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Ep. 165: "This Explains Everything"

 

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00:00:31   hello hi John hi Merlin is goin good i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/31">TS</a>]

00:00:36   just got to my office and there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/36">TS</a>]

00:00:39   nice gift waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/39">TS</a>]

00:00:41   it's a graphic novel called the Divine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/41">TS</a>]

00:00:43   it was a gift from ryan cons Brooks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/43">TS</a>]

00:00:49   he said that it is a it would be a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/49">TS</a>]

00:00:51   book for Roger on the line because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/51">TS</a>]

00:00:57   has Vietcong and owls and a bomb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/57">TS</a>]

00:01:02   technician and some mysticism how men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/62">TS</a>]

00:01:05   that who isn't that a thoughtful gift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/65">TS</a>]

00:01:08   that's incredibly violent man i love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/68">TS</a>]

00:01:10   getting presence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/70">TS</a>]

00:01:11   yeah graphic novels that should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/71">TS</a>]

00:01:13   been written by us or about us provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/73">TS</a>]

00:01:16   us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/76">TS</a>]

00:01:17   oh you know I have the you know Jeff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/77">TS</a>]

00:01:19   Gordon's fantastic beginning to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/79">TS</a>]

00:01:22   graphic novel i think it still is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/82">TS</a>]

00:01:27   still pregnant with possibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/87">TS</a>]

00:01:29   uh-huh but it would be it would have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/89">TS</a>]

00:01:31   be 7,000 pages we can crowdsource that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/91">TS</a>]

00:01:35   it could be like when they remade Star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/95">TS</a>]

00:01:37   Wars to see a scene at a time you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/97">TS</a>]

00:01:38   browsers have people do a page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/98">TS</a>]

00:01:41   everybody does a page well I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/101">TS</a>]

00:01:43   hopefully find 7,000 people but it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/103">TS</a>]

00:01:45   be like american splendor whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/105">TS</a>]

00:01:47   wherever you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/107">TS</a>]

00:01:48   people would get mad at him and stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/108">TS</a>]

00:01:51   drawing his comic book and then somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/111">TS</a>]

00:01:52   else would start and set the reason i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/112">TS</a>]

00:01:54   don't know i always assumed you seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/114">TS</a>]

00:01:56   like a pretty easy like a pretty prickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/116">TS</a>]

00:01:58   character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/118">TS</a>]

00:01:59   I'll i really loved his work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/119">TS</a>]

00:02:02   particularly the oh yeah all the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/122">TS</a>]

00:02:05   collaborations all great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/125">TS</a>]

00:02:07   I you know I know him i've looked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/127">TS</a>]

00:02:09   American Splendor I haven't spent much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/129">TS</a>]

00:02:10   time with that I mainly know him from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/130">TS</a>]

00:02:12   Letterman yeah where he was just here I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/132">TS</a>]

00:02:14   think amongst the early Letterman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/134">TS</a>]

00:02:16   standouts he was a special stand out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/136">TS</a>]

00:02:18   because he I mean I think we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/138">TS</a>]

00:02:20   about this before but unlike somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/140">TS</a>]

00:02:22   like Charles Grodin I don't think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/142">TS</a>]

00:02:24   a bit i think he genuinely hate Dave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/144">TS</a>]

00:02:26   yeah sure sure he hated being there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28   there's a lot there's a lot about Dave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/148">TS</a>]

00:02:31   to hate but yeah he he hated he was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/151">TS</a>]

00:02:38   much hate in the world some get em John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/158">TS</a>]

00:02:40   ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/160">TS</a>]

00:02:41   so much hate I'm how do you feel about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/161">TS</a>]

00:02:43   Dennis Eichorn he talked about that as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/163">TS</a>]

00:02:46   corn uh-huh i don't i don't know i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/166">TS</a>]

00:02:49   not familiar with this works so similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/169">TS</a>]

00:02:52   situation all of his all of his workers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/172">TS</a>]

00:02:54   collaboration with other artists and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/174">TS</a>]

00:02:57   his comic books have no there's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/177">TS</a>]

00:02:59   real like unifying artistic are unifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/179">TS</a>]

00:03:04   artist let's say right and so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/184">TS</a>]

00:03:07   it's autobiographical comics but over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/187">TS</a>]

00:03:09   the course of multiple volumes you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/189">TS</a>]

00:03:11   the you get all these different peoples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/191">TS</a>]

00:03:14   take on what he looks like and what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/194">TS</a>]

00:03:16   world looks like it's a it because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/196">TS</a>]

00:03:19   heart becomes like another character you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/199">TS</a>]

00:03:21   know comic fans but you know also comic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/201">TS</a>]

00:03:24   creators get our rap you know for being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/204">TS</a>]

00:03:27   nerds understandably but the people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/207">TS</a>]

00:03:29   I know who make comics their work what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/209">TS</a>]

00:03:33   blows me away because I mean the quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/213">TS</a>]

00:03:34   of work that people managed to produce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/214">TS</a>]

00:03:35   incredible but what you're describing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/215">TS</a>]

00:03:37   is how the process generally works which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   is there's one person who writes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/219">TS</a>]

00:03:41   script and there's another person and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/221">TS</a>]

00:03:43   maybe even another country who's doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/223">TS</a>]

00:03:45   the drawings and that's not including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/225">TS</a>]

00:03:46   the people who in caller eight you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/226">TS</a>]

00:03:48   that ends up having a huge impact on how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/228">TS</a>]

00:03:50   it looks but it takes a ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/230">TS</a>]

00:03:52   amount of collaboration like down to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/232">TS</a>]

00:03:55   point where like you think the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/235">TS</a>]

00:03:56   done but now you have to reduce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/236">TS</a>]

00:03:59   amount of dialogue to fit in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/239">TS</a>]

00:04:00   available space for the word balloons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/240">TS</a>]

00:04:03   oh word balloons but it's invite like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/243">TS</a>]

00:04:06   it's you know it's it's it's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/246">TS</a>]

00:04:09   know it's one thing to collaborate on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/249">TS</a>]

00:04:10   novel or something but I mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/250">TS</a>]

00:04:12   just all words and you can kind of make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/252">TS</a>]

00:04:13   it sound the same but I don't know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/253">TS</a>]

00:04:15   get some an amazing process i would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/255">TS</a>]

00:04:17   to someday not today probably but i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/257">TS</a>]

00:04:20   to someday explore your past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/260">TS</a>]

00:04:21   relationship with comics which which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/261">TS</a>]

00:04:24   know it's kind of a bit that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/264">TS</a>]

00:04:26   you make fun of the comics people but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/266">TS</a>]

00:04:27   you also seem to have had a fair number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/267">TS</a>]

00:04:30   of grown-up funny books you've liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/270">TS</a>]

00:04:32   over the years mmmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/272">TS</a>]

00:04:34   and you know I i am a product of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/274">TS</a>]

00:04:36   comics i am i am a man made almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/276">TS</a>]

00:04:40   entirely of comics this from your time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/280">TS</a>]

00:04:43   at the end you stand no no my whole life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45   I mean I was a kid in comics I was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/285">TS</a>]

00:04:47   preteen in comics I was a teen in comics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/287">TS</a>]

00:04:51   but i but i always was i always felt ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/291">TS</a>]

00:04:56   you I always felt out out of the gang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/296">TS</a>]

00:05:00   not I didn't like the comics that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/300">TS</a>]

00:05:02   kids liked and the comics that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/302">TS</a>]

00:05:05   did--like i couldn't find any money to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/305">TS</a>]

00:05:08   share in those comics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/308">TS</a>]

00:05:11   uh-huh you know I couldn't find a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/311">TS</a>]

00:05:13   other eleven-year-old that like trots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/313">TS</a>]

00:05:16   and Bonnie and I was starved for trucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/316">TS</a>]

00:05:21   and Bonnie I wanted every bit of trucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/321">TS</a>]

00:05:23   and Bonnie I could find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/323">TS</a>]

00:05:24   that's funny but nobody had ever heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/324">TS</a>]

00:05:27   of trucks and Bonnie and no band that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/327">TS</a>]

00:05:29   just wasn't a world than any other kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/329">TS</a>]

00:05:31   wanted to share and sherry Fleniken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/331">TS</a>]

00:05:35   that's rides i actually I actually wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/335">TS</a>]

00:05:39   her one time asking if she would send me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/339">TS</a>]

00:05:41   a drawing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/341">TS</a>]

00:05:43   well it looks really old timey longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/343">TS</a>]

00:05:46   it's wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/346">TS</a>]

00:05:47   oh wow look at this is in National [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/347">TS</a>]

00:05:49   Lampoon's that right was in the National [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/349">TS</a>]

00:05:50   Lampoon which wich eleven-year-old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/350">TS</a>]

00:05:53   should not be allowed access to all boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/353">TS</a>]

00:05:55   that's it wasn't too long after eleven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/355">TS</a>]

00:05:57   when I discovered national and pin yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/357">TS</a>]

00:05:59   and-and-and so that was so that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/359">TS</a>]

00:06:03   always the problem right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/363">TS</a>]

00:06:04   eleven-year-olds twelve-year-olds uh i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/364">TS</a>]

00:06:09   mean i was into Lord of the Rings like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/369">TS</a>]

00:06:11   anyone but i also just was just was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/371">TS</a>]

00:06:15   crazy about national lampoon couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/375">TS</a>]

00:06:17   find a single other kid that had ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/377">TS</a>]

00:06:19   heard of it let alone cared about it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/379">TS</a>]

00:06:23   so the comics were always another comics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/383">TS</a>]

00:06:26   just like music right i mean i make fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/386">TS</a>]

00:06:28   of music people in them just so i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/388">TS</a>]

00:06:31   so many like obviously strong things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/391">TS</a>]

00:06:35   say about musics but also i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/395">TS</a>]

00:06:38   completely made of music I just was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/398">TS</a>]

00:06:41   always outside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/401">TS</a>]

00:06:42   I don't mean the mainstream i mean i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/402">TS</a>]

00:06:45   outside of the alternative mainstream I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/405">TS</a>]

00:06:49   mean right you and I were always going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/409">TS</a>]

00:06:50   to be alternative people but the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/410">TS</a>]

00:06:52   problem is ru ru in the are you in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/412">TS</a>]

00:06:56   stream or you out of the stream and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/416">TS</a>]

00:06:59   you're if you're if I always dreamt of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/419">TS</a>]

00:07:02   being like alt but right in the heart of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/422">TS</a>]

00:07:07   alt the alt aesthetic right and my taste [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/427">TS</a>]

00:07:12   was like right in the center and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/432">TS</a>]

00:07:14   thought all the things that were cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/434">TS</a>]

00:07:16   were cool and I thought all the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/436">TS</a>]

00:07:18   that were uncool uncool and I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/438">TS</a>]

00:07:21   in I i was always going to be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/441">TS</a>]

00:07:24   alternative culture person but I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/444">TS</a>]

00:07:27   thought that alternative culture was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/447">TS</a>]

00:07:29   stupid but it took I mean the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/449">TS</a>]

00:07:32   it's ai ai ai ai no this is so obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/452">TS</a>]

00:07:34   and I say it all the time but I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/454">TS</a>]

00:07:35   really can never get over how different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/455">TS</a>]

00:07:37   everything is today in in one important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/457">TS</a>]

00:07:39   way he was talking to somebody about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   this recently just about how how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/461">TS</a>]

00:07:44   difficult it was to engage with anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/464">TS</a>]

00:07:48   that wasn't in the mainstream but how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/468">TS</a>]

00:07:50   difficult it was to even find out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/470">TS</a>]

00:07:52   your options were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/472">TS</a>]

00:07:52   yeah that you had to go i mean like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/472">TS</a>]

00:07:54   me like Rolling Stone magazine seemed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/474">TS</a>]

00:07:56   little bit radical for a time I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/476">TS</a>]

00:07:58   eventually that would become like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/478">TS</a>]

00:07:59   maximum rock'n'roll or something but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/479">TS</a>]

00:08:01   even that's like that's like that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/481">TS</a>]

00:08:02   scene that you can get more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/482">TS</a>]

00:08:03   nationally it's you you have a rabbi to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/483">TS</a>]

00:08:06   like kind of make a tape for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/486">TS</a>]

00:08:08   explain what your options even were yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/488">TS</a>]

00:08:10   and the and the you know the problem for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/490">TS</a>]

00:08:12   us you and me our age is that there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/492">TS</a>]

00:08:16   there was boot that the kind of boomer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/496">TS</a>]

00:08:20   alternative culture fabulous very freak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/500">TS</a>]

00:08:23   brothers wii magazine all these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/503">TS</a>]

00:08:29   we've talked about but that didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/509">TS</a>]

00:08:31   belong to us we were too young for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/511">TS</a>]

00:08:33   and so you would discover them you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/513">TS</a>]

00:08:36   you discover a pile of of of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/516">TS</a>]

00:08:43   magazines that had naked pictures in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/523">TS</a>]

00:08:46   them but also a lot of cultural stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/526">TS</a>]

00:08:51   comics and were like underground comix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/531">TS</a>]

00:08:53   underground comics and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/533">TS</a>]

00:08:55   and you know like even the stereo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/535">TS</a>]

00:08:58   reviews in oui magazine were interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/538">TS</a>]

