [TS]

  can't come to a moral decision based off [TS]

  rational calculations i'm arguing that [TS]

  there's no evidence in this movie that [TS]

  Joshua came to a moral decision [TS]

  yeah like what my connection to this [TS]

  movie as a kid was one part with the [TS]

  whole nuclear war thing and how that's a [TS]

  bad idea like it definitely took that [TS]

  away from the movie right you know so [TS]

  that's great but the other one was the [TS]

  the real like the real chillin [TS]

  connection with this inhuman AI it was [TS]

  you know it was kind of how light [TS]

  because i don't think i've seen 2001 [TS]

  before I saw this [TS]

  I like the part where where Matthew [TS]

  Broderick being the proxy for me is the [TS]

  you know the aspirational nerd of the [TS]

  audience is in a terrible situation [TS]

  whose girlfriend is ally sheedy yeah [TS]

  well yeah it in a terrible situation and [TS]

  you know in mckettricks office and and [TS]

  he's typing on the terminal to Joshua or [TS]

  whatever he says is this real or is this [TS]

  a game and and there's a look at the [TS]

  good pause and subsequent editing this [TS]

  with a little pause and josh says what's [TS]

  the difference that is a chilling moment [TS]

  with them zooming in on the screen you [TS]

  realize i agree with andy the computer [TS]

  doesn't know or care it doesn't [TS]

  what's the difference in real and you [TS]

  know it has no connection to the outside [TS]

  world as far as that's concerned it's [TS]

  not concerned with any of the things [TS]

  that were consorting with so it was it [TS]

  was strong AI in terms of like the [TS]

  single spirit had a personality and [TS]

  thoughts and acts on its own and it is [TS]

  totally unfeeling and uncaring in an [TS]

  alien sort of way like how and even [TS]

  though it's not really the point the [TS]

  movie even though i think that's just [TS]

  there to move along the morality play [TS]

  get the message out of the end [TS]

  Joshua is an incredibly chillin and [TS]

  creepy character and that's my biggest [TS]

  connection to the movies with the [TS]

  computer and with like the kid who [TS]

  breaks into the computer realize these [TS]

  face-to-face with the abyss basically at [TS]

  this point [TS]

  yeah but that's the early Joshua and [TS]

  Joshua comes to a rational morality at [TS]

  the end of the movie [TS]

  well if you define morality as you work [TS]

  the numbers and found I mean it I you [TS]

  may be arguing the same point you can't [TS]

  you can't win a nuclear war so so we [TS]

  need to not do that because yeah so [TS]

  let's try different game that you can [TS]

  win but he doesn't he doesn't make any [TS]

  distinction you you bet you bet you've [TS]

  asked me to do you have asked me to [TS]

  calculate a solution to the problem how [TS]

  do i what how do I win this war against [TS]

  the USSR it calculated solution which is [TS]

  the only way to win this game is to not [TS]

  to play it [TS]

  not that there is no more not that [TS]

  there's a moral imperative not to take [TS]

  human life not that metrolist sure [TS]

  discuss the destruction was a bad [TS]

  foreign policy to begin with but [TS]

  something that you've asked me a [TS]

  question the answer is 42 now it's up to [TS]

  you to figure out whether the questions [TS]

  with words was worth asking the same is [TS]

  the same as tactile he comes the same [TS]

  conclusion tecnico for it for the same [TS]

  reasons it's not because he cares about [TS]

  the x and the O's anymore than he cares [TS]

  about the people is just there the [TS]

  criteria the input is you win if if the [TS]

  people in the United States turned dead [TS]

  and here and all the numbers in Oregon [TS]

  said I think they did it but it's the [TS]

  dawning of his awareness he is your [TS]

  right is totally cold and calculate [TS]

  earlier on and the fact that i'm using a [TS]

  male pronoun to describe the computer [TS]

  program he does not have a penis i'm [TS]

  pretty sure i wanted to draw a parallel [TS]

  between Joshua and and falken because in [TS]

  in that last summer weight where we're [TS]

  going to circle back around to the front [TS]

  of the movie but in at last seen at the [TS]

  end [TS]

  falken is very peculiar if you watch [TS]

  that scene because he is sort of smiling [TS]

  the whole time like he knows how it's [TS]

  going to play out and and and when we [TS]

  first see him he's very fatalistic and [TS]

  thinks that you know humanity is going [TS]

  to be made extinct and I watching at [TS]

  this time i read that as falken knows [TS]

  how this computer is going to think and [TS]

  it's gonna end it is going to do what it [TS]

  needs to do and if that means blowing up [TS]

  all humanity that's fine so be it he may [TS]

  even know that it's inevitable that it's [TS]

  going to do it and that he's happy about [TS]

  that and then when he smiling he's [TS]

  watching Matthew Broderick walk through [TS]

  this whole process I think it's I think [TS]

  he's going through this same process [TS]

  that he knows the computer is going [TS]

  through where it's being flipped around [TS]

  its orientation is changing into not [TS]

  playing the game after all so I i saw a [TS]

  little parallel there that Vulcan knows [TS]

  what his computer is capable of at the [TS]

  beginning when he is convinced that [TS]

  humanity is going to destroy itself and [TS]

  then he's he knows exactly what is going [TS]

  to happen with matthew broderick [TS]

  figuring it out at the end because he [TS]

  he's not active really at all he's just [TS]

  kind of hanging around smiling and [TS]

  nodding like you'll figure it out [TS]

  he prides him in the right direction and [TS]

  also it may hit he does have the [TS]

  character he decided he could have just [TS]

  gone up to bed after you know again [TS]

  getting back to me but he decided [TS]

  instead of dialing his helicopter force [TS]

  up a change he changes his mind he [TS]

  decides to give humanity a chance [TS]

  through you know Matthew Broderick which [TS]

  is no substitutes what my son would [TS]

  might have been if he had grown older [TS]

  and it with the correct product and [TS]

  instruction he will figure out what is [TS]

  the solution that he you know making [TS]

  play tic-tac-toe basically and he's the [TS]

  guy who managed the easily he's the guy [TS]

  who basically gives Matthew Broderick [TS]

  characters that the past again ignore [TS]

  dad saying yeah you don't don't shoot [TS]

  this guy even though you think that he's [TS]

  the easy risky spy who actually who set [TS]

  this whole thing off [TS]

  I'm the guy who invented the system i'm [TS]

  telling you you gotta you gotta let him [TS]

  in [TS]

  yeah so I wanted to show so let's let's [TS]

  move let's move back to gallica Matthew [TS]

  Broderick is playing galaga in a in a in [TS]

  a in a video arcade I had to explain [TS]

  that they were backed by that and and [TS]

  and the the note i have here is just [TS]

  seeing Matthew Broderick from this [TS]

  period I can you know connected to [TS]

  ferris bueller's day off and I thought [TS]

  this is like Ferris Bueller's the day [TS]

  the earth stood still [TS]

  it's strange combination everybody's [TS]

  gonna sneak up behind him while he's [TS]

  playing the game [TS]

  yeah very strange i felt bad when I saw [TS]

  him playing galaga that it didn't look [TS]

  old to me everything [TS]

  nylon temporary and I said wait a second [TS]

  suppose look retro and although like now [TS]

  it's just Gallagher what's wrong with [TS]

  you [TS]

  that's one of the new games but you [TS]

  understand look at the graphics it and [TS]

  and Ally Sheedy you know there-there's [TS]

  ally sheedy we want to talk about Ally [TS]

  Sheedy she's I feel so bad about her in [TS]

  this movie poor ally sheedy she has to [TS]

  be the Manic Pixie dumb girl throughout [TS]

  this whole movie [TS]

  I feel so like I did not see this the [TS]

  first time I saw the movie and like they [TS]

  make her they make her manic they make [TS]

  her so dumb and her her bromance with [TS]

  Matthew broader is not believable in any [TS]

  way and he doesn't even seem interested [TS]

  in her and truth be told I was not [TS]

  interested in her when I first saw this [TS]

  movie because I wasn't old enough to be [TS]

  interested in her and now that i see her [TS]

  my call this part because she's a [TS]

  perfectly fine actress we see here in [TS]

  things later at you but here she's [TS]

  giving nothing to do [TS]

  she does not come off well and I felt [TS]

  terrible for the whole movie isn't she [TS]

  just the audience proxy to explain [TS]

  what's happening on the screen [TS]

  yeah she fills that role but do you have [TS]

  to make her seem so dumb to do I mean [TS]

  have you like that the you so seems like [TS]

  she's going up the stairs and a dastard [TS]

  a definite forward they make your not be [TS]

  able to read the word trajectory off the [TS]

  screen it's like come on give her a [TS]

  break okay that that was that was kind [TS]

  of harsh but it's good this in a movie [TS]

  like this is good to point out that [TS]

  Matthew Broderick's character is not [TS]

  socially normal and his interests are [TS]

  not normal relative to the other kids [TS]

  are in this movie [TS]

  and also i will say that though I agree [TS]

  with you that that you could have made [TS]

  her a little bit stronger and a little [TS]

  bit more together Atlantic there you [TS]

  could have deleted couples lines that [TS]

  made her look kind of ditzy but I would [TS]

  much rather see that then see the [TS]

  mistake that is not that modern movies [TS]

  make in the opposite direction which is [TS]

  to say well forecasting that girl team [TS]

  that's going to like be with Matthew [TS]

  product she has to be every bit as good [TS]

  as Matthew broader she has to know as [TS]

  much about computers know she will have [TS]

  to have been the person who invented the [TS]

  computer that Matthew Broderick is using [TS]

  like know what if she's just worried [TS]

  what if she's strong in her own way she [TS]

  doesn't have to be the female version of [TS]

  the male lead which i think i think it's [TS]

  just a sexist time to take a break and [TS]

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  the only thing that saves there is that [TS]

  her manic pixie honest it's as if she's [TS]

  lifted from a movie with a Manic Pixie [TS]

  dream girl made the Manic Pixie dream [TS]

  girl and then the rest of the movie [TS]

  doesn't care because she doesn't affect [TS]

  the other characters in the way that [TS]

  she's supposed to she doesn't like they [TS]

  don't react to her so she's allowed to [TS]

  sort of exists in a more naturalistic [TS]

  way as just kind of an excitable teenage [TS]

  girl without her mere presence being [TS]

  life-changing to the dreary people who [TS]

  are you know you don't mean so there's [TS]

  there's that really from it and she's [TS]

  not the woman who comes off of the worst [TS]

  in this movie I think I just that like I [TS]

  would have liked her to have had a [TS]

  little bit too i think that the things [TS]

  that she had to do was focus on f1 was [TS]

  late in a later scene she's the one who [TS]

  realizes that the bond between a father [TS]

  and son is such that the child's name [TS]

  might be the password and Matthew [TS]

  Broderick is not emotionally equipped to [TS]

  make that connection so she does that so [TS]

  she has a little bit more emotional [TS]

  intelligence that he does and she you [TS]

  know moves the plot along an axis [TS]

  support for him which is kind of a [TS]

  subordinate role but it's it's better [TS]

  than just being manic all the time but [TS]

  but in general I felt like she was not [TS]

  respected as much by the movie as i [TS]

  would have liked and I agree with andy [TS]

  it would have been worse if she had to [TS]

  be the scientist that invented the [TS]

  computer because that is totally a [TS]

  modern thing she's getting an A in [TS]

  English we should I couldn't but she is [TS]

  getting an A in English she's not they [TS]

  didn't make her bad and everything she's [TS]

  getting an A in English you give her [TS]

  morals just don't change my grade but [TS]

  you can see my next step [TS]

  this is what i was going to say is that [TS]

  that support that's a point where they [TS]

  missed an opportunity because i really [TS]

  like that scene where she says no and [TS]

  you get the sense like oh well you see [TS]

  Matthew Broderick has no morals he if he [TS]

  does he's gonna if he can use technology [TS]

  to do it [TS]

  he will do it and but then they back off [TS]

  of it where she comes and she says he [TS]

  had changed my grade anyway and I think [TS]

  she does that because she's supposed to [TS]

  be like oh she likes the boy so she [TS]

  feels bad about snubbing him and that's [TS]

  another sort of subordinate oh I'm sorry [TS]

  that expressing my feelings might have [TS]

  been offensive to the mail so i have to [TS]

  go back and be submissive and say it's [TS]

  okay i didn't like the she changed her [TS]

  mind and I didn't I [TS]

  I'm trying to figure why they made you [TS]

  change your mind and it seemed to me she [TS]

  changed it because she wants still [TS]

  wanted to have this friendship with or [TS]

  whatever with matthew broderick and she [TS]

  felt that she might have offended him by [TS]

  so strongly voicing their concern that [TS]

  the great be changed [TS]

  I didn't see that the only reason she's [TS]

  there is two to borrow a phrase from [TS]

  another much much worse movie about tech [TS]

  stuff [TS]

  the net i'm working on this Miller when [TS]

  when they were doing the press for that [TS]

  and dennis miller is like Sandra [TS]

  Bullock's friend in the movie and and he [TS]

  needed this interview where he explained [TS]

  that he was the expositional eunuch and [TS]

  i love that phrase and is it [TS]

  he's there to explain things or have [TS]

  things explained to him because [TS]

  otherwise there's no reason for anyone [TS]

  to explain these things you know I mean [TS]

  the audience needs to know them but [TS]

  there's no logical reason so she has to [TS]

  be an idiot so that everyone can explain [TS]

  well this is a modem and this is how you [TS]

  dial to other computers and this is how [TS]

  you do this and say you do that and but [TS]

  yeah I kind of wish you were not quite [TS]

  so does she could be ignorant being [TS]

  ignorant is fine right but being a [TS]

  seeming to be not like intelligent and [TS]

  areas that aren't related to computers [TS]

  this like adding insult to injury is not [TS]

  necessary though I think they did a good [TS]

  job when when there is no sort of [TS]

  expositional unit in the room for [TS]

  example again when when Matthew [TS]

