The Incomparable

195: Peak Crate


  the incomparable number 195 may 2014 [TS]

  welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

  the podcast that likes to draft things [TS]

  because i have obsessed with drafting [TS]

  things all the things will be drafted [TS]

  eventually culminating in our draft [TS]

  draft we draft the biggest the best [TS]

  drafts that we've ever done but until [TS]

  then we will do this draft this draft is [TS]

  a follow-up to our video game draft we [TS]

  promised we would come back and talk [TS]

  about computer games and so here we are [TS]

  to talk about computer game so games [TS]

  that you do on a computer as opposed to [TS]

  a video game console or mobile device or [TS]

  such [TS]

  and we're going to be a judge ruthlessly [TS]

  by the judges my judging panel is me I'm [TS]

  ruthless joining me and this will be i [TS]

  roll for initiative before the podcast I [TS]

  would introduce them in the order in [TS]

  which they will pick oh so did more'n oh [TS]

  no what you got like a 99 you are first [TS]

  hello [TS]

  oh my god this never happens I draft all [TS]

  the things [TS]

  yeah you can't do that but but get ready [TS]

  get ready your first up Monty ashley is [TS]

  also here he is our second picker [TS]

  excellent haha very good Erica and sign [TS]

  is here she is our third picker lucky [TS]

  number three [TS]

  yeah you're in a good that's a good [TS]

  position i was like to be in sort of the [TS]

  middle when we're drafting that's a good [TS]

  good place to be [TS]

  of course I'm always last but I dream [TS]

  about the middle [TS]

  Tony sindelar is our fourth-place picker [TS]

  that's not such a great number [TS]

  it's not that great but it's okay it's [TS]

  okay i think it means death [TS]

  I was seriously disappointed that Steve [TS]

  let's was our fifth place picker and not [TS]

  dead last [TS]

  because that's what i like to put him [TS]

  but I'm not exceedingly happy about that [TS]

  myself [TS]

  yeah and John siracusa you are number [TS]

  six [TS]

  how are you going to judge things that [TS]

  you've never heard of them curious about [TS]

  that I the internet or random dice at [TS]

  this computer game is pretty great but [TS]

  you probably haven't heard of it [TS]

  was originally developed for the [TS]

  oscilloscope is that character I've got [TS]

  I've got dice to roll randomly if I need [TS]

  to just make a choice you must get [TS]

  yourself a timex sinclair junk for this [TS]

  will blow your mind you can all be [TS]

  emulated it is possible to work around [TS]

  this judge by the way I've worked with [TS]

  this guy before it's good yes you can I [TS]

  i I'm open their put their possibilities [TS]

  draft judge is not always cruel to is [TS]

  punching holes in punchcards considered [TS]

  a game because and then feeding them [TS]

  into the computer because that's its a [TS]

  game on a computer game [TS]

  I mean it you're putting them into the [TS]

  computer it's a card game [TS]

  not all games played with computers are [TS]

  computer God interesting for example the [TS]

  game of tech support [TS]

  yeah not a game pattycake not a game if [TS]

  you play with your computer [TS]

  yeah not a game that game where you play [TS]

  chess where different models of computer [TS]

  or each of the pieces on the giant bored [TS]

  of that game game theory not a game that [TS]

  that was disappointing that was the [TS]

  worst class neighborhood that classic to [TS]

  Mac classic for its funny until you meet [TS]

  for how they'll move is the problem and [TS]

  you gotta remember it the mat classic [TS]

  only moves by throwing it halfway across [TS]

  the board [TS]

  alright so computer games dan more in [TS]

  picture computer game [TS]

  all right well I'm gonna start off with [TS]

  what I think might be the the most [TS]

  possible like the one then people most [TS]

  likely to snipe and that is in 1994 [TS]

  LucasArts game tie fighter now huh [TS]

  I typewriter which is I one of the best [TS]

  games i think i ever played and as with [TS]

  many of the games on my list [TS]

  this is this is about people dressed in [TS]

  formal wear fighting [TS]

  yes they are very tuxedos and they make [TS]

  you cum foo it's great it's great you [TS]

  got people with your tie bow tie fighter [TS]

  was the sequel less bow tie fighter less [TS]

  successful cummerbund something go [TS]

  anyway [TS]

  yeah lots of options yeah well as with [TS]

  many of the games on my list this was a [TS]

  game i primarily played at some like one [TS]

  of my friends houses because I didn't [TS]

  have a pc don't forget about the sequel [TS]

  50 cufflinks [TS]

  there we go thanks to you for bailing me [TS]

  out of that [TS]

  one and some joke about cummerbund that [TS]

  i can think of i was working that when [TS]

  you when you brought it up but I had to [TS]

  change anyway now that broderbund / [TS]

  cover back [TS]

  sure there's there's something there [TS]

  somewhere [TS]

  cummerbund challenge will work on it and [TS]

  get back to you at the end of the draft [TS]

  yeah guys workshop that are equally [TS]

  timing and time and stuff going first [TS]

  yeah it's hazing really yeah why would [TS]

  you say I think the thing that's most [TS]

  sort of in my head that I remember about [TS]

  this game is not only that there was the [TS]

  whole like space simulation aspect of it [TS]

  which was obviously great but there was [TS]

  a whole sort of weird side plot as you [TS]

  got higher and higher up in this like [TS]

  secret society within the Empire so much [TS]

  so that when you're at the mission [TS]

  select screen if you mouse over you like [TS]

  you see the guy's arm and your mouse [TS]

  over it and his sleeve would slide up [TS]

  and he would have like a tattoo like [TS]

  indicated he was in this secret branch [TS]

  of the Empire and we get more and more [TS]

  elaborate right exactly as he got more [TS]

  and more level to get more and more [TS]

  elaborate and there was like this whole [TS]

  plot in there you know about sort of [TS]

  what this group was doing and you have [TS]

  to find space ships around and shoot [TS]

  stuff and I don't know it was it was [TS]

  incredible to me as a you know 14 year [TS]

  old or so and and of course chose TIE [TS]

  fighter over the the previous Lucas our [TS]

  space in x-wing because indeed he's a [TS]

  bad man because it's not because it's [TS]

  better we all know it's better [TS]

  it was it was it was actually it's [TS]

  pretty good don't get me wrong but like [TS]

  actually was very much a straight-up [TS]

  simulation right where this is actually [TS]

  had like a storyline there's a little [TS]

  more going there it built on all the [TS]

  previous ones right and it was followed [TS]

  by a couple other sequels which added [TS]

  multiplayer which is cool though i never [TS]

  had like enough friends with computers [TS]

  connected in a way that we could [TS]

  actually play multiplayer games so i was [TS]

  pretty much stuck with just the first [TS]

  player my my friend and I used to play [TS]

  this with two of us sitting there [TS]

  because it was all so complicated with [TS]

  like rearranging your shield power and [TS]

  various like it was such it was it [TS]

  really a simulation it's not just a [TS]

  point-and-click thing so one of us had [TS]

  to like fly around with the other person [TS]

  was like working all the computer stuff [TS]

  that's a hallmark of computer games too [TS]

  i played many computers to people at one [TS]

  computer because there's so many damn [TS]

  Keys magnetic warriors another one [TS]

  almost all of the games on my list i [TS]

  think we played at least in part in that [TS]

  way just because it was it was like [TS]

  multiplayer before multiplayer was [TS]

  really a thing [TS]

  so Dan did you want did you choose which [TS]

  one of you is going to be the droid and [TS]

  then that one only could go Boop [TS]

  I guess that's x-wing sorry there are no [TS]

  joints and tie fighters please [TS]

  are there little those little black [TS]

  boxes on thai fighter to those guys just [TS]

  flying by themselves they leave the they [TS]

  leave those guys back in the hangar or [TS]

  just saturday like they waved goodbye [TS]

  so that's what you would do is one of [TS]

  you would play the little black box left [TS]

  the hangar and go sit in the corner [TS]

  while the other person had an adventure [TS]

  Jason please call it a mouse droid also [TS]

  when you I have to know for those of you [TS]

  who i mean which is mostly around in the [TS]

  early i think this rain on my calf may [TS]

  be 46 r pentium personally like that [TS]

  23 cd-rom ya did well i do remember [TS]

  computers that had turbo buttons on them [TS]

  like like Knight Rider [TS]

  yeah we had to change the clock speed [TS]

  will you change the fucking speed of the [TS]

  computer [TS]

  well because if you ran certain like das [TS]

  games they would run too fast so if you [TS]

  ran this in das because they all ran [TS]

  indoors as well as I think there was [TS]

  later windows version but if you're [TS]

  indoors like everything went super fast [TS]

  and you can do anything that's like slow [TS]

  down the clock speed so I'm looking at [TS]

  the box right now and it says 486 DX 266 [TS]

  minimum required [TS]

  yeah there you go so you have some [TS]

  hardcore why yes i think we played down [TS]

  a pentium which we had to slow down 246 [TS]

  speeds in order to play it das sure why [TS]

  would you need more than that [TS]

  did you have the requisite eight [TS]

  megabytes of RAM maybe that was from iio [TS]

  it was my computer man yeah totally [TS]

  totally using my friends computer for [TS]

  this turbo buttons were on the pc 80 i [TS]

  believe which would run Red Baron too [TS]

  fast if you have the turbo button [TS]

  Preston so the turbo button long [TS]

  predates 4600 I remember particularly [TS]

  enjoying the game because it was heavily [TS]

  inspired by kind of the traditional [TS]

  flight simulator games so there were [TS]

  entire sequences to it that were not [TS]

  like really action-packed or what you [TS]

  would consider enjoyable but they left [TS]

  this is what it would like their [TS]

  missions were like you fly around a TIE [TS]

  fighter and have to scan cargo ships to [TS]

  make sure they were like had their [TS]

  registration up-to-date and then like [TS]

  something what happened but it'd be like [TS]

  you're going to scan cargo ships for 20 [TS]

  minutes [TS]

  this is what you do when you work for [TS]

  the Empire deal with it i spent a really [TS]

  long time trying to get this to work in [TS]

  a DA simulator and you can I could get [TS]

  it to work with the problem is it really [TS]

  doesn't play well without a joystick and [TS]

  you're getting the mouse to emulate [TS]

  joystick doesn't really work [TS]

  great now I played I think I played [TS]

  x-wing with a with a joystick and and [TS]

  boy was that was hard did see a little [TS]

  bit like I wasn't playing a game so much [TS]

  as being trained in how to fly an x-wing [TS]

  you used to like fly through the troops [TS]

  and stuff like that yeah I've got the [TS]

  collector series which was remastered [TS]

  for windows 95 maybe you'd have better [TS]

  luck with that [TS]

  yeah when they also have a I think it [TS]

  added an expansion or two as well there [TS]

  were some there were some add-ons [TS]

  interest on to tie fighter and yeah so I [TS]

  don't mostly the nursing about this is [TS]

  probably Star Wars related nerding yeah [TS]

  it keeps being one of those ones that [TS]

  you hope that they'll do some kind of [TS]

  release but now with LucasArts current [TS]

  state that seems I mean non-existent [TS]

  that state [TS]

  yeah for years I wanted an extra xbox [TS]

  arcade version of this game [TS]

  I mean you see that yeah it seems like [TS]

  that's if you know there's probably [TS]

  there's other games higher up in the [TS]

  list and we're probably never going to [TS]

  see those it's a really popular game i [TS]

  mean if you look back at like the awards [TS]

  it won like it's on a bunch of like [TS]

  greatest games list and stuff like that [TS]

  i mean and i think the star wars name [TS]

  you know this is one of the better star [TS]

  wars games ever made to highbar didn't [TS]

  they just aren't the beta testing an [TS]

  x-wing game that runs in the brow in the [TS]

  browser there is a there's a flash one I [TS]

  actually have a managed to snag a beta [TS]

  invite to it [TS]

  yeah it's not bad but it's much more of [TS]

  a modern type game where it's like you [TS]

  know don't worry too much about that [TS]

  it's more of a twitch game than a [TS]

  simulation but it has its entertainment [TS]

  all right tie fighter good pic first pic [TS]

  that was that was a solid pick their dan [TS]

  that's all the time we have folks [TS]

  tonight [TS]

  yeah right everybody thinks you turning [TS]

  in for thai fighter top again [TS]

  oh my god it's going to be in [TS]

  syndication it's going to be great yeah [TS]

  it is monty your it's your turn [TS]

  I'm going to 1986 I think will be the [TS]

  high point of computer games like some [TS]

  kind of dust ballgame tom joad versus [TS]

  the turtle that's the game it [TS]

  this is Trinity by infocar I is a text [TS]

  adventure that starts with a nuclear [TS]

  bomb going off over London then kind of [TS]

  goes into a mary poppins thing before [TS]

  being sort of an Alice in Wonderland [TS]

  inspired Rob through the history of [TS]

  nuclear weaponry [TS]

  oh yeah right it is amazing sasti [TS]

  maretskiy right Brian Moriarty oh it's [TS]

  Moriarty okay yeah I'm thinking mind [TS]

  forever voyaging I guess yeah Monty if I [TS]

  had to predict that you would pick an [TS]

  infocomm game for your first pick i [TS]

  would i would have correctly picked that [TS]

  that is exactly what I wanted [TS]

  what about you wouldn't this is the one [TS]

  with the radioactive symbol on it it's [TS]

  not yeah and you drag the feelings that [TS]

  came with it were how to fold an origami [TS]

  crane and a little cardboard sundial [TS]

  which even explain for some of our [TS]

  younger audience what feelings are [TS]

  originally anybody could copy computer [TS]

  games then copy protection became [TS]

  invented then copy protection got broken [TS]

  then that lapse those last two cycles [TS]

  repeated a hundred times an infocomm [TS]

  came up with this brilliant idea of [TS]

  putting things in their game like for [TS]

  the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy [TS]

  you got a pair of parallel sensitive [TS]

  sunglasses that would turn black [TS]

  whenever there is peril the joke of [TS]

  course being that they were solid black [TS]

  cardboard so there was always parallel [TS]

  right and that way they could both give [TS]

  you something fun like little a [TS]

  cardboard sundial you could fold and [TS]

  also refer to it in the game as kind of [TS]

  mock copy protection so you have to look [TS]

  at your feelings and answer questions or [TS]

  something depending on how suddenly they [TS]

  did it [TS]

  I like looking stuff up in the manual [TS]

  you have to do in about like on page 27 [TS]

  what's the third we're in the fifth [TS]

  paragraph yeah or because infocomm was a [TS]

  little more subtle that they include a [TS]

  comic book and you have to read the [TS]

  comic book so you know what Rex master [TS]

  don like to drink so when that came up [TS]

  in the game you would say i don't really [TS]

  like to drink that example is from the [TS]

  very classy game leather goddesses of [TS]

  Phobos there's nothing like the leaders [TS]

  to Larry how perfect [TS]

  remember that one where they would ask [TS]

  your questions yeah before the game [TS]

  started [TS]

  I remember sitting next to someone in [TS]

  college who that who was really [TS]

  struggling with those questions was kind [TS]

  of sad like it's like Nick's it was like [TS]

  you know you know who was president in [TS]

  1986 and you know they're asking things [TS]

  like I have hair on my head be lots of [TS]

  places so you think about house I was [TS]

  like what kind of questions they would [TS]

  ask you to trip up five-year-olds those [TS]

  questions have come back to haunt them [TS]

  because if you get at the if you get the [TS]

  lost treasures of infocomm i think it is [TS]

  the cd-rom that has a bunch of their old [TS]

  games on it it comes with the PDF of all [TS]

  the documentation but it's missing some [TS]

  so you can't actually play bureaucracy [TS]

  you get about a third of the way through [TS]

  and asks who is conspiring to destroy [TS]

  the country and you don't know because [TS]

  you don't have the fire this is it's the [TS]

  dentist's which is actually sort of [TS]

  perfect when you think about it that's [TS]

  all parts all part of the game [TS]

  yeah exactly now you have to go they [TS]

  knew you'd have to go on the internet to [TS]

  find that out because by then infocomm [TS]

  was owned by activision which is a [TS]

  bureaucracy of its own sort yeah it's [TS]

  perfect so I'm very fond of text [TS]

  adventures i still have them on every [TS]

  computer or device that i own and [TS]

  trinity i think is the best one so I'm [TS]

  taking Trinity alright that's that's [TS]

  great and should be in le simulation [TS]

  allows us to play many of these games i [TS]

  think which is nice [TS]

  well you don't even need emulation [TS]

  because infocomm wrote their own [TS]

  language which was how they were how [TS]

  they really get it on every platform at [TS]

  the time so people just written [TS]

  interpreters and I have their i have one [TS]

  on my iphone i believe for my ipad very [TS]

  nice [TS]

