Roderick on the Line

Ep. 199: "The Wrong Kind of Warlock"


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  against humanity this week they asked [TS]

  Henry bird's-eye to help me say hi to [TS]

  john now it's time around [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  hello hi John [TS]

  Merlin man John rado break Buddha dude [TS]

  bom bom yeah I'm kind of disoriented i [TS]

  am super-duper disorder god I'm so glad [TS]

  you're really was with your what's the [TS]

  opposite of too late you're punctual [TS]

  today yeah I'm super-pumped what's up [TS]

  with the hat [TS]

  well I just had a sebaceous cyst removed [TS]

  from my head like 20 minutes ago [TS]

  really your recently cistus I'm now [TS]

  systems for the first time in over 10 [TS]

  years and so both I'm both quite [TS]

  considerably disoriented but also here [TS]

  on time said they ship assist sebaceous [TS]

  oh no you had like a lump big lump for [TS]

  12 years probably maybe 15 year i don't [TS]

  i don't a long long time we like we just [TS]

  like touching all the time [TS]

  yeah and it was on the back of my head [TS]

  kind of the reverse temple right not [TS]

  directly on the back of my head but at [TS]

  the same angle of a temple except in the [TS]

  battle if you had a second face on the [TS]

  back your head it will be on its its [TS]

  temple could be on the temple and so I [TS]

  couldn't really wear a hat very [TS]

  comfortably i couldn't i was it [TS]

  interfere with my sleep [TS]

  you know it's just go back to where your [TS]

  headlights on the pillow but I never did [TS]

  anything about it because man yeah I [TS]

  would you really did you know that it [TS]

  was a sebaceous cyst i did because you [TS]

  know when I first got it on the back of [TS]

  my head I was like oh dear [TS]

  yeah you don't you don't want lumps you [TS]

  don't want to lump on your head and then [TS]

  I did a little bit of asking around and [TS]

  was like oh it's a sebaceous cyst [TS]

  whatever it's nothing but then it was [TS]

  just it's been there forever and I just [TS]

  got the my first primary care physician [TS]

  in years and i think i even have [TS]

  mentioned it to doctors before and [TS]

  they're like a spacious system and [TS]

  you can get a little bit like they [TS]

  showed no concern about it [TS]

  no one even wanted the money that they [TS]

  would get from removing it they just [TS]

  feel like I you can do it or not I mean [TS]

  it doesn't matter but i finally got this [TS]

  primary care doctor and I was like yeah [TS]

  I'm gonna get that removed so I went in [TS]

  today and I I realized like I've been [TS]

  thinking about this guy for years [TS]

  think about it all the time reach up [TS]

  anytime i reach up and touch my head I'm [TS]

  like a and it moved around a lot [TS]

  goodness now that now that that's I [TS]

  would expect that [TS]

  no it didn't move around my head but if [TS]

  you grab din and like wiggled it will [TS]

  you would move you know and I and it was [TS]

  a party trick right i'd say hey one [TS]

  should grab my cyst and i realized that [TS]

  i have imagined taking it out myself [TS]

  with an exacto knife many many times it [TS]

  seems like something you can you've [TS]

  taken a cold sores bigger than this [TS]

  well except this is like a this is a [TS]

  sack the size of a turkey a liver what I [TS]

  mean it's no it was enormous it was I'm [TS]

  not definitely with with turkey organs [TS]

  and gimme gimme another example [TS]

  it was the size of a coin purse or yes [TS]

  Galgo yeah somewhere between the USB [TS]

  dongle and a coin purse and it was full [TS]

  of hummus and it was just sitting in [TS]

  there and so finally I was like why [TS]

  don't you take this at the doctors like [TS]

  I do it in 20 minutes and so he put some [TS]

  anesthesia in my sebaceous cyst and he [TS]

  cut it out with this [TS]

  exacto knife and and I was the whole [TS]

  time I was like listen I'd you've got to [TS]

  show this to me because I've been [TS]

  thinking about this guy for 15 years he [TS]

  and I have a relationship with this [TS]

  little fella who and I don't want to [TS]

  just have you cut it it's like that [TS]

  thing where they they take something out [TS]

  of you and then you're like let me see [TS]

  it they go we already threw it away [TS]

  I can't believe they throw things away [TS]

  they should you mean just foreclosure [TS]

  foreclosure thank you [TS]

  you know i'm not a big burial fan but I [TS]

  get the open casket [TS]

  yeah right you're like is he really dead [TS]

  thousands dead touch him nobody so it [TS]

  wasn't just a bunch of stuff under your [TS]

  skin [TS]

  he could actually show you like the [TS]

  sealed unit well so you know they cut it [TS]

  and then they squeeze it and then they [TS]

  cut out the little sack which is like I [TS]

  say like a like a bag huh a bag that [TS]

  seems like it's made out of chicken fat [TS]

  acceptance a bag [TS]

  yeah and then I was like I was like [TS]

  listen I want to see it all [TS]

  I want to see what was in it I want to [TS]

  see the bag i want the whole nine [TS]

  because i don't want to i mean you know [TS]

  i need to say goodbye but also i want to [TS]

  say fuck you to it but I just I've [TS]

  imagined it so much that I want to know [TS]

  what it is for a long time I thought it [TS]

  was full saline [TS]

  uh-huh but then I realized like no it's [TS]

  full of is full of what I would describe [TS]

  as matter [TS]

  yeah but they were describing as tissue [TS]

  I was like well there's for me there's a [TS]

  lot of it there's a big gap between [TS]

  tissue and matter you know but you know [TS]

  its nomenclature I think of tissue as [TS]

  being I'm not a physician I think that [TS]

  issue is being a little bit more solid [TS]

  like it could be squishy but it wouldn't [TS]

  be liquid yeah it's connected to you [TS]

  somehow and this is amazing you could [TS]

  just like the fact that you turn off a [TS]

  chicken John is it that kind of thing [TS]

  well that's what the bag look like but I [TS]

  swear to you the stuff that was inside [TS]

  look like Hamas internet Mediterranean [TS]

  tree only that's right [TS]

  palmistry uh huh uh and you know so in [TS]

  researching these sebaceous cysts i [TS]

  discovered that there isn't and for [TS]

  those of you who are who are eating [TS]

  while listening to the podcast first you [TS]

  should know not to do that for the ones [TS]

  we not you its second of all it's only [TS]

  going to get worse if you're queasy or [TS]

  that type of person I don't know go take [TS]

  a walk around the block but I discovered [TS]

  that there is an in there is enormous [TS]

  subculture of people who relax and deal [TS]

  with the stresses of the day by watching [TS]

  youtube videos of people squeezing [TS]

  pimples [TS]

  he he taught me about this last week [TS]

  alright this was only last week I talked [TS]

  about this [TS]

  yeah it was I every seven days yourself [TS]

  him must have been because i was [TS]

  thinking of my sebaceous mhm so but ok i [TS]

  guess as recently as a week ago you're [TS]

  still kind of on the bubble you're still [TS]

  on the system about whether this is [TS]

  something you want to get treated [TS]

  yeah yeah I was you know but I've [TS]

  thought about it all the time I'm [TS]

  surprised we haven't talked about it 50 [TS]

  times because I think about it all the [TS]

  time and and within the context of the [TS]

  zit popping culture sebaceous cysts are [TS]

  right at the top of things that they [TS]

  want to see on youtube [TS]

  the squeezin and talk about closure [TS]

  because I dated a girl who was one of [TS]

  those Pickers and I think there are a [TS]

  lot of pictures out there there's a lot [TS]

  of closet poppers poppers and Pickers [TS]

  who just you know and like like they [TS]

  just want to lay there and pick at yeah [TS]

  well this that we talked before about [TS]

  that subclass of people you meet in [TS]

  college or a college town you want to [TS]

  clean your bomb because they want the [TS]

  resin and it was really weird [TS]

  ok it's right there your bond cleaner [TS]

  that while you Piper you know prototype [TS]

  clear there you're a Tusken Raider you [TS]

  know you're out there yet there but then [TS]

  there are also people who you can tell [TS]

  they're kind of their kind of eyeballing [TS]

  the kind of like hmm like what is going [TS]

  on you're like I can't pop that [TS]

  mm that's a thing right well being as I [TS]

  would never want to pop like something [TS]

  something on somebody's well frankly I [TS]

  don't want to pop anything you're not a [TS]

  popular picker but like I dated a girl [TS]

  that was a that was a strong picker [TS]

  uh-huh and she was it was very intimate [TS]

  to her it was something that we would do [TS]

  after lovemaking she'd be like oh look [TS]

  at that little thing on the back here [TS]

  next or whatever tender it's like it's [TS]

  like two monkeys but it's exactly like [TS]

  two monkeys but she was you know it was [TS]

  tender but also she would become [TS]

  monomaniacal and she and her girlfriends [TS]

  would sit and pick at each other and [TS]

  high and talk about it to talk about it [TS]

  later [TS]

  you know also and had and then I [TS]

  realized that there was not uncommon but [TS]

  that most people didn't feel that most [TS]

  even people that you were you know [TS]

  dating so certainly it's not a thing to [TS]

  bring up when you're casually dating [TS]

  but-but-but I discovered that given the [TS]

  opportunity if you broach the topic with [TS]

  somebody like what about what about this [TS]

  pic and they will typically you'll find [TS]

  more people than you thought [TS]

  we'll go like oh really could I could I [TS]

  you know like very taboo excited i got [TS]

  fifty shades of grey for dermatology [TS]

  yeah you like that before the internet [TS]

  you know like let's say you lived you [TS]

  might live somewhere and you didn't have [TS]

  the internet and you didn't have [TS]

  magazines and you didn't have to pay [TS]

  cable and you might have some kind of [TS]

  various pic cable the cable mean and how [TS]

  can i get the cable it's the medieval [TS]

  precursor to Showtime [TS]

  oh I see the cable milady where you know [TS]

  you might have something that you don't [TS]

  even realize you're special [TS]

  yes you i mean there are people you [TS]

  reach a certain age in life and you have [TS]

  enough exposure to the internet you [TS]

  realize that not only is your special [TS]

  thing a thing that it's it there are a [TS]

  lot of other people have your special [TS]

  thing and they might have your thing in [TS]

  a way that's much more special than you [TS]

  which actually kinda makes you feel [TS]

  maybe a little bit normal maybe a good [TS]

  weight since you feel you know I'm gonna [TS]

  crazy one [TS]

  wait i'm not the crazy picker here i am [TS]

  just a normal picker [TS]

  yeah i mean like imagine the first [TS]

  person the first person who said on [TS]

  their wedding night would you spank me [TS]

  right the first person that did that [TS]

  this is this is probably like that maybe [TS]

  the 1603 haha i think maybe even before [TS]

  but yeah right like but you know what is [TS]

  the thing is though II there's there's [TS]

  certain kinds of special things that [TS]

  you're aware of [TS]

  right like you might know about but [TS]

  stuff things or you might know about [TS]

  brassieres uh your toes like what might [TS]

  know about shrimping shrimping trippin [TS]

  yeah I don't know about shrimping that's [TS]

  what you on about you you get shrimp [TS]

  oh icic that's not a that's not like hot [TS]

  Karl that's actually shrimpin carbon [TS]

  shrimpin is a hot carl is like 30 said [TS]

  she's gonna be hot girls in the family [TS]

  of a dirty [TS]

  it's like a rodeo okay um yeah right [TS]

  well and I think this is this or this [TS]

  dovetails with finding your dock right i [TS]

  mean some people and your database also [TS]

  the thing about it though is its first [TS]

  of all it's like it's the kind of thing [TS]

  where like you know what let's let's say [TS]

  in 2016 if you're a like a [TS]

  fifteen-year-old girl it might be much [TS]

  more permissible to say hey would you [TS]

  spank me [TS]

  you could even see it to another lady [TS]

  and that would not be weird today [TS]

  whereas I think you might still feel [TS]

  some compunction about saying is it okay [TS]

  if we have some heavy petting and then I [TS]

  picked yours it's a little bit yeah well [TS]

  i think this falls into the category [TS]

  finding your sex duck right behind your [TS]

  sex doctor because when I was young I [TS]

  you know spanking was pretty taboo right [TS]

  there were there were like that you'd [TS]

  you watch it you find it a 8-millimeter [TS]

  movie about it you know where it's like [TS]

  oh boy these are some people in in [TS]

  schreiner outfits like spanking people [TS]

  in there in there there frilly panties [TS]

  yeah and they make it look they make it [TS]

  look like it's justjust acute thing you [TS]

  do this one time but the thing is the [TS]

  thing about a special thing is some [TS]

  people special things like that could [TS]

  become very much part of the workflow [TS]

  yeah well I and I think over time we [TS]

  become desensitized so now spanking just [TS]

  seems like normal normal sex play it's [TS]

  just like spank spank spank ya that's [TS]

  not a big deal you're not gonna you're [TS]

  not gonna you're not gonna need to join [TS]

  a special club he wouldn't eat you [TS]

  wouldn't [TS]

  in this day and age you would not have [TS]

  to find a friend of a friend who could [TS]

  tell you about a spanking bar right [TS]

  right right well and I think what we [TS]

  what I'm not sure how much of this is [TS]

  millennial mythology and how much of it [TS]

  is Millennials is so difficult to tell [TS]

  anymore but but you know that whole line [TS]

  of thinking that is attributed to [TS]

  Millennials which is that they wanted to [TS]

  keep their virginity virginity but they [TS]

  did engage in but play who they would [TS]

  they would put in one another's but oh [TS]

  it's a but first operation yeah and then [TS]

  that kept their virginity it took its [TS]

  kind of false i think if you have [TS]

  somebody [TS]

  has been in your butt your virginity is [TS]

  is a done deal but it was something [TS]

  that's a very it's very narrow [TS]

  old-fashioned view john well i guess i [TS]

  don't know i feel ya i I'll say I'll put [TS]

  it this way if somebody had put that [TS]

  idea in front of me that the notion that [TS]

  you could do butt stuff for a couple [TS]

  three years and still call yourself [TS]

  version i would have thought that was a [TS]

  little peculiar certainty for right [TS]

  because it always seemed that that but [TS]

  stuff was an elevation from normal sexy [TS]

  stuff that's like saying I speed all the [TS]

  time but I don't know how to drive a car [TS]

  you know what I mean you know kind of [TS]

  well you know you gotta walk before you [TS]

  run it you know usually start the front [TS]

  moved back but but I feel like this is [TS]

  the opposite of how you put on hair [TS]

  product by a car in the front moved to [TS]

  the back and hear about you starting the [TS]

  back with different you don't know what [TS]

  about white thing that you know a lot of [TS]

  people they wipe wrong also [TS]

  well let's not talk about that that's [TS]

  the thing that dads can talk about [TS]

  yeah but it's not a thing that's in the [TS]

  general parlance I'm that's not a that's [TS]

  not a thing to say almost like saying a [TS]

  lot of people a lot of people suffer in [TS]

  silence you wipe back to front [TS]

  hi good is good to meet you see what is [TS]

  just see that's the kind of thing in a [TS]

  few years that's gonna seemed really [TS]

  normal if there could be people have [TS]

  been talking about wiping for years but [TS]

  never had a choice vaginal intercourse [TS]

  but they're very comfortable talking [TS]

  about that I feel the same way about my [TS]

  eyebrows [TS]

  we're like I'm not a picker of the body [TS]

  parts i don't think but I've reached [TS]

  that age I imagine you reach this is you [TS]

  trim your eyebrows well yeah we're like [TS]

  the production of hair on top like I'm i [TS]

  got a pretty good head of hair [TS]

