Roderick on the Line

◼   ► this episode of Roderick on the wine is

◼   ► sponsored by cards against humanity this

◼   ► month they asked the double clicks to

◼   ► help me say hi to john

◼   ► it's big

◼   ► [Music]

◼   ► hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going

◼   ► good I i had some audio problems there

◼   ► and then I realized what I had done is I

◼   ► had muted muted the computer

◼   ► oh whatever happened to you i'm betting

◼   ► happens dormant yeah yeah i was watching

◼   ► The Young Ones last night on the YouTube

◼   ► and then I i I'm muted it after a while

◼   ► I just wanted to capture the visual

◼   ► components of civilians stick

◼   ► yeah I muted I think because it didn't

◼   ► because it because it wasn't as great as

◼   ► I remembered it being when in 1984

◼   ► yeah that's that that's that's a tall

◼   ► order yeah it's still it's still pretty

◼   ► manic did you watch University Challenge

◼   ► I did ya boy it's got its moments though

◼   ► you Lori Lori you get that get the m

◼   ► thompson yes team right all Emma

◼   ► Thompson isn't she wonderful

◼   ► mm you got you got to your head yeah

◼   ► Motorhead's there who all the greats in

◼   ► des moines animated sock at one point I

◼   ► think so and there's a yeah there are a

◼   ► few there's an animated sock that the

◼   ► washing machines rebell but let let's

◼   ► not talk about the young ones as much as

◼   ► I want to my this layers you know you

◼   ► got the other got to get a story you got

◼   ► your laundry gotta be story University

◼   ► Challenge you gotta see story which is

◼   ► no really really needs to use the toilet

◼   ► yeah if it keeps in his buzzer that's

◼   ► good stuff

◼   ► oh but

◼   ► really have to go there's an episode of

◼   ► that show i don't think it's that 1i but

◼   ► it might be is that the wonders of this

◼   ► very brief like 30 second flash where

◼   ► they all play each other

◼   ► yeah that there is that and that's

◼   ► wonderful

◼   ► and then you only ever heard the guy who

◼   ► plays Neil I mean I don't unfamiliar

◼   ► with stuff he's done outside of their

◼   ► it's so weird to hear him not being Neil

◼   ► well yeah and and Rick does such a

◼   ► fantastic impression million billion

◼   ► that you're like oh wow that's a while

◼   ► that was really good you know then that

◼   ► show actually did introduce me to

◼   ► Motorhead I had no experience of

◼   ► motörhead until nineteen eighty-four

◼   ► whatever when I saw a Motorhead perform

◼   ► ace of spades on the young ones and I

◼   ► said whatever the hell kind of music

◼   ► that is I want it i'm gonna- name

◼   ► yeah yeah well i would go so far as to

◼   ► say that with the exception of glycine

◼   ► remember very well i would say madness

◼   ► with the exception of maybe like madness

◼   ► and they can you eat the man that the

◼   ► date when the damn door on there when

◼   ► they were in their vampire looking stage

◼   ► yeah I knew about the Damned because i

◼   ► was a big fan of Captain sensible oh I

◼   ► asked one of those names i just know

◼   ► from books

◼   ► captain sensible was a member of the

◼   ► Damned and he had a single very early on

◼   ► in mtv single called Walt wot ? huh

◼   ► the chorus to which meant i said captain

◼   ► that they said captain I said one is a

◼   ► captain

◼   ► so why this video like Captain so what

◼   ► and then some mother with lyrics is

◼   ► where it's almost a little bit papi

◼   ► well yeah it's it's sort of its little

◼   ► rappy and he is walking around sort of

◼   ► English and a hundred Allah o always

◼   ► thought it was public housing but maybe

◼   ► it is a hotel and and I really really

◼   ► connected with that song when i was 13

◼   ► or 14 and sew them then I they learn

◼   ► about the damned backwards which I guess

◼   ► you know how we're gonna do

◼   ► african-american and Puerto Rican people

◼   ► in particular from New York City get a

◼   ► lot of

◼   ► credit for hip-hop mhm i don't think we

◼   ► give enough credit all the way people to

◼   ► help hip-hop well-proven colons and cute

◼   ► and columnist Mike use all that was I

◼   ► mean that's the Rosetta Stone of Rapids

◼   ► be honest

◼   ► yeah it goes do you take James Brown you

◼   ► take your George Clinton but let's be

◼   ► honest it goes all the way back to a

◼   ► italian comedian yeah yeah who's making

◼   ► up who's making mouth sounds let you

◼   ► know so sure I mean he's word let's be

◼   ► honest he basically created rap

◼   ► yeah but then any would wrap have gotten

◼   ► big

◼   ► if it weren't for Captain sensible if it

◼   ► weren't for uh Falco right if it weren't

◼   ► for blondie right they really

◼   ► popularized the genre i think so yeah

◼   ► yeah they should there should be like a

◼   ► baseball hall-of-fame except for the

◼   ► white people that really help wrap it in

◼   ► accountancy minnetonka know my parade

◼   ► sure and what about well now i'm trying

◼   ► to think did did annoying lift balloon

◼   ► now that's such a rap song

◼   ► see that's a you know just the Germans

◼   ► just the Germans and the Austrians alone

◼   ► that that helped popularize wrap that's

◼   ► a really good point i don't think i

◼   ► don't think white germanic peoples get

◼   ► the credit they deserve well for most

◼   ► things that don't

◼   ► well that's true that's good very

◼   ► well-organized think about how I think

◼   ► about the trains no sure I do I think

◼   ► about the trains know I know you pop

◼   ► would have gotten bigger if they spend

◼   ► more time doing German versions of songs

◼   ► like EE take something you know like a

◼   ► rappers delight I think if they done in

◼   ► German as well apparently they did that

◼   ► like very quickly you know and like a

◼   ► take

◼   ► yeah well it'sit's it shows be given

◼   ► given the amount of technical and vocal

◼   ► dexterity that is required in

◼   ► contemporary rap when you listen to

◼   ► Sugar Hill Gang we listen to the

◼   ► original original like formative Rap

◼   ► Tracks it really does feel like people

◼   ► are improvising some words and i think

◼   ► one of the dudes the kids biggest part

◼   ► was ghostwritten I know this from

◼   ► probably a public radio show tonight

◼   ► what I know about rappers lame also also

◼   ► something that really popular

◼   ► strap public radio well I think could be

◼   ► honest with you I think I don't think

◼   ► Public Radio gets the credit it deserves

◼   ► you're right for making hip hop as big

◼   ► as it is it is you know you you have

◼   ► you've opened a a a whole line of

◼   ► inquiry there needs to be a netflix

◼   ► series about this that enough with the

◼   ► weed documentaries enough with the

◼   ► documentaries about food

◼   ► how about a six-part documentary on

◼   ► history of white people in rap music

◼   ► like you're like your crazy uncle yeah

◼   ► here's my name and I'm here to say like

◼   ► at the wedding reception you know for

◼   ► sure well you know I actually have some

◼   ► this is awful

◼   ► what I'm about to reveal but pre beastie

◼   ► boys gonna say 84 my friends and I had a

◼   ► rap group

◼   ► hmm Wow and utterly days it and this is

◼   ► this is terrible but we were called the

◼   ► white fresh crew the weight freshman

◼   ► right yeah and we were Alaska that's

◼   ► right it does everything it says on the

◼   ► tin except for being fresh and being a

◼   ► crook

◼   ► we were created has been the white and

◼   ► i'm pretty sure that we sculpt crew like

◼   ► Motley Crue oh nice ride the white fresh

◼   ► crew

◼   ► uh-huh and what we didn't I'm not

◼   ► embarrassed about this but it's hot it

◼   ► maybe is hard to imagine it's almost

◼   ► like a alternate universe door that we

◼   ► didn't step through but we would on a

◼   ► friday night go into my basement and

◼   ► beatbox out here and rap to each other

◼   ► just and it was just the three or four

◼   ► of us and we wouldn't we would march in

◼   ► a circle right so we'd start walking and

◼   ► then we would take turns improvin and

◼   ► and but we will but we're marching right

◼   ► because because i am I don't know maybe

◼   ► the maybe the look or the rhythm of like

◼   ► four guys standing in a circle and of

◼   ► moving

◼   ► arms in a penis or like boom boom you

◼   ► know like yo-yo way maybe that had

◼   ► evolved yet more like a like a street

◼   ► corner and less like a circle jerk

◼   ► should have some emotion and what we

◼   ► were moving right yeah sure marching

◼   ► marching in a circle and we were kind of

◼   ► we were so we're doing the exact thing

◼   ► that we're wrapping into the center of

◼   ► the circle right we were marching like

◼   ► rapping in the back of our heads we were

◼   ► wrapping into the middle but we were we

◼   ► were emotion it's gonna get that kind of

◼   ► breakdancing vibe we got people kind of

◼   ► shucking and jiving next circle that's

◼   ► right that's right and we were we were

◼   ► with there was a breakdancing element

◼   ► but none of us would would would

◼   ► necessarily try to try to do any

◼   ► breaking but a you know it was tall

◼   ► wrapping around here where the white

◼   ► first crew and we take no crap you dish

◼   ► it out and it don't come back type of

◼   ► run DMC style rhymes

◼   ► yeah I caught the 123456 around yeah and

◼   ► we do this we did this for quite a while

◼   ► as a as a sort of you know friday

◼   ► evening half rack of beer and we were

◼   ► not we were doing it out of a kind of

◼   ► just pure enthusiasm for the style so

◼   ► this was so we were fans of DMC and the

◼   ► boogie boys and and the this like first

◼   ► generation of popularized like but rap

◼   ► music that had be become popularized to

◼   ► to mainstream right well i mean let me

◼   ► ask you this

◼   ► I know you and I are famously fast and

◼   ► loose with dates and I'm not trying to

◼   ► pin you down can you

◼   ► because it helps the story a little bit

◼   ► can you really mostly locate that in

◼   ► around nineteen eighty-four cuz that

◼   ► would also be around the time of

◼   ► Flashdance yeah which I mean select the

◼   ► right there at that I knew was like I

◼   ► knew the Apache song I knew about you

◼   ► you know I knew the the rapper's delight

◼   ► and you rapture I don't think it even

◼   ► heard nucleus yet jam on it was the one

◼   ► that made me fall in love with

◼   ► wrap-around i love jam on it with a

◼   ► little funny voice Wicky Wicky Wicky

◼   ► shut up you know

◼   ► but the 94 is a big year because thats

◼   ► you got it was really crossing over into

◼   ► like those videos there was there was

◼   ► famously there was breakdancing in

◼   ► Flashdance remember she comes she joins

◼   ► in with the kids that cute hat and she

◼   ► comes out and dances there was before

◼   ► was the year that rap broke

◼   ► what was the year of the movie breakin a

◼   ► break-in break-in came out drinking

◼   ► drinking prime I'm not easy for ya

◼   ► breaking came out in 84 and you know and

◼   ► that should have been a second one of

◼   ► this

◼   ► well they did that like electric blue

◼   ► sad you it's the canonical second movie

◼   ► chip break-in and 84 so breaking came

◼   ► out and I feel like I mean you know

◼   ► again we're talking about anchorage but

◼   ► this was the this was them i think the

◼   ► exact moment when Alaska k the culture

◼   ► in Alaska caught up to the culture in

◼   ► America and now the two cultures were

◼   ► happening simultaneous with water

◼   ► contemporaneously right up until that

◼   ► point all of our television was on a was

◼   ► on a week delay because the Carson show

◼   ► would happen and then they would

◼   ► literally bundle the tapes up and fly

◼   ► them to Alaska and play them you know

◼   ► play them the following week

◼   ► wow so but even worse than that most

◼   ► cultural things disco and so forth like

◼   ► disco arrived in anchorage in about

◼   ► nineteen eighty years 79 right it was it

◼   ► was it was like time-delayed it was it

◼   ► was time delay all culture was sort of

◼   ► time delayed up there and in some ways

◼   ► that still is because if you get off an

◼   ► airplane in in Anchorage now it feels

◼   ► like it's 1994 i can tell you almost i

◼   ► think i can tell you almost everything i

◼   ► know about Alaska in like four bullets

◼   ► it's one of those two last States we

◼   ► strapped on that's right ok you got

◼   ► baked alaska which is really fancy fancy

◼   ► dessert on Alaska is where where Santa

◼   ► lives which is not actually correct and

◼   ► you've got uh you got that everything

◼   ► that the footnote at the bottom very

◼   ► commercial

◼   ► prices something like prices higher in

◼   ► Alaska Hawaii

◼   ► yeah I don't think that even happens

◼   ► anymore i think that's from the

◼   ► seventies to that was always I mean

◼   ► every series commercial or whatever and

◼   ► Sergeant my gosh what one must be so

◼   ► difficult about that

◼   ► well yeah that you have to put it on a

◼   ► seal and barge but but in 1984 right we

◼   ► finally all had MTV and and it was

◼   ► happening cable TV allowed things to

◼   ► happen in real time and so we were

◼   ► seeing what America was seeing I was

◼   ► almost like time travel is also he

◼   ► skipped two years

◼   ► yeah we did it was just like everything

◼   ► got really fast all of a sudden and so

◼   ► we're we were up there

◼   ► formerly still really enthralled with

◼   ► Boston second record and then all of a

◼   ► sudden like rap music descended upon us

◼   ► and and new wave and pumpkin all sort of

◼   ► arrived at once in 80 81 82 so anyway 84

◼   ► yeah we're up there and and at that

◼   ► point there wasn't any there wasn't any

◼   ► indication that that there would be

◼   ► white rappers but but also there wasn't

◼   ► it was still sort of that mix of like

◼   ► there wasn't any indication that there

◼   ► would never be a white Michael Jackson

◼   ► either but didn't keep us all from being

◼   ► michael jackson all the time until at

◼   ► least tomorrow is it was it was uniquely

◼   ► located I mean I learned in retrospect

◼   ► that there are many other there's lots

◼   ► there's lots more to it than the obvious

◼   ► stuff but the stuff we knew about was

◼   ► mostly black people in a very urban

◼   ► setting in New York like maybe even in a

◼   ► identified as a borough of New York i

◼   ► will so that's in the seventies i think

◼   ► by the early eighties it had it had

◼   ► disseminated they disseminated pretty

◼   ► widely it was just that it didn't mean

◼   ► in the public eye

◼   ► what ya bum ya you mean to white people

◼   ► well yeah I mean I'm here looking at the

◼   ► wikipedia page 494 hop hop and you got

◼   ► you run DMC the first run DMC record you

◼   ► got Houdini right although 1984 the

◼   ► first run DMC record which which

◼   ► descended upon us like a like a thousand

◼   ► ton

◼   ► right that we knew every word in that

◼   ► album Mike my group of friends and I and

◼   ► whatever was crazy was when that beastie

◼   ► boys record came out which was in 86

◼   ► only a couple years later it was it was

◼   ► that weird feeling like wait a minute we

◼   ► thought of this but if we were doing

◼   ► this exact thing that could have been us

◼   ► it could have been us

◼   ► yeah they could have come from Alaska

◼   ► instead of three Jewish kids from from

◼   ► the lower east side if we could have

◼   ► been the Alaska Beastie Boys and so

◼   ► there was a lot of I felt a lot of sort

◼   ► of resentment to that first pc boys

◼   ► record because it was almost exactly

◼   ► what we would have done right whiny

◼   ► drinky like you would a person

◼   ► essentially helped to liven up and

◼   ► refresh the genre with a whole new spin

◼   ► and and and production like nobody's

◼   ► ever heard before

◼   ► well but it was it like automatically

◼   ► right the beastie boys did not try to be

◼   ► anything that they weren't all right

◼   ► yeah they were just like we are not just

◼   ► kids where snot-nosed kids and these

◼   ► songs are about masturbation and

◼   ► drinking beer and aspiring to be to be

◼   ► cool and that that's you know that was

◼   ► kind of the that was what was cool about

◼   ► them but that is also what would have

◼   ► been cool about the white fresh crew

◼   ► crew didn't have a tree since John I

◼   ► don't know we mean only started having a

◼   ► lot over the you

◼   ► oh yes it did it I mean that we didn't

◼   ► we spend a lot more time drawing album

◼   ► covers for the truly awful band which

◼   ► was which was our other music act truly

◼   ► awful man in the white fresh crew were

◼   ► pretty much the same members and the

◼   ► same and the same era as a lot easier

◼   ► talking about did the stratosphere tense

◼   ► situation yeah exactly exactly were the

◼   ► we were the head cotys as well as being

◼   ► the head coats

◼   ► uh-huh

◼   ► [Music]

