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Roderick on the Line

Ep. 154: "West Coast Noncommittal"

 

00:00:00   this episode of Roderick on the line is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/0">TS</a>]

00:00:01   sponsored by cards against humanity this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1">TS</a>]

00:00:04   month they ask paul and storm to help me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4">TS</a>]

00:00:06   say hi to john [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6">TS</a>]

00:00:09   dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/9">TS</a>]

00:00:15   all i need is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/15">TS</a>]

00:00:19   I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/19">TS</a>]

00:00:26   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/26">TS</a>]

00:00:34   hello hello how are you today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/34">TS</a>]

00:00:38   that's right oh that's just swell Bob's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/38">TS</a>]

00:00:41   your uncle my raccoon hat on and i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/41">TS</a>]

00:00:46   ready to broadcast as a side note we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/46">TS</a>]

00:00:49   that for 90 minutes it's rob but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/49">TS</a>]

00:00:52   gotta keep moving you gotta get out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/52">TS</a>]

00:00:53   the way that's number one and number two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/53">TS</a>]

00:00:54   what that in your pipe and smoke it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/54">TS</a>]

00:00:56   take it to the bank and Johnny like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/56">TS</a>]

00:01:01   nothing I've done this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/61">TS</a>]

00:01:02   the amazing thing is you know that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/62">TS</a>]

00:01:05   know that quality when you look at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/65">TS</a>]

00:01:06   really old photographs of people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/66">TS</a>]

00:01:09   you look at you find a photograph of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/69">TS</a>]

00:01:10   of a whole class of from school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/70">TS</a>]

00:01:13   you look more like you know but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/73">TS</a>]

00:01:14   adults like a technical school or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/74">TS</a>]

00:01:16   something you look at their pictures and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/76">TS</a>]

00:01:18   their faces there there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/78">TS</a>]

00:01:20   physiognomy is just look old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/80">TS</a>]

00:01:23   oh yeah they don't look like modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/83">TS</a>]

00:01:25   people who and then when you listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/85">TS</a>]

00:01:27   recordings of the way people talked in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/87">TS</a>]

00:01:30   old movies radio I don't talk like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/90">TS</a>]

00:01:34   normal people either they talk like old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/94">TS</a>]

00:01:38   only like maybe civilians not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/98">TS</a>]

00:01:40   training broadcaster types of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/100">TS</a>]

00:01:42   the thing is the difference today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/102">TS</a>]

00:01:42   everybody wants to be on TV and radio so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/102">TS</a>]

00:01:46   everybody's already you could do a man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/106">TS</a>]

00:01:48   on the street a person on the street and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/108">TS</a>]

00:01:49   they're going to have a bit move back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/109">TS</a>]

00:01:51   then you hear interviews with people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/111">TS</a>]

00:01:53   from like the fifties and sixties it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/113">TS</a>]

00:01:54   delightful because they they sound like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/114">TS</a>]

00:01:56   normal people they're normal people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/116">TS</a>]

00:01:58   also there's a bit yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/118">TS</a>]

00:02:00   when you look at those classic movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/120">TS</a>]

00:02:01   from the from the nineteen thirties or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/121">TS</a>]

00:02:03   the you know the early talkies there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/123">TS</a>]

00:02:06   that kind of almost British quality to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/126">TS</a>]

00:02:09   the way they speak in their very you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/129">TS</a>]

00:02:12   know like there's a but but at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/132">TS</a>]

00:02:14   time there's a there's a cut a self [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/134">TS</a>]

00:02:20   awareness of the of their diction right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/140">TS</a>]

00:02:23   that feels a little bit put on it is i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/143">TS</a>]

00:02:27   think i think this is god dammit I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/147">TS</a>]

00:02:29   gonna have to not using the internet now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/149">TS</a>]

00:02:30   this comes up twice a year and I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/150">TS</a>]

00:02:32   find out what this is called but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/152">TS</a>]

00:02:35   I think it's the way that people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/155">TS</a>]

00:02:36   trained elocution I bet you're part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/156">TS</a>]

00:02:40   it part of it is stagecraft out of being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/160">TS</a>]

00:02:44   in plays and stuff but then you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/164">TS</a>]

00:02:47   the early days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/167">TS</a>]

00:02:47   we learned from singing in the rain John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/167">TS</a>]

00:02:49   you have to speak very clearly your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/169">TS</a>]

00:02:51   voice you probably you probably sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/171">TS</a>]

00:02:52   like a clarinet when you talk you got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/172">TS</a>]

00:02:53   have a real resonant voice but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/173">TS</a>]

00:02:56   that's that was the where they called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/176">TS</a>]

00:02:59   like the received pronunciation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/179">TS</a>]

00:03:01   Hollywood yes you know like the BBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/181">TS</a>]

00:03:03   english i think that was our version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/183">TS</a>]

00:03:05   that with the received Hollywood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/185">TS</a>]

00:03:06   pronunciation well and this is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/186">TS</a>]

00:03:08   the you know I've said for many years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/188">TS</a>]

00:03:10   that I believe that the English language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/190">TS</a>]

00:03:14   has continued to evolve as it has moved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/194">TS</a>]

00:03:17   away from its form its place of origin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/197">TS</a>]

00:03:20   and that actually the the most perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/200">TS</a>]

00:03:25   spoken english is that which is spoken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/205">TS</a>]

00:03:29   by the educated people of Alaska [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/209">TS</a>]

00:03:32   mhm because it's been through every gate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/212">TS</a>]

00:03:36   right it's it's it's made its way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/216">TS</a>]

00:03:39   through all this sort of Midwestern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/219">TS</a>]

00:03:41   nasal and southern drawl and west coast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/221">TS</a>]

00:03:45   non-committal and it's made its way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/225">TS</a>]

00:03:49   isn't that the Jon west coast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/229">TS</a>]

00:03:51   non-committal west coast non-committal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/231">TS</a>]

00:03:52   you hear it all the time it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/232">TS</a>]

00:03:55   it's kind of spoken from your teeth but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/235">TS</a>]

00:03:58   then you get to Alaska and every you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00   know everyone since Alaska has been so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/240">TS</a>]

00:04:03   recently settled by Europeans right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/243">TS</a>]

00:04:06   a it's a mishmash of all the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/246">TS</a>]

00:04:08   spoken english 'as and we have refined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/248">TS</a>]

00:04:11   it until it has become perfect and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/251">TS</a>]

00:04:16   know it is broadcaster English but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/256">TS</a>]

00:04:19   better and when I want to advance this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/259">TS</a>]

00:04:22   theory to people for instance from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/262">TS</a>]

00:04:23   England they find it laughable but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/263">TS</a>]

00:04:28   are still speaking a kind of archaic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/268">TS</a>]

00:04:30   english some leftover hodgepodge some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/270">TS</a>]

00:04:34   steak and kidney pie that's been left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/274">TS</a>]

00:04:36   out on the counter snap and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/276">TS</a>]

00:04:41   meanwhile we have been well right here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/281">TS</a>]

00:04:44   in Alaska perfecting a language that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/284">TS</a>]

00:04:46   right we have we have we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/286">TS</a>]

00:04:47   we've sent it through a thousand cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/287">TS</a>]

00:04:49   clubs and here it is the best version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/289">TS</a>]

00:04:53   not some not some Boston you know some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/293">TS</a>]

00:04:59   Boston baked beans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/299">TS</a>]

00:05:01   means of English know there's Alaskan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/301">TS</a>]

00:05:04   English the enemy hate beans and pie is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/304">TS</a>]

00:05:06   he perfect version food I can I have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/306">TS</a>]

00:05:10   the problem is Alaska has a very small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/310">TS</a>]

00:05:11   population and everyone else is allied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/311">TS</a>]

00:05:15   against this theory but i really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/315">TS</a>]

00:05:17   think there's something to it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/317">TS</a>]

00:05:19   anything that you can demonstrate well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/319">TS</a>]

00:05:21   demonstrated only in the perfect way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/321">TS</a>]

00:05:24   that i speak english you just blew my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/324">TS</a>]

00:05:26   mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/326">TS</a>]

00:05:27   hmm i've been getting the demo the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/327">TS</a>]

00:05:28   time that's right that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/328">TS</a>]

00:05:31   if you can I mean and it and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/331">TS</a>]

00:05:33   some there are some small like glitches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/333">TS</a>]

00:05:37   write some some brief moment some max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/337">TS</a>]

00:05:41   headroom moments where you see you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/341">TS</a>]

00:05:43   the behind the curtain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/343">TS</a>]

00:05:44   mm see the see the matrix for instance i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/344">TS</a>]

00:05:47   do say everybody everybody you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/347">TS</a>]

00:05:51   everybody over here you you got you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/351">TS</a>]

00:05:54   know i don't like me deal that you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/354">TS</a>]

00:05:55   several that i know i've got several now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/355">TS</a>]

00:05:57   wait a minute you're saying several you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/357">TS</a>]

00:05:59   have you you can name more than one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/359">TS</a>]

00:06:00   everybody what's the name of the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/360">TS</a>]

00:06:05   where you did you show last year on dude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/365">TS</a>]

00:06:07   what's goin on the rendezvous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/367">TS</a>]

00:06:12   yeah how's that supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/372">TS</a>]

00:06:14   pronounced i think its rendezvous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/374">TS</a>]

00:06:16   it's French I like the way you say it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/376">TS</a>]

00:06:19   but i know i say this because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/379">TS</a>]

00:06:21   i'm being defensive because I have more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/381">TS</a>]

00:06:24   of these and I realized and then once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/384">TS</a>]

00:06:26   people start pointing out that become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/386">TS</a>]

00:06:27   self-conscious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/387">TS</a>]

00:06:27   yeah you know the people yell at me for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/387">TS</a>]

00:06:29   saying Sasquatch almost a sasquatch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/389">TS</a>]

00:06:32   sasquatch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/392">TS</a>]

00:06:33   what about what your kids put on to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/393">TS</a>]

00:06:35   to bed at night cameras pajamas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/395">TS</a>]

00:06:38   yeah but what do you say well I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/398">TS</a>]

00:06:41   know I'm really come on the horns of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/401">TS</a>]

00:06:42   dilemma between pajamas and pajamas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/402">TS</a>]

00:06:44   pajamas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/404">TS</a>]

00:06:46   yeah that doesn't settle fancy come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/406">TS</a>]

00:06:48   that's like arms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/408">TS</a>]

00:06:49   ok thank you John god fucking dammit on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/409">TS</a>]

00:06:54   on is like writing a sentence without an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/414">TS</a>]

00:06:57   oxford comma mon is on is terrible onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/417">TS</a>]

00:07:00   is terrible and it really it really buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/420">TS</a>]

00:07:03   and the thing is my wife the thing is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/423">TS</a>]

00:07:05   this is you know what it's like to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/425">TS</a>]

00:07:06   a relationship right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/426">TS</a>]

00:07:07   barely but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/427">TS</a>]

00:07:10   you don't know what it get the better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/430">TS</a>]

00:07:16   throw it out the window the better wipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/436">TS</a>]

00:07:19   my tears with it you know i have said i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/439">TS</a>]

00:07:23   don't know i'm not saying i have success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/443">TS</a>]

00:07:24   with this but I think a big part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   being in any kind of a long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/446">TS</a>]

00:07:27   relationship is learning the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/447">TS</a>]

00:07:29   only you were allowed to be right about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/449">TS</a>]

00:07:31   oh if you can if you can minimize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/451">TS</a>]

00:07:33   number of things that only you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/453">TS</a>]

00:07:35   allowed to be right about here you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/455">TS</a>]

00:07:36   thought technology that's a thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/456">TS</a>]

00:07:38   technology because i think it makes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/458">TS</a>]

00:07:39   a better person and i'm pretty sure even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/459">TS</a>]

00:07:42   though you may not you may still think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/462">TS</a>]

00:07:44   in your mind that you need to be right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/464">TS</a>]

00:07:45   about something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/465">TS</a>]

00:07:46   there's just so much stuff where I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/466">TS</a>]

00:07:47   to really keep my powder dry right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/467">TS</a>]

00:07:50   the thing is i also know how desperately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/470">TS</a>]

00:07:52   fucked up i am so I'm always looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/472">TS</a>]

00:07:54   improvement opportunities right but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/474">TS</a>]

00:07:55   have to say there are some things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/475">TS</a>]

00:07:58   capitulated on on because everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/478">TS</a>]

00:08:02   well because of my lady everybody in her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/482">TS</a>]

00:08:04   family says on so I'm the only one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/484">TS</a>]

00:08:06   the family that refers to an su instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/486">TS</a>]

00:08:09   of on soon they think I'm talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/489">TS</a>]

00:08:11   you know insects or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/491">TS</a>]

00:08:12   but then sometimes I find myself saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/492">TS</a>]

00:08:14   yeah that's right Ellie ya later in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/494">TS</a>]

00:08:16   month we're going to your on uncle's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/496">TS</a>]

00:08:17   house back because I catch myself having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/497">TS</a>]

00:08:21   to speak it phonetically all all all all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/501">TS</a>]

00:08:24   alcohol i don't know i guess they see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/504">TS</a>]

00:08:26   why but i I've got through this with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/506">TS</a>]

00:08:28   few people like I was talking to another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/508">TS</a>]

00:08:30   program about how you take the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/510">TS</a>]

00:08:32   name of the guy who is the deputy on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/512">TS</a>]

00:08:35   Andy Griffith you take the phenomenon of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/515">TS</a>]

00:08:38   Sun coming up in the morning and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/518">TS</a>]

00:08:39   pronounce both of those the same up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/519">TS</a>]

00:08:42   bar need on party down and Dawn ok now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/522">TS</a>]

00:08:47   do you see there's any different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/527">TS</a>]

00:08:48   dawn and dawn so they're easy i'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/528">TS</a>]

00:08:52   are you saying that if you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/532">TS</a>]

00:08:53   differently right yeah dawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/533">TS</a>]

00:08:55   ok this is this is my color this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/535">TS</a>]

00:08:57   me and color blindness and not to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/537">TS</a>]

00:08:58   able assist but this is I can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/538">TS</a>]

00:09:01   hear that difference you cannot hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/541">TS</a>]

00:09:03   that are being gone and dawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/543">TS</a>]

00:09:07   haha this is a prank and that's okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/547">TS</a>]

00:09:10   well I no that's no that's because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/550">TS</a>]

00:09:13   feel like I feel like the vast majority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15   of our listeners would be able to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/555">TS</a>]

00:09:17   that i was pronouncing a whole different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/557">TS</a>]

00:09:19   word i'm never gonna be a good idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/559">TS</a>]

00:09:21   professional I i know people from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/561">TS</a>]

00:09:22   tri-state area i feel like people from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/562">TS</a>]

00:09:24   the tri-state area will say do one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/564">TS</a>]

00:09:28   buy tristate area you mean and you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30   New Mexico Arizona and Colorado the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/570">TS</a>]

00:09:33   original the OG now i'm talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/573">TS</a>]

00:09:35   that and you got your new york new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/575">TS</a>]