  Erica it's your turn who [TS]

  well for my pic i am going to take you [TS]

  back to the healthy on Days of the early [TS]

  nineties and and a game that I genuinely [TS]

  think i would not be the same person now [TS]

  if i hadn't discovered this game at the [TS]

  time and that is ultimate seven part one [TS]

  the black gate [TS]

  Oh [TS]

  yes you see my mom took my siblings and [TS]

  I shopping and said we could get one [TS]

  computer game and of course there was an [TS]

  argument you know we went to american TV [TS]

  and appliance run by crazy Lenny crazy [TS]

  TV Lenny I kid you not that was that was [TS]

  the store and they sold computers in [TS]

  addition to televisions and furniture [TS]

  and in procedure ators and things that's [TS]

  clearly happen isn't it just [TS]

  that's Lenny for you and so there were [TS]

  two games that my brother and I were [TS]

  arguing over and I can't even remember [TS]

  who was pulling for which game it was [TS]

  between ultimate seven and i think it [TS]

  was King's Quest six probably and one of [TS]

  us one I like to think it was me because [TS]

  really i like to think it was me and I [TS]

  decide we decided to go with ultimate [TS]

  seven and that game became the center of [TS]

  our world for I don't even know how many [TS]

  how long it was it was months because [TS]

  you know we are it's a good call if [TS]

  you're if you're told you only pick one [TS]

  game always pick the one that takes six [TS]

  hundred years to complete it was so [TS]

  wonderful we got at home and we pulled [TS]

  out the i think it was twelve five and a [TS]

  quarter floppy inch 2.5 and quarter inch [TS]

  floppy disks and you know took a million [TS]

  years loading them up on to our ancient [TS]

  ancient computer and will now ancient [TS]

  even at the time it wasn't super new but [TS]

  it wasn't enough to play that game [TS]

  barely half the time the mouse wouldn't [TS]

  work and we would have to use the [TS]

  keyboard commands which let me tell you [TS]

  not a whole lot of fun although the day [TS]

  we discovered that when you Preston [TS]

  shift and hit the arrow keys you walked [TS]

  faster was a great great day for our [TS]

  family but anyway so the ultimate series [TS]

  had been around for quite a while at [TS]

  that point but I had never heard of it [TS]

  so this was my first introduction to the [TS]

  game where you are transported from the [TS]

  real world into this you know compute [TS]

  this different land that we can access [TS]

  through the computer and the thing that [TS]

  I love about it the most is just the [TS]

  fact that it's such an open world and [TS]

  you can really just go anywhere and do [TS]

  anything once you get past sort of the [TS]

  first the first little little challenge [TS]

  you start out in a city which I love [TS]

  it's called trinsic so you're starting [TS]

  intrinsic which is wonderful because you [TS]

  have to learn all [TS]

  of the basics of the game all the things [TS]

  that are intrinsic to playing the game [TS]

  so when you're starting off with the pun [TS]

  like that how can you possibly go wrong [TS]

  but after that every pretty much [TS]

  anywhere in the entire realm is open to [TS]

  you in a lot of games that are sort of [TS]

  like that the strength of the monsters [TS]

  sort of keeps you wear your [TS]

  quote-unquote supposed to be and hear [TS]

  that rarely happens you could kind of go [TS]

  just about anywhere and sort of avoid [TS]

  the monsters and get way ahead of [TS]

  yourself if you wanted and and i love [TS]

  that and I the only thing that I kind of [TS]

  found a little frustrating the first [TS]

  time through was just that we could only [TS]

  have a party of of so many people so you [TS]

  had to pick and choose and after playing [TS]

  through the first time and having it be [TS]

  this super important thing in our lives [TS]

  i mean we would have snow days off from [TS]

  school and my brother and sister and I [TS]

  would sit we had a piano bench instead [TS]

  of a computer chair and the three of us [TS]

  would sit next to each other on the [TS]

  piano bench playing ultimate seven we [TS]

  would take turns you know one person we [TS]

  get to run that the mouths of the [TS]

  keyboard and then we would have to [TS]

  switch off because otherwise mom would [TS]

  yell at us because somebody would [TS]

  complain and we would literally spend 11 [TS]

  or 12 hours that has been a stretch just [TS]

  all sitting together and I think my [TS]

  parents let us do that because we [TS]

  weren't arguing with each other and [TS]

  nobody was hitting hitting the other one [TS]

  because we were just so completely [TS]

  involved in this game so we created our [TS]

  party and I think I don't know how many [TS]

  more times I have played through [TS]

  ultimate seven but i have to play with [TS]

  the same party because I feel like they [TS]

  are family members I feel like they're [TS]

  my friends I met them so long ago that [TS]

  every time I every time I go through my [TS]

  goal maybe I'll take Julia this time but [TS]

  then like who do I get rid of nobody I [TS]

  just can't do it [TS]

  and speaking of Julia would have been [TS]

  nice to have a female in the party just [TS]

  couldn't make that happen because if [TS]

  they all became too late but I loved [TS]

  loved loved the fact that i could play [TS]

  as a female character as the avatar and [TS]

  that was something that you don't see [TS]

  very often unfortunately the only choice [TS]

  was blonde which they think they opened [TS]

  up in an ultimate seven-part to serpent [TS]

  Isle you are you were able to to change [TS]

  your features and you can play as a [TS]

  brunette which would have been more [TS]

  appropriate but after spending so many [TS]

  is playing and replaying as the blonde I [TS]

  just I couldn't change i'm in such a [TS]

  creature of habit but there are lots of [TS]

  references and in jokes and things that [TS]

  I absolutely did not get at the time [TS]

  because i was just too young for it but [TS]

  I i think that it was it's a credit to [TS]

  the the story that those jokes not [TS]

  knowing those jokes doesn't detract from [TS]

  it at all so like you know the [TS]

  Fellowship is this mysterious sort of [TS]

  culty new church that's doing that [TS]

  sprung up and you know that supposed to [TS]

  be sort of a riff on Scientology well I [TS]

  didn't get it at the time but now I [TS]

  think it just makes the game even deeper [TS]

  and it came with feelings too [TS]

  we had a cloth map and a little metal [TS]

  fellowship token in the copy protection [TS]

  for ultimate seven was asking questions [TS]

  about longitude and latitude on the map [TS]

  yeah so oh good time getting misty just [TS]

  thinking about it i have i have some [TS]

  ultimate memories of my own but i'm [TS]

  going to save them in case i pick [TS]

  another ultimate game later [TS]

  yeah I got one on my list and it yeah I [TS]

  I might I might not somebody in the [TS]

  chatroom suggesting that if any of you [TS]

  pics minesweeper your band for the [TS]

  podcast / no comment [TS]

  actually that would be kind of that [TS]

  would be that would be kind of brilliant [TS]

  III one of the highest selling games of [TS]

  all time [TS]

  well selling what about that puzzle [TS]

  slightly game on iOS yeah yeah let's [TS]

  just say it depends on how deep we get [TS]

  into worthless [TS]

  alright fair enough i have it written [TS]

  down it's not high [TS]

  okay good Tony it's your turn um i would [TS]

  like to draft for my first pick up the [TS]

  game half-life you may have heard it all [TS]

  yah eat it what ya shaking my fist over [TS]

  here [TS]

  ah there's nothing better than crafting [TS]

  something that somebody found the draft [TS]

  yeah um so half-life is a very popular [TS]

  first-person shooter from the late [TS]

  nineties that was valve software that [TS]

  everyone's heard about makes up the game [TS]

  to make steam and my pizza that was [TS]

  their first thing and no doubt many of [TS]

  you have or at least heard of half life [TS]

  if not played half life or one of the [TS]

  many sequels since then but up i played [TS]

  that when I was you know but it but a [TS]

  young or yeah but a young high school [TS]

  student and half-life was this great [TS]

  game in which you played as gordon [TS]

  freeman [TS]

  who is a theoretical physicist and kind [TS]

  of your silent protagonist who had a PhD [TS]

  from MIT but basically as far as I could [TS]

  tell as a scientist his main job was [TS]

  like sliding creates around the room and [TS]

  other scientists would tell them to do [TS]

  and then everything goes horribly awry [TS]

  in his science facility suddenly they're [TS]

  aliens running around and heat so he's [TS]

  running around trying not to get killed [TS]

  by aliens and then the government shows [TS]

  up and turns out they want to kill the [TS]

  aliens but also everyone who you know [TS]

  may have been involved in bringing [TS]

  aliens they're so he's on the run from [TS]

  that and don't got his PhD in [TS]

  first-person shooters so moving crates [TS]

  around was a natural fit for him [TS]

  this was in the crate era of games i [TS]

  remember [TS]

  yes it was this was piqued great um this [TS]

  was you know every game back then had a [TS]

  great which i always i I'll enjoy [TS]

  because it was clear that the people who [TS]

  made video games like only have really [TS]

  kind of a loose sense of what a crate [TS]

  really mad world but that's like for [TS]

  example you see there would be crates [TS]

  everywhere they would be stacked they [TS]

  would be hanging from things you would [TS]

  use them for stuff they would come in [TS]

  lots of shapes you know that didn't make [TS]

  sense but you know what you almost never [TS]

  saw a pallet and oversaw foul-up it's [TS]

  like I had a job working in a warehouse [TS]

  I've unloaded trucks you know what [TS]

  creates come on Chris come on pallets [TS]

  you pasty videogame designers have never [TS]

  seen a real great um but yeah half was [TS]

  at peak great um so I kind of iconic [TS]

  first-person shooter that also [TS]

  incorporated some kind of puzzle solving [TS]

  with moving crates smashing things with [TS]

  a crowbar had really great artificial [TS]

  intelligence for for the time for the [TS]

  different types of enemies that would [TS]

  pursue you and it was also kind of this [TS]

  breakthrough in terms of how they told [TS]

  this story in a first-person shooter [TS]

  because they would be kinda scripted [TS]

  action sequences would show up and be [TS]

  aliens fighting monsters or people [TS]

  breaking down a wall and coming at you [TS]

  and all these things that perhaps before [TS]

  would have really just happened in [TS]

  cutscenes right so you can kind of play [TS]

  through this this whole thing and you [TS]

  know there but since then been that many [TS]

  games and unfortunately the half-life [TS]

  series has not even been concluded yet [TS]

  which is increasingly frustrating but [TS]

  yeah that's half life Steve did you want [TS]

  to say anything about half life since I [TS]

  stole it from you that's all right now I [TS]

  was just gonna point out the you make a [TS]

  good point about the fact that it's [TS]

  probably was the first [TS]

  first person shooter have a real [TS]

  narrative that you lived through means [TS]

  you know I think Star Wars dark forces [TS]

  came a little came a little earlier but [TS]

  that yeah the you know they were there [TS]

  were the occasional their assumptions [TS]

  you have with your your buddy a Jan but [TS]

  most of the actual storyline was told in [TS]

  those sort of texts screens in between [TS]

  the levels and this I mean you knew it [TS]

  was something special right from that [TS]

  groundbreaking opening sequence where [TS]

  you're travelling to work you're on the [TS]

  Black Mesa tram and you can catch the [TS]

  campuses of giant robots and huge links [TS]

  of toxic waste and you get the [TS]

  impression that perhaps safety [TS]

  regulations or not the Black Mesa [TS]

  facilities highest priority but they [TS]

  were just there are so many great [TS]

  moments in that and it was aight i think [TS]

  that the design was was done from the [TS]

  perspective that you let's come up with [TS]

  what would be cool they have happened in [TS]

  this game then we'll worry about how to [TS]

  implement it later so you get stuff like [TS]

  that amazing sequence in the missile [TS]

  silo with the tentacles that can only [TS]

  hear you and then there's that big room [TS]

  where you're sort of introduced to the [TS]

  ninja who hadn't showed up at that point [TS]

  and when the helicopter the damn [TS]

  helicopter you have to shoot it out of [TS]

  the sky with missiles over and over [TS]

  again running back and forth along the [TS]

  cliff for an entire afternoon but the [TS]

  best thing with the helicopter is it has [TS]

  shown up in so many scenes and I've been [TS]

  sort of the bane of your existence and [TS]

  you finally got to take it down it was [TS]

  the greatest moment up telling up till [TS]

  that point in first-person shooters so [TS]

  wonderful game I I still busted out and [TS]

  play at every couple years I've waited [TS]

  through have not played recently when I [TS]

  played it through at least four or five [TS]

  times and part of that was kind of the [TS]

  power of the engine that they built for [TS]

  it which was ended up being kind of [TS]

  important for a lot of games around then [TS]

  counter-strike was originally a [TS]

  half-life mod which would become its own [TS]

  game later [TS]

  you know the kind of team fortress that [TS]

  existed before half life but that was [TS]

  the half-life version of team fortress [TS]

  that became really really popular and [TS]

  then there were all these other kind of [TS]

  very weird strange games that people [TS]

  would build for that that was that we're [TS]

  really kind of cool and neat [TS]

  yeah I love your observation about peak [TS]

  rate I never you never thought about [TS]

  that fit so like as a matter of fact in [TS]

  ultimate seven that there's a lot of [TS]

  service in Game puzzles but one of the [TS]

  ones i found out about many years later [TS]

  is in that first city if you take all of [TS]

  the crates and in the town and build a [TS]

  staircase to get you up [TS]

  the top of a certain building it [TS]

  basically has everything that you need [TS]

  to win entire can also just out of [TS]

  curiosity has anyone ever tried to [TS]

  actually take a part of create with a [TS]

  crowbar [TS]

  well you can just hit it with a wrench [TS]

  and explodes into a thousand pieces yeah [TS]

  sure I think I'd like open open a couple [TS]

  actual crates it's like they're not [TS]

  messing around it's not like he just [TS]

  like hit it breaks like an easter egg [TS]

  it's like you you know i mean it's [TS]

  something that you send stuff in it's [TS]

  designed to be resilient you got the [TS]

  other kind of crazy you got the crate [TS]

  that can't be destroyed by any means [TS]

  whatsoever [TS]

  back at the dawn of the Internet [TS]

  somebody proposed a start to create [TS]

  metric old man Murray yeah he's still [TS]

  around I guess [TS]

  plenty of crates in half-life by the way [TS]

  we should point out if you're just [TS]

  joining us you are listening to create [TS]

  talk where we talk about Christmas [TS]

  that's great hair great that's what a [TS]

  gordon freeman spent all those years in [TS]

  school learning just the right place to [TS]

  hit the create with the crowbar and [TS]

  instantly flattens he has a phd people [TS]

  yeah it's all you hit that you can't [TS]

  just hit anywhere it's like that guy [TS]

  with the chalk mark on the generator you [TS]

  know the the chalk mark is one dollar [TS]

  but ten thousand dollars for know where [TS]

  to put it and mom said my video gaming [TS]

  would be of no use in my eventual [TS]

  factory job i would say for those who [TS]

  have not played half life if you're a [TS]

  little put off by like how far back half [TS]

  life is a game you know the more recent [TS]

  you know half life that was done with [TS]

  the source engine is obviously a lot [TS]

  more graphically impressive [TS]

  there's also an update of it that I [TS]

  think people on the internet like almost [TS]

  a decade on to the point where the [TS]

  update might need an update again in [TS]

  like a couple years where they built it [TS]

  with the source engine but yea half-life [TS]

  2 is also a great game [TS]

  I know some people who started with [TS]

  half-life 2 and it's it feels very kind [TS]

  of disorienting and you have no idea [TS]

  what's going on but that's actually part [TS]

  of the story is that you like you show [TS]

  up in an athlete to and the protective [TS]

  literally doesn't know what's going on [TS]

  it is disorienting so it's not like [TS]

  you're missing you're not missing on [TS]

  like the end of half life where they [TS]

  totally explain what happens i think i [TS]

  went looked up the end of half life when [TS]