◼   ► but but alas neither neither act mean

◼   ► the truly awful band actually played a

◼   ► couple of shows who I think the I think

◼   ► if we get our rap i think maybe we we

◼   ► tried to wrap at a party once where r

◼   ► where female a component was their

◼   ► female component of my gang

◼   ► yeah and the girls in my gang worse were

◼   ► stronger than the boys as is also often

◼   ► the case and they scorned us we started

◼   ► to wrap in a circle

◼   ► I'm sorry I'm gonna hurt we got scored

◼   ► pretty hard so we stopped doing that

◼   ► oh we stopped doing it publicly I think

◼   ► we kept doing it amongst ourselves for a

◼   ► while the other problem was I don't

◼   ► think we ever wrote our raps down

◼   ► because we understood it to be an extemp

◼   ► rising games and oral tradition that's

◼   ► right and so it was we never SAT like

◼   ► him like eminem in the bus scrolling are

◼   ► rhymes in a notebook

◼   ► we just we just let them go into the air

◼   ► so if you've got if you will be like

◼   ► you'll be like writing a short story

◼   ► about touch football like that you just

◼   ► go out and play touch football you in

◼   ► right about it like a pretty small

◼   ► yeah so it was it was if you if you

◼   ► scored a good a good little but bomo as

◼   ► they say this and wrap and wrap you

◼   ► would just everyone would acknowledge it

◼   ► with like maha uh-huh but then it's not

◼   ► like you would try and grab it and then

◼   ► put a leash on it and drag it back to

◼   ► earth also yeah you're very least in the

◼   ► times I've known your we're more prosaic

◼   ► em there's a I'm not to say that you're

◼   ► not capable of short blasts of spitting

◼   ► rhymes as they say but you know you're

◼   ► more of a long-form probably stop

◼   ► polysyllabic kind of guy

◼   ► well this was your fellow your flow

◼   ► works on five thousand word level this

◼   ► is what I mean about stepping through a

◼   ► stepping through it a door to another

◼   ► thing right there all those moments when

◼   ► you look back in life and go if that

◼   ► head because it absolutely resonated

◼   ► with me and connected

◼   ► me and with my friends if we had felt

◼   ► just that little bit more liberty to to

◼   ► say this is actually something that i

◼   ► really want to do you know you step

◼   ► through and then maybe I would have

◼   ► become somebody that because it when I

◼   ► several years later i was living in a

◼   ► house where all of my roommates were

◼   ► rappers and sat around wrapping all the

◼   ► time but by that point I understood that

◼   ► I was not that was not I was not

◼   ► basically invited to sit down it at the

◼   ► on the couch and and rhyme with

◼   ► everybody like my job at that point was

◼   ► to roll joints and not appreciatively

◼   ► but you know it could have been so much

◼   ► different to all your ok i see how maybe

◼   ► I could have been or maybe I could have

◼   ► a a decided that that was where I was

◼   ► going to pour my clear the eighties the

◼   ► Golden Age of we talked about before the

◼   ► extra guy in the band you can have a

◼   ► professor Griff like who's there to give

◼   ► you some philosophical guidance you got

◼   ► the dancing guy and Happy Mondays maybe

◼   ► Jonathan girls the joints

◼   ► yeah but i would have wanted a more

◼   ► featured role right i mean I maybe can

◼   ► roll them on stage is I like to be the

◼   ► guy at a party that rolled joints i

◼   ► really did it would give me an activity

◼   ► i could sit at the i consider the coffee

◼   ► table right in the center of the party

◼   ► right you're right there right in the

◼   ► heart of it

◼   ► yeah you've got a job and it's an

◼   ► important job anywhere between the

◼   ► Somali a magician yeah right i mean yet

◼   ► people are going to you don't have to do

◼   ► anything you want to talk you don't have

◼   ► to do anything because you're rolling

◼   ► joints but you can and if you start

◼   ► talking everybody's gonna like it's like

◼   ► H&R Block right you're going to

◼   ► everybody wants to be really busy for

◼   ► comments here

◼   ► yeah everybody wants to hear what you've

◼   ► got to say my shot at smith barney

◼   ► that's rolling me yeah mr. Barney who

◼   ► Smith Barney was that kind of wine

◼   ► cooler right

◼   ► yep yet anyway morning James so I would

◼   ► just I mean but you're also you're

◼   ► showing off your expertise to roll a

◼   ► joint is thing that requires a certain

◼   ► certain amount of

◼   ► I'm not just find a spot like to roll a

◼   ► good joint and I could roll a good joint

◼   ► everyone you get done and just sort of

◼   ► you do that thing where you tip it up so

◼   ► now the joint is pointing up in the air

◼   ► so everyone can see it you're like

◼   ► almost it is a revealing magicians

◼   ► reveal ya la la la la and then all

◼   ► everyone starts salivating they can't

◼   ► wait to get their hands on this joint

◼   ► but maybe you don't hand it to somebody

◼   ► maybe put it down on the coffee table

◼   ► maybe you know maybe you lay out three

◼   ► or four of them before you start having

◼   ► amount so that everybody can see that

◼   ► their uniform that each one you know the

◼   ► day that they're beautiful matched set

◼   ► hmm so that was the job that I really

◼   ► appointed I i pointed myself that that

◼   ► job and of course I never had the pot

◼   ► right the I didn't bring pot to the

◼   ► party

◼   ► I didn't have any money right but but

◼   ► so the person that had the pot could

◼   ► also conveyed to the room that they were

◼   ► big enough deal that they didn't need to

◼   ► sit rolling joints right they have the

◼   ► pot and so rolling the joint allowed me

◼   ► then to have some ownership over the

◼   ► weed so I didn't have to stand there

◼   ► like a goofball and be like who you

◼   ► gonna pass that over here well you're

◼   ► certainly you're adding value

◼   ► I've added value precisely it so the guy

◼   ► with the pot is like are you know I'm

◼   ► too big a deal to to be rolling joints

◼   ► that's a that's the Romans work but but

◼   ► then I even having rolled the joints i

◼   ► was entitled at least to take up in

◼   ► order to take one of those joints for

◼   ► myself

◼   ► mhm right you know you roll 5 slip one

◼   ► in your pack of cigarettes and and

◼   ► everybody feels right everybody feels

◼   ► right about it

◼   ► this is this is all going in my moochers

◼   ► Bible mmm that's a good idea when I

◼   ► finally write the Boosters Bible indeed

◼   ► as an e-book know i'm thinking it's like

◼   ► something that be in airport bookstores

◼   ► something you read on an airplane urban

◼   ► survivalist Bible like you like dr.