00:09:02   right it's not it was before was before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/542">TS</a>]

00:09:04   lad magazines had digress to just being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/544">TS</a>]

00:09:09   advertising you know you'd read the read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/549">TS</a>]

00:09:12   the hifi reviews in one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/552">TS</a>]

00:09:15   nineteen seventies kind of men's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/555">TS</a>]

00:09:18   magazines and they were really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/558">TS</a>]

00:09:19   well-written contentious argumentative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/559">TS</a>]

00:09:23   so but but it was all because you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/563">TS</a>]

00:09:29   because they're their vision of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/569">TS</a>]

00:09:30   future there nineteen seventies vision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/570">TS</a>]

00:09:33   of the future was that you know smoking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/573">TS</a>]

00:09:35   pot was something that a that a that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/575">TS</a>]

00:09:38   cultured cool intelligent people did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/578">TS</a>]

00:09:41   and they spent their money on on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/581">TS</a>]

00:09:44   stereo systems and their clothes mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/584">TS</a>]

00:09:48   was like pre war on drugs and pre aids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/588">TS</a>]

00:09:54   uh-huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/594">TS</a>]

00:09:55   it seemed like the future and and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57   seems like this is what the district [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   cool people are going to be doing now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/599">TS</a>]

00:10:00   and this situation the seventies as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/600">TS</a>]

00:10:03   being people not even realizing how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/603">TS</a>]

00:10:06   it was still the sixties in a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/606">TS</a>]

00:10:07   ways but at the same time eventually not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/607">TS</a>]

00:10:10   it realizing how much like the eighties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/610">TS</a>]

00:10:11   it was becoming yeah right it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/611">TS</a>]

00:10:13   friend and as a ten-year-old I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/613">TS</a>]

00:10:18   excited initially to get pictures of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/618">TS</a>]

00:10:21   naked ladies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/621">TS</a>]

00:10:22   uh-huh but then eighty percent of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/622">TS</a>]

00:10:26   magazines were articles and when you sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/626">TS</a>]

00:10:30   with them long enough you know it was 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/630">TS</a>]

00:10:32   years old was before I knew how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/632">TS</a>]

00:10:34   masturbate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/634">TS</a>]

00:10:35   so I just why don't I don't even know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/635">TS</a>]

00:10:37   why I wanted pictures of naked ladies I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/637">TS</a>]

00:10:39   just wanted them right they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/639">TS</a>]

00:10:41   something i was denied and so you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/641">TS</a>]

00:10:44   them and you look at the naked ladies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/644">TS</a>]

00:10:45   and you go wow they're naked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/645">TS</a>]

00:10:48   uh-huh and then pretty soon run out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/648">TS</a>]

00:10:51   things to do and start reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/651">TS</a>]

00:10:53   articles and and and yet it wasn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/653">TS</a>]

00:10:57   know that stuff wasn't meant for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/657">TS</a>]

00:10:59   write it was meant for people that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/659">TS</a>]

00:11:00   lived through the sixties or people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/660">TS</a>]

00:11:02   were 22 and and I was 10 and so that set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/662">TS</a>]

00:11:06   me on course when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/666">TS</a>]

00:11:08   when punk rock arrived I was already had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/668">TS</a>]

00:11:12   it in a way it was like completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14   revolutionary and scary to me and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/674">TS</a>]

00:11:19   compelling but i also was aware two of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/679">TS</a>]

00:11:24   the things that you know it punk wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/684">TS</a>]

00:11:29   the first time I heard about prague or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/689">TS</a>]

00:11:33   whatever else you know so it was I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/693">TS</a>]

00:11:36   just so lame to be a kid I wish I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/696">TS</a>]

00:11:38   go back and just put myself in a bubble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/698">TS</a>]

00:11:41   is insufferable but you know that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/701">TS</a>]

00:11:44   that's ninety percent of what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/704">TS</a>]

00:11:45   program is about how terrible 1977 ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/705">TS</a>]

00:11:49   yeah 80 80 80 was terrible yeah yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/709">TS</a>]

00:11:54   you know it's it's it's the older you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/714">TS</a>]

00:11:56   get the more you you have time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/716">TS</a>]

00:11:58   evaluate like what made a horrible it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/718">TS</a>]

00:12:00   like for a long time you think well I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/720">TS</a>]

00:12:01   if I had more information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/721">TS</a>]

00:12:03   mmm things would be better if I had more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/723">TS</a>]

00:12:06   exposure to things things would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/726">TS</a>]

00:12:08   better i just think i have to be honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/728">TS</a>]

00:12:11   now I really feel like I just would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/731">TS</a>]

00:12:12   different problems I just would've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/732">TS</a>]

00:12:13   screwed up in a different way i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/733">TS</a>]

00:12:14   that's that's the dirty little secret of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/734">TS</a>]

00:12:16   being what between the ages of let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/736">TS</a>]

00:12:19   11 and 17 isn't it has to be a mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/739">TS</a>]

00:12:23   yeah and yeah and I did I definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/743">TS</a>]

00:12:26   didn't need more information I had more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/746">TS</a>]

00:12:28   than I could handle but-but-but comics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/748">TS</a>]

00:12:31   you know comics saved my life just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/751">TS</a>]

00:12:34   much as they saved anybody else's life i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/754">TS</a>]

00:12:35   just could not abide superheroes who and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/755">TS</a>]

00:12:40   there are so many comics so many acres [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/760">TS</a>]

00:12:43   and acres of comics that a then I was i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/763">TS</a>]

00:12:48   I was buried under them just as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/768">TS</a>]

00:12:50   anybody else was but when I popped up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/770">TS</a>]

00:12:52   out of that pile waving some mysterious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/772">TS</a>]

00:12:55   thing I'd found and saying look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/775">TS</a>]

00:12:58   is amazing i could not find a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/778">TS</a>]

00:13:00   other kit to share in that with me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/780">TS</a>]

00:13:06   part of that is is being from Alaska i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/786">TS</a>]

00:13:08   think if i was living in ohio i might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/788">TS</a>]

00:13:10   have finally found some other weird oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/790">TS</a>]

00:13:11   yeah um a lot of weirdos in Ohio you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/791">TS</a>]

00:13:16   know what every weirdo i know is from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/796">TS</a>]

00:13:18   Ohio you know about Texas and Florida [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/798">TS</a>]

00:13:20   yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/800">TS</a>]

00:13:21   wanna know I i feel like the weirdos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/801">TS</a>]

00:13:23   that I know from Texas and Florida when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/803">TS</a>]

00:13:26   you really get down to it they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/806">TS</a>]

00:13:28   weirdos they are they're adapting yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/808">TS</a>]

00:13:32   well they do some weird stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/812">TS</a>]

00:13:34   ultimately like they're the cool normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/814">TS</a>]

00:13:37   people i mean you know i have one friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/817">TS</a>]

00:13:39   from Florida who's who's pretty fucking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/819">TS</a>]

00:13:42   weird but what it what it really is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/822">TS</a>]

00:13:45   that his dad was really weird and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/825">TS</a>]

00:13:48   been working and he's been working that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/828">TS</a>]

00:13:50   off his whole life but the people i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/830">TS</a>]

00:13:53   from ohio or just generally so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/833">TS</a>]

00:13:57   the thing right the people in Texas and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/837">TS</a>]

00:14:02   and in California and Florida that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/842">TS</a>]

00:14:05   that I know personally that are weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/845">TS</a>]

00:14:07   when you really dig down into him their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/847">TS</a>]

00:14:12   regular and I mean that in the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/852">TS</a>]

00:14:15   possible way the people from ohio seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/855">TS</a>]

00:14:20   really regular that's why I yeah I yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/860">TS</a>]

00:14:24   okay I get what you mean but you dig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/864">TS</a>]

00:14:26   down inside of them and they're and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/866">TS</a>]

00:14:29   they are thinking about having sex with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/869">TS</a>]

00:14:31   an octopus who you know what I mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/871">TS</a>]

00:14:33   them and you and they look at me just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/873">TS</a>]

00:14:35   like what are you doing today and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/875">TS</a>]

00:14:37   they're just like nothing but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/877">TS</a>]

00:14:39   really thinking about having sex with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/879">TS</a>]

00:14:41   anonymous or something worse since i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/881">TS</a>]

00:14:43   made a good case for this and explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/883">TS</a>]

00:14:45   what it's like to be from like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/885">TS</a>]

00:14:47   middle of Pennsylvania where you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/887">TS</a>]

00:14:49   was into certain kind of hair metal but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/889">TS</a>]

00:14:51   he's also into his church and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/891">TS</a>]

00:14:54   know he's talked about how weird stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/894">TS</a>]

00:14:57   gets in the suburbs you know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/897">TS</a>]

00:14:59   middle of Pennsylvania which I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/899">TS</a>]

00:15:02   instantly understood what he meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/902">TS</a>]

00:15:04   even though for me that was usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/904">TS</a>]

00:15:05   actually florida which is like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/905">TS</a>]

00:15:06   you don't have enough exposure to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/906">TS</a>]

00:15:08   how weird you really are like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/908">TS</a>]

00:15:10   ever tried to go make a case for what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/910">TS</a>]

00:15:11   you're doing to other people like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/911">TS</a>]

00:15:13   you're weird if you're in California [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/913">TS</a>]

00:15:15   Florida or Texas work like you'll find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/915">TS</a>]

00:15:17   lots you'll find a community of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/917">TS</a>]

00:15:18   weirdos neck that can help you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/918">TS</a>]

00:15:20   recalibrate how you should be doing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/920">TS</a>]

00:15:21   weirdness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/921">TS</a>]

00:15:22   yeah you have to be weird on your own in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/922">TS</a>]

00:15:23   ohio well and so yes you have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/923">TS</a>]

00:15:27   weird on your own and also it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/927">TS</a>]

00:15:29   the concentration of people in Ohio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/929">TS</a>]

00:15:33   like you have to be weird on your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/933">TS</a>]

00:15:34   but you are surrounded by people it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/934">TS</a>]

00:15:37   incredibly populous state and not a not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/937">TS</a>]

00:15:41   a huge state but really full of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/941">TS</a>]

00:15:43   so even even if you're like farm Ohio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/943">TS</a>]

00:15:45   you know there are farms all around you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/945">TS</a>]

00:15:48   there's no sense like like you have out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/948">TS</a>]

00:15:50   in the west where you can go somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/950">TS</a>]

00:15:53   and there's not gonna be anybody right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/953">TS</a>]

00:15:55   and so that that I think is what that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/955">TS</a>]

00:15:59   that like draw the blinds and think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/959">TS</a>]

00:16:02   you're weird thoughts and gain kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/962">TS</a>]

00:16:05   stuff yeah right we got was first time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/965">TS</a>]

00:16:08   heard guided by voices I was like oh boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/968">TS</a>]

00:16:10   there's a tool shed out behind this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/970">TS</a>]

00:16:12   guy's house that I never want to go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/972">TS</a>]

00:16:14   because he's cut he's got nipples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/974">TS</a>]

00:16:19   drawing on hooks this episode of rock on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/979">TS</a>]

00:16:23   the line is brought to you in part by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/983">TS</a>]

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00:17:57   d.i.y I there there are some comic book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1077">TS</a>]

00:18:04   artist that I still wish that I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:07   sit down with Dennis I corners one Julie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:16   Doucette i just wish i could sit with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:18   them for a while and just be friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   we should reach out to them i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:22   dennis Eichorn lives and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:25   northwest lucky i think i even have his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:27   email address some time but i don't i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:30   not sure what I would say hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:32   fine I know I know I know I yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:35   yeah but I feel the same way sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:37   I'll say hi to people on Twitter and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:39   it feels incredibly random and i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:41   sure why I'm doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:42   I'll just say thank you know I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:44   really like that thing you do that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:46   yeah yeah I was gonna say you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:49   mean I'm even even know it Brubaker we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:52   deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:53   yeah he and i were we were friends next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:57   comic state i know it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:58   we're friends we he lived in seattle and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1138">TS</a>]

00:19:01   we were coffee shop pals here here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:06   your you always blow me away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:09   yeah we were coffee shop pals and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:11   think he'll I think he liked my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:13   girlfriend and one day it was a hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:16   summer day ever told you the story don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:19   think so hot summer day were sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:20   around the cafe at brubakers there he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:24   stays working at levis vest cut the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:27   sleeves off hot looking pretty look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:30   pretty cool and I'm sitting there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:32   we're both flirting with the coffee shop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:36   barista [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:39   and I look over and then and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:41   learning look at--look it under heads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:44   best animal yet are you are you wearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:49   a shoulder holster and he goes smooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:53   what oh yes well what do you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:56   you make and closes I'm like well I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:58   it's a hot summer day and we're all not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:01   wearing any clothes but you are wearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:03   a vest and now i'm looking at it you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:05   wearing a gun and he was wearing a gun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:09   in a shoulder holster and I would I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:14   and that was not that was not customary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:17   at the time and I qwizdom on it and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:22   didn't really wanna didn't really want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:24   to talk about it but it but it was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:26   let's just let's just say that the levis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1226">TS</a>]

