Ep. 187: "The Nicest Oubliette"
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hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going
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oh well it's a little crazy out there
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what's up oh I just recommend that you
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not go out today I don't you should I
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think you should stay stay in is
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probably good advice everywhere
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well yeah I mean I think I feel like a
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lot of people were making left-hand
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turns from the right-hand lane today if
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you know what I'm saying
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yeah and it just felt like boy don't
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don't don't make any unnecessary trips
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as the state troopers say they're never
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heard that advice that's it really
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wasn't on the war
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no no that's very common state trooper
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advice don't make any unnecessary trips
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today but any of my parts that spanned
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letting the guy with the broom decide
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how many elephants can be in the parade
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just makes his job easy
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you will help me right after advise you
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not to use your car's much that kind of
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puts a it's a bit of a burden on us in
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the law enforcement community I had I
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had that exact experience one time where
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the state trooper standing at a
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roadblock and I drove up to it and he
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said roads closed and I said really and
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he said well I mean you can go if you
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want what I said well alright i will he
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was like so on you it's more like as
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serving suggestion no I think he was
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like roads closed and everybody turn
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around let me lose the
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passive-aggressive state trooper but
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whatever but you know he was he wasn't
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he didn't have a hundred percent
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conviction and and I was like well fuck
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it i never saw a road that was so close
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that that I wouldn't take a shot at it i
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think is dale carnegie said no I when it
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was a hairy ride i'll tell you but it
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was wasn't closed
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yeah yeah yeah i think you know i'm not
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i don't like to drive I don't drive if I
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can avoid it but i I've always lived in
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fear of that thing where the cop asks
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you where you're going and with the
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implicit question of like why you're
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going where you're going and I really
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just part of this bigger existential
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anxiety for me which is I don't have
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like one particularly good read
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in for anything that I do and I don't
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like that like being asked about that
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that's easy enough people say like why
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didn't you buy this phone so well first
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of all who cares and second of all
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that's a weird question but I'm gonna
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keep asking why you're going we're going
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that that's like a crisis of confidence
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and out for me because I'm like do I
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really need to be doing this should be
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doing this is a man I don't you know
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what I thought I knew what I was doing
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this and now i feel kind of bad that I'm
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even here in wasting your time right
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apart why am I doing this I'm doing this
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what I'm going to go to go visit my
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family do I want to do that no i'm not
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completely I mean why am i doing that
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I'm doing out of the familial obligation
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like what way you are you here
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yeah yeah yeah well see that's exactly
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my answer that question mean when
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somebody says haha
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where you going why are you going there
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I always say why do any of us do
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anything right in the version of that
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same thing except its subjects said from
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a process first set from a position of
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like why are you doing what you're doing
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Oh glad that's just having a cop than
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one here oh no no but you know but that
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that's a potential it's a potential
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moment for you guys to really bond over
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the fact that are you know what what why
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do any of us do anything I it seems like
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one of those questions when they give
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you a polygraph test before they get to
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did you kill Nicole Brown Simpson
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questions they have to ask you you know
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it was your name
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you know right ornithology james simpson
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like that you've got to ask the like
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baseline questions and see how you
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reacted those before they can look for
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the spikes by the way he got a negative
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24 on that was very upsetting to john
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travolta in the movie but you know what
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i mean and so like I think when there's
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a lot of things were like you ask
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somebody a question not to get an answer
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but to see how they react to the
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question mm and I think that's what a
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cop is doing I think they're trained to
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do that they don't actually care while
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you're driving but they want to see if
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you're up to some monkey business
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yeah well I remember getting pulled over
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by cop one night and I had a guy in the
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back of the car who was a former Army
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veteran fought in the old fun in the
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famous Panama war she recalled the the
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noriega the noriega war where they were
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they parked out in front of the music
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remember simply the heavy metal music he
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fought in that war and it would but it
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was a genuine war army people shot at
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other people and and succeeded in there
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mission of shooting other people and so
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he was a really big guy in an army guy
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and that was before we had the term for
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this kind of libertarian
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anti-authoritarian take over a Wildlife
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Refuge style anti-government person but
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he was certainly anti-authoritarian and
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so I got pulled over this cop foregoing
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15-30 or something like and he
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immediately gets you can just hear him
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behind me just in this body limp body
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English of like all right I'm not taking
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you no we're not taking any shit off of
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this and it wasn't that he wasn't going
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to take any shit it was that he was
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communicating to the car that we weren't
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going to take it well in the larger way
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that no shit would be takin no shit is
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going to be taken here this cop you know
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barely has the authority to pull the
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soap and so the cop walks up and he's
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like I said it's in the middle of the
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night you know it's like one of those
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it's a little bit fraught already the
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complex up and i'm sure he sees the
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six-foot-five bald army guy staring
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straight ahead with his jaw clenched in
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the backseat I'm sure he sees him before
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he even sees me and he comes up to me
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and he's like Sir do you know why I
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pulled you over and I was like yeah I
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was going 15 to 30 and the guy behind me
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loses his mind you can hear Mike switch
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like you give too much away like what do
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name rank and serial number and the cop
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was like yeah that's right and I was
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like yeah sorry i was there nobody on
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the road and I was just driving
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I mean it's not like i was going 15 to
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30 and they were like school buses on
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the street it's two in the morning and
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the cop said alright sir house you know
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give me your license registration and
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you know sit tight and goes back to his
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car and I the my buddy just give me the
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Baltimore dressing-down what the fuck
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are you doing man
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she's just what about however right and
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you know five minutes later the cop
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comes back and he's like alright will
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slow down out there has been my license
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and registration I'm like yeah see the
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cub you know he's not an ass
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he's not an idiot yeah there's nobody
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else on the highway you just be just be
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a problem with people i get off at
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tickets all the time and it's largely
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white privilege oh no that's a big part
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i just--there's a thing there's a thing
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like cops to a really hard job and it's
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really hard with the hottest hard
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difficult and dangerous work but but
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it's just it's so no matter how old I
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get I still think it's weird that
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anybody wants to be a cop and I'm still
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suspicious of anybody who wants to be a
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cop and I know that's wrong i know i'm
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sorry i'm certain that there are people
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who are genuine sociopathic bullies who
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specifically with a Napoleon complex who
