Roderick on the Line

Ep. 173: "My Afflicted Eyes"


  this episode of rock on the line is [TS]

  sponsored by cards against humanity this [TS]

  month they invited Mike Lawrence of pot [TS]

  to help me say hi John [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  hello [TS]

  I John come hi Merlin that how are you [TS]

  haha hey it's a little early [TS]

  whoo-hoo-hoo it is it's it's it's very [TS]

  early [TS]

  that's good you you know maybe people [TS]

  get a different side of us when it's [TS]

  early i think that's true i think they [TS]

  get a side of us that isn't a quite [TS]

  awake yet be has not had a complete [TS]

  breakfast [TS]

  oh where has my daughter would say a [TS]

  complete a complete breakfast I a [TS]

  breakfast yeah and she says breakfast so [TS]

  much that we all now say breakfast [TS]

  that's pretty good so when I say [TS]

  breakfast it doesn't sound right anymore [TS]

  breakfast [TS]

  oh well she like eating morning well [TS]

  I'll tell you what she doesn't like to [TS]

  eat a hard-boiled egg and some cheese [TS]

  and some cold cuts kind of the ideal [TS]

  will be lost and at a German [TS]

  bed-and-breakfast that's exactly what i [TS]

  try to duplicate for her [TS]

  listen you're spending the night in [TS]

  Germany just imagine every morning we [TS]

  wake up in Germany and here's breakfast [TS]

  a hard-boiled egg one piece of black [TS]

  bread [TS]

  you don't know what made it black you [TS]

  don't ask some cold cuts that have some [TS]

  pistachios and then my kids but it looks [TS]

  like Bologna but then it's got [TS]

  pistachios in it in it and other things [TS]

  probably always loaf except nuts [TS]

  yeah I'll blow up with pistachios and [TS]

  then some other cold cuts you know what [TS]

  I was a little kid not like that [TS]

  I you know I I can't imagine what if you [TS]

  go to France and you order off the kids [TS]

  menu here's the kids kids menu in France [TS]

  steak frites the end and that's a [TS]

  probably a sirloin with that french [TS]

  fries [TS]

  that's right and so in France what is [TS]

  considered to be a child's meal is some [TS]

  sort of loin and french fries and the [TS]

  little French kids don't know any [TS]

  different and so that's what they get in [TS]

  restaurants they don't no one gives them [TS]

  buttered spaghetti nobody gives them [TS]

  chicken grilled cheese sandwich chicken [TS]

  fingers fish sticks tater tots they [TS]

  don't get any of that they get steak [TS]

  frites and son what can you say I mean [TS]

  if you're a kid in Germany will he get [TS]

  some detrimental own you're lucky you [TS]

  didn't get a beating [TS]

  that's right that's your back yet you [TS]

  get some kind of blood sausage and you [TS]

  get a stove and unsalted egg and a stern [TS]

  lecture slap that's what I got every [TS]

  morning in Germany every time I've ever [TS]

  been layered here's what intrigues me [TS]

  about this i mean for myself I i feel [TS]

  like i can blame blame myself i guess i [TS]

  could in a larger sense playing the [TS]

  household for causing option paralysis [TS]

  like do you want to have a good meal or [TS]

  dizzy real or you didn't even have that [TS]

  I know when people do that to me I get [TS]

  overwhelmed and I'm 97 so i'm guessing [TS]

  that has not been the case i mentioned [TS]

  you've offered the German breakfast / [TS]

  over many years it seems like that would [TS]

  it would have sunk in [TS]

  what do you think is causing the [TS]

  pushback is she developing a personality [TS]

  and preferences what's happening uh it's [TS]

  very you know she was very clear [TS]

  preferences and and if i gave her any [TS]

  option at all i would still be there i'd [TS]

  still be sitting at the kitchen table [TS]

  talking about all the different things [TS]

  that could be and what I have to do is [TS]

  you know make sure there's some yogurt [TS]

  component right because it is a German [TS]

  breakfast we do get the option of yogurt [TS]

  but if there's yogurt involved chili the [TS]

  yogurt and then she never saw the egg [TS]

  yeah so I have to sit there and you know [TS]

  that she does the thing where she's like [TS]

  I only like the white part of the egg [TS]

  yeah that's pretty normal I like the [TS]

  yellow party gets totally normal but you [TS]

  know but but dad has to intervene and [TS]

  say you know the best part of the egg is [TS]

  the part in between the white part and [TS]

  the yellow part eventually get the ninja [TS]

  level we say there isn't different parts [TS]

  of the egg there's egg the right what I [TS]

  mean I don't see any difference between [TS]

  the and she's like look this is yellow [TS]

  this is what no i don't see that you [TS]

  know a little bit of fucking with her [TS]

  head [TS]

  yeah what do what do kids in Thailand [TS]

  have for breakfast this is I've never [TS]

  been to Thailand I don't know I [TS]

  seriously do not know the answer [TS]

  i'm gonna guess [TS]

  probably like a rice or a soup it seems [TS]

  like a lot of Asia there's a lot of rice [TS]

  and soup and this is a very broad guess [TS]

  I i bet see massey part of my sense is [TS]

  that all kinds of I once the asian food [TS]

  but I was the asian american food asian [TS]

  american food in general feels like you [TS]

  take the most outlandish celebration [TS]

  food anyone that has once every 15 years [TS]

  and then make it even more celebratory [TS]

  and you call in chinese food like like [TS]

  the idea of like Chad like two pounds of [TS]

  chow mein with with like half a cup of [TS]

  oil in it [TS]

  I don't think that's the kind of thing [TS]

  that people eat everyday in China and [TS]

  you didn't retire food for typhoon who's [TS]

  gonna go to all that trouble who's gonna [TS]

  who's gonna have those beautiful little [TS]

  mushrooms in with the doc I mean the [TS]

  organ talk like that who's gonna make [TS]

  that everyday that's like that i think [TS]

  with banquet wedding food i'm guessing [TS]

  about my girlfriend at the time in the [TS]

  nineties went to China at one point [TS]

  because she had decided and true sort of [TS]

  punk rock form that she was going to [TS]

  major in Chinese at the University and [TS]

  whenever she was quiz by a curious [TS]

  person you know like oh I do you intend [TS]

  to like most people would say oh that's [TS]

  very exciting like China is booming and [TS]

  if you have knowledge of Chinese like [TS]

  you'll be invaluable to companies and [TS]

  and she was just like shake her head [TS]

  Riley at them because she wasn't taking [TS]

  chinese for any reason that is very punk [TS]

  rock common other than that it was hard [TS]

  and obscure so she stopped she likely [TS]

  black flag that's right exactly she [TS]

  threw herself into a study of chinese [TS]

  and like reveled in the difficulty and [TS]

  then like really it stuck to her guns [TS]

  that she was never going to use it it [TS]

  was never going to have an application [TS]

  she's like Superman she only use it for [TS]

  good [TS]

  that's right well and i'm not even sure [TS]

  she's ever use it for good but it for [TS]

  her one point at one point I you know I [TS]

  think she's now she said some like [TS]

  eavesdropping on people she doesn't even [TS]

  help them if they're still there to [TS]

  chinese people standing with the map of [TS]

  Los Angeles and they're standing on a [TS]

  street corner looking around [TS]

  she will you know just walk right past [TS]

  without respect much like a Chinese [TS]

  person but and blood much like Black [TS]

  Flag what do I find I can help you with [TS]

  your map they gotta get in the van get [TS]

  in the van [TS]

  fuck you they're not what you're looking [TS]

  at me wrong doesn't doesn't piss on you [TS]

  and that's not even you know Greg in is [TS]

  the thing [TS]

  don't ask for a check it's not coming [TS]

  but I but at one point she went to China [TS]

  and was there for six months and I and I [TS]

  have a lot of regrets about this because [TS]

  she would write me all the time this is [TS]

  back when people still wrote one another [TS]

  should say come to china i am in China [TS]

  you are my boyfriend come to China [TS]

  this is your big chance and at the time [TS]

  I was like a china you know seems like a [TS]

  lot of work [TS]

  it's a lot of work it's not it's not [TS]

  really all you have to do is just go to [TS]

  China but it seems like a lot of work at [TS]

  the time we get our so easy i have been [TS]

  to Belgium like do I really have to go [TS]

  to China keeping like hungry like you [TS]

  can't read the signs in china so a lot [TS]

  of work and this was prettyyou know this [TS]

  was back when Shanghai was still like [TS]

  all the all the buildings in Shanghai [TS]

  were five stories tall like it if you [TS]

  take a picture of China from this time [TS]

  when I was when I could have gone and [TS]

  you compare it to compare a picture of [TS]

  shanghai from then and now they didn't [TS]

  even resemble each other [TS]

  shanghai now it's like they took what [TS]

  was shanghaied and then they put dubai [TS]

  on top of it but at the time I could [TS]

  have gone and water around the back [TS]

  streets of old Shanghai and you know and [TS]

  those would be memories i would be [TS]

  cherishing now instead of this memory [TS]

  which is a memory of my girlfriend at [TS]

  the time being mad at me for not going [TS]

  to china but she said that everywhere [TS]

  she went so she was a vegetarian in [TS]

  China to this is the other that's the [TS]

  great part is if you're going to be punk [TS]

  rock and you're going to study Chinese [TS]

  for no reason [TS]

  also when you go to China make sure that [TS]

  you are vegetarian it's something she [TS]

  smoked and also chain-smoked yeah okay I [TS]

  are getting a picture like this is a [TS]

  issue with combat boots she didn't but [TS]

  she did wear bright red lipstick and dye [TS]

  her hair black [TS]

  anyway so she's in China black hair [TS]

  bright red lipstick i think the bright [TS]

  red lipstick went away pretty fast in [TS]

  China but the black dyed hair you know [TS]

  you're stuck with it but she said [TS]

  everywhere she went [TS]

  they would you know they would invite [TS]

  her to dinner the local people some [TS]

  somebody would say come to dinner at my [TS]

  apartment and they would lay out all [TS]

  these meats and she would say and she [TS]

  would you know kind of a you know i can [TS]

  t mean I'm you know vegetarian [TS]

  do you have any rice and vegetables [TS]

  that's what I really am excited about [TS]

  what I imagine is sort of the vegetarian [TS]

  chinese meal which is some vegetables on [TS]

  rice and those same she got the same [TS]

  response everywhere which is like you're [TS]

  a special guest we we aren't going to [TS]

  give you our normal food right are the [TS]

  other food that we actually eat we have [TS]

  like we've put on a spread here and and [TS]

  basically given her what you're saying [TS]

  american chinese food which is a huge [TS]

  platter of of meat meat pieces and she [TS]

  was like I just want to eat like a [TS]

  normal person don't you see that I'm [TS]

  punk rock i just want to be a regular [TS]

  normal person [TS]

  normal vegetarian in China and they were [TS]

  like a there is no such thing and be no [TS]

  you're a special guest here right we we [TS]

  went out and we we killed two ducks for [TS]

  you [TS]

  so she is not a vegetarian anymore i [TS]

  really don't know how to end this story [TS]

  no you don't need to i got less that [TS]

  jump in on here first of all I want to [TS]

  just point out that I just I few minutes [TS]

  ago did something that I hate which is [TS]

  talking about an incredibly large group [TS]

  of people don't talk about racism just [TS]

  talk about being a dumbass like I'm here [TS]

  it's my reckon about how half of the the [TS]

  of earth eats right yeah you really want [TS]

  one and a half billion people anybody [TS]

  ever said that about America let alone [TS]

  about Seattle like you can't draw those [TS]

  kinds of broad conclusions [TS]

  here's how Americans are you ready ready [TS]

  yeah waffles [TS]

  mhm and a spaghetti noodles and we'll [TS]

  instant coffee all Americans eat that [TS]

  everyday and i think also [TS]

  you're kind of famous for drinking lots [TS]

  of soft drinks I've been thinking about [TS]

  this a lot when we were kids did we not [TS]

  drink a lot of soft drinks i drank tons [TS]

  of softwares you probably saw something [TS]

  i did probably in the new york times [TS]

  about the incredible precipitous drop in [TS]

  the amount of soft drinks that young [TS]

  people are drinking i did read that [TS]

  article and I thought about the [TS]

  innumerable six-packs of dr.pepper that [TS]

