Roderick on the Line

Ep. 210: "Parents and Other Dingalings"


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  Lowe aye jaan hyper blue my job how's it [TS]

  going good together [TS]

  it's early is really it's early you're [TS]

  on time today man [TS]

  yeah well yeah turn clocked n just like [TS]

  every just like every time [TS]

  right on right on the button yeah [TS]

  buttons yeah hi I one of those nights [TS]

  last night were just could not stay [TS]

  asleep [TS]

  that's the worst a dryad some kind of [TS]

  had some kind of dream that there was a [TS]

  spider i woke up and i had to move on my [TS]

  pillows around [TS]

  no no and then I was like I can't go [TS]

  back to sleep there's a spider in my [TS]

  pillows course there wasn't [TS]

  oh I mean not be right not per se [TS]

  you're right but the dream that I had [TS]

  about the spider was a dream not [TS]

  reflective the number spiders that were [TS]

  in my pillows and then I i I'm doing [TS]

  admin on now you got up and get admin [TS]

  right about three or 330 the morning I [TS]

  was like you know what it's about time I [TS]

  joined snapchat oh good for you that you [TS]

  can win as the light comes with the [TS]

  ghost I have well you know I joined it [TS]

  and I went through you know I went [TS]

  through the rigmarole and then I got in [TS]

  there and I was like what I'm going to [TS]

  start snapchatting right now I'm not [TS]

  going to choose my mama choose my avatar [TS]

  right now four o'clock in the morning [TS]

  and you're crazy if I ask I've got some [TS]

  sense and so yeah I woke up this morning [TS]

  some congratulations from people about [TS]

  my having joint snapchat which felt good [TS]

  that felt good little bit @midnight [TS]

  street just keep lines right just just [TS]

  keeping the lines right and I I what [TS]

  else do they do hope [TS]

  oh I or haha i organized my apps on your [TS]

  phone [TS]

  yeah I gotta love doing that got rid of [TS]

  some I move them around holders folders [TS]

  folders I didn't you know I folder a few [TS]

  let's be honest [TS]

  yeah but you know I was more like this [TS]

  is the literary page of the apps and [TS]

  this one is the banking page you know [TS]

  like that [TS]

  this one is the one of all the of all [TS]

  the Astronomy ones me it's like [TS]

  as in your library yeah that's right so [TS]

  i did some of that feeling doesn't also [TS]

  feel good to get rid of one's here's my [TS]

  test if i'm not sure what this does [TS]

  i isolated the Sun is a positive ago I [TS]

  don't really remember what this does [TS]

  yeah well I went through a phase where I [TS]

  really believed yeah yeah [TS]

  do you have one of those five-year [TS]

  Diaries I'm unfamiliar with him but I [TS]

  don't maintain one [TS]

  yeah I've all you know for the last five [TS]

  years I've had a five-year diary sitting [TS]

  on top of bookshelf read more every [TS]

  morning I look at remember tomorrow is [TS]

  the day I'm gonna start keeping a [TS]

  five-year diary wouldn't that be a great [TS]

  thing to have any great thing to have [TS]

  wouldn't that be great to look back and [TS]

  say I kept that diary for five years and [TS]

  here it is a record for everyone haven't [TS]

  been doing it if I had one for the last [TS]

  five years boy what a resource it would [TS]

  be yeah yeah yeah I love for phor like I [TS]

  just where your head was on a given day [TS]

  yeah you know what my my mom and dad [TS]

  kept check registers oh yeah sure but in [TS]

  between that in your phonebook you know [TS]

  your phone address book em does remove [TS]

  those are real documents in the house [TS]

  yeah I've got check registers from my [TS]

  folks and back into the seventies and [TS]

  you can just flip through it's like oh [TS]

  well here's that here is the actual [TS]

  entry for the for the check that paid [TS]

  for the first piano lesson [TS]

  Wow and it happened on this day you know [TS]

  it's like really heavy particularly we [TS]

  know what my folks were like you know [TS]

  what they were kind of fighting for [TS]

  custody for a while I mean it's very [TS]

  interesting to see like how much time [TS]

  actually spent with them what we were [TS]

  doing so five-year you know five your [TS]

  diary to have all this stuff like today [TS]

  we went to the zoo yesterday we went to [TS]

  the zoo go to the zoo every day our [TS]

  lives are totally on changing from day [TS]

  to day but it's fun to deal with like [TS]

  say quicken exactly [TS]

  yeah exactly and so so there was a there [TS]

  was a little brief period there where I [TS]

  downloaded a couple of apps that were [TS]

  like take a picture of yourself everyday [TS]

  sure it was Adam Lanza gore the got me [TS]

  thinking about it because he did some [TS]

  he's insane face channel [TS]

  was a cult I don't know some he's got 10 [TS]

  million apps [TS]

  uh-huh i was one about the animals [TS]

  before I remember that easy take a [TS]

  picture and then you can make that into [TS]

  like an animation that shows your aging [TS]

  yeah right [TS]

  yes he was sitting on a park bench sadly [TS]

  eating a sandwich yeah but he took a [TS]

  picture of himself each time here i am [TS]

  sort of you know I'm I mean Adam I'm the [TS]

  lovable sandwich eating guy that that [TS]

  and now look at me look at me for a [TS]

  whole year sad sandwich eating guy every [TS]

  day I wanted to be that so I downloaded [TS]

  some of these i took some pictures of [TS]

  myself every day for like two weeks six [TS]

  days and then I forgot to keep doing it [TS]

  and so I deleted all those I'm trying to [TS]

  there's a ringtone i really want [TS]

  I've never wanted a ringtone before the [TS]

  acapella one I could tell when I really [TS]

  want this will be more than happy to [TS]

  help you with this i have an appt made [TS]

  by my friend fucking fascist where you [TS]

  just you take the take the fall you drop [TS]

  it on their transition ringtown easy [TS]

  peasy lemon squeezy [TS]

  but i wanna i want to edit it oh yeah [TS]

  you know I don't want you also has an [TS]

  app for that coefficient love this I [TS]

  love that there's a map for no we [TS]

  haven't done super tech support in [TS]

  awhile [TS]

  no that's true I you know there's a lot [TS]

  of things so I want this I want this [TS]

  thing i downloaded two apps and I spent [TS]

  I swear to you two hours in itunes just [TS]

  trying to figure out how to work it now [TS]

  yeah i think is not a good place to [TS]

  start anything every time you know used [TS]

  to be your itunes five choices you go i [TS]

  might get a little bit like a dream [TS]

  because you're pretty sure it's like oh [TS]

  it was my music collection but it wasn't [TS]

  and you were there but you weren't and [TS]

  my rents demos with not there and they [TS]

  should have been [TS]

  yeah and meanwhile every time i would [TS]

  try to get a push the button i'd get [TS]

  into something like this is where I want [TS]

  to be in my I try to back out of it [TS]

  good luck tonight have been kind of [TS]

  backed out of it had to back all the way [TS]

  to Paraguay and I'm sitting around i [TS]

  don't speak spanish it's like what how [TS]

  to make it to Paraguay was way no not [TS]

  explain oh so I stopped doing that is [TS]

  don't have the ringtone well i'll be [TS]

  happy to help you with that I woke up [TS]

  this morning Merlin to and I had an idea [TS]

  that one day I would wake up to this [TS]

  acapella wonderful [TS]

  acapella music still well there's a lot [TS]

  in there and you have to tell you you're [TS]

  getting into here is a very John [TS]

  Roderick topic i think really does not [TS]

  run well just because like for myself [TS]

  like at all [TS]

  you know I'm not really do anything I [TS]

  don't have that much stuff to do but sit [TS]

  there and get just get started a little [TS]

  bit with the with manscaping my apps and [TS]

  then you know 45 minutes goes by the [TS]

  first of all all the games that my [TS]

  daughter has downloaded are now pushing [TS]

  everything way off the screen just have [TS]

  pages and pages of games about cooking [TS]

  and so I just dropped one on the other [TS]

  makes a folder called games and then I [TS]

  drop drop drop drop then I couldn't fix [TS]

  a photocall games job gonna drop drop [TS]

  drop drop drop drop drop drop it all [TS]

  right in there but no but I think [TS]

  there's something I wish Apple would [TS]

  help us a little bit with that I mean I [TS]

  kind of feel like there's two things one [TS]

  giant wish and a small wish the giant [TS]

  wishes i wish you would really really [TS]

  kind it does this with that little [TS]

  screen to the last but I would really [TS]

  realize hey dingaling you know you got [TS]

  200 apps on there but like here's the [TS]

  six you use constantly and here is the [TS]

  30 you've used in the last month and [TS]

  automatically you know move dumb stuff [TS]

  away i don't drive some people crazy but [TS]

  yeah i would i would like that because I [TS]

  guess I get sick of moving the stuff [TS]

  from but it's very i find it very [TS]

  rewarding try to find a recent ringtone [TS]

  I've got oh I'm not familiar with the [TS]

  with the work of the the comedian Patton [TS]

  Oswalt yes but there's something that I [TS]

  yell at Mike at several times a day [TS]

  it's not one of his routine so I made [TS]

  that into my ringtone here we go of you [TS]

  doing [TS]

  no format just got a problem let's see [TS]

  here what are you doing huh [TS]

  so I like yelled at my cats are all that [TS]

  time I tell her she's a hideous monster [TS]

  and when she moves from one room to [TS]

  another I say what are you doing [TS]

  see this is what I want I want our full [TS]

  of fun [TS]

  yes I wanted to be full of me and [TS]

  Johnny's are your device's you should be [TS]

  having fun with this [TS]

  you should get you should get turned [TS]

  crunk and you should get on fleek I [TS]

  should yes I should these are some of my [TS]

  squad goals [TS]

  yes squad pound sign squad goals i [TS]

  should have all my devices should [TS]

  represent the inner me [TS]

  oh god yes write me when I'm fucked up [TS]

  that's the real me elbow you kidding me [TS]

  huh and i want it i don't know when [TS]

  you're in the club John it is getting [TS]

  hot in here [TS]

  this is what I want my others want this [TS]

  television while I want no part of you [TS]

  want i want to be one of these fun guys [TS]

  who's opening his garage door remotely [TS]

  and I want mine with the matter how a [TS]

  device [TS]

  yes and I want my phone to go we can we [TS]

  can we can do whatever I wanted to do [TS]

  where's my phone that's what my phone [TS]

  should say where's my phone so I don't [TS]

  have I have no access to some of these [TS]

  worlds [TS]

  yeah and there and I feel I feel like [TS]

  I'm just life is passing me by [TS]

  oh my gosh what are we going to college [TS]

  photo photo photo fear of missing out [TS]

  the College of the millenniums college [TS]

  yeah yeah i was sitting I was watching [TS]

  people catching pok√©mon's yeah and [TS]

  wonderful thing about people who are [TS]

  catching pokemon is that they are very [TS]

  nice and very happy to tell you what [TS]

  they're having fun they're having fun in [TS]

  there and so I you know and I'm a [TS]

  curious person who so i say which [TS]

  Pokemon are we catching today and they [TS]

  say well you know here's some of the [TS]

  pokemon's that we are waiting to see [TS]

  Spahn and you know they're saying all of [TS]

  it while there while they're watching to [TS]

  see pokemon to all appearances [TS]

  photographing the sidewalk right so [TS]

  they're not you know they're kind of got [TS]

  busy photographing the sidewalk did what [TS]

  they sort of look up they make a little [TS]

  bit of eye contact because they're all [TS]

  very nice people but then they're back [TS]

  to the the the game [TS]

  yeah I still don't understand it and I [TS]

  and I'm curious about it I don't know [TS]

  what minecraft is like I'm I'm so i'll [TS]

  explain my minecraft is is explainable [TS]

  in very and very cool to try to swing [TS]

  the tide [TS]