  I'm fortunate in that sense but i will [TS]

  tell you that the growth you know the [TS]

  way they measure like the problem with [TS]

  apple like everybody's mad apple right [TS]

  now because apples growth has gone down [TS]

  it's not that was losing money is that [TS]

  their growth has slowed down right so my [TS]

  growth it is not have been a big growth [TS]

  quarter for the top of my head I see [TS]

  whereas over here in the in the [TS]

  you-know-what in the iphone vertical you [TS]

  look at my either the ear you got the [TS]

  nose [TS]

  you got the eyebrows mean that that is [TS]

  that is that's what it's all happening [TS]

  that is a fecundity of apps my friend [TS]

  so what happened is my daughter will be [TS]

  sitting there and she might be more [TS]

  picture the meeting will be sitting [TS]

  there reading a book and she'll be [TS]

  staring at me I'm like what is it and I [TS]

  brown she's yeah [TS]

  mm just won't show it in there well no [TS]

  she's it's really starting to bugger [TS]

  because i think it's you know [TS]

  including some of the light and so I go [TS]

  into the room I get the fancy tweezers [TS]

  and pull out the one Brezhnev hair does [TS]

  she want to see that no no she can't [TS]

  stand blood or eyebrows she's like any [TS]

  of that stuff and then it pulls out the [TS]

  little hair sack [TS]

  that's when you know you've really hit [TS]

  it yeah well here's the problem here's [TS]

  the problem is it starts out this is the [TS]

  thing is it it starts out as I'm just [TS]

  gonna go in the bathroom for 20 seconds [TS]

  I'm gonna pull out this one Road hair [TS]

  oh but then you get going well then the [TS]

  trouble is now you're looking you [TS]

  discover two more rogue hairs over here [TS]

  on the other side [TS]

  uh-huh and then pretty soon you get to [TS]

  be one of the people doesn't have [TS]

  eyebrows [TS]

  well my sister see my dad got those big [TS]

  wizard eyebrows as years went on perfect [TS]

  you know just like unruly I don't like [TS]

  doing eyebrow [TS]

  yeah and my sister hated it you know and [TS]

  and developed this this thing that I [TS]

  think your daughter is also developing [TS]

  which is like she it became a trigger [TS]

  for her and so when i get a rogue [TS]

  eyebrow now which you know because we're [TS]

  young men [TS]

  we're still young dad's it's not like i [TS]

  have these crazy mad scientist eyebrows [TS]

  but everyone's while one will get going [TS]

  right and it will be four inches long or [TS]

  whatever we and always kind of with the [TS]

  with an insouciant curl [TS]

  uh-huh but if my sister sees it she'll [TS]

  get furious [TS]

  you know I'm gonna eat it really is it's [TS]

  a trigger for her oh it drives are not [TS]

  detected the wizard days with your dad [TS]

  yeah so she used to sit I think and even [TS]

  trim my dad's eyebrows like she's with [TS]

  little scissors she would like get in [TS]

  there and just because it drove her [TS]

  bananas Wow [TS]

  but so now that i'm doing it she's like [TS]

  do not do not let your eyebrows go and [TS]

  you know and of course I'm thinking to [TS]

  myself boy when I get really crazy [TS]

  eyebrows that is going to be awesome [TS]

  it's crazy eyebrows come on what does [TS]

  that say about a person i know will let [TS]

  me play pulls together a little bit here [TS]

  because there's a phenomenon [TS]

  I wonder if you seen this Dec somebody [TS]

  and this is this is going to be [TS]

  normative but you see somebody who has [TS]

  like a really distinctive mole [TS]

  then you might see somebody who has a [TS]

  distinctive mold it's really more like a [TS]

  hillock and it's like that's kind of [TS]

  cool you gotta face more you gotta get [TS]

  you rolling aaron neville let's say [TS]

  mhm and then the thing is those will [TS]

  grow a hair or 40 i see us so there's a [TS]

  guy I used to be a meanie driver in our [TS]

  neighborhood and I I was hypnotized by [TS]

  this man because he had he had a he had [TS]

  a face mole that was the circumference [TS]

  of a quarter [TS]

  you know I said good on you right it was [TS]

  raised it was kind of about the same [TS]

  proportions as a pitcher's mound and he [TS]

  had a mole beard he had I'm gonna say [TS]

  429 hairs that were to 25 inches long [TS]

  coming out of it oh so that when he was [TS]

  operating on another level [TS]

  he knew that it was there and he was let [TS]

  go immediately [TS]

  he's letting it happen he was the thing [TS]

  is how could you not get rid of those [TS]

  unless that was the thing that you are [TS]

  really exploring yeah right it's like [TS]

  it's like I mean there's owning it and [TS]

  then there's rocking it you know what [TS]

  I'm saying that's that that's a fuck you [TS]

  mole beard yeah right like you don't [TS]

  like them all how about how about a beer [TS]

  on a moment I feel about that that's [TS]

  that's rockin it and a and when somebody [TS]

  goes from and doesn't wanna say that [TS]

  seems like that's right in your [TS]

  wheelhouse in terms like being a large [TS]

  man wears tight pants taking pictures of [TS]

  yourself for the internet and in heaven [TS]

  and driving around and you know I public [TS]

  transit why you got a mole beer that [TS]

  seems like there's something you could [TS]

  really honor [TS]

  no not at all i would never if I had a [TS]

  big mole on my face I would I would I [TS]

  would almost certainly try and get it [TS]

  removed because there are vanities and [TS]

  then there are vanities and big crazy [TS]

  eyebrows that comports exactly with my [TS]

  sense of myself that I should be wearing [TS]

  a tweed jacket with the patches on the [TS]

  elbows and marching up and down in front [TS]

  of in front of a large lecture hall [TS]

  waving my hands are a collector and [TS]

  shaped like an owl [TS]

  yeah with the rubber bands in your beard [TS]

  on anything to put the pocket of my [TS]

  pants covered with chalk dust even even [TS]

  even though even though it's a it's a [TS]

  white erase board and no chalk is [TS]

  required just chalk dust right like me [TS]

  proud [TS]

  probably sell that to attend your [TS]

  professors you can just get a little [TS]

  packet of chalk dust i keep I keep a bag [TS]

  of chalk in my pocket from the price I [TS]

  swear to god officer it's chocolate [TS]

  shops the baguette rock is that a [TS]

  sebaceous cyst that beyond you know so [TS]

  but unruly eyebrows yes but uh but a but [TS]

  a large mole with hair growing out of it [TS]

  is the wrong kind of warlock you know [TS]

  like I'm my intent of this is the thing [TS]

  I don't consider myself a warlock i [TS]

  consider myself a wizard and I feel like [TS]

  there's a major difference if you're a [TS]

  warlock you can wear a mole beer [TS]

  forgetting that gender issues now a [TS]

  warlock is the gender male gender [TS]

  version of a which is that correct yeah [TS]

  but I i I'm not entirely clear on this [TS]

  but i believe that a warlock has [TS]

  different duties different skill set [TS]

  than a witch but i may be different [TS]

  alignment no same alignment like a [TS]

  warlock in which are sort of compare our [TS]

  like a synonymous more or less but like [TS]

  oh and here's an interesting thing now [TS]

  that I'm thinking about the gendering of [TS]

  a of magic who is there a female [TS]

  equivalent to a wizard or are female [TS]

  Wizards just also Wizards old don't [TS]

  imagine for a second i'm not thinking [TS]

  about because right is it was yeah I [TS]

  harry potter around my mind and I i [TS]

  think they refer to witches and wizards [TS]

  yeah a little bit i mean that's kind of [TS]

  like referring to like sergeant [TS]

  Colonel's little not exactly right i [TS]

  mean i think if you put an e on the end [TS]

  of wizard I think of wizards is being [TS]

  more in in in management [TS]

  I think of them as being at least like [TS]

  like a commissioned officer for ya for [TS]

  me I feel like warlocks and witches [TS]

  witches are standing around a cauldron [TS]

  whereas gizzards are carrying some kind [TS]

  of ball or staff okay right so like a [TS]

  wizard might have a chalk bag in his [TS]

  robes but also some other stone some of [TS]

  them you know shiny some of them you [TS]

  know semi-opaque [TS]

  and a staff and maybe a familiar in the [TS]

  in the shape of a large weird monkey or [TS]

  you know like a a bat can talk or an owl [TS]

  or something I recently learned that [TS]

  you've known since since your teen years [TS]

  I i did not know this [TS]

  I did not know that in the world of lord [TS]

  of the rings that Wizards which is it [TS]

  will give time from right here Wizards [TS]

  are actually kind of angel that right [TS]

  I don't think I don't think I don't [TS]

  think the wizard is a hopped-up human i [TS]

  think it's i think it's a human ish [TS]

  angel employer we're gonna we're gonna [TS]

  get some else about this one [TS]

  well and I think that's I think that's [TS]

  correct in my experience so having not [TS]

  fully digested the silmarillion but if [TS]

  within the Lord of the Rings cosmology [TS]

  that I understand there is never ever [TS]

  ever any mention of God there are just [TS]

  people that are good and bad and they [TS]

  get more and more powerful so like sore [TS]

  on if there was a god in Lord of the [TS]

  Rings you would think to God within a [TS]

  certain points a sore on is SuperDuper [TS]

  bad and he's using bad magic and he's [TS]

  he's like I mean sore on gives life to [TS]

  bad orcs even Solomon was giving life he [TS]

  was he was he was birthing a Hawkeye get [TS]

  that's not it i mean that's a god-like [TS]

  talent but but I i never got the sense [TS]

  that that gandalf was one other although [TS]

  he's never referred to as a man I i feel [TS]

  like i have to mention something at this [TS]

  juncture because almost everyone i know [TS]

  on the internet is yelling yes I am [TS]

  obliquely referring to a video my friend [TS]

  of the internet cgpgrey this is HSV is [TS]

  out John you would love this guy if [TS]

  you've seen a video explaining the [TS]

  difference between the British Isles and [TS]

  the UO I know these videos of course [TS]

  that's the sky cgpgrey this guy lives in [TS]

  England where he kind of does does this [TS]

  entertaining lecture and only got this [TS]

  is deliberately sap graphics zippy zap [TS]

  graphics but explaining for example [TS]

  explaining what this is great stuff [TS]

  explaining how uh the history of the [TS]

  monarchy in England yeah that was a [TS]

  great one although there was one and i [TS]

  forget which one it was where I take [TS]

  somewhat took issue [TS]

  yeah i'm not sure which one you like [TS]

  history of England I i like that that's [TS]

  a great or 82 what is one of his most [TS]

  recent ones is a real mind-blowing i'm [TS]

  sorry i said to my daughter basically [TS]

  trying to explain how the teleporter [TS]

  thing on Star Trek works oh I like [TS]

  basically coming on the only way that [TS]

  this thing makes any sense is that it is [TS]

  a death machine that basically kills you [TS]

  and recreate an exact version of you [TS]

  with your previous memories [TS]

  anyway super fascinating yes internet i [TS]

  hear you Lord of the Rings mythology [TS]

  video by cgpgrey is where I learned [TS]

  about this and also that link to you for [TS]

  for your approval [TS]

  according to wikipedia which is never [TS]

  wrong [TS]

  wizards of middle-earth or a group of [TS]

  beings outwardly resembling men capital [TS]

  m but possessing much greater physical [TS]

  and mental power they are also called [TS]

  the his story by the elves they were [TS]

  sent by Valar to assist the people of [TS]

  middle-earth two contests are on icy now [TS]

  now hobbits the hobbits are people but [TS]

  they're little [TS]

  yeah well it wasn't Pickers they got [TS]

  some serious don't have a lot of like [TS]

  like foot hair I did not I did not and i [TS]

  do not believe anywhere in the Lord of [TS]

  the Rings saga that there are any half [TS]

  hobbits so although elves seem elbe [TS]

  seymour other and more foreign two men [TS]

  because of their because of their [TS]

  eternal life [TS]

  you can have a half-elf a man and an elf [TS]

  can meet and buy man I mean men but man [TS]

  capital and then man man capital and I [TS]

  pray human person and a elf of what [TS]

  whatever however you describe we have to [TS]

  get the F pretty drunk though only are [TS]

  they want the elves pretty fancy about [TS]

  being else I except humans and [TS]

  Neanderthals made it so let's suppose I [TS]

  me just depends on like you know where [TS]

  your where you know I think that you [TS]

  start in for the winter you know piss on [TS]

  a spark plug right [TS]

  my sense of an elf is that yes having [TS]

  sex with a human would be slumming [TS]

  somewhat but when did that ever stop a [TS]

  person caught on the dl there's there [TS]

  yet [TS]

  there's a well on the dl actually [TS]

  started i think within the [TS]

  african-american things in the [TS]

  african-american community and as a [TS]

  description for being gay [TS]

  similarly as us as i disagree i think i [TS]

  think it started in the African [TS]

  communities way saying yeah I totally [TS]

  have sex with other dudes but we are not [TS]

  gay [TS]

  oh yeah right that's what I mean when I [TS]

  say having sex with other dudes on the [TS]

  down-low my assumption is that they are [TS]

  gay but are acting straight they are [TS]

  claiming not to be gay [TS]

  they're the center at the center but in [TS]

  but in fact that is the that was the [TS]

  only socially acceptable way to do build [TS]

  things thats thats download but I but [TS]

  you know I don't think elves having sex [TS]

  with humans is down low i think that [TS]

  that's just like something there [TS]

  well there's an element of sex seenus to [TS]

  degradation right that you know there's [TS]

  a kind of the sex is dirty we talk about [TS]

  it as being dirty the humans is rough [TS]

  trade [TS]

  it's a little rough trade yeah but I [TS]

  don't have any I've never seen any [TS]

  reference to a half Hobbit and it seems [TS]

  like is there a rough portrayed than [TS]

  having sex with a hobbit they like to [TS]

  drink they like to stay at home and they [TS]

  seem like they'd be ideal sex partners [TS]

  in a lot of ways they they left they [TS]

  love to eat in the books they don't talk [TS]

  a lot about girl hobbits but in the [TS]

  movies they really mean that the girl [TS]

  habits aren't part of the adventure but [TS]

  the camera loves a girl Hobbit in the [TS]

  moves right the camera just lovingly [TS]

  pans over these big feasts we're all [TS]

  these kind of voluptuous red-haired [TS]

  freckled girl habits are serving big [TS]

  platters of of beasts [TS]

  yeah and i have to say watching the [TS]

  films [TS]

  I was like why are there no half habits [TS]

  because i'd make a half Hobbit sure they [TS]

  making rap because people like you [TS]

  well exactly like send me through a [TS]

  round Ord mound house and let me make it [TS]

  happen when their pack of pipe [TS]

  I'm [TS]

  canada i'm gonna go in there and eat a [TS]

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  the loss [TS]

  you may be no second breakfast [TS]

  oh they're gonna have a second breaking [TS]

  oh my goodness [TS]

  now I'll tell you what there's a lot of [TS]

  this off for me is you know they talk [TS]

  talk talk about imprinting on something [TS]

  and things i imprinted on the word [TS]

  warlock through bewitched [TS]

  oh yes so that's where I learned the [TS]

  word warlock we're really bewitched it's [TS]

  all about the witches right you got yet [TS]

  Tabitha you got Endora you got yet sexy [TS]

  bad Tabitha yeah but think about who [TS]

  played the Warlock okay you got your [TS]

