Roderick on the Line

Ep. 175: "Backwards at Half Speed"


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  against humanity this month they invited [TS]

  the nerd logs to help me say hi to john [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  John [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  lo I John I'm Merlin how's it going [TS]

  ack ack it's my back those three letters [TS]

  made me laugh out loud I hate monday i [TS]

  hate mondays Irving oh em I'm facedown [TS]

  in lasagna Oh No [TS]

  so I was a sleeping in my box and cody [TS]

  came and danced on my head [TS]

  000 d 00 d like odious am i right [TS]

  mhm mhm my daughter likes Garfield [TS]

  because he's lazy [TS]

  oh really hmm she's that that's that's [TS]

  your spirit animal i think my daughter [TS]

  also likes Garfield unclear why doesn't [TS]

  get the jokes wants me to read Garfield [TS]

  to her i have the entire Garfield [TS]

  collection as you can imagine I mean not [TS]

  the entire one but every all those [TS]

  little those little like a rectangular [TS]

  yeah the solid color boxes that other [TS]

  one Jim Davis published from 78 to [TS]

  whatever 82 love Garfield on floor oh [TS]

  yeah it was amazing this he was for his [TS]

  time somewhat subversive shucky darn and [TS]

  slop the chickens Chucky Chucky darn and [TS]

  slop the chickens [TS]

  I just introduce my daughter to bloom [TS]

  county i read her one bloom county and [TS]

  she really liked it [TS]

  there's a lot going on in bloom county [TS]

  there are a lot of lot of messages now [TS]

  right yeah we had a very awkward age [TS]

  because I expose my daughter to a lot [TS]

  more media i gather then you do with [TS]

  yours but I'm we're getting to a point [TS]

  where this more stuff that she can watch [TS]

  but she's not going to get a lot of the [TS]

  jokes right like the jokes in The [TS]

  Godfather and godfather two are very [TS]

  very like they're not really played for [TS]

  laughs no that's true but yea 22 that I [TS]

  keep thinking about are there they're [TS]

  not entirely appropriate for kids her [TS]

  age but you know mainly main reason I [TS]

  old office that she won't get the jokes [TS]

  one is young frankenstein which is not [TS]

  fairly [TS]

  engage it's not entirely age-appropriate [TS]

  but it is it is still one of my favorite [TS]

  funny movie that's amazing but she does [TS]

  not unlike our generation she was not [TS]

  she is it has not been steeped in [TS]

  universal monster culture right or bore [TS]

  like classic black-and-white don't know [TS]

  your your daughter has more experience [TS]

  of like the the great at the Grand era [TS]

  of cinema but like the tropes that the [TS]

  tropes that movie was mocking right well [TS]

  yeah that definitely means I think she [TS]

  knows like what about what a Dracula is [TS]

  but she's not it wasn't like you know it [TS]

  was everywhere when we were kids but [TS]

  also like Shh like she loves Marx [TS]

  Brothers movies but she generally like [TS]

  most kids is with somethings [TS]

  black-and-white she's like what is what [TS]

  is this broken thing that we're watching [TS]

  this is weird but then the other one [TS]

  which I watched most of again last night [TS]

  is monty python and the holy grail i [TS]

  think i'm gonna give that one a couple [TS]

  more years yeah there's a lot going on [TS]

  there [TS]

  yeah and it goes by pretty quick but you [TS]

  know she has a flair for enjoying absurd [TS]

  humor but you know I think it's worth [TS]

  waiting [TS]

  I think the best practice to wait until [TS]

  your kids probably ready to to get why [TS]

  it's funny [TS]

  yeah there was I mean we were exposed to [TS]

  a lot of of movies and media from the [TS]

  forties fifties and sixties when we were [TS]

  kids because they're just wasn't that [TS]

  much media yes [TS]

  yeah and and one when they were [TS]

  searching around for something to put on [TS]

  the late show it was like well we've got [TS]

  we've got these movies and so we we [TS]

  watch them as though they were also part [TS]

  of our culture right i mean i even in [TS]

  the mid-seventies it still was it's that [TS]

  I watched a lot of fifties sitcoms as [TS]

  though they were I knew they were all [TS]

  like i love lucy type stuff well yeah [TS]

  and leave it to beaver I mean those were [TS]

  those were on in the afternoon but also [TS]

  like I got introduced to sixties [TS]

  editorial cartoonists by finding old [TS]

  playboys and old playboys had a lot of [TS]

  the lot of the people writing [TS]

  drawing the cartoons the one panel [TS]

  cartoons in those old playboys were also [TS]

  doing cartoons for The New Yorker you [TS]

  know they were they were at the time of [TS]

  course playboy was was a hat could [TS]

  attract the best writers so like [TS]

  what's-his-name kahile kahan oh yeah [TS]

  yeah i know he mean I'm out dammit the [TS]

  guy with the he drives the really crazy [TS]

  looking creatures that look abroad but I [TS]

  got an A and Wilson uh well you know [TS]

  this is the problem with being there [TS]

  someplace to look I'm going to say again [TS]

  Wilson Cahan Wilson right so he so like [TS]

  his cartoons were in Playboy's that I [TS]

  would find under a board in the forest [TS]

  which is where you used to find [TS]

  Playboy's help people don't remember the [TS]

  boards if you were out in the woods and [TS]

  there when you saw piece of plywood it [TS]

  was always part in the woods [TS]

  yeah you go lift up the plywood and [TS]

  maybe there'd be a playboy or maybe [TS]

  they're just cherry magazines which is [TS]

  grow in the woods that's right so then [TS]

  you get when you open it up and you know [TS]

  after you had seen the naked ladies then [TS]

  there was what else is there to do these [TS]

  were you would you would you would pour [TS]

  over these Playboy's trying to figure [TS]

  out trying to decode adult culture [TS]

  uh-huh and there were all these great [TS]

  cartoons and all these reviews for HiFi [TS]

  stereo systems and and and sophisticated [TS]

  political talk guys and swim trials just [TS]

  making kool cigarettes smoking kool [TS]

  cigarettes and swim trunks wrong thing [TS]

  outside on the deck and so much of that [TS]

  a lot of tax so I yes so so so by the [TS]

  time bloom county came around you know i [TS]

  had already read quite a bit of Nichols [TS]

  and May style sixties political [TS]

  commentary and I understood the language [TS]

  a little bit of the references you know [TS]

  because he blew counter is making a lot [TS]

  of references to Nixon and all the stuff [TS]

  even though that wasn't even [TS]

  his era I don't know era era mashing [TS]

  yeah i mean i-i think I I only feel the [TS]

  need to middle-aged explain this because [TS]

  there are people that may not but not [TS]

  they should care but the one thing to be [TS]

  aware of is there was there was a time [TS]

  when whatever was on TV is what was on [TS]

  TV you don't get to pick when it was on [TS]

  you didn't decide what it was gonna be [TS]

  so my daughter and I love that there are [TS]

  there are listeners who are like he [TS]

  never considered that you have to keep [TS]

  in mind you have to remember that there [TS]

  are there are people now who are 30 [TS]

  years old that have never had a CD [TS]

  except as a gift that's the thing that's [TS]

  that's you know you've been people have [TS]

  not been buying a lot of cds for 10 to [TS]

  15 years and it's it's crazy anyhow but [TS]

  so all I'm saying is that in this case [TS]

  there the total catalog of what was [TS]

  available was much more narrow there's a [TS]

  lot more that long tail like old stuff [TS]

  like I mean I can't say how many times [TS]

  I've seen like you know Bob Hope and [TS]

  Bing Crosby movies right stopped at that [TS]

  time was 20 to 30 years old and is now [TS]

  what 60 to 70 years old [TS]

  think about it that way it's pretty [TS]

  crazy but like you just must remove all [TS]

  the time you have creature feature and [TS]

  all that kind of stuff or just all the [TS]

  Arthurian stuff that is the basis much [TS]

  of the basis for Holy Grail [TS]

  mmm I don't think she's steeped in that [TS]

  yeah well i don't know i don't i don't [TS]

  know if they ever if she will be or if [TS]

  my kid ever will be I had a really [TS]

  interesting conversation with the [TS]

  Millennial person who was a person of [TS]

  great intelligence and goodwill and I [TS]

  asked what I thought was kind of a [TS]

  simple question which was like what [TS]

  who are the who would you say where the [TS]

  handful of members of your generation [TS]

  who you admire the most or who you think [TS]

  are representative of your generation [TS]

  culturally and she said what do you mean [TS]

  and I was like well I mean exactly that [TS]

  like there are people of your generation [TS]

  who are doing cool things and and when I [TS]

  was 22 I knew a lot of I mean I could [TS]

  tell you who the the five prime movers [TS]

  were in establishing a beachhead of our [TS]

  voice in adult [TS]

  culture uh-huh who's doing that for you [TS]

  and she was like mm I don't know Jon [TS]

  Stewart and I was like no no I mean your [TS]

  people of your generation she was like [TS]

  well Jon Stewart is of our generation [TS]

  that's not sure he's older than me I [TS]

  think [TS]

  well right and when and what she what [TS]

  she meant was kind of I think she was [TS]

  describing it really was a language we [TS]

  had a language golf that we struggled to [TS]

  surmount because what she was saying i [TS]

  guess was that because now all media is [TS]

  everywhere all the time and everything [TS]

  is equally accessible several you only [TS]

  have the same term yeah it's almost like [TS]

  you asking asking her like what's your [TS]

  favorite Victrola or something she'd [TS]

  like I don't understand like the [TS]

  question there's not really a thing for [TS]

  that for from her standpoint as a smart [TS]

  twenty-two-year-old like I said well [TS]

  what about what about Taylor Swift and [TS]

  she was like well that's pop music that [TS]

  doesn't matter or or that some like she [TS]

  was laying claim to everything that was [TS]

  being made now regardless of who was [TS]

  making it and and so Stephen Colbert was [TS]

  contemporary and so therefore of her [TS]

  generation it was up now it's more like [TS]

  whoo [TS]

  it came out recently so it's part of my [TS]

  generation right right and you know and [TS]

  and in a sense like in 1986 like Peter [TS]

  Gabriel his record was really big and we [TS]

  would have said Peter Gabriel was [TS]

  popular music now but it but Peter [TS]