  I consumed growing up it was just I mean [TS]

  you know what your lies and soft drinks [TS]

  were the smoking of childhood when I was [TS]

  a kid you know if you're if you were a a [TS]

  an adult and you're anywhere where there [TS]

  hopefully was not too many combustible [TS]

  things you were smoking inside outside [TS]

  bed church whatever you're just always [TS]

  smoking and it's kinda like that with [TS]

  softness you show up somewhere and you [TS]

  see hey you want a coke give somebody a [TS]

  coke [TS]

  yeah right or you you're at school [TS]

  there's a there's a Coke machine in the [TS]

  hall you'd stop on your way between [TS]

  classes and get a coke [TS]

  that was a weird thing because I mean I [TS]

  remember coming up especially in ohio [TS]

  where it was [TS]

  I can't even begin to tell you I mean [TS]

  now it's been 40 years so it's not [TS]

  surprising that there's been changes but [TS]

  you know for example i can not only [TS]

  could you not wear shorts but you were [TS]

  discouraged from wearing jeans like [TS]

  we're expected to wear like pants to [TS]

  school [TS]

  what's real you to our genes you could [TS]

  but you know that's cool you should wear [TS]

  trousers you were definitely never in a [TS]

  million years allowed to chew gum there [TS]

  was there was stuff you had to do [TS]

  fifth-grade you're gonna learn to play [TS]

  the recorder how about that its fifth [TS]

  grade gonna order a far from there's [TS]

  something so i got my dad wants this [TS]

  surely must still be teaching the [TS]

  recorder Oh music is Who music is like [TS]

  half of a room over here like it's not a [TS]

  thing anymore but I'm but was appointed [TS]

  all this you know certainly all of that [TS]

  has changed but then and and my god the [TS]

  idea of having like you have cookies and [TS]

  shit like nobody cares like but it's [TS]

  weird how all that has changed where you [TS]

  would never have soft drinks at school [TS]

  and then fast-forward to florida in the [TS]

  mid-eighties and that's when we first [TS]

  got we had a Coke machine at our school [TS]

  and i'm given to believe that that was [TS]

  partly revenue-based I think you know [TS]

  the rev share on stuff like that yeah [TS]

  they're trying to make up for the fact [TS]

  that the the tax base no longer [TS]

  supported that was that was beginning [TS]

  then and now today [TS]

  flash forward to where we are now and [TS]

  least here in San Francisco means all [TS]

  kinds of stuff about this place that's I [TS]

  mean could you ever imagine that there [TS]

  would be an LGBTQ community dinner for [TS]

  the school district where their children [TS]

  teachers and parents LGBTQ parents would [TS]

  come together at a picnic could you [TS]

  imagine that in the nineteen eighties [TS]

  for the seventies or the nineties where [TS]

  the two thousand i love you i love that [TS]

  exists it makes me happy to see that in [TS]

  the newsletter but now today like you [TS]

  are just it's so weird and so oddly [TS]

  applied you're not supposed to bring [TS]

  sugar to school at all it's it's not [TS]

  quite like smoking but you're not you're [TS]

  not supposed to bring sugary stuff you [TS]

  know that they're very clearly say the [TS]

  beginning of the year you know hey if we [TS]

  want to celebrate a birthday here's how [TS]

  well do it [TS]

  please don't bring gift bags pretty [TS]

  please don't bring sugar part of its a [TS]

  scalability issue but I think a lot of [TS]

  its a consistency issue and it's [TS]

  definitely a health issue they just [TS]

  don't want it to be that like we were I [TS]

  mean there was just sugar everywhere [TS]

  when we were kids [TS]

  everybody was always eating sugar all [TS]

  the time the street though the road to [TS]

  school was paper sugar it was or you [TS]

  could just go to the convenience store [TS]

  and I think you know pound-for-pound [TS]

  stuff was cheaper back then you could in [TS]

  your sub dollar price range get a shit [TS]

  ton of candy know yet but well you know [TS]

  and that was my sister and I had a very [TS]

  very different relationship to money [TS]

  right if if we were each of us were [TS]

  given 50 cents she would immediately go [TS]

  and buy fifty cents worth the smarties [TS]

  which would fill the trunk of a car and [TS]

  i would put the fifty cents in a shoebox [TS]

  oh yes your collector that's right and [TS]

  so then we would get another fifty cents [TS]

  and she would get fifty cents with the [TS]

  smarties and I were in our fifty cents [TS]

  worth of wax lips or those little-little [TS]

  whatever bye wax lips they're so dumb [TS]

  remember those little wax coax book coke [TS]

  bottles that had tiny little sugar fluid [TS]

  is the worst of both worlds it's bad wax [TS]

  bad coke [TS]

  except except that you you know you to [TS]

  the way I top off and then you get a [TS]

  little bit of coke it was before that [TS]

  was before that bubblegum that had [TS]

  squirty liquid inside [TS]

  oh yeah it was fresh plaster or whatever [TS]

  they call ya their fruit fruit fruit [TS]

  fruit fruit years it was the only thing [TS]

  where it's only thing you could you [TS]

  could bite into the got that same [TS]

  technology that God squirting squirting [TS]

  sugar liquid in your mouth which is a [TS]

  great feeling [TS]

  mhm but yeah so then at the end of you [TS]

  know our childhoods she had only the [TS]

  experience of eating as much candy as [TS]

  she could get her hands on and I had the [TS]

  experience of having a shoebox full of [TS]

  nickels dimes and quarters nice and [TS]

  which one who you know who else is [TS]

  living a fuller life [TS]

  oh my goodness I couldn't begin to guess [TS]

  I'd have to ask your mom I don't know I [TS]

  don't know my mom is a good gauge of [TS]

  which one of us my sister and i are [TS]

  living a fuller life to say getting [TS]

  emails from your mom is a delight of my [TS]

  life [TS]

  he's such a thorough person I loved her [TS]

  thoroughness she's very thorough and you [TS]

  know she wakes up in the middle of the [TS]

  night sometimes and sends emails and of [TS]

  course i'm often up in the middle of the [TS]

  night so one of the great surprises is [TS]

  to get an email from her in the middle [TS]

  of the night where she's decided that [TS]

  she wants she has she has some [TS]

  information on The Hermitage in st. [TS]

  Petersburg and she wants more [TS]

  information so she's done some research [TS]

  and this is what she's discovered but [TS]

  it's raised some questions and she's not [TS]

  sure she's research those questions as [TS]

  best she can [TS]

  so she puts all that information in [TS]

  email and then she has some questions [TS]

  for me maybe I can help her fill in the [TS]

  gaps [TS]

  wow nice and sometimes it's a little bit [TS]

  overflow you're still having the [TS]

  previous day and she's got you got a [TS]

  late start on the previous day she's got [TS]

  an early start on the next day as a nice [TS]

  sweet little Venn diagram around four in [TS]

  the morning [TS]

  yeah right exactly where she's like what [TS]

  is so explain to me how the nations of [TS]

  Central America all ended up with their [TS]

  current borders and I'm like whoa uh [TS]

  okay well let me mix like me some coffee [TS]

  little uh you know and the thing is [TS]

  she's not expecting a response right [TS]

  away she's thinking that that's going to [TS]

  greet me in my inbox when I wake up in [TS]

  the morning and she's forgetting a then [TS]

  I don't wake up in the museum in the [TS]

  coolest look more unless I'm under [TS]

  duress and be that yeah I'm gonna get [TS]

  this i'm gonna reply to it and then so [TS]

  we have these email conversations in the [TS]

  absolute middle of the night about these [TS]

  you know these questions or you know or [TS]

  what this is the other great thing that [TS]

  she does she makes a decision she makes [TS]

  a decision which is sometimes um [TS]

  normal sounding decision like I'm going [TS]

  to sell my car and buy a some kind of [TS]

  natural gas car and so I'm getting my [TS]

  car ready to sell in order to buy a [TS]

  natural gas-powered car and I need you [TS]

  to you know to detail the hubcaps for me [TS]

  or something like that sounds normal [TS]

  it's not it's motivated by some crazy [TS]

  like four in the morning like I'm gonna [TS]

  sell my car and buy a car was it seems a [TS]

  sensible because she's talking about [TS]

  understandable logistics but you never [TS]

  got the chance to talk about you know [TS]

  the fact that she just decided to sell [TS]

  her car in the middle of the night [TS]

  Yeah right right so but it but it would [TS]

  read as a normal email and then there [TS]

  are others where she wakes up the middle [TS]

  of the night and she's just like i have [TS]

  decided never to go into a building made [TS]

  of brick again because of outgassing and [TS]

  here's why [TS]

  then she will explain that but you know [TS]

  that there there's something about [TS]

  there's something about brick that is a [TS]

  you know that's either offensive or [TS]

  untenable or she doesn't support it [TS]

  she no longer supports brick because big [TS]

  brick is running the world and uh and [TS]

  you know retro actively she's gonna go [TS]

  back and erase all the brick building [TS]

  she's ever been in and you know and she [TS]

  doesn't expect my support in this she [TS]

  just expects adjusted this is an [TS]

  informational email she's coming out [TS]

  yeah where I'm just coming out as being [TS]

  against big brick [TS]

  yeah I'm not expected to say yes or no I [TS]

  just this is a courtesy email sometimes [TS]

  those are very long and then I Tennessee [TS]

  you know so i read that the elemental [TS]

  sent me another email like I hope you [TS]

  read my last email and I and in general [TS]

  fruit most of those I just I just let [TS]

  them go without comment and and mother [TS]

  for the most part they solve themselves [TS]

  nothing you need to do about it [TS]

  just then right because you know i mean [TS]

  i can't speak in this case for your mom [TS]

  but in some cases when somebody's having [TS]

  i don't know i don't confuse state but [TS]

  when they're having some kind of a an [TS]

  incident [TS]

  sometimes you know you you may not even [TS]

  want to initially be super supportive [TS]

  you want to write it out its like the [TS]

  person who suddenly decides they're [TS]

  breaking up with their spouse like the [TS]

  last thing you want to do is go good [TS]

  never liked right right never never do [TS]

  that [TS]

  yeah we're trying are trying to [TS]

  intervene in any way you just want to [TS]

  just do you don't even not you just move [TS]

  your head slightly in a circle kind of [TS]

  like a book Bulgarian person says yes [TS]

  you just sort of move your head around [TS]

  this is where I wish we could just do [TS]

  certain like sort of some kind of what i [TS]

  call control words that I wish we could [TS]

  use with people where sometimes I really [TS]

  wish [TS]

  ack were a standardized response to [TS]

  things [TS]

  your turn but bill the cats signature [TS]

  line act no its act without an ! [TS]

  somebody says a temp job I i want to [TS]

  know your thoughts about how chemtrails [TS]

  are affecting our ability to overturn [TS]

  gun laws and my response that would be [TS]

  act which i think in in the world of of [TS]

  radio communications it's just to say [TS]

  that i received your message [TS]

  mhm that's really all i have to say i [TS]

  have absolutely nothing to say i just [TS]

  wanna let you know that it got through [TS]

  mms not even necessarily is implied [TS]

  thank you i'm doing really thank you i'm [TS]

  just saying your message arrived and it [TS]

  has i processed [TS]

  yeah I somebody lectured me on the last [TS]

