Roderick on the Line

Ep. 164: "In Your Face, Paraguay"


  this episode of Roderick online is [TS]

  sponsored by cards against humanity this [TS]

  month they asked Jonathan man to help me [TS]

  say hi to john terms time was it [TS]

  hello hello Marilyn Rajic online [TS]

  hello hello hello rather gonna live Bob [TS]

  Robert online bomb that's good bump to [TS]

  cover you know is that right yeah that's [TS]

  our song this month [TS]

  oh I love it already it's pretty catchy [TS]

  it is M some candy songwriter figured [TS]

  out a good cadence for our name em it's [TS]

  a gift [TS]

  I've come online i got hello hello [TS]

  that's what we say that's what he says [TS]

  he's he said something about grabbing [TS]

  your turpentine we look a little bit of [TS]

  a throwaway wait a minute [TS]

  well you know we have never talked about [TS]

  turpentine I slugging percentage how r [TS]

  use the big week huh oh yeah that's [TS]

  right to you tomorrow is election day [TS]

  oh my god em how even in this is what [TS]

  may [TS]

  no no I mean you know is let's see I [TS]

  mean obviously you've been preparing [TS]

  your whole life but well I don't know [TS]

  about that either but up but I so i [TS]

  started talking about it is two people [TS]

  probably in january and then bye-bye [TS]

  March it was fully you know people [TS]

  people were rallying i was i was [TS]

  rallying and then we declared in second [TS]

  week of april so when did the super PAC [TS]

  get formed super PAC is still forming [TS]

  the thing is you know you're not allowed [TS]

  to be directly involved with that right [TS]

  i cant and unlike other super PACs this [TS]

  one truly is super because a the number [TS]

  of nerds that support my campaign [TS]

  actually form a kind of Hall of Justice [TS]

  if you will and Hawkman yeah yeah does [TS]

  and they're working on their invisible [TS]

  plane right now [TS]

  they have to build a crystal cathedral [TS]

  m1a1 man she gets all the good stuff she [TS]

  does yeah and the crystal cathedral also [TS]

  great that was for sale at some point [TS]

  they turned into a mall what happened [TS]

  that is that right i can't imagine that [TS]

  they wouldn't that they would [TS]

  deconsecrated well there were problems [TS]

  there were problems leaky roof anymore [TS]

  well you know nobody said crystal is [TS]

  going to be waterproof mm I don't know [TS]

  but in the Reverend Schuler past [TS]

  yeah and then I think his son took over [TS]

  and i think it turned into like an [TS]

  orange julius oh i see i'm not sure i [TS]

  haven't kept up and read the trades [TS]

  actually you know no one said crystal [TS]

  was going to be waterproof was actually [TS]

  that was the that was the working slogan [TS]

  for a sex worker and you as a fact that [TS]

  rose McCaskey Paul oh I think about the [TS]

  same person [TS]

  it's wrong my friends oh man big week [TS]

  big week and welcome back it's been so [TS]

  long since I talked to you I missed you [TS]

  and you were gone I was worried about [TS]

  you and what you're talking about that I [TS]

  wasn't replying to your text so then I [TS]

  was worried that you were worried all [TS]

  those two so much worried you know you [TS]

  were out of your comfort you were out of [TS]

  your ears place you were somewhere else [TS]

  and I was just I was anxious for you [TS]

  oh thank you thank you there's good [TS]

  reason um ya know I IE had to go to [TS]

  three different to three different [TS]

  places don't like throw-up excited [TS]

  travel and do you know what my inner [TS]

  Merlin is already rejecting this [TS]

  possibility you know i just got a notice [TS]

  less i got it i just got notice things [TS]

  less than i do fine you know now he was [TS]

  fine i am you know it was pretty good we [TS]

  had some family time with the you know [TS]

  family on the East Coast and they're [TS]

  great i had to go to pdx is back in town [TS]

  for 36 hours and then went to pdx for my [TS]

  days [TS]

  mmm got Pendleton shirt pretty excited [TS]

  about just let's go yeah is it a is it [TS]

  doesn't picture [TS]

  no I got it big may say the Pendleton [TS]

  board shirt is wool and yet it is [TS]

  machine washable [TS]

  that's right and I want this to be I [TS]

  want this to be a 20-year shirt so I got [TS]

  a big because i figure i'll watch it [TS]

  sometimes [TS]

  yeah well [TS]

  that you've got it you've gotta you [TS]

  gotta get a penalty shot a little bit [TS]

  that's the tradition but you actually [TS]

  can wash those things and put them in [TS]

  the dryer and the shrinkage is minimal [TS]

  understand anything anymore between [TS]

  sous-vide and washable wall completely [TS]

  lost but I look like Harry Potter in the [TS]

  first movie like wearing his step [TS]

  brother is a you know adopted brothers [TS]

  clothes and if you just huge on me i [TS]

  never saw the harry potter movies never [TS]

  seen any of them know is that something [TS]

  I should do is it twice [TS]

  well you know I learned from the 16 [TS]

  hours of programming did with dan I'm [TS]

  didn't learn i'm reminded about how much [TS]

  you're interested in the magics yeah [TS]

  that's right [TS]

  proof that we should let's wait till the [TS]

  primary server but I won't talk about [TS]

  that more [TS]

  abracadabra I think about it a lot but [TS]

  uh you know I'm there they're all good i [TS]

  would say if you want one and only one [TS]

  watch the third one [TS]

  wow so just go right into the third one [TS]

  I don't even need to learn the rules of [TS]

  Quidditch i'll figure that out along the [TS]

  way which is the biggest scam inclusive [TS]

  including stadium deals all we're going [TS]

  skating history of sports [TS]

  we're gonna get so many angry technology [TS]

  about this book which is it's a total [TS]

  scam it's a scam am so I'm on my way [TS]

  down here i was thinking about this [TS]

  movie project that I've been working on [TS]

  for a long time [TS]

  ok screenplay that I've been you know [TS]

  they're mowing over which is a which is [TS]

  basically it is its neighborhood stick [TS]

  fights as a which we've talked about [TS]

  many times [TS]

  oh yeah neighborhood stick fights as a [TS]

  as a an organizing principle of the [TS]

  future society it's like the kind of [TS]

  games meet the warriors [TS]

  yeah well in the sense that you know [TS]

  hunger games is the reason that I guess [TS]

  that it's popular well is that it's you [TS]

  know it's populated with cute people but [TS]

  but you know how hungry there's a blurb [TS]

  Hunger Games turns on the idea that [TS]

  people are forced by a controlling and [TS]

  dystopian future society to fight in [TS]

  this arena against one another and the [TS]

  and and the heroine is always [TS]

  protecting the weekend shot you know and [TS]

  use in fighting they're fighting off a [TS]

  certain kind of municipal original sin [TS]

  basically they are there any these kids [TS]

  have to fight as tribute because they [TS]

  there was rebellious at one time that's [TS]

  right that's right this is their [TS]

  punishment and this is how they keep the [TS]

  beekeeper rebellion down in the [TS]

  provinces or whatever but but but my [TS]

  premise is that neighborhood stick [TS]

  fighting is something that a free [TS]

  society would willingly and [TS]

  enthusiastically enter into ok this is [TS]

  what kind of games meets your company [TS]

  softball team [TS]

  yeah or like you know or the longest [TS]

  yard [TS]

  what was the football game that took [TS]

  place in prison that was the longest [TS]

  yard [TS]

  there we go against mr. Burt Reynolds [TS]

  that's right so it's I mean that may be [TS]

  the longest yard is a bad example but [TS]

  you know but but they are but but the [TS]

  idea being that people would would [TS]

  self-organize into tribes they already [TS]

  do like on the weigh-in today so the [TS]

  blue angels and all the Seafarer [TS]

  airplanes are all getting out of Dodge [TS]

  today they're all kind of you know like [TS]

  the party's over and Boeing Field justly [TS]

  yeah okay [TS]

  boeing field two days ago was just like [TS]

  a it was a menagerie of all the [TS]

  different kinds of airplanes that were [TS]

  three different performing air show [TS]

  squadrons there was a there was a Marine [TS]

  Corps osprey there were biplanes and you [TS]

  know just the whole just the camp train [TS]

  of followers that chase the blue angels [TS]

  around and they're all getting out of [TS]

  here and so the like all weekend long [TS]

  all along boeing field there's been a a [TS]

  collection of airplane nerds who park [TS]

  their trucks and basically tailgate next [TS]

  to the airport just to watch the plane's [TS]

  take off and land in some ways the most [TS]

  exciting part of any flight is the [TS]

  take-off of the landing but also in [TS]

  another way [TS]

  not at all is that the most exciting [TS]

  part and suddenly NASCAR is that when [TS]

  you're most likely have a rack [TS]

  yeah that's right that's where all the [TS]

  that's where all the other tracks [TS]

  happened on the ground but you know [TS]

  watching a bunch [TS]

  airplanes coming and flair and touchdown [TS]

  it's like we got there but you know in [TS]

  seattle city of of let's say the general [TS]

  areas got a million people are so that's [TS]

  enough to put 50 people down a million [TS]

  people will generate between 1,500 [TS]

  people who just want to watch planes [TS]

  take off and land and some of them are [TS]

  those people with the big white lenses [TS]

  on their cameras who are obviously [TS]

  taking pictures to sell em to James [TS]

  aircraft manual if they still make that [TS]

  but as I'm driving in so i'm driving [TS]

  along and i see that i see the airplane [TS]

  people who it's now it's just the drip [TS]

  drip sand drags of them maybe there's 15 [TS]

  or 20 left [TS]

  who are the blue angels are gone now [TS]

  they're just watching like that there [TS]

  will be there watching the experimental [TS]

  ultralights take off and the end and I'm [TS]

  thinking like there's a self-selecting [TS]

  group of people who care about a certain [TS]

  aspect of airplane culture and this is [TS]

  how they're spending their monday [TS]

  morning and then I i drove through [TS]

  georgetown and pass the bus stop and at [TS]

  the bus stop there were there is a small [TS]

  group of people who looked like they had [TS]

  wandered out of a comic con right they [TS]

  had the whole have the whole look but [TS]

  one of them might have been in a utility [TS]

  kilt there was a guy with a sort of [TS]

  dishwater blonde ponytail their their [TS]

  jackets had lots of buttons and badges [TS]

  on them [TS]

  somebody might have had a stuffed animal [TS]

  on a lanyard around their neck pretty [TS]

  sure there was a there was a my little [TS]

  pony component to someone's socks and [TS]

  I'm like okay now there's another group [TS]

  of people self-selecting into a little [TS]

  tribe [TS]

  I don't know why they're here why [TS]

  they're waiting at this bus stop where [TS]

  they would have come from where they're [TS]

  going and then I started thinking about [TS]

  my stick fighting screenplay [TS]

  mhm is the way like the Warriors part I [TS]

  like the idea of the year whatever group [TS]

  you're coming together with there's a [TS]

  strong brand presence strong brand [TS]

  that's exactly right the warrior [TS]

  is it is a perfect example right you [TS]

  don't fuck with the Wong's that's right [TS]

  for you get those baseball guys baseball [TS]

  furies yeah the guys in the in the in [TS]

  the silca the like the silk suits up and [TS]

  so I'm thinking but here's the here's [TS]

  the question for you and this is this is [TS]

  this is something I feel like we should [TS]

  pose to our to our listeners there have [TS]

  to be some combat rules right you don't [TS]

  want to just be because if there weren't [TS]

  any combat rules right the snipers would [TS]

  win every time [TS]

  oh right right now right you can't just [TS]

  have each kid just like it's it can't [TS]

  just be a free-for-all [TS]

  let's never was never intended to be a [TS]

  fight to the death that's why it's a [TS]

  stick fight stick fight that's right but [TS]

  like but so there needs to be combat [TS]

  rules that those combat rules need to [TS]

  also incorporate modern technology [TS]

  because some of the tribes are going to [TS]

  be technologists oh IC right so if you [TS]

  just like ups are you can only fight [TS]

  with sticks [TS]

  there's going to be some group of people [TS]

  that work as engineers for blue origins [TS]

  for instance who are going to be like [TS]

  we've invented a better stick and our [TS]

  stick is made out of this and it [TS]

  performs the following way and this way [TS]

  it becomes a little bit like the robot [TS]

  wars like the road was the weather [TS]

  wouldn't make a little robot find [TS]

  another robot em right you but their [TS]

  rules their together gotta be rules you [TS]

  can we could be a weight thing it could [TS]

  be a material thing but they're gonna [TS]

  hack on that with technology to make a [TS]

  better stick that's right and they're [TS]

  going to be some people that you know [TS]

  they're gonna be like i imagine one [TS]

  component of the of the of the the nerd [TS]

  stick fight quadrant are going to be [TS]

  like the dwarves or whatever like the [TS]

  there gonna be a bunch of bearded guys [TS]

  who like to dress like dwarves in Lord [TS]

  of the Rings not that little people not [TS]

  miners and forgers yeah right and [TS]

  they're gonna be they're gonna be like [TS]

  uh probably [TS]

  normal normal size adult people but who [TS]

  really admire the dwarf aesthetic ok [TS]

  right they get the kind of chainmail [TS]

  leather long braided beards long hair [TS]

  right you and what strange to me as i [TS]

  never have seen a group of six or seven [TS]

  fully grown adult men rocking that look [TS]

  traveling together as a tribe a clutch [TS]

  of dwarves like that i cannot clutch i [TS]

  guess but a handful of dwarves [TS]

  yeah but would you call a group of of [TS]

  fighting dwarves a teacup no no a [TS]

  tempest I'm frustrated whoops yeah I [TS]

  have to think about it but I either so [TS]

  much to like about this this is [TS]

  something that this is something else [TS]

  get this way more thought the night then [TS]

