Roderick on the Line

Ep. 149: "The Humility Opportunities"


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  hello hi John [TS]

  hi Merlin how's it going good boy it's [TS]

  late is it it's late [TS]

  Shh late the Sun is the sun is in the [TS]

  sky not like when we normally record [TS]

  when the Sun is just peeping up over the [TS]

  horizon displays in Addis just mocking [TS]

  mocking our existence [TS]

  oh that's son that that darn son [TS]

  ya hoo happy happy easter thank you uh I [TS]

  do feel happy about it you doing special [TS]

  com easter was you know Easter isn't [TS]

  like one of the main holidays in my [TS]

  culture and tradition it's a it's a it [TS]

  is a holiday course I remember my sister [TS]

  when she was a little girl she and I we [TS]

  had our own bedrooms but we also had a [TS]

  bunk bed and sometimes the bunk bed was [TS]

  in my room and sometimes it was in her [TS]

  room and when the bump it was in my room [TS]

  she never came in and slept in my room [TS]

  but when the bunk bed was in her room [TS]

  sometimes I would go in and sleep in her [TS]

  room to like just comfort her and I [TS]

  remember one Easter morning we were [TS]

  sitting on the top bunk together looking [TS]

  out the window and my sister swears now [TS]

  she was just a child [TS]

  I mean I was probably seven she was four [TS]

  or five [TS]

  she swears that we saw the Easter bunny [TS]

  Oh in the backyard and she swears to it [TS]

  to this day my memories are unclear [TS]

  about whether or not I saw the Easter [TS]

  Bunny or whether I just in a big [TS]

  brotherly fashion reinforced that she [TS]

  had seen the Easter Bunny uh huh you [TS]

  know it's it's it was a long time ago of [TS]

  all holidays [TS]

  it feels like it has the biggest net [TS]

  disconnect between why we theoretically [TS]

  observe it and then what we actually do [TS]

  I moving great with Christmas even if [TS]

  you're like a secular person you [TS]

  probably still have a certain amount of [TS]

  like like Christian like Christmas [TS]

  carols playing and stuff like that but [TS]

  like for for not observing people easter [TS]

  is really about candy this is a very [TS]

  like the thing is my daughter's an age [TS]

  where now everything is about candy is a [TS]

  candy lawyer [TS]

  she's constantly negotiating the candy [TS]

  like all day and today has been nothing [TS]

  but a long series of negotiations about [TS]

  candy [TS]

  yeah fortunately my child is still sort [TS]

  of pre candy who I won't last forever [TS]

  you get a bunny [TS]

  uh I have you know frankly on a full [TS]

  disclosure who have not seen her today [TS]

  yeah because she went to battling him [TS]

  we're grandparents live [TS]

  that's nice and they are having a full [TS]

  day where the Easter dress at church and [TS]

  all the wonderful American holiday [TS]

  traditions and I have been kind of [TS]

  running around like a crazy person [TS]

  yeah it getting ready to really nail [TS]

  down now the easter evening holiday [TS]

  celebration [TS]

  uh no in fact I've been running around [TS]

  like a crazy person because I and I have [TS]

  kind of a surprise [TS]

  it's something like to share with our [TS]

  listeners have a little bit of surprise [TS]

  that i wanted that I want to reveal to [TS]

  our listeners that I want to share with [TS]

  you [TS]

  Merlin my close personal friend I can't [TS]

  wait to hear already i think i'm ready [TS]

  and as ready as I'm gonna be [TS]

  ru ru when you're ready chair and got [TS]

  the bail Reddy better earn it tomorrow i [TS]

  am declaring my candidacy for seattle [TS]

  city council [TS]

  that was kind of a muted bell well you [TS]

  know there's a lot to talk about [TS]

  haha we don't have time to let it ring [TS]

  as much as that's right we should get [TS]

  right on it as much as you europe europe [TS]

  political now John you gotta go right to [TS]

  the brass tacks so true I i need to [TS]

  learn how to give a concise interview [TS]

  oh I gotta write this one down right [TS]

  concise interview I need to be able to [TS]

  say what my policies and plans are in a [TS]

  very short a truncated sort of sound by [TS]

  the way which is intrinsically a method [TS]

  of speaking that I distrust and uh and [TS]

  yet it is the way of that this business [TS]

  is conducted sometimes ideas can be a [TS]

  little bit like having nausea we feel [TS]

  like you're not done until they're all [TS]

  out and you know what i mean i'm not i'm [TS]

  not really done here [TS]

  I mean I'm taking a break nice-looking a [TS]

  lot to get out of here to start a new [TS]

  list here it's called John's [TS]

  opportunities for growth and the first [TS]

  1i have is a concise interviews concise [TS]

  interviews this is that this is a growth [TS]

  opportunity a steak for me and so so as [TS]

  as you may or may not know a the the way [TS]

  that this campaign is going to run there [TS]

  is a primary that happens in august and [TS]

  in some ways August seems a million [TS]

  miles away but of course i will be doing [TS]

  lots and lots of going to BBQ news and [TS]

  kissing babies and saying what my ideas [TS]

  are over and over so there's plenty of [TS]

  opportunity between now in august for me [TS]

  to get my ideas out there right but the [TS]

  challenge for me is going to be to not [TS]

  want to tell everyone all my ideas the [TS]

  first time that I meet them or talk to [TS]

  them right and also i am running on a [TS]

  premise that I am listening to your [TS]

  ideas you citizens of Seattle and you [TS]

  people who are listening who are not [TS]

  citizens of Seattle who would who feel [TS]

  like they are in some way a global [TS]

  citizen of Seattle I want to hear other [TS]

  people's ideas right i mean that the [TS]

  being on city council is [TS]

  about your ideas it's about it's about [TS]

  the city's ideas [TS]

  it seems like a road down and not bad [TS]

  went down and dirty kind of job there's [TS]

  a lot of things with get millage you got [TS]

  zoning you got parking I don't know [TS]

  anything about this but i'm just [TS]

  guessing there's a lot of like how the [TS]

  city actually functions that second I [TS]

  know about me [TS]

  that is exactly right as you know about [TS]

  me i am fascinated by all those things [TS]

  you love infrastructure i do i love the [TS]

  ins and outs the ups and downs i love [TS]

  what's under manhole covers that I love [TS]

  what's on top of telephone poles and so [TS]

  the job is ideal for me I i will 3i will [TS]

  relish it [TS]

  I will relish sitting at a dais and [TS]

  listening to people talk about zoning um [TS]

  but but the challenge in getting there [TS]

  is that in our country we have a we have [TS]

  a concept of who it is that that [TS]

  occupies these rolls right uh people [TS]

  that go into government are a certain [TS]

  kind of person and we typically think of [TS]

  them as either lawyers or people who [TS]

  have sort of been professional activists [TS]

  their whole career and they kind of earn [TS]

  the job and then they think of it as a [TS]

  professional job that they are [TS]

  professional legislature and the thing [TS]

  about me is that I'm an actual a [TS]

  Democrat in the sense that I think that [TS]

  citizens should be involved in [TS]

  government my farmers used to just be in [TS]

  office for a while and then they go back [TS]

  to farming thank you [TS]

  m-my since we're figuring out how to [TS]

  push books off the shelf right down [TS]

  going into the tesseract that is through [TS]

  a black hole and we don't touch today [TS]

  but I tried to watch it i try to watch [TS]

  it we got a single back i want to talk [TS]

  about it I really do i I want to hear [TS]

  your thoughts on my car hey but listen [TS]

  so I'm so I'm trying to convince the [TS]

  city of seattle not just that i will be [TS]

  a great person on this city council but [TS]

  also that it is not that dangerous to [TS]

  elect somebody who is talking about art [TS]

  as a civic virtue and not every city [TS]

  come in every city councilperson in [TS]

  seattle has generally the same ideas [TS]