  Joe Cruz somebody pulled up a chair and [TS]

  was like I just wanted to say that I'm [TS]

  very concerned about blank [TS]

  and it was it was in it it was an [TS]

  attempt on their part to to make the [TS]

  story about them and get some attention [TS]

  and at the end of their you know little [TS]

  sort of mini lecture I leaned forward [TS]

  and I said thank you for your message [TS]

  and it was and that's a really good [TS]

  response [TS]

  it was really wonderful they were very [TS]

  confused and and you know and ask a [TS]

  couple of follow-up questions and i [TS]

  think i said i just am glad that you [TS]

  feel safe enough to send me to give me [TS]

  this message [TS]

  i watch some people and their [TS]

  interactions with people other people [TS]

  and some people just seem to have I [TS]

  don't know it's some kind of almost [TS]

  magical ability to not get into a [TS]

  thistle with people when you know [TS]

  sometimes people were you know I I have [TS]

  friends that even when they agree with [TS]

  you sound like they're arguing with you [TS]

  there's other kinds of people that sound [TS]

  really tuned out like they didn't [TS]

  actually hear it but people LLC in some [TS]

  cases politicians who are really good at [TS]

  having an interaction with somebody that [TS]

  combines that Obama likely a Clinton [TS]

  like ability to have empathy and Obama [TS]

  like ability to say like you know I i [TS]

  understand you know I i I'm gratified by [TS]

  the intelligence of your thought [TS]

  combined with the John Hodgman thing of [TS]

  like we're pretty much done here you [TS]

  know but they could put all those [TS]

  together and you've got the super person [TS]

  of communication where you're ready to [TS]

  accept and be this is kind of also where [TS]

  I could wish i could say God bless you [TS]

  and you better not at all the great [TS]

  because it isn't a great response [TS]

  god bless you bless you like somebody [TS]

  pulls up a chair that concerns you say [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  god bless you god bless you god bless [TS]

  you for bless you for saying it's got [TS]

  but you just got bless you [TS]

  yeah I don't have the ability to to do [TS]

  that either i'm i'm getting in I'm [TS]

  allowing myself to get involved in fewer [TS]

  practices track-by-track I am um and [TS]

  part of that is is yeah learning that [TS]

  kind of ninja like that you know [TS]

  thank you thank you for trusting me with [TS]

  your comments like that's kind of what [TS]

  you're saying thank you for trusting me [TS]

  with your trusting me that i will value [TS]

  your comments [TS]

  and you know it's very much like ack [TS]

  although you know I'm starting to think [TS]

  about ack i think of act as a bill the [TS]

  cat [TS]

  yeah absolutely but that's a key ! but i [TS]

  bet you there are a lot of our listeners [TS]

  who immediately thought of Kathy of [TS]

  course [TS]

  so which act is the which act as the [TS]

  canonical act i think we got a problem [TS]

  here we got wet a lot and why they [TS]

  called a term of art it's going to mean [TS]

  very different things in very different [TS]

  places [TS]

  sure a kathy ack and build a cat attack [TS]

  communicate entirely different [TS]

  yeah one with Kathy that's what back [TS]

  back because she's having some kind of [TS]

  an existential moment [TS]

  oh she's trying I'm just trying on [TS]

  bathing suits yeah [TS]

  Irving is not calling her no ack ack and [TS]

  then with bill it's more like a crack [TS]

  right ladies got a hairball up and i [TS]

  doubt kathy had that many hairballs but [TS]

  which one you know which one is closer [TS]

  yours yours has no ! not quite a [TS]

  hairball ack but but you're not worried [TS]

  about Irving either i'm on the way I [TS]

  think we might have talked about this [TS]

  several years ago but i'm on the page [TS]

  for voice procedure which as you know it [TS]

  is a very interesting wikipedia page [TS]

  here i want to talk about some fine [TS]

  distinctions here in my sweat but I hate [TS]

  to interrupt but I swear to God I [TS]

  thought you were about to say i'm on the [TS]

  page for Kathy I thought you were gonna [TS]

  say that you were part of a newsgroup or [TS]

  some kind of anything even got the [TS]

  t-shirt [TS]

  i'm on the rage like Addie it up [TS]

  he's a mod for the really Kathy page ok [TS]

  so anyway if you're the stage well let's [TS]

  let's close the thread if you go to [TS]

  Wikipedia disambiguation page for AXA [TS]

  the last entry on the pages see also [TS]

  Kathy really ok so let me I'm gonna go [TS]

  through a few of these and I'm doing [TS]

  what in academics is called [TS]

  problematizing i'm gonna give you a few [TS]

  different words that all mean things you [TS]

  ready [TS]

  ten-four means message received [TS]

  I understand okay all right now we also [TS]

  got affirmative which means yes right [TS]

  you got that for example come in [TS]

  which means you can start speaking now [TS]

  you've got Roger which says i have [TS]

  received all the last transmission and [TS]

  then let's make the distinction that [TS]

  people don't make wilco isn't it will i [TS]

  owe their yes with an employee you don't [TS]

  need to say Roger Wilco because Roger is [TS]

  implied in a wilco so if you say wilco [TS]

  it means I got your message and i will [TS]

  comply with it so maybe again now maybe [TS]

  I'm being a little bit fancy here but I [TS]

  think there's a big difference between [TS]

  10-4 affirmative cop come in in the case [TS]

  is saying like I understand you keep [TS]

  talking [TS]

  wilco vs roger i think they're all [TS]

  different things [TS]

  these could be things we use in [TS]

  day-to-day conversation that could [TS]

  really help a lot if we all adapted the [TS]

  subtleness of this [TS]

  yeah the problem is that roger has [TS]

  turned into yes i agree like high-five [TS]

  and right and 10 for has turned into yes [TS]

  i agree you know you if somebody says [TS]

  something to you and you save tension or [TS]

  everything you know everything will go [TS]

  with applied Roger that's right [TS]

  everything exactly right everything has [TS]

  become a wilco except for one [TS]

  well you know I had a friend used to say [TS]

  copy copy means I heard what you just [TS]

  said yeah I copy [TS]

  that's very copy similar to 10 for it [TS]

  sounds like it's similar to 10 4 or [TS]

  similar to Roger and but copy retains i [TS]

  think a little bit of it's a little bit [TS]

  of the ambiguity of like I he I register [TS]

  your transmission but i'm not you know [TS]

  that but i but i bypass no judgment copy [TS]

  boy here's one I love the definition of [TS]

  this one I can give you that the term [TS]

  you the definition to confirm that you [TS]

  have received and understood the [TS]

  contents of the transmission so far you [TS]

  know you say Roger so far [TS]

  Rogers so far how handy would that be on [TS]

  the choco cruise i have never heard [TS]

  Roger so far out in the wilderness no [TS]

  one has ever done was supported there's [TS]

  several of these involving if you're [TS]

  actually if you really using this and [TS]

  another there's a there's a reason they [TS]

  use all these and they mean different [TS]

  things and like what's the one in [TS]

  artillery that you don't want to get [TS]

  wrong as it go ahead [TS]

  uh-huh it but I think in artillery if [TS]

  you say go ahead and believe it's go [TS]

  ahead if you say that over the radio [TS]

  that means you are free to fire it will [TS]

  at the last position that we fire [TS]

  go ahead and go ahead yeah you want to [TS]

  avoid that is it go ahead or is it again [TS]

  come again or something like that anyway [TS]

  we talked about pan-pan we talk about [TS]

  that one before [TS]

  ready to copy but the idea is if you're [TS]

  sitting there and you're flying your [TS]

  your your aircraft you know you don't [TS]

  have a lot of free hands there's that [TS]

  there is information that has to be [TS]

  passed along you know you don't always [TS]

  have the dr strangelove machine in the [TS]

  file uh folders so sometimes you gotta [TS]

  write stuff down I'm just saying Roger [TS]

  so far I kind of like that [TS]

  Roger so far right so far right there's [TS]

  so much there so there's so much that we [TS]

  could we could benefit I think from [TS]

  returning to the age of military radio [TS]

  my god on how Henry is how great is this [TS]

  Roger far messages lasting over 20 [TS]

  seconds are prefixed by the pro word [TS]

  long message long message so you let [TS]

  people now grab a chair [TS]

  it's ready a long message and then you [TS]

  say Roger so far that's right uh there's [TS]

  more to this tweet 739 so so I yeah I [TS]

  wonder you know tweets are very much in [TS]

  this vein of of like Telegraph Telegraph [TS]

  messages but there are no exclamation [TS]

  points in military radio huh right you [TS]

  never never again we're back to the [TS]

  punctuation how do you say I mean how do [TS]

  you say stat which is a which is [TS]

  something you say in an emergency room [TS]

  you don't say that on over the radio but [TS]

  how do you say like this is urgent and [TS]

  mash or possibly helping heroes you [TS]

  would say it has on the double [TS]

  on the double or she now if your dad who [TS]

  served in World War two [TS]

  Snell ever get our dad used to say that [TS]

  sergeant schultz with dads who served in [TS]

  the European theater might have said [TS]

  Chanel [TS]

  uh my dad was in the in the Pacific [TS]

  Theater and so did not ever say Chanel [TS]

  never seen my pile [TS]

  shall I heard I heard those things ? [TS]

  showers with these to yell at the [TS]

  beatles haha i had you know I was [TS]

  friends when I was a little kid not [TS]

  little but like when I was in grade [TS]

  school in Seattle I had two friends twin [TS]

  boys Thomas and Peter and their father [TS]

  had served in world war two with the [TS]

  Germans and was a doctor and their house [TS]

  was very very interesting [TS]

  he was a he was a distant man with a [TS]

  beard which was unusual at the time so [TS]

  he brought home a little bit of Germany [TS]

  back to the household [TS]

  that's right and his and his wife was [TS]

  germany with it was a very German family [TS]

  and toms and Peter spoke fluent German [TS]

  and English and would would go in and [TS]

  out of German in English sort of [TS]

  unconsciously was the first time i've [TS]

  ever seen that they were both good [TS]

  friends they had a marklin n scale train [TS]

  set that that may be duplicated their [TS]

  father's hometown it was the most [TS]

  incredible thing you know I'd seen h/o [TS]

  trains sounds like an amazing charlie [TS]

  kaufman movie it was fantastic just [TS]

  fantastic there there and they had a [TS]

  very sort of n is n scale the kind of a [TS]

  little one little one that fits inside [TS]

  of a walnut [TS]

  it's not as easy scale but it's a 10 [TS]

  skills it's a little bit bigger than the [TS]

  academia every kind of that there was [TS]

  that i used to be i could name every [TS]

  scale train that would fit inside and [TS]

  get HL HL fancy I'm but they had one of [TS]

  those houses sort of a Brady Bunch house [TS]

  but it was perched on a hillside which [TS]

  was covered with trees and mosses and [TS]

  northwest Brady Bunch house and Peter [TS]

  Thomas XD so they had one of those lives [TS]

  with their father would give them old [TS]

  radios at and all you know he would find [TS]

  old electronic stuff and give it to them [TS]

  and they had a soldering gun and they [TS]

  would take apart electronic things and [TS]

  rebuild them into other things [TS]

  and as a kid you know as a as a 78 year [TS]

  old kid they just seems like a miracle [TS]

  workers they could speak multiple [TS]

  languages they have these crazy little [TS]

  trains they could rebuild radios and you [TS]

  know I was I was the same age as them [TS]

  and and smart like them but I was like [TS]

  putting on my mother's lipstick and [TS]

  sitting in the sandbox covering my head [TS]

  with sand like I was completely i was [TS]

  completely useless relative to them [TS]

  right they could repair they could have [TS]

  prepared a jeep and I but I looked like [TS]

  a bipolar person having once throughout [TS]

  my entire child had had no you had no [TS]

  useful skills unless you were unless you [TS]

  were doing like an all kid version of [TS]

  rocky horror picture show and then I [TS]

  could I could play any role Thomason [TS]

  Peter and I looked them up later [TS]