  Gabriel was not our he wasn't our [TS]

  generation we wouldn't have laid claim [TS]

  to him who will said I'm a peter gabriel [TS]

  fan but but it wasn't until people our [TS]

  age started making things that we have [TS]

  that sense of ownership like this is now [TS]

  this now belongs to us but she didn't [TS]

  she couldn't identify with that and I'm [TS]

  not sure I mean it's a sample set of one [TS]

  this conversation but but it was very [TS]

  interesting to to see at least in this [TS]

  person that that even the idea that the [TS]

  first one or two people of your [TS]

  generation that made it into the [TS]

  mainstream were even if you didn't like [TS]

  them they still were your emissaries and [TS]

  maybe it's because people of her [TS]

  generation have been on TV her whole [TS]

  life for or there are there are too many [TS]

  to count sore or vine or I mean I i I'm [TS]

  it was but it was very hard for me to [TS]

  even because what she because she kind [TS]

  of turned the tables on me and was [TS]

  asking for clarification in the sense of [TS]

  what I like describe what it was like to [TS]

  have that feeling of your of a [TS]

  generational like what having four or [TS]

  five people that you felt were your [TS]

  generation in the media [TS]

  I was like yeah kinda I mean there was [TS]

  not just Tabitha Soren I mean how the [TS]

  first time that somebody that first time [TS]

  that I turn on the TV and saw someone [TS]

  that was my age on TV right now who [TS]

  wasn't a kid in a sitcom but was like a [TS]

  young person speaking in their own voice [TS]

  in mainstream media it was like wow look [TS]

  i I'm I'm consumed by a feeling of like [TS]

  total envy and fury at this young person [TS]

  for being more successful than me but [TS]

  also i'm so excited like it's one of us [TS]

  there's just you know on the news team [TS]

  yeah yeah i don't know i don't i'm [TS]

  trying to I I don't have enough [TS]

  knowledge reference or context for [TS]

  what's happening right now to even know [TS]

  what to compare em but I don't know for [TS]

  some reason is what sticks out of my [TS]

  head is what I now realize you know that [TS]

  we talk people talk a lot i was talking [TS]

  about like you know the whole meet music [TS]

  music thing the way that CDs were kind [TS]

  of [TS]

  an anomaly that it was extraordinary how [TS]

  many CDs sold up until 1999 and you know [TS]

  a lot of people into the music industry [TS]

  thought that was a trend that was gonna [TS]

  keep going [TS]

  various things happened but you know [TS]

  it's the truth is that you know music is [TS]

  always sold but never sold any way like [TS]

  the way music sort of the nineties so I [TS]

  mean now we look at go that was actually [TS]

  an anomaly in and now I think about the [TS]

  mid-eighties and also just me and my [TS]

  punk rock you know brain but like I [TS]

  remember feeling just so strangled by [TS]

  like six recording artists they're just [TS]

  everywhere like Madonna all the obvious [TS]

  ones right Donna michael jackson Prince [TS]

  I mean I like Prince but like out by you [TS]

  know 1985 I was I'd really had enough [TS]

  present at that point it was every [TS]

  whitney houston it was just everywhere I [TS]

  mean everyone Madonna was everywhere and [TS]

  I'm trying to save myself all is that [TS]

  kind of what it's like with taylor swift [TS]

  now because i don't know i'm not sure [TS]

  that it is no i don't know i don't worry [TS]

  the formula has changed because you know [TS]

  there were only three radio stations or [TS]

  whatever that we could listen to them [TS]

  and now if you want if you were a few [TS]

  routine who liked the Beatles the [TS]

  Rolling Stones you would never have to [TS]

  listen to anything else you could get [TS]

  into your mom's car and you could say [TS]

  plug in my my music and then you know if [TS]

  you were fewer bratty teen you could say [TS]

  mom only play my station when we're in [TS]

  the car on our way to and from school [TS]

  and you know you could just you could [TS]

  limit your exposure and it would feel [TS]

  like freedom and choice and feel like I [TS]

  feel like you're curating your own [TS]

  existence and you can just listen to the [TS]

  music you wanted to in the end and that [TS]

  is what the media companies not the not [TS]

  the not the record companies but like [TS]

  it's what Apple and the and that the [TS]

  tech media companies have been selling [TS]

  to us for a long time that it's that we [TS]

  are now liberated and we can we can [TS]

  curate our feed so that it only it it [TS]

  only contains things that give us [TS]

  pleasure and what your social graph and [TS]

  i'm going to curate your social graph [TS]

  curate your social graph [TS]

  but but the problem with that is of [TS]

  course that you and I and people in [TS]

  olden times in ye olden times were [TS]

  exposed to a lot of stuff involuntarily [TS]

  just because it was always on it was all [TS]

  but you know and and and that and that [TS]

  kind of like oh god I just want to watch [TS]

  TV and all that's on right now is [TS]

  twilight zone and so I'm gonna watch it [TS]

  and then you realize oh I wouldn't have [TS]

  chosen to watch this because it it [TS]

  didn't have anything that appear that [TS]

  that seems to appeal to me at first but [TS]

  now having watch it out of boredom and [TS]

  frustration having watched it out of the [TS]

  fact that it's the only thing on now I [TS]

  realize it's a it's brilliant and and [TS]

  it's open me up to all the stuff that I [TS]

  wouldn't have been exposed to who and [TS]

  now you don't have to do that nobody [TS]

  does and it's not it's not just young [TS]

  people like people my age can can and do [TS]

  and consider it a considerate of a gift [TS]

  and a prize to be able to never ever [TS]

  ever ever be exposed to something that [TS]

  they didn't choose in terms of music [TS]

  unless they you know unless they decide [TS]

  to spin the bottle one day and just put [TS]

  on the put on the the change the [TS]

  settings on their their music program so [TS]

  that it's no longer the the built to [TS]

  spill channel but now it's the the [TS]

  mariah carey channel just to see what [TS]

  happens [TS]

  I mean at-at and i think so i think that [TS]

  there are still just as many Jimi [TS]

  Hendrix fans there ever were [TS]

  but nobody's hearing about mountain [TS]

  because Matt nobody puts mountain in as [TS]

  the as the band on their Spotify you [TS]

  know nobody puts everybody puts jimi [TS]

  hendrix and nobody puts the James Gang [TS]

  in your jim-dandy or like like either of [TS]

  those bands you going oh that sounds a [TS]

  lot like stuff that I know this o.o [TS]

  that's who does that song so I you know [TS]

  I am I feel like [TS]

  I feel like the the the world is still [TS]

  the world still contains as much as many [TS]

  multitudes but unless it comes unless it [TS]

  comes up in the algorithm like yeah we [TS]

  we were we were stuck in a world where [TS]

  where Madonna and phil collins and peter [TS]

  gabriel and prints were all there were [TS]

  but i remember going to college and [TS]

  discovering really discovering Exile on [TS]

  Main Street which for whatever reason [TS]

  when i was in high school like I listen [TS]

  to sticky fingers but I hadn't gone down [TS]

  the stones rabbit hole quite like I did [TS]

  later because I would because my friends [TS]

  were mostly listening to metal and so [TS]

  the stones were a little Stones and the [TS]

  Beatles were thing that I and a couple [TS]

  of other guys kept as our secret little [TS]

  world in in a in our larger culture [TS]

  which was listening to accept let's be [TS]

  honest we were listening to triumph and [TS]

  accept and and and the forebears of that [TS]

  stuff like Steppenwolf you know likes [TS]

  Steppenwolf being being an earlier [TS]

  iteration of of except um I i don't [TS]

  disagree but uh but something like what [TS]

  likely get deep maybe deep purple purple [TS]

  tons of it with that was our party music [TS]

  whoo [TS]

  but the and the stones were separate [TS]

  from that and and that was kind of a [TS]

  secret world but anyway I but Exile on [TS]

  Main Street just didn't didn't make its [TS]

  way to me until my freshman year in [TS]

  college and I remember diving into that [TS]

  record and feeling like I had discovered [TS]

  a whole world and all my convos what [TS]

  have I been doing with my life been [TS]

  wasting my life not listening to this [TS]

  album [TS]

  and my roommate who grew up in San [TS]

  Francisco was like oh my God if I never [TS]

  hear that record again I will i would be [TS]

  fine and I was like what are you talking [TS]

  about he was like oh we just used to [TS]

  listen to that record every I mean we [TS]

  have listened to it a billion times [TS]

  growing up in San Francisco Exile on [TS]

  Main Street was just everywhere and so [TS]

  he was already [TS]

  I mean that record was 15 years old at [TS]

  the time and he was he had all he [TS]

  already felt like it was just used up [TS]

  and I and I couldn't believe that he and [TS]

  I could be so alike in so in such good [TS]

  pals but have that I was hearing this [TS]

  thing for the first time and and just [TS]

  wanted to you know I just wanted to sit [TS]

  there with inch and and share in it and [TS]

  he and it was dead to him he couldn't [TS]

  hear anything wonderful in it anymore [TS]

  because he'd been listening to it since [TS]

  he was ten not sure what my point is you [TS]

  know I've never said that on this [TS]

  program never having I don't believe [TS]

  I've ever seen anything this don't [TS]

  remember i'm i'm i am so groggy [TS]

  yeah do you even try even traveling a [TS]

  lot [TS]

  well I have been but the grogginess is I [TS]

  don't know what's going on when I came [TS]

  home from my trip I opened my front door [TS]

  and my house smelled funny oh yeah [TS]

  that's the thing that's it that's [TS]

  totally a thing i didn't know what it [TS]

  was you can't smell your own house [TS]

  what it really smells like unless you're [TS]

  away for a few days mm but it was an [TS]

  additional on top of normal smelly and [TS]

  you know my house smells like me but [TS]

  this was something else and it was just [TS]

  sickly sweet enough that it that the [TS]

  that the question did something die in [TS]

  the fireplace flue was in play but it [TS]

  also could have been that you know that [TS]

  my kid dropped an apricot and it rolled [TS]

  under the rolled into the heating vent [TS]

  or it could have it could have been that [TS]

  somebody spilled some cough syrup on the [TS]

  furnace [TS]

  always nice to have a little bit of milk [TS]

  between the couch cushions that's a [TS]

  favorite of mine right and but there's a [TS]

  it wasn't like a it wasn't like around [TS]

  milk smell it was something else and [TS]

  someone and I'm running around maybe [TS]

  somebody's making prison hooch while [TS]

  you're away [TS]

  well that would you know I didn't go [TS]

  check on under the crawl space but so I [TS]

  wandering around I'm like it smells [TS]

  equally like this smell in every room [TS]

  which is strange [TS]

  it didn't feel concentrated anywhere and [TS]

  then I asked my it was so weird that I [TS]

  asked my mom to come out to the house [TS]

  and walk around and smell and she walked [TS]