00:09:36   jersey pennsylvania triads yeah right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/576">TS</a>]

00:09:39   get you I don't know and you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/579">TS</a>]

00:09:41   just it's it's funny because like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/581">TS</a>]

00:09:42   don't think of myself as being i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44   people who are very sensitive about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/584">TS</a>]

00:09:45   pronunciation and in the same way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/585">TS</a>]

00:09:47   you might be sensitive about like a lazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/587">TS</a>]

00:09:50   eye or something you know for all people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/590">TS</a>]

00:09:52   because they feel like they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/592">TS</a>]

00:09:53   overcoming some some like regionalism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/593">TS</a>]

00:09:56   maybe but also we talked about this at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/596">TS</a>]

00:10:00   phenomenon and I have some very smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/600">TS</a>]

00:10:02   people have the same problem where if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/602">TS</a>]

00:10:04   you're a reader and especially if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/604">TS</a>]

00:10:06   an internet radio I see you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/606">TS</a>]

00:10:08   know where I'm going with this yes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/608">TS</a>]

00:10:09   you've read a word you have one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/609">TS</a>]

00:10:11   I remember I can't remember what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/611">TS</a>]

00:10:12   word is but you'll have read a name or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/612">TS</a>]

00:10:15   you have read you know a given word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/615">TS</a>]

00:10:17   potentially thousands of times you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/617">TS</a>]

00:10:20   actually no more than eighty percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/620">TS</a>]

00:10:22   the population about this noun when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/622">TS</a>]

00:10:24   you've never actually had to say it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/624">TS</a>]

00:10:26   loud but wait i said i used one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/626">TS</a>]

00:10:28   very beginning of this program I i use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/628">TS</a>]

00:10:31   the word physiognomy which allows you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/631">TS</a>]

00:10:34   zero physiognomies physiognomies me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/634">TS</a>]

00:10:37   I and neither one of them sounds right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/637">TS</a>]

00:10:39   and I as a writer i have used this word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/639">TS</a>]

00:10:43   thousand times i think it all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/643">TS</a>]

00:10:45   like that that's an interest is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47   interesting physiognomy but I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/647">TS</a>]

00:10:50   actually not know how it is pronounced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/650">TS</a>]

00:10:52   and every time I start to say the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/652">TS</a>]

00:10:55   I've become aware i'm about I become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/655">TS</a>]

00:10:58   aware that I have gone too far in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/658">TS</a>]

00:10:59   sentence to not say it and then i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/659">TS</a>]

00:11:02   committed and that somewhere halfway i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/662">TS</a>]

00:11:05   in the air right doing a Daffy hehe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/665">TS</a>]

00:11:09   don't have time to think about whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/669">TS</a>]

00:11:10   you should have junk you just need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/670">TS</a>]

00:11:11   figure out having a land without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/671">TS</a>]

00:11:12   breaking something and I'm going to land [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14   it and I and I either and depending on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/674">TS</a>]

00:11:16   who the person i'm going to is I either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/676">TS</a>]

00:11:18   go physiognomy is yummy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/678">TS</a>]

00:11:21   because yeah I just I just I try and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/681">TS</a>]

00:11:24   out of there i try to get to the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/684">TS</a>]

00:11:26   is life cycle through an array of every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/686">TS</a>]

00:11:28   conceivable pronunciation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/688">TS</a>]

00:11:29   mispronunciation and here's what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/689">TS</a>]

00:11:31   look like you're genuinely damaged yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/691">TS</a>]

00:11:33   the problem is i have gone multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/693">TS</a>]

00:11:36   times two dictionaries and looked at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/696">TS</a>]

00:11:38   jumble of upside-down use and other you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/698">TS</a>]

00:11:42   know diphthongs trying to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44   what the pronunciation of that word is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/704">TS</a>]

00:11:46   and i get i can't make heads or tails of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/706">TS</a>]

00:11:49   it even when I really investigate it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/709">TS</a>]

00:11:51   I never no one ever uses it no-one ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/711">TS</a>]

00:11:54   says it out loud right right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/714">TS</a>]

00:11:56   you're traveling sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/716">TS</a>]

00:11:57   so I walk through the world waiting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/717">TS</a>]

00:11:59   some waiting for someone else to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/719">TS</a>]

00:12:01   that word to me so that i can i can at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/721">TS</a>]

00:12:03   least latch onto their pronunciation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/723">TS</a>]

00:12:05   it and say fuck it I know one thing I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/725">TS</a>]

00:12:09   heard it once but I'm not no one ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/729">TS</a>]

00:12:11   speaks it and I think it's because no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/731">TS</a>]

00:12:12   one else knows how to pronounce it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/732">TS</a>]

00:12:14   I think that's I think it's too i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/734">TS</a>]

00:12:15   as writerly people we tacitly understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/735">TS</a>]

00:12:19   that if you don't know the meaning of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/739">TS</a>]

00:12:21   word don't use it to make sure you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/741">TS</a>]

00:12:24   you go you go look it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/744">TS</a>]

00:12:26   that's good you're improving your word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/746">TS</a>]

00:12:28   power you know saying improve your word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/748">TS</a>]

00:12:30   power you want to prove your word power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/750">TS</a>]

00:12:32   I'm just saying though you might you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/752">TS</a>]

00:12:33   might want to be careful if you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/753">TS</a>]

00:12:35   using the word and don't like the times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/755">TS</a>]

00:12:37   for example that I have said expendable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/757">TS</a>]

00:12:39   when I meant flexible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/759">TS</a>]

00:12:40   ok that was really super embarrassing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/760">TS</a>]

00:12:43   right I I used to say I used to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/763">TS</a>]

00:12:47   momentum when I meant inertia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/767">TS</a>]

00:12:50   oh no I notice these things a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/770">TS</a>]

00:12:53   than I used to and I don't think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/773">TS</a>]

00:12:55   myself as a word nerd but i really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/775">TS</a>]

00:12:57   i really like using the appropriate word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/777">TS</a>]

00:13:00   and it drives me crazy when i realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/780">TS</a>]

00:13:02   i've been using an incorrect or in exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/782">TS</a>]

00:13:04   word for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/784">TS</a>]

00:13:06   yeah yeah the the hardest part of doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/786">TS</a>]

00:13:12   that is getting corrected like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/792">TS</a>]

00:13:16   momentum and inertia one I knew i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/796">TS</a>]

00:13:18   using it wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/798">TS</a>]

00:13:19   I mean I knew I was it was one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/799">TS</a>]

00:13:21   things where you're searching you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/801">TS</a>]

00:13:22   doing the Terminator and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/802">TS</a>]

00:13:24   searching your a your pc here heads-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/804">TS</a>]

00:13:27   display feet for fuck you asshole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/807">TS</a>]

00:13:29   momentum asshole and and I and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/809">TS</a>]

00:13:33   didn't have inertia entered into my did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/813">TS</a>]

00:13:38   my you know my dictionary for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/818">TS</a>]

00:13:40   application and it's not that I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/820">TS</a>]

00:13:43   learned it I just hadn't gotten it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/823">TS</a>]

00:13:45   wasn't on the short list and i kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/825">TS</a>]

00:13:47   getting to momentum and just saying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/827">TS</a>]

00:13:50   because I wanted to get on with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/830">TS</a>]

00:13:52   thought right and neat the bass player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/832">TS</a>]

00:13:55   of the decemberists once in a bar said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/835">TS</a>]

00:13:59   do you mean inertia and i was like i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/839">TS</a>]

00:14:03   mean inertia thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/843">TS</a>]

00:14:06   and then that use of that word is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/846">TS</a>]

00:14:10   tied to Nate query and I bet you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/850">TS</a>]

00:14:17   think about it i cannot say the word and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/857">TS</a>]

00:14:20   then I cannot say inertia in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/860">TS</a>]

00:14:22   that I mean it's now without without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/862">TS</a>]

00:14:24   picturing him picturing his kindly face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/864">TS</a>]

00:14:26   you know i am and i happen to like him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/866">TS</a>]

00:14:29   very much and he meant he meant that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/869">TS</a>]

00:14:30   a very nice what I mean he wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/870">TS</a>]

00:14:31   ashamed people I I i still this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/871">TS</a>]

00:14:35   little bit of a call back but now for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/875">TS</a>]

00:14:38   the last few months every time that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/878">TS</a>]

00:14:39   rare that i drink from a water fountain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/879">TS</a>]

00:14:41   but every time I drink from a water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/881">TS</a>]

00:14:42   fountain now I think of your friend that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/882">TS</a>]

00:14:44   I've never met who told me to think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/884">TS</a>]

00:14:47   him when i drink from a water fountain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/887">TS</a>]

00:14:49   that's right oh my god it's it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/889">TS</a>]

00:14:51   it's a it's a mental virus expanding 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/891">TS</a>]

00:14:54   years it's ridiculous and i'll bet you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/894">TS</a>]

00:14:56   right now there are people listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/896">TS</a>]

00:14:57   the show that are gonna go drink drink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/897">TS</a>]

00:14:59   from a water fountain they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/899">TS</a>]

00:15:00   think of me thinking of your friend that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/900">TS</a>]

00:15:03   they've never met language is a virus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/903">TS</a>]

00:15:05   who it's insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/905">TS</a>]

00:15:07   he planted that bug knowingly well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/907">TS</a>]

00:15:10   because you say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/910">TS</a>]

00:15:11   what a dick here's the thing and I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/911">TS</a>]

00:15:13   know I don't have I feel myself like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/913">TS</a>]

00:15:17   like slowly grinding into permanent old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/917">TS</a>]

00:15:20   man mode it's happening to it so fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/920">TS</a>]

00:15:23   when we started this podcast we're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/923">TS</a>]

00:15:25   young men were a podcast of ideas and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/925">TS</a>]

00:15:28   now we are just let leibnitz and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/928">TS</a>]

00:15:33   and solar installer here's the thing I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/933">TS</a>]

00:15:40   am not one of the i don't think i'm one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/940">TS</a>]

00:15:42   of those people that feels like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/942">TS</a>]

00:15:43   language should be static is obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/943">TS</a>]

00:15:45   it's always evolving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47   you're not a member of the french [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/947">TS</a>]

00:15:47   academy for instance who may know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/947">TS</a>]

00:15:50   believes that we should say from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/950">TS</a>]

00:15:52   bourgeois instead of cheeseburger about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/952">TS</a>]

00:15:56   the foremost booze wha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/956">TS</a>]

00:15:58   we used at least uh like to harass our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/958">TS</a>]

00:16:00   French literature teacher who is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/960">TS</a>]

00:16:03   the French language teacher and so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/963">TS</a>]

00:16:04   would just ask him asinine things in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/964">TS</a>]

00:16:06   middle class all the time and we say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/966">TS</a>]

00:16:09   quickly said you know what is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/969">TS</a>]

00:16:11   professor was called mr. Hixon just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/971">TS</a>]

00:16:13   get on his nerves mr. Jackson how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/973">TS</a>]

00:16:14   sell say my nails salon perfect would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/974">TS</a>]

00:16:17   you say my maison parfait salon you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/977">TS</a>]

00:16:20   talking about flow barrage and you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/980">TS</a>]

00:16:24   have to say might know my nails are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/984">TS</a>]

00:16:25   perfect as though I have just come from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/985">TS</a>]

00:16:27   the salon uh i was explaining to do my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/987">TS</a>]

00:16:32   daughter yesterday that the actual words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/992">TS</a>]

00:16:35   of a fresh acha the actual English [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/995">TS</a>]

00:16:39   traditional singing that night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/999">TS</a>]

00:16:41   yeah and the actual translation should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:44   be brother John brother John sleeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:49   are you sleeping on and she was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51   like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:53   yeah this is insane I was like yeah I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:55   telling you that's why we're in a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:58   tenuous military alliance with friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:01   that's true yeah yeah no absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:03   there's you know there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1023">TS</a>]

00:17:04   cognates in his cognates you know i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:06   saying i do my problem is and I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:09   it's you I i like the evolution of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:11   things i do get i'm not a big fan of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:14   hella when I hear that I mean hella is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:17   kind of the like as hella is to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:21   generation as you know was two hours in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:23   some ways just in the sense that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:25   becomes something that you are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:26   you're putting in everywhere its that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:28   ok that's ok here's my general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:30   overarching issue it's not really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:32   language problem it's a communication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:33   problem i think there are probably think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:35   pieces about this on medium right now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:38   think young people don't know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:39   communicate with other people anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:41   who talking more old man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:44   well I for example I you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:48   talking to somebody on the phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:51   nobody likes try not to i know i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:53   nobody likes talking on the phone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:54   there are times when it is the quickest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:56   path to communication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:59   and I maybe this is just because again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:01   because i was a little kid in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:02   different age but I speak very clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:05   when I'm on the phone I focus very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:09   heavily and I risk sounding like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:12   being very repetitious by making sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:13   that we all understood what we just said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:15   and agreed right just just cuz i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:18   it's really useful to go i do that an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:19   email to do that all the time just click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1099">TS</a>]

00:18:20   just to clarify we're meeting tomorrow / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:23   tuesday that dumb stuff you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:25   rest but I feel like I talk to so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:28   sometimes we get groceries delivered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:29   from this place in town they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:30   call if there's a replacement and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:33   they're not even talking into the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:36   I don't know what they're doing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:37   their phone but they don't they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:39   know how to communicate they don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:41   how to pause to let the other person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:43   speak they don't have to account for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:44   latency and a call it just just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:46   meandering like it's just yeah you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:48   talking about you forget this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:50   mhm and I've heard it said turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:52   I've heard it said that a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:53   say a lot of people say that also means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:57   not something to eye contact when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:58   talk em makes them uncomfortable ICS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1138">TS</a>]

00:19:02   mmog an emoji John you should get more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:05   into emoji you know I'm really behind on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:09   emojis i'm an old enough guy that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:11   can't see what happened emojis are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:13   all look like the turd right somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:16   sent me like a a a winking devil cat not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:20   a turd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:21   I look over the top of my classes really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:23   setting they occurred and that i'm here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:26   today and what is that in that face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:28   anxious is it scared what the turd face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:31   no wonder people the turd face you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:33   is turn but yeah the other the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:35   thing is also the I refused to stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:38   using sentences and punctuation when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:41   text people and i'm told that that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:43   me sound angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:44   OIC yeah right you need to end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:47   everything with a ! three options at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:50   them if you're saying thank you you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:52   supposed to say thanks with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:53   unnecessary ! failing at that you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:56   thanks with no punctuation well oh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:59   if you say thanks for the period it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:01   considered a fuck you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:02   alright thanks thanks thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:06   yeah well I you know I have struggled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:09   with this a lot and I that is we have we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:11   have really jumped the old man chart but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:14   I've definitely struggled with the lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:16   of my socks so hard to put on where does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:19   that other one go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:20   I put two in the dryer I'm sure don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:23   they know old people like hard candy why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:25   the jar so hard to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:27   yeah i do I have succumbed somewhat to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:32   the ! a escalation because I I recognize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:39   you know I do a lot of texting and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:41   recognize that the thanks with a period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:44   is a little is a little bit of a it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:50   little cold mayonnaise you know a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52   bit of its like me but i have said hella [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:56   for 30 years and have hella is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1256">TS</a>]

