Roderick on the Line

Ep. 213: "Desk Bobbies"


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  oh hai jaan hai Maryland was going [TS]

  pretty good [TS]

  mmm i get the sense every monday a [TS]

  little bit after ten no big deal when I [TS]

  am asking a question you really think [TS]

  about it for a minute i say how's it [TS]

  going and I really feel like you're you [TS]

  know you're not responding by rote [TS]

  you're turning it over maybe not awake [TS]

  yet but it seems like something you're [TS]

  turning over in your mind [TS]

  yeah I I you know I think that I tried [TS]

  to answer every latitudinal inquiry from [TS]

  everybody authentically mean I'm not [TS]

  somebody that's in the supermarket there [TS]

  in your case the the line at bartels [TS]

  cannot that is not how I played [TS]

  walgreens walgreen oh yeah walgreens [TS]

  well right yeah you're not that you're [TS]

  not somebody that I'm not around I'm not [TS]

  somebody rather who will sit there and [TS]

  in response to the guy saying I did [TS]

  today go are my sciatica vey vey iz Mir [TS]

  but the other night I was at the grocery [TS]

  store 1159 that closes at twelve was [TS]

  having a bad day and the guy that was [TS]

  working there has been working there for [TS]

  a long time [TS]

  he's always working there the late shift [TS]

  he's not he's not like one of the old [TS]

  guys he's in his late thirties and he [TS]

  carries himself with a very sort of ice [TS]

  cube level of intensity I've tried to [TS]

  banter with him many times he's not [TS]

  interested in bantering with me when I'm [TS]

  in a good mood he doesn't care when I [TS]

  just play it cool [TS]

  he doesn't care he's not registering me [TS]

  and whether it's you know i'm used to [TS]

  flirting with everybody and he surely [TS]

  has noticed me because I'm flirtin with [TS]

  him like crazy [TS]

  he just isn't gonna get any work [TS]

  somewhere you know you are aware of more [TS]

  people than you might realize that you [TS]

  know like you probably at the newsstand [TS]

  you could probably sit down if you [TS]

  really put your mind to it at that time [TS]

  had made a list of like 30 character [TS]

  first the owner just a tiny bit about [TS]

  all more than that I mean you're [TS]

  absolutely right just like yeah a lot [TS]

  but his vibe is just not happening [TS]

  because he's a cool character that's [TS]

  right and so it's just the two of us in [TS]

  the store so 1159 the stores closing [TS]

  I've tried to make chitchat with him [TS]

  over the years sites i surrendered a [TS]

  long time ago and not and not unfriendly [TS]

  to him but just like I'm not chicken [TS]

  right you know that's not what you want [TS]

  but he says [TS]

  how's it going tonight and I was having [TS]

  a really bad day and I said you know [TS]

  today's been really bad and I have no [TS]

  idea why I did it I just he asked me a [TS]

  question and they were you're vulnerable [TS]

  uh-huh and you would want this story to [TS]

  end with us like with him stopping what [TS]

  he was doing going wow man tell me back [TS]

  like a bartender but that's not how [TS]

  historians he he continued to ring up my [TS]

  my pity food which was like a piece of [TS]

  cake a bowl of above box of ice cream [TS]

  and the shore no pizza [TS]

  oh no is your pity food and and then he [TS]

  was like you know have a nice night or [TS]

  whatever like zero acknowledgement I was [TS]

  like yeah random I'm glad there were no [TS]

  they were both still in character have a [TS]

  good night [TS]

  yeah yeah b- whatever okay getting at [TS]

  but ya did you read that article Merlin [TS]

  recently about the about the b division [TS]

  of the Metropolitan Police in Britain [TS]

  that is now using super recognizers [TS]

  supertaster but faces [TS]

  yes i just--literally guess that that [TS]

  success very good everybody's better [TS]

  everybody everyone is better accept [TS]

  these people [TS]

  ok so that's seriously what is it [TS]

  because like this is a human humans as [TS]

  they say [TS]

  yeah we've had were all aware of [TS]

  face-blindness being a real problem for [TS]

  people that have face blindness [TS]

  they they can't recognize I mean pure [TS]

  face-blindness you can't even recognize [TS]

  yourself in the mirror [TS]

  yeah this is why reading those Oliver [TS]

  Sacks books is such a trip because and [TS]

  actually I do have a topic that I want [TS]

  to bring up thats related to this where [TS]

  you there are certain kinds of things [TS]

  we're just even knowing that they exist [TS]

  no matter how inoculated you feel or how [TS]

  healthy you think you probably are you [TS]

  cannot help but start doing like the [TS]

  third act of 6 cents like running [TS]

  through your head like are there times [TS]

  when I had this and didn't know it [TS]

  mm you know saying well this article is [TS]

  really fascinating there's a minute [TS]

  it's fascinating in part because it's so [TS]

  obvious you know it's one of these these [TS]

  moments where it's like God but it [TS]

  wasn't like a didn't come from a [TS]

  university it wasn't a science [TS]

  scientists initiated program it was just [TS]

  some detective at the at the you know [TS]

  some bobby i guess i don't know what [TS]

  Bobby is frankly the epic to be a Bobby [TS]

  you have to have a hat and twirl up [TS]

  nightstick turns out that's because the [TS]

  London Metropolitan Police Force was [TS]

  started by a man named Robert really [TS]

  turns out by armed so I'm mom [TS]

  so guys there's like look we've got [TS]

  we've got more CCTV cameras than any [TS]

  other place in the world by a factor of [TS]

  10 but all this information is not being [TS]

  processed because we don't have the [TS]

  capacity to process that we keep buying [TS]

  all these new computer programs but [TS]

  computers can't really wait through the [TS]

  millions of faces we record every day [TS]

  this system is like a useless system but [TS]

  he he noticed that there were certain [TS]

  detectives that would just be sort of [TS]

  out doing their job and somebody would [TS]

  walk past and they'd be like that guy [TS]

  there's a warrant out for his arrest [TS]

  from 17 years ago for purse-snatching [TS]

  likes a little bit [TS]

  Dustin Hoffman right yeah yeah well i [TS]

  mean if you don't I mean I'm avoiding [TS]

  saying it but it's somebody is somebody [TS]

  who has not just an uncanny ability to [TS]

  see a face and associated but then to [TS]

  have that data be able to pull up [TS]

  quickly and like I know why I know that [TS]

  person I see people in the street like I [TS]

  think that person was my waitress five [TS]

  years ago but could you are you exactly [TS]

  well and so these are these people that [TS]

  have this gift right there had a and and [TS]

  so he started he made up a 10 [TS]

  for them or there's some kind of test [TS]

  face recognition test and they're all [TS]

  these people working at the police [TS]

  department already who are like oh yeah [TS]

  I just I'm like I'm working the evidence [TS]

  rumor you know I'm the lady that [TS]

  processes all the data reams and he just [TS]

  gave his testimony and and there are [TS]

  certain people that can that recognize [TS]

  all the the the bit characters in movies [TS]

  and they're like oh that guy who's [TS]

  playing the farmer in the background was [TS]

  the guy that was playing the farther you [TS]

  know the the 15th soldiers from the left [TS]

  in in that war movie you know like this [TS]

  have this photo recognition of faces and [TS]

  he compiled them into a little gang and [TS]

  said here now start coming through all [TS]

  this CCTV footage that's kind of been [TS]

  pre combed you know like using [TS]

  algorithms we've narrowed it down to [TS]

  just 10 thousand pictures or something [TS]

  and this little team is like that's the [TS]

  guy that's the guy that's the guy just [TS]

  solving crimes just what i want to do [TS]

  Merlin all i want to do is solve crimes [TS]

  what all we all any of us want to do is [TS]

  solve crimes and it's always there [TS]

  these people are solving crime that was [TS]

  something with something that they [TS]

  already know how to do they have a [TS]

  superpower basically it's a superpower [TS]

  yeah and so then this article goes on to [TS]

  say [TS]

  statistically it's inevitable that there [TS]

  are police officers out there who have [TS]

  face blindness who are made a big part [TS]

  of your job is like that's the guy I saw [TS]

  him do it or you know like I recognize [TS]

  the perp from across the store and there [TS]

  are cops out there who are like yeah I'm [TS]

  a policeman [TS]

  I can't tell to completely [TS]

  different-looking people apart and [TS]

  they're making IDs and they're [TS]

  testifying in court right notorious and [TS]

  reliable right well and that's that's [TS]

  true but but notoriously unreliable it [TS]

  like like lineups and and [TS]

  and that type of thing are unreliable [TS]

  amongst the boy huh [TS]

  but these people they're there are [TS]

  people and now used and we start to [TS]

  think about it like there's just there's [TS]

  statistically a large number of people [TS]

  that have this talent in varying degrees [TS]

  and even among the people that habit [TS]

  there are some who are recognized as [TS]

  like amazing that's that's that's [TS]

  amazing but they saw the article starts [TS]

  to say why wouldn't you give this test [TS]

  to every police officer and people that [TS]

  have face blindness should not be beat [TS]

  cops [TS]

  it's a it should be experimentation [TS]

  maybe desk Bobby's a desk Bobby right or [TS]

  like some kind of mother Bobbi uh-huh [TS]

  like a like an evidence room Bobby hora [TS]

  like a morgue Bobby we need all [TS]

  different kinds of Bobby's sure if you [TS]

  want to be a Bobby you be more Bobby but [TS]

  you owe and even more gonna have to [TS]

  recognize and faces you don't want to [TS]

  put the one guy in the one box and the [TS]

  other gal in the other box so it but it [TS]

  you know you sit there and you're like [TS]

  okay this there's one police station in [TS]

  the world that's doing this now and even [TS]

  and and even that feels like it's feels [TS]

  like somebody higher up good eliminated [TS]

  in in an afternoon just because they [TS]

  don't like the guy's face haha nice but [TS]

  uh but it's just started this cascading [TS]

  wave of in my head of what of what is [TS]

  plainly obvious which is that people [TS]

  have aptitudes I that's exactly what I [TS]

  was thinking [TS]

  yeah and we're always testing testing [TS]

  you know testing kids testing testing [TS]

  testing testing for four things you know [TS]

  we're testing [TS]

  I mean when I want to i would first [TS]

  moved to Seattle I tried to get a job as [TS]

  a doorman in a fancy building and I was [TS]

  given like a 40-page test twice that was [TS]

  one of those tests was like if I saw [TS]

  fellow employees still a paperclip I [TS]

  would a [TS]

  call the police like is it like a [TS]

  myers-briggs kind of thing around and [TS]

  pie it's no it's trying to determine if [TS]