  I was like I don't smell anything really [TS]

  so it's faint but having woken up this [TS]

  morning [TS]

  you know I slept in the house last night [TS]

  we will have this morning and I just [TS]

  feel a little drugged [TS]

  don't get me started i think about it [TS]

  all the time oh well first of all like [TS]

  our house is old and I don't realize [TS]

  that our house smells old [TS]

  unless I'm Way away for like three or [TS]

  four days or like there's nobody in the [TS]

  house you haven't any window activity [TS]

  there's no walking around there's been [TS]

  no cooking and I think that i'm guessing [TS]

  every house settles into a certain smell [TS]

  you know when it's just left still me [TS]

  and I'm saying like you're taking out [TS]

  the trash you can have done all this [TS]

  normal stop there's no Aaron apricots [TS]

  that you're aware of but like I think [TS]

  how settles into a certain smell and [TS]

  that smell is nigh on impossible to [TS]

  detect unless unless you've been away [TS]

  when I can't put my finger on it it's [TS]

  not exactly Musti it's not exactly gassy [TS]

  but I know I I oh gosh i live in fear [TS]

  that the apricot or whatever is going [TS]

  down the heating vent or like that i'm [TS]

  constantly checking the pilot lights [TS]

  because they go out really easy and it's [TS]

  like I just I don't want to be I just I [TS]

  don't have a freak accident especially [TS]

  if it was avoidable freak acts all those [TS]

  the word freak accidents the worst right [TS]

  i mean there's only so much preparation [TS]

  you can do for a freak accident and [TS]

  that's what makes it a freak accident [TS]

  yeah exactly exactly i think about i [TS]

  think about freak accidents now in a way [TS]

  that I that I never thought about them [TS]

  before freak accidents like in uh you [TS]

  know like in I could the Roman remember [TS]

  was in the old man with a guy [TS]

  goes back either amendment me ghetto or [TS]

  whatever and he goes back to get the [TS]

  knives [TS]

  I'll never forget that scene with the [TS]

  giant sheet of glass a member this come [TS]

  swinging through the air something [TS]

  happens something happens it hits the [TS]

  thing that break moves this thing ships [TS]

  just a little bit and really totally cut [TS]

  his head off and his head rolls down the [TS]

  glass that's like a canonical freak [TS]

  accidents and me totally free access [TS]

  except that one was actually staged by [TS]

  Satan yeah now we know we know now [TS]

  mm just leave believe the knives you [TS]

  leave the knives that's right don't go [TS]

  back for the for the steely knives those [TS]

  when I don't want I just can't kill the [TS]

  Beast 100 go ahead and when when I would [TS]

  hear that song I still always think of [TS]

  the knives from the omen [TS]

  oh interesting now i will just like [TS]

  remembering your friendly drink from the [TS]

  water phone [TS]

  yeah that's right that's it's the [TS]

  stealing those are the steely knives of [TS]

  hotel california love that drum fill [TS]

  this is people who do the stealing items [TS]

  from the moment I i made that connection [TS]

  i think the first time I heard heard the [TS]

  song and listen to it would be the song [TS]

  hotel california by the eagles by the [TS]

  visuals which is 40 years old making a [TS]

  making our OTL playlist right now I [TS]

  again are a tlr iyl recommended if you [TS]

  like 40 year old songs huh that's the [TS]

  part that's amazing to me and like you [TS]

  know I like when I think about something [TS]

  like watching The Flintstones as a kid [TS]

  which i think most people our age did [TS]

  because it was just it was on a lot yeah [TS]

  but do you have a definite do and the [TS]

  front steps would be on and it I it [TS]

  seemed hopelessly hopelessly old it just [TS]

  seemed like that cartoon style was so [TS]

  weird and but the so then I got to do [TS]

  that thing that I do and I need a name [TS]

  for what this is called but that are you [TS]

  know that lines on this to that is yes [TS]

  exactly right there is there no but we [TS]

  do that so much is there no term of art [TS]

  for it [TS]

  I don't I don't I don't know the answer [TS]

  when stones was as far away from me in [TS]

  1975 as as X is from okay now I want a [TS]

  name for that I want a website for that [TS]

  but in this instance i'm saying what i'm [TS]

  saying is that i was watching The [TS]

  Flintstones when it's only been 10 years [TS]

  since it came on it's incredible and now [TS]

  it's been over 40 years [TS]

  that happened is the thing right hand [TS]

  and so I mean 10 years it seems like a [TS]

  lot maybe not i mean nevermind was 20 [TS]

  what 25 years ago [TS]

  mmm 24 24 years ago so that's the kind [TS]

  of thing yeah I used to think that like [TS]

  what's so what is it like for example [TS]

  you take synchronicity is 1983 now so [TS]

  that's 30 32 years right all right ma'am [TS]

  yeah and so 32 years for that was the [TS]

  Korean War I synchronous city [TS]

  yeah that is that is that is bonkers but [TS]

  it does but it's not help it [TS]

  this is this is the conversation i had [TS]

  with it with the girl it [TS]

  we were so that that that protraction [TS]

  right that like a generational geometry [TS]

  really meant a lot to us at the time and [TS]

  partly it was because a lot of what we [TS]

  were consuming in the eighties was [TS]

  through the eyes of baby boomers who [TS]

  were reflecting on there who are [TS]

  nostalgic for their own youth right i [TS]

  don't think there was ever a generation [TS]

  that was more nostalgic for their youth [TS]

  then baby boomers in middle age they had [TS]

  a lot to be not not not good reasons [TS]

  necessarily but at least a large tonnage [TS]

  of things to be nostalgic about because [TS]

  they were also the one of the first [TS]

  generations that we say what say what is [TS]

  it they say in America being a teenager [TS]

  didn't really exist until like the [TS]

  revolutionary war wasn't really a thing [TS]

  to the 20th century and it wasn't a [TS]

  market until the forties and fifties [TS]

  right so people were making a lot of [TS]

  things for them that were cool toys that [TS]

  were TV shows that were movies right and [TS]

  it was all happening at the editor at [TS]

  somewhat of a dawning age of technology [TS]

  so a lot of like my older brother who [TS]

  was a full-on baby boomer you know he [TS]

  was there he remembers his first TV he [TS]

  was there to see how duty and Roy Rogers [TS]

  and and black-and-white television and [TS]

  so all of that stuff [TS]

  and whether or not he felt his childhood [TS]

  was innocent [TS]

  it certainly was was more innocent than [TS]

  his then his teen years right i mean [TS]

  that was that was a time when you didn't [TS]

  question the government still so forth [TS]

  and so they were it when we were teens [TS]

  those people were in their thirties and [TS]

  forties and they were they were [TS]

  ironically in some ways but also just as [TS]

  pureness nostalgically consuming their [TS]

  their youth media and so we were too and [TS]

  there was a real sense even at the time [TS]

  for me that like the adults are this far [TS]

  away from their childhood and one day I [TS]

  will be that far away from my childhood [TS]

  except my childhood i will be consuming [TS]

  not only scooby-doo which was the which [TS]

  was the scooby-doo even was it was kind [TS]

  of a rerun [TS]

  but what the hell was the media of our [TS]

  childhood it was all reruns [TS]

  but you know no like eight is enough for [TS]

  something not only will i be remembering [TS]

  that but i will also be remembering my [TS]

  childhood through the media of this [TS]

  generation before me and we were so we [TS]

  we were conscious of that architecture [TS]

  and now we really want to think about [TS]

  the young people today through that same [TS]

  lens and they don't and that [TS]

  architectures gone for them so here we [TS]

  are like that was 30 years ago and this [TS]

  is 30 years from now and that was 30 [TS]

  years from then and the 24 year olds [TS]

  just like I don't with they don't even [TS]

  they can't picture what's inside our [TS]

  minds because they don't have the same [TS]

  the basic building blocks and and so [TS]

  we're just left like and the thing is [TS]

  when I when I play that game with baby [TS]

  boomers they're like kind of not [TS]

  interested either because they see [TS]

  themselves as the beginning right in [TS]

  nineteen in 1955 when they were sitting [TS]

  down to watch Howdy duty they weren't [TS]

  they were there were Errol Flynn movies [TS]

  on TV or if there were that was very [TS]

  much like [TS]

  there there dad but there's a whole new [TS]

  there was media being created for them [TS]

  on an hourly basis and it belonged to [TS]

  them right [TS]

  uh-huh so yeah we're just here we are [TS]

  just at sea again [TS]

  Merlin are our whole conversation just [TS]

  always ends up depositing us back on [TS]

  this strange lily pad of like Generation [TS]

  X nobody cares about it except [TS]

  Generation X and we care about it so [TS]

  passionately and no we can't get anybody [TS]

  to share with us [TS]

  well I think I'm making this up right [TS]

  now but i think part of it is that uh I [TS]

  don't know if this is exactly exactly [TS]

  generational or just coincidence but I [TS]

  think I i have a feeling that people who [TS]

  were around our age grew up at a time [TS]

  when we realized it was important that [TS]

  in order to understand what we can [TS]

  potentially call our story or to [TS]

  understand about ourselves we have to [TS]

  find other people who who see that [TS]

  there's a story and kind of agree on [TS]

  what the story is don't know that was [TS]

  always the case i'm not sure that's [TS]

  entirely true today I mean it's easy [TS]

  enough probably to find somebody who can [TS]

  get on board with whatever your thing is [TS]

  nowadays and I just think you know what [TS]

  part of it is that you know wonderful [TS]

  lot of us missed certain windows by not [TS]

  having having found people where we [TS]

  could agree on what the story was what [TS]

  if that's been easier or more difficult [TS]

  overtime or even if it's a thing but and [TS]

  yeah I don't know either and I and I and [TS]

  I don't know how much more fruitful the [TS]

  wandering is going to be I had any I had [TS]

  a terrible dream last night [TS]

  not really terrible but I was I was with [TS]

  a group of people members of my family [TS]

  friends we were we're walking when I was [TS]

  engaged in some business to business [TS]

  it was it was nighttime I have a map in [TS]

  my head of the of where we were it was [TS]

  maybe in the future and someone said to [TS]

  me that I was 82 years old and I said [TS]

  like what [TS]

  no and I started counting on my fingers [TS]

  the decade [TS]

  and I was like an 82 I i'm still I'm [TS]

  still young i have lots to do and look [TS]

  at you and I'm then I can dance and I [TS]

  can I can jump and everybody was like no [TS]

  you're I mean you're 82 and I was [TS]

  counting and I counted up on my fingers [TS]

