Roderick on the Line

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00:00:19 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► hello hi John [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► hi Merlin how's it going good boy it's [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► late is it it's late [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► Shh late the Sun is the sun is in the [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► sky not like when we normally record [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► when the Sun is just peeping up over the [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► horizon displays in Addis just mocking [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► mocking our existence [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► oh that's son that that darn son [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► ya hoo happy happy easter thank you uh I [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► do feel happy about it you doing special [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► com easter was you know Easter isn't [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► like one of the main holidays in my [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► culture and tradition it's a it's a it [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► is a holiday course I remember my sister [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► when she was a little girl she and I we [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► had our own bedrooms but we also had a [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► bunk bed and sometimes the bunk bed was [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► in my room and sometimes it was in her [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► room and when the bump it was in my room [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► she never came in and slept in my room [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► but when the bunk bed was in her room [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► sometimes I would go in and sleep in her [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► room to like just comfort her and I [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► remember one Easter morning we were [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► sitting on the top bunk together looking [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► out the window and my sister swears now [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► she was just a child [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► I mean I was probably seven she was four [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► or five [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► she swears that we saw the Easter bunny [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► Oh in the backyard and she swears to it [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► to this day my memories are unclear [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► about whether or not I saw the Easter [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► Bunny or whether I just in a big [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► brotherly fashion reinforced that she [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► had seen the Easter Bunny uh huh you [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► know it's it's it was a long time ago of [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► all holidays [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► it feels like it has the biggest net [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► disconnect between why we theoretically [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► observe it and then what we actually do [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► I moving great with Christmas even if [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► you're like a secular person you [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► probably still have a certain amount of [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► like like Christian like Christmas [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► carols playing and stuff like that but [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► like for for not observing people easter [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► is really about candy this is a very [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► like the thing is my daughter's an age [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► where now everything is about candy is a [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► candy lawyer [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► she's constantly negotiating the candy [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► like all day and today has been nothing [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► but a long series of negotiations about [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► candy [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► yeah fortunately my child is still sort [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► of pre candy who I won't last forever [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► you get a bunny [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► uh I have you know frankly on a full [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► disclosure who have not seen her today [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► yeah because she went to battling him [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► we're grandparents live [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► that's nice and they are having a full [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► day where the Easter dress at church and [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► all the wonderful American holiday [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► traditions and I have been kind of [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► running around like a crazy person [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► yeah it getting ready to really nail [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► down now the easter evening holiday [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► celebration [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► uh no in fact I've been running around [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► like a crazy person because I and I have [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► kind of a surprise [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► it's something like to share with our [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► listeners have a little bit of surprise [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► that i wanted that I want to reveal to [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► our listeners that I want to share with [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► Merlin my close personal friend I can't [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► wait to hear already i think i'm ready [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► and as ready as I'm gonna be [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► ru ru when you're ready chair and got [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► the bail Reddy better earn it tomorrow i [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► am declaring my candidacy for seattle [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► city council [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► that was kind of a muted bell well you [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► know there's a lot to talk about [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► haha we don't have time to let it ring [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► as much as that's right we should get [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► right on it as much as you europe europe [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► political now John you gotta go right to [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► the brass tacks so true I i need to [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► learn how to give a concise interview [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► oh I gotta write this one down right [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► concise interview I need to be able to [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► say what my policies and plans are in a [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► very short a truncated sort of sound by [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► the way which is intrinsically a method [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► of speaking that I distrust and uh and [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► yet it is the way of that this business [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► is conducted sometimes ideas can be a [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► little bit like having nausea we feel [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► like you're not done until they're all [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► out and you know what i mean i'm not i'm [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► not really done here [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► I mean I'm taking a break nice-looking a [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► lot to get out of here to start a new [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► list here it's called John's [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► opportunities for growth and the first [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► 1i have is a concise interviews concise [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► interviews this is that this is a growth [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► opportunity a steak for me and so so as [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► as you may or may not know a the the way [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► that this campaign is going to run there [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► is a primary that happens in august and [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► in some ways August seems a million [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► miles away but of course i will be doing [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► lots and lots of going to BBQ news and [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► kissing babies and saying what my ideas [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► are over and over so there's plenty of [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► opportunity between now in august for me [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► to get my ideas out there right but the [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► challenge for me is going to be to not [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► want to tell everyone all my ideas the [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► first time that I meet them or talk to [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► them right and also i am running on a [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► premise that I am listening to your [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► ideas you citizens of Seattle and you [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► people who are listening who are not [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► citizens of Seattle who would who feel [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► like they are in some way a global [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► citizen of Seattle I want to hear other [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► people's ideas right i mean that the [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► being on city council is [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► about your ideas it's about it's about [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► the city's ideas [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► it seems like a road down and not bad [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► went down and dirty kind of job there's [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► a lot of things with get millage you got [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► zoning you got parking I don't know [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► anything about this but i'm just [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► guessing there's a lot of like how the [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► city actually functions that second I [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► know about me [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► that is exactly right as you know about [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► me i am fascinated by all those things [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► you love infrastructure i do i love the [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► ins and outs the ups and downs i love [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► what's under manhole covers that I love [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► what's on top of telephone poles and so [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► the job is ideal for me I i will 3i will [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► relish it [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► I will relish sitting at a dais and [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► listening to people talk about zoning um [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► but but the challenge in getting there [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► is that in our country we have a we have [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► a concept of who it is that that [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► occupies these rolls right uh people [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► that go into government are a certain [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► kind of person and we typically think of [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► them as either lawyers or people who [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► have sort of been professional activists [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► their whole career and they kind of earn [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► the job and then they think of it as a [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► professional job that they are [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► professional legislature and the thing [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► about me is that I'm an actual a [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► Democrat in the sense that I think that [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► citizens should be involved in [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► government my farmers used to just be in [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► office for a while and then they go back [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► to farming thank you [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► m-my since we're figuring out how to [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► push books off the shelf right down [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► going into the tesseract that is through [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► a black hole and we don't touch today [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► but I tried to watch it i try to watch [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► it we got a single back i want to talk [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► about it I really do i I want to hear [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► your thoughts on my car hey but listen [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► so I'm so I'm trying to convince the [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► city of seattle not just that i will be [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► a great person on this city council but [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► also that it is not that dangerous to [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► elect somebody who is talking about art [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► as a civic virtue and not every city [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► come in every city councilperson in [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► seattle has generally the same ideas [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► I mean because Seattle is a liberal [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► utopia we all think that there should be [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► more transit we don't think there should [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► be affordable housing right there's it's [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► not like there's somebody running for [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► seattle city council who thinks that the [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► earth was created in seven days and who [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► wants a blood wave to sweep away that [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► same-sex marriages or whatever the hell [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► the platform he would be very unusual [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► here know everybody here is a liberal [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► and that's a wonderful opportunity and [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► my challenges that i'm going to go in [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► front of the city and say listen there's [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► never been an artist on city government [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► and that is precisely what we need and [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► that is precisely where we go next [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► it's time to take a big leap forward and [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► some of that big leap forward is a is a [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► stretch of the imagination that we not [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► keep putting like people who are down in [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► the weeds are in a in positions of power [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► on city government because there's no [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► reason to think that they are going to [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► stay in the weeds right but that's a [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► challenge right out there a lot of the [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► people that are the gatekeepers between [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► me and the citizens of Seattle the only [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► way they have to compare candidates [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► against one another is this is this [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► model a lot like well your your your [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► opponent says that there should be more [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► buses and trains what do you say i also [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► think there should be more buses and [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► trains well how is that different than [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► your opponent frankly it's practically [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► not different because the truth is we [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► need more buses and trains and I mean [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► there's no why would anybody have a [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► different attitude right nobody would so [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► how do you differentiate between us and [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► the differentiation becomes a question [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► of who can tell who can tell this story [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► to the citizens of Seattle and make [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► people invested in doing what is [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► ultimately the hard work of building a [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► better place [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► that's good that was good oh thank you [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► well practicing I have to just do this [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► now every day for the next six months [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► right and then then everybody then [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► people will then there's a popularity [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► contest where they decide which [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► candidate is appeals to them more i [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► think a lot of voters pick the one whose [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► hair looks better before I do [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► happen I do have good hair so in that [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► yeah but you got farm-to-table hair [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► you've got locally-sourced like you [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► literally cut your own hair and how many [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► other candidates are gonna be able to [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► say that my man i cannot tell you last [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► night i'm writing my platform speech and [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► what did i do I decided that I needed to [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► give myself a haircut two o'clock in the [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► morning i'm standing in the mirror and [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► I'm cutting my hair and of one of the [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► very one of the clearest voices in my [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► head is telling me idiot [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► do not cut your hair right now if this [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► could go a lot of ways and I lobby [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► vision though it sometimes you have to [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► know how to make that vision being [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► implemented in ways that may seem [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► non-obvious right right but and and [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► luckily in this case i did a pretty good [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► job of cutting my hair looks pretty good [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► but I'm you know what it means is that I [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► walk out the door the next morning not [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► full of hair confidence i walk out the [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► door with a little bit of hearing [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► society because I cut it in the middle [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► of the night with a pair of construction [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► paper so that and now I'm walking out to [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► stand in front of the city and say I am [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► an American and also someone who is not [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► a lunatic and i propose to represent you [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► well and effectively in city government [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► and i cut my hair last night [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► any questions hello you there for those [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► of you who throws you don't know me I am [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► gonna rock your next city councilman mm [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► well I like the sound of that so and of [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► course one of the challenges for me is [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► that this podcast for instance here's [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► the thing that I cannot imagine [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► sacrificing and this podcast is not [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► something that any of the other [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► candidates for City Council have like a [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► similar podcast compared to who [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► right it's not there isn't a precedent I [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► don't think and then it's I think fairly [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► rare in government that someone is [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► proposing to be in government and also [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► once a week talk to his friend with the [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► utmost candor [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► uh-huh about what's happening in their [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► lives and so it shows that you're not [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► afraid to discuss the difficult issues [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► well let's let's hope I mean this is the [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► thing we we talk about politicians in a [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► certain way we want them to be a certain [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► way [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► but the only people who run for office [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► are people with unrealistic hair under [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► some of them have unbelievable hair and [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► who tell us you know who do that thing [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► where they convince us that they [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► actually do have a foolproof plan and [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► the only people who really believe they [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► have a foolproof plan are our other [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► fools who have not who don't have enough [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► information to know how wrong they are [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► or sociopaths the reality is if you go [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► into public office what you should say [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► first and foremost is I am going into [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► this job to listen to people and and [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► here every side and and I mean somebody [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► has to choose and that's who you're [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► pointing you elect people to office to [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► choose on your behalf but what makes [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► that person a good chooser is not that [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► they go into office already with it with [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► it like an unshakable faith in their own [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► ideas right it's what makes them a good [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► choosers that they are that they're good [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► listeners that they are thoughtful that [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► they have a bra breadth of knowledge and [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► then you empower that person to choose [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► for for you and you have your faith in [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► them you trust that they're going to [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► choose based on what they have learned [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► not based on what they already know her [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► based on what they think they know are [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► based on what they've known since they [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► were five because everything they ever [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► needed to know they learned in [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► kindergarten [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► yeah especially for a job or you know [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► what to say at this level [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► what I mean is that it is a again I [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► don't know anything about politics but [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► it strikes me that is a very it's it's a [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► job where there's lots of where the [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► decisions that you make have a [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► potentially fairly short path from [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► hopefully seemed like a good idea to [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► being something that's doable to being [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► something that can be implemented [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► whereas you could run as 11 could run as [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► an outsider in a presidential race [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► mostly just stir things up and change [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► the kinds of conversations that people [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► have but you know there's obviously [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► there's no evidence that that person [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► necessarily gonna be great being [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► president but it would become clear if [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► they if they didn't have the gust 0 to [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► jump into [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► so what I'm trying to avoid what my wife [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► about the issues like what [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► Johnson's doesn't hate bureaucracy and I [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► like actually John does not hate [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► bureaucracy because he does not consider [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► bureaucracy to be a bad word [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► not in the sense of being like busywork [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► or deliver push back to make government [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► opaque and we have that episode we [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► talked about Romania where they don't [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► have any they don't have as so much of a [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► bureaucracy [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► I'm gonna get you trouble I don't you [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► gotta remain in lobby there but [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► specifically that you'll be driving down [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► the street and someone is just [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► necessarily there has been that way for [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► months and it's a bureaucracy that [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► enables you to have that sort of stuff [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► happened [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► having the right people make those [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► decisions make sure that the sore loser [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► in place right [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► I write an effective bureaucracy is [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► incredibly civilizing technology [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► yeah and again a bureaucracy is another [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► thought technology that it's it's it's [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► our invention and if it works well my [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► goodness you have you have