  I am honest alright but it like like one [TS]

  of these things like if I saw fellow [TS]

  employees still a paperclip i would call [TS]

  the police call the FBI tackle him to [TS]

  the floor or a curl up in a ball and cry [TS]

  and it's like it's none of the above [TS]

  well you have to pick one like these [TS]

  tests that are it's better just they're [TS]

  just crazy and see a tortoise on its [TS]

  back baking in the Sun I i totally agree [TS]

  and not least because I think there are [TS]

  super powers that probably exist that [TS]

  are the kind of things you would see in [TS]

  DC and Marvel but you also think about I [TS]

  don't beer too reductive here but think [TS]

  about giving kids tests in school which [TS]

  is so rife with problems and it's just [TS]

  but I mean so the basic idea is like [TS]

  okay well i'm gonna give you a test of [TS]

  what we studied this week and arithmetic [TS]

  and you know these things we told you [TS]

  that there's going to be a test and we [TS]

  were going to give you this test the [TS]

  thing is that like the the most [TS]

  important thing about taking a test is [TS]

  knowing how to take a test which we [TS]

  don't teach people really until they [TS]

  take an elective you know s80 prep they [TS]

  don't you know where you learned that [TS]

  there's a lot of gaining to it in some [TS]

  ways for that kind of test yeah it's a [TS]

  bit if there's a more standardized tests [TS]

  but i guess i guess on trying to look [TS]

  first of all I think we have to always [TS]

  admit that in the same way that like [TS]

  managers tend to hire people that they [TS]

  would like to manage my manage somebody [TS]

  who you're not going to hire somebody [TS]

  you can't manage the way the company [TS]

  changes and grows and if it's cancer [TS]

  cases involves is gonna be heavily [TS]

  circumscribed by the interests and [TS]

  hang-ups of the people who are making [TS]

  hiring decisions so it's I mean that's a [TS]

  little bit of a of a rabbit hole here [TS]

  but you know that's one reason companies [TS]

  don't change as quickly as people would [TS]

  like it because they're not changing the [TS]

  kind of people that they hire so it's [TS]

  kind of crazy to think that it would [TS]

  change but it's also a matter of you [TS]

  know and I I would never say anything [TS]

  disparaging about teachers or [TS]

  administrators that they've got a job to [TS]

  do their job is to run the school you [TS]

  know it's yeah sure secondarily with the [TS]

  kids vs [TS]

  educated but there is this professor x [TS]

  part of my brain that thinks like you [TS]

  know there's think about all of the [TS]

  things involving mental organic chemical [TS]

  things that we've learned that that's [TS]

  make this vastly rethink the way we [TS]

  treated what you might call mental [TS]

  illness or madness over the past [TS]

  millennium right it's not necessary it's [TS]

  not bad humors it's not that you have a [TS]

  troll living in your head you know and [TS]

  kids that were in the brown reading [TS]

  group when I was in the third grade we [TS]

  now understand you might have a spectrum [TS]

  disorder where they might have a [TS]

  chemical imbalance or there could be all [TS]

  kinds of things that help explain but [TS]

  until we have a way to name and measure [TS]

  it like it isn't real and so in this [TS]

  this is what fascinates you know you're [TS]

  saying is like how many things are out [TS]

  there we just haven't figured out might [TS]

  exist because we don't know what to call [TS]

  it or how to measure it [TS]

  well it and i think it I think what it's [TS]

  inspiring me to think about is like we [TS]

  spend a lot of time measuring and there [TS]

  are a lot of things were afraid to [TS]

  measure right this is this is one of the [TS]

  big problems of liberalism more about [TS]

  the problem of just equality the idea of [TS]

  equality it's as soon as you start [TS]

  measuring people your you get into this [TS]

  posture of like let's say there's [TS]

  somebody wants to be a Bobby and they [TS]

  take a they take an exam and they have [TS]

  face blindness [TS]

  now you can make a strong case that face [TS]

  blindness actually precludes them from [TS]

  being able to properly do the job of of [TS]

  policing street police but you can [TS]

  imagine the lawsuit also that you know I [TS]

  want to be a police officer take it like [TS]

  a disability [TS]

  yeah i'm being discriminated against [TS]

  because i have faced blanks right and [TS]

  you know and then the other side is like [TS]

  well no I mean we we have a job for you [TS]

  here in the in the in the Bobby morgue [TS]

  and then you realize well now there's [TS]

  800 people working in the Bobby more [TS]

  because they all want to be police [TS]

  officers and they all have faced blind [TS]

  right and I've always said about college [TS]

  professors like the people that the [TS]

  right now we use [TS]

  the phd system to determine who is who [TS]

  are professors are but sort of like [TS]

  running for City Council the ability to [TS]

  get a PhD and the build ability to be a [TS]

  good interesting instructor on a topic [TS]

  are in some ways mutually exclusive like [TS]

  running for City Council and being a [TS]

  city councilperson are totally different [TS]

  jobs and so our colleges are built [TS]

  around the idea that phd's are the [TS]

  teachers but ph DS Arnott interesting [TS]

  but eh but phd's then people who have [TS]

  had PhDs four years also become the [TS]

  people who make the rules [TS]

  yahoo to send me and what measure yeah [TS]

  and so you know the best teachers are [TS]

  storytellers and people that get up and [TS]

  have a mental map of the topic and are [TS]

  able to make it interesting and [TS]

  connected to other things and your [TS]

  scintillating and that requires a kind [TS]

  of mind that is antithetical almost to [TS]

  doing a deep dive on you know on Zelda [TS]

  Fitzgerald's diaries and writing a you [TS]

  know a 900-page exegesis on you know on [TS]

  two months of Zelda Fitzgerald's Diaries [TS]

  it's like that's not an interesting [TS]

  story teller if you can do that [TS]

  successfully congratulations here are [TS]

  here's a chestful of ribbons you should [TS]

  be buried in the stacks for the rest of [TS]

  your career doing that which you clearly [TS]

  love you shouldn't be like put put in [TS]

  front of a group of 18 year olds who are [TS]

  tossing frisbees in the back your class [TS]

  and given the impossible goal of making [TS]

  it interesting to them should be a [TS]

  library Bobby should be library papi [TS]

  yeah so for instance you know we talked [TS]

  about there all the time this feeling of [TS]

  being underused or of trying to find [TS]

  your dock and in so many ways it's like [TS]

  for me it's been obvious for a long time [TS]

  i have i have a mental geography you [TS]

  know I can and it's exactly like face [TS]

  recognition there's that mean if you [TS]

  give me a piece of information I can put [TS]

  it into an architecture that I've built [TS]

  in my mind of history and geography [TS]

  and I and I and I find the little you [TS]

  know it's like the it's like the Indiana [TS]

  Jones warehouse and i wield a little [TS]

  card of this new piece of information [TS]

  down a long hallway and I turn left and [TS]

  I know where it goes [TS]

  you know it's catalogued in my mind and [TS]

  when I interact with other people that [TS]

  don't have it which is most people I've [TS]

  always confused like oo IC you don't [TS]

  not only do you not know that where we [TS]

  stand where you live there are 15 [TS]

  different roads you can take back to [TS]

  your house because you only ever tickets [TS]

  don't think that way better just don't [TS]

  think that way you don't see it you [TS]

  don't see your house and where we are [TS]

  now in a in a map it's not that [TS]

  different from having perfect pitch [TS]

  where even if you describe it to [TS]

  somebody still can't really know what [TS]

  it's like right to tell you that like [TS]

  every almost every sound that they hear [TS]

  fall somewhere on like a map of tones [TS]

  for them and you know everybody else [TS]

  would even be aware that that exist let [TS]

  alone be able to do it [TS]

  yeah there's and there are plenty of [TS]

  people who see that note and can pull it [TS]

  out and tell you where it fits into [TS]

  chords and you know it's like they have [TS]

  it in their head let alone you know the [TS]

  architecture of how does the French [TS]

  Revolution play into how did the french [TS]

  revolution effect wore one right that's [TS]

  a similar kind of geography now what [TS]

  what my face blindness azhar uh-huh i [TS]

  can think of probably a few but again [TS]

  you don't know what your face blindness [TS]

  azhar like I don't [TS]

  yeah I don't know where my where the the [TS]

  big a canker sore in my you know smooth [TS]

  skin is but there's no no one has ever [TS]

  found a planet with you and I have found [TS]

  this place we carved out a place where [TS]

  we can use our our face recognition [TS]

  ar-ar-ar-ar abilities here you know to [TS]

  but but it's sort of even even here [TS]

  incomplete because where we've never [TS]

  really been tested for what we're what [TS]

  it is okay and you think all the jobs in [TS]

  the world that need a you or me or [TS]

  anyone listening like all the all the [TS]

  places where it's like oh my god you can [TS]

  you totally it's a party trick for you [TS]

  to name all the all the bits actors and [TS]

  all the other movies you seen them in [TS]

  that's like a party gag and then you go [TS]

  back to your job of working in a factory [TS]

  making milk shake mix when you're just [TS]

  pushing a rock up a hill because that's [TS]

  your racket now and there's never been a [TS]

  way to know how to fit that stuff in and [TS]

  civilization is like our whole culture [TS]

  is missing [TS]

  we're all losing out on being able to [TS]

  use your ability which you know which is [TS]

  native to you and you're missing out on [TS]

  the experience of going to work every [TS]

  day and saying solving crime solving but [TS]

  if the person is in a position person or [TS]

  persons in a position to decide whether [TS]

  test for that doesn't doesn't someone [TS]

  who suffers from face blindness not to [TS]

  be nefarious but they have very few [TS]

  motivations to go out unless they're [TS]

  pretty big hearted in civil wanted to go [TS]

  out and find people who do have it [TS]

  here's what's amazing about this story [TS]

  the cop that put this team of Bobby's [TS]

  together does not have is not a super [TS]

  recognizer he's not a super recognizer [TS]

  yeah he just was a cop trying to solve [TS]

  these trying to solve crimes and he's [TS]

  like I keep having really good luck [TS]

  going over to this a the small group of [TS]

  people that sit over here in the in the [TS]

  morgue and asking them if they've ever [TS]

  seen this guy before and he had just [TS]

  enough authority that he could say can [TS]

  you know can these people be tasked to [TS]

  me for this this period of time let me [TS]

  try this out and I don't think he's a I [TS]

  think he's not very hot popular with the [TS]

  brass because he does people's by his [TS]

  own rules [TS]

  sure he's over there just like my garlic [TS]

  all he's a little bit rogue it's like he [TS]

  slapped his gun down on the debt well [TS]

  it's easy Bobby so he slaps is is that a [TS]

  hundred is Jenny club and he says [TS]

  dominate you British blackness [TS]

