Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► this episode of Roderick online is [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► sponsored by cards against humanity this [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► month they invited set boyer to help me [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► say hi to john came [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► hello hi John hi bear would posit [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► colleague pretty good it sounds like a [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► congested jello biafra who a Pepsi blue [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► fish and dyad fucking dragon lady fights [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► tied but I don't know what's going on [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► with me i was up until four thirty in [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► the morning last night and then I i've [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► reverted immediately to type right by my [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► people are all in France and it took me [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► three days to just like completely [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► completely reverb yeah that's it that's [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► all it took m130 in the morning but now [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► it seems to me that yet on the one hand [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► it is your natural predilection to be a [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► night owl but on the other hand the [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► thing that brings the night owl pneus [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► out in you is some kind of an interest [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► often online where were you drawn to [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► that are you sorting things what kept [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► you up I was balancing angels ok on the [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► head of a pin [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► oh that's so nice and then I was [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► balancing the entire contraption on the [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► tip of my finger [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► mm see angels all the way down that's [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► right so if you can sit right very right [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► so if you can imagine it's kind of a tea [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► at Rosings ani it's a little bit of a [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► circus circus but the latest la banda [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► saturday for the central pay ten it's [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► got it's a it's a flying Karamazov [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► brothers of angels ooh tiny angels it's [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► like a heavenly flea circus [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► that's precisely what it is i pay for [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► that you know I that's when people that [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► when people would say how many angels [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► can you balance on that of a pin i would [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► always imagined it just like a flea [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► circus [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► I don't know what you don't you say all [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► of them that was like sure if that was [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► the google interview question i would [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► just say all of them problem [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► yeah i mean how many prove me wrong [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► show your math every angel all the [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► Angels even all the great angels even [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► the late angel but the to the chubby [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► angel that's always late [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► i'm sowwy he's gonna come up and pop in [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► the future [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► he gets on there too sowwy bars [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► angel angel well I'll have your badge [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► I was gonna ask you how life without the [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► family i think i mentioned probably [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► after we stopped recording last time I [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► can't recall but just how i descend [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► usually within less than 36 hours into a [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► nearly feral State yeah that was part of [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► the Roderick on the line after dark [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► after dark that we always don't record [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► that's right we're just doing shots and [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► talking about life just talking about [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► like some of the funniest stuff some of [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► the most amazing [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► oh my gosh we have fun don't we boy we [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► really do we get in there we talk about [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► get religion you get sent me some of the [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► stuff that we can talk about on the [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► program Ron Paul revolution [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► well it's all in there yeah you i mean i [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► have seen you get turned into a feral [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► dog so fast faster than almost any other [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► person if you if you are not like [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► actually literally being shaved like [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► restrained at some kind of a clinic [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► well just like it as you are shaving one [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► part of you the other part is bursting [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► forth like you know Wolverine styling [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► yeah well here's the thing well here's [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► the hmm here's the thing about that is [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► that I am less of a totally distracted [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► basket case then i have been at other [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► times in my life but I am still a very [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► distractible basket case [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► so you know it'sit's you see me in your [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► home like a come in i've got a little [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► bag of stuff and pretty soon the stuff [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► is everywhere and I can't find anything [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► i don't have to feed myself anymore i [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► get i get very confused very quickly [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► yeah yeah well and it's a it's [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► delightful it's what makes us great it's [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► a great effect to have at a bar right [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► when you when I see you come into a bar [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► and you spread your stuff all around and [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► and that night riii stand by the door [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► with everything in my bag the bag is [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► zipped up and I am no more than three [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► paces from the door at all really soon [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► you're standing on a barstool heart the [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► bartender is is a is it becomes a [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► lifelong friend i'm a call that's true i [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► make knocking excellent grandma moses i [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► am ready to go anywhere very quickly I i [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► am i'm kind of a little bit famous for [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► this I think is heard of the protocol [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► the French accent I've heard it called [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► the irish exit [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► I'm not sure what kind of exit is but I [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► don't like taking a long time to leave [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► somewhere so whereas i will spread out [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► in a hotel room or your home in that [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► little special secret room under the [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► stairs i will take harry potter sleeping [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► in John's house i will keep all of my [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► stuff ready I am always waiting for the [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► opportunity to leave anywhere all the [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► that's what is because why I always [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► imagined that backpack was actually a [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► parachute right part of it is like a [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► rash you can't say what the rest is yeah [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► and i know you like to be the last [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► person to dive onto the plane or the [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► last person to dive off of the muni [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► train [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► I've seen this you I used to think you [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► were making it up but it's true you [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► stand dead still in my pajamas are [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► stopped and you're like kind of comic [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► barely moving your head shaking i got [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► like don't even acknowledge that were [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► together this can be used against us [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► later and in film you gotta get through [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► that door at the last possible second [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► house and I because yeah because reasons [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► because reason because privacy secrecy [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► now that it didn't you in your behind a [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► couple times in the last couple years [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► hasn't it didn't miss a flight recently [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► because of that you know what I missed a [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► couple of flights and what happened was [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► the airline industry keeps changing the [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► rules it keeps moving the goalposts so [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► they started doing this thing where [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► they're like well if you're not you know [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► the the flight leaves at seven forty but [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► the doors close at seven twenty yep and [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► it's like what was then the flight [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► leaves at seven twenty no no the flight [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► leaves at seven forty but the doors and [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► I'm like well no that's not on the [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► ticket dude butterflies names doors [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► doors being printed on the ticket right [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► I've been on plenty of flights that left [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► at 740 where the door is closed at seven [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► forty and then the plane sat at the [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► airport for another hour and a half or [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► so let's not fuck around with like the [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► flight leaves its when the doors closes [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► when the flight leaves so yeah I was [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► sitting in the sitting in the airport [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► looking around enjoying myself cleaning [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► my nails yes [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► scanning for a people and sandals [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► that's right look that's right making [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► sure that the that there's not some [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► screaming baby issuing citations [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► a little you know a little bit yeah you [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► want to make sure the thing about a [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► specter agent who is that you're going [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► to be able to pick that Spectre agent [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► out not by their own behavior but how [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► they react to your behavior and then all [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► of a sudden I look up in the doors [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► yes I write what I walk over and I'm [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► like a I'm on this line they're like not [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► good luck finding somebody i'm off and I [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► bet those reasons for this [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► I bet I I think I know two things about [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► this kind of i know that an airplane [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► only makes money when it's in the air [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► and I know that there's a lot of [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► pressure [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► I pretty sure is a lot of pressure on [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► the whole flight crew to keep their [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► delays down because it looks bad to the [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► company and it looks bad to the public [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► when you go look something up online [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► records on this stuff right we got [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► record i sent you that link to that that [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► that amazing website where you can watch [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► real time flight information like you [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► know you know that's not likely exposed [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► you can go and see hey this this flight [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► from San Francisco Portland is a is late [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► you know fourteen percent of the time or [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► so yeah so I'll bet that's it is also [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► that maybe there's something that makes [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► them look better they get everybody [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► backed into the fart tube quicker and [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► that looks better on their quarterly [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► report may be so I am incapable of like [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► a lot of people my generation night and [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► I don't you know we love you in to my [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► generation me let me know when you're 18 [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► months older than me or something [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► coupled in that but I find that I am now [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► constitutionally incapable of having em [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► any sympathy or even like certainly no [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► co measure commas commiseration but also [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► like no even like shared understanding [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► with anyone in the airline industry [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► right i cannot even if all the facts are [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► there if it's all laid out like oh this [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► makes perfect sense i cannot sympathize [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► with them because they are because it [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► seems to me that they have all agreed [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► that their business model relies on [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► torturing people before for money i [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► think this becoming it's funny because [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► in that it's not like they didn't want [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► to make money 50 years ago but for a [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► variety of reasons that are too likely [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► to get into today it is a naturally [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► necessarily adversarial relationship [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► with