  I mean because Seattle is a liberal [TS]

  utopia we all think that there should be [TS]

  more transit we don't think there should [TS]

  be affordable housing right there's it's [TS]

  not like there's somebody running for [TS]

  seattle city council who thinks that the [TS]

  earth was created in seven days and who [TS]

  wants a blood wave to sweep away that [TS]

  same-sex marriages or whatever the hell [TS]

  the platform he would be very unusual [TS]

  here know everybody here is a liberal [TS]

  and that's a wonderful opportunity and [TS]

  my challenges that i'm going to go in [TS]

  front of the city and say listen there's [TS]

  never been an artist on city government [TS]

  and that is precisely what we need and [TS]

  that is precisely where we go next [TS]

  it's time to take a big leap forward and [TS]

  some of that big leap forward is a is a [TS]

  stretch of the imagination that we not [TS]

  keep putting like people who are down in [TS]

  the weeds are in a in positions of power [TS]

  on city government because there's no [TS]

  reason to think that they are going to [TS]

  stay in the weeds right but that's a [TS]

  challenge right out there a lot of the [TS]

  people that are the gatekeepers between [TS]

  me and the citizens of Seattle the only [TS]

  way they have to compare candidates [TS]

  against one another is this is this [TS]

  model a lot like well your your your [TS]

  opponent says that there should be more [TS]

  buses and trains what do you say i also [TS]

  think there should be more buses and [TS]

  trains well how is that different than [TS]

  your opponent frankly it's practically [TS]

  not different because the truth is we [TS]

  need more buses and trains and I mean [TS]

  there's no why would anybody have a [TS]

  different attitude right nobody would so [TS]

  how do you differentiate between us and [TS]

  the differentiation becomes a question [TS]

  of who can tell who can tell this story [TS]

  to the citizens of Seattle and make [TS]

  people invested in doing what is [TS]

  ultimately the hard work of building a [TS]

  better place [TS]

  that's good that was good oh thank you [TS]

  well practicing I have to just do this [TS]

  now every day for the next six months [TS]

  right and then then everybody then [TS]

  people will then there's a popularity [TS]

  contest where they decide which [TS]

  candidate is appeals to them more i [TS]

  think a lot of voters pick the one whose [TS]

  hair looks better before I do [TS]

  happen I do have good hair so in that [TS]

  yeah but you got farm-to-table hair [TS]

  you've got locally-sourced like you [TS]

  literally cut your own hair and how many [TS]

  other candidates are gonna be able to [TS]

  say that my man i cannot tell you last [TS]

  night i'm writing my platform speech and [TS]

  what did i do I decided that I needed to [TS]

  give myself a haircut two o'clock in the [TS]

  morning i'm standing in the mirror and [TS]

  I'm cutting my hair and of one of the [TS]

  very one of the clearest voices in my [TS]

  head is telling me idiot [TS]

  do not cut your hair right now if this [TS]

  could go a lot of ways and I lobby [TS]

  vision though it sometimes you have to [TS]

  know how to make that vision being [TS]

  implemented in ways that may seem [TS]

  non-obvious right right but and and [TS]

  luckily in this case i did a pretty good [TS]

  job of cutting my hair looks pretty good [TS]

  but I'm you know what it means is that I [TS]

  walk out the door the next morning not [TS]

  full of hair confidence i walk out the [TS]

  door with a little bit of hearing [TS]

  society because I cut it in the middle [TS]

  of the night with a pair of construction [TS]

  paper so that and now I'm walking out to [TS]

  stand in front of the city and say I am [TS]

  an American and also someone who is not [TS]

  a lunatic and i propose to represent you [TS]

  well and effectively in city government [TS]

  and i cut my hair last night [TS]

  any questions hello you there for those [TS]

  of you who throws you don't know me I am [TS]

  gonna rock your next city councilman mm [TS]

  well I like the sound of that so and of [TS]

  course one of the challenges for me is [TS]

  that this podcast for instance here's [TS]

  the thing that I cannot imagine [TS]

  sacrificing and this podcast is not [TS]

  something that any of the other [TS]

  candidates for City Council have like a [TS]

  similar podcast compared to who [TS]

  right it's not there isn't a precedent I [TS]

  don't think and then it's I think fairly [TS]

  rare in government that someone is [TS]

  proposing to be in government and also [TS]

  once a week talk to his friend with the [TS]

  utmost candor [TS]

  uh-huh about what's happening in their [TS]

  lives and so it shows that you're not [TS]

  afraid to discuss the difficult issues [TS]

  well let's let's hope I mean this is the [TS]

  thing we we talk about politicians in a [TS]

  certain way we want them to be a certain [TS]

  way [TS]

  but the only people who run for office [TS]

  are people with unrealistic hair under [TS]

  some of them have unbelievable hair and [TS]

  who tell us you know who do that thing [TS]

  where they convince us that they [TS]

  actually do have a foolproof plan and [TS]

  the only people who really believe they [TS]

  have a foolproof plan are our other [TS]

  fools who have not who don't have enough [TS]

  information to know how wrong they are [TS]

  or sociopaths the reality is if you go [TS]

  into public office what you should say [TS]

  first and foremost is I am going into [TS]

  this job to listen to people and and [TS]

  here every side and and I mean somebody [TS]

  has to choose and that's who you're [TS]

  pointing you elect people to office to [TS]

  choose on your behalf but what makes [TS]

  that person a good chooser is not that [TS]

  they go into office already with it with [TS]

  it like an unshakable faith in their own [TS]

  ideas right it's what makes them a good [TS]

  choosers that they are that they're good [TS]

  listeners that they are thoughtful that [TS]

  they have a bra breadth of knowledge and [TS]

  then you empower that person to choose [TS]

  for for you and you have your faith in [TS]

  them you trust that they're going to [TS]

  choose based on what they have learned [TS]

  not based on what they already know her [TS]

  based on what they think they know are [TS]

  based on what they've known since they [TS]

  were five because everything they ever [TS]

  needed to know they learned in [TS]

  kindergarten [TS]

  yeah especially for a job or you know [TS]

  what to say at this level [TS]

  what I mean is that it is a again I [TS]

  don't know anything about politics but [TS]

  it strikes me that is a very it's it's a [TS]

  job where there's lots of where the [TS]

  decisions that you make have a [TS]

  potentially fairly short path from [TS]

  hopefully seemed like a good idea to [TS]

  being something that's doable to being [TS]

  something that can be implemented [TS]

  whereas you could run as 11 could run as [TS]

  an outsider in a presidential race [TS]

  mostly just stir things up and change [TS]

  the kinds of conversations that people [TS]

  have but you know there's obviously [TS]

  there's no evidence that that person [TS]

  necessarily gonna be great being [TS]

  president but it would become clear if [TS]

  they if they didn't have the gust 0 to [TS]

  jump into [TS]

  so what I'm trying to avoid what my wife [TS]

  about the issues like what [TS]

  Johnson's doesn't hate bureaucracy and I [TS]

  like actually John does not hate [TS]

  bureaucracy because he does not consider [TS]

  bureaucracy to be a bad word [TS]

  not in the sense of being like busywork [TS]

  or deliver push back to make government [TS]

  opaque and we have that episode we [TS]

  talked about Romania where they don't [TS]

  have any they don't have as so much of a [TS]

  bureaucracy [TS]

  I'm gonna get you trouble I don't you [TS]

  gotta remain in lobby there but [TS]

  specifically that you'll be driving down [TS]

  the street and someone is just [TS]

  necessarily there has been that way for [TS]

  months and it's a bureaucracy that [TS]

  enables you to have that sort of stuff [TS]

  happened [TS]

  having the right people make those [TS]

  decisions make sure that the sore loser [TS]

  in place right [TS]

  I write an effective bureaucracy is [TS]

  incredibly civilizing technology [TS]

  yeah and again a bureaucracy is another [TS]

  thought technology that it's it's it's [TS]

  our invention and if it works well my [TS]

  goodness you have you have someplace to [TS]

  go to file a complaint [TS]

  I mean think about it and expect [TS]

  something might actually be done about [TS]

  right file a complaint and somebody [TS]

  actually takes your complaint and then [TS]

  something changes right so no i mean i-i [TS]

  love that function of of local [TS]

  government and the thing about the thing [TS]

  about it here is that we really are what [TS]

  what's what's so fantastic about this [TS]

  moment is that I think nationwide [TS]

  there's this tremendous frustration we [TS]

  feel like nothing is working now that [TS]

  you know it's never been worse than it [TS]

  is now you hear people say that all the [TS]

  time people people young people kind of [TS]

  saving up asking as your grandparents [TS]

  about that all right hand and a certain [TS]

  level you know because because things [TS]

  like Ferguson happening because there's [TS]

  there's a greater wealth inequality than [TS]

  there's ever been to be at least in [TS]

  people's immediate lifetimes they feel [TS]

  like all these problems are [TS]

  insurmountable and it's know and i'm [TS]

  giving up hope and I'm a cynic it's [TS]

  there's no chance for us but in fact [TS]

  things have never been better than they [TS]

  are now there's never been more justice [TS]

  than there is now there's never been [TS]

  more quality than there is now like we [TS]

  have succeeded so much and now we're out [TS]

  on the car [TS]

  sip of making a giant stride people we [TS]

  have the technology to do it we have the [TS]

  consensus it at least in our cities that [TS]

  mean seattle is a liberal uh it's like [TS]

  us like a giant city where over the [TS]

  course of decades a pretty radical [TS]

  liberal consensus has settled in to [TS]

  place like even the Chamber of Commerce [TS]

  in seattle is liberal deeply liberal and [TS]

  this is this is an incredible [TS]

  opportunity but the thing about the [TS]

  thing about us is liberals have always [TS]