  I started playing half-life 2 i think is [TS]

  ask you about it you're like the door [TS]

  you're supposed to feel like they're [TS]

  like okay then that's just life [TS]

  disoriented confusion staggering around [TS]

  public transportation put in stasis by [TS]

  some mysterious government figure [TS]

  and crates don't forget the crates [TS]

  damned if you don't learn this stuff you [TS]

  know in a game just gonna learn it on [TS]

  the streets that's no good [TS]

  so it's full of crates Steve let's what [TS]

  a-what create oriented game where you [TS]

  going to choose [TS]

  no crates in my game no are you sure the [TS]

  video game if it doesn't have creates [TS]

  its true this is a little early for [TS]

  creates I think I and half-life is a [TS]

  good game but I'm surprised and a little [TS]

  disappointed that nobody has picked what [TS]

  is objectively the best game ever made [TS]

  and that is that is its from 1991 there [TS]

  aren't very many games that are over two [TS]

  decades old that I still regularly play [TS]

  not out of nostalgia but just because [TS]

  it's a damn fine game that still has [TS]

  something to offer even after all these [TS]

  years and this one I bust out at least [TS]

  once a year it is sid meier's [TS]

  civilization on which is just an utterly [TS]

  fantastic game design it's really [TS]

  frankly hard to believe how good it is [TS]

  considering all the different intricate [TS]

  pieces that make it up for those who may [TS]

  be unfamiliar you start with a single [TS]

  settler unit at the dawn of civilization [TS]

  and from there you build an empire [TS]

  capable of surviving throughout all of [TS]

  human history where you win either by [TS]

  destroying every other civilization or [TS]

  being the first with the technological [TS]

  know-how to build a rocket to Alpha [TS]

  Centauri and you know either one is good [TS]

  but it's definitely more fun to dominate [TS]

  your your neighbors [TS]

  there's just so much I love about this [TS]

  game i love how completely different [TS]

  every single game plays the the world is [TS]

  randomized it starts out your kind of [TS]

  hidden behind this dark fog of war and [TS]

  you uncover squares as you move your guy [TS]

  around but you have no idea whether [TS]

  you're starting out next 25 other rival [TS]

  civilizations or you're alone on some [TS]

  sort of small island and won't run [TS]

  across anybody else until the age of [TS]

  sales that completely changes the way [TS]

  the game works [TS]

  I love the the constant balancing after [TS]

  trying to maintain your your [TS]

  civilization you knew what you want to [TS]

  gain population so your city can be more [TS]

  productive but if it gets too [TS]

  overpopulated the citizens get ticked [TS]

  off and riot you know you can modify [TS]

  them by directing more of the city's [TS]

  production to luxury items but if you do [TS]

  that then you can keep the warm [TS]

  enrolling and you've got the Babylonians [TS]

  camped out on your eastern border and [TS]

  it's a it's a lot of fun just kind of [TS]

  trying to keep things in order i like [TS]

  the flow of the game i like the fact [TS]

  that as the centuries past the gameplay [TS]

  kind of changes organically through [TS]

  these different areas you start I just [TS]

  trying to eke out an existence and fend [TS]

  off the barbarians and then there's kind [TS]

  of an age where you've kind of got a [TS]

  foothold your civilization is starting [TS]

  to thrive and so you expand and explore [TS]

  and meet some of your neighbors and [TS]

  hopefully grind them into dust and then [TS]

  there's an industrial revolution period [TS]

  that kicks off in your building [TS]

  factories and battleships and basically [TS]

  polluting the hell out of everything and [TS]

  then there's a period where your [TS]

  cleaning up the mess from the industrial [TS]

  revolution and mopping up the toxic [TS]

  waste from the new she dropped on the [TS]

  Aztecs archers it's just it's it's [TS]

  always kind of fresh and I think the [TS]

  fact that it changes so frequently is [TS]

  what what keeps you feeling like you [TS]

  have to keep playing and playing and [TS]

  playing it's almost impossible to quit [TS]

  playing this game you just want to see [TS]

  what happens on the next turn mostly i [TS]

  love just how accessible it is because [TS]

  it's got this great learning curve it [TS]

  doesn't overwhelm you like a lot of [TS]

  strategy games with a bunch of units and [TS]

  resources and things just start you off [TS]

  with this one piddling little covered [TS]

  wagon and all you can do for a while as [TS]

  bill granaries and put down a few roads [TS]

  and then over time it adds gameplay [TS]

  elements a little at a time until you've [TS]

  got a dozen cities in a hundred units in [TS]

  this gigantic network of railroads I [TS]

  used to play this a lot in college and [TS]

  when somebody was over drinking beers [TS]

  I'd say hey I've got this really cool [TS]

  computer game you should check out and I [TS]

  was always amazed even my dumbest [TS]

  friends but sometimes get sucked in and [TS]

  they end up playing for like 10 hours [TS]

  and i have to kick them out like five in [TS]

  the morning all right it's time to go [TS]

  home dude [TS]

  so in and it's still it still works [TS]

  wonderfully on me to that there have [TS]

  been i think five total now although i [TS]

  think the first is the simplest and [TS]

  probably for that reason the best [TS]

  they've kind of added i think a few too [TS]

  many complexities to the later models if [TS]

  two is probably about as good because [TS]

  they didn't change a lot in that [TS]

  but really just a fantastic game and [TS]

  certainly the best that i have ever [TS]

  personally played nice i played civ 3i [TS]

  think for a little while and I proof i [TS]

  proved your selection I'd nobody else is [TS]

  saying anything that I think you're [TS]

  terrible i played civ net which i [TS]

  believe was the original civ but with [TS]

  you know vague early early web-based you [TS]

  know multiplayer mode built into it I [TS]

  remember some version of said completely [TS]

  taking over my social group for about [TS]

  six months where we were just playing it [TS]

  constantly [TS]

  huh and then we managed to kick it [TS]

  somehow hit rock bottom [TS]

  he the disc broke something like that up [TS]

  it's got its it's got its hooks in me [TS]

  maybe just talking about it i want to [TS]

  break i have i've been playing a lot of [TS]

  civ4 evolution on the xbox 360 because [TS]

  it was free revolutions fun it's very [TS]

  simplified it they dumb it down for the [TS]

  xbox but it is fun and you know it's a [TS]

  free game that I've probably put you [TS]

  know 50 or 60 hours into it so you know [TS]

  you can get on your iPad by the way and [TS]

  it's pretty it's pretty good port i [TS]

  recommend it for people who are [TS]

  interested and want to kind of get into [TS]

  a simplified version [TS]

  well so there's still lots we won't be [TS]

  seeing him again for another four weeks [TS]

  he's going to play civilization that's [TS]

  right i'm glad this is going so fast we [TS]

  might get one round in John Sarah time [TS]

  so that's your turn [TS]

  it's making me read it's making me [TS]

  reconsider my entire pictures taken so [TS]

  long yeah although if you thought [TS]

  putting me towards the end of the order [TS]

  to make me not have an introductory [TS]

  statement you're wrong but it will be [TS]

  for haha hey hey I was looking for it is [TS]

  it really introductory a minute 40 it's [TS]

  a framing device since i'm about to go [TS]

  on like three weeks of travel and in [TS]

  front of bank episodes desperately i'm [TS]

  sort of sitting back and thinking [TS]

  alright two-part episode great release [TS]

  of travel are you sailing to the new [TS]

  world [TS]

  go ahead John unlike the console game [TS]

  draft there's not like four in my mind [TS]

  is like a clear winner just seems like [TS]

  this so many more computer games maybe [TS]

  that's not true but it seems that way [TS]

  like the diversity and so many different [TS]

  you know it is when I think of computer [TS]

  games it wasn't easy for me to say oh I [TS]

  know exactly what to pick one two three [TS]

  four five and so I said maybe instead of [TS]

  trying to pick the best or like the most [TS]

  important games like it's become very 64 [TS]

  and me an ocarina of time somethin good [TS]

  i'm gonna try to draft games that are [TS]

  the most meaningful to me and I also [TS]

  felt some pressure to represent format [TS]

  gaming because I figured most a lot of [TS]

  people on this podcast will not [TS]

  represent maybe Jason I got some you [TS]

  don't represent the the the mac gamers [TS]

  the people but it's not just people who [TS]

  have macs and play games with people who [TS]

  weren't allowed to have anything else I [TS]

  wasn't a lot of game consoles it didn't [TS]

  have a pc the mac was all i had so i [TS]

  definitely feel I need to to represent [TS]

  gaming yeah this is good that I hear the [TS]

  five by five network is really hostile [TS]

  to the whole you know Mac user [TS]

  environment mac gamers mac gamers yes [TS]

  there are rare breed but before I [TS]

  embarked on those pics since nothing [TS]

  scientific that already i am I have [TS]

  boosted one pic to the top of my order [TS]

  which I assume someone else would pick [TS]

  which is better than every game is [TS]

  talking about so far and that is [TS]

  portable [TS]

  no not true portal yes I'll come on dude [TS]

  to demo [TS]

  oh yeah it was great i played it on this [TS]

  thing called the xbox 360 to check out [TS]

  haha [TS]

  this isn't a demo draft John now it also [TS]

  the portal was a packing game as part of [TS]

  the orange box like just kind of I key i [TS]

  don't know if they thought it was like a [TS]

  side or a little bonus hey you could [TS]

  have life you get team fortress and I [TS]

  saw the game called portal or whatever [TS]

  and very quickly portal became the most [TS]

  important thing in the orange box and [TS]

  like I know plenty of people who bought [TS]

  that and just didn't play anything [TS]

  except for portal on their portal was [TS]

  first person games kinda like a puzzle [TS]

  game simple mechanic of making a one [TS]

  opening here when opening their good you [TS]

  go in one portal you come out the other [TS]

  the game teaches you it's mechanic very [TS]

  simply and slowly it it does everything [TS]

  you can imagine it's useful to do with [TS]

  that mechanic and and that sounds like a [TS]

  fine sounds like a packet know whatever [TS]

  silly party when you saw the demos you [TS]

  like I was kind of a clever idea but [TS]

  whatever how they gonna make a game out [TS]

  of that the secret the secret sauce was [TS]

  an amazing story and I setting and a [TS]

  gameplay experience that was not like [TS]

  running around with a gun sticking out [TS]

  in front of shooting everything and it [TS]

  really was a story that you got into and [TS]

  there wasn't much to it like there was a [TS]

  voice over there was characters the [TS]

  environment is kind of a character but [TS]

  that whole story of Gladys and and the [TS]

  the facility that you were trapped in [TS]

  and your predicament built to I thought [TS]

  is the best ending that I've ever played [TS]

  of it [TS]

  a computer game and it only works if [TS]

  you've played the game and gotten good [TS]

  at all the mechanics because any sort of [TS]

  finale your boss battle can be [TS]

  frustrating if you're trying to play [TS]

  through it and fighting against the [TS]

  mechanic or keep dying or whatever but [TS]

  half-life it are not half-life portal is [TS]

  an easy enough game i think for the [TS]

  average gamer but by the time you get to [TS]

  that final level you can beat it on the [TS]

  first try and you can hit every single [TS]

  storey be like it's that beautiful [TS]

  moment where you and the author of the [TS]

  game are in sync and during does this is [TS]

  well I think and what they expect you to [TS]

  be doing you're doing their voice your [TS]

  music cues happen exactly the time [TS]

  they're supposed to happen you react to [TS]

  them and the way you're supposed to [TS]

  react to them you do the things like [TS]

  it's all comes together it's gonna get [TS]

  dance between the author of the game far [TS]

  back in time and you playing the game [TS]

  right now and I still think about that [TS]

  finale and like all the different sound [TS]

  clips that were played in the things i [TS]

  did and the panic i felt and the fact [TS]

  that I didn't you know I didn't have to [TS]

  retry it over and over again that just [TS]

  sailed right through it was just such an [TS]

  amazing experience like the whole [TS]

  learning curve the ramp the little twist [TS]

  in the middle culminating in the final [TS]

  boss battle and I was just blown away by [TS]

  it and of course I got portal 2 and and [TS]

  arguably portal two is a more [TS]

  accomplished game but portal one you [TS]

  know the same reason you pick half life [TS]

  instead of half life 2 right they're [TS]

  both great games and arguably half-life [TS]

  2 is a better game if you look in [TS]

  isolation but the first one gets it in [TS]

  this case portal is my pic you didn't [TS]

  see my three favorite things about the [TS]

  game which are the companion cube the [TS]

  voice acting for GLaDOS and the song at [TS]

  the end all of which are like that just [TS]

  that song alone gives it a better [TS]

  soundtrack than ninety-five percent of [TS]

  computer games [TS]

  well that's like that's like your reward [TS]

  at the end if you are a crazy John to [TS]

  cultivate like I am and it's a wonderful [TS]

  song that has that has a life outside of [TS]

  his you know his fandom of his music or [TS]

  whatever but that rolls over the credits [TS]

  right during the rest of the game yes [TS]

  that the voice acting very different [TS]

  voice acting for everything for the [TS]

  turrets 22 Gladys yourself that it's [TS]

  just it's all amazing and like the ques [TS]

  line up nicely you never feel like [TS]

  you're it's like a repeated sound worse [TS]

  they're playing a sound clip over and [TS]

  over again like an RTS is when you click [TS]

  on the unit says something stupid thing [TS]

  and drives you crazy [TS]

  that never happens in this game it feels [TS]

  told the organic tomato [TS]

  that's true there's just enough turrets [TS]

  so it's fun when you get one that says I [TS]

  don't hate you as you kill it for little [TS]

  turret and in the time we've discussed [TS]

  it you could have played through the [TS]

  entire that haha not getting a great [TS]

  game it is very short [TS]

  I mean I did play it in one sitting you [TS]

  know the first time I ever played it i [TS]

  think i played in two sittings took me [TS]

  about two or three hours maybe but it [TS]

  did you know it was it was one of the [TS]

  deciding factors and me going out and [TS]

  getting a 360 didn't start as a student [TS]

  project right it wasn't narbacular drop [TS]

  print in the original version you could [TS]

  shoot portals through portals and they [TS]

  took that out because that I think that [TS]

  made things very confused now John did [TS]

  you know you mentioned the website old [TS]

  man Murray before [TS]

  did you know that the writers of that [TS]

  website where the writers for portal I [TS]

  did you down for some games three hours [TS]

  is the right like they don't have to be [TS]

  a civilization [TS]

  I'm not disagree with that i think [TS]

  that's that's that's a good quality in a [TS]

  game like there's a lot of games to play [TS]

  more recently that I've like yeah I [TS]

  don't want to downplay 40 hours of game [TS]

  right now I want to play like a game the [TS]

  last couple hours [TS]

  yeah thnkx Skyrim but I don't want to [TS]

  run over that mountain again they've [TS]

  gone through all the mechanics by the [TS]

  time you've done that you've done all [TS]

  the mechanics you can do they like you [TS]

  don't want to go okay now what do 17 [TS]

  levels where I use this particular trick [TS]

  to it with the portals once you learn [TS]

  the trick once you don't need to like [TS]

  prove it to them over and over again and [TS]

  the story comes to a reasonable [TS]

  conclusion and there's the little sort [TS]

  of the twist and it gives you the rest [TS]

  of the gameplay which I don't know if [TS]

  it's half of the gameplay but it feels [TS]

  like a breaking point and then you're [TS]

  onto something different and it has a [TS]

  satisfying ending we put all games going [TS]

  to teach you how to play the game but [TS]

  portals particular successful in [TS]

  teaching you how to play Portal and then [TS]

  letting you enjoy that once it kind of [TS]

  lets you go [TS]

  although i've had many non gamer I've [TS]

  tried to make many non gamers play [TS]

  portal and portal teaches gamer gamers [TS]

  that apply the game it is it's it's a [TS]

  kind of you think wow it teaches you how [TS]

  to play the game and you put a non-gamer [TS]

  infirmary said no no it doesn't i feel [TS]

  like there's a part pretty early on [TS]

  where you like spin multiple ways and [TS]

  it's like that's gonna make anyone who [TS]

  hasn't logged a hundred hours in front [TS]

  of an SPS nauseous you know you need the [TS]

  right kind of spatial thinking yeah you [TS]

  know you need to spend a hundred hours [TS]

  playing do more have been an astronaut [TS]