a lot of gotchas and like anything [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► when [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► just certain age you're always wondering [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► who's trying to fuck you like who's [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► gonna screw me today and like what [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► should I be looking for and in the [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► airline industry I mean that is real it [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► is totally real they're going to do as [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► little as possible for you with a few [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► resources as possible and find as many [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► things they can't charge for kids that's [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► just the way the industry works and to [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► act like it's anything else and talk [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► about things like loyalty loyalty really [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► what's your loyalty to me i can't find [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► anybody to talk to get my family on a [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► plane [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► yeah well I'm and the and more than any [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► other more than any other thing in them [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► in the contemporary world they have a [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► they have adopted the idea that [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► seniority by which they mean this [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► strange loyalty thing that you're [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► talking about like the more money that [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► you pay to us the more opportunities [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► were going to give you to opt out of [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► being waterboarded yeah and and without [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► that without that uh that by him [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► your only other option is to pay a user [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► eous fee you know to pay twenty-five [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► hundred dollars for a ticket right and [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► look at the at the middling levels of [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► that seniority you mainly get the [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► opportunity to pay slightly less to be [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► waterboarded but your student to not be [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► waterboarded but you're gonna pay [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► yeah you're still gonna you're still [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► going to sit in in a in an iron maiden [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► while we like pissing your mat so the [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► only way [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► mmm that sounds very adult forget to [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► Like lufthansa the actually there there [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► it's called the it's called the what was [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► that may be nicer [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► that's what was the one we crashed in me [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► in in the Alps the guy decided that he [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► will write that I've done I'm done you [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► know it's not easy jet it was fly it was [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► 5i applies and scheisse like sunshine i [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► was Luke chase shy set but you're [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► absolutely right knee and the only way [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► that happens is deliberate like we're [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► gonna I mean it's a total win for them [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► you get a lighter narrower seat you put [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► more people into the into the fart tube [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► and then you charge them to basically to [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► be in a seat that is that is not [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► deliberately uncomfortable [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► oh and with the lean back lean not [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► looking was you know they they used all [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► after nine eleven gas prices went crazy [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► you know they they made all those [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► modifications and justified them at the [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► time because gas is so expensive that [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► they couldn't possibly profit anymore [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► and so they had to do this they were [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► being forced to do this by economics [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► they're being forced to do this by the [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► market there was no other way airlines [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► were going the whole idea of flying was [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► going to disappear from our minds [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► because of because gas prices that made [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► it had made it impossible and then when [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► gas prices went down again they did not [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► it was not like these are emergency [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► measures and we're going to repeal them [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► as soon as this this national crisis is [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► over [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► like when gas prices went down they [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► continued up you continued on that on [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► that on that are just like oh wow we [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► figured out that we can take away all [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► the padding from the seats and people [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► still fly what would happen if we put a [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► dead rat in every fourth seat under the [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► padding but people still fly appears [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► they do and what would happen if we put [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► a hat pin in every 15th armrest wow [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► people let's put one in every arm rest [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► well let's be honest gas prices were [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► pretty expensive so happens at pins [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► right let's take let's make sure let's [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► let's make it impossible to check a bag [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► and and then it turns into a kind of [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► like world war z on every airplane as [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► people try to cram their luggage in the [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► overhead compartments which used to that [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► you know you overhead compartments you [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► used to be able to you could have a [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► skateboarding competition and mostly [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► they were empty because people people [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► are going to bags and a sousaphone [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► because they don't spend $15 and they're [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► happy they're happy to charge you for [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► that yeah so then the airline's then it [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► then it takes 45 minutes to board [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► instead of 15 minutes to board and then [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► they're like oh boy we're running out of [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► where you know it takes too long to [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► board so now the door is closed 20 [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► minutes guys to me the huge question [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► mark is well first of all you have the [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► the human problem [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► of well the human and business problem [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► of there are more and more people [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► traveling who are bringing big things on [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► every extra thing that somebody brings [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► on there i think has a geometric [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► contribution to how long it takes and [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► people don't understand like get the [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► fuck out of the aisle get out of the [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► i'll spend no time in the aisle unless [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► you are moving movement ok they don't [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► get that but then I don't understand i [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► think this has been experimented with on [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► various airlines but the way these [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► planes board is bananas [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► why well first of all there's no like of [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► seeming science to like figuring out how [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► to load from the back first and there's [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► also the financial component of hey it's [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► not it's not gonna be fair to all those [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► all those seniority people to let the [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► people in the back of the plane get on [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► first right they have to be want to [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► spend as much time on the plan as you [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► possibly can he might be at you know [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► active military service in uniform [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► platinum gold silver plus international [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► 100k with a child that needs extra time [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► right right so i mean it's it's so funny [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► when I sometimes like recently on a [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► flight was an easy flight to Portland [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► not too long ago and i was saying [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► seating group to because i was in like [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► United you know plus or whatever maybe [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► slightly bigger chair and I don't you [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► get priority boarding half the plane got [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► on your activity because you got 200 200 [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► game military yeah the diamond platinum [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► silver group thank you for your service [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► the thing that drives me crazy is [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► somewhere along the line at it as we [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► became as the airline's reduced us to [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► our tour most basic like bergen-belsen [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► that level of like a human animal God [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► people forgot people people realized [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► that even if they were seated in row 34 [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► they can put their bag [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► oh yeah right and so all the people [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► loading of the back of the plan get on [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► they put their to put their bags in the [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► first available bin right which which [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► might be on well 11 because they are [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► going to have to go by there again [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► wonder where everyone have your back [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► behind you but you're more than happy to [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► your bag in front of you yeah so this is [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► another this is another thing where I [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► used to sit in the airport and wait [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► until the last possible moment and i'm [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► not you know what when they said we're [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► going to charge you for the first six [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► rows of coach we're going to charge you [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► a hundred dollars more for the six first [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► six rows of coach because we're gonna [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► give you an inch more of legroom I was [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► like okay you know what I turned into [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► Todd Barry I was like okay fine i'll pay [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► your hundred fucking dollars like [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► whatever I if you've got me right [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► I'm just a fucking I'm just a calf being [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► fatted for slaughter you just a meat [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► wallet is the big moist media object [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► that happens to have a little bit of [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► money right and when they said now we're [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► going to charge you to sit in the exit [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► row which is a which is this place as a [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► seat which carries with it tremendous [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► responsibility and we're also going to [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► charge you to adopt that responsibility [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► and also seats don't recline I was like [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► you know what fine okay fine but then [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► i'm sitting in the airport waiting for [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► the waiting to be the last person on the [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► plane enjoying the airport ambiens not [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► yet crammed into the fart tube and then [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► I am the last one on I get down to my [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► seat which i have paid a hundred dollars [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► extra for enroll one and there's no [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► place for my bag because somebody in row [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► 34 cramming their bag in there on the [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► way by yep there's no there's no attempt [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► at the provenance they're not trying to [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► detect first of all I think they're [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► super fast and loose about what people [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► actually carry on [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► they have all those owners signs and [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► shit but I see so many people carrying [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► three things on there and they got like [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► they got a fucking create a fruit [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► oh sure their whole marriage my medics [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► they vary as medics yeah yeah no they're [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► not stopping them which is weird to me [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► it's almost like they want to see us [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► fight it out mad max-style yeah because [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► you then you turn to the to the to the [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► flight attendant [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► hey i'm in this seat and there's no [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► place for my bag and they look at you [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► like how like the other child to give [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► you never flown before don't you know [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► you need to run in here and tear people [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► apart yeah yeah right exactly [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► oh yeah we know we called your row a [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► long time ago the guy said and I was [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► like well yeah I know it's not like you [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► called my row [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► I mean I i get to get on when I want but [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► apparently