  felt persecuted they felt persecuted by [TS]

  the FBI and the police that the FBI was [TS]

  was wiretapping Martin Luther King like [TS]

  we're used to being in the opposition [TS]

  and so in a city like Seattle it's very [TS]

  hard for the Liberals here to recognize [TS]

  we are in charge here we this is a [TS]

  liberal utopia that is on the cusp of [TS]

  happening and we just have to we have to [TS]

  recognize that we are the establishment [TS]

  now and we can make a radical liberal [TS]

  agenda happen [TS]

  we just have to first of all recognize [TS]

  that we are not we're not proposing a [TS]

  violent revolution against ourselves [TS]

  like where the establishment we can put [TS]

  our policies into place and I really do [TS]

  believe more than ever before that who [TS]

  were on the verge of a technology [TS]

  revolution [TS]

  we've talked about this you and me so [TS]

  much but like we are in the next five [TS]

  years going to see technology transform [TS]

  cities like that the promise of the [TS]

  internet me no matter how II is sitting [TS]

  in his driveway trying to get his garage [TS]

  door to open from his phone and we laugh [TS]

  but the reality is that is the way that [TS]

  it's going and that is going to [TS]

  transform our urban life and that's [TS]

  incredibly exciting and nobody in city [TS]

  government here or in san francisco or [TS]

  really anywhere is [TS]

  trying to say listen in the next 10 [TS]

  years a lot of these 20th century [TS]

  problems are going to change radically [TS]

  and seattle is still trying to build a [TS]

  highway tunnel under the city to solve a [TS]

  twentieth-century traffic problem [TS]

  uh-huh okay you know what I mean yeah [TS]

  yeah but the 21st century solution is [TS]

  like it's it's almost here [TS]

  the thing is we can't quite see it right [TS]

  Elon Musk is developing it in his garage [TS]

  but it's actually real you know and [TS]

  we're gonna have we're gonna have a real [TS]

  switcheroo in terms of what what are [TS]

  open [TS]

  what are benign toolboxes so anyway we [TS]

  have in seattle at least we have a [TS]

  little a general liberal consensus we [TS]

  have we're on the cusp of this [TS]

  technology wave and we also like San [TS]

  Francisco have this prosperity wave [TS]

  there's so much money right and it's [TS]

  just time to turn that money into cool [TS]

  things you know school city thing the [TS]

  thing is how he strikes me I always um [TS]

  like what our current president was [TS]

  running for president I was one of those [TS]

  people that one of those very relatively [TS]

  few people most of my friends were like [TS]

  that guy seems amazing he's certainly a [TS]

  great speaker [TS]

  he's obviously got a great heart but I [TS]

  was always a little more than a little [TS]

  bit resistant although I was resistant [TS]

  to him being marketed in terms of the [TS]

  word hope but I was downright cynical [TS]

  about how much I felt like people who [TS]

  should know better [TS]

  didn't understand what's really involved [TS]

  in being the president and I don't even [TS]

  talk about it today because you know i [TS]

  think the guy still does a pretty great [TS]

  job but at the same time you know those [TS]

  posters probably seemed a little bit [TS]

  weird i mean if you if you like Martian [TS]

  Selma oh my god talk about hope I mean [TS]

  what what could be a greater thing i [TS]

  would not in a million years but I think [TS]

  it's important that instance to separate [TS]

  the the amazing historical shift then [TS]

  specifically and having the block IB [TS]

  president it's huge but I the things we [TS]

  always go through my head [TS]

  this for his job and even more so maybe [TS]

  for your job is like how much of your [TS]

  day [TS]

  maybe that's not strictly true but how [TS]

  much of your day you end up having to [TS]

  decide who's gonna be disappointed by [TS]

  what you decide what you decided i don't [TS]

  know how much you get to decide but by [TS]

  how much has to be implemented in a [TS]

  certain way for the greater good or [TS]

  whatever that's the part that I that I [TS]

  find so for me also unappealing about a [TS]

  job like that i wanna be loved [TS]

  yeah and I would find it so difficult to [TS]

  know what you I mean anybody's you [TS]

  you've had to run a band out of a van [TS]

  and you know what it means when you say [TS]

  no we can't take a pee break now and no [TS]

  you can't have french fries [TS]

  he's not in the budget it's not fun but [TS]

  I i wonder how you feel about that [TS]

  because it just seems like no matter [TS]

  what job you take in politics setting [TS]

  aside all the optics of how you end up [TS]

  looking a certain way to somebody it [TS]

  seems like a block of your job has to be [TS]

  saying no or maybe at times it would be [TS]

  nice to be able to just always say yes [TS]

  when this is the this is the reason that [TS]

  we have such a struggle with with people [TS]

  that hold public office is that every [TS]

  single situation involves somebody [TS]

  making a compromise and we keep [TS]

  collecting people who are dishonest [TS]

  about that and who say we can have [TS]

  everything we can have our cake and eat [TS]

  it too [TS]

  everybody wins and making sacrifices [TS]

  isn't bad like it's part of living in a [TS]

  city it's part of its part of being part [TS]

  of a family right you make sacrifices [TS]

  and there's something incredibly noble [TS]

  about that and the problem with our [TS]

  culture is that we we are afraid to say [TS]

  that and so we lie about it and then [TS]

  when the sacrifices come people feel [TS]

  betrayed the what we need are people who [TS]

  go up to public office and say listen [TS]

  everybody's going to have to pitch in [TS]

  here and that's a wonderful thing that's [TS]

  a wonderful business and a and the [TS]

  people that have the opportunity to [TS]

  pitch in or the or the [TS]

  who have the prosperity the kitchen a [TS]

  little bit more right like here's how [TS]

  and we welcome your contribution and you [TS]

  know so often from the left there's this [TS]

  sense of of saying like well income [TS]

  inequality is uh is this intolerable [TS]

  thing which it is but what that means is [TS]

  that the rich are enemy and the only way [TS]

  that we will redistribute the wealth is [TS]

  that we go to war with the rich and [TS]

  that's very galvanizing it makes people [TS]

  feel like boy you've really got a plan [TS]

  and where we've got we're going to take [TS]

  some action here also that you're not [TS]

  afraid to tell me the thing I kinda was [TS]

  expecting to hear and wanted to hear [TS]

  yeah right you're not which is very very [TS]

  simple tell me the exciting thing that I [TS]

  already thought but it's very different [TS]

  to say like you know the people [TS]

  certainly the people in Seattle who are [TS]

  the most rich and the most famous you [TS]

  know there are people that had an idea [TS]

  and they turned it into a business in [TS]

  them then American capitalism took that [TS]

  business and turn it into an enormous [TS]

  pile of money but they are not our enemy [TS]

  they are as people who need to be [TS]

  encouraged by our culture and by I mean [TS]

  select I mean selective judicious [TS]

  application of laws and regulation but [TS]

  also a community commitment to say hi [TS]

  you are super rich you live in this town [TS]

  we know you want to help [TS]

  here's how you can help we're going to [TS]

  do a public-private partnership that [TS]

  funds our transit with the funds of the [TS]

  construction of rail and that rail is [TS]

  going to go right through the [TS]

  neighborhoods where you build your [TS]

  business so it's going to serve you and [TS]

  it's going to serve your your companies [TS]

  and we need a little help in the form of [TS]

  your contribution because when you built [TS]

  this business here you stressed the [TS]

  infrastructure of the city and that's [TS]

  great that's growth and that's how it [TS]

  works but now it's time to give back and [TS]

  i don't mean give back by just paying [TS]

  your income tax I mean recognize that [TS]

  you you need that you need to step up [TS]

  and be be actually a corporate citizen [TS]

  and take some responsibility [TS]

  and that kind of you know and that [TS]

  includes like oh did you move to seattle [TS]

  are because you got a really high-paying [TS]

  tech job and now you're living in a cool [TS]

  off downtown and you have a BMW 740i and [TS]

  then the biggest TV that you can buy and [TS]

  now you still have more money than you [TS]

  know what to do with well great [TS]

  here's an opportunity for you to also be [TS]

  part of civic life and put a little bit [TS]

  of that money into making the city a [TS]

  better place for people that don't start [TS]

  making that kind of cash and that [TS]

  conversation which is not about passing [TS]

  laws as much as it is about saying in [TS]

  cities like Seattle we do business a [TS]

  different way and we're not just going [TS]

  to default to Wall Street values or [TS]

  cupertino tech bro values you know we're [TS]

  gonna we're gonna not default we're [TS]

  going to assert our values which are [TS]

  actually progressive urbanist and and [TS]

  there's a higher income you know doing [TS]

  business in seattle has a lot of [TS]

  incentives it also comes with an [TS]

  additional opportunity to put your money [TS]

  where your mouth this you know i mean [TS]