  282 and I was like oh I am 82 story [TS]

  checks out but i but i was but i [TS]

  resisted it resisted being 82 and then I [TS]

  counted up on my fingers again and I got [TS]

  62 and I was like 62 alright i can live [TS]

  with 62 but then I wasn't confident that [TS]

  i had counted right and there was a lot [TS]

  of question about how old I was and none [TS]

  of it was very encouraging [TS]

  well okay so what did it feel like [TS]

  that's that's become my question when [TS]

  people are telling a dream because in [TS]

  the telling of a dream as we talked [TS]

  about when you're reciting the facts of [TS]

  the dreamer what you remember about the [TS]

  dream it's still it's difficult to me to [TS]

  communicate how you felt [TS]

  we can guess how you felt because we [TS]

  know the story you're telling but in the [TS]

  dream [TS]

  how did you feel when you recount wait [TS]

  first of all the disbelief that you're [TS]

  82 then when you're counting got 82 and [TS]

  then when you can dictate how are you [TS]

  feeling in the dream [TS]

  well I was checking with my physical [TS]

  plant was checking my body is desisted [TS]

  is abated two-year-olds body [TS]

  no no it's not i'm still limber I'm [TS]

  still you know I so I was so i was [TS]

  confused at this information because [TS]

  didn't comport with what I knew about [TS]

  myself and you know but I had that I had [TS]

  that brief feeling of like am I dressed [TS]

  appropriately for an 82 year old like [TS]

  please God don't let me be actually 82 [TS]

  and wearing some kind of clown outfit [TS]

  that would be appropriate on that would [TS]

  already probably not be appropriate [TS]

  thirty-five-year-old on the weigh-in [TS]

  today the methadone clinic was pretty it [TS]

  was pretty calm [TS]

  not a lot going on but I did pass a guy [TS]

  who was my age and was dressed like [TS]

  weiland from Stone Temple Pilots he had [TS]

  his hair was kind of spiked out [TS]

  yeah yeah that's that's a look at street [TS]

  rat look yeah it had a like frog it [TS]

  frosted tips he was wearing some tight [TS]

  pants that were like that had a kind of [TS]

  that wet quality wet wax equality that [TS]

  that rock and rollers prefer to their to [TS]

  their denim yeah when waxing who lived [TS]

  in that lived in very very tailored he [TS]

  and and and it was unclear whether he [TS]

  belonged in the delta sky lounge at SFO [TS]

  Airport because it was actually a [TS]

  millionaire rock entrepreneur or whether [TS]

  he was sort of a 48 year old guy who was [TS]

  trying to get his band going [TS]

  yeah and was it's easier than ever to to [TS]

  have a mix up like that [TS]

  yeah right and maybe he was living in [TS]

  interest in a chevy nova somewhere it [TS]

  was not clear but I did have the feeling [TS]

  of like okay this guy's is in Middle [TS]

  Ages rocking a look but I but it does [TS]

  feel authentic to him it feels like [TS]

  top-to-bottom he's been in this look and [TS]

  inhabiting this look for a long long [TS]

  time and so it's not so it looks [TS]

  appropriate and what that means is that [TS]

  we are now living in an age where there [TS]

  are going to be just as there is a Keith [TS]

  Richards right now who is what 70 who [TS]

  still is tying ribbons and feathers in [TS]

  his hair and is not and he and he is [TS]

  also a millionaire 7171 we are now [TS]

  entering into the era where they're [TS]

  going to be people in their seventies [TS]

  and eighties who have been rock and roll [TS]

  their whole lives and are going to be [TS]

  rock and roll all the way to the end [TS]

  right and so they're never going to ever [TS]

  put on a cardigan sweater and a pair of [TS]

  loafers they are going to be lacing up [TS]

  there doc martens all the way until they [TS]

  have to pay someone to help them lace-up [TS]

  the doc martens a brother and so or [TS]

  someone appointed by the state is going [TS]

  to be lacing up their dog cart and that [TS]

  is to get a shoelace erad litem i think [TS]

  i think it's gonna end up being part of [TS]

  that because you know the old people [TS]

  traditionally handled that transition to [TS]

  hold this by starting to wear loafers [TS]

  and eventually white loafers so they can [TS]

  see them in the in the dim lights also [TS]

  why they do that [TS]

  yeah the dim light of the early morning [TS]

  when they when they wake up it's an [TS]

  adaptation uh-huh [TS]

  they're like I wear my shoes are there [TS]

  they are white patent leather loafers or [TS]

  whatever that that all old people ended [TS]

  up in but but now we have now we are we [TS]

  have old rock and rollers [TS]

  uh-huh and they're never gonna do that [TS]

  unless I mean weiland I could see and [TS]

  white loafers because here that's it [TS]

  because he's one of those guys that like [TS]

  kind of maybe a little bit of the my own [TS]

  private idaho can look right Road yeah [TS]

  so but in my dream I still have that [TS]

  feeling of like it is it inappropriate [TS]

  for me to be to rock and roll now that [TS]

  I'm 82 right and i was checking myself [TS]

  feeling still pretty rock and roll and [TS]

  but feeling like that was evidence that [TS]

  i wasn't 82 so against my feelings were [TS]

  a little incredulity a little panic at [TS]

  you know and maybe have maybe a rip van [TS]

  winkle situation where what what [TS]

  happened to like I don't mind one day [TS]

  being 82 but what happened to the 27 [TS]

  years in the middle there where I was [TS]

  still going to do stuff you keep [TS]

  thinking those will go slow but i bet [TS]

  they'll go just as fast if and when you [TS]

  are got you know God willing if you make [TS]

  it to 82 you're going to be eat [TS]

  the gas and running out of fingers I bet [TS]

  just like what the what [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah so maybe it was a little [TS]

  bit of time travel [TS]

  maybe some dreams time travel and when [TS]

  I'm 82 i will have an experience of [TS]

  walking with my family through it [TS]

  through some charted terrain and I want [TS]

  dejavu at the time and be like this [TS]

  really feels familiar [TS]

  i'm so lost right now this is this is [TS]

  really overwhelming [TS]

  oh my goodness I i dreamed i lived in a [TS]

  storage sports stadium like a football [TS]

  stadium in an apartment with the [TS]

  landlord for my office the just last [TS]

  night [TS]

  oh yeah yeah yeahs and emma stone was [TS]

  there from the from the from the movies [TS]

  Emma Stone I think that's her name Emma [TS]

  Stone was there at nor actually Susan is [TS]

  that the Iranian hurt the stadium at [TS]

  your sports stadium where you lived in [TS]

  an apartment with you want with my men [TS]

  middle-aged landlord for my honest was [TS]

  nice he showed me how to open the [TS]

  windows [TS]

  how did you feel in a dream state [TS]

  I think I felt a slightly anxious like I [TS]

  do a lot of my dreams thing is i'm [TS]

  developing this new pro skill when I'm [TS]

  getting really good at being able to [TS]

  slide back into a dream and getting a [TS]

  little better i won't call lucid [TS]

  dreaming but I'm getting better at like [TS]

  after my child has welcomed me at 6am [TS]

  being able to like slide back into it [TS]

  and I've got a whole methodology I've [TS]

  been working on that is is really paying [TS]

  off [TS]

  Emma Stone born in 1988 yeah she's cool [TS]

  she's really funny she's funny she's [TS]

  cool on yeah yeah I make myself really [TS]

  slow down because I really is if i wake [TS]

  up his first thing I think when you wake [TS]

  up from a dream and you're getting [TS]

  panicky about trying to remember the [TS]

  dream and I think when you get to [TS]

  panicky and think too fast about a dream [TS]

  is when you start losing blocks the [TS]

  stuff starts getting erased right slow [TS]

  your roll slow down slow it way way down [TS]

  and think about if you can force [TS]

  yourself to think that about one-third [TS]

  or one-fourth of your usual speed you'll [TS]

  start remembering more things than just [TS]

  start scanning blindly over everything [TS]

  right you gotta get beyond ease back you [TS]

  gotta catch yourself you catch yourself [TS]

  and go away [TS]

  need a minute sing yourself a little [TS]

  song and lyrics are kidding Shh the [TS]

  lyrics and sing a little song in your [TS]

  head that the lyrics start getting [TS]

  filled in it comes back it's just making [TS]

  yourself walking backwards at half speed [TS]

  and also oh I do that a lot [TS]

  imagine has to be oh well you just well [TS]

  not doing it but imagining oh man it's [TS]

  iic differently i'm starting yeah so [TS]

  this is a different topic but like I [TS]

  started really wonder about my [TS]

  concentration because I find I've [TS]

  noticed that is many things in life if I [TS]

  slow way the fuck down [TS]

  what I'm doing a given thing it's a [TS]

  completely different experience for me [TS]

  really oh yeah yeah i mean i'm really [TS]

  really noticing and I'm wondering how [TS]

  much stuff I just don't see because my [TS]

  I'm moving so fast or I'm causing my [TS]

  brain to move so fast but it's an [TS]

  obvious example is eating eating slowly [TS]

  is fundamentally different from eating [TS]

  any other way haha I try I try [TS]

  well cannot eat slowly I just I feel [TS]

  like it I've will very easily just slip [TS]

  into an automatic way of doing things [TS]

  riding slowly I talk about something [TS]

  other show with Dan but if i'm doing [TS]

  more handwriting stuff started using a [TS]

  notebook again for stuff if i make [TS]

  myself right like cause myself to write [TS]

  at half of the normal speed and normally [TS]

  right I'm not only write a lot more [TS]

  neatly I end up i think my brain has a [TS]

  little more time to come up with stuff [TS]

  if I could just gonna try this try this [TS]

  right neatly and at about half speed and [TS]

  you get a really different quality of [TS]

  stuff coming out of your fingers so I [TS]

  was thinking about was the whole new [TS]

  thought technology for me John this is [TS]

  the major thought technology to and I [TS]

  and I think you're really onto something [TS]

  up you know i was i did a thing the [TS]

  other day of wikipedia dive on Hemingway [TS]

  and was reading some having waycross [TS]

  reading it to while I was reading about [TS]

  him and and you know what I have mixed [TS]

  feelings about Hemingway like any [TS]

  thoughtful person water but what I [TS]

  learned was although there is this image [TS]

  of Hemingway sitting at a typewriter he [TS]

  actually wrote all those books longhand [TS]

  you had a little lap desk and then they [TS]

  were typed for him but you know you've [TS]

  got these you have these pictures of [TS]