◼   ► Strangelove Bible like you like it's

◼   ► like a tiny little what's called the

◼   ► moochers what the moochers Bible yes

◼   ► Bible and that could be very small like

◼   ► it could slip into a wallet

◼   ► it should or or

◼   ► you certainly will ensure pocket it

◼   ► should be about the size of a pack of

◼   ► cigarettes and it should be inexpensive

◼   ► enough to replace because your friends

◼   ► probably steal from from you because

◼   ► let's be honest amateur well sure I mean

◼   ► you're probably going to try and steal

◼   ► it from the bookstore in the first place

◼   ► yep but the other the only problem I

◼   ► think is that a lot of my a lot of the

◼   ► tenants in the moochers Bible aren't

◼   ► really applicable anymore nobody smokes

◼   ► well yeah what are you gonna do but go

◼   ► walk up to somebody on the street and

◼   ► asked for a cigarette because a dollar

◼   ► each now

◼   ► yeah so yeah I mean that they've got

◼   ► really costly that's invading the vaping

◼   ► is not such a park anymore either San

◼   ► Francisco's coming down hard on the

◼   ► vapors uh you mean they're taxing vapor

◼   ► well I look at my daughter school

◼   ► there's a sign right out front says no

◼   ► smoking and yes no vaping either and

◼   ► that was a big robot cigarettes so you

◼   ► can say like look here don't do that

◼   ► don't do that

◼   ► what was the question with vaping isn't

◼   ► so much i don't think that that it's you

◼   ► know you can no longer do it on

◼   ► airplanes or whatever but more that you

◼   ► cannot you can't mooch a toke off

◼   ► somebody's baby can you it seems like a

◼   ► very personal line mucha took off

◼   ► somebody's vape I don't know the kids i

◼   ► see in our neighborhood have very

◼   ► sophisticated looking ones they look

◼   ► kinda like a magazine with remote

◼   ► control from 1977's something that you

◼   ► would see where they don't wanna the

◼   ► cantina scene in the original starting

◼   ► original Star Trek where they are where

◼   ► they listen to you have many good men

◼   ► and vaping yeah what brought about by

◼   ► little by little deal actually took a

◼   ► nap you took another fellows de Paul so

◼   ► that they have a lot of fruit flavors I

◼   ► think there's a lot of variety to the

◼   ► vaping today used to be got you know

◼   ► Marburg or camel

◼   ► well now you can have any kind of flavor

◼   ► really good mmmm fall people's menthol

◼   ► smoking is a purely defensive tactic i

◼   ► know anything about this from people i

◼   ► know you think that it's true if you

◼   ► smoke menthols people don't want to bum

◼   ► cigarettes from you but I there but

◼   ► people claim that the men fall is an

◼   ► additional thing you get addicted to

◼   ► I believe it so now you don't even want

◼   ► to smoke a normal cigarette you have

◼   ► anything in your mouth enough eventually

◼   ► gonna want their but you price your it

◼   ► if you get into mental smoking in order

◼   ► to keep people from bumming cigarettes

◼   ► it's you price yourself out of ever

◼   ► becoming a cigarette from anybody else

◼   ► so in the end what started off maybe as

◼   ► a defensive technique ends up biting you

◼   ► in the ass

◼   ► mm because you don't like to buy your

◼   ► own petard that's exactly what it is

◼   ► yeah you go to a bar near like and one

◼   ► of those and you oh it's just a Marlboro

◼   ► like I need to go dip that in the candy

◼   ► came because I can't enjoy a cigarette

◼   ► that doesn't taste like a fresh breeze

◼   ► on the bottoms cool mountain that but

◼   ► i'm i'm curious about whether and I

◼   ► maybe some of our bit vaping listeners

◼   ► will will chime in on this

◼   ► yeah but if you're hanging out around it

◼   ► standard in a circle maybe doing some

◼   ► marching and some some rapping

◼   ► everybody's presumably got their own the

◼   ► vapor cigarette right you don't take a

◼   ► token and pass it on

◼   ► it's not a bomb right so it's it's a big

◼   ► part of this is my whole identity thing

◼   ► to it when I see these kids and their

◼   ► sports where they usually other

◼   ► sunglasses on the back of her neck and

◼   ► they're walking around making vapes yeah

◼   ► baby it wasn't an energy drink

◼   ► the other thing i noticed a lot about

◼   ► vapors is they do that leg thing that

◼   ► shaky leg thing remember when you're a

◼   ► teenager and you got energy and your

◼   ► legs always in motion they seem very

◼   ► keyed up the vapors and you can really

◼   ► identify them you know that's the energy

◼   ► drink

◼   ► oh I know I mean well you know a certain

◼   ► point I don't know she can't even

◼   ► separate them the vaping the energy

◼   ► drink i don't know i don't know it feels

◼   ► like a lifestyle it feels i got like a

◼   ► whole kind of community college

◼   ► lifestyle

◼   ► yeah haha doesn't have a little bit of

◼   ► CC vibe

◼   ► well it always did but I but I'm seeing

◼   ► a lot of I'm seeing a lot of urban

◼   ► sophisticates now

◼   ► well that's not columns systems but

◼   ► urban people that I would normally that

◼   ► would normally in the past have seen

◼   ► smoking cigarettes which is a universal

◼   ► indication that you are you that you are

◼   ► cool and rock and roll right there are

◼   ► still a lot of those people actually

◼   ► smoking cigarettes burning cigarettes

◼   ► which I which i can't i can't fathom was

◼   ► walking through the cool neighborhood

◼   ► yesterday was like

◼   ► my god people are still smoking

◼   ► cigarettes they're comfortable in

◼   ► Manhattan i noticed that people still

◼   ► gonna still true now last moment and I

◼   ► was struck by how many people still

◼   ► smoke still smoking cigarettes but i'm

◼   ► not here to judge but I mean that's that

◼   ► does it that you don't see it as much

◼   ► around here for sure

◼   ► let's be honest you are judging no i'm

◼   ► not i'm judging the way people hard and

◼   ► I want to distinguish first of all I

◼   ► just want to say i don't want to talk

◼   ► about this please don't email me about

◼   ► this please don't treat me about this i

◼   ► don't want to be persuaded about vaping

◼   ► please keep it to yourself

◼   ► let me let me just criticize you yeah on

◼   ► my own please

◼   ► sure it's one thing you're right it's

◼   ► ready out mr. that's my right it's one

◼   ► thing to go out I you know and I'm going

◼   ► and I don't care but like I'm

◼   ► distinguishing between you get this is

◼   ► smoking over here this event that

◼   ► there's like you could buy the

◼   ► disposable ones that look like

◼   ► cigarettes right that's that that's

◼   ► really friendly look down the vapors

◼   ► look down on that that's real kid stuff

◼   ► I really there's their v that are

◼   ► disposable that look like cigarette yeah

◼   ► they're awesome they're not they're not

◼   ► one hitters no one hitters that look

◼   ► like cigarettes tho yes

◼   ► cool yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah super

◼   ► cool but no but they had their purpose

◼   ► and then you got the ones that are more

◼   ► like what i would call the ethernet

◼   ► wizard cigarette and that's more like

◼   ► the little one let's get playing a flute

◼   ► yeah thatthat's I think those the

◼   ► Picasso serious vapors now carry this

◼   ► thing that looks I haven't paid a lot of

◼   ► attention to it but I see them sometimes

◼   ► in the neighborhoods are unavoidable and

◼   ► it's it's a little bigger than like a

◼   ► sailor zenith remote control i would say

◼   ► it's a little bit smaller than the gyro

◼   ► mechanism you used for a remote-control

◼   ► plane is what if it's big I mean if it's

◼   ► like the size of a Walkman what i did

◼   ► when i got a big butt plug coming out of

◼   ► it you talk on to make your Papes yeah

◼   ► when i see that i always think of that

◼   ► episode of the episode of the one show

◼   ► where Frey gets the magic he gets the

◼   ► devil hands he gets the robot devil

◼   ► hands here on the double switch hands

◼   ► okay right in the devil once human hands

◼   ► and and and he offers fri though the the

◼   ► robot hands devil hands Frey gets the

◼   ► devil hands and then suddenly he can

◼   ► play the

◼   ► The Magic Flute that conjures images

◼   ► right if you have a complicated plot for

◼   ► half hour show

◼   ► well yeah but that's the thing that they

◼   ► got done making the simpsons or whatever

◼   ► then maybe get done making the simpsons

◼   ► but same people right yeah oh yeah i

◼   ► think it's the same it started out as

◼   ► the same roughish team

◼   ► yeah so I mean a lot of shots a fun show

◼   ► my smarts there anyway so he's playing

◼   ► the he's playing them the magic flute

◼   ► and it conjures up these images of him

◼   ► dancing with Leela and he wins Lila's

◼   ► heart but then at the end he doesn't he

◼   ► doesn't consummate consummate the

◼   ► relationship with Leela because that's

◼   ► basically the that would ruin the show

◼   ► the whole show would end and I thought

◼   ► that's the same and I a moment Sam Sam

◼   ► and Diane moment that's right at that

◼   ► point at that point Diane has exactly

◼   ► but anyway so with fries playing this

◼   ► crazy electric flute with his devil

◼   ► robot hands and that is what I cannot

◼   ► not see that when I see people vaping on

◼   ► the street I just feel like since I i

◼   ► think yeah I can I get you but to me

◼   ► it's almost like the way you feel

◼   ► watching people use a blackberry where

◼   ► before and even in the early days of the

◼   ► iphone a lot of people were still always

◼   ► using their BlackBerry's and they were

◼   ► talking about how much they loved using

◼   ► their blackberries but nobody i've never

◼   ► seen by look happy using a blackberry

◼   ► never get people were vaping did they

◼   ► look like they're like better no shame

◼   ► of what they're doing because the whole

◼   ► well they should be

◼   ► I mean it's real silly nothing against

◼   ► it i mean he didn't have fun but

◼   ► it'sit's does look very silly i think i

◼   ► think some of that might be that we just

