Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► hello hi John [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► I burlwood how's it going Oh fine I'm [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► I'm just fighting a thing i'm fighting [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► of an interior thing [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► no now the this sometimes those are the [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► most difficult things to fight [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► mhm know you're getting ill well you [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► know I haven't had been getting ill [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► lately and I'm but I'm gonna stick with [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► that you know I have a good friend that [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► that the claims that she never get sick [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► and and when I have personally witnessed [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► her being sick she denies that she's [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► sick and that's such a that such a flip [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► from most people or I don't know from a [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► lot of people who are always getting [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► sick when they're not she never gets [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► sick when she is and I've started to [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► kind of adopt that mentality I'm not [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► sick I don't get sick i'm actually [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► pretty interested in that because I have [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► met people like this and I it's hard to [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► tell whether it works or not it's one of [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► those things like you know scared the [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► alligators away but enlightened I've met [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► people who seem they're so fixed in [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► their insistence that they aren't sick [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► and don't get sick [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► yeah that they sometimes seem to [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► actually beat it back and I wonder if [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► that works [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► I wonder that when i'm talking about the [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► corollary the corollary is we constantly [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► think you're getting sick and you do get [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► sick now I believe that can be a thing [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► that happened that used to happen to me [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► all the time remember when I would come [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► on this program might be sick all the [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► time used to be sick of it too [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► I was sick all the time and now I'm [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► chasing the alligator away is what is [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► what we're basically saying so so that's [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► happening i feel a SI feel some [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► sensations which are not sickness [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► sensations but we're just simply my body [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► telling me that I'm alive and that [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► foreign agents are lurking there lurking [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► around the the the dark corners of the [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► city of my lungs and nose and I'm not [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► going to allow them i'm gonna it's [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► basically going to be a a [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► counter-insurgency on the part of my [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► white [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► it sells another other things that I [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► don't understand [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► so it's a counter insurgency against [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► against the attack on your dark city [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► that's right ok well who can talk about [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► this in a while but there's always I [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► think we're leaving [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► I feel like we've left the door open to [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► the idea that in first of all let's take [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► it as read there's probably other stuff [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► out there in the universe you know right [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► there are some people who say well [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► obviously there's nothing else out there [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► in the universe are they already would [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► be here I don't have the logical skills [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► to say whether that makes any sense [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► I think we can also probably agree that [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► if there are people coming here they're [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► people listen to me right people [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► sure people right why this is a product [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► being stop being so safety and central [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► normative yeah yeah it's like Star Trek [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► you know you like a regular person but [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► they put some makeup on you i mean it's [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► green it up in some weird here's exactly [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► well I think we can agree that you would [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► probably be the emissary that seems [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► clear [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► so what if it's not somebody in a shiny [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► lemay cape and a green face [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► what if what if you are being reached [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► one of your dark city is being contacted [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► by these very attackers that you now [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► seek to repeal uh-huh so I'm saying what [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► if i'm not saying you should do this you [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► probably very busy right now but like [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► what if you opened yourself to the idea [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► that could be some kind of a beatific [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► experience happening here that's not [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► about illness it reads illness because [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► you know you've never been an emissary [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► as far as we know actually for what if [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► they're they're out there they're [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► knocking on the door they say junk we [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► come in [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► yeah sure they're saying this is how we [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► make contact this is how we we want to [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► commune with you and right now your body [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► is having up you know some kind of [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► fairly profound reaction but it's just [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► that your body doesn't know how to [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► interpret interstellar oh absolutely i [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► mean if it was one of its norm of benign [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► galactic toxoplasmosis where first they [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► need to plant they need to plant some [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► ideas lets you sit around those ideas [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► for six weeks before they go to the next [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► stage [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► sure take a look at the star man to play [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► with his ding-dong wrong song [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► long and yet these lyrics work em and [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► then I go on the floor show [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► no I feel like that is that's why I [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► almost that's maybe my favorite David [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► Boies on [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► yeah I'm i feel like it may be a star [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► man playing with his ding-dong [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► oh I'm what i want what i actually just [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► look at the actual lyric for later on [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► take a look at the Starman playing with [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► his ding-dong [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► oh man look at that ding dong Garland [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► and then the perpendicular show so is [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► there life in John mind and his nasal [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► cavity [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► I what I want is again I want two more [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► attacks on our fathers have you been [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► watching it [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► no you know i watch i don't wanna watch [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► the weird one [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► oh yeah what's the I don't want to watch [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► the weird one especially not the later [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► weird was only seven hours long john at [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► seven hours long and it and it involves [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► a conspiracy to kill the pope and I [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► don't want to hear it [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► no no no no they don't include that one [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► it's seven hours that right first two [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► movies yeah but your flight I think the [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► point [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► oh yeah I don't want to see I don't [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► wanna see robert de niro appear halfway [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► through the film [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► yea Lord the beginning of the film what [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► am I trying to say i don't even [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► understand it you know you're the first [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► 1i saw your first concern you don't want [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► my coming on that bathroom with his dick [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► in his hand [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► that's right the first one I saw in 1977 [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► or whatever they sat me down in front of [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► the television the same way in fifth [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► grade they handed me tale of two cities [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► and said you're a smart kid [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► here read tale of two cities it was like [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► a ok and then and it was one of it was [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► like it was like they was like a dare [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► write it was like oh you're a smart kid [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► go for it read tale of two cities and i [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► was like i'm sure i've never heard of [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► the French Revolution but yes all right [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► I can do this and I'd and I did it like [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► like like you would say here could climb [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► the climb this ladder did it was like [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► eating your piece you did the whole [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► thing i did the whole thing that I had [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► and had no actual comprehension of what [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► I was doing but when they asked me about [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► i'm talking about the people in schools [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► yeah when they when they require that i [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► read a book report about it because [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► because they didn't because obviously I [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► wasn't going to read watership down our [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► with the rest of the class right and i [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► read it already too sad [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► so they were like oh you know here's it [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► this is what we this is the Honors [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► Program read moby-dick image of those [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► things I just those things and then I [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► was required to to report to them report [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► to adults who who my I even at the time [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► I thought had not read those books and I [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► didn't know what I had read but I gave a [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► good you know i gave a good game [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► the problem was that that because it was [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► a dare I couldn't say that I didn't get [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► them because then the adults would be [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► disappointed in me and then I wouldn't [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► be a genius so what's the worst of times [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► and the worst of times that's right you [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► know he says he can't win you can't win [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► against who wrote that [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► yeah the dickens wrote Taylor two cities [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► and then he also wrote Moby Dick [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► it's a it's it all it all tells the same [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► story but basically a white whale fights [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► a revolution [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► uh-huh against a like some kind of Sun [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► King