Roderick on the Line

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◼   ► [Music]

◼   ► hello hi John hi Merlin was going oh

◼   ► good good good happy monday thank you

◼   ► happy mondays

◼   ► yeah um are you good

◼   ► yes you have any and exciting new Apple

◼   ► events well i'm reporting live from the

◼   ► floor here at the major apple event may

◼   ► be beating we have updated the terms of

◼   ► service

◼   ► yes I've seen it it's amazing it's

◼   ► amazing that you agree

◼   ► what choice do I have whoa-oh what you

◼   ► got

◼   ► I just agreed and you wouldn't believe

◼   ► what happened no you have to be a

◼   ► millennium to understand this breakup

◼   ► story you have to be a nineties kid to

◼   ► know how to use iOS 10 is tens need to

◼   ► send you some stickers

◼   ► listen I haven't upgraded yet know and I

◼   ► keep hearing about it

◼   ► oh it was problematic no no no the

◼   ► opposite

◼   ► oh it's amazing like like Buddha and

◼   ► somebody says oh sorry i was just

◼   ► watching my phone like tell me my own

◼   ► future and I was like wow does it do

◼   ► that

◼   ► yeah you're probably doing is just

◼   ► taking messages from people that say set

◼   ► with lasers be getting that were sent

◼   ► with confetti

◼   ► mhm no I'm gotten that yet i'm doing how

◼   ► r l talk about i'm walking down the

◼   ► street with people IRL who lurk durban

◼   ► yet on phone and it's like why you here

◼   ► even lurp more than you normally do

◼   ► it's fun it's really fun hey is that now

◼   ► let me ask you this is a resolution

◼   ► higher they increase the resolution from

◼   ► 1028 peepees to 400,000 let's get the

◼   ► update you'll see it sets about 1029

◼   ► peepees uh-huh yeah you want to get as

◼   ► many cookies as you can on screen that's

◼   ► why it's waterproof the it's a lot of

◼   ► fun

◼   ► there's a lot of neat stuff this is uh a

◼   ► except for you who seems like poison

◼   ► with electronics it's a fantastic very

◼   ► solid update suit

◼   ► yeah that's the stickers are fun there's

◼   ► a there's a there's lots of stickers and

◼   ► and and then there's and there's an app

◼   ► you can get where you can remember your

◼   ► favorite animated gifs and easily add

◼   ► them from any of your devices really you

◼   ► can you can add gifts mm-hmm

◼   ► just click so I'm gonna do a good gift

◼   ► yeah well you know I've always this is

◼   ► minus thirty secret yeah always been

◼   ► confused by how to make and save and

◼   ► store gifts yes well the Photos app does

◼   ► not handle them well or consistently

◼   ► right huh

◼   ► but I don't even know how to begin ok

◼   ► I've tried to save some and then it

◼   ► saves it as like four thousand pictures

◼   ► no it's no good you know what that but I

◼   ► can never get it just play again

◼   ► mm there's some there's some writing

◼   ► encryption me and you know it's weird

◼   ► because sometimes you know i'll just

◼   ► copy and paste the link and sometimes it

◼   ► works and sometimes it goes to a page

◼   ► and sometimes but you know start up

◼   ► start off easy start easy easy that's

◼   ► what I'm gonna start start off do you

◼   ► back your phone up John I I should

◼   ► probably ask the software feedback phone

◼   ► up to me and do I back that phone you

◼   ► back that up

◼   ► ball ball ball ball and hip-hop song uh

◼   ► i think it is a reference to an idea

◼   ► back to the throne of part of ecology

◼   ► get a little plug or get a little iCloud

◼   ► back the phone up

◼   ► mhm have you ever had someone back and

◼   ► ass up to you

◼   ► oh uh i was at a bachelor party one time

◼   ► that I'd love to forget your hat now you

◼   ► know you even said those words I want to

◼   ► forget

◼   ► yeah i still think about it once a month

◼   ► and I i shudder at 10 what did terrible

◼   ► things at that and I didn't enjoy it

◼   ► spend a little more than I should it

◼   ► wasn't fun i iu we've been in a strip

◼   ► club together right

◼   ► yes you know it's not my thing I know it

◼   ► isn't you you i think i am probably the

◼   ► greatest I'm the one they should have

◼   ► dollars put into his underpants because

◼   ► it's quite a show to watch how

◼   ► manifestly uncomfortable I am and I

◼   ► can't even begin to hide it

◼   ► if i can recall correctly you sit with

◼   ► your knees together pressed together

◼   ► with briefcase on your lap and I don't

◼   ► mean like flat on your lap I mean

◼   ► standing up like popcorn yet with your

◼   ► hand that's what your hands on the lock

◼   ► yeah just waiting for the waiting to

◼   ► look looking through the gloom for an

◼   ► exit time

◼   ► yeah if it's a lot like my posture from