  Paul in Paul in at any time Paul is on [TS]

  oh he is chewing up the scenery he's [TS]

  stealing the show [TS]

  yes and Pauline made warlock in sexy I [TS]

  could think of to other warlocks I'm not [TS]

  remembering their names one of them one [TS]

  of the Morlocks was there was uncle was [TS]

  uncle Arthur applause and uncle Arthur [TS]

  is pollen right you know that [TS]

  what's-his-name Maurice else and now you [TS]

  got that guy you got the guy who's like [TS]

  Duncan he's like the guy who always has [TS]

  the bomb guy in world war two movies you [TS]

  know [TS]

  ok i always like a British officer right [TS]

  right yeah but what I'm starting to [TS]

  notice is that all the Warlocks in the [TS]

  brook bewitched cosmology are on the [TS]

  down-low right they're all a little gay [TS]

  Oh in trysting maybe this explains why [TS]

  there's no half Morlocks I don't know [TS]

  what a half where I might even I I feel [TS]

  like maybe a half wizard you know what i [TS]

  mean like i am a wizard but what about [TS]

  the kid what about the kid they [TS]

  disappeared [TS]

  you've got to get Samantha and durwood [TS]

  and they got their kid they had the [TS]

  daughter [TS]

  uh-oh its daughter's name or your deep [TS]

  into it now I I can't go this deep on we [TS]

  got the daughter and then remember don't [TS]

  this is one of the early examples of [TS]

  disappearing a character from a show [TS]

  when they added they had the strap on [TS]

  kid you know when you get that you have [TS]

  a wedding you have a strapon ki added to [TS]

  the mix and they had this little kid and [TS]

  then the next season began [TS]

  he's gone well that's not even that's [TS]

  not even as close to as baffling as the [TS]

  fact that Darren changed from completely [TS]

  one guy to a completely different guys [TS]

  whole personality change to the original [TS]

  Parent the original Derek dick York [TS]

  was he was be funneled but he was Easter [TS]

  you could tell that he really loved her [TS]

  yeah and the second Aaron he seemed he [TS]

  seemed like it was a little crabby well [TS]

  here's a little bit crabby yeah and I [TS]

  guess that was the kind of amp up the [TS]

  how far we're gonna take this whole you [TS]

  know which in the suburbs thing [TS]

  yeah which in the suburbs huh I mean [TS]

  when you think about escape to Witch [TS]

  Mountain right escape to Witch Mountain [TS]

  that's the brother and the sister to [TS]

  disney movie i remember much happens in [TS]

  that wasn't the Benji era [TS]

  yeah that's right it was it was in the [TS]

  jodi for young Jodie Foster era escape [TS]

  too much medical she can tell she wasn't [TS]

  right that's right candleshoe to escape [TS]

  to Witch Mountain was a was a very [TS]

  formative film for me because the [TS]

  brother and sister had some magic powers [TS]

  some witchy powers [TS]

  yeah and they were being pursued by [TS]

  Donald Pleasence I love that guy or [TS]

  Donald Pleasence is yet on plus i don't [TS]

  you talk about the Donald Pleasence it [TS]

  at seven young ray milland ray milland [TS]

  who right uh but they had witchy powers [TS]

  and they were like you know they were [TS]

  being adults were bad and adults had [TS]

  authority over them and sort of power [TS]

  over them but then they could do these [TS]

  little tricks they could levitate cats [TS]

  and they could you know unlocked doors [TS]

  they had telekinesis and as a kid as a [TS]

  you know eight-year-old or [TS]

  seven-year-old I really really I wasn't [TS]

  I wasn't ready to imagine a world [TS]

  without adults imagine a world where [TS]

  adults couldn't put you in your room and [TS]

  lock the door but I was prepared to [TS]

  imagine a world where I had telekinesis [TS]

  and could unlock the door or could you [TS]

  know like get a bowl of ice cream from [TS]

  the kitchen and floated into my room [TS]

  while nobody was watching right so we'll [TS]

  escape from witch mountain very very [TS]

  very influential on me and it was scary [TS]

  to and then [TS]

  spoiler alert turns out there who foes [TS]

  are you even kidding me know their foes [TS]

  stranded stranded here because there was [TS]

  a new focus i never knew that I never [TS]

  knew that [TS]

  yeah because it's because it's a little [TS]

  confusing at the end you know all the [TS]

  way through the film they're having [TS]

  these flashbacks of [TS]

  like they're there in the waves there's [TS]

  like there's no and it goes from fantasy [TS]

  science fiction [TS]

  mm so it's not that they were little [TS]

  witches it is that they were who foes [TS]

  and and they didn't even understand it [TS]

  they were like what are these weird [TS]

  powers that we have because the [TS]

  spaceship crash happened in there very [TS]

  early memory [TS]

  okay what are these little power you [TS]

  know how can we do this we're we're such [TS]

  weirdos only we understand one another [TS]

  little incesti to uh huh [TS]

  they can talk to each other huh uh yeah [TS]

  they can talk to each other with [TS]

  psionics now psionics mm-my again [TS]

  my understanding is incomplete but i [TS]

  believe psionics are strictly a Dungeons [TS]

  and Dragons power there are several [TS]

  things that mark me as a slack dnd [TS]

  player as we talked about in the past we [TS]

  would never play encumbrance we wouldn't [TS]

  deal with the turn stuff we just want to [TS]

  like have adventures we also didn't do a [TS]

  lot with psionics with which frustrated [TS]

  some people i think it depends on what [TS]

  you grew up with now as a as somebody [TS]

  who came to the x-men late and is a fan [TS]

  of phoenix and stuff like that or like [TS]

  scarlet witch and I think we're talking [TS]

  I think you're talking about scarlet [TS]

  witch in Phoenix kind of powers right [TS]

  you're talking about mine things mind [TS]

  things so they look like an illusionist [TS]

  or a magic-user there that's a trade [TS]

  almost right yeah i mean you don't have [TS]

  to have spent my obviously you've gotta [TS]

  roll the right numbers but you don't [TS]

  have to have extraordinary abilities to [TS]

  take that up as a trade like to know [TS]

  what I'm going to mechanic I feel like [TS]

  ricky jay is a this world magic user [TS]

  rights I mean Ricky J he's an [TS]

  illusionist such thing as an illusionist [TS]

  well he's an illusionist but if you [TS]

  could be a magic-user in this world I [TS]

  think he would be able to be always work [TS]

  up some spells have been little hammer [TS]

  and pestle and you know take some grind [TS]

  up some herbs and make a little make a [TS]

  little spell ok causes you to forget the [TS]

  last six hours or causes you to [TS]

  you know like it makes a sword dance [TS]

  makes a candlestick dance you know what [TS]

  I mean [TS]

  hmm but but a magic-user and honestly my [TS]

  first dungeons and dragons character was [TS]

  a magic-user again because that's what [TS]

  your old no because that's what I [TS]

  thought [TS]

  yeah I wonder we get to yeah I was just [TS]

  like I'm making a magic-user make him i [TS]

  think he was also a half health half [TS]

  health magic user who really sure that's [TS]

  what my first character was because [TS]

  because again that's kind of how I [TS]

  thought of myself if you talked about [TS]

  this a bit in the past and I don't want [TS]

  to beat into the ground is a bit but it [TS]

  sounds like there have been times in [TS]

  your life where not to say that you [TS]

  believe you could conjure an orb but [TS]

  like it wasn't an impossible thing that [TS]

  we definitely never happen i kept being [TS]

  confused about why I couldn't [TS]

  let's say let's say that i was i was [TS]

  just a little disappointed a little [TS]

  confused and I think and and and this [TS]

  confusion was it long long predated my [TS]

  exposure even to lower the rings or [TS]

  really any kind of magic TV show magic I [TS]

  just I just didn't understand if anybody [TS]

  could do it [TS]

  it surely would be me why can I not do [TS]

  it and and write it and then it was hot [TS]

  that it was equally hard to accept that [TS]

  nobody can because that didn't seem [TS]

  right either [TS]

  like why with humans can do quite a bit [TS]

  of magic in the sense that you know we [TS]

  build bridges over rivers we it all [TS]

  seems kind of magical right [TS]

  why then would we not be able to to act [TS]

  at a distance with you know just [TS]

  tinkling our fingers or even even just [TS]

  holding out your palm and little spark [TS]

  stands [TS]

  yeah there's there's some in the in the [TS]

  Marvel world especially like in the [TS]

  x-men there are there's there are people [TS]

  who start out with these abilities that [TS]

  are super interesting but i think they [TS]

  feel like it's not enough for to have [TS]

  the whole character on to give my goal [TS]

  they can also get big or get super [TS]

  strength but there are people like I [TS]

  want to say long shot i want to say [TS]

  maybe psylocke but there are these do [TS]

  these characters who one of their [TS]

  abilities is what you could just roughly [TS]

  call luckiness uh-huh [TS]

  no it's really interesting but basically [TS]

  with scarlet witch before she's able to [TS]

  make you know Scott which is such a [TS]

  weird like huge deal in the comics and [TS]

  increasingly now and then the movies but [TS]

  she's interesting her basic skill at the [TS]

  beginning was that she could change the [TS]

  likelihood of things going our way [TS]

  how I would that be like so basically [TS]

  she but you get people like her it's [TS]

  only collecting harry potter takes the [TS]

  good luck serum right and same here like [TS]

  you have the ability to like somehow [TS]

  alter the odds of how things are going [TS]

  for you and your team they always give [TS]

  the awesome defensive skills to the [TS]

  women so it's like it's like now all of [TS]

  a sudden you have a fifty six percent [TS]

  chance of any outcome but it would seem [TS]

  to me within those worlds that that [TS]

  would that the temptation would be to [TS]

  just make look go their way every time [TS]

  right which wouldn't be as interesting [TS]

  as like well let's hope it's okay look [TS]

  goes away there's a better chance than [TS]

  even yeah but that's the story of people [TS]

  that's me miss Peter Parker so great is [TS]

  that like his whole obsession is that [TS]

  like he wants to take what he has and [TS]

  use it in a good way you know with great [TS]

  power comes great responsibility [TS]

  right right well let me ask okay here we [TS]

  have professor bald [TS]

  yeah and his school from you [TS]

  yeah right if you because mutant ability [TS]

  seems to you know it comes out across [TS]

  the human spectrum right yeah they're [TS]

  mutants from everywhere and they have a [TS]

  lot of different powers and it doesn't [TS]

  seem to me first of all two things [TS]

  within x-men [TS]

  hmm it doesn't seem that you ever get to [TS]

  people who have the same powers [TS]

  depends on how you define that but no I [TS]

  mean there there are Indians and I print [TS]

  yeah but I mean there's especially in [TS]

  the nineties there are way too many [TS]

  x-men with way too many powers and so [TS]

  there's less people there's lots of [TS]

  teleporters oh i see for example where [TS]

  there are people who can phase through [TS]

  solid things there's several characters [TS]

  that can do that see but it's like [TS]

  Cyclops had a baby with another mutant [TS]

  he did that did that baby also have [TS]

  Cyclops and powers [TS]

  oh way bigger than that now depends on [TS]

  which universe here in NYC is so like it [TS]

  is one universe where he and Jim Gray [TS]

  had a baby and is another another [TS]

  universe where he and Sam Madelyne Pryor [TS]

  had a baby but basically they hope [TS]

  summers his daughter becomes spoiler [TS]

  alert becomes the new Phoenix oh that [TS]

  side but I thought Jean Grey was [TS]

  basically top mutant and Jean Grey's [TS]

  feet when she became dark phoenix she's [TS]

  even beyond omega-level mutant point [TS]

  she's got she's got she basically she [TS]

  eats a world she pulls Galactus on this [TS]

  entire like star system so she's as big [TS]

  a deal as like big blue penis man that's [TS]

  interesting because big blue penis man I [TS]

  mean how do you have more powers and [TS]

  blue penis man I mean that's not all he [TS]

  didn't have the power to just not be [TS]

  interested in what humans thought yeah [TS]

  yeah they compare them to our reader [TS]

  issues a lot but you know I wish that [TS]

  Richard the stretching man he's [TS]

  stretching man you know i also have two [TS]

  I owe you an apology i read too quickly [TS]

  in the 1975 film escape to Witch [TS]

  Mountain that features both ray milland [TS]

  and Donald Pleasence so ray milland was [TS]

  Donald Pleasence his proxy [TS]

  alright instant Aristotle bolt and Lucas [TS]

  Deranian yeah right so Donald Pleasence [TS]

  was the one that was sitting with a [TS]

  white cat like slowly petting a white [TS]

  cat on it literally was he was if you [TS]

  remember I believe he was that guy i [TS]

  remember all too well wasn't he in the [TS]

  in the James Bond movie was that guy [TS]

  it was the pepper white cap what's his [TS]

  name was with the name of Boris Bob [TS]

  Boris Karloff right for the great [TS]

  universalmovies but here's another thing [TS]

  about x [TS]

  and that i want to ask this seems like [TS]

  something that is that i do not know I [TS]

  don't even have a gag about yeah it's [TS]

  just a question if you were a mutant who [TS]

  had some time about professor groovy [TS]

  Ilan's house of mutants [TS]

  yeah school mean yes if you're a mutant [TS]

  power was that every time you sneeze [TS]

  sneeze glitter let's say you just sneeze [TS]

  glitter that was your that's a [TS]

  definitely a mutant power [TS]

  yeah right like whoa if you were like a [TS]

  glitter sneezer your friends and family [TS]

  and stuff would be very concerned and [TS]

  then ultimately like not into you right [TS]

  like you can't live among us your [TS]

  Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer [TS]

  that's right you're you're very much a [TS]

  mutant so this glitter some user has all [TS]

  the problems of immune like don't live [TS]

  around here every time you sneeze we get [TS]

  glitter all over us [TS]

  glitter in that it's impossible to get [TS]

  off the characters names gesundheit [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  but is glitter sneezing a big enough [TS]

  mutant power that that Professor Xavier [TS]

  will have you in his school I like would [TS]

  you pass the audition yeah right i mean [TS]

  it's it's the school can't contain [TS]

  everybody can have every single glitters [TS]

  and using mutant no no it's a good [TS]

  question so where would you go live [TS]

  where you mean gene is out there right [TS]

  new gene causes people to have these [TS]

  mutations they usually appear somewhere [TS]

  around puberty and the truth is for most [TS]

  people like run-of-the-mill like people [TS]

  are trying to pass you know they don't [TS]

  want to get clocked as being immune [TS]

  because obviously become an outcast and [TS]

  a know the very the very first like four [TS]

  pages of the 1975 x-men is them trying [TS]

  to like burned down the building that [TS]

  night crawlers and because he's a mutant [TS]

  yeah and so I mean that's that's kind of [TS]

  the whole thrust of the story is that [TS]

  these people are different so you got a [TS]

  lot of people have to her trying to set [TS]

  the word pass [TS]

  yeah we're trying to pass as being a [TS]

  homo sapien and and so if you're just [TS]

  out there and don't think the one thing [TS]

  you can do is like talk two mice but [TS]

  mice don't really have that they don't [TS]

  have a way to talk to you [TS]

  well or they can have you know everyone [TS]

  very powerful walkie-talkie or you know [TS]

  even if you can communicate back and [TS]

  forth [TS]

  his cheeks yeah mice don't have much to [TS]

  say right [TS]

  holy shit she's pooped cheese rod by [TS]

  Todd gap and so that's your heard that's [TS]

  your ability [TS]

  uh-huh and you're like not even you're [TS]

  not even like ant-man and men who [TS]

  initially was so lame and initial [TS]

  ability was to control ants and [TS]

  communicate with dance haha [TS]

  the thing is they kept hitting him up [TS]

  within like like fewer than like 10 [TS]

  issues they were joining him up to where [TS]

  he can not only get very tiny than a [TS]

  giant managed to come really big but [TS]

  first the very first issue the Avengers [TS]

  you basically Loki has fooled Hulk and [TS]

  is trying to cause he's basically like [TS]

  trying to cause this this giant to send [TS]

  all the Avengers are going after hawk [TS]

  because they think he's a monster and [TS]

  it's like you know iron man is doing [TS]

  this in capital know this before Captain [TS]