there are new rules like this [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► was new right up until five years ago [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► you there was a general there was a [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► social compact yeah you put your bag [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► above your own seat it would never never [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► in a bike and I cannot imagine in 1999 [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► someone putting their bag above unless [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► you know unless it was like well it [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► never would have happened if you put [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► your bag of somebody else's seated never [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► would have had it would have it would [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► have been like it would have been like [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► you put your underwear on somebody [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► else's head keep your underwear on your [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► own head over anyway Merlin I don't want [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► to turn our great show in this wonderful [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► time that you and I have to spend [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► together [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► yes into another anti airline podcast [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► there are so many of those that should [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► be that should be a spin-off and you are [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► not you are about to get on an airplane [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► yes are you what are you doing driving [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► yes [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah i bought my flight late [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► and so I actually am in I'm in the [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► bathroom area and there's exactly hoping [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► for one of the San Francisco to pdx [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► plates [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► it's like you're 30-something center [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► seat but you know what skin [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► hour-and-a-half flight [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► yes you did stand on your head yeah yeah [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► I'm doing that is you just play Pocket [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► pool for an hour and a half but maybe we [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► could have a blanket please I'm going [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► good too XOXO festival [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► um excuse me could I have a fresh [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► blanket believe you would wake was [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► setting is it was that moist scraping [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► noise that monkey another the hydraulics [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► that's no 40 of shingles [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► ahh ladies and gentlemen once again can [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► I ask everybody with the with shingles [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► at any point our pint please stop [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► servicing the shell hundred the [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► complimentary blanket once again like [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► this comment [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► Oh once again once again into the breach [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► when immortan joe says that in in fury [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► road it's funny because like i always [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► think of the airline's you know because [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► the very very very very very first words [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► out of anyone's mouth on the plane every [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► time is like a lot of on your laptop to [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► facilitate high well Zaun pocket for a [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► quiet place for out of the heart was [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► possible it was all so here's what you [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► know what fuck this we're not gonna talk [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► about planes i also hate how they have [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► to have two words for everything you did [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► get up until you come to a full and [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► complete stop [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► mm one great i got a whole list of these [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► I believe that I've written I have [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► written these down i have with me here [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► I know I read some short fiction about [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► this one time yeah about the about the [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► use of two words to describe everything [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► ok what are some of the other ones but [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► yeah there's a lot of redundancy on a [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► plane anyway and I don't talk about that [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► I've never read your fiction i feel like [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► this is something this is this to me [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► there's a reason for that [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► I won't even read my fiction who I [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► thought about this the other day why [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► don't you write fiction there was a time [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► when you were young you tried to write [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► fiction wrote fiction all the time [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► Sheriff fiction but uh but it's not it's [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► just not in me [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► oh my goodness it's a who you know it's [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► like yeah it's a lot of work and who [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► really wants to read it [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► yeah right you sit down here like uh [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► mazing clots lives in a neighborhood in [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► a house they should always open with [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► whether that's the thing always open [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► with whether Maisie Glotz looked out [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► upon the rain the pounding rain the [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► American seen purple throw like poetry [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► at this point you know like i said my [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► piece has a young verse Smith that you [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► know the other people who read poems or [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► other poets and I know it's not entirely [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► true fiction today but it kind of feels [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► that way sometimes but it's just other [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► fiction writers we I don't know I don't [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► know I can say what I did this morning [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► i'm sitting here I'm gonna happen a lot [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► of pain right now [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► Oh No [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► you know they did you decide on a hat [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► pin in my dreams [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► now I pulled a muscle in my neck opening [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► a curtain [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► Wow and it's an easy curtain [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► it's like a real light curtain all I did [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► was whisked away with with a kind of [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► like zen-like certainly like a wish and [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► I went a little bit too hard and now i [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► can barely move my head [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► did did did did your children gather [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► around and put your you're clear plastic [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► carapace on you're not haha yes they [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► separated they spray some stuff on the I [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► guess that's probably they're probably [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► sunscreen they spray on Emma trapped in [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► your 59 Cadillac mark medals be so great [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► if my daughter would put me in a bit of [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► plastic carapace and pin my non-existent [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► metals to me [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► yeah just be like you are chrome now [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► shiny chrome she's already at school CC [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► that you saw the movie huh what you [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► talking about [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► yeah I want to see the movie the other [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► night again at the cinerama oh nice [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► Paul Allen's Paul Allen's in her life [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► and made outer and it was like a [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► midnight show and I was driving around [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► the lonely streets pretty much exactly [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► like glenn frey in Joshua Tree know and [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► we belong to the night [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► oh yeah to see you know the steam coming [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► out of this the steam holy very says [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► that cinematographic it was [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► cinematographic I was driving around the [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► town all by my lonesome just just [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► looking at the night crawlers and I was [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► like there's the cinerama oh they're [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► playing uh mad max fury road [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► oh there's a midnight show oh I'm gonna [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► go and hold them and I went inside by [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► myself in the middle of the night my god [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► and it's a yeah it's it's I'm watching [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► it over and over now about the watch it [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► over and over stage I know me 2i and I [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► don't really like a movie because i [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► watch it over and over all watch it [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► when I first got my hands on a copy i [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► was watching it twice a night which is [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► weird every you got your hands on a copy [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► how do you do know you can't but as soon [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► as the movie would end and you know he'd [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► give that little nod and then little [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► elevators going and you're like I'm like [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► that's it [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► no just turn it back on it- i really [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► like because i'll start like partway [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► through wrong I'll jump I'll jump [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► straight to the like the last act or you [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► know I don't know I just want to watch [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► that one wants that dust storm [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► oh man sequence i have talked about this [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► a movie a lot in a lot of places so I [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► don't overdo it but there is something [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► just spectacular about it and I sensed i [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► still am amazed and and watching the [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► behind-the-scenes stuff I can't talk [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► about this a long time like [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► behind-the-scenes stuff where are you [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► getting all this extra material [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► well you can be something that you [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► torrented I don't know what that is also [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► avoid torrance they're dangerous [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► did you go on the onion 1 the Deep Web i [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► watched the netflix movie about the [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► darknet at the dark the dark web when [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► you tell you didn't tell you told you [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► not to go into his work is really more [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► about silk road it was something that [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► was meant to be so it's directed this [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► directed by Bill and Ted Bell Ted will [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► build directed it and Ted is the [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► narrator and it's mostly about Silk Road [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► out cocks to this and said his name was [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► not to get the decision Nancy I'm [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► confused [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► well you know this pointer alex winter [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► this winter yeah so anyway it was good [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► and it was really sad it was super set i [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► learned that screams you ready for this [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► guess what turns out that I I one point [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► they showed they they said this guy [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► lived in west portal and they showed a [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► flash and turns out he was living in a [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► place that I go by all the time that's [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► just about half a mile from my house [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► wow did you go knock on the front door [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► is not listed as I've always known this [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► place to be totally sketch it has a real [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► Russian mobster feel you no idea if [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► you're leaving from my house take the l [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► and you make that right turn onto 15 [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► yeah by the butcher shop and there's [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► this place on the corner sometimes it's [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► a beauty salon mostly just a lot of guys [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► out front smoking coach across-the-board [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► do it right and so yeah totally [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► he had a sublet their he was they had a [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► fake name and that's where the Silk Road [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► guy live for a while [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► what a crazy if you watch that movie [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► it's crazy [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► no because you know after my after my [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► several years on 4chan yeah probably [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► I i purposely ejected myself from the [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► seedy underbelly of the internet and [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► never to return it was you know there [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► was a there was a while there I was like [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► listen I am NOT going to go gently into [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► this goodnight i'm gonna rage rage [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► against the dying of the light [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► Who I am going to know about all of the [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► dark corners as your peers your pecans [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► and research right well be you know I [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► was not well just put your nose [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► no no that you're putting your nose into [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► a lot of dark corners because up until [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► the up until the internet i try i tried [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► as a young