  I realized well you know it's a bit [TS]

  it's a 15-minute drive in i mean there's [TS]

  a lot of time to think so but then it [TS]

  occurred to me if I'm writing a [TS]

  screenplay right I wanted to be [TS]

  realistic and so I would what we would [TS]

  have to do is we would have to establish [TS]

  a set of rules for combat and then [TS]

  imagine through the course of the [TS]

  history of this neighborhood stick [TS]

  fighting culture where different groups [TS]

  had hacked the rules and corollary rules [TS]

  had been imposed to accommodate you know [TS]

  or 22 like Raina min and so you know you [TS]

  want you want the rules of combat to not [TS]

  be to not be too arcane but they also [TS]

  have to reflect you know they have to [TS]

  kind of reflect the evolution of the [TS]

  game right something specifically about [TS]

  baseball and how the game has changed [TS]

  over time as they change the ball there [TS]

  was a time when I guess it was probably [TS]

  going to do a spitball and they said you [TS]

  know what you know I'll do that anymore [TS]

  that's not that that's not fair [TS]

  that's right can't do that what do you [TS]

  have to level it or you know you change [TS]

  like you know the higher the goalposts [TS]

  you standardize things for neighborhood [TS]

  stick fight to really catch on to become [TS]

  viral if you like it has to be some [TS]

  consistency between the different [TS]

  neighborhoods right i mean when they [TS]

  change the height of the goalposts and [TS]

  baseball that really altered the way the [TS]

  game was hard to get a hat-trick so I [TS]

  feel like I feel like that's something [TS]

  that you know I would i think i would [TS]

  call Neal Stephenson or something and [TS]

  say like how would you imagine could you [TS]

  imagine could you imagine ate the [TS]

  assuming that neighborhood stick [TS]

  fighting was something that we were 80 [TS]

  years into right we've been we've been [TS]

  doing this for a while I guess the [TS]

  world-building yeah that's right in the [TS]

  web and the stick fighting had been [TS]

  happening in the early days were scrappy [TS]

  and there were some people some fans [TS]

  that were like it's not like it used to [TS]

  be boy stick fighting you [TS]

  to be really awesome before they put in [TS]

  you know the onside fly rule or whatever [TS]

  but now you know it become more and more [TS]

  professionalized I keep imagining [TS]

  backstage at the neighborhood stick [TS]

  fight championship where all the [TS]

  different groups you know there's the [TS]

  there's the monks semester it's really [TS]

  like the one that's when I look at that [TS]

  link i sent you haha I'm just rewriting [TS]

  the yeah check out that link it is a [TS]

  page dedicated to all of the gangs of [TS]

  the Warriors oh my god so I'm so happy [TS]

  already the electric eliminators you got [TS]

  the gladiators I think you might be [TS]

  thinking of poppers they were purple [TS]

  hats and that's what's that's right the [TS]

  barbers that's right that is all furious [TS]

  and what I always forget it forget about [TS]

  the hi-hats all the hi-hat come on their [TS]

  minds they're so good they're so good [TS]

  watching them go through the turnstile [TS]

  watching the hi-hats go through the [TS]

  turnstile and then the yeah the baseball [TS]

  furies inhabit hons that the 17 hundred [TS]

  from chinatown em so let me let me ask [TS]

  you this though [TS]

  so for instance taser let's say you take [TS]

  a Taser in taser doesn't kill people at [TS]

  a distance really it doesn't hurt him at [TS]

  a distance that's one of the things like [TS]

  I don't want I don't want I don't want [TS]

  weapons that allow you to 2 is no [TS]

  there's no room for snipers and [TS]

  neighborhood stick fights that's right [TS]

  but a Taser could you could you get away [TS]

  with a kind of a modified taser I'm know [TS]

  Neal Stephenson but I i think when you [TS]

  think I think it's got to be I think we [TS]

  can some ways use baseball as a template [TS]

  because baseball started out as being [TS]

  this thing where all the fields are [TS]

  different and I guess they're still kind [TS]

  of different but I mean you know the [TS]

  difference distance between the bases [TS]

  and stuff could be really random and [TS]

  there's two major areas to focus on [TS]

  which are the logistics materials and [TS]

  construction of the sticks and then how [TS]

  you're allowed to attack so like in [TS]

  soccer if you something decided to start [TS]

  grabbing the ball and run around that's [TS]

  a dickhead put down the ball that's not [TS]

  cool right so what I mean I think we do [TS]

  have to start with the stick i'm [TS]

  thinking you have things like material [TS]

  weight length and circumference is a [TS]

  uniform length can be tapered my [TS]

  medicine have to be found stick can you [TS]

  lay their own thing is you can't sharpen [TS]

  them because then it's a spear kind of [TS]

  you know like so there's gotta be [TS]

  and I guess ultimately like you can kill [TS]

  somebody with a stick pretty easily so i [TS]

  do feel i feel like for this [TS]

  science-fiction story to really to [TS]

  really capture what I'm what I'm trying [TS]

  to say about humanity i think it does [TS]

  have to be fatal and at times [TS]

  oh sure i don't think it always has to [TS]

  be there in my head I'm imagining and I [TS]

  know this will change once Stephenson is [TS]

  it a little bit but i think it's a bunch [TS]

  of people on the field with essentially [TS]

  like broomsticks so you can use it like [TS]

  a staff you can use it like a sword or [TS]

  you can use it like a casual day or all [TS]

  of those things you never liked you can [TS]

  send it there's no ammunition not to [TS]

  spin that's right no you absolutely [TS]

  spend you could even throw but you're [TS]

  gonna been mean you know what they say [TS]

  about neighborhood stick fights when you [TS]

  know you throw your stick and then you [TS]

  gotta stick that's right then that your [TS]

  that sticks going to get stick stuck [TS]

  right up yeah that's one of the that's [TS]

  what that's one of us there you know [TS]

  because they're going to be [TS]

  sportscasters and they're gonna have [TS]

  their own sayings one stick for the team [TS]

  or does everybody have a stick [TS]

  well or there's a hunger game situation [TS]

  where they're kind of stick some cuddles [TS]

  and chalets and stuff all like it might [TS]

  be when you actually pitched this idea I [TS]

  imagined it the way it would have [TS]

  happened when your kids which is you're [TS]

  out in the woods and you find a stick [TS]

  and then you start hitting people with [TS]

  it [TS]

  thank you that's right there's something [TS]

  there's something to that but I think [TS]

  when what you professionalize this and I [TS]

  assume it will have some aspect of if [TS]

  not even maybe it'll be more like a like [TS]

  a football thing where nobody gets paid [TS]

  but you get for education and but you [TS]

  can have a you have a sticker bespoke [TS]

  stick that you make as long as it's [TS]

  within the good like a baseball bat [TS]

  right you can have your old i was called [TS]

  golden boy that's because you never you [TS]

  never golden boy who you and your dad [TS]

  can craft it out of the out of a tree [TS]

  that was hit by lightning like Brian a [TS]

  you can rewind your own pickups or or [TS]

  out of your out of your the mantelpiece [TS]

  of your childhood fireplace oh it was [TS]

  burned down by two are so now you got a [TS]

  reason so here's a question so [TS]

  originally the idea was that it was kind [TS]

  of a gladiator contest where it was [TS]

  taking place in a in a Coliseum and [TS]

  people you know the the the bread and [TS]

  circuses people were up in the stands [TS]

  kind of you know hurling encouragement [TS]

  and epithets down [TS]

  but then as as the game involved in my [TS]

  mind I realized that that so [TS]

  surveillance culture has to play into [TS]

  any kind of future games sports right [TS]

  we're seeing surveillance culture GoPros [TS]

  Oh engine eyes the the the like [TS]

  experience of sports and ever since [TS]

  football got those strange cameras that [TS]

  track the action overhead you know [TS]

  watching football is very different now [TS]

  than even a few years ago and it won't [TS]

  be long i don't think before there are [TS]

  cameras embedded on football players so [TS]

  that you're really was having super [TS]

  slo-mo GoPro action but with that [TS]

  enables us to do is have a sort of [TS]

  stadium but you know you know where [TS]

  special forces and and like SWAT teams [TS]

  train they have those fake cities [TS]

  oh yeah a little villages out in the [TS]

  country where it's a bunch of cinder [TS]

  block buildings and may and they [TS]

  practice like going into buildings and [TS]

  it's kind of like a like like paintball [TS]

  or laser tag sure like we're a little i [TS]

  like I wouldn't thing pops out the [TS]

  building and you gotta shoot the burger [TS]

  but not the baby [TS]

  yes thank you exactly shoot the burglar [TS]

  not the baby that's if I were [TS]

  sportscasting this that would be one of [TS]

  my adages when your catchphrases right [TS]

  somebody would whack like will actually [TS]

  walk their friend and I be like that [TS]

  they're yo Marlon there is another god [TS]

  why saying over and over shoot the [TS]

  burglar about the baby right then that [TS]

  the t-shirts will get made [TS]

  yep people would know me as that guy but [TS]

  it's on the one hand it's a very very [TS]

  primitive in many ways it's civilized in [TS]

  the sense that there are rules but [TS]

  there's also a high-tech component and [TS]

  that's that's where you really get [TS]

  people excited about it but I [TS]

  participants and as as viewers so we [TS]

  could build in the center of the stadium [TS]

  a kind of Cinderella's castle meet SWAT [TS]

  team training ground a big you know [TS]

  multi-layered set of buildings and laser [TS]

  tag you know ramps and all this stuff [TS]

  with gopro cameras all around it and [TS]

  then the tech aspect of it of course is [TS]

  that you're watching [TS]

  you're watching on multiple screens [TS]

  you're watching replays and and you can [TS]

  see you can see you can see more than [TS]

  the players can see okay and maybe I [TS]

  don't know exactly how this works with [TS]

  you figure there's what people on the [TS]

  field know and what their teams know [TS]

  when they've got their own surveillance [TS]

  means you get with the people in the [TS]

  crowd now and then you got with the [TS]

  viewers at home now and that information [TS]

  could potentially become passed around [TS]

  maybe there's a cache of sticks you know [TS]

  hidden somewhere inside Cinderella's [TS]

  castle or maybe the old lady could like [TS]

  in our games maybe she could buy you a [TS]

  nice fleece and have a melty as a [TS]

  sponsorship yeah sure and and there's a [TS]

  you know there's that kind of like oh [TS]

  you know like a like horror movie aspect [TS]

  where it's like don't go in their own [TS]

  don't go in there like people are you [TS]

  know really that they are participating [TS]

  you know people in the stadium having a [TS]

  different experience of course the [TS]

  people at home but there's a there's [TS]

  that that a the tension of of of having [TS]

  our missions [TS]

  oh yeah and also i mean i don't like to [TS]

  bring into pro wrestling too much [TS]

  because I know go on about it but to me [TS]

  thats that's a big component of this [TS]

  where thinks you never know what's gonna [TS]

  happen there might be another [TS]

  neighborhood stick fight team inside the [TS]

  castle and you just don't know it yet or [TS]

  maybe somebody from your neighborhood is [TS]

  in the audience they jump in [TS]

  they grab a stick and start helping out [TS]

  so now once we've established the actual [TS]

  you know like the combat who now the [TS]

  next part of this world building that we [TS]

  have to do is how exactly are our social [TS]

  problems how are we feeding this stick [TS]

  fighting like socially globally what are [TS]

  we [TS]

  resolving their ok you know like for [TS]

  example me I'm not saying I'm just [TS]

  tossing out like is it cause based well [TS]

  I mean if you're if you are if you are [TS]

  from Brazil and your team wins the world [TS]

  cup you have a lot of smack to talk to [TS]

  people from Uruguay for for a while [TS]

  right [TS]

  a nice i said i drive around seattle all [TS]

  uh [TS]

  every day let's be honest and the number [TS]

  of people who are still crowing about [TS]

  the superbowl two years ago in the form [TS]

  of some kind of logo on the back of [TS]

  their escalade yeah right sorry but it's [TS]

  always nice to Paraguay little bit of [TS]

  shade you know what Paraguay has got a [TS]

  lot to answer for who [TS]

  but so what I'm saying is escalating [TS]

  that or or rather turning them turning [TS]

  the dial up on that a little bit so that [TS]

  it's not just bragging rights it's not [TS]

  just like in-your-face paraguay like [TS]

  actual disputes are resolved by by the [TS]

  neighborhood stick fighting teams [TS]

  because i feel like as you ramp up the [TS]

  violence [TS]

  you also have to have a corresponding [TS]

  increase in mistakes not just the stakes [TS]

  for the team right those guys are going [TS]

  to get more hurt then big you know like [TS]

  voluntary are volunteering to get more [TS]

  hurt than in a football game but they do [TS]

  that because the pot the prospect is [TS]

  greater that their success will change [TS]

  people's lives also could be tied to [TS]

  something like the passage of a [TS]

  insurance bill right that would be sort [TS]

  of a regional becomes kind of referendum [TS]

  like in California like if you don't [TS]

  like the way ppl park you can go and [TS]

  start your own initiative get people to [TS]

  sign out right now and get people to [TS]

  sign on it gets on the ballot you can [TS]

  vote [TS]

  maybe this becomes a kind of public [TS]

  primary for certain kinds of big ideas [TS]

  precisely so people are like you know [TS]

  what I don't like rail transit in I [TS]

  think it's a bad idea i think it's too [TS]

  expensive than the other people are like [TS]

  rail transit is the only solution to [TS]

  modern urban expansion in cities i think [TS]

  if you take it even smaller I mean even [TS]

  even on your local high school football [TS]

  field you could work out whether or not [TS]

  there should be a stop sign somewhere [TS]

  who I mean kind of right on the football [TS]

  field [TS]

  well I mean I to stop someone be there [TS]

  by me like if you're looking I know [TS]

  you're not across the board a giant fan [TS]

  of four-way stops oh no I don't like [TS]

  them so i can guess which side you [TS]

  beyond that's right oh so you're saying [TS]

  like let's you know let's mount some [TS]

  teams [TS]

  yeah you've got to stop stoppers so then [TS]

  this is the [TS]

  this is how the league's workout right [TS]

  you start down at the at really the [TS]

  neighborhood level where it's like I i [TS]

  think that we need to spend the that you [TS]

  know we need to float up to [TS]

  million-dollar bond to paint all the [TS]

  fire hydrants in the port a bright color [TS]

  so they don't get back over and your [TS]

  opposition is like that is the ludicrous [TS]

  way to spend that money it's like stick [TS]

  fight yet be any pushback from big truck [TS]

  and then it work you work your way up [TS]

  the you work your way up the ranks so [TS]

  then your then you're basically on the [TS]

  county stick fighting team and your your [TS]

  adjudicating like the school board [TS]

  budget and then just imagine how much [TS]

  zoning stuff you get settled that way [TS]

  rights and net but then all the way up [TS]

  to like I'm on the Palestinian team and [TS]

  we are deciding with this match whether [TS]

  or not they're going to be any more [TS]

  subtle I get everything on this tank [TS]

  that's right and it's like everybody [TS]

  agrees this is an intractable problem [TS]

  we've been trying to solve it with [TS]

  diplomacy we've been trying to solve [TS]

  with war we've been trying to solve it [TS]

  with you know terrorism and it we have [TS]

  failed to solve it so does everybody [TS]

  agree stick fighting is stick fighting [TS]

  is the way that we solve all these other [TS]

  problems now it's like when subtlety and [TS]

  civility and adult conversation fails [TS]

  maybe it's time to pick up a stick maybe [TS]

  it's time thank you to pick up a stick [TS]

  and see that's another great catch [TS]

  phrase and I feel like that maybe is a [TS]

  league that at some point that was the [TS]

  phrase for the league got the stick [TS]

  yeah you know what at a certain point [TS]

  you gotta pick up the stick huh [TS]

  so but this is a lot of world-building [TS]

  in order to then distill it down temp to [TS]

  you know to write a script for a [TS]

  romantic comedy publisher is our [TS]

  meet-cute maybe people on different [TS]

  sides of the stick fight me course at [TS]

  the core of the movie there's got to be [TS]

  this changes everything I don't know is [TS]

  a rom-com this is this that's terrific [TS]

  well what other kind of movie is there [TS]

  right i don't want to the problem with [TS]

  hunger games is there's it's so [TS]

  hysterical and yet there's a rom-com at [TS]

  the center of it right i mean [TS]

  everybody's just like oh that's so weepy [TS]

  and I think that's a tenant of of young [TS]

  adult fiction maybe you're thinking more [TS]

  like old adult fiction [TS]