  Kaiser [TS]

  I was both my marathon qualified me as a [TS]

  marathon time [TS]

  alright John that's a good one that was [TS]

  on my list i had 13 things on my list in [TS]

  the first round so far only one was [TS]

  taken and that was portal so good job [TS]

  ah my pick is going to be a computer [TS]

  game although it has been on many other [TS]

  platforms as well i think it can [TS]

  it was developed for the everybody's [TS]

  favorite computer platform the [TS]

  electronic a 60 then ported to the [TS]

  Commodore 64 it was invented 1984 it is [TS]

  one of my favorite computer games of all [TS]

  time it is tetris come on Ted res who [TS]

  has a mac game right and well I played [TS]

  it on the mac it was it's an everything [TS]

  game i played it on the mac that i will [TS]

  tell you my college years [TS]

  Iseman more time playing tetris on my [TS]

  mac than writing papers a lot more a lot [TS]

  more my boss early on in my career who I [TS]

  would come into her office and find your [TS]

  playing Tetris and have to shame her [TS]

  into getting back to doing her job was [TS]

  an interesting welcome to the working [TS]

  world but you know writers week [TS]

  sometimes we have to put our brain [TS]

  somewhere else for a little while until [TS]

  inspiration strikes i still play tetris [TS]

  i love it i'm not really satisfied with [TS]

  Tetris on touch devices it I it doesn't [TS]

  work as well I think you really need the [TS]

  keyboard or you know a bunch of buttons [TS]

  that you can hit in that space bar [TS]

  dropping the the Tetris pieces to the [TS]

  bottom of the screen fantastic crazy [TS]

  crazy music that I love and if you [TS]

  haven't looked many college marching [TS]

  bands have done [TS]

  tetris performances where portions of [TS]

  the band form various falling Tetris [TS]

  pieces as they play the music from [TS]

  tetris so i had to pick it [TS]

  I can't believe it's still there i had a [TS]

  moment of revelation yesterday where [TS]

  that oh that's what my pic should be it [TS]

  should be tetris so I got Tetris i'm [TS]

  going to waste my time playing tetris [TS]

  too bad for all of you to go [TS]

  tetris time for a very brief break to [TS]

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  your website i think one of my favorite [TS]

  tetris moments was they had a version of [TS]

  Tetris for the nintendo dsi that [TS]

  actually had a multiplayer mode whereas [TS]

  you would complete stuff it would drop [TS]

  lines on other people and the number of [TS]

  a person but the DA's is that [TS]

  yeah for the nintendo DS are making us [TS]

  feel old man that mode slightly predates [TS]

  the s just a little while yet but people [TS]

  to play at lan parties with a nintendo [TS]

  des [TS]

  you don't need a LAN party for the [TS]

  nintendo des doesn't need a lamb [TS]

  actually it did the first version of it [TS]

  before it had any kind of friends [TS]

  friends social stuff here you're [TS]

  thinking of the dsi which was the iOS [TS]

  four injured [TS]

  yeah there you go see I'm talking just [TS]

  nintendo des alright so uh we have we [TS]

  have to we have time for half around now [TS]

  let's let's argue more about the [TS]

  nintendo DS technical specification yeah [TS]

  but please yeah that really excites me [TS]

  dan moore and wake up a back around to [TS]

  the top [TS]

  god I've had a great nap good sitting [TS]

  here playing games on my Pavley alright [TS]

  yeah so jon jon was making noises about [TS]

  a mac gaming so i think i'll pick a mac [TS]

  game for my next one I shave you and I [TS]

  huh [TS]

  no I mean it was on my list I just I you [TS]

  know I now I'm worried he might try to [TS]

  stake it i don't know i'm gonna pick I [TS]

  played a lot of games growing up and a [TS]

  lot of those games were made by ambrosia [TS]

  the venerable mac software maker who I [TS]

  think now is basically out of business [TS]

  but the one that I have the fondest [TS]

  memory of is escape velocity which is a [TS]

  fantastic space [TS]

  Adventure trading / you know combat [TS]

  space game you buy a little spaceship [TS]

  start your space shuttle and you fly [TS]

  around you move goods back and forth for [TS]

  a while and you can afford a better ship [TS]

  as you go along you might encounter [TS]

  pirates and later versions the games [TS]

  rebels and there's all these different [TS]

  plots you can sort of get sucked into [TS]

  it's got kind of a not quite a text [TS]

  adventure but it does have that sort of [TS]

  almost like point-and-click adventure [TS]

  element to it and this is another one of [TS]

  those games i used to play sort of [TS]

  collaboratively with friends to the [TS]

  point where the more recent years I've [TS]

  revisited and we have like my friends I [TS]

  will accept like the spreadsheet so we [TS]

  can like figure out like all right if we [TS]

  buy this good like really cheap here can [TS]

  we sell it here and it doesn't make [TS]

  sense like we're gonna spend too much [TS]

  money and fuel jumping back and forth [TS]

  bunch of times and you can upgrade your [TS]

  ship if you want you can even acquire [TS]

  like an entire fleet of ships i don't i [TS]

  don't know if i ever technically beat [TS]

  the any of these games there are three [TS]

  of them but like they did definitely [TS]

  suck up a ton of time because you could [TS]

  put it like so much time to like jumping [TS]

  back and forth between like two [TS]

  different systems to embrace all this [TS]

  money to like make like trick out your [TS]

  ship in this awesome awesome way [TS]

  although as I did was discussing this [TS]

  game with Tony a couple a few days ago [TS]

  pointing out that like you who is very [TS]

  possible that you could get like either [TS]

  run out of fuel in some totally [TS]

  uninhabited system and start trying to [TS]

  like beg people for fuel as they came [TS]

  past which didn't always work great [TS]

  or that like you started your [TS]

  shuttlecraft and a hot got a great new [TS]

  shower curtain just someone just blow [TS]

  you up [TS]

  we all do we always have to invest in an [TS]

  escape pod like first thing you did but [TS]

  it was very it was a sprite based game [TS]

  and you can actually remember in the [TS]

  first version i had you could go into [TS]

  resident and you could start changing [TS]

  colors and all this right so my friends [TS]

  and I started trying to build an [TS]

  expansion at one point which was very [TS]

  very in-depth we're like programming all [TS]

  the strings and making like we couldn't [TS]

  really makes right so we just take the [TS]

  sprites and change the colors but we [TS]

  thought that was the awesomest thing in [TS]

  the world and it's it's a lot of fun i [TS]

  really i really want someone to remake [TS]

  it for the iPad because there are there [TS]

  are similar games but it seems so [TS]

  obvious right because its touch base [TS]

  like its top down is touch bases a [TS]

  static screen it's right there right [TS]

  yeah I would love to play that game [TS]

  again on the ipad [TS]

  I always wanted a version with [TS]

  multiplayer I realized that would [TS]

  probably have been kind of challenging [TS]

  but I loved the idea of it as I mean [TS]

  before you know things like mmos existed [TS]

  this idea that you have this fast [TS]

  universe and that somewhere out there [TS]

  someone else might be flying there [TS]

  little shuttlecraft around for the first [TS]

  time so fantastic game if you haven't [TS]

  played it i think it I think at least [TS]

  Ivanova still runs on OS 10 i don't [TS]

  remember if a backboard the original [TS]

  versions to run without the classic [TS]

  environment but fun super fun games [TS]

  shareware did you ever get the star wars [TS]

  fought for it [TS]

  I remember it I I probably downloaded it [TS]

  have a star star destroyer with explains [TS]

  that came out it was unbelievable yes [TS]

  yes I did have that it was pretty great [TS]

  yeah there are a lot of great models for [TS]

  those are pretty cool so yeah I don't [TS]

  know I that's one of my fondest memories [TS]

  of mac games ever and i played it i mean [TS]

  i think so even know which i think is [TS]

  the most complete of them came out in [TS]

  2002 but the earliest one came out when [TS]

  I was still in high school I think so [TS]

  have my little postcard somewhere still [TS]

  which has my license code on it [TS]

  very nice escape velocity Mac game good [TS]

  good looking better now [TS]

  Monty pick another text adventure or [TS]

  something else I had decided not to pick [TS]

  all text adventures [TS]

  hello that was certainly an option [TS]

  tempting yes [TS]

  instead i'm going with a great game one [TS]

  they may have played more than any other [TS]

  computer game it's been mentioned a [TS]

  couple times already is doom very [TS]

  similar to trinity yes except instead of [TS]

  figuring out how to conceal yourself [TS]

  inside a frozen soap bubble you are [TS]

  running around shooting demons very [TS]

  similar is of course a first-person [TS]

  shooter not the first first person [TS]

  shooter but the first really good one [TS]

  unfortunately it didn't really have [TS]

  three dimensions you couldn't shoot up [TS]

  or down there things would be positioned [TS]

  above you but nothing could go directly [TS]

  below or above them which meant that you [TS]

  never had to look you were never able to [TS]

  tilt your head which means all the time [TS]

  I spent playing doom and ruined me for [TS]

  every other first-person shooter [TS]

  I don't blame it on doing I blame do we [TS]

  played it too we can never able to play [TS]

  modern ftse's i'm just going to assume [TS]

  you're lying and continue on [TS]

  haha but doom introduce things like [TS]

  death matches and level editors so [TS]

  people could create their own doom [TS]

  levels and also mods which of course [TS]

  took over half life two later on and [TS]

  cheats i don't think that god mode God [TS]

  Mode always takes after me that's a ID [TS]

  SP is p 0 pd if you want god mode and do [TS]

  I remember I had a really fun mod that [TS]

  turned everybody into simpsons [TS]

  characters and when you shot the regular [TS]

  demons they look like Moe and there was [TS]

  a I'm choking on my own rage here and [TS]

  then died it was charming i played doom [TS]

  so much that I got to the point where i [TS]

  would could turn off the monitor and [TS]

  still get to a level i was into pacifist [TS]

  mode where you have to get to the end of [TS]

  the game without killing anything which [TS]

  is very difficult especially on the very [TS]

  last level where you have to kill these [TS]

  barrels of Hell so much them to death [TS]

  it may have been the only game i had i'm [TS]

  not sure why if they do so much probably [TS]

  too pretty much constantly for about two [TS]

  years [TS]

  wow how did the rest of the world start [TS]

  to just look like doom [TS]

  yes but when it was looking at trinity I [TS]

  remember once I was driving along the [TS]

  highway and they're a bunch of those [TS]

  orange barrels on the side of the road [TS]

  and I automatically changed lanes the [TS]

  left and I were they would explode haha [TS]

  wow you had barrels not creates creates [TS]

  they're like they're like creates the [TS]

  crates of doom [TS]

  they're very much like crepes exploding [TS]

  perils key our doom [TS]

  that's a classic on the list it's in the [TS]

  vault but as with crates there were two [TS]

  varieties there were the ones that blew [TS]

  up and then there was the ones that you [TS]

  couldn't destroy it about what you did [TS]

  you shoot the bfg Adam and they just sit [TS]

  there [TS]

  strangely the indestructible barrels [TS]

  were the ones that were on fire the [TS]

  barrel wasn't on fire would blow up the [TS]

  demons from hell were a little smarter [TS]

  they just fashion a suit of armor out of [TS]

  flaming barrels and you'd be [TS]

  indestructible [TS]

  yeah when I want to say doom does have [TS]

  technically have a plot there's yeah [TS]

  because you're on Mars and you're on [TS]

  Mars and they they made a movie out of [TS]

  it [TS]

  come on everybody has been turned into [TS]

  demons that movie could have been [TS]

  interesting pieces it's just how ya [TS]

  apple cider for our episode about doing [TS]

  the movie save that for Game Show 34 [TS]

  defending independent album [TS]

  oh man there better not be a video game [TS]

  movie draft yeah [TS]

  oh my you have to get all that [TS]

  don't get angry raftopoulos Tony but it [TS]

  will happen eventually that is the worst [TS]

  idea effort [TS]

  I mean technically everything can be [TS]

  drafted is just should everything [TS]

  everything should be yes that's right [TS]

  you make a strong moral argument there [TS]

  Tony ya aini ya you pull up the jeff [TS]

  goldblum quote for quote from Jurassic [TS]

  Park spent so much time thinking about [TS]

  whether or not you good [TS]

  Erica it's your turn okay well I i'm [TS]

  actually gonna call an audible i just [TS]

  added one to the list that I didn't have [TS]

  already after John syracuse was talking [TS]

  about mac games i remembered that my mom [TS]

  was an elementary school music teacher [TS]

  and was able to bring home the max used [TS]

  at school over the summers so while we [TS]

  didn't own a mac i actually had access [TS]

  to one play with quite a bit when I was [TS]

  young and one of the very simplistic [TS]

  little games that was it was loaded on [TS]

  there also doubles as meeting my [TS]

  contractual Doctor Who obligation what [TS]

  you're going to be getting mentions on [TS]

  the podcast I'm going to pick dollar [TS]

  works it was yes a very very simple [TS]

  keyboard based game you had a little [TS]

  character and you are surrounded by and [TS]

  the first level just a very few little [TS]

  tiny Daleks and they actually looked [TS]

  like little alex from Doctor Who and you [TS]

  had to move left right up down and you [TS]

  are basically just trying to get the [TS]

  Daleks to crash into each other because [TS]

  apparently these Daleks are just as dumb [TS]

  as the ones on the TV show sometimes are [TS]

  and if you made all of the Daleks crash [TS]

  into each other then you get to the next [TS]

  level where there were more Daleks what [TS]

  a reward [TS]

  it was fantastic if they got too close [TS]

  to you once on every level you've got to [TS]

  use your sonic screwdriver which for [TS]

  some reason did something to the Daleks [TS]

  I don't know why that would be but hey [TS]

  who cares you got rid of all the Daleks [TS]

  that were close to you and you can kind [TS]

  of like that's probably happened at [TS]

  least once on the show right [TS]

  yeah and then and then if they get too [TS]

  close you can sort of warp yourself i [TS]

  think it was supposed to be [TS]

  a nod to the TARDIS although there was [TS]

  no tardes involved and just jump to [TS]

  another square on the board but [TS]

  sometimes that was right next to a Dalek [TS]

  and you would die and i spent lots and [TS]

  lots and lots of time playing that game [TS]

  and yeah Alex we're going i've played [TS]

  that game before I knew enough about [TS]

  Doctor Who other than it was the boring [TS]

  thing on PBS that immediately change [TS]

  channel when I saw it I had no idea i [TS]

  had no idea that a sonic screwdriver and [TS]

  no sense to me the game likewise to call [TS]

  the screwdriver that makes no sense i [TS]

  had no idea what a Dalek was nor did I [TS]

  know how to pronounce it [TS]

  we call the day lyrics that's adorable I [TS]

  didn't know doctor who was it all and [TS]

  that game made such an impression that [TS]

  some friends of mine made like a modern [TS]

  os10 like port of that game just because [TS]

  they couldn't get it out of their head I [TS]

  don't think sold very well but it's out [TS]

  there for me the lane british science [TS]

  fiction show that flipped past on PBS [TS]

  was Blake's 7 which aired after Monty [TS]

  Python I don't know if anything ever [TS]

  happened on that show it did but it was [TS]

  always in a quarry [TS]

  yes I actually just finished a rewatch [TS]

  of like seven as well [TS]

  wow yeah oh yeah Monty you're not [TS]

  dealing with amateurs here this is the [TS]

  professionals [TS]

  I I knew that I knew that you'd seen [TS]

  I've never seen Blake's 7 actually I [TS]