  I gotta fly I have not and will not play [TS]

  hooky man's game but here's what I'll [TS]

  give your line huh [TS]

  when you catch another EV try that one [TS]

  EV yeah but you get another EV are v's [TS]

  fairly common thats pokeyman yeah [TS]

  there's pokeyman called ed and I think [TS]

  there's a lot of those and people you [TS]

  gotta catch em all right here with my [TS]

  reasons I won't do it but you know III [TS]

  can have two minds about this is [TS]

  absolutely not for me but I I'm very [TS]

  happy that people are having fun with it [TS]

  and I'm going to get into the whole [TS]

  recruiting outside shut up Kelly having [TS]

  your line don't you [TS]

  pokemon is that your mom no excuse me [TS]

  out no my daughter has you know she [TS]

  likes the polka bands but she and she's [TS]

  expressed an interest in it but i have [TS]

  been mostly nude about it because that's [TS]

  not a franchise that I want to get into [TS]

  I was not right because our did they [TS]

  support David Duke or something like [TS]

  what's so bad about pokemon listen [TS]

  people love me [TS]

  yeah that stuff I do is tremendous [TS]

  everyone says I've been very successful [TS]

  know and uh and you know i have to look [TS]

  into that [TS]

  so we know it's just it's just you know [TS]

  I don't know she's just she really [TS]

  expressed an interest will get into it [TS]

  but you know it's my big question why is [TS]

  she / downloading 25,000 games where you [TS]

  pay extra money to put a cherry on top [TS]

  of an ice cream cone to your phone [TS]

  why does she not have a room god this is [TS]

  not a particular interesting answer i'm [TS]

  happy to share with you first of all we [TS]

  have something called family sharing [TS]

  which means that once one of us has [TS]

  gotten for free or bought a nap it's [TS]

  accessible to the others and she's using [TS]

  one of my devices which is going to get [TS]

  this this free game I said sure and so [TS]

  point number two we either either x [TS]

  games for money or we get free games and [TS]

  we we don't do in app purchases like we [TS]

  don't we don't buy magic coins and stuff [TS]

  we don't buy magic coins now now now I [TS]

  mean when she gets to the point where [TS]

  she has an allowance that can be a dumb [TS]

  thing we argue about but now she wants [TS]

  the cooking games are fun you know you [TS]

  are you have to cook things you get you [TS]

  go on you know make some teriyaki or [TS]

  something no part of that is fun it's [TS]

  fun for a little kid it's it's it's sort [TS]

  of like plan threes remember that [TS]

  diabolical game we hate it's not like [TS]

  that we like you you know these little [TS]

  motions i still play three i played [TS]

  three yesterday at my feeling about [TS]

  three was i I went through a long period [TS]

  where I didn't play threes [TS]

  mhm i have not gotten any better I still [TS]

  max out at around nine thousand and I [TS]

  was like thousands and thousands of [TS]

  games and I can't get past like 9,000 [TS]

  it's very hard to get better and I have [TS]

  this weird sense that I used to be [TS]

  better at it than I am I don't do you [TS]

  remember we used to talk about threes on [TS]

  our program in the early days and i [TS]

  remember having some high score you have [TS]

  you your score was much how you're [TS]

  definitely in the in the five digits I [TS]

  think you were in the high five digits [TS]

  well I i remember being able to you know [TS]

  to to accomplish amazing feats with in [TS]

  threes and now i can no longer [TS]

  accomplish amazing feats it feels like [TS]

  Three's has been feels like the the [TS]

  algorithm has changed we have to change [TS]

  the algorithm really read the encryption [TS]

  I feel like they rewrote the encryption [TS]

  and you know every time you're about to [TS]

  create an amazing feat they just give [TS]

  you seven red ones they give you blue on [TS]

  the wrong side and you're like were when [TS]

  you're dead [TS]

  Asher we were we visited with the [TS]

  developer that came and he told us that [TS]

  basically everything we think about that [TS]

  game is true it is trying to fuck with [TS]

  you on purpose that's why I guess that's [TS]

  what makes it a game instead of a mom [TS]

  yeah yeah he seem to not understand his [TS]

  own game [TS]

  yeah or how it worked yeah I'm that's [TS]

  essential to being a developer I think [TS]

  you just need to know how to get on the [TS]

  app store up that was that was that was [TS]

  a fun time didn't know I mean you know [TS]

  you go through this at some point when [TS]

  you when you give up on the things that [TS]

  you're good about right now and you know [TS]

  your kid will want to do things with [TS]

  with games and stuff like that and and [TS]

  those are those are pretty harmless [TS]

  minecraft is amazing the things i want [TS]

  to talk about Minecraft it's basically [TS]

  just is basically imagine like a video [TS]

  game version of Legos with unlimited [TS]

  legos first rule of Minecraft don't know [TS]

  about Minecraft to me [TS]

  mmm me all along hmm i was in her house [TS]

  yesterday and there was a teen there who [TS]

  nobody was is preteen but a very [TS]

  advanced preteen he was like some [TS]

  postgraduate between yeah that's right [TS]

  he's right he's right there between he [TS]

  has to decide whether he's gonna weather [TS]

  is really going to go and do a [TS]

  dissertation or whether he's just going [TS]

  to become a carpeted tough time for kid [TS]

  but he was blues pokemon meaning and his [TS]

  mother express a lot of apprehension [TS]

  about Pokemon [TS]

  not the pokemon itself was bad but [TS]

  augmented reality she did not like [TS]

  augmented reality and I said well you [TS]

  know in a fucking couple years wrong [TS]

  maybe it's gonna be the google glass and [TS]

  she said haha google glass failed and i [TS]

  have this sudden awareness that there [TS]

  are many many millions of people who [TS]

  think that Google glass failed [TS]

  therefore we will never have to deal [TS]

  with the idea what we're never going to [TS]

  have heads-up displays or there's never [TS]

  going to be an experience very you're [TS]

  very on point with this I happen to [TS]

  totally agree with you [TS]

  yes very people's idea about this stuff [TS]

  like so many things because very [TS]

  short-sighted based on like what's [TS]

  available right now [TS]

  yeah right like what failed i'm like [TS]

  yeah well because it was because they [TS]

  were it was a beta asking and it looked [TS]

  dumb like this place with 17 wings fell [TS]

  off a cliff why we're gonna bother [TS]

  fighting over who would even joke like I [TS]

  said it's all set up and playing piano [TS]

  music [TS]

  exactly today look at the airplanes of [TS]

  1907 and then will you know let's talk [TS]

  to the airplanes of 1925 you know there [TS]

  were there were a lot of hilarious [TS]

  airplanes and now we're still using them [TS]

  anyway I was saying listen you know life [TS]

  is going to be like a mario brothers she [TS]

  was like no and I said yeah here's your [TS]

  augmented reality you walk out the door [TS]

  and pokemon is it is is is introducing [TS]

  this now to everybody [TS]

  people will do this so you as a company [TS]

  can do it too [TS]

  you're walking down the street and here [TS]

  here's a little thing that's like if you [TS]

  grab the coin you get a free ice cream [TS]

  climate Donald's bling [TS]

  no that's augmentation already like whoa [TS]

  you know catch em all and released in [TS]

  here running down the street catching [TS]

  coins on your way to the nearest [TS]

  mcdonalds where those coins will if you [TS]

  catch enough of them will add up to a [TS]

  cheeseburger and you know and it's just [TS]

  going to be that's going to be [TS]

  everywhere unless it and you'll be able [TS]

  to obviously turn it off because I'm [TS]

  gonna be busy walking around looking at [TS]

  your phone my augmented reality is going [TS]

  to me all of the places you can access [TS]

  Seattle's underground sewer Network [TS]

  right all the manhole covers that are [TS]

  unlocked [TS]

  but these little mcdonald coins are [TS]

  gonna be popping up and people are going [TS]

  to be saying that everybody's gonna have [TS]

  a little lightbulb over their head to [TS]

  like elucidating their marriage status [TS]

  oh IC acting before I used to be a [TS]

  reality is going to be very augmented [TS]

  they're not very long [TS]

  yeah and this time this mom that i was [TS]

  talking to was younger than me but she [TS]

  did not want anything to do with it [TS]

  yeah i mean hi [TS]

  that's right my bad i'm talking about [TS]

  this a lot lately and it because you [TS]

  know i think it's an important thing to [TS]

  everyone's talking about it this one [TS]

  other programs with other people [TS]

  yeah so then that's too well here's I [TS]

  mean you're there are several parts to [TS]

  this i mean one of the things is that [TS]

  what I think as you get older it's [TS]

  harder and harder not to suffer from [TS]

  which is to develop these heuristics for [TS]

  the things that you're going to dismiss [TS]

  because you either at first you don't [TS]

  understand them they seem silly or they [TS]

  seem dangerous and you never bothered to [TS]

  learn much more than the thing that they [TS]

  showed on the news for two minutes and [TS]

  that's that's not any way to grow as a [TS]

  person because the stuff that makes a [TS]

  thing a thing you may not really [TS]

  understand it until you start doing it [TS]

  like if you describe rock music to [TS]

  people it wouldn't sound all that [TS]

  interesting you can get help to go to a [TS]

  concert there's lots of stuff like that [TS]

  the other thing is that looks like the [TS]

  word curious which you use all the time [TS]

  and i never use right and when you say [TS]

  heuristics and each time I think that's [TS]

  what I'd like to use also hermeneutics [TS]

  of extra using that more hermeneutics [TS]

  medics I you know and I think to myself [TS]

  I tried as your as you continue to talk [TS]

  I kind of try on the word heuristics for [TS]

  myself [TS]

  yeah like sort of the used to tell you [TS]

  but instead i say increasingly lazy [TS]

  shortcut like the people wanted really [TS]

  lazy shortcut where they go trap I don't [TS]

  think about that anymore like chunky [TS]

  right there at the car and not for me [TS]

  but here's the other thing about parents [TS]

  and other ding-a-lings is that you know [TS]

  i can tell you that anything [TS]

  my kid is a dick about with screens is [TS]

  nobody's fault but my own because always [TS]

  follow mine one order to do what to do [TS]

  who but someone what is that I'm well [TS]

  aware [TS]

  what do you want a while because if I [TS]

  decide I kind of a competent nobody's [TS]

  fault mine right yeah don't have to 10 [TS]

  it's a really great [TS]

  Led Zeppelin's arm that that should have [TS]

  been on a album [TS]

  look I know that song yeah but it wasn't [TS]

  an element was just on just the thing [TS]

  just to say that we tend to as we know [TS]

  we're being parents we tend to go like [TS]

  we know stuff that kids don't know stuff [TS]

  and so they are little little paws into [TS]

  which we pour wisdom and information and [TS]

  experience it's like this that's [TS]

  bullshit you know I mean like I guess [TS]

  what I'm saying is like if your if your [TS]

  kid is a dick with the iphone it's [TS]

  because you let them become a dick with [TS]

  the iphone it's not the iphones fault [TS]

  it's your old I'm a dick with the iphone [TS]

  and I wasn't my phone it's incredibly [TS]

  hypocritical so we're like okay listen [TS]

  we let you watch gilmore girls for six [TS]

  hours this morning and now you know [TS]

  you're cranky so you don't get a screen [TS]

  for a while but mom and I are going to [TS]

  sit here and look at our ipads because [TS]

  energy because zero your Vaz I i had a [TS]

  real problem the other day I I i was in [TS]

  a parade a nice and it was a big big big [TS]

  parade and and either then and the my [TS]

  job in the parade was to ride in the [TS]

  back of in 1976 eldorado convertible [TS]

  color root beer brown and wave their [TS]

  wearing a sash and I thought that this [TS]

  would be fun for my daughter also [TS]

  because last year when i was running for [TS]

  office we were in several parades where [TS]

  we walked the length of the parade [TS]

  waving at people and waving signs with [TS]

  my name on it and so you know she [TS]

  started to think that being in parades [TS]

  was normal and that was one of the [TS]

  things that we did with Daddy right with [TS]

  mom I you go to the swimming pool with [TS]

  that you go marching parade [TS]

  and wave to 50,000 people and so this is [TS]

  the business Seattle's big parade the [TS]