  Broderick's up and and mckettricks [TS]

  office hacking away at the terminal [TS]

  because I left him alone in room with [TS]

  the computer because their dump he reads [TS]

  aloud everything that comes on the [TS]

  screen probably mostly just to make sure [TS]

  that the kids in the audience who can't [TS]

  read I can't read that fast following [TS]

  along but it also gives him a chance to [TS]

  act and it i mean it kind of occurred to [TS]

  me this time around but in general I [TS]

  still think it sounded kind of [TS]

  naturalistic he's reading the words on [TS]

  the screen out loud to himself in a way [TS]

  that doesn't come off as like oh they're [TS]

  just doing that so we in the audience [TS]

  like it just seems to flow from me [TS]

  music was in the movie a million times [TS]

  but it just goes to show if there's no [TS]

  one there to 4x additional purposes it's [TS]

  fine for the one person in the room to [TS]

  just read everything allowed as he reads [TS]

  it types it [TS]

  well she also she also gives him that [TS]

  emotional intelligence which we [TS]

  mentioned earlier which i think is true [TS]

  and also very importantly she gives him [TS]

  a ride later so you know she's like i'll [TS]

  pick you up [TS]

  I surprise him at the airport don't [TS]

  think you know what would you see that [TS]

  in a modern movie the male hero riding [TS]

  on the back of a moped with a female i [TS]

  think that's it that's it that's where [TS]

  she jogs to his house as well those two [TS]

  scenes I think make her more interesting [TS]

  character because I i don't think that [TS]

  they would allow the pretty girl love [TS]

  interest in a modern movie to be the [TS]

  driver of the moped or but isn't doesn't [TS]

  that just try and I mean use her to [TS]

  reinforce Matthew Broderick's nerdom [TS]

  that this is a city should really I [TS]

  think she really is playing the role of [TS]

  dr. Watson in this where she is that he [TS]

  is she she is the person says by Jove's [TS]

  how did you determine that and then [TS]

  expect then he's also the one who has to [TS]

  be the the former military person who [TS]

  can ride a moped because you're Sherlock [TS]

  Holmes intellectually knows how to know [TS]

  how a moped works but doesn't know how [TS]

  to operate one I i do see we're coming [TS]

  from with this with this line John I [TS]

  just I just didn't see it I didn't see [TS]

  it at all when I was a kid it just say [TS]

  seeing is an adult now so many of the [TS]

  things that are sort of retrograde [TS]

  socially speaking jump out at you and [TS]

  it's a strange mix again with her with [TS]

  her doing that like jogging to the house [TS]

  is the one that really blew my mind [TS]

  because again didn't remember that at [TS]

  all like that set it would you have the [TS]

  you know the female lead in a movie jog [TS]

  to the house of boys should be all [TS]

  sweaty when she got there but she [TS]

  doesn't care this character doesn't care [TS]

  she's also anyone she got this year and [TS]

  there because she likes to run because [TS]

  running is fun like she's more of a [TS]

  tomboy and interesting sort of [TS]

  well-rounded character [TS]

  whereas if you put you know if it's [TS]

  megan fox if he's jogging the house is [TS]

  going to be in this cute jogging outfit [TS]

  and it's going to be all about like [TS]

  we're going out jogging she's not gonna [TS]

  that's not going to be the way she [TS]

  transports herself to go over the house [TS]

  of the boy that she's interested in [TS]

  silver linings playbook [TS]

  yeah that's better executed happen you [TS]

  know then that is definitely not a [TS]

  stereotypical [TS]

  you know eighties romance type thing I [TS]

  think I think it's more like she's the [TS]

  opposite of matthew broderick in every [TS]

  way and the movie has two is always [TS]

  looking for opportunities to show that [TS]

  this is something that Matthew Broderick [TS]

  either can't do or has no interest in [TS]

  doing all the way up to [TS]

  okay that's no problem the the time that [TS]

  we missed last ferry but it's only about [TS]

  a half mile away will just swim it and [TS]

  like what kinda like blank is like the [TS]

  third finger left doesn't know how to [TS]

  swim [TS]

  oh okay I thought there'd be time okay [TS]

  well I mean that works out it's good [TS]

  seeing their yeah like you know that I [TS]

  think that works emotionally in terms of [TS]

  them realizing they're all gonna die but [TS]

  I think she's I think her character is [TS]

  all over the place and I think if you [TS]

  took out a few of the things that make [TS]

  her seemed like i said i we my wife and [TS]

  I had this conversation because she's [TS]

  gotten a an English and yet they're the [TS]

  her interaction about the crossword [TS]

  puzzles kind of bizarre like waiting no [TS]

  we know she's a good student in I I knew [TS]

  lots of people like they were good in [TS]

  humanities and couldn't I I friend of [TS]

  mine in high school you know I knew her [TS]

  only from chemistry and she said all I [TS]

  didn't chemistry was taking up oxygen [TS]

  that's that's all she did but she was [TS]

  she was great English guess this is also [TS]

  this is 30 years ago and they didn't [TS]

  know how women work then huh [TS]

  some of that is true although well Polly [TS]

  the Hollywood yeah that's right and she [TS]

  is it's hard for me to to objectively [TS]

  look at alley shooting this movie too [TS]

  because she is constructed to be every [TS]

  computer nerd fantasy of this computer [TS]

  is really cool girl and she's gonna be [TS]

  interested in learning about the stuff i [TS]

  like she could jog over the house we're [TS]

  gonna have a conversation is consistent [TS]

  things about feelings that whatever [TS]

  she's going to open the door and I'm [TS]

  going to not have my shirt on for no [TS]

  reason you have to have been looking at [TS]

  your browser beefcake and there's like [TS]

  who is that for example I mean maybe he [TS]

  was a sex symbol but it's not like he's [TS]

  like cut like Matthew McConaughey or [TS]

  something it's just kind of like he's a [TS]

  computer nerd with his shirt off [TS]

  well you know the getting into the whole [TS]

  body dysmorphia issues that the Nerds [TS]

  later in the movie bring about he was [TS]

  idealized in every way even as a nerd [TS]

  yeah I suppose that's true although like [TS]

  I find that the lack of sexual tension [TS]

  like the lack of over like oh you see [TS]

  like this [TS]

  the whole there's no plot line for [TS]

  Matthew Broderick is obsessed with ally [TS]

  sheedy and like has a crush on her [TS]

  there's no red like when she comes in he [TS]

  doesn't quickly hide himself like he's [TS]

  embarrassed by his dirty underwear but [TS]

  like it's so beautifully sweet and naive [TS]

  in terms of like everything is so sexed [TS]

  up now that these two would have to just [TS]

  have this constant hot sexual attraction [TS]

  and like the big moments believes they [TS]

  kiss barely on the cheek a kiss on the [TS]

  cheek a bunch right you get it [TS]

  well they kiss on the lips that kiss on [TS]

  the lips later but but she comes in the [TS]

  room and he doesn't go oh I can't have [TS]

  my shirt on he's not like a baby look at [TS]

  me and she's not leaving that no one is [TS]

  leaving at anyone know it which is [TS]

  probably idealized you know because [TS]

  realistically speaking teenage boys are [TS]

  just you know balls of hormones but it's [TS]

  it's just so nice to see a movie where [TS]

  that that's not even like a subplot like [TS]

  it doesn't get in the way of the rest of [TS]

  the movie we don't care for two of them [TS]

  get together that's not what this movie [TS]

  is about [TS]

  yeah I give if this were made today [TS]

  maybe the sexual tension she'd be his [TS]

  equal and everything and he would [TS]

  probably turn out to be dr. Falcons real [TS]

  son and she would look a lot differently [TS]

  though [TS]

  Joshua would have a robot body yes of [TS]

  course it would shift will be Megan Fox [TS]

  basically so so um take it so i want to [TS]

  mention a couple things about about the [TS]

  mark matthew broderick in his house the [TS]

  take out the garbage you need to take [TS]

  out the garbage seen struck me because I [TS]

  realized that the entire Justin Long [TS]

  character in galaxy quest is just mad [TS]

  that Roderick for more games including [TS]

  they play like all the same scenes it's [TS]

  he literally is going to take out the [TS]

  garbage at an important point in the [TS]

  plot of galaxy quest so I hadn't really [TS]

  thought about that but that is [TS]

  completely just a wargames reference if [TS]

  you watch galaxy quest and both the dog [TS]

  saves the world by the way by knocking [TS]

  over the garbage can both the dog saved [TS]

  the entire world that's what I realized [TS]

  this thing because it during that during [TS]

  that simulation was running no one was [TS]

  there to tell them it's a simulation [TS]

  almost there anything like that he [TS]

  interrupt because the dog knocked it [TS]

  over because his parents were stirring [TS]

  and made him get off the computer right [TS]

  now and fix the garbage he quit the [TS]

  program by turning off the computer and [TS]

  dropping the carrier and automatically [TS]

  cease the simulation so it was a [TS]

  simulation was still going but it didn't [TS]

  continue along with the pace of business [TS]

  that [TS]

  out if it had proceeded apace with him [TS]

  at the computer and had not gone down [TS]

  there that would be it came over so get [TS]

  the dog [TS]

  thank you I'm overworld over i wanted to [TS]

  mention the his parents eating raw corn [TS]

  it's just one of the most bizarre what [TS]

  was with the bread with the butter i [TS]

  asked my wife is consistent with you [TS]

  know what does that something that [TS]

  anyone in this podcast does when you put [TS]

  butter on the bread and then you roll [TS]

  the corn and know that more in order nor [TS]

  did I remember that that was bizarre and [TS]

  then the corn is raw and it's just like [TS]

  a wacky let's do i do joke at the matter [TS]

  is that I remember because my mom was [TS]

  gonna like that mateys [TS]

  that was really weird and then in a [TS]

  moment when the when he sets up the [TS]

  dialing and he's explaining that he's [TS]

  dialing all the numbers and I thought [TS]

  you had a war dialer oh right from what [TS]

  games did all the old-timers used to [TS]

  call that a demon dieter program but now [TS]

  it's just were dialing because because [TS]

  of war games [TS]

  I had a I had a 300 baud modem at this [TS]

  at this period and I did do some more [TS]

  dialing and the best I ever came up with [TS]

  I didn't get to the secret government [TS]

  research station or did nor did I able [TS]

  was able to proclaim provision [TS]

  I have you now instead I found like the [TS]

  local hospitals billing system free [TS]

  health care for everybody that was a fun [TS]

  time when every computer assume that oh [TS]

  well if you have this number and you [TS]

  know and we have a piece of equipment [TS]

  connect I just assume that you've got [TS]

  authorization to be here so so many of [TS]

  these things didn't even ask for a [TS]

  password its just oh here's a menu of [TS]

  everything I know how to do [TS]

  thank you that time is not that long ago [TS]

  because i was in college in the nineties [TS]

  and our College in the nineties at the [TS]

  dawning of the internet had to write [TS]

  permissions on for everyone's TTYL and [TS]

  the entire university which you know [TS]

  which meant you could send messages to [TS]

  anyone screen anywhere you like the the [TS]

  the age of free love on the internet [TS]

  that's a long time so yeah you dolled up [TS]

  in a motor it would answer and show you [TS]

  the menu and right up into the nineties [TS]

  if you're online with the school of [TS]

  30,000 people you can write a ski snails [TS]

  their screen to your heart's content [TS]

  that change like a year and a half and [TS]

  why because some kids had a ruin it for [TS]

  everybody [TS]

  guilty as charged I i had a friend who [TS]

  used to be like work for MIT of the MIT [TS]

  police as they're like tech security guy [TS]

  and he used to love the first like month [TS]

  of a brand new semester we went all of [TS]

  these kids who are like King Kong of [TS]

  their scope of their school in terms of [TS]

  work and I've i can break into the spell [TS]

  checker of my about my teachers of my [TS]

  teachers laptop underwear that yeah [TS]

  guess what I've seen every trick you've [TS]

  ever done because most of them were [TS]

  invented here and I invented some of [TS]

  them hope you hope you enjoyed your four [TS]

  days at MIT before we booted you out for [TS]

  for violation of the agreement that you [TS]

  signed a nice story for mom so some some [TS]

  technology notes here I he's dialing [TS]

  from Seattle to the bay area and she [TS]

  asks is not expensive and he says there [TS]

  are ways around that so there's your [TS]

  phone phreaking reference if you go to [TS]

  jail for that she says I remember that [TS]

  entire entire conversation verbatim i [TS]

  was able to quote that only carry out [TS]

  only you only if you're 18 connection [TS]

  terminated [TS]

  how rude is another thing i wrote down [TS]

  because I thought that was pretty funny [TS]

  and then i wrote down here and I John [TS]

  how rude and and i wrote this down for [TS]

  Jon he's got one of those monitors that [TS]

  make a beep sound every time it prints a [TS]

  letter on the screen I i have that [TS]

  rundown and what I wanted what my [TS]

  question my notes is is this for that [TS]

  started because it is perfectly monitors [TS]

  makes it like it is done every every [TS]

  time a word come to screen BB BB i love [TS]

  that ever since then I want and I want [TS]

  every computer I own to do that to make [TS]

  some sort of noise to indicate that it's [TS]

  actually working on some know it to [TS]

  indicate that visual and text appearing [TS]

  on the screen because you get you can [TS]

  see with your eyes but what if you did [TS]

  if it didn't make a noise really be on [TS]

  the screen really but this you know this [TS]

  this this it's that's that's an [TS]

  interesting thing to point out because [TS]

  historically like the the three minute [TS]

  mile of moviemaking has been how do you [TS]

  make text appearing on the screen and or [TS]

  people typing into and anyway an [TS]

  interesting scene in a movie [TS]

  it practically can't be [TS]

  that I think this might be the only [TS]

  movie that ever really pulled it off [TS]

  maybe maybe that and desk set but that [TS]

  was like when teletypes in the nineteen [TS]

  fifties anyway the Sprint racing [TS]

  katharine hepburn so automatically if [TS]

  there are running a computer that they [TS]

  could be operating a CPM machine and [TS]

  that would still be interesting but it's [TS]

  proof and i have to say like if there's [TS]

  an older movie than this that does the [TS]