person to know all of the [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► dark corners of life that I could [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► stomach firsthand right i went into the [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► actual door of places that the that [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► repelled me because I didn't want to be [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► somebody that didn't know uh the limits [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► of at first I thought the limits of [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► human experience and then I realized I [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► was never I was not capable of exploring [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► the limits of human experience but I was [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► capable likes exploring the limits of my [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► own my own limits as far as like a where [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► I became not just uncomfortable but [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► where I became where I felt like under [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► siege [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► you know i would i would go do i would [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► subject myself you're you're pushing [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► your own limits as well as discovering [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► the how far other people got ya right [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► and so like a good i participate in [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► rough trade no good eyewitness rough [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► trade yeah and-and-and that was part of [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► how I was trying to make myself so when [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► it went a lot of that went to the [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► internet I was like well i have to you [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► know I can't let it go [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► I can't let there be worlds that I don't [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► know about [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► yeah i mean there are certainly corners [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► of the world i prefer not to know about [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► but there can't be world's I don't have [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► any knowledge of and so yeah when I went [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► in there like who [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► who's in here you know slam open [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► hello lose it and then I was like oh [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► shit yeah and uh and then I was then I [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► was quiet and sitting on a hard stool in [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► what I hoped wasn't unnoticeable corner [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► of a place where i was like a lot of [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► this a large percentage of this is fake [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► but something or fake or heavily [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► exaggerated yeah it's like anything on [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► the internet like it doesn't cost [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► anything for a sixteen-year-old to dummy [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► up a a world and you just and you just [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► see that it doesn't it doesn't hold [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► water and I'm not somebody that can can [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► say like oh that's been shipped or [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► whatever but enough of it is enough of [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► what i saw was just like you know [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► indisputably true [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► and-and-and-and I knew about it you know [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► I knew about it in my in my mind's eye I [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► had read accounts but on the on the [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► internet you see can see it you can pay [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► for it you know and I was like a right [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► so it is ultimately like kind of [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► limitless what humans can do and do do [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► I didn't I guess I needed that confirmed [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► yeah because you don't you don't think [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► about it and they're always there were [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► always doors that I didn't go [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► you know you go into the door and [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► there's a bunch of guys sitting around [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► you go through the second door and [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► there's fewer guys in there then they [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► make you uncomfortable and then there's [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► a third door and the question in [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► everybody's eyes is like you're going to [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► go through the third door and most of [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► the time you say no as a matter of fact [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► thank you [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► yeah this second door was enough for me [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► makes me feel weird already I'm out of [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► but but so yeah silkroad just seemed [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► like a bunch of people by an ecstasy on [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► the internet but some of that some of [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► yes yeah i mean there are there are [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► there are variety of well you know I [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► don't get too deep into it but I mean [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► there's nothing there's a lot of a lot [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► of good valid and noble even noble [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► reasons for wanting to say hey look [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► not everybody needs to know what I'm [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► doing all the time then I I think of all [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► the edgy stuff going on in the world [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► today i think that's pretty excusable to [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► say that they hate you know what the [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► only way that something like that [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► obfuscation through tor works is if you [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► use it for everything if you only if you [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► have if you have a house if you have a [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► room in your house where you go only to [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► masturbate then that's going to get [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► known as the masturbation room like [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► that's just gonna happen but if you if [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► you have multiple offers her laptop [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► it's called a studio with almost no it's [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► not it's a private studio and I have a [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► fresh blanket plums that's my studio [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► look just nobody goes into my studio [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► that's where i have all my figure [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► figurines action figurines arranged [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► Michelle action figurines like it like [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► camels or lladros of devil [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► ya sure ya anyway I don't know I i feel [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► like i have i'm such an old man in this [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► sense where I i can't help but believe [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► that anything that you expose yourself [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► to repeatedly on purpose will eventually [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► have some kind of an affect on you not [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► you know borough and video games do not [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► caused by I'm not even saying that I'm [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► saying that like you know you can just [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► look no further than anybody who's [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► and like you know look at the career [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► longevity of people who do stuff like [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► you know child protective services or [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► homicide or or anything like that just [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► what you have to have you been doing [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► homicide for 20-plus years now inhabit [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► your belt sir [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► oh I speak coconuts got that they never [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► get tired now [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► now they are they're made of tougher [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► stuff but you know and i think this even [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► as like and I i have obviously i don't [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► know exactly what you're talking about [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► but i can guess it's a lot of probably [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► about human suffering and grossest and I [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► mean I think we've all been interested [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► in things whether even if it's just [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► something like research magazine [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► we're like are you know anymore those [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► those trade paperbacks of research we [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► were like wow it's amazing this guy [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► wants to hang from hooks that's got to [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► be one of the most out-there things I've [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► ever seen but like if you expose [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► yourself to let you know what is [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► something like I just I just think i got [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► i try to be careful about what I expose [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► myself to too often because it will have [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► an impact even if that impact is now i'm [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► a nerd toward you know how base people [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► can be and I started imagining [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► everybody's like that which they're not [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► no no I mean that the horrible stuff is [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► all the stuff words that you know if the [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► research stuff was all very [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► mind-expanding at the time the the the [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► idea that somebody would want to hang [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► from their nipples [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► it wasn't as Bob what's-his-name the [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► super masochist you remember him [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► sure well what's his name but he was [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► everywhere he was like the patron saint [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► of research right yeah that was that was [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► that was those were fun times in [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► interesting times but what can I because [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► when sexual it was like I choose I [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► choose to put a hula hoop in my nipple [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► like the thing I do [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► yeah the internet gives you access to [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► all those people whose whose pleasure is [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► to cause suffering to other people who [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► aren't voluntary volunteering and that [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► some that's the stuff we're just like oh [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► there's no limit to that like the [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► depravity we all there's that there's [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► this crazy thing in our in our culture [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► and I'm [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► I suffer from it too which is that [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► morbid fascination with serial killers [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► and you know and serial killers become a [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► kind of proxy for all of the worst of us [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► and that you know and it it's amazing [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► that hundreds of thousands of people [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► have read detailed accounts of what Ted [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► Bundy did right I'm like I don't know [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► millions of people maybe half and and [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► even what Gary Ridgway did like read [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► those accounts and mold them over and [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► turn them over in their minds and said [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► like wow like awful but also like not so [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► awful that I didn't buy and read this [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► book about it or were like so awful in [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► fact that i bought and read this book [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► about it so it's a little bit i have to [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► be honest is a little bit pornographic [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► cuz i've found myself drawn to that it [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► too and it's why I sometimes ask myself [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► like like you know whether it's that [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► horrible picture of the little boy [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► drowned on the beach that we have all [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► recently seen or whether it's a [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► documentary about the Holocaust I i do [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► try to catch myself and go like is this [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► how much of this is empathetic and how [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► much of this educational how much of [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► this is just purely sensationalistic and [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► verging on pornography [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► well and that's that's what's so crazy [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► because I mean we've talked about the [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► Nazis a lot and the Holocaust alot but [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► but you know the amount of time I've [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► spent imagining what it was like it to [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► that what it was like from the [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► standpoint of almost everybody at [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► Auschwitz like the people who are [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► running it [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► the people who were you going into the [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► showers the people who were clearing out [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► the shower right and and all by way of [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► in some ways understanding what what we [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► are [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► and it ended in forms this worldview [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► that I have that like likes civil and [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► not just civilization but but a good and [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► evil rights and and rules you know [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► they're all systems that we are that we [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► impose upon ourselves and more or less [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► are living according to voluntarily and [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► and they you know like don't don't [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► believe that the dark side is kept at [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► bay by rules the dark side is framed by [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► rule [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► yeah without rules he couldn't make the [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► darkside scalable but but you know but [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► what-what 4chan and what the tour and [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► what the what what the Deep Web showed [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► me