  Seafarer parade is the big one the [TS]

  torchlight parade and it's not it's not [TS]

  a torchlight parade that ends at a rally [TS]

  or there's no crystal knocked like [TS]

  experience interest whether just a a [TS]

  healthy number of two bizarre weather [TS]

  like a lot of to be a lot of tubes there [TS]

  were wrong all wrong [TS]

  roll fire department the bagpipe bands [TS]

  boy there were I mean you know a lot of [TS]

  floats featuring princesses there was [TS]

  the apple-blossom princess and there was [TS]

  the that was the under the sea princess [TS]

  and there was that all the princesses [TS]

  were there there there the Seafair [TS]

  pirates in a in a in an enormous ship [TS]

  that has a cannon a yeah there's a lot [TS]

  going on there was the US Army was the [TS]

  US Navy Band anyways so we just sounds [TS]

  like a pretty big production the big [TS]

  production we were in we were in this [TS]

  Cadillac and and that you know the [TS]

  driver the Cadillac was doing the s [TS]

  turns because because that's the only [TS]

  thing that we didn't have any other and [TS]

  like a like an entitled down fixie uh [TS]

  yeah except he's doing he said he was [TS]

  very smooth guy we got this Cadillac [TS]

  from a local car museum he knew what he [TS]

  was doing and it had been a doubt you [TS]

  forget what horrid car horns were like [TS]

  in the nineteen seventies he would lay [TS]

  on this horn and it was pick up it was [TS]

  like a ship it was like a ferry boat [TS]

  coming into port [TS]

  yeah you know haha like totally great [TS]

  horn anyway this was our job drive the [TS]

  length of the city of two miles an hour [TS]

  waving wearing a sash and so I brought [TS]

  my little girl and she was totally [TS]

  amazing for the entire thing until after [TS]

  we've been doing it for four hours and [TS]

  there's no end in sight she finally was [TS]

  like she just had that experience of [TS]

  like okay 100,000 people I've lived a [TS]

  hundred thousand people and now a little [TS]

  freaked out [TS]

  is that where is the end and I'm like [TS]

  yeah still little ways to go and she was [TS]

  like I now want to hide and she went [TS]

  down into the footwell oh poor thing [TS]

  and I was like I'm not sure I'm not sure [TS]

  which point I was but I became a bad [TS]

  father here because we only seem to be [TS]

  doing fine [TS]

  yeah this wasn't this is intense and and [TS]

  and frankly the the part that I became a [TS]

  bad father was I was like I did what my [TS]

  dad would have done which is I said get [TS]

  your ass back up here what are you doing [TS]

  we got we got parading to do here don't [TS]

  leave daddy up here just waving by [TS]

  himself and she was death [TS]

  it's making me look that she was down [TS]

  there you know with her with her little [TS]

  bunny rabbit sucking your thumb and the [TS]

  wheel well and I was like god damn it [TS]

  get up here [TS]

  people want well you know people pay [TS]

  people paid not no money to watch this [TS]

  come up here and help daddy huh and so [TS]

  then I was up there waving you know [TS]

  thank you [TS]

  after happy parade last thing you want [TS]

  to see when you go to operators is just [TS]

  2 miles and miles of a child being [TS]

  admonished well and also yeah that's [TS]

  right you can't you can't I can't I [TS]

  couldn't actually beyond to make sure [TS]

  these 360 can be like Apes you know and [TS]

  I kind of was like a up here but where [TS]

  she was like no way and I thought you [TS]

  might [TS]

  this was a I don't think maybe a unique [TS]

  parenting problem but certainly there's [TS]

  not a lot of role models like I can't [TS]

  call a hotline [TS]

  ok let's say what do you guys do when [TS]

  your daughter doesn't want to to fulfill [TS]

  the entire parade at five years old so I [TS]

  was that you know so yeah I had monitor [TS]

  a little bit and then afterwards I was [TS]

  sorry but then I was like but also you [TS]

  know you don't want to be a quitter but [TS]

  also I understand that you're retired [TS]

  and that you didn't quite know what you [TS]

  were getting into [TS]

  yeah but also look daddy's got weird [TS]

  things that he had to do sometimes raids [TS]

  and other events where he may drag you [TS]

  up onstage because he wants you to [TS]

  because that just as my dad used to [TS]

  leave me sitting in Alaska bars for two [TS]

  hours well he did something [TS]

  uh-huh [TS]

  and he and he justified it to himself by [TS]

  feeling like it was teaching me how to [TS]

  sit in a bar i guess it was teaching me [TS]

  how to meet meet adults and keep them [TS]

  from stealing me as well there's a lot [TS]

  to that I'm not saying I agree with this [TS]

  but there was a time when the ability to [TS]

  sit quietly in a bar with something that [TS]

  was expected to do I mean it'sit's [TS]

  something about learning learning [TS]

  restraint some control right well except [TS]

  you know when he would come back two [TS]

  hours later you know I'd be sitting on [TS]

  the bar they be feeding me whipped cream [TS]

  out of a out of shot glasses it I'd be [TS]

  you know I'd be dancing regaling me with [TS]

  stories like there was I didn't set the [TS]

  mirror Lee and and hope that the big man [TS]

  in the wolf skin coats would leave me [TS]

  alone I was like is that will skim coat [TS]

  did I ever tell you about the time I saw [TS]

  wolf would you buy me a shot glass full [TS]

  of whipped cream and now a timely [TS]

  message about concert against humanity [TS]

  cards against humanity is coming out [TS]

  typically they've got a giant theater [TS]

  and some shit to give away it's August [TS]

  in that ATM there's not much else to say [TS]

  so I your seats today [TS]

  hey it's the second show like this that [TS]

  cards has gone and done [TS]

  they promised lots of comedy they [TS]

  promised lots of fun and if they don't [TS]

  sell Baelfire everyone no fire everyone [TS]

  like you do your fire to your mom your [TS]

  dad they're all fired you get thinks the [TS]

  vehicle your desk and I retire and [TS]

  you're still fired [TS]

  jonathan coulton a spire Paul and store [TS]

  their post-fire furniture look eugene [TS]

  mirman fire fire the entire cards office [TS]

  they're all fire from your at theatre [TS]

  step on fire everyone attending jen guy [TS]

  fired by your uber driver fire [TS]

  you're welcome tales which she fired to [TS]

  the cast of Hamilton all the Queen's [TS]

  corgis iron fire five [TS]

  the moons of jupiter our fire medic [TS]

  impose how the year the letter r taylor [TS]

  swift to get fired fired five [TS]

  the buyer to give take your seats and [TS]

  kneel before your master [TS]

  we hope this show does not become a huge [TS]

  goddamn disaster seats are moving [TS]

  pretty well but they could move much [TS]

  faster by your seat today [TS]

  you want to miss this show so get your [TS]

  tickets quick because if you miss it [TS]

  you'll feel like the biggest black is [TS]

  my dad won't be back for a while we [TS]

  could probably get one more round of [TS]

  whipped cream so I seriously that was my [TS]

  that was my gag i would get a shot glass [TS]

  i would order a shot glass of whipped [TS]

  cream bartenders love it hilarious money [TS]

  that's pretty easy drink it's not like a [TS]

  mojito right you know and and so then [TS]

  I'd be sitting at the bar and I'd be all [TS]

  hard-bitten high shot glass in front of [TS]

  me today the bar tenants would come back [TS]

  and there'd be like another round hit me [TS]

  and we'd laugh I'm getting us it's ready [TS]

  whip right there shit out of the camp [TS]

  yeah oh and then you know it's like it's [TS]

  like when you put peanut butter in a [TS]

  calm way into a dog [TS]

  I you know I'm sitting there trying to [TS]

  trying to get the last bit of whipped [TS]

  cream on the bottom of the shot glass [TS]

  but you know you can't quite get in [TS]

  there huh [TS]

  so close laughs all right i would pay i [TS]

  would pay six hundred dollars to watch a [TS]

  supercut of all the times that I did [TS]

  that as a child I'd especially like to [TS]

  see the dancing [TS]

  well you know i'll start dancing no I've [TS]

  seen no no i mean i've seen adult genre [TS]

  can bust out a dance with very little [TS]

  provocation [TS]

  I'm just seeing the the young you the [TS]

  mascot of the bar yet with is a high on [TS]

  whipped cream do a little jig and enjoy [TS]

  that yeah you had that it sounds you [TS]

  know sometimes there are aspects of my [TS]

  childhood that sound like what like a [TS]

  Western where it's all happening in a in [TS]

  the in like a saloon but that's actually [TS]

  what happened and the way that I had in [TS]

  many cases that way I learned to dance [TS]

  my first dance instruction came from a [TS]

  woman in a Alaska bar where I was [TS]

  sitting where I had been deposited and [TS]

  she was uh it's not looking i mean i [TS]

  don't know i can't say for sure but I [TS]

  think now it retro actively that she was [TS]

  a working like sure she was probably at [TS]

  least a barfly she was certainly that [TS]

  but i think she was also issues she was [TS]

  like this this is [TS]

  tough parlance these days she was she [TS]

  was a professional it was alaska right [TS]

  so he's a semi-professional yeah [TS]

  everybody was wearing a wolf skin coat [TS]

  and she was you know she was nicely [TS]

  tired and there was some music playing [TS]

  and she and I'm sitting there with my [TS]

  whipped cream and she said do you want [TS]

  to dance [TS]

  yeah and i said i don't know how to [TS]

  dance and she said Lt Shadow Dance I'm [TS]

  like that was a little bit older now I [TS]

  was probably 10 and i don't i didn't i [TS]

  didn't say no or I didn't know how to [TS]

  say no I don't think I wanted to say no [TS]

  and she took me out on the dance floor [TS]

  and taught me how to dance huh that's [TS]

  kind of my taught me how to dance pretty [TS]

  well she gave me like the the top six to [TS]

  eight moves and she said listen you [TS]

  gotta you know i'm leaving you right now [TS]

  but you've got to learn to lead you've [TS]

  got to be the you know the expectation [TS]

  is that you're going to lead so then she [TS]

  had me lead for a while I stepped on [TS]

  your toes and she said one of the things [TS]

  you can't do this step on the other [TS]

  person's toes and when i was ten years [TS]

  old so I wasn't you know I was a little [TS]

  kid I was big enough that we could we [TS]

  could approximate dancing inside it had [TS]

  it stuck with me even now when I dance I [TS]

  have this you know I there there's this [TS]

  little connection this element to that [TS]

  at first time I think um I feel like [TS]

  most of what I know that here's my hands [TS]

  make life hack for this here's what I [TS]

  know about dancing i'm not a big dancer [TS]

  i'm not a big public answer you rock out [TS]

  shell rock out but here's what I know if [TS]

  you're not moving your but you're not [TS]

  really dancing and this this is that's [TS]

  the rookie mistake is a lot of people [TS]

  think you can just do a little kooky [TS]

  thing with your arms [TS]

  yeah that'll work but like to really not [TS]

  just to look like you're dancing but to [TS]

  feel like you're dancing your ass should [TS]

  be emotion gonna move your butt if you [TS]

  move your I mean it sounds really [TS]

  obvious but if you look at people who [TS]

  are dancing awkwardly because they [TS]

  haven't found the button moved it all [TS]

  right they're moving their needs are [TS]

  moving they think it's like you know [TS]

  sort of like when you think about your [TS]

  hair [TS]

  people think about come in the front of [TS]

  their hair but not [TS]

  the back the thing is it's the junk in [TS]

  the trunk that's really making the fuck [TS]