  Jeff Bezos is a liberal and he wants to [TS]

  do a good job [TS]

  i mean i-i think about Bill Gates Bill [TS]

  Gates was the richest man in the world [TS]

  for 15 years and he never gave away a [TS]

  penny until will warren buffett called [TS]

  him and said hey hey it's an [TS]

  embarrassment really true [TS]

  yeah Wow called him and said listen [TS]

  you're the richest man in the world you [TS]

  need to have a foundation you start [TS]

  giving your money away to not do it is [TS]

  an embarrassment and Bill Gates heard it [TS]

  and started the Gates Foundation which [TS]

  is an incredible asset to the world [TS]

  right but nobody passed the law that [TS]

  forced bill gates to redistribute his [TS]

  income somebody called him and said hey [TS]

  Kai you want to do a better job than [TS]

  this and you need to do it and Bill [TS]

  Gates was a human being and he heard [TS]

  that message and he and you know and [TS]

  that isn't that's not naive to [TS]

  talk about from the standpoint of of [TS]

  somebody running for office [TS]

  it's you can't go through life saying [TS]

  everybody that that has more money than [TS]

  me is morally suspect the the the real [TS]

  job is to say listen we're all in this [TS]

  together [TS]

  it's hard on everybody and like don't [TS]

  you want to help and that applies to [TS]

  people that are making $50,000 to we [TS]

  want to make it we want to make this [TS]

  city a better place [TS]

  ok everybody pick up a shovel right [TS]

  Graham and that is that is that that is [TS]

  the difference between like running for [TS]

  office and saying here's my three-point [TS]

  plan to pass laws to to penalize [TS]

  developers and to create a you know [TS]

  purple carp and it's like great every [TS]

  one of those laws that you pass creates [TS]

  a cascading wave of problems you didn't [TS]

  anticipate you need to pass laws pretty [TS]

  judiciously and you need to think about [TS]

  all the potential problems you know [TS]

  before you just start saying alright our [TS]

  new law is because we've seen we've seen [TS]

  that countless time so it happens every [TS]

  year there's a new law [TS]

  Oh hundred thousand new problems but [TS]

  there isn't there is nothing naive or at [TS]

  and i think it is the purview of some of [TS]

  somebody on something for instance like [TS]

  a city council to say hello Seattle we [TS]

  have we have to we have to evolve a [TS]

  different way of doing business here and [TS]

  that can be exciting for us that can be [TS]

  that is absolutely the way this [TS]

  conversation should happen and I don't [TS]

  you know I don't know if Jeff Bezos is [TS]

  listening to reach pretty sure that you [TS]

  know sometimes you should just in that [TS]

  is so Jeff just speaking to you directly [TS]

  this is a fantastic opportunity and I [TS]

  have some ideas about affordable housing [TS]

  to build down in the neighborhood around [TS]

  amazon and I have some clear ideas about [TS]

  transit ticket those many workers in and [TS]

  out of your campus [TS]

  and its really in the long run not going [TS]

  to cost that much [TS]

  mmm yeah already getting good at this [TS]

  right see all right here's the thing [TS]

  about a pivot I want to hear [TS]

  okay i want to come out against are [TS]

  gonna talk about your new way of cooking [TS]

  chicken or we find out early for the [TS]

  next few months I won't have time to do [TS]

  you know how many people I can help you [TS]

  have any idea its they could not be any [TS]

  simpler and people are not going to go [TS]

  to hear about until late November what [TS]

  would i would go you chicken thing [TS]

  chicken thing [TS]

  no you know what we're going to do is [TS]

  going to be operated thing about equal [TS]

  time John equal time about this podcast [TS]

  is that it cannot be just about making [TS]

  Seattle a better place to live it has to [TS]

  be about making the world a better place [TS]

  to making the world a better place and [TS]

  making and revolutionize and everybody's [TS]

  chicken cooking techniques [TS]

  alright and say that feels really [TS]

  piddling stuff it's an amazing thought [TS]

  technology and maybe next this episode [TS]

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  there's a pivot that I think first of [TS]

  all I don't know why at the 30-minute [TS]

  mark I feel the need to say this I like [TS]

  to point out is not a prefers this is [TS]

  real John is actually doing this like [TS]

  you you know people are going to ask [TS]

  yeah well I'm and one of the things [TS]

  about one of the things about my [TS]

  candidacy is that it is an unusual thing [TS]

  for somebody like me to run for public [TS]

  office and and so yeah they're going to [TS]

  be people who are like can this can this [TS]

  be real and so you got you got Peter [TS]

  Garrett you got jello biafra you got Tom [TS]

  Ammiano you got all kinds of people from [TS]

  the arts moving into politics you got [TS]

  that the ronald reagan ronald reagan [TS]

  that's right he moved from the arts into [TS]

  politics and brought his brought this [TS]

  classic artistic sensibility to what we [TS]

  look for direct knowledge pick the [TS]

  conduct of his office both as governor [TS]

  of california and president [TS]

  yeah you really wanted to do to San [TS]

  Francisco with highways who dr. well he [TS]

  you know Reagan is the one who took art [TS]

  who defunded art right he's the one that [TS]

  defunded the Arts in America because [TS]

  Robert Mapplethorpe did some to add some [TS]

  naked pictures yeah yeah and you know [TS]

  and that is that's a legacy that we are [TS]

  still suffering from ok so here's a big [TS]

  thing on during our the big pivot is I'm [TS]

  curious the questions i have I think [TS]

  we'll have plenty of time to hear about [TS]

  your platform [TS]

  haha i've had had a good three years of [TS]

  hearing about your platform already [TS]

  oh you wanna hear about my platform [TS]

  gonna call you after we get done with [TS]

  this podcast and i've been napping on [TS]

  your platform from us and the past [TS]

  supertree but we're going here goes [TS]

  so the I don't know um i guess i'm [TS]

  curious about their students i can go [TS]

  and you can pick which one of these you [TS]

  want but the the the what kind of [TS]

  question i'm super curious about is how [TS]

  does this change stuff in your in your [TS]

  your life and you talk about it anyway [TS]

  you want the other thing i'd like to [TS]

  talk about is what do you think it's [TS]

  gonna be most difficult about this you [TS]

  can take the second question first if [TS]

  you want i want i mean what's difficult [TS]

  about this not just in terms of making [TS]

  it happen what's hard for you what do [TS]

  you have to sacrifice one of the things [TS]

  you're most on the bubble about either [TS]

  in terms of concern or worry or [TS]

  sacrifice that like you kind of go now [TS]

  I'm gonna miss that being that way [TS]

  other things like that there you go like [TS]

  well I'm gonna set these kinds of things [TS]

  aside [TS]

  yeah but in the run-up to this I talked [TS]

  to a lot of people in the professional [TS]

  political class and they all gave me [TS]

  very good advice it was all super good [TS]

  advice but and and over the course of [TS]

  several weeks of thinking about it all [TS]

  that advice creek caused a lot of [TS]

  anxiety in me because the way that [TS]

  people in the professional political [TS]

  class imagine it is that you run [TS]

  somebody for office is that they have a [TS]

  plan of a certain way of doing things [TS]

  and your plan should have a certain [TS]

  number of points I understand [TS]

  well it's but the thing is it's very [TS]

  interesting listicle for politics [TS]

  it really is right but it is very [TS]

  analogous to what happens when you're a [TS]

  brand new band and you're about to put [TS]

  your record out everybody that you [TS]

  talked to in the music industry has a [TS]

  very clear idea about what you need to [TS]

  do next and they are more than happy to [TS]

  tell you about what you need to do and [TS]

  the problem is that that's all true [TS]

  until a man comes along that doesn't do [TS]

  any of those things and becomes the [TS]

  biggest band in the world right and so [TS]

  this was when i joined the music [TS]

  business [TS]

  everybody said I mean that seriously I [TS]

  and I know you remember this [TS]

  people said oh don't go on the internet [TS]

  and talk to your fans right they don't [TS]

  you know you need to maintain an air [TS]

  mystique that's just rock and roll and [TS]

  they say oh you need to you know don't [TS]

  waste your money releasing vinyl nobody [TS]

  buys vinyl anymore [TS]

  save that money to spend on opening [TS]

  weekend to try and get your record in [TS]

  the top 10 [TS]

  I'll say that for pitch for cats right [TS]

  but you know or just like or you know [TS]

  get it on myspace or whatever I mean [TS]

  everybody knew exactly what you were [TS]

  supposed to do until until the game [TS]

  changed and that wasn't how you did it [TS]

  anymore [TS]

  so in the run-up to this people were [TS]

  giving me a lot of advice and what they [TS]

  were trying to do was either put me into [TS]

  a box where I was claiming to be a [TS]

  social activist or I was claiming to be [TS]

  a you know like up like that music had [TS]

  been this hobby but really i'd been a [TS]

  secret politician the whole time and at [TS]

  a certain point a few weeks ago I i said [TS]

  to this group of advisors I was like [TS]

  listen okay you know what this is this [TS]

  is causing me a lot of stress because [TS]