  I got so much to say about this into the [TS]

  pan is I mean I right it's it like it it [TS]

  reverberates throughout everything well [TS]

  in here just real quickly here is that [TS]

  you know I i'm very interested in these [TS]

  ideas of what we test we measure what we [TS]

  can see and we don't you know we got [TS]

  these phases where we watch a lot of [TS]

  harry potter and was just thinking [TS]

  yesterday we're watching the six movie [TS]

  and see how interesting is like how many [TS]

  layers of nobility invisibility there [TS]

  are in harry potter like for example [TS]

  muggles can't see Hogwarts so if a model [TS]

  were to go to Scotland and found where [TS]

  Hogwarts was it would look like [TS]

  destructed land because magic but the [TS]

  point is that if you want me if you [TS]

  walked across hard works we bump into [TS]

  building i don't think so i think it's [TS]

  disguised in such a way that basically [TS]

  202 anybody who's not in the Wizarding [TS]

  community it's just the sake of argument [TS]

  let's just understand that they can't [TS]

  see Hogwarts but let's say you are [TS]

  always there a war which you come to [TS]

  Hogwarts well then you have all these [TS]

  additional further layers of these [TS]

  things were for example there's a [TS]

  certain kind of in this particular film [TS]

  there's a certain kind of you know this [TS]

  mythic beasts like ghost horse thing [TS]

  with ghost tours kind of like one swing [TS]

  this really cool but like Harry sees [TS]

  this thing is like what does anybody [TS]

  else see this and the only the person [TS]

  who sees it as luna lovegood and Luna [TS]

  says well the only people who can see [TS]

  that are people who've seen death so [TS]

  there's this but there's all these [TS]

  layers and layers and layers and I know [TS]

  that that's a fantasy novel for kids but [TS]

  I think there's all kinds of stuff like [TS]

  that going on we're just because you can [TS]

  see this one thing doesn't mean you can [TS]

  see these other things and sometimes the [TS]

  only way we derive any understanding is [TS]

  by accident so what did they tell us [TS]

  when we were in high school they said [TS]

  okay if you want to go to college [TS]

  you gotta take the SATA or the acct and [TS]

  here's the thing about the s80 PSAT like [TS]

  here's what we know about the s80 is [TS]

  that people who do well on the s80 [TS]

  there's a high correlation between [TS]

  people doing well on the s80 and doing [TS]

  well in college which if you really [TS]

  think about it is is super interesting I [TS]

  think because it's not saying that like [TS]

  it's because you're smart at stuff it's [TS]

  because you test well on that one kind [TS]

  of test now who knows there could be a [TS]

  dozen other things that indicate [TS]

  to a seventy eighty percent how will how [TS]

  well you will or won't do in college but [TS]

  that's that the blunt instrument we've [TS]

  got and so this is usually important [TS]

  decision about like whether we're going [TS]

  to allow you into our colleges based [TS]

  heavily on how well you did on this test [TS]

  and it's not even it's not exactly how [TS]

  well you did on the test that matters [TS]

  it's that that correlation is what [TS]

  matters [TS]

  there's part of me that wonders like as [TS]

  we blunder ignorantly through life not [TS]

  knowing what causes what order for [TS]

  eventually get to this minority report [TS]

  like point where we can retroactively we [TS]

  go back and look at Big Data to go like [TS]

  oh here's big patterns like people who [TS]

  did well in politics and we're honest [TS]

  tended to show these patterns at [TS]

  different points in life is so that's [TS]

  that's what the interesting thing about [TS]

  the SATA and the college is that all [TS]

  makes sense up to a point right here we [TS]

  have a college we want people to come [TS]

  here who are going to do well on it and [TS]

  this test measures what we you know this [TS]

  test tends to measure skills that you [TS]

  will need to do well in school and let [TS]

  me drop the other shoe just to say state [TS]

  the obvious the thing that we can't know [TS]

  because you can't prove a negative is we [TS]

  can't know the number of people who [TS]

  never even took the SATA let alone [TS]

  didn't do well on it we have no way to [TS]

  know those could be the greatest student [TS]

  we've ever gotten but the model we have [TS]

  doesn't fit that kind of scattershot [TS]

  approach there's no test out there [TS]

  there's no means out there for going [TS]

  unless you're gonna put a lot of wet [TS]

  layer on it there's no way to really [TS]

  know like who's this kid in the inner [TS]

  city that might be the greatest student [TS]

  we've ever got [TS]

  well it depends what we call a great [TS]

  student who's deciding who's allowed in [TS]

  here and you know what we lose money as [TS]

  an institution if we get people in here [TS]

  who drop out like that is a bad pattern [TS]

  it looks bad on the books and so we have [TS]

  to stick with this conservative approach [TS]

  that's all I want to say was yeah we [TS]

  don't we don't know that's a very very [TS]

  blunt instrument the the though I guess [TS]

  the worser thing about it is that the [TS]

  next thing I mean the extension of that [TS]

  thinking is that if you do well in [TS]

  college you are we will be valuable to [TS]

  society like it because it has a height [TS]

  there's a higher correlation for that [TS]

  but that's that is the thing that's [TS]

  unmeasurable like right you know if [TS]

  you're if you if you're talking about [TS]

  the University of Pennsylvania and [TS]

  you're talking about here's what the [TS]

  university of pennsylvania teaches [TS]

  here's how this it's socially structured [TS]

  here's where it's located [TS]

  did here's you know here are the [TS]

  parameters of the University of [TS]

  Pennsylvania and what it's capable of [TS]

  and then you say the s80 perfectly [TS]

  measures who is going to do well at the [TS]

  University of Pennsylvania you mean I [TS]

  and it says oh it excludes all these [TS]

  people that are from different cultural [TS]

  backgrounds and excludes all these [TS]

  people that have that have a face [TS]

  recognition skills but don't you know [TS]

  the better aren't good at math or [TS]

  whatever like it maybe they do very well [TS]

  at the Wharton School of Business [TS]

  without taking into account that their [TS]

  father will be learning the million [TS]

  dollars in the near future that allows [TS]

  them to create their empire just as a [TS]

  random examples around moving is hard to [TS]

  count for this thing's yeah but what but [TS]

  the the massive fallacy is to presume [TS]

  that our that the college's then became [TS]

  the exclusive path to having a a like a [TS]

  supervisory role in our culture right [TS]

  you can you can work [TS]

  you always were able supposedly to work [TS]

  your way up from the mailroom but what [TS]

  what we got the we put College in this [TS]

  middle place that we're its job was to [TS]

  filter out people who weren't going to [TS]

  be supervisors who were who didn't have [TS]

  the metal or the the the cognitive skill [TS]

  to be a leader [TS]

  it's like officer candidate school and [TS]

  we net we've never thought about that [TS]

  again right i mean colleges do not [TS]

  actually do a very good job of finding [TS]

  leaders and it colleges promote people i [TS]

  mean being good in college does not make [TS]

  you a leader and there's no and [TS]

  statistically now all we have is well [TS]

  did people who go to college [TS]

  did they become leaders well yeah [TS]

  because they're rich and because they [TS]

  because it's self-reinforcing and all [TS]

  that you know like all the all the [TS]

  insanity around the idea that we would [TS]

  have that we would we would impose a [TS]

  system and then never really try to [TS]

  validate its findings by any means other [TS]

  than by using its own language [TS]

  no like that and I felt this my whole [TS]

  life write the sum of the smartest [TS]

  people i knew when i was 15 the the kids [TS]

  that were really really burning hot at [TS]

  15 years old who were rebelling against [TS]

  their parents already who were in [TS]

  trouble with the school who and they [TS]

  were kids right so they were they were [TS]

  ding-a-lings they thought that that they [TS]

  were going to be part of a revolution of [TS]

  some kind or you know etcetera etcetera [TS]

  but like the kurt cobain's let's call [TS]

  just the though the outsiders [TS]

  mmm at 15 years old some of the [TS]

  fifteen-year-old outsiders were just [TS]

  fucking smartish the smartest kids and [TS]

  the the quote-unquote smart kids at [TS]

  school really looked down their noses at [TS]

  them and were threatened by them [TS]

  everybody was threatened by them but the [TS]

  whole system all the parents all the [TS]

  teachers all that the school everything [TS]

  were really targeting those kids to like [TS]

  get him out of here [TS]

  basically you know not even trying to [TS]

  reform i'm not talking about the you [TS]

  know the schools do a pretty good job of [TS]

  like oh this kid is not excelling we're [TS]

  going to put them in special class and [TS]

  we're going to try and get him through [TS]

  this process you know it's important to [TS]

  the schools to like help people that are [TS]

  struggling to get them through but that [TS]

  small group of people a small group of [TS]

  teenagers who are like from a very early [TS]

  age 13 years old already may be [TS]

  struggling with drugs already insecure [TS]

  home life very very insecure home life [TS]

  who are coming to school full of of [TS]

  anxiety and aggression who are just like [TS]

  just get stuff like if your parents find [TS]

  a lot maybe you don't sleep very well [TS]

  right or nerds fight a lot maybe that's [TS]

  how you think problems get solved right [TS]

  right uh and but they're like they're [TS]

  hurting but there also is very smart and [TS]

  sensitive like I just got a facebook [TS]

  message from a friend of mine that he [TS]

  was the first person I ever knew that [TS]

  had a tattoo when he was 16 years old he [TS]

  had a tattoo smiling skull smoking a [TS]

  joint not a problem physiologically with [TS]

  that [TS]

  yeah my family all three how wait a [TS]

  minute you're all island and the the [TS]

  skulls tattoo on the inside of his left [TS]

  arm and it was I mean this is before [TS]

  this was back when the only people that [TS]

  had tattoos were in the Navy and I was [TS]

  like what did you do it yourself and [TS]

  he's like what do you mean I got this [TS]

  tattoo is like this is me man and he was [TS]

  be that that was back in the days when a [TS]

  punk rocker could get a tattoo of a [TS]