  I just made that up [TS]

  I look at me that up i want yeah that's [TS]

  the thing is like if you want to improve [TS]

  your dancing you know in your repose at [TS]

  home [TS]

  well work on moving about a little bit [TS]

  well this is one thing that a lot of [TS]

  people don't know [TS]

  also moving your butt right that's on [TS]

  the that's right at the top of the list [TS]

  but here's what you dance to you do not [TS]

  dance to the guitar you do not dance to [TS]

  the vocals you do not even really dance [TS]

  to the drums came to the base to the [TS]

  base and if you look at the group of [TS]

  people dancing and your land you [TS]

  actually listen to the music you will [TS]

  see that they are the ones that are [TS]

  moving correctly are moving to the base [TS]

  that's a really good point a lot of that [TS]

  I don't want to make this all about the [TS]

  dudes right but you know a lot of the [TS]

  dudes they're actually they're literally [TS]

  playing air guitar sometimes don't do [TS]

  that don't do that that's clearly having [TS]

  fun you know [TS]

  no houkago matata just get in there have [TS]

  fun with it but you so basically is what [TS]

  you're saying you gotta move your butt [TS]

  to the base [TS]

  mm and you know you know them and [TS]

  ninety-nine percent of the people are [TS]

  completely unconscious of it and I think [TS]

  about ninety percent of people in the [TS]

  world couldn't pick the base out of of a [TS]

  musical composition for the bases the [TS]

  part that makes you want to dance [TS]

  that's right that's what that's the [TS]

  whole job of the base and that's why the [TS]

  base is so important and that's why when [TS]

  you're when you're starting out playing [TS]

  rock music when you're a teenage kid [TS]

  you're just like why would i play the [TS]

  bass the bass got no the base isn't [TS]

  flashy I want to be the flashy guy [TS]

  that's like maybe that's why everybody [TS]

  wants to be a guitar plant yeah but that [TS]

  along the way you realize oh the whole [TS]

  thing is the whole thing is just sitting [TS]

  on top of the base and without it that I [TS]

  mean the bases the thing that is [TS]

  motivating the whole whole song and then [TS]

  you start watching like what people are [TS]

  doing with their bodies like oh my god [TS]

  the bases and in control huh [TS]

  and the bass players are like and that [TS]

  you know and that's why bass players are [TS]

  creeps because they know the power [TS]

  yeah they're like moving people's butts [TS]

  and assistants and galleys you know the [TS]

  rest mutants Rasputin's like I'm not I [TS]

  don't need you know I don't need to make [TS]

  a big well they're kind of not rescue [TS]

  teams in that sense but they're like I [TS]

  I'm my historical recipes but they play [TS]

  by their own rules they play by their [TS]

  own rules right they smell like people [TS]

  in a wolf skin coat and boots boo-boo [TS]

  and that's what you're you know that [TS]

  sounds a little sign fealty to think [TS]

  about when you watch seinfeld is dancing [TS]

  what are you moving your butt to get not [TS]

  to Jerry pointing with the thumbs up [TS]

  buddy to do [TS]

  boom I I feel like there's another there [TS]

  one other thing about dancing which is [TS]

  the the the two and four right not the [TS]

  13 m 2 and four you move to the to look [TS]

  for right unless you're staring Copelan [TS]

  but you know that's the other thing is [TS]

  people dance to the beat of his own drum [TS]

  that's right [TS]

  yes i know i agree with you and you see [TS]

  this again with the sorry why people use [TS]

  with the clapping he was with the [TS]

  clapping on the one you don't know about [TS]

  mhm don't clap on the one unless you [TS]

  really know what you're doing I think [TS]

  what you know if you're stevie wonder [TS]

  you know the here's the thing [TS]

  it sounds to me like there's an [TS]

  extension course waiting to happen right [TS]

  here which is which is midway at [TS]

  whatever your you know community college [TS]

  or something you should do a course on [TS]

  helping people understand what dancing [TS]

  isn't how to do it [TS]

  things things have been lost they do [TS]

  they truly have like the accordion has [TS]

  been lost [TS]

  yeah yeah they're very few people that [TS]

  learn the accordion now and the end most [TS]

  of them are doing it somewhat [TS]

  hilariously well and also I think [TS]

  speaking as someone who is forced to [TS]

  learn accordion I think according to [TS]

  something you for someone to learn [TS]

  movement there are many people who were [TS]

  like hey mom can I got accordion but in [TS]

  ninety dollars also just in fairness [TS]

  John is also just not as much exposure [TS]

  to accordance anymore that we step [TS]

  according to everywhere we were allowing [TS]

  with accordions in the 90s audience all [TS]

  the way down in the 1950s lot of people [TS]

  learn the accordion about out of their [TS]

  own at avidity who because they said [TS]

  this is a great way to entertain the [TS]

  parties that's true in 1920 everybody [TS]

  played the piano you couldn't go to a [TS]

  party in according to be on your chest [TS]

  exactly now all that stuff is that has [TS]

  been lost a time like tears in rain [TS]

  and one thing that has been lost I'll [TS]

  tell you as somebody who occasionally [TS]

  will be inspired and we'll grab a [TS]

  partner and say dance with me and dance [TS]

  around they are almost always like [TS]

  excited and thrilled like oh my god [TS]

  someone standing were dancing [TS]

  yes I want to be that I want to do that [TS]

  dance here you know what I'm talking [TS]

  about like holding one another dancing [TS]

  not standing apart from one another and [TS]

  making choo-choo arms and she talked [TS]

  about grown-up dancing I'm talking about [TS]

  like i am going to now dance with you [TS]

  and spin you around and we're gonna [TS]

  we're going to dance properly but even [TS]

  in the course of my own lifetime the [TS]

  number of people who know what that [TS]

  means has declined [TS]

  yeah now so when I was 14 I could I [TS]

  could grab ahold of somebody that I [TS]

  didn't know you know you wanna dance yes [TS]

  and then you are holding them and [TS]

  dancing when I was high but I think [TS]

  there's a high bar [TS]

  I mean like singing I think people used [TS]

  to just randomly this could be because i [TS]

  enjoy musicals but I feel like people [TS]

  used to somewhat more randomly sing and [TS]

  dance more people dance now as I hope [TS]

  not me where I mean more than an element [TS]

  of that but I don't think dancing is [TS]

  part of what we do i think singing is so [TS]

  much a part of what we do seems to be a [TS]

  think people just did they did it [TS]

  yes well I'm often and this is the life [TS]

  back here a lot of times you'll be [TS]

  somewhere like on a cliff or say you [TS]

  know in the in the surf or in the forest [TS]

  and you think i would like to ask this [TS]

  person to dance [TS]

  who there's no big band here there's no [TS]

  dance [TS]

  this is not this is not what other [TS]

  people would consider a dance [TS]

  opportunity to find like EDM in the wild [TS]

  but but it well and EDM in the wild is [TS]

  one of the best festivals student but it [TS]

  is actually an opportunity to dance [TS]

  you just have to identify you just have [TS]

  to it's like it's like a searching for [TS]

  pokemons if you pull out your own [TS]

  imaginary augmented reality and you look [TS]

  at the cliffside and you say is this an [TS]

  opportunity to dance and a little [TS]

  monster pops up it goes [TS]

  yes [TS]

  you can actually say would you like to [TS]

  dance on the other person will go [TS]

  what and then you put your arms around [TS]

  them and you sing and dance to your own [TS]

  singing like a little bit of a mean you [TS]

  know you lost a couple bars of a have [TS]

  any big bands on string of pearls you do [TS]

  bom bom the time to time to time dat da [TS]

  anything [TS]

  children should be taught that song that [TS]

  so they can dance on demand but it to [TS]

  protect I'm done and done and dad and if [TS]

  you know what dozen of those you can you [TS]

  know you can do you don't have the [TS]

  jitterbug eating you can do some slow [TS]

  you know you can do a slow like begin [TS]

  the beguine that that's a lovely thing [TS]

  to do in front of a mountain that's [TS]

  right [TS]

  mhm and so yeah [TS]

  hey I'm spinning your partner out and [TS]

  back in and then a little bit of this [TS]

  over here a little bit of this over [TS]

  there a little over there and I and you [TS]

  are providing the accompaniment and and [TS]

  if you know if you know a little bit of [TS]

  jazz you can just sort of improvised the [TS]

  song I'll do this all the time I don't [TS]

  added to that dun dun hadn't but a deck [TS]

  down added that added that it's nothing [TS]

  it's just it's just no that's totally [TS]

  plausible [TS]

  yeah it's just gibberish right Jaz [TS]

  gibberish whoohoo [TS]

  but you're dancing and what I have found [TS]

  in recent years is that is a very [TS]

  excited partners or like wow that we're [TS]

  really doing this but they don't know [TS]

  what they don't know their job right [TS]

  there that there's no longer a sense [TS]

  like okay you are the one who's a [TS]

  singing and be doing this so then see [TS]

  you are probably going to lead me [TS]

  mhm around you know as soon as you start [TS]

  there like they start tugging like wow [TS]

  because we lost the we've lost the don't [TS]

  know how to be led [TS]

  they think it's a dominance thing it's [TS]

  not it's more like just what you know [TS]

  one person's driving in the other person [TS]

  is his writing [TS]

  yeah somebody's got to you know sort of [TS]

  and the wonderful thing about [TS]

  old-fashioned dancing right was the [TS]

  man's job was to or the person leading [TS]

  that person's job was to not make a big [TS]

  show of themselves [TS]

  no but to show off their partner to [TS]

  their best advantage certainly agree so [TS]

  it's like I'm seeing you now and i'm [TS]

  featuring you here it's more like you're [TS]

  driving it so i can imagine a parade you [TS]

  could say oh yeah the person driving [TS]

  yeah they're driving to the other person [TS]

  can wave exactly i'm driving the [TS]

  Cadillac and honking the horn you are [TS]

  sitting up on the balance and waving in [TS]

  a sack yelling at your child down the [TS]

  willow and so you know to lead in [TS]

  dancing is not to be the featured player [TS]

  yeah but but so all you know that like [TS]

  that intellectual a like that group [TS]

  knowledge has as something it is gone [TS]

  and can't be recaptured I think and it's [TS]

  the casual Friday problem mmm [TS]

  nobody just it was it was seen as an [TS]

  element of freedom to be able to go to [TS]

  work dressed as a as a furnace repair [TS]

  person and now know what now in one [TS]

  generation it was completed how to dress [TS]

  or be professional all of it was lost [TS]

  and now you know you have this this sort [TS]

  of culture of young people who are like [TS]

  i'm dressing up [TS]

  i'm dressing fancy it's sort of like [TS]

  we're like the getting dressed up like [TS]

  an adult is as like a separate special [TS]

  thing [TS]

  yeah I can have been mission creep and [TS]

  i'm personally I have to say I mean I [TS]

  know we differ on this I like too much [TS]

  casual dresser but I take your point has [TS]

  been mission creep on the whole idea of [TS]

  casual Friday to now it's just casual [TS]

  week [TS]

  casual week and and it has spawned a [TS]

  generation of you know these young [TS]