  I'm not either one of those things i am [TS]

  an artist and I made a life for myself [TS]

  as an artist and I believe in the [TS]

  transformative power of art and if i can [TS]

  get elected to the seattle city council [TS]

  up with that then I can then i will run [TS]

  because i believe it and I believe that [TS]

  that art is a is one of the pillars of [TS]

  civilization if you are telling me that [TS]

  the only way I can get elected to the [TS]

  seattle city council is that I pretend [TS]

  that I've been a housing activists this [TS]

  entire time or that I that I portray [TS]

  myself as a as like a legal expert on [TS]

  local government then there's no point [TS]

  there's no point in me lying to people [TS]

  because every other candidate is [TS]

  portraying themselves in a certain light [TS]

  and I'm just I have to just be myself [TS]

  and I do believe that I can get elected [TS]

  by doing that but it requires that we [TS]

  that we change people's expectations i [TS]

  guess but so that is the that's the [TS]

  thing that's caused me the most stress [TS]

  and it is the thing that is maybe going [TS]

  to be the most difficult um you know for [TS]

  me personally I have I relish my free [TS]

  time and I relish the fact that i don't [TS]

  have to wake up at the crack of dawn but [TS]

  I wasn't gonna bring it up and this is [TS]

  going to require that I that I change [TS]

  that about myself but you know that is [TS]

  very very do [TS]

  global that is a you know those are [TS]

  luxuries that by afforded myself but [TS]

  I've said on this podcast and you and I [TS]

  have talked for years about the fact [TS]

  that you have to set that you have to [TS]

  set your aspirations for yourself [TS]

  somewhere and you get to be 45 years old [TS]

  and there's a tremendous pole to set [TS]

  your aspirations for yourself right [TS]

  about where you're at right [TS]

  oh you know what my aspirations are to [TS]

  just keep burbling along like I'm doing [TS]

  there's a lot less disappointing right [TS]

  right because it's so scary to be 45 and [TS]

  to do something that puts you right back [TS]

  in a place where you don't know what's [TS]

  going to happen next [TS]

  it's much better to be like I know the [TS]

  band's I like and I know the [TS]

  neighborhood I like to go to and I and [TS]

  I'd I go to the pub and they know me by [TS]

  name and and I'm doing pretty good but [TS]

  but that isn't that isn't enough for me [TS]

  and never has been in and so you know do [TS]

  I have to get up in the morning in order [TS]

  to do this I I absolutely do [TS]

  and do i have to learn to love it i'm [TS]

  not sure if that's possible but it is [TS]

  you know I am galvanized by a desire to [TS]

  do something you know to take the [TS]

  privilege that Seattle has afforded me [TS]

  and and turn that back into sacrifice [TS]

  yeah but like specifically candidate [TS]

  like what it what do you what do you uh [TS]

  what I realize this is gonna be a crazy [TS]

  process and there's a lot of sugar be [TS]

  learning about and reacting to as it [TS]

  comes along but you know do you have in [TS]

  mind are there things that you know [TS]

  already where you go well that's the [TS]

  thing i'm just not gonna be able to do [TS]

  or the way that I like or at all or in a [TS]

  different way [TS]

  I mean obviously there's a thing of like [TS]

  you know being able to talk in the way [TS]

  that you might like on the show I mean I [TS]

  know you're not a man whose necessarily [TS]

  I don't think you somebody who purchases [TS]

  what you say too much to begin with but [TS]

  I mean like is there like as far as time [TS]

  and stuff to you talk last year I'm [TS]

  gonna get a refresher or [TS]

  refer the gentleman to your earlier [TS]

  remarks that you want to do my [TS]

  songwriting this year and I guess this [TS]

  probably came up in the interregnum but [TS]

  what's the kind of stuff where you go [TS]

  like that's gonna just have to be okay [TS]

  for me to not do this particular thing [TS]

  for a while other things like that [TS]

  well you know this is absolutely going [TS]

  to change my parenting [TS]

  um I've had the opportunity to spend the [TS]

  first four years of my daughter's life [TS]

  kind of a at my leisure with her and now [TS]

  i have to do what every parent has to do [TS]

  which is learn to budget my time better [TS]

  and learn to budget my time in such a [TS]

  way that the last thing that suffers is [TS]

  my daughter and that is going to require [TS]

  a lot of a lot of additional effort and [TS]

  thinking on my part to make sure that [TS]

  she doesn't see less of me and yet I am [TS]

  also doing all this new and additional [TS]

  work who that you know the work that I [TS]

  do now is real work it often looks like [TS]

  sitting and staring at the wall it also [TS]

  often looks like dreaming but that is [TS]

  real creative work [TS]

  the thing about this undertaking is that [TS]

  the work that I need to do often just [TS]

  looks like being there you know it means [TS]

  getting up and getting in the car and [TS]

  being there on time [TS]

  listen to people takes a lot of time it [TS]

  does not become not being silly i mean [TS]

  making yourself available just 22 [TS]

  I mean I I'm just to my own completely [TS]

  non political experience and just the [TS]

  number of people that have my email [TS]

  address and can't one can email me or [TS]

  text me like I don't always want to have [TS]

  to talk to people all the time and it [TS]

  seems like you're gonna have to have an [TS]

  amount of on the one hand access [TS]

  different than probably ever before that [TS]

  you welcome and embrace but also that [TS]

  there's going to be a lot more stuff i [TS]

  mean look at the last couple what the [TS]

  last week set aside being second easter [TS]

  just how many times we have to change [TS]

  the scheduling just good stuff that's [TS]

  that's happened that's it that's going [TS]

  to become like a thing you're going to [TS]

  have to like be okay with how often [TS]

  circumstances require you to do [TS]

  something differently [TS]

  yeah I i do have to and I have to be I [TS]

  have to be there in a way but you know [TS]

  it's funny I was doing a photoshoot [TS]

  tonight [TS]

  downtown getting some pictures you know [TS]

  up for the launch and i'm standing on [TS]

  the street corner and a group of women [TS]

  comes by and they're like hey you're [TS]

  John Roderick and I go yeah hi [TS]

  and they go what are you doing why you [TS]

  standing you're getting your picture [TS]

  taken you know they're all their little [TS]

  bit older than me they're also women in [TS]

  their early fifties and I said guess [TS]

  what I'm running for City Council and [TS]

  they were like oh my god that's [TS]

  fantastic and we stood and we talked [TS]

  about the city for a minute [TS]

  we talked about what they perceive to be [TS]

  the problems in the city and then they [TS]

  were very content to say fantastic [TS]

  we are so glad that you're running you [TS]

  have our vote and then we all took a [TS]

  picture together and then they were like [TS]

  goodbye because there's a different way [TS]

  of there's a different way that people [TS]

  want to talk to a candidate if you know [TS]

  if I had been like I'm just standing out [TS]

  here thinking about some songs and [TS]

  talking about some songs they would have [TS]

  said great let's all what let's stay [TS]

  here together for an hour and a half but [TS]

  I'm a candidate for political office and [TS]

  there's something in that where people [TS]

  recognized I mean your most people [TS]

  normal people recognize that you go [TS]

  great let's get a picture you have our [TS]

  votes goodbye and I'm standing there [TS]

  having had this wonderful experience [TS]

  with these people [TS]

  I'm thinking well this is interesting [TS]

  that was a that's they knew me as a [TS]

  musician but when i said that i was [TS]

  running for office all of a sudden we [TS]

  had a very different conversation it was [TS]

  yeah I read about that it's gonna be [TS]

  real different [TS]

  it was very enjoyable to like they were [TS]

  excited i was running they offered their [TS]

  support [TS]

  he may be found a new way to make people [TS]

  afraid of talking to you well so when I [TS]

  would love to get a course on that so I [TS]

  walked down the street about half a [TS]

  block and there's another group of like [TS]

  five people standing there there are a [TS]

  couple of families they have a couple of [TS]

  little kids and they're like hey uh [TS]

  you're John Roderick and I go yeah hello [TS]

  and I'm thinking to myself from this is [TS]

  interesting like ever all the sudden i'm [TS]

  walking down the street doing a [TS]

  photoshoot and everybody in the world [TS]

  knows who I am what but it's very [TS]

  unusual right to see somebody standing [TS]

  there getting their picture taken on the [TS]

  sidewalk [TS]

  and so this group of people says hi you [TS]

  know what are you doing and I say oh I'm [TS]

  running for public office and they said [TS]

  we just overheard you talking to those [TS]

  people and we wondered if that was what [TS]

  it was and I said yes I'm running for [TS]