  skull smoking a joint and there wasn't [TS]

  any confusion about whether or not he [TS]

  was a hippie don't mean like now he's [TS]

  not a hippie he had a freaking tattoo [TS]

  hippies didn't start getting tattoo [TS]

  still later and he was like such a he [TS]

  was so he lived in a trailer park his [TS]

  parents were on drugs he was so [TS]

  sensitive and such a delightful delicate [TS]

  person and I watched life just hammer [TS]

  him and after high school life continued [TS]

  to hammer him and I got a message from [TS]

  the other day still alive a lot of our [TS]

  mutual friends that were closer to him [TS]

  than me or are all dead that it was like [TS]

  a it was they just died from from drugs [TS]

  and from being too sensitive frankly he [TS]

  didn't somehow he survived and I heard [TS]

  from my hand for many years and every [TS]

  time I every time I interacted with him [TS]

  after high school I always had the same [TS]

  feeling he was one of the smartest ones [TS]

  of all of us and he was shit on [TS]

  constantly he took it with good grace [TS]

  you know he was just like.he he handled [TS]

  it pretty well considering [TS]

  and he made a life for himself but but [TS]

  he was brutalized and I like I go on I'm [TS]

  like talking to him on facebook and look [TS]

  at his profile and he's an old man now [TS]

  he's like a little man [TS]

  and I think you know the aptitudes that [TS]

  he had the artistic ability and the you [TS]

  know the set the sensitivity right he [TS]

  was meant for something he was meant to [TS]

  do something it if we had an ability to [TS]

  test for if we have truly had an ability [TS]

  to test for aptitude we would have [TS]

  culturally right at 15 years old [TS]

  pull this kid out of school and said oh [TS]

  my god hello like here is your hear [TS]

  let's just let's we don't need this [TS]

  anymore you know like high school isn't [TS]

  where where you need to be you need to [TS]

  be over here and we're gonna put you in [TS]

  this special place and you're into these [TS]

  special things and you know I i [TS]

  obviously right we all kind of feel like [TS]

  we wish something like that happened to [TS]

  us or at least i have spent a lot of my [TS]

  life wishing that somebody had grabbed [TS]

  me by the hand but it was also but it's [TS]

  also like in in my remember like senior [TS]

  year remember my Americanism vs [TS]

  communism class i'm looking for years at [TS]

  this is what happens in the Soviet Union [TS]

  like waiting with the age of whatever [TS]

  the whatever arbitrary number they made [TS]

  up but the age of 10 they give you a [TS]

  test and if you don't do well nothing [TS]

  you become machinist and there's a track [TS]

  and once you're on that track you can [TS]

  never go back to like America or anybody [TS]

  can be the president right and that's [TS]

  the thing we always say about japan [TS]

  right if you don't you don't pass the [TS]

  the preschool admission test then you're [TS]

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  it's a very high tonight you know I [TS]

  don't need to say that the programming [TS]

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  now but yeah that's that's the that's [TS]

  what i was saying before right like the [TS]

  American premise is that that you should [TS]

  be able to be a police officer even if [TS]

  you have face blindness right the [TS]

  American premise is that you should be [TS]

  able to you know youyou muscle your way [TS]

  in or use your ingenuity or your [TS]

  for your guile to have any job you want [TS]

  and there shouldn't be any limitations [TS]

  and it is a very it's a very slippery [TS]

  slope i think in a lot of our minds to [TS]

  going from something very logical like [TS]

  police detective should be super [TS]

  recognizers to all of a sudden feeling [TS]

  very uncomfortable about the fact that [TS]

  there's predestination and yeah I and [TS]

  we're altering people too hard and all [TS]

  of a sudden you know you gotta get [TS]

  through all these filters and then were [TS]

  gattaca but it's also just to [TS]

  problematize it a little bit it's the [TS]

  things we talked about some of these [TS]

  super recognizer recognized for what [TS]

  they super recognizing act and it's it's [TS]

  it just depends on what level the level [TS]

  at which you want to try to solve the [TS]

  problem that we call what disability [TS]

  crime whatever you want to call it the [TS]

  trouble is by the time you get down to [TS]

  the level of Super recognizing all have [TS]

  we vetted all the people whose faces are [TS]

  being recognized I guess we're assuming [TS]

  in this case that those are all [TS]

  batteries right that have to to go down [TS]

  I guess it's just interesting to think [TS]

  about like in that case that's a very [TS]

  interesting technical hack that really [TS]

  sounds like it would work but it does [TS]

  assume that the policing is being done [TS]

  well fairly and justly and those are [TS]

  bodies that need to be cut so they don't [TS]

  blow up the the ferris wheel or whatever [TS]

  I mean I think you're talking about that [TS]

  the job of super recognizer is not those [TS]

  aren't the prosecutors right there just [TS]

  the tool it is a lot like minority [TS]

  report in some ways I haven't seen that [TS]

  is that the one where the the cars all [TS]

  go up and down the walls like like [TS]

  roaches that might be fifth element but [TS]

  said minority report that the notion is [TS]

  that there are these ghosts they can see [TS]

  a little bit into the fuses mythological [TS]

  characters these three sisters who like [TS]

  lands pool water something something [TS]

  magical science but basically they are [TS]

  able they are often able to detect when [TS]

  a crime is about to happen which you [TS]

  know to begin with is a pretty great [TS]

  idea for sci-fi story but then there's a [TS]

  lot of interest in the next part to me [TS]

  is in the implementation and evaluation [TS]

  decorators yeah [TS]

  and how the little wooden ball rolls out [TS]

  and that there's this entirely [TS]

  chain-of-custody to it and it's all done [TS]

  part of what makes the I never read the [TS]

  book or the story but but it's it is [TS]

  very interesting and then in the course [TS]

  you know that there's there has to be a [TS]

  story which is like you actually really [TS]

  trust the system do we know this but I [TS]

  don't know I don't know I mean yeah I [TS]

  mean it's I i think that like all like [TS]

  all solutions technological solutions [TS]

  and this does feel like a thought [TS]

  technology huh [TS]

  and so it is a technological solution [TS]

  and it will it would invent it [TS]

  invariably develop other problems right [TS]

  but at what the problem that we get this [TS]

  would be trying to solve is the problem [TS]

  of false recognition and the problem i [TS]

  think i think the the the the main [TS]

  selling point of it is that it would be [TS]

  addressing this perception that we have [TS]

  that we're all being surveilled all the [TS]

  time but like their cameras everywhere [TS]

  but right get your if you get held up in [TS]

  front of a convenience store and there [TS]

  are five cameras pointed at you and you [TS]

  say the guy [TS]

  help me up right here and they're all [TS]

  this all this footage of it nine times [TS]

  out of ten i think the cops are like [TS]

  well you know it's a minor crime and we [TS]

  don't have the resources to devote to a [TS]

  you know looking at every CCTV mean it [TS]

  was it was like when I got robbed last [TS]

  year and they found that you know the [TS]

  neighboring Police Department found my [TS]

  stuff the next morning but they didn't [TS]

  have that's a terrific example that's a [TS]

  no rate example they didn't have the [TS]

  even the smock the small ability to to [TS]

  cross-reference well in this zip code a [TS]

  guy lost a tennis racket in that zip [TS]

  code we found a tennis racket [TS]

  what should we do well let's sell that [TS]

  tennis racket at an auction and will [TS]

  apologize profusely to the other guy [TS]

  it's just like come on you know so so [TS]

  yeah it's it it's trying to solve [TS]

  certain problems in policing with this [TS]

  new super super cops super Bobby's [TS]

  but yeah it would if it doesn't solve [TS]

  the problem of like well why did that [TS]

  could take the take the wallet but you [TS]

  wonder i mean and i think this is that [TS]

  this is this is a little bit star trekky [TS]

  now but like one of my big complaints [TS]

  about next generation and boy you should [TS]

  see the file of complaints about next [TS]

  generation i have i'm intrigued I've [TS]

  just started watching that program but [TS]

  one of my complaints is that the [TS]

  lighting what lines not very good [TS]

  no it's not the lighting it is that [TS]

  Ryker is very annoying to me i can like [TS]

  record well it's because Riker sort of [TS]

  resembles me [TS]

  oh sure and I don't like it yeah I don't [TS]

  get that it's uncanny valley people are [TS]

  like Oh Riker and I'm like no no no that [TS]

  is not the that record no I'm Riker [TS]

  that's not record but no my problem is [TS]

  that the idea of the premise of [TS]

  commander Troi is never really fully [TS]

  explored right here you see the empath [TS]

  yeah okay here's Troy she's an officer [TS]

  and she's and she's in this position [TS]

  because she has a superpower right now [TS]

  it's never suggested that Captain Picard [TS]

  or that Ryker are in their command jobs [TS]

  because they have super powers right [TS]

  there's no you never get us [TS]

  I mean they did well in command school [TS]

  wrangle wil Wheaton's character is [TS]

  precocious but yet but I'm sure that his [TS]

  father pulled some strings but here's [TS]