00:21:02   those things like like dude or like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:09   in the early 90s late late eighties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:12   there was a there was that verbal tic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:16   that went around for a while where you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:18   say like you know oh my god today is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:20   beautiful and the other person will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:23   yeah it is yeah right and you'd be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:26   yeah it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:27   they're like yeah it is and it's it felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:30   like it was a challenge and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:32   picked that up and a dude and and hella [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:36   both were words that i started using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:38   initially as that uh I was charity so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:43   was parodied sarcastic yeah like Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:45   hella and then it just became like I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:49   dude and have said dude I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:52   about a week-and-a-half yeah it off to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:54   go from doing any better voice is a joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:56   to not being able to stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:58   yep and it was one of those for me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:00   and using a lot though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:02   no I'm not like an animal I'm not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:04   some kinda like hella hella dude you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:07   got like it out is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:09   hello amount i do got the other one i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:11   been did I think i actually saw an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:13   article somewhere about this recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:14   the the ascendance of no yeah or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:18   that up that moves real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:20   good night was great like what happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:22   haha i do i I do it all the time no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:25   really it was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:26   yeah I wanted to agree with somebody by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:29   starting by saying no you so lately i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:34   have really I I know what we're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:36   at here which is that where relevant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:39   well know that we're both very confused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:42   because on the one hand we do want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:44   language to be useful and meaningful and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:47   and follow some rules right that seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:51   normal that seems regular at but then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:54   don't we don't want to stand in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:57   of the the constant evolution of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1377">TS</a>]

00:23:00   communication and be like old and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:03   angry about it but at the same time the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:08   entire theme of this podcast for three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:10   years has been that standards are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:11   declining everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:13   yeah and we need to like that but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:17   pull up our pants and and go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:19   work as at our jobs and so i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:24   i i'm talking about personally who i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:29   i'm navigating these these very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:32   precipitous hills in my own life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:36   just wondering i cannot surrender right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:38   that isn't in my nature to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:40   surrender i need to capitulate to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:44   capitulate think that's the better word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:46   but at the same time it's important to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:49   listen and learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:51   you know there's there's there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:52   a lot of the I've been seeing this a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:54   lately where people say like well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:56   just need to listen now and I go I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:59   comfortable listening and learning i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:02   really am I have been doing that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:03   whole life i like it it's a great thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:05   but at a certain point that like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:08   just need to listen is being used as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:10   way of saying you just need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:13   capitulate haha alright and yeah like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:17   listening and learning is wonderful but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:19   then it will get there there's also some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21   you know there needs to be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:24   back-and-forth or some pushback on some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:25   ideas right for some more some asking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:28   clarify right asking to clarify or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:31   you know or just think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:33   King churning on it right i mean there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:35   there's and other that little tick that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:38   I just did which is to end every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:40   sentence with right ? oh yeah super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:43   annoying and I was pointed out it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:46   pointed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:47   not that I was doing it but i was at an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:50   event where the hubby host you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:53   very educated an erudite woman who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:55   giving a long presentation said right at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1495">TS</a>]

00:25:00   the end of every sentence until it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:04   you know until it rub it was like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:05   know you really notice it was like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:07   foghorn in the room and end it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:10   know it didn't detract from like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:13   real smartness of the presentation it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:16   just was like you started to wince at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:19   the end of her senses like I'll got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:20   ology did it again right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:23   and pretty soon so you can notice but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:25   I don't know you know we do have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:29   obligate this is this must be the this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:30   this must be be like the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:37   terrible thing about middle-aged this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:39   must be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:40   merlin which is just to stand athwart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:42   two areas and to say now hold on wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:49   just everyone hold on justice and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:52   must be why middle-aged people are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:54   uncomfortable and why it's why this why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:58   they buy red Corvette why it's talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00   about is such a difficult time right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:03   we're experiencing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:05   yeah I'm because your enemy it's fine i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:07   can't stop thinking this recent episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:08   of louie ck that the live show where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:11   he begins by being mad about the ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:13   treated at this cookware store fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:16   episode but you know in the woman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:18   basically just confront him she's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:19   I'm 24 I on my own store in Manhattan is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:21   this the way you always threatened by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:23   being around young people and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:24   getting his dander up and you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:26   why don't you want to learn about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:27   customer service since i got good wins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:29   sonoma they'll treat you nice them look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:31   look but you know because this Q 24 year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:33   old asian woman who owns her own store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:34   one kiss his ass like he's accustomed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:36   and she basically called the shit on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:38   goes like well you're you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:39   getting older you're becoming less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:40   relevant if you want your kids to evolve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:42   become better than you see things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:43   working out fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:44   that but it also makes you think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:48   know I i guess it was a long time before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:49   I really thought about this just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51   distinction between you talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:53   having two people saying you should just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:55   got listen I mean I think the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:57   distinction between listening and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:58   hearing that i became aware of is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:00   you can hear stuff just stopped for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:03   have to hear what's going on around you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:05   I hear traffic noise outside but i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:06   paying a ton of attention to it when I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:08   listening I'm focusing my attention on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:10   what people are saying with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:12   understand with the with the implicit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:14   now I'm hearing triangle by I hear these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:16   things but when I'm listening to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18   i'm focusing my attention with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:20   partly the idea that i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:22   understand it better but that was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:24   think that's a pretty good distinction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:25   but a more recent one that's really been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:27   occurring to me because internet is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:29   difference between hearing and listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:30   listening means that you pay attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:35   to something for more than content when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:37   you I think when you listen to someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:39   you're looking to go way beyond what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:41   they think they're saying what you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:44   they're saying to learn more about who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46   they are and what they think and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48   context for why they're saying what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   they're saying that you know god damn it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:52   you fucking gamergate douchebags it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:54   means more than just trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:56   contradict the facts of what somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:57   says right means trying to hear what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1677">TS</a>]

00:28:00   they're saying and then listen to why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:02   they're saying it so that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:04   understand the context for more than why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:06   they're not looking for a note from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:09   on how they said it and what they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:10   they're looking for you to have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:12   empathy that sometimes means not talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:14   sometimes that empathy means you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:16   have to you're gonna have to sit here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:17   it's like meditation it's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:19   take one minute to get good at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:20   you're going to be here for a while and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:21   just not talk for a little while in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:23   order to really understand what these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:24   folks are talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:26   yeah and all those listen that's listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:28   to me ultimately listening is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:29   emotional exercise as opposed to hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:33   right and listening is so often right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:37   the when someone says just listen to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:40   what their what they mean is don't ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:43   stone ever offer a solution like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:47   don't ever offer a critique I just want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:51   you to listen as an emotional to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:55   emotionally receptive you know so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:57   people want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:57   to just be heard and it's it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1737">TS</a>]

00:29:01   alien to me because I'm you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:05   from the beginning right I i was that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:10   was at a preschool meeting the other day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:12   and then and that teacher got up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:14   said to everybody in the room can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:17   remember the first time that you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:19   felt heard by a teacher and everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:23   you know knotted thoughtfully and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:24   was like I remember the first time I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:26   ever heard by a teacher i was in 11th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:28   grade and the teacher you know really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:30   heard my project and it and you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:35   his response was what made me decide to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:38   be a teacher myself you know and we went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:41   around the room and everybody told the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:43   story about the first time they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:45   ever heard really heard and noticed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:48   seen by a teacher and you know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:54   problem for me was that there was never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:55   a time in my life when I didn't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:58   hurt by the teachers when I was three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:02   years old I assumed I was being listened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:06   to by the teachers and all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:10   through school I never once occurred to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:13   me that the teacher didn't know not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:16   you know my name and what I was working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:18   on and and was validating my process but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:22   was like celebrating me and I see it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:25   my daughter to like there's there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:28   question in her mind that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:32   everyone is listening to her and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:36   and I was sitting next to a woman who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:38   was like well you know I no one ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:40   listen to me I but I got straight A's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:42   and that's how I knew that's how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:44   knew me they knew me as the girl that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:47   got straight a's but I you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:48   think anybody I never spoke I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:51   it's very different very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:54   experience that I've had and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:58   and and in contrast to what what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:02   kind of surprised me was the majority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:04   experience which was feeling unheard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:06   and so you know that that my whole life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:12   I've spent learning to listen without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:16   offering a an opinion how boy because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:22   you know though because the it was a it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:27   was not my instinct right and I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:30   known a lot of strong people who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:33   said over and over since the time I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:34   22 years old i am going to i had a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:37   day today I'm going to talk about it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:40   you and I would like you to just listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:42   and that was a that was a something it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:46   when i was 18 19 20 it was really hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:48   for me to just listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:49   but I've learned I learned to do it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:51   the it's like you say it's um it's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:54   of the things you do in a relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:55   I'm trying to avoid the else in the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:57   its i think that what you're describing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1917">TS</a>]

00:32:00   is absolutely true and i think that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:02   something like 25 years now we looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:04   it as this Mars and Venus thing where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:07   mean I was all speak for myself it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:09   I didn't realize how terrible i was at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:11   just listening to people for a very long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:13   time i realize i'm still not as good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:15   it as like as I can be but i'm at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:18   aware that i need to just fucking relax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:20   and let the other person talk sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:23   not just because you know one thing also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:25   with with both of us is not an excuse or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:27   a to forgiveness but when we say things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:29   like right like you don't mean like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:32   think that shows in some ways that where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:34   it's not just that we want you to agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:35   with us like I'm constantly doubting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:37   whether i said what i was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:39   thinking whether my thought made any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:41   sense and whether i'm really just having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:43   if I'm just not realizing i haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:45   faced yet i'm constantly thinking do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:47   make any sense when I speak to people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:49   don't want to hear myself and I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:50   things like that make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:51   like I know how needy that sounds but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:53   part of that is actually me going like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:55   ah my brain just runs all the time it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:59   just going and going and going and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:00   sometimes it's like little gumball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:01   machine your pop little slot open and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:03   sometimes stuff comes out and i'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:04   not even sure if that constitutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:06   anything meaningful so part of that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:08   when you say things like it becomes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:09   tick but it starts out as from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:11   terrible place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:12   um I mean to me that's even different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:15   from you know what I mean yeah you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:16   what I mean or like you know Walter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:18   Sobchak am I wrong like this or does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:20   all mean kind of different things yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:21   was it was there was a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:23   adjustment when you and I got to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:25   friends when you would get to the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27   someone go right and i would hear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:30   means I'm done talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:31   well I was here like that you expected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:33   an affirmation and then later later on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:36   as time went on I realized that you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:38   seriously asking correct am I correct or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:41   sometimes yeah for sure you know do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:44   d-does what I've just said and does my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:46   perception square with your perception [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:47   but beyond that the beyond the beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:50   the Mars and Venus part it uh it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:53   something that I think most men I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:55   probably in America men of our age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2035">TS</a>]

00:33:59   how are really thinking about this maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:02   I'm projecting here but i was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:03   about it seriously for the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:06   because we've expected that everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:07   was going to listen to us and what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:08   had to say and if they didn't they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10   they were dumber black like that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:12   just couldn't get like how what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:15   saying should be received wisdom in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:18   ways and I don't know it's uh I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:20   finding it a very very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:23   challenge to get better at that and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:27   was despite back to that other personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:28   example those my nicely the worst like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   if I had a look at girlfriend who had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:32   bad day i was i was always ready to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:35   be the problem solver before she could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:37   even she would exhale start to speak a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:39   sentence and i would start coming up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:41   with ideas why don't you take a bath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:42   want to take a walk should get some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:44   oh that probably wasn't what you thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46   it was and i'm offering all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:47   to do what to a solve a problem but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:49   importantly be just make her feel better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:52   and everything is that's not my job like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:55   is I'm not there to make her feel better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:57   i'm here to shut the fuck up and let her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:58   describe what it is clear that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00   she's feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:01   although part of your job as being as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:04   being a you know in a relationship with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:05   somebody is to make them feel better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07   that's what's now just not always on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:10   terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:10   yeah i think the difference between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:11   making somebody making somebody feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:13   better about something versus just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:15   trying to make everything go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:18   this the way that you're comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:19   with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:20   I mean this is the primary the primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:23   problem in my mother's relationship with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:25   my sister which is that my mother is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:28   solver and my sister wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:31   to talk about our feelings and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:34   although they're you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:37   mother-daughter bond is is very strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:41   my sister comes in and starts to vent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:44   about her day and my mom says well why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:46   don't you why don't you talk to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:49   boss tomorrow and tell him that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:50   that's not acceptable and my sister goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:53   the problem you know and she then she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:56   starts to talk about heard a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58   more on my mom says well why don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2158">TS</a>]

00:35:59   just you know like it if you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:02   enrolled at the community center how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:04   many problems with that and uh it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:07   my mom's nature to do that because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:12   know it's very hard to because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:15   because the expression might my sister [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:18   the the way that my sister expresses her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:20   frustration about her day is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:23   discomforting right or discomforting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:27   yeah where you know where she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:30   expressing frustration by means of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:33   saying like it's just it'sit's in just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:35   that might be another my boss just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:37   doesn't see that it's not you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:39   I should be able to have a five-minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41   smoking break and you know my sister's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:43   mad and she's and she's venting and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:46   mom says well you know I mean did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:49   think to take your five-minute smoking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:51   break you know when you go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:52   bathroom where my mom's trying to miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:54   it and now at that point she's more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:55   an editor or or a coach where she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:58   trying to like help improve performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2218">TS</a>]

00:36:59   yeah a coach and and but part of that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:02   that that like but I think rationally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:05   i've been i've been watching this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:07   dynamic for 40 years but you know my mom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:10   feels like my sister's agitation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:15   something that she wants to help resolve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:18   sure that that's the biggest part in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:21   some ways right and that that resolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:23   that part of that resolution is that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:26   sister isn't seeing or it you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:29   that she could change her behavior and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:32   resolve this problem or that she could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:34   take a different tact and what and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:36   sister is once just to vent her emotions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:41   and then the the feeling will pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:44   and then she'll go back to doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:48   behavior that got her in trouble with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:50   her boss you know and and and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:53   partly my perception of it is that is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:56   is back to introvert extrovert polarity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2276">TS</a>]

00:38:02   where you know Susan wants to vent her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:07   emotions she does not want to solve her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:10   problems and my mom wants to solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:12   problems so that emotions do not ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:15   enter into it it's a completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:18   different paradigm the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:20   paradigm and yeah and-and-and watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:22   it over the years be characterized in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:24   the press as a as a Mars Venus issue but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:27   then watching it play out between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   two you know the two primary women in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:31   family I've had been forced to see it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:33   a as part of the either introvert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:36   extrovert a paradigm or the emotional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:41   rational you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:42   yeah right and and honestly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:45   sometimes I laugh and laugh and laugh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:47   because I hear my sister start to go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:50   something and I realized that it isn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:52   you know she just is she just needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:57   offload her feelings about something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2337">TS</a>]