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in particular become cops just so they
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I don't doubt that for a second but
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there are a lot of good people but the
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job is so weird I mean the actual job
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you think about the job I think about in
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your case like if somebody you're in a
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position where somebody says to you hey
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John like i'll give you like fifty
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dollars to come to Boston for an hour
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and you're in a position to go like oh
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you know that's not really a good deal
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for me and like I wouldn't want to do
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that whereas somebody else's I'm gonna
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get $50,000 to like do something in your
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own backyard you say yeah they'll do
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that could you can weigh like what
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that's a good use of your time
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happens to me all the time all the time
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both directions you're constantly
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fielding offers but when you're a cop
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it just seems like there's so much stuff
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that basically just comes down to time
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and paperwork and in that case like why
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he did he really pull you over like was
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did he pull that any people do over you
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follow i'm going with this one yeah what
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a weird job to have to pull somebody
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over check their information and not
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give a ticket like okay so was he just
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looking for was he working off the books
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for people who like were had drugs in
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their car or something was that part of
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his assignment was this assignment to
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get more tickets like what was his job
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what what part of his job was he doing
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when he pulled you over Andy succeed at
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yeah and I don't know I can't answer
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that question without without rolling
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through this whole array of motivations
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for why you would be a cop in the first
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place and what their actual role is in
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society because I i honestly can't tell
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you but your five different peoples
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fight for reasons why they want to pull
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somebody over because it is based on
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their intuition right oh well where's
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yeah speaking I mean you know he's on
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he's on speed trap duty or whatever
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I think it's also two o'clock in the
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morning he's driving around he's that's
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his job to be out and so he's looking
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around and I think the best cops
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understand that they are agents of the
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state and that we all agree on laws and
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that those laws need to be enforced and
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the state and forces them for a variety
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of reasons and the way they do that is
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through the police and so the worst cops
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think that they are personally charged
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with a with a personal authority to be
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out there busting bad guys like those
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that's just the wrong motivation almost
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yeah right i mean the guys that think
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that they have some superior ability to
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handle situations and get in there and
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you know deal with people deal with you
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know the bad guys like those guys should
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I don't know what they should do they
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should become trainers you know but but
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the best cops understand that like we
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need police because the state makes laws
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the benefit of us all and then we have
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to enforce those laws because a lot of
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people are gonna you know a lot of
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people are going to say that doesn't
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myself included and so yeah the cops are
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out there they're like okay I'm i pulled
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the i pulled the one am 28 a.m. shift
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and i'm out here enforcing the laws and
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if I see a guy driving 15-30 whose cars
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on fire and he's on top of it wearing a
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toga and waving a scimitars I'm
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definitely pulling him over
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uh-huh because he is gonna be something
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going on he appears to be a danger to
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well you know also just basics weather
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since you know smoke there's fire or
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better still where there's fire there's
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a car on fire and that's probably why
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she got the road
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that's exactly right but you getting to
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the seminar he's driving along and he
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sees a guy he's a car full of guys uh
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who look like a former Army Rangers and
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they're going too fast and that's really
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the only thing that's going on right now
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he's looking around he wishes it a space
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alien would come down and give him
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something exciting to do but that's the
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only thing that's going on and so he's
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like all right I'm gonna pull these guys
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over and he checks your idea
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he puts it into the computer is like all
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right nobody and I think he took
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everybody's idea for a cliq if i
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remember correctly ok I you know and and
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everybody was fine and it was like this
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is fine this is just a normal situation
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and that's why I say yeah I was speeding
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I I honestly I and I mean I'm not
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flipping him attitude like seriously
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dude it's just like yeah I understand
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why you pulled me over but also do you
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understand why I'm going 15 to 30 and he
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does and so everything so he Percy sees
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himself and his job correctly which is
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like I'm out here because people want me
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out here and when I encounter a
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situation i can use my good judgment and
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say move along who um it's just it's
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just those bad cops that and anything is
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a lot of the bad cops are always the
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ones that don't see themselves as bad
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because they're the ones out there
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breaking knees and chasing bad chasing
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guys in hoodies and making the world
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safe you know and that's just it seems
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that's that seems like a stereotype that
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must have its factual you know examples
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in life even I mean as much as that
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stereotype that must happen i'm talking
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about like in his case like in and this
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is why I struggle to understand like
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what it's like to be a you-know-what ago
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you would not a beat cop but like you
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know a lower-level police officer not a
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detective not somebody's charged was
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saying look we need you to use your
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intuition and to use these various kinds
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of you know known data to make decisions
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about how to proceed with this right
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you're more of a knowledge what kind of
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job which I'm not saying it's not again
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on this thing it's not difficult i'm not
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saying it's not you don't be smart to do
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it but in that case it's you know it's
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it's almost like it almost makes more
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sense when you go well you need to make
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two thousand dollars in traffic stop in
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in traffic fines tonight you know what I
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friend Jason Finn had a nickname what we
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have for many years he was just he was
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called Goldmember dad because because
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when he traveled he was obsessed with
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his his mileage plans and for many years
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it's like a version of sports for some
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people it is but he was in the famous
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band uh president the united states of
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america who routinely flew to europe and
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asia and australia and just going for a
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weekend sometime say they would they
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would fly to Belgium play it play Big
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Show fly home you know they leave hunt
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friday be back on Sunday
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which was bananas to me but you know
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they were paid very handsomely
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but the thing is they would fly to
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Australia and Jason would be in first
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class and the rest of his band and crew
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would be in coach and it's not that they
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didn't all it's not that they could
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involve in goldmember's it's just that
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the other guys didn't bother to do the
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paperwork and obsess over the over that
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little bit of saving up your credits
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right and so they get on the plane and
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his bandmates were rightfully furious
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but Jason would be like well then
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manager manager miles and the thing is
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Jason appointed himself to be the
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traveled a coordinator for his band so
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he made sure that they always flew on
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the airlines that he was interested in
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collecting miles on you know he had a
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whole plan a project and I and I think
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he he i could paraded his bandmates you
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should do this you should do this and
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that you know and they just felt like it
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was beneath their dignity but anyway I
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so i have several friends who are gold