  BB text on screen because it I in the [TS]

  chat room i mentioned alien does this at [TS]

  the beginning it's got the same readout [TS]

  then every day I so i assume did [TS]

  predated but like it is it saturates [TS]

  this movie and and I and it's ok but [TS]

  like the way they make that the computer [TS]

  interesting is movie I don't think it's [TS]

  the beeping it's the pacing is the [TS]

  pacing of the interaction the fact that [TS]

  there's an AI on the other side of the [TS]

  thing makes it interesting it's like [TS]

  interacting with how and they have these [TS]

  pregnant pauses before you know [TS]

  variable-length pregnant pauses for [TS]

  maximum dramatic effect you know when [TS]

  things come back we're up to the we have [TS]

  the the we have the fat engineer and the [TS]

  Urkel engineer you might want to look [TS]

  for a back door was this before or after [TS]

  revenge of the nerds before prototypical [TS]

  nerds [TS]

  yeah I the the part that stood out to me [TS]

  in that scene is the terrible terrible [TS]

  program he says whenever I designed a [TS]

  system i always put in a simple password [TS]

  you're a terrible print like do not let [TS]

  this person right any security-related [TS]

  code like this but I mean it's funny [TS]

  because a lot of these security problems [TS]

  are still problems right there are still [TS]

  back bad back doors there are still [TS]

  passwords written down on pieces of [TS]

  paper that people can go see ya at the [TS]

  things written down on a piece of paper [TS]

  like this was the age before good [TS]

  passwords but so that's why it's pencil [TS]

  and Joshua over at least Joshua was [TS]

  mixed case right but they the culture [TS]

  now surrounding if you are a computer [TS]

  nerd no self-respecting computer would [TS]

  ever say i right [TS]

  you know every program that i write [TS]

  personally I put in a back door because [TS]

  that's like the worst thing you could [TS]

  possibly do and when we find out this [TS]

  like back doors on these routers or [TS]

  printers and other things we think the [TS]

  people who who wrote the code for them [TS]

  are terrible and the worst programmers [TS]

  ever but here i think if I think they're [TS]

  that this guy i think this guy [TS]

  yeah it was like a badge of honor now to [TS]

  even know what the back door is don't [TS]

  tell him about backdoors like it was [TS]

  again it wasn't naive error where before [TS]

  there was but in the modern era he comes [TS]

  off as a doof [TS]

  but but it happens I mean I reserve I [TS]

  don't write don't remember specifics or [TS]

  the last time I heard about this but you [TS]

  want you sometimes do here about an [TS]

  admin who decided to leave in an [TS]

  insurance policy just in case it doesn't [TS]

  it doesn't gets fired and he does not [TS]

  like the conditions under which he was [TS]

  fired [TS]

  oh yeah yeah but we condemn those people [TS]

  now though I'm just like exactly know [TS]

  that this work we would we be condemning [TS]

  those people too but these are these are [TS]

  people who are like Matthew Broderick [TS]

  technically should not have been trying [TS]

  to get into that games company even if [TS]

  even if it weren't actually the the [TS]

  secret nuclear missile firing computer [TS]

  he's just he's doing things because he [TS]

  feels as though because he has because [TS]

  this computer is a world in which he can [TS]

  have godlike powers of creation that [TS]

  means that all morality inside this [TS]

  world he has created his career is all [TS]

  sank to all Sanctus all sanctimonious in [TS]

  the eyes of the Lord because he is the [TS]

  Lord so that's that's something he [TS]

  concerned that something that I i [TS]

  imagine that person actually thinking up [TS]

  it's okay for me to put it back door and [TS]

  because the the f after this contract is [TS]

  finished they're gonna screw something [TS]

  up they're gonna come back to me and i [TS]

  can either spend four weeks trying to [TS]

  figure out what they did or i can simply [TS]

  walk right into the the kitty door in [TS]

  the back and actually fixed form [TS]

  yeah it's just funny because he was [TS]

  supposed to be like the mature competent [TS]

  one playing off of the screechie [TS]

  obnoxious overexcited one and the mature [TS]

  confident ones calm down little kid and [TS]

  let me tell you everything I write a [TS]

  program i do it terribly but the heat [TS]

  yes miss Potato Head this potato head [TS]

  and then another scene that I can speak [TS]

  for Batum this scene i think it can can [TS]

  we take a moment to praise the skills of [TS]

  mr. Eddie deezen he he is one of those [TS]

  character ask actors who had that that [TS]

  those five magical years where the Eddie [TS]

  deezen perfume was just in the air and [TS]

  every casting office and get in three [TS]

  times a day or three times a week so i [TS]

  would say get me and Eddie deezen type [TS]

  and but first check to see if Eddie [TS]

  deezen is available he was in 1941 he [TS]

  was an ivan reitman is first movie I [TS]

  want to help hold your hand every time [TS]

  playing and Eddie deezen character but [TS]

  if you're in if you're an eighties [TS]

  filmmaker that's everything you wanted [TS]

  and all the marin by everybody [TS]

  yeah he is [TS]

  he is of a kind right he he is he is [TS]

  what he is [TS]

  you get is the kind is the prototype is [TS]

  the one they made a mold from and as [TS]

  well as much as we don't like these ugly [TS]

  stereotypes about like nerds about our [TS]

  types of people unfortunately i would we [TS]

  all know Eddie deezen types we all know [TS]

  the the slovenly unshaven I always leave [TS]

  in the back door types [TS]

  hey I'm not talking about me and I [TS]

  didn't say the names [TS]

  exactly Greg and by the way back door [TS]

  tech mean something different now does [TS]

  you know that's the first the fourth [TS]

  really good show title we've had so far [TS]

  i'm glad that I'm glad the furthest [TS]

  first one that was not investment by [TS]

  John siracusa speaking of speaking of [TS]

  boring there's a lot of good library for [TS]

  people to see like the shots of the card [TS]

  catalog and microfilm ok so i was gonna [TS]

  say it [TS]

  this would not be an eighties movie [TS]

  where they're not a montage and in this [TS]

  case it is a montage of research with [TS]

  card catalogs and microfilm like in a [TS]

  movie about tech you're like oh yeah [TS]

  that tech wasn't really in the libraries [TS]

  that much he's in the card catalogs man [TS]

  and it's you know and he's looking [TS]

  things up and in the newspapers and [TS]

  there is zooming in on things that are [TS]

  clearly typewritten onto index cards [TS]

  like that's how he finds the information [TS]

  no it was said that you know it as the [TS]

  the children of a librarian we had to [TS]

  explain to our children what these [TS]

  things were like what it what are they [TS]

  doing right there in the computer well [TS]

  they had this drawer with cards is that [TS]

  yeah it was there was some there was [TS]

  some excitement to the card catalog is [TS]

  as a kid who experienced it like it some [TS]

  both something kind of like sacred [TS]

  likelike church where because even when [TS]

  computers were available this was [TS]

  different and everything was quiet and [TS]

  the library would teach you how to use [TS]

  the card catalog and all that is lost on [TS]

  anybody watching this movie in the [TS]

  modern era but who never did this [TS]

  because it just seems like some kind of [TS]

  anachronistic montage fill the things I [TS]

  don't understand [TS]

  remember the first time that you [TS]

  discover the reader's guide to [TS]

  periodical alleged literature [TS]

  oh yeah and your relative way but there [TS]

  is this there is this regular monthly [TS]

  series of hard bound books that will [TS]

  tell you to find every piece of timely [TS]

  information ever made and if i simply [TS]

  write this down on the [TS]

  piece of paper a librarian will give me [TS]

  this little magazine or this trade [TS]

  journal that is Magic that that was [TS]

  another one of those points of [TS]

  intersection with real life that I [TS]

  absolutely loved about this movie about [TS]

  how sometimes to solve a problem you [TS]

  can't do it in a linear straightforward [TS]

  fashion you really do have to say I'm [TS]

  gonna have to learn everything I [TS]

  possibly can about this subject and i [TS]

  will only be able to see the answer once [TS]

  i see the entire world of information [TS]

  around this answer and yeah I was one of [TS]

  those kids who knew the new but the high [TS]

  school library the the public library [TS]

  and even the city library very very well [TS]

  because the first time that you realize [TS]

  that I need this piece of really [TS]

  technical information that I have no [TS]

  idea where to go for and then four weeks [TS]

  later you're actually your open envelope [TS]

  and here is an actual set of data plans [TS]

  from the patent filing for this thing [TS]

  you want to learn about or here is a [TS]

  technical paper written by the person [TS]

  who invented this because you decided [TS]

  you went to the good research library at [TS]

  bu and they found that they found this [TS]

  person's PhD dissertation which he [TS]

  explained everything there was to know [TS]

  about this video system like oh this is [TS]

  really this is real power [TS]

  I'm 14 years old and I stride this land [TS]

  like a colossus so Matthew Broderick [TS]

  becomes an expert on professor Falken [TS]

  and discovers that he's dead he died he [TS]

  was pretty old is 4141 screw you method [TS]

  rhetoric that doesn't that's another [TS]

  joke that i did not get first time I saw [TS]

  this movie in fact that supposed to be a [TS]

  joke because when I was a kid I I think [TS]

  I thought that was a hold when we saw it [TS]

  that's how old my parents were so they [TS]

  didn't laugh uh uh oh it's funny it's [TS]

  very funny and they figure out that his [TS]

  his son his son who died this Joshua and [TS]

  wherein shall we play a game the voice [TS]

  synthesis that he turns on so that we [TS]

  have some drama [TS]

  other than the boot of the of the text [TS]

  and I believe that's the actor who plays [TS]

  falken going through like a voc order or [TS]

  something I think that's a I think [TS]

  that's because it's [TS]

  in English accent and it's basically his [TS]

  accent so i think it actually is the [TS]

  same guy i don't know that for sure [TS]

  sounds like him that there's a lot of [TS]

  affectation to the voices because it's [TS]

  not it's not like Fred where it's like a [TS]

  you know take that little english sounds [TS]

  and build the words out of them with a [TS]

  couple special cases so i believe that [TS]

  it is an accurate but it's but it's [TS]

  affected in a way that it sounds like it [TS]

  doesn't it makes mistakes it says things [TS]

  in strange ways it works for dramatic [TS]

  effect but it's not dramatic in the way [TS]

  that human would read its dramatic in an [TS]

  alien kind of way like sort of halting [TS]

  strangely paste things running together [TS]

  with weird pauses where they shouldn't [TS]

  be I mean it's probably it's probably [TS]

  just because i saw when i was younger [TS]

  whatever but the voice still works for [TS]

  me it doesn't sound didn't sound dated [TS]

  sounds ominous interesting an alien [TS]

  people probably would have been familiar [TS]

  with the current Kurzweil had a really [TS]

  good voice of that text voice system [TS]

  that was used for that was mostly used [TS]

  for people who couldn't speak properly [TS]

  and so but had that it would say was it [TS]

  was unique enough that there was [TS]

  actually a radio station the locally [TS]

  that had access to that text access to [TS]

  that box and was using it for like [TS]

  character voices and so yeah it's I i [TS]

  would be I'd be shocked if it weren't if [TS]

  you weren't a real actor but no I think [TS]

  it's john would I think it's a great [TS]

  place dr. Falconer because it's even got [TS]

  his English accent it's a strange it's [TS]

  like all the voices because Stephen [TS]

  Hawking is famous for having an American [TS]

  accent for his computer voice because [TS]

  even though he's English his computer [TS]

  voice has an American accent this is the [TS]

  reverse where he flips on the [TS]

  text-to-speech and what we get is an [TS]

  English accent that sounds strangely [TS]

  like dr. Falcon and I never really [TS]

  noticed that before but this time it's [TS]

  it's totally him that's that and so it's [TS]

  it's processed and he's speaking in that [TS]

  stilted affected it's a computer voice [TS]

  kind of thing but it's meant to have us [TS]

  feel like this is his you know in the [TS]

  end since we know that this is his [TS]

  creation [TS]

  it's meant to sort of reflect him a [TS]

  little bit and this is where we get all [TS]

  the famous things that everybody [TS]

  remembers shall we play a game and and [TS]

  and we can we keep talking and there's [TS]

  tab there's some tabs are drinking some [TS]

  tab assignment it's a past see that [TS]

  that's that's how we know that they they [TS]

  feel there is [TS]

  no future there they will drink soda [TS]

  with Sakura in it will create tab i was [TS]

  gonna say we don't really notice the [TS]

  voice because we meet Joshua first right [TS]

  so it doesn't seem odd that they sound [TS]

  similar we get a wii any fan of the [TS]

  events will know that multiple what is [TS]

  it [TS]

  multiple inbound re-entry vehicles is [TS]

  Merv's Merv's here is merv from from the [TS]

  abyss but here that matter brother [TS]

  doesn't know what they are i don't know [TS]

  but it's great right whatever I learned [TS]

  from a video game uh verbs i learned [TS]

  from the abyss [TS]