  I mean when you and I were uh one when [TS]

  we were young adults was that was our [TS]

  young adult fiction that weepy i don't [TS]

  know i think it's got a lot more energy [TS]

  over time you got a lot more vampires [TS]

  and implicit intercourse [TS]

  hmm there's no refresher course on the [TS]

  stick field although I have to say the [TS]

  original Red Dawn film em and I'm sorry [TS]

  that I even had to appellate isn't that [TS]

  a shame the original but you know that [TS]

  there was that was pretty histrionic [TS]

  there was a lot of like there are there [TS]

  a lot of young men over emoting in that [TS]

  movie I see if so many directions you [TS]

  can go and i know you're pretty busy [TS]

  right now but I mean you know I'll i [TS]

  think it helps also think in terms of [TS]

  the franchise right like they knew there [TS]

  was gonna be a whole bunch of this [TS]

  entire game films you know they [TS]

  discovered in time they want to make [TS]

  more star wars movies if you're going to [TS]

  build a world then you you get to decide [TS]

  how that story is told so maybe the [TS]

  first one the one that really get some [TS]

  of the Avengers of stick fighting is [TS]

  like there's just the one big movie with [TS]

  lots of big fights and stuff like that [TS]

  but you could also have stuff like then [TS]

  go to a prequel that explains the [TS]

  genesis of stick fighting and but from [TS]

  the sprint from this primitive simple [TS]

  days before GoPros right i see so I see [TS]

  so we start somewhere [TS]

  Waverly Graham and John you gotta grab [TS]

  an early on with the dwarves and the [TS]

  hi-hats and all the other yea big [TS]

  characters in the stick fights yeah the [TS]

  yo-yos the xylophones the stevedores [TS]

  they're only have to get that got the [TS]

  ding-a-lings you got the backups [TS]

  shanghai Sultan's that's right that's [TS]

  right and and so those guys are all we [TS]

  like we fade in on the scenes yeah the [TS]

  interview with the way i originally [TS]

  imagined this was that that [TS]

  yeah I think I was backstage at madison [TS]

  square garden or something i'm walking [TS]

  around there's all these different [TS]

  tribes of people wandering around [TS]

  backstage in this cavernous environment [TS]

  and i kinda just started to see them my [TS]

  eyes kind of unfocused and I was like [TS]

  you know what if that group of people [TS]

  and I think we talked about this in the [TS]

  original stick fighting episode where it [TS]

  was like the night that that girl that I [TS]

  met with the nike swoosh tattoo [TS]

  alright [TS]

  I was like the Nike that curl is [TS]

  branding herself for the rest of her [TS]

  life with a nike and and so I was but I [TS]

  was watching these people walk by and I [TS]

  was like now what if every one of those [TS]

  people walking past was wearing a kind [TS]

  of a tunic that that Kennedy was a was a [TS]

  call out to the Crusades right like here [TS]

  come here come the Christians they've [TS]

  all got a ball got a big cross on their [TS]

  chest and then here you know here are [TS]

  the only this big dressing gowns like a [TS]

  big dressing gown with my with it like [TS]

  it with your emblem on it and so like I [TS]

  said instead of instead of a a lion [TS]

  rampant you you got you got you got a [TS]

  tide logo [TS]

  yeah and exactly but but in the future [TS]

  right like like Islam is a killer brand [TS]

  but show but so is coca-cola slightly [TS]

  different kind of killer and so what if [TS]

  that would have team Islam is pitted [TS]

  against team coca-cola in the regional [TS]

  finals I don't think there's any reason [TS]

  that can't happen i think as you advance [TS]

  to advance to higher levels you know i [TS]

  think you're going to see some really [TS]

  unusual pairings exactly i see like [TS]

  Portland hog butchers vs former [TS]

  congressman mhm [TS]

  here come the Nebraska Methodists who [TS]

  and they are in a they are in a pitch [TS]

  battle with the Chevy Volt right coming [TS]

  off a huge huge win against the the [TS]

  ladies trying to use expired coupons of [TS]

  walgreens precisely so I would not want [TS]

  to face those ladies they are you know [TS]

  what their top they do not stay down [TS]

  well I murder should they're absolutely [TS]

  should be some kind of I mean this is [TS]

  the thing how do you handicapped because [TS]

  you don't want to put the cue the coupon [TS]

  ladies up against like the modern war we [TS]

  do this by i would i would love to see [TS]

  that but what you do in boxing right you [TS]

  do it by in that case by weight [TS]

  yeah I guess it's my way and then you [TS]

  but you still figure out like who is the [TS]

  greatest pound-for-pound stick fight [TS]

  team right [TS]

  ok here's my question and I I really [TS]

  this is so critical to to the to the [TS]

  whole narrative but i'm still not [TS]

  exactly sure I mean [TS]

  I have a good idea of what a stick fight [TS]

  is for or how it ends when it was a [TS]

  bunch of a 11 year old boys hitting each [TS]

  other [TS]

  what is the goal or how do you win the [TS]

  neighborhood stick fight [TS]

  well that's the thing it because because [TS]

  we are talking about really worth [TS]

  talking about solving really weighty [TS]

  disputes the the end has to be this [TS]

  there has to be satisfaction right the [TS]

  we have to get we the people have to get [TS]

  satisfaction if I am pitting if I if I [TS]

  am watching nike go up against I mean [TS]

  because it's not just nike against [TS]

  adidas it's nike against no no that [TS]

  that's the kind of narrow thinking that [TS]

  neighborhood stick fighting is gonna is [TS]

  gonna just get rid of right this is [TS]

  mikey against apple or Nike against [TS]

  against paraguay and it's like what are [TS]

  the stakes right between nike and [TS]

  paraguay and if nike wins [TS]

  nike tennis shoes beats paraguay the [TS]

  country [TS]

  what does paraguay after seed to them [TS]

  oh yeah kinda like when the two cities [TS]

  go up against each other in the mayor's [TS]

  have a playful yet about sending oranges [TS]

  or or you know philly cheese steak or [TS]

  something like that to the other guy [TS]

  right so but it has to be you know like [TS]

  that but something has to be selling I [TS]

  get you're saying this works on two [TS]

  levels is what gets settled on the field [TS]

  with sticks and was consequently by [TS]

  extension being settled by that victory [TS]

  that's right and so we the adjudication [TS]

  of the stick ball was a stick fight so [TS]

  what ends up deciding the match in the [TS]

  ring is does this does this result [TS]

  deliver satisfaction to the parties [TS]

  involved do they feel satisfied so if [TS]

  it's a case where it's like whack whack [TS]

  ow ok I quit [TS]

  it's like wait a minute no a like [TS]

  hundreds of miles hundreds of square [TS]

  miles of forest just were transferred [TS]

  from one organization to another 00 and [TS]

  this brings up another interesting point [TS]

  then so can you hire out can you be like [TS]

  the the Yankees and hire out like the [TS]

  best team [TS]

  based on money or does it have two [TS]

  people people who have a stake in that [TS]

  so this is that this is my feeling and [TS]

  this is why I call it neighborhood stick [TS]

  fights and not professional stick fights [TS]

  because my feeling about professional [TS]

  sports is as soon as it became free [TS]

  agency and sports were disconnected from [TS]

  their region right it's all just [TS]

  metaphor now you know you just this [TS]

  beeping these baseball players just play [TS]

  for everybody at the end of their career [TS]

  they you know and they show up I mean [TS]

  Ichiro shows up at Safeco Field when [TS]

  they Yankees uniform if you can use the [TS]

  phrase Utah Jazz without laughing Thank [TS]

  You a utah jazz I so i do feel like i do [TS]

  feel like the point of the stick [TS]

  fighting is your group you're vested [TS]

  group puts up your best fighters from [TS]

  within the group and if you know and the [TS]

  put the problem with that of course is [TS]

  that there are lots of groups who by [TS]

  definition are not going to have as good [TS]

  of Fighters right like the like team [TS]

  coder is not going to put up its gonna [TS]

  probably have a lot of like big guys huh [TS]

  but not a lot of like em tough guys I [TS]

  get you and so so you have to also be [TS]

  able to use the strength of your group [TS]

  right like the coupon ladies who all the [TS]

  way there they are strong they have to [TS]

  end it and they have to be able to work [TS]

  as a you know as a group strategy they [TS]

  have to use their strategy right to like [TS]

  this old so the game would have to be [TS]

  modified in the coupon ladies thing the [TS]

  point of the game might be that you have [TS]

  to get through the checkout and back [TS]

  home before the ramen boils over [TS]

  mmm using a neighborhood level it could [TS]

  be something really lonely too [TS]

  on-the-nose it could be something as [TS]

  simple as the ladies trying to use [TS]

  expired coupons at walgreens vs let's [TS]

  let's just say it walgreens employees [TS]

  Oh interesting I mean there's just so [TS]

  many ways that this world couldn't find [TS]

  them here i'm saying this helps me too [TS]

  because the thing is if they if they [TS]

  really toss and it's a sanction sanction [TS]

  neighborhood stick fight and just for [TS]

  the sake of argument let's say the [TS]

  ladies with the expired coupons win [TS]

  right i mean i've really hope that [TS]

  doesn't happen but if they win then from [TS]

  now on [TS]

  and a corporate level walgreens has got [TS]

  to take expired coupons [TS]

  end of story if you wanna rematch [TS]

  there's gotta be some kind of stakes [TS]

  where the you know some skin in the game [TS]

  but I guess you're saying this goes way [TS]

  beyond the field and this I right now i [TS]

  would say there are a lot of things [TS]

  where I would say listen stick fighting [TS]

  is my idea but it's not that I'm not [TS]

  actually gonna get down on the field and [TS]

  stick fight I mean I'm up in the head [TS]

  office [TS]

  I'm up there counting the money i'm not [TS]

  a stick fighter right I'm an impresario [TS]

  your steak lover but if you pitted value [TS]

  village management against an ad-hoc [TS]

  team of value village customers who are [TS]

  tired of filling out there who are tired [TS]

  of collecting 20 stamps on their stamp [TS]

  card to to get twenty-five percent off [TS]

  only to arrive with their filled out [TS]

  stamp card and find the promotion is [TS]

  over and the and the dates you know that [TS]

  it was only good for three weeks and now [TS]

  you're now now the time that you took [TS]

  and all the effort the carrying the [TS]

  stamp card around and pulling it out and [TS]

  getting it stamped you got set 20 stamps [TS]

  or something and it's like oh we're not [TS]

  honoring those anymore [TS]

  value village does that every they do [TS]

  that 15 times a year they also did your [TS]

  switcheroo they do a switcheroo they [TS]

  offer they're like hey are you filling [TS]

  out our stamp card and you're like no [TS]

  thanks we're like really I mean I'm [TS]

  gonna put three stamps on it for this [TS]

  this purchase they're like okay go ahead [TS]

  give me the stamp card and they put [TS]

  stamps on it and then for like three [TS]

  weeks every time you go into value [TS]

  village like I got a stamp card they're [TS]

  like great and they stamp it and then [TS]

  you finally get to 23 go in the next [TS]

  time you're like twenty-five percent off [TS]

  and they're like oh we that that [TS]

  promotion ended my first on cheese so [TS]

  it's not like a coffee cart thing where [TS]

  the stamp card you could go into your [TS]

  coffee car with a stamp card from four [TS]

  years ago and they'll still give you [TS]

  that espresso it's some kind of it's [TS]

  some kind of bullshit trick and so i [TS]

  have written that I don't you talk about [TS]

  demanding satisfaction I would be livid [TS]

  now if I guess I had to look on the [TS]

  google for this this is a value village [TS]

  is a thing it'sit's used clothing is [TS]

  that right that's right it's through its [TS]

  a thrift store but it's a for-profit get [TS]

  what you get [TS]

  yeah but I noticed on the sciences [TS]

  donations [TS]

  dinner you can donate this is that what [TS]

  so they value village is a is a funny [TS]

  business model they do a little [TS]

  switcheroo on you [TS]

  they do a lot of switches on you but the [TS]

  but the big one is like goodwill takes [TS]

  your donations and they employ people [TS]

  and they have training centers and they [TS]

  you know they are a nonprofit [TS]

  organization they're kind of a good will [TS]

  it seems to me the Goodman goodwill the [TS]

  more I learn about goodwill more [TS]

  fascinating they seen because they seem [TS]

  like a charitable pyramid scheme where [TS]

  they want people to come and go oh [TS]

  there's a lot of value to be had here [TS]

  this is a nice vintage stationary and [TS]

  say oh well you know if you're somebody [TS]

  who has a disability [TS]

  you could also work here so they're [TS]

  training people isn't it a little bit [TS]

  like not a Ponzi scheme but a little bit [TS]

  of a pyramid scheme you you can i come [TS]

  in as a customer leaves an assistant [TS]

  manager [TS]

  it's a and B and beginning helped there [TS]

  is so much going on behind the walls at [TS]

  a goodwill that I don't understand i met [TS]

  a woman the other day who was like [TS]

  chairwoman of the Northwest Goodwill's [TS]

  and I was like I really love your stores [TS]

  and she was appreciative but you could [TS]

  see in her eyes that the stores were [TS]

  just a small fraction i totally buy that [TS]

  I totally by tip tip of the iceberg [TS]

  yeah that is what's really going on a [TS]

  goodwill is like oh the store you like [TS]

  to come into the store is how nice [TS]

  that's very nice and that and and then [TS]

  there was just that sense where I go I [TS]

  suddenly felt like I was talking to [TS]

  somebody from skull and bones [TS]

  it's like oh I don't know anything about [TS]

  goodwill do I and she was like no not [TS]

  really but that's great that's wonderful [TS]

  keep coming in I was like whoa Jesus [TS]

  asked a question about that [TS]

  related okay because there's 1 i'm [TS]

  always thinking about you get that you [TS]

  got you check your mail and there's [TS]

  something in your mailbox and there's [TS]

  something that vaguely sounds like a [TS]

  charitable group for veterans are you [TS]

  talking about your email or your mail my [TS]

  p-mail we think we go out and get your [TS]

  actual postal mail and to be something [TS]

  in it like a bag and a plastic wrapper [TS]

  imploring you to help someone so if you [TS]

  have old clothes or there's going to be [TS]

  a big pickup of your old and broken [TS]

  electronics [TS]

  x and something something is going to [TS]

  help veterans for people with [TS]

  disabilities now my wife actually does [TS]

  this I i don't feel right about I think [TS]

  there's something weird going on I don't [TS]

  understand how they're making money by [TS]

  picking up broken computer monitors do [TS]

  you have any idea what these places are [TS]

  and how they're making money and how i'm [TS]

  pretty sure i'm being scammed [TS]

  so what what I have learned I guess is [TS]

  that there are secondary and tertiary [TS]

  markets for old junk there's a whole [TS]

  like sub economy and good will not only [TS]

  processes your material and cells in [TS]

  their stores but they also now have a [TS]

  very lucrative online business where [TS]

  they take the cream they used to just [TS]

  end up out on the shelves [TS]

  yeah and now they sell it online but [TS]

  they also sell material that they [TS]

  collect to other organizations and and [TS]

  now they are collecting material they're [TS]

  saying like no item of clothing is to [TS]

  shite to donate to Goodwill because they [TS]

  can weave it into a bathmat yes right [TS]

  they take all the old garbage fabric and [TS]

  that goes into some other economy they [TS]

  send that somewhere sell it you know [TS]