  America but you know and Thor's doing [TS]

  this and it's like a man says I will [TS]

  send my ants all over the planet to try [TS]

  to find the Hulk get the edible but in [TS]

  this case you're saying you're not even [TS]

  a mouse wrangler at this point you're [TS]

  just as you get your mouse whisper you [TS]

  can't make the my students because [TS]

  you're like my go-to the place and [TS]

  they're like a cheese geez cats they're [TS]

  not smart metal but you know my friend [TS]

  Mike Squires who is a terrible person [TS]

  he said that if he could have any [TS]

  superpower it would be to give it would [TS]

  be 22 telekinetically psionically give [TS]

  anyone explosive diarrhea talk about [TS]

  spooky action and it starts right [TS]

  because even if you're fighting captain [TS]

  america even if you're fighting Jean [TS]

  Grey if you give her explosive diarrhea [TS]

  all of a sudden she's got bigger [TS]

  problems she's got something else to [TS]

  think about you get I mean not across [TS]

  the universe here you get Superman super [TS]

  diarrhea [TS]

  yeah he's all of a sudden in his super [TS]

  drawers [TS]

  he's got a fucking problem he's gonna [TS]

  want to get out of there and go get [TS]

  cleaned up [TS]

  that's pretty good right cuz nobody's [TS]

  gonna want to fight you when they're all [TS]

  messy know so be very distracting [TS]

  yeah so Mike's thing was like explosive [TS]

  diarrhea defeats all other superheroes [TS]

  and bad guys because it's just like [TS]

  think about somebody who's so fucked up [TS]

  that they will continue to fight you [TS]

  after like it's awful it's an awful idea [TS]

  he's a terrible person but it's kind of [TS]

  fucking great [TS]

  that's a good i see I person I'm very [TS]

  attracted to what I will call the [TS]

  defensive skills nigga now let's get [TS]

  back to the meetings in a minute because [TS]

  actually an explanation kind of what [TS]

  you're asking about [TS]

  but like yeah I'll my favorite my [TS]

  favorite skills the defensive skills [TS]

  yeah right like no reporting teleporting [TS]

  is kind of a defensive skills the [TS]

  ability to create a portal that other [TS]

  people can jump through that's a [TS]

  fantastic skills wonderful kk t product [TS]

  kitty pryde one of my all-time favorite [TS]

  character she has the ability to [TS]

  basically phase through solid objects so [TS]

  she can do stuff there's a hostage [TS]

  situation she shows up she can start [TS]

  sneaking people out through the floor [TS]

  and stuff like that [TS]

  I love those kinds of skills so I mean [TS]

  like the banner like Marky characters [TS]

  are the people who can hook and pound on [TS]

  each other [TS]

  yeah but imagine if you could instill [TS]

  really crushing self-doubt alright in [TS]

  someone even temporarily think that the [TS]

  character's name would be mom Jewish mom [TS]

  like here comes Superman Mike Squires [TS]

  causes him to have explosive diarrhea [TS]

  and then I give him a momentary crushing [TS]

  self-doubt so he's just like him [TS]

  all fuck am I doing this right no I why [TS]

  do I even bother what am i what's my [TS]

  pope and he's just like I died exploding [TS]

  on another planet so you could live like [TS]

  this [TS]

  yeah he just sort of floats off like the [TS]

  brow furrowed yah pants soiled and boom [TS]

  who cares apiece as strong as as as [TS]

  kryptonite you know he can't a lot of [TS]

  strong people that don't have [TS]

  self-confidence you don't hear about [TS]

  them [TS]

  yeah precisely so so my superpower the [TS]

  one that I devised after after that the [TS]

  most awful Mike Squires put into my head [TS]

  that it wasn't necessary that you have [TS]

  like a strength some kind of like a pop [TS]

  OH [TS]

  if power yeah I that's when I started [TS]

  calling myself the oxidizer oh is this [TS]

  you want to be rust I wanted to be rust [TS]

  right business because although rust [TS]

  wouldn't work against Superman message [TS]

  sarily within because i'm thinking of [TS]

  clothes i'm thinking more of a mutant [TS]

  power rather than like a superpower but [TS]

  as a mutant on earth you could you could [TS]

  wreak a lot of havoc being able to just [TS]

  trust all metal that's a very [TS]

  destructive power [TS]

  yeah it is a because like once its [TS]

  rusted you salted the earth you can't [TS]

  really use it again but the thing is [TS]

  like it's it's just it's defensive and [TS]

  when you turn every car into a Fiat for [TS]

  just a short amount of time might kinda [TS]

  actually be into that because there's a [TS]

  lot of cool fiat right ok but like let's [TS]

  say the cops are like comin atcha you [TS]

  it's not like you're gonna kill the cops [TS]

  or even like magneto like take their [TS]

  guns away and because magneto it's not [TS]

  that he takes their guns away it's that [TS]

  he turns the guns on them right he's [TS]

  like he's a batty you can stop the [TS]

  bullets and turn around and all kinds of [TS]

  stuff [TS]

  yeah but what if you just rusted the [TS]

  guns my mom and then it's not that you [TS]

  haven't killed them you have no there [TS]

  are no threat to them [TS]

  you've just taken away their power [TS]

  you've taken away their human power I [TS]

  get it I get it right like and so it's a [TS]

  destructive power if it's misused but i [TS]

  think it would be a be a great I think [TS]

  you could be you could be an agent of [TS]

  peace [TS]

  Marlon because you would you go over to [TS]

  conflict areas and swords into rusty [TS]

  plowshares yeah exactly exactly you [TS]

  hammer swords into yeah right like when [TS]

  the great bluesman like general rusty [TS]

  plowshares and almost to plowshares who [TS]

  had the power of tetanus button tennis [TS]

  and slowly was blind blind at birth but [TS]

  yeah I think about that you could go [TS]

  over and there's big armies attack each [TS]

  other and you're just like rust and then [TS]

  what do they do you have to have to play [TS]

  soccer on christmas day we increasingly [TS]

  have fewer things made out of metal [TS]

  though I mean you've got things like you [TS]

  got to think about the armor that people [TS]

  wear isn't that kind of like a super [TS]

  plastic mmm yeah but i think that i [TS]

  think that the metal like here's your [TS]

  big titanium airplane right it'sit's [TS]

  yeah here's your stainless steel which [TS]

  mccollins right but then the call [TS]

  amp that's holding the wires that are [TS]

  that are part of the fly-by-wire system [TS]

  like the staple that ultimately holds it [TS]

  all together is still made out of steel [TS]

  and again I get it I get it [TS]

  and so you just you know you just take [TS]

  it apart like like all those ceramic [TS]

  guns that people are worried about [TS]

  getting through airports or whatever [TS]

  they're the barrel is still metal huh [TS]

  right it's there's a lot of ceramic in [TS]

  it but as far as I know there's no [TS]

  ceramic barrel and and then ultimately [TS]

  like they're on ceramic bullets right [TS]

  the casings are still metal you going to [TS]

  make it would suck to have a kind of [TS]

  power that like when they come up with [TS]

  in the 40 50 60 is incredibly powerful [TS]

  but then over time it just becomes less [TS]

  and less relevant like you have the the [TS]

  ability to disrupt 9600 baud modem for [TS]

  something higher the ability to cause [TS]

  all a hairpin mod suddenly gone and all [TS]

  all the Popular's fallen hero is the [TS]

  ability to blend just raised her right [TS]

  that would be terrible because you [TS]

  gradually I mean I feel a little bit [TS]

  like that a lot of my superpowers are [TS]

  becoming important more irrelevant the [TS]

  ability to tell a 54 les paul from a 56 [TS]

  Les Paul isn't just nobody cares anymore [TS]

  don't seem like such a loser anymore [TS]

  this the ability to argue with someone [TS]

  for four hours about whether or not the [TS]

  long and winding road is a good song is [TS]

  not i mean although i was practicing [TS]

  that just yesterday but I feel like 20 [TS]

  years from now it's gonna be a lot [TS]

  harder that's what side you're on [TS]

  on that long and winding road yeah uh [TS]

  I'm original list who so i do not like [TS]

  let it be naked [TS]

  I mean I like it as a document oh yeah [TS]

  sure interesting sort of like oh that's [TS]

  interesting sort of like all that [TS]

  beatles box set stuff that came out what [TS]

  you're saying this is the one that went [TS]

  up on the screen how do we feel about [TS]

  that right and I don't feel I do not at [TS]

  all believe the river [TS]

  the paul mccartney revisionism because [TS]

  AI do not believe McCartney revisionism [TS]

  just in general as a blanket because i [TS]

  do not trust Paul McCartney to not be [TS]

  working to try and preserve what he [TS]

  imagines he wants his legacy to be yeah [TS]

  right like Paul the whole like I was the [TS]

  first one to take LSD it's like mmm I [TS]

  don't know Paul maybe but seems weird [TS]

  that you're saying that now but all the [TS]

  polls whole business of we never wanted [TS]

  Phil Spector to to do all that just [TS]

  seems a little suspect like you sure you [TS]

  didn't [TS]

  are you sure I i buy that with XTC and [TS]

  Todd Rundgren because I get the feeling [TS]

  Todd Rundgren's had this record is like [TS]

  it's a pretty good record but like I can [TS]

  only make this way better i'm gonna go [TS]

  away for a little while I'm gonna do [TS]

  some stuff to it [TS]

  yeah now as it happens I have to be one [TS]

  of people who likes what he did to it [TS]

  and I think in the fullness of time even [TS]

  in Trapani Partridge kinda came around [TS]

  on skylarking and so you know actually [TS]

  did a really good job with that but the [TS]

  phil spector stuff the promise and I [TS]

  don't hate the long and winding road but [TS]

  i think it's a so I think it's somewhat [TS]

  slight a song i mean as the but the [TS]

  bones of the song are not that great [TS]

  it's a little grandma e as a John would [TS]

  say not a bad song is not a bad song but [TS]

  what you remember about that song [TS]

  probably is the phil spector part that's [TS]

  exactly right my mom pom-pom that's what [TS]

  people remember if I mean if you think [TS]

  about the lyrics like the law the wild [TS]

  and windy night that the rain washed [TS]

  away has left a pool of tears crying for [TS]

  the day that is terrible that then [TS]

  that's no and your bird can sing and [TS]

  write and not only is it terrible but [TS]

  it's the very beginning it's the [TS]

  foreshadowing of all of McCartney's [TS]

  garbage lyrics from the seventies [TS]

  yeah right and so here here it is this [TS]

  is the moment in the beatles where John [TS]

  is no longer contributing to Paul what [TS]

  you John is with the OCO somewhere he's [TS]

  in he's it he's having a bed in [TS]

  and he's strung out east he's yeah i [TS]

  mean i love it i feel i feel like this i [TS]

  have an albatross here which is I used [TS]

  to be one of those people that I know [TS]

  kind of you know roll my eyes but I [TS]

  didn't know the full facts about what [TS]

  John's life was like I thought he was [TS]

  mostly just being an asshole he was [TS]

  incredibly depressed he was what [TS]

  probably addicted to heroin and [TS]

  marijuana at that point he was but John [TS]

  was a very very troubled person what it [TS]

  i guess i consider myself a [TS]

  meteorologist which is silly because I [TS]

  never really knew the extent to which [TS]

  even by 1965-66 John was not happy [TS]

  person in the people's yeah but I think [TS]

  of as their creative zenith was almost [TS]

  that's an improbable fluke that they had [TS]

  two or three records as good as they did [TS]

  because jon was so checked out [TS]

  I mean he was depressed well he was [TS]

  depressed and I think when I think about [TS]

  that I think it is because jon was an [TS]

  anti-authoritarian and he was happiest [TS]

  when he was assailing the walls of the [TS]

  castle and then once he was inside the [TS]

  castle who could he hate right he was [TS]

  the top and everyone count out to him [TS]

  right think of the the the the bowing [TS]

  and scraping and groveling that most [TS]

  people did around John Lennon circus 66 [TS]

  67 and so he could no longer be the anti [TS]

  mean he could give back his MBE or at [TS]

  the very least he always considered [TS]

  himself an underdog an outsider right [TS]

  underdog an outsider and all the sudden [TS]

  he was the consummate insider whereas [TS]

  Paul just what you know he just loved it [TS]

  was a performer [TS]

  he was a performer he was having a good [TS]

  time in 62 he was having a good time in [TS]

  yeah and I think that's Paul's greatest [TS]

  strength but John must have found Paul [TS]

  incredibly intolerable when John's role [TS]

  as the gadfly and the you know and thus [TS]

  not the sniper was was gone because we [TS]

  have Paul flourished in that world but [TS]

  heroin [TS]

  I think took him out of the game and [TS]

  also disinterest and so you know when [TS]

  Paul comes to you and says woke up to [TS]

  load up in to breakthrough because it [TS]

  like John could be like yeah but [TS]

  you know here we go right like he's [TS]

  going to give you the he's going to give [TS]

  you the that the ugly side the dark side [TS]

  whereas when you know he's sitting there [TS]

  kind of half nodding out and yoko is [TS]

  cleaning his ear with a fuckin toothpick [TS]

  and Paul's like the world would be noted [TS]

  that the rain washed away has left the [TS]

  pool of Tears going for the day and just [TS]

  like whatever man [TS]

  fine all right you know good good [TS]

  because Paul's like he recognizes at [TS]

  that point that he's he's trying to get [TS]

  with he's trying to get up to John's [TS]

  thing he's trying to appease John with [TS]

  using the word tears and crying you know [TS]

  he's like he's making it is trying to [TS]

  make it morose because Paul wants to [TS]

  fill every space so he's trying to he's [TS]

  trying to preempt John's criticism by [TS]

  saying like no no this isn't like a [TS]

  vaudeville song about how [TS]

  vaudeville song about how [TS]

  happy I am this is like now the wild and [TS]

  windy night it's like that's um George [TS]

  Harrison styles that you notice i sound [TS]

  sad I'm sad now so there's so you have [TS]

  no there's no criticism you can offer [TS]

  right you're not going to add anything [TS]

  to my satsang and John's like a you know [TS]

  and yoko's picking nits out of his hair [TS]

  throughout his beard and it's just like [TS]

  yeah it's all you know it's all going to [TS]

  shit here but within the beatles cannon [TS]

  i am not somebody I mean think about [TS]

  think about why don't we do it in the [TS]

  road which obviously is a great rock and [TS]

  roll song but a pretty weak effort as [TS]

  from a songwriters perspective he sees [TS]

  pandering not to the audience but to [TS]

  John because he knows that the one thing [TS]

  that will get John out of bed in the [TS]

  morning is rock and roll by the Blues [TS]

  dump dump dump dump doesn't just don't [TS]

  like a 12-bar blues song basically yeah [TS]

  i mean so he's he's you know Paul's [TS]

  trying every angle here to like not only [TS]

  to win back John but also to you know to [TS]

  fill to fill the space that John [TS]

  previously occupied and Paul that's not [TS]

  what that wasn't the best job for Paul [TS]

  right Paul's job was to was to make the [TS]

  killer the killer melodies and the kill [TS]

  he's you know he's killer right [TS]

  no but like many times I've been alone [TS]

  in many times I've cried anyway you'll [TS]

  never know the many ways i've tried [TS]

  that's good that's good because he [TS]

  writes great bridge a great bridge [TS]

  wasn't he slays the bridge meister top [TS]

  bridge meister alright if he could just [TS]

  if he was just like a script fixer for [TS]

  other bands just just like you bring [TS]

  your song Paul he writes the bridge you [TS]

  get out I mean he would pop music would [TS]

  be better but but [TS]

  so I don't subscribe I don't think Phil [TS]