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members but then I also have one famous
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friend that you and I both know who has
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just achieved dymond status haha
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yeah he was platinum for a long time and
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then he be whenever he actually made a
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specious cross-country trip for no other
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reason than to achieve diamond status at
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the very end of the year it was just
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like well you're only 5,000 miles away
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from diamond status and he was like
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alright I'm fly somebody in Portland was
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like I'll give you fifty fifty dollars
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to show up for the opening of this
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bottle of wine and and jon was like you
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know what I'll do it just to achieve so
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now he's diamond students and so I you
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know spy rope i wrote an email i have
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element to a few people I was like I
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just got Silver's datas look at me
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and I got back all these condescending
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congratulations i hope you know that
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silver status accord you nothing you
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know there was seriously like it was
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like The Dukes and Earls were
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congratulating somebody that got an MBE
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like the lowest grade would be like it
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would be like telling like a Rothschild
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you just bought stock
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yeah I got some star gotta stock hey
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look at me and so I got all this kind of
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all this like shade thrown at me about
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my silver status like oh great silver
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status you know they just give that to
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you to like to like get you on the hook
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so that's exactly the first big payout
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of the night on nickel slots
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uh-huh it's like this will keep him here
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for a while because now now that thing
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is it it's a little bit of how do you
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refer to it as a white white ribbon is
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that what you call it
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oh well yeah i would call it the white
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ribbon that's right the way you've got
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the white ribbon to the console you know
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it's it's either the third-place finish
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or in some cases the participation the
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participation i think is standard coach
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but I mean white you know really maybe
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it's like getting a sixth-place rabbit
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was like I didn't know they made ribbon
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for its but somebody had to take the
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time to figure out I'd like tied for
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sixth yeah it's the brown ribbon it's
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right but I mean it's like even when I
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kinda hate talking about airplanes
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you've got to stop but like I for me
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like uh I mean even being in that
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business class or first but like when
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you get like the priority boarding and
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like you paid to get in like they know
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for me that's if I can afford it when I
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flyer something else is paying for me
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that's always virgins main cabin select
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right which is great
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it's so great because it's already it's
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very close to business class or at first
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it's so great to get all the free TV get
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all the free food you get all the free
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alcohol you get a nice big chair to sit
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in but chairs on engine and typically
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you are then seated next to someone who
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also understands not to talk to you
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yeah absolutely United you a very very
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quick polite greeting at the beginning
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and then you you maybe something after
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the wheels hit the runway
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no I totally agree you stare at your
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device maybe we'll get somebody they
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don't get somebody with a large pizza
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and 200 papers to grade
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haha i'll never forget this woman this
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woman walked into the middle seat with a
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pizza that was larger than her
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why uh so but then the thing is it's
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with all these statuses and it's
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hilarious i'm sure there's been a
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million stand-up it's about this but all
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the status is where you start with like
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you know military people in uniform and
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people disabilities kids and then you go
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through like it's hilarious to me there
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must be like six different statuses
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million milers then diamond-- then ya
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gotta be gotta you know what I'm trying
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to think on on some of you guys always
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something like international class path
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slide number so there's the highest
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level and then you go through all the
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different metals at and it's incredible
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because like even we paid to have the
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earlier seating it what you really
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gotten is you are the people who board
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right before the the bad people who get
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there extra you know that that first 40
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people on the plane that are all those
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statuses are also the people that know
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how to get on an airplane they know that
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they're all carrying small bags if you
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usually you know there's very few
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billion a lot of leakage back into the
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larger bag that is really there's that
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that's happening that's that's chronic
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right but now but you're not going to
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see somebody with with platinum status
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that's carrying loose fruit that's
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carrying a butt like a huge huge bag
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another huge bag on top of it then an
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accordion in its case and then a monkey
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and you know and then a huge bag of
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monkey chow the airline said the monkey
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consider my life with talking about
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though it's a service monkey it's in lab
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anyway the point of the point of this
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every day that a pizza right the order
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canada tuna fish is yellow you up pizza
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and take-out playing my god i I've done
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Oh Jonathan airport one time I was like
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wait a minute you'll sell me an entire
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pizza and they were like yes and I was
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like sold this is that is such a hate
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no I took it on the plane and I was like
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well we got a pizza in the people next
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we were like oh my god I was like are
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you kidding me everything on a piece
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everything smells so much worse on a
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plane what is because it mingles with
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the parts of the air conditioning is it
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the long tube is not gonna let that
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escaping simply says brings a fucking
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listen you know the guy next to me is
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probably took his shoes off you know and
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there it was just like I've got a pizza
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it was one of the few moments I got on a
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plane and I turned into like a like a
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four-year-old monkey right like I was
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just like I have pizza haha hey boss man
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in any case yes so back to silver status
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out five of the six flights I've taken
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since i got silver status five five out
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of the six I was upgraded to first class
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what as a silver status is unheard of
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for free just I get to the airport i'm
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i'm i'm walking in you know of course i
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have pre-check because I must thank you
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know your stance on no no no I wouldn't
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fly united if the world had come to an
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end and they were the only flight and it
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was a flight away from erupting volcano
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found to see your daughter out of the
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Apocalypse there's what's he left once
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he left no you i will die here in the
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lava flow before i get our unit she's
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no no we all die we all die ok whatever
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like they're like jet airline you know I
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don't want to give free advertising to
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some stupid airline I think they're all
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garbage but i don't have people listen
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the show jon was fucking airline is it
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haha i fly delta well no they're
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terrible they're all terrible but Delta
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so anyway Jason Finn sends me he sends
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me he's like when he realizes that i'm
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interested in this stuff because and
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what got me interested frankly couple
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years ago I did 50 flights in a year and
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I just was i was going online and just
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picking flights based on how cheap they
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were and then I flew to Africa with
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jonathan coulton yeah right who got
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upgraded across the ocean and SAT up
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there basically pouring glasses of free
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wine on the carpet
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he can get up slave while i was back in
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coach you know uh well which was a you
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know which was like but like Tatooine
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and then we get to Paris and Jonathan
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gets upgraded on an air france flight
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229 me needs air
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there ain't no upgrade like an air
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france upgrade we're just like you get
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the what and he's like as part of the