  Macklemore haircuts who are really into [TS]

  menswear let's call it menswear yeah and [TS]

  I mean you know young women have always [TS]

  had an opportunity to express themselves [TS]

  in their clothes men not so much and you [TS]

  have to really make a point of it now [TS]

  because you're not forced to by [TS]

  profession by professionalism [TS]

  well it's I mean this is up top my head [TS]

  but it for a long time i would say [TS]

  definitely even through the sixties [TS]

  men's fashion was a way of how well sort [TS]

  of how well you could fit in by looking [TS]

  like a polished version of everyone else [TS]

  and we're growing in it was like you I [TS]

  think you would distinguish yourself by [TS]

  actually distinguishing yourself by [TS]

  looking different but still fitting in [TS]

  you know what i mean i don't know maybe [TS]

  that's not a distinction but I feel like [TS]

  it is i mean look at photos i was [TS]

  looking at some old photos of our of our [TS]

  neighborhood there's a site that has [TS]

  like all these old photos of muni and [TS]

  stuff like that and like the work the [TS]

  guys like getting into his workmen's [TS]

  truck is wearing a hat like with his [TS]

  sleeves rolled up like a plumber and [TS]

  he's wearing a hat [TS]

  mhm you just you have to do that you [TS]

  can't go out without a hat on course not [TS]

  or you know if you were working as a [TS]

  professional person like white shirts [TS]

  yeah you you look at a picture of 50 [TS]

  people working in an office and they [TS]

  were all dressed exactly the same so so [TS]

  in a sense you didn't have to make any [TS]

  choice at all you just have to know what [TS]

  you're gonna wear a dark suit and a [TS]

  conservative time [TS]

  yeah and you had to have to iron your [TS]

  shirt and it had to be laundered and [TS]

  your hair had to be combed like my mom [TS]

  my plum set at Safeco insurance company [TS]

  where she worked in the seventies until [TS]

  nineteen seventy-nine when she left the [TS]

  company [TS]

  you still could not undo the top button [TS]

  of your shirt and loosen your tie my [TS]

  personal work day even like through [TS]

  disco oh no because this was an [TS]

  insurance company there's no this wasn't [TS]

  your not here to disco and I am I my [TS]

  understanding and i'm pretty sure this [TS]

  is true that if your boss saw you at [TS]

  lunch time sitting at a lunch counter [TS]

  with your tie unfastened that that would [TS]

  be cause for reprimand food because it's [TS]

  you were out in the town having your [TS]

  lunch you also were representative [TS]

  second sure [TS]

  mhm and that is the kind of thing that [TS]

  casual Friday and the casualisation of [TS]

  professionalism sought to undo or you [TS]

  know it was regarded as perk i work at [TS]

  this company where you can loosen your [TS]

  tie at lunchtime [TS]

  haha we're having fun over here and then [TS]

  that has extended to now like hey I work [TS]

  at a tech company and i am an engineer [TS]

  so I get to wear a diaper to work [TS]

  because engineers are the only transfer [TS]

  booths and nobody you know nobody can [TS]

  tell us know [TS]

  mhm because will make their garage doors [TS]

  go up and down if they if they push us [TS]

  around but you know for me like I I see [TS]

  young menswear enthusiasts all the time [TS]

  and I and I'm like I appreciate the [TS]

  effort but there's also this [TS]

  self-conscious kind of peaky blinders [TS]

  old-timey this too [TS]

  it's AI mean I don't know a lot about it [TS]

  but it strikes me that is it does [TS]

  approach a costume [TS]

  not that that's bad but it's a little [TS]

  bit like a costume in some ways also i [TS]

  was thinking about this [TS]

  at what point will we have come around [TS]

  and some really really cutting-edge new [TS]

  tech company that everybody wants to [TS]

  work for huh [TS]

  it's not one of those situations like [TS]

  how do we get new engineers oh why don't [TS]

  we you know why don't we locate [TS]

  ourselves into ET and pay everybody [TS]

  million dollars because engineers are so [TS]

  hard to find but a thing where it's like [TS]

  this is the company everybody wants to [TS]

  work at this is the cool guy place this [TS]

  is the artwork there because the works [TS]

  people will be there because the work is [TS]

  interesting the work is interesting [TS]

  they're doing something you think is [TS]

  important it's pre-ipo oh sure all the [TS]

  shit at what point does some twenty [TS]

  six-year-old entrepreneur say rather [TS]

  than ping-pong tables and endless [TS]

  cheetos at in our company workroom we're [TS]

  all gonna wear black suits that like [TS]

  non-ironic seats [TS]

  yeah that's gonna be the dress code [TS]

  black suits but like nice black suits [TS]

  tailored black suits and choose and ties [TS]

  we're gonna dress like people like Don [TS]

  Draper wear a dress like Don Draper [TS]

  because all these tech companies that I [TS]

  go visit now they all have mid-century [TS]

  modern furniture you know they all love [TS]

  their they're very conscious of [TS]

  aesthetics [TS]

  yeah but then it's like it every single [TS]

  person I see is just getting brothers [TS]

  you know they all their dress like scott [TS]

  simpson game on again getting it [TS]

  others and i like how much how when is [TS]

  it going to happen because it surely [TS]

  will that some really really hot company [TS]

  where the where the you know the the [TS]

  leading entrepreneurs in the grouper are [TS]

  conscious of the fact that they're [TS]

  trying to distinguish themselves they [TS]

  are a special group and it's going to be [TS]

  it's going to be suits at which point [TS]

  does that does that catching fire some [TS]

  really good point and I think that [TS]

  actually people have written in and talk [TS]

  to kind of a fair amount about this i [TS]

  think i think one of the things is that [TS]

  it's for a time it was a different kind [TS]

  of way of telegraphing Silicon Valley [TS]

  anyway it was a way of telegraphing your [TS]

  power was it you know Steve Jobs was not [TS]

  gonna show up you know in any monkey [TS]

  suit [TS]

  no not know of a black mock turtleneck [TS]

  is no monkey suit [TS]

  yeah but you you just gotta deal with [TS]

  him because he Steve Jobs and that's how [TS]

  he rolls but right there's were an [TS]

  article went around last week we're [TS]

  ready queue is guide apple has been [TS]

  trying to negotiate all their deals with [TS]

  the TV places to try and get like [TS]

  over-the-top you basically can get it's [TS]

  like having imagine having cable except [TS]

  you know without having to have cable [TS]

  but he's been meeting with people like [TS]

  kind of more you know [TS]

  san Francisco's kind of west coast more [TS]

  than Los Angeles in some ways Los [TS]

  Angeles still kind of a business down a [TS]

  little bit more like new york and like [TS]

  he should happen like gym shoes with no [TS]

  socks and apparently it really put off [TS]

  the people that he was meeting bet it [TS]

  did [TS]

  yeah good so I mean I guess I'm saying [TS]

  is like I think part of it part of it is [TS]

  this like this is ethos in several [TS]

  historically i can't stand the last five [TS]

  years historically Silicon Valley has [TS]

  been about you know the the sort of the [TS]

  Mavericks and the casual people in the [TS]

  see themselves as being a part of a [TS]

  meritocracy where you didn't have our [TS]

  key you know that the ideally you're [TS]

  there can be known for the quality of [TS]

  what you produce right rather than how [TS]

  much you Hugh to this company's idea of [TS]

  this IBM like idea of looking like you [TS]

  know the model worker iqid a real weirdo [TS]

  at a company like that and design one [TS]

  part of this electronic device that is [TS]

  world-changing and you know people [TS]

  aren't worried so much about your [TS]

  Footwear and well but that's where it [TS]

  started [TS]

  I don't know if that's where it is now [TS]

  but I think that's where it started I [TS]

  think that's where it started to but but [TS]

  you know that that that becomes a sort [TS]

  of arms race [TS]

  ok [TS]

  an arms race with casual wear a pretty [TS]

  soon you are you are actually [TS]

  demonstrating your power by how much of [TS]

  a slob you are how much cheetos dust [TS]

  there is on your black sweatshirt yeah [TS]

  and then yeah then we're living in a [TS]

  world where that we're well the world [TS]

  that I've described many many times on [TS]

  this program where standards have to [TS]

  climb I remember when what the company [TS]

  that funded the dot-com that i was at is [TS]

  very very well-known silicon valley CC [TS]

  and on the rare occasion that the guy [TS]

  whose name was in the company came to [TS]

  the office he talked about pickles time [TS]

  think this nice little you think he just [TS]

  come from the gym and on top of that he [TS]

  brought his dog [TS]

  oh yeah such a power move to bring your [TS]

  dog in somebody's office [TS]

  hey what's up you ain't doing that like [TS]

  you going applying for a job and like [TS]

  bring your dog with you take your dog [TS]

  might take my shoes off [TS]

  oh that's my dog Garfunkel regardless of [TS]

  their man we're going to get some water [TS]

  for Garfunkel [TS]

  well I told you right my lady friend who [TS]

  is in the San Francisco tech world and [TS]

  she's like you know she is a lot she's [TS]

  nice [TS]

  yeah she's nice and she's a lawyer and [TS]

  she's on the professional side and I [TS]

  first met her she would go to work in a [TS]

  hoodie and yoga pants and I'm like this [TS]

  seems weird to me this is a large [TS]

  company work for hand and she doing but [TS]

  it is the other things are innocuous [TS]

  she's doing like real work she's not [TS]

  she's not sitting around going like I [TS]

  wonder if we should change the color of [TS]

  the button but she's gotta deal with [TS]

  lawsuits and stuff oh yeah and she's [TS]

  dealing with our lawyers and talking and [TS]

  she's on the Executive Board or whatever [TS]

  and she said and I I don't remember if [TS]

  we talked about this but she said you [TS]

  can you have to dress this way because [TS]

  you don't wanna make the engineers [TS]

  uncomfortable [TS]

  oh really yeah and I said what does that [TS]

  mean and she said well the engineers are [TS]

  the most important people and if you are [TS]

  walking around like dressed up if they [TS]

  feel like that's like you're being fancy [TS]

  and trying to show them up or just that [TS]

  year [TS]

  yeah putting on airs you're putting on [TS]

  errors or that you're creating an [TS]

  uncomfortable work environment for them [TS]

  again so so she said you know we are [TS]

  it's you know it's like [TS]

  and and I think there's a little bit of [TS]

  that we don't have to dress up because [TS]

  the meritocracy but also you don't want [TS]

  to you don't want to dress up because [TS]

  there's there there's really remember [TS]

  the remember the twilight zone episode [TS]

  where the kid has magic powers and [TS]

  everybody in the town is super scared of [TS]

  him saying yes the cornfield right [TS]

  that's right and super super weirdly and [TS]

  his parents to everybody's just [TS]

  terrified I was an episode he'll kill [TS]

  them and he and but the but the [TS]

  appearance of the town is everybody's [TS]

  super nice and happy and friendly like [TS]

  oh of course why don't we all put [TS]

  chocolate sauce on our heads hey great [TS]

  he's like it has that feeling right [TS]

  where you don't you walk through and the [TS]

  engineers are like I don't think that [TS]

  your your shoes are creaking too much [TS]

  like you should don't you know he'll go [TS]

  with the hill you know he or she will [TS]

  move to a more more new company don't [TS]

  believe you know don't offend them so [TS]

  yeah so and I I I encouraged her over [TS]

  time to think of herself as a as a as a [TS]

  member of the professional community and [TS]

  wear shoes that that she doesn't also [TS]

  exercise in to work and then left [TS]

  fashion advice from well but you know if [TS]

  you're dreaming if your man is like [TS]

  clued in and that you know her whole [TS]

  career she's been intact so there's [TS]

  never she's never had a even if she's [TS]

  around female mentor that that was like [TS]

  oh I like the way you dress everybody's [TS]

  just wearing fleece please PLEASE from [TS]

  head to toe [TS]

  uh-huh and that's true you know that's [TS]

  that that's true in seattle to in the [TS]

  sense that the billionaire's here dress [TS]

  like like they're renting kayaks like [TS]

  the guy behind the counter the kayak [TS]

  rental place [TS]

  alright and so there is no dress code in [TS]

  the nicest restaurant in Seattle you [TS]

  could never say have a blazer because [TS]

  that because the bend of some [TS]

  billionaire will sweep in right and you [TS]

  know with his pet seal they had a garden [TS]

  or herb and forget about my kids of [TS]

  water and some fish are fucking bitch [TS]

  for Garfunkel my seal and and so yeah [TS]