  Spector should have gotten involved i [TS]

  think that that was some fashion that [TS]

  was some trendy pandering that was like [TS]

  having eric clapton play on my guitar [TS]

  gently weeps [TS]

  didn't belong there they shouldn't have [TS]

  done it but they were bored and they [TS]

  were you know and they they were bored [TS]

  and they were insecure right now but [TS]

  then they also say that i don't remember [TS]

  exactly when this happened when they [TS]

  added billy preston didn't that kind of [TS]

  liven things up he was such a positive [TS]

  presence of a great player such great [TS]

  team player but all such a positive [TS]

  presence on the scene that was a welcome [TS]

  distraction for a time [TS]

  yeah super fun guy and he's out there [TS]

  he's adding just brilliant shit all the [TS]

  time like and the thing about Billy [TS]

  Preston's they don't push him forward [TS]

  right he's not like Billy president's [TS]

  not putting a he's not Clapton on while [TS]

  your guitar gently weeps he's just he's [TS]

  just filling up the space and you could [TS]

  what he's playing the way it's mixed you [TS]

  could listen to it and not think what's [TS]

  this foreigner doing here right it could [TS]

  have been it could have been just a [TS]

  London studio guy could have been [TS]

  included in hordes Martin could have [TS]

  been george martin right but it's not [TS]

  it's a fight fun friend like that [TS]

  doesn't bother me but i think the [TS]

  combination of Dylan Dylan and 64 really [TS]

  i think really hurts [TS]

  yeah 66 really destabilize the beatles [TS]

  because he was so cool and he and and [TS]

  John wanted to be the kind of cool that [TS]

  Dylan was not the kind of cool that he [TS]

  was so that that inserted this you know [TS]

  this insecurity and then swing in london [TS]

  right swing in London of the late [TS]

  sixties where everybody was an artist [TS]

  and everybody was having fun and sexy [TS]

  times and the and Paul in particular but [TS]

  the beatles in general were out in the [TS]

  clubs they were they were trying to be [TS]

  part of the swing and seam and they [TS]

  really felt like they had to I think [TS]

  that's where the phil spector stuff [TS]

  comes from [TS]

  that's where the clapton stuff comes [TS]

  from there trying to like make it within [TS]

  this cool scene that probably on the [TS]

  street level when when Paul walked into [TS]

  a club there was a lot of like Oh Paul's [TS]

  here but there was probably also also [TS]

  from the cool kids a lot like oh [TS]

  Paul's here and Paul could feel that and [TS]

  he didn't like it [TS]

  right yeah and and then all of a sudden [TS]

  you've gotten the long and winding road [TS]

  through whereas when Kirko but when Tony [TS]

  lash mixed nevermind and two years later [TS]

  Kurt was totally disavowing it in the [TS]

  press I think at the time when they got [TS]

  those mixes back [TS]

  Kurt was like this is incredible this is [TS]

  this is so much better [TS]

  what gets lost in that is that he loves [TS]

  I mean it's so funny compete for [TS]

  watching the game check the raincoats [TS]

  alive and then you go use the raincoats [TS]

  and like oh my god this is at we banned [TS]

  mhm the thing is he had a huge pop [TS]

  sensibility he loved it he liked the [TS]

  meat puppets papi songs like he he love [TS]

  pop music like Carly am and how you [TS]

  could tease out what was happening not [TS]

  just obscuring it in layers that big [TS]

  muff but like being able to pull out [TS]

  like what this song wants to be [TS]

  yeah all the harmonies I mean he loved [TS]

  what Tony last to do not ever make that [TS]

  mistake but then two years later because [TS]

  every time Kurt Cobain walked into a [TS]

  room where he wanted to be cool right a [TS]

  Mudhoney house and there was that same [TS]

  thing like oh you know Curtis here and [TS]

  then also like huh [TS]

  Kurt's here God all of a sudden he's [TS]

  like oh I didn't like the sound of [TS]

  nevermind i wanted it to be [TS]

  roar and grittier and it's like no you [TS]

  didnt first of all and second of all [TS]

  those songs you could have made them [TS]

  sound as bad as as you wanted but they [TS]

  were fucking pop songs like there's [TS]

  nothing you know touch me I'm sick [TS]

  there's no way you can record that where [TS]

  it doesn't sound like it sounds you you [TS]

  could mix that anyway you wanted still [TS]

  can touch me I'm sick but like you know [TS]

  come as you are you can make that could [TS]

  have made that dirty here even even in [TS]

  bloom in terms of like theme and [TS]

  execution like it's it's kind of like a [TS]

  course is just look at three chord pop [TS]

  song [TS]

  yeah there's some sugar on everything he [TS]

  did and it just it disgusted me at the [TS]

  time right because I was right in the [TS]

  thick of all that who was like what you [TS]

  doing asshole don't disavow that shit [TS]

  don't try and pander to those fucking [TS]

  scumbags that a limpiar bullshit like [TS]

  that's the worst thing that's the worst [TS]

  part of this whole culture I'm some [TS]

  standing knee-deep in this culture and I [TS]

  know that's the worst part of it that [TS]

  whole Oh Kurtz here like fuck you and [TS]

  but that was the that was the voice in [TS]

  his head that was his Dylan in 66 you [TS]

  know Dylan made those guys wait think [TS]

  they came to the royal albert hall and [TS]

  you know and somebody came back in there [TS]

  like the Beatles are here and he's like [TS]

  Oh are they [TS]

  that's like park yeah they are [TS]

  the beatles are here like put your [TS]

  teacup down and fucking talk to him at [TS]

  least give me a break [TS]

  it was like oh hmm you know maybe all [TS]

  they can really they can come back here [TS]

  in a minute after I you know after i [TS]

  type up some more nonsense and I'm babe [TS]

  huge Dylan fans [TS]

  I'm not shitting on Dylan I'm just [TS]

  shitting on his attitude [TS]

  yeah yeah fuckin attitude [TS]

  yeah that was his brand I was so mad [TS]

  occurred cocaine [TS]

  Marilyn I think I've expressed it [TS]

  because well but I mean you know me the [TS]

  money morning cobain here but part of [TS]

  that also is like he got way more famous [TS]

  than he wanted to be I don't even know [TS]

  about that really well I think he wanted [TS]

  to be that famous i think it was part of [TS]

  trying to reject me in rejecting same [TS]

  for the appearance of wanting fame which [TS]

  is just an anthem on the Pacific [TS]

  Northwest you like don't you think even [TS]

  part of needing to appeal he's rejecting [TS]

  Fame it's useful to also then reject the [TS]

  thing that you all liked him for being [TS]

  famous for [TS]

  yeah yeah butBut and that's exactly [TS]

  right he he what he really wanted to [TS]

  appear to reject fame but he was so [TS]

  caught up in the culture that he [TS]

  couldn't separate wanting to appear to [TS]

  reject fame from actually internalizing [TS]

  it and and and rejecting things like I i [TS]

  think in 1990-91 [TS]

  early 91 i read several interviews with [TS]

  him where he was like we're gonna be the [TS]

  biggest band in the world and he was [TS]

  being ironic and he was being sarcastic [TS]

  because he never thought it would happen [TS]

  and he was you know he was yanking [TS]

  everybody's chain like we're gonna be [TS]

  the biggest in the world [TS]

  fuck you and then he was the biggest [TS]

  band in the world and all of a sudden [TS]

  it's like well did you did you want to [TS]

  be and what pissed me off was that he [TS]

  was and he could have used that power [TS]

  and he could have used that money and he [TS]

  could have used all that attention to [TS]

  accomplish the things that he wanted to [TS]

  do you know and and he could've made the [TS]

  world a better place I was watching him [TS]

  closely because I wanted we all we all I [TS]

  mean it [TS]

  george herbert walker bush was the [TS]

  president like we were ready to flip it [TS]

  and it and it was the moment where you [TS]

  know where our generation came online [TS]

  and was like yes we're here and look [TS]

  what we can do and then it was like oh [TS]

  yeah what we can do is you know sit in a [TS]

  thrift store chair and barf on ourselves [TS]

  and then die and well that's a little [TS]

  bit anti-climactic dinner instead of [TS]

  interest or chair in a loser t-shirt [TS]

  barf on ourselves from heroin sickness [TS]

  and then died I was like oh well alright [TS]

  i guess that wasn't my role model after [TS]

  all and for me that meant you know [TS]

  spending five more years sitting in a [TS]

  godfather's pizza eating garbanzo beans [TS]

  because nobody would miss them and [TS]

  wondering what the fuck did you look [TS]

  what he did he write it's just like I'm [TS]

  sitting there stealing garbanzos from a [TS]

  salad bar and thinking nobody else was [TS]

  counting that nobody's counting [TS]

  garbanzos nobody uses those and uh and [TS]

  now Clinton's president and nobody in [TS]

  the culture really has anything to say [TS]

  about it and and kmart is selling grunge [TS]

  hats and it just all went to shit and [TS]

  that and now we have stained you know it [TS]

  just was like boom boom boom boom boom [TS]

  and I [TS]

  I just I put it all back on kurt's lap [TS]

  and you know whatever [TS]

  Courtney wasn't even picking nits out of [TS]

  his beard you know what they make [TS]

  garbanzo beans into the sebaceous cyst [TS]

  plus right this bus and a little bit of [TS]

  garlic [TS]

  it's good stuff i do that do you do this [TS]

  where you go by you're at the grocery [TS]

  store and you're like you know what I [TS]

  want to be the kind of person that hates [TS]

  hummus i got on haha aspirational [TS]

  shopping it's aspirational Highness [TS]

  right i want to be somebody that's got [TS]

  hummus in the fridge i want to be [TS]

  somebody when he's looking for a snack [TS]

  get some hummus any butt wipes it on [TS]

  something [TS]

  yeah Thomas wipe on son yeah I bahamas [TS]

  and it's in the fridge for six months [TS]

  well you do because I mean it's a good [TS]

  aspiration it's a good aspiration but I [TS]

  like for example like for me a better [TS]

  one with those would be like mixed nuts [TS]

  and here's why because you pop the top [TS]

  off the mixed nuts and eat them just as [TS]

  a thing [TS]

  Thomas doesn't tell you this on this on [TS]

  the shelf but Thomas once other things [TS]

  yeah come on government and what is how [TS]

  much mostly want bread [TS]

  oh it was a pita bread yeah which should [TS]

  need a lot of time trying to avoid that [TS]

  but you could also have carrots carrots [TS]

  see that's what i want i want to pick [TS]

  aaron thomas because if I'm at a party [TS]

  let's say I'm at a party and there and [TS]

  there's no antipasto Trey who is just [TS]

  too but it's like they got the vegetable [TS]

  platter of the crudite I'll sit and dip [TS]

  mini carried into humus all day [TS]

  yeah happy as can be but if I'm always [TS]

  by open my fridge and it's like you know [TS]

  there's so many carats alright there's [TS]

  no mames alright and it just sits there [TS]

  so I'm still fucking here did [TS]

  yes I'm not going anywhere it's not a [TS]

  bottle you bought me asshole [TS]

  that's right you bought me and then you [TS]

  know after like three weeks like is that [TS]

  even still good many carriers are [TS]

  starting a little dried out [TS]

  we did an example of that see my wife [TS]

  wants us to live she tries that you know [TS]

  have nice things in the house for us to [TS]

  eat that are you know the comfort good [TS]

  point but they can be kind of [TS]

  aspirational one of the primary [TS]

  disconnects that my wife sometimes buys [TS]

  things even though I tend to do the more [TS]

  than fifty percent mother [TS]

  amount of the cooking yeah so like but [TS]

  like here's that thing that happens is [TS]

  my daughter goes out to the garden at [TS]

  school tears off a postage stamp size [TS]

  thing of kale and eats it and says i [TS]

  love kale [TS]

  really yeah yeah and she did in that [TS]

  moment because it's fun to tear off a [TS]

  postage stamp Michaela needed and that's [TS]

  probably much kills most people want so [TS]

  but then we get kale and independently [TS]

  my wife and I both get kale and now we [TS]

  have two giant refrigerator filling bags [TS]

  of kale sitting there saying that's [TS]

  right asshole you bought me and you and [TS]

  my brother here to the kale brothers [TS]

  right then they're just they're just [TS]

  staring at us and like there's not that [TS]

  many nights were like I you know when i [TS]

  start to cook is when I'm hungry I don't [TS]

  I i sometimes when i'm doing sous-vide [TS]

  stuff I gotta think ahead but when it [TS]

  comes down to like 515 and time to make [TS]

  dinner you know pretty much the last [TS]

  thing on my mind is kale kale is is [TS]

  maybe a third it comes in third you [TS]

  gotta you gotta get a you got a protein [TS]

  far away the number one focus heavily on [TS]

  breaking their necks want to make just a [TS]

  protein and then i'll cut up some did [TS]

  you know some demonstration cucumbers [TS]

  just going to say I get my canned [TS]

  vegetables right but she got you got the [TS]

  primary protein then you get the second [TS]

  thing which is often a start you think [TS]

  it could be a rice it could be a noodle [TS]

  yep rice or noodle and those are those [TS]

  that that's the main part of the meal [TS]

  for my daughter because she's a child [TS]

  she'll chili all the noodles chili ramen [TS]

  chili egg noodles chili pasta whatever [TS]

  she's all about the noodles and then you [TS]

  know I got to be honest with you like it [TS]

  before [TS]

  if it's getting to be 545 and I might [TS]

  leave off the scale [TS]

  right right well yes I I you have a [TS]

  juicer though [TS]

  yeah we have a juicer but it's a whole [TS]

  thing you got to take it out you have to [TS]

  interact with it you know yeah i'm a [TS]

  range topman I do a lot of things with [TS]

  the range and the microwave but you've [TS]

  got gas you got gas yeah yeah and I [TS]

  don't know it [TS]

  my house is plumbed for gas but i have a [TS]

  have one of those [TS]

  cooktops that's like a black glass top [TS]

  that just makes me I don't know what it [TS]

  makes me want to do makes me want to [TS]

  break it with a hammer [TS]

  yeah that's one of those decisions were [TS]

  even if it does produce the same BTUs it [TS]

  feels like a design based decision [TS]

  rather a functional decision pursue [TS]

  small we wanted this to look pretty we [TS]

  didn't have the school [TS]

  oils like our parents yeah I wanted I [TS]

  don't want to look pretty i wanted to [TS]

  look functional and cool yeah uh [TS]

  incidentally I need to go back and i'm [TS]

  sure i've already gotten 40 tweets about [TS]

  this but it was not Tony lash who mixed [TS]

  never much big know butch big produced [TS]

  it hood andy wallace oh who mixed it [TS]

  andy wallace famous for having mixed the [TS]

  Slayer records are produced the Slayer [TS]

  record is that right yeah so they picked [TS]

  andy wallace because layer was heavy and [TS]

  cool and they wanted to sound like [TS]

  Slayer which again feels like an ironic [TS]

  somewhat ironic choice like yeah let's [TS]

  get this layer guy and then he made it [TS]

  like cool like weird sounding a little [TS]

  bit you know new wave and according to [TS]

  wikipedia which is never wrong [TS]

  both Wallace and big noted years later [TS]

  that upon hearing Wallace's work the [TS]

  band loved the mixes after the album's [TS]

  release however members of Nirvana [TS]

  expressed dissatisfaction with the [TS]

