Ep. 210: "Parents and Other Dingalings"
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this episode of Roderick on the line is
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sponsored by concert against humanity an
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that's Friday August fifth 2016 at the
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Lowe aye jaan hyper blue my job how's it
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going good together
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it's early is really it's early you're
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on time today man
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yeah well yeah turn clocked n just like
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every just like every time
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right on right on the button yeah
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buttons yeah hi I one of those nights
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last night were just could not stay
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that's the worst a dryad some kind of
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had some kind of dream that there was a
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spider i woke up and i had to move on my
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no no and then I was like I can't go
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back to sleep there's a spider in my
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pillows course there wasn't
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oh I mean not be right not per se
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you're right but the dream that I had
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about the spider was a dream not
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reflective the number spiders that were
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in my pillows and then I i I'm doing
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admin on now you got up and get admin
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right about three or 330 the morning I
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was like you know what it's about time I
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joined snapchat oh good for you that you
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can win as the light comes with the
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ghost I have well you know I joined it
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and I went through you know I went
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through the rigmarole and then I got in
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there and I was like what I'm going to
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start snapchatting right now I'm not
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going to choose my mama choose my avatar
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right now four o'clock in the morning
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and you're crazy if I ask I've got some
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sense and so yeah I woke up this morning
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some congratulations from people about
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my having joint snapchat which felt good
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that felt good little bit @midnight
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street just keep lines right just just
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keeping the lines right and I I what
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else do they do hope
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oh I or haha i organized my apps on your
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yeah I gotta love doing that got rid of
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some I move them around holders folders
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folders I didn't you know I folder a few
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yeah but you know I was more like this
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is the literary page of the apps and
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this one is the banking page you know
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this one is the one of all the of all
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the Astronomy ones me it's like
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as in your library yeah that's right so
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i did some of that feeling doesn't also
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feel good to get rid of one's here's my
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test if i'm not sure what this does
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i isolated the Sun is a positive ago I
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don't really remember what this does
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yeah well I went through a phase where I
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really believed yeah yeah
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do you have one of those five-year
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Diaries I'm unfamiliar with him but I
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don't maintain one
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yeah I've all you know for the last five
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years I've had a five-year diary sitting
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on top of bookshelf read more every
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morning I look at remember tomorrow is
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the day I'm gonna start keeping a
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five-year diary wouldn't that be a great
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thing to have any great thing to have
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wouldn't that be great to look back and
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say I kept that diary for five years and
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here it is a record for everyone haven't
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been doing it if I had one for the last
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five years boy what a resource it would
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be yeah yeah yeah I love for phor like I
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just where your head was on a given day
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yeah you know what my my mom and dad
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kept check registers oh yeah sure but in
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between that in your phonebook you know
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your phone address book em does remove
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those are real documents in the house
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yeah I've got check registers from my
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folks and back into the seventies and
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you can just flip through it's like oh
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well here's that here is the actual
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entry for the for the check that paid
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for the first piano lesson
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Wow and it happened on this day you know
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it's like really heavy particularly we
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know what my folks were like you know
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what they were kind of fighting for
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custody for a while I mean it's very
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interesting to see like how much time
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actually spent with them what we were
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doing so five-year you know five your
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diary to have all this stuff like today
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we went to the zoo yesterday we went to
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the zoo go to the zoo every day our
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lives are totally on changing from day
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to day but it's fun to deal with like
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say quicken exactly
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yeah exactly and so so there was a there
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was a little brief period there where I
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downloaded a couple of apps that were
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like take a picture of yourself everyday
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sure it was Adam Lanza gore the got me
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thinking about it because he did some
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he's insane face channel
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was a cult I don't know some he's got 10
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uh-huh i was one about the animals
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before I remember that easy take a
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picture and then you can make that into
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like an animation that shows your aging
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yes he was sitting on a park bench sadly
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eating a sandwich yeah but he took a
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picture of himself each time here i am
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sort of you know I'm I mean Adam I'm the
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lovable sandwich eating guy that that
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and now look at me look at me for a
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whole year sad sandwich eating guy every
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day I wanted to be that so I downloaded
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some of these i took some pictures of
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myself every day for like two weeks six
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days and then I forgot to keep doing it
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and so I deleted all those I'm trying to
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there's a ringtone i really want
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I've never wanted a ringtone before the
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acapella one I could tell when I really
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want this will be more than happy to
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help you with this i have an appt made
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by my friend fucking fascist where you
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just you take the take the fall you drop
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it on their transition ringtown easy
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peasy lemon squeezy
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but i wanna i want to edit it oh yeah
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you know I don't want you also has an
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app for that coefficient love this I
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love that there's a map for no we
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haven't done super tech support in
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no that's true I you know there's a lot
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of things so I want this I want this
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thing i downloaded two apps and I spent
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I swear to you two hours in itunes just
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trying to figure out how to work it now
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yeah i think is not a good place to
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start anything every time you know used
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to be your itunes five choices you go i
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might get a little bit like a dream
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because you're pretty sure it's like oh
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it was my music collection but it wasn't
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and you were there but you weren't and
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my rents demos with not there and they
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should have been
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yeah and meanwhile every time i would
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try to get a push the button i'd get
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into something like this is where I want
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to be in my I try to back out of it
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good luck tonight have been kind of
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backed out of it had to back all the way
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to Paraguay and I'm sitting around i
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don't speak spanish it's like what how
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to make it to Paraguay was way no not
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explain oh so I stopped doing that is
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don't have the ringtone well i'll be
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happy to help you with that I woke up
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this morning Merlin to and I had an idea
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that one day I would wake up to this
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acapella wonderful
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acapella music still well there's a lot
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in there and you have to tell you you're
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getting into here is a very John
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Roderick topic i think really does not
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run well just because like for myself
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you know I'm not really do anything I
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don't have that much stuff to do but sit
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there and get just get started a little
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bit with the with manscaping my apps and
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then you know 45 minutes goes by the
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first of all all the games that my
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daughter has downloaded are now pushing
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everything way off the screen just have
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pages and pages of games about cooking
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and so I just dropped one on the other
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makes a folder called games and then I
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drop drop drop drop then I couldn't fix
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a photocall games job gonna drop drop
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drop drop drop drop drop drop it all
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right in there but no but I think
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there's something I wish Apple would
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help us a little bit with that I mean I
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kind of feel like there's two things one
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giant wish and a small wish the giant
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wishes i wish you would really really
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kind it does this with that little
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screen to the last but I would really
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realize hey dingaling you know you got