  Troy and she has this like this [TS]

  basically the psionic power [TS]

  she's she's a pro mutants right she's [TS]

  sort of almost x many but she's only [TS]

  used in that show to like as as like a [TS]

  glorified school psychologist right she [TS]

  sits down people she's like hi [TS]

  feeling that she has like space rap [TS]

  sessions yeah like is everything good [TS]

  right now I can sense that your feelings [TS]

  in a stressed or whatever energy like [TS]

  that [TS]

  what no like I it's absolutely right [TS]

  that there should be empaths and we know [TS]

  who they are in our own lives right who [TS]

  are who your most empathetic friend you [TS]

  know the people that have that ability [TS]

  and a lot of the time and i would say [TS]

  the majority of the time they are not [TS]

  people who actually become psychologists [TS]

  you know what I mean people the people [TS]

  who are best of politics do not become [TS]

  politicians that mean they do but [TS]

  they're boy they really shouldn't be [TS]

  there [TS]

  well right and the people to be in my [TS]

  experience that you guys that's the [TS]

  psychology and political science is [TS]

  where all the Nets go [TS]

  yeah yeah I mean there's a lot of cooks [TS]

  that become psychologists because they [TS]

  want you know they want to be that [TS]

  person they that they have this [TS]

  tremendous desire to be the intermediary [TS]

  they have a i think a lot of them start [TS]

  out i think a lot of the reason people [TS]

  sign up for classes freshman year was [TS]

  like I know I'm a bobsleigh mess i need [TS]

  to figure this out [TS]

  yeah and in the end up becoming a [TS]

  practitioner and anna and at like [TS]

  running for office i really do think [TS]

  that it is that that the perceived job [TS]

  of a psychologist to a freshman [TS]

  let's say is oh I get to sit in a [TS]

  position of authority people come in and [TS]

  they tell me their problems and I solve [TS]

  them [TS]

  now that's not what being a psychologist [TS]

  is her or grocery checkout clerk right [TS]

  it's a that's like that's i mean if you [TS]

  want that kind of authority over people [TS]

  you should join the army but those are [TS]

  but the people that gravitate toward [TS]

  that job or like make that initial error [TS]

  and the people who are sitting and [TS]

  saying like oh my friend is having a [TS]

  really bad day I came I can't you know I [TS]

  just can't go to work today I have to [TS]

  stay with my friend because she's really [TS]

  having a hard time it's like while [TS]

  you're taking a day off work because [TS]

  your friends having a bad day that's [TS]

  amazing like that is a that is a talents [TS]

  or a you know that's a mutant ability [TS]

  but so next generation I kept waiting [TS]

  for the storylines to I was competing [TS]

  for the Troy storylines 22 hey you know [TS]

  to like be really really crucial in the [TS]

  sense that she does have this special [TS]

  knowledge and special ability [TS]

  that's so much greater than just and i'm [TS]

  not saying she had I don't know who the [TS]

  writers of that show how they intended [TS]

  her to be but the whole premise that at [TS]

  that point in the future we would [TS]

  culturally recognize the importance of [TS]

  empaths and put them into an officer's [TS]

  job on a spacecraft it would suggest [TS]

  that the culture at the time understood [TS]

  impacts to be more meaningful than the [TS]

  than the writing of the show suggested [TS]

  right yeah I get it [TS]

  it'sit's you know they put her in the [TS]

  job of like that the others your it's [TS]

  like dash it sounds like you're also [TS]

  saying that the just narratively the [TS]

  juiciness of somebody like the the plot [TS]

  juiciness of somebody with that kind of [TS]

  ability wasn't fully utilized in the [TS]

  story is that right yes right right i [TS]

  mean in the i'm talking about just [TS]

  generally the next generation cosmology [TS]

  huh i will if you're going to if you're [TS]

  going to make the leap to say yes we [TS]

  have sentient robots children and [TS]

  empaths all having made it through [TS]

  officer candidate school and on the [TS]

  bridge of a spacecraft let's really [TS]

  explore why they're there and not just [TS]

  have them be you know like every once in [TS]

  a while they get their own episode for [TS]

  instance it wil wheaton if wil wheaton [TS]

  is a teenager who is what was his job [TS]

  like a pilot or something of the [TS]

  spaceship [TS]

  I don't know what was he precocious that [TS]

  well that's a don't know he could he is [TS]

  really smart you know where there was a [TS]

  dead body of the retrial sure what but [TS]

  uh what happens when you figure that out [TS]

  I never saw that movie got to get moving [TS]

  now it seems like it was for kids you [TS]

  should watch stranger things on Netflix [TS]

  don't have not [TS]

  Alex of TV him um yeah uh I I kept [TS]

  waiting on next-generation as they're [TS]

  walking down the halls like short and [TS]

  then they're walking down the halls [TS]

  their kind of doing a West Wing except [TS]

  on the spacecraft now I kept waiting for [TS]

  other crew members to be teenagers they [TS]

  caught talking track talking track but [TS]

  like how come there were no like will is [TS]

  not only he's not only this market he's [TS]

  the only smart kid that ever got into [TS]

  the air force that seems pretty weird if [TS]

  you're living in a world where a really [TS]

  smart kid could could get that far [TS]

  yeah why would there be why would they [TS]

  be like this market was it that wasn't i [TS]

  don't know i see that you're not very [TS]

  interested in my star trek know Mom a [TS]

  little interested i also know that [TS]

  mentioning anything about this is going [TS]

  to get you so much feedback about what [TS]

  you got wrong that i wish i could save [TS]

  you from yourself all you talk about it [TS]

  for Star Trek no effort Starchild ok [TS]

  let's look at let's get away from Star [TS]

  Trek them because you know our good [TS]

  friends madam frantic and Ben Harrison [TS]

  yes have an award-winning podcast they [TS]

  did they were phony nominated for that I [TS]

  think yeah that's right phony nominated [TS]

  podcast about a next-generation and it's [TS]

  such a it's so embarrassing i'm so [TS]

  embarrassed for them that it's popular [TS]

  um I i can't speak for my friends coming [TS]

  LT but my friends coming LT does a show [TS]

  called random track and I think he [TS]

  should really be on it i think people [TS]

  have mentioned this to you on the [TS]

  internet before but i really wish you [TS]

  would be on Scott show okay and so [TS]

  basically happens is a big wheel spins [TS]

  and a random episode of Star Trek is [TS]

  picked and then someone talks about it [TS]

  it could be somebody who's really into [TS]

  Star Trek or could be me in one case i [TS]

  was on an episode don't know anything [TS]

  about normal fuck-all about Star Trek [TS]

  but I think you would be if you be [TS]

  willing to spin the wheel I think you [TS]

  would be a nice asset for that program [TS]

  really you know about me that I am [TS]

  willing to spin the wheel my god or [TS]

  anything true train [TS]

  yeah let's let's just let's just spit [TS]

  ball now he has a second who come up [TS]

  with one superpower that you think is [TS]

  present in sort of a a1 derivation of [TS]

  mankind like it's like an undetected [TS]

  superpower that you wish that we tested [TS]

  for as a really good question and so [TS]

  like just to so like something where [TS]

  there's something that some people seem [TS]

  capable of that feels uncanny maybe and [TS]

  useful and you just don't have a simple [TS]

  way of explaining why they are so much [TS]

  better at a seemingly invisible talent [TS]

  than other people right kind of em I [TS]

  mean one of those this is not very funny [TS]

  but one of those is good judgment like [TS]

  some people seem to just and without [TS]

  being like you know there is not [TS]

  religious [TS]

  it's not philosophical and ethical but [TS]

  some people have a very like the same [TS]

  way you talk about being able to see [TS]

  kind of the tapestry of history like [TS]

  Indiana Jones warehouse i think some [TS]

  people have just a really built in sense [TS]

  of like what the best thing to do right [TS]

  now is yes that's a boring one but i [TS]

  don't know but that's when I look at [TS]

  people do you know what god you're so [TS]

  right that makes so much sense there's [TS]

  no risk associated with what you're [TS]

  saying and huge potentially huge payoff [TS]

  to interesting how do you miss your [TS]

  whole life he's walking around knowing [TS]

  what to do [TS]

  yeah you do that well and that what's [TS]

  crazy is in our culture we already have [TS]

  a job called judge but the people that [TS]

  get appointed to be judges have to go [TS]

  through this whole elaborate ph.d [TS]

  program and by the time you have been [TS]

  filtered all the way to sitting up on [TS]

  the bench and being a judge who knows [TS]

  what skills you have and I mean that the [TS]

  other part of this again i get so [TS]

  cynical but the other part of that is [TS]

  like it's back to the wire [TS]

  I mean it's like you're part of a system [TS]

  you are beholding to people to have that [TS]

  job in some way no matter I mean [TS]

  everybody who has a job like you always [TS]

  say even Bono has a boss everybody has [TS]

  somebody got to keep happy [TS]

  there's no way you could be completely [TS]

  neutral about something [TS]

  well but that's what's so interesting [TS]

  about the judge Wapner judge judy let's [TS]

  say judge john hodgman where they found [TS]

  you know in the case of Wapner and Judy [TS]

  they found jurists selling a terrible [TS]

  puppet show water and judy judy actually [TS]

  made the first rotary engine i didn't [TS]

  know that interesting the Watchers [TS]

  opportunity there was named after the [TS]

  sound admit fucking orgy reputable [TS]

  but uh you know like I have always felt [TS]

  again not that I have great judgment but [TS]

  i have i have the the talent my dad had [TS]

  with my mom used to say she would be she [TS]

  was because she was his she ran his [TS]

  office when he was in private practice [TS]

  and she would say she would read the [TS]

  brief of one side of this dispute and [TS]

  she would say well they have an iron [TS]

  iron tight case and then she'd read [TS]

  she'd read the other one she liked my [TS]

  cot they have an iron thank you know [TS]

  there's absolutely no way you is gonna [TS]

  be a stalemate an impasse there's no way [TS]

  they're both of these there's no way to [TS]

  decide who is right in this cuz they're [TS]

  there's just no deciding yeah and then [TS]

  my dad would waltz in incapable of [TS]

  filing things alphabetically incapable [TS]

  of working more than three hours a day [TS]

  you know like incapable not only a [TS]

  balancing a checkbook but of finding his [TS]

  checkbook but my dad waltz in read both [TS]

  things and say oh here's the solution to [TS]

  pimp and it would be like what and both [TS]

  parties would say I agree and they shake [TS]

  hands and the problem was resolved and [TS]

  my you know my mom still talks about it [TS]

  having been divorced from him now for 50 [TS]

  years or whatever 45 years she's like it [TS]

  was the most of it was the most [TS]

  incredible talent and he did it over and [TS]

  over and I could never figure out I [TS]

  would you know after having watched him [TS]

  do it i would read these things and i [TS]

  would try to apply his filter like retro [TS]

  actively go reverse engineer his [TS]

  decision [TS]

  yeah we're just you know like now I I've [TS]

  been doing this for a long time I know [TS]

  him intimately well what is he gonna do [TS]

  here [TS]

  I cannot see what he's going to do even [TS]

  though I know his process right now and [TS]

  walk in and read both things and it's [TS]

  not easy [TS]

  he wasn't even aware of it being a [TS]

  process is like old solutions plan alone [TS]

  and there's so many things i'm someone [TS]

  and again i'm not trying to be funny but [TS]