◼   ► my early days of going to Amateur improv

◼   ► shows right just kind of have this this

◼   ► rictus of a smile on my face as i gently

◼   ► rock back and forth haha alright I'm

◼   ► gonna need something you find about room

◼   ► and it's a topping and while we can

◼   ► comfortably now to know my god you know

◼   ► dick jokes are funny just do dick jokes

◼   ► but i'll try to make that improv

◼   ► boop-boop-boop-boop Nick and go tell me

◼   ► this

◼   ► yes you there do you do you remember

◼   ► your dreams

◼   ► yes you do yes you wake up in the

◼   ► morning and you remember your dreams i

◼   ► can remember my dream from last night

◼   ► and you remember it clearly

◼   ► parts of it there's an entire episode of

◼   ► the show John syracuse about this

◼   ► because he is utterly perplexed by why

◼   ► anybody would want to remember and

◼   ► record the SE calls it brain garbage

◼   ► that his dreams i'm intrigued by dreams

◼   ► i don't find meaningful but i'm

◼   ► intrigued by them like for example last

◼   ► night i was eating fast food and I had

◼   ► made friends with a comically large

◼   ► fuzzy bear and the bear walked in front

◼   ► of the restaurant was in and wave to me

◼   ► and had the voice of Leslie Jones so

◼   ► that's a nice feeling for me I like

◼   ► listen Jen dream

◼   ► why would you be pals with with a big

◼   ► grizzly bear the talk Leslie Jones I am

◼   ► I don't know that bear but yeah that's

◼   ► wonderful and it do dreams fade

◼   ► throughout the day so by the end of the

◼   ► day you're kinda like and it was a bear

◼   ► named chocolate Leslie Jones but early

◼   ► on me

◼   ► curious aj lee curious about this get a

◼   ► little bit i'm fucking really curious ok

◼   ► yes uh what happens is i will have

◼   ► dreams very intense training for what

◼   ► feels like a long time and then I wake

◼   ► up and I've been made a practice of

◼   ► trying to go back into the dream and I

◼   ► have a methodology that i use for that

◼   ► but to answer your question specifically

◼   ► yes it does faith through the day but

◼   ► Allah the phenomenon of 11 primacy and

◼   ► recency i'm not sure i remember dreams

◼   ► from the night before as i'm going to

◼   ► sleep sometimes

◼   ► oh you know what I mean not primacy and

◼   ► recency what it's called

◼   ► look at your local sprint I it's when

◼   ► you're able to remember a dream but no

◼   ► they must be fate sometimes I write them

◼   ► down and they're very very silly how

◼   ► successful have you been in pursuing a

◼   ► lucid dreaming strategy ec not very we

◼   ► should talk to our friend grant about

◼   ► this because I think grant made quite a

◼   ► study of this a long time and knows lots

◼   ► about it you're talking about grand ball

◼   ► for the floor

◼   ► yeah you south africa south african

◼   ► Germanic tribe and I have been very

◼   ► actually I hate to admit it because you

◼   ► know and I feel like we're getting more

◼   ► jalan territory a little bit more jalan

◼   ► ya but I I'm yeah I'm very interested in

◼   ► that idea cause probably it's I mean I

◼   ► accept the idea that what we call a

◼   ► dream I just as my daughter and is

◼   ► trying to describe like the you know

◼   ► that what what i mean by brain garbage

◼   ► which is that you bring you know your

◼   ► mom your mind is a brain is doing lots

◼   ► of filing and lots of people going out

◼   ► yeah if you're sleeping enough stuff is

◼   ► happening and the thing is it's not

◼   ► garbage in the sense that it all useless

◼   ► images but it is a fairly weird soon as

◼   ► i understand it fairly weird random

◼   ► synaptic mismatch like why did I

◼   ► suddenly think of this person that I met

◼   ► one time yeah 92 in a drunk drunk drunk

◼   ► in bed spring garbage that fascinated by

◼   ► it

◼   ► did you ever work in her in like a in a

◼   ► job where you filed things

◼   ► yes right you're good at this you could

◼   ► always find amazing lots file yeah i

◼   ► could write amazing class file well I

◼   ► just think of it as like files files

◼   ► files on you know its files all the way

◼   ► down

◼   ► mvi find it there's certain kinds of

◼   ► things i think this is one way in which

◼   ► you and I

◼   ► are probably more alike than different

◼   ► there are certain kinds of what other

◼   ► people consider mindless tasks that I

◼   ► really enjoy i enjoy sorting Legos

◼   ► oh yeah always black just sit just when

◼   ► you just said that yeah I realized that

◼   ► there's an emptiness in me how well we

◼   ► sort them all we sort them by size will

◼   ► sort them by color while we sort them by

◼   ► kit we sort them by how often they're