  Daleks that was according to wikipedia [TS]

  that was originally a unix game called [TS]

  robots and then and then and then [TS]

  somebody said hey I got a good idea [TS]

  does anybody know did they did was there [TS]

  actually permission given from Terry [TS]

  nations estate to use the the likeness [TS]

  of the duck because I mean his estate [TS]

  heir him at the time super litigious [TS]

  about the use of the Daleks so I was [TS]

  just kind of always curious about that [TS]

  if that was legit or what is the state [TS]

  would have to know what was happening in [TS]

  the u.s. to actually do something about [TS]

  it oh he knew what was happening with [TS]

  the Daleks pretty much anywhere on the i [TS]

  think it was on the far-off weird [TS]

  reaches of of like shareware you know [TS]

  trading and things and it never today [TS]

  today it would be a bigger problem right [TS]

  but back that it's early days computer [TS]

  games i don't think anybody outside of [TS]

  the the computer game field actually [TS]

  believe they existed especially [TS]

  especially mac games who even had a mac [TS]

  they're all those Star Trek games that [TS]

  you play where you [TS]

  to net track oh yeah that's right i [TS]

  played some metric and it was all [TS]

  digitized star trek sounds and then they [TS]

  did a box version that was like the [TS]

  official version and they had to remove [TS]

  all of the star trek sounds and make [TS]

  their own sound effects because they [TS]

  were afraid that now that were legit and [TS]

  they were gonna get sued in there were [TS]

  half a dozen arcade games that use TIE [TS]

  fighters as an enemy type so sure [TS]

  alright Daleks surprise pick a Mac Mac [TS]

  game America that was not the slot that [TS]

  I figured you would fill their it [TS]

  surprised me too [TS]

  you get the doctor who question so you [TS]

  went you know [TS]

  went you know [TS]

  you swear you swear them into a place [TS]

  that makes sense so that's been tony i [TS]

  would like to draft a a game from the [TS]

  venerable LucasArts we already mentioned [TS]

  i would like to draft grim fandango from [TS]

  the late nineties all Tony be doing to [TS]

  me man i'm like you but one step ahead [TS]

  of you also eat it left only by dice [TS]

  roll [TS]

  well that's that's all it takes man will [TS]

  welcome to the real world as determined [TS]

  by icy luckier Steve so uh Steve Hawley [TS]

  talkin to go to but first i'm going to [TS]

  talk about it [TS]

  grim fandango was probably kind of the [TS]

  last great adventure game of it was [TS]

  certainly lacks adventure game made by [TS]

  lucasarts who decided that even though [TS]

  people really liked it that that genre [TS]

  was failing my first draft of my love my [TS]

  draft of my draft list for that for this [TS]

  was basically all LucasArts adventure [TS]

  games i can probably shouldn't just only [TS]

  Draft LucasArts adventure games that if [TS]

  anything that would be extremely [TS]

  predictable so i chose that is kind of [TS]

  the last big one that was put together [TS]

  but i love i love many LucasArts [TS]

  adventure games i simply pick that one [TS]

  is the last one grim fandango is great [TS]

  you should go out and play it right now [TS]

  let me tell you want it from fandango [TS]

  merges film noir with a graphic [TS]

  adventure games which are all based on [TS]

  the idea of you explore worlds and you [TS]

  find objects and you combine them [TS]

  together to solve puzzles [TS]

  I like puzzle games a lot like puzzles [TS]

  grim fandango is set in this very kind [TS]

  of weird [TS]

  film-noir / mexican day of the dead [TS]

  world where you play Manny calavera who [TS]

  is kind of a grim reaper but also a [TS]

  travel agent for the dead [TS]

  basically when you die in the world of [TS]

  grim fandango you show up in kind of [TS]

  this purgatory type world and a travel [TS]

  agent tries to sell you a ticket to get [TS]

  to your final reward and depending on [TS]

  how good you've been and you know your [TS]

  travel agent as you get different modes [TS]

  of transportation many calavera figures [TS]

  out that there's like a conspiracy where [TS]

  people are being trick cheated out of [TS]

  their just rewards and goes on a film [TS]

  noir exploration to try and find you [TS]

  know the conspiracy and the organized [TS]

  crime bosses behind it along the way he [TS]

  has to open up a nightclub because it's [TS]

  from more inspired and he travels with a [TS]

  speed demon named Gladys [TS]

  clients interacts with all these kind of [TS]

  weird strange a day of the dead skeletal [TS]

  creatures and yeah Steve say something [TS]

  yeah I call grim fandango the pinnacle [TS]

  of of adventure gaming I i haven't [TS]

  played a game better in the adventure [TS]

  realm [TS]

  the setting is great the plot is [TS]

  fantastic the music is wonderful the art [TS]

  design is amazing as Tony said it's all [TS]

  based on Mexican Day of the Dead so you [TS]

  know you were a Calaca walking around [TS]

  here there's a if you're familiar with [TS]

  the did the deal somewhere to us sort of [TS]

  carved figures that look like skulls and [TS]

  always have a lot of flowers and things [TS]

  autumn hilarious voice performances [TS]

  especially by tony plana plays mani [TS]

  there's a sequence at the end where your [TS]

  trusty sidekick is ailing and it makes [TS]

  you weep bitterly which is always a plus [TS]

  yeah it's just utterly superb Tim [TS]

  Schafer's defining achievement I think [TS]

  and its really a pity that it's not [TS]

  better known and it's it's not been [TS]

  remade because I i think a lot of the [TS]

  problem was basically worked there sort [TS]

  of tweaking the interface and trying to [TS]

  come up with a way that they could make [TS]

  the interface utterly disappear into the [TS]

  game world so they had you instead of [TS]

  clicking and pointing which everybody's [TS]

  used to do they have you walking around [TS]

  the arrow keys and you had to watch for [TS]

  his head to turn to find the hot spots [TS]

  in the game and that was I think a bit [TS]

  more than a lot of people willing to [TS]

  chew and in order to get your stuff out [TS]

  of your inventory you actually had to [TS]

  watch him pull one thing at a time out [TS]

  of his best pocket [TS]

  it's got pretty old when you had 30 [TS]

  things in there so especially could have [TS]

  for some reason there was like an early [TS]

  on there was a clown that you could talk [TS]

  to who would make balloon animals [TS]

  versions of poets and I think you would [TS]

  be carrying them around for yes and you [TS]

  have like a kitty and then you have like [TS]

  Robert Frost and I think that writing [TS]

  pigeons is Robert Frost [TS]

  yeah you can have like five of them and [TS]

  if you can use them you were just [TS]

  carrying around the rest of the game so [TS]

  you cycle through your inventory every [TS]

  time you like Robert Frost it's like I'm [TS]

  never going to use this game it's cooked [TS]

  it's weeks when you pull it out it [TS]

  actually go to earth so it's w/e but [TS]

  great story are great puzzles as far as [TS]

  adventure games go amazing graphics and [TS]

  it's kind of sad that it didn't do very [TS]

  well [TS]

  I'll and lucasarts basically decided [TS]

  that adventure games were kind of dead [TS]

  as a genre and they they pulled out of [TS]

  that because they those some of my [TS]

  favorite games of all times our [TS]

  adventure games of my list of you know [TS]

  ten computer games for my draft I've got [TS]

  like four adventure games on there so by [TS]

  the way if you can find the disc [TS]

  somebody has made in the vein of scummvm [TS]

  which is used for the earlier LucasArts [TS]

  games there's something called residual [TS]

  vm which will play both grim fandango [TS]

  into a lesser extent escape from monkey [TS]

  island so it's it's fairly easy to play [TS]

  you just have to get your hands on a [TS]

  disk and they fixed some of the [TS]

  interface issues as well there's their [TS]

  various hacks that kind of fix some of [TS]

  the bugs that were left lingering in the [TS]

  game so good way to go because we're [TS]

  just fans of monkey island that thing [TS]

  gets released all the time it's on xbox [TS]

  live arcade that game is great go play [TS]

  that now [TS]

  alright i'm just worried they're gonna [TS]

  give me a flattop in the release i live [TS]

  not too far from somewhere LucasArts [TS]

  used to be but now it's not there [TS]

  anymore or anywhere really office there [TS]

  that handles like contracts licensing [TS]

  agreements i visited when they were [TS]

  business i visited them once in and that [TS]

  every time I Drive past I drove past [TS]

  there like two days ago I was like yeah [TS]

  that's that's where was it's not there [TS]

  anymore [TS]

  I different to work for Lucas games or [TS]

  look starts and he took me to the July [TS]

  fourth party at Skywalker Ranch in there [TS]

  too [TS]

  yeah not bad when i went to Skywalker [TS]

  Ranch tim burton was at the next table [TS]

  he was doing the sound editing from mars [TS]

  attacks and find if I'd known I couldn't [TS]

  leaped over the table and you know [TS]

  killed him or something [TS]

  wow you really sound design in that I [TS]

  yes that's that was my problem with the [TS]

  sounds like he just he's just a guy [TS]

  doing a job Jason you have you seen Mars [TS]

  Attacks it's really bad anyway it is [TS]

  anyway it [TS]

  yeah do people have to die you think [TS]

  people need to answer for that there [TS]

  needs to be a tribunal but to your [TS]

  earlier point Tony I mommy I want to [TS]

  grow up and be in video games old you [TS]

  want to be a programmer and designer [TS]

  know i would i'm interested in getting [TS]

  into the licensing of intellectual [TS]

  property anyway Steve it's your turn and [TS]

  you can't pick grimphantom [TS]

  mango or half life going after tony is [TS]

  sort of like getting two pics around no [TS]

  it's this is not right all right uh [TS]

  let's see i got roughly 30 games on my [TS]

  ass like I don't think i'm going to get [TS]

  to I don't think so all right so I'm [TS]

  gonna leave to this one this is a this [TS]

  is more recent this is 2000-2002 it's [TS]

  the Elder Scrolls three moral wind the [TS]

  reason i picked more when this is the [TS]

  RPG that I dreamed about from the moment [TS]

  i played my first PCM it's just this [TS]

  unbelievably open world and you're given [TS]

  free reign of it there's this amazing [TS]

  moment at the beginning of the game [TS]

  where you you've gotten off this prison [TS]

  ship you've wandered through this [TS]

  administration building which acts as [TS]

  the character generation tool the whole [TS]

  thing is fairly linear it's basically [TS]

  standard RPG kind of stuff and then they [TS]

  dump you into the village of Satan mean [TS]

  and they say have fun [TS]

  you're on your own enjoy and so you're [TS]

  in this this well-realized beautiful [TS]

  very alien world that's not you know [TS]

  overly indebted to the sort of standard [TS]

  forgotten realms kind of fantasy stuff [TS]

  and you're absolutely free to do [TS]

  whatever the heck you want your you're [TS]

  told to go see this dude over and [TS]

  balmoral but that's like 50 miles away [TS]

  so you can walk there or you can take [TS]

  this gigantic bug that is for fast [TS]

  travel but the cool people walked and if [TS]

  you want you can just wander the land [TS]

  and pick herbs for hours on end you can [TS]

  you can put that's what I did [TS]

  well it's fun because you can make [TS]

  potions and stuff after a while are you [TS]

  can poke through the dozens of caves [TS]

  that are dotted throughout the landscape [TS]

  and the amazing thing about that is each [TS]

  of them is different and filled with [TS]

  specific monsters it's not just random [TS]

  encounters you know some of them are [TS]

  more interesting than others but once in [TS]

  a while you'll wander into one where [TS]

  there's this whole side quest that has [TS]

  absolutely nothing to do with the the [TS]

  main plot of the game is just this cool [TS]

  little thing that's going on in this [TS]

  world and you happen to wandered into it [TS]

  you can join any of a number of [TS]

  different guilds some of which will [TS]

  result in you being attacked by members [TS]

  of other guilds there's over 300 books [TS]

  of lore scattered around the world on [TS]

  various bookshelves and you're into that [TS]

  sort of thing you can sit around and [TS]

  read for several days [TS]

  it has a pretty cool plot that you know [TS]

  it's fairly standard involved you [TS]

  becoming the savior of all the realm but [TS]

  you can choose to totally ignore if you [TS]

  want basically you just you're given the [TS]

  ultimate geek toy box and you're given a [TS]

  sword to chop it all up with and it's [TS]

  it's a huge deal huge lot of fun hit it [TS]

  last as long as you want it to you just [TS]

  want to play through the plot at last [TS]

  kind of a long time to cook you gonna [TS]

  put a bit of time into it but it's well [TS]

  worth it [TS]

  you are totally selling me on this game [TS]

  because all of the things the things i [TS]

  like about them at seven like I could go [TS]

  and bake bread for a day I think it was [TS]

  a lot to ultimate it does in terms of [TS]

  just the open-world miss of it that's [TS]

  was really one of the greatest things [TS]

  about the ultimate series is that from [TS]

  the very start you could go anytime you [TS]

  wanted to because all the monsters were [TS]

  fairly lightweight and they would just [TS]

  build them up by you know throwing more [TS]

  more of them at you when you had a [TS]

  bigger party and more when follows a lot [TS]

  of the same sort of templates but it [TS]

  also throws into things like the bread [TS]

  baking and you can follow your own kind [TS]

  of lifestyle not even be an adventure if [TS]

  you want you can just go hang out in [TS]

  town and you want to be a thief you can [TS]

  sneak into people's houses and stealing [TS]

  stuff and i really thought i would enjoy [TS]

  i tried playing Skyrim and I just [TS]

  couldn't get into it [TS]

  no no I like the idea of it but when I [TS]

  went to stand up late i just found I [TS]

  found it kind of black but maybe I like [TS]

  skyrim yeah i know a lot of people like [TS]

  skyrim i just i don't know couldn't get [TS]

  into it i found more win so an [TS]

  open-world nonlinear experience that I [TS]

  hated it I ok i had the experience to [TS]

  describe where you get off the boat and [TS]

  you go through a building and you're in [TS]

  a town you can do anything you want and [TS]

  I wandered in a direction and pick [TS]

  mushrooms for an hour and then I [TS]

  couldn't find the town again [TS]

  what kind of mushrooms were they haha [TS]

  and i started the game again and pay [TS]

  close attention and said go in this [TS]

  direction i went in that direction and I [TS]

  got lost and I pick some flowers and [TS]

  what kind of flowers were they [TS]

  there was no for me goal or reason to [TS]

  keep playing so I stopped [TS]

  yeah it takes a little getting you [TS]

  getting getting into before you have any [TS]

  direction and I I understand it's a very [TS]

  overwhelming game first for people who [TS]

  are used to more direct experiences so [TS]

  you definitely not for everyone i would [TS]

  say but I i just loved it every minute [TS]

  of it are like the bolivian and I like [TS]

  skyrim two but both of them seem like [TS]

  they were a little less complex and sort [TS]

  of dumb down to bmore console happy [TS]

  oh jesus i mean i'm already in an open [TS]

  world record do anything I want I don't [TS]

  like that that's why i'm playing [TS]

  computers [TS]

  yes you can do anything you want your [TS]

  lucky mastered usually yeah alright [TS]

  thank you i can go pick mushrooms right [TS]

  now if I wanted to but that's right [TS]

  what kind of mushrooms mozzie actually [TS]

  amanita muscaria they grow on the lawn [TS]

  of like the house they just moved on [TS]

  I don't why did I why did I ask john [TS]

  it's your turn [TS]

  they're very recognizable that's all I [TS]

  know that my real names [TS]

  do we have the and breathe out of [TS]

  mushrooms these ones look like the mario [TS]

  washrooms [TS]

  yep alright my next pick [TS]

  I'm gonna actually go with my strategy [TS]

  described before i start picking mac [TS]

  games and boy there are a lot to choose [TS]

  from and I really don't know if this [TS]

  hoping my last pic with hook have to [TS]

  make it good i guess i'll skip this one [TS]