  I think they're things as simple as [TS]

  people who don't know if this comes out [TS]

  the case or smell or what or a different [TS]

  kind of judgment but people who are with [TS]

  a very little training are just very [TS]

  good cooks and no for example like just [TS]

  what would be appropriate as an [TS]

  ingredient as a dish as a component of a [TS]

  larger meal that's something silly 1i [TS]

  think that is kind of a special gift [TS]

  another one [TS]

  is that like I've seen this in some [TS]

  friends where there are some people who [TS]

  are who are unerringly kind and [TS]

  thoughtful and know just the right thing [TS]

  to do which again now to meet anybody [TS]

  else to a normal person who just liked [TS]

  by his palm our cars and sends them out [TS]

  of the coma tada [TS]

  but for me i look at that i go how do [TS]

  you know just the right thing to say to [TS]

  somebody when somebody in their family [TS]

  died and not sound like a dick [TS]

  how do you like you are on fucking [TS]

  vacation in Honduras and new to buy this [TS]

  particular to dollar item that somebody [TS]

  would treasure for the rest of their [TS]

  life you never even my friend Christine [TS]

  she's like that Kristina always present [TS]

  gift like how to just how you look [TS]

  did I don't like how do you do that how [TS]

  does your brain how do you like work for [TS]

  George Lucas and still have the ability [TS]

  to remember what all of your friends [TS]

  like and have it somewhere floating [TS]

  through your mind at a given time as [TS]

  something to act on that feels like [TS]

  magic to me that is the people that know [TS]

  exactly what gift to give are truly [TS]

  magicians and I think some of those [TS]

  right like i had a friend whose job it [TS]

  was to fill up the ipods of famous [TS]

  people write all this year we had that [TS]

  was she did Courtney Love's a ipod was [TS]

  our doesn't droop somebody's barrymore [TS]

  that's it you're very more uh and there [TS]

  are a lot of people i think in college [TS]

  who love music who think that their love [TS]

  of music has a special talent and very [TS]

  few people have like a supernatural [TS]

  understanding of how music works with [TS]

  one another you know the great djs like [TS]

  but but but there are a lot of people [TS]

  who want to be in music because they [TS]

  love music uh-huh and but and and I [TS]

  think there are people whose jobs are to [TS]

  be like gift buyers but it seems like [TS]

  such a it's such a bougie world where [TS]

  yes I live in you know I live on the [TS]

  outskirts of Beverly Hills and my job is [TS]

  to be a executive gift buyer for that's [TS]

  just that's how it evidence is itself in [TS]

  this culture right now because we don't [TS]

  have another way to harness their skills [TS]

  right if you but but think about the [TS]

  value of just like hang out your shingle [TS]

  death in in the sunset in San Francisco [TS]

  you open a storefront you graduate from [TS]

  Stanford announces I've decided on my [TS]

  career I'm gonna I'm gonna fill [TS]

  celebrity ipods well that you know but [TS]

  like take it out of the the world of [TS]

  rich people can imagine being somebody [TS]

  who's just like yeah hi i'll fill your [TS]

  ipod and i'll find gifts for your [TS]

  friends for a nominal fee and have and [TS]

  and have us culturally recognize that [TS]

  that is a skill and you no longer have [TS]

  to beat yourself up because you don't [TS]

  know what gifts to get people you just [TS]

  go to the gift buyer and that's a that's [TS]

  a legit just like letter-writing where [TS]

  you can hire somebody to write important [TS]

  letters for you [TS]

  yeah that's the thing and that seems I [TS]

  mean grant writer is one of the most [TS]

  incredible but the people that are great [TS]

  at writing grants and meet them all the [TS]

  time yeah we're like I love writing [TS]

  grants it's like really the thing that i [TS]

  would rather gouge out my eyeballs with [TS]

  us fucking fork then do all right love [TS]

  to do and they're like oh yeah give me [TS]

  some grants to write [TS]

  oh boy it's just like okay now I've [TS]

  really do feel like there are very very [TS]

  different species on this planet all [TS]

  masquerading as human if you love to [TS]

  write grants oh yeah I love writing and [TS]

  get them to write some more rock but the [TS]

  people that amazed me are the are the [TS]

  diffusers the people who are as somebody [TS]

  who finds it very difficult to diffuse a [TS]

  situation where there's where the [TS]

  tension is rising [TS]

  yeah those people that can just be that [TS]

  can that can take a really tense [TS]

  situation and then everything else on [TS]

  everybody's laughing yeah and you're [TS]

  like you can feel them in the room like [TS]

  exuding a kind of magic [TS]

  yeah what did you just do how did you [TS]

  just do that was something you feel [TS]

  everybody feels kind of small to make a [TS]

  big deal about it like wow this week [TS]

  until we deal with this [TS]

  yes this is this is not perfect but like [TS]

  wow this the temperature and barometric [TS]

  pressure of the room have completely [TS]

  changed with this person being here and [TS]

  they never condescended to anybody you [TS]

  don't feel like they're they're trying [TS]

  to get over on you and they don't even [TS]

  have to say hey you guys let's do to do [TS]

  it is more like there's sometimes people [TS]

  just have a certain kind of presence [TS]

  that brings up people's better angels [TS]

  and and so let's say a person that has [TS]

  that talent [TS]

  yeah they're also smart and they're all [TS]

  so personable and they're also you know [TS]

  like ambitious or whatever and they they [TS]

  go to college and they do well and they [TS]

  get a job at a at let's see [TS]

  let's call it [TS]

  let's say there's a business called [TS] that hires the second parking [TS]

  here and let's say they work their it's [TS]

  a very unusual name for a thing it would [TS]

  cut it conjures up the image of a river [TS]

  yeah very large river but he sells [TS]

  piranhas yeah just here watching piranha [TS]

  and like freshwater sharks and and [TS]

  leaves was just home leaves [TS]

  leaves was just home leaves [TS]

  please think about all the leaves and go [TS]

  down the Amazon I but so this person is [TS]

  working there in a in a capacity that is [TS]

  a that have some authority there they're [TS]

  managing a group of people and they're [TS]

  doing a really good job and every once [TS]

  in a while some situation arises between [TS]

  two employees and this person is there [TS]

  and it has a small subset of what they [TS]

  do as a manager they resolve this [TS]

  conflict and it's and everybody walks [TS]

  away feeling good right and we see this [TS]

  type of thing all the time [TS]

  oh my managers really good resolving [TS]

  conflicts but out there somewhere in [TS]

  that job is a super diffuser somebody [TS]

  who would be capable of resolving the [TS]

  resolving state conflict so they're like [TS]

  the wolf except for massive human [TS]

  disagreements [TS]

  yeah they have the ability they don't [TS]

  have asked that I Drive fast to get this [TS]

  thing settled let's get this thing [TS]

  though you get some Windex you get the [TS]

  sweatshirt has legs but like so there [TS]

  are people with that kind of stat that [TS]

  level of magic in resolving disputes but [TS]

  it's masked by their just general sort [TS]

  of talent and they end up in a job where [TS]

  they do well and they are doing a good [TS]

  job but we didn't find them we didn't [TS]

  find them and say you have this talent [TS]

  it's a super talent and where you where [TS]

  we need you really is in the State [TS]

  Department well and the thing or even [TS]

  like let's say that's an aspect of your [TS]

  job or because you know wow [TS]

  jennifer is super good at making [TS]

  everybody act like an adult without [TS]

  being condescending but maybe Jennifer's [TS]

  doesn't maybe that's not her main job [TS]

  maybe that's not how she's rewarded [TS]

  maybe that's not how she's acknowledged [TS]

  maybe that's not how she was recruited [TS]

  but that's not going to be something [TS]

  that necessarily if she's a corporate [TS]

  attorney who's merely a litigator that [TS]

  may come up a couple times here but if [TS]

  she's just there to be a bulldog and [TS]

  like screen the other side down that [TS]

  skill you know while being there may not [TS]

  be beneficial to her work well or even [TS]

  if it even if it really is a big part of [TS]

  why Jenna [TS]

  or became an executive vice president at [TS]

  let's say a company called apple right [TS]

  just wonder what you need lessly money [TS]

  in these examples of making people [TS]

  wonder who you're talking about Jennifer [TS]

  Jennifer Jennifer Jennifer letter friend [TS]

  that's the day that right but and we [TS]

  think of her as being extremely [TS]

  successful and of her problem solving [TS]

  ability of her a conflict resolution [TS]

  ability being a major component of what [TS]

  made her success there but we never knew [TS]

  was how gifted she was at that one thing [TS]

  and how much that gift actually [TS]

  overshadowed her management ability or [TS]

  her you know her usefulness to apple [TS]

  like she was she was the magneto of [TS]

  solving conflicts [TS]

  yeah but net but there was never an [TS]

  opportunity to see how truly gifted she [TS]

  was because she was you know she was [TS]

  given these simple things like oh well [TS]

  you know Bob said that Jim's plan is [TS]

  radio too loud and jim says that he was [TS]

  told you know that quietly after 11 [TS]

  yeah that was a stapler or whatever and [TS]

  she's like let me handle this and she [TS]

  does everybody like wow they got [TS]

  Jennifer's here but meanwhile you know [TS]

  what meanwhile the Stuxnet is dissolving [TS]

  centrifuges in Iran because we can't [TS]

  find a single person that can make sense [TS]

  of of the negotiation around the table [TS]

  like yeah [TS]

  Herman Blix or whatever isn't doing a [TS]

  good enough job and if we put Jennifer [TS]

  in there should be like oh listen he can [TS]

  play quietly after eleven you guys you [TS]

  guys can use these centrifuges to make [TS]

  you know to refine uranium but only the [TS]

  Jeffers up in a building full of nails [TS]

  where they just need another hammer see [TS]

  that's exactly right Jennifer and [TS]

  ability for nails haha [TS]

  haha actually gonna sell my balance [TS]

  Sebastian that was second [TS]

  mm I can't even do a fucking balance [TS]

  Sebastian impression she rides the desk [TS]

  she's the jockey of the dissolution [TS]

  friends of mine [TS]

  you're pretty good i got him she was the [TS]

  hammer of the building and a friend of [TS]

  mine uh you know what I think about it [TS]

  here's something people do that was [TS]

  probably the end but down i like i like [TS]

  it but i but i also like I also like the [TS]

  now there's much more to say but walk up [TS]

  this up but you know here's another [TS]

  thing I'm think about this when I I [TS]

  don't know about a word for this and it [TS]

  sounds creepy to even talk about it [TS]

  think about it but if there's a kind of [TS]