  I look I went found them again when we [TS]

  were all kind of young adults and they [TS]

  were like in a fraternity and they were [TS]

  wearing tank tops it was so confusing [TS]

  you know I really wanted to run really [TS]

  wanted to find them and they were like [TS]

  in a laboratory but they had they made [TS]

  some they made a transition in a [TS]

  different direction they were there were [TS]

  in tank tops with where you were friends [TS]

  with somebody that ended up in a tank [TS]

  mom [TS]

  mmm let me think [TS]

  well i have to tell you uh I came up at [TS]

  a time when it was much more acceptable [TS]

  for everyone to wear a tanktop we did [TS]

  not call them wife beaters they work [TS]

  tank tops and really this is a not so [TS]

  long before the era of the half shirt [TS]

  but I war tank top my friend John war [TS]

  tank top my we all wear tank tops what [TS]

  you did in the late seventies the tank [TS]

  top was a look i enjoyed tank tops I [TS]

  really did until I became [TS]

  until I became husky oh and a tank top [TS]

  is not a good look on a husky kid can i [TS]

  get like sort of a philip seymour [TS]

  hoffman Boogie Nights kind of look [TS]

  yeah thank you that's exactly right and [TS]

  I did not want I didn't want that but up [TS]

  until that port i was very protective pi [TS]

  have some great i had great tank tops [TS]

  and a yellow stripe tank top I had maybe [TS]

  I had to take up with a baseball player [TS]

  on it you know they were they were good [TS]

  were good trips i had a generalized [TS]

  problem with sleeveless shirts where I [TS]

  could get away with the tank-tank what [TS]

  tank tank tank top ten I was actually [TS]

  technically what I was 10 or 11 but as [TS]

  soon as I started to smell [TS]

  I think I really benefited from shirts [TS]

  they had more cloth you're saying when [TS]

  you when you came into your agency my [TS]

  special time and started to produce [TS]

  pheromonal so yes you got but also i was [TS]

  a sweater so it when I wore my Joey [TS]

  Elliott my off-brand Joe Elliott def [TS]

  leppard british flag shirt with no [TS]

  sleeves i mean i would ruin that thing I [TS]

  had some some big some big pit stains on [TS]

  this [TS]

  did you really wear a sleeveless british [TS]

  flag t-shirt [TS]

  yeah there's one kid in my school that [TS]

  wore a sleeveless British like t-shirt [TS]

  his name is Ernie Dumas key [TS]

  ok and and I remember to this day i felt [TS]

  like it was a bold choice he was that [TS]

  part of a choice in 1983 well in Alaska [TS]

  the sleeplessness was right away like [TS]

  even the fact that i was war at that I [TS]

  was wearing boat shoes with no socks [TS]

  which is totally equivalent like a top [TS]

  sider like a top sider like a [TS]

  red-colored top-sider with no socks it's [TS]

  20 degrees below zero outside and there [TS]

  there's five feet of snow on the ground [TS]

  but I'm wearing this like like Nantucket [TS]

  style [TS]

  because that's what you know that's what [TS]

  I would that those were the poor choices [TS]

  I was making Ernie was wearing a British [TS]

  flag sleeveless t-shirt also a poor [TS]

  choice also a little culturally [TS]

  appropriate m.o.b point-to-point but [TS]

  from my from my top siders with no socks [TS]

  perspective it just felt like you know [TS]

  what exactly are you [TS]

  what exactly are you reppin Ernie he [TS]

  could have easily turned the tables on [TS]

  me and said what are you reppin both of [TS]

  us should have been in Shirelles with [TS]

  like you know with Parker's on but here [TS]

  we are both like wrapping some kind of [TS]

  other climbers we called not yet the [TS]

  Alaskan standoff [TS]

  yeah right guys an inappropriate guard [TS]

  who's gonna go down first [TS]

  who which one which one is going to cop [TS]

  to the fact that they are fashion victim [TS]

  em high school fashion victim and not [TS]

  dressed appropriately and those get you [TS]

  know the kids that came to school in [TS]

  bunny boots and and like foul like US [TS]

  military foul weather gear [TS]

  those were the only people that were [TS]

  actually dressed appropriately but when [TS]

  we heap scorn on them because it you [TS]

  know their their fathers had obviously [TS]

  their fathers were based at Elmendorf [TS]

  and they were wearing like a [TS]

  military-issue winter clothes [TS]

  it was it was pretty sad from again from [TS]

  the perspective of somebody in red boat [TS]

  shoes with no socks [TS]

  well i don't think i'm going to ridicule [TS]

  I don't think it's pretty cool [TS]

  well it wasn't cool then it would be [TS]

  cool now it seemed poor its import yeah [TS]

  and that was you know like that was it [TS]

  that was big will to see porno magazines [TS]

  yes and a lot of people worked really [TS]

  hard to not look for but you know what [TS]

  became the costume of the coolest kids [TS]

  later which is unwashed dark denim [TS]

  rolled up at the cuffs boots [TS]

  hair that was kind of long in front [TS]

  short and back and dark rimmed buddy [TS]

  holly glasses cool look and some kind of [TS]

  black t-shirt or some kind of shirt of [TS]

  you know we're in a white oxford shirt [TS]

  you know that is an extremely cool look [TS]

  and by the time I was out at the end of [TS]

  high school [TS]

  it had it had appeared again or it was [TS]

  recognized as cool but when i first [TS]

  started in high school when like the [TS]

  fashion was jeans super tight jeans that [TS]

  had been bleached and you know like if [TS]

  you showed up in unwashed Levi's know [TS]

  with cuffs you can bet you could buy [TS]

  stuff and I remember the county seat in [TS]

  florida that one of the denim outlets [TS]

  you could buy this stuff that depending [TS]

  on how washed-out you want your jeans to [TS]

  be you could buy your let's talk about [TS]

  it then [TS]

  very cheap unwashed 50 once tossed them [TS]

  in with some of this stuff and get this [TS]

  really square looking fake faded look [TS]

  after a couple of washes yeah right i [TS]

  mean fiber ones were 19 bucks you talked [TS]

  about this i think on your program with [TS]

  Dan and I'm in the same boat i recently [TS]

  bought a new pair of 50 ones and and [TS]

  it's the same deal its virtually [TS]

  impossible to figure out which one's [TS]

  your supposed to get and even still [TS]

  there i think they're 50 bucks yeah I [TS]

  mean it's like it's a little bit like [TS]

  converse converse used to be ten dollars [TS]

  a pair $20 pair i'm so mad at levis that [TS]

  I can't even the can't even talk and is [TS]

  so much to be mad about with Levi's [TS]

  right now but but i but i but i am a i'm [TS]

  so i'm so mad I just taken i took your [TS]

  story so anyway you were wearing the [TS]

  wrong thing at the wrong time what [TS]

  you're wearing eventually kinda came [TS]

  around [TS]

  well that's the thing you just looked [TS]

  like your mom dressed you and you were [TS]

  poor right if you were just wearing [TS]

  unwashed Levi's that were rolled up at [TS]

  the cuffs [TS]

  it just was it just indicated that you [TS]

  lived in an unheated house and and you [TS]

  know and that's the way that's the kind [TS]

  of the way I was set to school and then [TS]

  later on when that became a symbol of [TS]

  like mega cool i didn't change anything [TS]

  I just rolled right into the future but [TS]

  but I don't think I don't think young [TS]

  people today even people a little bit [TS]

  younger than us can remember a time when [TS]

  the geek look the nerd look the nerve [TS]

  especially the nerd rock-and-roll [TS]

  crossover when none of that had happened [TS]

  and nerd was actually shorthand for poor [TS]

  and it was a thing you you tried to [TS]

  avoid at all costs [TS]

  it had a lot tied up in it and in fact I [TS]

  mean if you look at a lot of the [TS]

  mid-eighties sort of john hughes ish [TS]

  movies from the early to mid eighties [TS]

  you can really see that being played out [TS]

  people who looked like he was playing [TS]

  with guys named James you know guys on [TS]

  the Black Widow Spader james spader yeah [TS]

  that Spader I mean Spader apart from [TS]

  looking like he's 30 years old in that [TS]

  movie he looks the way that a lot of [TS]

  cool kids did look at the time what we [TS]

  would then maybe have called preppy I [TS]

  mean but that that look of like heavily [TS]

  self-consciously branded sportswear was [TS]

  was the way to go and look for the girls [TS]

  in my case like it was good they would [TS]

  go to I like a spree there's a lot of a [TS]

  spree where oh yeah so you get you know [TS]

  what I mean you get like the like not [TS]

  the kind of clam diggers then or you get [TS]

  this the striped shirts and get the [TS]

  candy shoes and multiple bracelets and [TS]

  that was the whole thing but you [TS]

  wouldn't look like a farmer [TS]

  no you didn't you wanted to I mean at [TS]

  this [TS]

  I can't I can't go back enough as I [TS]

  thought about this sometimes I wish I [TS]

  could go back and stand in the student [TS]

  center of my school and watch the kids [TS]

  go by and see them with my current eyes [TS]

  rather than with my afflicted eyes the [TS]

  afflicted eyes of teenage life [TS]

  we're just like you know loser cool kid [TS]

  loser stoner cool kid loser [TS]

  I don't even see that kitty such a loser [TS]

  you know like there was so much of that [TS]

  in the in the cult in my culture in high [TS]

  school [TS]

  and I was you know and I was terrified [TS]

  that I was a loser and I didn't did I [TS]

  never succumbed to the to the brand [TS]

  thing or like I'm not going to be a [TS]

  loser I'm in a dress right and i'm going [TS]

  to feather my hair whatever but i would [TS]

  but you know like my my way of [TS]

  communicating to people that I wasn't a [TS]

  loser was that I carried a copy of The [TS]

  Wall Street Journal tucked under my arm [TS]

  and nothing says loser more than a high [TS]

  school kid walking around with an unread [TS]

  copy of The Wall Street Journal [TS]

  secularism but I was convinced that that [TS]

  was the talus man that was going to [TS]

  protect me against other teens because [TS]

  they're gonna be like wood was that who [TS]

  loser and I would be like well I'm just [TS]

  checking my stocks we'll see who's the [TS]

  loser one day [TS]

  hmm and the loser one day is still me I [TS]

  still you know how many stocks guy [TS]

  Germany kids breakfast so I looked up [TS]

  the last name of Thomas and Peter just [TS]

  wondering what's going on with them [TS]

  because it was entirely possible that [TS]

  those guys could have gone on to you [TS]

  know own Microsoft or something [TS]

  I think I think if they if they owned [TS]

  microsoft I would have heard of it but i [TS]

  found one of the first links was to a [TS]

  German General in world war two who was [TS]

  part of the conspiracy to kill Hitler no [TS]

  way and i'm wondering it's a fairly [TS]

  uncommon name and i'm just i'm wondering [TS]

  if the the boys and their father were [TS]

  some sort of like the son of this guy or [TS]

  the nephew of this guy certainly would [TS]

  have left the country left the country [TS]

  and and you know been welcomed in [TS]

  America and it started a new life here [TS]

  but yeah I mean he won the Iron Cross [TS]

  and war one [TS]

  Wow [TS]

  you know he's one of those old prussian [TS]

  guys who was never a Nazi right they [TS]

  were they were they were in the Army [TS]

  right yeah so interesting I never really [TS]

  researched that before I always wondered [TS]

  about that family stone that so it is in [TS]

  their family huh mark one trains i [TS]

  decided not very long ago I was gonna go [TS]

  to the hobby store and get really [TS]

  interested in trains [TS]

  oh really and I was like I'm gonna build [TS]

  a marklin train set this time not not [TS]

  some a chode garbage on the matter has [TS]

  expressed an interest in becoming a [TS]

  trained person and and you haven't liked [TS]

  enthusiastically run to your we don't [TS]

  have a lot of square footage at the [TS]

  house but what happens when the flax as [TS]

  you do and there's this thing she's been [TS]

  wanting to get it's actually it's kind [TS]

  of cool they have a little like a little [TS]

  spinner rack of these different packages [TS]

  of what I was just an easy way to [TS]

  describe it is imagined you wanted to [TS]

  make your scale train set look like [TS]

  stuff so you can buy corn stalks you can [TS]

  buy trees you can get you know get apple [TS]

  trees you can get orange trees you can [TS]

  get you know all these different kinds [TS]

  of things and you make any of these [TS]

  little like little layouts that isn't [TS]

  yeah and I mean it'sit's you can use it [TS]

  for lots of different things I don't [TS]

  even know what scale but she was so [TS]

  thrilled to get a few of those and put [TS]

  it together and now I think she's coming [TS]

  to trains via set-dressing basically [TS]

  she's interested he's most interested in [TS]

  where she puts the cornstalks but trains [TS]

  are definitely beginning to enter into [TS]

  the discussion and so what scale are you [TS]

  starting with um I mean off the top of [TS]

  my head I don't know if it's a specific [TS]

  scale but it looks like it would be [TS]

  closer to end I mean the cornstalks are [TS]

  like it less than an inch i right okay [TS]

  so i think that's a good I think that's [TS]

  a good plan if I had it all to do over [TS]

  again even though h 0 is the standard [TS]

  but settles HR the big one HR not know [TS]

  that anything really big ones are like [TS]