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200 apps on there but like here's the
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six you use constantly and here is the
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30 you've used in the last month and
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automatically you know move dumb stuff
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away i don't drive some people crazy but
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yeah i would i would like that because I
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guess I get sick of moving the stuff
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from but it's very i find it very
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rewarding try to find a recent ringtone
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I've got oh I'm not familiar with the
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with the work of the the comedian Patton
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Oswalt yes but there's something that I
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yell at Mike at several times a day
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it's not one of his routine so I made
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that into my ringtone here we go of you
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no format just got a problem let's see
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here what are you doing huh
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so I like yelled at my cats are all that
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time I tell her she's a hideous monster
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and when she moves from one room to
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another I say what are you doing
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see this is what I want I want our full
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yes I wanted to be full of me and
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Johnny's are your device's you should be
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having fun with this
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you should get you should get turned
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crunk and you should get on fleek I
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should yes I should these are some of my
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yes squad pound sign squad goals i
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should have all my devices should
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represent the inner me
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oh god yes write me when I'm fucked up
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that's the real me elbow you kidding me
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huh and i want it i don't know when
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you're in the club John it is getting
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this is what I want my others want this
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television while I want no part of you
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want i want to be one of these fun guys
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who's opening his garage door remotely
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and I want mine with the matter how a
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yes and I want my phone to go we can we
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can we can do whatever I wanted to do
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where's my phone that's what my phone
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should say where's my phone so I don't
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have I have no access to some of these
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yeah and there and I feel I feel like
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I'm just life is passing me by
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oh my gosh what are we going to college
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photo photo photo fear of missing out
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the College of the millenniums college
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yeah yeah i was sitting I was watching
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people catching pokémon's yeah and
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wonderful thing about people who are
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catching pokemon is that they are very
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nice and very happy to tell you what
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they're having fun they're having fun in
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there and so I you know and I'm a
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curious person who so i say which
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Pokemon are we catching today and they
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say well you know here's some of the
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pokemon's that we are waiting to see
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Spahn and you know they're saying all of
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it while there while they're watching to
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see pokemon to all appearances
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photographing the sidewalk right so
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they're not you know they're kind of got
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busy photographing the sidewalk did what
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they sort of look up they make a little
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bit of eye contact because they're all
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very nice people but then they're back
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to the the the game
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yeah I still don't understand it and I
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and I'm curious about it I don't know
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what minecraft is like I'm I'm so i'll
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explain my minecraft is is explainable
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in very and very cool to try to swing
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I gotta fly I have not and will not play
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hooky man's game but here's what I'll
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give your line huh
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when you catch another EV try that one
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EV yeah but you get another EV are v's
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fairly common thats pokeyman yeah
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there's pokeyman called ed and I think
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there's a lot of those and people you
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gotta catch em all right here with my
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reasons I won't do it but you know III
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can have two minds about this is
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absolutely not for me but I I'm very
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happy that people are having fun with it
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and I'm going to get into the whole
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recruiting outside shut up Kelly having
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your line don't you
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pokemon is that your mom no excuse me
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out no my daughter has you know she
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likes the polka bands but she and she's
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expressed an interest in it but i have
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been mostly nude about it because that's
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not a franchise that I want to get into
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I was not right because our did they
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support David Duke or something like
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what's so bad about pokemon listen
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yeah that stuff I do is tremendous
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everyone says I've been very successful
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know and uh and you know i have to look
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so we know it's just it's just you know
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I don't know she's just she really
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expressed an interest will get into it
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but you know it's my big question why is
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she / downloading 25,000 games where you
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pay extra money to put a cherry on top
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of an ice cream cone to your phone
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why does she not have a room god this is
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not a particular interesting answer i'm
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happy to share with you first of all we
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have something called family sharing
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which means that once one of us has
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gotten for free or bought a nap it's
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accessible to the others and she's using
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one of my devices which is going to get
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this this free game I said sure and so
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point number two we either either x
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games for money or we get free games and
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we we don't do in app purchases like we
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don't we don't buy magic coins and stuff
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we don't buy magic coins now now now I
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mean when she gets to the point where
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she has an allowance that can be a dumb
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thing we argue about but now she wants
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the cooking games are fun you know you
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are you have to cook things you get you
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go on you know make some teriyaki or
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something no part of that is fun it's
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fun for a little kid it's it's it's sort
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of like plan threes remember that
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diabolical game we hate it's not like
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that we like you you know these little
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motions i still play three i played
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three yesterday at my feeling about
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three was i I went through a long period
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where I didn't play threes
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mhm i have not gotten any better I still
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max out at around nine thousand and I
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was like thousands and thousands of
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games and I can't get past like 9,000
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it's very hard to get better and I have
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create an amazing feat they just give
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you seven red ones they give you blue on
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game is true it is trying to fuck with
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what makes it a game instead of a mom
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essential to being a developer I think
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you just need to know how to get on the
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app store up that was that was that was
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those are those are pretty harmless
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minecraft is amazing the things i want
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just is basically imagine like a video
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game version of Legos with unlimited
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legos first rule of Minecraft don't know
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about Minecraft to me
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postgraduate between yeah that's right
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dissertation or whether he's just going
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mother express a lot of apprehension
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not the pokemon itself was bad but
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augmented reality she did not like
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augmented reality and I said well you
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know in a fucking couple years wrong
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maybe it's gonna be the google glass and
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she said haha google glass failed and i
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have this sudden awareness that there
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are many many millions of people who
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think that Google glass failed
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therefore we will never have to deal
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with the idea what we're never going to
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have heads-up displays or there's never
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very on point with this I happen to
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totally agree with you
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yes very people's idea about this stuff
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like so many things because very
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short-sighted based on like what's
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available right now
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yeah right like what failed i'm like
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yeah well because it was because they
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were it was a beta asking and it looked
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dumb like this place with 17 wings fell
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off a cliff why we're gonna bother
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fighting over who would even joke like I
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exactly today look at the airplanes of
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1907 and then will you know let's talk
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airplanes and now we're still using them
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anyway I was saying listen you know life
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is going to be like a mario brothers she
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was like no and I said yeah here's your
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augmented reality you walk out the door
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this now to everybody
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people will do this so you as a company
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here's a little thing that's like if you
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grab the coin you get a free ice cream
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you know catch em all and released in