someplace to [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► go to file a complaint [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► I mean think about it and expect [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► something might actually be done about [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► right file a complaint and somebody [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► actually takes your complaint and then [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► something changes right so no i mean i-i [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► love that function of of local [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► government and the thing about the thing [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► about it here is that we really are what [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► what's what's so fantastic about this [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► moment is that I think nationwide [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► there's this tremendous frustration we [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► feel like nothing is working now that [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► you know it's never been worse than it [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► is now you hear people say that all the [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► time people people young people kind of [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► saving up asking as your grandparents [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► about that all right hand and a certain [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► level you know because because things [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► like Ferguson happening because there's [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► there's a greater wealth inequality than [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► there's ever been to be at least in [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► people's immediate lifetimes they feel [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► like all these problems are [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► insurmountable and it's know and i'm [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► giving up hope and I'm a cynic it's [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► there's no chance for us but in fact [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► things have never been better than they [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► are now there's never been more justice [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► than there is now there's never been [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► more quality than there is now like we [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► have succeeded so much and now we're out [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► on the car [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► sip of making a giant stride people we [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► have the technology to do it we have the [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► consensus it at least in our cities that [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► mean seattle is a liberal uh it's like [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► us like a giant city where over the [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► course of decades a pretty radical [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► liberal consensus has settled in to [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► place like even the Chamber of Commerce [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► in seattle is liberal deeply liberal and [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► this is this is an incredible [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► opportunity but the thing about the [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► thing about us is liberals have always [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► felt persecuted they felt persecuted by [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► the FBI and the police that the FBI was [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► was wiretapping Martin Luther King like [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► we're used to being in the opposition [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► and so in a city like Seattle it's very [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► hard for the Liberals here to recognize [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► we are in charge here we this is a [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► liberal utopia that is on the cusp of [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► happening and we just have to we have to [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► recognize that we are the establishment [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► now and we can make a radical liberal [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► agenda happen [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► we just have to first of all recognize [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► that we are not we're not proposing a [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► violent revolution against ourselves [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► like where the establishment we can put [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► our policies into place and I really do [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► believe more than ever before that who [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► were on the verge of a technology [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► revolution [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► we've talked about this you and me so [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► much but like we are in the next five [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► years going to see technology transform [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► cities like that the promise of the [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► internet me no matter how II is sitting [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► in his driveway trying to get his garage [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► door to open from his phone and we laugh [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► but the reality is that is the way that [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► it's going and that is going to [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► transform our urban life and that's [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► incredibly exciting and nobody in city [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► government here or in san francisco or [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► really anywhere is [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► trying to say listen in the next 10 [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► years a lot of these 20th century [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► problems are going to change radically [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► and seattle is still trying to build a [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► highway tunnel under the city to solve a [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► twentieth-century traffic problem [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► uh-huh okay you know what I mean yeah [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► yeah but the 21st century solution is [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► like it's it's almost here [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► the thing is we can't quite see it right [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► Elon Musk is developing it in his garage [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► but it's actually real you know and [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► we're gonna have we're gonna have a real [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► switcheroo in terms of what what are [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► open [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► what are benign toolboxes so anyway we [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► have in seattle at least we have a [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► little a general liberal consensus we [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► have we're on the cusp of this [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► technology wave and we also like San [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► Francisco have this prosperity wave [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► there's so much money right and it's [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► just time to turn that money into cool [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► things you know school city thing the [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► thing is how he strikes me I always um [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► like what our current president was [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► running for president I was one of those [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► people that one of those very relatively [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► few people most of my friends were like [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► that guy seems amazing he's certainly a [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► great speaker [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► he's obviously got a great heart but I [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► was always a little more than a little [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► bit resistant although I was resistant [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► to him being marketed in terms of the [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► word hope but I was downright cynical [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► about how much I felt like people who [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► should know better [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► didn't understand what's really involved [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► in being the president and I don't even [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► talk about it today because you know i [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► think the guy still does a pretty great [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► job but at the same time you know those [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► posters probably seemed a little bit [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► weird i mean if you if you like Martian [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► Selma oh my god talk about hope I mean [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► what what could be a greater thing i [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► would not in a million years but I think [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► it's important that instance to separate [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► the the amazing historical shift then [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► specifically and having the block IB [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► president it's huge but I the things we [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► always go through my head [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► this for his job and even more so maybe [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► for your job is like how much of your [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► day [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► maybe that's not strictly true but how [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► much of your day you end up having to [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► decide who's gonna be disappointed by [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► what you decide what you decided i don't [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► know how much you get to decide but by [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► how much has to be implemented in a [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► certain way for the greater good or [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► whatever that's the part that I that I [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► find so for me also unappealing about a [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► job like that i wanna be loved [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► yeah and I would find it so difficult to [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► know what you I mean anybody's you [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► you've had to run a band out of a van [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► and you know what it means when you say [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► no we can't take a pee break now and no [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► you can't have french fries [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► he's not in the budget it's not fun but [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► I i wonder how you feel about that [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► because it just seems like no matter [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► what job you take in politics setting [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► aside all the optics of how you end up [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► looking a certain way to somebody it [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► seems like a block of your job has to be [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► saying no or maybe at times it would be [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► nice to be able to just always say yes [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► when this is the this is the reason that [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► we have such a struggle with with people [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► that hold public office is that every [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► single situation involves somebody [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► making a compromise and we keep [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► collecting people who are dishonest [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► about that and who say we can have [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► everything we can have our cake and eat [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► it too [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► everybody wins and making sacrifices [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► isn't bad like it's part of living in a [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► city it's part of its part of being part [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► of a family right you make sacrifices [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► and there's something incredibly noble [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► about that and the problem with our [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► culture is that we we are afraid to say [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► that and so we lie about it and then [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► when the sacrifices come people feel [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► betrayed the what we need are people who [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► go up to public office and say listen [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► everybody's going to have to pitch in [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► here and that's a wonderful thing that's [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► a wonderful business and a and the [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► people that have the opportunity to [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► pitch in or the or the [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► who have the prosperity the kitchen a [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► little bit more right like here's how [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► and we welcome your contribution and you [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► know so often from the left there's this [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► sense of of saying like well income [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► inequality is uh is this intolerable [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► thing which it is but what that means is [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► that the rich are enemy and the only way [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► that we will redistribute the wealth is [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► that we go to war with the rich and [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► that's very galvanizing it makes people [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► feel like boy you've really got a plan [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► and where we've got we're going to take [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► some action here also that you're not [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► afraid to tell me the thing I kinda was [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► expecting to hear and wanted to hear [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► yeah right you're not which is very very [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► simple tell me the exciting thing that I [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► already thought but it's very different [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► to say like you know the people [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► certainly the people in Seattle who are [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► the most rich and the most famous you [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► know there are people that had an idea [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► and they turned it into a business in [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► them then American capitalism took that [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► business and turn it into an enormous [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► pile of money but they are not our enemy [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► they are as people who need to be [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► encouraged by our culture and by I mean [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► select I mean selective judicious [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► application of laws and regulation but [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► also a community commitment to say hi [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► you are super rich you live in this town [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► we know you want to help [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► here's how you can help we're going to [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► do a public-private partnership that [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► funds our transit with the funds of the [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► construction of rail and that rail is [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► going to go right through the [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► neighborhoods where you build your [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► business so it's going to serve you and [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► it's going to serve your your companies [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► and we need a little help in the form of [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► your contribution because when you built [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► this business here you stressed the [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► infrastructure of the city and that's [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► great that's growth and that's how it [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► works but now it's time to give back and [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► i don't mean give back by just paying [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► your income tax I mean recognize that [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► you you need that you need to step up [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► and be be actually a corporate citizen [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► and take some responsibility [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► and that kind of you know and that [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► includes like oh did you move to seattle [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► are because you got a really high-paying [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► tech job and now you're living in a cool [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► off downtown and you have a BMW 740i and [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► then the biggest TV that you can buy and [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► now you still have more money than you [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► know what to do with well great [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► here's an opportunity for you to also be [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► part of civic life and put a little bit [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► of that money into making the city a [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► better place for people that don't start [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► making that kind of cash and that [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► conversation which is not about passing [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► laws as much as it is about saying in [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► cities like Seattle we do business a [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► different way and we're not just going [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► to default to Wall Street values or [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► cupertino tech bro values you know we're [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► gonna we're gonna not default we're [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► going to assert our values which are [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► actually progressive urbanist and and [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► there's a higher income you know doing [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► business in seattle has a lot of [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► incentives it also comes with an [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► additional opportunity to put your money [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► where your mouth this you know i mean [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► Jeff Bezos is a liberal and he wants to [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► do a good job [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► i mean i-i think about Bill Gates Bill [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► Gates was the richest man in the world [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► for 15 years and he never gave away a [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► penny until will warren buffett called [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► him and said hey hey it's an [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► embarrassment really true [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► yeah Wow called him and said listen [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► you're the richest man in the world you [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► need to have a foundation you start [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► giving your money away to not do it is [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► an embarrassment and Bill Gates heard it [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► and started the Gates Foundation which [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► is an incredible asset to the world [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► right but nobody passed the law that [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► forced bill gates to redistribute his [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► income somebody called him and said hey [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► Kai you want to do a better job than [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► this and you need to do it and Bill [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► Gates was a human being and he heard [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► that message and he and you know and [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► that isn't that's not naive to [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► talk about from the standpoint of of [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► somebody running for office [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► it's you can't go through life saying [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► everybody that that has more money than [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► me is morally suspect the the the real [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► job is to say listen we're all in this [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► together [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► it's hard on everybody and like don't [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► you want to help and that applies to [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► people that are making $50,000 to we [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► want to make it we want to make this [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► city a better place [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► ok everybody pick up a shovel right [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► Graham and that is that is that that is [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► the difference between like running for [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► office and saying here's my three-point [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► plan to pass laws to to penalize [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► developers and to create a you know [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► purple carp and it's like great every [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► one of those laws that you pass creates [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► a cascading wave of problems you didn't [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► anticipate you need to pass laws pretty [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► judiciously and you need to think about [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► all the potential problems you know [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► before you just start saying alright our [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► new law is because we've seen we've seen [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► that countless time so it happens every [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► year there's a new law [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► Oh hundred thousand new problems but [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► there isn't there is nothing naive or at [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► and i think it is the purview of some of [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► somebody on something for instance like [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► a city council to say hello Seattle we [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► have we have to we have to evolve a [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► different way of doing business here and [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► that can be exciting for us that can be [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► that is absolutely the way this [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► conversation should happen and I don't [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► you know I don't know if Jeff Bezos is [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► listening to reach pretty sure that you [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► know sometimes you should just in that [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► is so Jeff just speaking to you directly [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► this is a fantastic opportunity and I [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► have some ideas about affordable housing [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► to build down in the neighborhood around [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► amazon and I have some clear ideas about [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► transit ticket those many workers in and [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► out of your campus [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► and its really in the long run not going [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► to cost that much [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► mmm yeah already getting good at this [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► right see all right here's the thing [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► about a pivot I want to hear [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► okay i want to come out against are [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► gonna talk about your new way of cooking [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► chicken or we find out early for the [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► next few months I won't have time to do [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► you know how many people I can help you [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► have any idea its they could not be any [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► simpler and people are not going to go [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► to hear about until late November what [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► would i would go you chicken thing [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► chicken thing [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► no you know what we're going to do is [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► going to be operated thing about equal [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► time John equal time about this podcast [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► is that it cannot be just about making [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► Seattle a better place to live it has to [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► be about making the world a better place [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► to making the world a better place and [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► making and revolutionize and everybody's [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► chicken cooking techniques [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► alright and say that feels really [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► piddling stuff it's an amazing thought [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► technology and maybe next this episode [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► of Roderick online is sponsored by slack [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► the messaging app for teams slack [TS]