  I didn't have noticed how much ascii art [TS]

  there was this movie like a lot of the [TS]

  graphics that appear on the screen for [TS]

  that US map like it has like upside-down [TS]

  fees for the you know for the warheads [TS]

  splitting but it's all on character [TS]

  boundaries you know i guess i guess that [TS]

  some of these raster graphics I think [TS]

  there's a lot of ascii art mix them well [TS]

  and his computer is ask your I think the [TS]

  idea there was that how would how would [TS]

  they get graphics across this little [TS]

  modem right so it's the text art and [TS]

  then they go to the actual at NORAD it's [TS]

  got its got you know the the vector [TS]

  based there you know stuff that they've [TS]

  got on the screen [TS]

  yeah and i think this the joshua seen I [TS]

  think it's the same when Joshua first [TS]

  calls him back and that i believe is the [TS]

  first instance of what i would consider [TS]

  it to be like the the theme music for [TS]

  war games when Joshua calls about that I [TS]

  start playing that creepy war games [TS]

  music which I can't [TS]

  and now that I think of it I can't like [TS]

  playback in my head but as soon as I [TS]

  hear like oh that's the war games music [TS]

  that's the dramatic more games music and [TS]

  it runs throughout the rest of the film [TS]

  or less is kind of a theme but it's [TS]

  going to take that long in the movie for [TS]

  that music to come in we get take us to [TS]

  DEFCON 3 so def con i think is not [TS]

  something anybody knew of before this [TS]

  this is where it comes from and of [TS]

  course any any true wargames nerd will [TS]

  know that def con five is the best kind [TS]

  of Def Con and def con one is world war [TS]

  three and people get that wrong all the [TS]

  time but if you see more games you know [TS]

  but anyway they take us to DEFCON 3 [TS]

  because they're a little worried and [TS]

  they make up the big sign that they can [TS]

  we just talk about the room the room [TS]

  that's in yeah def con side I hope they [TS]

  don't make a6 defcon because they only [TS]

  they bought the sign with the five there [TS]

  is their [TS]

  lightboxes it always expanded its the [TS]

  NORAD control room it's like [TS]

  NORAD control room it's like [TS]

  it's like the apollo mission control [TS]

  room at NORAD right but but that is that [TS]

  is a massive set that is a huge set that [TS]

  must have been like the biggest [TS]

  soundstage they could find and I was [TS]

  shocked watching this movie again it how [TS]

  big and impressive that room is you [TS]

  would think call it was probably you [TS]

  know compare compared to modern movies [TS]

  surely it's not gonna be but modern [TS]

  movies always put all the screens and [TS]

  everything like a small cramped space [TS]

  and that set where so much of this movie [TS]

  takes place is still impressive to this [TS]

  day as a practical effect and everything [TS]

  they do with that set with the lights [TS]

  out later and and the mood and how you [TS]

  can have people running around and how [TS]

  much stuff you can shoot on that you can [TS]

  see they dumped all their money into [TS]

  that set and it was money well spent i [TS]

  think totally holds up even though it's [TS]

  ridiculous obviously but i think it [TS]

  works like the mission control sets in [TS]

  apollo 13 but it's so much bigger it's [TS]

  just huge it's like the football field [TS]

  practical and they got all those well [TS]

  IMA to blow up the world it takes a lot [TS]

  of people so and they got those screens [TS]

  i guess they must have front projection [TS]

  I'm trying to figure out how they even [TS]

  did those because those those are I mean [TS]

  I'm assuming that's all in camera and if [TS]

  you were in that room it would those [TS]

  graphics would be on those giant screens [TS]

  that must have been a bunch of movie [TS]

  projectors and then the graphics had [TS]

  that like i said i have it straight like [TS]

  like a victory kind of look which is it [TS]

  actually has the I I assume it's even [TS]

  the same people who built those graphics [TS]

  did the graphics in max headroom a few [TS]

  years later maybe any maybe there was [TS]

  similar to the hitchhiker's guide to the [TS]

  galaxy TV series it's it's it's this [TS]

  interesting style of the time to have [TS]

  something that didn't look like they're [TS]

  trying to envision computer output that [TS]

  wasn't just you know little dots on a [TS]

  screen that go boom as they come out [TS]

  like he asked me aren't ya [TS]

  well but that without that I thought I [TS]

  thought that was perfectly accurate [TS]

  because if you if you're making if [TS]

  you're making it for the technology that [TS]

  time if you wanted smooth lines from [TS]

  puts both graphs for point A to point B [TS]

  that means i can scale up and scale down [TS]

  you couldn't do these big rasters things [TS]

  you really did have to do he really did [TS]

  have to do these vectors style stuff it [TS]

  and actually and I were in in in college [TS]

  in college and high school even I was [TS]

  seeing displays that were just like that [TS]

  only only they're just green phosphor [TS]

  but yeah we are now at DEFCON 2 by the [TS]

  way things and I just want to let [TS]

  everybody [TS]

  that I've said it yet and I have to [TS]

  think like all all the graphics that [TS]

  appear a appear on that screen those [TS]

  graphics define athletically speaking [TS]

  nuclear Armageddon for me because I see [TS]

  in my head the lines coming down the [TS]

  circles expanding out the circle is [TS]

  expanding at an overlapping the repeated [TS]

  lines the arcs from over the poles and [TS]

  everything like that is just burned in [TS]

  my brain is like when you envision world [TS]

  war three I just see the I see the light [TS]

  of the vector lines the electron what's [TS]

  supposed to be the electron beam [TS]

  sweeping over the poles from Russia the [TS]

  lines coming down the circles covering [TS]

  the map that I know with a bunch of [TS]

  circles and the same thing going to [TS]

  reverse direction and the subs and the [TS]

  way they move the cameras around on on [TS]

  those screens and showing it i don't i [TS]

  don't think it's been equal buying other [TS]

  movie trying to convey basically they're [TS]

  focusing the camera on screens screens [TS]

  showing visualizations and now we have [TS]

  such amazing visualizations with these [TS]

  amazing 3d graphics and they show us [TS]

  sweeping through a building and here's [TS]

  where we're going to infiltrate in block [TS]

  that I find like it doesn't read as well [TS]

  as this does this is so simple so [TS]

  straightforward and and so-and-so effect [TS]

  it's because it's abstract that it's [TS]

  chilling yes exactly and it's not like [TS]

  they don't [TS]

  we're not it's clear at least I don't [TS]

  think we're supposed to be impressed by [TS]

  the graphics were not like wow look at [TS]

  these visualizations we are saddened and [TS]

  frightened by what the graphics [TS]

  represent right and that scene is [TS]

  chillin where they get the three guys on [TS]

  the line who are going to be the first [TS]

  ones to blow up and uh and every i think [TS]

  it's it's a little bit it's referencing [TS]

  failsafe because it's the same kind of [TS]

  thing and failsafe where they're they're [TS]

  listening and when the phone you know [TS]

  put up the high pitch tone it means [TS]

  there was a nuclear blast and and and [TS]

  you see those lines come in and you see [TS]

  those circles and then you hear the guys [TS]

  grew up we're still here and there but [TS]

  it is a really i mean affecting and [TS]

  creepy seen the pause before they shout [TS]

  that's where Barry Corbin absolutely [TS]

  earned all of his money [TS]

  I I every time I think about individual [TS]

  lines and individuals seen performances [TS]

  they're all Barry Corbin from that part [TS]

  of the movie between him being the [TS]

  general general who in a lesser movie [TS]

  would be excited about nuclear workers [TS]

  this way it's been training for would-be [TS]

  was now planning it would be playing it [TS]

  more [TS]

  really as know this is the worst case [TS]

  scenario i don't want this to be [TS]

  happening and also just the the tension [TS]

  in his voice which he he is the he has [TS]

  to be that guy who tells these very [TS]

  junior green people who might be dying [TS]

  in about 10 seconds to say i'm going to [TS]

  give you some instructions i'm going to [TS]

  give you the context for those [TS]

  instructions i'm going to convey to you [TS]

  how important it is that you could be a [TS]

  you press that you follow these [TS]

  instructions and do exactly i'm going to [TS]

  stand by and I'm going to be with you as [TS]

  you do this but here's the situation [TS]

  we're in and mad that was just pitch [TS]

  perfect [TS]

  this is also around the point the movie [TS]

  where the after hanging up the computer [TS]

  really really really wants to talk to [TS]

  Matthew Broderick so it keeps calling [TS]

  him back and then he gets picked up at [TS]

  7-eleven boy kids just your computer [TS]

  hacker don't go to 7-eleven and that's [TS]

  where they get you [TS]

  uh-huh and and and then if only we had [TS]

  some rollerblades and I know just get [TS]

  out of there [TS]

  uh-huh and where you could like run lola [TS]

  run would be the other way to go and uh [TS]

  and so that what does that leave us that [TS]

  he gets taken to NORAD and there he gets [TS]

  interrogated this as if he's going to be [TS]

  a Soviet spy well interrogate likey he'd [TS]

  be waterboarded in 10 minutes of modern [TS]

  country like it was like immediately [TS]

  torture and the worst they do is they [TS]

  have Dabney Coleman give him a stern [TS]

  talking-to leaving the longer run with [TS]

  the computer so can we talk about Dabney [TS]

  Coleman for a minute i just wanted to [TS]

  say I I'll i find this such an odd [TS]

  choice and maybe it's because thinking [TS]

  of all the other parts of the Dabney [TS]

  Coleman you know sitcom actor in many [TS]

  cases as played over the years it's like [TS]

  he's the he's the kind of genius [TS]

  well turns out he's not the genius he's [TS]

  like the business guy who's been left to [TS]

  monitor the invention of the genius [TS]

  it is the more stable genius he's that I [TS]

  get the feeling that they were partners [TS]

  they were to scientific partners and he [TS]

  was the more kind of like [TS]

  business-minded socially acceptable me [TS]

  the other one is the more eccentric and [TS]

  Accenture one got pushed out leaving the [TS]

  other to plow forward that there were a [TS]

  lot of like white shirt engineers you [TS]

  know if you look at the people working [TS]

  on Apollo you don't see hippie types of [TS]

  x large you see people in nice little [TS]

  like short sleeve shirts and ties [TS]

  McKittrick was that kind of it [TS]

  gineer where the pocket the the reason [TS]

  why he has a pocket protectors because [TS]

  yeah he's not wearing his like acid is [TS]

  tie-dye t-shirt he's wearing an actual [TS]

  like nice shirts that would've been [TS]

  advertised in esquire he wants to [TS]

  protect his pocket [TS]

  well you gotta depends leak I think [TS]

  Dabney Coleman it's just it's just funny [TS]

  forgiven i think maybe it's just that he [TS]

  got he got more typecast as he went but [TS]

  in this movie was not he's not the [TS]

  character I mean he made this right [TS]

  after he made tipsy right i mean he's [TS]

  not the character I expect to see here [TS]

  and in this in this party is a different [TS]

  kind of actor to be steady senior well [TS]

  and at the time he was not really a [TS]

  sitcom or comedy person either you know [TS]

  to see was the the thing that was like [TS]

  why is Dabney Coleman in this movie huh [TS]

  and you know well I don't 925 all of us [TS]

  were all of a sudden you had nine to [TS]

  five you had to see and they needed [TS]

  Buffalo Bill and then suddenly he was [TS]

  comedy [TS]

  yeah it's just a and I don't know who i [TS]

  would i would have I just I I just [TS]

  thought it was really interesting i'm [TS]

  not saying that it's bad yes that was [TS]

  precedes the 925 and then and then pussy [TS]

  and then he did this I thought he works [TS]

  as a he works as a stern father figure [TS]

  who you buy is being intelligent to eat [TS]

  I I felt like he also would could have [TS]

  done more in this movie he wasn't given [TS]

  what he was given to do he did well and [TS]

  I fell I mean he got like second [TS]

  building i think in the movie and I [TS]

  guess it's just you know because it [TS]

  because of his stature but it's like all [TS]

  the scenes he was in he was good he [TS]

  fulfilled his role but like no I think [TS]

  it's looking back on his career with [TS]

  hindsight that it seems more surprising [TS]

  and I think it's a good performance but [TS]

  it's funny because I put Dabney Coleman [TS]

  in this different box and then I see him [TS]

  here i'm like right Danny Coleman [TS]

  because who it just you know it see he's [TS]

  not he didn't get picked out of a pile [TS]

  of actors and i would expect you pick [TS]

  this character out of and I like it [TS]

  well well here that that's the time we [TS]

  need to talk about McKittrick Demi [TS]

  Coleman's assistant there's one scene in [TS]

  this movie that had me laughing out loud [TS]

  that i did not remember that I cannot [TS]

  believe it even in the movie does anyone [TS]

  know we're gonna be talking about i [TS]

  won't spoil it but I I think we're [TS]

  talking about the same one stop [TS]

  it's a simulation simulation no not that [TS]

  not that one of talking about Dabney [TS]

  Coleman at one point is helpful lady [TS]

  helper personal assistant who is [TS]

  inexplicably in many many more scenes [TS]

  than it seems like she should be given [TS]

  her big job description [TS]

  she's talking to him about some urgent [TS]

  issue that he's gotta handle whatever [TS]

  he's going to meet with somebody [TS]

  he's chewing gum he takes the gum out of [TS]

  his mouth [TS]

  Oh hands it to his his helper assistant [TS]

  person who then they are at a she is now [TS]

  his gum receptacle she's basically like [TS]

  you are so open with me that when i'm [TS]

  done chewing my gum rather than sticking [TS]

  it under the table i'm going to hand it [TS]

  to you that's how far beneath me you are [TS]

  in all stations like and then she takes [TS]

  it and gleefully puts it into her own [TS]

  mouth and choose it [TS]

  what is going on there like I i got i [TS]

  got ok I got it I got a different i got [TS]

  such a different breed from that seen [TS]

  that when you have two people who are [TS]

  working together that as a sort of like [TS]

  Leo McGarry and what was his name his [TS]

  assistant in the West Wing where they've [TS]

  had this working relationship so you're [TS]

  right right that he would realize that [TS]

  well look I've got come on the mouth i [TS]

  get rid of it i can't stop get spit on [TS]

  the floor was gonna come people up so of [TS]

  course he's crazy spin around and she's [TS]

  gonna say okay freaking that works if [TS]

  she says give me if she says give me [TS]

  like that's what Nancy would do all that [TS]

  that there they've got such an effective [TS]

  working relationship therapy on works [TS]

  now that's right so why does the [TS]