was that like the man out of the [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► bonala t of it but also that isn't even [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► descriptive like Bundy was not unusual [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► even and you know and there's [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► just--there's just suffering on on top [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► of suffering in this world suffering [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► that like suffering that we are imposing [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► on people suffering in the form of you [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► think the just millions and millions of [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► people living in in conditions that are [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► are not unimaginable they're very [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► imaginable their witnesses all and yet [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► somehow we compartmentalize those things [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► such that we are able to be so mad about [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► Apple customer service or so mad about [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► the airline's you know and and you know [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► and can you can you can be sitting on an [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► airline so mad about your treatments and [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► open a book where the book is detailing [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► scenarios where bodies are piled upon [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► bodies and you're just like Oh [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► my goodness grotesque you know that was [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► 60 years ago or or that's happening [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► right now but in Burma or that's [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► happening right now but in basements all [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► across Russia or something but Mike but [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► I excuse me miss miss my I need more ice [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► in my in my free soda here and I'd end [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► it just it's something that I can't ever [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► I can't ever get a purchase on reality i [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► guess there is no reality and there's [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► only my reality my present reality and [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► you know and maybe that's why i'm up at [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► four thirty in the morning stacking [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► angels on the head of a pin yep could be [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► part of it [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► I don't know I you know I also wonder [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► sometimes how much of it is a form of [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► chasing the dragon which you described [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► as that feeling of especially with [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► heroine of the first the first how you [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► get from that you'll never really [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► replicate without increasing the amount [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► but still don't really be the same and [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► you suck you can't really you can't [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► really replicate that and I wonder if [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► there's just what part of it is that you [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► become one become slightly addicted to [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► something that makes you seem to feel [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► more strongly than you've ever felt [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► before that you know and I'm not putting [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► this in really simple terms because I [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► think there is something to be said for [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► educating yourself about all kinds of [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► stuff in the world that's not savory [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► just knowing about it doesn't mean you [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► agree with it but there is stuff that [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► everybody needs to know about even stuff [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► that's not particularly nice now do you [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► need to spend five hours a night on that [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► I don't know and it depends on what [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► we're talking about i guess but i also [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► think part of it just might be that I [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► don't know that this might sound [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► old-fashioned but I think that the more [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► what you're generally calling rough [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► trade them the more kind of shocking [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► stuff that you expose yourself to the [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► more you want to see and that doesn't [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► just have to be Bob Flanagan super [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► masochist that could also be like what [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► how much crazier is Kanye West gonna get [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► this guy's and not and i have an opinion [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► about it and it seems i think all that [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► serves a kind of addiction kind of [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► addictive personality people have it [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► just it may find more or less objection [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► mol outcomes but i think there's there's [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► something to a lot of people we're [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► always looking for that next thing [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► that's not gonna make them feel this [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► charge get this dopamine hit and it [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► becomes very difficult to pull yourself [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► away from that and you find yourself [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► seeking something that makes makes you [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► feel stronger and stronger until it can [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► become consuming me is that is that is [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► that does that sound like a crazy [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► anti-pornography kind of stance [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► I don't mean it that way but many sounds [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► like sounds like what people would say [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► about pornography i think it's i think [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► it's important for all of us to [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► recognize when we are in an unhealthy [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► relationship with Amy stay any kind of [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► external source of stimulation yeah any [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► stimulus right if you are essentially [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► anything outside of us we're like you [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► like the reason you don't take fucking [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► cold pills because you don't want that [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► right i mean any time where the whatever [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► dragon were chasing there's something [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► out there that we know is potentially [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► capable of giving us a certain kind of [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► surprisingly strong stimulation [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► yeah it's me and it ends up being any [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► time you've been in the hospital where [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► you had a morphine drip and you and you [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► see that you know you've got a button [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► you can push the button and give [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► yourself morphine when you're in pain [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► but the nurses have some governor on it [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► is not just unlimited but there's a big [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► difference between the people that sit [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► and wait until they have kind of one [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► what they can feel the pain is becoming [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► unendurable and then they push the [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► button versus the people that are just [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► like waiting for the button to reup you [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► know they're pushing it all the time and [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► that way for the rehab you know and that [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► is in our culture the whole game [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► I mean everybody out there is waiting [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► for us to you know everybody out there [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► is trying to provide us another [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► opportunity to reup re-up with Star Wars [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► reup with you the next episode of the [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► Americans reup with a cool new you know [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► the cool new shoes that you deserve [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► because you're [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► because you work hard the you know the [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► reup that the buying and the and the [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► pleasing yourself and the pleasuring [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► yourself and and to resist it when it [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► comes from all corners because your [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► Minister on sunday is also like [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► providing a version of it and your [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► parents are providing you versions of it [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► and at its the we have turned it into [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► with fetishized consumption in all walks [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► of life so that just you know to say [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► I've had enough pie I've had a you know [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► No thank you I don't need seconds is not [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► just like to potentially offend the host [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► but to be a radical like a us like to be [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► seditious almost to say no thank you [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► know I do not want to die i cannot i [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► cannot join in the excitement about the [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► new Star Wars not because I'm not kind [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► of excited about the new Star Wars but [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► because there are too many opportunities [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► for it to their you know too many [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► opportunities for that kind of [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► stimulation to to own me [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► yeah yeah and because you're infj right [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► again with the pie um again with the [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► pyrite don't know but like that was it i [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► was using pi in a different way and that [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► y'know I heard the word heart behind and [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► I was like oh sure pie but wait it's a [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► different time a different thing I i get [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► that with video games that's me and [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► video games were like I i have come to [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► realize the video games can be very [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► special and awesome but I i don't i [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► don't mean this in disparaging way but I [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► don't want that in my life because for [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► me to get to the level where i could [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► really enjoy the way my friends enjoy it [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► would take so many hours and days and [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► weeks which i might really enjoy but all [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► I can think about is what I won't be [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► doing when I be doing that and it's an [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► attractive says his hand [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► in law and attractive nuisance like I [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► have that in the house i'm going to feel [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► bad about the fact that I spade $500 for [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► this game box and don't use it or I'm [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► gonna feel terrible about the amount of [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► time i spend my five-hundred-dollar [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► gamebox neither of those four where I am [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► mentally right now are emotionally right [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► now is going to make me feel good about [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► that right but mhm but there's the other [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► like the danger i think in seeing [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► because I'm not somebody that sees [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► tyranny it as a as a conspiratorial you [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► know like a like I'm not worried about [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► outside forces with a gun to my head [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► forcing me to kneel and eat the gruel [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► I don't worry about being colonized know [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► as much as I'm worried about that [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► process of of voluntary submission who [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► and all of the all the small government [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► libertarians up in montana who are [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► worried about obama's jackbooted thugs [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► are strange to me because they are all [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► like greedily gulping at the teat of [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► whoever the proof of the service [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► providers of their own mythology and [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► products and they are buying into and [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► and buying with money all of the [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► accoutrements of their cult thinking [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► with note with no self-awareness right [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► there and and that stuff is the real [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► that that's where your mind is really [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► colonized where you know they are they [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► are the rats tapping on the red button [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► that's that that's satisfying their urge [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► to feel persecuted but so I'm not [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► worried about about the about the ATF [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► coming through the door [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► I'm worried about the heed to what [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► degree I am self-medicating by my [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► consumption of [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► and.and I'm not serial killer porn isn't [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► what I'm worried about [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► and I Anna eventually i'm not sure [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► ultimately I'm not sure what I am [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► worried about because I guard myself so [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► carefully against ever becoming a like a [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► consumer but and so but but but that [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► becomes a a strange kind of addiction [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► the the addiction of like denial and [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► discomfort and like no I will not I will [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► not watch this again even though I want [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► to because i don't want to become a [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► prisoner to it and and so what ends up [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► happening is I remember I used to get [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► into arguments at the University of [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► Washington all the time where I was or [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► what I got back from long long stays in [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► Germany and tried to convince people [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► that there is nothing in contemporary [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► Germany that would that would indicate [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► the Holocaust there's nothing in [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► contemporary Germany that would give you [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► special insight into what happened there [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► 70 years ago [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► you cannot detect it you can't detect it [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► in Germans you cannot detect it in the [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► ground is we're talking about like how [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► swastikas have been chipped off the [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► bridges and stuff [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► yeah but the largest have been chipped [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► off of the bridges of their minds to [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► like whatever it was whatever it was [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► that was in the the Germans is not [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► visible in in being friends with Germans [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► in interacting with Germans it's not you [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► don't you don't go to Germany and say oh [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► boy i see it's just they're just they're [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► just playing nice right now but if the [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► opportunity arises they're all going to [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► become monsters again like that is not [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► the case they are as committed to [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► liberal democracy there as anyone in the [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► world and [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► are just as humane as the most like [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► they're just as committed and just as [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► there's nothing in their character that [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► suggests it and so what that says to me [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► is that it is in all of our character [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► all the time they are not just [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► pretending to be liberal democrats there [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► they are deeply Liberal Democrats and so [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► that's not the evidence you know and the [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► fact that it didn't happen in Sweden [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► doesn't make the Swedes superior to the [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► Germans morally or or otherwise and so [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► it's that that impulse to slaughter and [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► that impulse to be rid of impurity and [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► the impulse to systematize not just [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► murder but to systematize in humanity is [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► in us all not even really dormant but [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► just being exercised in different ways [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► you know it's being it's being satisfied [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► in different ways and so it's all of our [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► responsibility to recognize it in [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► ourselves in those small ways and say [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► listen I am the Holocaust is in me I [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► could commit this i am not one of the [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► ones who would have stood stood up and [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► said no I am absolutely one of the ones [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► who would have drawn the blinds and said [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► oh I'm not sure what the smell is that's [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► coming from the forest right you know [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► and and that acknowledgement and the [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► recognition that then it you know it [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► always starts you know that the [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► arguments that we have about like a [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► violent movies don't cause violence and [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► the violent video games don't Colonel [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► cause violence and it's such a it's such [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► a thing on the internet that if you're [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► on the wrong side of it you're [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► like you're some PMRC anti-pornography [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► guess it's kind of a scold scold like [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► you're saying and and and in fact like [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► those things [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► no they do not cause violence they are [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► outlets for this concordance tremendous [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► violence that since all and that's the [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► thing we should always be looking at and [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► thinking about and where because so mean [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► so many people in my experience refused [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► to acknowledge the violence that's in [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► them at all and and so when violence [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► arrives on the scene even in the form of [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► like confrontation about something and [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► in a starbucks line there's all this [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► like all everyone so appalled because [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► we're all so basically civilized because [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► we're civilized now and yet any amount [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► of violence any raised voices or angry [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► looks are this like terrible assault and [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► and we're um and we should be above it [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► but in fact like we each of us and all [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► of us are complicit in murder every day [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► that's that's why didn't interrupt you [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► but this is what keeps everything [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► everything you're saying it's me [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► thinking about something that feels like [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► an elephant in the room you're [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► describing a germany where like you [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► think about most Americans and most [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► American lot of Americans definitely i [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► was growing up with memories of World [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► War two the depending on how you measure [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► what would that be the you know sixteen [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► to twenty some years that the Nazis had [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► some kind of power and and work we were [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► just they were not just dictating that [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► they had actually you know they had the [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► support of Industry and people but but [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► that was what was that was maybe maybe [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► 20 years and we still we still think of [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► yet really 15 16 years and now we still [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► think of like Oh Germany they were the [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► Nazis but what you're describing is a [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► country where it is not simply a matter [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► of having trying trying to obliterate [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► the past but trying to like actively [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► evolved to be different people while at [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► the same time [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► you know I'll be that guy we give [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► ourselves a pass for 400 years of [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► slavery and probably two or three [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► hundred years of slaughtering natives [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► and all kinds of other stuff we're like [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► we give ourselves a pass for that and we [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► look old shoes we look at all these [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► places where people are treated really [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► badly but we don't ever but it isn't as [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► that we stopped the paws with that [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► monster is still in us we know that [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► monster still in Germany because they [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► were the bad guys in World War two but [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► while it may have happened [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► the the worst parts of that kind of [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► racism and colonialism may have happened [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► over a hundred fifty years ago in our [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► case we were pretty good at it and [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► institutionalized it way beyond what the [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► church did we were able to make entire [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► industries out of having slaves but it [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► was a business we talked about it there [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► was no there was no attempt to erase the [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► record of that or burn the books that [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► showed who'd been sold to whom [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► whose child had been sent to another [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► state with no attempt to cover that up [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► because it was evolving so slowly and [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► now today we look at that old that's [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► ancient history but I guess what I'm [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► trying to ask partly his first following [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► us two parts i mean isn't fair to say [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► we've also got that monster and then in [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► second of all do you think we have made [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► the same effort as a modern German would [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► try and actually evolved past either hit [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► your historical monster because it was [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► like we aren't I the I think that I [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► think the scale of time it's so it's so [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► funny that human life is what ninety [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► years and in the course of 90 years like [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► it's the it's the totality of reality [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► right wheel we don't really know that [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► anything that happened before us [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► actually happened right there are some [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► buildings standing around that you [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► you presume were built before you were [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► born but it all seems a little unreal [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► that anything happened before you never [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► been I've never been in Nicaragua but i [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► assume it's real [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► however I've read a lot about it I've [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► never been there either but i assume [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► it's real I've seen pictures and books [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► but you know 90 years is that that's the [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► whole of our real first hand experience [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► and so it seemed everything seemed so [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► important [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► was and we are so um we're so concerned [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► with with a year and five years and 15 [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► years but really that you know like [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► almost almost nothing that happens in 15 [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► years really you know that really [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► matters or or yet it it's sort of a [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► great man theory of history right that [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► that one person can have this tremendous [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► effect but as the more you zoom out the [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► more you realize it's just waves of of [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► events and there it and it's kind of a [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► myth that that that even Hitler really [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► had that much of an effect but if you if [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► you zoom out and look at it on it on it [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► certainly on a thousand years timeline [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► but up you know on a 10,000 year [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► timeline like he just disappears and and [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► I think about this a lot of it and it [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► gets me in in trouble because like you [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► read the thing [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► not very long ago where that the current [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► thinking is that the trauma of the [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► Holocaust actually is encoded [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► genetically all right in in the [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► survivors in the next generation he said [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► if that's true it basically it changes a [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► lot of what we know about history [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► it changes it absolutely change history [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► but at a certain point like it it in the [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► immediate scale it changes it because it [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► means like oh right the african-american [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► population of the united states has a [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► genetic memory of 400 years of slavery [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► like the Holocaust happened not in 15 [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► years the Holocaust largely happened in [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► two years [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► right right and if that was like they [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► had they had that 18 really strong [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► months but it did it was not we you [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► cannot just overlay that with the war i [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► mean it it was really on i'm certainly [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► how absolutely trying to minimize it but [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► it's the the really when the Holocaust [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► or the [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► final solution i should say really got [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► going I mean it wasn't more than three [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► years really right it's not in 42 if [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► that left a genetic imprint on this on [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► surviving generations then slavery [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► I mean was reinforced and reinforced [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► through generation and generation and [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► generation and if that's true then you [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► know then there is something that then [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► there's a genetic record that has been [TS]