right that was later turned into [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► the the plane name is Rob hmm that's [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► right exactly what lame is rob and and [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► then there are helicopters that come [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► down and there's some kind of Vietnam [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► and like allegory where he goes up a [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► river so it's it's this little King goes [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► up a river find a white whale yep [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► battles with himself chasing for the [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► rest of his life whales like you can [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► never change and in any case the first [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► time I saw the Godfather i was i was so [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► I was saturday down in front of a [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► television an enormous television that [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► also had a record player in it and [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► people said this is an important film [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► and you need to watch it and then they [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► left right they didn't want to watch it [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► they went upstairs on that's right to [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► tip you off [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► yeah yeah and they're like this is for [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► you now you are we are we are we are [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► punching your card we are giving you an [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► adult ID and it involves watching the [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► godfather so i sat in front of it again [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► on comprehending wanting to watch happy [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► days [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► wanting to be a normal kid forced to [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► watch this in this long confusing [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► slow-moving a film where they had edited [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► out all the parts where people died for [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► all the all the blood and guts huh so [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► it's just what is this montage with the [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► with the baptism of the baby and then [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► people walking in and out of barbershops [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► you know what's at emergency haircuts [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► the tonka I don't get this at all man [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► and i'm not going to use revolving doors [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► anymore so I that's right i'm never [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► gonna come down the steps of a federal [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► courthouse every time I get to make it [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► every time [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► Oh somebody's writing a ticket I'm [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► getting out of here get out so yeah so I [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► was miserable and then later later on I [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► I don't even remember how I reintroduce [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► myself to it but maybe it was I get [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► tired of middle-aged men making [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► references i didn't understand [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► yeah and you know now of course I've [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► seen a 25 times also you know movies [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► movies used to be shorter interesting i [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► think the deer hunter disproves that [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► well but before the nineteen seventies I [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► mean oh I see what you're saying [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► what did you know it's funny thing about [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► this there's so much that comes washing [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► over me now that I still love movies and [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► have a kid and I like watching movies [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► but like there's there's so much to [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► think about where like and I actually [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► like it was asking me about she's [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► looking for maximum posters yesterday [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► and saying what is the comics code [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► how could she miss your excellent [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► posters from have five of them here in [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► the office and choosing what is the [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► comics code she's seen this on old [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► comics and I did the best I could with [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► my meager understanding of it to say [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► well you know there is this before i was [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► born there was a controversy kind of [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► built up out of almost nothing about how [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► basically comic books were damaging kids [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► I couldn't tell her all the things that [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► you know they were worried about you [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► know there's a sexy things but I said [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► like for example you could have zombies [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► in comic books anymore was one of the [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► things there's some kind of this part of [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► the comics code [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► well there's this book that came out of [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► the name is Casey there's a book that [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► came out in the mid-fifties by this this [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► demagogue who basically was saying the [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► comics are destroying our children [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► and.and mainly i think going after or [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► sort of email there's a time when war [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► comics and especially crime comics were [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► popular but another huge onra was like [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► the tales of the crypts at the ec comics [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► those wonderful nomics about you know [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► gory stuff you know I loved those those [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► are fans those are those first of all [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► they're beautiful they still stand the [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► test of time they look fantastic but no [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► comments code was a way of saying it was [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► kind of like the PMRC in the eighties [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► when they said look either you can let [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► us do this and will just shut you down [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► or you can find some way to placate us [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► by uh you know patrolling yourselves and [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► so there was this i'll try to find it [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► send it to you later but there is this [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► you know crazy listing stuff he just [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► couldn't do in comics anymore including [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► things like I want to say like [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► challenging Authority they're worth over [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► like you couldn't you couldn't do stuff [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► like you couldn't I think you weren't [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► allowed to insult heads of state and [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► things like that there's all this crazy [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► one of those like omnibus bills kind of [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► things and it you know it's what make [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► comics kind of lame for a while and it [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► wasn't until the seventies that really [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► got kind of brushed away [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► do you remember anymore now that i think [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► about that it seems like whenever a [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► president or a you know exactly as you [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► say a head of state or even that even [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► like ahead of business showed up in a [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► comic it was always it was always like [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► sort of a weird hero that didn't that [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► you wish would go away as fast as he [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► could like hey its president reagan [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► hello there Superman usually usually [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► pretty clunky I think there's an [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► Avengers with david letterman in it was [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► pretty weird [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► uh-huh under the Avengers but there was [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► definitely kind of course famously [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► captain america who was always punching [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► Hitler in the face that was kinda cool i [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► guess that would you could get a pass on [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► punching her in the face I mean then [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► Quentin Tarantino really really took [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► that all the way he reinterpreted with [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► that japanese girls with swords hear ya [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► to ya cut off Hitler but but that my [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► favorite got go ahead not only concern [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► was that the bridge here is that there [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► was a time where i guess it was believed [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► that in certain kinds of media you had [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► to create media that would be utterly in [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► offensive to anyone including like that [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► toddler this before the idea of like the [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► rating system came along in movies and [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► so you know there would be this you know [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► double entendre and stuff like that but [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► you could go to a movie theater and with [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► your kid and see pretty much any movie [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► it might not be interesting to that [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► child but there would be nothing in it [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► that was you know horrific that wasn't [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► until whatever was a mini cowboy was the [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► first x-rated famous x-rated film the [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► the rating system came along I think in [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► the late sixties and with similar [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► concerns you know do you know do you [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► know that my mom now that you're saying [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► this my mom sent me down again right [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► about the time of the right about the [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► time they're forcing me to read [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► moby-dick and watch the godfather this [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► she said she was watching a film with me [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► and she said that right there is a code [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► for them having sex haha like leaned [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► over and said that and I was like what [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► what how what like she's on the floor or [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► something i had missed it and it was was [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► uh you know it was like for some from [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► here to eternity movie where they they [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► were kissing and then the camera turns [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► away camera panned away and there was [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► there were waves washing on the beach [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► right or it was or you know that the [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► camera panned away and it was a [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► locomotive going into a tunnel or [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► whatever it was and it was a man making [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► a ring with his left hand and putting [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► the forefinger from his right hand into [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► it and out of it repeatedly and and I [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► and as a you know as an eight-year-old I [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► hadn't gotten it [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► I thought that they were I thought that [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► they liked each other very much our [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► kissing and then it would then we were [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► segue into another scene and my mom was [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► like that's a code for having sex and I [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► was embarrassed of course we're because [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► whenever anybody talks about sex that [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► was embarrassing yes but i was curious [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► about it right like what is this what is [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► this code it's a and so somehow we got [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► into a conversation about and I think it [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► was that she probably brought it up [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► again and said look in movies when [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► people are having sex they can't make an [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► over reference to it so there are all [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► these ways hear you're nine ten eleven [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► at this point however i'd say 80 [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► my hand and so then i was i was curious [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► about every aspect of that but people [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► having sex first of all and then you [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► know what she's like they can't show [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► tongue kissing you ever notice that they [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► go in and they had their very [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► passionately kissing but it's kind of [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► like it's kind of like that seen a kind [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► of like something from animal house [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► where the guy puts his hand up over her [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► mouth and starts passionately kissing [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► the back of his hand [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► yeah like the passionate kisses are are [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► are still very chasing she chased and [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► she she was like that's not how people [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► actually kiss when they're about to make [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► love that is fake be ready at this point [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► yeah because that's that is in the [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► movies and I'm like how do people [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► actually kiss and she's like well they [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► slobber all over each other their [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► tongues and it's been there and snot is [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► coming out of her nose it's really [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► horrific i was like ok all right ok [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► because you know my mom a my parents [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► were married anymore and be uh they both [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► kept their affection for their friends [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► if you will completely out of public eye [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► right if my mom was kissing someone and [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► I walked in the room the kissing stopped [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► and everyone you know everyone clasp [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► their hands in their laps and said so [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► anyway we're talking about Moby Dick [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► uh-huh and so I never said I didn't [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► really see it you know it was the [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► seventies people were slobbering over [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► each other big big ways but i didn't i [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► didn't have a lot of first-hand exposure [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► to it so it's like what are they but [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► people do what now a train goes into a [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► tunnel [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► yeah i mean i understood that the the [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► mathematics of sex but i think those [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► codes really did a job on us it's like [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► we never see dead bodies i mean the [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► movies we do but we never see him in [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► person right [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► um yeah i've been at last few months I [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► guess I've been really struggling with [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► this with my kid because she [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► Shh I wish she had a chance to to be [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► interviewed about her understanding of [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► these things i think i'll be extremely [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► interesting very very different from the [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► understanding of an eight-year-old in [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► the 50 60 70 is a tease i bet it's [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► different in every era with him i'm [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► willing to conduct those interviews if [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► you want to fund [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► let's go on that yeah i would need me to [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► get a grant from the robert wood johnson [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► foundation to help out but you know but [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► you know if you think about again think [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► about in the eighties when or if I'm [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► asking about the seventies think about [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► how much that's basically all i do I you [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► know I know but think about how much [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► like straight-up murder was on TV oh [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► yeah right there was a lot of Kodiak on [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► Kojak Chicago bang you start thinking a [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► lot about like all there was there so [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► much just people getting killed on TV [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► and so you know the conventional wisdom [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► over the years became that you know [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► Europeans thinks think it's so weird [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► that we have so much murder on TV and so [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► little like genuine like affectionate [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► sex and the kind of vice versa so we get [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► one of those British imports where [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► there's no shooting booby since like you [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► know you know how Britannia sure but no [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► no never let the little bit let carry on [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► Benny Hill but at the reason I say that [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► is that i don't see too much here but [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► you know my ear but for example like [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► there are times when you need a bridge [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► to explain something about what's going [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► on in the past like we were the camera [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► pans away and it shows us a train tunnel [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► a man doing this at this finger [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► no it's a picture of a bridge camera [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► pans away and it's like oh this is this [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► is a real segue it's actually a bridge [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► the first time that's actually that's [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► part of the movie honey of the first [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► time I ever said this I already knew i [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► was going down a path that I would have [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► to walk back at some point but at the [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► the term became kissing like okay so [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► that's you know and that could be a way [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► of explaining that one yeah here's what [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► it means to be gay what it means to be [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► gay is that you like kissing people that [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► the same gender is you and like she's [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► ridiculously open-minded about that like [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► it's really cool like she thinks it's [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► really weird that you're not allowed to [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► do what you want with who you want but [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► you know kissing so but at some point at [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► some point soon [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► that's going to start really breaking [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► down as the way of explaining this this [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► as a shorthand heuristic this whole [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► class of things that are actually much [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► beyond [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► kissing mmm raise your leg yeah and so [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► it will be watching something that's a [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► little bit you know PG pg-13 and and it [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► it really pushes the bounds of my [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► analogy or my metonymy i guess for [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► explaining what's happening so I'm not [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► looking forward to the day where i am [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► not worried so much about having to [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► explain the actual real-world mechanics [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► but like we're going to go rewatch a lot [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► of things and go that really wasn't [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► kissing one yeah i'm gonna start i'm [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► gonna start referring to sex as beyond [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► kissing and I think that that's gonna [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► actually improve my life and a lot of [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► ways just be like are you how are we [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► ready [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► I love you I'm when it's like looking at [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► a pretty terrible time for the ratings [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► the mpaa rating system at this point [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► because she wasn't talking about movies [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► anymore i was just talking about in my [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► personal life although i think it's a [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► terrific idea would you like to go [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► beyond kissing with me or just hurt just [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► yes you started kissing the back your [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► hand like I show you what i'm doing is [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► going back throughout my entire life and [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► inserting beyond kissing into every [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► instance where I've used the word sex [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► and I i like my life better now [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► mmm retro actively and i would love to [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► have some beyond kissing with he that is [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► how I'm going to remember my life I [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► would like to go back for a second into [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► this podcast and comment that the [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► earlier just a few moments ago you and I [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► both said you go ahead simultaneously [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► yeah and I don't think that's ever [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► happened before I think that was the [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► first time it happened probably three [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► times [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► no no really you go ahead I don't want [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► to interrupt your man interrupted by [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► nature and I try not to do that on this [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► show but i but I feel like I feel like [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► it's the first time we both ever said [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► you can get the same time you go ahead [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► no you go ahead but we didn't but it was [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► simultaneous yeah you go ahead we both [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► one of the other two go ahead and he had [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► jammed up in a revolving door if I [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► actually all boy and somebody shot us [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► both oh I still think about that every [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► time I go through my daughter of course [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► is a child she loves a revolving door [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► I don't like going through a revolving [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► door and wait for somebody to lock it up [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► and then i will ichi you know give it to [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► me this is but but you're screwing up [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► the kind climate control and all these [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► hotels and office buildings you open [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► that side door and the whole climate of [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► the building goes racing out like [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► like ghostbusters yeah all its just 70 [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► different climates all running out with [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► hot dogs in their mouths and then you [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► are you fucked it all up whereas if you [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► go through the revolving door it's just [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► one little climate little climate m.d do [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► you use a revolving door that seems [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► antithetical to a lot of your training [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► yeah the only time i actually use the [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► revolving doors if somebody's going [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► through ahead of me that I know and then [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► as the revolving doors halfway through I [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► stick my foot in it and then it stops on [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► the person slamming into the glass and [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► it's one of my favorite bags and I do