  Kobayashi put in your mouth like come on [TS]

  free gum unless you got me hot like nine [TS]

  dollars apiece [TS]

  waste not want not she's she's keeping [TS]

  it moist for him [TS]

  John the weird that is not the weird [TS]

  scene we are talking about the gum right [TS]

  weird seen the words it [TS]

  yeah the weird seen the that struck me [TS]

  is when they lock a lock [TS]

  matthew broderick in the medical ward [TS]

  because it doesn't have a computer [TS]

  before and leave him alone before they [TS]

  take away because when you've got a [TS]

  Russian spy you lock him up and leave [TS]

  him alone and then you leave a guard [TS]

  there but he's gonna put the moves on a [TS]

  nurse and this is the one I wrote down [TS]

  my notes is sexual harassment to the [TS]

  rescue [TS]

  yeah yeah it's off-screen rape because [TS]

  it just leaves the okapi keeps getting [TS]

  more and more aggressive and then we [TS]

  just leave the scene and we just assumed [TS]

  that the poor woman was raped because [TS]

  just white gloves it's more of humans [TS]

  being unreliable because the computer [TS]

  wouldn't put the moves on a nurse [TS]

  obviously you haven't seen a movie [TS]

  called electric dreams son if you get a [TS]

  closer and closer [TS]

  wow that takes me back and and she's [TS]

  like hey it looks like you're going to [TS]

  quite a tennis player and she her [TS]

  reaction is like oh stop it [TS]

  hehe like she tries to like all the [TS]

  women in this movie feel like they have [TS]

  to get the gender roles like I don't [TS]

  know if they're trying to make it seem [TS]

  like this woman was I just I i can't i [TS]

  can't watch the scenes I don't [TS]

  understand how we thought this was [TS]

  acceptable like this is not played for [TS]

  dramatic effects but the point is I've [TS]

  seen is that he is distracted he could [TS]

  have been distracted by a laser spot on [TS]

  the wall doesn't matter and a blonde [TS]

  secretary is the spot on the wall like [TS]

  that it doesn't matter to the plywood [TS]

  never use cats is your secret service in [TS]

  there less reliable but like just those [TS]

  scenes are just just so painful that [TS]

  these things like the women in NORAD [TS]

  basically fulfill the roles of like [TS]

  service animals like they're not there [TS]

  they're not in positions of their all [TS]

  chewing other people's go [TS]

  I mean it'sit's of its time and it is [TS]

  less is less offensive than any other [TS]

  movies that are of its time but like [TS]

  these are such incidental things but [TS]

  it's like it even in the incidentals [TS]

  like ooh do you have to there was ok so [TS]

  we watched we watched a Ghostbusters a [TS]

  couple days after after watch this movie [TS]

  and you know Peter Venkman is putting [TS]

  the moves on on Dana Barrett and all [TS]

  that and and he's meant to be kind of a [TS]

  creep in a way but that but Dana you [TS]

  know tell them off more I mean she falls [TS]

  for later it is quite right so so that I [TS]

  comparing that seems this scene where [TS]

  it's I mean it is just meant to be a [TS]

  distraction but it's it's so bad on all [TS]

  the levels that it just it was like [TS]

  really kind of gross and and again I was [TS]

  like boy thank goodness that guys out [TS]

  there sexually harassing that nurse so [TS]

  that man can escape into the vents [TS]

  yay well well thank goodness everything [TS]

  thank goodness everything in this movie [TS]

  makes noise because then he's able to [TS]

  record the codon at a pre audio tape [TS]

  recorder if the things if everything [TS]

  didn't make noise that wouldn't have [TS]

  worked [TS]

  the good thing though is that this is [TS]

  also the NORAD aah quarters that nor [TS]

  headquarters that has the unique [TS]

  irregular but regular school bus tour [TS]

  that in the newscast like when he does [TS]

  the simulation Botox over the garbage [TS]

  can and then the next night on the news [TS]

  like NORAD wouldn't tell the news that [TS]

  they almost had to like the whole point [TS]

  of north and then you're like later when [TS]

  you see by stories like oh I guess NORAD [TS]

  is like come on in and see our secret [TS]

  lair [TS]

  transparent your head out before we got [TS]

  free 11 bit one second though there was [TS]

  a so there's a line from but when I [TS]

  thought you're talking about McKettrick [TS]

  system i thought you talked with an [TS]

  embassy one who the first one who like [TS]

  like five minutes after the rest of [TS]

  North realize that all this isn't this [TS]

  isn't really a nuclear nuclear first [TS]

  strike from Russia it's just simulation [TS]

  is that never she keeps running in with [TS]

  this long strip of green bar proud dad [TS]

  stop it doesn't nation it's not alone [TS]

  you can say Jewish it's ok I i will say [TS]

  never again I I don't see a religion i [TS]

  feel that we're all children of the same [TS]

  God who was the father of Jesus Christ [TS]

  anyway it's a there's a there's a [TS]

  beautiful line and in this movie that i [TS]

  think is so instructive in good [TS]

  storytelling in which if you know [TS]

  anything about if you if you know even [TS]

  nothing about how government [TS]

  installations work you figure that [TS]

  how is it possible for anyone just a [TS]

  dial in on an outside line and get [TS]

  access to the computer that launches [TS]

  nuclear missiles and there's this and [TS]

  all that has that has to happen is for [TS]

  this one never actually guy to say one [TS]

  line which is the phone company screwed [TS]

  up and all phone company we all hate the [TS]

  phone company to we are our whatever [TS]

  curious we had is now completely [TS]

  satisfied and i love the fact that in an [TS]

  earlier draft her someone who isn't as [TS]

  good as screenwriter they would have [TS]

  come up with this big complicated all [TS]

  they they pulled out there's a [TS]

  maintenance cycle that was happening [TS]

  they pulled one back and this shot with [TS]

  this other technician accidentally hooks [TS]

  up this thing to the other thing [TS]

  no no no need to do that one line [TS]

  handles it there's an interview there is [TS]

  a podcast interview with the writers of [TS]

  lost that entered that explain this term [TS]

  that i absolutely love they refer to it [TS]

  as hang a lantern on it where if there's [TS]

  something that he needs to happen for [TS]

  the plot but it's technically absolutely [TS]

  impossible [TS]

  they're talking about some seen in Los [TS]

  in which a radio signal had be coming [TS]

  from underwater that they're [TS]

  triangulating it was happening [TS]

  underwater and they're in the writers [TS]

  room for lost they actually spent just [TS]

  hours and hours coming up with a [TS]

  technical explanation for why this radio [TS]

  signals coming out there before they [TS]

  just collectively slap themselves in the [TS]

  face and just simply type I i know [TS]

  that's impossible but I'm telling you [TS]

  that's what happening line of dialogue [TS]

  done move on [TS]

  beautiful that's that's why the [TS]

  enterprise has a transporter instead of [TS]

  always taking the shuttlecraft down just [TS]

  like that shortcut do it also also if [TS]

  you run out of money and you don't feel [TS]

  like you can't get any more aliens in [TS]

  and you really want to be able to just [TS]

  rent some standard Western costumes you [TS]

  can simply say oh the transporter is [TS]

  malfunctioning and war from the rest of [TS]

  the main cast are stuck in the wild wild [TS]

  west also by the way here's a tip if you [TS]

  are somewhere in Colorado and you don't [TS]

  have any money and you need to make a [TS]

  phone call [TS]

  find a little tab from a soda can have [TS]

  to explain that to my children to ya [TS]

  oh and you can you can do some phone [TS]

  hacking things so this is that one of [TS]

  the another place in this movie where [TS]

  they're making reference to the you know [TS]

  phone-hacking exploits of people in the [TS]

  seventies and he calls ally sheedy [TS]

  and-and-and-and my note is hey airplane [TS]

  security was a lot less lacks then and [TS]

  there were no databases because she [TS]

  literally like calls at the airline and [TS]

  says can you can't leave a plane ticket [TS]

  for my friend tattoo [TS]

  he's landed at the airport because [TS]

  they're not they don't they don't know [TS]

  he's there they can't triangulate the [TS]

  database he doesn't need any ID she can [TS]

  put it amazing just do you feel like [TS]

  there's so many things that nobody [TS]

  understands all under the age of 25 this [TS]

  movie trip they just like sort of [TS]

  remaster this so it's in black and white [TS]

  and black bet super super fast walking [TS]

  around that didn't deter well he's [TS]

  enough he's in a phone booth is in a [TS]

  phone booth who knows what a phone booth [TS]

  is I remember seeing this is a kid being [TS]

  excited by the ability to get free calls [TS]

  because that was an exciting thing that [TS]

  was a kid to be able to use in a phone [TS]

  without paying [TS]

  but i remember we're not even when I was [TS]

  young watching this movie I said those [TS]

  phone handset things are so hard to [TS]

  unscrew the [TS]

  no way by bang like that was the [TS]

  unrealistic think we're not touching it [TS]

  the little thing with the with the soda [TS]

  pop top it was the fact that he was able [TS]

  to unscrew because i had tried that many [TS]

  times and they're really hard before the [TS]

  movie I'd rather because you know why [TS]

  wouldn't you may be sure they will also [TS]

  also they had a much simpler solution [TS]

  which again any kid of that time would [TS]

  know if you just sort of check the check [TS]

  the the coin return there is a good [TS]

  chance it's going to be a dime in there [TS]

  they checked it a check the movie hasn't [TS]

  returned [TS]

  yeah everybody else that's the move [TS]

  that's what you do when you're a kid and [TS]

  you have no money you check all the coin [TS]

  returns but you're gonna make all are [TS]

  not exactly that is that is that used to [TS]

  know gotye table but don't want to into [TS]

  a collector of nostalgia trip but it's [TS]

  like I just remember i still remember [TS]

  there was a soda machine the next to the [TS]

  fire station that was broken in such a [TS]

  way that it would district was [TS]

  discharged a quarter like after was do [TS]

  or something and it was always good for [TS]

  least three-quarters finest memory of my [TS]

  life free sodas at the shakey's near my [TS]

  house somebody drilled a hole in a [TS]

  quarter and run a fishing line through [TS]

  it and the space where arcade game there [TS]

  had horizontal slots rather than [TS]

  vertical and so he just ran the quarter [TS]

  up and down a couple hundred times and [TS]

  we played all weekend i tried that so [TS]

  many times with video games machines and [TS]

  it never worked [TS]

  I always lost the thing string broke [TS]

  because you see it you see you see in [TS]

  the water brothers cartoon it should [TS]

  work [TS]

  it's the horizontal slot it's the [TS]

  vertical slot that it's false sideways [TS]

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  courses all the people smoking but it [TS]

  was kind of hilarious like it in a way [TS]

  that they were almost aware of how this [TS]

  movie would be viewed in the future that [TS]

  they have five people smoking cigarettes [TS]

  and doors not a big deal [TS]

  find that the big general guy has a [TS]

  giant cigar of course the general guys [TS]

  the guard is allowed it going to say but [TS]

  then later the movie when he pulls the [TS]

  chewing tobacco it's like okay now [TS]

  you're just gonna you're just showing [TS]

  off like I'm done with the cigar i'm [TS]

  going with the cigarette give me my bag [TS]

  and shoe [TS]

  yeah yeah although that was very that [TS]

  was a very character thing to it's [TS]

  looking like he's like alright i guess [TS]

  the world's gonna end I'm gonna get the [TS]

  to win here and we're gonna do this [TS]

  thing picked the wrong week to stop [TS]

  sniffing glue [TS]

  I was just going to say that that is [TS]

  that is one of that is one of my clear [TS]

  memories of shots from this movie when [TS]

  they went whopper starts locking leave [TS]

  the regular personnel out and McKittrick [TS]

  is like just leaning over the keyboard [TS]

  look but dragons just the cigarette [TS]

  dangling from his love for his moustache [TS]

  blank expression on his face [TS]

  how do people act without cigarettes now [TS]

  there's so many actors who learned how [TS]

  to act so I got to have this in my hand [TS]

  I've gotta know how to puff on this [TS]

  thing you gotta have something to play [TS]

  with [TS]

  yeah now it's just based baseball bats [TS]

  they just carry around baseball bats [TS]

  where the general calls the alaska-based [TS]

  to scramble to f6 teens and then they [TS]

  immediately cut to stock footage of 215 [TS]

  like if you're gonna get stock footage [TS]

  you have the script you're not flying [TS]

  these plans get stock footage of the 16 [TS]

  they existed because young siracusa had [TS]

  snapped together ravel model hanging [TS]

  from the ceiling of his bedroom [TS]

  god damn it he knew what those look like [TS]

  maybe I did okay so she could you don't [TS]

  have the patience to put together the [TS]