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coins on your way to the nearest
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mcdonalds where those coins will if you
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catch enough of them will add up to a
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cheeseburger and you know and it's just
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going to be that's going to be
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everywhere unless it and you'll be able
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to obviously turn it off because I'm
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gonna be busy walking around looking at
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your phone my augmented reality is going
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to me all of the places you can access
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Seattle's underground sewer Network
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right all the manhole covers that are
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but these little mcdonald coins are
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gonna be popping up and people are going
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to be saying that everybody's gonna have
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a little lightbulb over their head to
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like elucidating their marriage status
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oh IC acting before I used to be a
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reality is going to be very augmented
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they're not very long
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yeah and this time this mom that i was
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talking to was younger than me but she
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did not want anything to do with it
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that's right my bad i'm talking about
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this a lot lately and it because you
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know i think it's an important thing to
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everyone's talking about it this one
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other programs with other people
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yeah so then that's too well here's I
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mean you're there are several parts to
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this i mean one of the things is that
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harder and harder not to suffer from
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the things that you're going to dismiss
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because you either at first you don't
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understand them they seem silly or they
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seem dangerous and you never bothered to
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learn much more than the thing that they
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showed on the news for two minutes and
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that's that's not any way to grow as a
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person because the stuff that makes a
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thing a thing you may not really
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understand it until you start doing it
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people it wouldn't sound all that
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interesting you can get help to go to a
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concert there's lots of stuff like that
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the other thing is that looks like the
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word curious which you use all the time
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and i never use right and when you say
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heuristics and each time I think that's
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what I'd like to use also hermeneutics
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medics I you know and I think to myself
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I tried as your as you continue to talk
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I kind of try on the word heuristics for
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yeah like sort of the used to tell you
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shortcut like the people wanted really
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lazy shortcut where they go trap I don't
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think about that anymore like chunky
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right there at the car and not for me
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but here's the other thing about parents
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and other ding-a-lings is that you know
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i can tell you that anything
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my kid is a dick about with screens is
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nobody's fault but my own because always
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follow mine one order to do what to do
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who but someone what is that I'm well
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what do you want a while because if I
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decide I kind of a competent nobody's
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fault mine right yeah don't have to 10
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Led Zeppelin's arm that that should have
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look I know that song yeah but it wasn't
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an element was just on just the thing
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just to say that we tend to as we know
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we're being parents we tend to go like
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we know stuff that kids don't know stuff
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experience it's like this that's
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bullshit you know I mean like I guess
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what I'm saying is like if your if your
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kid is a dick with the iphone it's
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because you let them become a dick with
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the iphone it's not the iphones fault
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it's your old I'm a dick with the iphone
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and I wasn't my phone it's incredibly
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hypocritical so we're like okay listen
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we let you watch gilmore girls for six
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hours this morning and now you know
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you're cranky so you don't get a screen
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for a while but mom and I are going to
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sit here and look at our ipads because
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energy because zero your Vaz I i had a
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real problem the other day I I i was in
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a parade a nice and it was a big big big
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parade and and either then and the my
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job in the parade was to ride in the
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back of in 1976 eldorado convertible
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color root beer brown and wave their
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wearing a sash and I thought that this
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would be fun for my daughter also
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because last year when i was running for
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office we were in several parades where
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we walked the length of the parade
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waving at people and waving signs with
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my name on it and so you know she
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started to think that being in parades
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was normal and that was one of the
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things that we did with Daddy right with
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mom I you go to the swimming pool with
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that you go marching parade
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the business Seattle's big parade the
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Seafarer parade is the big one the
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torchlight parade and it's not it's not
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a torchlight parade that ends at a rally
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experience interest whether just a a
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were wrong all wrong
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roll fire department the bagpipe bands
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boy there were I mean you know a lot of
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floats featuring princesses there was
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the apple-blossom princess and there was
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the that was the under the sea princess
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were there there there the Seafair
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pirates in a in a in an enormous ship
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that has a cannon a yeah there's a lot
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going on there was the US Army was the
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US Navy Band anyways so we just sounds
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production we were in we were in this
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Cadillac and and that you know the
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driver the Cadillac was doing the s
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thing that we didn't have any other and
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yeah except he's doing he said he was
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very smooth guy we got this Cadillac
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from a local car museum he knew what he
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forget what horrid car horns were like
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coming into port
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yeah you know haha like totally great
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horn anyway this was our job drive the
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length of the city of two miles an hour
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waving wearing a sash and so I brought
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my little girl and she was totally
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amazing for the entire thing until after
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we've been doing it for four hours and
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there's no end in sight she finally was
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like she just had that experience of
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like okay 100,000 people I've lived a
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hundred thousand people and now a little
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is that where is the end and I'm like
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yeah still little ways to go and she was
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like I now want to hide and she went
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down into the footwell oh poor thing
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which point I was but I became a bad
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father here because we only seem to be
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yeah this wasn't this is intense and and
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and frankly the the part that I became a
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bad father was I was like I did what my
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dad would have done which is I said get
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your ass back up here what are you doing
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we got we got parading to do here don't
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leave daddy up here just waving by
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himself and she was death
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it's making me look that she was down
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there you know with her with her little
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bunny rabbit sucking your thumb and the
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wheel well and I was like god damn it
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people want well you know people pay
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people paid not no money to watch this
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come up here and help daddy huh and so
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then I was up there waving you know
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after happy parade last thing you want
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to see when you go to operators is just
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2 miles and miles of a child being
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admonished well and also yeah that's
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right you can't you can't I can't I
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couldn't actually beyond to make sure
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these 360 can be like Apes you know and
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I kind of was like a up here but where
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she was like no way and I thought you
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this was a I don't think maybe a unique
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parenting problem but certainly there's
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not a lot of role models like I can't
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ok let's say what do you guys do when
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your daughter doesn't want to to fulfill
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the entire parade at five years old so I
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was that you know so yeah I had monitor
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a little bit and then afterwards I was
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sorry but then I was like but also you
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know you don't want to be a quitter but
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also I understand that you're retired
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and that you didn't quite know what you
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were getting into
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yeah but also look daddy's got weird
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things that he had to do sometimes raids
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and other events where he may drag you
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up onstage because he wants you to
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because that just as my dad used to
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leave me sitting in Alaska bars for two
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hours well he did something
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and he and he justified it to himself by
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feeling like it was teaching me how to