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00:32:40 ◼   ► many thanks to slack for taking some of [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► the pain out of staying connected and [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► for supporting Roderick on the line [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► there's a pivot that I think first of [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► all I don't know why at the 30-minute [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► mark I feel the need to say this I like [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► to point out is not a prefers this is [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► real John is actually doing this like [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► you you know people are going to ask [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► yeah well I'm and one of the things [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► about one of the things about my [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► candidacy is that it is an unusual thing [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► for somebody like me to run for public [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► office and and so yeah they're going to [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► be people who are like can this can this [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► be real and so you got you got Peter [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► Garrett you got jello biafra you got Tom [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► Ammiano you got all kinds of people from [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► the arts moving into politics you got [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► that the ronald reagan ronald reagan [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► that's right he moved from the arts into [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► politics and brought his brought this [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► classic artistic sensibility to what we [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► look for direct knowledge pick the [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► conduct of his office both as governor [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► of california and president [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► yeah you really wanted to do to San [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► Francisco with highways who dr. well he [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► you know Reagan is the one who took art [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► who defunded art right he's the one that [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► defunded the Arts in America because [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► Robert Mapplethorpe did some to add some [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► naked pictures yeah yeah and you know [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► and that is that's a legacy that we are [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► still suffering from ok so here's a big [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► thing on during our the big pivot is I'm [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► curious the questions i have I think [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► we'll have plenty of time to hear about [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► your platform [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► haha i've had had a good three years of [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► hearing about your platform already [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► oh you wanna hear about my platform [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► gonna call you after we get done with [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► this podcast and i've been napping on [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► your platform from us and the past [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► supertree but we're going here goes [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► so the I don't know um i guess i'm [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► curious about their students i can go [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► and you can pick which one of these you [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► want but the the the what kind of [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► question i'm super curious about is how [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► does this change stuff in your in your [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► your life and you talk about it anyway [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► you want the other thing i'd like to [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► talk about is what do you think it's [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► gonna be most difficult about this you [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► can take the second question first if [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► you want i want i mean what's difficult [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► about this not just in terms of making [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► it happen what's hard for you what do [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► you have to sacrifice one of the things [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► you're most on the bubble about either [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► in terms of concern or worry or [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► sacrifice that like you kind of go now [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► I'm gonna miss that being that way [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► other things like that there you go like [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► well I'm gonna set these kinds of things [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► aside [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► yeah but in the run-up to this I talked [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► to a lot of people in the professional [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► political class and they all gave me [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► very good advice it was all super good [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► advice but and and over the course of [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► several weeks of thinking about it all [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► that advice creek caused a lot of [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► anxiety in me because the way that [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► people in the professional political [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► class imagine it is that you run [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► somebody for office is that they have a [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► plan of a certain way of doing things [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► and your plan should have a certain [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► number of points I understand [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► well it's but the thing is it's very [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► interesting listicle for politics [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► it really is right but it is very [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► analogous to what happens when you're a [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► brand new band and you're about to put [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► your record out everybody that you [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► talked to in the music industry has a [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► very clear idea about what you need to [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► do next and they are more than happy to [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► tell you about what you need to do and [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► the problem is that that's all true [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► until a man comes along that doesn't do [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► any of those things and becomes the [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► biggest band in the world right and so [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► this was when i joined the music [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► business [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► everybody said I mean that seriously I [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► and I know you remember this [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► people said oh don't go on the internet [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► and talk to your fans right they don't [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► you know you need to maintain an air [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► mystique that's just rock and roll and [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► they say oh you need to you know don't [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► waste your money releasing vinyl nobody [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► buys vinyl anymore [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► save that money to spend on opening [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► weekend to try and get your record in [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► the top 10 [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► I'll say that for pitch for cats right [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► but you know or just like or you know [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► get it on myspace or whatever I mean [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► everybody knew exactly what you were [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► supposed to do until until the game [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► changed and that wasn't how you did it [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► so in the run-up to this people were [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► giving me a lot of advice and what they [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► were trying to do was either put me into [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► a box where I was claiming to be a [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► social activist or I was claiming to be [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► a you know like up like that music had [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► been this hobby but really i'd been a [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► secret politician the whole time and at [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► a certain point a few weeks ago I i said [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► to this group of advisors I was like [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► listen okay you know what this is this [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► is causing me a lot of stress because [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► I'm not either one of those things i am [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► an artist and I made a life for myself [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► as an artist and I believe in the [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► transformative power of art and if i can [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► get elected to the seattle city council [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► up with that then I can then i will run [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► because i believe it and I believe that [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► that art is a is one of the pillars of [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► civilization if you are telling me that [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► the only way I can get elected to the [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► seattle city council is that I pretend [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► that I've been a housing activists this [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► entire time or that I that I portray [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► myself as a as like a legal expert on [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► local government then there's no point [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► there's no point in me lying to people [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► because every other candidate is [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► portraying themselves in a certain light [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► and I'm just I have to just be myself [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► and I do believe that I can get elected [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► by doing that but it requires that we [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► that we change people's expectations i [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► guess but so that is the that's the [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► thing that's caused me the most stress [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► and it is the thing that is maybe going [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► to be the most difficult um you know for [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► me personally I have I relish my free [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► time and I relish the fact that i don't [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► have to wake up at the crack of dawn but [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► I wasn't gonna bring it up and this is [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► going to require that I that I change [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► that about myself but you know that is [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► very very do [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► global that is a you know those are [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► luxuries that by afforded myself but [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► I've said on this podcast and you and I [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► have talked for years about the fact [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► that you have to set that you have to [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► set your aspirations for yourself [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► somewhere and you get to be 45 years old [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► and there's a tremendous pole to set [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► your aspirations for yourself right [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► about where you're at right [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► oh you know what my aspirations are to [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► just keep burbling along like I'm doing [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► there's a lot less disappointing right [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► right because it's so scary to be 45 and [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► to do something that puts you right back [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► in a place where you don't know what's [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► going to happen next [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► it's much better to be like I know the [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► band's I like and I know the [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► neighborhood I like to go to and I and [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► I'd I go to the pub and they know me by [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► name and and I'm doing pretty good but [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► but that isn't that isn't enough for me [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► and never has been in and so you know do [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► I have to get up in the morning in order [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► to do this I I absolutely do [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► and do i have to learn to love it i'm [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► not sure if that's possible but it is [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► you know I am galvanized by a desire to [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► do something you know to take the [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► privilege that Seattle has afforded me [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► and and turn that back into sacrifice [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► yeah but like specifically candidate [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► like what it what do you what do you uh [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► what I realize this is gonna be a crazy [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► process and there's a lot of sugar be [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► learning about and reacting to as it [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► comes along but you know do you have in [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► mind are there things that you know [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► already where you go well that's the [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► thing i'm just not gonna be able to do [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► or the way that I like or at all or in a [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► different way [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► I mean obviously there's a thing of like [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► you know being able to talk in the way [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► that you might like on the show I mean I [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► know you're not a man whose necessarily [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► I don't think you somebody who purchases [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► what you say too much to begin with but [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► I mean like is there like as far as time [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► and stuff to you talk last year I'm [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► gonna get a refresher or [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► refer