◼   ► do not live in that suburban there that

◼   ► XO city that the edge of a city where

◼   ► people are influenced by the city i'm

◼   ► talking about an agent 1x herb and

◼   ► observed that you're saying you're

◼   ► saying you're at a an umbrella table

◼   ► outside the quiznos by the old starbucks

◼   ► and you're making it up

◼   ► I'm i think that as you leave this if

◼   ► you're in the center of the city and you

◼   ► are and your pants are riding low and

◼   ► your vaping and you have a white

◼   ► baseball cap on backwards people in the

◼   ► city recognize us from elsewhere but as

◼   ► you move further and further out of a

◼   ► city you reach a borderland

◼   ► where where all the cultures interact

◼   ► right and you can be out there in that

◼   ► borderland making alternative theater

◼   ► because that's because you cannot forget

◼   ► the different kind of stew

◼   ► it's the children of people who work at

◼   ► costco meeting with the children of

◼   ► people who work at sam's club and

◼   ► they're all they're all they're all

◼   ► meeting together and it's a great

◼   ► goulash cultural goulash

◼   ► well yeah I mean especially now that

◼   ► cities are too expensive to live in

◼   ► right we're seeing we're seeing the

◼   ► receiving the downtown culture makers

◼   ► moving out as the exam billion children

◼   ► characters move in and you get into this

◼   ► weird realm where people are vaping

◼   ► ironically and right next to people who

◼   ► are vaping very earnestly and you go at

◼   ► the ice vapors right I can't tell the

◼   ► one from the other now I mean there are

◼   ► people who've a parent it's very cool

◼   ► they make it look cool and it's similar

◼   ► to communicate to learn about the word

◼   ► you want

◼   ► well what is cool anymore Merlin is

◼   ► Miles Davis you can see miles davis

◼   ► doing that I think that the next Miles

◼   ► Davis is right now i'll probably says

◼   ► sixteen-year-old vapor Miles Davis to

◼   ► point out well probably now for point

◼   ► out for the out like Miles Davis ex was

◼   ► a pretty good must have snacks that's

◼   ► pretty good yeah i'm sure it was what I

◼   ► think it would just be miles X minus X

◼   ► yeah but yeah I think I think that there

◼   ► i think vaping is here to stay and I

◼   ► think it only looks ridiculous to us but

◼   ► in a very short amount of time it will

◼   ► just be as natural to to the young

◼   ► people as anything much more natural

◼   ► than cigarettes cigarettes are gonna

◼   ► look like some elder make that 19 know

◼   ► they're gonna make the fifties look like

◼   ► this

◼   ► yeah exactly well i'm also i agree with

◼   ► you about people having to move out the

◼   ► city's I'm interested in what happens

◼   ► within the next what probably two years

◼   ► for everybody cool is going to live

◼   ► outside the city everybody lives in the

◼   ► city is going to be a douchebag who's

◼   ► making makes apps what's what's the

◼   ► opposite of a Bridge and Tunnel crowd

◼   ► right but what if we get to where people

◼   ► are going they're going out to the

◼   ► exurbs because that's where the good

◼   ► skate ramps and of apes are you know

◼   ► saying yeah I feel like it will continue

◼   ► to be called bridge-and-tunnel little

◼   ► bit

◼   ► to be bridgend people taking bridges and

◼   ► tunnels to get out of the downtown core

◼   ► rather than go into it it's a different

◼   ► it's the whole it's all white flight

◼   ► premise but not in Reverse but sort of

◼   ► in Reverse like fleeing not not fleeing

◼   ► from the decline of the inner city

◼   ► because it has become a like dangerous

◼   ► and uh and decaying but flight leaving

◼   ► from the inner city because it's

◼   ► intolerable tolerably smug man that's

◼   ► that's that's going to get trend piece

◼   ► that's gonna be a trend piece in the

◼   ► next couple years I mean already already

◼   ► see it like in our local paper coom

◼   ► website if there's already like there's

◼   ► a huge amount of the front page that

◼   ► goes to come here buddy what somebody is

◼   ► selling this teardown for ya

◼   ► and then there's the of course the

◼   ► component piece of that is but if you

◼   ► move to you know Dumbledore pleasanton

◼   ► you can get a 6,000 acre ranch for nine

◼   ► dollars

◼   ► yea Pleasant and was intent on the part

◼   ► I think you know I think that that

◼   ► honestly right the the last 20 years has

◼   ► has seen the burbs

◼   ► let's call it the last 30 years saw all

◼   ► this you know these mega mansions or

◼   ► Mick mansions but they're McMansions

◼   ► kind of gross overly large houses with

◼   ► three-story atrium and then that the

◼   ► tria the cheaper knockoff version that

◼   ► mention Kings mansion King come and

◼   ► they're always intervention chef in

◼   ► years

◼   ► I you know I I don't have a TV you know

◼   ► what a butt out there in these like

◼   ► manicured neighborhoods with these over

◼   ► large homes and now nobody wants to live

◼   ► in them anymore but i think we're going

◼   ► to see an exodus of people from the city

◼   ► who will move out there and find that

◼   ► that they can get these huge huge homes

◼   ► look like seven beds super cheap where

◼   ► the weather cell they sell at way under

◼   ► market value to get out

◼   ► yeah it makes it available goes on the

◼   ► market oh that's super interesting and

◼   ► then these neighborhoods are suddenly

◼   ► going to become vibrant places because

◼   ► these homes are going to have like

◼   ► three different families living and

◼   ► regeneration of different families it's

◼   ► gonna become the equivalent of I mean

◼   ► that would be so great you can have

◼   ► three different families living in one

◼   ► of these giant giant houses they're just

◼   ► they're really using the pool they don't

◼   ► have a pool it's think clean there's

◼   ► like 60 kids in the pool

◼   ► that's right and maybe it's like an

◼   ► ad-hoc apartment maybe 9 a-9 like a like

◼   ► a scream poets will all move into

◼   ► Lauren's mega-mansion out in the suburbs

◼   ► and and you know they're gonna start

◼   ► seeing like interesting sculptures

◼   ► appear in the yard

◼   ► I mean those those neighborhoods could

◼   ► are ripe to be colonized by uh by this

◼   ► like dramatic creative class that can no

◼   ► longer make make a theater in warehouses

◼   ► huh

◼   ► so I'm excited about that and I wonder I

◼   ► wonder I mean maybe there will be life

◼   ► on those streets maybe they will

◼   ► suddenly be kids riding their writing

◼   ► there a unicycle or whatever kids ride a

◼   ► get a recumbent bike or a hotter board

◼   ► yeah it'll be like little it will

◼   ► literally make the 2020 these look at

◼   ► look like the fifties em the 2020s are

◼   ► going to make the 2010 look like

◼   ► nineteen nineties and early nineteen

◼   ► nineties are going to make the 2020s

◼   ► look like the fifties manslaughter

◼   ► Collins so I mean at you know what as as

◼   ► the parents of of young kids we might

◼   ► start to think about like hey let's go

◼   ► out there by one of those as mega

◼   ► mansions that has like two gold lions on

◼   ► the steps

◼   ► yeah and you know move in and then

◼   ► suddenly the master you've got a master

◼   ► bedroom

◼   ► that's like 1,500 square feet and your

◼   ► kid has a as their own bedroom but also

◼   ► their own den ah and you can rollerskate

◼   ► in the living room you can make one of

◼   ► the rooms into just like a jungle

◼   ► playroom jungle playroom you could hire

◼   ► a local maker somebody with a hot glue

◼   ► down a book they could come out and they

◼   ► can make a jungle inside one of the

◼   ► rooms the kids could plan here's what

◼   ► I'm thinking I'm thinking let's let you

◼   ► taking internet you buy a mansion a

◼   ► former you know mansion king and then

◼   ► you you take it out however you want and

◼   ► then and you buy a google bus

◼   ► and that way now you got a cheap way

◼   ► easy way to get people in and out of the

◼   ► city you can still go to the city if you

◼   ► need baby supplies or work and it's a

◼   ► lot easier than have known a bunch of

◼   ► cars and you know something that

◼   ► sculpture on the line i think we don't

◼   ► want cars on one

◼   ► no that's true see but whatever cars are

◼   ► going to Waverly I know I know but 11

◼   ► google but especially you know you can

◼   ► try grease or or as son

◼   ► mhm I don't know I'm just saying the

◼   ► economies of scale here everybody kicks

◼   ► in a little bit you could by mentioning

◼   ► pretty pretty cheap probably now you

◼   ► you've got your finger on the pulse of

◼   ► e-commerce and entrepreneurship think I

◼   ► do yeah so tell me are we closer to an

◼   ► omen we're going to get a lot of letters

◼   ► about this from Johnson cuza hoo-ha but

◼   ► uh are we closer now to the paperless

◼   ► office are we closer to people just

◼   ► working from home or do people continue

◼   ► to need to come into the city where they

◼   ► have free fruit loops in a giant fruit

◼   ► loop dispenser as one of the perks of

◼   ► their open plan office beanbag chair

◼   ► office

◼   ► mhm people going to continue to come in

◼   ► for the fruit loops and the beanbag

◼   ► chairs or are the engineers one day

◼   ► going to completely rebell and say

◼   ► listen has an engineer I no longer need

◼   ► to ever wear pants again

◼   ► yeah and i'm just going to code from the

◼   ► enormous beanbag sex chair that is the

◼   ► only item of furniture in mind in the

◼   ► entire mega-mansion and I get the

◼   ► Lamborghini poster lamborghini poster

◼   ► and the and the enormous beanbag chair

◼   ► and they're just in there just coding

◼   ► they've got like six screens they get

◼   ► their own fruit loops dispenser nice

◼   ► they never need to come into the city at

◼   ► all it are we closer to that or is there

◼   ► it is there something about that the is

◼   ► there something about the proximity to

◼   ► one another the standup desks and the

◼   ► and the conference rooms that make going

◼   ► into San Francisco necessary for for for