00:20:28   best was not sufficient cover to also be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:33   wearing a shoulder holster it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:37   almost like wearing a black bra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:38   somewhere you kind of want people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:40   notice it was learned it it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:42   much like wearing a black bra under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:43   under a thin white t-shirt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:45   uh-huh and you know but it was the early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:48   nineties we were all trying stuff out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:51   I'm not sure whether it's still carries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:52   a gun but early nineties you know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:57   sort of like well Who am I going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1257">TS</a>]

00:20:59   what kind of guy am i going to be just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:01   trying stuff on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:02   yeah am I gonna be the shoulder holster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:04   under Levi's best guy I John data that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:07   is not something I see every day not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:09   only that's a silly generous look right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:11   and I mean this was pre fedora era right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:13   so you couldn't in 1992 you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:16   walk around Seattle wearing a fedora you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:18   just couldn't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:19   uh-huh wouldn't have flown but a but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:25   shoulder holster huh maybe maybe so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:30   yeah but i had 90 each other pretty well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:33   and that in the time and it's easier is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:36   very well-regarded yeah he makes a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:38   of comics and he does he does i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40   arguably he did one of the best captain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:43   america's ever and his is none superior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:46   stuff he did something called the towel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:49   it's really good and it is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:50   called velvet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:51   it's really good that you might like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:52   they're both kinda like no Norrish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:54   things while the twist nowhere dunno [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:58   yeah yeah yeah he was a like he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:02   lowlife comics back in the back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:06   old days and and was he was he started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:09   as an alternative comics guy and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:11   moved into B into the men in tights or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:18   her stuff sounds like it's pretty rough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:20   to work for Marvel it's a pretty rough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:22   company is that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1342">TS</a>]

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00:22:27   know their company they move pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:29   quick but yeah yeah yeahs something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:32   pretty pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:33   it's a lot of work and you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35   don't ya the names you hear about they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:37   don't get paid as much as people would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:38   think oh right i mean they're great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:41   they're artists great and it's hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:43   do and it takes a long time and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:45   they get ripped off I wonder I wonder if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:47   there are any other artists that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:48   relate to that it's kinda like Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:50   Wrestling that publishing uh-huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:53   did you know Jason Lutz are you familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:55   with his work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:56   nope but I'll find out J so also great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:59   great stuff he drew the Drew a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:01   harvey danger t-shirt for us when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03   were in the Harvey dangers but he also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:05   did a graphic novel about um he did he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:11   did a long-running graphic novel called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:13   jar of fools and there was a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:18   early stuff took place in a cafe in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:22   cafe so reading those early novels it he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:28   was easy is a great draftsperson mi wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:31   these are wonderful and the that is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:34   cafe where I spent every minute of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:37   early twenties and he drew and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:43   barista the teachers in his in that cafe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:47   that the sort of the barista character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:49   is a very very good rendition of a vote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:54   of a gal that I was really close with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:58   and so that was that was one of the that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:03   that was a situation where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:04   Mike was being drawn in real time in up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:07   in and about my actual world and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:11   a kind of fat you know there's a fantasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:13   magic element to it that that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:17   that made it a different kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:18   but you know that feeling when you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:21   your early twenties or like we are we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:22   are live we are living inside of the art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:25   oh man those moments are so exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:27   yeah yeah you can get that anytime today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:29   but I mean like back then that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:30   really big deal because somebody you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:31   knew was on the radio like you talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:33   about that for a week more flakes of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:35   like your neighborhood was mentioned in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:37   the paper is a huge deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:38   ya know a solution that spelled like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:42   fella plural of the musical instrument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:44   do rights in the right and then of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:48   course Chris where Jimmy Corrigan much I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:55   loved his band but it's actually goes by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:59   William now what William local road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:01   Corrigan oh I've been to the doctor a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:08   lot lately i was gonna ask you about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:10   that I I as I was sitting here waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12   for waiting for you I was sitting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:13   thinking I wonder if John's sick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:15   this seems like about the time that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:18   would be sick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:19   normal seems like with conditions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:21   and whatnot this would be about the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:23   that you would be getting sick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:24   normally I would be getting sick em [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:26   under these conditions and I am I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:28   sort of sick but the conditions are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:30   extreme that I don't even know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:31   sickness can gain purchase and me I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:34   listening but I'm i have been going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:38   the doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:39   uh-huh I've got to various doctors with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:42   more to come and sort of i won't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:47   disappointingly but all the doctors seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:51   to agree that i'm in fine health perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:54   Hale and Hardy really and and I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:59   wanting to go to a doctor and have them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:01   say years I am confirming your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:04   suspicions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:05   there's something really wrong with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:07   and all these other hacks missed it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:09   hiding in plain sight you're a very sick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:11   man John yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:12   yep but you kind of want that you kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:13   of want somebody to just go it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:15   probably worse than we thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:16   yeah here's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:18   is why it's so hard haha I get it yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:23   you have a terrible terrible undiagnosed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:26   condition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:27   this explains everything this explains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:28   everything yeah i'm always looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:30   this even if it's terrible news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:33   there's a part of me that the the atd a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:35   part of my brain is like at last we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:38   some resolution right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:39   this explains every yes you have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:41   extra pancreas like it's beyond rare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:46   it's it it's unprecedented and once we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:50   take out your your 2nd pancreas then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:54   will stop making so much biol here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:57   thing with a man understand John is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:59   the human body is a lot like the state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01   of Ohio it's a lot there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03   people in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:04   you can't just suddenly have an extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:05   pancreas in ohio you gotta go we gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:08   get that out safely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:09   that's right you think that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11   explain the bile and yet every doctor I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:15   go to says well all your readings are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:17   normal you don't appear to have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:18   arterial sclerosis or you don't seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:21   have diverticulitis and you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:23   any of the other like a Victorian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:28   diseases that used to play your mother's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:29   family so I'm not sure maybe you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:32   eat less and exercise and you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:34   touch of the graph a little bit Roxy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:36   have you ever considered meditation i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:39   actually had a couple of doctors say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:40   that to mom so tired of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:41   recommended meditation shut up and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:44   stop it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:44   give me some kind of diagnosis where AI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:47   don't have to have a pill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:49   yeah and bi don't have to go meditate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:51   what I want is for you to take something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:52   out of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:53   well I wouldn't let me just say like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:55   have a lot of Aloha for meditation it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:57   a great thing I'm just tired of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1677">TS</a>]

00:27:58   being the answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1678">TS</a>]

00:27:59   yeah because yeah okay I know I know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:01   to meditate I can do that but I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:03   something I want something more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:04   conclusive like an extra organized want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:06   something where that explains everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:07   that doesn't explain go meditate does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:09   not explain everything that's what every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:10   doctor has told me for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:12   yeah I keep thinking that they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:13   look at me and they're going to say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:14   my god one of your lungs is much smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:16   than the other you have you have it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:19   have tiny long syndrome what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:22   normal-sized one-on-one time you John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:25   this is extremely unusual do it you ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:27   feel loved more tired than you'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:29   yeah you sometimes struggle for breath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:31   there you are easy gasping you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:34   tiny tiny lung we need to get we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:37   fly you immediately to a clinic in Ohio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39   the tiny Lincoln we're at war team of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:42   specialized doctors from around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:44   world with with the with pins neces and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:47   Boris Karloff beards are going to study [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:50   you will pay you will pay you for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:53   study and then we'll replace that tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:56   loan or will not i'm not replace it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:58   inflate it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1738">TS</a>]

00:28:59   it is a modern miracle is a hit is able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:01   to live in pleased at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:02   look at this look at this truck is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:04   shocking state defense but it's rocky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:06   look see how small his noses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:09   it's like trying to smoke pipe tobacco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:13   through a children straw so it's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:16   a vestigial it's really so frustrating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:21   it's so frustrating but just want I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:23   want to I just want some kind of I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:27   want some sort of easy solution what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:28   it what it is is I won't be i want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:31   star trek teleporter her that experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:34   where you turn to return to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:36   crystal sparkles and there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:38   high-pitched ringing and then you re [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:41   assembled somewhere down the line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:44   yeah but through that disassembly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:46   reassembly i'm on way heavy i totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:49   not yours and I totally know what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:50   mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:51   alright so i was reading about how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:53   how the teleporter thing works okay and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:56   involves Adams sure and molecules or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:59   something and there and so you've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:01   body and the the body is really about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:03   the relationship of all these atoms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:05   molecules and what were able to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:07   shoot that off someplace and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:09   rebuild it in this other area and so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:11   i hear if I'm getting this right if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:12   is what I'm thinking it's like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:14   restarting your computer you right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:16   just want you want to turn off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:17   computer turn it back on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:18   it's going to run through all kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:19   checks like your body's got probably got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:21   some kind of mechanism for teleported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:22   make sure that everything is right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:24   are all kinds of tiny little errors in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26   your genetics that can be fixed with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:27   reboot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:28   exactamundo right i mean just teleport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:31   me from here to the waiting room where i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:33   can write you a check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:34   yeah that's what I don't need to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:35   anywhere special teleport me from here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:37   to the waiting room and yet at work or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:39   in that process the stream of atoms is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:42   going through a filter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:44   we're all of the all the time toxicities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:48   disregards right all of the all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:50   old tobacco that's still in there all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:52   the undigested meat all of the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:56   all of the genetic errors all of the all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:59   of the unactivated Gene Kelly this isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:04   already a thing me when I was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:06   working on the well-meaning outlet or at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:07   least fake thing I mean given all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:09   stuff about you know this stuff about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:10   toxicity units bullshit right there all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:12   the stuff there's no such really such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:13   thing as toxicity if you are if you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:15   leading a normal life and it's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:18   like the whole idea of like vitamins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:20   it's like well you know if you're eating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22   you don't need vitamins and if you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:24   eat vitamins you're just going to piss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:25   them away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:26   I mean going to walgreens and buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:27   these things you put in your shoes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:29   draw the toxicity out of your feet like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:31   that's not actually a thing women is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:32   that actually think you can get these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:34   things and here's how it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:35   basically you get these things they look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:36   kinda like dr. scholl's and you use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:39   because all you know that all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:39   toxicity goes your feet and so you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   these on and it discolors the mix it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:44   makes things look Brown know it's sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:46   of like your candling you know ear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:48   candling really too was all too well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:50   thank you Eric handling that's just ash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:53   that's not actually toxicity like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:54   there's nothing that is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:55   happening there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:56   everything gold every single gal I data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:59   during us certain era mid-nineties it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:02   was the Beatles that it was like peak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:04   beet juice it came right before tattoos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:06   they were all about your candle and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:09   would sit me down and stick candles in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:11   my ears and then they would at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:13   and I would just be like oh my god and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:16   then they would pull the candles out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:17   they would always be inconclusive will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:20   always be like well we didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:21   that's this is weird is that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:23   explains nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:25   ah right right but you know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:28   teleporter idea it's that sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:31   something it's so appealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:34   yeah I kind of can't believe there isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:35   already a huge like sham business around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:37   that if what if you're disassembling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:39   somebody into Adams you should be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:42   then to comb those atoms who with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:47   with an atom comb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:49   yeah yeah and then subatomic home right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:52   and when you stack them back up its you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   took all the you took all the hairs out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:56   we figure this out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:58   little like probably little fibers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1978">TS</a>]

00:32:59   little flecks of dirt maybe a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:02   of marlboro tobacco in there like little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:04   things it's kinda like a couch like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:05   imagine you have a couch and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:07   how the couches assembled if you take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:09   the couch apart remove all the detritus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:11   and give it a good cleaning gud scrub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:13   then you just put the couch back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:15   together the other day I lost my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:18   and I was like where I would just had it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:20   where the fuck is it then and I realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:23   like it probably fell down behind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:24   couch cushions and I reached down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:26   underneath the couch cushions and when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:29   do that i always feel like I'm in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:31   buck rogers movie and I'm putting my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:33   hand in the stump I'm and I'm reaching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:39   around and I'm thinking I'm gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:42   I'm really a bit by the by the monster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:44   if I don't of course I'm i become just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:47   going to any jet thing is this like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:49   stick your hand in the thing and fear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:50   fear is the is the thing you're happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:54   about forgetting forgetting it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:57   very mind-killer right is that it about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2037">TS</a>]

00:33:59   well you know in the buck rogers movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:00   if you stick your hand in there you it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:02   and you get bitten you die but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:04   stick it in there and don't get bitten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:05   then maybe you become king of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:07   Birdman who and king of the Birdman is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:10   kind of always how I imagined i would i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:12   would turn out but I stuck my head in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:14   the back of the couch and I pulled out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:16   pair of glasses that I have been missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:19   for six years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:20   Oh God and they were my favorite pair of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:23   glasses and I remember I remember that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25   you know the thing about losing a pair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:27   of glasses yet you never remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:28   exactly when it happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   you're always trying to trace back like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:31   when did i see that pair of glasses last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:33   you get you get the era but it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:36   it's hard to really get even the week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:37   yeah and that but so I remember I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:39   remember missing them years ago and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:42   being like how can i have lost that of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   all the pairs that was my that was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46   fav pair and you remember them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:50   they were they were early long winters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:52   classes and uh I found him and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:58   and there they were vintage glasses to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2098">TS</a>]