◼   ► used without sort of like the right

◼   ► that's lame I know but I mean we take

◼   ► the little things that could be used as

◼   ► lights are flowers and put them into

◼   ► this little of this little of tackle box

◼   ► that I don't have a zero this i don't

◼   ► have a bit of Legos so right now so I

◼   ► don't have a tackle box

◼   ► Oh as you know I have several several

◼   ► tackle box style boxes

◼   ► yes full of political pins and other

◼   ► things that probably many of our friends

◼   ► would consider garbage but these are

◼   ► your cigar box type system

◼   ► well except i have other i have larger

◼   ► boxes bigger than cigar boxes that are

◼   ► not meant for like tied flies exactly

◼   ► but like you but there but they are

◼   ► there are cut different from like

◼   ► somebody's a little wooden wall

◼   ► decoration where they keep all their

◼   ► symbols like we're not talking about

◼   ► like a like a box on the wall boxes what

◼   ► we call that doesn't look that good

◼   ► yeah some kind of display memento mori

◼   ► uh yeah I know you're very popular

◼   ► culture their ménage when we were kids

◼   ► those are very popular we had some

◼   ► friends that had 14 there late lamented

◼   ► dog and a photo and his favorite chew

◼   ► toy and that was on the wall

◼   ► yeah and the the symbol remember in this

◼   ► in the seventies people displayed their

◼   ► symbols or there you know the the little

◼   ► uns spoons right or the bells that you

◼   ► would get in truck stops yes

◼   ► gates you need a box for that stuff well

◼   ► this my collections if you if if you'll

◼   ► allow me he seemed not in those but in a

◼   ► similar like structure but it has a

◼   ► glass lid so so you can see the stuff

◼   ► but it's under glass

◼   ► and I don't mount them on the wall I

◼   ► keep them stacked Oh like you know like

◼   ► a like a modified little map rack but

◼   ► miniature I like the sound of that full

◼   ► of pins who but I don't have I have I

◼   ► have not solved the legos conundrum

◼   ► uh-huh because legos our thing obviously

◼   ► to me as they are to you and to everyone

◼   ► and I I desperately want Legos in my

◼   ► life again i think probably seventy

◼   ► percent of the reason i was excited

◼   ► about having a kid was that I could get

◼   ► legos back in my life

◼   ► it trains and legos trains and legos

◼   ► uh-huh

◼   ► but when i go to the store to shop for

◼   ► legos when I go to the lego store to

◼   ► shop for legs when I make pilgrimages to

◼   ► lego places

◼   ► uh-huh i become so confused and baffled

◼   ► and dismayed by what i find that Lego

◼   ► stores by which i mean they're Shh

◼   ► fucking shit tastic expensive

◼   ► yeah it is they're entirely built around

◼   ► kit this brainless a whole like brand

◼   ► and marketing thing that like I I don't

◼   ► want to build an Eiffel Tower I want a

◼   ► box of legos and and then you can go to

◼   ► those places where they have the legos

◼   ► independently in bins they're like

◼   ► fourteen dollars apiece and incredibly

◼   ► costly and uh and so I don't know where

◼   ► to begin i wander around the lego store

◼   ► for like two and a half hours i pull

◼   ► things down and like if I took this like

◼   ► Lego princess castle apart would i be

◼   ► able or can you make other things with

◼   ► them and then I i leave empty-handed

◼   ► I've gone online yeah and I've said sell

◼   ► me your 1979 like like wash tub full of

◼   ► legos which is what I'm imagining IV is

◼   ► but I've never pulled the trigger on one

◼   ► of them

◼   ► are you looking more at first of all if

◼   ► you'll permit me I will I will gift you

◼   ► with something today i will send it to

◼   ► you through the Amazon like I'd like to

◼   ► do that for you are you interested in

◼   ► just a whole bunch of classic like what

◼   ► eight nubbin legos that kind of thing

◼   ► you want classic bricks you're not

◼   ► looking for a lot of Liberty tivity

◼   ► that's correct

◼   ► ok Oh was looking at right here it's a

◼   ► good one is the lego classic large

◼   ► creative brick box this is 790 pieces

◼   ► looks like a lock it comes with a lot of

◼   ► standard old stop bricks many different

◼   ► colors it comes with wheels

◼   ► it comes with screens it comes with

◼   ► windows and doors you can make houses

◼   ► that's nice but it's just a big-ass box

◼   ► shaped like a Lego that has 790 pieces

◼   ► in so okay i'm gonna give you that to

◼   ► start and I like to give to you with the

◼   ► classics and base plate on which you can

◼   ► build these things

◼   ► Santa blaze oh so it's sand-colored

◼   ► being the big green 12

◼   ► yeah but you'll also need to jerk did