00:59:39 ◼   ► that you know that then starts to be [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► part of natural selection right people [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► are passing that down and passing the [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► reinforcement of it down in generations [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► but if that is true you don't have to [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► zoom out very far to say well that is [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► true of every single person on earth [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► like [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► the the just in the historical record [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► you can go back and find like well the [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► Scots were brutalized by the English be [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► you know the the thai people are only in [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► Thailand because they were chased out of [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► China 2,000 years ago [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► china's got chinese got some pretty bad [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► treatment from the Japanese right the [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► right and so and so and the you know the [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► the Mongol hordes that swept through [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► Eastern Europe over and over and over [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► again [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► um you know just wiping out cultures [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► after cultures and so then you look at [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► every single human group and you find in [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► their history like incredible trauma at [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► incredible trauma inflicted on them as a [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► group not just individual people and [TS]

01:01:04 ◼   ► then when when you factor in that every [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► single family has like up probably [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► unmeasurable trauma in their past [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► yeah i mean just I mean just think about [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► even you know so so we we try to measure [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► these kinds of tragedies by the number [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► of people who died and not you can't [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► even really how do you begin to take [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► into account the secondary effects of [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► like all the people you knew who were [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► affected by it or people who let's just [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► be honest the people who were killed as [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► part of that but then let's say you know [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► just having just the PTSD of having [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► lived through that at all even if you [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► came out of it with most of your stuff [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► in your family alive he's still even [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► imagine the PTSD of getting through that [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► experience quote-unquote unscathed [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► you're not unscathed like you'll be [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► scarred forever by that experience for [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► sure and and and I mean imagine [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► surviving a famine where where you watch [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► your children died and you watch your [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► your parents died and you watched your [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► you watch your loved ones died and you [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► survived somehow [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► at if if trauma is encoded in our genes [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► we like our forefathers all of us [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► survived like exponential compounded [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► trauma [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► it's the story of humanity so this is [TS]