  I've told you anybody who spent much [TS]

  time travelling overseas you know you [TS]

  come you're walking down a path and here [TS]

  comes a little lady from some village [TS]

  out in the middle of nowhere and she's [TS]

  wearing a Chicago Bulls t-shirt or a no [TS]

  or a superbowl t-shirt with an XML cat [TS]

  yeah or scary especially with the with [TS]

  the name of the team that lost that year [TS]

  I'll because they make them and they got [TS]

  to go somewhere you gotta get your [TS]

  secondary or tertiary markets but value [TS]

  village is an actual for-profit company [TS]

  that lives in this nonprofit space [TS]

  competing against salvation army and [TS]

  goodwill which are which are like chair [TS]

  nominally charitable organizations [TS]

  valley village is just making a profit [TS]

  for some people in a in the boardroom I [TS]

  couldn't their webpage really makes them [TS]

  sound a little like a charity [TS]

  yeah but they're not they're just making [TS]

  money and so [TS]

  all the time people like backup to value [TS]

  village and drop off all their stuff and [TS]

  feel good about it and i'm not exactly [TS]

  sure if you can deduct that or not but [TS]

  uh but the value village a culture [TS]

  business culture pretty sure it's just [TS]

  like it's basically the next level of [TS]

  target see putting out an old CRT [TS]

  monitor that hasn't worked for years and [TS]

  is broken and legitimately trash that's [TS]

  actually dangerous to put in a dump [TS]

  I don't see any way you make money off [TS]

  that unless you put it on a barge and [TS]

  send it to China and have people be like [TS]

  children tear apart with your fingers I [TS]

  understand how you make money from that [TS]

  and I think that is exactly what happens [TS]

  is copper right i mean there are there [TS]

  are there are whole villages their whole [TS]

  provinces in China where it they're just [TS]

  they're just children that lived there [TS]

  there are no adults it's a kind of a [TS]

  kind of over the Flies situation they're [TS]

  living in a world constructive old CRT [TS]

  monitors and you know and there's the [TS]

  one kid that has kind of a monocle that [TS]

  he flips down in front of his eyes to [TS]

  see and check the quality of the [TS]

  material quality and there's a kid that [TS]

  was a top because it gives a confident [TS]

  thumbs up in an odd number and there's a [TS]

  bunch of ragamuffins their kind of [TS]

  indistinguishable from one another and [TS]

  then there's like the heroic girl as [TS]

  like Mad Max meets Dickens meets Dickens [TS]

  Mad Max meets think that's how well [TS]

  that's how pula will picture i see this [TS]

  franchise going to add Max meets Dickens [TS]

  and then and I'm sure that they are [TS]

  yeah they're harvesting the copper and [TS]

  and all the you know all the memories [TS]

  right that's what they're really harvest [TS]

  harvesting operand memory step in [TS]

  getting the data out well and the [TS]

  memories right i mean you don't know how [TS]

  many your memories are stored in there [TS]

  this part of it this is part of the [TS]

  computer maths that they don't teach a [TS]

  man i'm no donating another monitor [TS]

  that's what I'm saying have so many [TS]

  memories in that monitor well not [TS]

  anymore they're all there on China that [TS]

  there's some kiddo that it wearing a top [TS]

  hat in China that's like sorting through [TS]

  them got to pick a pocket or two and [TS]

  he's a he's going to employ them in the [TS]

  next and the next [TS]

  well probably their neighborhood stick [TS]

  fights over there already [TS]

  there and that's where they started [TS]

  right that they started in the in the [TS]

  CRT minds [TS]

  oh is that right that's the case the [TS]

  cradle of stick fights [TS]

  yep well spotted there's so much going [TS]

  on and understand John I have so many [TS]

  questions [TS]

  well me too and not particularly when [TS]

  supertrain technology starts ramping up [TS]

  and all that that hard impact plastic [TS]

  that all that stuff is made of can be [TS]

  converted back into cooking on you can [TS]

  just just just send people in each gram [TS]

  and just say congratulations you've been [TS]

  acquired your dick ends in china village [TS]

  of CRT monitors has been acquired [TS]

  oh so I so I feel pretty strongly that [TS]

  that all this is happening with you and [TS]

  that you know I kind of want to get out [TS]

  ahead of it not just for me but for my [TS]

  family [TS]

  it's everything is getting harder to [TS]

  understand you know i mean to go back to [TS]

  your example of the thrift store [TS]

  i mean i-i don't know if this is true [TS]

  but my sense was I think this is [TS]

  probably mostly true that when i was [TS]

  spending a lot of time in three stores [TS]

  in the early to mid eighties I think it [TS]

  was probably mostly as simple as this [TS]

  people would die and their family would [TS]

  collect all their belongings and drop [TS]

  them off at Goodwill because what are [TS]

  you gonna do with all these old tiny [TS]

  shirts somebody maybe laundries them [TS]

  maybe and then put some on a hanger two [TS]

  dollars shirts or two dollars all the [TS]

  shirts two dollars long sleeve shirts [TS]

  three dollars whatever but their shirts [TS]

  and they're all from problem guessing [TS]

  from people in the community [TS]

  my sense is it has not been that way in [TS]

  years i think this collection centers [TS]

  jet that up to somewhere else they pluck [TS]

  out some of the stuff here to send the [TS]

  kindergarten people in New York this [TS]

  other stuff here gets turned into bath [TS]

  mats and but it all gets redistributed [TS]

  there's a lot of trucking involved in [TS]

  the donation business there's a lot of [TS]

  trucking and a tremendous amount of [TS]

  sordin that I don't fully understand [TS]

  like I always imagined we need a monocle [TS]

  they're seeing something we don't see ya [TS]

  anyway that's why that's a garment or or [TS]

  CRT monitor you cannot possibly have [TS]

  enough ppl highly-trained that they can [TS]

  that mean it has to be like [TS]

  it has to be like a sluice box right [TS]

  seven different increasingly small [TS]

  layers of likely the finest of a screen [TS]

  in like mining yeah exactly like here's [TS]

  the big screen [TS]

  we're just gonna take everything that [TS]

  smells like vomit stops here doesn't [TS]

  mean it can't be used for something [TS]

  that's right but it's but it stops here [TS]

  and we're gonna funnel all the vomit [TS]

  stuff over here and then at the next [TS]

  level are all the things that we plug in [TS]

  and they start immediately to smell like [TS]

  smoke and we're going to find all those [TS]

  over here and then on the other side of [TS]

  that all right now all all the clothes [TS]

  at least have been bombing tested and [TS]

  all the electronic stuff at least [TS]

  doesn't catch on fire so then that goes [TS]

  to another special group that can look [TS]

  at stuff more closely and say alright [TS]

  this doesn't smell like vomit but it [TS]

  definitely has vomited on it uh-huh [TS]

  and so then maybe like this something [TS]

  like you and me we're looking at sighs [TS]

  we're looking at color [TS]

  we're looking at brand we're looking at [TS]

  the quality but we we may not be seeing [TS]

  the memories that are literally being [TS]

  mined out of old men shirts [TS]

  that's right and the thing is by the [TS]

  time that it by the time that the [TS]

  millions and millions of items are are [TS]

  filtered to the level that we can be [TS]

  worried about size and color who think [TS]

  about all of the thing about all the [TS]

  tons and tons of materials and memories [TS]

  that have been that have been like [TS]

  screened and where did all that stuff go [TS]

  I mean it onto a barge to CRT town or [TS]

  alternately to what I imagine is some [TS]

  kind of garment village high up in the [TS]

  Vulcan mountains of Romania her foo [TS]

  where they are taking all that garment [TS]

  all that vomit garment and weaving it [TS]

  online also memories don't weigh a lot [TS]

  and you think that even while some [TS]

  memories can be pretty heavy but you but [TS]

  you take the corpus of data and that [TS]

  probably goes into some kind of an AI I [TS]

  don't know if we're at that level yet i [TS]

  mean i don't know how we even know for [TS]

  at that level yet I feel like that [TS]

  goodwill does not make any sense it [TS]

  doesn't make any sense and I do I feel [TS]

  like they're they're probably filled and [TS]

  filled [TS]

  in fields like the plum st a coil fields [TS]

  but instead of like oil derricks and and [TS]

  Blake burning pit fires there are just [TS]

  like The Velveteen rabbits with one [TS]

  broken leg of people's memories just [TS]

  sort of limping hobbling across this [TS]

  plain have you ever seen a rabbit with a [TS]

  broken leg me a living one [TS]

  yeah live rabbit that's like you know [TS]

  that sounds horrible it's terrible [TS]

  because the thing about a rabbit bunny [TS]

  wants to hop everybody wants to hop and [TS]

  also rabbit legs are that's a big part [TS]

  of a rabbit their hind legs and they're [TS]

  making way the ears in the legs [TS]

  anybody's got a fat rat [TS]

  well yeah and a you know rabbit's foot I [TS]

  mean remember to remember when everybody [TS]

  had a rabbit's foot [TS]

  it's just what she did I and I wanted [TS]

  one and I never I never had 1i think [TS]

  they used to be real feet from rabbits [TS]

  they were and my mom didn't want me to [TS]

  have a rabbit's foot it was something [TS]

  you got at the state fair [TS]

  no no it's got a bad juju feeling to it [TS]

  yeah right but people had rather their [TS]

  key chains were rabbits feet [TS]

  what is that about I'm just about that [TS]

  for the first time now [TS]

  yeah yeah a lucky rabbit's foot [TS]

  yeah that's what they were called I [TS]

  don't I test something like that now [TS]

  today you get a dreamweaver not a dream [TS]

  people it's called give me a catcher now [TS]

  I don't think you do get a dreamcatcher [TS]

  I mean you know back then you would get [TS]

  a Pepsi bottle that had been an [TS]

  elongated oh sure you melt it down [TS]

  really long Pepsi bottle but anyway but [TS]

  the thing about a rabbit is its foot and [TS]

  its leg is a big part of how big it is [TS]

  but the rabbit knows when it's what is [TS]

  fully functioning the rabbit kind of [TS]

  keeps its feet kind of tucked underneath [TS]

  itself [TS]

  yeah so when a rabbit is just kind of [TS]

  sitting there is justly with his little [TS]

  nose going you don't realize how how big [TS]

  his coiled haunches are but when a [TS]

  rabbit has been injured and one of those [TS]

  legs is is askew or dragging well then [TS]

  it's like oh my god this read that [TS]

  that's a big part of that rabbit that's [TS]

  not working right now and that is how i [TS]

  imagine most people's dreams are once [TS]

  they've been removed from [TS]

  the vomit garments or the CRT what's the [TS]

  most the memories have been liberated [TS]

  from clothing or context there like a [TS]

  limp limp rabbit there like a wounded [TS]

  rabbit and then just wandering around a [TS]

  baked plane that smells like oil there [TS]

  and maybe they're just hanging onto [TS]

  those because they know it's gonna be [TS]

  useful for something they're just not [TS]

  sure yet they haven't built the AI yet [TS]

  and they don't want to get rid of all [TS]

  these rabbits unless and until they have [TS]

  like fully mind the markets not ready [TS]

  for that [TS]

  oh my goodness that's a different [TS]

  screenplay much worse shape play [TS]

  yeah I'm sure thinking about it though [TS]

  I'm thinking about I'm yeah yeah you [TS]

  know what I gotta quit thinking about [TS]

  the second-hand market it's a it's too [TS]

  strange and then like you got the whole [TS]

  recycling thing that's not to beat the [TS]

  recycling thing to death but like I've [TS]

  read a couple of things lately that make [TS]

  me think that recycling is not as simple [TS]

  to understand as we've been led to [TS]

  believe I don't think it is at all i [TS]

  think it's basically garbage plus i [TS]

  think it's like the premium garbage [TS]

  where the way I understand it is like [TS]

  you know like when you go to the airport [TS]

  or you go to the food court or you go to [TS]

  wherever and now there's like three four [TS]

  five different barrels they're all [TS]

  labeled differently it's on credit I [TS]

  someone the other day where it was food [TS]

  only plastic bottles and trash and it's [TS]

  whatever whatever happened to [TS]

  compostable cups like that's really [TS]

  weird but you know sometimes at the [TS]

  airport that will stay right there [TS]

  put all your junk in here will be sorted [TS]

  off-site trust me right [TS]

  and so I don't know I want to be I want [TS]

  to be a game or about it but you know [TS]

  the thing is like it apparently it turns [TS]

  out there's not always a market that [TS]

  benefits groups say saving green bottles [TS]

  you heard this [TS]

  yeah what up you go on well what what [TS]

  I've heard I don't know if that's true [TS]

  but I mean I think there's I don't know [TS]

  that there are some things that are kind [TS]

  of perennial like there's a increasingly [TS]

  small amount of money you can get for [TS]

  for example like cans i think the way [TS]

  they make money from Kansas mostly is [TS]

  the deposit in a place like San [TS]

  Francisco ditto ditto for bottles but [TS]

  supposedly I mean it was like to clean [TS]

  those bottles and reusing them they're [TS]

  not like coke bottles for not anymore [TS]

  right right and so but the story goes [TS]

  and you tell me if you've heard the same [TS]

  thing you know how you know entrĂ©es [TS]

  into the corridors of power it's my [TS]

  understanding that maybe this month [TS]

  hey you know what it's actually there's [TS]

  there's not enough money for us to [TS]

  transport all these green bottles so [TS]

  we'll take him to the dump [TS]

  wow I don't know if that's true but [TS]

  that's what I hear I don't think it's a [TS]

  job because all the money is in scale [TS]

  and arbitrage like so many things in [TS]

  life so I when I reflect on the way that [TS]