  I've had people come visit from the [TS]

  Midwest from back east and they're like [TS]

  oh we're you know we're going to dinner [TS]

  should i put on something else and Emily [TS]

  like in New York City you just you just [TS]

  don't go out like that [TS]

  no no you don't i mean you know it's [TS]

  you're gonna go out like that [TS]

  yeah I mean it's you really don't know [TS]

  III ii don't know i don't find it like [TS]

  kind of like overbearing but I feel like [TS]

  it's definitely a thing that you know [TS]

  you need to maintain a certain parents [TS]

  need to have hard soled shoes and shine [TS]

  on and I just wonder at just at like [TS]

  whether or not this is a whether or not [TS]

  this is a thing where were i'd just i i [TS]

  absolutely think that we all are in the [TS]

  present moment thinking that this is [TS]

  because this is now and we cannot even [TS]

  see five hours into the future that this [TS]

  let's assume that this will always be [TS]

  the case but I really do believe that [TS]

  it's let things are cyclical and this [TS]

  will cycle back there will be enough [TS]

  there will be another era where where [TS]

  where there will be a gradual [TS]

  realization that appearances do matter [TS]

  that that stuff does it you're not [TS]

  communicating that you're just a worker [TS]

  bee you are communicating that you are [TS]

  trying [TS]

  let's say trying well it seems at least [TS]

  partly to be tied to the economy of the [TS]

  feeling of the economy is a classic [TS]

  example of you know hemlines going up in [TS]

  world war two because there was not much [TS]

  cloth and the clothes that you made had [TS]

  to be pretty modest so when the new-look [TS]

  comes around late forties early fifties [TS]

  Long's much like floor length skirts [TS]

  just use that fabric but but there's [TS]

  also just that sense of like in some [TS]

  ways like the more the more weird and [TS]

  difficult your life gets the more [TS]

  important it becomes to you to look wire [TS]

  together right [TS]

  mhm so I think that ability to look [TS]

  casual or be casual feels tied to a [TS]

  certain kind of status or success and [TS]

  specifically I remember something like [TS]

  casual Friday in the nineties where I [TS]

  worked and it was still kind of a [TS]

  pissing contest was like who's been well [TS]

  not precisely but the but you would [TS]

  people come in like what tommy hilfiger [TS]

  shirt were you wearing like when you [TS]

  were when you were doing cash [TS]

  Friday meaning mostly khakis and a shirt [TS]

  with no tie you know some guys like [TS]

  sales guys would still they basically [TS]

  dress like they would any other day [TS]

  except they wouldn't have a jacket and [TS]

  tie and then the other guys but they [TS]

  were constantly competing with like they [TS]

  reckon that's that one Jerry Garcia tie [TS]

  that that particular again Tommy [TS]

  Hilfiger was really big at the time but [TS]

  it was still it's still status you you [TS]

  wouldn't come in and like a blister [TS]

  culture [TS]

  well and also right there were there [TS]

  were very very definite standards of a [TS]

  casual Friday [TS]

  oh absolutely you could wear denim you [TS]

  yeah you had to have yet to be what that [TS]

  was why doctors became a brand doctors [TS]

  doctors was the casual Fridays we should [TS]

  give us a PBS special you know what you [TS]

  should wear my day is special [TS]

  brooklyn john go back through go back [TS]

  through western all the things you [TS]

  thought she understood turns out let's [TS]

  talk about doctors this episode brought [TS]

  to you by doc but a pop-up I I'd i am [TS]

  almost certain that the that when this [TS]

  sea change comes you're right it will be [TS]

  a reaction to something in the world and [TS]

  I imagine you know I think that the this [TS]

  rise of authoritarianism that's [TS]

  happening in our world and sort of [TS]

  across the world where it seems like Oh [TS]

  thorat arianism is fashionable now [TS]

  that's really unusual that seems like a [TS]

  thing that we have for a very long time [TS]

  all agreed was not was you know not an [TS]

  aspiration always been a long time [TS]

  actively unless it was somebody a [TS]

  middling level dictator that we needed [TS]

  for their resources land bases and [TS]

  generally was something that we fought [TS]

  for 60 or so years [TS]

  well and certainly within ourselves we [TS]

  imagined like oh they're little petty [TS]

  despot it's around the world at exactly [TS]

  as you say that we alive with or battle [TS]

  depending on how depending on how much [TS]

  oil is under the sand but in America [TS]

  we're progressing away from despotism [TS]

  think about all the things we we six [TS]

  like celebrated over the years became [TS]

  particularly the Berlin Wall and the [TS]

  blend wall and there's a lot [TS]

  layers to why that felt like a success [TS]

  one of them was it felt like kind of [TS]

  between that glass knows it felt like [TS]

  the [TS]

  the [TS]

  end of soviet-era communist domination [TS]

  or the fear of domination like we kind [TS]

  of exhale but also just the idea that [TS]

  like this wasn't a divided city anymore [TS]

  this wasn't a divided Europe anymore [TS]

  like and I know that's not entirely true [TS]

  but it felt very symbolic which is why [TS]

  the van Halen song right now as you so [TS]

  often at the time thats that's such a [TS]

  great example of how van Halen was on [TS]

  the bleeding edge think about just a few [TS]

  years later it's all running with the [TS]

  devil [TS]

  mmm matter what your line for gas star [TS]

  wars huh [TS]

  right but what should i do enforce my [TS]

  netflix chef but I do i do feel like [TS]

  this this weird rising authoritarianism [TS]

  everybody's worried about Donald Trump [TS]

  obviously we can just we can start about [TS]

  who is that what's another bus will [TS]

  arrive at the the guy that's on [TS]

  everybody's lips the the be the a line [TS]

  of the modern fashion Donald Trump but i [TS]

  don't think that i think that you know [TS]

  Trump isn't the problem trying but the [TS]

  problem is that 40 million people [TS]

  support Trump for the problem [TS]

  well 40 million Americans are going to [TS]

  vote right yeah right and that's for an [TS]

  hour every day that passes they become [TS]

  more certain that they are not going to [TS]

  change their mind and the more someone [TS]

  tries to change their mind the less [TS]

  likely they are to change their mind and [TS]

  that's what our site still doesn't get [TS]

  but but that's 40 million people for [TS]

  people like being so but Trump is going [TS]

  to win but those 40 million people have [TS]

  been you know how are like happily ready [TS]

  to have a boss like ready to think about [TS]

  the president of the US has like the big [TS]

  boss like Idi Amin you know like we're [TS]

  gonna call him Papa or whatever there [TS]

  that were not that far [TS]

  no no no from a lot of people really [TS]

  like just coming right out and saying [TS]

  think about Joe the clinical Joe how [TS]

  people have such mixed feelings about [TS]

  Stalin on the one hand there is this [TS]

  this huge part of them that was like [TS]

  absolutely terrified it had members of [TS]

  their family lost you know to to Stalin [TS]

  but still had this this strange [TS]

  attachment to him yeah he made the [TS]

  trains not running on time that's right [TS]

  yeah and it wasn't you know but start [TS]

  one wasn't we will elect you know they [TS]

  weren't elected him but we're going to [TS]

  buy we're going to voluntarily it's not [TS]

  gonna be trumpet but in the next however [TS]

  many years that's gonna rise that that's [TS]

  gonna purr [TS]

  too late and then someone's gonna come [TS]

  along who is appealing who's who's not [TS]

  you know who goes boots dog whistling [TS]

  but also taking pages from Trump's book [TS]

  but he's not repulsive like trumpets and [TS]

  it could be you know in the end the [TS]

  nixon in china move would be for it to [TS]

  be a woman who um and they're just you [TS]

  know what this like we're gonna we're [TS]

  gonna make America great again model and [TS]

  then all of a sudden we're going to be [TS]

  the it's going to be very very different [TS]

  here [TS]

  America is going to feel like Pink [TS]

  Floyd's the wall and I think that's when [TS]

  more severe fashion will come back in [TS]

  because we're going to be using all that [TS]

  fabric for all that doctors fabric for [TS]

  parachutes right we're not going to be [TS]

  able to use that oil and gas that we [TS]

  were formerly using to make to make [TS]

  t-shirts with like curiously the tech [TS]

  logos on them [TS]

  we're going to go back to a thing where [TS]

  it's like all white shirts for everybody [TS]

  you see this side essential link did you [TS]

  see this thing David from wrote in the [TS]

  Atlantic david from in the on this kind [TS]

  of I think go I at least to me this is [TS]

  very related to what we talked about a [TS]

  few episodes ago on the OG how these [TS]

  episodes a lot of people liked and it's [TS]

  called why Trump supporters think he'll [TS]

  win and david from essentially writes [TS]

  this in this first-person all in quotes [TS]

  like here's here's the voice of mini [TS]

  Trump voters [TS]

  oh yeah and i think i think something [TS]

  like this is really useful for people to [TS]

  because I don't think he's just taking [TS]

  the piss out of people i think they're [TS]

  there are so many elements of truth in [TS]

  and what he's saying that helps us [TS]

  understands me understand like my big [TS]

  point this is this is not one group of [TS]

  people this is many many different [TS]

  individual people who see something in [TS]

  the mini right i mean that's the part of [TS]

  this is like we treat this like a [TS]

  movement that's about Donald Trump you [TS]

  really you really lose the story [TS]

  yeah that's he is this cipher in some [TS]

  ways that everybody can project their [TS]

  desires and fears anger and in some [TS]

  cases hatred by think hatred is not [TS]

  nearly as big [TS]

  deals it looks like hatred hatred is [TS]

  what gets people stirred up but it's [TS]

  that feeling of inequity know and that [TS]

  feeling of being set aside and that [TS]

  feeling of like you know what [TS]

  won't get fooled again like I'm so over [TS]

  thinking this system works [TS]

  yeah so I would encourage listeners to [TS]

  go find this flute load of the new boss [TS]

  same as the writing and basically saying [TS]

  like hey look you know I'm just looking [TS]

  at you know examples throughout I think [TS]

  it's a very good piece and you know [TS]

  everybody talks about you know this this [TS]

  great country in the system and like you [TS]

  know but you know we feel we these is [TS]

  some of his supporters feel very left [TS]

  left behind by all these things that you [TS]

  want to just kind of patch and like [TS]

  we're not left behind in a rapture sense [TS]

  no not really but but but maybe [TS]

  hey buddy even down to and i'm not [TS]

  saying i just think this is a this is a [TS]

  thought experiment to read something [TS]

  like this and take yourself out of your [TS]

  own way of thinking and then try to read [TS]

  this at somebody and not just somebody [TS]

  who's angry and powerful somebody who's [TS]

  may be sad and not powerful and so [TS]

  they're looking for someone to make them [TS]

  feel powerful [TS]

  so so i've been i've been doing this [TS]

  exact thought experiment recently not [TS]

  just because of OG Holly's but I got a I [TS]

  got a message from our good friend Dave [TS]

  acres of the of the mcsweeney's Empire [TS]

  and he said that he the day the [TS]

  description of the pitch was the Trump [TS]

  rallies the RNC rallies were using a lot [TS]

  of music to punctuate the event and [TS]

  almost universally the musicians that [TS]

  made that music disapproved yeah of [TS]

  being used a time and so eggers was like [TS]

  let's make an album of music that where [TS]

  the songwriter approves of it being used [TS]

  at a at a trump rally so we'll we'll get [TS]

  a bunch of musicians and they'll all [TS]

  right songs intentionally to be used by [TS]

  the republican party [TS]

  oh man it's a very eager z idea and so [TS]

  any and it's like kind of a rush thing [TS]

  and you remember here's a dictionary for [TS]

  a new America and soundtrack for a new [TS]