00:39:01   I look over my mom like please stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:03   this just please stay out of it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:05   there are other times when listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:07   my sister vent like I also feel like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:12   yell about this every afternoon it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:13   same problem every time why don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:15   just stop taking your smoke break right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:17   under your bosses window is that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:19   crazy and and it's a big because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:24   ultimately like I don't want to hear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:26   same emotional vent everyday like it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:29   in emotional venting of that kind is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:32   actually stressful for her to even just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:36   to be a passive witness just to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:38   listener and that's the that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:40   relationship part of it where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:42   realize and then the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:44   emotional Venters maybe don't always see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:46   is that listening to them is requires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:51   energy also and listen even if the event [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:55   they're not in the room I mean just kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:56   of preparing for going like wow I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:58   today went ok yeah right i mean and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:02   and this is the this is the classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:03   problem that introverts have with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:05   experts which is that introverts are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:06   very very aware of what extrovert Sneed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:11   extrovert are typically not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:16   conscious that there is such a thing as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:18   an introvert let alone that an introvert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:21   has different needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:22   who and so you know my sister is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:25   conscious of the fact that that week you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:29   know that we somehow are bad listeners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:31   but not aware of how much it takes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:37   of us to listen to a litany of complaint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:42   where it seems like the solution is easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:44   and this you know this is a this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:46   it's and when I say us it's only that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:49   mom and I have a similar nature i got i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:52   got out of that game a long time ago in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:54   my own family and that's where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:56   pretending to read has been a fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2456">TS</a>]

00:41:00   strategy in Milan my whole adult life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:02   pretending pretending to read struggling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:05   to actually read while people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:06   fighting in the other room but so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:09   you know that a that communication style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:13   like right now we're in an era where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:16   listening and talking are very there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:19   know vario courant little different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:22   different ways of listening for being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:24   you know being sort of challenge to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:26   listen better but the but the awareness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:29   that listening is also a very active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:32   activity and if you are listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:37   actively it is it it is a strain it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:40   takes you know not not a not a not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:42   necessarily a painful strain but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:44   an exercise it does take vitamins it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:48   isn't it is if it isn't passive than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:50   that means it's if there's not an effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:52   the person's probably not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:53   listening right probably barely even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:54   hearing and that effort is also you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:57   that effort is also real and for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2517">TS</a>]

00:41:59   for a lot of introverts like that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:01   effort is that makes them need to go sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:05   in a dark room and with a wet towel over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:07   their head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:07   there's also an element of I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:12   always use this word wrong now sensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:13   about it but there's also an element of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:15   having to inertia inertia or momentum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:18   velocity torque there's an element of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:21   empathy and I think that I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:25   not sure that's exactly the right word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:26   but i think one way to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:28   empathy is that it's easy to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:31   empathetic it's easy to feel the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:33   feelings or understand the feelings of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:35   somebody who has the same feelings as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:36   you do it's very you know what i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:37   when somebody is it has been you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:40   if you have a god forbid you've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:44   sibling that died and talk to somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:45   who recently had a sibling that died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:47   you might be really a good person to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:49   talk to because you you probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:51   somebody who can understand what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:52   going through you know it is sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:54   get even more specific but no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:56   what it is it's not it's not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:58   difficult to have empathy for somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:00   that you think a has the same feelings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:02   as you and importantly be deserves to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   have those feelings and right i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06   where it gets challenging them where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08   get the real actual idea of empathy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:10   when you start trying to understand not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:14   just how somebody feels but why they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:16   how they appear to you whether they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:18   deserve that feeling or not that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:20   empathy trip with the and I must be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:23   at this but is what i'm working toward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:25   is to get better at going gosh it sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:27   is easy to chunk everybody into one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:30   these 11 boxes that I've got and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:32   sure makes life a lot easier i can then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:33   focus on like one or two of these boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:35   most the time and you know the rest is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:37   garbage people that the difficult part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:39   is that to become truly empathetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:40   person and I'm going somewhere with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:42   is really empathetic person you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:44   get good at understanding what's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:46   just on the surface whether that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:47   think that very good and deserving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:48   person to have those feelings whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   you think their grievances are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:52   appropriate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:55   whether you think their ideas about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:56   should change our realistic that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:59   know it's very it's very easy to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:02   shortcuts about those things to where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:03   you can just write all those people off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:05   but talked before about teachers need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:07   be a good teacher and to be maybe to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:10   a good arm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:11   it's a politician because that implies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:13   muscle tissue there to election year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:14   going to be a good public servant you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:17   have to have an element of empathy you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:19   have to be realistic about knowing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:20   can be accomplished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:21   but it seems to me you have to become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:22   very empathetic about listening and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:25   hearing from people where you may not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:27   even understand where they're coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:28   from you start trying to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:29   whether there are chemtrails person but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:31   doesn't make sense like the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:32   area does that make sense but to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:34   that's the empathy part is empathy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:36   not just feeling for people who you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:38   and agree with empathy is learning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:40   try and understand or at least hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:43   people that you may be absolutely don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45   agree with you at least hear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:47   mountain figure out like why they're how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:48   they are and then live with the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:49   that maybe you'll just never agree and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:51   maybe that doesn't make them the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:52   person in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:53   they're just really just fucking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:54   different well it's interesting because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:57   in Star Trek new generation is that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2697">TS</a>]

00:45:02   it's called is a newer next i've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:05   criticized for this criticized or have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:07   you just been a mention have you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:09   been listened to on people have heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:12   you say star trek new generation I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:14   putting this happens and you're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:17   house is being handed ok so in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:19   second generation of us on track in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:21   in the latest generation not the latest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:23   i'm sorry in the original next new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:26   generation so what we're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:27   is episode to episode negative 2 of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:33   new generation of Star Trek there this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:36   is the one professor x in the guy from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:37   the cruise Professor X Professor X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:41   Professor X that his name that I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:44   that wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:45   jean-luc Picard jean-luc general ordered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:49   jean-luc Picard you know there is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:53   empath character on the ship and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:57   was you know at the time when that show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2757">TS</a>]

00:46:00   came out it was like oh wow wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:03   isn't that a kind of it that's a cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:05   bit of writing to imagine the future him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:11   to imagine a science future which were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:13   all geeking on having not just a doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:17   and a science officer and a navigator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:20   and a chemist but also a feelings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:24   professional right when that when Star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:28   Trek new generation first came out it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:29   was the first time that we had ever seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   a feelings professional it on a science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:35   show and that was that was kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:40   little bit of a like a brain tickle is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:42   that Troy commander Troi around and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:49   but but but very clearly at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:53   in time it was and in the writing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2813">TS</a>]

00:46:56   that show there were you know there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2816">TS</a>]

00:47:00   scripts their storylines where someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:02   needed to go talk to Troy go talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:06   Commander Troi she was the she was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:08   one who had the the expertise and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:11   sometimes you know there would be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:12   alien that they an alien intelligence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:15   that they were encountering and at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:18   point they hadn't had any Troy scripts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:20   for a while and so they would they'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:22   figure out a way that Troy needed they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:25   needed her wisdom and insight to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:27   interact with this alien life form but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:29   for the most part it was still that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:32   were using science to explore the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:34   universe and more often than not the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:37   to encounter an alien life-form was to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:40   put the shields up and power up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:44   photon torpedoes right now we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:48   through a cultural phase where empathy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:51   for someone like you is being encouraged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:55   by you know the the multiplicity of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:59   voices in the in the world to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:02   really focus on empathy but there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:07   empaths in our world and then there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:11   people that will never you know that who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:14   are constitutionally really incapable of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:16   empathy and empathy is just another one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:20   of our talents like sports ball like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:24   being able to run or jump and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:26   people are really really good at it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:28   some people need to really train to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:32   activate it in themselves and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34   there are cultural dampers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:37   we put on it but then there are there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:39   a whole swath of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:42   twenty-five percent of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:43   probably just have no empathy and or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:49   or little empathy and so I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:54   that empathy is a thing that everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:55   can have and I think it's something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:57   it's great that where we talked about in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:58   are aware of but like there are also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:01   many well I've been on the Joe Cruz five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:04   times I know what it I know what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:06   like to be in a world where empathy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:09   the is the language currency but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:12   are a lot of people on the spectrum for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:15   whom empathy is a is a distance idea and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:20   I don't you know I don't know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:21   we're going to be in 20 years on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:23   but and I'm and I'm glad we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:26   about it but there's also like my mom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:28   has as much empathy is she can have and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:30   it isn't and it isn't enough for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:32   sister and never will be right and over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:37   the years I have said to my sister like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:39   you're the one that has this deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:41   capacity for empathy can you not show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:44   any for your mother who has no real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:47   capacity for it and that's where I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:51   the the greater struggle like my mom can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:54   say i don't know i don't know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:56   empathize with this it just seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:59   complaining to me but I know that about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:02   myself and I and I try to not talk i try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:09   to you know she's gone as far as to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:13   to bake her way out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:16   what if I made cookies you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:18   literally tried to try anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:21   Wow but the the empathetic one the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:24   with all the feelings my sister doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:26   has never been able to find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:28   reservoir of feeling on behalf of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:32   person with no empathy that's the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:35   of ironic part yeah and it and it and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:37   often it is in this conversation where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:40   it's like yeah well you know this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:42   has trouble sharing your feelings can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44   you can you feel that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:46   do you have feelings can you share those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:48   feelings so I don't know you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:51   uh I think that I'm definitely not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:56   science officer I'm much more really of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:59   an impact but not so much of a of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:03   empath that I'm not ready to power up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:05   some photon torpedoes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:06   no I understand it's part of the job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:07   right you know what I mean like a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:09   mission la a large steak explore new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:12   worlds yes seek out new civilizations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:14   yes who hit them with photon torpedoes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:18   Roddenberry's dream so I struggle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:24   yeah well as long as you talk about our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:26   feelings the you know this is that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:29   other thing that I again I i always feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:31   like I'm just saying something it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:33   obvious but it's something I want I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:35   find very almost impossible to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:38   in in my own life and so I find a triple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:41   impossible to try to be something that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:42   lightly gently try to impart on my kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:45   which is this really strange strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:49   message about how much you can actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:52   change about stuff at a given time in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3112">TS</a>]

00:51:55   the world and how much you can change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:56   about other people because that you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:59   said in part on my kid instead of in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:02   part to my kid and that as a as a dad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:04   that it's absolutely what it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:05   comprised of listen I'm going to impart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:07   this on you and high it myself but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:12   here's what here's what it comes down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:14   I mean here's an example we get up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:16   the i don't know i'm always talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:17   crossing the street except it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:18   something we do a lot and so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:19   something to think about a lot is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:20   something where I want her to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:21   actively engaged in the process of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:23   crossing the street and talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:25   this a lot and in other dances across [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:27   the street you don't go across the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:28   street without looking you don't go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:29   across the street like you like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:30   in war like you you you know it but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:33   such a it's such a delicate operation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:36   trying to explain to a little kid here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:37   what I don't want to there's millions i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:39   don't want to I don't make them careless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:40   on the one and the other end I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:42   want to make her scared and so I try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:44   impart something in between which which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:46   is that there's something very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:47   complicated going on here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:49   the basics are things like look left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:50   right and left but then keep looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:51   keep making onto my contact keep going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:54   across but then the thing that I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:57   say very gently is even if we do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:59   part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3179">TS</a>]

00:52:59   quickly things can still go wrong I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:02   we have no control over that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:04   understanding that has a strange and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:06   not about to explain this to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:07   seven-year-old cause I barely understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:08   it but there's a certain existential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:09   freedom and realizing that things always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:11   could go wrong even if you do your best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:13   but that doesn't mean you don't still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:15   try to do your best and so in in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:17   kind of an instance I guess I'm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:18   larger message I'm trying to impart on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:21   her is is that I and the thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:24   need to learn all the time is that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:26   because they're let's say I try to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:28   empathetic and I fail I see other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:31   feeling of being apathetic it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:32   mean we can't keep trying and like even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:34   if the system is broken we still have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:36   do what we think is right and we still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:38   have two and god willing in the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:39   atmosphere we should we continue to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:41   learn and get better and we don't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:42   you know dig in around something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:45   may be an old dead or bad idea but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:48   know but part of sanity in life is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:50   realizing that on you know let's get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:53   this part of thinking empathetically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:55   empathetic as well I mean justice you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:56   put them in a million different ways but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:58   I think about more than just your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3238">TS</a>]

00:53:59   dick in a given day right and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:01   getting to a point where you can go look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:02   I I want to really try to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:04   where other people are coming from and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:06   then except you know what i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:08   understand what that person is coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:09   from their kind of a dick and then go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:11   that's I just gotta move on it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:13   mean I'm going to treat them badly but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:14   it means that doesn't mean that the life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:16   ends because i can't settle this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:18   relationship that just means that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:19   just how life is because it all is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:22   question of how well my filter can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:24   me feel like I understand how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:25   fucking world works when I have never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:27   understand how the world works well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:30   have a pretty good sense of element [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:32   works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:33   yeah spins in one direction only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:36   mmm this is trying to move a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:38   toward your torture project because i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:41   curious how these kinds of the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:42   I'm bringing these up is first of all to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:44   show you that I struggled to be a person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:46   but also that like how does this affect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:47   you I mean how is your listening to her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:49   going it's going really well and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:53   know the that that the danger the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:57   danger of of thinking of progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3297">TS</a>]

00:55:02   is that if you're a historian or at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:05   interested in looking back at all in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:08   there is a feeling of progress over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:11   right that we're just were not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:13   confronting the same problems that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:16   were in 1651 not like the Middle Ages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:20   where we actually on the grand scale of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:22   things did move backward for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:24   right well and in some ways like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:27   learning moved backward but well yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:31   technology sure like moved where we lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:36   a lot of ground but we were also going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:39   through a phase a where we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:43   developing through monotheism a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:47   complex set of new ideas about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:52   would constitute a person and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:55   constituted are ethical basis right that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:58   the idea of the idea of justice that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:00   have today is a product of all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:04   religious churning that happened in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:08   Middle Ages which we think of as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:10   dark ages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:11   so although we lost astronomy for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:14   while and maybe lost the Roman concept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:17   of the aquaduct for a while and lost we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:20   lost a lot of intellectual ground as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:23   moved from a world where from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:26   polytheistic animist world to one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:30   was rooted in this idea that there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:32   one God and you could have a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:35   you could have a personal relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:37   with them and not just that you're out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:39   in the woods burning sheep bones to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:42   appeal to who the god of of of scabies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:47   to relieve your suffering but that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:50   you know that your whole life and all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:52   life is like rooted in this central [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:54   authority that's where the I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:58   that's where we're all of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3418">TS</a>]