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sit in a bar i guess it was teaching me
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how to meet meet adults and keep them
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from stealing me as well there's a lot
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to that I'm not saying I agree with this
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but there was a time when the ability to
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sit quietly in a bar with something that
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was expected to do I mean it'sit's
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something about learning learning
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restraint some control right well except
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you know when he would come back two
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hours later you know I'd be sitting on
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the bar they be feeding me whipped cream
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out of a out of shot glasses it I'd be
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you know I'd be dancing regaling me with
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stories like there was I didn't set the
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mirror Lee and and hope that the big man
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in the wolf skin coats would leave me
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alone I was like is that will skim coat
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did I ever tell you about the time I saw
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wolf would you buy me a shot glass full
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of whipped cream and now a timely
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message about concert against humanity
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cards against humanity is coming out
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typically they've got a giant theater
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and some shit to give away it's August
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in that ATM there's not much else to say
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so I your seats today
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hey it's the second show like this that
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cards has gone and done
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they promised lots of comedy they
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promised lots of fun and if they don't
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sell Baelfire everyone no fire everyone
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like you do your fire to your mom your
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dad they're all fired you get thinks the
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you're still fired
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they're all fire from your at theatre
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step on fire everyone attending jen guy
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the cast of Hamilton all the Queen's
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the buyer to give take your seats and
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kneel before your master
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we hope this show does not become a huge
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goddamn disaster seats are moving
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pretty well but they could move much
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faster by your seat today
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you want to miss this show so get your
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tickets quick because if you miss it
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you'll feel like the biggest black is
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my dad won't be back for a while we
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could probably get one more round of
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whipped cream so I seriously that was my
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that was my gag i would get a shot glass
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i would order a shot glass of whipped
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cream bartenders love it hilarious money
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that's pretty easy drink it's not like a
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mojito right you know and and so then
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I'd be sitting at the bar and I'd be all
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hard-bitten high shot glass in front of
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me today the bar tenants would come back
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and there'd be like another round hit me
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and we'd laugh I'm getting us it's ready
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whip right there shit out of the camp
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yeah oh and then you know it's like it's
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like when you put peanut butter in a
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calm way into a dog
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I you know I'm sitting there trying to
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trying to get the last bit of whipped
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cream on the bottom of the shot glass
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but you know you can't quite get in
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so close laughs all right i would pay i
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would pay six hundred dollars to watch a
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supercut of all the times that I did
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that as a child I'd especially like to
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well you know i'll start dancing no I've
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seen no no i mean i've seen adult genre
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can bust out a dance with very little
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I'm just seeing the the young you the
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mascot of the bar yet with is a high on
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whipped cream do a little jig and enjoy
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that yeah you had that it sounds you
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know sometimes there are aspects of my
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childhood that sound like what like a
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Western where it's all happening in a in
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the in like a saloon but that's actually
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what happened and the way that I had in
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many cases that way I learned to dance
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my first dance instruction came from a
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woman in a Alaska bar where I was
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sitting where I had been deposited and
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she was uh it's not looking i mean i
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don't know i can't say for sure but I
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think now it retro actively that she was
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a working like sure she was probably at
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least a barfly she was certainly that
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but i think she was also issues she was
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like this this is
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tough parlance these days she was she
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was a professional it was alaska right
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so he's a semi-professional yeah
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everybody was wearing a wolf skin coat
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and she was you know she was nicely
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tired and there was some music playing
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and she and I'm sitting there with my
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whipped cream and she said do you want
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yeah and i said i don't know how to
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dance and she said Lt Shadow Dance I'm
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like that was a little bit older now I
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was probably 10 and i don't i didn't i
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didn't say no or I didn't know how to
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say no I don't think I wanted to say no
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and she took me out on the dance floor
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and taught me how to dance huh that's
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kind of my taught me how to dance pretty
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well she gave me like the the top six to
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eight moves and she said listen you
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gotta you know i'm leaving you right now
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but you've got to learn to lead you've
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got to be the you know the expectation
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is that you're going to lead so then she
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had me lead for a while I stepped on
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your toes and she said one of the things
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you can't do this step on the other
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person's toes and when i was ten years
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old so I wasn't you know I was a little
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kid I was big enough that we could we
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could approximate dancing inside it had
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it stuck with me even now when I dance I
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have this you know I there there's this
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little connection this element to that
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at first time I think um I feel like
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most of what I know that here's my hands
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make life hack for this here's what I
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know about dancing i'm not a big dancer
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i'm not a big public answer you rock out
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shell rock out but here's what I know if
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you're not moving your but you're not
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really dancing and this this is that's
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the rookie mistake is a lot of people
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think you can just do a little kooky
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thing with your arms
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yeah that'll work but like to really not
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just to look like you're dancing but to
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feel like you're dancing your ass should
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be emotion gonna move your butt if you
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move your I mean it sounds really
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obvious but if you look at people who
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are dancing awkwardly because they
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haven't found the button moved it all
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right they're moving their needs are
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moving they think it's like you know
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sort of like when you think about your
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people think about come in the front of
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their hair but not
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the back the thing is it's the junk in
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the trunk that's really making the fuck
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I just made that up
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I look at me that up i want yeah that's
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the thing is like if you want to improve
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your dancing you know in your repose at
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well work on moving about a little bit
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well this is one thing that a lot of
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people don't know
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also moving your butt right that's on
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the that's right at the top of the list
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but here's what you dance to you do not
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dance to the guitar you do not dance to
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the vocals you do not even really dance
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to the drums came to the base to the
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base and if you look at the group of
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people dancing and your land you
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actually listen to the music you will
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see that they are the ones that are
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moving correctly are moving to the base
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that's a really good point a lot of that
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I don't want to make this all about the
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dudes right but you know a lot of the
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dudes they're actually they're literally
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playing air guitar sometimes don't do
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that don't do that that's clearly having
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no houkago matata just get in there have
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fun with it but you so basically is what
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you're saying you gotta move your butt
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mm and you know you know them and
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ninety-nine percent of the people are
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completely unconscious of it and I think
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about ninety percent of people in the
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world couldn't pick the base out of of a
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musical composition for the bases the
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part that makes you want to dance
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that's right that's what that's the
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whole job of the base and that's why the
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base is so important and that's why when
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you're when you're starting out playing
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rock music when you're a teenage kid
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you're just like why would i play the
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bass the bass got no the base isn't
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flashy I want to be the flashy guy