00:34:59   begin with so that kind of that chalky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:02   discoloration has started to happen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:05   them where the where the where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07   plastic is yeah I was like a kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:09   existential mildew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:10   yeah it's just sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:11   plastic is just starting to just die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:14   from brittle and it was never intended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:16   to last this long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:17   it was never intended to last this long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:19   and here like five or six great years of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:23   these glasses were wasted with them just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:26   slowly moldering under the couch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:28   I can still wear them and they still are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:30   great and I'm happy to have them back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:32   but like all those years we could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:34   had together they were there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:36   tantalizingly just under the seat of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:38   pants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:39   it's like it's like it's like a dream it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:41   really I mean it was just it was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:43   there the whole time he just didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:44   access to it didn't have access to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:46   and so then I'm i'm down in that couch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:48   i'm pulling out crayons and and popcorn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:51   kernels and stuff just like what else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:52   down here dunes straws markers scissors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:56   remotes i cannot even first of all I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2156">TS</a>]

00:36:00   ask your question okay so there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:02   times when you gotta do the unthinkable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:03   which is you have to take the cushions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:06   off something important has been lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:07   and you must actually searched the couch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:09   is when you sponge your hand into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:13   space is it moist moist are just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:18   little moist I think it might achieve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:20   sentence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:21   well I you know because probably I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:24   the thing is if we spill something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:26   know and by that I mean you know get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:28   kids spill something we do everything we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:30   can it's a very it was an old vintage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:31   couch when i purchased it in about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:33   nineteen ninety-six so who knows things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:36   probably 40 years old and is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:38   material naugahyde naugahyde on the on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:41   the surfaces and then it's you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:44   got that you lift it up and it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:46   that you know all that traction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:48   yeah naugahyde backing well yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:50   not behind Lord we take off the cushions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:52   the part that the cushions you know rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:54   on the actual canonical couch is a is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:57   you know it's a fiber something right oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2217">TS</a>]

00:37:00   I know I know I like your glasses i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:02   don't think it was never intended to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:03   this long i think it might be coughing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:04   something up a little bit you think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:06   it now has it has formed and I a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:08   digestive system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:10   I don't know it could be a kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:12   kind of a living room Sarlacc maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:15   maybe i don't know i don't know what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:16   happening but I do not like putting my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:17   hand in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:18   I've i have dumped entire boxes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:20   baking soda on there to try and try this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:22   out and it still is a little moist you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:24   know it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:25   to me like it has become so one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:27   first one of the earliest forms of life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:28   over is the Venus flytrap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:32   oh right the Venus flytrap is a is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:34   great hunter but has no actual as far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:39   we know no intelligence not yet right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:42   but it captures its prey just by you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:46   know just the prey just kind of flops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:47   into the plane and then the thing just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:51   closes and digests it over and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:54   that maybe what happened what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:56   happening in your um what's happening in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2276">TS</a>]

00:38:00   your County I'm gonna keep an eye on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:01   to keep an eye on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:03   what else did you find other good stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:05   uh well no i'm nothing was this maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:07   this may say too much about me but I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:11   I left some parts of the couch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:14   unexplored oh I think I i totally agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:18   yeah because I wanted to see you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:20   wanted they're still to be some mystery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:21   there and still something left for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:23   find that is very much how my own mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:25   works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:25   it's one thing to thoroughly clean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:27   top-of-the-range and there's not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   be any special surprises probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:31   they're right but the couch i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:33   that's that's special like that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:35   stuff in there if you really really go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:37   through that couch you know my case I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:38   could probably find stuff in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:39   previous owners probably matchbooks in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:40   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:41   hello ever seen i kinda don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:43   know yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:44   am I crazy also to hope that that one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:48   these days I'll be one of the guys that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:49   buy a used car and finds the doors for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:52   cocaine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2332">TS</a>]

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00:38:55   everybody thinks that everybody always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:58   any sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2338">TS</a>]

00:38:59   this is like your duffel bag in the tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:00   problem right duffle bag be driving down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:03   the road you're out obviously paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:04   attention to the road but at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2344">TS</a>]

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00:39:09   seventies gym bag with 127 million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:12   dollars in it right that is that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:14   pickup load into a tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2354">TS</a>]

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00:39:18   i mean if they're on the ground [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:19   everybody picking them up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:21   how many times have I opened the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:22   newspaper it doesn't happen anymore but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:25   it used to happen all the time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:26   that a bale of money would wash up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:28   the shore in Florida or California yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:31   a bale bale of money a bale of money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:36   then then I could go into the doctor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:39   tell them that I had an extra pancreas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:43   and they would they wouldn't be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:44   argue with me because i had the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:47   oh it's like the guy with the way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:48   both put the fake through the trees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:50   right yeah right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:51   good just hsq you go in cesky them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:54   say listen let's just kind of tap on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2394">TS</a>]

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00:39:59   127 million dollars and you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2399">TS</a>]

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00:41:48   should be like the teleporter that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:51   actually is it is a medical as a medical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:55   purpose right that you come out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:57   other side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2517">TS</a>]

00:41:58   I mean you would presume that everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00   in the star trek universe also was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:05   or less immortal to normal death like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:10   they could think that part isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:11   part of the stick the stick part of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:13   the concept of the show is that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:15   taken care of a lot of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:18   used to travel people in the 20th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:19   century and now we're able to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:21   explore without having to worry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:23   things like are our health for war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:26   yeah I guess that's right i guess that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:29   is a foundational why I got this from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:31   somebody else but that but that's part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:33   of what makes this nigga show able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:35   stretch out a little bit so that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:36   then can also talk about things that end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:38   up being you know like the twilight zone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:40   right where you end up talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:41   stuff in modern life without being too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:43   on the nose about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:44   right right and yet and yet they spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:48   all that time like walking around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:49   walking in the halls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:51   uh-huh you know like if you really had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:54   had mastered disease and conquered war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:58   and sent out and we're set out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:00   explore why are you walking up and down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:02   the hall so much caring clipboards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   yeah yeah you know a lot of doors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06   opening and closing yeah you would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:07   that everybody in a comfortable chair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:09   and they would be having sex anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:11   like Wally you just being just being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:14   like a rocket chair enjoying the child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:16   drinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:16   yeah but how do you stop daddy daddy you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:19   did they have to be sugar free drinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:21   that's so that once again the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:24   becomes it doesn't take long to dry it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:26   like everything right back down to where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:28   we are right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:29   yeah right hmm actually suppose some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:35   kind of colostomy bag where all the food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:36   goes out but then nobody wants to we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:40   want to interact with somebody that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:41   got a colostomy bag up and I don't and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:45   don't mean to be like anti colossal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:46   people that's a lot of people and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:48   necessary better dear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   uh-oh you know this week is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:53   puttering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:53   long just sort of putter putter putter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:55   putter along yeah you know it's been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2635">TS</a>]

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00:44:12   this you want some more time I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:14   obviously we will cover it at great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:17   length this is this is the funny thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2657">TS</a>]

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00:44:25   some people that not many but a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:28   couple of people chastised me for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:32   for the kind of like casual way that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:43   and now that I that I conceded the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:46   election you know I sent out a tweet was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:49   like I didn't win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2689">TS</a>]

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00:45:07   race the campaign the experience books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2707">TS</a>]

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00:45:13   don't need to get it would get it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:15   out right now but I'm I'm happy to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:20   about the immediate my immediate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2720">TS</a>]

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00:45:38   candor in this realm where candor is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:44   is the rarest of all elements right that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:49   was that was one of the that was one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:51   the foundational ideas could you run for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:55   office and and continues to speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2755">TS</a>]

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00:46:01   experience and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:04   perceptions and if so if you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:09   why does no one why is it so hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:12   because that's that that's our first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:14   impression of candidates and politicians [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:17   is that they're just not being honest oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:18   yeah like there must be a reason that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:20   everybody speaks in code and what I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:24   discovered is that there is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:27   definitely a reason and partly partly it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:30   is that there isn't really that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:33   difference between people and what their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:35   goals are and i'm ieaving include like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:38   the radical lunatics who believed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:41   the earth was a is only 2,000 years old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:45   and who don't think that women should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:48   have the right to choose etcetera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:48   etcetera etcetera those people and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:50   and the and Bernie Sanders like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:54   are a lot of political gulf between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:57   those people but ultimately Bernie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:59   Sanders once kraft macaroni and cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:01   dinner and rick santorum once kraft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:04   macaroni and cheese dinner right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:06   everybody eats kraft dinner i'm speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:09   canadian right now because they recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:11   changed the name to KD actually KD right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:13   so I i I'm trying to speak canadian and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2833">TS</a>]

00:47:16   and because Europeans also sort of speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:19   canadian sometimes wonder we might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:21   the only ones that don't call it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:23   they called mac and cheese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:25   yeah well we invented it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:28   so delicious and easy to prepare all we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:32   want but in any case so because because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:37   human beings share more commonality then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:41   we then we have difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:44   politics is the realm of difference and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:47   you you want to you want to exaggerate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:51   the small differences between one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:54   another in order to make clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:56   delineation between candidates and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:58   choices and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:01   what you see in the in the Republican [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:03   race or in the Democratic race are these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:05   people that share ninety-eight percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:07   of their belief system making a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:10   deal out of the two-percent where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:12   they're different and when you speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:16   candidly about yourself all you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:19   is offering up opportunities for other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:22   people to take those things that you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:25   said and use those use those words to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:30   create different difference and distance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:32   between you and people right and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:36   throughout the entire race i found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:40   myself even talking to you have feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:46   suddenly like I needed to keep little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:49   areas of what I was actually thinking um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:54   sequestered because to talk about how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:59   was feeling and to talk about how I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:00   thinking completely with complete candor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:04   would I could tell right away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:07   immediately put me at a disadvantage not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:11   in the it not in the race right now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:15   because everyone in politics talks about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:20   it like it's a really long marathon and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:24   saying stuff about what i was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:27   right now I was hearing from people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:30   every day like this is that the it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:35   understood what they were saying was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:36   that that would jeopardize me in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:39   future if I was too candid about what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:42   was experiencing now you you just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:45   producing fuel for people to use against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:47   you later ten years from now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:49   uh-huh and B and i saw i saw it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:55   practice and also saw it you saw that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/2995">TS</a>]

00:50:02   that the the potential of it and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:07   now like there's so much I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:10   digest and the way that I digest stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:14   is as know in large part talking to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3014">TS</a>]

00:50:17   about it and but I have some big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:22   decisions to make about how much that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:26   you know what what I what I think what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:30   believe is that that candor about my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:36   life is more important to me than almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:39   anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:40   it protects me from blackmail it it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:47   the process that I that I used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:49   understand the world and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:51   understanding is is is the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:54   important thing to me rather than then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:57   my ambition like what you have to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3057">TS</a>]

00:51:01   up what you really be fundamentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:03   changing about your whole process of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:05   being a person in order to heal to what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:09   ends up being necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:10   yeah but in the experience you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:12   I got between 17 and twenty percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:16   the vote and way more people i mean all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:23   the people that helps and participated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:25   in all of the all of my supporters and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3085">TS</a>]

00:51:28   all the people who voted for me and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:29   the people around the world that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:31   supporting my campaign have they've all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:33   been wonderful and vocal and supportive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:36   and great but the day after I lost the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:42   primary I heard from a lot of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:44   people who had never communicated with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:48   me before all say great run man you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:53   really you really made a good campaign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:56   and you stayed true to yourself and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:58   you started a new conversation and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:03   now you force people to talk about these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:04   other things it was a really successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:06   campaign you should be really proud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:09   I can't wait for you to run again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:12   that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:18   that i'm also getting that from friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:21   and supporters and i'm also getting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:23   I would get that from everybody like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:24   well you lost your first one but like go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:26   get them tiger get him the next time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:30   so I'm I'm processing that energy from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:35   other people in that and and and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:38   kind of holding that up against Mike's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:40   my first-hand experience of what it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:43   like and what i want and how how best to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:46   serve and I honestly um and I mean I'm I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:55   you know Marilyn I never want to let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:59   people down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:00   uh-huh and been part of the part of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:06   has been hardest about my life is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:07   I've always felt like I'm always letting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:09   everybody down and I don't want to let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:11   anybody down and that that propels me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:13   alone along the road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:16   um and I don't want to let I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:21   to let people down but running for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:23   office was really distasteful I i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:30   did not enjoy it and and it may very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:36   well be like childbirth we're in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:40   immediate aftermath you say that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:42   awful but then nine months later you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:46   forget and you say oh I really like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:49   think I'd like to have another kid I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:51   childbirth wasn't that hard you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:54   the the the hormonal rush kind of papers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:58   over the pain but in the but throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:04   the entire experience like I was I it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:08   was just personally very very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:12   difficult and I looked around me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:16   other candidates and it at my mentors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:19   and there it there is a personality type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:22   that doesn't find it that difficult you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:26   know that just as and we discussed this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:29   a lot on this program there are people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:31   who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:31   arm are made to run the four-minute mile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:36   and they trained and they work hard but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:40   they also have of physiology and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:45   they don't have a tiny lung and they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:49   and they love to run and they become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:51   great runners and there are other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:54   that they could train just as hard but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:56   they would never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:57   they would never be a great runner just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3297">TS</a>]