  Lionel big big scale and a lot to learn [TS]

  but uh yeah the thing is that that pho [TS]

  is kind of the one that looks like a [TS]

  train set just looks like you don't even [TS]

  register that it's a scale because it is [TS]

  seems like trains at scale I get it yet [TS]

  but like I have the smaller scales like [TS]

  n scale i just think it's perfect [TS]

  because it's small enough that you can [TS]

  it's big enough that you can still make [TS]

  very detailed things and I think in some [TS]

  ways the detail looks more authentic [TS]

  because it's just examine down and kinda [TS]

  looks the coolest n is 1 2 160 is one [TS]

  below and called Z yes he is too small [TS]

  12 to 24 HR is what I remember so H oh [TS]

  here it looks like his 11 287 all the [TS]

  way to g g which is 12 22 which is just [TS]

  that's asinine that's 2g you could you [TS]

  even use your cat could ride the train [TS]

  right that would be super cute [TS]

  it'd be really cute but you have to do [TS]

  is you have to tape the cat into the [TS]

  time if you had one of those like if you [TS]

  had a little dog but that also suffered [TS]

  from ennui you know like a little dog [TS]

  that was sort of depressed and not like [TS]

  at like a skittish link on and found its [TS]

  back right now exactly you could maybe [TS]

  that maybe I could ride around in the g [TS]

  train you got you got if you got a fair [TS]

  amount of square footage in that place [TS]

  you you could you could have a train set [TS]

  there [TS]

  yeah I couldn't end and i have not ruled [TS]

  it out but I feel like the end scale is [TS]

  the way that you get a tabletop train [TS]

  set that still has enough set dressing [TS]

  because within a chode said if you're [TS]

  probably gonna build an oval on a tree [TS]

  on a tabletop that's all you're going to [TS]

  get the trains just going to go around [TS]

  in a circle [TS]

  oh yeah all the room you have you [TS]

  wouldn't have to do any cool stuff you [TS]

  would need to have it would have [TS]

  stations and towns and waters and stuff [TS]

  like that bridges and switches you needs [TS]

  here's the thing train set is all about [TS]

  the switching like I know you are you [TS]

  get into it through the set-dressing a [TS]

  lot of people do a lot of people get [TS]

  into it through the like oh it's cute [TS]

  little cute train then you build an [TS]

  Overland trains ooman around build a [TS]

  little town but then when you think I [TS]

  need to study to get a switch here and [TS]

  build another bill that building so the [TS]

  Train can sometimes go on this other [TS]

  track that's when the madness sets in [TS]

  and it seems like you're never done [TS]

  right [TS]

  I mean part part of the fun of it is [TS]

  that it would just go on and on forever [TS]

  yeah you build it forever you're always [TS]

  tearing it down you're always like oh [TS]

  you know I'm gonna redo this little [TS]

  corner of the Train Set make it you know [TS]

  make the waterfall more realistic or you [TS]

  know I never really liked like but my [TS]

  challenge was in the town scenes and [TS]

  that and I think anybody that's ever [TS]

  done a diorama of a town is going to [TS]

  recognize this problem which is how do [TS]

  you place the pretend cars on the [TS]

  pretend road where they look like actual [TS]

  traffic and not like how do you space [TS]

  them apart from one another so that they [TS]

  don't look like a kid just came in and [TS]

  put the cars evenly spaced right how do [TS]

  you make it look naturalistic that it's [TS]

  that it's traffic right that [TS]

  yeah there's a rookie a rookie mistake [TS]

  they just set this stuff down without [TS]

  the goal how they pull out of that [TS]

  parking space [TS]

  exactly how do you make it look like how [TS]

  to make it come alive and not look stage [TS]

  and then that's a huge challenge in [TS]

  modeling especially if you're if you're [TS]

  going to go the whole hog into a diorama [TS]

  i went to the state fair this year and [TS]

  walked through the the displays and you [TS]

  know there are whole there's a whole [TS]

  area of the state fair where people put [TS]

  their little dioramas that they've made [TS]

  but also people just display their [TS]

  collections there was a there was a guy [TS]

  that's really just is bring your stuff [TS]

  and put it out [TS]

  yeah that's very healing there's a guy [TS]

  that I know it was a guy had to be good [TS]

  there's like stagecraft to it is put [TS]

  away your stone there's a little bit of [TS]

  stagecraft he had the temerity to to [TS]

  display his collection of pendleton [TS]

  shirts and he like he did a whole [TS]

  display like la my collection of [TS]

  Pendleton's and I stood there marveling [TS]

  at this thing because they were great [TS]

  Pendleton [TS]

  it was a beautiful display he had [TS]

  20-plus Pendleton's when I was like I [TS]

  could fill this barn if the standard is [TS]

  if you have 20 Pendleton's here you're [TS]

  entitled to go to the state fair to [TS]

  arrange them in a display I was like [TS]

  first of all my candlestick display [TS]

  would win Best in Show le just any more [TS]

  questions like how many should i bring [TS]

  yeah my globe display like you know [TS]

  look out I could probably I could [TS]

  probably match that guy with a Pendleton [TS]

  display and i'm walking around this [TS]

  thing it's like all the normal ones [TS]

  where oh this person I you know I'm not [TS]

  gonna I'm not going to generalize about [TS]

  who they might be but this person has [TS]

  collected only butter jars that are [TS]

  shaped like pigs [TS]

  huh like butter like little covered [TS]

  butter dishes that are shaped like like [TS]

  two pigs in love or whatever and they [TS]

  are able to fill up an entire display [TS]

  with with the butter dish shaped with [TS]

  butter dishes of different sizes shapes [TS]

  like two pigs in love and you think [TS]

  that's spectacular like that is more [TS]

  that's monomaniacal and I give it to you [TS]

  but then the display where it's just [TS]

  like every kind of betty boop doll that [TS]

  you can find ya where where it's not [TS]

  that we're it's not weird enough like 22 [TS]

  digs in love that's a theme and then [TS]

  that's what that would be a life's work [TS]

  John right but to limited to butter [TS]

  dishes like okay you are on you are on [TS]

  something or you are onto something and [TS]

  that the where the line is between on [TS]

  something and onto something [TS]

  it's you know it's just it seems very [TS]

  small but it's but it's like I am always [TS]

  trying to find where the break point is [TS]

  there between on something onto [TS]

  something so I'm walking around this [TS]

  thing and I'm like where would my if I [TS]

  were going to go to the state fair and [TS]

  put something down here like what would [TS]

  it be and how would I blow their minds [TS]

  how would I how would I indicate that i [TS]

  am onto something and not just on [TS]

  something and then I gotta come around [TS]

  the corner and there's a guy who [TS]

  as a collection of snare drums and it's [TS]

  and it fills a wall and I when I walk [TS]

  over to various very slowly and you know [TS]

  it's one of these things where when you [TS]

  pan back in the in the film you know all [TS]

  the other people are moving around very [TS]

  fast they're stopping and looking at [TS]

  stuff they're all in fast motion and I [TS]

  am in regular motion you can all it i'm [TS]

  building commission can visualize this [TS]

  i'm walking over to the drums and I'm [TS]

  like what the fuck is this like is this [TS]

  a bunch of junk or is this the most [TS]

  amazing thing I've ever seen and as I [TS]

  get closer I realized that it is amazing [TS]

  that this guy has old black beauties he [TS]

  has he has 25 different lucite snares of [TS]

  different rainbow colors from the from [TS]

  the ludwig years like he's got a snare [TS]

  drum from every era and representing you [TS]

  know all of the superstar drive snare [TS]

  drum porn [TS]

  basically he's got snares there that are [TS]

  worth $80,000 his snare collection [TS]

  belongs not in a museum but on top of [TS]

  the Empire State Building with a giant [TS]

  flag indicating its presence like it is [TS]

  a masterwork of craziness because to [TS]

  have that many stairs is insane but they [TS]

  were beautiful [TS]

  every single one of them was fantastic [TS]

  and I'm standing there staring at this [TS]

  thing and people walking by and my own [TS]

  family is taking up my sleeve and saying [TS]

  come on let's go [TS]

  like there's so much more to see like we [TS]

  have to go get burned corn that's [TS]

  covered with mayonnaise and and find [TS]

  some deep-fried like deep France [TS]

  deep-fried butter and I am mesmerised [TS]

  not just by the beauty of this above [TS]

  these pieces [TS]

  I'm just trying to get inside this [TS]

  person's mind at some point earlier some [TS]

  point early enough in the world that [TS]

  they could still acquire these snares [TS]

  without because you could tell this guy [TS]

  had never paid $80,000 for a snare right [TS]

  it's all it's a long game write [TS]

  something where he's he's been doing [TS]

  this for a while [TS]

  this is a lifetime pursuit and he [TS]

  recognizes that some of these snares [TS]

  belong in a museum and I don't even know [TS]

  if there is a museum for snares I think [TS]

  it starts with this man and a but he's [TS]

  been collecting them for a long time and [TS]

  he has the 59 Les Paul of snares and he [TS]

  has multiple versions of it [TS]

  Wow and he knows enough about it and [TS]

  he's got little three-by-five cards that [TS]

  he has typed with a typewriter that are [TS]

  talking about the difference in hardware [TS]

  and there are a couple of drums when [TS]

  he's like this is a very curious piece [TS]

  and now he's only talking to me [TS]

  alright John this this sounds very close [TS]

  to something me you need to be doing [TS]

  yeah they're the the fair has been going [TS]

  for three weeks and probably five people [TS]

  have stopped and stared at this thing [TS]

  and the other 4 guys you know all had [TS]

  really long hair and we're wearing a [TS]

  sleeveless t-shirt shaped like a British [TS]

  flag your spook you're saying I'm up [TS]

  takes in love with probably draw draw [TS]

  more foot traffic a lot more people at [TS]

  the fair going to stop at the pigs and [TS]

  love butter dishes but so I'm sitting [TS]

  I'm reading these little cards and he's [TS]

  like technically this Hardware shouldn't [TS]

  be brass but it is and that and that [TS]

  poses several questions about the date [TS]

  of manufacture and my aunt and my theory [TS]

  is that when they discontinued the model [TS]

  beforehand they had some hardware left [TS]

  over and they built this and that you [TS]

  know he's just talking about these he's [TS]

  talking about these drums like from the [TS]

  standpoint of exactly the kind of crazy [TS]

  that I am so it's not enough that he's [TS]

  discovered something that probably [TS]

  nobody else cares about let alone [TS]

  noticed but he's got a reckon he's got [TS]

  he's got a theory on why it happen [TS]

  and that's right and he's got to sit and [TS]

  go like Newark Newark Newark about it [TS]

  intended and like I'm sure that he I'm [TS]

  sure that he has clutched that drum to [TS]

  his chest and swayed back and forth like [TS]

  mm that's some shit that's [TS]

  mm that's some shit that's [TS]

  because he's thought about the he's [TS]

  thought about the life that this drum [TS]

  has led right [TS]

  he knows that he knows the data was made [TS]

  but he also knows that it has made its [TS]

  way through time retaining a certain [TS]

  characteristics that other drugs have [TS]

  lost it has retained its you know [TS]

  there's he had a couple of drums then [TS]

  had a where their finish was a was like [TS]

  a a print of the signatures of all the [TS]

  great drummers of that era like somebody [TS]

  got buddy rich and Gene Krupa and all [TS]

  these guys to sign [TS]