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that's like maybe that's why everybody
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wants to be a guitar plant yeah but that
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along the way you realize oh the whole
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thing is the whole thing is just sitting
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on top of the base and without it that I
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mean the bases the thing that is
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motivating the whole whole song and then
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you start watching like what people are
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doing with their bodies like oh my god
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the bases and in control huh
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and the bass players are like and that
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you know and that's why bass players are
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creeps because they know the power
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yeah they're like moving people's butts
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and assistants and galleys you know the
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rest mutants Rasputin's like I'm not I
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don't need you know I don't need to make
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a big well they're kind of not rescue
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teams in that sense but they're like I
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I'm my historical recipes but they play
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by their own rules they play by their
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own rules right they smell like people
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in a wolf skin coat and boots boo-boo
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and that's what you're you know that
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sounds a little sign fealty to think
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about when you watch seinfeld is dancing
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what are you moving your butt to get not
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to Jerry pointing with the thumbs up
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boom I I feel like there's another there
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one other thing about dancing which is
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the the the two and four right not the
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13 m 2 and four you move to the to look
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for right unless you're staring Copelan
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but you know that's the other thing is
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people dance to the beat of his own drum
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yes i know i agree with you and you see
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this again with the sorry why people use
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with the clapping he was with the
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clapping on the one you don't know about
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mhm don't clap on the one unless you
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really know what you're doing I think
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what you know if you're stevie wonder
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you know the here's the thing
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it sounds to me like there's an
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extension course waiting to happen right
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here which is which is midway at
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whatever your you know community college
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or something you should do a course on
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helping people understand what dancing
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isn't how to do it
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things things have been lost they do
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they truly have like the accordion has
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yeah yeah they're very few people that
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learn the accordion now and the end most
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of them are doing it somewhat
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hilariously well and also I think
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speaking as someone who is forced to
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learn accordion I think according to
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something you for someone to learn
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movement there are many people who were
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like hey mom can I got accordion but in
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ninety dollars also just in fairness
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John is also just not as much exposure
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to accordance anymore that we step
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according to everywhere we were allowing
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with accordions in the 90s audience all
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the way down in the 1950s lot of people
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learn the accordion about out of their
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own at avidity who because they said
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this is a great way to entertain the
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parties that's true in 1920 everybody
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played the piano you couldn't go to a
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party in according to be on your chest
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exactly now all that stuff is that has
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been lost a time like tears in rain
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and one thing that has been lost I'll
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tell you as somebody who occasionally
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will be inspired and we'll grab a
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partner and say dance with me and dance
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around they are almost always like
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excited and thrilled like oh my god
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someone standing were dancing
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yes I want to be that I want to do that
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dance here you know what I'm talking
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about like holding one another dancing
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not standing apart from one another and
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making choo-choo arms and she talked
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about grown-up dancing I'm talking about
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like i am going to now dance with you
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and spin you around and we're gonna
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we're going to dance properly but even
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in the course of my own lifetime the
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number of people who know what that
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means has declined
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yeah now so when I was 14 I could I
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could grab ahold of somebody that I
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didn't know you know you wanna dance yes
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and then you are holding them and
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dancing when I was high but I think
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there's a high bar
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I mean like singing I think people used
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to just randomly this could be because i
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enjoy musicals but I feel like people
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used to somewhat more randomly sing and
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dance more people dance now as I hope
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not me where I mean more than an element
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of that but I don't think dancing is
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part of what we do i think singing is so
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much a part of what we do seems to be a
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think people just did they did it
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yes well I'm often and this is the life
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back here a lot of times you'll be
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somewhere like on a cliff or say you
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know in the in the surf or in the forest
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and you think i would like to ask this
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who there's no big band here there's no
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this is not this is not what other
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people would consider a dance
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opportunity to find like EDM in the wild
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but but it well and EDM in the wild is
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one of the best festivals student but it
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is actually an opportunity to dance
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you just have to identify you just have
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to it's like it's like a searching for
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pokemons if you pull out your own
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imaginary augmented reality and you look
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at the cliffside and you say is this an
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opportunity to dance and a little
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monster pops up it goes
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you can actually say would you like to
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dance on the other person will go
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what and then you put your arms around
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them and you sing and dance to your own
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singing like a little bit of a mean you
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know you lost a couple bars of a have
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any big bands on string of pearls you do
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bom bom the time to time to time dat da
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children should be taught that song that
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so they can dance on demand but it to
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protect I'm done and done and dad and if
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you know what dozen of those you can you
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know you can do you don't have the
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jitterbug eating you can do some slow
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you know you can do a slow like begin
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the beguine that that's a lovely thing
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to do in front of a mountain that's
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hey I'm spinning your partner out and
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back in and then a little bit of this
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over here a little bit of this over
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there a little over there and I and you
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are providing the accompaniment and and
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if you know if you know a little bit of
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jazz you can just sort of improvised the
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song I'll do this all the time I don't
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added to that dun dun hadn't but a deck
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down added that added that it's nothing
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it's just it's just no that's totally
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yeah it's just gibberish right Jaz
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gibberish whoohoo
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but you're dancing and what I have found
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in recent years is that is a very
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excited partners or like wow that we're
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really doing this but they don't know
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what they don't know their job right
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there that there's no longer a sense
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like okay you are the one who's a
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singing and be doing this so then see
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you are probably going to lead me
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mhm around you know as soon as you start
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there like they start tugging like wow
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because we lost the we've lost the don't
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know how to be led
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featuring you here it's more like you're
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willow and so you know to lead in
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dancing is not to be the featured player
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yeah but but so all you know that like
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knowledge has as something it is gone
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the casual Friday problem mmm
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nobody just it was it was seen as an
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element of freedom to be able to go to
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work dressed as a as a furnace repair
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person and now know what now in one
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yeah I can have been mission creep and
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i'm personally I have to say I mean I
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know we differ on this I like too much
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casual dresser but I take your point has
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casual Friday to now it's just casual
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casual week and and it has spawned a
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generation of you know these young
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Macklemore haircuts who are really into
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menswear let's call it menswear yeah and
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I mean you know young women have always
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had an opportunity to express themselves
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in their clothes men not so much and you
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have to really make a point of it now
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because you're not forced to by
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profession by professionalism