◼   ► commerce the honest answer the funny

◼   ► answer

◼   ► I want the honest answer it has existed

◼   ► already for a long time there's a lot of

◼   ► people that there are a lot of companies

◼   ► that when they started

◼   ► that's how they started they started

◼   ► with people working remotely one of the

◼   ► big problems with trying to reduce all

◼   ► this revolutionary bullshit in the

◼   ► company's is that it works against the

◼   ► principles upon which the company was

◼   ► started and it works directly at odds

◼   ► with the culture that's kind of it's

◼   ► been the nation culture since the play

◼   ► started you know what I mean

◼   ► so it's like it it's almost like think

◼   ► of a family like a passive-aggressive

◼   ► western family and Midwestern family who

◼   ► likes a movie where the family likes

◼   ► each other it's ok for now I'm walking

◼   ► to like each other as well that's easier

◼   ► said than done because this is the way

◼   ► we have always acted it's hard to just

◼   ► you don't get to hit a reset button and

◼   ► terraforming family right so i think

◼   ► that's one so on the one hand I think it

◼   ► always has existed for some companies i

◼   ► mean i i've worked with companies where

◼   ► everybody's on contract and all but like

◼   ► three people work remotely and so what

◼   ► then is doing the other part of that is

◼   ► that I think this is the sea dance with

◼   ► a funny answer switch again and also

◼   ► people like to think there's a certain

◼   ► way of managing only managing where it's

◼   ► definitely easier to have everybody in

◼   ► the room but honestly it's also

◼   ► sometimes easier to collaborate with

◼   ► people in a room even or especially with

◼   ► things like engineers you get a lot more

◼   ► accomplished when you can be

◼   ► face-to-face with somebody so this idea

◼   ► ok let's ok let's think about this but I

◼   ► mean so there's still much more to that

◼   ► you can still have things we can still

◼   ► like have the occasional like weekly

◼   ► meeting and stand up and everybody's

◼   ► trying different things and then there's

◼   ► nobody who says I want nobody anymore he

◼   ► says I want the kind of job i think my

◼   ► grandparents had no I don't want a job

◼   ► we have to go and likes in a big

◼   ► building with artificial light and

◼   ► windows that don't open and just and and

◼   ► sit around and do this point nobody

◼   ► wants that it's just that there isn't

◼   ► any easy way to say that what what is if

◼   ► you don't want that then what do you

◼   ► want because this complexity that's what

◼   ► I'm saying that like my what I'm trying

◼   ► to imagine is let's let's let's picture

◼   ► one of these exurbs one of these

◼   ► McMansion villages and let's say that it

◼   ► becomes a colony right where everyone

◼   ► who lives in that neighborhood is an

◼   ► engineer so they're all working offshore

◼   ► four different one second it's literally

◼   ► a village village that shoemaker you got

◼   ► barber you got a-you got am working till

◼   ► you got all these people and they work

◼   ► together and with each other you're

◼   ► saying here is the same thing is

◼   ► literally a village just over here you

◼   ► got a programmer over here you gotta my

◼   ► single person you get a full stack

◼   ► person you're right

◼   ► XHTML HTML exactly this guy over here is

◼   ► doing ironic 8-bit animations for people

◼   ► who decided that the cool websites are

◼   ► throwback websites and then I think a

◼   ► lot of those McMansion neighborhoods in

◼   ► the in it as they were building them

◼   ► they were trying to create trying to

◼   ► falsely to create a feeling of community

◼   ► and so they would actually build like

◼   ► community centers where they met that

◼   ► had barbecues and stuff that where they

◼   ► imagine the people would congregate for

◼   ► that feeling of togetherness completely

◼   ► failing to understand that that the

◼   ► premise of constructing those whole

◼   ► neighborhood's was that no one wanted to

◼   ► interact with each other at all you

◼   ► would park your lexus 300 in the in the

◼   ► garage

◼   ► you're not even want to get out of your

◼   ► car outside you don't want to get into

◼   ► the garage closed the garage door and

◼   ► then get out

◼   ► that's right so but now we're picturing

◼   ► a colony of Engineers all living

◼   ► together and they do they do use the the

◼   ► communal space as an office communal

◼   ► office and a communal like gathering

◼   ► point where they're sharing ideas

◼   ► they're they're you know they're showing

◼   ► their stuff and their kids are all

◼   ► around them and then all of a sudden the

◼   ► google bus only comes the google bus

◼   ► comes every day because that's the

◼   ► amazon prime bus now which comes and

◼   ► delivers all the groceries and all the

◼   ► supplies that everybody is all that's so

◼   ► efficient

◼   ► that's right before different services

◼   ► that you know kind of trickling in

◼   ► throughout the day you do a big you do

◼   ► it's like it's like escape from new york

◼   ► the helicopter comes and drop supplies

◼   ► yeah it's a semi still our escape from

◼   ► new york john that's the thing it

◼   ► becomes not a walled city because if we

◼   ► want to come it's open right but you

◼   ► would never need to leave your

◼   ► neighborhood and it could become like a

◼   ► think tank right this would you that it

◼   ► would be like it would be like in the

◼   ► original movie Tron where the bit the

◼   ► beam of light of the master control

◼   ► program

◼   ► is beaming up out of these neighborhoods

◼   ► and all the engineers that to all the

◼   ► engineering for the entire city of San

◼   ► Francisco are just living together and

◼   ► then you've got your alternative theater

◼   ► neighborhood over here you've got your

◼   ► entrepreneur neighborhood where the

◼   ► entrepreneurs who are self-conscious

◼   ► about their money want to live in the

◼   ► kind of McMansion house that maybe they

◼   ► once upon a time would have lived in as

◼   ► a serious mansion house

◼   ► yeah now that the mansion houses are are

◼   ► seen as like middle-class collective

◼   ► homes they actually want to move into

◼   ► them as a way of just of camouflaging

◼   ► their wealth but you'll want to be

◼   ► around because you're gonna Ryan ironic

◼   ► mansion you know you may want to keep

◼   ► going around ironically let's call it a

◼   ► mac mansion it's not a McMansion anymore

◼   ► its a Mac mansion that's right huh

◼   ► so the entrepreneurs actually still have

◼   ► their 8,000 square-foot warehouse in San

◼   ► Francisco but now they realize that

◼   ► their that they have to slum out in the

◼   ► suburbs where all the action is it

◼   ► mostly good like I saw this thing

◼   ► somebody finally posted this thing of

◼   ► the day it's this way of it's like a pod

◼   ► you can get from it for your backyard

◼   ► for a home office actually super cool

◼   ► its kind of thing you'd see like that up

◼   ► you know in the nineteen seventies it's

◼   ► a very comfortable like mostly glass

◼   ► thing that can just get dropped in your

◼   ► backyard and you can do your business

◼   ► right in the backyard

◼   ► I can see people living I think this is

◼   ► a popular trend right now is that what

◼   ► he called the micro house or whatever

◼   ► the meetinghouse Michael many of them

◼   ► yeah your micro mini house would be

◼   ► likes a bunk bed and gas stove and about

◼   ► you get to find this stuff gets a

◼   ► horizontal slots slots you know so you

◼   ► can well it out a little bit you know so

◼   ► so no not only primary place you would

◼   ► live in the mac mansion or the McMansion

◼   ► you would never actually a convention

◼   ► right and then we have all the micro pod

◼   ► pods in the so they start off in the

◼   ► backyard but then people realize what

◼   ► are we hiding from this is our community

◼   ► so then the pod start start popping up

◼   ► in people's front yards and then odds

◼   ► than the pods become a separate network

◼   ► a separate like network of of a like a

◼   ► like another another connective layer of

◼   ► brain

◼   ► that's that's within the mac mansions

◼   ► and then the first one shows up inside a

◼   ► mac mansion in the atrium in the front

◼   ► hall and you can put them in a circle it

◼   ► will be recalled the opposite of a panic

◼   ► on you can have a non opticon you have

◼   ► all the facing toward the middle of the

◼   ► village where the campfire is you can

◼   ► have all the little glass facing in the

◼   ► same direction right well then it

◼   ► becomes one of those mirrors probably

◼   ► opticon the the mirrored a solar-powered

◼   ► energy collector who where they're all

◼   ► arranged in a circle and they're

◼   ► reflecting the sunlight or the brain

◼   ► waves to a central hub to the NCP to the

◼   ► mCP over so it's generating ideas it's

◼   ► generating power it's probably generated

◼   ► and with maybe that's almost a limited

◼   ► bandwidth at this point huh

◼   ► so and this is we're talking about

◼   ► mansions now who I feel like this is the

◼   ► trend this is the way it's going because

◼   ► at that point

◼   ► yeah you like the wide-open space you

◼   ► like the boulevards you like the the

◼   ► flight uniformly tree-lined streets

◼   ► there's not as much there's not as much

◼   ► to go awry

◼   ► unfortunately those houses are mostly

◼   ► stapled and glued together so i don't

◼   ► think they're going to last forever

◼   ► that's ok that's ok this is a new

◼   ► generation John we really want to bring

◼   ► our old thinking they don't season

◼   ► Colonial Williamsburg right people who

◼   ► have no belongings and Spotify and they

◼   ► maybe have a laptop so as the houses as

◼   ► new there in the clouds on these people

◼   ► in the clouds they are so they're living

◼   ► in the cloud live in the cloud but i

◼   ► think there's going to be a magic moment

◼   ► where these homes that are made out of

◼   ► pressed particle of substances there