  I use my own recycling compost and [TS]

  garbage bins which now Seattle has [TS]

  extended to recycling compost and [TS]

  landfill garbage and well let that we [TS]

  just we just introduced a new 24 [TS]

  yeah we have for now oh my god and man [TS]

  like mandated if you put food and food [TS]

  waste in the garbage now it's against [TS]

  the law they I get frustrated sometimes [TS]

  with our neighbors well that they've [TS]

  gotten better but the the previous [TS]

  person who lived there and since moved [TS]

  out I think she took a certain amount of [TS]

  joy and willfully I'll i hate this is I [TS]

  think she was deliberately pushing my [TS]

  buttons that she would take you the [TS]

  thing about the computer and it's got a [TS]

  sandwich of styrofoam you got like two [TS]

  different pieces she would go in and [TS]

  just stuff to giant pieces of styrofoam [TS]

  into the compost like that was a thing [TS]

  Wow now what she doesn't know or doesn't [TS]

  care about is like I i use the compost [TS]

  like we compost a lot [TS]

  yeah and we recycle a lot and here's the [TS]

  thing the guy with the mustache that MPs [TS]

  are trash or you know puts are all of [TS]

  our different buckets into his truck on [TS]

  Tuesday mornings he's watching although [TS]

  he is rather he's watching us that you [TS]

  know what I think he gets ding if a [TS]

  bunch of plastic goes into the into its [TS]

  own homes [TS]

  I think I think he's going to get notes [TS]

  if he doesn't get it right and then so [TS]

  then he just put it down you know new [TS]

  dealer and then he puts up [TS]

  passive-aggressive sign on that says you [TS]

  check off what what I'm not taking [TS]

  because you did it now I'm stuck with [TS]

  styrofoam in the compost for a week so [TS]

  so this is the thing when i think about [TS]

  my own relationship to all these bins [TS]

  yeah I realized that I am I am presuming [TS]

  that on the other end there is someone [TS]

  with a master's degree who understands [TS]

  my intention [TS]

  and hand sorts each thing that I send [TS]

  their way with the same care and thought [TS]

  that I have put into which bin to put [TS]

  them in and how to arrange them who was [TS]

  behind of the refugees correspondence [TS]

  yeah exactly because it's like there's [TS]

  some rule where I lids go in the garbage [TS]

  unless a lid is eight inches or six [TS]

  inches across and then those lids go in [TS]

  the recycling well I can't leave me like [TS]

  I like a soldier's coffee lid [TS]

  yeah like a lid from a jar food so if [TS]

  your lid it's it's basically like [TS]

  halibut fishing you know i had never [TS]

  heard this if your lid is under 6 inches [TS]

  yet to throw a wetback but if your lid [TS]

  is over six inches then it it's in a [TS]

  special category of lids that go to it [TS]

  get that and I imagine at the recycling [TS]

  plant the lids go by and there's someone [TS]

  there paid [TS]

  I you know with again with a like a [TS]

  jeweler's loupe and a and a and a [TS]

  yardstick that's grabbing lids off the [TS]

  conveyor belt is like the lids are mine [TS]

  I'm the lid the lid person and they are [TS]

  all they have a separate kind of man [TS]

  they're sorting lids and they have plans [TS]

  for all the lids and that because the [TS]

  thing is it's not by MIT it's not by [TS]

  composition write a plastic lid that's [TS]

  over six inches and a metal lid that's [TS]

  over six inches both fulfilled the [TS]

  six-inch rule but they are made of [TS]

  completely different stuff and so as as [TS]

  far as I read the instructions both of [TS]

  those lids are recyclable whereas a [TS]

  4-inch lid that's made of aluminum and a [TS]

  4-inch little that's made a plastic both [TS]

  go in the garbage and so when I picture [TS]

  the recycling center i think of it as a [TS]

  miraculous place it literally is where [TS]

  the idea of super train came from a that [TS]

  this like this temple where hundreds of [TS]

  trained people are going through our [TS]

  garbage and turning that garbage into [TS]

  the Diamonds of remade repurposed like [TS]

  basic materials but i but as you as you [TS]

  say and as I think about it now of [TS]

  course that's not happening it's all [TS]

  just going into the it's all going into [TS]

  a freight car and just being dumped in [TS]

  the ocean because the truth is if this [TS]

  whole process is not confusing though [TS]

  the more confusing this process is the [TS]

  more likely it is they're actually doing [TS]

  something with any of the stuff if you [TS]

  use everything called recycling and [TS]

  every throw stuff in there but that's a [TS]

  pretty good chance a lot of stuff gets [TS]

  thrown away [TS]

  thrown away [TS]

  right and I think about when we started [TS]

  doing recycling at my college circa [TS]

  nineteen eighty-six we clean up after a [TS]

  party and we would have different [TS]

  garbage cans [TS]

  this one is for aluminum cans right this [TS]

  one's for clear bottles this one's for [TS]

  green bottles this one's for brown [TS]

  bottles because no reset back to make [TS]

  sure the technology's changed or I [TS]

  imagine it has but back then that if you [TS]

  wanted to go get the stuff recycled you [TS]

  do the sorting yourself right there was [TS]

  just just just pure acceptance at that [TS]

  place it did that but you had to like [TS]

  bring the right stuff that's right i [TS]

  delete things perplexing to me because [TS]

  what do you do what what do they do with [TS]

  plastic to recycle it they melted [TS]

  I keep thinking that that's what happens [TS]

  that they that they melt it down and get [TS]

  it back to its pure essence which is you [TS]

  know they make dinosaurs out of her and [TS]

  you're like a playground equipment [TS]

  Yeah right there they make they make our [TS]

  higher our nation's highways something's [TS]

  not right [TS]

  something something something feels [TS]

  weird about this and this is why I this [TS]

  is why i feel like the next technology [TS]

  and if I were Elon Musk [TS]

  I would stand boy if I were here lon [TS]

  must boy where would we start but one of [TS]

  the things i would be building i would [TS]

  stop building a spaceplane i think that [TS]

  the spaceplane thing like every [TS]

  billionaires got a space program right [TS]

  now and no billionaire it seems to me [TS]

  has is working on cool public transit [TS]

  and I think what we need are [TS]

  billionaires that are working on public [TS]

  transit and affordable like housing and [TS]

  the solution to the homeless problem and [TS]

  fewer billionaires that are working on [TS]

  space programs like one or two [TS]

  billionaire driven space programs i feel [TS]

  like we're covered in that area but the [TS]

  fact that there there's not a single [TS]

  billionaire that's working on like [TS]

  shelters for homeless families feels [TS]

  like grains balance but if I were Elon [TS]

  Musk I would be working on an a counter [TS]

  we have really feel like this is this is [TS]

  first principles of Roderick on the line [TS]

  yeah like a countertop recycling thing [TS]

  that's about this it's maybe bigger than [TS]

  a sodastream smaller than a than a pony [TS]

  keg [TS]

  and it's the opposite of a 3d printer [TS]

  everyone's doing 3d printing now look at [TS]

  that you can make it a gun or a keychain [TS]

  we're saying the opposite that we're [TS]

  saying that's right take what's already [TS]

  there make it go away [TS]

  that's right using 3d on printer you put [TS]

  anything literally anything in the slot [TS]

  anything that will fit in the slot you [TS]

  put in the slot the Machine analyzes its [TS]

  composition and then goes about whatever [TS]

  process it [TS]

  it requires to either melt the metal or [TS]

  or the the hydro floor fluorocarbon sue [TS]

  for the chlorofluorocarbons apart [TS]

  cooking oil in their absolute well why [TS]

  would you because that's what rate [TS]

  between coffee I don't drink and you [TS]

  know coffee when I was a kid you always [TS]

  put your grease into a folgers can my [TS]

  wife won't let out that allow that into [TS]

  the house because she's fancy well yeah [TS]

  yeah you with your grease boy we it [TS]

  becomes like a rabbit hutch like we have [TS]

  to wait for it to cool off a little bit [TS]

  and then you put my wife will cut the [TS]

  top off of a Salter can pour it into [TS]

  their like an animal and then what did [TS]

  you do [TS]

  I don't know she wants me to throw it [TS]

  away but in this case you're saying [TS]

  maybe if I understand that this gets to [TS]

  the right level of sophistication it's [TS]

  somewhere between the opposite of 3d [TS]

  printer in a microwave and let's be [TS]

  honest to dispose all but like you could [TS]

  put grease in there because that could [TS]

  be running somebody's car in your [TS]

  neighborhood because there's a local [TS]

  collection center that decides what to [TS]

  do with it based on area neighborhood [TS]

  allocations well so ultimately yeah [TS]

  right at the end of the at the end of [TS]

  the the week you'd have a little brick [TS]

  of carbon probably a big brick of carbon [TS]

  you have a little brick of silver a [TS]

  little brick of platinum a little brick [TS]

  of a plutonium a little brick of my very [TS]

  small break of plutonium you have a you [TS]

  have a jar of cooking oil you have a jar [TS]

  of motor oil and and then you can either [TS]

  sell those on the market or you could [TS]

  put them you can plug them into your 3d [TS]

  printers where you would then use all [TS]

  those materials again to to build your [TS]

  own you know [TS]

  garter belts or or sure or whatever it [TS]

  was you're like an on-demand garterbelt [TS]

  yeah because what are the building [TS]

  blocks of things oil right carbon value [TS]

  well yeah nursing [TS]

  right right family damn that's right [TS]

  love love love love is always missing [TS]

  ingredient right and so you so you just [TS]

  you think about you you look over here [TS]

  like hear the things i need this week [TS]

  and I need the following materials to [TS]

  make those things and then here are the [TS]

  things i'm throwing away this week and [TS]

  these are the component elements of [TS]

  those like I didn't have the [TS]

  neighborhood thing that we're almost [TS]

  like you like right now we think nothing [TS]

  about having a place in Florida where [TS]

  all the water drains off into a pond [TS]

  like where there's also a way that all [TS]

  the resources of your of your small [TS]

  neighborhood your block could be [TS]

  reallocated on an on-demand basis so you [TS]

  talk about to take a penny leave a penny [TS]

  two a penny penny if you need if you [TS]

  need an on-demand aluminum garterbelt [TS]

  that could be delayed deliveries you get [TS]

  this get this guy over here is taking [TS]

  all the course light maybe you got an [TS]

  automobile that can run on french fries [TS]

  and that could be sluiced out of this [TS]

  guy here plays a lot of online games [TS]

  right so the colors like guys like Oh [TS]

  what am I gonna do with all these cans [TS]

  and two doors down [TS]

  there's somebody that's like what am I [TS]

  gonna get the aluminum to build my my [TS]

  own myspace looking ongoing existential [TS]

  swapmeet leave a penny take a penny [TS]

  leave a penny take a pen mhm and I think [TS]

  it's important to a lot of people say [TS]

  take a penny leave a penny I say leave a [TS]

  penny two a penny you say leave a [TS]

  paycheck upending it starts with leaving [TS]

  a penny you know em you know here's [TS]

  another thing about me hard it's gonna [TS]

  be to build I feel like you on must [TS]

  should be thinking about by comparison [TS]

  not difficult it's going to take some [TS]

  resources it's going to take some time [TS]

  it's going to take some adjustment is [TS]

  going to take some retrofitting but [TS]

  people are always doing stuff like [TS]

  getting new windows or air conditioning [TS]

  like how hard it'd be you get a tattoo a [TS]

  sluice and maybe that could be a 3d [TS]

  printer too so people are always coming [TS]

  up to me at at Comic Cons and such as [TS]

  yeah what is super train coming and I'm [TS]

  like you know what I'm starting to say [TS]

  to people like you know make your own [TS]

  supertrain yes right [TS]

  like when wet when is super train coming [TS]

  what about now like super train starts [TS]

  at home super super train is it's like a [TS]

  last-minute party you know the thing is [TS]

  it's a last-minute party in the sense [TS]

  that it's going to be as good as what [TS]

  everybody brings so if you show up the [TS]

  last minute party like this is losing [TS]

  its like fuck you go out and buy some [TS]

  ice like do that brings something to the [TS]

  party [TS]

  you're saying supertrain is Stone Soup [TS]

  it's no I'm not [TS]

  ah here's one thing I've been thinking [TS]

  about it and I don't get too serious but [TS]

  i have been thinking about this a little [TS]

  bit that like when I think i read what [TS]

  you say in your campaign and hear what [TS]

  you saying your campaign and like we [TS]

  have the conversation probably not a [TS]

  couple months ago about stuff like I [TS]

  mean I'll put this in my words and then [TS]

  you tell me if it's even near right but [TS]

  like okay there's stuff coming right now [TS]

  we are on the verge of a lot of [TS]

  Technology going from m2 like wow we [TS]

  don't know what that's gonna be [TS]

  but what are the smart things we could [TS]

  do to start preparing the way for what [TS]

  could come along and what the example I [TS]

  gave i think was having to deal with [TS]

  like we're not sure [TS]

  here's what we know what we know is that [TS]

  we kind of want to use less oil and have [TS]

  less people driving a single [TS]

  gas-guzzling car around that we've [TS]

  reached peak that shit like now what is [TS]

  next [TS]

  is it self-driving cars maybe isn't [TS]

  publicize it makes it like you said [TS]

  every sidewalk you put down will be torn [TS]

  up someday like how do you how do you [TS]

  make that easy to deal with in the [TS]

  future so i'm trying to think more about [TS]

  like what does that mean in like 125 [TS]

  years is it something that you can do in [TS]

  125 year terms how do you start making [TS]

  fewer dumb decisions and more scalable [TS]

  roll packable fixable decisions [TS]

  yeah and and in particular it's really [TS]

  hard especially when you're campaigning [TS]

  for office but really hard in general to [TS]

  see your cell and we talk about this all [TS]

  the time but to see yourself or to see [TS]

  ourselves as in the middle of the stream [TS]

  you know between hither and thither and [TS]

  so everybody wants a everybody wants a [TS]

  solution based on where we are right now [TS]

  because it seems like this is always the [TS]

  end of history and to to be running for [TS]

  office and advocating in some respects [TS]

  for like hey what we should do right now [TS]

  I mean with what we should have done in [TS]

  seattle was build a transit network 40 [TS]

  years ago we didn't do it and we should [TS]

  have built 20 years ago and we didn't do [TS]

  it and we shouldn't even built a 10 [TS]

  years ago and we didn't but now we're at [TS]

  a place where [TS]

  everywhere you look there's a new [TS]

  transportation technology about to come [TS]

  online i mean really in every in every [TS]

  aspect is I mean top of my head you have [TS]

  the self-driving cars which is something [TS]

  that one or two years ago I looked at [TS]

  what are you even kidding me and now I [TS]

  can't believe we're not doing it [TS]