00:54:59   because that's not what they were built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:01   to do you know they'll never dumped a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:03   basketball and there are people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:06   meant to 24 there are people that thrive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:10   in the environment the political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:12   environment that we have created that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:15   have decided is that is how we put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:18   people forth and how we choose our our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:24   officers there are people that in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:27   environment are they've never felt so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29   alive their eyes are shining their coats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:32   are glistening they love that they love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:39   the process and they love that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:41   attention and they love the the tussle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:46   of it and and I and I understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:53   people would think I would be good at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:54   and and and why I what people would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:57   think I would enjoy it but in fact it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3357">TS</a>]

00:56:00   a kind of a kind of like pure torture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:05   for me to be in that under that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:09   of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:14   kind of purposeless scrutiny and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:19   exploiting minor differences you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:22   like that's ultimately the thing that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:24   don't I that then I don't see any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:26   purpose in minor differences are things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:29   that I always try to to to heal to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:33   rectify or two or even celebrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:36   celebrate exactly like Aaron this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:38   there's here are the minor differences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:40   between US isn't this wonderful and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:43   politics it is like I believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:46   Pantone color 244 is the greatest color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:50   and my opponent thinks the pantone color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:54   245 it a clearly evil color is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3414">TS</a>]

00:57:00   color and we should end of everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:02   should rally around my pantone color and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:05   it's just like oh my god what a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:07   terrible terrible way to do business or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:10   to think even and and you can think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:13   you can think of people in your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:14   experience who just love that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:16   disagreement and that sort of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:19   shape when you've had that the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:21   that as you describe this it seems so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:23   obvious now that it's crazy but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:27   it if you're having an argument with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:30   your pals not not about whether the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:33   beatles were good bad but about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:35   which album you happen to like the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:39   that week maybe not even likewhat is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:41   best album like which one do you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:43   the most like that is a fun conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:45   to have about minor differences but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:47   you're also not constrained and how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:49   decide to argue that and there aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:51   consequences to what happens if somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:54   argued better than you like you and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:56   the thing is you get to be who you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:57   to be when you're arguing with your pals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3477">TS</a>]

00:57:59   like one of the greatest one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:01   things that makes you who you are that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:02   makes you so interesting is that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04   you you have a very muscular way of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:09   having these kinds of discussions with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:10   people but that's not conducive to what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:13   you're describing it i get it i guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:14   i'm saying is like there's something I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16   just repeating I guess what you said but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:17   there's something structurally about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:20   way the this discourse is set up there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:23   something basic to the structure of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:25   that is hobbling to like what makes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:28   who you are in and so I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:30   you agree with that but like to mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:32   watching that and seeing you have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:34   something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:35   you look like though it already feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:36   like poison in your mouth to have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:38   phrase something in a certain way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:39   because it doesn't get out the truth of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:41   it it doesn't get the completeness of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:42   but it has to be said in this certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:44   poisonous you know dumb down way in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:48   order to not be something that's used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:49   against you later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:50   yeah at and and there are just so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:54   there are so many nuances to it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:58   to my like personal experience of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:04   running for office and that and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:06   challenge for me right now and talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:07   about it in with all the candor I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:10   to is that I want to be of service and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:15   want to use what I know for the greater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:19   good and it seems like running for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:22   office is that opportunity or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:25   it seemed to me that that was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:26   opportunity to do that and now i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:29   know if that I don't know if I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:31   feel that way but but you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:33   potentially harm your future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:37   opportunities to be of use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:39   if you're not circumspect about how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:41   talk about how this went yeah absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:44   and how you feel about it and and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:46   like you know there are because I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3586">TS</a>]

00:59:50   entered this new community of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:53   wear their expectations in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:55   language is so so different you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:59   idea that you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59   idea that you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00   run for office which which was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:04   I remember saying to you I think insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3604">TS</a>]

01:00:06   to my mom that early on and then halfway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:10   through like well I've had harder six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:13   months than this you know I've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:14   harder three months the mist I've spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:16   three months your mom your mom said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:18   had worse months and you've had worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:19   months and then there was a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:21   moment in the run-up to the primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:26   where I could no longer say that I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:29   worse month than this man and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:33   and there were some days which were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:35   in the running force for like worst day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:39   and you know I been to jail I've been to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:46   a i have shivered in the cold hungry and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:50   tired and alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:52   uh-huh i have been bitten by dogs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:57   have a fought wild boar and that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3657">TS</a>]

01:01:03   was a day in the campaign where I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:06   had to wake up and go talk to like six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:10   or seven different executive boards of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:12   various unions and activist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:15   organizations and it was worse than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:16   fighting bore and so and yet there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:23   tons of people who have said to me with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:26   big chest shower grins you know oh well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:30   you always lose your first campaign and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:35   to think like oh I see you just do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:38   this was the sporting one this was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:41   one that I just like that was just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:45   just to figure it out the next one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:47   going to be the real time or the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:50   after that I it work it requires this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:56   what I don't know it requires either a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:58   an emotional temperament that is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:05   like being able to dunk a basketball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:06   either you have it or you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:09   and you know to to sit in a in a in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:14   basement of a community center arguing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3734">TS</a>]

01:02:17   with your opponent over it ultimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:21   like insignificant differences in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:24   opinion and then when you're done have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:29   the energy to race across town in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:33   car to stand in front of a supermarket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:34   and hand out buttons to people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3754">TS</a>]

01:02:36   not interested in you and do all of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:40   with relish that is it that's it that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:45   a that is a type and you know and i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:50   the type that sits and thinks of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:52   then looks at maps in a book about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:54   Napoleon and thinks about what that must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:56   have meant to the people that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:58   selling grain and it and it feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:03   you want that kind of person to run for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:05   office sometimes but maybe maybe they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:08   the that aperture just is too small or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:11   too or the pressure in the hose is too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:15   great but I don't want I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:19   because this is such a fraud moment it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:23   the the week I lost my first election i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:27   also know that maybe I maybe I will in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:30   six months be like you know what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:32   wasn't that hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:34   it was actually great and I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:38   to say because because we're living in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:40   world where everything you and I say is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:43   recorded and broadcast this would this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:46   will all be something I'll have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:50   reckon with in a year over and somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:56   will say well didn't you say in the week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3836">TS</a>]

01:03:57   after the the primary that you blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3837">TS</a>]

01:04:00   blah you decided that this was not your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:02   nature and you would never want to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:04   again right so now you're running again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:07   well which is it flip-flopper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:09   yeah and I don't want to live in a world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:13   where where I'm where I'm scrutinized in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3853">TS</a>]

01:04:18   that way not because I'm afraid to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3858">TS</a>]

01:04:19   scrutinized but because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:22   the book because my fundamental premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:26   is that yes i can say that the week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:28   after I lost an election and a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:31   later run for office and that and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3871">TS</a>]

01:04:33   contradiction is normal and great and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:37   one violent ends up getting inside your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3877">TS</a>]

01:04:38   own head in some ways right because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:41   mean it you know it's easy to take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:43   couple giant steps back and go well no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:46   you know it is not easy it's simple it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:50   simple to say hey wait a minute i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:52   gonna tear myself up over this i'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:54   to keep being whoever I want to be but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3894">TS</a>]

01:04:56   then there's gonna still be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3896">TS</a>]

01:04:57   intrusive thoughts of like yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3897">TS</a>]

01:04:59   how's that gonna be processed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:00   presented and repackaged and productize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3900">TS</a>]

01:05:02   by other people and then now it but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:05   know I'm saying like part of it is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3905">TS</a>]

01:05:06   like what's the phrase you're looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:08   for is like it's in your head like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:10   see you getting you getting psyched out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:11   in some ways i was in order to in order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:13   to in order to do like I've never had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:16   any doubt in my mind that you'd be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:18   at the job that you're trying to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3918">TS</a>]

01:05:20   the concern I think anybody could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:21   including you is like how you get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:23   job which seems in some ways that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3923">TS</a>]

01:05:28   not a natural fit for for how you work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:31   or how you live it isn't because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:33   you're like somebody that someone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3933">TS</a>]

01:05:34   gonna get dirt on its that you it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:37   that you end up having to fight with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:39   both hands tied behind your back in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:41   ways and you can't you can't do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:43   you're best at which is being expressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:45   about how you feel as a person in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:48   world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3948">TS</a>]

01:05:50   yeah well so you know we were worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3950">TS</a>]

01:05:56   you and I about all the things from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:58   Roderick on the line that might come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3958">TS</a>]

01:06:01   in a campaign that a that my opponent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3961">TS</a>]

01:06:06   would say that i had endorsed Stalin or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3966">TS</a>]

01:06:10   especially taken out of context yeah or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:12   that i had a that I had pillows made of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:15   owls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:16   alright alright even in context that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:19   kind of weird even in context it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:20   little weird but the only one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3980">TS</a>]

01:06:22   really came out from Roderick on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3982">TS</a>]

01:06:24   line and it was obviously something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3984">TS</a>]

01:06:27   had you know that that I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:31   that anybody I was running against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:34   dedicated interns to listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:40   podcast i think that you know I I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:46   remember how long ago was but there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4006">TS</a>]

01:06:48   there have been a few episodes where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:54   know where I really rankled people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:57   the the the biggest one was the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4017">TS</a>]

01:07:02   where i was talking about gender pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:04   equity and talking about it pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:07   flippantly and in a voice of sort of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4027">TS</a>]

01:07:11   know i mean i was talking I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:15   describing a conversation I was having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:16   with a middle-class white lady about her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:19   pay and it was it was a it was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:25   episode that immediately generated a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:29   response from people from our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4049">TS</a>]

01:07:31   listenership and made a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4051">TS</a>]

01:07:34   mad and I got really schooled at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:37   time by our listeners and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:41   people that you know that listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:44   program and agreed to disagree with us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:47   because they like the tenor of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:48   conversation and this was an example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4068">TS</a>]

01:07:50   a thing where i had crossed a line and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4070">TS</a>]

01:07:53   was talking about gender pay equity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4073">TS</a>]

01:07:55   which was a thing that a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:57   were educated on and and passionate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4077">TS</a>]

01:08:01   about and I was just talking about it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:03   a tone of voice that was sort of full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:07   privilege and full of a just lack of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4087">TS</a>]

01:08:15   complete understanding and we got a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4095">TS</a>]

01:08:19   of flack for it at the time and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:22   surprised that i was surprised not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4102">TS</a>]

01:08:25   that the response was what it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4105">TS</a>]

01:08:27   because I deserved that response but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4107">TS</a>]

01:08:29   that we lost people in that that after a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:33   hundred-plus episodes of the show where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4113">TS</a>]

01:08:36   your and my minds are on display that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4116">TS</a>]

01:08:40   even in a situation like that where i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:42   was wrong i was just straight-up wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4122">TS</a>]

01:08:45   I wasn't i didn't understand that issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:49   and was not speaking about i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4129">TS</a>]

01:08:53   speaking from a place of ignorance in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4133">TS</a>]

01:08:55   voice of confidence that people couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:59   forgive it because we had touched on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:01   nerve touched on a topic that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:04   like as a bridge too far for people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:06   it was a litmus test for whether or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:08   we were good people whether or not I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:10   a good person and so the education I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:15   in that moment or in that in that week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:18   or so from people writing me thoughtful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4158">TS</a>]

01:09:22   people friendly friends who wrote me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:25   said hey you're wrong on this and here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:27   why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:27   and here's the evidence and here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:30   details i took that to heart and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:33   understood that I was wrong and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:36   it isn't it isn't there wasn't a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4176">TS</a>]

01:09:41   where you and I were talking later i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4181">TS</a>]

01:09:43   the opportunity to say like that episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:45   2 episodes ago I really have changed my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:49   tune and probably should but but it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:54   was a it was a it was an education and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4194">TS</a>]

01:09:57   then and then the other component of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4197">TS</a>]

01:09:59   was that there were all those people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4199">TS</a>]

01:10:00   didn't reach out to me and say here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:03   where you're wrong but who just went on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:06   the internet that John Roderick is bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:07   person and you know there's still that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4207">TS</a>]

01:10:10   there's one of our reviews on itunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4210">TS</a>]

01:10:12   where some listeners like I used to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:17   this program but John Roderick denies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4217">TS</a>]

01:10:19   that there that women i have a hard time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:24   in life or something like that and now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:25   can't listen to the program and was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4225">TS</a>]

01:10:27   like what are you talking about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4227">TS</a>]

01:10:28   fuck you like I I was wrong and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:34   willingness of people to give me or to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:37   give anyone the opportunity to learn and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4237">TS</a>]

01:10:39   change their minds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4239">TS</a>]

01:10:41   um is the that's the ultimate gift we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4241">TS</a>]

01:10:45   can give one another and to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4245">TS</a>]

01:10:48   somebody fail a test and then deny them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4248">TS</a>]

01:10:51   their place at the table or to just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4251">TS</a>]

01:10:54   like I can't abide this person anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:57   because they were wrong one time is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4257">TS</a>]

01:11:00   is kind of the modern disease but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4260">TS</a>]

01:11:03   somebody from our world somebody who had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4263">TS</a>]

01:11:06   listened to the program and who was mad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4266">TS</a>]

01:11:08   or who was disappointed or who had who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:12   felt like I was wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4272">TS</a>]