the gentleman to your earlier [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► remarks that you want to do my [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► songwriting this year and I guess this [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► probably came up in the interregnum but [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► what's the kind of stuff where you go [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► like that's gonna just have to be okay [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► for me to not do this particular thing [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► for a while other things like that [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► well you know this is absolutely going [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► to change my parenting [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► um I've had the opportunity to spend the [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► first four years of my daughter's life [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► kind of a at my leisure with her and now [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► i have to do what every parent has to do [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► which is learn to budget my time better [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► and learn to budget my time in such a [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► way that the last thing that suffers is [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► my daughter and that is going to require [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► a lot of a lot of additional effort and [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► thinking on my part to make sure that [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► she doesn't see less of me and yet I am [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► also doing all this new and additional [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► work who that you know the work that I [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► do now is real work it often looks like [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► sitting and staring at the wall it also [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► often looks like dreaming but that is [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► real creative work [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► the thing about this undertaking is that [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► the work that I need to do often just [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► looks like being there you know it means [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► getting up and getting in the car and [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► being there on time [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► listen to people takes a lot of time it [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► does not become not being silly i mean [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► making yourself available just 22 [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► I mean I I'm just to my own completely [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► non political experience and just the [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► number of people that have my email [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► address and can't one can email me or [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► text me like I don't always want to have [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► to talk to people all the time and it [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► seems like you're gonna have to have an [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► amount of on the one hand access [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► different than probably ever before that [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► you welcome and embrace but also that [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► there's going to be a lot more stuff i [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► mean look at the last couple what the [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► last week set aside being second easter [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► just how many times we have to change [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► the scheduling just good stuff that's [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► that's happened that's it that's going [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► to become like a thing you're going to [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► have to like be okay with how often [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► circumstances require you to do [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► something differently [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► yeah I i do have to and I have to be I [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► have to be there in a way but you know [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► it's funny I was doing a photoshoot [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► tonight [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► downtown getting some pictures you know [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► up for the launch and i'm standing on [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► the street corner and a group of women [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► comes by and they're like hey you're [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► John Roderick and I go yeah hi [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► and they go what are you doing why you [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► standing you're getting your picture [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► taken you know they're all their little [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► bit older than me they're also women in [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► their early fifties and I said guess [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► what I'm running for City Council and [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► they were like oh my god that's [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► fantastic and we stood and we talked [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► about the city for a minute [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► we talked about what they perceive to be [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► the problems in the city and then they [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► were very content to say fantastic [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► we are so glad that you're running you [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► have our vote and then we all took a [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► picture together and then they were like [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► goodbye because there's a different way [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► of there's a different way that people [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► want to talk to a candidate if you know [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► if I had been like I'm just standing out [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► here thinking about some songs and [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► talking about some songs they would have [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► said great let's all what let's stay [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► here together for an hour and a half but [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► I'm a candidate for political office and [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► there's something in that where people [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► recognized I mean your most people [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► normal people recognize that you go [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► great let's get a picture you have our [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► votes goodbye and I'm standing there [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► having had this wonderful experience [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► with these people [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► I'm thinking well this is interesting [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► that was a that's they knew me as a [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► musician but when i said that i was [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► running for office all of a sudden we [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► had a very different conversation it was [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► yeah I read about that it's gonna be [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► real different [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► it was very enjoyable to like they were [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► excited i was running they offered their [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► support [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► he may be found a new way to make people [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► afraid of talking to you well so when I [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► would love to get a course on that so I [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► walked down the street about half a [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► block and there's another group of like [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► five people standing there there are a [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► couple of families they have a couple of [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► little kids and they're like hey uh [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► you're John Roderick and I go yeah hello [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► and I'm thinking to myself from this is [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► interesting like ever all the sudden i'm [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► walking down the street doing a [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► photoshoot and everybody in the world [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► knows who I am what but it's very [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► unusual right to see somebody standing [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► there getting their picture taken on the [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► sidewalk [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► and so this group of people says hi you [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► know what are you doing and I say oh I'm [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► running for public office and they said [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► we just overheard you talking to those [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► people and we wondered if that was what [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► it was and I said yes I'm running for [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► City Council we talked for a few minutes [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► they told me what they thought needed to [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► happen in the city and they said we're [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► so excited for you you have our vote [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► let's get a picture [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► goodbye and I was like what is this this [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► is a very different as soon as your [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► candidate people are talking to [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► differently so it is about being there [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► it's about talking to people but also [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► it's a completely different conversation [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► than the way people want to talk to [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► their favorite musician [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► Wow and so it's so you know quite [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► candidly I was energized by both [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► exchanges and and that was exciting to [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► me now i know that running for public [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► office there's gonna be somebody that [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► wants to talk to me about chemtrails for [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► an hour and a half but little do they [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► know that i am an expert on chemtrails [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► but also you might you might want to [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► have a blue ribbon panel but here's the [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► thing i am i'm gonna i'm gonna have a [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► campaign manager who's standing next to [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► me with some kind of a large phone and [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► that camp and i already have this person [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► my campaign manager already is a person [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► who actually has a large phone [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► Wow see that was that smart staffing mhm [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► and this campaign manager it is good [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► question do you have a large phone [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► yes a large fuckin I see it can IC you [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► operate and but but then the person the [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► person is gonna come up and say what I'm [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► going to do about chemtrails and mine [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► and of course I'm gonna go let me tell [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► you about my policy about chemtrails and [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► my campaign manager with my with the [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► large phone is going to lean in and i'm [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► going to say mr. Roderick we have to go [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► and I'm gonna go you don't want I don't [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► want I want to engage you on chemtrails [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► I really do but we're going to table [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► this until I see you next and i will not [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► be lying [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► yeah but also i will be able to get away [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► because i have somebody whose job it is [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► to recognize the tin foil hat [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► even with a year about the even when [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► they're under a different kind of hat so [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► anyway so that is good you know my life [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► was my life is going to change it really [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► is and a lot of it is going to be [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► availability to people accessibility but [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► you know there's another thing which is [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► I realized as going into this I don't [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► want to run against the other people who [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► are campaigning for the seat [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► it sounds like what you described I mean [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► private i guess but you sound like you [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► have a lot of respect for the people [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► were running i have absolutely nothing [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► against my opponents I think anybody [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► that wants to having just even