◼   ► right now they're off-gassing right

◼   ► that's the phrase they are off-gassing

◼   ► meaning that all of the all the chemical

◼   ► glues that are holding the homes

◼   ► together are still gassing they're still

◼   ► turning to gas and and poisoning you and

◼   ► your children but there'll be a moment

◼   ► where they stop gassing because they've

◼   ► get off gastall the gas and then they

◼   ► start absorbing moisture right those

◼   ► surf those those are building components

◼   ► are going to start swelling they're

◼   ► going to steal all your breath and all

◼   ► of your perspiration cici yes

◼   ► yes there's a lot of moisture in the

◼   ► home right so there's going to be a

◼   ► perfect moment between the off-gassing

◼   ► and when the houses start to swell with

◼   ► perspiration where they're in stasis

◼   ► right there they're like it's the pits

◼   ► they're perfect

◼   ► it's the perfect state and that will be

◼   ► the moment they know for whatever two

◼   ► years that period is that will be when

◼   ► to go in there colonize those spaces ok

◼   ► use them to generate entrepreneurship

◼   ► and then a and then when the building

◼   ► start to fall down when the moss the

◼   ► black mold starts to form the corners

◼   ► maybe you have a like a Detroit style

◼   ► hell night we just one night you just

◼   ► take your beanbag chairs you you take

◼   ► your Lamborghini posters you put them

◼   ► all on a on amazon bus

◼   ► yeah you burn the entire neighborhood

◼   ► damn you can like the perch and you get

◼   ► it's like it's like a Clemenza says

◼   ► right you can have a war every few years

◼   ► that's right give it a black mold and

◼   ► then you can just extrude a new house

◼   ► again terraforming you can just tell you

◼   ► get you extrude a new house where the

◼   ► focus by then I think your point though

◼   ► by the time you get rid of the deadly

◼   ► part or the poison is part of the of the

◼   ► particle board you're also introducing a

◼   ► problem the performance characteristics

◼   ► are already degrading to get maybe maybe

◼   ► two years who knows how much the gas was

◼   ► holding the whole thing together

◼   ► yeah and then then you're like the end

◼   ► of a road warrior two electric boogaloo

◼   ► where you all get into a motley caravan

◼   ► of google buses and electric cars and

◼   ► you're towing your little pods you're

◼   ► gonna bang bang chitty bang me and you

◼   ► head off and the homunculus is there man

◼   ► give us the oil i head off into the

◼   ► desert to create you're looking for the

◼   ► next utopia next mansions mm we can

◼   ► dream can't we feel like this is the way

◼   ► and i just want to live long enough to

◼   ► see this happen

◼   ► yeah because at this point you know

◼   ► we're both going to be the old crotchety

◼   ► geezer with the with the Edit forget

◼   ► what kind of hat he was wearing was a as

◼   ► like Napoleon hat or something

◼   ► well just max thing I think it's a

◼   ► madman

◼   ► yeah but you know also to refer to your

◼   ► program you like we could also just be

◼   ► ahead and charge at that point you know

◼   ► I mean we can see what you're saying

◼   ► yeah arguing with Richard Nixon on the

◼   ► shelf somewhere

◼   ► yeah that's funny bit I don't want to

◼   ► you you seem you seem a little bit

◼   ► dismissive of the show with fry and

◼   ► Leela I like it a lot it's been banned

◼   ► from the house

◼   ► um we do it was just a little bit too

◼   ► much

◼   ► I you know inside words and definitions

◼   ► it gets a little saucy and starvation in

◼   ► a fit of pique my wife bandit I see my

◼   ► daughter was extremely into it though

◼   ► I'm still we still have we know we keep

◼   ► a long list of about sixty pet names we

◼   ► keep keep around she still really want

◼   ► to name something Lord nibbler Lords a

◼   ► blur is pretty cute

◼   ► sure he's the little nipper that eats

◼   ► everything right he's adorable and his

◼   ► poop is not what runs the ship all

◼   ► rights right these little infinitely

◼   ► dense poops could be i won that show

◼   ► came out I was not interested in it at

◼   ► all but then I saw it in reruns

◼   ► syndication they call it and I and I and

◼   ► I night and I did like it for for

◼   ► several years and then I didn't have a

◼   ► TV anymore it's a great hotel rooms show

◼   ► that's right it's one of those ones like

◼   ► yeah there's certain kinds of shows i

◼   ► would never once had never watched but I

◼   ► wouldn't make make special appointment

◼   ► viewing time for but like if it's on a

◼   ► hotel room it's like it's really good

◼   ► it's not a thing that you're gonna get

◼   ► as you're scrolling through netflix and

◼   ► seeing 1 million movies that you never

◼   ► knew existed and never will watch you'll

◼   ► see the the fry and Leela show and you

◼   ► say oh isn't that good that's all your

◼   ► likes and it seemed it strikes you as a

◼   ► positive but you're not gonna watch it

◼   ► either like the whole point of Netflix's

◼   ► to scroll and scroll and scroll

◼   ► endlessly and never watch anything

◼   ► yeah and so they just dumped some new

◼   ► stuff in the last few days it's kind of

◼   ► overwhelming you know what I learned of

◼   ► this is true but a couple people told me

◼   ► this

◼   ► he said you have the netflix well I did

◼   ► get familiar with the what it what it is

◼   ► yeah but I was just going to tell a very

◼   ► short story where I kind of got him I

◼   ► got a little bit of a millennial break

◼   ► up the other day when i logged onto

◼   ► Netflix

◼   ► and i was and i met my password has been

◼   ► removed

◼   ► well so well because it wasn't my

◼   ► netflix so I got millennia I get the

◼   ► Millennial breakup

◼   ► oh I'm sorry that you're disinvited to

◼   ► use my netflix for free

◼   ► oh the Millennial pop ya know you got

◼   ► tonight

◼   ► oh yeah somebody boyce you so you turn

◼   ► your computer like I think i'm gonna

◼   ► watch days of the Condor again for the

◼   ► 40th time it you get that netflix a

◼   ► screen that's like would you like to

◼   ► join netflix yeah like what what what no

◼   ► no no you put your put your what had

◼   ► waited for the last several years been

◼   ► your password with ya or password with

◼   ► someone else's of a sudden it doesn't

◼   ► work that netflix returns zero results

◼   ► at 4044 a forehand and you're like oh

◼   ► fuck i've been i'm sorry it's like you

◼   ► know no more netflix and chill for me

◼   ► mhm but so I do remember a day those

◼   ► halcyon days when when

◼   ► yeah you could scroll through days and

◼   ► days but you were about to say something

◼   ► about that will not know I feel I feel I

◼   ► can you know show you something

◼   ► oh you like you're rubbing in here well

◼   ► you know i just want to mention is that

◼   ► somebody told me this factoid which is

◼   ► an interesting empirically interesting

◼   ► factoid but I'm finding it immensely

◼   ► interesting I kind of can't stop

◼   ► thinking about it i was saying that

◼   ► somebody how am I i was introduced this

◼   ► guy english comedian as it called Stuart

◼   ► Lee and certainly is a has in the past

◼   ► like two months become like my I'm

◼   ► obsessed with this guy i just i want i

◼   ► want to see everything this guy's ever

◼   ► done and it all started with turning on

◼   ► the netflix and I flip pass this thing

◼   ► I've never seen and never heard of it

◼   ► says stuart least comedy vehicle and you

◼   ► know a little stars stars work right

◼   ► ya got the red stars you know what

◼   ► she'll it's nice to see three stars for

◼   ► starting this is really good

◼   ► this thing is just a sliver shy of five

◼   ► stars like wow it's it's a you know this

◼   ► sounds like the kind of thing I would

◼   ► like if the average rating for this is

◼   ► just under our stars I should watch this

◼   ► yeah and I didn't I loved it and then I

◼   ► don't know this is true and I'm sure

◼   ► I'll hear about it now I'm reliably

◼   ► informed that that is

◼   ► their estimation of now you would give

◼   ► it all right the algorithm knows you

◼   ► know that sounds pretty straightforward

◼   ► and maybe it is but for some reason I

◼   ► kind of can't stop thinking about it

◼   ► right because it's infinitely

◼   ► fascinating to me like how they're

◼   ► guessing and like so then i raided and

◼   ► that's going to change future things but

◼   ► they don't tell you that it doesn't say

◼   ► you know it used to be back in the day

◼   ► even back in the DVD days it would say

◼   ► like okay four stars or like when they

◼   ► say that we hear stuff we think you'll

◼   ► like it would even show you what they

◼   ► think you would read it but I don't know

◼   ► what the if it is true that the change

◼   ► that over the very interesting

◼   ► technology somebody is watching you

◼   ► learn a duty and you get no privacy sue

◼   ► em well this is the thing there is

◼   ► we've talked about this before but it's

◼   ► becoming more and more to all the time

◼   ► there is no empirical truth anymore

◼   ► Merlin there are right there are no

◼   ► 4-stars they told us in the eighties

◼   ► they just didn't have a proof for it

◼   ► there's no empirical truth there is only

◼   ► conditional subjective truth and so

◼   ► there four stars doesn't exist there's

◼   ► only now four stars for you and I think

◼   ► Yelp is the last place where four stars

◼   ► yelp and pitchfork are the last place

◼   ► where four stars are are still like some

◼   ► kind of I guess Yelp is four stars that

◼   ► are collected from from 10,000 people

◼   ► that you would not like to be stuck on

◼   ► an elevator with and pitchfork is still

◼   ► some dumb kids in a room telling you

◼   ► what things are good but everything else

◼   ► works i don't know i don't read too much

◼   ► anymore bit around the time of the

◼   ► Travis Morrison debacle it really

◼   ► started to feel like it's somebody who

◼   ► really wants to impress their older

◼   ► brother

◼   ► yeah even though they didn't really

◼   ► listen to the album i had a travis