  Polish sound the mixer had given [TS]

  nevermind nerve cobain said income as [TS]

  you are the definitive rock book by my [TS]

  pal said looking back on the production [TS]

  of never moment who that is who comes to [TS]

  our author you make me look this up [TS]

  aren't you [TS]

  her about it [TS]

  only the Gonski husky Emily makowsky I'm [TS]

  trying to figure out who will come as [TS]

  you are [TS]

  wait a minute now I'm now I'm googling I [TS]

  don't even know what I'm another look [TS]

  about so that way about sex [TS]

  uh-oh up e a new bomb little i'm so [TS]

  sorry i derail this to bow away as they [TS]

  mentioned in the book [TS]

  oh uh right uh let me go back here butch [TS]

  vig oh no Michael as a rad [TS]

  oh that guy from others that could be [TS]

  your life [TS]

  yeah right that's great and he's like a [TS]

  super nice guy too and he runs now the [TS]

  talkhouse website where i have written [TS]

  several article that's him huh guys [TS]

  really enjoyed that book [TS]

  yeah and he's a smart very smart guy and [TS]

  a very very committed music dancing [TS]

  anyway music [TS]

  mhm within within his book come as you [TS]

  are [TS]

  Kurt says the following looking back I'm [TS]

  gonna do my Kurt boys okay looking back [TS]

  on the production of nevermind i'm [TS]

  embarrassed by now it's closer to a [TS]

  Motley Crue records that it is a punk [TS]

  rock record what an asshole a asshole [TS]

  thing to say [TS]

  be it was never a punk rock record you [TS]

  ding-a-ling and see what an asshole [TS]

  thing to say like like okay well want to [TS]

  go make a record with steve albini while [TS]

  he actively scorns you through the [TS]

  entire production my sense of being in [TS]

  that studio was without being like yeah [TS]

  that's that was pretty good i mean [TS]

  finally I think he seems like a pretty [TS]

  straight-up guy to work with [TS]

  well yeah but albini went on record [TS]

  saying he thought that Nirvana was like [TS]

  a middling the punk band like up kind of [TS]

  a middling mid talent band and it wasn't [TS]

  that impressed with them [TS]

  Wow and it's like well if you're going [TS]

  to say that after having made a record [TS]

  with them [TS]

  I can only imagine what you were like [TS]

  day to day he's walked a lot of stuff [TS]

  back in recent years he seems like he's [TS]

  mellowed a lot and I'm not trying to [TS]

  apologize for him but there's a lot he [TS]

  said some very controversial things in [TS]

  the capacities kind of walk back because [TS]

  I think I realized he was being kind of [TS]

  a dick [TS]

  well yeah I mean here pinky I think we [TS]

  don't think of albini as being young [TS]

  because he seems like prematurely old [TS]

  and wise to us right but yeah he was not [TS]

  he was not that old [TS]

  here the the the tracks is recorded kind [TS]

  of as a lark but me and cheap trick [TS]

  we're doing a record and then they ended [TS]

  up recording a bunch of tracks from in [TS]

  color [TS]

  re-recording them with [TS]

  him really yeah it's really good i mean [TS]

  you know everybody listens to that [TS]

  question color is famously like this [TS]

  very thin sounding album [TS]

  yeah um with some great songs on it like [TS]

  everybody be many people would be [TS]

  surprised you the original version i [TS]

  want you to want me because it's pretty [TS]

  thin but that was kind of style you know [TS]

  the thing is now course they to run that [TS]

  for 20 years and then they record this [TS]

  thing without being in 1998 and it's got [TS]

  barely any overdose it's very basic [TS]

  sounds fucking great [TS]

  yeah well and he's like no overdubs [TS]

  thing totally a like I get it right that [TS]

  was the the Seattle band that i had in [TS]

  the mid-nineties the drummer a a friend [TS]

  of mine named Lewis and he's a wonderful [TS]

  guy but he was he he said to me very [TS]

  early on in the in the time that we were [TS]

  playing together he was like listen [TS]

  reverb shit don't use reverb on anything [TS]

  it's garbage [TS]

  I was like really I mean it's a knob on [TS]

  my amp says reverb why would night [TS]

  why would I turn it kinda like had [TS]

  turned the mids like I don't know what [TS]

  the midnight does either but why [TS]

  wouldn't i use the reverb not but he's [TS]

  like reverb garbage and he was coming [TS]

  out of that school of like gated snares [TS]

  are garbage [TS]

  it's like well gated snares are just an [TS]

  effect there an effect like chorus there [TS]

  an effect like anything and reverb is [TS]

  just an aspect you can put it on or not [TS]

  put it on you can use it as a tool it's [TS]

  just a musical sounding thing right but [TS]

  this all these all these prohibitions on [TS]

  what you couldn't couldn't do in order [TS]

  to make music that like sounded whatever [TS]

  it's like park so and I was in I was [TS]

  influenced by this so I'm walking around [TS]

  45 years going on reverb is bad i didn't [TS]

  believe it but I also didn't know how to [TS]

  counter it and and what it turned out [TS]

  was I liked reverb and I didn't have [TS]

  enough i didn't have enough knowledge [TS]

  self-knowledge because i wasn't a record [TS]

  listener i was I didn't stay [TS]

  contemporary I was just sort of when I [TS]

  was you know I was I was susceptible [TS]

  right but [TS]

  I mean albini was 30 years old when he [TS]

  made in you and yeah i mean i remember [TS]

  30 years old I probably still would have [TS]

  said the reverb looks or whatever you [TS]

  know like I would have I wouldn't have [TS]

  known better and he probably knew a lot [TS]

  better than me but he would do stuff [TS]

  with the room [TS]

  it wasn't yeah into Mike's around he did [TS]

  it like old-fashioned style but but you [TS]

  know there's a difference between doing [TS]

  the thing strictly because it sounds [TS]

  good and doing it slightly motivated by [TS]

  because it's slightly motivated by the [TS]

  feeling that if you say you did it this [TS]

  way that sounds good [TS]

  you know what I mean like if you move [TS]

  the mics and it sounds better to you yes [TS]

  if you put the mic in a coffee can it [TS]

  sounds better to you yes but if you put [TS]

  the mic in the copy can sort of kind of [TS]

  thinking about how that's going to read [TS]

  in an interview after you do it [TS]

  oh yeah we put the bikes in a coffee can [TS]

  yeah that changes things and I was never [TS]

  a hundred percent able to it it seemed [TS]

  to me a lot of that stuff was in order [TS]

  to say that you didn't do any / times [TS]

  more than because overdubs didn't sound [TS]

  good [TS]

  which is not it's a little bit soft work [TS]

  it's a little bit ignorant is too strong [TS]

  a word when you make blanket statements [TS]

  about anything like that anymore it's [TS]

  the same kind of people who say like oh [TS]

  you know cgi is ruining movies which is [TS]

  like a common thing people say which is [TS]

  such a silly statement such an ignorant [TS]

  statement because it indicates a little [TS]

  understanding of like how movies are [TS]

  actually made and you know it's like a [TS]

  ghost and Syracuse of the day like it's [TS]

  almost like people saying salt is [TS]

  ruining food assault ruins food if you [TS]

  use it too much and it's all you can [TS]

  taste like salt actually does a lot of [TS]

  good stuff and I'm a chorus chorus that [TS]

  you barely even notice reverb that has a [TS]

  certain effect in this one part that can [TS]

  be extremely effective you won't do and [TS]

  just reject it out of hand [TS]

  well and also i mean think about think [TS]

  about band of horses and what they what [TS]

  they do with reverb right it's a it's [TS]

  absolutely crucial to their sound [TS]

  and it enables you to sing like ah and [TS]

  it sounds big right it's like we think [TS]

  about reverb as something that India [TS]

  uses and at first of all any is great [TS]

  sounding if you think about what i think [TS]

  and you did the music to the gladiator [TS]

  any is fascinating i just read a very [TS]

  long article about area [TS]

  what did you do any did a music did a [TS]

  song that got used by CNN after 911 and [TS]

  she got you know I residuals whatever [TS]

  you call it like you have to eat for you [TS]

  for every time they would go to their [TS]

  let's talk about 911 to play this little [TS]

  bit from an ending song and she she's [TS]

  making money like a doorknob in a wet [TS]

  sweater and now she lives in a castle in [TS]

  there with cats and doesn't talk to [TS]

  people doesn't talk to be right [TS]

  fascinating what a way to go with it be [TS]

  great when it's great to be able to be [TS]

  great to just go live in a castle with [TS]

  some cats wealthy we've talked about [TS]

  this before right I always wanted to [TS]

  live in a castle with cats until I moved [TS]

  out to rainier beach and I realized oh [TS]

  shit i just kind of want to sit in a [TS]

  cafe and be around people i don't want [TS]

  to talk to them but I don't want to not [TS]

  be around them and if i lived in a [TS]

  castle in Northern Ireland and never saw [TS]

  anybody i think i would go bananas which [TS]

  i think is what yeah well I mean like [TS]

  you know you like my friend in college [TS]

  used to say you are your options so I'm [TS]

  just saying if one of your options is a [TS]

  cast for cats [TS]

  that's a nice nice nice thing to have in [TS]

  your utility belt see that's very dope [TS]

  doesn't want that to be it wouldn't want [TS]

  that to be my only residence if I get [TS]

  great reverb in there too well so here's [TS]

  albini in 2011 albini says I can't [TS]

  really Express how much my admiration [TS]

  for nirvana grew during the course of [TS]

  making that record in utero in utero [TS]

  this 2011 I was familiar with them but I [TS]

  wouldn't have considered myself an prior [TS]

  to working on that record but during [TS]

  that making of that record i genuinely [TS]

  came to respect them as artists now this [TS]

  is the type of quote that people will [TS]

  send me to refute my contention like low [TS]

  know he came to respect them that's what [TS]

  he says well that's what he says in 2011 [TS]

  but i remember in nineteen ninety three [TS]

  or four [TS]

  reading him say I was familiar with them [TS]

  but I wouldn't have considered myself an [TS]

  and then following up that statement [TS]

  with and i found that they were a pretty [TS]

  mediocre punk band in the course of [TS]

  recording them and you know and I'm i [TS]

  understand revisionism I know what [TS]

  happens all the time I got into fucking [TS]

  big flame war on the internet with 45 [TS]

  people that I ended up blocking when i [TS]

  was talking about Tom Petty the look on [TS]

  Tom Petty space when Prince stole the [TS]

  show at the at the rock and roll hall of [TS]

  fame induction of george harrison there [TS]

  are a lot of people that were forwarding [TS]

  me an article written just recently [TS]

  where they interviewed tom petty and he [TS]

  was like oh I was so psyched I was so [TS]

  amazed at prince and I was so psyched [TS]

  and and he looked over at me and I was [TS]

  like go man go [TS]

  it's awesome I think there's a couple [TS]

  ways you can read that face that's one [TS]

  of them [TS]

  well I don't think you can read it that [TS]

  way but but ok you thought it was more [TS]

  like okay Tiger dilated huh well not [TS]

  even that I thought it was like night [TS]

  you know like way to step on my way to [TS]

  step on this awesome celebration of my [TS]

  friend George Harrison with your ego [TS]

  solo [TS]

  yeah that's what I like his compulsive [TS]

  one-upsmanship well and also like Prince [TS]

  I mean I had a lot of people have [TS]

  responded to me and in this but oh I [TS]

  think a very interesting comment and you [TS]

  know and were in that stage of lionizing [TS]

  Prince this is the wrong month to open a [TS]

  critical critical appraisal of threats [TS]

  right but you know one of the things [TS]

  about prince was he wasn't above showing [TS]

  off in a way that wasn't necessarily [TS]

  like musically brilliant not you know he [TS]

  was capable of sitting down and playing [TS]

  fuckin brilliant stuff but when he was [TS]

  on stage he he understood that his job [TS]

  was to show off and two wasn't really [TS]

  alone especially as he got more and more [TS]

  kind of isolated or choosing to not be [TS]

  out much like it was always an [TS]

  opportunity for him [TS]

  drew seemingly as fans the way we read [TS]

  that is it was always an opportunity to [TS]

  remind us that the kids still still got [TS]

  it [TS]

  yeah right and so his solo is thrilling [TS]

  it's increase incredible but it's not i [TS]

  mean he he pulls out every little windy [TS]

  with you know he's like doing stuff [TS]

  that's kind of corny almost and the guys [TS]

  on stage are going to recognize that to [TS]

  write those guys are no dummies [TS]

  everybody on that stage knows that when [TS]

  Prince goes well we will its he showing [TS]

  off right so anyway be sure you want to [TS]

  pursue this any way I I saw that look on [TS]

  Tom Petty space and it could I it could [TS]

  have been clearer to me but you know it [TS]

  his a his response [TS]

  several years later ten years later when [TS]

  somebody interviews in is oh yeah we [TS]

  totally loved it and it was amazing and [TS]

  if you watch that he claims in that [TS]

  interview that he had three or four [TS]

  interactions with Prince during that [TS]

  solo where prince came over and they [TS]

  were looking at each other and he was [TS]

  like keep it going man keep it going and [TS]

  you don't see any of that in the footage [TS]

  and you know set that another person [TS]

  commented to me that how convenient that [TS]

  all these all these six that you know [TS]

  these moments where petty was you know [TS]

  going do it do it man [TS]

  I didn't make it into the final cut and [TS]

  of course there were cameras on [TS]

  everybody at that show and you know if [TS]

  you were directing that film that if Tom [TS]

  Petty was saying to Prince keep it going [TS]

  man that that would have been assumed in [TS]

  on that that's not a thing that you [TS]

  would have said well we could look at [TS]

  that or we could spend that 2 seconds [TS]

  zooming in on the keyboard player so [TS]

  that kind of revisionism i understand it [TS]

  100% nobody wants to say yeah I used to [TS]

  shit talk Nirvana a lot and now my [TS]

  opinion has changed me that the impulses [TS]

  to say oh no I really came to respect [TS]

  them over the course of that record well [TS]

  no you really came to respect them over [TS]

  the course of ten years of thinking [TS]

  about that record I don't know it's you [TS]

  don't get very far in in in my world [TS]

  shit-talking nirvana [TS]

  I'm sorry should talk to steve albini [TS]

  and that's not what I'm doing [TS]

  yeah i'm just making an observation one [TS]

  of the things I've never understood and [TS]

  this is such a can of worms at this [TS]

  stage of the podcast yeah yeah but i [TS]

  I've never understood in Mike I huh you [TS]

  know when I saw the other day was good [TS]

  this episode of rock on the line is [TS]

  brought to you in part by us [TS]

  hi John that's right we actually have a [TS]

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  commercial read hi hello hello you can [TS]

  go and buy our t-shirts you go to cotton [TS]

  bureau dot-com and you can buy t-shirts [TS]

  you can also look in the show notes for [TS]

  this page at our I just look [TS]

  at episode 199 you will see that we have [TS]

  to well one very new brand new design in [TS]

  another updated and streamlined design [TS]

  that's right so two different t-shirts [TS]

  one is I mean the supertrain one from [TS]

  before we just took the rock on the line [TS]

  part off because if if it says hashtag [TS]

  supertrain that's self-explanatory that [TS]

  it's better in a lot of ways because [TS]

  that's a code you're going to find each [TS]

  other out now on the road with your [TS]

  fellow travelers you can see past the [TS]

  supertrain you're going to know ya [TS]

  pounce on super train at so that's the [TS]

  one shirt and that's for people that [TS]

  like to wear black shirts and then there [TS]

  is another great shirt which is a shirt [TS]

  with the picture of my orange belt the [TS]

  original bell to bell that you've been [TS]

  hearing accept no substitute you can [TS]

  have this Bell and it's got this is what [TS]