entered [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► into the process as much as I have I [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► have tremendous respect for anybody that [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► runs for office it is excruciatingly [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► difficult and it really is sacrifice you [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► know it when we talk about we think [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► people for their service who have served [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► in the military i heard they don't like [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► that I interesting that you know they [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► they think they think each other for [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► their service [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► uh-huh it thinking somebody for their [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► service where it feels gratuitous or it [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► feels like it's some kind of way to pat [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► yourself was like me talking to Ramona [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► in the last day of the cruise it's a [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► little condescending right you don't [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► want to condescend to somebody who [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► actually has who has done some heart [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► literally risk their life for several [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► years and then you get to be you get to [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► congratulate yourself because you thank [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► them for their service great they can [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► smell that I think but the reality is [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► that public service takes a lot of forms [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► and one of those forms is engaging in [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► your is participating in your government [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► so I don't want to die I don't have no [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► desire to run for this office by [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► denigrating my opponents or by a by [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► saying you sir are no Jack Kennedy or [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► whatever maybe what I mean I'm you [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► haven't asked if you want some help [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► coming up with singers like that I'd be [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► happy to write well you know what i have [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► i have lloyd bentsen on my speed dial [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► haha i but but [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► and so in the end of the fact is i do [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► not know at some point in this election [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► and I'm absolutely sure it will happen [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► that somebody will say something really [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► nasty about me [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► no I think it's something i don't think [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► it's gonna happen i think well you know [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► it's hard to know it depends really its [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► early days it's early and it probably [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► won't happen tomorrow but somewhere [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► along the line I do everything right and [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► cha but somebody's gonna take a shot at [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► me and of course as you know those of us [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► who spend all our time on the internet [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► we do not want people to yell at us a [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► and part of this job is putting yourself [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► out there and inviting at least [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► affording people the opportunity if they [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► want to yell at you [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► here you are I would go further than [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► that it's part of your job to take out [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► that's right it's it's it's not optional [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► right and so that is that will require a [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► kind of a well you know what ultimately [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► i think a kind of humility and as you [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► know I've been trying to learn and [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► embrace humility for a long time and [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► even gearing up this much to run for [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► office like the humility opportunities [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► come every day on a big platter and if [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► you run for office like full of [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► arrogance its it's here it's a gross to [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► a service or a gross miss apprehension [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► of what the job is [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► and I really do feel like the humility [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► of standing there and letting people [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► take shots at you and and then and and [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► and you keep standing and you keep [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► talking about what you think matters is [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► something that I I've been practicing [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► for it for a long time and you know i [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► don't think anybody looks forward to it [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► but it's really going to change it for [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► me and particularly you know I mean I [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► have a kid I don't want she can't read [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► the newspapers yet but one day she will [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► she'll be sitting in the library stacks [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► looking at a microfiche uh-huh and [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► she'll be reading the newspaper accounts [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► on her microfiche because even though [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► the internet is going to transform urban [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► life [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► yes still students will read microfiche [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► absolutely it's part of the core [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► curriculum that father what did you do [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► during the chemtrails force [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► yeah and she'll be there looking at the [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► microfiche and there will be some [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► newspaper article where somebody says [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► have I have you ever really listened to [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► the supertrain episode of their podcast [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► that's nothing [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► haha that's that that's a romp that [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► one's that one's I think that one's [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► actually that would bring a lot of [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► people into your big tension if I could [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► you think so yeah oh yeah that's not I'm [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► not gonna I'm not gonna help that i'm [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► not gonna help the competition by [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► picking out upset but you did you think [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► it will bring all the boys to the yard [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► make it sure could [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► mm ah but you this is gonna be your job [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► yeah right i mean let's be clear here [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► you need to campaign for are the primary [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► and then if and when you succeed that [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► you go onto the election where this is [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► going to be your job at least through [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► the summer [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► yeah right and and that and they'll [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► here's the worst part we haven't talked [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► about this up fundraising yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► the whole game is is asking people for [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► money thing that we all hate to do right [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► and so asking people for money is and [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► the thing is asking them for money and [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► then they go okay with what we sure will [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► support you and then you ask them again [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► hey remember when you said you supported [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► me we will give me that money and [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► they're like okay we sure will thanks [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► for calling again and then you look and [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► you see that they didn't give you the [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► money and then you call him again you go [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► hey just me calling to check in like [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► it's the worst and you do that until [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► they either give you money or they say [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► listen don't ever call here again and [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► even then I think you have to call them [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► against AI know that you told me not to [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► do this but the so the advantage is that [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► the way that seattle City [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► elections work the maximum amount that [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► anybody can donate to use seven hundred [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► dollars so there is at least a ceiling [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► where if somebody has given you seven [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► hundred dollars you just can't take any [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► more money from them [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► compile and make the whole soccer team [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► give you money or something like that [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► well there are a lot of ethics rules [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► about that if it ever if everybody that [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► works for paul allen gives you seven [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► hundred dollars the ethics committee is [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► going to is going to take some of those [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► people aside and say Colin make you do [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► this and if they say yeah he kind of did [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► then that's our that's a super violation [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► of this is gonna be so crazy right it's [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► gnarly anything so many times you seven [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► hundred dollars and then they then they [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► are also give you like a silver [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► candlestick and they say here's a [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► candlestick use it for your election the [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► value of that candlestick has to be [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► computed into the amount they have given [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► you and if they've already given you [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► seven dollars they can't give you the [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► candlestick you have to give it back all [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► you love candlesticks like 910 and the [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► thing is if you're running a campaign of [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► course you want a big table and you want [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► some candlesticks on it and that's a [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► huge differentiator there was AI episode [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► of fresh air the other day which is [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► where I learned everything and i think [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► it was i was on a mission to remember [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► right it was a David being cruelly in [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► for dave davies in for terry gross haha [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► was apparently away and now that was a [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► great interview with this woman let me [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► get her name judge to bail cop and she [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► was the former I think she's the Chief [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► Justice of Alabama and was intimated you [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► should hear that it was amazing [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► interview because now that she's out of [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► office she's advocating strongly for the [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► idea that judges should not be elected [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► positions that it's very unusual like [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► internationally there are not that many [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► good first world countries where you [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► elect judges and that the whole idea of [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► like having to do elections is such as a [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► judge and having to see people come [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► before you right now that how insanely [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► but i guess not [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► I mean that angle is interesting but the [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► way she handles it she's really honest [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► about it and talks is really and I feel [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► like I have no way of knowing but I felt [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► like she was very honest about talking [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► to you feel her discomfort about the [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► basic process where she had to get [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► somebody on the phone [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► and and like get up to the point of [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► asking for money and basically say can I [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► have my finance person contact you [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► the thing is and what she's exactly as [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► clear she's about that and the pain of [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► that she's exactly as clear saying i [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► could not have been elected if I hadn't [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► done that [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah it's in everything that [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► she did was ethical she didn't do [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► anything wrong nobody was nothing [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► anybody anything wrong except that the [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► institution of what makes those kinds of [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► things legal is is difficult for [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► everybody it is and the problem with it [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► is that somebody gives you a some money [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► and then there is just inherent in that [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► a lot of expectation when I gave you [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► that money and somebody like me i have a [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► tremendous advantage which is that I'm [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► not beholden to anybody right I didn't [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► come up out of the union's I didn't come [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► up out of the prosecutor's office right [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► i am a completely free agent who also [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► like knows every nook and cranny of [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► Seattle and so I go into this able to [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► say i am i'm clean and I'm also like I [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► have a have a moral compass I'm not [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► liable to a to have somebody sidle up to [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► me and hand me a briefcase and somebody [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► just gives you a candle get write it [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► down [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► well there's only free to get back to me [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► on that if you need me know I i went and [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► had a long meeting with the with the [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► Seattle elections ethics office where [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► all of that was it was talked about and [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► there are really clear rules for [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► everything you know but they aren't they [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► are clear they're not and I was no [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► they're not good and if you take money [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► from somebody you need to have been [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► their name and address and phone number [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► two I mean you can't just if somebody [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► walks up and says here seven hundred [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► dollars in a paper bag good luck [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► you have to hand it back to them you [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► have to say you need to fill out a form [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► right that allows us to know that you [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► gave me this money but this becomes [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► that's gonna have to be a big part of [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► what you do for the next few months [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► writing especially first was getting I [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► don't know anything about anything but [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► only part of it is like getting that [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► money from other people show 0 serious [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► and then absolutely [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► ok we are early money is like yeast [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► right like you start getting that and [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► then people want to give me more [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► it's the way you communicate to the [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► professional political class [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► no journalists and the people who are [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► watching the race it's the way you [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► communicate that you are contender is [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► strictly that you have money and that's [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► why you end up with people running for [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► office who are already millionaires and [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► they just use their own money and that's [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► why we're taking those people seriously [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► because they have money and and it [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► doesn't mean that they are actually [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► serious people or good people [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► it just means that they start out with [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► the advantage of having the money to run [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► a campaign that the advantage that i [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► have that the other candidates don't is [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► that I'm not struggling for name [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► recognition and also there's nobody else [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► running for City office who lives on the [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► internet the way I do [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► who and so I've never you know I've [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► never gone to the internet and ask them [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► for anything all i do is give to the [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► internet you know this about me I do [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► know that I leave until my eyeballs hard [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► about whether you even want to [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► participate once you did you just open [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► those gates and just all your gifts just [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► came flowing out one way one way John [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► that's right I said internet here take [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► it all [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► you know I i'm basically the giving tree [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► of the internet who didn't get chopped [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► down [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► yeah he does for others and you know [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► what I've been chopped down but I got up [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► again I think [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► again I think [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► those guys are anarchists who know they [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► are yesterday number Wamba Wamba Wamba [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► are anarchists they lay our collective [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► an anarchist collective I'm gonna go [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► read up on this I remember Peter Garrett [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► Peter Garrett was one of the government [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► oil right didn't he actually did he [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► actually win in his election give it [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► back [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► wow he did when he was a very effective [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► politician hell of a dancer too [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► he said he's an extraordinary man and i [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► think i think in Australian he's hot [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► held in fairly high regard they have an [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► unusual I've seen remember reading [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► overhearing one another all guys running [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► for office they have don't they have [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► kind of a wackadoodle with all respect [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► to our fuzzy friends the kind of a [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► wackadoodle way of doing national [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► elections where it's I guess someone [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► electoral in nature or something where [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► like an outsider can can actually have a [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► chance or something like that i don't [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► know i don't know it's been interesting [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► my understanding about Australian [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► elections is that they put a marble in a [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► conch shell and then they put the conch [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► shell at the bottom of a reef who and [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► that it's out of pillar at the bottom of [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► a reef they don't say which reef and [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► they get half a map to give each [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► candidate a knife and let them and they [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► have to carry the knife in their mouth [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► yeah and then they ask you is that a [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► knife and then you have to answer as a [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► dog that's your makeup that's not a [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► solenoid oh do ya I think they do things [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► very differently there and I think in [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► New Zealand right don't you just you go [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► to the top of a volcano and throw [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► somebody in and the and the family is [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► something like that name but they scream [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► on their way down there may be answers [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► that you not confuse it with the [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► Australian Way of doing elections [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► they're very sensitive about that let's [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► you know what enough said [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► yeah about the Kiwis versus the also [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► what he's gonna miss when you get a [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► minute here again I mean like you you [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► gotta miss let's be honest you're gonna [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► I'm guessing you're gonna miss like [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► having your time be your own such as it [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► has been that that's got to be one [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► well it yes it i will but I also you [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► know you stand at the threshold of [TS]

01:01:58 ◼   ► something and you cannot take a step [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► forward if you are consumed with [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► thinking about what you're going to miss [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► like what I don't know about what the [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► future holds about what my life is going [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► to look like is everything I do [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► don't know anything about what is going [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► to happen next and that's thrilling and [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► I just have to step into that what I [TS]

01:02:23 ◼   ► will you know when when before my [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► daughter was born a lot of people said [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► aren't you gonna miss your freedom and I [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► said well you know I've had a lot of [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► freedom [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► I've been to a lot of plays and dance [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► recitals and bars and rock shows and in [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► fact for many years I would go to three [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► or four rock shows a night [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► um I'll i have lived I have sucked the [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► marrow out of life who once my daughter [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► was born I realized that whatever [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► whatever I no longer could do because of [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► my daughter what that did not feel like [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► a sacrifice at all right I couldn't go [TS]

01:03:10 ◼   ► out and see rock shows anymore because i [TS]

01:03:12 ◼   ► was at home with my beautiful daughter [TS]

01:03:15 ◼   ► who you know looking into her eyes is [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► like a kind of drug that i never knew [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► existed and so I don't I mean only [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► somebody that doesn't have a kid would [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► ask you aren't you worried about losing [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► your freedom because when you're when [TS]