  I'm going to pick crystal quest who 1987 [TS]

  this is a game that no one had ever [TS]

  heard of until was ported to the xbox i [TS]

  guess in two thousand it was a mac game [TS]

  for a while it was sort of the only [TS]

  popular mad game this is this is a time [TS]

  when this game which is a top-down kind [TS]

  of abstract game on a screen a static [TS]

  level scream the background doesn't move [TS]

  you do not wrap around when you hit the [TS]

  edges just what you see on the screen [TS]

  this is an original mac game so the [TS]

  original black and white mac screen this [TS]

  game and on the back to I guess in color [TS]

  this game got a full two-page spread and [TS]

  neither macworld mac user magazine i [TS]

  forget which those guys are hacks yeah [TS]

  it wasn't it's like [TS]

  what about such an important event in [TS]

  the world of Mac gaming this arcade [TS]

  style top-down game or nothing moves so [TS]

  you control the circle essentially i'm [TS]

  not sure it was supposed to be a ship or [TS]

  a disc or whatever but the way you [TS]

  control what made the game this is the [TS]

  first game that showed I guess 1987 yeah [TS]

  i think pretty much the first game [TS]

  anywhere that showed that the mouse [TS]

  could be used as a great gaming input [TS]

  device this game could not work with a [TS]

  joystick would not work with joysticks [TS]

  forget it or keyboard forget about that [TS]

  you could probably pay with play with a [TS]

  centipede style trackball but it [TS]

  wouldn't be the same and what you [TS]

  controlled was like I don't know what [TS]

  the exact physics of it wherever you you [TS]

  controlled like your velocity vector and [TS]

  didn't just matter which direction you [TS]

  push the master matter how fast and how [TS]

  hard you moved it so you weren't moving [TS]

  the circle around the screen you're sort [TS]

  of it's almost like you were controlling [TS]

  wind was blowing this little circle [TS]

  around the screen and you have to [TS]

  collect these little crystals once you [TS]

  collect all the crystals gate on the [TS]

  bottom open up and you went through the [TS]

  gate and there were enemies and that's [TS]

  it that's the whole game and just got [TS]

  progressively harder was an arcade-style [TS]

  game and later on the mouse would sort [TS]

  of come into its own as a gaming input [TS]

  device but when first-person shooters [TS]

  became popular after doing because I [TS]

  don't think doing head and kind of mouse [TS]

  control but once marathon came and [TS]

  certainly quake and all those other [TS]

  things like oh yeah of course the mouse [TS]

  is a gaming device but up to this point [TS]

  the mac was the only computer that even [TS]

  had a mouse and so of course it was the [TS]

  first computer to completely validate [TS]

  the mac as a gaming input device crystal [TS]

  quest was very simple game arcade style [TS]

  game but pretty darn brutal it was not [TS]

  forgiving it the difficulty ramped up [TS]

  quickly and it was sort of the type of [TS]

  game where they ran to the difficulty to [TS]

  the point where they hoped [TS]

  once the difficulty hits max around [TS]

  level 40 at which point the game never [TS]

  got any harder they figure well no one [TS]

  can play at that level for very long but [TS]

  they underestimated the amount of time [TS]

  children who only have a mac-10 put the [TS]

  game on would spend on this game and I [TS]

  spent a lot of time playing this game a [TS]

  lot of time playing like the after-game [TS]

  which is after level 41 never gets [TS]

  harder how hot that's where the real [TS]

  game really together that's not what the [TS]

  same level over and over and over again [TS]

  I did night [TS]

  that's what has sewers live yeah as all [TS]

  mac users did I used resident to make my [TS]

  own sprites for this game that was [TS]

  before they came out with the critter [TS]

  editor which was the official like way [TS]

  to make your own [TS]

  version of the game and had a level [TS]

  editor as well if you haven't played [TS]

  this game before i would recommend not [TS]

  playing the xbox port because you can't [TS]

  play this game with the thumbstick like [TS]

  it has to be played with the mouse and [TS]

  not only does it have to be played with [TS]

  the mouse has to be played with i think [TS]

  a classic max-style mouse because I'm [TS]

  like if you played an emulation the [TS]

  mouse tracking is way off here on this [TS]

  tiny little stuff you know screen in the [TS]

  middle of your vast screen so listeners [TS]

  dig up an old Mac style mouse and a TBD [TS]

  you speak with her [TS]

  download an emulator and you're just all [TS]

  said it's really easy it really makes a [TS]

  difference also drink jolt cola yeah [TS]

  basically to a hole somewhere in time [TS]

  style room for that era [TS]

  yeah i mean it is the type of game where [TS]

  like you know you can't play it and [TS]

  emulation because everything is off [TS]

  about it in terms of the mouse control [TS]

  and that's the whole game is that mouse [TS]

  control which is that's why it was so [TS]

  hard for people to play because you know [TS]

  they even first-person shooters you're [TS]

  moving a little crosshairs around it [TS]

  feels kind of like 121 even though it's [TS]

  not there is an acceleration curve this [TS]

  game is nothing like that if you've [TS]

  never tried it before [TS]

  try it died immediately had been a great [TS]

  sound effects kind of like the later [TS]

  ambrosia games you know because the mac [TS]

  had real sound [TS]

  I had interesting fun enemies with [TS]

  personalities it was all around [TS]

  well-designed came all right Chris [TS]

  request I played a little bit not a lot [TS]

  it was it was hard but let's play that [TS]

  i'm going to pick an apple to game is on [TS]

  many platforms i know but i learned [TS]

  about it number crunchers number [TS]

  cruncher huh [TS]

  i I'm gonna pick loadrunner help run our [TS]

  nice [TS]

  Oh am I allowed to pick a different [TS]

  version no i wouldn't recommend it [TS]

  just because we aren't going to have [TS]

  that many rounds i love letter [TS]

  I your little guy running around you can [TS]

  dig to your left to your right and bad [TS]

  guys Falling the holes and then [TS]

  swallowed up but if you fall in the hole [TS]

  you could be swallowed up and you also [TS]

  can dig down and there it's a puzzle [TS]

  game you're on you know you you're [TS]

  trying to figure out how to get all of [TS]

  the things that you need to get and get [TS]

  to the exit and not get killed by the [TS]

  guys who are trying to chase you and all [TS]

  you have is your little gun that can [TS]

  make the square to your left to your [TS]

  right if it's a rock [TS]

  go away and infinite variations lots of [TS]

  great levels and a great level of the [TS]

  first time I ever have used a level [TS]

  editor and that was actually really [TS]

  awesome all my Apple to play it for this [TS]

  is a recurring theme here plate for way [TS]

  too long [TS]

  might have actually been the first level [TS]

  editor yeah I think about it i think it [TS]

  was in according to my research earlier [TS]

  today somebody said it was all right [TS]

  because it was gonna be my next thing [TS]

  all right [TS]

  also three and three of us had loved [TS]

  runner on our listings yeah that's nice [TS]

  Monty you should you should groan when I [TS]

  say the name because then it makes me [TS]

  feel better about my baby okay good [TS]

  night I called you a monster [TS]

  oh do i miss that good i'll be there in [TS]

  the editing that would be great [TS]

  anyway did your that I think that I [TS]

  think that was the voice in your head [TS]

  that much haha i did hear that well [TS]

  anyway I love loadrunner played a lot on [TS]

  the Apple to that was the game i played [TS]

  the most of the Apple too and so I pick [TS]

  it out let's do a quick third round and [TS]

  I mean quick and then we'll bring out [TS]

  our dead at the end because otherwise [TS]

  we're gonna be here forever but let's do [TS]

  one more round and try to make it [TS]

  lightning it didn't want to let me say [TS]

  what I have to say about loading photo [TS]

  say yes [TS]

  Monty and John both talk about [TS]

  loadrunner please alright so loader was [TS]

  the first game that I cleared out [TS]

  meaning i completed all the levels lino [TS]

  started from the beginning I i I'm a I I [TS]

  made you know I made my own i think i [TS]

  made more than 150 levels in the [TS]

  backward and I made my own levels [TS]

  probably more than a hundred am I [TS]

  understood everything about the AI the [TS]

  players that like it's not much to the [TS]

  game but like I totally clear that game [TS]

  out and my one-by-one loadrunner story [TS]

  my favorite thing about it is I got it [TS]

  as I got most of my software on a floppy [TS]

  disk for my grandfather from his mac [TS]

  user group meetings so I and I copied [TS]

  onto my computer plated and in the menu [TS]

  will be grayed out item i disabled item [TS]

  that said pirate version and you have no [TS]

  idea how much I want to play the pirate [TS]

  version of this game because I guess he [TS]

  would become a pirate and he on ships or [TS]

  something [TS]

  I was obsessed with it and that's the [TS]

  reason i finished the game is like if I [TS]

  just finish all hundred fifty levels [TS]

  starting from level one it will probably [TS]

  let me play the pirate version and it [TS]

  never did because that disabled menu [TS]

  item was merely indicating the fact that [TS]

  the version of the game that I had was [TS]

  pirated and I was a sad part of my [TS]

  growing up experience and I still think [TS]

  about the potential of a pirate version [TS]

  of the run [TS]

  uh-huh uh-huh i played on the IBM PC [TS]

  where it was also super fun a decade [TS]

  later I'm still angry at one level I [TS]

  remember being level 30 but I could be [TS]

  wrong [TS]

  where you had to kill the enemies and [TS]

  hope that they would respawn in the [TS]

  right place to pick up a box that you [TS]

  couldn't reach ship and then bring it [TS]

  back down to you you'd have to kill them [TS]

  and they would either respond there or [TS]

  in a little box to the left where you [TS]

  couldn't get them any more and it didn't [TS]

  seem fair to me that there was a [TS]

  complete randomness to a level and [TS]

  figured out i just had to sit there [TS]

  waiting for the game to roll the right [TS]

  dice and the version that i played on [TS]

  the Apple to blue bricks red enemies [TS]

  with white pants and our legs whatever [TS]

  they were red on top and white on the [TS]

  bottom and you could use the right and [TS]

  left arrow keys to speed up or slow down [TS]

  time [TS]

  oh yeah so if you gotta if you had it [TS]

  set sort of you knew that it was going [TS]

  to end and they were all going to die in [TS]

  the game and then you're going to win [TS]

  the level you just press the right arrow [TS]

  key a bunch of times and it would happen [TS]

  really fast [TS]

  yeah the mac version of that features [TS]

  well the mac version was all black and [TS]

  white obviously but very you know very [TS]

  fine graphics because the mac had those [TS]

  tiny little pixels is very nice-looking [TS]

  yes much more refined than the Apple to [TS]

  graphics alright loadrunner yeah I'm [TS]

  just trying to get through minor 25 49er [TS]

  so i can play the elusive broken by mr. [TS]

  crack man level yeah yeah the the [TS]

  Pirates of Puget Sound the Pirates of [TS]

  Puget Sound are out there in seattle [TS]

  somewhere [TS]

  dan your turn also many options [TS]

  lightning will never did i do a is for [TS]

  the pc sort of the samurai know if [TS]

  anybody else besides never played this [TS]

  it's a micro pros game from 1989 where [TS]

  you start out as a low-level samurai and [TS]

  you basically work your way up to trying [TS]

  to become like a day meal which is a [TS]

  lord or eventually the Shogun of all [TS]

  japan but the coolest thing about it was [TS]

  that had a bunch of different moods [TS]

  including a war gaming mode where you're [TS]

  out like in a field leaving your armies [TS]

  a melee mode we were like running [TS]

  running at top down version we like [TS]

  running around the city and shooting [TS]

  arrows and stabbing people with your [TS]

  life like Tetris style arts attention [TS]

  all the style and yes i'm getting tired [TS]

  over here [TS]

  textile that would be [TS]

  awesome your driver's license yeah it's [TS]

  not an actual people creates everywhere [TS]

  and then a mode where that's like [TS]

  actually like a samurai dual-mode that's [TS]

  like where your its kind of this wacky [TS]

  sword fighting mode where you have to [TS]

  like get a couple of buttons and show me [TS]

  around the screen and like stab people [TS]

  with very precision swords and it was it [TS]

  was really cool because you built up all [TS]

  these different like resources and of [TS]

  weights it's kind of a strategy game but [TS]

  it's got all these different elements [TS]

  which i loved about it and I used to [TS]

  play with my friend Sean on his pc we [TS]

  take turns and eventually would die and [TS]

  you have to come back as like your son [TS]

  or something like that you were always [TS]

  being born as a samurai with very little [TS]

  honor [TS]

  alright fantastic game good good Monty [TS]

  arm look at the list [TS]

  oh I realized i already had two [TS]

  old-timey games in the text adventure [TS]

  and doom and I'm going even more [TS]

  old-time all nethack I was really [TS]

  worried he was gonna say like stick [TS]

  that's modern I me to that still [TS]

  updating this base war that's true there [TS]

  there's a whole genre at this point [TS]

  called roguelike games that are all [TS]

  basically nethack which you play a [TS]

  little at symbol and you run around an [TS]

  esky maze usually nine rooms per level [TS]

  and you kill letters capital D is a [TS]

  dragon lowercase T's your faithful dog I [TS]

  don't care whether attack or nethack a [TS]

  road i'll play any of them and it's [TS]

  always super fun [TS]

  alright i have seen that it's from the [TS]

  days of unix yes [TS]

  unix I know this the only reason I know [TS]

  that game is from reading the I [TS]

  user-friendly web comic because they [TS]

  were all the characters were always [TS]

  playing that heck in that comic yeah [TS]

  well it tells you pretty much all you [TS]

  need to know about that game pretty much [TS]

  all right [TS]

  nethack it's on the list Erica it's your [TS]

  turn ok well i am going to go with the [TS]

  policy the journeyman project legacy of [TS]

  time [TS]

  yes and it is that despite my pic of the [TS]

  little Daleks game the games that I like [TS]

  the most of the ones that are the most [TS]

  story-based and sort of like where I [TS]

  feel like I'm getting sucked into the [TS]

  game and i really like the store [TS]

  give this one I never actually played [TS]

  the first to journeyman project games [TS]

  but this one involves time travel to [TS]

  three different eras of destruction in [TS]

  the world where it turns out oh my god [TS]

  it was aliens that you know destroyed [TS]

  Atlantis and shangri-la and but then [TS]

  back in in the quote-unquote modern [TS]

  times where you come from there are a [TS]

  couple of some alien races that are [TS]

  coming in and there was there's a little [TS]

  bit about it that kind of reminded me of [TS]

  Babylon 5 a little bit [TS]

  you've got these two different alien [TS]

  races both are there claiming sort of [TS]

  different things and and i think my [TS]

  favorite part was the fact that the time [TS]

  suit that you wear has a little AI guy [TS]

  inside named Albert and he is just [TS]

  hilarious you could you can turn him to [TS]

  give you clues to what to do next and [TS]

  you there like I think three different [TS]

  settings and I always just turned it to [TS]

  the easiest setting not because I wanted [TS]

  to help i actually didn't want to help [TS]

  but he was so funny and the writing for [TS]

  his character was so good that I wanted [TS]

  to make sure that i was hearing [TS]

  absolutely everything that he said [TS]

  without missing any of it so I feel like [TS]

  in a way I sort of cheating on the game [TS]

  but I was more fulfilled than i would [TS]

  have been if i would have gone through [TS]

  and figure it out on my own so I really [TS]

  really enjoyed that game that was one [TS]

  that was it didn't take nearly as much [TS]

  time as ultimate 17 you could actually [TS]

  play it through to the end in a [TS]

  reasonable amount of time and feel [TS]

  pretty good about it you know [TS]

  well tournament project 31 of uh now i [TS]

  really am going because uh one of my [TS]

  friends in college married one of the [TS]

  designers on journeyman project three [TS]

  and he works at Pixar now [TS]

  oh wow which is cool and I victorville [TS]

  Victor navone yes and uh the yeah that's [TS]

  a that's very cool i played that's a [TS]

  dual blending by like yeah i know that's [TS]

  due to language uh that's that's very [TS]

  nice and I played riverplace journeyman [TS]

  project original when it came out and I [TS]

  was blown away that was one of the first [TS]

  really super intense rendered 3d [TS]

  graphics games are played on the mac [TS]

  back in the right when i started do [TS]

  reading about mac stuff that's cool [TS]

  dual image that was very exciting [TS]

  well played guys hey hey you [TS]

  we've invaded an episode of being [TS]

  comfortable together not for the first [TS]

  time and not for the last time [TS]

  well the second part is maybe true [TS]

  that's gonna really depend on Jason [TS]

  well we should probably let people know [TS]

  that your lakhs and your damn they know [TS]

  that [TS]

  come on hey I've been on like 20 [TS]

  episodes of being comfortable then I [TS]

  don't think that's cute that's cute [TS]

  apparently when they just ran the stats [TS]