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fuckin star alliance or whatever see you
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later dork and went up there and was
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basically I mean it when he was
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basically like in an apology hat hitting
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people over the head with a loaf of
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French bread with and I think you know
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and i'm back in coach on a flight on an
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air france flight and it's just like
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okay all right well there are two
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banthas down there
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what's it that's right that's right i
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had my it doesn't like you I don't like
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you either just one good sir
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when he get out of France yeah give me a
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break you just watch yourself because
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couple yeah it's like it's like the guy
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that makes eyeballs in Blade Runner not
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the guy that makes eyeballs because it
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tells him where to get the guy that
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makes eyeballs haha the guy the guy in
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the cold room that one guy that's in
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everything that's right
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what's his name should know his name he
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isn't everything inside until he's the
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he's the 10 minutes 5 10 minutes
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mm because the best anyway i'll cut this
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up in a cage really want a Celine and
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JAC just moved in Apalachee hat
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yeah so then i get back to America and I
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run in Jason Finn my close friend and
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adviser and consigliere and I say Jason
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jonathan coulton smugly flew all the way
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across the world like just just content
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in it and with his fucking i went to
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Yale card in his wallet so he feels like
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that's all just part of its all what he
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deserves you-know-who and I'm like how
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do i what am I supposed to do and jason
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said first mistake you fly on whatever
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airline you need to you need to pick an
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airline and stick with it
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second mistake don't make the don't make
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the second mistake and he sent me a long
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he sent me these links to websites where
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people talk about their mileage plans I
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stood in one of these people there are
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websites where people do nothing but
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rate airline mileage plans
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yeah and the consensus is the Delta has
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the best one even though it's not as
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good as it used to be even though they
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change the carpet in the portland
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airport like it's like being dropped
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into the nicest oubliette
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oh this is much less moist in the other
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one but I i only have to wipe off my
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glasses every every 20 minutes early
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human shit into coordinates 0 5 stars so
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so i signed up for it anyway so now I'm
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you know in high hodgman and colder also
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on delta and so Hodgman all the time he
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loves to take me into the Delta Sky
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Lounge in various airports and we go
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into the delta sky lounge which is not a
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place I would go under any circumstances
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if i was living in an airport and I had
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if I was one of those people who was in
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immigration status where I had to live
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in JFK for a year I would rather sleep
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in front of us borrows then ever go into
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a delta sky lounge it's just like the
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most hateful place you're surrounded by
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like just that could that creepy class
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of young people that they're just there
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there there so.there swaddled in
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privilege and they're just so happy to
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eat like fucking cookies out of those
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little cupcake things like eating a free
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bagel and a banana and they're just
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gonna refill their fucking coffee
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yes it's like Rose was like a coffee
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machine and some bananas you know and
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and and some copy of copies of
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Businessweek like creating this but the
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people are the worst then it's so bad
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and hard-nosed they are he so he takes
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me in there we sit in the comfortable
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chairs and we look around and then it's
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just one of those situations like look
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oh my God look at this all coming in
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here just like oh my god this is awful
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but he loves to be in there and he loves
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to bring me in there and so anyway so
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I'm silver status and I'm just thinking
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like wacko wacko right and then I get
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upgraded to first class five out of six
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times and I feel like that's unheard of
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Jason I so I roll over on my belly and
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I'm like Delta stroke my tummy
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you know like I completely surrender all
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my dignity and now i'm sitting in the
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departure lounge i'm looking up at the
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little screen and it's just like my name
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is on the list my name is you know my
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three-letter yeah representation of my
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name is up there and then
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that I come up to the gate and I'm like
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come on Chabad couple i did you grow up
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hello hello come on come on come on
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they're like thing and now all of a
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sudden I'm sitting up front and I got a
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golden take a happy people are nice to
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me but the problem is on the last flight
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the woman next to me discovered that I
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was from Wales I don't know how I don't
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you know I don't know what happened but
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I was just a I let it slip out that my
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intelligence and and only only recently
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intelligence there was intelligence and
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emotions were the opposite of
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intelligence right i mean when i was a
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kid or even until recently emotional
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intelligent your emotions but other
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people that's our daughters access the
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real intelligence a hundred percent but
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emotion without feeling like it's
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emotions are real and we stared at each
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matt damon emotions are real emotions
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are real until I started crying and I
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think about a kind of physical
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intelligence of physical that this
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physicality that we see in people that
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language and there and when they're
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contemptuous of you know like it's just
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they're just a jock right just somebody
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are they going to sit down so that we
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physical expression it's not you know
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material world seems
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else's language and I should stop being
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experimental for me you know but it but
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somebody like that on an airplane and
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language and it's already a second
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language to them because what they
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really want to be doing is dancing or
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throwing a football or it you know
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physicality as a primary language yeah
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dancers are interesting because it's so
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athletic but also so very expressive
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applications of intelligent people all
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jobs and creating jobs right so writing
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dancing is to dance
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about dancing you could do movies about
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dancing but its experience about
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architecture you can dance if you want
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take out the cool huh
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games and playing very gently with some
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video games but you know my God look
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movie and he's like that's the thing the
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video game is not a movie like it looks
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haven't played them and exit don't know
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how to play them just as I can
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understand that dance is its own
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language of expression even though I
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can't dance so a video game is not a
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movie it's more like a masturbation hole
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don't even think it's funny that I'm
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surgeons you know there is we think of
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them as as knowledge workers right there
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brilliant surgeons apart is the
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physicality their ability to do Micro
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them so gifted and that's the you know
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people who express themselves in
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physicality or super good you know
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draftsman you know it it is a it is a
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physical talent that has been honed into
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challenge and the x axis as little skill
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challenge and very low level skill that
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very high level of skill and realizing
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that's a crossword puzzle
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tagging technically you know the way you
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could be anything it could be like you
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you're sick of the kind of slow thinking
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work that you have to do like you want
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something really monkey brain it's nice
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go into my contacts
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with a comb so often when i'm sitting in
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someplace boring where I don't have
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service and you never will never run out
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of that relaxing exercise know what I'm
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contacts and I'm gonna figure out all
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the things that aren't courage and all
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those people never duplicated Reverend