  I mean just the data on how much better [TS]

  decisions something like that could make [TS]

  you've got stuff like drones right [TS]

  you've got not necessarily kind of [TS]

  killed people in other countries but [TS]

  you've got smaller like kind of personal [TS]

  sighs you know remote controllable [TS]

  aircraft heavily unregulated right words [TS]

  from the other things [TS]

  ok magazine what you can do with [TS]

  electric it right the ability to store [TS]

  electricity has vastly changed in the [TS]

  last five years and that's ultimately [TS]

  the whole game because five years ago it [TS]

  was like electric cars what if you want [TS]

  to drive 10 miles and now it's like no [TS]

  they're electric-powered things are [TS]

  going to electric power things already [TS]

  work 99 percent of the trips that we [TS]

  take would already be electric power and [TS]

  so you have all these other things that [TS]

  electricity can do like all those weird [TS]

  bicycles that people use to retrofit [TS]

  little motors to like you [TS]

  we're very quickly going to see bicycles [TS]

  that if you that our electric augmented [TS]

  powered up hills so you ride your bike [TS]

  you're having fun on your bike and then [TS]

  you come to a big hill and you engage an [TS]

  electric motor that runs you up the hill [TS]

  and it's not you know that that [TS]

  technology exists now but it makes bikes [TS]

  really heavy and awkward and you know [TS]

  and it's just going to be it's going to [TS]

  be kind of seamlessly integrated and all [TS]

  the people running around town on [TS]

  segways that we look at and mock and say [TS]

  like oh my God look at you with this you [TS]

  know on the one you're silly a Segway [TS]

  like really that was a technology that [TS]

  was 10 or 15 years ahead of its time but [TS]

  all the different permutations of that [TS]

  the the kind of personal mobility a [TS]

  scooter platform skateboard [TS]

  as the as batteries get better and [TS]

  motors get more efficient and all that [TS]

  stuff gets better they're going to be [TS]

  incredible innovations in terms of [TS]

  people just like hopping on a little [TS]

  platform and it's whisks them two here [TS]

  and two there that always happen but [TS]

  then there's also all these advances in [TS]

  rail that are I mean either you know the [TS]

  big excitement of this train that people [TS]

  keep saying they're going to build and [TS]

  they're not building of the you know the [TS]

  vacuum tube train or the maglev train [TS]

  from San Francisco to Los Angeles the [TS]

  technology actually is there it's just [TS]

  how do you get the political will in the [TS]

  money to build a this link right but you [TS]

  could build it and have a train that [TS]

  goes from LA to san francisco in one [TS]

  hour [TS]

  haha that would be so amazing and so [TS]

  it's so it's a question of like all [TS]

  right here we are we're at the [TS]

  technological level and is that the [TS]

  direction that we're going are we going [TS]

  to build that are we not [TS]

  are these little scooters that i [TS]

  imagining and little skateboards and [TS]

  little electric-powered kind of mobility [TS]

  devices with what direction are those [TS]

  going to take i can see that i can see [TS]

  it but that doesn't necessarily mean [TS]

  that that's where people i mean you [TS]

  definitely know that if tony hawk can [TS]

  invest in an electric skateboard that [TS]

  goes up hills that is still that still [TS]

  functions as a skateboard for a while at [TS]

  least you know like that's app that's [TS]

  gonna happen and so so from from the [TS]

  standpoint of like we we need to make a [TS]

  huge investment in transportation it's [TS]

  it's really unusual and weird to be in a [TS]

  position to say like what we actually [TS]

  should probably do right now is put our [TS]

  finger in the dike make the short term [TS]

  investments to keep stuff running so [TS]

  that we don't really scare [TS]

  you up this transition and then [TS]

  everybody put their heads together and [TS]

  try and start seeing like what's what [TS]

  what is the future really gonna look [TS]

  like because I know at uber I know up in [TS]

  the boardroom at huber those guys when [TS]

  they're not playing nerf basketball and [TS]

  like sexually harassing one another they [TS]

  are imagining in the very near term a [TS]

  world where there are no drivers when [TS]

  we're sober is in control of a vast [TS]

  network of of centrally controlled [TS]

  autonomous vehicles who and we all pull [TS]

  out our phones and uber become [TS]

  synonymous with transportation and we [TS]

  plot the phone and the car whisks up we [TS]

  get in it takes us where we're going it [TS]

  hit it subtracts a certain amount of [TS]

  bitcoins from are you know from our [TS]

  online account we never even think about [TS]

  it it's not even a thing that you have [TS]

  to it's not a transaction you have to do [TS]

  it's all just happening you pull out [TS]

  your phone you just say out loud to your [TS]

  google glass I need a car and there's [TS]

  one there in two seconds and it's run by [TS]

  uber that's absolutely what they are [TS]

  imagining they don't want drivers they [TS]

  want to eliminate drivers and they will [TS]

  and for most of us consumers we're going [TS]

  to be like this is great i just started [TS]

  just walk over and sending a car and one [TS]

  appears and it takes me there and I [TS]

  don't have to talk to anybody and then [TS]

  and I don't have to do a transaction it [TS]

  just takes it just at the end of the [TS]

  it's just another eel that's sucking on [TS]

  me and at the end of the month my bill [TS]

  gets paid automatically and and i'm just [TS]

  working for the company store whatever [TS]

  but how do city's plan for that and how [TS]

  do cities say like winter we don't want [TS]

  to Bert ubi the we don't want them [TS]

  controlling that infrastructure but but [TS]

  they are working hard to build it if we [TS]

  don't want them to do it we would have [TS]

  to get involved we would have to [TS]

  envision it and do it ourselves or [TS]

  or regulated and the results the results [TS]

  are mean with uber in particular the [TS]

  results are so fast the results are so [TS]

  immediate and the results have such a [TS]

  high positive impact on influential [TS]

  people with money [TS]

  mhm right and i don't mean to make this [TS]

  you know overly political but I am I saw [TS]

  blood poster of an article the other day [TS]

  where none of it the nut is basically [TS]

  it's difficult it's difficult to be [TS]

  punctual when you're poor like how hard [TS]

  it is just how much more friction there [TS]

  is to everything if you like the more [TS]

  you have your own control over your time [TS]

  and in this case your transportation [TS]

  like the more options for convenience [TS]

  and punctuality that you have I mean you [TS]

  can get there early and get a coffee [TS]

  unless you're getting two buses that may [TS]

  or may not have you know time transfers [TS]

  and stuff like that right well yeah [TS]

  unless you have to figure out who's [TS]

  gonna watch your kids all right yeah [TS]

  exactly yeah but you know the other [TS]

  thing I keep thinking about 9i I campus [TS]

  I can't just thinking out loud is that [TS]

  you know if you think about the stuff [TS]

  that the infrastructure stuff that [TS]

  succeeds over time I mean at some point [TS]

  it starts out being completely bananas [TS]

  and maybe even proprietary and then [TS]

  eventually it becomes adopted and then [TS]

  at some point it becomes you know [TS]

  wasteful or obviated inefficient out of [TS]

  out of the times but you know I'm [TS]

  thinking about stuff along the lines of [TS]

  railroads and then the gauge of tracks [TS]

  right like at some point i don't know [TS]

  i'm sure you know way more about this [TS]

  than i did but at some point in order to [TS]

  have railroads where everybody's cars to [TS]

  go everywhere we had to agree on a [TS]

  certain age of track in order to have [TS]

  rifles where you could have replaceable [TS]

  parts and having a assembly line to [TS]

  standardize things like what those parts [TS]

  are in and the level of quality and each [TS]

  of those things [TS]

  shit I mean look at the bricks in a [TS]

  building like what if half the bricks [TS]

  broke or the CAF the bricks were an [TS]

  eighth of an inch bigger on one side or [TS]

  whatever it there has to be some way of [TS]

  standardizing whose lego set we're going [TS]

  to use for this I can go to any place in [TS]

  America that has electric plugs and plug [TS]

  in a 1 10 you know the device and it'll [TS]

  just work unless something's very very [TS]

  wrong [TS]

  it seems like that's the part that's [TS]

  trickiest it isn't that we need another [TS]

  billionaire to figure out what to build [TS]

  with the existing LEGO sets we need [TS]

  somebody who can create open lego sets [TS]

  that will let new kinds of flexibility [TS]

  emerge and I literally cannot think of a [TS]

  better analogy than that but whatever [TS]

  ends up happening with roads [TS]

  it can't be suddenly just caters to the [TS]

  people who moved to town in the last [TS]

  three years and have a nice car that [TS]

  they like to drive like that's that [TS]

  doesn't feel like the future that feels [TS]

  like the past [TS]

  well and this is where this is where [TS]

  like I the other day I was driving along [TS]

  and I and a mini van drove by me and it [TS]

  was an apple maps minivan an apple maps [TS]

  is now finally sort of getting around to [TS]

  the three-dimensional mapping [TS]

  three-dimensional photographic mapping [TS]

  of the world that Google's been doing [TS]

  for a long time and it it a bit rattled [TS]

  me because I remember the moment in my [TS]

  own life where Apple decided that in [TS]

  their relationship with google because [TS]

  remember the original iphones all had [TS]

  google maps absolutely and then Google [TS]

  decided that they weren't sharing all [TS]

  the metadata they were collecting with [TS]

  apple and google was like no no all that [TS]

  metadata is our proprietary stuff there [TS]

  was a time when the head can google is [TS]

  on the board apple right and and those [TS]

  were those were heady days but then [TS]

  Apple decided at from a business [TS]

  standpoint it made more sense for them [TS]

  to build their own mapping program from [TS]

  the ground up rather than just seed to [TS]

  google all of the data that Google was [TS]

  collecting about where people went and [TS]

  what it was tied to and so what that [TS]

  meant for us the consumers was that all [TS]

  of a sudden our iphones no longer had [TS]

  google maps functionality and we were [TS]

  now all millions of beta testers for [TS]

  apples garbage map program that it took [TS]

  them six years to get to the point where [TS]

  now it only directs me to the wrong [TS]

  address one out of seven asking Brooks I [TS]

  know real talk [TS]

  you've you've been [TS]

  you've had bad experiences with Apple [TS]

  maps like like demonstrable a bad that [TS]

  was flatly wrong experiences with a few [TS]

  apps [TS]

  yup where somebody says hey come to the [TS]

  here's the event and here's the here's [TS]

  the the address and i click on the [TS]

  address and apple loads their map [TS]

  program and puts it puts up in somewhere [TS]

  and I go to that pin and it is though it [TS]

  is completely on the other side so [TS]

  interesting i I've had a handful of bad [TS]

  experiences but at reason i ask is [TS]

  because I i can have to say that of all [TS]

  the things like all the Apple scandals [TS]

  and pseudo scandals over the years the [TS]

  antenna gate and stuff like that amongst [TS]

  normal people like in my family people [TS]

  in my family who are still five within [TS]

  the last three to five years users of [TS]

  apple products that is the one thing [TS]

  that pretty much everybody seems to [TS]

  agree on is that the maps the maps were [TS]

  total shit and now they're mostly shit [TS]

  and they would they actually will go and [TS]

  get and use google maps on the phone [TS]

  yeah i mean i had to because I I because [TS]

  I showed up a half hour late to [TS]

  important appointments right i remember [TS]

  i remember that recent one where you [TS]

  respect as a candidate you're gonna [TS]

  appear somewhere inside you totally [TS]

  wrong place yeah was supposed to it was [TS]

  my first meeting with the Chamber of [TS]

  Commerce and I role in 45 minutes late [TS]

  drenched in sweat apologizing to him and [TS]

  I'm like listen I'm serious candidate [TS]

  I'm not just a goofy musician that [TS]

  doesn't know how to find his way to a [TS]

  building in the center of town my phone [TS]

  misled me [TS]

  yeah i'm going to my whole life yeah my [TS]

  phone told me that your office was on [TS]

  this the south slope of queen anne hill [TS]

  in a in a in a flophouse rather than in [TS]

  the reindeer tower but thanks [TS]

  Apple ID materially but that that's an [TS]

  example yeah but so you know and what [TS]

  that ultimately is its beta vs VHS and [TS]

  and where we are right now is Apple and [TS]

  Facebook and uber and presumably all the [TS]

  the big-three car companies although [TS]

  they're really lagging in this but all [TS]

  the tech companies recognize that this [TS]

  that the self-driving car and the [TS]

  intricate oh and the point of it isn't [TS]

  the car the point of it is that once all [TS]

  cars are connected to one another in a [TS]

  grid of central control [TS]

  then there are no more accidents and [TS]

  then it's than the efficiency of [TS]

  Transportation everything just goes fast [TS]

  and it's connected to the the [TS]

  fundamental premise of why Google Maps [TS]

  my google was collecting that [TS]

  information in the first place if you [TS]

  know where people are where they're [TS]

  going [TS]

  you know and what their history of going [TS]

  places is you have massive knowledge [TS]

  about them and not only that but your [TS]

  you also are charging them to move you [TS]

  around like it's a it's a incredible [TS]

  system of of knowledge and control and [TS]

  every one of those companies is trying [TS]

  to envision that future and and build [TS]

  that system and when they roll it out [TS]

  but that he's my analogy they want to be [TS]

  there Lego set [TS]

  I want to be there lego set and when [TS]

  they roll it out from the consumer [TS]

  standpoint it's it's just going to be [TS]

  like hey uh any cars zip all this is [TS]

  great the future is amazing and the fat [TS]

  we've already acquiesced to these [TS]

  companies knowing you know the [TS]

  geo-locating are photographs and [TS]

  connecting it all to everything you know [TS]

  to our amazon accounts and everything [TS]

  they know about us everybody's just [TS]

  completely rolled over on that privacy [TS]

  stuff that we were so terrified about 15 [TS]

  years ago because of the convenience and [TS]

  the fact that oh it's fine you know when [TS]

  I go into amazon it just knows what I [TS]

  wanted when I put to perturb and when [TS]

  that is when that is true of [TS]

  transportation also i mean it's it [TS]

  there's a lot to philosophize about it [TS]

  right but from the standpoint of a city [TS]

  and the way a city runs you know what's [TS]

  amazing to me is that out that I've gone [TS]

  in and sat in the boardroom of the [TS]

  Teamsters Union here several times and [TS]

  talked to several different groups of [TS]

  Teamsters and in the short term they're [TS]

  very interested in unionizing huber [TS]

  drivers and and because drivers are the [TS]

  that's what the Teamsters are they must [TS]

  see that as a stopgap though [TS]

  well but that's not a thing that they [TS]

  want to talk about they do not want to [TS]

  talk about the fact that all of the [TS]

  technology [TS]

  groups right now are all working [TS]

  furiously to eliminate drivers to [TS]

  eliminate all kinds of drivers and that [TS]

  millions of jobs will disappear [TS]

  truck drivers bus drivers taxi drivers [TS]

  drivers [TS]