  Millennium Falcon monogram model do I [TS]

  don't have money for that [TS]

  there you go paper route John paper [TS]

  route [TS]

  some of us had gumption some of us [TS]

  didn't so we we have reached we at long [TS]

  last at long last we have reached a [TS]

  professor Falcons island where Stuart [TS]

  pterodactyls fly in the air and that's [TS]

  still awesome that real flying thing [TS]

  that steers with the head i want that [TS]

  now where's that now it really is my son [TS]

  my son saw that he was like oh that's [TS]

  what is this what happened is the wrong [TS]

  movie what's going on what did I hit my [TS]

  head what's happened there that work the [TS]

  greatest like a non sequitur like you're [TS]

  in this movie about computers and they [TS]

  show a pterodactyl and they linger on it [TS]

  and you're like that's a pterodactyl I [TS]

  know what a pterodactyl looks like [TS]

  that's a pterodactyl and then we and [TS]

  then we meet professor Falken and turns [TS]

  out that he is obsessed with dinosaurs [TS]

  and is convinced that humans are going [TS]

  to be extinct just like dinosaurs [TS]

  yeah he is a big downer don't go don't [TS]

  go to present focus cabins and someday [TS]

  you may have a child and watch him die [TS]

  and since not a fun time you get the [TS]

  impression that professor Falken is [TS]

  actually like jeff goldblum characters [TS]

  dad [TS]

  from driving park because yes because [TS]

  nature nature will blow bubbles will [TS]

  start all over again prop prop probably [TS]

  probably with the bees this time now [TS]

  he's much more distinguished and just go [TS]

  with my love whatever whoever this actor [TS]

  is I don't even know if I've seen maybe [TS]

  he does such a good job as falken to [TS]

  being kind of eccentric and these get [TS]

  the accent he's even when he's being [TS]

  crazy and fatalistic you know it totally [TS]

  totally believable in this role but [TS]

  always always liked distinguishing you [TS]

  kind of like I accept his craziness by I [TS]

  accept that he's this is the way he is [TS]

  and it's okay for him to be that way i [TS]

  don't think i've seen this actor [TS]

  anything else but he's he's great i was [TS]

  noticing that watching this but he's [TS]

  really great in this I mean he's a donor [TS]

  and all that but he's a you know Vulcan [TS]

  is this mysterious figure that's [TS]

  happening we know and then we think he's [TS]

  dead and all that then we finally meet [TS]

  him and it kinda it pays off [TS]

  he he pays off absolutely and he gets [TS]

  the one good comedy line in this movie I [TS]

  thought where he meets up with his old [TS]

  partner and says I see your wife still [TS]

  picture ties which I didn't remember [TS]

  that why you're a kid but like it he [TS]

  does it in kind of the dry British way [TS]

  is like that that's his disarming way to [TS]

  meet an old friend hadn't seen in many [TS]

  years [TS]

  yeah he's a he's been a lot more working [TS]

  in Britain and originated a lot of roles [TS]

  in tom stoppard plays in the seventies [TS]

  so you know if this were a movie in [TS]

  England that would be the name like oh [TS]

  my god John Wood whereas over here that [TS]

  I think that might be the most famous [TS]

  thing is done over here [TS]

  yeah that's I I'm again this is really a [TS]

  downer and and he says will were close [TS]

  to a target so will be spared the [TS]

  horrors of survival will just be [TS]

  vaporized it will be a problem which is [TS]

  really nice to say to the two you know [TS]

  teenagers who were falling in love who [TS]

  are visiting you on your little island [TS]

  that you've got is all that that was a [TS]

  meme in my childhood that the whole idea [TS]

  that you wanted to be close to an [TS]

  important target and I'm sure didn't [TS]

  start with this movie but it was like it [TS]

  was I remember be discussing it with my [TS]

  parents that we don't have to worry [TS]

  about anything because we were so close [TS]

  to new york city would be vaporized [TS]

  well I remember I so so so watching this [TS]

  one of the things that struck me was [TS]

  that the true there's a line of dialogue [TS]

  that I felt was the true Cold War [TS]

  view the true like this is what it was [TS]

  like living through the cold cold war [TS]

  which is when i think is an ally sheedy [TS]

  says i wish i didn't know like everyone [TS]

  else we don't just die thats its Matt [TS]

  Matthew Broderick i wish i didn't know [TS]

  that it's matthew broderick right i just [TS]

  wish i didn't know like everyone else I [TS]

  i wish i didn't know we all just die [TS]

  tomorrow right it's like that's that's [TS]

  it how fatalistic this is we you know I [TS]

  don't want the knowledge that the world [TS]

  is going to end [TS]

  I just wanted to end it will be over and [TS]

  I won't have to worry about it [TS]

  wow yeah that was real folks because [TS]

  like you kind of you know made this [TS]

  happen so yeah [TS]

  also it is yeah it is this where we add [TS]

  their defqon.1 now people we are at [TS]

  DEFCON 1 this is where Barry Corbin puts [TS]

  in his to in tobacco because it's [TS]

  serious business [TS]

  I know there's a rule saying that you [TS]

  can't spit on the floor north but screw [TS]

  it we're all gonna die anyway [TS]

  rules are for lesser men event another [TS]

  you know no one's got a tourist as well [TS]

  and also falken can take his helicopter [TS]

  into no red like I would imagine a [TS]

  helicopter flying towards north would be [TS]

  something that they were dead to say oh [TS]

  I also a lie i also i also would have I [TS]

  also would imagine that somebody would [TS]

  have phoned ahead and said hi [TS]

  yeah I you know that I'm in the [TS]

  helicopter don't shoot it down [TS]

  yeah I'm hey I'm heading in and given [TS]

  that I'm probably the only person one of [TS]

  only two people here the only person who [TS]

  can actually legally buy liquor who can [TS]

  who can fix this problem perhaps you [TS]

  should let me land had been like the [TS]

  obligatory cards because that's [TS]

  something i could do in the eighties [TS]

  they could have car chases they were [TS]

  good at that you added to have stunt [TS]

  drivers drive really fast and like it's [TS]

  just a race against time it's not even a [TS]

  car chase it's just a little guy the guy [TS]

  crashes through the gate you know they [TS]

  gotta roll the Jeep they just got here [TS]

  and that's their minutes what they're [TS]

  made to do and it almost doesn't fit in [TS]

  this movie where that doesn't have many [TS]

  other scenes like that but it'sit's for [TS]

  the purpose of the dramatic effect of [TS]

  getting through the comically huge door [TS]

  and said pays off the the door closing [TS]

  bird earlier in the move backwards yeah [TS]

  are on the movie they show that same [TS]

  huge door closing people are squeezing [TS]

  through at the last second it's like [TS]

  wait your turn like it's not worth your [TS]

  life [TS]

  guess I need more gum we pancaked [TS]

  another employee can say where that came [TS]

  from work [TS]

  where we're going we got there we got [TS]

  the Ronald Reagan defense budget we can [TS]

  always get more army guys John didn't [TS]

  come into work today well half of him [TS]

  did ya [TS]

  really we're only talking you have for [TS]

  half of you for being late [TS]

  there's a scene they cut out where Han [TS]

  Solo last three people where Luke is the [TS]

  door closed walk us through how you're [TS]

  feeling right now because it's getting [TS]

  full well well let's bring out your [TS]

  headliner Goodwin Greg good I'll spice [TS]

  that into the first Rick's back episode [TS]

  i would i would have gone with the scene [TS]

  where Chewbacca yells after the door [TS]

  closes or something to that effect yeah [TS]

  right there you go [TS]

  I know what your favorite Star Wars [TS]

  movies so you're forgiven yeah what else [TS]

  we have in here we have your you're [TS]

  listening to a machine [TS]

  don't act like one right that don't be [TS]

  don't be like the machine you got the [TS]

  whopper sound the one-percenters very [TS]

  good you should put that on a loop in [TS]

  your house just for food and they like [TS]

  that but they do the cameras that you [TS]

  know slide the camera around the little [TS]

  engine light areas like everyone can you [TS]

  really show you want to show that the [TS]

  whopper is this ominous presence type [TS]

  thing and so you've got the noise and [TS]

  you've got the camera panning over the [TS]

  big whopper set piece is there a [TS]

  Saturday Night Live sketch where they [TS]

  cut to the whopper and it's a giant [TS]

  hamburger [TS]

  I believe that's a real a real smoke it [TS]

  if this was a modern movie they would be [TS]

  burning product placement guaranteed i [TS]

  think there would have been many seasons [TS]

  of sentient life or that would have been [TS]

  a good 1152 p.m. joke [TS]

  yup yup but isn't it one thing one thing [TS]

  that called attention to me that it [TS]

  really looked like 1958 1965 like [TS]

  cabinet design did that with because it [TS]

  had those really smooth corners to it it [TS]

  was painted in that sort of [TS]

  institutional green even the computers [TS]

  around it looked a lot newer than [TS]

  whopper [TS]

  yeah it had well it looked it look I [TS]

  think the other ones were either based [TS]

  on real designs are were real designs of [TS]

  actual things whereas whopper was wholly [TS]

  constructed by Hollywood so it kind of [TS]

  makes sense that when they [TS]

  instructed that they don't know what [TS]

  real computers look like they just wanna [TS]

  make something that really something [TS]

  that reads as that blinky lights it's [TS]

  big i did I don't think the condition of [TS]

  the blinky lights they had that one [TS]

  section of like it make a matrix LED [TS]

  that was flipping through sine waves [TS]

  I thought that was pretty boss oh yeah [TS]

  count counting down the days till the [TS]

  end of the world just to let you know if [TS]

  you if you were looking at the hardware [TS]

  it would say by the way still counting [TS]

  down to the end of the world you see it [TS]

  you guys the engineers that can have to [TS]

  feel like pretty minus x that say why [TS]

  did we bother putting these lights in if [TS]

  no one is ever going to look at them [TS]

  that's just that just that just do [TS]

  values me as a worker it really [TS]

  negatively impact my sense of [TS]

  empowerment in this organization there's [TS]

  a nice i I like to fake out here where [TS]

  where it turns out that everybody's safe [TS]

  and it's all it's all okay and then and [TS]

  then ok work we win everything's good [TS]

  back slaps tell the president were okay [TS]

  and then there's the oh no we're not [TS]

  safe [TS]

  mr. McKittrick it is my it's my [TS]

  considered opinion that you're with your [TS]

  missile program sucks sucks [TS]

  is this the first movie where they did [TS]

  the thing where you guess the password [TS]

  and tells you each time you got a [TS]

  single-digit right because that is that [TS]

  is definitely a mean like that that what [TS]

  you heard from 1983 and continues to [TS]

  this day and it makes so little sense on [TS]

  any level to like like like common sense [TS]

  not technical just think of common sense [TS]

  how many choices are there for each [TS]

  position how many times if it's going to [TS]

  tell you when you get any of those [TS]

  positions right like yeah it doesn't it [TS]

  doesn't make it i mean it makes for a [TS]

  good dramatic dramatically [TS]

  yeah right it makes for good drama and I [TS]

  can't remember movie before this they [TS]

  did it so this may be where that came [TS]

  from and again as a kid it didn't bother [TS]

  me in the least because I was dumb but [TS]

  ok you know because also was an exciting [TS]

  movie that that's the point at which [TS]

  it's working for you so you don't really [TS]

  think about that twice right it's a more [TS]

  exciting countdown than actual countdown [TS]

  right yeah and even this time like it [TS]

  didn't dollar baby I do get caught up [TS]

  like this this amazing said that they [TS]

  built I really think this is the star of [TS]

  the movie production was this amazing [TS]

  said that they built it's like the end [TS]

  of a rock show where like they don't go [TS]

  to the climax [TS]

  and they they use all the fancy lights [TS]

  on this end you know I can be anything [TS]

  to show you that we can do this kind of [TS]

  lighting scenario we can do that one but [TS]

  like in the big climax they do all the [TS]

  lights on this big climax the computer [TS]

  as they do in movies causes everything [TS]

  to blow up with sparks because that's [TS]

  what computers do we all know that but [TS]

  that means basically the lights are off [TS]

  on the set and once lights are off on [TS]

  the set now it's basically time for a [TS]

  laser light show because then the [TS]

  screens are even more dramatic and [TS]

  reflecting light on the people spaces [TS]

  which again real screens don't do but i [TS]

  think these projection screens probably [TS]

  actually did project these huge lights [TS]

  back on their faces and it is a laser [TS]

  light show of Joshua learning with the [TS]

  with that you know if they're RGB [TS]

  screens it's basically you got white [TS]

  hundred percent read hundreds and green [TS]

  hundred percent blue you know and these [TS]

  flashing lights everything get [TS]

  everything in camera it's like the [TS]

  culmination of a rock show in terms of [TS]

  effect size i think it still works also [TS]

  is it such that is if if if there was a [TS]

  more effective way for them for the [TS]

  filmmaker to communicate that the humans [TS]

  have absolutely no influence on what [TS]

  happens next [TS]

  either either everybody dies in about [TS]

  five minutes or it's been fixed [TS]

  we don't know yet and and on a more [TS]

  personal note ever since that movie I've [TS]

  been hoping for a screensaver especially [TS]

  with HD tvs that would do nothing but [TS]

  run through all of those wargames [TS]

  whopper scenarios except like Iceland [TS]

  I've got the list in front of me where [TS]

  it's just hong kong jarencio [TS]

  decapitating Cuban provocation [TS]

  inadvertent landing heavy human [TS]

  paramilitary Nicaraguan pre-emptive [TS]

  Pacific territorial Burmese theater wide [TS]

  search detour [TS]

  it's like I want to see and I want to [TS]

  see the the maps go and i want to see [TS]

  inbounds I want to see the sea winner [TS]

  none none none none none [TS]

  yeah i would just I would buy a TV [TS]

  exactly for that with all those cool [TS]

  names of the love the different [TS]

  strategies to which i always like to [TS]

  like to see Warsaw Pact isolated [TS]

  incident English escalations I your [TS]

  screen middle EA Mexican takeover Chad [TS]

  alert that Saudi maneuver African [TS]

  territorial you hoping clearly canadian [TS]

  parentheses obstructed by our earlier [TS]

  that is my favorite guy in the entire [TS]

  movie when they know what they figure [TS]

  out to make a play tic-tac-toe and acai [TS]

  from the back who gets a speaking part [TS]

  of the movie is understanding [TS]

  square-like know if he's got the key [TS]

  he's got the key to take back those [TS]

  strategies like no I know this game [TS]

  trust me but [TS]

  it's in the center square somebody [TS]

  somebody got you someone got Screen [TS]

  Actors Guild eq health coverage based on [TS]

  that line [TS]

  I thought he was thinking that was like [TS]

  the override code right just put the X [TS]

  in the center square that will end it [TS]

  right [TS]