  I guess what you might consider [TS]

  retroactive or like forensic research [TS]

  you can do this goes back to something I [TS]

  was saying earlier like I do sometimes [TS]

  think like not just with crime but lots [TS]

  of other situations like is there a way [TS]

  to look at patterns of of some kind and [TS]

  see that oh my goodness [TS]

  given this set of conditions over this [TS]

  period of time people who do the [TS]

  following three things in this order [TS]

  before the age of 20 will almost [TS]

  inevitably do this one thing by the age [TS]

  of 50 like that very very abstract right [TS]

  huh [TS]

  like I think that's the thing i think [TS]

  that's I think that's a real thing and I [TS]

  think you know what you think about like [TS]

  a profile and current profile encourage [TS]

  talking like what were these common [TS]

  things people have but think about this [TS]

  like why I think one of the ways it [TS]

  seems to me we use that forensic ability [TS]

  is to identify i'm going to use the [TS]

  parlance here to identify at-risk [TS]

  children right so that's a phrase we use [TS]

  and what is that that's code is what [TS]

  that means is that we know that there [TS]

  are a set of conditions and that there's [TS]

  a set of consequent maybe behaviors that [TS]

  tend to lead kids to say you know get [TS]

  into crime sell drugs whatever the a's [TS]

  version of this is and if you're good [TS]

  this you can you can identify at-risk [TS]

  kids early and try to give them [TS]

  opportunities that will at least keep [TS]

  them from going the wrong way my sense [TS]

  is that there is some kind of a forensic [TS]

  thing they're beginning with where they [TS]

  live ordinary are they in an area with [TS]

  lots of you [TS]

  no as we used to say broken family like [TS]

  a living with her grandmother and [TS]

  there's not a lot of money and not much [TS]

  supervision maybe they're in a foster [TS]

  home i bet there are seven things that [TS]

  you go wow if this 12 year old black kid [TS]

  in Philadelphia meets all seven of these [TS]

  criteria we really need to keep our eye [TS]

  on that guy and I I suspect that's the [TS]

  way that you could use that kind of [TS]

  forensic research and I guess I'm just [TS]

  wondering now like is there something [TS]

  more positive is there an opportunity [TS]

  thing that we could do right like how do [TS]

  we how do we go and identified that the [TS]

  magneto of empathy somewhere in [TS]

  Philadelphia I and that that is that [TS]

  that's the million-dollar question right [TS]

  how do we do [TS]

  how do we do this positively without [TS]

  without it becoming a test for who [TS]

  doesn't get to be a conference at [TS]

  precisely right yeah yeah yeahs division [TS]

  this is not meant to be an exclusionary [TS]

  think it's just that you know if this is [TS]

  what we have to do testing with then it [TS]

  is going to be selective in a way that's [TS]

  going to be exclude people [TS]

  yeah yeah there's a in music i was i was [TS]

  walking down a a the aisle of the store [TS]

  the other day and it was the third time [TS]

  in a row i heard squeeze like each of [TS]

  the following each of the prior three [TS]

  days i heard squeeze playing somewhere [TS]

  in the store and you know about the [TS]

  third time you squeeze three days in a [TS]

  row you're like what's going on some [TS]

  sound like a message some kind of [TS]

  squeeze quickening but we are ready for [TS]

  the anchorman I was like coffee in bed [TS]

  listening to squeeze I'm what I come the [TS]

  a black cat what am I to the store and I [TS]

  suddenly heard in squeeze the echo or [TS]

  rather the the pre echo the pre verb who [TS]

  of a songwriter that I used to love here [TS]

  in Seattle his name is Rob Benson he was [TS]

  a great songwriter a very great pop [TS]

  songwriter and he was super influenced [TS]

  by squeeze and you know in the way that [TS]

  people used to say like always really [TS]

  influenced by XTC and squeeze you could [TS]

  hear the influences but there was a [TS]

  certain passage of squeeze right was [TS]

  like if you know if it if I didn't [TS]

  already know this was squeezing I would [TS]

  have thought it was a Robinson song [TS]

  and it started me thinking about Rob who [TS]

  was one of the most talented of all of [TS]

  us just a natural milad assist a great [TS]

  vocalist and he just didn't he didn't [TS]

  make it all the way through to the big [TS]

  show you know for whatever reason yeah [TS]

  there's a lot of stories like that there [TS]

  Bette well there are and and the thing [TS]

  is that the name flop like shouldn't [TS]

  flop in bigger shop flop should have [TS]

  been a lot bigger and for whatever [TS]

  reason wasn't and you see you come to [TS]

  think of it and it's it particularly if [TS]

  you have if you've made it over to the [TS]

  other side a little bit you think of it [TS]

  as like well you just have to it just [TS]

  things people get weeded out right [TS]

  it's not it's not a pure meritocracy [TS]

  shrug you know you know that there were [TS]

  there were a lot of ways in which rob [TS]

  was a like one of the best frontmen but [TS]

  Rob could never quite figure out how to [TS]

  work his amp or what you know there were [TS]

  always things about it was like well you [TS]

  know that you that was an opportunity [TS]

  that you guys could have taken a little [TS]

  bit more aggressively and for whatever [TS]

  reason you didn't so that's the reason [TS]

  that's the Y so within music and the [TS]

  arts and I think in business and in the [TS]

  army [TS]

  there's a sense that like well that the [TS]

  the cream ribes rises to the top and [TS]

  it's not always the guy that's the best [TS]

  singer or the best sergeant or the best [TS]

  banker but it's a competitive enough [TS]

  process and hard enough to get through [TS]

  that the people that do get there they [TS]

  might not have been the most gifted but [TS]

  they're definitely not dummies you know [TS]

  like it was hard they got there but the [TS]

  the stuff we're talking about which is [TS]

  like well if if the magneto of problem [TS]

  solve and decided at a young age they [TS]

  wanted to be a guitar player and they [TS]

  were good guitar player and got far [TS]

  enough along that it seemed like they [TS]

  were on their way to the show and then [TS]

  they didn't make it and then frustrated [TS]

  and defeated by that they went to work [TS]

  at [TS]

  at a warehouse like we triple quadruple [TS]

  missed an opportunity [TS]

  yeah just happens that sports a [TS]

  warehouse was hiring yeah right and so [TS]

  all these tests that were giving to [TS]

  elementary school kids which are like [TS]

  how well did the teacher put these [TS]

  spelling lessons into your brain and how [TS]

  you know how able are you two to [TS]

  regurgitate them when we could be saying [TS]

  okay everybody today here's what we're [TS]

  going to do match the faces and [TS]

  everybody takes the test and it's like [TS]

  oh but we're not looking to grade in [TS]

  anybody [TS]

  we're just looking for the one kid in [TS]

  the school who gets a perfect score [TS]

  it's like what like Ender's Game four [TS]

  men in black like you know there's all [TS]

  these these elites have been trained all [TS]

  of their life but like we're gonna find [TS]

  this one kid is going to go into the [TS]

  system [TS]

  yeah the one kid that's like a super [TS]

  recognizer and then we're just like hey [TS]

  you know Janet would you like to come [TS]

  with you remember me [TS]

  yes Morse idea that's right would you [TS]

  like to come with with the Barton he'd [TS]

  like to show you a special room that and [TS]

  Janice like okay and barton walked down [TS]

  the hall and partners like Janet would [TS]

  like to initiate you into a special [TS]

  program out here you know and it and you [TS]

  just like okay well Janet's not in [TS]

  school with us anymore but now we're [TS]

  gonna play some more games hey here's a [TS]

  problem who can solve this problem to [TS]

  the simulation one kid is like well the [TS]

  answer is simple is about and they're [TS]

  like how Elijah would you like to come [TS]

  with Barton and we have to go talk to [TS]

  your parents and the danger of course is [TS]

  that all the people that are left in the [TS]

  school that did not test out into [TS]

  anything interesting are all just now it [TS]

  there in some 1984 hellscape where it's [TS]

  like okay well you know or her like [TS]

  Brazil you keep trying to get more desk [TS]

  pulling your desk through the wall or [TS]

  less even animal house that I always [TS]

  reference like it is madden but but you [TS]

  know 222222 call the people [TS]

  we are truly gifted oh it's just so as [TS]

  soon as I use the word call you know [TS]

  that's what it's so fraught with me [TS]

  almost like you Jenica l'√©nergie we [TS]

  talked before about that can be in the [TS]

  age before we came along you call the [TS]

  gifted class [TS]

  yeah and then you have to come up with [TS]

  all these squarely names in my case of [TS]

  differentiated educational opportunities [TS]

  or de Oh what they called it but it's my [TS]

  gift it's not advance its CEO it's a [TS]

  technology [TS]

  yeah okay well they called it program [TS]

  for academically and creatively talented [TS]

  or pack nice but then uh then I think [TS]

  but initially the first program was [TS]

  called dig which was I don't know dicey [TS]

  that's one of those ones where it could [TS]

  mean either way at my kids school they [TS]

  have a program called roar which is for [TS]

  the opposite kind of direction right you [TS]

  want to try and yeah but yeah so how do [TS]

  you balance this with like the sense [TS]

  that all men are created equal and and [TS]

  and women included [TS]

  uh-huh uh-huh everyone and Thomas [TS]

  Jefferson I'm gonna compelling doesn't [TS]

  include women in the sequel all men and [TS]

  women included plus men everybody right [TS]

  not just the way you don't need a TV to [TS]

  listen to Hamilton you don't even need a [TS]

  TV I get it I get it from you and from [TS]

  hodgman and I've heard almost every song [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  give me 15 minutes and i will change [TS]

  your life [TS]

  iron Adam Savage talking about it haha [TS]

  just a moment just a moment it's coming [TS]

  at me from all sides I feel like going [TS]

  drowning in a bucket on my network put [TS]

  up putting pool of pudding is handled [TS]

  so Janet and eat from what's-his-name [TS]

  bar and Elijah Elijah and party with [TS]

  Barton they're taking tender out and [TS]

  putting them in the Academy with [TS]

  Harrison Ford pardons job he's three [TS]

  sleep in town is to not scare kids as he [TS]

  takes them down a hallway and he's that [TS]

  he's the one he's the anti clown and [TS]

  unfortunately he sounds like exactly [TS]

  like Bob Odenkirk in the sketch right [TS]