  I mean it's a it's a major job for [TS]

  middle-class people right it's all going [TS]

  away and teachers don't want to talk [TS]

  about it and they don't want to think [TS]

  about it right now they want to they [TS]

  want to unionize uber drivers they want [TS]

  to you know get out ahead of of what is [TS]

  the short-term problem which is taxi [TS]

  drivers are unionized but uber drivers [TS]

  aren't but the near term problem which [TS]

  isn't even that far out which is all [TS]

  y'all jobs are going away to be replaced [TS]

  by a you know a massive overarching grid [TS]

  and that is undeniably the future in our [TS]

  lifetimes and we're not talking about [TS]

  who controls it or or how it integrates [TS]

  and and as far as i can tell right now [TS]

  there's like all these companies are be [TS]

  furiously beavering away because nobody [TS]

  wants to be the Betamax so they end up [TS]

  being kind of like the early railroad [TS]

  barons who saw the benefits of having [TS]

  lines that only their cars could go on [TS]

  right so what do you think I mean I mean [TS]

  getting that wrong but I mean they're [TS]

  rather than having a policy that pushes [TS]

  us forward their kind of forcing the [TS]

  hand of all these different groups and [TS]

  making better progress very quickly on [TS]

  all the stuff they want to have happen [TS]

  uh who are you talking about now Oh in [TS]

  the case of somebody like uber I mean I [TS]

  you know how he really put it this way i [TS]

  have i might be on mixed feelings about [TS]

  uber you know where I live [TS]

  yep um there's a lot of nights and days [TS]

  where I just don't get a cab and I've [TS]

  tried for years that's what there was [TS]

  and so I mean I have to admit that I you [TS]

  know I don't remember but it's driven me [TS]

  nuts for years that like on we have [TS]

  hired a babysitter [TS]

  it's date night 143 date nights a year [TS]

  and literally in over three hours we [TS]

  cannot [TS]

  a cab you keep calling you keep calling [TS]

  for getting mad because you keep calling [TS]

  but the thing is every single person [TS]

  that dispatcher is sending them a [TS]

  message that says go way the hell out [TS]

  into the western part of town where you [TS]

  will probably even get a fair back if [TS]

  they see one person on the street on [TS]

  polk street they're gonna pick that [TS]

  person up before they even make it make [TS]

  it to the Panhandle so I mean the part [TS]

  of my frustration is like I'd hate using [TS]

  over but like there's not that much [TS]

  better stuff [TS]

  well I'm not to be somewhere on time but [TS]

  i but I hate what they're doing and I [TS]

  can't believe what they get away with [TS]

  and in the short term like as a [TS]

  politician I have to be confronting uber [TS]

  right now and the fact that [TS]

  yeah they're better service in a lot of [TS]

  ways and and the cab companies are [TS]

  playing catch-up and they're mad and [TS]

  uber is not regulated the same way the [TS]

  cab companies are and that's unfair and [TS]

  uber drivers are treated badly relative [TS]

  to other professional drivers and that [TS]

  has to be regulated and changed the [TS]

  setting aside all the safety stuff and [TS]

  yet the privacy stuff that they've been [TS]

  horrible about to yeah and this is all [TS]

  as a as a as a as a aspiring politician [TS]

  this is all stuff that's right on the [TS]

  table in front of us that we have to [TS]

  deal with in the next year or two but [TS]

  uber uber corporate does not is not [TS]

  playing the short game they don't care [TS]

  they are just they're just trying to [TS]

  keep us all off balance until they can [TS]

  eliminate drivers completely and so we [TS]

  are we're down here you know fighting [TS]

  over bread scraps and the and the big [TS]

  technology companies are our way way out [TS]

  ahead of this and they do they are not [TS]

  worried about you know that they're not [TS]

  worried about the unions and they're not [TS]

  worried about this kind of regulation [TS]

  because they are planning to roll out [TS]

  this massive other thing and the big [TS]

  question is going to be in the in the in [TS]

  10 years when you walk down and you have [TS]

  an apple product [TS]

  on your person and that Apple product is [TS]

  your gateway you your your chip is [TS]

  apple-branded rather than google-branded [TS]

  and you want a car are you going to have [TS]

  access to every car or just the apple [TS]

  branded cars and are not so different [TS]

  from music in some ways like if the [TS]

  stuff you wanna listen to is not on your [TS]

  streaming service here and you're not [TS]

  going to hear it and that should be that [TS]

  should give us pause because that is how [TS]

  these companies have chosen to to handle [TS]

  the world of music or the world of the [TS]

  movies are a lot of the other services [TS]

  that we want like we we have the [TS]

  absolute the technology right now to [TS]

  watch any movie ever and any TV show [TS]

  ever [TS]

  but we can't because the because the [TS]

  apertures are controlled by these [TS]

  different companies and they have [TS]

  different rules and they you know and so [TS]

  so we there is one possible future where [TS]

  you walk out there and whatever whatever [TS]

  the brand on the chip that's your portal [TS]

  is it doesn't matter because it's some [TS]

  are you familiar with the idea of of [TS]

  common carrier so the railroads for [TS]

  instance are what's known as common [TS]

  carriers which means that they have a [TS]

  they have to carry whatever people want [TS]

  to move around right the the railroads [TS]

  are private companies but but you can't [TS]

  let the railroad can't say like well [TS]

  we're not going to carry that boxcar [TS]

  full of stuff because we don't believe [TS]

  you know a woman's right to choose and [TS]

  that boxcar has birth control in it huh [TS]

  right so they have the railroad if you [TS]

  are if you're a business and you need [TS]

  stuff moved around the railroads can't [TS]

  pick and choose within you know within [TS]

  pretty general guidelines they have that [TS]

  this is why this is why when when [TS]

  environmentalists go to Burlington [TS]

  Northern and say stop carrying those oil [TS]

  trains like Burlington Northern can't [TS]

  choose to do that or or maybe to put [TS]

  sharper point on it you couldn't say we [TS]

  refuse to carry replacement parts for [TS]

  our competitors trains right that's them [TS]

  in some kind of specific antitrust II [TS]

  kind of aspect of this right yeah they [TS]

  have to kind of move frayed around [TS]

  that's that that's part of the public [TS]

  trust and you know it ultimately and [TS]

  then this is the thing we've seen with [TS]

  with cab companies over the over the [TS]

  decades right cab companies routinely [TS]

  did not pull over and pick up people of [TS]

  color who were hailing cabs and that was [TS]

  a big thing you know that continues to [TS]

  be a problem but was a major major [TS]

  problem and you know and it's a and it [TS]

  violates the law but what all of this is [TS]

  done by bleeps and bloops right like [TS]

  let's say uber I mean because uber [TS]

  drivers rate their passengers to right [TS]

  yeah so let's say that you have a bad [TS]

  rating and all transportation you know [TS]

  then and and and and basically we we go [TS]

  into this world where you where its [TS]

  autonomous cars everywhere and you can't [TS]

  get a car where it but also it could be [TS]

  something even more subtle than that [TS]

  right where it could be something where [TS]

  it's like it isn't it isn't simply just [TS]

  that we there's not a particular reason [TS]

  but there is an aggregate to the [TS]

  algorithm of deciding who's the most [TS]

  efficient person overtime and best [TS]

  person to pick up em like this is like [TS]

  this is this is a common user this is a [TS]

  VIP this is somebody has a high rating [TS]

  this is somebody who tis good let's look [TS]

  at the most obvious one [TS]

  this is somebody who's leaving a [TS]

  high-traffic area to go to another [TS]

  high-traffic area [TS]

  mm that's very desirable for anybody who [TS]

  drives so for action so that stuff so as [TS]

  we look at the future of Transportation [TS]

  and we think well a lot of our [TS]

  transportation systems are going to get [TS]

  replaced supplanted by this private [TS]

  infrastructure that's being privately [TS]

  developed and is going to roll out on [TS]

  the [TS]

  terms of these private companies we're [TS]

  in a way entering into and the week [TS]

  potentially are entering into a new [TS]

  realm where transportation is privileged [TS]

  and all of the all of the the potential [TS]

  of it which is like true mobility for [TS]

  people true equitable mobility provided [TS]

  by this amazing technology of on-demand [TS]

  cars we squander because we let it be [TS]

  rolled out on a for-profit basis based [TS]

  on these pre-existing like what's your [TS]

  you know do you have a five star rating [TS]

  do you have an almost almost like a like [TS]

  a credit score and there isn't any form [TS]

  of redlining some ways yeah right and [TS]

  cars are you standing there trying to [TS]

  get a car in the rain and they're just [TS]

  going by you going by you because [TS]

  they're going they're off to pick up VIP [TS]

  customers and you're waiting for the you [TS]

  know the ramshackle you're waiting for [TS]

  the intel car or whatever you're waiting [TS]

  for the car that's branded right well [TS]

  branded by chick-fil-a to come get you [TS]

  because it's the only one that will [TS]

  accept uncredited on you know one star [TS]

  past like that the chinatown bus like [TS]

  you you go to this court of last resort [TS]

  that's really consistent in its way but [TS]

  is is not the most convenient thing so [TS]

  that's terrifying to me and that is the [TS]

  thing that I feel like only city's only [TS]

  municipalities only governments can [TS]

  intervene and say no we are going to [TS]

  control this grid we are going to [TS]

  control this system this is a public [TS]

  utility not a private enterprise because [TS]

  it has to it has to serve the public [TS]

  good and that is more important than [TS]

  rewarding investors early investors [TS]

  because what we can see now is that this [TS]

  is inevitable [TS]

  this is a this is where this is our [TS]

  transportation future and transportation [TS]

  is a public good and not it's one thing [TS]

  to sell cars into a thing but private [TS]

  companies don't own the roads and that's [TS]

  what ultimately [TS]

  our future is going to look like they're [TS]

  going to say like oh yeah we'll pay for [TS]

  pay for the roads with taxes but the [TS]

  actual transportation system is going to [TS]

  be privately owned by these tech [TS]

  companies in competition with each other [TS]

  and so cities have to get out of it and [TS]

  they aren't no one is talking about it [TS]

  and we're all arguing about whether or [TS]

  not to unionize uber drivers and we're [TS]

  arguing about what are you know whether [TS]

  to put expect more express buses on the [TS]

  road and it's like you guys we have to [TS]

  be smarter than this but now i'm [TS]

  thinking i guess and I'm I'm merely [TS]

  playing devil's advocate but I think [TS]

  about the position of pharmaceutical [TS]

  industry who you know well you know [TS]

  they're in the business of trying to [TS]

  provide pharmaceuticals that help people [TS]

  have better health but in the interest [TS]

  of doing that they get things like a [TS]

  patent where the only know only and only [TS]

  they can produce this allergy pill for [TS]

  whatever it is 10 years and they say [TS]

  okay well now we're going to change [TS]

  slightly change the capsule on this with [TS]

  a different delivery mechanism a week [TS]

  another 10 years out of that eventually [TS]

  that goes to generics now their case is [TS]

  going to be that there's a huge amount [TS]

  of R&D in that is a huge amount of [TS]

  testing is a huge just ridiculous amount [TS]

  development so you know do we set aside [TS]

  that the argument that in that case they [TS]

  feel like that innovation is what [TS]

  enables them to make those things do we [TS]

  take into account how much of that is to [TS]

  make your Peter hard versus how much it [TS]

  is to really help people with diabetes [TS]

  like where does what where are the lines [TS]

  in deciding what at municipal level [TS]

  we're deciding what private interests [TS]

  can do in a common carrier kind of [TS]

  environment [TS]

  I mean that thing I think there are a [TS]

  lot of cases to be made that the [TS]

  pharmaceutical and industry [TS]

  I like a lot of our medical practice is [TS]

  deeply broken and the and the capitalism [TS]

  that is rife in it it like it not only [TS]

  gives us poorer outcomes are our [TS]

  medicine is worse or treatment is worse [TS]

  that the time factor is you know is a is [TS]

  extended by decades like you could make [TS]

  that case and and and we should be [TS]

  making that case [TS]

  but i think that transportation is in a [TS]

  very different realm then Medicine just [TS]

  in the sense that like pharmaceutical I [TS]

  mean there is a huge difference between [TS]

  boner pills and and heart medicine [TS]

  yeah but the thing part of over success [TS]

  I think has come out of the fact that [TS]

  make just repeat myself that they were a [TS]

  product that people didn't even know how [TS]

  much they wanted people who could afford [TS]

  it and it makes it must make it harder [TS]

  to regulate them since they are so over [TS]

  servicing the people who are in a [TS]

  position of power to decide what's gonna [TS]

  happen with it isn't that part of the [TS]

  struggle [TS]

  yeah well and also its I mean the big [TS]

  part of the struggle is how do you get [TS]

  how do you get governments to have this [TS]

  kind of elasticity and smartness but i [TS]

  think i think a better cop a better [TS]

  comparison is that when electricity was [TS]

  first invented there were probably 10 [TS]

  different people trying to string up [TS]

  independent elect electric utilities in [TS]

  San Francisco who I mean there was [TS]