  Wow a piece of paper and then they [TS]

  reproduce it and made it into a into a [TS]

  cover for a drum for snare and he had [TS]

  multiples of this there were different [TS]

  colors and he was and he was like dis [TS]

  court discoursing like this one is very [TS]

  own you this one is very unusual and I'm [TS]

  just like oh my god where are you [TS]

  you've gotta be around here somewhere I [TS]

  have to talk to you now because you know [TS]

  these things that these things were rare [TS]

  to begin with but what makes them [TS]

  interesting is that they made this that [TS]

  made this journey and he has thought [TS]

  about their journey and the you know and [TS]

  the parts of the journey that he can [TS]

  tell he wants to tell in the parts that [TS]

  he can't tell our we'll always be we'll [TS]

  always be curious about them he wants [TS]

  somebody to call him up and say that was [TS]

  my drum back in nineteen fifty like [TS]

  nothing would make him happier when the [TS]

  fact that it's something that's so we're [TS]

  so rare and so weird that it must feel a [TS]

  little bit magical that not only made it [TS]

  but one of the few people in the world [TS]

  who can fully appreciate it is the [TS]

  person who has it now [TS]

  yeah yeah somewhat miraculous that all [TS]

  those things lined up in the way they [TS]

  did [TS]

  yeah here's the thing and it's and there [TS]

  were multiple multiple times in its life [TS]

  where it could have been worse some [TS]

  teenage kid could have been like oh yeah [TS]

  I found this drum in my dad's basement [TS]

  let's start a band and let's spray paint [TS]

  it black to make it look cool [TS]

  and that didn't happen to this drum you [TS]

  know right a kid did knots did not sand [TS]

  the finish off of his dad's 55 les paul [TS]

  and paint it with Gene Simmons his face [TS]

  it was left alone but not left alone in [TS]

  a moldy basement where it was destroyed [TS]

  left alone somewhere where it was [TS]

  protected and I mean it's just like a [TS]

  butt [TS]

  so eventually I was I had to be dragged [TS]

  away from this thing because I because I [TS]

  just wanted to stay there until the fair [TS]

  closed and until this person came to get [TS]

  these drawings you never got to talk to [TS]

  him or her not around this the the drum [TS]

  collector remained a mystery to me it [TS]

  was I was just seeing into them i was [TS]

  looking into them through this weirdness [TS]

  and oh the best part of it is this is a [TS]

  person who thought to bring it to the [TS]

  fair [TS]

  yeah how does that how do you think [TS]

  there must be some intermediary [TS]

  organization of collectors like that no [TS]

  God the weekend I mean I mean is there [TS]

  like an RFP they send out some kind of [TS]

  announcement hey if you have a lot of [TS]

  something and want to bring it to the [TS]

  fair here's how to do it [TS]

  yeah look I don't know I mean that this [TS]

  is the type of thing i would expect to [TS]

  see up above the counter in a in a store [TS]

  in New York City where when you walk in [TS]

  and ask the person behind the counter [TS]

  for something he yells at you [TS]

  yeah sure right this is this is the type [TS]

  of thing that you would see at sam ash [TS]

  music in midtown as a you know like this [TS]

  is the only place in the world where you [TS]

  will see this acceptance at the puyallup [TS]

  fair in Washington and I don't and I [TS]

  don't know where it is now it all got [TS]

  boxed up and its back in this persons [TS]

  living room burr or or I mean the thing [TS]

  is it's not in the Attic it's to this is [TS]

  not a thing that just gets trotted out [TS]

  once a year it has it lives somewhere I [TS]

  don't know [TS]

  well everyone let's get to the the [TS]

  really crazy part which is in all of [TS]

  that chain now who knows maybe the most [TS]

  telling part is you were there to see it [TS]

  of all people mmm don't you think so [TS]

  well that's the thing so I'm wondering [TS]

  like if I'm [TS]

  go to the puyallup fair next year and [TS]

  I'm gonna take up one of these boots and [TS]

  i'm going to put a collection there like [TS]

  what is it i caii return back to what I [TS]

  said before I think you should do a [TS]

  little bit of research about how those [TS]

  folks got there because first of all [TS]

  make sure it's a party you really want [TS]

  to go to this my this is this my great [TS]

  is that you think about having a special [TS]

  i also cannot believe that the [TS]

  perpetrator was not standing there with [TS]

  his stuff the whole time because I mean [TS]

  like Gollum I imagine he's pretty [TS]

  particular about who touches the snares [TS]

  well we couldn't touch them they were [TS]

  they were you know if I if you could [TS]

  touch him I wouldn't touch them like [TS]

  crazy stuff happens but you know and [TS]

  also you got to be careful because you [TS]

  know you might not go there and for [TS]

  three weeks and having lunch with the [TS]

  pigs and love lady or man [TS]

  well that's the thing if you're if [TS]

  you're at a party like that and you get [TS]

  and you end up talking to the Betty Boop [TS]

  person who you're like so when did you [TS]

  start collecting Betty Boop and they're [TS]

  like oh I've been collecting Betty Boop [TS]

  for 30 years and you go right I can tell [TS]

  you've got like 10,000 Betty Boop's [TS]

  there [TS]

  what is your like standard of selecting [TS]

  them and the person looks at you kind of [TS]

  quickly and goes what do you mean I just [TS]

  buy all the Betty Boop's I by everybody [TS]

  boot right you go write a lot of those [TS]

  Betty Boop's were made in china and [TS]

  they're like what does that have to do [TS]

  with anything [TS]

  it's usually right you know i'm not [TS]

  interested in just buying everybody [TS]

  boots because when you're when you're [TS]

  looking well that's Betty boobs are pigs [TS]

  in love or snare drums which are [TS]

  passionately interested in your [TS]

  interested in let's say 20 items that [TS]

  they have but you're also incredibly [TS]

  interested by extension in the 50,000 [TS]

  things that they didn't bother was not [TS]

  part of the curation sure what makes it [TS]

  special is that why should I got a whole [TS]

  lot of storage shed full of betty boop [TS]

  so who cares those are all that's a [TS]

  little cast of losers bring on Antiques [TS]

  Roadshow no sir [TS]

  did you notice making 73 copyright on [TS]

  your haha i like those this Shirley [TS]

  Temple doll was made five years simple [TS]

  if you had if you had a ton of money if [TS]

  you had 500 grand and you wanted to go [TS]

  compile a collection of snare drums [TS]

  where you're only story was i bought [TS]

  this because it was expensive [TS]

  you could you could you could build a [TS]

  collection of snare drums you could [TS]

  build any kind of collection [TS]

  he just went and bought it's the it's [TS]

  that this that he he knew he had looked [TS]

  he had looked at the threads of the [TS]

  screws right and had something salient [TS]

  to say about it [TS]

  so yeah like we walked by one that was a [TS]

  wall of Winnie the Pooh's and it had the [TS]

  same it was the Betty Boop story was [TS]

  just like you know it's a wall [TS]

  winnie-the-pooh said it may be their [TS]

  work maybe there are a dozen Winnie the [TS]

  Pooh's in here that have something [TS]

  interesting to say but I can't tell [TS]

  because you're just trying to overwhelm [TS]

  me with with quantity right and so [TS]

  you're at the you're at the party here [TS]

  at the pre-party and you get you get you [TS]

  get cornered by the Betty Boop in the [TS]

  winnie the pooh person [TS]

  yes just like listen I really want to [TS]

  talk to the pigs in love butter dish [TS]

  person that is my kind of crazy and [TS]

  they're just they're over talk about the [TS]

  snare drum Caillou never you maybe get [TS]

  you get in the wrong [TS]

  click it seems like this must bring up a [TS]

  lot of questions for you that one of the [TS]

  questions i'm guessing must be if you [TS]

  were hypothetically going to bring one [TS]

  of your numerous collections to the [TS]

  Apollo Apollo hope obama affair [TS]

  what up to have a sense of like it would [TS]

  be gloves would it be candles [TS]

  what kinds of things do you feel like [TS]

  you need to share what you feel you [TS]

  could best curate for the audience there [TS]

  if I if I wanted to just overwhelm them [TS]

  i would just take my collection of a [TS]

  little field field notes books that i've [TS]

  never written anything in four right [TS]

  because every it seems like for the last [TS]

  10 years every single event i go to the [TS]

  in the schwag bag is 0 is a package of [TS]

  three fields notes field notes books [TS]

  that 25 years ago i would have [TS]

  compulsively filled those things with [TS]

  crazy ranting but somehow I and so and [TS]

  so I complain so I collect them because [TS]

  they still represent to me this [TS]

  opportunity because it used to be when I [TS]

  was 20 years old it was hard to get a-a [TS]

  little notebook that fit in the pocket [TS]

  of your jeans that you could write your [TS]

  screens on their hands on their well [TS]

  made and they're free and free in your [TS]

  case you get them for free i feel i feel [TS]

  the thousand types of those before [TS]

  fields field notes were invented so what [TS]

  I see them when i get them [TS]

  I'm always pleased that i can gather [TS]

  them to me but I i could do nothing for [TS]

  the rest of my life but rant that crazy [TS]

  scribble rant in a field notebook and i [TS]

  still would not feel fill all the ones i [TS]

  have have enough i have enough for for a [TS]

  like the library at Alexandria [TS]

  completely written i could be i could be [TS]

  the guy in the movie seven just with [TS]

  field looks so i could just blow [TS]

  people's minds with all of the different [TS]

  i could just do a whole display was just [TS]

  like this guy's in seen why is he that [TS]

  doesn't even seem like a container I [TS]

  mean it's a great notebooks I've got a [TS]

  couple right here but yeah but is it is [TS]

  see I feel like this could be a nice [TS]

  clarifying moment for you because it [TS]

  causes you to not first of all the idea [TS]

  of this being an opportunity is since [TS]

  it's so interesting because it's so [TS]

  close to so many things you've been [TS]

  talking about doing but it's also [TS]

  clarifying the sense of like okay maybe [TS]

  I maybe I am a collector of many kinds [TS]

  of things but if I were going to decide [TS]

  like what's the one kind of these things [TS]

  that i'm on one hand was interested in [TS]

  curating and sharing but also like okay [TS]

  with taking to like an open area in a [TS]

  barn [TS]

  like what would that be you have a set [TS]

  rough sense of that well you know lately [TS]

  the last few years i've been very [TS]

  interested in wool blankets like throws [TS]

  the kind of blanket that you would some [TS]

  of them would not going on a lot of curb [TS]

  appeal right come on a lot of blood [TS]

  they wouldn't be out of place like [TS]

  thrown across your legs at a football [TS]

  game [TS]

  oh no III value blankets it's just I [TS]

  don't know that has has a lot as as a [TS]

  live performance environment you've [TS]

  gotta see my collection of blankets [TS]

  something to really pop the guy with the [TS]

  Pendleton shirt collection the the [TS]

  unifying characteristic of them they're [TS]

  all Pendleton [TS]

  yeah whereas I have a little on the nose [TS]

  I have penalty blankets but i also have [TS]

  Hudson Bay blankets i have blankets from [TS]

  the caribou mill I have blankets from [TS]

  you know there are a lot of there are a [TS]

  lot of regional miss like fabric mills [TS]

  and looms in the old days that made [TS]

  their signature American blankets and I [TS]

  have some from a lot of those i have [TS]

  some from Scotland I have some that are [TS]

  made of cashmere and if you put them all [TS]

  together you start to go like who this [TS]

  is this is a thing this is a real this [TS]

  is something that I wouldn't have [TS]

  noticed but now i'm at the fair and i'm [TS]

  being shown how little I knew right [TS]

  that's going again but i mean i guess i [TS]

  don't know maybe I'm over overthinking [TS]

  overstating this but it feels like this [TS]

  is the kind of thing that will come to [TS]

  you in a dream and get you actually [TS]

  lived it like you had the opportunity [TS]

  not just see that this can exist but [TS]

  that it does exist and you didn't have [TS]

  the experience of walking through it and [TS]

  seeing what worked and didn't work for [TS]

  you and this puts you in the position [TS]

  that i feel like if i may say that [TS]

  you've been craving for two or three [TS]

  years which is what does am I on to [TS]

  something or am I was afraid my onto [TS]

  something on my own something that in so [TS]