  Ted the people that you told me idea [TS]

  please don't kill me we mention it every [TS]

  week for all you know I want again i [TS]

  watch the game like I know I didn't do i [TS]

  what was I watching the other day I said [TS]

  it's sean i was like i miss watching TV [TS]

  with you [TS]

  oh god you're right you know not being [TS]

  creepy around kids and we'll just do a [TS]

  lightning round [TS]

  what are some other ones what are some [TS]

  other super abilities [TS]

  uh-uh no where to go for dinner [TS]

  oh my god you could hire somebody whose [TS]

  only job was to tell you that and not [TS]

  you know that and they're not getting [TS]

  any kickbacks it's not another lady we [TS]

  don't think they just go ahead you know [TS]

  what's gonna get those a green noodles [TS]

  we like yeah you know would be perfect [TS]

  tonight is the is a little bit of [TS]

  ethiopian food I didn't even think of me [TS]

  I never would have thought of that [TS]

  yeah there's those that puts a lot of [TS]

  these come down to you know like I'm [TS]

  always mentioning perfect pitch because [TS]

  that fascinates me because i don't have [TS]

  perfect pitch [TS]

  i have i have the kind of picture even [TS]

  though I'm not a good singer like I can [TS]

  frequently start singing the song [TS]

  because it's kind of playing in my head [TS]

  like I know I don't I couldn't tell you [TS]

  what he just started him [TS]

  yeah like I can start singing like I [TS]

  know this is how talk about talk about [TS]

  the passion is indie and this is how it [TS]

  starts [TS]

  not sure about the past and got that uh [TS]

  Dunc down that's probably pretty close [TS]

  check it out [TS]

  um not gonna become more will now run [TS]

  that through a meter and tell you that [TS]

  was a deep I please don't do that I want [TS]

  I have what I want I want I want I want [TS]

  an ethicist there are people who [TS]

  understand that that not everything is [TS]

  black and white and there are people [TS]

  that understand that the fact that [TS]

  things are not black and white is not [TS]

  confusing it doesn't you know there are [TS]

  a lot of sides to every story but [TS]

  so like their lives of omission that are [TS]

  better than the truth sometimes there [TS]

  are you know they're there are [TS]

  conditions and solutions are there there [TS]

  there is an ethical path there's a [TS]

  there's a best practice and you know a [TS]

  lot of time we live in a place we live [TS]

  we live in a world where the people that [TS]

  tell the truth all the time presume a a [TS]

  like a moral superiority and if you tell [TS]

  a little white lie or you you know you [TS]

  kind of prevaricate a little bit you [TS]

  feel guilty about it even if it's even [TS]

  if it feels expedient and then you come [TS]

  out of it saying like well we got you [TS]

  know we got the project accomplished i [TS]

  had to tell Bob that that we needed him [TS]

  off-site that day when in fact we just [TS]

  wanted him not to be here and the [TS]

  problem is that people that that [TS]

  privilege social expediency well people [TS]

  that people that say complete honesty is [TS]

  the highest good you know a lot of those [TS]

  people are kind of sociopath right now [TS]

  complete honesty is not always that [TS]

  there is a reason that there's lying and [TS]

  it's you know like if it right if [TS]

  complete honesty were just a pure good [TS]

  i'm happy that you like your baby but it [TS]

  is a grotesquerie yes your your child is [TS]

  the second ugliest baby I've ever seen [TS]

  the first ugliest baby was a was just a [TS]

  little uglier than your I realized that [TS]

  if I told you it was the ugliest baby [TS]

  I've ever seen you would not realize [TS]

  that I have seen many many ugly babies [TS]

  and I know them well enough to say that [TS]

  yours is the second ugliest which is to [TS]

  say a very very ugly baby right value [TS]

  honesty hello hello [TS]

  but you know my problem personally is [TS]

  that if I learned as a young person to [TS]

  obfuscate [TS]

  my movements it [TS]

  hmm alright that's like we're not just [TS]

  talking about jumping out of a train to [TS]

  last minute [TS]

  no I what when you talk about codes and [TS]

  dog whistles I'm a little bit in a sense [TS]

  that it was if somebody said where did [TS]

  you do last night and it and it was a [TS]

  simple question I would and continue to [TS]

  uh would often answer [TS]

  oh I went to the movies last night when [TS]

  in fact i went to the library haha [TS]

  classic misdirection that's right and in [TS]

  fact and this has been pointed out to me [TS]

  a thousand times in fact saying i went [TS]

  to the library was actually like cool [TS]

  thing to say [TS]

  um singing oh I went to the library was [TS]

  at least a conversation starter [TS]

  what we doing at the library i was just [TS]

  reading why would you say you went to [TS]

  the movies [TS]

  well the answer is i did just didn't [TS]

  want people to know ya what I was doing [TS]

  yeah i totally agree but the problem [TS]

  people not too many things about people [TS]

  well they do yeah and I got into that [TS]

  habit as a young person and and I think [TS]

  motivated by a desire not to be [TS]

  completely known motivated by not be [TS]

  knowable not to be Noble and not to you [TS]

  know i'm not motivated by a sort of [TS]

  introverted desire to be separate a [TS]

  little bit and and to be contained [TS]

  you know or or to not just be at like [TS]

  accessible to everybody but the problem [TS]

  is as I've gotten older how that habit [TS]

  and instinct really gets in the way of [TS]

  being intimate with people [TS]

  hmm because when somebody that you're [TS]

  intimate with says where did you go [TS]

  yesterday and you say i went to the [TS]

  movies and they say that's weird because [TS]

  I just bumped into our mutual friend and [TS]

  they said they saw you at the library [TS]

  bomb [TS]

  you know and yeah I do and I'm like uh [TS]

  and then they say why are you lying and [TS]

  the and the the premise is online [TS]

  because i'm covering something up and [TS]

  i'm not i'm just that's that's that's [TS]

  the point of spycraft that's right right [TS]

  i mean no no if you only live once [TS]

  something to cover up to be a terrible [TS]

  spy [TS]

  yeah right you get off the plane you [TS]

  assume you're being followed plausible [TS]

  deniability to write but but it but it [TS]

  actually is becoming a major issue in my [TS]

  life right now because I don't know how [TS]

  to charm a full-grown man I have [TS]

  responsibilities but they're sometimes I [TS]

  just say that I am doing one thing when [TS]

  i'm doing another just to preserve that [TS]

  feeling of of uh what feels very safe to [TS]

  me secure that feeling that I that you [TS]

  know not everybody knows what i'm doing [TS]

  and i would love to sit down with like [TS]

  somebody that has a superpower of being [TS]

  able to know being able to stores [TS]

  resolve that problem for me right this [TS]

  is a major issue and it seems like a [TS]

  minor ten tiny little thing where they [TS]

  could they could find a way for you to [TS]

  be how to put this less dishonest but [TS]

  still be able to have the sense of [TS]

  security [TS]

  I'm trying to try to freeze on a very [TS]

  general way because i don't know what [TS]

  the solution is but it would involve you [TS]

  feeling better other people feeling [TS]

  better but you still maintaining [TS]

  something important to you [TS]

  yeah because my whole life people that [TS]

  are close mirror want to be close to me [TS]

  have said well the solution to it is [TS]

  that you just start telling me what [TS]

  you're doing and I go yeah easy let's [TS]

  slow your roll [TS]

  I know I know and they're like well if [TS]

  you know if you loved me you would you [TS]

  would you wouldn't feel like you need to [TS]

  be apart for me it's like well hold on [TS]

  now like I love my mom I feel like I [TS]

  want to be apart from her like an easy [TS]

  easy you know and and and but I carry a [TS]

  lot of guilt because because yeah I hear [TS]

  what you're saying i'm not trying to [TS]

  exclude you from me right and so but but [TS]

  this is a kind of ethical problem that [TS]

  doesn't rise up to the level of [TS]

  like let's go to let's ask my priest or [TS]

  let's get you guys some tips from [TS]

  Jennifer or Janet yeah or somebody was [TS]

  like oh I feel I feel this situation [TS]

  here they see they see it just it's like [TS]

  somebody who can like saw the word [TS]

  search to just look at it and boom it's [TS]

  just jumping right out I'm they would [TS]

  see that goal obviously here's one way [TS]

  you can do that [TS]

  yeah small-scale spiritual counseling [TS]

  that doesn't require that I tall I like [TS]

  that right [TS]

  whoo-hoo are then there are those people [TS]

  all around us [TS]

  whoo-hoo just have that ability and I [TS]

  call you know I call my sister who is [TS]

  very very uh she has she's very intense [TS]

  into the world of emotion but you know [TS]

  she's coming at it from a place of super [TS]

  intensity like you know get to know [TS]

  yourself break out break down all the [TS]

  walls burn your burn your body and a [TS]

  pyre rise up as a Phoenix and I'm like [TS]

  yes I yes I do want to do that but I [TS]

  also just want to just I kind of just [TS]

  want to get my fingers around this [TS]

  little issue of like I want to be close [TS]

  to people i don't want them to feel I'm [TS]

  excluding them but somehow i'm [TS]

  constantly habitually telling little T [TS]

  me lies of omission just to keep a [TS]

  buffer between me and everybody [TS]

  interesting and you know I just want a [TS]

  little friend to say a little superpower [TS]

  is sniffing out little eyes too [TS]

  that's absolutely true there are people [TS]

  you can lie to all day and they're just [TS]

  like carpenter petal means I'll just [TS]

  figure it out [TS]

  yeah terrible judge of character and i [TS]

  can tell when people are I can't tell [TS]

  anything you can tell when somebody's [TS]

  lying to you i can tell us i could tell [TS]

  when somebody I feel like I can tell [TS]

  when somebody is nervously bullshitting [TS]

  me for reasons but now I just I don't [TS]

  know I just I just throw my hands [TS]

  these are all stupid that all of these [TS]

  are require some ability to see a [TS]

  situation in a way other people do not [TS]

  and to identify a solution that's really [TS]

  not obvious [TS]

  yeah or not obvious to the people that [TS]

  don't have yours your talent are you [TS]

  still there [TS]

  no I'm still here unless an ipod and [TS]

  pausing the fucking podcast because next [TS]

  door for the next two months [TS]

  we're going to apparently be banging on [TS]

  the wall all day long hear that yeah [TS]

  yeah I was wondering if you were playing [TS]

  the bongos more coffee [TS]

  however the other was stones they were [TS]

  there they were blowing up stones in the [TS]

  floor and carrying the mountain and [TS]

  dropping them what are they they're [TS]

  going to turn it into a really cool [TS]

  little oyster bar or something I [TS]

  couldn't say [TS]

  right right right oh that's right course [TS]

  because if you said yes [TS]

  my problem is I lie and then identify [TS]

  that I just like that's my super skill [TS]

  no it's not [TS]

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