  City Council we talked for a few minutes [TS]

  they told me what they thought needed to [TS]

  happen in the city and they said we're [TS]

  so excited for you you have our vote [TS]

  let's get a picture [TS]

  goodbye and I was like what is this this [TS]

  is a very different as soon as your [TS]

  candidate people are talking to [TS]

  differently so it is about being there [TS]

  it's about talking to people but also [TS]

  it's a completely different conversation [TS]

  than the way people want to talk to [TS]

  their favorite musician [TS]

  Wow and so it's so you know quite [TS]

  candidly I was energized by both [TS]

  exchanges and and that was exciting to [TS]

  me now i know that running for public [TS]

  office there's gonna be somebody that [TS]

  wants to talk to me about chemtrails for [TS]

  an hour and a half but little do they [TS]

  know that i am an expert on chemtrails [TS]

  but also you might you might want to [TS]

  have a blue ribbon panel but here's the [TS]

  thing i am i'm gonna i'm gonna have a [TS]

  campaign manager who's standing next to [TS]

  me with some kind of a large phone and [TS]

  that camp and i already have this person [TS]

  my campaign manager already is a person [TS]

  who actually has a large phone [TS]

  Wow see that was that smart staffing mhm [TS]

  and this campaign manager it is good [TS]

  question do you have a large phone [TS]

  yes a large fuckin I see it can IC you [TS]

  operate and but but then the person the [TS]

  person is gonna come up and say what I'm [TS]

  going to do about chemtrails and mine [TS]

  and of course I'm gonna go let me tell [TS]

  you about my policy about chemtrails and [TS]

  my campaign manager with my with the [TS]

  large phone is going to lean in and i'm [TS]

  going to say mr. Roderick we have to go [TS]

  and I'm gonna go you don't want I don't [TS]

  want I want to engage you on chemtrails [TS]

  I really do but we're going to table [TS]

  this until I see you next and i will not [TS]

  be lying [TS]

  yeah but also i will be able to get away [TS]

  because i have somebody whose job it is [TS]

  to recognize the tin foil hat [TS]

  even with a year about the even when [TS]

  they're under a different kind of hat so [TS]

  anyway so that is good you know my life [TS]

  was my life is going to change it really [TS]

  is and a lot of it is going to be [TS]

  availability to people accessibility but [TS]

  you know there's another thing which is [TS]

  I realized as going into this I don't [TS]

  want to run against the other people who [TS]

  are campaigning for the seat [TS]

  it sounds like what you described I mean [TS]

  private i guess but you sound like you [TS]

  have a lot of respect for the people [TS]

  were running i have absolutely nothing [TS]

  against my opponents I think anybody [TS]

  that wants to having just even entered [TS]

  into the process as much as I have I [TS]

  have tremendous respect for anybody that [TS]

  runs for office it is excruciatingly [TS]

  difficult and it really is sacrifice you [TS]

  know it when we talk about we think [TS]

  people for their service who have served [TS]

  in the military i heard they don't like [TS]

  that I interesting that you know they [TS]

  they think they think each other for [TS]

  their service [TS]

  uh-huh it thinking somebody for their [TS]

  service where it feels gratuitous or it [TS]

  feels like it's some kind of way to pat [TS]

  yourself was like me talking to Ramona [TS]

  in the last day of the cruise it's a [TS]

  little condescending right you don't [TS]

  want to condescend to somebody who [TS]

  actually has who has done some heart [TS]

  literally risk their life for several [TS]

  years and then you get to be you get to [TS]

  congratulate yourself because you thank [TS]

  them for their service great they can [TS]

  smell that I think but the reality is [TS]

  that public service takes a lot of forms [TS]

  and one of those forms is engaging in [TS]

  your is participating in your government [TS]

  so I don't want to die I don't have no [TS]

  desire to run for this office by [TS]

  denigrating my opponents or by a by [TS]

  saying you sir are no Jack Kennedy or [TS]

  whatever maybe what I mean I'm you [TS]

  haven't asked if you want some help [TS]

  coming up with singers like that I'd be [TS]

  happy to write well you know what i have [TS]

  i have lloyd bentsen on my speed dial [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  haha i but but [TS]

  and so in the end of the fact is i do [TS]

  not know at some point in this election [TS]

  and I'm absolutely sure it will happen [TS]

  that somebody will say something really [TS]

  nasty about me [TS]

  no I think it's something i don't think [TS]

  it's gonna happen i think well you know [TS]

  it's hard to know it depends really its [TS]

  early days it's early and it probably [TS]

  won't happen tomorrow but somewhere [TS]

  along the line I do everything right and [TS]

  cha but somebody's gonna take a shot at [TS]

  me and of course as you know those of us [TS]

  who spend all our time on the internet [TS]

  we do not want people to yell at us a [TS]

  and part of this job is putting yourself [TS]

  out there and inviting at least [TS]

  affording people the opportunity if they [TS]

  want to yell at you [TS]

  here you are I would go further than [TS]

  that it's part of your job to take out [TS]

  that's right it's it's it's not optional [TS]

  right and so that is that will require a [TS]

  kind of a well you know what ultimately [TS]

  i think a kind of humility and as you [TS]

  know I've been trying to learn and [TS]

  embrace humility for a long time and [TS]

  even gearing up this much to run for [TS]

  office like the humility opportunities [TS]

  come every day on a big platter and if [TS]

  you run for office like full of [TS]

  arrogance its it's here it's a gross to [TS]

  a service or a gross miss apprehension [TS]

  of what the job is [TS]

  and I really do feel like the humility [TS]

  of standing there and letting people [TS]

  take shots at you and and then and and [TS]

  and you keep standing and you keep [TS]

  talking about what you think matters is [TS]

  something that I I've been practicing [TS]

  for it for a long time and you know i [TS]

  don't think anybody looks forward to it [TS]

  but it's really going to change it for [TS]

  me and particularly you know I mean I [TS]

  have a kid I don't want she can't read [TS]

  the newspapers yet but one day she will [TS]

  she'll be sitting in the library stacks [TS]

  looking at a microfiche uh-huh and [TS]

  she'll be reading the newspaper accounts [TS]

  on her microfiche because even though [TS]

  the internet is going to transform urban [TS]

  life [TS]

  yes still students will read microfiche [TS]

  absolutely it's part of the core [TS]

  curriculum that father what did you do [TS]

  during the chemtrails force [TS]

  yeah and she'll be there looking at the [TS]

  microfiche and there will be some [TS]

  newspaper article where somebody says [TS]

  have I have you ever really listened to [TS]

  the supertrain episode of their podcast [TS]

  that's nothing [TS]

  haha that's that that's a romp that [TS]

  one's that one's I think that one's [TS]

  actually that would bring a lot of [TS]

  people into your big tension if I could [TS]

  you think so yeah oh yeah that's not I'm [TS]

  not gonna I'm not gonna help that i'm [TS]

  not gonna help the competition by [TS]

  picking out upset but you did you think [TS]

  it will bring all the boys to the yard [TS]

  make it sure could [TS]

  mm ah but you this is gonna be your job [TS]

  now [TS]

  yeah right i mean let's be clear here [TS]

  you need to campaign for are the primary [TS]

  and then if and when you succeed that [TS]

  you go onto the election where this is [TS]

  going to be your job at least through [TS]

  the summer [TS]

  yeah right and and that and they'll [TS]

  here's the worst part we haven't talked [TS]

  about this up fundraising yeah yeah yeah [TS]

  the whole game is is asking people for [TS]

  money thing that we all hate to do right [TS]

  and so asking people for money is and [TS]

  the thing is asking them for money and [TS]

  then they go okay with what we sure will [TS]

  support you and then you ask them again [TS]

  hey remember when you said you supported [TS]

  me we will give me that money and [TS]

  they're like okay we sure will thanks [TS]

  for calling again and then you look and [TS]

  you see that they didn't give you the [TS]

  money and then you call him again you go [TS]

  hey just me calling to check in like [TS]

  it's the worst and you do that until [TS]

  they either give you money or they say [TS]

  listen don't ever call here again and [TS]

  even then I think you have to call them [TS]

  against AI know that you told me not to [TS]

  do this but the so the advantage is that [TS]

  the way that seattle City [TS]

  elections work the maximum amount that [TS]

  anybody can donate to use seven hundred [TS]

  dollars so there is at least a ceiling [TS]

  where if somebody has given you seven [TS]

  hundred dollars you just can't take any [TS]

  more money from them [TS]

  compile and make the whole soccer team [TS]

  give you money or something like that [TS]

  well there are a lot of ethics rules [TS]

  about that if it ever if everybody that [TS]

  works for paul allen gives you seven [TS]

  hundred dollars the ethics committee is [TS]

  going to is going to take some of those [TS]

  people aside and say Colin make you do [TS]

  this and if they say yeah he kind of did [TS]

  then that's our that's a super violation [TS]

  of this is gonna be so crazy right it's [TS]

  gnarly anything so many times you seven [TS]

  hundred dollars and then they then they [TS]

  are also give you like a silver [TS]

  candlestick and they say here's a [TS]

  candlestick use it for your election the [TS]

  value of that candlestick has to be [TS]

  computed into the amount they have given [TS]

  you and if they've already given you [TS]

  seven dollars they can't give you the [TS]

  candlestick you have to give it back all [TS]

  you love candlesticks like 910 and the [TS]

  thing is if you're running a campaign of [TS]

  course you want a big table and you want [TS]

  some candlesticks on it and that's a [TS]

  huge differentiator there was AI episode [TS]

  of fresh air the other day which is [TS]

  where I learned everything and i think [TS]

  it was i was on a mission to remember [TS]

  right it was a David being cruelly in [TS]

  for dave davies in for terry gross haha [TS]

  was apparently away and now that was a [TS]

  great interview with this woman let me [TS]

  get her name judge to bail cop and she [TS]

  was the former I think she's the Chief [TS]