01:11:15   excerpted that conversation where I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:20   where I talking to my middle-class white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:23   female friend where I said I mean do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:27   make 75 cents on the dollar at your job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4287">TS</a>]

01:11:29   too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4289">TS</a>]

01:11:30   does anybody you know make 75 cents on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:32   the dollar at their jobs and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4292">TS</a>]

01:11:37   wasn't it for a moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:39   uh like I wasn't questioning what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:43   they're there were women in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:45   who were making significantly less than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:48   their male counterparts but just it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:50   a white privilege moment we're in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:52   world I i was having a hard time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4312">TS</a>]

01:11:57   understanding how how it worked and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4317">TS</a>]

01:12:01   didn't see it and then that and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4321">TS</a>]

01:12:04   learned you know and I made I made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4324">TS</a>]

01:12:07   gender pay equity an issue in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4327">TS</a>]

01:12:09   campaign I've talked about it as often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:12   as I could and was one of the few people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4332">TS</a>]

01:12:13   running for office that that talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:17   about it a lot and in and in part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:20   because of that experience of talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4340">TS</a>]

01:12:22   about on this program and getting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:23   amount of and getting the education I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:26   did from people that were that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:28   genuinely trying to educate me but all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:31   of a sudden on facebook there was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:33   egg's a an mp3 an excerpt of me on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:37   show that was you know a minute or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:42   long talking about gender pay equity in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:44   this smug voice and it got passed around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:49   and it didn't get passed around by tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4369">TS</a>]

01:12:53   burgess by my conservative archenemy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4373">TS</a>]

01:12:56   that was out to destroy my credibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4376">TS</a>]

01:12:58   with the left it got passed around by by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4378">TS</a>]

01:13:01   the left and ultimately you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:05   probably it was it was exempted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4385">TS</a>]

01:13:10   and made available initially by somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:13   that i would probably consider a friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4393">TS</a>]

01:13:15   or would have considered a friend and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4395">TS</a>]

01:13:19   was shared most widely and commented on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:22   most virulent Lee by leftists by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:29   people i would imagine where Mike my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:31   core constituency and there was not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4411">TS</a>]

01:13:38   all that conversation any a temperature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4418">TS</a>]

01:13:41   or offer of opportunity for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4421">TS</a>]

01:13:44   explain and and honestly like I couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4424">TS</a>]

01:13:47   say well taken out of context what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:50   really talking about was I mean I if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:54   were a better politician I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4434">TS</a>]

01:13:56   could have said i was talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4436">TS</a>]

01:13:58   white privilege you're taking it out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4438">TS</a>]

01:14:00   context it was all ironic or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:02   but it wasn't they were you know it they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:06   were right to find that excerpt and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4446">TS</a>]

01:14:09   was and if I hadn't learned that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:18   you know that would be it would be right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:20   to call attention to it and say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:23   this guy doesn't this guy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:26   misrepresented himself the years how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:28   here's what he really thinks and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4468">TS</a>]

01:14:33   context of this program of me talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4473">TS</a>]

01:14:36   about Stalin and and often even being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4476">TS</a>]

01:14:39   wrong about the Beatles being wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:42   about gender pay equity was one of 1000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4482">TS</a>]

01:14:48   times I've been wrong on this program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4488">TS</a>]

01:14:49   but it was in the context of running for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4489">TS</a>]

01:14:53   office an instance where I was wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4493">TS</a>]

01:14:56   about a thing that I was wrong about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:59   thing that is really you really used in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:02   politics as a way of determining whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4502">TS</a>]

01:15:04   somebody is out on the right side or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4504">TS</a>]

01:15:07   and whether or not somebody is on our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4507">TS</a>]

01:15:10   side or secretly on the wrong side and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:16   and that was it that was a huge learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4516">TS</a>]

01:15:18   experience for me in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4518">TS</a>]

01:15:23   in running for office which was I heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4523">TS</a>]

01:15:26   over and over again from people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4526">TS</a>]

01:15:27   what you say on the campaign trail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4527">TS</a>]

01:15:34   almost everybody is too cynical to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4534">TS</a>]

01:15:36   believe what gets said on the campaign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4536">TS</a>]

01:15:39   trail even you know even political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4539">TS</a>]

01:15:41   novices know that are presumed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4541">TS</a>]

01:15:44   candidates are lying right and so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:49   presume that all candidates are lying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:51   all the time but all you're getting from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4551">TS</a>]

01:15:52   them is what they say on the campaign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4552">TS</a>]

01:15:54   trail then what the where the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4554">TS</a>]

01:15:56   information must be hiding is in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4556">TS</a>]

01:16:00   voting record their personal record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:03   their paper trail and that's why we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4563">TS</a>]

01:16:08   personalize campaign so much because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4568">TS</a>]

01:16:11   every everybody stands up and says I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:13   wanna make the world a better place and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4573">TS</a>]

01:16:16   I want to chicken in every pot and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4576">TS</a>]

01:16:18   the reporters and the world says well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4578">TS</a>]

01:16:22   what about this time you cheated on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4582">TS</a>]

01:16:23   taxes or what about this time that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:26   you had a undocumented worker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4586">TS</a>]

01:16:28   uh-huh or what about this time on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:30   podcast you said you weren't in favor of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4590">TS</a>]

01:16:32   gender pay equity and then you are then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:38   you are exposed or the presumably or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4598">TS</a>]

01:16:40   the premise of that is now we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4600">TS</a>]

01:16:42   exposed this person for who they really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:45   are and a lot of times a politician is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4605">TS</a>]

01:16:47   destroyed by that revelation by the by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4607">TS</a>]

01:16:52   the fact that they that their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4612">TS</a>]

01:16:53   housekeeper is an undocumented worker or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:56   you know and sometimes they're not i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4616">TS</a>]

01:16:59   mean the revelation that george bush was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4619">TS</a>]

01:17:02   a draft-dodger or you know got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:04   gotta a plum job in the air force [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4624">TS</a>]

01:17:08   reserve and then didn't even fulfill his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4628">TS</a>]

01:17:10   commitment that didn't destroy his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4630">TS</a>]

01:17:13   political career but isn't isn't it sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4633">TS</a>]

01:17:18   of like it's at least a couple different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:20   things or on the one hand there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4640">TS</a>]

01:17:22   there's at least two or three things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:24   this one is like hey well here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4644">TS</a>]

01:17:26   something somebody said that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4646">TS</a>]

01:17:27   embarrassing whether or not it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:29   potentially embarrassing whether or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4649">TS</a>]

01:17:30   it actually has an impact which in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4650">TS</a>]

01:17:32   case it does on on what they seem to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:34   saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4654">TS</a>]

01:17:35   then there's the deeper level of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:36   yeah that was really dumb thing to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4656">TS</a>]

01:17:37   and it is at odds with what that person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4657">TS</a>]

01:17:42   thinks right i mean one thing to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4662">TS</a>]

01:17:44   you like wearing a lampshade on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:46   head in you know 1988 or something but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:48   you know in this case that seems like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4668">TS</a>]

01:17:50   important thing and then there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4670">TS</a>]

01:17:51   third part which is and they don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4671">TS</a>]

01:17:53   you to know about it and it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4673">TS</a>]

01:17:56   that that combination of things is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4676">TS</a>]

01:18:00   quite understandably something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4680">TS</a>]

01:18:02   people find very attractive if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4682">TS</a>]

01:18:06   in the right state of mind certainly we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4686">TS</a>]

01:18:07   find that very attractive and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:08   people when we when we see where we rush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4688">TS</a>]

01:18:10   that put that poorly but when we find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:12   out that somebody we disagree with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:14   politically or somebody who we think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4694">TS</a>]

01:18:15   a scoundrel has obviously done something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:17   that's completely at odds and hearts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:19   their credibility like when that happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:21   at Donald Trump most of us chair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4701">TS</a>]

01:18:23   yeah right and this is an example of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4703">TS</a>]

01:18:25   thing where I you know I was this isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4705">TS</a>]

01:18:28   like me wearing a lampshade or be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4708">TS</a>]

01:18:29   talking about Hitler this is me talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4709">TS</a>]

01:18:31   about a very real political issue that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4711">TS</a>]

01:18:34   is on the table right now and something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4714">TS</a>]

01:18:38   we should all be talking about and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:40   should and gender pay equity is a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4720">TS</a>]

01:18:42   it's like a very visible example of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4722">TS</a>]

01:18:49   we haven't we are we have our our goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4729">TS</a>]

01:18:54   of of equity and in in our culture is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4734">TS</a>]

01:18:58   unmet and it's something we can really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:01   do stuff about and in Seattle right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4741">TS</a>]

01:19:04   we can do stuff about like the city of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4744">TS</a>]

01:19:06   seattle can set an example in the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4746">TS</a>]

01:19:09   of seattle can require the companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4749">TS</a>]

01:19:11   that doing business with companies doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4751">TS</a>]

01:19:12   business here uh pay their workers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4752">TS</a>]

01:19:15   equally it's a it's a it's a political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4755">TS</a>]

01:19:19   uh it's it's an actual political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:23   difference between people and and here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4763">TS</a>]

01:19:27   was me on tape saying saying it getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:31   it wrong and there isn't an opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4771">TS</a>]

01:19:34   I could have stayed up 10 nights in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4774">TS</a>]

01:19:37   row and went on every facebook page that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4777">TS</a>]

01:19:41   it got sent around two and join the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4781">TS</a>]

01:19:44   conversation and said wait I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4784">TS</a>]

01:19:46   this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4786">TS</a>]

01:19:47   this is a place where i was i got this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:51   wrong and and I learned from it already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:55   before i even thought about running for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4795">TS</a>]

01:19:57   office i had learned that I was wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4797">TS</a>]

01:19:59   and I changed my might take on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:03   um and you know if I were a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:06   politician maybe that's what I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4806">TS</a>]

01:20:07   have done spending stayed up all night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:09   trying to try to put out those little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:13   fire you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4813">TS</a>]

01:20:15   um but but that you know that isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:22   as an example and it's a thing of its a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4822">TS</a>]

01:20:25   thing when I when I declared I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4825">TS</a>]

01:20:27   running you know the the first thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4827">TS</a>]

01:20:31   everybody was worried about was will you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:33   know didn't you punch a guy in the nose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:35   how's that going to play you know in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4835">TS</a>]

01:20:38   citywide election I was like well if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4838">TS</a>]

01:20:41   comes up you know it comes up and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4841">TS</a>]

01:20:43   I'll I'll I'll deal with it when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4843">TS</a>]

01:20:45   comes up and then it was and no no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4845">TS</a>]

01:20:47   in the no.1 running those initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4847">TS</a>]

01:20:52   questions by me said well what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:56   that what about that gender pay equity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4856">TS</a>]

01:20:57   stuff that you were wrong about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4857">TS</a>]

01:21:00   and actually the the punk-rock article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:03   came back to haunt me over and over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:04   again because they're just people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4864">TS</a>]

01:21:07   are never there just never gonna let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:08   that rest and so all those are instances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:15   where my public wrongness which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4875">TS</a>]

01:21:23   thing that I'm happy to embrace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:25   personally and just in general like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:28   I'm wrong all the time I say a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:30   stuff and I think out loud and i'm wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4890">TS</a>]

01:21:36   and sometimes I is circle back to it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4896">TS</a>]

01:21:38   sometimes I don't and sometimes I i may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4898">TS</a>]

01:21:42   a culpa and sometimes I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4902">TS</a>]

01:21:44   yeah so I don't know how to proceed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:52   well it sounds like you well I mean yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:56   it'sit's your gig but I mean like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4916">TS</a>]

01:21:57   sounds to me like there's nothing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4917">TS</a>]

01:21:58   have to decide right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4918">TS</a>]

01:22:00   as long as its I guess what you can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4920">TS</a>]

01:22:05   or shouldn't do probably have too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4925">TS</a>]

01:22:07   events like this where you were you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:09   narrate your process out loud it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:12   like something that's something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4932">TS</a>]

01:22:13   probably want to limit as far as a the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4933">TS</a>]

01:22:16   next few weeks where is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:18   I mean that's the thing i I'm now laying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4938">TS</a>]

01:22:21   the groundwork for what my life is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4941">TS</a>]

01:22:23   to look like going forward and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4943">TS</a>]

01:22:26   wouldn't have thought uh you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4946">TS</a>]

01:22:34   like personal integrity looks like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4954">TS</a>]

01:22:37   one kind of thing you you either have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4957">TS</a>]

01:22:39   or you don't and a lot of people in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:42   race including people i was running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:44   against indicated that they would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:46   and do kind of anything to get elected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:49   and I don't mean like saying do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4969">TS</a>]

01:22:51   to get elected like put somebody in a in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4971">TS</a>]

01:22:54   a put a drunk guy in his car and yes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4974">TS</a>]

01:22:57   eventually saw what you were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4977">TS</a>]

01:22:59   about your house of cards right but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:00   did eventually see what you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4980">TS</a>]

01:23:02   about one of your opponent's was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:04   actually go quite good at some very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4984">TS</a>]

01:23:08   tight provocative statements that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4988">TS</a>]

01:23:10   just kind of leave a turn on somebody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4990">TS</a>]

01:23:12   long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:12   yeah and-and-and very provocative and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:15   then say a and then you know kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4995">TS</a>]