  I mean you must be clarifying to because [TS]

  now you could say well given the amount [TS]

  of space i might have for this what [TS]

  could I display best now it's become [TS]

  more artful thing because you could [TS]

  think about what would what would have [TS]

  curb appeal to show like this but the [TS]

  problem is i'm not sure that maybe I'm [TS]

  not just on something right like when I [TS]

  think a year to find out what when I [TS]

  think about it it would be like here's [TS]

  my collection few candlesticks some [TS]

  globes some historical atlases couple of [TS]

  switchblades some blankets a few [TS]

  different kinds of [TS]

  like land jaegers uh-huh some beer [TS]

  steins that are staying with coffee all [TS]

  of the US presidents represented in [TS]

  dolls you don't actually have that day [TS]

  so I do some beach some rocks at the [TS]

  beach that have a that have some kind of [TS]

  what are called wish rocks which are [TS]

  rocks that have a us a ring around them [TS]

  arm like a jar of those over that like [TS]

  twenty dollars in about 80 different [TS]

  currencies worldwide on the Washington [TS]

  State Fair page and I have to be honest [TS]

  i'm having trouble finding what this [TS]

  thing is called but there are many [TS]

  interesting things at the fair [TS]

  I won't tell you that much it's a hobby [TS]

  hall I think it might be hobby hall is [TS]

  it hobbie hall for an amazing look at [TS]

  the intriguing world of crafts and [TS]

  collections from lego displays to try [TS]

  collections two coins and everything [TS]

  in-between quirky is a great description [TS]

  for all the fascinating personal [TS]

  collections on display in the Hobby home [TS]

  well so that's the thing like if you [TS]

  just if you just build some stuff on [TS]

  Legos you can put it at the hobby hall [TS]

  if you build a scale if you build a [TS]

  scale model of the house from psycho and [TS]

  want to show it to people i mean that [TS]

  will put that right in the center of the [TS]

  room I don't want to put you on the spot [TS]

  John but the page concludes the link and [TS]

  the link says you love to collect were [TS]

  key items learn how to enter your very [TS]

  own display here you know the link so [TS]

  what I'm trying to picture now is the [TS]

  snare drum collector following like [TS]

  going to this page at some point in [TS]

  their life [TS]

  I'm saying you know what I'm I'm doing [TS]

  it because I i go to the fair every year [TS]

  and I always walk through hobby hall [TS]

  I see a lot of crazy stuff i see some [TS]

  stuff that really turns me on i see some [TS]

  stuff that really turns me off but the [TS]

  snare drum collection I've never seen [TS]

  before [TS]

  this isn't this person has come out of [TS]

  the woodwork [TS]

  I'm right now on the [TS]

  22 page PDF that you can review already [TS]

  got to get going [TS]

  it lays out all of the different kinds [TS]

  of prices that you can win [TS]

  it's got an entire John i encourage you [TS]

  to look at this it's got the entire [TS]

  taxonomy including the cat Dewey Decimal [TS]

  like system all the classes of intensive [TS]

  so let's say for example just kind of [TS]

  just toss one out for fun [TS]

  ok let's say you're interested in egg [TS]

  art okay thats continues its division 2 [TS]

  22 / in some of these there's an [TS]

  important note all entries must be real [TS]

  eggs [TS]

  well I'm this is if you've seen these [TS]

  yes people make holes that it's just [TS]

  like a train set set dressing is the is [TS]

  the real appeal before I accept your [TS]

  dressing eggs and they are interacting [TS]

  Beatles so that's the vision to 22 then [TS]

  you got classes start with 4800 diorama [TS]

  hinge mechanical decoupage hand-painted [TS]

  beaded jeweled fancy cut natural dye wax [TS]

  resist scratched scratched eggs holiday [TS]

  miniature these smaller than chicken egg [TS]

  or 4865 you've got other eggs smaller [TS]

  the chicken eggs smaller than chicken [TS]

  egg now that's just in the agar division [TS]

  smaller than chicken egg is not a subset [TS]

  of other eggs and there's no wonder if [TS]

  you got involved with the governing [TS]

  board here I think you could help a lot [TS]

  of people [TS]

  mhm dolls decorative arts or soft toys [TS]

  handcrafted soft toys and animals your [TS]

  diaper reproduction dolls they're all [TS]

  they're all kinds of people that walk in [TS]

  there like this my winnie the pooh [TS]

  collection and whoever the judges that's [TS]

  like well technically it says [TS]

  handcrafted but you know Johnny thanks I [TS]

  don't take up the whole episode can I [TS]

  just point to scrapbooking division 2 18 [TS]

  ok so class 4320 traditional layout [TS]

  digital layout hybrid layout which is a [TS]

  combination of traditional and digital [TS]

  photography that's for school they have [TS]

  juniors and adults and scrapbooking so [TS]

  your daughter can do this if you're [TS]

  under 16 going to do i do a hybrid [TS]

  layout that's a 4336 hey there there was [TS]

  someone you know now I'm really [TS]

  reminiscent of the fair someone who had [TS]

  a double-wide booth to taking up the [TS]

  space of two booths just for their duran [TS]

  duran memorabilia [TS]

  haha this is a duran duran duran duran [TS]

  that's right and frankly I spent quite a [TS]

  bit of time studying it and my [TS]

  experience of it was two things a lot of [TS]

  that stuff was purchased not in the [TS]

  Canonical's or an era but post seven and [TS]

  the ragged tiger michaĆ«l Opie write out [TS]

  a period out of period it was you know [TS]

  it's like it's not brand-new duran duran [TS]

  stuff but it's too random stuff from [TS]

  1994 so my even though i'm looking at [TS]

  this you know i'm studying this thing [TS]

  pretty carefully [TS]

  I'm discounting a lot of that stuff like [TS]

  post there's there i'm sure there's [TS]

  plenty of disagreement but I feel like [TS]

  post even 80 for you to render and stuff [TS]

  is not your post 84 duran duran stuff [TS]

  you're like tour program from indonesia [TS]

  in 2001 is not that's not killing it for [TS]

  me and the next thought I had was I have [TS]

  some pieces that this person doesn't [TS]

  have I have the director and velcro [TS]

  wallet that would that I know if this [TS]

  person got a hold of the director and [TS]

  while velcro wallet would be front and [TS]

  center they would have it that's [TS]

  licensed I bet that wasn't licensed I i [TS]

  have had an unlicensed Adam and the ants [TS]

  wallet that I treasured probably not [TS]

  licensed although you know you never [TS]

  know Russian the members John it's only [TS]

  22 pages i feel but i but but another [TS]

  part of the another part of the joy for [TS]

  me would be to go around and kind of [TS]

  like get into a little bit of a disc [TS]

  battle [TS]

  uh-huh with a lot of these people like [TS]

  like to walk up on the dram person and [TS]

  just throw down the thing you'd step to [TS]

  them [TS]

  yeah that's right throw down the velcro [TS]

  wall and be like what do you got they [TS]

  can we got the commands that you know [TS]

  that some rap battle but about things no [TS]

  one cares about right don't show me some [TS]

  picture disc like do you have some merch [TS]

  i'm talking about merch now our station [TS]

  coke mirror [TS]

  yeah writer or a painter's cap with [TS]

  two flaps hanging down the back oh [TS]

  that's a great look that up from the [TS]

  movie break into you have something I [TS]

  mean can you like can you really come [TS]

  back with something that you didn't just [TS]

  didn't just buy you know because you are [TS]

  30 and you got into drag around at some [TS]

  later period like days right you [TS]

  couldn't there must be a lot of like [TS]

  signal-to-noise ratio because of ebay [TS]

  and people making money was always [TS]

  losing you start paper in the walls a [TS]

  lot of shit you bought off the internet [TS]

  and I guess that's not collecting that's [TS]

  just that's just that's just buying [TS]

  things and having a room [TS]

  yeah it's like don't you go into a [TS]

  thrift store now and that and they have [TS]

  they all have first of all they all have [TS]

  racks of like more expensive clothes [TS]

  better brands as they say that brands [TS]

  which back in the day they didn't do now [TS]

  that you're out shirts yeah his shirts [TS]

  go two shirts but now they have better [TS]

  brands and what cracks me up is that now [TS]

  so they had better brands for a while [TS]

  but now you walk into throwing you [TS]

  search through the better brands and [TS]

  it's like american eagle and right and [TS]

  old maybe in your like who are you [TS]

  people [TS]

  I think to be a better brand your shirt [TS]

  should probably have been made by an [TS]

  adult [TS]

  yeah but that's not that's not the case [TS]

  anymore I mean yes i agree better brand [TS]

  implies to me that it was made by hand [TS]

  by someone in America you're and that's [TS]

  not a child that's not a child right huh [TS]

  but that's not that's not the case [TS]

  anymore old navy old maybe in the better [TS]

  brains Bobby Hauck elections rules there [TS]

  are some things you should familiarize [TS]

  yourself with I'm afraid to go down this [TS]

  rabbit hole will have a field first rule [TS]

  of hobby haha Corrections is a little [TS]

  talk about hobby lobby all collections [TS]

  now closed [TS]

  previously display collections may be [TS]

  resubmitted after two years [TS]

  whoa so their scarcity no selling or [TS]

  soliciting number five no suggested [TS]

  materials will be accepted but there are [TS]

  some people that are better pushing the [TS]

  envelope on that Betty Boop has there's [TS]

  a lot of pain hallway to eat that's true [TS]

  when we get to number six the fair [TS]

  reserves the right to remove any [TS]

  material from any exhibit that might be [TS]

  objectionable that's where did very [TS]

  poorly said material will be held in a [TS]

  secure place until exhibit is picked up [TS]

  at the close of the fair you can have it [TS]

  back when we're done the exhibitor will [TS]

  be notified imagine that convention they [TS]

  go and grab a snare drum and go take it [TS]

  somewhere and you can have it back at [TS]

  the end [TS]

  yeah because it doesn't meet their [TS]

  standards at some painting on it there [TS]

  was there was a guy who did a display in [TS]

  honor of the f-4 phantom and he [TS]

  obviously built several models of the f4 [TS]

  which were handsome he done a good job [TS]

  but then he had some photocopied [TS]

  boilerplate about the f4 which is like [TS]

  anybody anybody walking through here [TS]

  knows all this stuff already obviously [TS]

  right if you're gonna walk over and look [TS]

  at the f-4 phantom display at the hobby [TS]

  hall here [TS]

  you already know about the f-4 phantom [TS]

  it's that's not a thing that somebody is [TS]

  like a look at the pigs look at the many [TS]

  boobs look at the f4 phantoms you know [TS]

  no it's elvis presley was a [TS]

  rock-and-roll serie the devil you say [TS]

  exactly same song obvious anybody here [TS]

  that's a rookie rookie information [TS]

  that's rookie information and you could [TS]

  tell after a while that what it was he [TS]

  was trying to fill up his booth because [TS]

  all he really had was like forever for [TS]

  that he built which is great and great [TS]

  start but then he had a couple of like f [TS]

  for toys like toys that you admire [TS]

  anything that may be that guy would not [TS]

  get a presentation he gotta be called a [TS]

  poster you got a science fair project [TS]

  you get this much area you get a chair [TS]

  get a chair to sit on and hold up your [TS]

  one good thing that's right so don't you [TS]

  know don't go on the internet and copy [TS]

  off somebody f4 phantom was originally [TS]

  designed as it's like no no no tell us [TS]

  something we don't know about the f-4 [TS]

  phantom and and and that's what made [TS]

  this display a little bit weird because [TS]

  a couple of the models that he'd built [TS]

  we're not just your standard Navy issue [TS]

  phantom it was like these were [TS]

  interesting that they had radar pods [TS]

  they were weird but you know he did say [TS]

  he did say to the maybe not everyone [TS]

  knows that the f4 was the first aircraft [TS]

  that was used by all the branches of the [TS]

  service that's an interesting fact [TS]

  interesting fact right yep it's [TS]

  interceptor for all all bring all [TS]

  branches for those were the days right [TS]