  Justice of Alabama and was intimated you [TS]

  should hear that it was amazing [TS]

  interview because now that she's out of [TS]

  office she's advocating strongly for the [TS]

  idea that judges should not be elected [TS]

  positions that it's very unusual like [TS]

  internationally there are not that many [TS]

  good first world countries where you [TS]

  elect judges and that the whole idea of [TS]

  like having to do elections is such as a [TS]

  judge and having to see people come [TS]

  before you right now that how insanely [TS]

  but i guess not [TS]

  I mean that angle is interesting but the [TS]

  way she handles it she's really honest [TS]

  about it and talks is really and I feel [TS]

  like I have no way of knowing but I felt [TS]

  like she was very honest about talking [TS]

  to you feel her discomfort about the [TS]

  basic process where she had to get [TS]

  somebody on the phone [TS]

  and and like get up to the point of [TS]

  asking for money and basically say can I [TS]

  have my finance person contact you [TS]

  the thing is and what she's exactly as [TS]

  clear she's about that and the pain of [TS]

  that she's exactly as clear saying i [TS]

  could not have been elected if I hadn't [TS]

  done that [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah it's in everything that [TS]

  she did was ethical she didn't do [TS]

  anything wrong nobody was nothing [TS]

  anybody anything wrong except that the [TS]

  institution of what makes those kinds of [TS]

  things legal is is difficult for [TS]

  everybody it is and the problem with it [TS]

  is that somebody gives you a some money [TS]

  and then there is just inherent in that [TS]

  a lot of expectation when I gave you [TS]

  that money and somebody like me i have a [TS]

  tremendous advantage which is that I'm [TS]

  not beholden to anybody right I didn't [TS]

  come up out of the union's I didn't come [TS]

  up out of the prosecutor's office right [TS]

  i am a completely free agent who also [TS]

  like knows every nook and cranny of [TS]

  Seattle and so I go into this able to [TS]

  say i am i'm clean and I'm also like I [TS]

  have a have a moral compass I'm not [TS]

  liable to a to have somebody sidle up to [TS]

  me and hand me a briefcase and somebody [TS]

  just gives you a candle get write it [TS]

  down [TS]

  well there's only free to get back to me [TS]

  on that if you need me know I i went and [TS]

  had a long meeting with the with the [TS]

  Seattle elections ethics office where [TS]

  all of that was it was talked about and [TS]

  there are really clear rules for [TS]

  everything you know but they aren't they [TS]

  are clear they're not and I was no [TS]

  they're not good and if you take money [TS]

  from somebody you need to have been [TS]

  their name and address and phone number [TS]

  two I mean you can't just if somebody [TS]

  walks up and says here seven hundred [TS]

  dollars in a paper bag good luck [TS]

  you have to hand it back to them you [TS]

  have to say you need to fill out a form [TS]

  right that allows us to know that you [TS]

  gave me this money but this becomes [TS]

  that's gonna have to be a big part of [TS]

  what you do for the next few months [TS]

  writing especially first was getting I [TS]

  don't know anything about anything but [TS]

  only part of it is like getting that [TS]

  money from other people show 0 serious [TS]

  and then absolutely [TS]

  ok we are early money is like yeast [TS]

  right like you start getting that and [TS]

  then people want to give me more [TS]

  it's the way you communicate to the [TS]

  professional political class [TS]

  no journalists and the people who are [TS]

  watching the race it's the way you [TS]

  communicate that you are contender is [TS]

  strictly that you have money and that's [TS]

  why you end up with people running for [TS]

  office who are already millionaires and [TS]

  they just use their own money and that's [TS]

  why we're taking those people seriously [TS]

  because they have money and and it [TS]

  doesn't mean that they are actually [TS]

  serious people or good people [TS]

  it just means that they start out with [TS]

  the advantage of having the money to run [TS]

  a campaign that the advantage that i [TS]

  have that the other candidates don't is [TS]

  that I'm not struggling for name [TS]

  recognition and also there's nobody else [TS]

  running for City office who lives on the [TS]

  internet the way I do [TS]

  who and so I've never you know I've [TS]

  never gone to the internet and ask them [TS]

  for anything all i do is give to the [TS]

  internet you know this about me I do [TS]

  know that I leave until my eyeballs hard [TS]

  about whether you even want to [TS]

  participate once you did you just open [TS]

  those gates and just all your gifts just [TS]

  came flowing out one way one way John [TS]

  that's right I said internet here take [TS]

  it all [TS]

  you know I i'm basically the giving tree [TS]

  of the internet who didn't get chopped [TS]

  down [TS]

  yeah he does for others and you know [TS]

  what I've been chopped down but I got up [TS]

  again I think [TS]

  again I think [TS]

  those guys are anarchists who know they [TS]

  are yesterday number Wamba Wamba Wamba [TS]

  are anarchists they lay our collective [TS]

  an anarchist collective I'm gonna go [TS]

  read up on this I remember Peter Garrett [TS]

  Peter Garrett was one of the government [TS]

  oil right didn't he actually did he [TS]

  actually win in his election give it [TS]

  back [TS]

  wow he did when he was a very effective [TS]

  politician hell of a dancer too [TS]

  he said he's an extraordinary man and i [TS]

  think i think in Australian he's hot [TS]

  held in fairly high regard they have an [TS]

  unusual I've seen remember reading [TS]

  overhearing one another all guys running [TS]

  for office they have don't they have [TS]

  kind of a wackadoodle with all respect [TS]

  to our fuzzy friends the kind of a [TS]

  wackadoodle way of doing national [TS]

  elections where it's I guess someone [TS]

  electoral in nature or something where [TS]

  like an outsider can can actually have a [TS]

  chance or something like that i don't [TS]

  know i don't know it's been interesting [TS]

  my understanding about Australian [TS]

  elections is that they put a marble in a [TS]

  conch shell and then they put the conch [TS]

  shell at the bottom of a reef who and [TS]

  that it's out of pillar at the bottom of [TS]

  a reef they don't say which reef and [TS]

  they get half a map to give each [TS]

  candidate a knife and let them and they [TS]

  have to carry the knife in their mouth [TS]

  yeah and then they ask you is that a [TS]

  knife and then you have to answer as a [TS]

  dog that's your makeup that's not a [TS]

  solenoid oh do ya I think they do things [TS]

  very differently there and I think in [TS]

  New Zealand right don't you just you go [TS]

  to the top of a volcano and throw [TS]

  somebody in and the and the family is [TS]

  something like that name but they scream [TS]

  on their way down there may be answers [TS]

  that you not confuse it with the [TS]

  Australian Way of doing elections [TS]

  they're very sensitive about that let's [TS]

  you know what enough said [TS]

  yeah about the Kiwis versus the also [TS]

  what he's gonna miss when you get a [TS]

  minute here again I mean like you you [TS]

  gotta miss let's be honest you're gonna [TS]

  I'm guessing you're gonna miss like [TS]

  having your time be your own such as it [TS]

  has been that that's got to be one [TS]

  well it yes it i will but I also you [TS]

  know you stand at the threshold of [TS]

  something and you cannot take a step [TS]

  forward if you are consumed with [TS]

  thinking about what you're going to miss [TS]

  like what I don't know about what the [TS]

  future holds about what my life is going [TS]

  to look like is everything I do [TS]

  don't know anything about what is going [TS]

  to happen next and that's thrilling and [TS]

  I just have to step into that what I [TS]

  will you know when when before my [TS]

  daughter was born a lot of people said [TS]

  aren't you gonna miss your freedom and I [TS]

  said well you know I've had a lot of [TS]

  freedom [TS]