  I call the stingrays it's got some doing [TS]

  raised on the side there was some yeah [TS]

  right but it's got the little ding [TS]

  raised raised so that it's not just a [TS]

  bell it's a ringing it's a fucking Bell [TS]

  and that's and it doesn't say riding on [TS]

  the line in smaller letters and this is [TS]

  classy this is a classy sure this is [TS]

  another very heavily coated shirt so [TS]

  here's what you need to know you going [TS]

  to show us for this episode of rock [TS] you just gotta be calm and [TS]

  find it there just going to show us and [TS]

  you have until I believe May [TS]

  twenty-third yeah there's two weeks [TS]

  where you can order these shirts that's [TS]

  right and then they're not gonna be [TS]

  available they'll ship in early June but [TS]

  you need to go and do this now do it [TS]

  quickly tell your friend [TS]

  means to very handsome shirts and we're [TS]

  proud of these we really love the way [TS]

  these look don't sleep on this if you [TS]

  live in Denmark if you live in [TS]

  Christchurch yeah let's say you lived [TS]

  about the Balkans John if you live in [TS]

  the Balkans absofuckinlutely you want [TS]

  one of these shirts if you live in the [TS]

  the Maldives who order this shirt you'll [TS]

  be one of a very few people in the [TS]

  Maldives and that has a shirt and you'll [TS]

  feel very proud of yourself [TS]

  here's the thing that happens is people [TS]

  say to us they see how can we support [TS]

  your show how do we give you money and [TS]

  you know we don't like we'd like to ask [TS]

  your money we're not asking for for your [TS]

  cash in hand [TS]

  we're saying if you want to support the [TS]

  show and you would like to have a [TS]

  t-shirt this is your opportunity that's [TS]

  right this is the way that we do this [TS]

  and if you would like to be somebody who [TS]

  show their support for the show is one [TS]

  of the very rare times where i will say [TS]

  to you this is a way that you could do [TS]

  that and we if it's a shirt that you [TS]

  like and would wear I would be grateful [TS]

  if you would consider violence even if [TS]

  you don't wear t-shirts you these are [TS]

  suitable for framing [TS]

  yes and if you've never been in a house [TS]

  where someone has framed a t-shirt it's [TS]

  fucking amazing [TS]

  and if we ever see wearing it will sign [TS]

  it whether you like it or not [TS]

  oh right i'll jump on you and sign it ma [TS]

  Hobbit if you wear it to an event that [TS]

  we are having or you wear to like a [TS]

  tweetup or you wear it around thinking [TS]

  that we're gonna bump into each other [TS]

  that offer is no longer applicable so [TS]

  please go buy a shirt thank you to our [TS]

  friends at cotton bureau or special [TS]

  friend Jay for helping us out there and [TS]

  thanks to us for supporting Roderick [TS]

  online [TS]

  yeah thnkx us know where I love this [TS]

  song i love the song overkill by men at [TS]

  work [TS]

  I've always loved it even at the time it [TS]

  was one of the songs I felt like I don't [TS]

  exactly know what this is about but it [TS]

  seems important and remember even [TS]

  thinking this song is kind of a cut [TS]

  above the typical like new wave hit and [TS]

  I mean I'm always drawn to listen Colin [TS]

  Hay performances like Colin ages playing [TS]

  that solo still doing it still sounds [TS]

  fucking great i think that the amazing [TS]

  thing about them is how dark they were [TS]

  at in in all of the tunes other than the [TS]

  super hits and even kind of in the super [TS]

  super hits still have it like a [TS]

  even a dark sense of humor or something [TS]

  a little bit like whom these guys are [TS]

  quite right right there something you [TS]

  know they're goofin and a way not [TS]

  they're not goofin like they might be [TS]

  giants that they have like kind of like [TS]

  almost like this is gonna sound weird [TS]

  but like a who circuit 1967 you have [TS]

  like oh this could be about diddling [TS]

  kind of feeling like yeah right it could [TS]

  be fucked up here super fucked up and [TS]

  and I in the ice mentioned they might be [TS]

  giants in the sense that their songs are [TS]

  really dark if you a lot of them if you [TS]

  dig into yeah it flows into the lyrics [TS]

  to be listened to the lyrics and think [TS]

  about it even for a second but like a [TS]

  you know be good Johnny you know they're [TS]

  it's not just it's not an overkill right [TS]

  yeah it's a mistake like those tunes if [TS]

  you really dig into him even sonically [TS]

  their dark you know they're weird the [TS]

  lot of weird minor chords and and [TS]

  strange sort of sonic constructions that [TS]

  that even at the time when when there [TS]

  was a lot of stuff on the radio like men [TS]

  without hats like men at work versus men [TS]

  without hats there's nothing I couldn't [TS]

  dig into anything deeper on men without [TS]

  hats than safety dance [TS]

  yeah this is terrific song but it's kind [TS]

  of a novelty song yeah whereas men at [TS]

  work I felt like there was there was [TS]

  that there was a reason in a way and [TS]

  this is another can of worms in a way [TS]

  like dire straits there was a lot of [TS]

  deep dive on dire straits got going to [TS]

  criticize them now my god I couldn't you [TS]

  know like the man's too big demands too [TS]

  strong i listen that's one of those [TS]

  songs i listen to 40 times in a row [TS]

  because it was just still it was [TS]

  imparting so much to me but like dire [TS]

  straits up [TS]

  I don't understand a single criticism of [TS]

  them maybe a little bit like we know [TS]

  they're there just socialize with me [TS]

  there hit record like so many of the hit [TS]

  records at that time does sound a little [TS]

  dated but you know how can you blame [TS]

  that on anybody [TS]

  whereas something like even like there's [TS]

  their second [TS]

  record like still I mean they sound like [TS]

  maybe like a record from the eighties [TS]

  but I think Sultans of Swing has a [TS]

  timelessness to it [TS]

  well not just that but like okay you [TS]

  take money for nothing out [TS]

  let's just say money for nothing is just [TS]

  out it's just we're not even gonna talk [TS]

  about it but like brothers-in-arms the [TS]

  tune yeah i mean i'm looking here there [TS]

  is some there is some weird production [TS]

  on that like the sound of rain falling [TS]

  that you're a little bit like really [TS]

  thunder and lightning on it ok but i'll [TS]

  let you know that's a little bit Bob [TS]

  Seger but yes but the tune itself [TS]

  incredible and I think of so far away [TS]

  let's get some I mean there's even in [TS]

  you know like industrial disease is a [TS]

  little bit sort of proto money for [TS]

  nothing but Romeo and Juliet that's a [TS]

  terrific Siamese that's what i'm [TS]

  thinking of like or that skate away song [TS]

  well that's romeo and juliet right uh I [TS]

  I just you know what's funny is like I [TS]

  remember I new songs a swing from when [TS]

  he came out but then dire straits for [TS]

  one of those bands Oh No skate away is [TS]

  the name yeah well but it was one of [TS]

  those are it was one of those going back [TS]

  a little doll that alchemy live record [TS]

  was so good but it was you know one of [TS]

  those bands where they would have these [TS]

  videos these weird videos on MTV that [TS]

  were not like other videos you know I [TS]

  mean they were just they were more like [TS]

  it's not be colic but they were like [TS]

  sort of they're not just weird like [TS]

  little like tone poems or something [TS]

  yeah i mean so so they're goofball songs [TS]

  twisting by the pool money for nothing [TS]

  and i don't know like calling elvis or I [TS]

  mean they had some they had some tunes [TS]

  that were a little herp derp but but [TS]

  they had so many so many good tunes and [TS]

  i think that i think that the fact that [TS]

  Marv not mark knopfler is friends with [TS]

  both eric clapton steam is one of the [TS]

  reasons that it's hard it's hard for [TS]

  people to casually appraise them it's [TS]

  like in a a he wore a headband be he was [TS]

  friends with sting [TS]

  normally that would be all you have [TS]

  that's as deep as you have to go right [TS]

  that's two strikes two strikes and [TS]

  you're out [TS]

  headbands people won't remember that [TS]

  even by this time staying with seeming [TS]

  pretty insufferable really bad during [TS]

  the synchronicity era was the outfits [TS]

  that he would wear and and i will be [TS]

  interviews the interviews with him it's [TS]

  like with his stunt classes in yoga talk [TS]

  i would never criticize that album [TS]

  because 10 rated so overrated [TS]

  wow that's that's tough talk [TS]

  synchronicity to it's a good song but I [TS]

  mean it'sit's know like ghosts in the [TS]

  machine [TS]

  ok alright i agree with that and you're [TS]

  not in the Machine and was it not send [TS]

  Adam and daughter was the other one [TS]

  because the machine was the one right [TS]

  before it [TS]

  ya gotta Madonna holy shit those two [TS]

  albums i mean because the machine was [TS]

  like wow you here's an add-on like all [TS]

  my god what more could they do and it [TS]

  goes the Machine oh my god so good [TS]

  well and this is I mean if you think [TS]

  about the first 14 REM records [TS]

  yeah the first for you to records [TS]

  yeah i mean all those early police [TS]

  records its yeah a lot of good stuff [TS]

  there and then it all went to shit in [TS]

  all three cases so anyway Colin k is a [TS]

  great singer walking in your footsteps [TS]

  come on synchronicity to king of pain [TS]

  even if you hate wrapped around your [TS]

  finger it's still good to ya yes every [TS]

  breath you take look I'll come on you're [TS]

  killing me every breath you take is like [TS]

  you choose one if it was if anybody else [TS]

  any other band did that Thun you would [TS]

  think even as a one-hit wonder [TS]

  but like if a even if dire straits had [TS]

  done every breath you take but like if [TS]

  every breath you take had been done by [TS]

  donovan even I mean it would be like the [TS]

  best song in their cattle 3255 titles [TS]

  three to five titles you ready for this [TS]

  but number one spirits in the material [TS]

  world number to every little thing she [TS]

  does is magic in [TS]

  number three invisible son member for [TS]

  hungry for you number 5 Demolition Man [TS]

  yeah ride one [TS]

  alright that's a tough that stuff back [TS]

  to follow I mean that's that's that's up [TS]

  there with like master of puppets for [TS]

  like an amazing side one [TS]

  yeah yeah oh my god you gotta make a man [TS]

  oh man even they're throwaways they're [TS]

  so fun and admittedly tea in the Sahara [TS]

  is that another and e1 no tienes sara is [TS]

  sting doing his sheltering sky song like [TS]

  he read the sheltering sky and he wrote [TS]

  a song about it and it's so awful [TS]

  because it's like well it's like his [TS]

  song about Lolita uh-huh right like [TS]

  don't don't read a book and then I mean [TS]

  because you just feel like he's not come [TS]

  memories not like it's not a tribute to [TS]

  it as much as it is an a cooperation of [TS]

  it [TS]

  okay here's the thing is i remember [TS]

  reading an interview with him in [TS]

  probably like maybe guitar player knows [TS]

  it was through some major music [TS]

  magazines around the time the dream of [TS]

  the turtles or whatever you dream about [TS]

  it and then like to talk about the [TS]

  interview instincts sitting there and [TS]

  his bare feet like with his yoga outfit [TS]

  on and he's he's got a yellow legal pad [TS]

  and a rhyming dictionary and put some [TS]

  reason and I was like you know what like [TS]

  that's why that's so awkward because [TS]

  here's the situation i want to write a [TS]

  service went away on a week's vacation [TS]

  yeah parents say nothing but trouble but [TS]

  but but so you know this thing is [TS]

  sitting there going like there's i want [TS]

  to mention that i've read this book [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah you know but I can't just [TS]

  I you know I don't want to just mention [TS]

  it like it has to be a little more slide [TS]

  in that so just mentioned the hop [TS]

  author's name but here's the problem [TS]

  his name is kinda hard to run haha she [TS]

  starts to shake and cough yeah just like [TS]

  the old man in that book by now but god [TS]

  it's still still pretty great you just [TS]

  what you want to kick him in the shin [TS]

  but also like it was that video go watch [TS]

  that video and tell me you don't want to [TS]

  be in that [TS]

  man if that was the only if that was his [TS]

  only crime yes you get you just say like [TS]

  awesome right yeah it's one of those [TS]

  crimes where it's like that was awesome [TS]

  and then reflecting back on his later [TS]

  crimes you go oh that was just a [TS]

  harbinger like you would not i mean it [TS]

  was trouble for a long time when Elvis [TS]

  Costello got this beef for being a [TS]

  racist where he had used eight the wrong [TS]

  word used the N word to describe rate [TS]

  rustles and also called him blind and [TS]

  ignorant [TS]

  now that was the story that went around [TS]

  for a long time [TS]

  turns out from what I hear he was doing [TS]

  that to troll [TS]

  oh yeah Bonnie Raitt up on the right on [TS]

  doing any and bonnie bramlett yeah but [TS]

  basically he was trolling them because [TS]

  they were they were being all like Oh a [TS]

  certain way [TS]

  yeah he was he was he was an active [TS]

  elvis costello not only loves break all [TS]

  this music but like it's a giant fan of [TS]

  huge amounts anyway but basically he was [TS]

  a total troll toll troll now that's true [TS]

  that's what I've heard [TS]

  yeah I think he got punched in the eye I [TS]

  think it not only do I feel like it's [TS]

  true but absolutely plausible and as [TS]

  usually the kind of thing i'll discuss [TS]

  teller would do as you know I was Elvis [TS]

  Costello's driver for two days that's [TS]

  true you were and elvis costello that is [TS]

  absolutely in keeping with him and it [TS]

  just it just so happened that that kind [TS]

  of that that trolling happened in [TS]

  earshot of a of a reporter that wanted [TS]

  to take him down and what can [TS]

  what can you say I mean yeah it it it [TS]

  negatively affected his career and maybe [TS]

  maybe that taught him a lesson right i [TS]

  mean he he pulled that same stone on [TS]

  Saturday Night Live and they never had a [TS]

  back or you know or or a similar degree [TS]

  of like I'm going to stop this on that [TS]

  we agreed i was going to do and I'm [TS]

  gonna do the song that we agreed i could [TS]

  not do right that I specifically told me [TS]

  not to do [TS]

  yeah right and and you specifically told [TS]

  me not to do it because of bullshit [TS]

  corporate reasons 1234 32 terror and [TS]

  it's like yeah that was cool except the [TS]

  people watching probably didn't realize [TS]

  how cool you were being here and the [TS]

  people who were your kids are gonna love [TS]

  it [TS]

  yeah like the people who are running the [TS]

  show uh it was not cool to them and yet [TS]

  so at elvis costello did a lot of things [TS]

  that in the fullness of time we look [TS]

  back and they seemed kind of legendary [TS]

  like wow he he did that well he you know [TS]

  and you forgive him [TS]

  you forgive him for what he said about [TS]