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or a brother or its anyway but that
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highly skilled produces a flow state and
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that's where you don't have to think
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about what you're doing real right i
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mean where you may be thinking about it
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but you lose track of time I think about
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when you really get your groove on with
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like doing something with a song and you
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kind of like you disappear into it and
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yeah so anyway this guy's like the only
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thing Merlin that I'm really highly
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skilled that is going through my
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i mean i don't really i cannot think of
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another thing okay i mean you know i
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said i said at home sometimes and
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separate tie tacks into little boxes
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ok now what level of challenges that is
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that low medium or high
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no I mean it's it is I feel like em boy
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that's a good question because if it's
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if it's a highly skilled with a medium
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the feeling of control
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that's right you know what there's no
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challenge to it it's just pleasurable
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that's relaxing better
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you're right now what do i do that is
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super challenging that I have a high
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for a high level of challenge if it's a
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very high level of challenge and you
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have a medium amount of skill that's
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arousal that's like oh I can do this boo
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and whereas again if you have a low
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level of skill that's anxiety
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how about that here's one if you have a
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medium level of skill and you have a low
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level of challenge that's boredom
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so you go from apathy to board them to
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relaxation anyone how higher skill is
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you know what it is i have had an
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interesting concept it is i have a high
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level of skill and a high level of
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challenge diagnosing other people's
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problems that gives you flow you got the
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flow i really have some flow and when
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that gets going it's going really well
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with my life and I'm like tell me more
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about your life and then they tell you
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and you're like hmm ok it's like
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dangling porkchop and for a wolf ok
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let's get started here so let me ask you
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a few questions i love that shit it's
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just like oh I just I get into this
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thing where I feel like I'm iceskating
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the Olympics so I just wanted so this
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does those kinds of things to qualify
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that what kind of job is this what your
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skills but then the the distinction the
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biggest distinction i was making in my
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head and I can't think of many to fit
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this is in order to produce the thing
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that you produce primarily with your job
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doesn't require any large muscle group
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apart from the gluteus right so you
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might have to move some office supplies
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around but mostly even if you're an
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architect you're mostly like you know
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you're using finer finer skills you're
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not using your shoulders that much right
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i mean units that i'm trying to get
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stuff besides dance and construction
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work like what are some other kinds of
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jobs where the primary thing that you do
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I mean how many jobs are the primary
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thing you do requires the coordination
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of large muscle groups that isn't like a
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blue-collar job how many yoga
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instructors are there little that's true
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there are there are there are two
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thousand yoga instructors for every
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3,000 people that's mandated certainly
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the other council certainly in the world
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that I live in at whenever somebody like
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whenever somebody's going through a life
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change right become a yoga instructor
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and you get audited by the other counsel
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you account for the council did you
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notice I'm carrying that then I did I
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ever tell you about the time I was in
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her book vancouver hotel room
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and I was laying in bed and I turn on
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the television and the channel that the
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cable was on i think it might have even
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been the maybe ice maybe I click the
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button once to get off of the hotel
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yeah they're all about the way too loud
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all about the hotel stay on being that
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are welcome to the black hotel so I
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clean reading is available till 11pm try
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our spa would you like to wear a watch
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an adult movie hot stone massage so i
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clicked on that I click on the button
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once and it immediately went to the yoga
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channel which I had never seen and I
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believe may be exclusive to Canada and
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so I was like yoga channel let's see
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what this is about and I laid back on my
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pillow while this woman did yoga and
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then it was clearly her she was
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narrating her yoga practice but but you
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know like an overdub her so as she did
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the yoga she was also describing what
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she was doing but but you couldn't see
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her mouth move because she was consumed
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by the yoga and she had a physicality
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that was unbelievable like the her
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flexibility and her the ability to do
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these yoga's and I watched for
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half-an-hour completely like drawn in
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who in a in a sense like what is she
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going to do next right
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like is she going to thread herself
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through the eye of a needle is this the
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path tab what you know is she doing
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permanent damage to herself she doesn't
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appear she looks very blissed-out and
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the thing was that her her narration was
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constant and by the tone of her voice
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and by her narration I knew that she was
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not going through the eye of a needle
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into heaven because I found her annoying
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and I'm sure God would to ever
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yeah but Wow a fantastic expression of
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like physical communication
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so that was probably the other ones too
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i guess in some ways being a trainer or
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coach would be another one is not that
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many you know performing or visual arts
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that require big muscles but I mean a
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footballer a baseball sure basketballer
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rockier hockey as they say in the DA
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write a a mean all of the sporters and
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then I even a racecar driver
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oh sure accounts that's that's pretty
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good supposedly pretty grueling you're
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just sitting there you know you're not
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riding the car you're driving it
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that's right and so tell me what do you
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think about skyscraper window washer uh
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well it's an interesting job to me right
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because you have to have a native i
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think a native ability to get up there
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on that scaffold and not and not be
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wearing adult diapers every day
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oh yeah I also think about things like
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oh yeah I also think about things like
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there's also these jobs that are such a
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like a corner case or an edge case think
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about being a piano tuner what a weird
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job that is your been a room in a
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pianist be in tune mean it's really
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are you kidding me that's another thing
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like the yoga channel I can't leave a
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room where pianos being you can all my
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goodness i remember the day in second
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grade when they tune the upright piano
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in our class and I thought my lunch I
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was going to lose my mind
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no well you know dial when I learned
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about tempering a piano
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oh my god i SAT around thinking I still
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think I really think I thought made that
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up idea at any temperature clavier well
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they do it you know of it and where
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everything is just where where things
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are slightly out of tune as they
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progress away from middle C and if
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they're not out of tune if they're all
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perfectly in tune the piano sounds
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bonkers and unfriendly so you have to
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you know things have to be and I hear
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about here this about guitar all the
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time I remember Eddie Van Halen speaking
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to me directly through the television
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back when there was still an MTV and he
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described that the b string on a guitar
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needs to be just slightly flat just a
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few cents flat in order for the guitar
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chords to sound nice
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and if your b string is tuned perfectly
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you're always going to feel a little bit
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out of tune which is why which is why I
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you know if you go with an electric