  I've been to a lot of plays and dance [TS]

  recitals and bars and rock shows and in [TS]

  fact for many years I would go to three [TS]

  or four rock shows a night [TS]

  um I'll i have lived I have sucked the [TS]

  marrow out of life who once my daughter [TS]

  was born I realized that whatever [TS]

  whatever I no longer could do because of [TS]

  my daughter what that did not feel like [TS]

  a sacrifice at all right I couldn't go [TS]

  out and see rock shows anymore because i [TS]

  was at home with my beautiful daughter [TS]

  who you know looking into her eyes is [TS]

  like a kind of drug that i never knew [TS]

  existed and so I don't I mean only [TS]

  somebody that doesn't have a kid would [TS]

  ask you aren't you worried about losing [TS]

  your freedom because when you're when [TS]

  you lose your freedom you do it [TS]

  voluntarily and you say farewell to to [TS]

  you my freedom I mean hopefully you do [TS]

  at least i did i said i do not need to [TS]

  go to see spoon tonight although I want [TS]

  to because i'm here with my daughter [TS]

  which is something I want to do more and [TS]

  so in looking at my myfuturelife a [TS]

  running for office first which is a very [TS]

  different job from holding office second [TS]

  i can only hope and expect that [TS]

  that the sacrifice of giving up my [TS]

  ability to go down to portland this [TS]

  afternoon because I want to talk to [TS]

  somebody about a hamburger and then once [TS]

  I'm down there maybe I'll you know do it [TS]

  like jump up at their show and play [TS]

  guitar solo like losing the ability to [TS]

  do that because I have to hear I hear [TS]

  that you have to be here the following [TS]

  morning to hear about how work we're [TS]

  going to redo our sewer system to [TS]

  accommodate wet wipes um I can only hope [TS]

  that and I and I do expect that I will [TS]

  be so invigorated and thrilled by the [TS]

  opportunity that i won't look at it as a [TS]

  sacrifice [TS]

  that's a good answer now yeah and I and [TS]

  I and I can't imagine i can't imagine [TS]

  looking at the next 40 to 50 years of my [TS]

  life on this planet and thinking about [TS]

  it in in any terms other them that you [TS]

  know I have to just keep stepping [TS]

  through that door every time and and you [TS]

  know that because the alternative is to [TS]

  just come to a doorway one day where I [TS]

  go well that's sad it's one door way too [TS]

  many I'm not stepping through this one [TS]

  I'm just I'm fine here and that doesn't [TS]

  feel like it would you know that's not [TS]

  what I've been working toward movement [TS]

  and hopefully you know I don't come to [TS]

  some doorway and have somebody say like [TS]

  well if you step through this doorway [TS]

  there's either a lion or a beautiful [TS]

  princess in a lady or a tiger which is [TS]

  it gonna be huh you know is that what [TS]

  i'm gonna do is i'm gonna i'm going to [TS]

  open both doors at the same time because [TS]

  I'm i got long arms [TS]

  yeah this is gonna be a ride you know [TS]

  what and the thing is like we're going [TS]

  to talk about some stuff some weird [TS]

  stuff on here i'm not going to continue [TS]

  can't continue to monopolize our mutual [TS]

  podcast that we love so dearly [TS]

  is that a commitment that's campaign [TS]

  promise what this is my commitment to [TS]

  you and I would like I would like if you [TS]

  will if you will allow us who I would [TS]

  like to close out this announcement [TS]

  podcast with your new thought technology [TS]

  about cooking chicken [TS]

  thank you John first of all I'd like to [TS]

  say thank you for the opportunity to [TS]

  appear here tonight and have an [TS]

  opportunity to share [TS]

  I thought technology that I think many [TS]

  of you will enjoy but not innocent dogs [TS]

  emphatically a lot of people like to eat [TS]

  chicken crowd goes wild [TS]

  I read about this in a book and a recent [TS]

  book [TS]

  yeah i read it back meditated on the [TS]

  internet and printed out a little for a [TS]

  new way to cook in China can talk about [TS]

  this this is this is the in the middle [TS]

  of your portent I can't come out and [TS]

  drop a chicken recipe your you tell you [TS]

  you just said this is the problem this [TS]

  is the problem what you're worried that [TS]

  we're gonna lose all the great chicken [TS]

  recipes because of the great chicken [TS]

  because suddenly were suddenly were [TS]

  operating on a higher level with well [TS]

  this is special this is a special [TS]

  edition [TS]

  yeah i don't know if i want to sell it [TS]

  with my chicken okay well you know the [TS]

  thing is I want I want I want to give [TS]

  that chicken time to first of all [TS]

  marinate that's a good question if [TS]

  anything I feel like it's too easy of a [TS]

  recipe other any other questions do any [TS]

  closing remarks today we'll talk about [TS]

  the chicken next time but you've got [TS]

  this is gonna I just what I guess I this [TS]

  is a good place to to set a few things [TS]

  straight in as much as we can which is [TS]

  we're gonna keep doing the show that's [TS]

  right that we we hopefully our hopefully [TS]

  our schedule not become too erratic but [TS]

  that's a little out of our control and [TS]

  it would be bad overcommit that's right [TS]

  but we're going to continue to do this [TS]

  show because that is our commitment not [TS]

  only to you the listener who [TS]

  Sorry Sorry breaking the fourth wall i [TS]

  know we don't do that our community but [TS]

  also Marlon our commitment to one [TS]

  another if it were not for you my friend [TS]

  Marilyn man who I would be less of a man [TS]

  that I am today [TS]

  and you have you have you have made me [TS]

  more of a you have made me more of an [TS]

  adult [TS]

  oh you have been the you have been the [TS]

  little pill flavored like a turkey [TS]

  dinner that has enabled this space [TS]

  program to make this mission to Mars [TS]

  success [TS]

  oh this podcast has been the wall in [TS]

  front of your 55 inches away from your [TS]

  face as you go into death can hurtling [TS]

  into space that's right [TS]

  this podcast has been the whopper which [TS]

  both starts a global thermonuclear war [TS]

  uh-huh and also recognizes that the only [TS]

  winning move is not to plant arrest [TS]

  congratulations welcome my candidacy [TS]

  thank you it's a whoo boy it's gonna be [TS]

  it's gonna be fun i hope that everybody [TS]

  follows along [TS]

  listen a vote Roderick com who well is [TS]

  the website vote Roderick calm down on [TS]

  it it's going to be on the internet vote [TS]

  Roderick calm and I mean basically my [TS]

  expectation is that everybody listen to [TS]

  this podcast will go there and [TS]

  immediately donate the maximum amount of [TS]

  money they can sure i mean i think it [TS]

  was that saying yeah unfortunately we [TS]

  cannot accept money from the United [TS]

  Kingdom New Zealand Australia Germany [TS]

  Finland or actually any country other [TS]

  than America really got a vet that huh [TS]

  you cannot give money to the campaign if [TS]

  you do not live in America and I'm sorry [TS]

  to all of our own no one problem at a [TS]

  time John one problem at a time but if [TS]

  you do live in America if you live say [TS]

  for instance in Kansas City Kansas or [TS]

  Kansas City Missouri URL City New [TS]

  Hampshire if you live in Kansas City New [TS]

  Hampshire i would love to get a map of [TS]

  your town because it's what I don't have [TS]

  in my collection but you can give money [TS]

  to the campaign from anywhere in America [TS]

  because of course Seattle is one of [TS]

  America's top cities and if Seattle goes [TS]

  so too does America go right as seattle [TS]

  moves America moves and so it is not [TS]

  unreasonable to think that people who [TS]

  live elsewhere [TS]

  want to see Seattle move move [TS]

  wait and and so yes that is the [TS]

  opportunity boat rod or you know i'm [TS]

  going to say that and i'm sorry/not not [TS]

  dot org although don't we do also have [TS]

  dot org Roderick com Roderick com [TS]

  anybody in the u.s. they just jump in [TS]

  that's right in the end anything that [TS]

  you talked about that on here [TS]

  how do you mean i don't know i mean like [TS]

  it's okay it's okay that's for money [TS]

  right well i mean i know that's what the [TS]

  best thing that we have to and and you [TS]

  know I think there's that there is a [TS]

  desire [TS]

  well first of all as we said already [TS]

  everybody on this podcast will [TS]

  automatically give the maximum but then [TS]

  they have to go to their friends and [TS]

  family for in the united states in the [TS]

  United States and say and those of you [TS]

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  family in the United States you can [TS]

  absolutely call them and send them [TS]

  emails believe no donor behind and and [TS]

  ultimately to spread the word and I what [TS]

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  spread the word where this is this [TS]

  candidacy is recognized as representing [TS]

  all of us [TS]

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  better future moving Seattle within the [TS]

  constraints of the election laws but mom [TS]

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  tell someone in the United States ok yes [TS]

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  point if you find a friend in Germany [TS]

  and tell them to call the united states [TS]

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