01:23:18   take you aside behind the curtain net at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/4998">TS</a>]

01:23:21   the next event and be like hey man you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:22   know sorry about that i just did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:25   know you know you know I've got to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5005">TS</a>]

01:23:28   after you and and it's all in the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5008">TS</a>]

01:23:31   or whatever hope I you know hope I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:33   win your support or whatever and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:35   like it's all very skeezy or can be and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5015">TS</a>]

01:23:42   that's not me and I and I can't live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:45   that way but but you know sitting here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5025">TS</a>]

01:23:50   right now and and just you can just hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:53   the hesitancy the reluctance in my voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5033">TS</a>]

01:23:55   to to come clean and that too feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5035">TS</a>]

01:24:03   an infection like a kind of a like kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5043">TS</a>]

01:24:07   of meningitis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5047">TS</a>]

01:24:09   and I have to have to process it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:14   I have to process what I want and what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5054">TS</a>]

01:24:17   want to do next and that's not a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:20   that i am super like talented at either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:25   or but that's not i don't i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:27   usually sit here and say like all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:29   here's the next five years of my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5069">TS</a>]

01:24:30   and here's what i want and so here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5070">TS</a>]

01:24:33   what I've got to say now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5073">TS</a>]

01:24:34   like that's just that's it's almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:36   you're on parole when you're not you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5076">TS</a>]

01:24:39   not in the midst of that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5079">TS</a>]

01:24:40   all-encompassing thing that was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5080">TS</a>]

01:24:43   finding a bore but you're also not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5083">TS</a>]

01:24:44   completely free of that particular thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5084">TS</a>]

01:24:47   because he's like he's as you say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5087">TS</a>]

01:24:49   start to think about which what might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5089">TS</a>]

01:24:50   happen in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5090">TS</a>]

01:24:51   and-and-and-and when we started the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:53   campaign the idea that we were going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:55   reform the political process and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5095">TS</a>]

01:24:57   one candidate running from outside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5097">TS</a>]

01:25:00   system could be an agent of reform that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:04   swept all the cobwebs out of the corners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5104">TS</a>]

01:25:07   and and and made the political process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:10   new and exciting and newly honest and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5110">TS</a>]

01:25:15   all you had to do was run an honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:17   campaign and that honesty would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:21   a a like a teleportation machine that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5121">TS</a>]

01:25:28   organize the atoms and took the disease [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5128">TS</a>]

01:25:31   out his life if you feel like if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5131">TS</a>]

01:25:34   saying things you know are true sunlight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5134">TS</a>]

01:25:36   does nothing but make that clearer right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5136">TS</a>]

01:25:38   and in fact what I discovered was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5138">TS</a>]

01:25:41   it that the that the process of running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5141">TS</a>]

01:25:48   for office involves so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:50   organizations all of whom have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:54   interest in reform ultimately and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5154">TS</a>]

01:25:57   talking about not just the you know not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5157">TS</a>]

01:26:02   just the chamber of commerce but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5162">TS</a>]

01:26:04   socialist party like I was endorsed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:07   neither the Seattle Times nor the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5167">TS</a>]

01:26:09   stranger i was endorsed by neither the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5169">TS</a>]

01:26:12   Chamber of Commerce nor the Socialists I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5172">TS</a>]

01:26:16   was endorsed by you know neither the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5176">TS</a>]

01:26:20   business community nor the union [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5180">TS</a>]

01:26:22   and though when we think about those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:26   groups as oppositional right the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:31   unions and the bosses and think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5191">TS</a>]

01:26:33   should be able to at least agree on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5193">TS</a>]

01:26:36   know and taking the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5196">TS</a>]

01:26:37   yeah the left paper and the right paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5197">TS</a>]

01:26:39   the the Communist Party and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5199">TS</a>]

01:26:42   conservative Democrats and nobody none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5202">TS</a>]

01:26:46   of those groups chose me and they all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5206">TS</a>]

01:26:50   chose one or the other guy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:54   ultimately the the reason that I heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5214">TS</a>]

01:26:58   over and over again was that predictable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5218">TS</a>]

01:27:02   ility is the currency of the realm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5222">TS</a>]

01:27:05   nobody wants a candidate that isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5225">TS</a>]

01:27:07   gonna that is the predictable and no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5227">TS</a>]

01:27:10   wants a candidate where they don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5230">TS</a>]

01:27:11   exactly how he's going to vote on every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:13   issue and they would rather have a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5233">TS</a>]

01:27:14   that they that they know is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5234">TS</a>]

01:27:16   vote against them then somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5236">TS</a>]

01:27:18   doesn't that they somebody that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5238">TS</a>]

01:27:20   can't predict and so ultimately like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5240">TS</a>]

01:27:23   being being honest and being true and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5243">TS</a>]

01:27:26   being yourself all those political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5246">TS</a>]

01:27:32   agents the one that the the commonality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5252">TS</a>]

01:27:38   is that none of them want something new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5258">TS</a>]

01:27:43   they their power rests on their ability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5263">TS</a>]

01:27:47   to work within this this broken a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5267">TS</a>]

01:27:52   crystal system and so to reform and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:57   it takes to reform the Union process of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5277">TS</a>]

01:27:59   picking a candidate and what it takes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:02   reform the Chamber of Commerce process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5282">TS</a>]

01:28:06   of of picking a candidate with those two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5286">TS</a>]

01:28:08   those two groups think of themselves as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5288">TS</a>]

01:28:11   polar opposites and think of themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5291">TS</a>]

01:28:12   as you know as as having completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5292">TS</a>]

01:28:19   different goals in mind but from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5299">TS</a>]

01:28:22   perspective they functioned up almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5302">TS</a>]

01:28:26   exactly the same which was I went and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5306">TS</a>]

01:28:28   sat down in front of them and answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5308">TS</a>]

01:28:29   their questions and ultimately they felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:32   like not that I was not intelligent not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5312">TS</a>]

01:28:35   that I was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5315">TS</a>]

01:28:36   capable not that I was not interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5316">TS</a>]

01:28:39   not that I was not compelling but that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5319">TS</a>]

01:28:41   was not predictable and and so going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:47   into the primary election i had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5327">TS</a>]

01:28:49   support of no one except for the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5329">TS</a>]

01:28:54   know the 20,000 people that voted for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5334">TS</a>]

01:28:58   who as we've talked about before you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5338">TS</a>]

01:29:00   know the long winter sell 20,000 records [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5340">TS</a>]

01:29:03   and their 20,000 people listen to our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5343">TS</a>]

01:29:08   podcast and 20,000 people voted for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5348">TS</a>]

01:29:11   it's the 20,000 person problem Wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:13   but but but uh why haha but that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5353">TS</a>]

01:29:19   a that's a mind bomb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5359">TS</a>]

01:29:20   yeah right Wow like that you know long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5360">TS</a>]

01:29:23   winters 45,000 record sold or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5363">TS</a>]

01:29:27   but I have a and we have not talked much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5367">TS</a>]

01:29:31   about the statistical fish oh you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5371">TS</a>]

01:29:34   really really close but wow wow so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5374">TS</a>]

01:29:42   that is the thing where where there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5382">TS</a>]

01:29:47   no way to reform that process there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5387">TS</a>]

01:29:53   single way to reform it because if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:56   work if you were a renegade candidate if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5396">TS</a>]

01:29:59   you were Ross Perot or if you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5399">TS</a>]

01:30:01   $1000000 and could just go right to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:04   voters and you didn't have to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5404">TS</a>]

01:30:05   any of those the any of that political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5405">TS</a>]

01:30:10   machine they at they even with a million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5410">TS</a>]

01:30:15   dollars even if you went even if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5415">TS</a>]

01:30:17   bought every TV advertisement on Seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5417">TS</a>]

01:30:20   TV and just went just went right to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:23   voters that political machine the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5423">TS</a>]

01:30:26   newspapers the the Democrats you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5426">TS</a>]

01:30:30   they still could defeat you I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5430">TS</a>]

01:30:33   have enough fame and name recognition to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5433">TS</a>]

01:30:35   overcome it is another thing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:38   midst of this that I can't get my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5438">TS</a>]

01:30:39   around which is like for everything that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5439">TS</a>]

01:30:41   you're describing about getting this job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5441">TS</a>]

01:30:43   i'm thinking about any variety of dozens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5443">TS</a>]

01:30:46   of other jobs that one would try to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5446">TS</a>]

01:30:48   and you know I I'm not not to put too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:51   fine a point on it but but you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5451">TS</a>]

01:30:53   most cases it's their people are looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5453">TS</a>]

01:30:56   for somebody who can get along with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5456">TS</a>]

01:30:59   team and they're looking for somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5459">TS</a>]

01:31:00   who can accept the system that's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5460">TS</a>]

01:31:04   place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5464">TS</a>]

01:31:05   most managers managers let's just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5465">TS</a>]

01:31:07   don't want to hire somebody who wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:09   come in and revolutionize the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5469">TS</a>]

01:31:10   especially if they've never worked there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5470">TS</a>]

01:31:12   before and so in this case i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5472">TS</a>]

01:31:14   think you you're facing also a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5474">TS</a>]

01:31:15   bit of anna karenina problem where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5475">TS</a>]

01:31:18   one thing to say like we're going to fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5478">TS</a>]

01:31:19   the system but like they're each which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5479">TS</a>]

01:31:21   part of that system would need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5481">TS</a>]

01:31:24   free as you said would have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:25   changed in such a radically different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5485">TS</a>]

01:31:27   way that is at odds with how they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5487">TS</a>]

01:31:29   always done it so but you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5489">TS</a>]

01:31:31   the thing is that the the system is how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5491">TS</a>]

01:31:33   it is because that's how it operates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5493">TS</a>]

01:31:34   that's you know and so it's almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5494">TS</a>]

01:31:36   you would have to accept that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5496">TS</a>]

01:31:38   well my job is to be electable like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5498">TS</a>]

01:31:41   I'm not electable I won't get the job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5501">TS</a>]

01:31:42   you know it's a really can't get beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5502">TS</a>]

01:31:45   that as I think the thing about it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5505">TS</a>]

01:31:48   that you know what the way that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5508">TS</a>]

01:31:52   choose somebody to be on the seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5512">TS</a>]

01:31:55   city council or the way that a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5515">TS</a>]

01:31:56   people choose and certainly the way all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5516">TS</a>]

01:31:59   these systems choose is they say what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5519">TS</a>]

01:32:03   your management experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5523">TS</a>]

01:32:04   can you show us instances where you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5524">TS</a>]

01:32:08   managed a big operation and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5528">TS</a>]

01:32:11   like give us your management cv and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5531">TS</a>]

01:32:15   that's true in business too and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5535">TS</a>]

01:32:19   ultimately what i was saying over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5539">TS</a>]

01:32:21   over throughout the campaign is it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5541">TS</a>]

01:32:23   mistake to choose managers for this job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5543">TS</a>]

01:32:26   because being on the seattle city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5546">TS</a>]

01:32:27   council is not a management job you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5547">TS</a>]

01:32:29   not managing anybody you're sitting on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5549">TS</a>]

01:32:32   you're sitting on a panel of nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5552">TS</a>]

01:32:34   thoughtful people trying to make sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5554">TS</a>]

01:32:36   of the law and if you put managers there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5556">TS</a>]

01:32:42   over and over what you're going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5562">TS</a>]

01:32:45   is people that one are trying to manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5565">TS</a>]

01:32:47   the other city councilman and manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5567">TS</a>]

01:32:49   their manage the details and manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5569">TS</a>]

01:32:52   their reputations and manage the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5572">TS</a>]

01:32:55   manage the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5575">TS</a>]

01:32:59   press like it's the lieutenant-colonel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5579">TS</a>]

01:33:03   problem all over again like it isn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5583">TS</a>]

01:33:06   management job it is a it's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5586">TS</a>]

01:33:08   different kind of job that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5588">TS</a>]

01:33:10   being on a panel and we see this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5590">TS</a>]

01:33:16   business to wear so often the hiring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5596">TS</a>]

01:33:20   process is not about who's going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:22   along with my team but Rick but rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5602">TS</a>]

01:33:26   like who's got the who's got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5606">TS</a>]

01:33:28   management experience to handle this but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5608">TS</a>]

01:33:31   this stuff this stuff job and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5611">TS</a>]

01:33:38   and all those google questions of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5618">TS</a>]

01:33:40   how many angels can dance on the head of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5620">TS</a>]

01:33:43   a pin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5623">TS</a>]

01:33:44   you have one minute to answer go you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5624">TS</a>]

01:33:49   know it makes the interviewer feel smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5629">TS</a>]

01:33:51   but in the end they're all just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5631">TS</a>]

01:33:53   Kobayashi Maru it's just it's just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5633">TS</a>]

01:33:54   see how you respond it's not like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5634">TS</a>]

01:33:57   explain to my daughter Kobayashi Maru it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5637">TS</a>]

01:33:58   seems like it's a test of leadership but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5638">TS</a>]

01:34:00   it's really a test of character they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5640">TS</a>]

01:34:02   just want to see how you respond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5642">TS</a>]

01:34:03   yeah at but so often like the ability to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5643">TS</a>]

01:34:07   answer a Kobayashi Maru question is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5647">TS</a>]