◼   ► moore's in conversation the other day

◼   ► thousands heartbreak

◼   ► well it was but will that still sticks

◼   ► in the crop there in seattle doesn't

◼   ► well yeah but now I feel like Travis

◼   ► Morrison's Travis Stan record the famous

◼   ► 0.0 from pitchfork is becoming a thing

◼   ► like where were you when Kennedy was

◼   ► killed among a certain group of

◼   ► people who followed in Iraq religiously

◼   ► and and so that it's it's it's a thing

◼   ► where like how how many people were at

◼   ► the velvet underground concert in 1966

◼   ► not very many people but then over the

◼   ► years the people that claim to have been

◼   ► there

◼   ► yeah grow and grow until it it would

◼   ► have been a little bit of 50,000 person

◼   ► concert and I think only thousand people

◼   ► have about the first album but they all

◼   ► miss Chloe O'Brian know that's right

◼   ► exactly that's exactly what i was trying

◼   ► to say buddy the velvet underground is

◼   ► gonna make the nineteen sixties look

◼   ► like the nineteen-thirties well that's

◼   ► right that's except the

◼   ► nineteen-thirties are going to make the

◼   ► velvet underground look likes stan

◼   ► kenton so in the sense in the sense of

◼   ► the pitchfork angle with Travis Morrison

◼   ► angle it's become more and more now I'm

◼   ► meeting stranger

◼   ► this is the thing women when Travis tan

◼   ► came out the number of people that were

◼   ► directly affected by that rating started

◼   ► at Travis himself emanated out to the

◼   ► National to his label mates right we're

◼   ► putting out that album and counting on

◼   ► it to to be transformative and then to

◼   ► all the fans of the dismemberment plan

◼   ► and all of the you know the larger

◼   ► circle of

◼   ► circle of

◼   ► people who were you actually bought and

◼   ► listened to that record what when where

◼   ► and what travis moore's and

◼   ► dismemberment plan were like one of

◼   ► those rare bands where like they were

◼   ► really good and they were critically

◼   ► acclaimed whatever and everybody liked

◼   ► them and people seem pretty cool that he

◼   ► was one of those like it was one of

◼   ► those like I don't know like Grand Slam

◼   ► kind of things and when that came along

◼   ► it was like in New York 911 the drummer

◼   ► war fingerless gloves there were a lot

◼   ► of things about them that stood out

◼   ► anywhere dance people at Dancing the

◼   ► shows they play dance music dance their

◼   ► shells were so crazy but now I'm meeting

◼   ► people in airports that are using Travis

◼   ► tan as their calling card like oh you

◼   ► know

◼   ► hey nice to meet you like this though

◼   ► they'll be talking to me right and

◼   ► they're like I know who you are you're

◼   ► John Roderick and Travis tan am i right

◼   ► and then I'll be like what are we

◼   ► talking about and they're like you know

◼   ► Travis tan like I'm on your side I'm on

◼   ► your team because i also thought that

◼   ► that was a tragedy and it's like whoa

◼   ► I'm having this conversation more and

◼   ► more often now and I feel like I feel

◼   ► like it is becoming emblematic of a time

◼   ► of a moment where the critics who

◼   ► formerly were our friends are now our

◼   ► enemies and and locating us in a time

◼   ► and space 9 2006 or whatever like it's

◼   ► it's it's becoming the it's becoming the

◼   ► velvet underground of our time

◼   ► Wow Travis stan is the indie rock record

◼   ► that is going to make the sixties look

◼   ► like the 20 so I so I don't know what to

◼   ► make of that right arms but but you

◼   ► cannot you cannot pick your cultural

◼   ► markers in real time it only happens I

◼   ► think retro actively there are a lot of

◼   ► things where you thought oh this is the

◼   ► thing that's going to be remembered

◼   ► right this is the rilo kiley album

◼   ► that's gonna that's the temple that's

◼   ► holding up this whole era

◼   ► yeah then it turns out know it's the

◼   ► it's travis stands the temple so huh

◼   ► don't put that in your pipe and smoke it

◼   ► well I think about that your baby put on

◼   ► your paper due on you do for you forgive

◼   ► him for your chili Travis you know

◼   ► Travis is a magical creature that he had

◼   ► a lot of your chili right he just didn't

◼   ► answer his bandmates oh right got the

◼   ► big cats eating some chili yeah and I

◼   ► think what I think the Travis's magical

◼   ► feature was that he came in and he was

◼   ► like you know to to my bandmates we are

◼   ► here in the land of plenty go ahead and

◼   ► forage for food once again give us the

◼   ► oil do not become addicted to can chill

◼   ► and so the so and then he just traipse

◼   ► off into the garden t dandelions or

◼   ► whatever it was that he was doing it was

◼   ► that my protest was that these bandmates

◼   ► who had never acknowledged right they

◼   ► had never even nodded at me or looked at

◼   ► me now suddenly we're going through my

◼   ► cupboards and like look I found a can of

◼   ► of the of sliced pineapple and I'm like

◼   ► hold on you gotta do you know I'm here

◼   ► right yeah you at least say hi to me as

◼   ► you want as you troop into my house

◼   ► before you're going through my like in

◼   ► my office

◼   ► Merlin there is a space there's a space

◼   ► in my office

◼   ► don't so there's a guy on my floor that

◼   ► had a big photo studio and you know and

◼   ► then legitimately making making some

◼   ► form of art even if its commercial

◼   ► photography right he's using it as an

◼   ► artistic space and then at a certain

◼   ► point he got the Entrepreneurship bug

◼   ► and he decided that he was going to

◼   ► expand his operation to making herbal

◼   ► teas

◼   ► hmm and there's a space on our floor

◼   ► that was available and this guy had a

◼   ► very large Basin he obviously was

◼   ► well-funded either by his by the the

◼   ► profits of his own output or maybe he

◼   ► was funded offshore maybe some angel

◼   ► investors or some venture capitalists

◼   ► said or his parents had funded his

◼   ► operation but so he took over one of

◼   ► these spaces and started making herbal

◼   ► teas there

◼   ► wow so all of a sudden on the floor of

◼   ► the place where everyone

◼   ► else is working in caustics there is

◼   ► this constant sort of sickly sweet smell

◼   ► of teas being manufactured and I don't

◼   ► know how that's all going down but but

◼   ► then not only are they

◼   ► exporting these dry tease but they are

◼   ► making wet t in there and putting them

◼   ► in giant t canvas this is up to code

◼   ► I don't know i don't think you can be in

◼   ► a building full of podcasting and

◼   ► caustics and start making herbal teas I

◼   ► don't want to be didactic but I don't

◼   ► think that's that's not cool

◼   ► no it's not i don't think it is it

◼   ► doesn't seem hygienic well or whatever I

◼   ► mean there's a lot of things about this

◼   ► story I'm about to tell that don't seem

◼   ► hygienic but they are there they're

◼   ► taking these giant sort of

◼   ► torpedo-shaped canisters of wet t and

◼   ► they're slapping them down the elevator

◼   ► into i kid you not a former google bus

◼   ► like they have three vehicles they have

◼   ► a former google bus they have a fedex

◼   ► truck where they've stripped all the

◼   ► they stripped all the riding off of you

◼   ► can still see the shadow and then they

◼   ► have like a they have a commuter bus

◼   ► like an airport commuter bus and they're

◼   ► filling these things up with these teas

◼   ► and these buses are taking a look at

◼   ► parking spots fill them up with these

◼   ► teas and off they go

◼   ► I don't know why don't know who buys who

◼   ► has a party where they're like let's get

◼   ► three or four canisters of wet p in here

◼   ► uh-huh that are different her ballot

◼   ► ease and it's like I don't know what

◼   ► this business is but any uh anyway all

◼   ► of a sudden the is like it and like

◼   ► let's say it sits on the one hand it

◼   ► does seem kinda like a front but that's

◼   ► a lot of work for a front they must have

◼   ► somebody who was sweaty somebody's out

◼   ► there drinking wet team and we got a

◼   ► live one

◼   ► yeah it might be all these places that

◼   ► are that have like fruit loops in a

◼   ► giant hopper and then also wet tease em

◼   ► but so this place then started to employ

◼   ► people because they're doing a booming

◼   ► business here and so they're hiring

◼   ► people now these are this is the next

◼   ► level the next next layer of people that

◼   ► are in and out of my art building

◼   ► these are not artists or if they are

◼   ► artists they call themselves t artists

◼   ► but they are just people working at the

◼   ► tea plant and they are universally in

◼   ► their twenties they have their thin

◼   ► people and they have man buns my god so

◼   ► there's five or six guys with man buns

◼   ► all of a sudden shrimping t in this

◼   ► place and to the man they do not look at

◼   ► you when they pass you in the hall

◼   ► oh that's weird yeah yeah this sounds

◼   ► like what it sounds like Hydra or

◼   ► something it's like it's kinda like

◼   ► hipster Hydra there's something very

◼   ► very uncool about ya know that doesn't

◼   ► seem right

◼   ► this is a building this is what happened

◼   ► to saying to get whatever happened to

◼   ► the nod nod

◼   ► whatever happened to the not on the same

◼   ► you gotta sit I don't like talking to

◼   ► people and whatever whatever happens

◼   ► just acknowledging I don't think I'm a

◼   ► big acknowledge her i believe in

◼   ► acknowledging got to acknowledge its a

◼   ► millisecond of eye contact not enough to

◼   ► communicate anything except hello ICU

◼   ► and then not froze cops man buns

◼   ► whatever it is come on people give me

◼   ► the nod got to get the knot and this

◼   ► building is characterized by long long

◼   ► hallways right so you come out of the

◼   ► bathroom

◼   ► no that's my nightmare walking down this

◼   ► long hallway and here comes a man button

◼   ► pushing a fucking cart full of wet t and

◼   ► here and i'm looking at the entire time