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but it for a long time i would say
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definitely even through the sixties
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men's fashion was a way of how well sort
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of how well you could fit in by looking
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think you would distinguish yourself by
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actually distinguishing yourself by
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looking different but still fitting in
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you know what i mean i don't know maybe
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that's not a distinction but I feel like
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it is i mean look at photos i was
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looking at some old photos of our of our
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neighborhood there's a site that has
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like all these old photos of muni and
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stuff like that and like the work the
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guys like getting into his workmen's
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truck is wearing a hat like with his
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sleeves rolled up like a plumber and
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he's wearing a hat
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mhm you just you have to do that you
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can't go out without a hat on course not
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or you know if you were working as a
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professional person like white shirts
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yeah you you look at a picture of 50
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people working in an office and they
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were all dressed exactly the same so so
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in a sense you didn't have to make any
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choice at all you just have to know what
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you're gonna wear a dark suit and a
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conservative time
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yeah and you had to have to iron your
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shirt and it had to be laundered and
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your hair had to be combed like my mom
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my plum set at Safeco insurance company
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where she worked in the seventies until
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nineteen seventy-nine when she left the
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you still could not undo the top button
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of your shirt and loosen your tie my
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personal work day even like through
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disco oh no because this was an
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insurance company there's no this wasn't
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your not here to disco and I am I my
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understanding and i'm pretty sure this
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is true that if your boss saw you at
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lunch time sitting at a lunch counter
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with your tie unfastened that that would
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be cause for reprimand food because it's
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you were out in the town having your
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lunch you also were representative
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mhm and that is the kind of thing that
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casual Friday and the casualisation of
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professionalism sought to undo or you
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know it was regarded as perk i work at
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this company where you can loosen your
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tie at lunchtime
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haha we're having fun over here and then
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that has extended to now like hey I work
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at a tech company and i am an engineer
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so I get to wear a diaper to work
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because engineers are the only transfer
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booths and nobody you know nobody can
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mhm because will make their garage doors
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go up and down if they if they push us
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around but you know for me like I I see
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young menswear enthusiasts all the time
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and I and I'm like I appreciate the
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effort but there's also this
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self-conscious kind of peaky blinders
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old-timey this too
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it's AI mean I don't know a lot about it
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but it strikes me that is it does
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approach a costume
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not that that's bad but it's a little
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bit like a costume in some ways also i
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was thinking about this
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at what point will we have come around
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and some really really cutting-edge new
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tech company that everybody wants to
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it's not one of those situations like
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how do we get new engineers oh why don't
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we you know why don't we locate
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ourselves into ET and pay everybody
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million dollars because engineers are so
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hard to find but a thing where it's like
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this is the company everybody wants to
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work at this is the cool guy place this
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is the artwork there because the works
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people will be there because the work is
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interesting the work is interesting
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they're doing something you think is
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important it's pre-ipo oh sure all the
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shit at what point does some twenty
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six-year-old entrepreneur say rather
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than ping-pong tables and endless
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cheetos at in our company workroom we're
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all gonna wear black suits that like
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non-ironic seats
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yeah that's gonna be the dress code
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black suits but like nice black suits
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tailored black suits and choose and ties
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we're gonna dress like people like Don
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Draper wear a dress like Don Draper
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because all these tech companies that I
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go visit now they all have mid-century
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modern furniture you know they all love
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their they're very conscious of
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yeah but then it's like it every single
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person I see is just getting brothers
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you know they all their dress like scott
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simpson game on again getting it
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others and i like how much how when is
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it going to happen because it surely
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will that some really really hot company
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where the where the you know the the
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leading entrepreneurs in the grouper are
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conscious of the fact that they're
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trying to distinguish themselves they
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are a special group and it's going to be
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it's going to be suits at which point
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does that does that catching fire some
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really good point and I think that
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actually people have written in and talk
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to kind of a fair amount about this i
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think i think one of the things is that
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it's for a time it was a different kind
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of way of telegraphing Silicon Valley
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anyway it was a way of telegraphing your
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power was it you know Steve Jobs was not
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gonna show up you know in any monkey
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no not know of a black mock turtleneck
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is no monkey suit
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yeah but you you just gotta deal with
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him because he Steve Jobs and that's how
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he rolls but right there's were an
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article went around last week we're
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ready queue is guide apple has been
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trying to negotiate all their deals with
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the TV places to try and get like
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over-the-top you basically can get it's
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like having imagine having cable except
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you know without having to have cable
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but he's been meeting with people like
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kind of more you know
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san Francisco's kind of west coast more
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than Los Angeles in some ways Los
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Angeles still kind of a business down a
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little bit more like new york and like
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he should happen like gym shoes with no
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socks and apparently it really put off
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the people that he was meeting bet it
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yeah good so I mean I guess I'm saying
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is like I think part of it part of it is
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this like this is ethos in several
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historically i can't stand the last five
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years historically Silicon Valley has
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been about you know the the sort of the
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Mavericks and the casual people in the
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see themselves as being a part of a
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meritocracy where you didn't have our
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key you know that the ideally you're
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there can be known for the quality of
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what you produce right rather than how
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much you Hugh to this company's idea of
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this IBM like idea of looking like you
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know the model worker iqid a real weirdo
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at a company like that and design one
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part of this electronic device that is
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world-changing and you know people
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aren't worried so much about your
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Footwear and well but that's where it
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I don't know if that's where it is now
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but I think that's where it started I
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think that's where it started to but but
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you know that that that becomes a sort
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an arms race with casual wear a pretty
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soon you are you are actually
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demonstrating your power by how much of
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a slob you are how much cheetos dust
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there is on your black sweatshirt yeah
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and then yeah then we're living in a
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world where that we're well the world
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that I've described many many times on
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this program where standards have to
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climb I remember when what the company
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that funded the dot-com that i was at is
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very very well-known silicon valley CC
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and on the rare occasion that the guy
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whose name was in the company came to
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the office he talked about pickles time
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think this nice little you think he just
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come from the gym and on top of that he
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oh yeah such a power move to bring your
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dog in somebody's office
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hey what's up you ain't doing that like
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you going applying for a job and like
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bring your dog with you take your dog
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might take my shoes off
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oh that's my dog Garfunkel regardless of