it [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► all but I do it all the time and a lot [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► of my friends know I'm gonna do it but [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► then they forget because they get [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► excited about going through a revolving [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► shot everybody does their they see it [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► coming and they're like here we go [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► and then I gem my foot in it and make [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► slam into the class and it just like i [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► love it over and over and over that gag [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► works [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► do you renounce Satan and renown saying [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► WOW phone a lot of the times I'll slam [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► revolving door into them and then i'll [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► go around and go into the [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► going-to-the-sun happens or friends [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► always a little surprise around every [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► corner [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► that's right that is the kind of see [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► that's the kind of thing that's why [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► people call me an asshole [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► yeah but it doesn't really it's nothing [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► about that is bad LOL still survive that [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► they didn't do anything wrong it's no [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► it's me it's on it's on me but it's also [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► it's small and it's just putting a [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► little bit of joy into everybody's life [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► I think [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► yeah that's so nice you do that yeah [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► even the guy that's just like a [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► Beefeater who's standing outside hailing [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► cabs for you proof he uh he laughs too [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► and we all laugh a scene at all who that [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► guys seen it all anyway sorry interested [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► he's he's he's he's working for her [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► right next to a giant poster of himself [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► imagine that he's getting his idea of [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► getting dressed for work is so different [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► than my idea of getting dressed for work [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► better if we had the dresses beefeaters [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► every day he's dressed like a [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► revolutionary war a minute man and he's [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► helping kevin costner into into a little [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► bed-and-breakfast but he's going to [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► remember he's going to remember his face [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► and he's going to get walk around the [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► Pentagon trying to see him and kevin [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► costner is gonna be hiding [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► bathrooms it's this is part of this part [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► of the job huh yeah yeah ratings are [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► complicated complicated stuff you know [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► what's complicated [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► who was that I hate the segway I hate to [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► not stay also what I want to come back [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► to i might be taking some point go ahead [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► okay I hate to paint across the bridge [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► who but uh I have two dongles now 102 [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► dongles have two dogs i used to have I [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► step one key if you recall once upon a [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► time I had one key my life was simple [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► yeah and then i had more keys and then [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► more and then more and then i gotta donk [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► all I didn't want a dongle screwed up my [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► whole key ring [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► I've got to Donal's this is the this is [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► the direction we're going [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► one have a ring dongles no keys a dongle [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► dongle is it one of those it gives you a [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► pass code to get into something kind of [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► thing or is it like a giant car key [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► no no well so there are some car keys [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► like if you drive a nissan leaf or [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► something you have a dongle in your [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► pocket you don't have a small generator [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► on it is that what it is i think there's [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► many for the keys to be that big really [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► you never have to put it in the car [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► though you just sit in the car [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► it knows you're there it knows your key [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► is in the car and it starts the car ever [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► uh-huh right that's the the this is the [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► future [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► yes it because the thing is even though [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► after 40 years of computers for years of [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► personal computers we act my mom said [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► this to me the other day I know that [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► she's becoming more and more a character [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► on this podcast finally when she objects [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► to it because she feels like i miss up [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► miss representing her if I am is [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► representing her it is only that I'm not [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► describing how actually tough she is but [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► I was sitting on the camera is [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► impossibly tough that was reading some [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► scientific american or something and she [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► walks in and she says [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► did you know the computers have not [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► increased productivity one iota and I [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► looked up and was like huh [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► and she said it's true it takes did you [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► know that the dough and she said it [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► takes just as long to [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► do everything now as it did in nineteen [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► sixty-five the only thing the computers [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► have done is increase productivity in [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► things that are not important that only [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► exists to be computer things and so [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► there was no compare that we can't [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► compare to how long it took in 1965 [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► because we didn't have photoshop then [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► but in terms of like paying your [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► checkbook or some business practice she [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► was like I was in I was in I was doing [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► computers in business for 30 years and [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► at no point along the way did it ever [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► increase productivity one iota and it [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► still hasn't and I was like uh and i was [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► thinking and thinking about about [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► processes and realizing that i could not [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► refute what she said with anything and I [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► was like who [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► oh dear and she was like that she wasn't [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► referring directly to my dongle which [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► performs exactly what do you know the [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► function of a key accepted except it's [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► awkward it's more awkward than mickey [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► and i'm so lost right now [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► well what is the dongle do that is a key [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► except instead of putting it in a lock [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► you touch it to a pad and get a fob it's [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► a fob that's right i'm sorry of a dongle [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► and a father the same if one of their [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► stance your hats if somebody can tell me [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► that it was putting dongle and fob who [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► first of all it will be someone who [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► listens to the lobby i want to give a [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► fob I think of Ellicott near-field [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► communication kind of thing where it's [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► like you know what it is it's like [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► what's-his-name a detective yakamoto was [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► his name [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► oh yeah well let's let's just go let's [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► just go on to tekmoto yakamoto doing his [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► little disco dance to make the door open [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► right that's right he reaches up touches [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► it with his butt and some card in his [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► wallet says you know but instead of just [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► instead of maintaining his police like [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► dignity and sticking a key into a into a [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► keyhole 3-pointer with one with his ass [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► that's right how about a WoW and you [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► know yeah instead of putting it [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► instead of a locomotive going into a [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► train tunnel now we have some sort of [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► like a all that jazz moment [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► gato [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► and and then we're walking past a [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► recumbent bicycle yet and when they were [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► come a bicycle is a classic example I'm [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► not well and he's a map right now I'm so [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► so what she was trying to tell me that [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► that throughout her entire career and [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► computers you know they would publish [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► computer computer talk in magazines [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► probably called computer talk where they [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► would where they would editorialize and [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► say still this 1979 or something still [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► after all this investment in computers [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► we have not improved productivity one [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► bit [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► or rather one iota and that was to all [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► the way through 19 me because it me or [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► is there a bit how many iotas can dance [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► on the head of a pin [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► how many iotas convenience inside of a [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► police evidence he got six iotas in a [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► moment but there's 12 moments in a bit [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► uh-huh anything like 75 bits in a [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► megabyte right it's like bass bass 1024 [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► basically that and you know and then [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► Robert's Rules of Order comes into [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► effect but personal probably but I said [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► to her if the these magazines were [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► reporting this stuff a wide in the [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► general population rebell or say what's [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► going on with these things and she said [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► at that time unlike now nobody read [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► computer magazines except computer [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► people and computer people at the time [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► were unwilling to were unwilling to look [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► critically at computers because it was [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► there it was it was there happy place [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► but we would read these things ago wow [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► it hasn't improved productivity one bit [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► well it certainly will begin to do so [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► right now soon and then it never did and [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► you know she's talking about what I like [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► to talk about all the time which is that [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► we built the Saturn five rocket using [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► pipe benders and slide rules and we have [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► yet to best you