  I've been on a hundred and twenty-two [TS]

  the I just made up my number but i think [TS]

  it's somewhere around there [TS]

  so why are we here Lex well you when i [TS]

  do another podcast that's on the [TS]

  incomparable podcast network of the [TS]

  stars [TS]

  how the heck do we have time to do that [TS]

  we don't excellent great it's a podcast [TS]

  about time travel we do what we're [TS]

  supposed to be working at sorry Jason [TS]

  you don't work for him anymore that's [TS]

  totally cheating dick anyways our [TS]

  podcast in case you haven't heard of it [TS]

  is called not playing with likes and Dan [TS]

  because that is our names and we're not [TS]

  very creative listeners of this program [TS]

  are familiar with the fact that there [TS]

  was a an ongoing joke on this [TS]

  incomparable podcast that Lex hasn't [TS]

  seen it but there are many many movies [TS]

  that i haven't seen and you I believed [TS]

  an early on joined in the mocking me [TS]

  oh absolutely a hundred percent hundred [TS]

  twenty percent of such thing as possible [TS]

  but what you might dirty little secret [TS]

  is though I have an encyclopedic [TS]

  knowledge of movies i haven't seen there [TS]

  are many movies I to have not seen so [TS]

  thus was not playing born on not playing [TS]

  you and i watch movies together that [TS]

  most of the world has seen or most of [TS]

  the pop-culture enjoying world has seen [TS]

  and we haven't so we watch them together [TS]

  for the first time and we talked about [TS]

  him sometimes we talk over them which is [TS]

  possibly annoying for you possibly [TS]

  entertaining hopefully more of the [TS]

  entertaining that the night yeah so the [TS]

  nice thing is you can get the version of [TS]

  the podcast that's a true commentary [TS]

  track so you can watch it with us as we [TS]

  experience the movie for the first time [TS]

  and if you don't feel like syncing up [TS]

  you know your movie in your your podcast [TS]

  app of choice you can just get the [TS]

  capsule episodes instead where you hear [TS]

  what we know about the movie before we [TS]

  watch it and then what we thought of it [TS]

  afterwards it's basically an [TS]

  incomparable for people who [TS]

  don't know what the hell they're talking [TS]

  about the best part of the entertainment [TS]

  as far as I'm concerned is that you can [TS]

  silently make fun of us and judge us for [TS]

  all the movies that we haven't seen but [TS]

  that we really should have seen ya the [TS]

  the ability to mock us i think is one of [TS]

  not playing finest features i really [TS]

  feel like we should be advertising that [TS]

  more so let's start doing that now [TS]

  please come and make fun of us for not [TS]

  having seen popular movies and so far [TS]

  this season on the incomparable on the [TS]

  coming out of network we've watched what [TS]

  we saw was the first episode of this [TS]

  season while you're it's really stuck in [TS]

  your mind you're ready to go back and [TS]

  re-watch these things we have watched so [TS]

  far fargo fargo yes we've seen moon [TS]

  yes and as you hear this we will have [TS]

  just watched LA confidential [TS]

  that's a pretty good assortment of [TS]

  movies and if you go back to season one [TS]

  there's plenty of movies that you can if [TS]

  you haven't heard those episodes yet go [TS]

  check out when we watch Beverly Hills [TS]

  Cop or even the karate kid which we [TS]

  watch for the first time along with [TS]

  Jason snail who had never seen it [TS]

  perhaps you've heard of him we're not [TS]

  shameless enough to avoid using Jason to [TS]

  pimp our own podcast [TS]

  yep so thanks for tuning into the [TS]

  uncomfortable we hope you'll come over [TS]

  and listen to not playing also on the [TS]

  finding comfortable radio network [TS]

  ah Tony it's your turn I would like to [TS]

  draft a Looking Glass Studios classic [TS]

  game thief the dark project which is [TS]

  another kind of first-person shooter on [TS]

  the more or less created the cell [TS]

  stronger that splinter cell and hit man [TS]

  and other games would go on to turn into [TS]

  lots of money but if the dark project [TS]

  was the first in a series of games that [TS]

  are all set in this really cool [TS]

  steampunk medieval world where you're a [TS]

  thief surprisingly and you are kind of [TS]

  at odds with different factions in this [TS]

  world there's a group of kind of pagans [TS]

  who worshipped nature and have a a weird [TS]

  primal God and diverse group of kind of [TS]

  religious zealots called the hammer [TS]

  rights and there's a kind of neat story [TS]

  with a series of heights and you break [TS]

  into these elaborate castle / mansions [TS]

  and and find things and inevitably [TS]

  there's gonna there's a double-cross and [TS]

  you get pulled into stuff and have to [TS]

  kind of you know save the world as it [TS]

  was but really great game was kind of [TS]

  one of the first first-person shooter [TS]

  games where you were not just necessary [TS]

  having to shoot everybody and you would [TS]

  sneak around and it did really [TS]

  impressive stuff for the time with [TS]

  lighting and sound effects i remember [TS]

  playing and i think i was like home from [TS]

  college for a month in winter and [TS]

  basically just stayed up all night [TS]

  playing this game and entirely shifted [TS]

  my sleeping schedule to sleep from like [TS]

  nine a.m. to whenever you know like I i [TS]

  woke up and started playing fifa again [TS]

  and i just spent all night sneaking [TS]

  around these these dark you know [TS]

  abandoned cathedrals trying to steal [TS]

  gems and you know occasionally getting [TS]

  scared by zombies that I would not [TS]

  expect to find around the corner but [TS]

  yeah it was a great game the sequel to [TS]

  it I through the middle age is also [TS]

  really great the sequels to those there [TS]

  have been two cents are disappointing [TS]

  yeah the dark project looking glass [TS]

  studios with the first game i drafted [TS]

  that uh apparently seamless did not need [TS]

  to draft so how now I have a [TS]

  lookingglass game on my list but it was [TS]

  not that one [TS]

  okay since you somehow i never got [TS]

  around to playing thief when you're [TS]

  living the world of thief would you like [TS]

  to walk into the room where the computer [TS]

  was likely the light off and stay in the [TS]

  shadows and I played in pitch black [TS]

  it's really exciting you played it is [TS]

  black i mean i think i played i probably [TS]

  the sims in pitch-black that was just [TS]

  you know who I was a teenager but you'll [TS]

  definitely yeah a little different [TS]

  alright that was great and Steve it's [TS]

  your turn whole boy since this is [TS]

  probably the last full round [TS]

  hmm decisions decisions i got two games [TS]

  from 1981 and I think I'm gonna go with [TS]

  road I yeah it fell off the table i'm [TS]

  just going to pick castle wolfenstein [TS]

  the original castle wolfenstein by Silas [TS]

  Warner huh [TS]

  I brought a lot to the table for a game [TS]

  on the Apple to in 1981 which was pretty [TS]

  early in the life cycle of our way out [TS]

  of the computer your prisoner a Nazi [TS]

  castle you overpowered a guard you take [TS]

  his gun it's actually the same plot as [TS]

  wolfenstein 3d which came much later the [TS]

  goal in this is to find the scene plans [TS]

  what's that we've had pure DS it had [TS]

  fewer three fewer actually yeah you want [TS]

  to find the secret plan an escape from [TS]

  the cast with your life [TS]

  the crazy thing was that [TS]

  Castle rooms and the location of the [TS]

  guards were totally randomly generated [TS]

  so you know of course you didn't know [TS]

  what you're going to run into in any [TS]

  given room although I guess the layout [TS]

  of the castle was the same every time [TS]

  which is something I never picked up [TS]

  that uh Hannah picked up on at age nine [TS]

  but it was very cool and very very tense [TS]

  for a game with such rudimentary [TS]

  graphics and sound and sometimes you [TS]

  could find a guard uniform which would [TS]

  fool the standard guards and you could [TS]

  sneak around them but then you run [TS]

  across these armored SS troopers and [TS]

  they were much smarter and they could [TS]

  pick out and I'm sculpting past the [TS]

  guards and hoping to God and SS doesn't [TS]

  show up in the next room and rat you out [TS]

  was it was pretty pretty tense stuff [TS]

  back in nineteen eighty-one it also i [TS]

  think i think it probably qualifies as [TS]

  like the first-ever stealth Title III [TS]

  could even see it maybe as like the [TS]

  first survival horror game because you [TS]

  have very limited ammo and resources and [TS]

  it definitely was pretty scary it and it [TS]

  also included i think one of the first [TS]

  uses if not the first use of digitized [TS]

  voices the guards will yell at optimum [TS]

  when they spot you or they will call us [TS]

  find hunt when you flee the room and [TS]

  actually the voices in Wolfenstein 3d I [TS]

  think kind of parody that just a little [TS]

  bit and I think probably the first hack [TS]

  that i can remember was based on Castle [TS]

  Wolfenstein it was something called [TS]

  castle smurfin Stein in which yes they [TS]

  had replaced all of the guards with [TS]

  Smurfs who are almost actually more [TS]

  satisfying to kill the knots haha and [TS]

  they died more energetically too but [TS]

  yeah castle wolfenstein fantastic game i [TS]

  got an apple emulator and you haven't [TS]

  played it give it give it a go because [TS]

  it's a surprisingly advanced complicated [TS]

  fun game and I think still actually [TS]

  holds up right [TS]

  Castle Wolfenstein I had that one to [TS]

  apply that one a bit on the Apple to [TS]

  John ok my next pick is myth cola the [TS]

  fallen lords the original myth game [TS]

  across them off find fun [TS]

  I never liked RTS games and myth if you [TS]

  just if [TS]

  if you first look at myth it looks like [TS]

  it's an RTS game but you know it maybe [TS]

  it's like an RCS game in the only [TS]

  interesting feature that you can see the [TS]

  screenshots as 3d terrain which by the [TS]

  way is optionally hardware-accelerated [TS]

  only only if you have the correct card [TS]

  but myth was not an RTS it was more of [TS]

  an RTT it removed everything I hated [TS]

  about RTS there's no mining there's no [TS]

  tech trees is no factories is no [TS]

  resources you start the game with a [TS]

  fixed amount of points you spend them on [TS]

  units the cost variable amounts and then [TS]

  you fight until somebody wins and that's [TS]

  because of that the 3d terrain wasn't [TS]

  just some stupid frill in the game 3d [TS]

  terrain was the whole game it was [TS]

  crucial the whole game was about tactics [TS]

  arranging your troops working with the [TS]

  terrain what's in there the different [TS]

  features water different ground surfaces [TS]

  I that was what the game was all about [TS]

  and when you lost one of your archers [TS]

  that guy was never coming back [TS]

  you can't build another Archer and if [TS]

  you're down one Archer against it you [TS]

  know you have for artists like I has [TS]

  five you've got a serious serious [TS]

  problem and of course they scaled up to [TS]

  this big giants and everything and that [TS]

  every unit had different abilities and [TS]

  you know you could rotate around the [TS]

  battlefield in 3d and get different [TS]

  vantage points in zip for one place to [TS]

  the other in some ways it was [TS]

  rudimentary and like the later games in [TS]

  this series would sort of be what it was [TS]

  supposed to be but man did I spend so [TS]

  long playing this game I and it's [TS]

  sequels on the internet / 56k modem or [TS]

  whatever it was that I'm just hours and [TS]

  hours and hours and it never got old [TS]

  like we didn't stop playing because it [TS]

  got too boring or whatever we just [TS]

  stopped playing out and all because we [TS]

  got too busy or played other games i [TS]

  would i would play miss to this day I [TS]

  wish there was a like like EV I wish [TS]

  there was a part of this on the ipad [TS]

  that I could play right now i agree i [TS]

  agree and then myth to slope later as [TS]

  well these are hard [TS]

  these are really hard i used all the [TS]

  keys because you could you could set [TS]

  like all the number keys to be different [TS]

  formations as presets and you had to go [TS]

  you had to you had to [TS]

  yeah like the control is fairly [TS]

  sophisticated there's a different form [TS]

  like it was it was like playing go it's [TS]

  like comparing a regular RTS seems to me [TS]

  like checkers and this was like go [TS]

  because the the number of things you [TS]

  could do it like why did I lose that [TS]

  battle we had the same amount of troops [TS]

  they faced each other face-to-face how [TS]

  did I lose like it it would almost seem [TS]

  like it was a random but it was not you [TS]

  had to know how to play this game was [TS]

  very complicated [TS]

  yeah yeah [TS]

  very hard to graphics are beautiful a [TS]

  camera the camera was really hard to [TS]

  control as i read i recall the getting [TS]

  the perspective right was really hard [TS]

  does that sound right to you John I i [TS]

  found it hard to win to win games [TS]

  here's his one of the like the super [TS]

  monkey ball video that i saw that [TS]

  changed my life the video that changed [TS]

  my life about myth was I saw someone [TS]

  play through the entire is in the entire [TS]

  game or maybe just the entire final [TS]

  level without taking damage which you [TS]

  would never imagine would be a thing [TS]

  that is possible and yet I saw it with [TS]

  my very own eyes and it was not a cheat [TS]

  and I was amazed that shows the level of [TS]

  mastery like I said it's like go [TS]

  yeah great game I wow it's my turn i [TS]

  have so many have so many choices i got [TS]

  the two big ones i got the two that i [TS]

  really wanted uh okay in honor of sports [TS]

  games i'm gonna pick ssi computer [TS]

  baseball which I was available on many [TS]

  platforms from strategic simulations [TS]

  incorporated which I think at one point [TS]

  was owned by avalon hill [TS]

  this was a a computer baseball game in [TS]

  which you did not play baseball like an [TS]

  arcade it was a baseball manager [TS]

  simulation so you would say what you [TS]

  will do you want to pitch or hit and [TS]

  change your picture but you didn't have [TS]

  to like try to hit the ball that was [TS]

  your players job and you could not only [TS]

  didn't have I i think twenty teams from [TS]

  throughout history world series teams [TS]

  from the 20th century but you could also [TS]

  actually format a disk as a team disk [TS]

  and get the stats from the baseball [TS]

  encyclopedia and enter in the contest [TS]

  any other team you wanted from baseball [TS]

  history or type in the names of your [TS]

  friends give them 500 home runs and and [TS]

  then see what happened so i played this [TS]

  game in 7th 6th 7th 8th grade i think a [TS]

  lot and it is to this day I think every [TS]

  computer i've ever owned since has had [TS]

  an apple to emulator on it with a disk [TS]

  image of ssi computer baseball which was [TS]

  great it was also really hard doesn't to [TS]

  copy the file because they have really [TS]

  good copy protection [TS]

  that's what I remember is like the copy [TS]

  protection was so good that it actually [TS]

  was hard too hard to save your your team [TS]

  disk because they had a weird disc [TS]

  format they used but this is for me this [TS]

  is the the basis of a lot of my interest [TS]

  in baseball and baseball statistics is [TS]

  coming from playing this game which was [TS]

  you know not not you know not an arcade [TS]

  game by the simulation game it was great [TS]

  silence a baseball [TS]

  whoo yeah we way to ruin you know [TS]

  something pure and unadulterated like [TS]

  video games with sports yes [TS]

  yeah I had to do it you go why don't you [TS]

  go outside it's not even a sports game [TS]

  it's a management of sports game [TS]

  simulating the manager not the general [TS]

  manager not a player it's it's like it's [TS]

  like if you play half life and your job [TS]

  was like you were going the ammo Depot [TS]

  and you manufacture communication and [TS]

  integrates the garden would find a mate [TS]

  and have heard that in one of the [TS]

  expansions but so we we actually had a [TS]

  league in elementary school we had a 6 [TS]

  team league on a schedule and we would [TS]

  we would have lunch time we would bring [TS]

  your little sandwiches the computer room [TS]

  and we would play computer baseball [TS]

  nationwide you agree with me when I say [TS]

  that the baseball manager perhaps has [TS]

  the least to do with his team's success [TS]

  in any sport that's a while that's a [TS]

  real that's probably a good question for [TS]

  a sports-related podcast Monty then [TS]

  there are there is there is some [TS]

  evidence to show that that that they [TS]

  have very little control except for the [TS]

  very best managers they have very little [TS]

  control over the team's win-loss record [TS]

  I'm not sure whether that's more or less [TS]

  than other sports i would argue that [TS]

  like a basketball manager or coach has [TS]

  almost no they don't even they could [TS]

  just have like a tree a lot of politics [TS]

  potted plant on the sideline their wares [TS]

  they wear suits them they do it but [TS]

  baseball manager wears a uniform like he [TS]

  could just run right out there and start [TS]

  playing at any moment in the days of [TS]

  Petros yeah the player managers yes [TS]

  that's where there were some play reg [TS]

  good knowledge dan wait a way to support [TS]

  it up thanks sorry i know i know that's [TS]

  a ball as they say it guys this is home [TS]

  yeah okay let's do anything about it [TS]

  if you're just tuning in your listening [TS]

  to sports talk [TS]

  this is jason and Dan try and one-up [TS]

  each other on big baseball things that I [TS]

  don't understand he all of my all of my [TS]

  uh uh all my classmates chose classic [TS]

  victorious stacked the world series [TS]

  teams from history it's still happening [TS]