  Hemingway sitting in an Underwood [TS]

  never but there but that but it really [TS]

  was writing longhand and when I i wrote [TS]

  everything longhand until the let's say [TS]

  the mid-2000s like I had a computer and [TS]

  i wrote school reports let's say on the [TS]

  computer but like all my creative [TS]

  writing it was all with ballpoint pen in [TS]

  spiral-bound notebook and so you know [TS]

  you have that experience of like you [TS]

  enter into a sentence you are riding [TS]

  along you realize halfway through the [TS]

  sentence that you have gone somewhere [TS]

  now you have to pivot in your thought [TS]

  you need you need to be able to land [TS]

  this sentence and you have to you have [TS]

  to change somewhere along the line and [TS]

  you know like your tech utensils [TS]

  changing you can go back and and cross [TS]

  stuff out but you know but it's much [TS]

  it's much more acrobatic 22 to enter [TS]

  into a thought and then have that [TS]

  thought morph as you are creating it and [TS]

  then try and land that that that [TS]

  acrobatic move huh [TS]

  and so it was a it was not just it was [TS]

  absolutely a different art form then [TS]

  writing on a on a keyboard you know [TS]

  completely different exercise because of [TS]

  the keyboard get halfway through a [TS]

  sentence and you just got your just [TS]

  deleting like nope nope that's not what [TS]

  I'm trying to say but it didn't open up [TS]

  delete let's go back to blue and then [TS]

  the the final product shows no it shows [TS]

  no record of what of the three or four [TS]

  different ways you tried to get into it [TS]

  but you're also never obligated to just [TS]

  try and finish that thought you know our [TS]

  or contort in midair to to include what [TS]

  you've already written and still make [TS]

  the point you're trying to get to [TS]

  and I so but but adding the idea of than [TS]

  riding slowly and neatly to that 22 that [TS]

  with that which i already know and have [TS]

  just described [TS]

  yeah I feel like that is a major thought [TS]

  technology like the creative hack even I [TS]

  i think it might be well actually I i [TS]

  bet that everybody has things like this [TS]

  that are different things i'm tossing [TS]

  out a general macro thought technology [TS]

  is try doing stuffs more slowly [TS]

  o.o not just limited to handwrite oh no [TS]

  I mean I am in particular saying that [TS]

  that's that's a great example of what [TS]

  i'm talking about the ink slower it's [TS]

  hard to do but I you know what it is I [TS]

  mean I there's a lot of things where [TS]

  like I am a little bit of a grumpy old [TS]

  man but not as much as I as I scene I [TS]

  mean I don't have I don't have too much [TS]

  objection to how other people talk to [TS]

  other people like that's not my business [TS]

  right [TS]

  I'm not here to be the police officer it [TS]

  tells you whether and when you should [TS]

  use emojis and whether when you should [TS]

  use you know paragraphs and periods and [TS]

  stuff like that i will say that for [TS]

  myself I still I I still treasure the [TS]

  moment of struggling to say the thing [TS]

  that I want to say and just typing LMAO [TS]

  is not a thing i want to start doing [TS]

  with me means first of all the first [TS]

  time you do that are I mean are you [TS]

  literally laughing your ass off perhaps [TS]

  you are perhaps yards in which case [TS]

  that's a terrific sense you could write [TS]

  that was very funny I'm laughing my ass [TS]

  off right now but it comes awfully easy [TS]

  to just type those little letters and [TS]

  again I i'm speaking just here for [TS]

  myself I'm not trying to advocate for [TS]

  this but i like when i write to you or [TS]

  write to my wife or whatever even just [TS]

  in attacks i still find myself saying [TS]

  how am I gonna say this uh and and how [TS]

  do i how do I compact Lee and elegantly [TS]

  Sing se the thing that I want to say and [TS]

  have it go the way that I wanted to go [TS]

  and i feel myself being drawn this [TS]

  gravitational pull of drawing everybody [TS]

  into this really spazzy like over the [TS]

  top ! culture [TS]

  that I I'm not saying I'm against it but [TS]

  I want to be aware of it and i want to [TS]

  start making sure that i really want to [TS]

  be exclaiming that many things that i [TS]

  really want to actually has a 50 fucking [TS]

  year old man become that ejaculatory [TS]

  about saying i'll see you in five [TS]

  minutes [TS]

  hmm because maybe that doesn't matter [TS]

  what I think it might matter i'll leave [TS]

  it to other cultural commentators to [TS]

  decide whether that's a good or bad [TS]

  thing for people to grow up at that [TS]

  entirely but you know I want to I want [TS]

  to make myself be a little starchy [TS]

  sometimes I want to make myself go slow [TS]

  i want to make myself think about what [TS]

  I'm about to say because if we all just [TS]

  ejaculate the first thing that occurs to [TS]

  us all the time from now on that does [TS]

  not feel like a fun future to me [TS]

  mm so kind of pushback on that is that [TS]

  alright I I think that's I think that's [TS]

  wonderful and well put i have you [TS]

  discovered that LOL law in your own [TS]

  personal lexicon has has already morphed [TS]

  into haha yeah like yeah I noticed I [TS]

  noticed that with well I've never been a [TS]

  fan of LOL the i would much more [TS]

  frequently especially talking to you [TS]

  said the syllables LOL or-or-or long [TS]

  ruffle ruffle ruffle ruffle I just I've [TS]

  always thought that's so like you don't [TS]

  even have you don't even have time to [TS]

  laugh but they've they've come it's [TS]

  gonna if they morphed into at least at [TS]

  everyone I know and certainly the way i [TS]

  use them is just like not funny like not [TS]

  laughing out loud night when i see haha [TS]

  whose voice am i doing I'm kind of maybe [TS]

  doing the voices somebody that chick [TS]

  publication or maybe like a monkey on [TS]

  Pleasure Island in Pinocchio he better [TS]

  not when I say haha areas haha sounds [TS]

  like you know it's the sound of like a [TS]

  practical joke on wrong and I poke you [TS]

  in the eye [TS]

  haha like about bringing a plastic [TS]

  donkey that the chick publication is [TS]

  great because those were always felt [TS]

  hwhw I know he'll Charley Conners haha [TS]

  always having a heart attack that's just [TS]

  don't know his ghost is leaving the body [TS]

  and children [TS]

  oh he's sitting in front of a faceless [TS]

  judgment day jesus oh they could be that [TS]

  they would be the the the tribes would [TS]

  be so specific and like toms of finland [TS]

  at the beginning and then by the end it [TS]

  got real the get real degraded into just [TS]

  some kind of cloak Doctor Who character [TS]

  standing in flames [TS]

  yeah standing flame saying you are [TS]

  headed dad George and charley Conners I [TS]

  and what that does that gives me faith [TS]

  that that even the like that that there [TS]

  is that sort [TS]

  Donna scizzum wins out right that even [TS]

  even something as like dull-witted as [TS]

  law can be converted into into a way of [TS]

  conveying some of the degradation of [TS]

  reading reading against the grain a [TS]

  little bit yeah and a but it seems like [TS]

  they're surely there are people and I [TS]

  think they are probably all like [TS]

  Facebook moms who still use law ! as [TS]

  like I'm laughing out loud right now [TS]

  right now I feel like it has to it has [TS]

  turned almost entirely into like the [TS]

  thing that you just sent me isn't that [TS]

  funny trihard out like well there's [TS]

  something I I you know again it's like [TS]

  it's like the Eddie Eddie Vetter noise [TS]

  or the paul stanley screen [TS]

  don't start doing it ironically because [TS]

  within a week it won't be ironic anymore [TS]

  and now you just do that [TS]

  come on aaron has ever done ball or [TS]

  alright like don't start doing that and [TS]

  I spent 15 years ago wow alright [TS]

  like I don't know why but I started [TS]

  doing that on this is a friend of the [TS]

  family is a very very sweet woman she [TS]

  works she's probably maybe maybe 50 [TS]

  something she work she's she works at a [TS]

  school and she's always my like canary [TS]

  in the coal mine for whatever phrase it [TS]

  is about to become very noice some for [TS]

  me [TS]

  alright well yeah did she say that no no [TS]

  no no but she's she's always because [TS]

  she's got a teenage kids and she works [TS]

  in school and she picks up a lot of the [TS]

  Osher [TS]

  and but like I don't know maybe stuff [TS]

  I'm just hearing about for the first [TS]

  time the kids now are all are all doing [TS]

  David Lee rough haha wow [TS]

  but you're back now but for example one [TS]

  that now you and I use ironically she [TS]

  was the one of the first ones i heard [TS]

  who would say thank you [TS]

  paris hilton LOL thank you [TS]

  and then there's like there's like a [TS]

  whole Thank You culture like a whole [TS]

  like when you can sit around you have [TS]

  your white wine and talk about stuff [TS]

  just got a gal Thank You arm i love you [TS]

  i love you i sent you a couple panels [TS]

  from my all-time favorite chick [TS]

  publication called Wounded children [TS]

  wounded children wanted children [TS]

  I really it's a hell of a piece of work [TS]

  because he basically get from like [TS]

  there's there is a porno mag in the [TS]

  house the little boy finds its eight [TS]

  shows it to him [TS]

  oh my god it's not letting me see it I [TS]

  need to its I'm talking to you on skype [TS]

  right now [TS]

  uh-huh but there's this new button you [TS]

  see link address where you send me the [TS]

  link and then skype says sign into skype [TS]

  with your and it's just like what I'm [TS]

  i'm using skype you ding-a-ling [TS]

  centurylink see if that works better but [TS]

  Satan is showing him the book and little [TS]

  boy season he's obviously very upset [TS]

  within a few pages he's a young man in a [TS]

  leather bar with gay men hahaha [TS]

  did you hear the one about the traveling [TS]

  cells open the big drawer David and look [TS]

  at the pretty books as Satan that's your [TS]

  daddy's book [TS]

  yes Satan looks very hot in this i have [TS]

  to say is very muscley East Harrison [TS]

  this is a page we should probably [TS]

  acknowledged enter the Jabberwock calm [TS]

  if your daddy enjoys this book [TS]

  yeah it has to be okay and where's him [TS]

  in the bar looking in the bar [TS]