  I I always read that as a kid even as a [TS]

  kid I guys stupid guess you didn't [TS]

  expect that guy's really done speaking [TS]

  part tho you gotta do you gotta love it [TS]

  and like at the part where like how [TS]

  gonna get it to play itself but number [TS]

  of players 0 that's probably how program [TS]

  would work [TS]

  yeah fuckin nose he wrote it [TS]

  that's fine what I'll say is strange [TS]

  game the only winning move is not to [TS]

  play I noticed this time that the words [TS]

  on the screen say a strange game but the [TS]

  audio says strange and i only remember [TS]

  the audio i guess because I wasn't [TS]

  reading the screen at that point I was [TS]

  listening to what Joshua would say but [TS]

  yeah but it's a different reading the [TS]

  also interesting that it's this it's the [TS]

  same voice that that even when i start [TS]

  for the first time that guy stumbled [TS]

  over that a little bit i didn't dislike [TS]

  that but it's like oh ok that's a [TS]

  commercial product you can buy it from [TS]

  the magazine he was reading and and same [TS]

  Center just yet [TS]

  they say the same same page in the digit [TS]

  keys catalog for the right to IC [TS]

  component sure it's just it's the same [TS]

  reason why our announcer on the [TS]

  incomparable is the same announcer you [TS]

  here in better happier by radiohead [TS]

  let's say you know it's just it's [TS]

  available [TS]

  it's commercially available product yeah [TS]

  get some he gets around that robot guy [TS]

  and this movie can't resist one of the [TS]

  greatest eighties end of movie means [TS]

  which is when the movie ends and in a [TS]

  celebratory happy manner [TS]

  someone has to throw papers and even [TS]

  though in this movie doesn't make any [TS]

  sense in context because there really is [TS]

  not a lot of paperwork going on in the [TS]

  war room [TS]

  somebody throws papers if you wait past [TS]

  the credits Matthew Broderick is in the [TS]

  shower and tells you to go home that [TS]

  you're still here but let's also it in [TS]

  terms of like great like tiny tiny [TS]

  little cameos in that in that room I [TS]

  love the shot of the the sergeant who [TS]

  all you see is like her mouth and the [TS]

  other little like headset mic 321 impact [TS]

  impact our lips are the star that senior [TS]

  getting outside [TS]

  exactly it's like yeah [TS]

  yeah it's in somewhere there's got to be [TS]

  like it is it some office like at least [TS]

  through 1986 there was a pile of [TS]

  videotapes and nothing but auditions of [TS]

  close-ups of actresses little wearing [TS]

  blue microphones and they picked the [TS]

  best one out of seven hundred because [TS]

  that was just good casting and her [TS]

  booming voice I don't even know if [TS]

  that's her be like the voice amplified [TS]

  with reverb on that huge room like [TS]

  totally totally works and like the like [TS]

  many eighties movies there's no Dana [TS]

  Montu this movie like it ends with a guy [TS]

  throwing papers in the air and then they [TS]

  were all command it's like it like it [TS]

  they don't want to tell you what [TS]

  happened to David did he ever get [TS]

  arrested did he go on to like get a [TS]

  modern movie I feel like would have to [TS]

  show you what happened invisible by [TS]

  Congress parents happy do we see ahead [TS]

  seen with him without like she does he [TS]

  does he become an apprentice stuff that [TS]

  she'd become an apprentice to fuck in [TS]

  the Iran corn would be no it would be it [TS]

  would be truthful will be fade fade to [TS]

  black fade up six months later in which [TS]

  there's like they're meeting a coffee [TS]

  shop say well that's too bad that that [TS]

  the that Joshua program had to be [TS]

  completely deleted yes but it was for [TS]

  the safety of the country and then like [TS]

  he picks it pulls out a phone and which [TS]

  you Joshua call mom tell her i'm going [TS]

  to be 15 minutes late [TS]

  alright professor Matthew Broderick many [TS]

  ways of the camera execu- he might as [TS]

  well but it was its abrupt but like as a [TS]

  kid that's where the movie ended and [TS]

  that we have really happened as an adult [TS]

  seen modern movies I'm like oh I guess [TS]

  the credits come now you're right Kyra I [TS]

  guess you're right there is nothing [TS]

  after that and what do you like I guess [TS]

  even in star wars they gave the guys [TS]

  metals like there was a there was a wine [TS]

  down you know doesn't end with a start [TS]

  blowing up and the credits roll but it's [TS]

  not like sneakers yeah right it's like I [TS]

  think the best analog isn't sneakers you [TS]

  know where there has to be that scene in [TS]

  which the government finally catches up [TS]

  with the these these white hat hackers [TS]

  who have actually saved you know the [TS]

  country from this thing and that has to [TS]

  be the medal ceremony which look but the [TS]

  james earl jones has to say [TS]

  now we can't let any of this go to get [TS]

  out and so if you it was a lot of what [TS]

  we get out of it like well what do you [TS]

  want [TS]

  and because all i want is that sexy [TS]

  asians phone number of a river phoenix [TS]

  that that character time to talk about [TS]

  sex with [TS]

  and then her reaction is wait a minute [TS]

  you can have the government will give [TS]

  you anything you wanted all you want is [TS]

  my phone number [TS]

  suspiciously yes 4158 1221 to eat [TS]

  anybody ever call that i'm sure a lot of [TS]

  people called it it was a real number [TS]

  but I never called it [TS]

  no I'm sure I just told you to [TS]

  advertisement yes he's been saying hello [TS]

  sad person remember to drink your [TS]

  ovaltine welcome to movie line and you [TS]

  you say that the the movie just ends [TS]

  right there but no week at the we get [TS]

  the melancholy harmonica [TS]

  yeah let's think about what we learned [TS]

  that's right you should think about what [TS]

  you learned and slow pullout right let's [TS]

  local back but like I i think that the [TS]

  gold standard of the of the scene that [TS]

  was not in this movie would be you know [TS]

  the the Ark of the Covenant is in the [TS]

  crate being driven slowly into the matte [TS]

  painting [TS]

  yeah because that's that it has the same [TS]

  effect is the sad harmonica music but it [TS]

  is separate scene because that's what [TS]

  they want you to know is like you know [TS]

  yeah evil still exists in the form of [TS]

  the giant faceless government and [TS]

  incompetent still exist in India will [TS]

  need to continue to fight the good fight [TS]

  and you know so-and-so brother the world [TS]

  didn't end today what about tomorrow [TS]

  people eat our lesson well let us not [TS]

  have died in vain the monsters were [TS]

  already on Maple Street I like the I [TS]

  like that kind of melancholy tone that [TS]

  because i feel that way on the you get [TS]

  that win when they're on the island and [TS]

  you see the pterodactyl it's the same [TS]

  thing it's like this weird tonal shift [TS]

  but I kind of like it because it's kind [TS]

  of like where are we now and we're kind [TS]

  of it's kind of sad and it is like we're [TS]

  back at the end of the world kinda like [TS]

  that and it but it is strange that the [TS]

  end of stuff like to do we win yay [TS]

  everybody go out of a movie being really [TS]

  happy we didn't blow up the world [TS]

  instead it's like think about it with [TS]

  this sad harmonica like this is the kind [TS]

  of like a peacenik eighties movie and I [TS]

  don't know that if they make your movies [TS]

  like these days but every time I try to [TS]

  think of a movie involving war military [TS]

  it's just always so like especially [TS]

  movie that has a happy ending and a hero [TS]

  who overcomes odds is always so sort of [TS]

  aggressive and militaristic and [TS]

  jingoistic where it's like even like [TS]

  Independence Day which is kind of like a [TS]

  humanity we defeat the aliens like [TS]

  everything's got to be the military is [TS]

  awesome and we win by killing the other [TS]

  guys and killing other guys is good and [TS]

  when we are victory would go home and [TS]

  have a beer and a BBQ and like that is [TS]

  not the tone of this much like these [TS]

  movies are always there we could all get [TS]

  beat up by today's square-jawed jarhead [TS]

  militaristic even the movies they're [TS]

  supposed to be about like the futility [TS]

  of war like a movie that I haven't seen [TS]

  that will greatly comment on my grand [TS]

  tradition that movie a lone survivor [TS]

  which is supposed to be you know a tale [TS]

  of companionship and heroism and [TS]

  everything like that but you know the [TS]

  the sort of underlying messages you know [TS]

  why were they there and it's isn't a [TS]

  terrible that were over in Afghanistan [TS]

  or wherever they were like this these [TS]

  movies were unabashedly like war is bad [TS]

  we are Hollywood we're telling you that [TS]

  you when they launched missiles as we [TS]

  should not launch them back that the [TS]

  whole thing is pointless [TS]

  you know it's a vibe that I don't have [TS]

  don't see a movie if you put a movie out [TS]

  today I think people would be like they [TS]

  were declared anti-american and yet it's [TS]

  funny because in hindsight I in [TS]

  hindsight this movie's premises obvious [TS]

  right i mean everybody agrees even [TS]

  Ronald Reagan said mutually assured [TS]

  destruction is a terrible thing and this [TS]

  is why we need to reduce the number of [TS]

  nuclear weapons and make it i mean right [TS]

  i mean it this this is because there was [TS]

  a superpower on the other side now [TS]

  there's no superpowers like oh well once [TS]

  once nuclear annihilation of the table [TS]

  yeah kill all the people we don't like [TS]

  mm no well with it but this what I'm [TS]

  saying is is that this this movie's [TS]

  premise that was political is it is [TS]

  which I mean how politically come here [TS]

  let's not blow up the planet but still [TS]

  was political now is like well yeah I [TS]

  mean it's validated it's like yeah that [TS]

  was a bad idea but back then i get even [TS]

  though we said like everyone agreed we [TS]

  didn't agree enough to elect Democrats [TS]

  too much like we still wanted the crazy [TS]

  cowboy to be in charge because because [TS]

  fear was enough of a factor it's like we [TS]

  all kind of agree that you know nuclear [TS]

  Armageddon is bad but let's keep [TS]

  collecting the crazy guy seems most [TS]

  likely to push the big red button [TS]

  because that makes us the people who are [TS]

  scared feel safer [TS]

  yeah well there's one [TS]

  thing is it was it wasn't it was a [TS]

  political statement back then it's just [TS]

  now we look at it and we say we say yep [TS]

  that was really stupid [TS]

  let's not all blow each other up but you [TS]

  know but that is this is in the grand [TS]

  tradition of of Hollywood movies making [TS]

  you know that mean as a kid who grew up [TS]

  in Star Trek it's like that right it's [TS]

  like the star trek episode where it's [TS]

  like Star Trek is super was where was [TS]

  like the black half black half white guy [TS]

  the half white half black guy why can't [TS]

  they just get along don't understand [TS]

  that those colors in the same just [TS]

  reversed right i mean it's in that [TS]

  tradition of the you know liberal [TS]

  Hollywood movie saying you know we all [TS]

  need to get along and peace and love and [TS]

  stop nuclear weapons and all that and [TS]

  yeah it seems obvious and yet it was [TS]

  also kind of controversial so this movie [TS]

  has the wherewithal to ignoring the [TS]

  women that attends the designers thing [TS]

  to make like there's no there's no [TS]

  cartoonish militaristic character in the [TS]

  movie and it seems like we can't have a [TS]

  movie anywhere right it whether even if [TS]

  they're the bad guy yes everyone is a [TS]

  human i guess there may be with you made [TS]

  this point everyone doesn't want the war [TS]

  to happen [TS]

  he's it like there is no that obviously [TS]

  is no God even bury Corbin really mean [TS]

  he's like the guy he's he's like Leo [TS]

  call the silos stand the missiles down [TS]

  yeah he doesn't want to he doesn't want [TS]

  to in the world either right yeah and [TS]

  and so there is no there is no [TS]

  cartoonish there is no proxy for there's [TS]

  no proxy for our fear that the military [TS]

  will run amok and destroy the world [TS]

  because there are you know going to ride [TS]

  a bomb down like a cowboy you know I [TS]

  mean like there's there's none of that [TS]

  doesn't know what everyone in the movie [TS]

  it's not cynical at all [TS]

  yeah and every every person in the there [TS]

  no idiots in this movie that everybody [TS]

  is reacting to the events but guy with a [TS]

  white gloves so maybe but ok but that's [TS]

  it was white gloves you got either that [TS]

  guy's got a skin condition or he's got [TS]

  he's got a problem and it's everybody [TS]

  was reacting exactly the way they should [TS]

  be reacting given the information that [TS]

  they have at the time that they're [TS]

  acting and so at the time when they all [TS]

  need to basically get together because [TS]

  they were all recognized the severity of [TS]

  the problem that's exactly what they do [TS]

  and I'm not sure that the that this [TS]

  movie were made today it would be that [TS]

  front if anything for this kind of a [TS]

  movie you can always make a bad movie [TS]

  about any issue but i do think that that [TS]

  was the the court thing that made war [TS]

  games a good movie was the realization [TS]

  that sometimes the enemy is not us [TS]

  versus them sometimes it really is that [TS]

  here is the evolution of a disaster and [TS]

  people trying to evade it and also i [TS]

  also would say be fair me 1982 1983 if [TS]

  you're gonna make a movie about nuclear [TS]

  war [TS]

  you probably don't have the effects [TS]

  budget to actually have the war happen [TS]

  you have to do it that they have urgent [TS]

  missiles being long you can blow up some [TS]

  models yeah they all they all make all [TS]

  of all they could afford was a couple of [TS]

  like a couple of like fire extinguishers [TS]

  like in the opening sequence they just [TS]

  sort of fire off these fire [TS]

  extinguishers of the bottom of the two [TS]

  to make it look like these rocket [TS]

  engines were about to fire up or getting [TS]

  ready to launch [TS]

  yeah they got they got a lot of mileage [TS]

  out of that one rocket model they kept [TS]

  showing but you know like well they put [TS]

  all they put all the money into the [TS]

  giant war room and I think it was money [TS]

  well spent like if you tried to make the [TS]

  movie where it's a war you end up with [TS]