  Edison and Tesla arguing about whether [TS]

  or not it should be AC or DC there was [TS]

  like that's to an elephant [TS]

  that's right look what it does to an [TS]

  elephant there was a lot of private [TS]

  enterprise and there was a lot of that [TS]

  argument of like well this was expensive [TS]

  and when this is our proprietary [TS]

  knowledge but at a certain point cities [TS]

  realized that providing electrical [TS]

  service was a common good and that it [TS]

  couldn't be [TS]

  we couldn't have 10 different electrical [TS]

  networks we needed one and you know [TS]

  originally there were a lot of different [TS]

  people bringing water to the city and [TS]

  then we had to make that a utility so [TS]

  there-there there's plenty of there are [TS]

  plenty of models where you see where [TS]

  something transitions from a competitive [TS]

  environment and this is why this is the [TS]

  argument for municipal broadband right [TS]

  that a certain point internet high speed [TS]

  internet service passes beyond a [TS]

  threshold where it is just a where where [TS]

  it's a luxury and it becomes a necessity [TS]

  and at the point at which it becomes a [TS]

  necessity than city's needs to step in [TS]

  and make sure that because right now in [TS]

  seattle for instance comcast provides [TS]

  much better much faster and more [TS]

  reliable internet service to the rich [TS]

  neighborhoods into the poor [TS]

  neighborhoods and and you yell at them [TS]

  about it and they go oh we definitely [TS]

  are upgrading as we go and all this [TS]

  stuff but they're not because they have [TS]

  no incentive to write and so what you [TS]

  see is more and more of our life is [TS]

  going online and those companies exhibit [TS]

  less and less of a and and innuendo the [TS]

  the libertarian argument is like why [TS]

  should they [TS]

  you know what why should they provide a [TS]

  public service there are for-profit [TS]

  company and when you come up against [TS]

  that attitude in a thing that becomes a [TS]

  necessity then you say like well then [TS]

  we're going to take that away from you [TS]

  no one had no business has an intrinsic [TS]

  right to the airwaves or really an [TS]

  intrinsic right to any thing that's you [TS]

  know that's just a that is just another [TS]

  argument right it's just capitalism [TS]

  isn't nature any more than anything else [TS]

  and so I mean my argument in seattle is [TS]

  we need a municipal broadband the city [TS]

  should the city should supply internet [TS]

  service the same way supplies [TS]

  electricity and water because internet [TS]

  service is becoming equivalent to those [TS]

  things in terms of that that it needs to [TS]

  be equally provided to every which [TS]

  sounds a little dramatic until you [TS]

  really think about it but if you really [TS]

  if you think about the case of comcast [TS]

  you can see those graphs on how I don't [TS]

  know if it's something that might be [TS]

  revenue enough subscribers but basically [TS]

  in this past month the number of comcast [TS]

  cable the cable cable revenue cable TV [TS]

  revenue has now been equaled by the [TS]

  broadband revenue so do you want to be [TS]

  in our case like that you can have [TS]

  comcast or you can use your phone [TS]

  basically that's it's comcast that [TS]

  that's really all there is in my [TS]

  neighborhood period [TS]

  yeah so I mean do we want to be subject [TS]

  to the to the the [TS]

  with the whims of that a company who's [TS]

  gonna be effective on a national level [TS]

  by different kinds of disruptions in [TS]

  service would you want your local of [TS]

  electricity to you know be insensitive [TS]

  to what's happening and all these other [TS]

  places that might and if the company is [TS]

  running at something has a terrible time [TS]

  in the Northeast so now your service [TS]

  goes bad or something like that I think [TS]

  you want to in October sort of like [TS]

  firewall that service that is now it's [TS]

  become so much more than just a fun way [TS]

  to put people on facebook it's how [TS]

  people conduct their business right it [TS]

  is i mean it's it's absolutely a [TS]

  necessity for rich and poor and the [TS]

  poorest person in seattle is still going [TS]

  to have to log onto the internet to how [TS]

  do you get off its I mean how do you how [TS]

  do you do apply for jobs how to do any [TS]

  of that stuff [TS]

  yeah at the more stuff that we put [TS]

  online the more it becomes a public need [TS]

  a public good and and I think you'll see [TS]

  it with drones to there's there's an [TS]

  argument that like what do you mean that [TS]

  you know I invented this technology [TS]

  drones and then five years from now when [TS]

  our skies are full of unregulated drone [TS]

  traffic your we're going to have to [TS]

  recognize that it's a municipalities [TS]

  it's ultimately like government job to [TS]

  step in and say here are the regulations [TS]

  on drones and all of the drone [TS]

  entrepreneurs are going to scream bloody [TS]

  murder about it but if the drone of [TS]

  entrepreneurs are not regulated then we [TS]

  will be living in a in a Victorian [TS]

  environment [TS]

  except instead of coal smoke its drone [TS]

  noise as every you know as every [TS]

  different you know amazon's running [TS]

  their drones around and UPS has got [TS]

  their drones and and the city of [TS]

  Seattle's got their drones and the news [TS]

  camera drones and then all the private [TS]

  drones and it's just like wait a minute [TS]

  no no no that's not we're not just gonna [TS]

  it cannot be chaos [TS]

  it's like it so much like being able to [TS]

  ride your horse through somebody's yard [TS]

  yeah it's like I no no there has to be [TS]

  some boundaries for like where that's [TS]

  okay and that and and we're coming out [TS]

  of many many decades of lays a faire [TS]

  economics and many many decades of kind [TS]

  of like [TS]

  ratcheting back big the idea of what [TS]

  government does but ultimately [TS]

  government is there to protect us and to [TS]

  make collective decisions and as this [TS]

  and there's a reason that the tech world [TS]

  is libertarian it you know there's a [TS]

  reason that libertarianism is at the [TS]

  core of the tech world [TS]

  well at least of the entrepreneurial [TS]

  part of that the entrepreneurial part [TS]

  yeah um and the and the pushback there's [TS]

  all kinds of hippies making the code but [TS]

  for sure but if you want to be the first [TS]

  to market and get the funding and be the [TS]

  gorilla and you know the same way [TS]

  blu-ray beach HD like you know what my [TS]

  railroad my computer railroad to be the [TS]

  one that wins [TS]

  yeah and and what that's going to do i [TS]

  think is push us into a climate where [TS]

  there's a new brand there's a new [TS]

  understanding of the importance of [TS]

  government and the power of government [TS]

  and and technology is also going to [TS]

  reform government and make it better at [TS]

  what it does and and we're you know [TS]

  we're probably entering into a few [TS]

  decades of of real tussle between [TS]

  between company like tech companies and [TS]

  government as government seeks to assert [TS]

  that a lot of these technologies yes [TS]

  were developed in your laboratories but [TS]

  now they constitute a public good and [TS]

  now they need to they need to conform [TS]

  and and that's exciting [TS]

  it's very exciting because the prospect [TS]

  of autonomously driven electric cars [TS]

  that truly are that truly have a kind of [TS]

  equitability based in Brook baked into [TS]

  them like that is that's truly a social [TS]

  justice issue right people can finally [TS]

  move around without the owner's expense [TS]

  of maintaining and parking and and [TS]

  operating their jalopies I don't think [TS]

  that's what those folks have in mind [TS]

  no I don't think it is what they have in [TS]

  mind at all but that is really the [TS]

  exciting possibility of it and we need [TS]

  to ensure that that's how that that's [TS]

  how it rolls [TS]

  out because I you know I mean if you [TS]

  look at the if you look at the [TS]

  autonomously driven cars that are that [TS]

  are rolling out right now there's a [TS]

  mercedes-benz got one that's just like [TS]

  oh man this is really nice really luxury [TS]

  item these first cars that drive [TS]

  themselves but really in a very short [TS]

  amount of time we're going to realize i [TS]

  think as a group of people that their [TS]

  taxi caps that all of them are taxi caps [TS]

  and nobody's going to own their own one [TS]

  they're all going to be no I mean not to [TS]

  push the analogy but no more than you [TS]

  would own your own private train tracks [TS]

  exactly you don't owe you don't own your [TS]

  own Street you just you know it's it's [TS]

  all owned collectively part of value is [TS]

  that the streets connect with other [TS]

  streets and if you're a super rich dude [TS]

  and you only want to travel around in a [TS]

  super luxury version of of the [TS]

  autonomous car then sure man [TS]

  maybe you have one that's your special [TS]

  one that's great for you but 99% of us [TS]

  are going to be so grateful to never [TS]

  owned a car again [TS]

  I mean honestly the car driving right [TS]

  now and and the cars in my family what [TS]

  we're all talking about this in my [TS]

  family a lot and and the consensus is [TS]

  can we milk these cars until we don't [TS]

  need them and that's that's totally on [TS]

  my mind we have a leased car right now [TS]

  and I i would love for it to be the last [TS]

  Carwyn yeah and and i think we're [TS]

  looking at [TS]

  I mean when I Drive by a car lot right [TS]

  now I'm like these are the last of these [TS]

  or you know there they'll keep making [TS]

  them but but people applied that are [TS]

  like it's going to vary so much by area [TS]

  though because for example [TS]

  ok like two places i've just been [TS]

  recently Boston providence portland I [TS]

  mean boy the needs of those cities can [TS]

  be served in such different ways like [TS]

  the idea of not having a car is a [TS]

  Providence is its mental like you you [TS]

  it's like you know it's maybe not as [TS]

  much as in Florida in Florida is [TS]

  completely mental like you have to have [TS]

  a car period that's the way the whole [TS]

  state is set up whereas here I mean I [TS]

  will [TS]

  the reason we did this my wife needs it [TS]

  to get to work in an efficient way to [TS]

  still have a life but boy I we were [TS]

  right on the bubble [TS]

  I mean we you know if you suck it up a [TS]

  little bit you can make it with public [TS]

  transit and a little bit of lyft and [TS]

  uber but it's it's not it's not there [TS]

  yet but i think it may be way closer [TS]

  than a lot of people you know in a place [TS]

  like Florida or you know Missouri maybe [TS]

  it's coming some places faster than a [TS]

  lot of people realize really i mean san [TS]

  francisco and seattle and portland will [TS]

  be in la will be the first places [TS]

  well maybe for example since I was just [TS]

  going to mention this that I I should [TS]

  track down my reference on this but you [TS]

  know we have a huge problem in san [TS]

  francisco i think it's problem of people [TS]

  basically it's very easy i don't know if [TS]

  it's money or its influence or it's just [TS]

  lying but it's not that hard to get a [TS]

  disabled permit alright in san francisco [TS]

  at which means a you get to park where [TS]

  you want and be you don't have to pay [TS]

  for parking [TS]

  you can park in a meter space with a [TS]

  disabled tech are the people who need [TS]

  those absolutely but the one count i [TS]

  heard is that's there's something like [TS]

  twice as many disabled permits as there [TS]

  are extant metered spaces in San [TS]

  Francisco [TS]

  wow I mean how does that scale up I mean [TS]

  there's so much wrong with that I don't [TS]

  even know where to begin but like that [TS]

  it doesn't add up [TS]

  I mean if it's it's sort of like you [TS]

  said with the like the train between LA [TS]

  and San Francisco like what are your [TS]

  options drive for six to eight hours [TS]

  yeah you can you can take a flight but [TS]

  you end up spending more time in [TS]

  airports and you do in the sky [TS]

  yeah it's completely inefficient when [TS]

  really there's there's these two places [TS]

  here the solution [TS]

  these are two cities that people want to [TS]

  get get from one to the other pretty [TS]

  often more so than other cities is it as [TS]

  fast can you get to burbank that fast [TS]

  no but once you get to LA you go to [TS]

  burbank you'll be good that smile can be [TS]

  accomplished lots of different ways we [TS]

  don't need a train between every city [TS]

  but like there's somewhere like a [TS]

  no-brainer and I feel like I feel like [TS]

  all of this is late-stage capitalism [TS]

  right if you zoom out just a little bit [TS]

  and say okay let's not presume that [TS]

  capitalism as currently practiced is a [TS]

  natural system that that God imposed [TS]

  upon its just you know what it's a [TS]

  thought technology let's just assume for [TS]

  a minute yeah we know is really we know [TS]

  it really is but let's act [TS]

  it's not for just a second yeah let's [TS]

  zoom out and see it for what it is which [TS]

  is at an overlay it's an attempt to [TS]

  resolve a problem with a system and now [TS]

  you can see all of the ways that it is [TS]

  currently failing it is failing to solve [TS]

  the problem of getting from San [TS]

  Francisco to LA for instance that is a [TS]

  problem and it is a problem that [TS]

  technology's there are a lot of [TS]

  technologies we could employ but [TS]

  currently the technologies and the [TS]

  regulatory environment and our concept [TS]

  of private property and the and all that [TS]

  stuff working together is making it very [TS]

  very increasingly difficult not easier [TS]

  it is harder to get from San Francisco [TS]

  to LA now than it was in 1964 because [TS]

  imagine if you'd said that the people [TS]

  back then i can read a bunch era if [TS]

  you'd said it's actually going to take [TS]

  longer and be more resource intensive [TS]

  like all of the highways that we just [TS]

  completed here here we are nineteen [TS]

  sixty all of these highways that we just [TS]

  completed that make it easy to get from [TS]

  place to place and these brand new jet [TS]

  airplanes that are allowing us to get [TS]

  from place to place [TS]

  let me give you a little glimpse of 2015 [TS]

  the highways will be exactly the same [TS]

  and the airplanes will be exactly the [TS]

  same except there will be hundreds of [TS]

  thousands of more people using them [TS]

  we're not going to be using the planes [TS]

  you invented this year we're going to be [TS]

  using planes you invent we're gonna [TS]

  still be using the 757 Yeah Yeah Yeah [TS]

  right like like the the brand-new [TS]

  playing the top-of-the-line jet airplane [TS]

  of 2015 is a minor series of minor [TS]

  improvements over this plantation as [TS]

  Eastern in pain points while you can and [TS]

  you know and the highways to and the [TS]

  internal like you could drive your 1959 [TS]

  Chevy from San Francisco to LA in 1959 [TS]

  and and now and it would take you longer [TS]

  now it would be worse even if the car [TS]

  was pristine and so if you zoom out a [TS]

  little bit and you say ok let's start [TS]

  thinking a little bit bigger and say [TS]

  capitalism is gross okay fine it's great [TS]

  everybody calm down it's fine i'm not a [TS]

  communist I'm not trying to take away [TS]

  your [TS]

  fuckin house I don't want to make a [TS]

  doctor zhivago apartment out of your out [TS]

  of your family home just hush-hush but [TS]

  can we can we step back and say [TS]

  capitalism is an idea it's a thought [TS]

  technology and a lot of irregular a lot [TS]

  of the government regulation we have [TS]

  that is also badly designed is badly [TS]

  designed in conjunction with [TS]

  capitalistic problems like the the [TS]

  regulation responded to the capitalism [TS]

  and the capitalism response to the [TS]

  regulations and that's an unholy [TS]

  relationship and like let's zoom out a [TS]

  little bit and just start to think about [TS]

  some of this stuff a little bit more [TS]

  calmly and purposefully and imagine what [TS]

  a better system we could make with some [TS]

  minor modifications and some of that is [TS]

  like some of that is we have to put caps [TS]

  on how much people can make we really do [TS]

  you can't just invent an app that you [TS]

  can't just invent angry birds and become [TS]

  a billionaire I don't care i understand [TS]

  how it works [TS]

  I understand that you write angry birds [TS]

  and it becomes a smash and then you're [TS]

  cutting you sell your company for a [TS]

  billion dollars but you zoom out a [TS]

  little bit and you realize that's busted [TS]

  that's busted angry birds is great it's [TS]

  fine but it is it isn't worth a billion [TS]

  dollars of our collective resources we [TS]

  should not pay that to you and the fact [TS]

  that we do is crazy and so there has to [TS]

  be some kind of sense of of of [TS]

  equitability by and I don't just mean [TS]

  like a guaranteed universal income but [TS]

  just a sense of like what is your actual [TS]

  contribution what is what what what does [TS]

  this really do and what is this really [TS]

  worth in there and and take this like [TS]

  Wall Street a casino mentality and see [TS]

  it for what it is and and recognize that [TS]

  it doesn't help us [TS]

  and the idea and the argument that that [TS]

  money that the money orgy is the best [TS]

  and most efficient way of directing [TS]

  resources to innovation and directing [TS]

  resources to you know to experimentation [TS]

  and and and that's how you know the [TS]

  money follows at the success and [TS]

  generates success [TS]

  it's just like no no that's crazy that's [TS]

  crazy [TS]

  it's create we are living in a crazy [TS]

  world and we do have the brains and we [TS]

  have the knowledge we have the data we [TS]

  have the instruments to measure how [TS]

  crazy it is and to see it and do better [TS]

  and to do better regulate tomorrow i [TS]

  guess i'm running for public office [TS]

  oh you're kidding yeah tomorrow is [TS]

  election day [TS]