00:57:00   contemporary ideas of of the rights of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:05   man come from and so it wasn't just a it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:09   wasn't that a lot was lost we were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:12   building a new thing for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:13   and-and-and so here we are and we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:17   we've made tremendous progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:20   there's lots and lots of progress yet to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:22   make its all thought technology and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:28   we're in a were in a a mode right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:31   that's very active the generation that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:33   followed hours and the generation that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:35   followed them is just bigger than we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:37   and louder than we are and maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:40   biggest loudest generation ever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:43   they're gonna set the tone a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:45   than we did or are capable of and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:50   there's you know they're the the spigot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:53   is wider so not everybody is coming from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:56   the same place and that's a very that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:59   a that that's the maybe one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:01   hardest things to grapple with because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:03   there is as you try to resolve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:05   disagreement and you realize that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:09   no one even accepts even one basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:13   premise that the person they're arguing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:15   with accepts and that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:17   unprecedented I mean there is at even 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:21   years ago the basic premises were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:25   commonly held for the most part or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:28   you if you were an outsider to those who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:30   didn't hold those you at least knew what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:31   they were and you and you looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:35   yourself in in opposition to those those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:38   common ideas but there are a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:40   people now who just don't even know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:45   first thing about what the other person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:47   where the other person is coming from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:49   not even the first thing and they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:51   especially interested huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:54   you know I when you think about I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:56   know if you there was a really cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:58   article in the new york times about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:00   Obama's visit to this little South [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:03   Dakota town to give the commencement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3543">TS</a>]

00:59:05   speech at their little technical college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:09   and I think a big part of the reason he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:12   went there was that he had he'd been to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:14   49 of the 50 states and kind of letter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3554">TS</a>]

00:59:16   the letter from that little girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:18   yeah right exactly yeah and so he came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:21   to South Dakota to give the commencement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:23   speech at this little college but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:24   article was written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:26   this reporter just went to the town and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:28   talk to a bunch of locals before Obama [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:31   arrived and South Dakota was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:36   overwhelmingly a republican state no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:39   in this little town voted for obama and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:42   in the advance of him arriving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3582">TS</a>]

00:59:45   reporter talk to all these people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:46   like he wants to make it a Muslim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3586">TS</a>]

00:59:48   country and and he doesn't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:50   it's a just all that usual stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:54   then Obama came and hundreds of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:57   in the town turned out went down to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:59   airport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59   airport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00   or to watch the plane land as he drove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   through the town the reporter was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:05   know followed this group of people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:07   had been talking to already here she I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:09   don't know actually what I didn't look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:13   at the name of the reporter but followed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:15   the followed their responses and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:18   were all thrilled that Obama wave to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:21   them that they saw the President and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:25   then they watched his speech on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:26   television and they were moved to tears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:28   that he was talking about their town and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:31   you know and then he was only he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:35   only on the ground for a couple of hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:36   drove his car back to the airport again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:39   you know people crowding the streets to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:41   see him off he flies and at least the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:44   you know through the narrow lens of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:47   reporters experienced a lot of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:50   people were their opinion about obama [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:53   was transformed by just that tiny little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:57   bit of physical contact where they went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3657">TS</a>]

01:01:00   from thinking he was the Antichrist to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:05   admiring him and thinking that he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:07   given a good speech and like were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:10   surprised and astonished and and touched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:14   and moved by the whole experience and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:17   course that's true right i mean i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:19   vociferously against Reagan but if I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:25   ever seen Reagan let alone seat been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3685">TS</a>]

01:01:29   close to Reagan i'm sure i would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:30   swooned over and that that sense of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:39   how much we share and how little actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:42   differences we have you only get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3702">TS</a>]

01:01:46   experience by being around other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:49   by you know by traveling thing we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:51   about this all the time these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:52   disagreements on the Internet where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:53   people are just screaming at each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:55   and if they were in the same room they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:56   would be you know fast friends are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:58   and anyone who has ever traveled through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:02   Alabama knows that they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:04   friendliest people in the world and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:06   terrible racists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:09   but-but-but wonderful people in so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:12   other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:13   now as a you know not apology but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:17   as normal human experience and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:20   what we don't share anymore and so being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:26   out on the campaign trail and talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:28   everybody like I am the focus of a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:32   of energy directed at me I'm the hub of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:36   that wheel and I'm meeting people from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:38   lot of different spheres and all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:41   wishes that they could all meet each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:42   other for you know like uh huh i'm i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:46   seeing this incredible diversity of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:49   thinking I'm meeting a lot of 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:51   year-olds like the like the girl in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:54   louie ck store who at 25 years old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:59   already has all the wisdom in it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:01   that she thinks she's ever gonna need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:03   and what you know and I whatever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:06   episode is trying to convey what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3786">TS</a>]

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01:03:10   store closed because she's rude to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:12   customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3792">TS</a>]

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01:03:27   years before you you think you can start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29   a store and be rude to people and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3809">TS</a>]

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01:03:36   then your store closes because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:37   rude and a bad a customer service person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:40   and then you learn like so many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:43   have before you that customer service is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3823">TS</a>]

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01:03:49   lot of very active 25 year-olds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3829">TS</a>]

01:03:51   politically active 25 year-olds who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:53   think they already know everything there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:56   is to know about a city about government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3836">TS</a>]

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01:04:03   feel like you know everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3843">TS</a>]

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01:04:07   are very smart at that age and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:10   smarter than 40 rolls because you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:12   have all your brain cells but what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:14   you know but what you don't know is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:17   the stuff you don't know and so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:21   talking to people all the time who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:22   just like well the solution is simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:23   but a bit of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:25   and I and you go well that is a simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:29   solution until you start to become aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:32   that every solution causes 42 other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:36   problems you didn't anticipate and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3876">TS</a>]

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01:04:52   I'm talking about there who do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:54   understand that they did not invent the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3894">TS</a>]

01:04:58   civil rights movement and I'm like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3898">TS</a>]

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01:05:06   been different the challenges have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3906">TS</a>]

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01:05:13   this work for a long time and so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:18   indignation you feel that we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3918">TS</a>]

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01:05:25   years to where we were then and imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3925">TS</a>]

01:05:28   how indignant you would feel like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3928">TS</a>]

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01:05:39   a little context these ideas just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:42   because just because Twitter is new and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3942">TS</a>]

01:05:46   snapchat is new does not mean that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3946">TS</a>]

01:05:49   ideas that are being expressed there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:50   equally new and unprecedented and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3950">TS</a>]

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01:05:57   the excitement of the campaign is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3957">TS</a>]

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01:06:04   volunteer squad it was just people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3964">TS</a>]

01:06:08   had offered to volunteer for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:09   campaign and 25 people showed up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3969">TS</a>]

01:06:12   mother's day and they were all ages from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3972">TS</a>]

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01:06:26   cross-section of people in seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3986">TS</a>]

01:06:29   people who had only lived here for six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:30   months people who live their entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:31   lives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:33   people with the Masters in Social Work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3993">TS</a>]

01:06:36   people that worked political campaigns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:38   people that were just artists and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:40   don't mean just artists to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:43   being an artist is lesser but just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4003">TS</a>]

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01:06:47   from the arts place and engaging in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:50   campaign out of a like pretty confused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4010">TS</a>]

01:06:53   about what is even happening here a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:56   politically and it was incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4016">TS</a>]

01:06:59   inspiring just have all these people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4019">TS</a>]

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01:07:05   beauty of people from activists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4025">TS</a>]

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01:07:15   for hours and just talk about what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:18   know like just start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4038">TS</a>]

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01:07:28   that's what i'm getting every day is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4048">TS</a>]

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01:07:37   you know sort of directed at me either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:38   people trying to train me over people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4058">TS</a>]

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01:07:49   will recognize their issue and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4069">TS</a>]

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01:08:08   move anymore right but i sat in a I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:12   sat in a meeting where 20 people got up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:15   and spoke about the fact that the metro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4095">TS</a>]

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01:08:35   mad about anything but in actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:39   listening to 20 different people testify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:42   that they were trying to survive on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4122">TS</a>]

01:08:46   750 dollars a month and that they needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4126">TS</a>]

01:08:51   to take the bus that you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4131">TS</a>]

01:08:55   needed to take five buses every day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4135">TS</a>]

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01:09:26   has like a really bad scene but when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:31   hear 20 people tell a story like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4171">TS</a>]

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01:09:36   these people who took another two buses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4176">TS</a>]

01:09:40   to come to this meeting to talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4180">TS</a>]

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01:09:52   know at a level where 50 cent bus fare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:56   change or 25-cent bus fare change is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4196">TS</a>]

01:10:00   significant change in their in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4200">TS</a>]

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01:10:58   what that what's going to happen in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4258">TS</a>]

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01:11:16   aware of Jeff bezos's Blue Origin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4276">TS</a>]

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01:11:24   of a like SpaceX and like Elon Musk Jeff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4284">TS</a>]

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01:11:36   idea a lot of people don't know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:39   he keeps it kind of is not real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:42   publicity-hungry about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:44   he's not a showboater like Elon Musk but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4304">TS</a>]

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01:12:17   from Russia not a rocket but that not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:19   used rocket but a brand new rocket that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:23   they have designed from the ground up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:25   and constructed and launched I can i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:28   feel kind of dumb that i didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:29   this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:29   I don't you shouldn't feel dumb because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:31   they're very quiet about it it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:32   rocket that let me let me just put it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:34   let me like put it in a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:36   contract it's a rocket that one the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:39   the the bottom stage is done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4359">TS</a>]

01:12:42   launching the capsule it actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:44   parachutes back and lands with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:48   retrorocket firing like lands on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4368">TS</a>]

01:12:51   ground who doesn't it doesn't fall into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4371">TS</a>]

01:12:53   the ocean it's like it returns to Earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4373">TS</a>]

01:12:55   the rocket and the capsule has like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4375">TS</a>]

01:12:59   a beautiful it's beautiful thing six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:01   people can ride on a you know in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:04   plan is in the very near future to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4384">TS</a>]

01:13:07   allowing people to buy seats on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4387">TS</a>]

01:13:09   rocket to go up and do a like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:12   near-earth orbit weightless space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4392">TS</a>]

01:13:17   experience so here's this guy he owns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:21   this company he's he is he's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:24   wealthy he lives in Seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:26   he's hiring a lot of people and he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:31   also building a space program that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4411">TS</a>]

01:13:35   also here in in the Seattle area and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4415">TS</a>]

01:13:40   you know I'm a big supporter of space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:43   exploration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4423">TS</a>]

01:13:44   I think that's super great and the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4424">TS</a>]

01:13:49   canard that you that we shouldn't pour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:53   money into NASA because all that money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:55   could go to build low-income housing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:57   I've always felt like was a was a was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4437">TS</a>]

01:14:00   bad argument or like I understood i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:02   understand it from a liberal point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:04   view that it seems like there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4444">TS</a>]

01:14:07   limited number of dollars and why would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4447">TS</a>]

01:14:09   you spend it going to space when people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:11   were poor but space exploration is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4451">TS</a>]

01:14:15   this at the soul of what I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:17   should be doing and we should also find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4457">TS</a>]

01:14:20   the money to feed and house people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:24   what and where that money should come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4464">TS</a>]

01:14:25   from is not space exploration but all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:27   the people that have gold bathtubs right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4467">TS</a>]

01:14:30   for some find a way somehow to tap into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4470">TS</a>]

01:14:33   the the money and the energy that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4473">TS</a>]

01:14:35   going to build gold bathtubs for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:38   and channel that money over but now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4478">TS</a>]

01:14:43   I'm spending a lot of time listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:45   people that need an extra twenty-five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4485">TS</a>]

01:14:47   cents a date just to ride the bus like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:51   the context of all this stuff and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:54   whole conversation is just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4494">TS</a>]

01:14:56   personally changed for me and I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:59   want Jeff Bezos to explore space i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:03   also want to you know to rope everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4503">TS</a>]

01:15:08   in all the visionaries to to regather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4508">TS</a>]

01:15:13   them into the conversation around around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4513">TS</a>]

01:15:18   my town in particular right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4518">TS</a>]

01:15:20   and try to figure out like we have we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4520">TS</a>]

01:15:25   have this energy and this exploratory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4525">TS</a>]

01:15:26   energy is great but I also want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4526">TS</a>]

01:15:30   that it's it's an equal it's equally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4530">TS</a>]

01:15:35   exciting to explore the idea of no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:40   going hungry and it doesn't seem as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4540">TS</a>]

01:15:45   exciting it's not as glamorous you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4545">TS</a>]

01:15:47   get a space suit for it but it is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4547">TS</a>]

01:15:51   like a part of this feeling of progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4551">TS</a>]

01:15:55   her right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4555">TS</a>]

01:15:56   the part of the feeling of like we keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4556">TS</a>]

01:15:58   moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4558">TS</a>]

01:16:00   I'm doing better and none of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:02   things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:03   it's not resolved that there will always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4563">TS</a>]

01:16:06   be people starving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4566">TS</a>]

01:16:09   why I want to sound cynical but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4569">TS</a>]

01:16:12   sounds like a guy i have no idea how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4572">TS</a>]

01:16:14   somebody like that think somebody that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:16   kind of dough which course nobody ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4576">TS</a>]

01:16:18   feel like they have as much money as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4578">TS</a>]

01:16:19   everybody thinks they do but in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4579">TS</a>]

01:16:21   case I mean I'll be rounding error like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4581">TS</a>]

01:16:23   even if they given that look like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:25   hundred thousand dollars right looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4585">TS</a>]

01:16:27   like like me you know maybe a day's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4587">TS</a>]

01:16:29   worth of their time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4589">TS</a>]

01:16:30   justjust on appearances like the optics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4590">TS</a>]

01:16:33   of it alone it seems like why would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4593">TS</a>]

01:16:35   not do that and that though that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4595">TS</a>]

01:16:36   that is the thing you know when when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:41   when you're talking to 25 year-olds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:43   they're like well why doesn't just basis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4603">TS</a>]

01:16:44   just pay the extra quarter for everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:47   it's like yes but the number of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4607">TS</a>]

01:16:52   things that the the bus fare the housing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4612">TS</a>]

01:16:58   problem the mental health problem right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4618">TS</a>]

01:17:02   like what we what we really need every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:05   person i talk to us like what we really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:06   need and you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:09   we really do need a better mental health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4629">TS</a>]

01:17:12   system where there are you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4632">TS</a>]

01:17:15   closed the asylums and put all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:18   people that used to be housed in asylums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:22   back on the streets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:23   yep and really what we should probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:27   do is build some asylums again or go get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:31   those ones that we decommissioned before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:33   they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4653">TS</a>]

01:17:34   fall into the ground and paint them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4654">TS</a>]

01:17:37   and get them working again and now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4657">TS</a>]

01:17:39   think about them differently we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:42   just one flew over the cuckoo's nest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4662">TS</a>]

01:17:44   them but there are some people that need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:47   a place to be and that and they're never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4667">TS</a>]

01:17:50   going to be reintegrated into society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4670">TS</a>]

01:17:52   sites besides nowhere or jail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4672">TS</a>]

01:17:54   besides nowhere or jail right besides a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4674">TS</a>]