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tuner and you're just you're just really
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nailing the tuning it's always a little
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bit me and so having heard that in
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nineteen eighty interesting in it be
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what is the special nature of the be in
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that case well the be kind of doesn't
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belong almost later that's the that's
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the magic you know the B is sort of them
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the magic note where is the one way it
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yeah it's kind of it's off by one it's
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necessary to be there like that in order
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to make chords easy to player in order
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to make those three strings and imagine
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how my brain so I'm sorry I'm gonna be
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done four minutes they don't have a car
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right in front of me but that's the one
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that's not like a fifth at the second
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that's right not like the others
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it's so can you imagine
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like if you were the person who's coming
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up with the guitar like how your OCD
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tendencies would certainly be to make
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them all that way
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oh it's your you ever had to make that
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decision like how crazy that would make
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you feel just like women one of them has
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to be 11 step off but yeah it's actually
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gonna work way better and then no no
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there's no way that that's gonna make it
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work better because that DG be in the
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middle like so many guitar chords have
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DG be either either ringing open or
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barred as a as a single bar right that's
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a little Cordy gb but that'd be kind of
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em it just wants to be and so so my
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whole career i have i have tempered my
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be by a couple of sense when i'm tuning
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with an electric tuner I never heard
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this I never get it all the way to
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perfect i just leave it a little tiny
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bit flat and that's something that eddie
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van halen told me and when eddie van
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halen says something about guitars you
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kind of just have to set up a little bit
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and go alright alright Eddie Van Halen
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tell me what I'm supposed to know you
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say how high when he says jump
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that's right now very Clapton it told me
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that I wasn't like sure blues man but
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eddie van halen a bag of dicks clapped
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and inhaling invented a new he wanted a
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yeah he's the reason at all to Darrell's
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toccata to cup the Wow Bob river he
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invented Browns brown sound have been at
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the bride he invented the brown sound
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and then did I don't you remember
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self-same brown sound that makes people
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poop theoretic no don't know that's a
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ground Taylor that's the brownstone that
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you know a lot of people use brownstone
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in fact there was a clothing company in
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the in the mid-2000s called Brown sound
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and I think they were with a cop that
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for many van Halen and they used to send
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me free clothes huh
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but they were one of those clothing
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companies where an extra-large in brown
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sound close fit like a medium in
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carhartt clothes and I i was still
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making the transition to a new dressing
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don't remember that do you remember when
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there was a there was a moment and i
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think it was emo it was emo pioneered
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this maybe maybe primo you remember when
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they're low remember when there was a a
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pre emo but it was already emo it's just
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we hadn't invented that term yet i think
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so i mean you're talking about the early
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nineties mid-nineties yeah midnight the
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earlier earlier like but after after
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minor threat before Fugazi well i'm not
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talking about the sound of the music i'm
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talking about the style of the people
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we're all of a sudden you know like
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tight black not type like Levi's but
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tired like Ted Leo it well except that
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there was a moment that i recall when i
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first started seeing chubby kids by
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which i mean people that had my build
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who wearing super tight clothes super
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tight t-shirts super tight pants and I
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remember the first time I saw it I was
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like oh my god like that guy has my bill
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which is to say dad bod
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uh-huh or even a little bit more dad bod
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more than dad bod but he's wearing
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really tight clothes like he's proud of
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his body like that's like that is an
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acceptable rock and roll style and it
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was a gizmo swings when close it did not
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reflect the shame he's supposed to feel
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that's right like that you excuse me sir
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you should be dressed like a sleeping
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are you aware like I've called the
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dignity please write I said are you will
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rarely are you aware that you should not
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feel this good about yourself
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yeah for for all of recorded history
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Shelby people have worn mousse and you
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are fucking it up by wearing tight
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clothes and yet and yet sitting over
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here if I were talking if I were sitting
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over here in a group of people I would
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be duty-bound to say oh my God look at
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that look at that dummy but sitting over
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here by myself looking at you I can i
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must confess that you look a little sexy
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like you are a little bit of a husky
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person and yet it is sexy to me but i
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did not personally dare to go out of the
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house wearing tight clothes heaven no I
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that was when I made that was when I
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first made the transition to western
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shirts oh maybe western shirts will do
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the job of making me look like jay
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farrar but also concealing that I was
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husky it's the it's the it's the classic
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mistake that husky people made shirts
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are kinda like a form of razzle dazzle
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camouflage exactly and I did am I wrong
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am I just not just saying that to be
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clever i think that might actually be
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just exactly right right hard to tell
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where you are exactly waiting camouflage
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camouflage disguise your clothes western
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shirts disguise your gut and yet they
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disguise forgot and they make it seem
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like you know what maybe I'm one of
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those guys in Willie Nelson's band and
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also but you know what it does is the
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thing is like yeah you can wear a black
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t-shirt you can wear a black dress shirt
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but a western shirt it seems like an
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added stiffness where with alongside the
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razzle-dazzle decoration it kind of
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throws off the ability to guess what
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your chest to gut ratio is yes it's got
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a box eNOS to it that makes you look a
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little bit like Western royalty
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see I don't know if donald duck dunn
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ever actually wore a western shirt but
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donald duck dunn was was one of those
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influences where I was like nobody's
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ever gonna call out donald duck dunn or
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bunny Carlos and say you guys aren't
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rock-and-roll donald duck dunn and bunny
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Carlos are rock as fuck but also little
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husky he's are still around that right
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oh no you di'int 2012 who did donald
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duck dunn yeah oh well yeah I think he
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died of rock-and-roll who I think he
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died of having played the bass on green
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onions he's so cute when he was young
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looking very cute with the pipe and the
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times when when you listen to him being
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interviewed his real southern cracker
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who he you it's like holy cow
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but boy like what what a what a what a
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profound influence
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yep but that that whole sausage casing
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style of dressing I gradually came
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around to it when I well it was just
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very recently when i bought my first
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pair of skinny jeans
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and regardless of how they looked to
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people up close when I saw pictures of
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myself on stage in skinny jeans I
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realize if you're in show business
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people want to see your legs if you're
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in show business people want to see your
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legs that's right they want to see the
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contours of your legs at all right so if
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thought of it that way they don't
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normally see your legs they want to see
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your legs this is your legs this is why
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baseball uniforms and football uniforms
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socks well it Ichiro always wear the
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model it's really you know you still
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that still it's like it's like in the US
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now I don't know if that's true anymore
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when was last time you saw an army man