01:34:10   really salient to being a good member of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5650">TS</a>]

01:34:13   a team on a UH that's developing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:17   this have to do with selling ads on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5657">TS</a>]

01:34:19   websites that's what you guys do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5659">TS</a>]

01:34:21   yeah right i mean you know and do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5661">TS</a>]

01:34:23   really want a bunch of people who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5663">TS</a>]

01:34:24   trained to answer these like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5664">TS</a>]

01:34:27   character questions and ultimately it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5667">TS</a>]

01:34:29   like Kobayashi Maru stuff i would love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5669">TS</a>]

01:34:32   if that was how we elected somebody to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5672">TS</a>]

01:34:34   City Council that'd be great but but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5674">TS</a>]

01:34:37   know so much of the process of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5677">TS</a>]

01:34:39   interviewing for that job is showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5679">TS</a>]

01:34:44   that you have you have a detailed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5684">TS</a>]

01:34:47   knowledge of the jobs of the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5687">TS</a>]

01:34:53   would be executing the job and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:58   don't really need that to be a good city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5698">TS</a>]

01:35:01   councilperson in fact that makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5701">TS</a>]

01:35:04   difficult to be a good city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5704">TS</a>]

01:35:05   councilperson if you're if you're coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5705">TS</a>]

01:35:07   from a place of like I used to implement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5707">TS</a>]

01:35:10   this policy and now I want to make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5710">TS</a>]

01:35:12   part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5712">TS</a>]

01:35:12   see like well knowing how to implement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5712">TS</a>]

01:35:15   it in knowing how to make it are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5715">TS</a>]

01:35:16   radically different skills but knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5716">TS</a>]

01:35:20   how to implement it is the only way we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5720">TS</a>]

01:35:22   have to judge the only other because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5722">TS</a>]

01:35:24   otherwise we would have to use our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5724">TS</a>]

01:35:26   imaginations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5726">TS</a>]

01:35:27   that's because like the s80 it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5727">TS</a>]

01:35:29   it's there's a wee-wee is a test that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5729">TS</a>]

01:35:32   understand and there seems to be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5732">TS</a>]

01:35:35   relationship between how people will do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5735">TS</a>]

01:35:37   how well people do in the SATA and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5737">TS</a>]

01:35:38   well they do in college that it's we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5738">TS</a>]

01:35:40   understand it's a crapshoot but it's our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5740">TS</a>]

01:35:41   best crapshoot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5741">TS</a>]

01:35:42   yeah right our best corruption and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5742">TS</a>]

01:35:45   that best crap shoot is like the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5745">TS</a>]

01:35:50   thing the s80 once is to start measuring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5750">TS</a>]

01:35:54   people's imagination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5754">TS</a>]

01:35:56   the last thing that Harvard once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5756">TS</a>]

01:35:59   know that they want you to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5759">TS</a>]

01:36:00   write a good essay question but and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5760">TS</a>]

01:36:04   you're really really a genius and can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5764">TS</a>]

01:36:07   and are going to win the Fields Medal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5767">TS</a>]

01:36:08   yeah they want to try and get ahold of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5768">TS</a>]

01:36:10   you and they'll and they'll cultivate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5770">TS</a>]

01:36:13   you but but processes need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5773">TS</a>]

01:36:19   systematized and you can't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5779">TS</a>]

01:36:24   process that is that's that use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:29   that rates imagination and so and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5789">TS</a>]

01:36:33   are a lot of jobs that require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5793">TS</a>]

01:36:35   imagination and we just hope we find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5795">TS</a>]

01:36:36   somebody we hope that somebody that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5796">TS</a>]

01:36:39   jumps through these hoops also has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5799">TS</a>]

01:36:40   imagination if they don't that's fine at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:43   least they jump through the hoops and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5803">TS</a>]

01:36:44   can cover our butts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5804">TS</a>]

01:36:46   the last thing we want is some is to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5806">TS</a>]

01:36:48   know is to hire somebody with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5808">TS</a>]

01:36:50   imagination and then discover that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5810">TS</a>]

01:36:52   they shit themselves and and have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5812">TS</a>]

01:36:56   explain why we chose them so I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5816">TS</a>]

01:37:01   like going forward I need to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5821">TS</a>]

01:37:05   what i want to do with my life and how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5825">TS</a>]

01:37:08   can help and be and you know and how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5828">TS</a>]

01:37:13   can be best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5833">TS</a>]

01:37:14   how I most useful and just like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5834">TS</a>]

01:37:17   been your enduring question for like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5837">TS</a>]

01:37:19   few years now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5839">TS</a>]

01:37:20   yeah and and hasn't gone away and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5840">TS</a>]

01:37:22   most useful as an elected official [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5842">TS</a>]

01:37:26   i I don't know how I don't know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5846">TS</a>]

01:37:30   make it through that process and wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5850">TS</a>]

01:37:31   and retain what I think is most useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5851">TS</a>]

01:37:34   about myself and that's the that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5854">TS</a>]

01:37:38   Kobayashi Maru of this are you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5858">TS</a>]

01:37:43   potentially open to the idea that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5863">TS</a>]

01:37:45   just might be the thing for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5865">TS</a>]

01:37:47   I'm going very very very open to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5867">TS</a>]

01:37:50   I just don't want to like like the what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5870">TS</a>]

01:38:00   this whole conversation has been about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5880">TS</a>]

01:38:01   is I don't know how I'm gonna feel nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5881">TS</a>]

01:38:04   months from now and I don't want to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5884">TS</a>]

01:38:07   30 hours of you and me saying um there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5887">TS</a>]

01:38:14   a certain type of person that is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5894">TS</a>]

01:38:17   could ever get elected to public office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5897">TS</a>]

01:38:19   and it's a and there's a reason that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5899">TS</a>]

01:38:21   don't trust them once they are elected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5901">TS</a>]

01:38:24   but the job of elected official is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5904">TS</a>]

01:38:29   kind of is a kind of poly Archie and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5909">TS</a>]

01:38:36   what we really should be doing is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5916">TS</a>]

01:38:41   figuring out where power really lies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5921">TS</a>]

01:38:45   trying to affect the way that power and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5925">TS</a>]

01:38:51   the trying to affect the activation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5931">TS</a>]

01:38:53   that power closer to the source and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5933">TS</a>]

01:38:56   you know the idea of the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5936">TS</a>]

01:39:00   participatory democracy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5940">TS</a>]

01:39:01   representative democracy it's also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5941">TS</a>]

01:39:05   thought technology and we elect people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5945">TS</a>]

01:39:08   and send them up to these bodies to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5948">TS</a>]

01:39:11   perform this task and is that the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5951">TS</a>]

01:39:14   way to get things done or is that a has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5954">TS</a>]

01:39:22   that always been and is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5962">TS</a>]

01:39:24   increasingly just a just a performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5964">TS</a>]

01:39:30   that that that that squanders resources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5970">TS</a>]

01:39:35   and distracts people from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5975">TS</a>]

01:39:39   where things are really happening and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5979">TS</a>]

01:39:42   can laws be made more efficiently and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5982">TS</a>]

01:39:44   better get through a different practice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5984">TS</a>]

01:39:47   and maybe so I mean it's so hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5987">TS</a>]

01:39:54   think about our democratic institutions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5994">TS</a>]

01:39:56   and divorce them from our mythology and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/5996">TS</a>]

01:40:02   divorce them from our desire to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6002">TS</a>]

01:40:04   democratic and say wait we are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6004">TS</a>]

01:40:08   desire to be Democratic is still great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6008">TS</a>]

01:40:10   and we need to we need to chase it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6010">TS</a>]

01:40:13   we need to find and perfect what that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6013">TS</a>]

01:40:17   means to be a to be Democratic rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6017">TS</a>]

01:40:20   than autocratic or Oleg arcing but is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6020">TS</a>]

01:40:25   this method where we sent where we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6025">TS</a>]

01:40:28   where we put people into a into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6028">TS</a>]

01:40:32   process where they're running for office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6032">TS</a>]

01:40:34   and then we elect them and we send them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6034">TS</a>]

01:40:36   up to a legislative body and they bicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6036">TS</a>]

01:40:39   with each other and and passed laws by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6039">TS</a>]

01:40:43   majority is that necessary is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6043">TS</a>]

01:40:48   democratic or is that a holdover from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6048">TS</a>]

01:40:52   time when we didn't have instantaneous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6052">TS</a>]

01:40:55   communication is a holdover from a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6055">TS</a>]

01:40:58   when we didn't trust everyone to vote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6058">TS</a>]

01:41:00   and are we still practicing a form of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6060">TS</a>]

01:41:04   democracy that was best suited for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6064">TS</a>]

01:41:08   time when news traveled by horse cart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6068">TS</a>]

01:41:11   and and we all gathered in the Town Hall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6071">TS</a>]

01:41:18   to have our voices heard and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6078">TS</a>]

01:41:26   honestly I don't know I I i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6086">TS</a>]

01:41:32   I think that we probably waste more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6092">TS</a>]

01:41:35   energy and more intellectual capital and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6095">TS</a>]

01:41:38   more time running our government the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6098">TS</a>]

01:41:43   we do but i definitely don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6103">TS</a>]

01:41:49   fall into this into some silicon valley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6109">TS</a>]

01:41:53   trap of like let's let's find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6113">TS</a>]

01:41:56   disruptive way of doing government you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6116">TS</a>]

01:41:59   know let's def government by Facebook or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6119">TS</a>]

01:42:01   whatever you know that's that just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6121">TS</a>]

01:42:03   sounds awful so right I've been thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6123">TS</a>]

01:42:07   about that my whole life how how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6127">TS</a>]

01:42:09   have participatory democracy how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6129">TS</a>]

01:42:11   have actual direct democracy without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6131">TS</a>]

01:42:13   without succumbing to rule by mob right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6133">TS</a>]

01:42:19   and and do these systems protect us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6139">TS</a>]

01:42:27   does all of this all of this process is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6147">TS</a>]

01:42:33   it all to protect us against our worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6153">TS</a>]

01:42:38   nature's I don't know it's it's it's um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6158">TS</a>]

01:42:42   speaking as someone who just lost his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6162">TS</a>]

01:42:46   first election it's very hard to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6166">TS</a>]

01:42:49   separate the personal from the political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6169">TS</a>]

01:42:52   right now not so fresh I mean I hope you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6172">TS</a>]

01:42:56   have some time to rest a little bit to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6176">TS</a>]

01:42:58   not have to be places and say things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6178">TS</a>]

01:43:00   well you know of course both of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6180">TS</a>]

01:43:03   opponents now I've reached out to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6183">TS</a>]

01:43:05   asked for my endorsement and expressed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6185">TS</a>]

01:43:07   desire to work with me and even use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6187">TS</a>]

01:43:11   line and you know and I wrote them both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6191">TS</a>]

01:43:17   back it was like I'm just gonna you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6197">TS</a>]

01:43:20   i'm going to sell my boat up the Nile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6200">TS</a>]

01:43:23   for a while I don't really want to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6203">TS</a>]

01:43:25   don't want to talk to either you guys or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6205">TS</a>]

01:43:27   interact with you at all and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6207">TS</a>]

01:43:31   and the idea that one of you one of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6211">TS</a>]

01:43:33   is going to champion the arcs on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6213">TS</a>]

01:43:36   behalf like no thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6216">TS</a>]

01:43:38   the Arts will be just fine without your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6218">TS</a>]

01:43:41   johnny-come-lately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6221">TS</a>]

01:43:46   advocacy but again you know that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6226">TS</a>]

01:43:50   people will remember me as the the arts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6230">TS</a>]

01:43:54   candidate or something which is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6234">TS</a>]

01:43:56   yeah that's fine but but that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6236">TS</a>]

01:43:59   shorthand you end up being defined by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6239">TS</a>]

01:44:03   one or two words when you run for office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6243">TS</a>]

01:44:06   this way right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6246">TS</a>]

01:44:07   oh that's the that's the Union candidate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6247">TS</a>]

01:44:11   or that's the arts candidate ER that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6251">TS</a>]

01:44:13   the housing candidate or the like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6253">TS</a>]

01:44:17   said all along that's that that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6257">TS</a>]

01:44:20   game is that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6260">TS</a>]

01:44:21   you know that's going to happen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6261">TS</a>]

01:44:23   appellation is going to come along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6263">TS</a>]

01:44:25   you win if you get that to be the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6265">TS</a>]

01:44:28   that you wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6268">TS</a>]

01:44:29   yeah right tough on crime or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6269">TS</a>]

01:44:31   right and against the tunnel anti tunnel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6271">TS</a>]

01:44:35   the birth is ours called Bertha again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6275">TS</a>]

01:44:37   through the tunnel and you can't be too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6277">TS</a>]

01:44:39   many of those you know you can't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6279">TS</a>]

01:44:41   against the tunnel but for the airport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6281">TS</a>]

01:44:43   as confusing as confusing us to get one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6283">TS</a>]

01:44:45   come on one thing pick up there you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6285">TS</a>]

01:44:47   the airport against the tunnel is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6287">TS</a>]

01:44:52   well-rounded thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6292">TS</a>]

01:45:01   don't stop proud of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6301">TS</a>]

01:45:04   we're all very proud of you thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEPQaW9Y/6304">TS</a>]