  I'm so high I'm flying tiny amyl nitrate [TS]

  sure get a rush [TS]

  wow this is where it's at yeah FML [TS]

  nitrate is where it's at [TS]

  whoa yeah yeah I remember that seen them [TS]

  in the fabulous furry freak brothers fat [TS]

  fries cat comic [TS]

  when now when no freewheeling Franklin [TS]

  freak has a bunch of amyl nitrate [TS]

  capsules in his front pocket of his [TS]

  shirt and some cop jumps jumps on him as [TS]

  cops were want to do at the time and he [TS]

  breaks all the amyl nitrate in in [TS]

  freewheeling Franklin's shirt pocket and [TS]

  free one Franklin inhales like 10 amyl [TS]

  nitrate capsules all at once and then he [TS]

  gets up and he kicks the cops ass while [TS]

  like a pie with spinach very funny i [TS]

  wish i could send you a link to that but [TS]

  you know they're not signed in and I [TS]

  wouldn't know I'm not signed it [TS]

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  oh yeah I used to collect these [TS]

  informally and in the fullness of time i [TS]

  actually started I cheated and I started [TS]

  buying them [TS]

  why did you can coordinate of course [TS]

  that what you think that come from it's [TS]

  not spontaneous generation bootstrap [TS]

  paradox they start somewhere and that's [TS]

  at the jack chick publications [TS]

  organization and you can order a bunch [TS]

  of these how do you think the end up in [TS]

  America's urinals you I've told you [TS]

  before haven't I about my flirtation [TS]

  with evangelical Christianity i-i-i [TS]

  don't think you have that hmm if you [TS]

  have I don't remember it but i would [TS]

  like to hear about that [TS]

  well during during that era in the [TS]

  eighties when most moral majority yeah [TS]

  yeah there was no there was it was [TS]

  really the the splintering of the [TS]

  factions the the even evangelicalism was [TS]

  coming was leaving the leading the [TS]

  Southern Baptist tradition and leaving [TS]

  the Midwestern sort of farm church [TS]

  culture and it was becoming Southern [TS]

  Californian and it was it was the mega [TS]

  churches were developing it was it was [TS]

  it was blowing up in our nation and [TS]

  there were chick publications it seems [TS]

  like everywhere and people were people [TS]

  were really getting into this this vocal [TS]

  muscular prosperity Christianity in a [TS]

  way that was was new and exciting and [TS]

  and you know I'm not a guy that wants to [TS]

  see a trend happen where is not he [TS]

  doesn't at least dip his toe in the [TS]

  water [TS]

  no you got you get your research you [TS]

  like you like to know what's going on [TS]

  you get to make your own decision [TS]

  hold your own counsel about these things [TS]

  but you know you don't want to just [TS]

  arrived something you didn't even know [TS]

  what that was going on for years exactly [TS]

  right so i started watching the PTL Club [TS]

  to see what was going on and I was I'm [TS]

  not somebody who consumes media [TS]

  ironically in particular they were good [TS]

  for you [TS]

  there were people think there were [TS]

  people out of a of our time the church [TS]

  of the bob dobbs crowd [TS]

  who watched PTL ironically but you know [TS]

  i was watching it just earnestly like [TS]

  let's see what's going on I didn't like [TS]

  it but i but i wanted i didn't want to [TS]

  be blind to what was happening and I [TS]

  always loved a chick comic because i [TS]

  love comics and you could put any kind [TS]

  of insanity into [TS]

  of insanity into [TS]

  comic book form and i would read it i [TS]

  would grab it and read it happily and i [TS]

  have read some alignment I've read a ton [TS]

  of insanity because it was in comic book [TS]

  form [TS]

  yeah but i remember when i was younger [TS]

  and we would be walking through airports [TS]

  and the hare krishna would come up and [TS]

  try and pick a flower on my dad and my [TS]

  dad would somehow like he would [TS]

  materialize a cricket bat out of his [TS]

  jacket and just like no get the fuck [TS]

  away from me hippie or what you know he [TS]

  would just like he would send those [TS]

  people packing and i remember at eight [TS]

  nine ten years old kind of wistful leave [TS]

  wishing that my dad would stop and [TS]

  engage them because I was very curious [TS]

  about them and my dad when he did engage [TS]

  people it was we learned a lot you know [TS]

  I learned a lot just by dad stopping and [TS]

  talking to people on the street so why [TS]

  wasn't he talking to these fascinating [TS]

  hairy Christmas in the airport who all [TS]

  they wanted to do was give him a free [TS]

  flour [TS]

  oh and he ok so serious that usually he [TS]

  would have a conversation you would [TS]

  learn something something smelled weird [TS]

  about this because he wasn't even given [TS]

  him the time of day he just didn't even [TS]

  want you just gave him he gave him the [TS]

  heisman and I was like you know my dad [TS]

  will stop and talk to anybody you know [TS]

  they're Heisman and a straight arm as [TS]

  right back to get through [TS]

  yeah that's good okay um you know he's [TS]

  like there would be people would walk up [TS]

  to us on the sidewalk all the time guys [TS]

  in in like deerstalker hats that had [TS]

  flowers all over their hat and they [TS]

  wanted to talk to my dad about some [TS]

  strange you know some like public policy [TS]

  in my dad sit and talk to him for 45 [TS]

  minutes but these guys with the top knot [TS]

  and and the row but the airport he [TS]

  doesn't want to talk so I made it a [TS]

  policy to always stop and talk to Harry [TS]

  Krishna's when I got to be 18 and was [TS]

  moving through airports on my own if [TS]

  somebody came up and tried to put a [TS]

  flower on me i would stop and talk to [TS]

  them about Harry krishna for a for [TS]

  enough time until they started to repeat [TS]

  themselves and I learned a lot about [TS]

  Harry krishna but then they all went [TS]

  away like they stopped being airports [TS]

  all of a sudden it just disappeared they [TS]

  just disappeared one day they were in [TS]

  every Airport ever [TS]

  we're and then I don't know what [TS]

  happened every fish nuts but it just [TS]

  hey professionals dimples hurt hurt [TS]

  their pickles for every fish nuts haha [TS]

  that's not Lou county especially my [TS]

  daughter is the one she thought it was [TS]

  hilarious [TS]

  what the hell she can't know anything [TS]

  about is no idea purpose for Harry [TS]

  fishing pole opus just off of some domak [TS]

  it's just he just misheard things so [TS]

  seriously [TS]

  well because early opus did that a lot [TS]

  earlier long-nosed opus before was [TS]

  really like a puffin yeah before he [TS]

  turned into fat nose opus when he was [TS]

  long nose opus he was always he was [TS]

  always garbling things what is the term [TS]

  of art for that the like a spoonerism [TS]

  more tourism and yeah but anyway so then [TS]

  then the her Christmas went away but the [TS]

  evangelical missionaries started to [TS]

  appear with their chick tracts and then [TS]

  you know the college college church [TS]

  people [TS]

  uh-huh and I would sit and talk to them [TS]

  for endless hours [TS]

  oh my goodness and part of it was I was [TS]

  genuinely curious and i genuinely wanted [TS]

  to get to the bottom of the logical [TS]

  proper their logical process like okay [TS]

  explain it explain that again like [TS]

  because I not being raised in a [TS]

  Christian tradition like I didn't even [TS]

  fully understand the transubstantiation [TS]

  of ground that's that doesn't even apply [TS]

  and even jealous ilysm but like I didn't [TS]

  get the logic of dying for someone [TS]

  else's sins even I mean that was all [TS]

  stuff that i needed explain to me and [TS]

  would sit and listen to it and and I [TS]

  wasn't really even debating I was just [TS]

  absorbing and I would sit legs crossed [TS]

  and also I didn't want to be rude but [TS]

  like I would I in an airport I would put [TS]

  my bag down and go sit over and it in [TS]

  set of chairs with them and they would [TS]

  get very excited because you know that's [TS]

  a problem they got a live one [TS]

  yeah that's right it's probably a [TS]

  thankless job and when they hook a [TS]

  bigmouth bass like me and sit down and [TS]

  start talking to him about that stuff [TS]

  it's we would i would have some lively [TS]

  conversations with some real well [TS]

  well many people and for a while I would [TS]

  time between 18 and 19 years old I [TS]

  walked around wondering about the [TS]

  process that i would have to undergo in [TS]

  order to in order to become an [TS]

  evangelical person because I also [TS]

  believed in magic or miracles or I [TS]

  believed in transformation I believed in [TS]

  epiphany and so I was very open multiple [TS]

  times in my life I've been very open to [TS]

  epiphany and island in the same way that [TS]

  you would try to conjure an orb try to [TS]

  conjure nor but her butt but very open [TS]

  to in in particular the possibility of [TS]

  Christian epiphany when I was walking [TS]

  across europe i was a don't know if I [TS]

  ever told you the story but i was [TS]

  walking along the danube outside of [TS]

  Vienna and i'm walking along the dike [TS]

  right the the Danube is diked for much [TS]

  of its length and so it's an enormous [TS]

  river and these are enormous dykes on [TS]

  either side and i'm walking on this dike [TS]

  and I hear this voice shout out [TS]

  launderer von der ER and I turn around [TS]

  and there's this little sort of a [TS]

  leprechaun who is resting in the shade [TS]

  of a of like am the utility box like a [TS]

  like a big metal some kind of water [TS]

  maintenance box and he stands up and he [TS]

  is he has almost a bindle wanna stick [TS]

  right he's got a he's got a he's got a [TS]

  little bag and got his little hiking [TS]

  boots and a long red beard and kind of [TS]

  longer share and he's not a very talk I [TS]

  five and a half feet tall and he comes [TS]

  over he starts hammering me in German [TS]

  and I'm like I don't speak German and he [TS]

  and he speaks some English and he says [TS]

  what are you doing you're clearly a [TS]

  wonderer I'd like I am a wanderer you [TS]

  are right sir you have you have you have [TS]

  identified me correctly and he said I [TS]

  too am a wanderer [TS]

  where are you going and I said I'm going [TS]

  at the time I wouldn't tell people I was [TS]

  going to Istanbul because i had a policy [TS]

  in my heart that you do not say you are [TS]

  walking to Istanbul because it's too [TS]

  crazy sounding and you'll never make it [TS]

  if you say you'll curse yourself but I [TS]

  said I'm walking to Romania and he said [TS]

  I am also walking to Romania let us walk [TS]

  together and for three days [TS]