01:17:56   doorway or jail and it needs to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4676">TS</a>]

01:17:59   thing that society funds and it needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4679">TS</a>]

01:18:01   be a comfortable safe place and some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:03   those people are going to be violence or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:05   angry or you know and they're in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4685">TS</a>]

01:18:08   need to be trained people there like at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4688">TS</a>]

01:18:11   every step of the way we need is we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4691">TS</a>]

01:18:15   so much right these facilities you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:19   about all the single mothers who are who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:22   end up homeless and they end up homeless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4702">TS</a>]

01:18:24   because it's fucking hard to stay on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4704">TS</a>]

01:18:28   of the game and you've got two kids and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4708">TS</a>]

01:18:29   all of a sudden you're living in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4709">TS</a>]

01:18:30   car and you don't even think of yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4710">TS</a>]

01:18:32   as homeless you're just in between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:33   places you're living in your car and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4713">TS</a>]

01:18:35   kids have got to get to school and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4715">TS</a>]

01:18:37   you've got to get to work and you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4717">TS</a>]

01:18:38   your car and and that mother isn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:43   letting on to her kids that she's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4723">TS</a>]

01:18:44   trouble she's just like hey we're having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:46   fun we're living in our car for a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4726">TS</a>]

01:18:47   while mama figures out the next move and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:52   what we could do to help her or to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4732">TS</a>]

01:18:55   sure that that you know that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4735">TS</a>]

01:18:59   that for a couple weeks she's doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4739">TS</a>]

01:19:02   and then she reached then something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:04   bad happens the car breaks down right or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4744">TS</a>]

01:19:07   you know and then she really needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4747">TS</a>]

01:19:10   there's no wiggle room right then she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4750">TS</a>]

01:19:12   really needs help and when she really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4752">TS</a>]

01:19:14   needs help at that point when she's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4754">TS</a>]

01:19:16   oh fuck i'm up against the wall she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:19   rolls into someplace and they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:21   sit down and fill out this form now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4761">TS</a>]

01:19:23   you're on a waiting list six months from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4763">TS</a>]

01:19:26   now will call you know and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4766">TS</a>]

01:19:28   like no there's we don't have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4768">TS</a>]

01:19:31   wiggle room for so many people and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4771">TS</a>]

01:19:38   yet we have obscene amounts of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4778">TS</a>]

01:19:41   right rich kids on instagram is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4781">TS</a>]

01:19:44   happening simultaneous to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4784">TS</a>]

01:19:46   and that that doesn't flame people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4786">TS</a>]

01:19:51   it and and the and the people that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:52   tell us that it's unrelated are wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4792">TS</a>]

01:19:55   and there's you know they're there it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4795">TS</a>]

01:20:00   related but what is it what is in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:03   power to do and I think that the era of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:10   you know the area of armed revolution is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4810">TS</a>]

01:20:15   in our past the era of really of using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:18   law as a as a cudgel is maybe in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:25   past just because those rich kids on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4825">TS</a>]

01:20:28   Instagram have the best lawyers you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:30   get I think we're entering in and into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4830">TS</a>]

01:20:33   an era where we have to wear empathy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:37   actually is the agent and where we say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:41   hey this is part of this is part of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4841">TS</a>]

01:20:46   wealth and success it's an it's and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:48   is ultimately an auntie Tea Party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:53   argument or an auntie and Rand argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4853">TS</a>]

01:20:56   which is fine random sorry man I'm rond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4856">TS</a>]

01:21:01   which is that we are all in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:05   together your wealth did not come to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:07   sure a purely by your own ingenuity but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:11   because we have provided this incubator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4871">TS</a>]

01:21:16   which is our whole culture and now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4876">TS</a>]

01:21:20   know like you say wouldn't it be cool if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4880">TS</a>]

01:21:23   in addition to to building a private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:26   space station or in addition to building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4886">TS</a>]

01:21:29   a really cool electric cars we also were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:35   able to bolster the the the part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4895">TS</a>]

01:21:40   of the couch where the stuffing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:42   coming out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4902">TS</a>]

01:21:44   and you know do you start making that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:47   argument on said council or do you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4907">TS</a>]

01:21:50   making that argument on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4910">TS</a>]

01:21:51   award-winning podcast like at what point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4911">TS</a>]

01:21:55   do we get enough people together into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4915">TS</a>]

01:21:58   this new way of thinking that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4918">TS</a>]

01:21:59   less shouty and finger-pointing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4919">TS</a>]

01:22:03   that's more just like a bunch of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4923">TS</a>]

01:22:05   standing there with compassionate looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4925">TS</a>]

01:22:08   on their faces saying hey we we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4928">TS</a>]

01:22:11   begrudge you your success but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:17   chip in and that that doesn't mean go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4937">TS</a>]

01:22:19   work for houses for Humanity it means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:21   like chip in right here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4941">TS</a>]

01:22:23   well this is that the the quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4943">TS</a>]

01:22:24   interesting question to me is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4944">TS</a>]

01:22:28   you're describing it sounds really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4948">TS</a>]

01:22:29   sensible it sounds like on the face of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:31   it that there should be something it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:33   let's put it this way it's not one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4953">TS</a>]

01:22:34   those things that is a basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4954">TS</a>]

01:22:36   impossible problem to solve it there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4956">TS</a>]

01:22:39   obviously something that can be done by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:41   somebody over some amount of time let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4961">TS</a>]

01:22:43   just take that is red so the question is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4963">TS</a>]

01:22:45   how in your approach or your strategy or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:49   however you want to phrase it how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4969">TS</a>]

01:22:50   differ from the other candidates and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4970">TS</a>]

01:22:53   what you would choose to do differently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4973">TS</a>]

01:22:54   in order to make something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4974">TS</a>]

01:22:56   happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4976">TS</a>]

01:22:58   the exact question that gets asked every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4978">TS</a>]

01:23:02   day I'm sorry and no it's good it's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:04   it's it returned to be more empathetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4984">TS</a>]

01:23:05   it's the good it is a good question and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4985">TS</a>]

01:23:08   you know ultimately the the first thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4988">TS</a>]

01:23:11   I can say is no other candidate is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4991">TS</a>]

01:23:14   talking about this stuff that all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:15   way right because the because the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4995">TS</a>]

01:23:18   conception is that all we have at our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/4998">TS</a>]

01:23:21   disposal is either that we can sue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:24   someone or pass a law that that requires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5004">TS</a>]

01:23:31   that they you know that they and usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:35   requires that they submit to attacks i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5015">TS</a>]

01:23:38   mean that tax is our is our only model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5018">TS</a>]

01:23:42   tablet you can also I mean I done it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:46   seems like a strange part part of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5026">TS</a>]

01:23:49   you do when you bring somebody and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5029">TS</a>]

01:23:50   think this is a little bit random but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:51   i'm thinking for example of like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5031">TS</a>]

01:23:53   you bring people into like a foundation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5033">TS</a>]

01:23:54   board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5034">TS</a>]

01:23:55   you might bring somebody into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5035">TS</a>]

01:23:56   foundation board because they're rich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5036">TS</a>]

01:23:58   person and they'll theoretically give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5038">TS</a>]

01:24:00   you a bunch of money but it could also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5040">TS</a>]

01:24:01   be more importantly that they're good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:03   getting money from other people that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5043">TS</a>]

01:24:05   know through mostly connections that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:07   the wrong word but it seems like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5047">TS</a>]

01:24:10   know you can also be kind of a statesman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5050">TS</a>]

01:24:12   who is good at making that case the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5052">TS</a>]

01:24:14   people with a goal of course i'd love to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5054">TS</a>]

01:24:15   help with that and I'll get my buddies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:16   to help with that right and Bill Clinton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5056">TS</a>]

01:24:19   is great at this bill gates is good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5059">TS</a>]

01:24:21   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5061">TS</a>]

01:24:22   um but it is you know it's so often that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5062">TS</a>]

01:24:27   the the the what we perceive to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:30   problem is i mean Bill Gates is has done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5070">TS</a>]

01:24:33   incredible work providing clean water to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5073">TS</a>]

01:24:36   people around the world he's saving tens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5076">TS</a>]

01:24:39   hundreds of thousands of lives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5079">TS</a>]

01:24:41   it's very much less glamorous to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:47   build a facility in seattle for homeless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5087">TS</a>]

01:24:52   mothers who have reached the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5092">TS</a>]

01:24:54   their rope there's no glamour in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5094">TS</a>]

01:24:57   except except in the in that sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5097">TS</a>]

01:25:04   big small picture which is what if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5104">TS</a>]

01:25:07   built a city that had all of that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:11   that took care of everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5111">TS</a>]

01:25:12   it's also probably have an adventure i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5112">TS</a>]

01:25:16   guess it's a difference in approach or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5116">TS</a>]

01:25:17   outlook or composure I guess if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:23   think about think about the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5123">TS</a>]

01:25:24   if you wanna talk about entrepreneurs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5124">TS</a>]

01:25:26   particular people who made a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5126">TS</a>]

01:25:28   money you know through grit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5128">TS</a>]

01:25:30   determination and maybe dirty dealings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5130">TS</a>]

01:25:32   whatever but the point is I you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5132">TS</a>]

01:25:34   the same way that there are certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5134">TS</a>]

01:25:35   kinds of investors that are only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5135">TS</a>]

01:25:37   interested in angel funding there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5137">TS</a>]

01:25:38   certain kinds you know I i would imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5138">TS</a>]

01:25:41   that for most biting philanthropist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5141">TS</a>]

01:25:44   there they're not as interested in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5144">TS</a>]

01:25:48   net at the bottom of not this is good or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:50   bad that they're not interested in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:51   in a system of nets at the bottom of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5151">TS</a>]

01:25:54   building as they are in potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5154">TS</a>]

01:25:56   showing up that top floors of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5156">TS</a>]

01:25:58   can't jump or even more deeply trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5158">TS</a>]

01:26:00   fundamentally change why somebody would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5160">TS</a>]

01:26:01   want to jump off that building and so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5161">TS</a>]

01:26:03   that case I i wonder if it's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5163">TS</a>]

01:26:05   where they talk about that not being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5165">TS</a>]

01:26:06   very glamorous it certainly isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:08   can the NIMBY stuff and all that I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5168">TS</a>]

01:26:10   to be more interested in some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5170">TS</a>]

01:26:14   programs that try to get get at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5174">TS</a>]

01:26:17   problem maybe not as early as John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:19   education maybe not as late as a shelter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5179">TS</a>]

01:26:21   but somewhere in between so kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5181">TS</a>]

01:26:23   intervention type thing you don't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5183">TS</a>]

01:26:25   is it but I bet they'd be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5185">TS</a>]

01:26:26   interested in getting the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:28   earlier on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:29   well but that is exactly the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5189">TS</a>]

01:26:31   we've been thinking about it for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5191">TS</a>]

01:26:33   know the second half of the 20th century [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5193">TS</a>]

01:26:35   and then just becomes a series of costly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:36   experiments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5196">TS</a>]

01:26:37   well and just a kind of whack Amole like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5197">TS</a>]

01:26:39   yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5199">TS</a>]

01:26:41   education is key and his is proved but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5201">TS</a>]

01:26:44   you know but who is proved too to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:48   kids out of jail right later on in life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5208">TS</a>]

01:26:51   but there's a whole lot of you who wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5211">TS</a>]

01:26:55   to fund quality education in seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5215">TS</a>]

01:26:57   schools there any billionaire want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5217">TS</a>]

01:26:59   step up and do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:01   hello hello zepp right are you still on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5221">TS</a>]

01:27:04   the line like the only way we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5224">TS</a>]

01:27:07   fund Seattle schools is through attacks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5227">TS</a>]

01:27:09   and the only way that we are allowed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5229">TS</a>]

01:27:11   apply that tax is to the you know to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:15   everybody and we can do it through car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5235">TS</a>]

01:27:17   tabs or we can do it through property [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5237">TS</a>]

01:27:19   tax or we can do it you know whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:21   there are only so many ways to to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5241">TS</a>]

01:27:24   fund it and the rich people have really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5244">TS</a>]

01:27:27   good excellent ways of avoiding paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:30   their tax and so it falls to the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5250">TS</a>]

01:27:34   class over and over and over and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5254">TS</a>]

01:27:36   would be wonderful if someone stepped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5256">TS</a>]

01:27:38   forward and said I'll fun the Seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5258">TS</a>]

01:27:40   schools with the rounding error on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5260">TS</a>]

01:27:42   you know on you I ego project over here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5262">TS</a>]

01:27:45   and then there would be people that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5265">TS</a>]

01:27:47   like but but what about the homeless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5267">TS</a>]

01:27:49   mothers and you know there's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5269">TS</a>]

01:27:52   principle is that if we I mean we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:56   want we all want 40 years from now to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5276">TS</a>]

01:27:59   have our city look and be a certain kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:05   of pleasant prosperous place huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5285">TS</a>]

01:28:08   I can't imagine anybody with nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5288">TS</a>]

01:28:09   would just reject that on the face it no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5289">TS</a>]

01:28:12   one would reject it on the face of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5292">TS</a>]

01:28:13   and everybody's got a different idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5293">TS</a>]

01:28:14   about how to get there and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5294">TS</a>]

01:28:17   people are like we just need to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5297">TS</a>]

01:28:19   taller buildings with bigger fences to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5299">TS</a>]

01:28:20   keep people from jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5300">TS</a>]

01:28:21   off and then there are people that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5301">TS</a>]

01:28:23   like well the people that are falling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5303">TS</a>]

01:28:24   off that building aren't jumping they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5304">TS</a>]

01:28:27   getting pushed i'm sorry there's a poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5307">TS</a>]

01:28:28   analogy but you know what i mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5308">TS</a>]

01:28:29   your daughter who's living or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:31   and there are a lot of technologists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5311">TS</a>]

01:28:33   that do believe that the technology is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5313">TS</a>]

01:28:35   just eventually going to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5315">TS</a>]

01:28:36   impossible to be poor but when you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5316">TS</a>]

01:28:39   at the way that that actually works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5319">TS</a>]

01:28:41   there just the they're assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:43   trickle-down economics they're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5323">TS</a>]

01:28:45   george herbert walker bushes philosophy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5325">TS</a>]

01:28:48   that a rising tide lifts all boats and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5328">TS</a>]

01:28:51   it just is demonstrable eon true right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5331">TS</a>]

01:28:54   over the rich are getting richer but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5334">TS</a>]

01:28:59   do believe that we can say here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5339">TS</a>]

01:29:01   city we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5341">TS</a>]

01:29:02   here's the city that we want and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5342">TS</a>]

01:29:05   what it should look like and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5345">TS</a>]

01:29:07   everybody kind of onboard for the for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5347">TS</a>]

01:29:11   some basic principles 40 years from now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:16   there shouldn't be a homeless person in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5356">TS</a>]

01:29:18   Seattle that has no other options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5358">TS</a>]

01:29:22   there's always gonna be somebody who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5362">TS</a>]

01:29:24   like fuck you i'm going to live in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5364">TS</a>]