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their man we're going to get some water
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well I told you right my lady friend who
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is in the San Francisco tech world and
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she's like you know she is a lot she's
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yeah she's nice and she's a lawyer and
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she's on the professional side and I
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first met her she would go to work in a
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hoodie and yoga pants and I'm like this
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seems weird to me this is a large
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company work for hand and she doing but
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it is the other things are innocuous
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she's doing like real work she's not
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she's not sitting around going like I
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wonder if we should change the color of
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the button but she's gotta deal with
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lawsuits and stuff oh yeah and she's
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dealing with our lawyers and talking and
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she's on the Executive Board or whatever
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and she said and I I don't remember if
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we talked about this but she said you
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can you have to dress this way because
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you don't wanna make the engineers
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oh really yeah and I said what does that
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mean and she said well the engineers are
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the most important people and if you are
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walking around like dressed up if they
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feel like that's like you're being fancy
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and trying to show them up or just that
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yeah putting on airs you're putting on
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errors or that you're creating an
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uncomfortable work environment for them
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again so so she said you know we are
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it's you know it's like
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and and I think there's a little bit of
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that we don't have to dress up because
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the meritocracy but also you don't want
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to you don't want to dress up because
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there's there there's really remember
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the remember the twilight zone episode
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where the kid has magic powers and
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everybody in the town is super scared of
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him saying yes the cornfield right
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that's right and super super weirdly and
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his parents to everybody's just
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terrified I was an episode he'll kill
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them and he and but the but the
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appearance of the town is everybody's
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super nice and happy and friendly like
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oh of course why don't we all put
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chocolate sauce on our heads hey great
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he's like it has that feeling right
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where you don't you walk through and the
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engineers are like I don't think that
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your your shoes are creaking too much
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like you should don't you know he'll go
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with the hill you know he or she will
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move to a more more new company don't
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believe you know don't offend them so
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yeah so and I I I encouraged her over
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time to think of herself as a as a as a
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member of the professional community and
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wear shoes that that she doesn't also
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exercise in to work and then left
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fashion advice from well but you know if
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you're dreaming if your man is like
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clued in and that you know her whole
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career she's been intact so there's
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never she's never had a even if she's
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around female mentor that that was like
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oh I like the way you dress everybody's
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just wearing fleece please PLEASE from
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uh-huh and that's true you know that's
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that that's true in seattle to in the
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sense that the billionaire's here dress
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like like they're renting kayaks like
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the guy behind the counter the kayak
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alright and so there is no dress code in
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the nicest restaurant in Seattle you
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could never say have a blazer because
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that because the bend of some
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billionaire will sweep in right and you
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know with his pet seal they had a garden
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or herb and forget about my kids of
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water and some fish are fucking bitch
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for Garfunkel my seal and and so yeah
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I've had people come visit from the
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Midwest from back east and they're like
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oh we're you know we're going to dinner
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should i put on something else and Emily
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like in New York City you just you just
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don't go out like that
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no no you don't i mean you know it's
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you're gonna go out like that
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yeah I mean it's you really don't know
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III ii don't know i don't find it like
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kind of like overbearing but I feel like
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it's definitely a thing that you know
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music it's not trying to be it's not
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America great again in order to
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turning into a good song with a chorus
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platitudes are just easy to sing and the
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platitudes themselves are hard to
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freedoms right so third fourth time
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I was just singing it or even even that
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patriotic songs have something that you
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country but also then that and that we
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they get the tone of it a little bit
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wrong because the total dot two-tone of
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Donald Trump the reason people like
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Donald Trump is because they articulate
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culture or rush limbaugh at a different
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feeling threatened is what comes through
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nothing is getting better and I feel
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really threatened and I feel sad because
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the things that used to be a tradition
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understood have gone away and now i feel
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emotion but we've all had that emotion
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not even that far off of a song about
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your ex-girlfriend but to get the tone
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right you can't just be angry
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it can't just be jingoistic it has to be
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about how something it's got to be
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almost like a ballad we're like
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something precious is going away it
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might be too late to say that but we
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follow what I'm saying that I mean I
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think people focused so heavily on all
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they call it racism they call it a call
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you think that's what Donald Trump says
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that's not what all these people that
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don't get that right we're gonna fuck
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this up hard they feel under threat
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legitimately are there's a there's quite
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a bit of culture on the internet now
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their problems you know you're not
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allowed to present your gonna want to
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participate in this let alone be mad
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yeah right i mean you just told me a
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within our culture right that's a that's
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obviously what I said but no don't take
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consider that was for other women let's
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that we say in good humour to one
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cultural apertures and somebody out in
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the world is just like what I can't i'm
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that difficult to understand i'm not
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saying it's right but I don't think it's
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understand and if you don't use to try
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to understand it you're gonna lose lose
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lose this race particularly because the
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diversity that we are trumpeting in our
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diversity right i mean we are also
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struggling even in the evenin the hotbed
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who have like intellectual pursuit
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intellectual and practical pursuit of a
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world devoid of of discrimination
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theoretical level we're pushing pushing
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pushing to expand the franchise and to
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industry and a lot of entertainment we
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late nineties that became their
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unintentional benchmark for what music
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sales should be and when that so that
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of history that right at the time at cds
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music like there had been with cds and
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for 20 years and when it went away in
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two years maybe they were totally blown
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mhm what I worry all the time and I
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most normal cities the early seventies
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late sixties if you think living in
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Detroit and sixties was the benchmark
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City you have the wrong idea you had a
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lucky break for a while
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uh-huh uh-huh I worry about twitter
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twitter that the company well-known I
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don't care about Twitter the company but
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we have invested so much of our lives on
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Twitter and the benchmark and when a lot
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of us are still are still a back in
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2010-2011 and what and we ever we've
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been sounding the death knell for this
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this cultural marketplace sense 2011 but
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it's still there
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I still go there multiple times a day
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and I still put in some ways my best
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thoughts there or at least you know or
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at least I am trying their I'm within
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twitter i'm trying and have been now for
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years like we're coming up on what not
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yep you know 10 years coming up you know
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and so you think about how long
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twitter has been very central both to my
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news gathering my
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it's too it's still an elongation
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socializing unwinding making friends
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yeah at the very very game and and so
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each one of these new social media
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incursions snapping the latest i like it
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threatens my club and I I'm very afraid