  I took the 69 Mets who were improbable [TS]

  and quite frankly not very good although [TS]

  they did win the World Series and I [TS]

  don't know why did that that was really [TS]

  stupid and when i get done recording [TS]

  here i have to go out to my kitchen [TS]

  where my kitchen table is taken up with [TS]

  an 8-foot lego baseball stadium which is [TS]

  going to be there for at least you're [TS]

  welcome hi I'm going to take partial [TS]

  credit for that just for the community [TS]

  baseball fans so anyway yeah q4 let's uh [TS]

  let's move to the a clearance around [TS]

  when everybody can just tell me all the [TS]

  things they didn't pick Clarence time [TS]

  Dan bring out your dead bring out your [TS]

  dead [TS]

  alright i had might magic to quake 3 [TS]

  arena [TS]

  well I had that one rainbow six and i [TS]

  added a few well I was listening uh [TS]

  rescue the max shower game that was [TS]

  basically a star trek rip off then [TS]

  forced to not be a star trek ripoff [TS]

  great game em track which I don't even [TS]

  know of accounts was like a telnet based [TS]

  game that you played with that was like [TS]

  Star Trek based and the original [TS]

  neverwinter nights [TS]

  alright that's my clearance very nice [TS]

  solid very nice will put those put those [TS]

  out on the table outside in the [TS]

  five-dollar Bob uh-huh [TS]

  ah Monty um I had one fairly modern game [TS]

  I City of Heroes which is the only MMO [TS]

  I've ever really stuck with I 20 Tommie [TS]

  sports games one was one-on-one dr. J vs [TS]

  Larry Bird [TS]

  oh yeah sports spot [TS]

  birds eated Tony you could smash the [TS]

  backboard if you don't just write and [TS]

  then the little janitor would have to [TS]

  come out and sweep it up yeah I was the [TS]

  best part amazing graphics when you [TS]

  smash the blackboard i remember that i [TS]

  think i wrecked an apple to Joystiq with [TS]

  that game that was just for you just [TS]

  keep mashing that button come on don't [TS]

  get done get you [TS]

  yep yes and I understand sports games as [TS]

  you people say from downtown [TS]

  yeah there's high school college and pro [TS]

  and i had another sports game Microsoft [TS]

  D capital on which was for the pc oh [TS]

  that was a good one for the hundred-yard [TS]

  dash you did alternating one into as [TS]

  fast as you could [TS]

  another hardware breaking game yeah that [TS]

  was on the Apple to as well as that's [TS]

  where i jacked up my keyboard on the [TS]

  Apple to was called the olympic [TS]

  decathlon and I still think about that [TS]

  game every time i hear the Olympic theme [TS]

  song because the 8-bit version of the [TS]

  Olympic song that came out of the [TS]

  computer start with me it was a bigger [TS]

  deal with the Apple too though because [TS]

  that keyboard is built right into the [TS]

  rest of the computer [TS]

  oh yeah oh you didn't want to jack up [TS]

  your one and two and that start work led [TS]

  to the old republic that councils a [TS]

  computer game at a council gain my [TS]

  ultimate pic was Ultima 4 which was my [TS]

  first ultimate had a cloth map and a pc [TS]

  shareware game called Snipes that I [TS]

  don't think I dreamed but i can't find [TS]

  anything about it on the internet it got [TS]

  put away for tax evasion you run around [TS]

  shooting things and amazed [TS]

  Wow all right very nice thats way to the [TS]

  lighting all right Erica what did you [TS]

  have left [TS]

  not a whole lot i kept my list short [TS]

  because I knew how many of us different [TS]

  quick to be so my leftovers are simcity [TS]

  2000 which was my first simcity game [TS]

  played mostly in chemistry class because [TS]

  i had a pretty awesome teacher mist [TS]

  which was super super fun and one of the [TS]

  first games that that had a soundtrack [TS]

  that just like has sucked me in ambient [TS]

  noise and whatnot and then I just based [TS]

  on the amount of time I spent playing [TS]

  anyone game it was the 2005 original [TS]

  version of jewel quest so not the lame [TS]

  version that you can play face [TS]

  look now like the actual game with all [TS]

  of the the the boards of the Mayan mine [TS]

  God's talking to you and stuff that was [TS]

  awesome and then last but not least [TS]

  minesweeper da3 better huh well you [TS]

  can't make any more pics about that [TS]

  no what no one is brave enough to [TS]

  solitary yeah not yet thought about it [TS]

  but I play minesweeper a lot more Tony [TS]

  my next pic would have been starcraft [TS]

  which I consider a classic real-time [TS]

  strategy game also if you notice [TS]

  half-life grim fandango if the dark [TS]

  project and starcraft which are some of [TS]

  the best games ever made all came out [TS]

  the same year 1998 good year for video [TS]

  games other games that i like they're on [TS]

  my list [TS]

  deus ex is a classic first-person [TS]

  shooter RPG cyberpunk game Sam and Max [TS]

  in the road is one of my favorite [TS]

  adventure games based on the wacky [TS]

  comics by Steve Purcell secret of monkey [TS]

  island was probably kind of my first [TS]

  adventure game which is a amazing game [TS]

  that's been ported to many things but [TS]

  has been mentioned it's hilarious [TS]

  it has insult swordfighting it's great [TS]

  you should play it on [TS]

  yes Dan drafted TIE fighter because he's [TS]

  good [TS]

  the sims is basically you know if [TS]

  minecraft is free legos forever The Sims [TS]

  is playing with dolls forever but you [TS]

  know I spent a summer doing that um and [TS]

  last but not least counter-strike which [TS]

  similar to portal is but it was [TS]

  basically a half-life mod that somehow [TS]

  became its own game which is fantastic [TS]

  and i played for hundreds and hundreds [TS]

  of hours at one point I got banned from [TS]

  a server because they assumed I was [TS]

  cheating because I was doing what I [TS]

  hadn't died in life I've efforts so yeah [TS]

  those are my games there enough we won't [TS]

  judge you [TS]

  Steve all right brace yourself [TS]

  let's see first my first video of my [TS]

  first computer game mystery house not a [TS]

  great game but but a good one [TS]

  I see scrolling down [TS]

  Wing Commander which was the superior [TS]

  space combat game Ultima 4 was already [TS]

  mentioned neuromancer a great great / [TS]

  art an RPG / adventure hybrid robot [TS]

  Rascals from nineteen eighty six grand [TS]

  theft auto 3 [TS]

  Gabriel Knight sins of the fathers the [TS]

  little computer people project which [TS]

  predated the sims by about 20 years [TS]

  alter ego Archon Archon oh man [TS]

  archon was wonderful that was great i [TS]

  played with played the heck out of that [TS]

  Seven Cities of Gold the bard's tale [TS]

  pinball Construction Set ya sub logic [TS]

  flight simulator which I log far more [TS]

  hours into than I care to mention [TS]

  especially considering the NSA is [TS]

  probably listening law of the West crush [TS]

  crumble and chomp Planescape torment and [TS]

  Ultima Underworld lots of ultimate [TS]

  coming out here lots of good games as [TS]

  well it should be [TS]

  John your list i tried to him I was [TS]

  short too and you see I got less than [TS]

  half of it huh [TS]

  the next game on my list is a ribbon [TS]

  which like Star Wars is the rare case [TS]

  where the sequel is better than the [TS]

  original lunar rescue I would have [TS]

  picked it but I could never finish it so [TS]

  i picked mr. which they did finished [TS]

  oh you missed that was his great great [TS]

  endgame gonna rescue which is a game you [TS]

  none of you have ever heard of this is a [TS]

  mac game and this has the distinction of [TS]

  being a game [TS]

  I've always games with my own money [TS]

  because my parents and we playing games [TS]

  i bought their rescue twice because the [TS]

  floppy disk went bad and i still have [TS]

  both original boxes and both lobbyists [TS]

  which are both probably now bad and [TS]

  that's another game my friend and i both [TS]

  played together side-by-side quick 33 [TS]

  arena which has already been picked the [TS]

  best pure first-person shooter [TS]

  multiplayer game i think to this day I [TS]

  and unreal tournament 2004 which is the [TS]

  first time I really got into a game like [TS]

  sort of a more modern FPS with vehicles [TS]

  and more complicated game tights and we [TS]

  play that we put that pretty much every [TS]

  gay day at lunch for like two years at [TS]

  one of the jobs i had all right my list [TS]

  i have marathon too because i had to [TS]

  pick up version of marathon and that was [TS]

  my favorite marathon too great [TS]

  multiplayer my first real lengthy time [TS]

  playing first-person shooter was really [TS]

  good good story to it's stories like [TS]

  marathon one before half-time yes oh yes [TS]

  several years before half-life karateka [TS]

  I'm [TS]

  during my karateka t-shirt right now I [TS]

  love karateka on the Apple to play that [TS]

  a lot love that game [TS]

  choplifter from rotor button for the [TS]

  Apple top lifter night you got you got [TS]

  your little helicopter guy you gotta [TS]

  pick up the guys you know it was great [TS]

  dan gorlin ultima three exodus is on my [TS]

  list i played out all the way through an [TS]

  8th grade in the hallway [TS]

  our teacher when we were done with our [TS]

  way in class work we just let us go in [TS]

  the hallway and play ultimate three on [TS]

  the Apple to that was out there and we [TS]

  played it all the way through that was [TS]

  the first game i heared how to how to [TS]

  cheat on i think we had a sector and we [TS]

  can we took our safe files and checked [TS]

  up on our steps [TS]

  Oh shame on you yeah i think there is a [TS]

  utility that did that I do remember that [TS]

  now [TS]

  shame on you I in the text adventure [TS]

  category i wanted to mention scott adams [TS]

  pirate adventure that's the first real [TS]

  text adventure that I played and I [TS]

  played it all the way through to the end [TS]

  and I figured out every last little bit [TS]

  of it [TS]

  I know it's not as fashionable as the [TS]

  infocomm games which were much more [TS]

  nuanced and well-written but that was [TS]

  what I first saw and I I could remember [TS]

  details of it every time anybody [TS]

  mentioned among groups or a cobra I [TS]

  don't think rikki-tikki-tavi I think you [TS]

  can get the Mongoose and drop it in [TS]

  front of the Cobra and then you can get [TS]

  in the door so i love scott adams games [TS]

  on all my computers to ya really don't [TS]

  hold up yeah i'm sure they don't know [TS]

  but I've got that map in my head [TS]

  somewhere [TS]

  the first great game i ever played with [TS]

  a mouse's shuffle puck cafe [TS]

  yes fantastic fantastic game it's its [TS]

  air hockey except your original mac [TS]

  mouse was the air hockey paddle used to [TS]

  cheat it that by making a paddle as wide [TS]

  as yeah these folks haha that's another [TS]

  thing with mouse control you couldn't [TS]

  play that with a paddle or a joystick [TS]

  would be impossible [TS]

  no it was made for a mouse and you [TS]

  played various characters aliens I was [TS]

  said and basically like a star wars [TS]

  cantina ripoff [TS]

  exactly and they all have different [TS]

  powers and you too and then you just [TS]

  some of the others think I like [TS]

  levitated the paddle like weed control [TS]

  is hardly with their mind it was [TS]

  surprisingly deep and [TS]

  Christine gameplay from the AIS they [TS]

  were very very different from each other [TS]

  you know I was great and then I got two [TS]

  oddballs I pic tetris why not pick pipe [TS]

  dream which i love [TS]

  oh yeah love it that which would appear [TS]

  which would appear in future games many [TS]

  many times over as a minigame is there a [TS]

  good version of pipe dream for the [TS]

  iPhone because I would really like to [TS]

  play that game on the iphone and the [TS]

  ipad i love that game that was LucasArts [TS]

  game to wasn't yeah what so what that [TS]

  game i played the mac version i played [TS]

  the mac version too but I'm just saying [TS]

  it would be nice with that's LucasArts [TS]

  before they were LucasArts John that was [TS]

  a DA that wasn't even a full game it was [TS]

  a DA having it was in the Apple menu [TS]

  no it's great and last i got to mention [TS]

  it because it would be my children's [TS]

  choice [TS]

  minecraft Oh minecraft which is obsessed [TS]

  my children and when they have their own [TS]

  whatever the 20 20 is 20 30 is [TS]

  equivalent of a podcast is and they're [TS]

  reminiscing about video games through 3d [TS]

  telepathic whatever they will toss will [TS]

  be the game they avoid because they know [TS]

  everybody else is going to pick they [TS]

  exactly everybody will pick minecraft [TS]

  and talk about all the different mods if [TS]

  my child is any indication they will [TS]

  still be playing it yes my children may [TS]

  be playing it right now [TS]

  so those are my pics and that's it we we [TS]

  talked about the computer games didn't [TS]

  weigh the rot your brains are bad for [TS]

  you damn kids [TS]

  the computer games yeah look how we all [TS]

  turned out stay away kids stay away [TS]

  definitely definitely a bad sign [TS]

  you just don't do it don't do it we are [TS]

  let us be an object lesson to you don't [TS]

  go down our path [TS]

  alright i would like to thank my [TS]

  shameless sad video game homeless [TS]

  destroyed destitute video game addicts [TS]

  just shameless is quite accurate [TS]

  I am unemployed so there's bad have you [TS]

  no shame [TS]

  Monty nope ok I should that but you [TS]

  don't I accepted who IM long ago [TS]

  okay good good for you so I'd like to [TS]

  thank in order of initiative I'd like to [TS]

  thank my guests and more and thanks for [TS]

  thanks for being here [TS]

  I got a stable few hours and play video [TS]

  games now [TS]

  thanks Jason you're welcome many of [TS]

  these games are available on emulators [TS]

  for you to play play some loadrunner i [TS]

  recommend i prescribed to you load [TS]

  runner [TS]

  yeah and when you get tired of that [TS]

  tetris really good for RSI if you want [TS]

  to get scrip for scrip for sleeping if [TS]

  you'd like to get some RSI tetris is how [TS]

  to get it [TS]

  that's all I'm saying Monty Ashley hello [TS]

  thank you goodbye hell yes I was like [TS]

  hope that's okay [TS]

  oh thank you for being here [TS]

  I was glad to be here and reminisce [TS]

  about the things with which I wasted my [TS]

  life [TS]

  yeah yep yep we had a good time doing it [TS]

  didn't we [TS]

  yep Erica and sign thank you thank you [TS]

  you know it's a good thing I don't have [TS]

  a job right now because now i'm inspired [TS]

  to play through ultimate 7000 me like [TS]

  three months alright it's good and [TS]

  ultimately we got everybody had some [TS]

  ultimate on their list almost it's [TS]

  that's pretty cool [TS]

  nope I think I'm having the only on not [TS]

  ultimately that was formative I Tony [TS]

  sindelar thank you i'm totally still [TS]

  awake [TS]

  thank you that's good you can trick go [TS]

  back to sleep Tony it's okay this is [TS]

  just a dream [TS]

  it's been a dream this dream is so listy [TS]

  yeah I know draft coming soon had a [TS]

  dream that I was drafting things Steve [TS]

  let's thank you for being here and CC [TS]

  colon CD backsplash games backslash and [TS]

  PS civ dot that alright sorry Jason you [TS]

  say something I nope [TS]

  oh alright alright just get so much skin [TS]

  civilization go ahead [TS]

  excellent John siracusa thanks for being [TS]

  here how do you feel about a classic mac [TS]

  games draft Jason would that just be you [TS]

  and me didn't you guys just kind of do [TS]

  that haha no idea how deep this rabbit [TS]

  hole goes it does it does i didn't get a [TS]

  mac until i was a sophomore in college [TS]

  but it still goes deep because once [TS]

  you're in college you really have time [TS]

  to kill Lou and yes that's it it's just [TS]

  me thank you me you're welcome post how [TS]

  much we just broke down here at least we [TS]

  have this recorded see kids don't play [TS]

  video games [TS]

  alright thanks to everybody out there [TS]

  for listening to be uncomfortable [TS]

  yeah don't listen to your parents play [TS]

  some video games they're fun goodnight [TS]

  everybody [TS]