  America that happened a long time ago [TS]

  now i think during the election for the [TS]

  second George W Bush election right that [TS]

  would have been 2003 or 2000 2000 brings [TS]

  an hour and that was actually that [TS]

  record was the debut appearance of the [TS]

  commander thanks a lot huh [TS]

  the commander thinks aloud as mixed and [TS]

  shepherded by John Flansburg so it was [TS]

  before it had before was released and it [TS]

  was put on this album of of tunes done [TS]

  by x bar sook and and Eggers as a kind [TS]

  of support for for not bush and so it's [TS]

  this new idea and so I went upstairs and [TS]

  started writing a song for inclusion on [TS]

  this record and I didn't want to do [TS]

  because a lot of my friends fellow [TS]

  musicians are going to be on the album [TS]

  and it's like it [TS]

  what the the the stated sort of mission [TS]

  is I i know i know the other songwriters [TS]

  I know how it's going to be interpreted [TS]

  by them or i assume i know because it's [TS]

  so open-ended it's like write a song for [TS]

  the RNC and i'm i'm i'm kind of guessing [TS]

  what up what we're going to get from [TS]

  everybody and I was like you know I'm [TS]

  gonna write a song that true i'm going [TS]

  to try and write what is like really in [TS]

  really an anthem for them not a song [TS]

  that's like screw you guys here's your [TS]

  song i hope you choke on it like yeah [TS]

  this is the song that a trump supporter [TS]

  would write and so of course it sounds [TS]

  like a little bit of a tom petty and a [TS]

  little bit of john cougar mellencamp and [TS]

  I'm right i'm writing this tune in in [TS]

  the voice of somebody who's just fed up [TS]

  you know fed up with like the DMV and [TS]

  fed up with the nanny state the real [TS]

  thanks Obama song whom and about three [TS]

  quarters of the way through writing and [TS]

  singing is I it started to feel very [TS]

  dangerous [TS]

  because you know it was it was like a [TS]

  force vessel eat ya little bit you know [TS]

  yeah we can rally around this we've been [TS]

  aggrieved and and I and I and I was [TS]

  trying very hard not to sing it in a [TS]

  like yeah I'm going to get to get back [TS]

  to America girls like that what our [TS]

  troops [TS]

  oh thank you for your service [TS]

  I wasn't I wasn't gonna do that we're [TS]

  going to nashville it [TS]

  yeah I was just I was going to sing it [TS]

  because a lot of that RNC stuff that [TS]

  they choose is is just rock and roll [TS]

  music it's not trying to be it's not [TS]

  trying to be country and so i was i was [TS]

  writing it as tom petty song so its [TS]

  roots II roots II and I was getting into [TS]

  just the pole write a song write a rock [TS]

  song thing isn't residency orgy a good [TS]

  good question it is in C ok and you know [TS]

  just enjoying myself and like right rock [TS]

  song and the and I was trying to make [TS]

  the lyrics not exaggerated for comedic [TS]

  effect you know you on the nose about [TS]

  you on the nose and so it is so it [TS]

  obviously is a sarcastic tune I was I [TS]

  was I was ratcheting it back so that it [TS]

  also was sort of dog dog Wesley you know [TS]

  you say like urban problems or make [TS]

  America great again in order to [TS]

  camouflage or your racism and it was [TS]

  turning into a good song with a chorus [TS]

  of weapons-grade parody know America [TS]

  proud i'm proud like I'm proud of my [TS]

  heritage [TS]

  I'm not a bigot but I'm proud of my [TS]

  heritage sure it's like em [TS]

  this song is going to get on the radio [TS]

  and it was the same kind of room thing [TS]

  of like get inside that get inside that [TS]

  mind and it's internally consistent and [TS]

  it does you know it does evoke feelings [TS]

  of pride and and American exceptionalism [TS]

  and all the stuff that was like I I'm [TS]

  very curious to see how this song turns [TS]

  out but did you know it sounds like an [TS]

  from hearing you as the song took shape [TS]

  and you start to feel more like a song [TS]

  or even putting potentially good song [TS]

  that was not troubling to you well in [TS]

  the sense that you don't want to be 22 [TS]

  good as i was writing the lyrics i was [TS]

  conscious of you know where i was i was [TS]

  very into the art of of camouflaging the [TS]

  true meaning by using sort of platitude [TS]

  no language and and the and it was very [TS]

  it was very obvious to me and hilarious [TS]

  like certain words but also certain word [TS]

  order where you were describing [TS]

  situations in a in a in a very colored [TS]

  way right like why should what if [TS]

  somebody work to build a small business [TS]

  who are we to tell them who they [TS]

  conserve uh-huh type of thing where as [TS]

  as the language government as I was [TS]

  honing it more and more then I forgot [TS]

  and then I then the fourth time I was [TS]

  singing it trying to get the melody [TS]

  right i forgot the irony i forgot i was [TS]

  being clever because the the the [TS]

  platitudes are just easy to sing and the [TS]

  platitudes themselves are hard to [TS]

  disagree with yeah I do support our [TS]

  freedoms right so third fourth time [TS]

  through [TS]

  I was just singing it or even even that [TS]

  even that you know we think about most [TS]

  patriotic songs have something that you [TS]

  know talk about the greatness of the [TS]

  country but also then that and that we [TS]

  are under threat and we deal with that [TS]

  because we have to because what we got [TS]

  here can't go away [TS]

  that's right which is not i mean that's [TS]

  that's the star-spangled banner sure and [TS]

  that's that's really a lot of love songs [TS]

  2 we've gotta yeah we are and our love [TS]

  against all of the all things that are [TS]

  going to keep us apart [TS]

  I think when people are trying to do a [TS]

  parody sometimes when people are trying [TS]

  to do a parody of these these dum-dums [TS]

  that support Trump in their mind I think [TS]

  they get the tone of it a little bit [TS]

  wrong because the total dot two-tone of [TS]

  Donald Trump the reason people like [TS]

  Donald Trump is because they articulate [TS]

  something he articulates that they have [TS]

  trouble articulating on their own [TS]

  he's doing well it's no different than [TS]

  culture or rush limbaugh at a different [TS]

  time I think what you miss is the [TS]

  sadness and the hurt and yeah a little [TS]

  bit about feeling threatened but the [TS]

  feeling threatened is what comes through [TS]

  in Donald Trump's rhetoric the reading [TS]

  of these people on the street says [TS]

  everything has changed so fast [TS]

  nothing is getting better and I feel [TS]

  really threatened and I feel sad because [TS]

  the things that used to be a tradition [TS]

  that everybody in my community family [TS]

  understood have gone away and now i feel [TS]

  under threat [TS]

  now you can agree or disagree with that [TS]

  emotion but we've all had that emotion [TS]

  and we can understand that emotion it's [TS]

  not even that far off of a song about [TS]

  your ex-girlfriend but to get the tone [TS]

  right you can't just be angry [TS]

  it can't just be jingoistic it has to be [TS]

  about how something it's got to be [TS]

  almost like a ballad we're like [TS]

  something precious is going away it [TS]

  might be too late to say that but we [TS]

  have to try but that's not until you [TS]

  follow what I'm saying that I mean I [TS]

  think people focused so heavily on all [TS]

  this [TS]

  they call it racism they call it a call [TS]

  you think that's what Donald Trump says [TS]

  that's not what all these people that [TS]

  you meet at a rally say and what if we [TS]

  don't get that right we're gonna fuck [TS]

  this up hard they feel under threat [TS]

  because you know in a lot of cases they [TS]

  legitimately are there's a there's quite [TS]

  a bit of culture on the internet now [TS]

  that says white men can't complain about [TS]

  their problems you know you're not [TS]

  allowed to present your gonna want to [TS]

  participate in this let alone be mad [TS]

  about this [TS]

  yeah right i mean you just told me a [TS]

  minute ago that I wasn't you know that [TS]

  women [TS]

  oh just love to have men comment on [TS]

  their clothes and that is a better [TS]

  within our culture right that's a that's [TS]

  obviously what I said but no don't take [TS]

  it but you know like that's it that we [TS]

  consider that was for other women let's [TS]

  be honest that we consider that a [TS]

  legitimate critique and and something [TS]

  that we say in good humour to one [TS]

  another right but but that that voice is [TS]

  you know you transmit through three [TS]

  cultural apertures and somebody out in [TS]

  the world is just like what I can't i'm [TS]

  not allowed to say anything anymore and [TS]

  they do they feel like it's all being [TS]

  directed at that all targeted at them [TS]

  because in on the west coast [TS]

  it's not considered radical that we [TS]

  would try and have a diversity but in [TS]

  Oklahoma what that what that effectively [TS]

  means is that they're no longer that [TS]

  they are they are being it's mandated [TS]

  now that they not be able to do business [TS]

  the way they always have and that's [TS]

  that's again part of this heuristic down [TS]

  this could be this could be a wonderful [TS]

  coincidence or is not positive but so [TS]

  many things have changed the spin look [TS]

  at the way that it's more difficult than [TS]

  ever for somebody who does not have the [TS]

  right kind of college education to know [TS]

  they can get a good job if you have a [TS]

  good college education and you've got [TS]

  debt that's still that's a pretty pretty [TS]

  tough gig but the people for people who [TS]

  don't have that the things that used to [TS]

  be what right wrong or otherwise just [TS]

  hear me out of the things that used to [TS]

  be in place whether that was tradition [TS]

  where those cultural his family whether [TS]

  that was familiarity like alongside all [TS]

  of those kinds of economic things going [TS]

  away now alongside that and probably [TS]

  coincidentally the ever it's becoming [TS]

  more diverse which feels threatening [TS]

  that's threatening to people if you live [TS]

  in if you live in Washington or New York [TS]

  or Seattle or San Francisco [TS]

  I mean it's great to be in a diverse [TS]

  community and you're used to that [TS]

  because that's what's there that if you [TS]

  see the economy going down as people of [TS]

  different backgrounds are coming around [TS]

  or you see them being fought for when [TS]

  you feel not for I don't think that's [TS]

  that difficult to understand i'm not [TS]

  saying it's right but I don't think it's [TS]