◼   ► like you acknowledge me son of a bitch

◼   ► and so I've started as they're walking

◼   ► as they as they get right next to me is

◼   ► really thin guys with man buns

◼   ► I'm like Hello and you know like not so

◼   ► loud that it's super aggressive like not

◼   ► hello like Hello it but but with no

◼   ► advance warning just like right when

◼   ► they are one foot from it's happened

◼   ► enough that that's a reference it refers

◼   ► to how they don't do it yeah I'm fucking

◼   ► mad at them now i'm at the whole

◼   ► operating mine is im- great thanks how

◼   ► are you

◼   ► haha right right exactly and i'm one

◼   ► step from that like you know nice of you

◼   ► to ask

◼   ► and so so i'm i'm pouring a ton of bad

◼   ► vibes into this tea room hoping that it

◼   ► goes into the tea and then swapping wet

◼   ► t out there and it's pull a bad vibes

◼   ► like a Latin American movie we're

◼   ► cooking cooking makes things explode

◼   ► right on time movies at the movies were

◼   ► like depending on how who she's mad

◼   ► so the food's gonna make everybody we're

◼   ► here now everybody would have

◼   ► intercourse because she made tortillas

◼   ► like you're gonna send this bad vibes

◼   ► into the wet t this is like a losa

◼   ► marrows perros yeah sure your that's

◼   ► that's dogs little dogs in love with

◼   ► always love except the one dog kills all

◼   ► the talks

◼   ► Oh boiler no es bueno

◼   ► but anyway yeah right the tortillas are

◼   ► full of it makes everybody have sex and

◼   ► then there's a hundred years of solitude

◼   ► yeah that'd be nice this is a situation

◼   ► where I'm filling this tea with as much

◼   ► bad vibe as i can so good so that the

◼   ► people out there with the the fruit loop

◼   ► poppers are like oh man I'm not ordering

◼   ► this T anymore it's full of bad vibes

◼   ► and then the business collapses and the

◼   ► guy has to go back to making photography

◼   ► for a living and all these man buns are

◼   ► then like spurted out into the world

◼   ► like spores to create their bad vibes

◼   ► they're like shitty no nod culture they

◼   ► can take that into the streets and see

◼   ► how well it works right

◼   ► yeah now I know I likely put the shit

◼   ► you knot culture that is a shitty known

◼   ► on culture

◼   ► yeah if you have a node culture then

◼   ► like take it back to the farm or

◼   ► whatever don't you know like if you're

◼   ► always like it's not like you're like a

◼   ► Mexican drug lord you know what I mean

◼   ► you won't you fucking with the u-dub

◼   ► relax

◼   ► yeah where you didn't even get into u

◼   ► dub no no these are people that are that

◼   ► are used to being out in a place where

◼   ► you I guess you don't not at the county

◼   ► line behind the community making college

◼   ► and I don't they're not even vapors

◼   ► because they seem by the thinnest some

◼   ► fields by their work in the tea

◼   ► community that's exactly what I think I

◼   ► think there are vegans and I think you

◼   ► know that thing is the man bun the man

◼   ► bun it arrived we all mocked it

◼   ► mercilessly and then it persisted and

◼   ► then there was that there was that

◼   ► moment where everybody was like well you

◼   ► know there was that there was the

◼   ► blowback where people like stop mocking

◼   ► man but as we get it we get it all right

◼   ► for now maybe you know and that an

◼   ► attempt to make man buns as the two to

◼   ► make them serious uh-huh just they have

◼   ► they persisted they've they have they've

◼   ► lasted through our scorn and so now

◼   ► we're meant to would never meant to be

◼   ► like okay I guess you know I guess I'm

◼   ► the dummy for mocking somebody else's

◼   ► style I guess I'm I'm guess I'm the one

◼   ► that's not a little monster

◼   ► yeah I'm not one that's not inclusive

◼   ► enough but in reality no they are still

◼   ► dumb and marketable they are you know

◼   ► like a like I said the other day there

◼   ► are too many top knots and not enough

◼   ► samurai mm you know you you cannot just

◼   ► fucking where topknot it is cultural

◼   ► appropriation black something which is

◼   ► samurai oh I like the way you took that

◼   ► one that's good you know what I mean

◼   ► like yeah one that's insensitive you are

◼   ► insensitive to samurai yeah so fuck you

◼   ► with your topknot it's no good and if

◼   ► topknot is symbolic of no not culture

◼   ► then I say burned all the ground right

◼   ► you can't you're not going to be in my

◼   ► art space where I was formerly making an

◼   ► encaustic podcast it doesn't cost

◼   ► anything it doesn't cost anything to not

◼   ► to nod and i don't understand i do not

◼   ► get and this is the big this is that

◼   ► what I feel like is a component of the

◼   ► shove the shyness arms race but this is

◼   ► include things like the medium post on

◼   ► how to handle the introvert in your life

◼   ► yeah that stuff where it's like oh no

◼   ► you're not you're not an introvert I'm

◼   ► an intron see you guys

◼   ► yeah I'm so shy that I can't exist in

◼   ► the world and that is a that is like not

◼   ► a handicap it's a handy capable and

◼   ► you're not allowed to scorn me for a

◼   ► because nodding at you take so much of

◼   ► my life force that I collapse into a

◼   ► sobbing heap

◼   ► yeah so now you have to live in a world

◼   ► where people don't nod and smile at you

◼   ► a common courtesy a basic human

◼   ► interaction

◼   ► because it impedes my ability to be as

◼   ► shy as I think I am I mean you need to

◼   ► get back and you need to walk in there

◼   ► and you say look what exactly the fuck

◼   ► is going on here

◼   ► yeah you go into the white tea house and

◼   ► just sit and just sparked the man buns

◼   ► and get in there and see who's in charge

◼   ► of this joint and what exactly the fuck

◼   ► is going on here

◼   ► ok so here's what happened last week

◼   ► sitting in my podcast space i'm getting

◼   ► ready to record some vocals on this

◼   ► these vocal tracks that i'm working on

◼   ► which is a whole separate conversation

◼   ► and this is my private my normal private

◼   ► time in the art studio right all the

◼   ► people that are there during the day go

◼   ► home and then the only people that are

◼   ► there at night are people working in

◼   ► within the encaustic arts and so I can

◼   ► sing in my little wing and there's

◼   ► nobody else they're not no you're not

◼   ► bothering anyone

◼   ► and nobody's randomness is getting on

◼   ► your track that's right that's right

◼   ► there's nobody over there using a power

◼   ► tool and more importantly I'm not

◼   ► bothering anybody

◼   ► if you come into the the space at 9pm

◼   ► and you hear somebody singing you

◼   ► recognize that you are the one who is

◼   ► arriving late you are the interloper

◼   ► someone's they're making music and

◼   ► that's their right whereas if I'm

◼   ► singing it two o'clock in the afternoon

◼   ► and you're sitting at your computer

◼   ► doing graphic arts you are you

◼   ► it's within your rights to come over and

◼   ► knock on the door and say seriously what

◼   ► are you doing

◼   ► who but so I'm in there I'm getting

◼   ► ready to lay down some vocal tracks and

◼   ► then all of a sudden I hear a band

◼   ► practicing here and this space is very

◼   ► much like no band practice

◼   ► I i use myspace to make music but it is

◼   ► not a band practice it isn't under John

◼   ► as at the terms of being there it's not

◼   ► this is not like a storage shed type

◼   ► situation that's one of the things they

◼   ► say right when you walk in like no band

◼   ► practice can and so what I'm what i

◼   ► realize is i get i I go down the hall

◼   ► put my ear to the door

◼   ► and I realized that this is a situation

◼   ► where the man buns have now colonized

◼   ► the space with enmity operation where

◼   ► they have no connection to any of the

◼   ► art people there they are now there to

◼   ► there are two layers of being attendant

◼   ► away from ever having spoken to anybody

◼   ► involved in the building

◼   ► uh-huh someone at the T joint has said

◼   ► either yes you can

◼   ► band practice here or what I really

◼   ► suspect is one of the man buns has a key

◼   ► and he's like you know what there's

◼   ► nobody in there's nobody down there

◼   ► after nine just off able to scan

◼   ► operation that's right huh

◼   ► and so I'm not somebody who's going to

◼   ► pound on the door during band practice

◼   ► even if it's one that I am pouring scorn

◼   ► through the door is what kind of music I

◼   ► know it's not relevant necessarily but

◼   ► guess what kind of music the plan it

◼   ► just it felt like there was a person in

◼   ► there they could actually play the

◼   ► guitar i was in which Annie or like

◼   ► trans am like 11

◼   ► no no it actually kind of felt like Adam

◼   ► amalgam of of of some sort of you know

◼   ► hardrock plus a Lumineers style stomp

◼   ► bulk oh you know it's one of these

◼   ► things where that nobody has any nobody

◼   ► has any jumping-off point so it's just a

◼   ► mission like this modern songs where

◼   ► everyone kind of does a charity thing on

◼   ► it

◼   ► yeah they'll say Oh kind of thing

◼   ► yeah hey hey oh well bloomin years okay

◼   ► i was thinking something else

◼   ► it's all it's all like a post Mumford

◼   ► music no dear right that's you Mumford &

◼   ► post Mumford yeah and i think really it

◼   ► was that it was that bad from canada

◼   ► from Montreal that started it all

◼   ► the one that dealt that the that to

◼   ► David Byrne and David Bowie all the

◼   ► David's old jobs Empire weekend know

◼   ► that they came after then they have

◼   ► different not really not really but it's

◼   ► sick but the one from the 144 montreal

◼   ► where they were waving flags on stage

◼   ► and somebody had a typewriter and no

◼   ► no young guy knows i know you mean the I

◼   ► know you mean the yeah we can play drums

◼   ► on their heads

◼   ► yeah and somebody's got a horn somebody

◼   ► else's horn arcade fire arcade fire

◼   ► yeah they do a lot of that oil oh stop