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who had a mustache who wasn't in the
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Special Forces and gay bar
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well no I mean this is a round of the
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different army man yeah right now you
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don't see that so much they had that
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service unless they're boarding the
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plane in front of me
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all the the shows about the military
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doing special ops tonight sure
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oh y'all all the great says all the
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great special options at but in any case
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yeah they want to see your legs I don't
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know why but I want to see your legs too
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if you get up there on this is the other
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thing about like cowboy era Deadwood era
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listeners oh I'm sorry that's right
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trousers they have they have a laugh
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when we say with a pants
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do they have a good laugh that's a laugh
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that speedo in England who got to learn
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it's like when they put out the the
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chevy car that in Spanish means it
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doesn't go to buy a new no bra but uh
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huh uh but I i love those pants those
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cowboy pants and I and and I went into a
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tailor one time and I was like why can
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you never find cowboy pants and they
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were like oh you mean stove pipe
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oh right and I was like stove pipe and
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they were like guess the leg is
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perfectly straight in a stovepipe aunt
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it is not tapered so you're going to
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select Seth Bullock pants money will
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accept from what from deadwood when you
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have any he's walking around with his
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hands arms down real straight decides
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he's got yeah that's a good look
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yeah so so the pants are they they have
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to be kind of tight too and difficult to
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get on right because your foot is your
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foot is going through a pipe that is the
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same with at the ankle that it is at the
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at the hip or whatever so you're just
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like you gotta like really point your
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toe and get those things on and then
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like a good cowboy never take them off
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right once you've got your pants on
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we're gonna take them off
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i've been i've been wearing the same
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pants for about a month now
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sure so you can let your pants down
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because our new you know the procedure
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you gotta wear them you gotta wear them
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until you break them you gotta break
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uh-huh right the pants are on you know
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when i sleep anymore I used to I used to
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sleep in them and now I don't do that
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anymore i stick bath sentimental do that
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now I just wear them everyday did you
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ever wear them into the ocean who I
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remember when those when the first like
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selvedge premium denims came out who i
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hate to talk about all the three should
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have gotten by one time I was in Austin
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and we played an in-store at a panel
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like uppity men's clothing boutique when
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these things were brand-new and at in
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they gave me two pairs of what I'm sure
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salesperson said listen you're not meant
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to wash these and i was like huh
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and he said to get them to fit properly
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you really should wait into the ocean
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with them on and I was like this is that
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you guys are in austin how do you and
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he's like we make special trip to the
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he went into the ocean mr. and and I and
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I really do think he was like he wasn't
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saying that he was saying that the
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saltwater did something but what he was
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really saying is that you need to break
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the jeans spirit
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uh-huh or a rather tame the spirit of
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the genes like I like a mustang that's
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right liked a Mustang like the like the
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white horse on the Turkish trained in
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lawrence of arabia huh
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you are our Perseus with the with the
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flying horse my horse excellent Harry
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Hamlin yeah so you by levis 501 on one
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uh-huh and then you put them on and
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they're like Perseus yeah it's a lot
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like first yes and i have ai want to
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keep your story i'm gonna have a certain
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procedure one thing I do is I i adjust
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the cuff every time I wear them so they
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don't wear into a single cough pattern
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don't get one fold in a.m sometimes
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that's the rookie mistake is now you're
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so later on down the road when the genes
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effects then you unroll the cuffs and
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there's not a dramatic line
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yeah yeah I i like them to be big that's
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why I get these pants i like i like a
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big overall and yeah but then we'll be
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able to accommodate your box so what you
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need big pans I'd any big event big boy
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yes so one of the things i do that's
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mostly just wear them everyday you where
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we sitting where we stand you when you
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lay down your mom all day until you go
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to bed you can sleep and I have slept in
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the past but and you don't wash them and
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then now the three years for life and it
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only wash them in water
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let me ask you this I you know I know
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that you you aren't typically this way
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but do you ever take your once you've
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been wearing a pair of jeans for a while
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and once they have shown there he gay
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I don't know that her oh he gay
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now what is that he won yay he gay is a
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japanese term for the little mustache of
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where lines that form around your crotch
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specifically your crotch well sure
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and the little the little mustaches that
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form are like cat whiskers emanating
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from the cat knows of your penis head I
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never never heard that term or that
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concept and that is he gay and that is
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from the that is from the Japanese
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fascinate or the japanese vintage gene
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market if you're if you're nineteen
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sixties red tab red selvedge jeans which
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you paid twenty thousand dollars for a
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lot of what you're buying there is
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really nice he gay
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so when when you are wearing in a new
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and you have developed at first he gay
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who do you ever sometimes take your
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jeans off and lay them on the floor and
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appreciate them from the floor not till
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well that's what i'm saying i know that
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i think i should do that I know this
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isn't a thing that is is typical of you
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but once you've got some good he gay go
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and take your jeans off put them on the
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floor lay them out and then just stand
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back and see them look at it look at it
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for what it is that's right see them for
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what see them for what they are which is
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an extension of your emotion they
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represent your have to just be the
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crotch John just imagine that I think I
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think the we're around the rest of the
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genes the he gave that happens on your
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near whatever doesn't look like cat
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whiskers I say so it probably has a
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different i do like to admire them
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whatever we're for a while and put them
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down and they still look like me without
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me anyway that's very I think i'm doing
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my work hope for sure
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look at that like there is a record of
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me written i don't even have to be there
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they understand me so much that I don't
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have to be there to be my pants you can
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stand in the corner and they will do
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stay will do small administrative tasks
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for you right people come into your
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office and they have a stupid question
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for you you're the heat can answer
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let's be let's let's pick up some more
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tape hey Merlin's pants
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what do i do about what do i do about
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the do i have to move the car when the
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parking changes out front rolls parents
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coaches have another one day but you
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don't want to get this work thanks pants
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Lee expats that's so that is something I
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mean you know I in fact Merlin's pants
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want once went and got dim sum for us i
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remember about to go oh shit oh shit my
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own space let me get that
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oh that must have been heavy what school
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until that room you look at that stick
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if I'm glad the New Orleans fan speaking
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mr. Bill's voice no mr. why I really
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needed a cough button for this episode
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is you know I don't know yet what did it
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seem like I was coffee and clear my
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throat more or or a normal amount john
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hale and hearty to me