01:29:25   garbage can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5365">TS</a>]

01:29:26   but most people don't want to and a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5366">TS</a>]

01:29:31   of the people that are living it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5371">TS</a>]

01:29:33   are like fuck you I'm want to live in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5373">TS</a>]

01:29:34   garbage can that it comes that night in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5374">TS</a>]

01:29:36   November where they're like god dammit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5376">TS</a>]

01:29:39   this was a bad idea right and in and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5379">TS</a>]

01:29:44   and where such a punitive society and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5384">TS</a>]

01:29:48   end up in a moralistic one about about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5388">TS</a>]

01:29:52   homelessness and drugs and mental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5392">TS</a>]

01:29:53   illness we spend so much time saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:56   well that single mother with her two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5396">TS</a>]

01:29:59   kids should have smoked less pot in high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5399">TS</a>]

01:30:01   school and done a little bit better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:02   gone to tech school you know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5402">TS</a>]

01:30:05   that there's that instinct we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5405">TS</a>]

01:30:07   oh we have in a as Americans to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:09   it's probably hurtful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5409">TS</a>]

01:30:11   yeah and that judgmentalism keeps us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5411">TS</a>]

01:30:16   from being able to have a at a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5416">TS</a>]

01:30:20   compassionate system because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:23   always somebody that's going to say i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5423">TS</a>]

01:30:25   don't want my tax dollars to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:27   mollycoddle these these whores and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5427">TS</a>]

01:30:33   just like well you know what that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5433">TS</a>]

01:30:35   really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:35   not how it is and and we and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:39   most of us here in Seattle recognize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5439">TS</a>]

01:30:41   that and that's what you need is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5441">TS</a>]

01:30:44   the most of us but to get to get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5444">TS</a>]

01:30:47   vision of the city and then start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5447">TS</a>]

01:30:48   reverse engineering practices rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:51   than trying to build that city by each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5451">TS</a>]

01:30:55   person saying well here's what we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5455">TS</a>]

01:30:56   here is what we need is we need to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5456">TS</a>]

01:31:00   get the picture first and then say what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5460">TS</a>]

01:31:04   does that look like you know that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5464">TS</a>]

01:31:05   that's the 40 year plan now what did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5465">TS</a>]

01:31:07   that look like at 30 years what did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:09   look like it 20 years how would we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5469">TS</a>]

01:31:11   there and and build backwards from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:16   from the goal and yeah and i think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5476">TS</a>]

01:31:20   will surprise us as we get like what did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5480">TS</a>]

01:31:22   that look like a 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5482">TS</a>]

01:31:23   oh shit right that's what it looked like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5483">TS</a>]

01:31:26   it 10 years and so to get to their we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5486">TS</a>]

01:31:30   have to reevaluate what we're doing now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5490">TS</a>]

01:31:32   we can't just keep you know keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5492">TS</a>]

01:31:36   flopping around like a bunch of a like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5496">TS</a>]

01:31:39   bunch of koi whose pond drained we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5499">TS</a>]

01:31:45   a we need to like get off get off of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5505">TS</a>]

01:31:48   this get out of this rut and start doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5508">TS</a>]

01:31:51   some some weird and wonderful stuff now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5511">TS</a>]

01:31:54   that will put us there in 10 years which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5514">TS</a>]

01:31:57   isn't a solution but it is it's on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5517">TS</a>]

01:32:01   path to where we want to be in 20 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5521">TS</a>]

01:32:03   ever so that's the story that i'm trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5523">TS</a>]

01:32:07   to you know bring to the to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5527">TS</a>]

01:32:10   election and and that's what I'm trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5530">TS</a>]

01:32:11   to say about Seattle that we've tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5531">TS</a>]

01:32:15   all the we tried all this incremental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5535">TS</a>]

01:32:19   like well what we need is you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5539">TS</a>]

01:32:22   need to hire one more social worker to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:25   help fill out the forms at the office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5545">TS</a>]

01:32:28   where you get in line for the for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5548">TS</a>]

01:32:31   emergency housing it's like well we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5551">TS</a>]

01:32:34   more than that right we need to build we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5554">TS</a>]

01:32:37   need to build and we need to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5557">TS</a>]

01:32:40   across a wide spectrum we need to fund [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5560">TS</a>]

01:32:43   the schools as though we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5563">TS</a>]

01:32:45   have to keep funding schools and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5565">TS</a>]

01:32:46   like the way we fund Seattle schools is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5566">TS</a>]

01:32:48   we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5568">TS</a>]

01:32:49   pass a bond for two years as though two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5569">TS</a>]

01:32:52   years from now maybe there we won't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5572">TS</a>]

01:32:54   to pay for schools anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5574">TS</a>]

01:32:56   fine an example if I understand what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5576">TS</a>]

01:32:59   you're saying it's like well well how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5579">TS</a>]

01:33:00   did they end up with that is the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5580">TS</a>]

01:33:02   solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5582">TS</a>]

01:33:03   yes exactly i mean harvard univ Harvard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5583">TS</a>]

01:33:06   University figured out a long time ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5586">TS</a>]

01:33:08   that they needed an endowment right we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5588">TS</a>]

01:33:11   don't have an in down moment for our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5591">TS</a>]

01:33:13   public schools and well you know whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5593">TS</a>]

01:33:19   that was gutted or whether if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5599">TS</a>]

01:33:21   whether it was it's just in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5601">TS</a>]

01:33:23   back-and-forth of like oh now now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5603">TS</a>]

01:33:26   don't pay taxes now we do this person is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5606">TS</a>]

01:33:28   against it this person thinks the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5608">TS</a>]

01:33:29   schools are full of maggots like how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5609">TS</a>]

01:33:32   we how do we go against this but how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5612">TS</a>]

01:33:35   we deep politicize things like schools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5615">TS</a>]

01:33:38   so that the state legislature doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5618">TS</a>]

01:33:43   decide that this that that because there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5623">TS</a>]

01:33:45   was one gay art teacher in shoreline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5625">TS</a>]

01:33:48   that we don't teach art anymore is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5628">TS</a>]

01:33:53   even vaguely close to a real world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5633">TS</a>]

01:33:55   example I mean why the why the why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5635">TS</a>]

01:33:59   holy jesus fuck don't we have money for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5639">TS</a>]

01:34:02   schools in America right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5642">TS</a>]

01:34:04   why are those things tied to cart abs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5644">TS</a>]

01:34:07   it's it's bonkers particularly bonkers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5647">TS</a>]

01:34:12   when you think that the state of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5652">TS</a>]

01:34:14   California is subsidizing the water for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5654">TS</a>]

01:34:18   a bunch of raspberry farmers and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5658">TS</a>]

01:34:21   City of Seattle has two three billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5661">TS</a>]

01:34:23   dollars on tap to build a tunnel under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5663">TS</a>]

01:34:26   the city that will be obsolete obsolete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5666">TS</a>]

01:34:29   before the paint is dry right after we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5669">TS</a>]

01:34:32   do you know how much be frustrating it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5672">TS</a>]

01:34:35   really great but if you put three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5675">TS</a>]

01:34:37   billion dollars in a in an endowment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5677">TS</a>]

01:34:39   fund and used and never touch the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5679">TS</a>]

01:34:42   principal and just use the interest to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5682">TS</a>]

01:34:44   pay for some facet of I mean it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5684">TS</a>]

01:34:49   pay for all the schools but it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5689">TS</a>]

01:34:50   sure as shit go a long way to funding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5690">TS</a>]

01:34:54   the schools in perpetuity right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5694">TS</a>]

01:34:56   nobody's thinking about that and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5696">TS</a>]

01:34:58   know every year it's like oh shit we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5698">TS</a>]

01:35:00   don't have any money for libraries or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5700">TS</a>]

01:35:01   scream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5701">TS</a>]

01:35:02   that's why the the business part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5702">TS</a>]

01:35:04   kind of surprises me because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5704">TS</a>]

01:35:06   know what I'm thinking of a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5706">TS</a>]

01:35:07   but i'm remembering few years back when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5707">TS</a>]

01:35:09   it seemed very surprising to me to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5709">TS</a>]

01:35:11   about how many leaders at big companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5711">TS</a>]

01:35:16   were speaking openly about what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5716">TS</a>]

01:35:20   achievement gap in America and basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5720">TS</a>]

01:35:22   they realize that it was getting harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5722">TS</a>]

01:35:25   to enter my Morsi this happened 20 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5725">TS</a>]

01:35:28   ago but I could be remembering around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5728">TS</a>]

01:35:29   but they basically was it was obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5729">TS</a>]

01:35:31   getting harder to hire into certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5731">TS</a>]

01:35:33   kinds of high tech careers that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:35   were already seeing that it was getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5735">TS</a>]

01:35:37   harder and they were happy to do much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5737">TS</a>]

01:35:38   stuff I try and hire people from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5738">TS</a>]

01:35:39   overseas and I feel like I remember a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5739">TS</a>]

01:35:41   lot of people saying hey look we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5741">TS</a>]

01:35:43   invest in these kinds of careers for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:45   people who aren't even in school yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5745">TS</a>]

01:35:46   right these are the kinds of systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5746">TS</a>]

01:35:48   like that kind of remember first hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5748">TS</a>]

01:35:50   thinking wow that is really forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5750">TS</a>]

01:35:51   thinking and really abstract and a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5751">TS</a>]

01:35:54   of ways no direct benefits to any given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5754">TS</a>]

01:35:57   company no roi they could put a floor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5757">TS</a>]

01:35:59   about that whereas something like Jeff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5759">TS</a>]

01:36:01   basis I don't think he's going anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5761">TS</a>]

01:36:03   I think he's going or maybe costco any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5763">TS</a>]

01:36:06   of those companies starbucks that are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5766">TS</a>]

01:36:08   associated with that area it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5768">TS</a>]

01:36:11   kind of a no-brainer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5771">TS</a>]

01:36:13   I'm sure they know give out bottled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5773">TS</a>]

01:36:15   water and t-shirts and balloons at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5775">TS</a>]

01:36:17   festivals and stuff but it just seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5777">TS</a>]

01:36:18   like it seems like such a no-brainer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5778">TS</a>]

01:36:20   invest in the community has a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5780">TS</a>]

01:36:23   without any let alone trying to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5783">TS</a>]

01:36:26   community that would be a desirable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5786">TS</a>]

01:36:27   place for people to move you know great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5787">TS</a>]

01:36:29   is it seems like half a dozen reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5789">TS</a>]

01:36:31   why you would want to find the budget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5791">TS</a>]

01:36:33   just even just to provide the nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5793">TS</a>]

01:36:34   things let alone the essential things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5794">TS</a>]

01:36:36   well and that is that is assuming that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5796">TS</a>]

01:36:40   uh that I and it's an assumption that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:43   think most of the people making this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5803">TS</a>]

01:36:45   argument make which is that a the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5805">TS</a>]

01:36:47   assumption that our schools are are are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5807">TS</a>]

01:36:50   basically trade schools right just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5810">TS</a>]

01:36:53   making the economic impact argument that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:57   if we have better schools that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5817">TS</a>]

01:36:59   better employees for amazon like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5819">TS</a>]

01:37:03   alone is a blunt instrument but it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5823">TS</a>]

01:37:05   pretty I'll take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5825">TS</a>]

01:37:06   yeah right that was the reason for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5826">TS</a>]

01:37:08   costco or Microsoft or or Vulcan or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5828">TS</a>]

01:37:12   starbucks or or amazon too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5832">TS</a>]

01:37:15   take an interest in Seattle Public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5835">TS</a>]

01:37:17   Schools then you get the opportunity I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5837">TS</a>]

01:37:20   mean you no way above that a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5840">TS</a>]

01:37:22   miles above that is the opportunity to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5842">TS</a>]

01:37:25   be a true a benefactor and say schools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5845">TS</a>]

01:37:32   need art programs schools need poetry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5852">TS</a>]

01:37:36   schools need dance schools you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5856">TS</a>]

01:37:40   we're not just using schools as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5860">TS</a>]

01:37:42   training program for people to work in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5862">TS</a>]

01:37:44   assembly scenarios or coding scenarios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5864">TS</a>]

01:37:48   with coding is being the modern assembly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5868">TS</a>]

01:37:50   but we want to we want our schools to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5870">TS</a>]

01:37:56   create citizens because those are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5876">TS</a>]

01:37:59   people who are going to really advance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5879">TS</a>]

01:38:01   the ball in 30 years and you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5881">TS</a>]

01:38:05   an argument that i think a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5885">TS</a>]

01:38:06   capitalists would be really interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5886">TS</a>]

01:38:11   in right it just doesn't have it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5891">TS</a>]

01:38:15   much easier to show up at the at the job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5895">TS</a>]

01:38:17   fair with a bunch of balloons and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5897">TS</a>]

01:38:21   you know apply for a job as a coder here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5901">TS</a>]

01:38:25   and you know and then maybe you'll get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:29   chance to join our program where we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5909">TS</a>]

01:38:31   we're building windmills in South [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5911">TS</a>]

01:38:36   America that wins all around because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5916">TS</a>]

01:38:38   know gosh I don't get to San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5918">TS</a>]

01:38:41   but you know just thinking about my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5921">TS</a>]

01:38:43   friend you are already in the San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5923">TS</a>]

01:38:45   Francisco I now but we were just talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5925">TS</a>]

01:38:49   with my wife about this and how I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5929">TS</a>]

01:38:52   know it was the funny thing about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5932">TS</a>]

01:38:53   bubble is that the longer the bubble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5933">TS</a>]

01:38:57   sticks around and the bigger the bubble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5937">TS</a>]

01:38:58   gets the irony is that the bubble is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5938">TS</a>]

01:39:02   actually getting stronger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5942">TS</a>]

01:39:04   the bubble is getting weaker as it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5944">TS</a>]

01:39:06   bigger and that's true for soap bubbles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5946">TS</a>]

01:39:08   and it's true for San Francisco bubbles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5948">TS</a>]

01:39:10   the bigger it gets the more we feel the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5950">TS</a>]

01:39:12   huge impact of this bubble here it is i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5952">TS</a>]

01:39:14   mean it's bad i didn't just been working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5954">TS</a>]

01:39:16   too much but it's bad here it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5956">TS</a>]

01:39:17   really it's gross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5957">TS</a>]

01:39:19   there's not a noble gross stuff going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5959">TS</a>]

01:39:21   right now in San Francisco because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5961">TS</a>]

01:39:23   everybody wants to get in on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5963">TS</a>]

01:39:25   because you know growing bubble thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5965">TS</a>]

01:39:28   but you know again i'm not i'm not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5968">TS</a>]

01:39:29   econometrician but i think that public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5969">TS</a>]

01:39:32   gets bigger it does become a lot easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5972">TS</a>]

01:39:34   to burst and you don't have to look more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5974">TS</a>]

01:39:37   than five or six years in the past to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5977">TS</a>]

01:39:38   see what happened in a bubble which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5978">TS</a>]

01:39:41   that everybody thought the housing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5981">TS</a>]