  I don't think it's impossible to [TS]

  understand and if you don't use to try [TS]

  to understand it you're gonna lose lose [TS]

  lose this race particularly because the [TS]

  diversity that we are trumpeting in our [TS]

  West Coast cities is still not truly [TS]

  diversity right i mean we are also [TS]

  struggling even in the evenin the hotbed [TS]

  who have like intellectual pursuit [TS]

  intellectual and practical pursuit of a [TS]

  world devoid of of discrimination [TS]

  we're a long way from it and so at the [TS]

  theoretical level we're pushing pushing [TS]

  pushing to expand the franchise and to [TS]

  you know to be as radical as we can be [TS]

  in terms of trying to be inclusive [TS]

  and so people out in the you know in the [TS]

  center of the country are already [TS]

  struggling with the amount of diversity [TS]

  that we were whether we were aspiring to [TS]

  1982 alongside infrastructure that is [TS]

  fucking falling apart right the idea i [TS]

  heard this I'm just parroting something [TS]

  I heard in the last few days but you [TS]

  know it's you know how the record [TS]

  industry and a lot of entertainment we [TS]

  gotta really false idea of what was [TS]

  possible with cds because of the middle [TS]

  late nineties that became their [TS]

  unintentional benchmark for what music [TS]

  sales should be and when that so that [TS]

  name is this another funny coincidence [TS]

  of history that right at the time at cds [TS]

  with the most profitable there's an [TS]

  under never been a spike in sales of [TS]

  music like there had been with cds and [TS]

  it never been as profitable and instead [TS]

  of saying wow we had a good half decade [TS]

  they said I guess this will keep going [TS]

  for 20 years and when it went away in [TS]

  two years maybe they were totally blown [TS]

  away [TS]

  that's not dissimilar from from what [TS]

  we're talking about here [TS]

  mhm what I worry all the time and I [TS]

  think a lot of us to do you think the [TS]

  seventies if you think the seventies in [TS]

  most normal cities the early seventies [TS]

  late sixties if you think living in [TS]

  Detroit and sixties was the benchmark [TS]

  for what you can expect from an urban [TS]

  City you have the wrong idea you had a [TS]

  lucky break for a while [TS]

  uh-huh uh-huh I worry about twitter [TS]

  twitter that the company well-known I [TS]

  don't care about Twitter the company but [TS]

  we have invested so much of our lives on [TS]

  Twitter and the benchmark and when a lot [TS]

  of us are still are still a back in [TS]

  2010-2011 and what and we ever we've [TS]

  been sounding the death knell for this [TS]

  this cultural marketplace sense 2011 but [TS]

  it's still there [TS]

  I still go there multiple times a day [TS]

  and I still put in some ways my best [TS]

  thoughts there or at least you know or [TS]

  at least I am trying their I'm within [TS]

  twitter i'm trying and have been now for [TS]

  years like we're coming up on what not [TS]

  10 years yeah [TS]

  yep you know 10 years coming up you know [TS]

  and so you think about how long [TS]

  twitter has been very central both to my [TS]

  news gathering my [TS]

  it's too it's still an elongation [TS]

  socializing unwinding making friends [TS]

  yeah at the very very game and and so [TS]

  each one of these new social media [TS]

  incursions snapping the latest i like it [TS]

  threatens my club and I I'm very afraid [TS]

  with each decline in the quality of [TS]

  Twitter and each and we've just [TS]

  weathered i think a period where it was [TS]

  just it was it had become so toxic there [TS]

  yeah that but we can't we all stayed [TS]

  there are a lot of a lot of the people [TS]

  that I'm that make up my world are still [TS]

  there and still Sweden we met each other [TS]

  and I and some have dropped away [TS]

  I don't I don't I don't see the colon is [TS]

  barely there [TS]

  Hodgman is much less there but i'm still [TS]

  treat themselves sweetened and I'm very [TS]

  much in his Instagram though you're not [TS]

  putting out as many words as he is 2 for [TS]

  sure that's that's true that's true my [TS]

  tweets are not as good and you know I [TS]

  always hated people that tweeted links [TS]

  to their tumblr i want to go to your [TS]

  tumblr but now i'm out there tweeting [TS]

  links to my Instagram and it's not a [TS]

  positive sign that [TS]

  yeah but your description mean that goes [TS]

  well I i have to seem sensitive but I [TS]

  mean we have to say that I feel like I [TS]

  have to say yeah there are a lot of [TS]

  people who just left as they had to [TS]

  because they got chased off of twitter [TS]

  us into more privileged position sitting [TS]

  here who can say like wow sometimes they [TS]

  really feel like leaving here but will [TS]

  face anything like what some other [TS]

  people face like for us it's like oh my [TS]

  god this is so boring or this got mean [TS]

  if I look in this area but we don't get [TS]

  the same kind of treatment that a lot of [TS]

  people get well it's true but we also [TS]

  have really really a truncated what we [TS]

  say in our language i mean i know you [TS]

  and i both oh yeah [TS]

  tweet within the contact with in a [TS]

  modern context where it isn't just a [TS]

  question of being being actually [TS]

  sensitive to other people and actually [TS]

  like actually changing ourselves in a [TS]

  positive way where we understand that [TS]

  there's responsibility to broadcast [TS]

  but also just fear of tweeting something [TS]

  that absolutely makes sense but what if [TS]

  it is potentially misunderstood by the [TS]

  two percent of people that are looking [TS]

  for a problem you know it's just not [TS]

  worth the effort [TS]

  well if you know anything about you [TS]

  there i was a time when I was much more [TS]

  confident for a variety of reasons in [TS]

  trusting that whatever I said would be [TS]

  understood in a certain tone in a [TS]

  certain context by people who are [TS]

  familiar with certain references and so [TS]

  there was a time when I would be a [TS]

  little bit more ambitious about what I [TS]

  was doing but I do feel and i'm not [TS]

  saying this is always bad but I out one [TS]

  thing definitely has changes i'm trying [TS]

  to be more sensitive to not saying [TS]

  things that are hurtful without knowing [TS]

  i'm doing it and like you know I don't [TS]

  want to be hurtful [TS]

  I don't want to be unkind to people and [TS]

  that's just a personal change that I [TS]

  hope is reflected on Twitter for to [TS]

  specific people in particular but you [TS]

  just can no longer trust that people are [TS]

  going to understand what you meant to [TS]

  say and who you were saying it to right [TS]

  and when that when you get that wrong [TS]

  unintentionally or in usually [TS]

  unintentionally like there are such [TS]

  ramifications of that now [TS]

  yeah and it all has to do is go one [TS]

  iteration out from what you consider [TS]

  your family and it and you know its [TS]

  broadcast actually pretty soon it's a [TS]

  lot of guys in suits and ties in their [TS]

  avatar [TS]

  oh here they come here then something [TS]

  dies a lot of guys with the American [TS]

  flags in their avatar [TS]

  I don't know I get the most trouble like [TS]

  I died 25 people to show me differently [TS]

  but I get the most trouble i get is from [TS]

  guys whose pictures did then with a girl [TS]

  presumably or god bless you if you have [TS]

  that is your photo but a lot of people [TS]

  within a certain type the thai people [TS]

  causing problems for me [TS]

  interesting i can i get a lot of like [TS]

  well no actually Bernie Sanders is a [TS]

  sellout from this guy's I see I see what [TS]

  you're saying [TS]

  I I there's there is absolutely a an [TS]

  element of people swinging on a vine [TS]

  insulting me and then when i say goodbye [TS]

  they go oh well I guess you're you know [TS]

  I guess you're not interested in a in a [TS]

  in a debate and I go no I'm not [TS]

  and they say why are you publishing why [TS]

  are you broadcasting why why why why are [TS]

  you publish it why are you going into [TS]

  the public sphere right if you're not [TS]

  prepared to deal with every single [TS]

  monkey that that comes at you [TS]

  it's like look man I'm not coming to [TS]

  your Twitter feed and talk to you about [TS]

  your shit [TS]

  uh-huh this isn't this isn't the this is [TS]

  not a public service right i am not [TS]

  obligated to you this is my little this [TS]

  is my place and it made it to you and [TS]

  now you've really replied and goodbye [TS]

  fuck you just because you figured out [TS]

  how the door works doesn't mean you get [TS]

  to come and sit on my couch it [TS]

  yeah but but i don't know but i can't [TS]

  see the future either and I know [TS]

  everyone's well I don't mind a little [TS]

  shit on my couch but uh huh [TS]

  but but looking five years from now and [TS]

  try to imagine what my relationship is [TS]

  to this new public world i was trying to [TS]

  date was on the other day and he said [TS]

  his new goal for himself is for the next [TS]

  five years to release an album every [TS]

  January 22nd wow and i was like it was [TS]

  very inspiring to me Dave works very [TS]

  hard [TS]

  what's the significance of that date I [TS]

  don't believe there is one or least he [TS]

  didn't communicate that there was one [TS]

  and that would be one of the things he [TS]

  would have communicated I think he just [TS]

  said it arbitrarily but you know looking [TS]

  ahead five years ambitious to the idea [TS]

  that he will have released five records [TS]

  it bitches too ambitious say you're [TS]

  going to do one advantage to say you can [TS]

  do more than one but it's really [TS]

  ambitious to put yourself on that [TS]

  particular unerring schedule that's a [TS]

  lot of what to do [TS]

  it's a lot to do it and it feels like it [TS]

  feels like k an act against vanity in [TS]

  the sense that if that records got if [TS]

  it's coming out january twenty second [TS]

  that means you have to be done with it [TS]

  august twenty second because it takes [TS]

  that long right factor stuff and so if [TS]

  you have to be done with 10 songs by [TS]

  August 22nd you have to not be vain [TS]

  about your song so you cannot be [TS]

  Precious about that you have to just be [TS]

  like this song is done moving on [TS]

  yeah it's like you're making burgers and [TS]

  like you're not going to be judged on [TS]

  the one great burger you made this year [TS]

  you're not gonna have a business if you [TS]

  don't keep percent and that that seems [TS]

  that seems great to me and and like [TS]

  crazy but like crazy in a great way but [TS]

  thinking about how five years ago I [TS]

  would have tried to promote a new album [TS]

  fight had 15 years ago yeah and think [TS]

  about how i would try to promote it now [TS]

  I cannot imagine how I'm going to try [TS]

  and promote it five years from now [TS]

  particularly if i make if I make one [TS]

  year which I almost certainly will not [TS]

  but but even now five years ago I would [TS]

  have used Twitter a certain way now it's [TS]

  sort of like every single day i log on [TS]

  and my friends are trying to promote [TS]

  their things [TS]

  nobody's listening what is what how and [TS]

  Emma are we going to retire like are we [TS]

  at the age now we're going to require [TS]

  going to gradually recede from that [TS]

  scene and partly I think it's that's why [TS]

  I signed up for snapchat today because [TS]

  I'm not quite ready to to be the last be [TS]

  over on twitter with the molds and not [TS]

  be not be inexplicably on snapchat with [TS]

  that with the with the news sure [TS]

  mhm um but i don't know how many more of [TS]

  those progressions i'll be able to make [TS]

  just because the because probably the [TS]

  next one will require a knowledge of [TS]

  references that that will exclude that [TS]

  was the one your daughter will be on ya [TS]

  and there or maybe not her but there [TS]

  will be that interesting item from where [TS]

  it's still be on it sooner than you [TS]

  think maybe so if you know if she can if [TS]

  she can climb her way out of my of the [TS]

  padded room in the basement where she [TS]

  lives [TS]

  daddy has perfect [TS]