  Bernard and I walked together toward [TS]

  romania and we walked into slovakia [TS]

  together and we walked into hungry [TS]

  together and Bernard was amazing meeting [TS]

  a wonderful man who had formerly owned [TS]

  he was a ship captain who had owned a [TS]

  Danube boat a longboat that transacted [TS]

  and he was from lengths in Austria and [TS]

  he was a boat captain on the Danny but [TS]

  he had given it all away [TS]

  given the boat away given his house away [TS]

  in order to go on a pilgrimage to [TS]

  Romania to discover what God had in [TS]

  store for him [TS]

  wow he was a one it was wonderful man [TS]

  and after three days of walking together [TS]

  i realized that i was honest I was on a [TS]

  journey to Romania and he was on a [TS]

  journey to Romania but those were [TS]

  separate journeys because Bernard like [TS]

  to camp burner did not understand not to [TS]

  camp in a mosquito blog but there are a [TS]

  lot of things Bernard was learning first [TS]

  and he was older than I was right he was [TS]

  10 years older than I was but he didn't [TS]

  know not to camp in a mosquito ballgame [TS]

  that was the thing that I have learned [TS]

  at a young age so we agreed at a certain [TS]

  point along the road [TS]

  let's meet up again you go your way I'll [TS]

  go mine but we'll rendezvous again in [TS]

  Romania [TS]

  and he left he wrote likes a little map [TS]

  on a on the back of a business card and [TS]

  said when you get to Romania follow this [TS]

  map anyway I'm got it's a long story i'm [TS]

  giving away too much but I did run away [TS]

  with him in Romania and we went on a [TS]

  pilgrimage a romanian orthodox [TS]

  pilgrimage to a to a place in [TS]

  Transylvania where there was an icon of [TS]

  the Virgin who had the icon had appeared [TS]

  magically on a mountaintop it was not it [TS]

  was not painted by a by a living person [TS]

  it appeared and the Romanians built a [TS]

  church around it because it commanded [TS]

  them to and now the icon hung in the [TS]

  church and people came on a pilgrimage [TS]

  to this place and they walked around the [TS]

  church i'm sorry they crawled around the [TS]

  church on their hands and knees like [TS]

  hundreds and hundreds of times it was [TS]

  part of the pilgrimage that you get [TS]

  there and then you crawl around this [TS]

  church on your hands and knees until [TS]

  your hands and knees are bloody because [TS]

  the icon commanded it somehow and not so [TS]

  I went on this Adventure and I was so I [TS]

  was so vulnerable at that moment in my [TS]

  life and susceptible in that moment of [TS]

  my life that I that I was like okay [TS]

  God you work in miraculous ways and I am [TS]

  utterly open to the possibility that [TS]

  this which seems bananas is a is [TS]

  potentially a doorway to you that I [TS]

  hadn't considered before [TS]

  not that i am not that i believe that [TS]

  this icon appeared on a mountaintop but [TS]

  that this is clearly animating people [TS]

  your spirit is clearly animating people [TS]

  here to do these remarkable things what [TS]

  seem remarkable to me [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  I am newly awakened to you like ready [TS]

  ready for the lightning bolt and anna [TS]

  and i know that they're been there have [TS]

  been hundreds of thousands of bees in [TS]

  history who stand on a on a windswept [TS]

  mount up and say I'm ready for the [TS]

  lightning bolt God and God rarely [TS]

  produces lightning bolts in those [TS]

  situations that's not how many rolls [TS]

  it's not how he rolls he does not burn [TS]

  bushes for everybody right uh-huh [TS]

  but over the years I have suspended [TS]

  disbelief multiple times and said i [TS]

  believe in epiphany and and like let it [TS]

  roll and it and not even like God you [TS]

  have until noon tomorrow to hit me with [TS]

  with some bells like not at all i'm like [TS]

  i'm just here i am an empty vessel and [TS]

  so yeah that that was a that was [TS]

  probably the most recent time [TS]

  well and you you're justyou're you're [TS]

  there and you're available I was there [TS]

  and I was available and Bernard was very [TS]

  available we neither of us had an [TS]

  epiphany but Bernard after i left [TS]

  Romania Bernard state and he fell in [TS]

  love with the romanian girl and he [TS]

  started some kind of church himself [TS]

  ok where the doctors at church to the [TS]

  like was it from Malaga a ground-up you [TS]

  know like an edifice or without [TS]

  technology [TS]

  I thought technology Bernard was very [TS]

  interested in helping people and he got [TS]

  into he developed a practice of helping [TS]

  people he went back to arad which is [TS]

  close to timish wara and he started a [TS]

  group of [TS]

  they started to help group which morphed [TS]

  into a kind of church like edifice [TS]

  notnot building but like it like a [TS]

  thought edifice and now i'm not sure [TS]

  exactly what the doctrine of his group [TS]

  is my Romanian is pretty rusty [TS]

  yeah but it does have a it does have a [TS]

  complete up like a like a turn the [TS]

  loaves and two fishes quality to it i [TS]

  mean there's something to ecstatic [TS]

  Christianity though it's a little bit [TS]

  like punk rock where it's one thing to [TS]

  really like somebody else's band but you [TS]

  but you ultimately really want to start [TS]

  your own people idea [TS]

  mhm like you want that to be your [TS]

  ecstasy and exactly and and and the and [TS]

  because he has a sort of Central [TS]

  European you know central Eastern [TS]

  European take on things but he is [TS]

  Austrian ultimately let that let that [TS]

  sink in his ecstatic is exactly the word [TS]

  he is his new church that he runs with [TS]

  his wife which is also like a feed the [TS]

  people kind of organization like i don't [TS]

  know i don't know what what they're [TS]

  doing and he occasionally reaches out to [TS]

  me and says send us american money [TS]

  because we are building a pump to pump [TS]

  Satan out of the water or something and [TS]

  i go i bernard I could send you fifty [TS]

  dollars American that would help you [TS]

  build that pump but I'm temp I'm timid [TS]

  about that i want to i want to continue [TS]

  let me continue the conversation we've [TS]

  been having for 15 years about about God [TS]

  but I don't know if I'm ready to invest [TS]

  in pump [TS]

  yeah I'm sure you do the same for you [TS]

  well that's you know the kind of person [TS]

  last report money but you know just [TS]

  saying maybe one way street [TS]

  well that's the thing with me what we [TS]

  are we we are people of resource [TS]

  here in America but I up money we don't [TS]

  have as much Satan in the water here [TS]

  that's more good point or if we do it's [TS]

  being filtered somewhere way upstream by [TS]

  the municipality just in front [TS]

  yeah so I don't know did were you ever [TS]

  were you ever like how vulnerable were [TS]

  you toward not vulnerable but that that [TS]

  implies a that implies some predation [TS]

  but like how how open were you to be [TS]

  evangelized well I talked about this in [TS]

  other places but I was a very devout add [TS]

  a couple times in my life but that's not [TS]

  even the part that interests me as much [TS]

  right here [TS]

  I mean we have to talk about that talked [TS]

  about a lot on some other shit but what [TS]

  are these other shows are you getting on [TS]

  with you on your podcast for living John [TS]

  you into you are on other podcasts [TS]

  besides the show [TS]

  turns out and so here's the thing i [TS]

  think is interesting now and as is that [TS]

  it does eh i wonder how many people come [TS]

  to religion or faith that the strongest [TS]

  point in their life because I i have a [TS]

  feeling i mean feel free to answer my [TS]

  guess is not at night so many I think [TS]

  they come to religion at that the less [TS]

  strong points in their life you know [TS]

  people don't don't go out and learn [TS]

  self-defense when they're winning a lot [TS]

  of fights and people aren't looking for [TS]

  an answer to life's giant questions when [TS]

  everything is going their way and [TS]

  everything's coming up milhouse so you [TS]

  know it's interesting to me though how [TS]

  and you know no matter what you say [TS]

  about religion you're going to yell that [TS]

  I in the last two weeks I've I've I've [TS]

  said things that are that are a fairly [TS]

  strong defense of people of faith and I [TS]

  got yelled at about that last week we [TS]

  said I thought I bracketed it really [TS]

  carefully to say I'm not really talking [TS]

  about religion a really good [TS]

  relationship i'm talking about really [TS]

  just traditions in the past still there [TS]

  wasn't sure because you enjoy religion [TS]

  now let's not what I said but in this [TS]

  instance I think it's interesting how at [TS]

  the time when you are most open to the [TS]

  idea of faith it's also because little [TS]

  bit desperate because you're kind of [TS]

  like sitting there waiting for God to [TS]

  call you're waiting for the thundering [TS]

  and you're going mhm I sure would love [TS]

  to know that this thing that I'm hoping [TS]

  turns out the way I want to go that way [TS]

  that becomes extend to like I hope [TS]

  somebody's list [TS]

  something I hope there's something out [TS]

  there because I've got this days and for [TS]

  the state to really work you know [TS]

  come on do something said bush on fire [TS]

  or something [TS]

  it's just interesting though because [TS]

  like uh if god were listening and God [TS]

  would probably unlikely to do that [TS]

  because then it would really be faith [TS]

  anymore now it's a magic show right [TS]

  magical the problem is like you know it [TS]

  isn't like you're having your greatest [TS]

  moment of scientific introspection and [TS]

  asking for a lightning bolt to prove [TS]

  that you're doing science right that [TS]

  would make sense but just in the same [TS]

  way I don't know how much sense it makes [TS]

  to it and I mean it makes sense I've [TS]

  done it I've gone like I've done that [TS]

  whole like cartoon character think about [TS]

  going like I will be the most devout [TS]

  follower in the world as long as you let [TS]

  me win this contest or whatever so I [TS]

  don't know I i do think it's interesting [TS]

  now the the state of mind that brings [TS]

  people to an act of faith or it's a leap [TS]

  of faith is a term of art but what [TS]

  brings you to like being open and [TS]

  vulnerable [TS]

  however you are you know however you [TS]

  want to think of it and then like what [TS]

  keeps you there if things stay the same [TS]

  or do in fact get better right [TS]