know we cheap we keep [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► building rockets and keep exploding on [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► the back of the aircraft carrier right [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► is no like the slide rule argument or no [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► not even well i don't know i wouldn't [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► call the slide rule argument I would [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► call it the balance your checkbook [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► argument which is that at the end of the [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► month you sit down with your [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► check register and you balance it with a [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► pen as opposed to booting up your check [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► balancing software and looking at all [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► the pie charts that generates but it [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► takes the same amount of time and has [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► the same effect on the counter [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► mm ok that's ok alright well just offer [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► this quote from Upton Sinclair that i'm [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► always quoting I want to get it right [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► it's difficult to get a man to [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► understand something when his salary [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► depends upon his not understanding it [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► that's kind of what you're describing [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► right are some ways if you're if you're [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► a computer jockey you're not gonna look [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► for instances where the computer stuff [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► is is not the best way [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► absolutely yeah i think that up but [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► would you describe that as a counter or [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► as a no I'm just I'm just doing that to [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► kind of calm me down a little here's my [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► counter like my counter is that it [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► depends on what you talk about being [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► productive about because the the massive [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► change we see little changes in our life [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► works as people who are on desktop and [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► laptop in mobile computers the thing [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► that's that's not in our face every day [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► in that same way is that we are allowed [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► to be productive or not productive about [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► very different kinds of work because in [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► a way i will very loosely described as [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► behind-the-scenes there's a lot of stuff [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► being done by machines and computers [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► that are actually making things much [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► more efficient I mean I got you [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► something like agriculture agriculture [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► like what you're able to do with [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► agriculture is it you know at scale is [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► so huge now that infrastructure has [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► developed beyond like you know being [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► able to just get things locally or [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► whatever but but I feel like I mean [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► certainly at the level of crunching [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► numbers of like crunching prime numbers [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► computers are doing them allowing us to [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► do that in a much larger scale and that [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► is producing something that that there [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► are a lot of people are going to a lot [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► of people are going to describe the [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► tangible effect of that uh huh uh in [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► terms of for instance like cryptologist [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► but that encryption is all now newly [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► necessary because computers almost [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► creating new need for new technology [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► that's right that the technology is [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► fulfilling the need which is it's like [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► my dad when I took his car away and he [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► was like I need my car [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► why he said to go to the mechanic yeah [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► so a lot of that stuff is just like I [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► think that mostly most of the [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► agriculture productivity as a result of [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► Monsanto count you know like gene [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► manipulation and it's produced a [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► monoculture so we have so it isn't [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► actually an improvement it's just a it [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► is a streamlining of a thing that we go [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► but we didn't want [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► well I think it's different if i could [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► say i think it's different to argue [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► whether it's an improvement [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► rather than again the in the aggregate [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► is all that make the world better i [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► don't know what I'm trying to say is [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► that like it seems like in the [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► inexorable march of technology the thing [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► that is fairly consistent is that as [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► soon as it's less expensive and more [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► reliable to have a machine do something [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► the machine will do that which then [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► necessarily change the nature of what an [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► actual person does and so you can even [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► look at the last 30 40 years and how [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► there was a time when you need people [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► who did things called word processing or [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► data entry that was a kind of job and [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► now there are machines that do that kind [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► of stuff better faster more efficiently [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► and less costly so even though that was [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► considered a technology jobs 30 years [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► ago [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► it's not anymore because now that job is [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► being done by the technology itself [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► right necessarily changes what it is [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► that we're doing on our computers [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► yes it does but what what I'm saying is [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► that that behind word processing behind [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► the Machine taking over word processing [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► rock processing those are just those are [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► just ways of processing what Holt what [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► we formerly did with the with [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► typewriters on you know on what is that [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► stuff called the where you type into a [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► piece of black paper and it makes three [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► copies of copies carbon copies [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► oh yeah but ultimately all that [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► technology including the typewriters in [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► the carbon copies is meant to process [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► your insurance claim you know like all [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► of that is his ways of doing things [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► which have which have more or less [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► remained constant process your insurance [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► claim to fill out your mortgage [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► documents and that ultimately the the [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► the end result the processing of the [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► insurance the filling out the mortgage [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► documents still takes as much time as it [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► once did when it was done in longhand it [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► just now involves a lot more people and [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► a lot more process and a lot more layers [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► of technology but the butt but the [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► actual stuff that's getting done hasn't [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► changed really [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► uh-huh and takes just as long and I know [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► that right now it the the real question [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► is how many John Syracuse's are dancing [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► on the head of a pin trying to refute [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► this argument yelling at his TV screen [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► huh but in but but i believe began and [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► the ultimate proof in the of it is the [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► fact that we have not know not only have [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► we not reduce the 40-hour workweek to 20 [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► hours but we have increased the 40-hour [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► workweek to 60 hours and we have a lot [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► more people working longer and we [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► haven't we have not accomplished a a [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► world in which machines are doing our [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► work we've just added multiple multiple [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► layers of you know of of action and it [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► still takes I mean I don't know when the [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► last time you filled out mortgage papers [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► were Oh God in heaven i put it's like I [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► feel like I feel like when you when you [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► got a mortgage in 1920 it took less time [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► huh [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► so anyway that's just isn't getting what [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► i'm gonna get so many angry letters [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► well yeah you probably should pick up [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► but I am I don't see your but we really [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► kind of talking about quality of life in [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► some ways [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► well I'm talking about why why do we [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► have computers and machines and what is [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► their actual purpose and what we keep [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► doing is applying them to things [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► applying them to with the idea that we [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► are streamlining our processes so that [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► we can have all this extra free time to [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► do to make carton and sit on the beach [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► and the computers have yet to prove that [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► they can do those things actually better [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► i mean you can you can you can buy a [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► home tax filling out computer program [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► and you can input all your data [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► to it and you can learn how to use it [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► and herpa derpa derp but at the end of [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► the day it takes just as long to do your [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► taxes that as it did in nineteen fifty [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► and so why have you put in [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► why have you bothered ok alright um and [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► and at the other end yes computers are [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► processing prime numbers and and [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► sequencing genomes and those do have an [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► effect on science and they are pushing [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► the envelope forward but and but we [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► don't reserve computers just to do that [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► work we we spend most of our energy and [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► most of our time trying to apply [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► computers to like newspaper layouts and [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► doing it on the computer [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► eat your your your bamboozled into [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► thinking that it's easier and better and [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► faster and and so forth but it actually [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► just takes as much time as when we used [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► to put stickam glue down on a on a crazy [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► traffic and the end result is [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► questionably better you know all the [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► time we talked about kerning kerning [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► kerning and you know and we used to do [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► that by hand but it was it was better it [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► was prettier and it was closer to the [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► closer to the truth of really never been [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► easier to email you about this [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► ha ha ha technology has made it so easy [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► for people to email you about they're [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► going to i'm gonna get so many angry [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► emails from people who are barely on the [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► spectrum [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► oh dear um ok so let me ask you this is [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► there a time and era where you feel like [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► it was in the sweet spot for like on the [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► one hand it's nice that food doesn't [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► make a sick anymore [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► on the other hand we don't want devices [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► in our house listening to us to create [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► ads that are appropriate somewhere in [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► between what you think this sweet spot [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► was really think technology was put to [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► good use but not too much good news i [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► want to go back to the to your claim [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► that food formerly made us sick and now [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► computers have made it so that food [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► doesn't make us it's not computers its [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► technology this is the problem is that [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► go in a world where we think all [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► technology is about new apps the [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► interest income [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► the problem is that so much of the [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► reporting about what we need [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► alcohol technology is really about [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► consumer-facing devices so it's easy to [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► make a strong man about technology when [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► you talk about samsung samsung having a [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► refrigerator with a large screen on it [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► like yeah okay yeah I get that silly but [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► couple things is the first of all [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► there's all kinds of Technology [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► happening behind the scenes to make life [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► easier and safe and reliable and less [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► costly but then on the other hand i also [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► i've learned to become reluctant about [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► drawing too many conclusions about a [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► feature that I can't understand where [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► something that right now seems like an [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► inconvenience or a silly thing to me [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► within five years might be something [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► that's that's a pretty big deal but I'm [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► really you know glad is there [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► yeah but i'm not talking about the [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► future i'm talking about the now and [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► that whatever with my marbles and now is [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► the beginning of the future that's [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► that's how it works well I know in my [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► moms but my mom is saying that that has [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► been the conversation since nineteen [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► sixty-five that in five years were going [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► to have a paperless office in five years [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► you're not going to have to do your [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► taxes in five years were going to be [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► able to you know she said the amazing [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► thing was in 1965 they said in five [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► years there won't be computer [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► programmers because all that will be [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► automated right and then in nineteen [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► seventy they said in five years there [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► won't be computer programmers and [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► they've been saying that every five [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► years for the last 40 years and now we [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► have more computer programmers than ever [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► and there's more things to program about [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► right which is a lot of how to do your [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► tax software but i but i want to know [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► that's not accurate and I want to know [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► exactly how computers have made food [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► safer on or how technology Nazi i iu and [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► i i am not prepared to debate this [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► because i haven't had time to prepare [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► for this but i'm trying to think of [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► things I think of things like along the [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► lines of maybe having to do with with [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► things like being able to do quality [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► control on various kinds of foods or I'm [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► thinking about things like being able to [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► track epidemiology being able to track [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► things like diseases that go around you [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► know all the way down to like people in [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► Africa being able to have the beginnings [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► of trade based on SMS and things like [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► that there's all kinds of ways in which [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► technology gets used in a novel way in a [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► small way or in a scalable way in a big [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► way that end up improving our life and [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► the thing is I think the fallacies to [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► think that any given new technology is [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► going to fix the world [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► it's not it's just going to be the next [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► technology that we didn't make a [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► decision what to do with which I guess [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► I'm saying for the last 40 years we have [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► been tracking that and then any kind of [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► like I think the food safety stuff that [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► you're saying the computers have made it [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► much easier to import strawberries from [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► New Zealand which is a thing that [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► computers made it necessary to do in a [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► way you know like with or like computers [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► invented into importing strawberries [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► from New Zealand in away let's just say [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► technology did yeah we now have the [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► technology to have strawberries all year [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► round and that's the that's kind of the [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► amazing thing we didn't use to have [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► strawberries all year round [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► now we do and and that is I guess the i [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► guess the the thing that I notice that's [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► that actually is an improvement right [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► there was a time when you go to the [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► grocery store in the winter and all i [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► had was root vegetables and [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► chocolate-covered grasshoppers [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► uh-huh except the grasshoppers want [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► chocolate covered but now we have them [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► and those things have created a whole [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► new host of problems and you know and so [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► now we have to use technology to to [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► facilitate these processes processes [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► that you know that it's like we created [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► problems and now our man now are solving [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► my guess that is the march of technology [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► especially if you take technology to [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► mean again and that where technology is [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► uh can be kind of thorny you and [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► introduce technology into this [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► conversation i was saying computers and [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► final challenge the computers [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► oh ok alright fair enough yeah cuz I [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► mean like it is a better plow because [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► I'm to understand what you're saying [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► it's happened not just sound like an old [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► man thing is but it sounds like you're [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► saying that we will you tell me but it [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► sounds like you're saying that what [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► widespread availability of computing [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► means is just the need for more [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► computing well no I'm saying show me [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► where quality of life has improved in [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► the last 50 years that where you can [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► directly tie it to him [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► movements and technology rather like [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► every time I do that though you didn't [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► turn that into a thing where you're just [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► to show how that's really about [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► computers but i think there are there [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► are no I mean that's what that's what it [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► seems like I mean I i don't i don't know [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► i don't i guess I guess what I'm trying [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► to figure out is like when was there a [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► time when this was ever any different [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► well if it's not sure I fully understand [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► what your point is if i do though it's [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► it's that there's something has changed [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► in the last 40 50 years i guess i would [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► say at the turn of the at the turn of [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► the 18th to the 19th century we had an [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► explosion of technology that where we [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► have the electric light bulb we had the [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► look you know certainly we already have [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► the locomotive but we have the motorcar [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► we have the airplane and so throughout [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► the throughout the 18th century [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► developed the steam engine ships no [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► longer had sales and that was a [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► fantastic march of progress you know my [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► mom remembers the first time she saw [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► tractor food because before that they [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► were plowing with horses [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► really that was like in her lifetime it [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► well i'm getting even where she lived [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► there were already lots of tractors but [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► but it that you know they weren't they [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► were expensive and so they were plowing [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► her 40 acres with horses and then they [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► got a tractor and a combine or combine [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► attachment to a tractor but still the [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► the cart where the grain was going was [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► pulled by horses and that was pulled by [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► horses into the late forties so those [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► are real real like technologies that [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► that changed everybody's life but but we [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► are looking at the last 40 years and i [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► think the other the actual way we're [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► living in 2015 2016 compared to how we [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► were living in 1966 hasn't really [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► changed where basically flying the same [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► airplanes we are driving the same cars [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► for all intensive purposes and filling [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► out our taxes and voting and