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see thats a uu maybe you may have like
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Stockholm Syndrome
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oh really i've been in the closet so
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long i'm starting to like it
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do you really no other podcasters that
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use cough button is a normal thing
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people some people write me all the time
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and send me links to cough buttons as
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though I'm as though i take advice from
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people i will i will tell you something
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that may shock and surprise you it is
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typical is typical for someone who is
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doing any kind of broadcasting has
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something called a cough button which
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comes from there they still have this on
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radio you still compassion french coffee
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coffee bhutan yep from like I'll and
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bhutan and so you are in radio you hit
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that button when you have to cough and
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you don't have to excuse me or something
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you don't cough on the air most
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podcasters will try not to make noise
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with her mouth on the air and then you
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know and so you use a cop button john
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zakappa button I mute occasionally but
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you're ready here this shocking surprise
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a lot of people out there i keep the
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mute button on during the entire time of
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the recording and just unmute long
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enough to say that thing they wanted to
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say kind of like a walkie-talkie
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how do I just bear in mind yeah how do
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their fans hear them breathing and
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wheezing and a well i'm in particular
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chuckling and laughing and snorting
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given the current technology i'm going
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to say they don't buy it doesn't feel to
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me at all but i know this is that record
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with people with it will be like but it
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you know like you hear them just like
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coming because they didn't the button
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fast enough that it can imagine living
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no no it seems to me like like some kind
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of some kind of tyranny I can trying not
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to let maybe their mouth breathers but
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you know what I'm a mouth breather
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well I mean that's the yahoo you just
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got made you I'm just cut maybe sir i
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feel i feel like this crystal fruit like
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that that's one of the reasons that that
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people listened but they're not all the
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time you know what it is Merlin all the
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time I look at these I look at these
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podcast award ceremony
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Jesus where everybody shows up in there
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blue tuxedos and they walked down the
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magic carpet and they get the podcast II
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like the award of podcast e whatever
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yes set of gold-plated headphones and or
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you know when people go on facebook and
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they're like you tell me what your
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favorite podcast is and I'm like here we
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all like Marc Maron cereal
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yeah and i'm like as i know a lot of a
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wine oh come on and it may be really
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think that ya know because I feel like
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our podcast our award-winning podcast
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which has never won any awards some kids
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anymore its please
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but no no I want awards you want to
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watch okay can we will work just for
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your part of the podcast want but yeah I
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want anything sadder than the idea of a
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podcast award it's just really so
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oh my god who are you gonna brag to you
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about winning a podcast to court and I
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don't want to talk about myself for a
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fortnight gotta rip it to pieces like I
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want a white ribbon for the i-i-i all
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the time described our podcast as the
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award-winning rhetoric on the line and
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without fail every single time I do it
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somebody's like what award did you win
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and I'm and then I'm left saying well I
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mean I'm gonna get back to this cross
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with her and I'm kidding I'm kidding
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when I say award-winning but there's a
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little part of me that dies and what I
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want to be invited to is the Australian
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podcast awards you know like I don't
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want to win a headphone I want to win
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went up a browser or whatever they say
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down there is headphone thing is that
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really a award that's really funny he
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just made that up
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well it's just like a little set of gold
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headphones but only one of them is
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touching the base right it's like
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they're they're a little bit off-center
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so the other headphones kind of sticking
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up in the air and it's just like there
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there little bit and puts like a gold
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base and they're kind of balanced head
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that's pretty good so you're going to
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go into your living room
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no you would not I would not i would not
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would you put it in a box i have to move
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socks so it would be up there with it
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girl has to be there I Wilberforce I
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are not going to accept this headphone I
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dolls of all the presidents of the
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united states and some and various
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models of the airplanes that my father
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better this is sudden you're allowing
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never display it but i can't throw it
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it's like a hilarious white ribbon is a
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great white ribbon tweeter the year for
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tweets he was very prominent Seattle
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twitter he has 6000 Twitter followers
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equivalent of of being a good the brain
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skill at it and I'm you know I've got a
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doctor waiting out there do you don't
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think how many people could do what I do
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ask now I know it'sit's I just now is a
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city writes an unbelieving overlooked
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where he took all the drugs and he drove
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his Lamborghini home and then it turns
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power who and who listening to our
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Tyler Durden all along hope
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make me a bucket head phony and send it
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to me and some kind of gag you just made
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it up right i we I one okay i want there
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australia and new zealand and zach is
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one it's got its gonna be like the
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american association for what is the
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motion picture arts and sciences you
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hollywood foreign press association that
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kind of thing in your name Paul invented
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aging rock star and they always come and
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he gives it two minutes just nothing
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something like we're going to Australia
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have a reason to go to Australia I want
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desperately to go to Australia but I
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don't have a reason nobody's invited me
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i don't want to just go down there and
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walk around like some dingo anywhere you
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want to meet him
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got a plan the trip yeah well it's not i
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there with a plan i want i want is not
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simply walk into Australia John that's
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not on a walkabout
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no I want to go there is a professional
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person to accept an award that i
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shit but much to ask the things that
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anyone to know we are pioneering podcast
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nobody knows what it is
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so why not just make it what we want
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that's right now you need other people
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we're in ridiculously early days
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months to forget podcast exist before
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to this from any other way as soon as he
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inventor but he's a pirate right Jesse
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you're not making me uncomfortable more
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maybe a holograph of me could be there
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when you accept you're very brave ward
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so hot walk onstage I want this
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thunderous applause for Australians who
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we've all we all know clap hard
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oh I don't know I've been in New Zealand
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i could not get any reaction from the is
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new zealand's are the new zealand's or
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the Canadians of Australia my but they
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that was that was North American
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gonna get letters this time it's gonna
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I i love Canada so much more than you
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and everybody knows it
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what have you ever been to edmonton
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that John knows names of places game
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yes I've been all of them John you can
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tell you where to go to get a white
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ribbon in all of them
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yeah right well and so a lot of people
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like not qualified to say that I like
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canadians a lot of people like you think
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that that's all that there is to Canada
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toupee of America
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you don't know what Mexico is my right
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you could you could you could say that
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walking up on the stage there's a
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hologram of me there's kind of three
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turkey was i'm in a blue i'm in a
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midnight blue tuxedo and then something
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