  I don't know I don't know I think it's [TS]

  very interesting because i think almost [TS]

  everybody if they were honest with [TS]

  themselves would admit at some point [TS]

  they felt desperate enough about [TS]

  something to ask whatever to just make [TS]

  it better for ya go away I think anybody [TS]

  who doesn't say that either has had a [TS]

  very fortunate life for his lying [TS]

  because we've all done it [TS]

  did you ever read more are you familiar [TS]

  with the book a walk across America know [TS]

  so somebody gave that book to me back in [TS]

  the old blue highways zen and the art of [TS]

  motorcycle maintenance days when i was [TS]

  doing a lot of cross country traveling [TS]

  you know the freight hopping and the [TS]

  hitchhiking and so forth and so there's [TS]

  this subculture of books about traveling [TS]

  across America as a young open-minded [TS]

  vagabond and a walk across America is [TS]

  one of those books and I i would say it [TS]

  was hungry for it because it was because [TS]

  I you know I was doing this searching [TS]

  traveling and this was even a dimension [TS]

  beyond write like this guy wasn't [TS]

  popping phrase across America he was [TS]

  fucking walking across [TS]

  America am I and I and I and I think [TS]

  that this planted a seed in me that many [TS]

  years later produced my walk across [TS]

  Europe but this guy started in New [TS]

  England somewhere east coast and he was [TS]

  a young hippie and he didn't know what [TS]

  was going on in the world and couldn't [TS]

  make sense of it also he and his [TS]

  Siberian Husky we're gonna walk together [TS]

  across America and he was a he was a [TS]

  pretty like son [TS]

  sunny disposition person and he started [TS]

  to walk across America and rather than [TS]

  head west which is what you are what you [TS]

  should do if you're gonna walk across [TS]

  America he headed south because he was [TS]

  gonna walk through the south and then [TS]

  turn and walk across America which is [TS]

  like okay whatever you know you you you [TS]

  make your paths [TS]

  I'll make mine and he walked down to [TS]

  Appalachia and the first half of the [TS]

  book is very interesting in that it's I [TS]

  think I think contemporary readers would [TS]

  feel like he was he had a colonialist [TS]

  mindset and had not checked his [TS]

  privilege but at the time he was just a [TS]

  young white guy who was walking through [TS]

  the poor south which was still has a [TS]

  separate Island from the rest of America [TS]

  like a lot of undiscovered world down [TS]

  there [TS]

  sure and he was having all these [TS]

  experiences where he's being taken into [TS]

  people's homes and it's just a tarpaper [TS]

  Shack but they give him hospitality like [TS]

  he's never had before and he's marveling [TS]

  at the at how wonderful people are and [TS]

  this is in the at a time when there's a [TS]

  lot of unrest in our country and a lot [TS]

  of racial tension in our country but he [TS]

  sees that everyone is wonderful and [TS]

  beautiful and so forth and i'm reading [TS]

  this book and at the time right I'm I'm [TS]

  18 and I'm traveling [TS]

  and so it's very compelling to me not [TS]

  his experiences but the possibility of [TS]

  of having similar experiences myself but [TS]

  about three quarters of the way through [TS]

  the book he's still in Appalachia [TS]

  somewhere and I'm as a reader I'm saying [TS]

  you know this is a 400-page book more on [TS]

  page three hundred he's he's only in [TS]

  Virginia is he gonna walk really fast [TS]

  across the rest of America how is he [TS]

  going to get across America in 100 pages [TS]

  not only right right [TS]

  he's only been 25 states and so what [TS]

  happens to him as he gets down into the [TS]

  south and he has met all these southern [TS]

  people who he perceives to be much more [TS]

  genuine and authentic than his dumb [TS]

  middle-class white neighbors from New [TS]

  Hampshire wherever he's from [TS]

  he's had that experience that a lot of [TS]

  young people do in their first traveling [TS]

  where there is like wait a minute [TS]

  these poor people are fun and beautiful [TS]

  what was I you know like the world is [TS]

  all upside down right but then he's [TS]

  sitting in a church somewhere with his [TS]

  with the with this friends that have [TS]

  been helping him up on his trip he goes [TS]

  to church with them and a light comes in [TS]

  the stained-glass window and hits him [TS]

  and he has a conversion experience and [TS]

  no I it's I think it's even in a tent i [TS]

  think it a light comes in through a [TS]

  plastic stained glass window in a tent [TS]

  and he has a tent revival conversion and [TS]

  becomes a passionate evangelical and [TS]

  what's amazing about this book is he [TS]

  never referred to religion in the first [TS]

  three quarters of the book or barely did [TS]

  and at one point is dog dies and he's [TS]

  very sad and now he's now is confronted [TS]

  with the idea of [TS]

  walking across America all by himself [TS]

  without even the companionship of his [TS]

  dog and then the the light hits him and [TS]

  the book ends a book called a walk [TS]

  across America ends with him in Georgia [TS]

  that's strange having been hit by the [TS]

  lightning bolt and then he decides that [TS]

  he is he's with the geez now huh and [TS]

  turns out that's what he was looking for [TS]

  the end it seems unsatisfying on many [TS]

  levels it was deeply unsatisfying I felt [TS]

  totally betrayed by this book but but he [TS]

  became kind of a that then he continued [TS]

  his walk across America in subsequent [TS]

  book or books but now spread the word [TS]

  now he was spreading the word now he was [TS]

  spreading the gospel and and I don't [TS]

  think that those books old as well or [TS]

  maybe maybe they sold millions but only [TS]

  in christian bookstores right but that [TS]

  was you know he had the added experience [TS]

  that I I felt like maybe I was a little [TS]

  less credulous but but there were many [TS]

  many many many many hours out on the [TS]

  trail where if a snake had talked to me [TS]

  I i would have said you are false god [TS]

  snake [TS]

  I will not eat that Apple i am i'm in [TS]

  service of something higher but I think [TS]

  God decided that I he didn't need me he [TS]

  was looking for out he was looking for [TS]

  people with other skills good we're good [TS]

  thanks [TS]

  haha he was looking for people that [TS]

  understood [TS]

  SEO optimization john i'm going to keep [TS]

  your resume on file here if anything [TS]

  comes up we'll gosh which will be sure [TS]

  to let me leave your number with [TS]

  whatever doesn't wanna a but he did the [TS]

  Lord stands and kind of an awkward [TS]

  moment generally kind of gesturing [TS]

  toward the [TS]

  blowing door haha handshakes handshakes [TS]

  all around the option of yourself to [TS]

  free water as soon as everybody shaking [TS]

  hands there's a palpable sense of relief [TS]

  like okay alright interviews so so what [TS]

  do you think is your biggest weakness [TS]

  God doesn't like me [TS]

  mm well boy that's rough [TS]

  imagine that can interviewed by the geez [TS]

  that's rough [TS]

  well getting interviewed by the jesus [TS]

  and like the Jesus who feels he feels in [TS]

  the popular culture like he's [TS]

  represented as somebody who is very [TS]

  hungry for volunteers looking for people [TS]

  with a wide set of skills and I would [TS]

  seem to be somebody that you know i have [TS]

  a big a big voice who I like to talk to [TS]

  people i can even convince people of [TS]

  some pretty you know some pretty [TS]

  questionable your fast learner [TS]

  self-starter you know you can self [TS]

  motivate you would think he would say [TS]

  you know what you are exactly the kind [TS]

  of people were looking for to expand [TS]

  this franchise expanding expanding the [TS]

  base I mean you're not the typical the [TS]

  employee like you you're you're you know [TS]

  I think you would you would bring a lot [TS]

  of interesting new people [TS]

  that's a discussion that's exactly right [TS]

  i have the connections I you know I'm I [TS]

  people might say I've tried this [TS]

  I've tried the hamburger over there and [TS]

  it i didn't find it to my liking but boy [TS]

  if you if you say it's a good hamburger [TS]

  huh huh maybe i'll give it another try [TS]

  but in fact no in fact I I screwed up [TS]

  the interview somehow managed to shame [TS]

  maybe I maybe I I you know what it was [TS]

  they gave me that thing they gave me [TS]

  that exam if you see an employee [TS]

  stealing paper clips you a tell your [TS]

  manager he ignore it because it's just [TS]

  paper clips see still paper clips [TS]

  yourself d call the police and I didn't [TS]

  I didn't [TS]

  not one of those was what i would do and [TS]

  so I you know I just picked the closest [TS]

  thing but I feel like I'm feel like I [TS]

  came by whatever it was I that the test [TS]

  indicated about me it wasn't what they [TS]

  were like a question like that it's all [TS]

  i can do that just go really just [TS]

  fucking what do you want to know like [TS]

  what are you what are you trying to [TS]

  trick me into saying at this point am I [TS]

  supposed to come up with you the actual [TS]

  answers either man innovate or am I [TS]

  supposed to like check your grammar on I [TS]

  hate it when i get home work for my kids [TS]

  school that has grammatical errors it [TS]

  just sends me down down a an emotional [TS]

  flight of stairs [TS]

  you're telling me people at your [TS]

  daughter's school send you stuff home [TS]

  and it has grammatical errors [TS]

  my wife and I disagree on this I think [TS]

  they get a lot of stuff off the internet [TS]

  and just print it so it's not like the [TS]

  other day my daughter is about to start [TS]

  homework and you know the type of graph [TS]

  goal mark where you do a two-handed [TS]

  arrow to say switch these words around [TS]

  who she had already copy-edited that my [TS]

  daughter a seven-year-old daughter got a [TS]

  typo in headline and fixed it [TS]

  haha like that'll do pig that'll that'll [TS]

  do [TS]

  yeah yeah I can't get my kids read the [TS]

  instructions [TS]

  I'm a big instruction reader I'm a [TS]

  manual reader i will never play i was [TS]

  very rarely play a game even my plate [TS]

  before without going back and reading [TS]

  the instructions i forgot i told us [TS]

  about a year ago when i was playing [TS]

  chess with my kid i forgot about all [TS]

  kinds of shit with Chester forgot about [TS]

  our Poisson I forgot about you no [TS]

  queening i forgot about the the rookie [TS]

  move i forgot all that stuff then play [TS]

  chess and I was a kid and we don't you [TS]

  know all that stuff by those names at [TS]

  the time [TS]

  well I mean I knew when you play chess [TS]

  with anybody who plays chess they [TS]

  eventually tell you this stuff after [TS]

  they give this was true and they go and [TS]

  they do the trick on you know you hate [TS]

  how do you move your castle with your [TS]

  dude how'd you do that you go [TS]

  it's called the the rocks which or [TS]

  whatever captain said castling cooking [TS]

  these are some things you get a [TS]

  whorehouse you get together looking get [TS]

  a good look and you get an office on i'd [TS]

  like i'd like to get castle [TS]

  it's called docking [TS]

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