01:39:42   prices were going to go up and up and up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5982">TS</a>]

01:39:43   without regard to how those loans are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5983">TS</a>]

01:39:45   being made and whether people should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5985">TS</a>]

01:39:46   have them and look look what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5986">TS</a>]

01:39:48   there so I mean how long is it going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5988">TS</a>]

01:39:50   be here before you got a bunch of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5990">TS</a>]

01:39:53   suddenly and i'm going to talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5993">TS</a>]

01:39:55   earthquake scenario I'm just talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5995">TS</a>]

01:39:56   about your basic economic tip wear boots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5996">TS</a>]

01:39:59   and selling the bubbles not there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/5999">TS</a>]

01:40:01   bunch of people with leases and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6001">TS</a>]

01:40:02   mortgages on places that are suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6002">TS</a>]

01:40:05   within say six months you know thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6005">TS</a>]

01:40:08   percent over market value fifty percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6008">TS</a>]

01:40:09   over market value you know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6009">TS</a>]

01:40:11   yeah and that's it's the the scary part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6011">TS</a>]

01:40:15   in some ways you see so much destruction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6015">TS</a>]

01:40:16   so many businesses that have been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6016">TS</a>]

01:40:19   families and artists people have been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6019">TS</a>]

01:40:20   town for dozens of years just going away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6020">TS</a>]

01:40:22   because somebody else's that space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6022">TS</a>]

01:40:24   go go go shut down all these bars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6024">TS</a>]

01:40:26   because these condos moved in here now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6026">TS</a>]

01:40:27   there's all this stuff and like each one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6027">TS</a>]

01:40:29   of those little things in independent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6029">TS</a>]

01:40:31   one another is not like a huge momentous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6031">TS</a>]

01:40:34   thing like any tragedy doesn't all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6034">TS</a>]

01:40:36   happen in one day but you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6036">TS</a>]

01:40:38   really starts to add up until there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6038">TS</a>]

01:40:40   gonna be a point i think we're more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6040">TS</a>]

01:40:41   people going and not really sure I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6041">TS</a>]

01:40:43   to live there and it's gonna get super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6043">TS</a>]

01:40:46   expensive until the day it doesn't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6046">TS</a>]

01:40:47   expensive and then we're going to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6047">TS</a>]

01:40:49   cultural wasteland where everything was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6049">TS</a>]

01:40:51   a little bit overpriced few months ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6051">TS</a>]

01:40:53   and now what the fuck are we gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6053">TS</a>]

01:40:54   what more was like when Walmart moves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6054">TS</a>]

01:40:56   out of town so first shut down every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6056">TS</a>]

01:40:58   place in walmart moves and you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6058">TS</a>]

01:40:59   nothing it's that that's terrifying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6059">TS</a>]

01:41:01   me to you know that people are coming in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6061">TS</a>]

01:41:03   here and treating a little bit like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6063">TS</a>]

01:41:05   gold rush town without necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6065">TS</a>]

01:41:06   investing much and what would keep this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6066">TS</a>]

01:41:09   place sustainable and desirable for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6069">TS</a>]

01:41:12   people and this and we've talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6072">TS</a>]

01:41:13   this before but this is the moment in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6073">TS</a>]

01:41:16   world history I guess where we are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6076">TS</a>]

01:41:23   know we're up against the fact that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6083">TS</a>]

01:41:26   pure market is just a thought technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6086">TS</a>]

01:41:31   fright friend right and the the history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6091">TS</a>]

01:41:35   of the eighteenth nineteenth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6095">TS</a>]

01:41:38   twentieth centuries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6098">TS</a>]

01:41:39   our histories of political ideologies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6099">TS</a>]

01:41:42   that attempted to rein in and govern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6102">TS</a>]

01:41:45   market mercantilism and we saw a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6105">TS</a>]

01:41:52   different attempts to do it and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6112">TS</a>]

01:41:55   unfortunately some of those attempts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6115">TS</a>]

01:41:58   were very ideological they came at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6118">TS</a>]

01:42:02   time when technology allowed people you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6122">TS</a>]

01:42:06   know to literally stamp numbers on other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6126">TS</a>]

01:42:10   people right and mass murder them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6130">TS</a>]

01:42:14   conjunction with market reforms and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6134">TS</a>]

01:42:18   really discredited a lot of that a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6138">TS</a>]

01:42:22   of the ideology and some of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6142">TS</a>]

01:42:24   ideology was way up in the sky and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6144">TS</a>]

01:42:27   and it did not reflect the actual truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6147">TS</a>]

01:42:29   of people but it doesn't mean that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6149">TS</a>]

01:42:36   that or the end result is that we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6156">TS</a>]

01:42:39   accept that market is the God and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6159">TS</a>]

01:42:45   keep saying to me like what would it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6165">TS</a>]

01:42:48   mean it's the it's the market you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6168">TS</a>]

01:42:51   make people want to come in they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6171">TS</a>]

01:42:53   buy you can't stop them right and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6173">TS</a>]

01:42:56   like the the markets a lot more comp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6176">TS</a>]

01:42:59   complex than that and it is governor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6179">TS</a>]

01:43:02   mobile well yeah I mean it's it seems a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6182">TS</a>]

01:43:04   little bit i ran a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6184">TS</a>]

01:43:06   intellectually flabby to just say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6186">TS</a>]

01:43:10   supply and demand are these natural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6190">TS</a>]

01:43:12   forces in the world haha but because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6192">TS</a>]

01:43:16   been hella hella yes because there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6196">TS</a>]

01:43:19   lot more to it than that i saw an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6199">TS</a>]

01:43:21   article in the paper in the last six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6201">TS</a>]

01:43:24   months about it's become very easy i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6204">TS</a>]

01:43:28   don't know i always think about parking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6208">TS</a>]

01:43:29   because you know the number of cars in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6209">TS</a>]

01:43:31   San Francisco versus number of spaces is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6211">TS</a>]

01:43:32   just as completely bananas and right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6212">TS</a>]

01:43:35   there are there it's pretty easy like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6215">TS</a>]

01:43:38   you can walk down the big Street near my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6218">TS</a>]

01:43:39   house and CM almost every cannot almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6219">TS</a>]

01:43:41   every car but probably third have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6221">TS</a>]

01:43:43   cars have a disabled permit if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6223">TS</a>]

01:43:45   disable permit you get a parking meter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6225">TS</a>]

01:43:46   for free very desirable and last I heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6226">TS</a>]

01:43:50   the number of disabled permits that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6230">TS</a>]

01:43:52   been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6232">TS</a>]

01:43:53   given out versus the number of spaces in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6233">TS</a>]

01:43:55   the city this is approximately twice as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6235">TS</a>]

01:43:57   many just disabled permanent way I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6237">TS</a>]

01:44:00   that was accurate here's another fun one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6240">TS</a>]

01:44:02   of my wife just changed jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6242">TS</a>]

01:44:04   she's going back to like a real career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6244">TS</a>]

01:44:07   full-time career and so she's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6247">TS</a>]

01:44:10   this new she working on this device new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6250">TS</a>]

01:44:11   campus on in town but she found out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6251">TS</a>]

01:44:15   of course it's impossible to park you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6255">TS</a>]

01:44:17   know you you could take me but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6257">TS</a>]

01:44:19   that's gonna be an hour and half to two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6259">TS</a>]

01:44:20   hours so she drives a lot and that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6260">TS</a>]

01:44:23   be thirty bucks a day she found out that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6263">TS</a>]

01:44:25   at the main campus where the hospital is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6265">TS</a>]

01:44:27   for ucsf you know the waiting list is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6267">TS</a>]

01:44:30   for employee parking 25 years there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6270">TS</a>]

01:44:34   two things that are funny about that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6274">TS</a>]

01:44:36   thing that's funny about that is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6276">TS</a>]

01:44:37   it's a fucking 25 year waiting list to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6277">TS</a>]

01:44:40   get a parking permit but then what makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6280">TS</a>]

01:44:42   it extra funny it's still there still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6282">TS</a>]

01:44:44   people adding their name to that list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6284">TS</a>]

01:44:47   that's the market there's the market for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6287">TS</a>]

01:44:48   you because that same but it's so good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6288">TS</a>]

01:44:52   well and as I keep saying up here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6292">TS</a>]

01:44:54   it's true san francisco right from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6294">TS</a>]

01:44:56   from the day that San Francisco was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6296">TS</a>]

01:44:58   founded until the last 10 years you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6298">TS</a>]

01:45:02   could be a working-class person and live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6302">TS</a>]

01:45:04   almost there anywhere i mean you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6304">TS</a>]

01:45:07   there are a few neighborhoods you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6307">TS</a>]

01:45:09   couldn't live in but for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6309">TS</a>]

01:45:11   you could live in downtown San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6311">TS</a>]

01:45:13   as a working-class person and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6313">TS</a>]

01:45:15   do that all the way through until just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6315">TS</a>]

01:45:19   recently and in Seattle that's been true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6319">TS</a>]

01:45:22   until just five ten years ago you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6322">TS</a>]

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01:45:33   hundred and fifty plus years that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6333">TS</a>]

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01:46:13   be able to live anywhere in Seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6373">TS</a>]

01:46:14   still as we have always been able to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6374">TS</a>]

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01:46:29   thirty dollars a day and parking because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6389">TS</a>]

01:46:31   what we've decided now is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6391">TS</a>]

01:46:33   market has just determined that Seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6393">TS</a>]

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01:46:54   it's like that is good but we didn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6414">TS</a>]

01:46:57   very good planning right and planning is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6417">TS</a>]

01:47:02   the is the key and and a sense that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6422">TS</a>]

01:47:07   none of these things are set in stone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6427">TS</a>]

01:47:10   capitalism did not win any any like epic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6430">TS</a>]

01:47:15   battle of ideologies so that it is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6435">TS</a>]

01:47:19   unassailable from here on out and it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6439">TS</a>]

01:47:22   its acolytes who are going to argue for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6442">TS</a>]

01:47:23   it and they will call you a communist if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6443">TS</a>]

01:47:27   you try and talk about any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6447">TS</a>]

01:47:30   regulation and there are people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6450">TS</a>]

01:47:32   believe that governments are the soul of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6452">TS</a>]

01:47:35   evil but the fact is this is an ongoing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6455">TS</a>]

01:47:39   process we're still trying to navigate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6459">TS</a>]

01:47:41   how to be human beings and govern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6461">TS</a>]

01:47:43   ourselves and its ongoing and where an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6463">TS</a>]

01:47:48   exciting moment and and the pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6468">TS</a>]

01:47:51   that's being put on us by this by this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6471">TS</a>]

01:47:53   insanity is the pressure that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6473">TS</a>]

01:47:56   develop new thinking and that should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6476">TS</a>]

01:47:59   always exciting to us you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6479">TS</a>]

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01:48:04   Francisco and New York City and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6484">TS</a>]

01:48:06   Seattle who are realizing like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6486">TS</a>]

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01:48:19   some dollars in 2007 that seems crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6499">TS</a>]

01:48:23   yeah then it was worth a hundred and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6503">TS</a>]

01:48:25   ninety eight thousand dollars in 2007 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6505">TS</a>]

01:48:27   and a half seems crazy and now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6507">TS</a>]

01:48:31   worth 600 thousand dollars in 2015 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6511">TS</a>]

01:48:35   I'm starting to see a pattern which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6515">TS</a>]

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01:48:47   you run for fucking City Council [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6527">TS</a>]

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01:49:02   literally giving drills now they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6542">TS</a>]

01:49:04   yeah they have different drills to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6544">TS</a>]

01:49:05   fire girls you know they have lockdown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6545">TS</a>]

01:49:07   drills you believe that for a gun cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6547">TS</a>]

01:49:11   like a school lockdown but the point is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6551">TS</a>]

01:49:13   the guy you know you gotta try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6553">TS</a>]

01:49:14   explain to a kid like I'm trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6554">TS</a>]

01:49:15   split look I understand that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6555">TS</a>]

01:49:17   made a great Chinese wall of stuffed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6557">TS</a>]

01:49:20   animals across your room and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6560">TS</a>]

01:49:22   thing that you don't want to disturb but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6562">TS</a>]

01:49:24   like it's important for you to leave a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6564">TS</a>]

01:49:25   space in there so because if there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6565">TS</a>]

01:49:28   fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6568">TS</a>]

01:49:28   I don't want to scare you here but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6568">TS</a>]

01:49:29   there's a fire you're gonna want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6569">TS</a>]

01:49:30   able to get out of the house without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6570">TS</a>]

01:49:32   tripping on a pair and it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6572">TS</a>]

01:49:34   difficult to explain why we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6574">TS</a>]

01:49:37   practice these things like a fire drill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6577">TS</a>]

01:49:39   or any that's why we have to practice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6579">TS</a>]

01:49:41   them in moments of quiet repose do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6581">TS</a>]

01:49:44   until it starts to feel like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6584">TS</a>]

01:49:46   going to be a panic because when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6586">TS</a>]

01:49:47   actual fire happens you don't you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6587">TS</a>]

01:49:49   have time to think the poor analogy I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6589">TS</a>]

01:49:52   trying to make here is that the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6592">TS</a>]

01:49:54   is now we're in the middle of a blaze in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6594">TS</a>]

01:49:56   our town itself to some extent in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6596">TS</a>]

01:49:57   town coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6597">TS</a>]

01:49:59   well it's it's kind of it's kind of too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6599">TS</a>]

01:50:00   late to figure out what this fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6600">TS</a>]

01:50:02   strategy is because now we just need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6602">TS</a>]

01:50:03   focus on putting out the the blazes yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6603">TS</a>]

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01:50:09   even live in oakland anymore right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6609">TS</a>]

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01:50:19   bad you know it's just only like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6619">TS</a>]

01:50:21   like a two-hour Bart trip pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6621">TS</a>]

01:50:23   it's like wow talk about quality of life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6623">TS</a>]

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01:50:29   continues to evolve and it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6629">TS</a>]

01:50:31   pretty fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6631">TS</a>]

01:50:31   I just saw on your Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6631">TS</a>]

01:50:32   her we shouldn't talk about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6632">TS</a>]

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01:50:46   that says you to pass your competitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6646">TS</a>]

01:50:49   and fundraising oh no not-not-not my not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6649">TS</a>]

01:50:53   the big guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6653">TS</a>]

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01:51:03   because his he has actually fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6663">TS</a>]

01:51:05   contributors than we do but his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6665">TS</a>]

01:51:07   contributors all give seven hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6667">TS</a>]

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01:51:20   fundraising more of a challenge and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6680">TS</a>]

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01:51:26   how much better it would be even in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6686">TS</a>]

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01:51:32   race let alone imagining campaign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6692">TS</a>]

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01:51:39   plus dollars you have to raise and every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6699">TS</a>]

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01:51:57   and he's like you know one day I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6717">TS</a>]

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01:52:29   had a confrontation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6749">TS</a>]

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01:53:12   what I was one of his like it would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6792">TS</a>]

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01:56:25   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEO6JHBo/6985">TS</a>]