and we have [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► not and we like to think that this has [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► been a comparable revolution [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► but a lot more of it is just spinning [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► our wheels like with like because in [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► 1966 the perception of where we would be [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► in 2016 was just as you're saying like [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► wow five years from now it's the future [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► and a lot of the things that hg wells [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► talked about actually came true [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► the the physical like new technology [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► actually was became real and was [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► astonishing and from 1966 to the present [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► we haven't things are very different [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► we're doing very different things people [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► aren't sitting in and and typing on [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► carbon copy they are moving stuff around [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► with a mouse but the output is still you [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► know that the the newspaper on the on [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► the TV isn't actually much of a it's [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► it's not a major change relative to it [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► to a newspaper we still read newspapers [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► not all right but uh but you know the [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► information contained in it is more or [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► less identical and I think that is [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► consumer-facing stuff that i guess i'm [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► thinking more about things that I don't [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► understand infrastructure where I guess [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► I might get would be that there are [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► things in the infrastructure that [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► technology is making things better and [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► safer [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► poop poop moves down tubes who and [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► before poop was moving down tubes and [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► and guys in overalls were like well i [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► think probably we got a clogged up there [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► at the head headwaters and then they go [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► up with shovels in a steam engine and [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► dig it out but now we've got somebody [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► sitting in a dark room looking at a [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► thousand different poop lines and saying [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► like yep the poop is clogged up at the [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► headwaters and it's it is now [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► computerized and it is it is better [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► right but not as dramatically as we as [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► we think not as we have but I don't the [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► poop still goes down to ya but part of [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► that is also that's just the nature of I [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► feel like that's part of that is just [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► the nature of [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► how changing technology works where [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► except in 90 in the early nineteen [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► hundreds poop went from being buried in [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► pitts to going down tubes that was the [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► english thrown out a window or being [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► thrown out of a window which is why the [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► man walked on the edge of the sidewalk [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► and through his coat down into the [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► puddle [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► yes so that was the that was the major [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► advance now now we have a sewer but [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► computerizing the the process of poop [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► going down tubes hasn't really changed [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► at changed it [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► it's still a 19th century technology [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► just has sensors in it now [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► hmm so I I don't you know I don't want [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► to like go down a list of a thousand [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► examples and you have thousands of my [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► challenge with this is that is that I [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► don't know enough about actual [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► technology to be able to describe these [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► things except by analogy whereas I I [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► could join you [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► pretty easily in finding things that are [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► exceptions or problems from these [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► technologies that don't require [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► technical background i just i I'm a bad [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► person argue about this with because I [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► just don't know enough about how it [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► actually works but again I bet they were [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► you know there are certain there's [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► enough anecdotes about saying well now [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► trains are going too fast and pregnant [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► women shouldn't write on them which is [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► not true but that's the kind of thing [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► that they would say you could say yeah [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► we made these we made these plans but [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► you know hey you know those first planes [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► that they sent into war were not that [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► reliable and they're used to kill people [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► so she's not making planes [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► it's just that you know for every [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► example there's something that we [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► learned and maybe at this point maybe [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► I'm just being a little bit [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► was that English guy yeah I mean I'm not [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► saying that we should stop because I I [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► feel like that I feel like we've talked [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► about this quite a bit [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► we are on the cusp of a big revolution [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► like when when self-driving cars and I [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► hate to keep bringing them up but so I [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► not really thats not driving i think [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► it's i think it's fascinating personally [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► I couldn't care less a year ago and now [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► i'm really interested [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► yeah when those are happening that will [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► be the thing that I go there [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► there it is that is an absolutely new [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► thing that could not be accomplished [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► without computers it is a major advance [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► and it changes everyone's life dramatic [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► right that will be the first sign that i [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► have seen that the computer revolution [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► of the late 20th century the last 50 [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► years of gearing up and getting [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► everybody so that they understand this [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► and increasing processing power to be [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► able to revolutionize transportation in [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► that way I'll go yes absolutely but you [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► know the the the jet airplane was [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► invented in the forties and by the [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► fifties we had a 707 that was you know [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► and what we've done in making the 787 is [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► make that much incremental e more [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► efficient but still it's essentially the [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► same thing and and everyone at you know [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► like in the nineteen fifties office we [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► were accomplishing a tremendous amount [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► of paper pushing and we are still [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► pushing those papers now they just [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► they're just electric papers but like [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► yeah we're pushing electric papers but [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► now now with with the with these systems [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► coming online that's going to be [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► tremendous and I feel like you know [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► twitter is kind of a kind of a like a [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► glimpse of the future but it is but you [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► know it's like it is it is something new [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► right something that didn't exist before [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► that's that gives a glimpse of what what [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► society how society is going to be [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► different but but I but I'm just saying [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► that I feel like the last 40 years has [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► just been just been changing the tools [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► and and maybe it's equivalent to the [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► years between 1830 and 1880 where you [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► know we're building these creaky weird [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► little railroads and and steam engines [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► whir whir increasing productivity and [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► and creating cities but it wasn't clear [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► what that was going to be like and then [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► all of a sudden in 1880 there was an [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► explosion of that technology and we also [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► had cities now [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► that were like a long-term product of [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► the steam engine but it wasn't clear [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► what those were going to be so now we [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► had cities we have to solve city [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► problems the steam engine was great for [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► that but then it did you know it did [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► change our lives or the internal [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► combustion engine you know changed our [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► lives and that's about to happen and I'm [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► excited about it is what it is what [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► technology is is enabling us to do and [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► and now we're going to see what it is [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► but like up to [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► we've been in a train our whole lives [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► we've been in this kind of interesting [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► item where it's you know where we've [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► kind of just been we've been taking all [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► those boxes of legal papers up in the [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► attic and we've been in putting them [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► into the machines and and you know and [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► we're on the cusp i guess but what my [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► mom was saying was it was kind of proof [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► of that which is that we've been putting [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► everything into computers all this time [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► and it really hasn't increased [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► productivity one [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► say it with me eyota MN not even not [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► even a partial bit not even an iota [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► which is very small amount of iota right [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► because it's iotas all the way down [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► uh-huh anyway a right to me at John [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► rajan dot Roderick and dot com [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► oh dear and send me all the all of the [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► ways in which that what I've just what [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► I've just said is not true [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► mm-hmm mean we're talking about [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► billionaires no long [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► Wow [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► uh I wanted to like Moby Dick I found [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► moby-dick impenetrable as a [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► eight-year-old and so I thought when I [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► was a twenty-year-old that I would read [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► it again and understand it and you know [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► I'm an enormous melville fan above the [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► other hand of his works well I had to [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► read it in college and I had a class [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► called American masterworks one semester [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► and we read Absalom Absalom Moby Dick [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► and the ambassadors and I liked Absalom [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► Absalom alive but maybe not so much the [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► others but I got through me because I [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► kept telling myself it was postmodern [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► that like it's up there with the [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► electric Chandi it's like one of the [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► original post modern books what I kept [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► telling myself even though I never [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► completely understood that phrase meant [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► and it didn't actually helped make the [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► book that much more interesting [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► mhm I i preferred joseph conrad in every [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► in every respect but yeah I didn't and [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► you know I read tale of two cities again [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► and I didn't like it either but [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► obviously the worst of all those books [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► is Billy Budd Billy but it's herman [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► melville to write in billyburg silly but [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► that's all that's another one is on a [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► ship right yeah unreadable unreadable I [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► you know here's the thing is that i was [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► i was a good reader i was a big reader i [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► read a lot but it but there was a thing [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► that happened you can think about stuff [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► I classics Illustrated there was [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► definitely like a push in the sixties [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► and seventies to get kids to want to [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► read real books because it wasn't enough [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► obviously you should never read a comic [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► book that's gonna write your mind you [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► know you don't get only read so much [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► Henry Huggins before you become a [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► Dollard encyclopedia brown sure you know [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► you how you gonna get really smart [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► unless you read these big thick European [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► books well with Henry Huggins oh Henry [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► Huggins that boy you know with Ramona [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► Quimby and his dog ritzy there was very [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► readable Judy solve crimes that per se [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► not per se it's just you're pretty much [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► straightforward kind of kids book you [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► know for like their fourth grader like [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► encyclopedia brown or that love [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► encyclopedia my daughter and I we had [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► enough encyclopedia brown face now the [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► problem cyclopedia brown you get any [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► collection encyclopedia brown stories [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► and a couple of them are really really [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► we're like I didn't see that coming or [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► that was really smart I've read some of [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► my daughter couple times we read through [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► we try to look for the clue [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► there's usually a couple of those in [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► every collection that are actually [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► really good detective stories and the [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► rest are terrible and they're not [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► terrible [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► the one some of them are terrible [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► because they're obvious ones that are [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► really terrible are where the the the [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► trick just doesn't make any sense [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► there was one there was one that was [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► about how could you tell that like he [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► didn't actually lose this karate fight [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► it's because he filled felt backwards [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► instead of forwards and stuff like that [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► one that was a good trick [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► now the guy who who put his kid on the [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► hood of the car that sure the hood [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► should have still been hot because they [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► supposedly been driving all day [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► that's right in the pocket for [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► encyclopedia around well met some [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► sherlock holmes stuff out there was a [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► lonely [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► yeah absolutely but you know it's also [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► part of it was though that and I was I [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► was eight I may not a victim of this but [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► I was subject to this was hey let's make [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► these but you know me you know it's so [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► great whenever the grown-ups want to [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► make stuff palatable to kids which they [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► really mean it's like it's like tricking [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► your dog into eating pill by put in [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► peanut butter like that you know after [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► the dogs eat until it's gonna go you [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► just totally fucking tripping so like I [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► remember I had a couple small collection [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► of like inexpensive hardback books of [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► the classics but they had like fun [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► covers but it was still a tale of two [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► cities inside yeah yeah I remember that [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► like where you try and make it more like [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► fun and update the covers and make it a [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► little hip and like it's still like i [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► never got past the first couple pages of [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► the tale of two cities did you ever see [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► the extreme-teen Bible now I don't think [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► I know about this [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► yeah Shawn Nelson found one of these [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► one-time the extreme teen bible and it [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► was the Bible updated for teens but not [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► just team all come on Xtreme team no [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► fears no regrets [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► that's right and so it had like a [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► certain I mean had been streamlined so [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► that all the King James talk was taken [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► out of it and it was just like Jesus was [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► a righteous dude he made the fishes turn [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► into a mermaid the old shoe leopard [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► weather turning officials or whatever [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► yeah sure whatever he did [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► and something Matthew yeah like jumping [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► up and down and he said this and then [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► everybody was like not that he was like [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► yeah he ripped off an extreme holly [TS]

00:59:01 ◼   ► threat any that's right he carved a [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► major fucking boner word and then you [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► know certain passages were in were in [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► red and then on the side there were [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► sidebars was like did you know that [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► Jesus never took any shit off nobody who [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► ya [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► oh and it was it was fantastic we had [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► lots of fun with the extreme teen bible [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► and i think we may have read it aloud up [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► from stage on a particular time let me [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► ask the obvious question here so this [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► was not just a different cover on like a [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► new standard translation they they did [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► their that was rewritten in extreme teen [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► ease really sure they still have on [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► chapters and verses or was it more like [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► stories [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► mmm more like well you know they had [TS]

00:59:46 ◼   ► chapters and verses in that they pulled [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► out chapters and verses so that you can [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► memorize the numbers so that you could [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► use those to defeat other people in [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► arguments at that's key so you can just [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► be like john three sixteen what do you [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► say to that bra [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► mmm [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► mmm [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► and so they absolutely did that you know [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► there are a lot of those sort of quotes [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► that are just like if you if if you're [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► in an argument with somebody who just [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► dropped john three sixteen on them and [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► then they just better shut up [TS]

01:00:14 ◼   ► that means a Stone Cold Steve Austin's [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► gonna kick your ass that's right that's [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► right [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► not as extreme teen bible delivers just [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► what teams are looking for real answers [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► to life's tough questions all the [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► innovative study helps our gear to the [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► teen culture haha of that they are 15 [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► culture all the innovative study helps [TS]

01:00:31 ◼   ► ya wasn't are you going at Nelson's [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► extreme teen bible at written by Thomas [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► Nelson not having probably no relation [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► that may be why Shawn Nelson was first [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► turned on the extreme teen bible he was [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► probably this was before search engine [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► sure so he would have been in the [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► bookstore looking at all the books that [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► have been written by people named Nelson [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► and and discovered it [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► I mean it's just a guess seems like a [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► weird coincidence [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► oh gosh there's the official amazon.com [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► reviewer extreme teen bible dares teams [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► to crack open its pages and live up to [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► the cutting-edge standard found inside [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► can you fucking do it can you do it can [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► you crack it open you can be a chicken [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► bock bock bock exactly you dare crack [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► this open this New King James [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► translation o bad idea thoroughly [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► explained in teen for a black which up [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► always gonna be totally grunting fuck i [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► feel like this is how mark driscoll got [TS]

01:01:26 ◼   ► his start right the the famous Seattle [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► minister with tattoos who's like dude [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► brah my wife is smoking hot to the max [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► and i like to fuck and do it with her [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► over and over because that's the [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► Christian Way and you could submit you [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► know your wife needs to submit to you [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► it's like a SNM ministry with a lot of [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► rock and roll it had that's that's that [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► founded in the concept of like your wife [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► serves you [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► that's that you know that's that's what [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► that's what the extreme-teen [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► bible-toting and then I love that idea [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► yeah they're seriously his congregation [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► had like 10,000 members and they all [TS]