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with each decline in the quality of
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Twitter and each and we've just
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weathered i think a period where it was
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just it was it had become so toxic there
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yeah that but we can't we all stayed
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there are a lot of a lot of the people
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that I'm that make up my world are still
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there and still Sweden we met each other
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and I and some have dropped away
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I don't I don't I don't see the colon is
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Hodgman is much less there but i'm still
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treat themselves sweetened and I'm very
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much in his Instagram though you're not
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putting out as many words as he is 2 for
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sure that's that's true that's true my
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tweets are not as good and you know I
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always hated people that tweeted links
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to their tumblr i want to go to your
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tumblr but now i'm out there tweeting
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links to my Instagram and it's not a
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positive sign that
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yeah but your description mean that goes
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well I i have to seem sensitive but I
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mean we have to say that I feel like I
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have to say yeah there are a lot of
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people who just left as they had to
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because they got chased off of twitter
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us into more privileged position sitting
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here who can say like wow sometimes they
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really feel like leaving here but will
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face anything like what some other
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people face like for us it's like oh my
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god this is so boring or this got mean
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if I look in this area but we don't get
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the same kind of treatment that a lot of
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people get well it's true but we also
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tweet within the contact with in a
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modern context where it isn't just a
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question of being being actually
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sensitive to other people and actually
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like actually changing ourselves in a
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positive way where we understand that
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there's responsibility to broadcast
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but also just fear of tweeting something
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that absolutely makes sense but what if
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it is potentially misunderstood by the
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two percent of people that are looking
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for a problem you know it's just not
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worth the effort
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well if you know anything about you
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there i was a time when I was much more
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confident for a variety of reasons in
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trusting that whatever I said would be
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understood in a certain tone in a
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certain context by people who are
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familiar with certain references and so
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there was a time when I would be a
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little bit more ambitious about what I
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was doing but I do feel and i'm not
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saying this is always bad but I out one
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thing definitely has changes i'm trying
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to be more sensitive to not saying
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things that are hurtful without knowing
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i'm doing it and like you know I don't
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want to be hurtful
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I don't want to be unkind to people and
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that's just a personal change that I
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hope is reflected on Twitter for to
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specific people in particular but you
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just can no longer trust that people are
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going to understand what you meant to
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say and who you were saying it to right
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unintentionally or in usually
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unintentionally like there are such
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ramifications of that now
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yeah and it all has to do is go one
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iteration out from what you consider
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your family and it and you know its
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broadcast actually pretty soon it's a
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lot of guys in suits and ties in their
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oh here they come here then something
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dies a lot of guys with the American
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flags in their avatar
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I don't know I get the most trouble like
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I died 25 people to show me differently
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but I get the most trouble i get is from
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guys whose pictures did then with a girl
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presumably or god bless you if you have
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that is your photo but a lot of people
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within a certain type the thai people
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causing problems for me
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interesting i can i get a lot of like
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well no actually Bernie Sanders is a
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sellout from this guy's I see I see what
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I I there's there is absolutely a an
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element of people swinging on a vine
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insulting me and then when i say goodbye
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they go oh well I guess you're you know
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I guess you're not interested in a in a
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in a debate and I go no I'm not
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and they say why are you publishing why
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are you broadcasting why why why why are
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you publish it why are you going into
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the public sphere right if you're not
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prepared to deal with every single
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monkey that that comes at you
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it's like look man I'm not coming to
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your Twitter feed and talk to you about
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uh-huh this isn't this isn't the this is
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not a public service right i am not
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obligated to you this is my little this
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is my place and it made it to you and
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now you've really replied and goodbye
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fuck you just because you figured out
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how the door works doesn't mean you get
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to come and sit on my couch it
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yeah but but i don't know but i can't
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see the future either and I know
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everyone's well I don't mind a little
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shit on my couch but uh huh
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but but looking five years from now and
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try to imagine what my relationship is
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to this new public world i was trying to
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date was on the other day and he said
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his new goal for himself is for the next
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five years to release an album every
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January 22nd wow and i was like it was
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very inspiring to me Dave works very
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what's the significance of that date I
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don't believe there is one or least he
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didn't communicate that there was one
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and that would be one of the things he
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would have communicated I think he just
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said it arbitrarily but you know looking
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ahead five years ambitious to the idea
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that he will have released five records
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it bitches too ambitious say you're
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going to do one advantage to say you can
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do more than one but it's really
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ambitious to put yourself on that
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particular unerring schedule that's a
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lot of what to do
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it's a lot to do it and it feels like it
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feels like k an act against vanity in
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the sense that if that records got if
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it's coming out january twenty second
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that means you have to be done with it
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august twenty second because it takes
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that long right factor stuff and so if
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you have to be done with 10 songs by
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August 22nd you have to not be vain
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about your song so you cannot be
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Precious about that you have to just be
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like this song is done moving on
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yeah it's like you're making burgers and
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like you're not going to be judged on
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the one great burger you made this year
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you're not gonna have a business if you
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don't keep percent and that that seems
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that seems great to me and and like
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crazy but like crazy in a great way but
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thinking about how five years ago I
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would have tried to promote a new album
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fight had 15 years ago yeah and think
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about how i would try to promote it now
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I cannot imagine how I'm going to try
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and promote it five years from now
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particularly if i make if I make one
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year which I almost certainly will not
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but but even now five years ago I would
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have used Twitter a certain way now it's
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sort of like every single day i log on
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and my friends are trying to promote
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nobody's listening what is what how and
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Emma are we going to retire like are we
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at the age now we're going to require
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going to gradually recede from that
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scene and partly I think it's that's why
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I signed up for snapchat today because
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I'm not quite ready to to be the last be
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over on twitter with the molds and not
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be not be inexplicably on snapchat with
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that with the with the news sure
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mhm um but i don't know how many more of
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those progressions i'll be able to make
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just because the because probably the
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next one will require a knowledge of
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references that that will exclude that
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was the one your daughter will be on ya
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and there or maybe not her but there
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will be that interesting item from where
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it's still be on it sooner than you
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think maybe so if you know if she can if
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she can climb her way out of my of the
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padded room in the basement where she
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daddy has perfect
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