  I feel like I'm kind of letting you off [TS]

  easy i don't want to pressure you i'm [TS]

  just looking just in large and large [TS]

  broad swath just generally speaking [TS]

  well first of all let me ask let's go [TS]

  two steps 00 rule of AA bhi hall do you [TS]

  think you want to do this would you [TS]

  consider will you consider this [TS]

  that's the I just don't know who my [TS]

  audience is there it's basically the [TS]

  population of Washington State everybody [TS]

  comes [TS]

  yeah there was gonna be a little people [TS]

  that would be interested I thought for a [TS]

  while that I was going to collect letter [TS]

  openers that have been carved out of [TS]

  mahogany and I have don't have them i [TS]

  have just enough i don't have just [TS]

  enough letter openers because with the [TS]

  first few that I got I was like this is [TS]

  weird [TS]

  who would make a knife out of wood right [TS]

  right I need to take this home and study [TS]

  it more closely and so I took it home [TS]

  and I studied more closely and after a [TS]

  time I realized oh these are combat [TS]

  knives [TS]

  I don't think some of them are cars are [TS]

  in correspondence knives [TS]

  yeah these are the this is meant to sit [TS]

  on your desk and then you open letters [TS]

  with it so that I was like oh that's [TS]

  interesting and then I would see them i [TS]

  would say not not not garbage ones but [TS]

  one that had been ones that have been [TS]

  hand-made right and so I have just [TS]

  enough of those but the problem is I [TS]

  haven't I haven't gone down the rabbit [TS]

  hole haven't sought out other letter [TS]

  opener collectors compared notes with [TS]

  them at this happened to me one time I [TS]

  I've been collecting a cool ray [TS]

  sunglasses which one of this they're [TS]

  cheap sunglasses from the old days in a [TS]

  raid and knock off they were made by [TS]

  Polaroid I think and they were not they [TS]

  were not ray bans knockoffs exactly they [TS]

  were they were because they were cheap [TS]

  they were you could make them in a lot [TS]

  of different kind of crazy wacky styles [TS]

  and so you can really collect cool ray [TS]

  sunglasses in like it you can make a [TS]

  very cool collection of them because [TS]

  they're just so many of them [TS]

  and they're very very cool-looking it's [TS]

  that it's the perfect sort of at sea [TS]

  thing [TS]

  cool ray sunglasses perfect kind of [TS]

  thing that you would find there but I [TS]

  had a pretty good collection of cool ray [TS]

  sunglasses I thought and was at a party [TS]

  one day talking to a punk rock [TS]

  photographer guy i know and i was like I [TS]

  think he might have had some cool raise [TS]

  hanging off of the pocket of his fifties [TS]

  bowling shirt was like nice cooler is it [TS]

  was like oh thanks i was like yeah I got [TS]

  a little collection of those it was like [TS]

  oh really now already I already knew I [TS]

  was in trouble and I was like well yeah [TS]

  I do actually have a pretty cool [TS]

  collection of dozens like he also do i [TS]

  do you wanna compare and I was like fuck [TS]

  him on the ropes already here [TS]

  yeah because I've got a great collection [TS]

  of sunglasses the numbers in the [TS]

  hundreds but i don't but they're not [TS]

  it's not like cool ray right and he's at [TS]

  this party he's got some hanging off of [TS]

  the pocket of his shirt which is just [TS]

  like a fishing lure for exactly the [TS]

  bigmouth bass of me who wanders up and [TS]

  is like old yummy these all pics and [TS]

  then he's like now I've got a live one [TS]

  he knows what these are and he thinks [TS]

  he's he thinks he's got something to say [TS]

  about them and so over the course of [TS]

  knowing this guy for a long time I [TS]

  realized that he is a true cool ray [TS]

  collector and he has hundreds of them [TS]

  and so I'm sending in pictures you know [TS]

  that this is like basically like sexting [TS]

  between middle-aged collector dudes I'm [TS]

  like this happen to be unix that's right [TS]

  hey you have this one and I'm not [TS]

  sending a picture of my best pair cool [TS]

  raise I i know enough about the scare [TS]

  you keep your powder dry keep the powder [TS]

  dry start way [TS]

  up the chain I'm like what about but but [TS]

  you know but not send him the one that [TS]

  everybody's got right like yeah what [TS]

  about these and he's just like sends me [TS]

  back a picture of like 15 of them back [TS]

  okay so then I i skipped a couple of [TS]

  head and I'm like these ones are pretty [TS]

  cool i'm not even trying to I'm not even [TS]

  fronting to him anymore I'm just like I [TS]

  I like these ones these are cool send [TS]

  him one and he's send me back a picture [TS]

  of that one and then the 10 iterations [TS]

  on either side of it i'm just like i [TS]

  don't i am beat [TS]

  and so I go immediately I'm out of this [TS]

  game right I go immediately to my best [TS]

  pair and he's got those two and then in [TS]

  desperation I take a picture of my [TS]

  entire glasses collection and I'm like [TS]

  and I'd I'm not I'm not throwing it down [TS]

  like boom I'm just like well you know [TS]

  sometimes it's hard to find all the cool [TS]

  raise that I have interspersed amongst [TS]

  all these other amazing glasses that I [TS]

  have that you probably don't [TS]

  how's your barn a collection dude you [TS]

  know like I send him this thing and what [TS]

  he writes back he doesn't send a picture [TS]

  back he writes back i noticed that you [TS]

  shot your collection from underneath [TS]

  from the floor you laid on the floor to [TS]

  take this picture to make your Tower of [TS]

  glasses see more impressive and I was [TS]

  just like oh I'm defeated utterly [TS]

  defeated by this he didn't feel like he [TS]

  had to come back at you [TS]

  he didn't heat and and part of the [TS]

  application was all of my classes [TS]

  wouldn't even fit in a single frame [TS]

  oh and I you know and and and basically [TS]

  like I have a bigger fish to fry right [TS]

  now junior and I just like that she's [TS]

  got more important people send pictures [TS]

  of sunglasses too [TS]

  yeah I just slunk away i slunk away [TS]

  yeah i yeah okay I take your point this [TS]

  may not be the thing for you [TS]

  what so what would you if you were if [TS]

  somebody came in and they were like [TS]

  listen mother we know that this isn't [TS]

  your thing but you have to fill up a [TS]

  booth at the fair [TS]

  it's part of its part of your parole [TS]

  it's part of its part of your transition [TS]

  to the next layer to the next level [TS]

  what would your booth would your your [TS]

  glass case containing I don't know what [TS]

  time i would have said zippo lighters I [TS]

  don't have a huge collection but you [TS]

  know I had a dozen or so I you know I [TS]

  don't have a good current collection of [TS]

  things that aren't just purely garbage [TS]

  I don't have that anymore you used to [TS]

  have [TS]

  didn't you used to have figurines used [TS]

  to have like like anything yeah I don't [TS]

  have anything I don't have anything rare [TS]

  or unusual it'll be more like if I went [TS]

  to Target Field a few bags and then [TS]

  happened to go to the fair and put it on [TS]

  the table so it's not you don't have [TS]

  like ren and stimpy in their original [TS]

  box that type of stuff don't have [TS]

  anything in its original box and that's [TS]

  a good climate is fair enough cheese I [TS]

  don't know there's a time when I [TS]

  would've said maybe records but what [TS]

  you're describing is so dispiriting [TS]

  because what you're describing is kind [TS]

  of my experience of dealing with a lot [TS]

  of folks like this where it's why nerds [TS]

  get a bad name is things like this where [TS]

  there's no way that this ends that [TS]

  anybody's actually happy like it's not [TS]

  joyful it's not celebratory it's like [TS]

  two guys with micro penises like [TS]

  whipping it out as much as one can with [TS]

  a micropenis [TS]

  you know what I hate to disappoint you [TS]

  or anything you know this already but [TS]

  the zippo lighter guy [TS]

  yeah the zippo lighter guys got 800 [TS]

  lighters yeah right yeah and you know [TS]

  and they're they're from Vietnam and you [TS]

  don't want the challenge I'm trying to [TS]

  answer the challenge i'm telling you i [TS]

  think i would come up short [TS]

  I'm looking around my office now i don't [TS]

  i don't really have I don't have [TS]

  anything useful that would interest [TS]

  other people and definitely would not be [TS]

  worth the kind of discussions i would [TS]

  have to have with that with sunglasses [TS]

  guy what about your collection of a like [TS]

  USB 2.0 firewire card I have a pretty [TS]

  good collection of sketchy 25 and [TS]

  c50 you know what my zip drive by zip [TS]

  and jazz drive collection would be very [TS]

  useful [TS]

  I my wonder i wonder if there's not a [TS]

  collection right under your nose [TS]

  let me try to get forest for the trees I [TS]

  got a lot of really nice pencils here [TS]

  like little kids pencils see I don't I [TS]

  just I just feel like this is this is an [TS]

  interesting thought technology for you [TS]

  because it could help guide what you [TS]

  decide to do in the future i'll just [TS]

  point out in passing [TS]

  there is also another ferret coming in [TS]

  April there's a countdown of JavaScript [TS]

  countdown of the top of the page hundred [TS]

  ninety four days three hours 26 minutes [TS]

  till the the LOL thats until the spring [TS]

  fair there's a there's us a state fair [TS]

  in the spring [TS]

  um it says it's the spits the spring [TS]

  fairness in JavaScript so it must be [TS]

  true [TS]

  huh I I guess I just never I always [TS]

  think about right there isn't one here [TS]

  at the exercise it could be a thought [TS]

  technology just for you to think about [TS]

  you don't committing you're committing [TS]

  enough filling out the pdfs you just [TS]

  because you know how those hard there to [TS]

  fill out right [TS]

  try to do that on your phone i right [TS]

  what do they want me to fax it back to [TS]

  him fuck you know I fight I I feel like [TS]

  I feel like my role in life and this is [TS]

  one of those this is one of those things [TS]

  I'm still trying to figure out maybe my [TS]

  duck is that I am i man appreciate her [TS]

  like I should be a judge I was going to [TS]

  say it seems to me you should be [TS]

  adjudicating yes yes you should be [TS]

  deciding who can get in [TS]

  you should be helping them curate create [TS]

  what they're gonna bring their oh my god [TS]

  you would be great on the Executive [TS]

  Board of of the Washington State Fair [TS]

  hobby hall a facilitator a judge and an [TS]

  appreciator chief appreciator uh-huh [TS]

  but but the thing is i would be a pretty [TS]

  harsh mistress right I'm gonna walk [TS]

  around and be like yeah alright Betty [TS]

  Boop lady up there are a lot of Betty [TS]

  Boop's here but give me the spirit of [TS]

  your collection give me the inner like [TS]

  how this a reality show waiting to [TS]

  happen [TS]

  I don't need idea don't need to know the [TS]

  theme because I know the theme it's [TS]

  everybody boop but like where what is [TS]

  special hear anything with three that [TS]

  are going to surprise me [TS]

  yeah where's the witches where's your [TS]

  first we all remember our first Betty [TS]

  Boop yes and then [TS]

  what was the which one was the one where [TS]

  you unleash the dragon [TS]

  where was the you know you got to the [TS]

  third when you get to the fourth one I [TS]

  don't think anybody gets one Betty Boop [TS]

  and says I'm you know what I love this [TS]

  little thing I see and I did I was [TS]

  somewhere out there is a carpenter's cup [TS]

  is the one that you found where you go [TS]

  o.o like this is haha this is the one [TS]

  and now i realize that i have become an [TS]

  insane person [TS]

  alright let me take you over your booth [TS]

  but [TS]