  Ray Charles because it's a little bit [TS]

  like them [TS]

  it's a little bit of Mussolini's train [TS]

  running on time like it's he was being [TS]

  it he was being ironic [TS]

  just as the italians were being like yes [TS]

  when it and it entered the it entered [TS]

  the lexicon as a thing meant you know [TS]

  it's a thing taken straight when it was [TS]

  meant to be you know taken to mean the [TS]

  opposite but so what do you you know [TS]

  anyway Colin Hay is fantastic singer [TS]

  still today I'm going to be just six [TS]

  titles only six titles [TS]

  ok don't stand so close to me yeah [TS]

  driven to tears proven tutus and then of [TS]

  course you straight into when the world [TS]

  is running down you make the best with [TS]

  what still around [TS]

  number four canary in a coalmine 05 [TS]

  voices inside my head 6 bombs away at [TS]

  and what I don't know what that man in a [TS]

  suitcase into da what I what I don't [TS]

  know is that we're talking about albums [TS]

  from an era where we bought albums and [TS]

  listen to them all the way through and [TS]

  you newest knew every song not only knew [TS]

  every song but every transition you [TS]

  would get to the AP if you hear one of [TS]

  those songs on the radio now attending [TS]

  doesn't go into when it was running down [TS]

  that you start seeing in the next tune [TS]

  for stars that's likely we will rock you [TS]

  without playing we are the champions and [TS]

  and I and I wonder if that [TS]

  if that will ever it will ever return to [TS]

  a time when people digested complete [TS]

  works in that same way they'll let the [TS]

  those first four police albums you know [TS]

  all of the Beatles records all of the [TS]

  mean in a way for me all of the early [TS]

  ZZTop records [TS]

  although i know not everybody follows me [TS]

  there well but I know I i take me like [TS]

  you right now you going to call her the [TS]

  Beatles are good [TS]

  let's do a match them up with them with [TS]

  a super shuffle in here bones she came [TS]

  in through the bathroom when you called [TS]

  me a fucking break yeah that's not a [TS]

  song you hear that's a that's a better [TS]

  part that's the part that's like that's [TS]

  like that's like the only reading the [TS]

  nouns [TS]

  yeah that one and you know the the [TS]

  beatles number ones right that was put [TS]

  out as a record or I mean and the open [TS]

  here's the problem [TS]

  the blue album and the red album our [TS]

  albums to me [TS]

  oh god that was that was where it [TS]

  started for me right and so I started [TS]

  with the I want to see the blue album i [TS]

  started with the second one [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah that's that's not able to [TS]

  use your Madonna oh my god i love that [TS]

  album so much so I when I get to the end [TS]

  of a song i'm as likely to think of the [TS]

  next song the blue album as I am to [TS]

  think of the next song on the album that [TS]

  those records that doesn't that mean [TS]

  Young's decade [TS]

  oh yeah that that is that mean like [TS]

  that's one of the ones we like a you [TS]

  know if you only want to have one neil [TS]

  young title in your house that that's [TS]

  arguably i'm done that even the biggest [TS]

  proponent of going on by a best out but [TS]

  that covers so much ground and has so [TS]

  many extremely good songs on it you know [TS]

  what I mean yeah well so like REM is [TS]

  eponymous with my god very early to do a [TS]

  greatest hits record on a band that but [TS]

  you know but it was with a free copy of [TS]

  dead letter office but I'm sorry well [TS]

  I'm sorry not upon us dead letter office [TS]

  had the outtakes plus it came with a [TS]

  copy of chronic town which felt like [TS]

  magic to me pretty smart and the promise [TS]

  was pretty good that was there IRS hits [TS]

  right right and that was IRS trying to [TS]

  do I mean was that contractual [TS]

  obligation record i think but also [TS]

  trying to capitalize on the Warner [TS]

  success we have the fact that like hey [TS]

  you guys this is all good [TS]

  get back here you know and we've got [TS]

  this catalog and please lots of strong [TS]

  record that's so good [TS]

  yeah you know what do you like greatest [TS]

  hits records can also be awful [TS]

  I mean the Eagles greatest hits are kind [TS]

  of the only thing you need to own and [TS]

  even then you [TS]

  well I don't know maybe not maybe not [TS]

  maybe the Eagles are your reverb yeah [TS]

  maybe you're right i mean I'm and I well [TS]

  I don't watch that did you watch that a [TS]

  two part movie on netflix i did i watch [TS]

  it like once here we have really loved [TS]

  it i just for joe walsh if nothing else [TS]

  but like i don't know i get a lot from [TS]

  watching that the when you think about [TS]

  the Eagles when they looked their best [TS]

  oh man it's kind of like the Beatles [TS]

  during sergeant pepper like the Eagles [TS]

  looked so good when they looked at their [TS]

  best and then they looked so bad when [TS]

  they didn't look their best like glenn [TS]

  frey's for I was empirically hot was a [TS]

  really cool good-looking guy when he had [TS]

  a mustache and was wearing likes the [TS]

  aviator glasses and the furry the collar [TS]

  yeah and the faded like very tight [TS]

  bell-bottom denim when they all were [TS]

  wearing that denim like the denim era of [TS]

  the eagles they couldn't have been [TS]

  cooler looking and then almost [TS]

  immediately when glenn frey like got [TS]

  into weight lifting or put gel in his [TS]

  hair whatever whatever it was they all [TS]

  of a sudden looked awful and i don't i [TS]

  don't know how I don't know how that [TS]

  would have how you and I mean I have to [TS]

  say like maybe I fell prey to this [TS]

  myself like every photograph that my [TS]

  band ever took and publicized looked [TS]

  awful because i kept shaving two days [TS]

  before our photoshoot for some reason [TS]

  for some reason I kept feeling like [TS]

  the beard was a thing that I wore all [TS]

  the time as a sort of as a muffler as a [TS]

  scarf and existential muffler [TS]

  yeah but when it came time to like [TS]

  actually represent the band and show up [TS]

  for a photo shoot [TS]

  yeah I'd shave it here your dad's voice [TS]

  in your head like a tie and then i [TS]

  looked like shit and then I mean we grew [TS]

  the beard back and so everywhere i went [TS]

  here i am with my beard and my shaggy [TS]

  hair feeling good and I walk into the [TS]

  club and there'd be an enormous picture [TS]

  of me with my big fleshy face that what [TS]

  it was it wasn't looking like the cousin [TS]

  you're not sure if you want to invite to [TS]

  the wedding [TS]

  yeah I look so terrible and and it was [TS]

  not just that but I had only shape two [TS]

  days before so my face was kind of raw [TS]

  but it just wasn't and so when you think [TS]

  about the Eagles during that period [TS]

  you're like to its don't shave your [TS]

  mustache is you look amazing and they're [TS]

  just not thinking that way right Don [TS]

  Henley in his in his like it literally [TS]

  his henley shirts every I don't know he [TS]

  did that on purpose but all the [TS]

  seventies he was wearing Henley's like a [TS]

  collarless shirts which we call handling [TS]

  I didn't know that [TS]

  and his name is Don Henley and you're [TS]

  just like really there's a guy's a [TS]

  visual pun it's a little bit part me but [TS]

  we should talk about handsome guitar [TS]

  parts i won't talk about david gilmour [TS]

  someday that that guy was super handsome [TS]

  when he was young im so hands and he was [TS]

  really is a good player [TS]

  well he's Pashtu I think all those guys [TS]

  are popular pretty posh who I did go [TS]

  more is my if I were a wizard [TS]

  I would have kind of three choices for [TS]

  what my familiar would be okay and I [TS]

  think to I could have any to write I [TS]

  feel like if I were an idea and I do [TS]

  believe I maybe half wizard but if i [TS]

  were a full-fledged wizard and what I [TS]

  wasn't when I wasn't making half hobbits [TS]

  with the hobbit winches I i would be [TS]

  walking around and it can make a little [TS]

  bit make a little well not Bilbo's they [TS]

  be bill bill rods [TS]

  I will ride the hobbit little bill rod [TS]

  half wizard if Wizards are at our angels [TS]

  of some kind but i would have to [TS]

  familiarize right i would have a raven [TS]

  that was flying ahead and checking for [TS]

  nas goals and just you know he's just [TS]

  flying ahead right he's watching sure [TS]

  sure see you crow her and then he's [TS]

  either coming back to report to me or [TS]

  he's psionically reporting to me he's [TS]

  the three-eyed Raven but he's also a [TS]

  little like Rottweiler were like he [TS]

  knows when to go off and do his own [TS]

  little campaign and then come back [TS]

  yeah he's doing his own business and [TS]

  he's a little bit independent of me [TS]

  right sometimes he's not dependable [TS]

  because he's working his own angle em [TS]

  right but he's mostly allied with me but [TS]

  he's easy easy independent guy and we [TS]

  don't have a formal you know the formal [TS]

  Raven human relationship butBut it's [TS]

  something we're like the out of [TS]

  friendship and mutual admiration and [TS]

  even really a mutual mission [TS]

  yeah you can each other most of the time [TS]

  yeah he keeps close but if they're a [TS]

  bunch of other Ravens it's not like he's [TS]

  not going to work for you [TS]

  exactly he's like a giant eagles like if [TS]

  Gandalf can summon giant eagles to take [TS]

  to rescue Frodo it as the as saw Ron's a [TS]

  mountain of fire collapses [TS]

  ok why couldn't get off have just some [TS]

  of those Eagles to take him there in the [TS]

  first place very obviating the need for [TS]

  the entire quest i guess it's because [TS]

  Iran would have seen the Eagles coming [TS]

  but it also seems like maybe the Eagles [TS]

  could have taken this quite a bit ly [TS]

  content with strip quite aways right if [TS]

  you have connected vehicles [TS]

  maybe I could have taken the taking the [TS]

  party all the way up to God or at least [TS]

  ok so million number one choice number [TS]

  one in this array John considers the [TS]

  Raven the right The Raven is there and [TS]

  he's you know he comes and goes but he's [TS]

  he's be pal okay and yeah you and then a [TS]

  raccoon [TS]

  ok a raccoon who is kind of scampering [TS]

  along i imagine a raccoon kind of like [TS]

  the guardians of the galaxy record [TS]

  although maybe not that contentious who [TS]

  like a raccoon that also can kind of [TS]

  communicate with me and he's the he's a [TS]

  little bit of a trickster [TS]

  you if I'm if I'm having a conversation [TS]

  with somebody on the trail he'll sneak [TS]

  around behind them and that's what he's [TS]

  there for that's his performance [TS]

  characters you don't you don't tell a [TS]

  raccoon not to the camper and and [TS]

  Twitter and ang I've I guess we can see [TS]

  skitters right so he's so there they are [TS]

  you know I'm like arguing with some [TS]

  trolls and the middle part about my [TS]

  backpack and the raccoon is going [TS]

  through their luck it right [TS]

  yeah he's got their luggage he's fucking [TS]

  with them is I'm gonna shoe laces [TS]

  looking looking for middle-earth [TS]

  traveler's checks [TS]

  yeah right he's fucking he's like he [TS]

  squirted some toothpaste on their bag [TS]

  and then i can say all you've got a leak [TS]

  in your bag and then I fucking rip them [TS]

  off [TS]

  it's it's it's going papermoon you hate [TS]

  we recommend have a long gone in [TS]

  electric that's exactly right so the [TS]

  Bible salesman if you think about the [TS]

  combination of a rubber raven and a [TS]

  raccoon has two familiars I'm thinking [TS]

  that's some wizardry right there but i [TS]

  know i had a third familiar it would be [TS]

  David Gilmour and what we like you asked [TS]

  what he do for you [TS]

  I mean it can be handsome think about [TS]

  traveling with David killed he has you [TS]

  know what though like he's he's a ranger [TS]

  right exactly a ranger you're exactly [TS]

  right because he's got he's got charisma [TS]

  he's got wisdom he's got strength and [TS]

  he's got very very high charisma and I [TS]

  think he could probably do a lot of [TS]

  sweet-talking but i bet he is great he [TS]

  has great taste we all know he has great [TS]

  taste is very restrained he's gonna keep [TS]

  you on even keel super-regal now think [TS]

  about your coming into it you're coming [TS]

  into a border town [TS]

  yeah right you get through the gates and [TS]

  you're going to the inn and you walk [TS]

  into the in and everybody in there [TS]

  smoking pipes and they've got their [TS]

  hoods on their cloaks up and the [TS]

  conversation stops when you walk in the [TS]

  door and everybody turns and looks at [TS]

  you and then normally they would go back [TS]

  to their conversations and you would [TS]

  feel like sort of lokale let's saddle up [TS]

  to the bar and see if there's a room at [TS]

  the end but now reimagine that scene [TS]

  with david gilmour [TS]

  war you push him a little bit forward he [TS]

  walks in stands in the doorway the bar [TS]

  everybody turns and listens and stops [TS]

  talking [TS]

  hello and then they continue to stop [TS]

  talking because it's funny david gilmour [TS]

  there and he walks over is like your [TS]

  finest room please and they give you the [TS]

  finest room king anything miles is a [TS]

  little sparkle fucking david gilmour is [TS]

  here right was very very handsome [TS]

  well and when david gilmour walks into a [TS]

  to a club in 1969 on London and [TS]

  everybody goes to the gills here no one [TS]

  says from David kill Moore's here right [TS]

  right [TS]

  he looks he looks like he looks like he [TS]

  could be in the dismemberment plan you [TS]

  know he was less handsome he's so [TS]

  wonderful look at a chi and I mean when [TS]

  David Gilmore says here's how I record [TS]

  my solos [TS]

  I just [TS]

  I just [TS]

  and the amp all the way up the end right [TS]

  you're like I believe you I believe that [TS]

  and I don't think that that is a put-on [TS]

  I don't think that's pretentious at all [TS]

  he turns his amp all the way up and [TS]

  that's how he gets his sound that that's [TS]

  all you need to know he described [TS]

  anymore it would ruin the lesson [TS]

  yeah has everything you need to know now [TS]

  you'll figure it out yeah turn your app [TS]

  all the way up right and then your [TS]

  guitar will respond differently and [TS]

  that's that it's but it's it but the [TS]

  thing is it's not a recipe it's a way of [TS]

  life you can't use a way of life to make [TS]

  toast [TS]

  that's a nice piece for it's a recipe [TS]

  right out that's right and then also [TS]

  happen so I mean it's not a recipe in [TS]

  the sense of going like okay you're [TS]

  gonna have a perfect sourdough bread [TS]

  after you turn up your am no that's not [TS]

  it at all [TS]

  turn up the ramp and double play for 20 [TS]

  years ago play well and also be inspired [TS]

  and brilliant and wonderful [TS]

  yeah be really good that's the other [TS]

  thing I don't think that other tip [TS]

  that's the other tip I don't think [TS]

  having David Gilmour as your father [TS]

  would be very great though I think that [TS]

  he is maybe a little bit of a love with [TS]

  holder if you if you give me if you get [TS]

  my drift [TS]

  that still does not count him out for [TS]

  the campaign though you got a ravenous [TS]

  raccoon David cab get a ravenous raccoon [TS]

  david gilmour that you're gonna have a [TS]

  very interesting campaign [TS]

  yeah well I'm the thing is I don't need [TS]

  love from david gilmour in that in that [TS]

  moment because the Ravens not give me [TS]

  any love and the raccoon barely is I'm [TS]

  and frankly I'm getting my love from two [TS]

  things Hobbit girl and a young Linda [TS]

  Ronstadt oh man is she wearing skates [TS]

  well was she on the campaign and skates [TS]

  oh my god yeah all right right even the [TS]

  nozzle would turn away she's wearing [TS]

  giant hoop earrings and roller skates [TS]

  who had a raccoon and a raven David job [TS]

  market later on stand around it's giving [TS]

  me blue bayou just think about it I mean [TS]

  I mean shit what why is this not my life [TS]

  now this should be a module this should [TS]

  be I mean talk about like I didn't roll [TS]

  for this character i chose this [TS]

  character [TS]

  haha oh I'm so sad [TS]

  fire t-shirts oh shit yeah then we can [TS]

  talk about it too much for two hours in [TS]