  Red Dawn which i think is another good [TS]

  example of a movie with the similar [TS]

  message and it's like well we can [TS]

  actually do nuclear war and that [TS]

  actually the interesting but we can get [TS]

  people with guns and horses and so let's [TS]

  go with that by the way according to an [TS]

  old wired magazine story the one of the [TS]

  co-writer so this movie was a family [TS]

  friend from reagan and they run and they [TS]

  screened at the weekend it opened for [TS]

  Ronald Reagan crazy had no idea [TS]

  yeah that it because the modern [TS]

  equivalent i think is the tent for this [TS]

  type of movie is they want the the thing [TS]

  that is a threat to seem to be outside [TS]

  of us and the only way they're give [TS]

  responsibility to humans is if it's like [TS]

  a science gone awry they were [TS]

  experimenting with biological warfare [TS]

  and this thing that also zombie movies [TS]

  plague movies those type of things it's [TS]

  not like we are choosing to go to war [TS]

  it's like there is an existential threat [TS]

  to humanity that came to be and it's [TS]

  like nobody's fault how do we deal with [TS]

  war z or you know outbreak 28 days later [TS]

  whatever like where it's not there is a [TS]

  political decision that made us get into [TS]

  the scenarios like well we're in this [TS]

  scenario we'll do what we can to get out [TS]

  of that I think that's as close as they [TS]

  come again you know pics the absence of [TS]

  the Soviet Union and [TS]

  you know us being the big superpower we [TS]

  have to find something else to be a [TS]

  threat to our existence [TS]

  besides like I guess Bitcoin well any a [TS]

  political yea the a political nature of [TS]

  this of the story is nobody really [TS]

  wanted the world to end right and and so [TS]

  by having the soldiers not be villains [TS]

  and having it be that the berry Corbin [TS]

  doesn't you know is relieved well except [TS]

  for that one heading out secretaries [TS]

  villain except that guy a white glove [TS]

  guy that guy's bad taking it on the chin [TS]

  white glove guy with the beret [TS]

  oh you gotta be feeling the burn right [TS]

  now sir if you're still with us yeah if [TS]

  you still have yeah anyway I mean it is [TS]

  that I think that is interesting guess [TS]

  the computers of the real enemy here [TS]

  folks that's the best [TS]

  well well well look we we all work with [TS]

  computers long enough to know that yes [TS]

  the computer is usually any given [TS]

  workday the real enemy will bring it [TS]

  back around to the beginning isn't the [TS]

  inhumanity of the computer that the [TS]

  enemy removing the human beings from the [TS]

  firing scenario and what saves it is [TS]

  Joshua maybe not making moral decision [TS]

  but making a human one [TS]

  well I think clearly one of the lessons [TS]

  here is that that removing people from [TS]

  the process is is dangerous that's [TS]

  definitely one of the messages here is [TS]

  that people people need to be involved [TS]

  to not blindly follow orders i mean [TS]

  that's that's what saves the world is [TS]

  not wrote execution of commands even the [TS]

  general does not follow orders and says [TS]

  I gotta get some confirmation here right [TS]

  he doesn't just push the buttons belief [TS]

  elite she smokes inside he's got the [TS]

  human element plus yeah well at that [TS]

  point sure that that certain that [TS]

  certainly shows like the Howard our [TS]

  processes put together when you look [TS]

  back at it and everything those to [TS]

  control operators had to do with the [TS]

  start in order to get to the point where [TS]

  they had it where they could turn their [TS]

  keys the entire process is set up to [TS]

  make it more difficult to make it to [TS]

  Tobias the system towards not launching [TS]

  as opposed to launching where hears [TS]

  every point what if these are not done [TS]

  in the right order and exactly correctly [TS]

  missile does not launch that part of the [TS]

  country gets annihilated a nuclear war [TS]

  within the real world recently didn't [TS]

  they visit for the power they said if [TS]

  you cut power in our at all this [TS]

  launch that was a bad system bet that's [TS]

  not fail safe whether they locked out [TS]

  everything but they got the ok think [TS]

  that I think that UPS has come on get a [TS]

  probably starting to officemax you know [TS]

  get one of them $60 the whole idea was [TS]

  that they would interpret it as the as [TS]

  the Athanor I'd being hit and they would [TS]

  carry out their last orders now locked [TS]

  in with the incredibly ill-advised [TS]

  lockout changes button [TS]

  yeah that is that is bad that is bad [TS]

  didnt in the real world they recently [TS]

  released that some you know thirty forty [TS]

  percent of codes over the missile [TS]

  buttons were sent to all zeros [TS]

  yeah they're all zeros and that was a [TS]

  policy decision that was that was where [TS]

  they thought it might be too hard to [TS]

  launch them so they need to make it [TS]

  easier so that they had that those code [TS]

  set into all they should just put the [TS]

  computers in charge [TS]

  yeah well the good the good news is that [TS]

  if they got locked down in NORAD they [TS]

  could just dig up that Stargate that [TS]

  they got down there and said that one up [TS]

  and they don't lean on it too much in [TS]

  this movie but a lot of idealism if [TS]

  that's the word fear of technology that [TS]

  is evergreen and they'd to their credit [TS]

  or not make that a big theme of this [TS]

  movie and dwell on it but so many movies [TS]

  before and after are just obsessed with [TS]

  the idea that you gotta have a human in [TS]

  there and humans are always the best and [TS]

  computers are inexplicably evil and it's [TS]

  like unless you're gonna have a computer [TS]

  that actually has an aif that is scary [TS]

  needle but it's just the machine it's [TS]

  you know it's just the two lands and [TS]

  demonization let's all just take our are [TS]

  what he called the are weaving spindles [TS]

  and throw into fire in the middle of [TS]

  town square and light them up because [TS]

  you don't like the double machines [TS]

  yeah they knit they did for us that is [TS]

  demonic [TS]

  if I'd known I would have become a [TS]

  watchmaker due to do we have any any [TS]

  other thoughts about what about what you [TS]

  mean you know about war games before we [TS]

  go good flick all just just that the [TS]

  only the the only the only major [TS]

  unanswered question that i still have is [TS]

  man Matthew Broderick could afford a [TS]

  bitch and computer setup as parents must [TS]

  have a lot of money yeah that's like [TS]

  that he was had first viewer money or [TS]

  heat your he understood that Oh credit [TS]

  card transaction computers are not [TS]

  necessary they probably should be [TS]

  although that may be although I guess [TS]

  again we got to get into a nostalgia [TS]

  trip you it's it's possible learned as a [TS]

  teenager that if you write a letter to a [TS]

  computer company and the in the guise of [TS]

  an actual teenager being I'll be damned [TS]

  actually honest thing hi I'm 13 years [TS]

  old i have i have an interest in your [TS]

  product i can't possibly afford one key [TS]

  possibly just send me one [TS]

  sometimes that actually worked i had i [TS]

  had a couple of really good motives [TS]

  because I simply wrote a very fanciful [TS]

  written letter that was factually [TS]

  correct so perhaps he just like wrote a [TS]

  letter to ms I saying I have this idea [TS]

  that if I just write some machine code [TS]

  that simply dials numbers in sequence i [TS]

  could make it to all kinds of mischief [TS]

  I would love for you to enable this [TS]

  behavior by setting me free [TS]

  ten-thousand-dollar computer [TS]

  yeah LOL SMS i didn't pay for product [TS]

  placement because i have a big sticker [TS]

  over it true that the bumper sticker [TS]

  whatever that I think it's covering up [TS]

  the word inside over and over the model [TS]

  number on his computer shame I i enjoyed [TS]

  watching this movie and I i enjoyed it [TS]

  yeah it as a we picked apart but it's [TS]

  it's a fun it's a fun movie to watch you [TS]

  enjoy it and there's no embarrassing [TS]

  parts that like I mean there are parts [TS]

  that age but there's no part of your [TS]

  like oh I can't believe I've ever like [TS]

  this are all that so terrible it is it [TS]

  holds up as well as you can imagine any [TS]

  movie from that era are holding up in [TS]

  terms of still exciting the pacing is [TS]

  still good the dialogue there is no [TS]

  incredibly embarrassing dialogue some of [TS]

  it is witty some of it is interesting [TS]

  there hidden meanings that you might not [TS]

  have gotten when you're a kid if you [TS]

  haven't seen this movie in years i [TS]

  recommend giving another watch [TS]

  yeah yeah oh yeah i mean both both of [TS]

  our kids were just like this is awesome [TS]

  and they wanted to watch it again the [TS]

  next day and the day after that right [TS]

  that's a good sign [TS]

  the description of Matthew Broderick you [TS]

  know intelligent but underachieving [TS]

  bored in school that makes him the [TS]

  perfect Soviet recruit that now would [TS]

  directly lead him into anonymous or the [TS]

  NSA the NSA yeah yeah make a choice or [TS]

  do both [TS]

  king will be ok yeah all right I think [TS]

  we are we have reached the end we have [TS]

  played our last game of tic-tac-toe to [TS]

  what conclusion I want only because i [TS]

  wasn't paying attention [TS]

  that's it you should you should you [TS]

  should listen to that dumpy guy with a [TS]

  one-line he had the right strategy begin [TS]

  with that we listened know we made fun [TS]

  of them yeah x in the center square [TS]

  always always go for Paul in back with [TS]

  that's thanks in the center square [TS]

  that's the that's the story also will [TS]

  have that he'll have the sauce eerie [TS]

  joinder totie Fields brazier who no [TS]

  doubt it's it's the Warsaw double [TS]

  aggression [TS]

  oh my alright i'd like to thank my [TS]

  guests for this lovely conversation [TS]

  about a movie from 1983 movie that is [TS]

  not yet old enough for old movie club [TS]

  but it's is not exactly contemporary [TS]

  after all it's only 30 years old [TS]

  yeah that's it that's not it it's [TS]

  practically you know it's it's probably [TS]

  not even probably on DVD yet it's only [TS]

  releases that fits in the new release [TS]

  shelf at the video store the closed five [TS]

  years together it's it's only on the [TS]

  verge of having its own children it's [TS]

  alright [TS]

  yeah it's okay at least it's at least [TS]

  eight years away from falling into the [TS]

  public domain exactly this time this [TS]

  time for all of that so I'd like to [TS]

  thank my guests for discussing a great [TS]

  NOS thank you for reliving the eighties [TS]

  with any time Jason I had a future then [TS]

  ya huh [TS]

  get out that old modem do some war [TS]

  dialing you'll be back in back in [TS]

  business before you know it [TS]

  that's that I i enjoyed BBS is when I [TS]

  could read faster than the characters [TS]

  could appear at that it was a key [TS]

  yeah you know his modem picks up speed [TS]

  at various points in an unrealistic way [TS]

  I think we it's slow at reading pace and [TS]

  then it's like well now it uses the same [TS]

  dramatic config file that Joshua does [TS]

  during the pregnant pauses yes that's [TS]

  right now is anything wrong [TS]

  David lower thanks for being here oh [TS]

  thank you for having this was a lot of [TS]

  fun and Enoch oh thank you i think USA [TS]

  is going to kick ass the 84 olympics [TS]

  all the way LA USA [TS]

  yeah I'm with you there one that woman [TS]

  didn't tell him and John siracusa I i [TS]

  think that real genius is funnier than [TS]

  this movie but I i still like this movie [TS]

  a lot [TS]

  what do you think like most pretty fast [TS]

  Jason stop and look around once in a [TS]

  while you might miss it [TS]

  mr. Potato Head [TS]

  mr. Potato Head & chick but we don't [TS]

  need roads I'm telling you Ferris [TS]

  Bueller he's got a computer up there [TS]

  he's at all coming together i'm gonna [TS]

  i'm gonna become famous by posting one [TS]

  of those theorists grand unified [TS]

  theories like the pixar theory on this [TS]

  is already at dr website there it's all [TS]

  gonna be Matthew Broderick Matthew [TS]

  Broderick is playing the same part in [TS]

  every movie ever [TS]

  so that means did you see the Indies and [TS]

  his ribs and oh god I i would hate to [TS]

  think that that's true [TS]

  did you see I saw pics are doing today [TS]

  that Jesse's original owner is Andy's [TS]

  mom [TS]

  yeah but the hand different that's a [TS]

  different you know I agree it was it was [TS]

  very much the hey I'm going to blow your [TS]

  mind and then the bio was like this is [TS]

  by a crazy guy who thinks all the movies [TS]

  gonna go get the bad guy at the crazy [TS]

  the crazy allmovie connected theory I [TS]

  like that one because they admit up [TS]

  front look this is a crazy theory is [TS]

  probably not true but let's play the fun [TS]

  game [TS]

  can we make a theory that seems like [TS]

  these movies are connected it seemed [TS]

  like it was self-aware but the jessie's [TS]

  mom theory was like I can't tell to red [TS]

  hats are different and that was not good [TS]

  yeah yeah I can't see colors of red but [TS]

  still i even i knew was crazy it was a [TS]

  shape it wasn't a color it was a [TS]

  different color but you can you can toss [TS]

  off the color to age but they're [TS]

  differently shaped ats differently [TS]

  shaped that's all right well that's it [TS]

  we're gonna shut off the computer here [TS]

  which is going to fortunately avert a [TS]

  nuclear war for another day or so don't [TS]

  worry it will just keep skyping you back [TS]

  and skyping you back and skyping you [TS]

  back sorry both the dog just knocked [TS]

  over my trash can it's still recording [TS]

  the podcast Jason no [TS]

  collapse collapse Showtime but just a [TS]

  little a little clock that is going [TS]

  day for our 12-minute 13 well Joshua if [TS]

  you're out there [TS]

  don't call me I'll call you when Tony's [TS]

  to come out and say supposing the actual [TS]

  podcast the simulation to look at it [TS]

  until the next time i'd like to remind [TS]

  everybody out there to put the X in the [TS]

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  check out the comfortable com not only [TS]

  do we have the total party killed the [TS]

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