01:02:30 ◼   ► the same people who passed in the [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► Holocaust also where their their [TS]

01:02:33 ◼   ► grandparents for the victims of programs [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► right and and and back and all the way [TS]

01:02:38 ◼   ► you know and everyone so trauma so at [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► that point it isn't news because we are [TS]

01:02:47 ◼   ► all baked out of trauma and and so that [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► is the human story we we are all we all [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► of us have it from there the number of [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► people who can go back 500 years and say [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► no as a matter of fact for the last 500 [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► years i come from i come from royal [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► stock and we have all and we we've done [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► nothing but eat the fat of the of the [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► lamb for for 500 years and it's like [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► really you didn't have there was nobody [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► in that family that got early-onset [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► Alzheimer's disease and and turned to [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► generation into like like traumatized [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► generation I'm and and even so that [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► presumes that 500 years of good times [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► erases the 50,000 years of trauma that I [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► seated and I pretty pretty good run [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► there for a while but then that [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► genetically good times kind of get [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► encoded in there too and I mean I [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► presume that they be my stride of trauma [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► drama shows up in the genetic record [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► then then good times and lands aplenty [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► must to and so it does it changes our [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► understanding of history changes our [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► understanding of ourselves but there's [TS]

01:04:13 ◼   ► no group of people that can say that [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► they have a that that that [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► have some kind of lock on on trauma we [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► just we can see that there are groups in [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► recent history in recent memory who say [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► like yes I personally experienced trauma [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► or my grandmother did but um but it all [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► you know it's all part of the the ones [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► and zeros that make up our whole selves [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► and so right now we're engaged in the [TS]

01:04:53 ◼   ► civilizing project that's been happening [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► since the end of world war two where [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► we've changed the definition of what [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► civilized is and we've we've all agreed [TS]

01:05:08 ◼   ► more or less you know on this kind of [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► like what we'd like it to look like but [TS]

01:05:15 ◼   ► within America obviously we have we have [TS]

01:05:18 ◼   ► two major different versions of what [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► that looks like and now we're engaged in [TS]

01:05:26 ◼   ► this like rooting out of of heresy and [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► this this presumption that we can clean [TS]

01:05:35 ◼   ► ourselves of our impulses to be [TS]

01:05:40 ◼   ► predatory clean ourselves of our [TS]

01:05:43 ◼   ► impulses to to hurt one another and to [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► to be greedy and be xenophobic and and [TS]

01:05:52 ◼   ► to live in fear and to act in fear and [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► we can we can clean that behavior out of [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► us and and walk into this future we [TS]

01:06:01 ◼   ► imagine where were kind where our [TS]

01:06:04 ◼   ► natures are kind and where unkindness [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► isn't it you know we go through we go [TS]

01:06:12 ◼   ► through this difficult birthing period [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► where unkindness isn't tolerated in [TS]

01:06:17 ◼   ► order to achieve a world where [TS]

01:06:18 ◼   ► unkindness doesn't occur to us and [TS]

01:06:24 ◼   ► that's a you know that is a major [TS]

01:06:28 ◼   ► thought experiment first and [TS]

01:06:33 ◼   ► and I don't have I don't i'm not sure [TS]

01:06:37 ◼   ► that it works that way so that's that [TS]

01:06:43 ◼   ► that's the difficulty I get into looking [TS]

01:06:45 ◼   ► at history and and then going on the [TS]

01:06:49 ◼   ► porch and and trying to understand [TS]

01:06:52 ◼   ► people is just that you know what is our [TS]

01:06:56 ◼   ► project is it to be is it tip is it to [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► cleanse ourselves and become good [TS]

01:07:03 ◼   ► sadly that was the impulse the Nazis had [TS]

01:07:07 ◼   ► to and that was the IMP and that's [TS]

01:07:10 ◼   ► always been the impulse of all the awful [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► things that we've done in in the last [TS]

01:07:14 ◼   ► 400 years never thought of it that way [TS]

01:07:16 ◼   ► is like we want to clean ourselves and [TS]

01:07:20 ◼   ► get to that you know and get to a place [TS]

01:07:23 ◼   ► where that where the dirtiness doesn't [TS]

01:07:25 ◼   ► reappear and we're doing it again now [TS]

01:07:29 ◼   ► and you know and I'm not comparing it to [TS]

01:07:35 ◼   ► the to the Holocaust but what what's are [TS]

01:07:40 ◼   ► you know what what do we see what gives [TS]

01:07:43 ◼   ► us what is the evidence that we can be [TS]

01:07:46 ◼   ► cleansed that way and and it without [TS]

01:07:54 ◼   ► that evidence like what's another way of [TS]

01:07:58 ◼   ► looking at it [TS]

01:07:58 ◼   ► what's an alternative goal where we stop [TS]

01:08:02 ◼   ► imagining that we can rid ourselves of [TS]

01:08:05 ◼   ► evil and stop imagining that we can rid [TS]

01:08:07 ◼   ► ourselves of violence and start [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► imagining how we can accept those things [TS]

01:08:15 ◼   ► about ourselves and incorporate those [TS]

01:08:18 ◼   ► things into into a true clear-eyed [TS]

01:08:24 ◼   ► understanding of what kind of animals we [TS]

01:08:27 ◼   ► are but but nobody seems it to engage in [TS]

01:08:33 ◼   ► that project because you know to presume [TS]

01:08:37 ◼   ► to presume that were that we can't be [TS]

01:08:41 ◼   ► perfect is too [TS]

01:08:44 ◼   ► it is so many people are just like well [TS]

01:08:46 ◼   ► if we can't be perfect then I don't [TS]

01:08:48 ◼   ► wanna I don't want to play if week if we [TS]

01:08:53 ◼   ► can't be perfect then that means too [TS]

01:08:57 ◼   ► much that means that's there there's too [TS]

01:08:59 ◼   ► much potential ugliness and so so [TS]

01:09:03 ◼   ► instead i prefer to believe that we can [TS]

01:09:05 ◼   ► be perfect and and and and that begins [TS]

01:09:09 ◼   ► that should begin with my neighbors [TS]

01:09:12 ◼   ► ok that perfect tap for impulse two [TS]

01:09:15 ◼   ► perfect people is going to start with me [TS]

01:09:17 ◼   ► trying to perfect my neighbors and it's [TS]

01:09:22 ◼   ► just like oh here we go again [TS]

01:09:24 ◼   ► I typical muscle in my shoulder [TS]

01:09:35 ◼   ► where's my perfect your fucking getting [TS]

01:09:41 ◼   ► old [TS]

01:09:42 ◼   ► you're falling apart right in front of [TS]

01:09:43 ◼   ► us were already cut the show everybody [TS]

01:09:45 ◼   ► can hear it nothing but never air kind [TS]

01:09:48 ◼   ► of please get a fresh blanket over here [TS]