◼   ► your daughter get into duplo at all

◼   ► well we did get into duplo and we built

◼   ► things out of duplo several princess

◼   ► castles as you can imagine yeah yeah we

◼   ► built she likes to build rooms and you

◼   ► know bedrooms and kitchens and garages

◼   ► and bridges but the duplos just didn't

◼   ► have the precision yeah well therefore

◼   ► you know they're for little hands

◼   ► yeah and then people started giving her

◼   ► lego gifts but they were like here's a

◼   ► like a like cool motorcycle mama she's

◼   ► got a she's got a dirt bike and this is

◼   ► a little it's like a little diorama

◼   ► right there's a palm tree there's a tent

◼   ► where she's spending the night

◼   ► there's a motorcycle and then there are

◼   ► 50 tiny tiny little chocobo ball

◼   ► talkable upon little things like here's

◼   ► her little who's her little matchbook

◼   ► yeah I'm here's her little you know like

◼   ► her magnifying glass and sounds like the

◼   ► franchise called friends which is seems

◼   ► super lame but has some of the best

◼   ► weirdo pieces ever but they know they're

◼   ► always gonna say about to play was the

◼   ► cool thing because they lay

◼   ► no and they're awesome to delay the

◼   ► duplo and the with accommodating size

◼   ► pieces with bricks you can use your

◼   ► DUPLO and your Lego to get there

◼   ► No so if in our case we got it we got a

◼   ► butt ton of big bricks so if you don't

◼   ► have the base of your castle like your

◼   ► wall your fortification you could make

◼   ► that a duplos and then you can get sexy

◼   ► it up with you know turrets mom is crazy

◼   ► talk

◼   ► I thought the same thing occurred to me

◼   ► one day this is Lego I should see if

◼   ► this works now doesn't work for him it's

◼   ► gotta be the same size and everything

◼   ► they do work together it's it's kind of

◼   ► brilliant

◼   ► so are you still at a five-digit address

◼   ► starting with one

◼   ► yes okay i'm going to send you right now

◼   ► will be delivered today you're going to

◼   ► get the classic large creative brick box

◼   ► 10 698 the classics and base plate and

◼   ► the classic green base plate supplement

◼   ► me i do that i mean that's that's that's

◼   ► wonderful it's wonderful thoughtful of

◼   ► you to do this just to try and solve my

◼   ► lego connect I'm not trying to solve

◼   ► anything I just want you to have legos

◼   ► because because you know here's the

◼   ► thing is ordered

◼   ► um here's the thing it depends it's a

◼   ► Sisyphean task let all things involving

◼   ► parenting

◼   ► well I'm like everything i do i use the

◼   ► word Mississippi in 15 times a day to

◼   ► describe something I just did write it

◼   ► just keeps rolling back down synthesis

◼   ► of this is all the way down every every

◼   ► day I mean I'm so i should say she's a

◼   ► way of this color entire enter cock but

◼   ► warehouses professionally cleaned on

◼   ► Friday our entire entire living room

◼   ► table is currently covered with Lego ah

◼   ► it was professionally cleaned in order

◼   ► to make a clean a gar base you know what

◼   ► a kid loves to mess up more than

◼   ► anything a professionally cleaned room

◼   ► right uh-huh perfectly professionally

◼   ► clean the room and I want to I want to

◼   ► get to the Sisyphus but just here's the

◼   ► thing this it depends on I've said this

◼   ► before you know as you know I'm a

◼   ► Productivity to retire productivity cool

◼   ► i think a big part of success in one's

◼   ► career is to figure out what about one's

◼   ► occupation is necessarily hard because

◼   ► that is the reason as they say you get

◼   ► the big bucks

◼   ► is this part of it is necessary dip

◼   ► necessarily difficult and there's a

◼   ► reason that not everybody can or will do

◼   ► it like some people are really good at

◼   ► fixing automobiles and other people

◼   ► right excellent pop songs or

◼   ► what-have-you then you have to figure

◼   ► out the part of your job that is not

◼   ► necessarily difficult but you find to be

◼   ► difficult and can you improve that and

◼   ► the part of success is figuring out how

◼   ► much you can tolerate the stuff that's

◼   ► difficult but not making your job good

◼   ► how much this stuff is difficult to fix

◼   ► you see where I'm going with this

◼   ► I'm sorry this goes for parenting to so

◼   ► if you just happen to be a person who

◼   ► likes sorting legos but don't mind that

◼   ► it won't matter in 10 minutes that they

◼   ► were organized you're good to go

◼   ► problem is if you think that the the

◼   ► flower light nubbins should always stay

◼   ► in this drawer and you think you know

◼   ► what I'm saying

◼   ► pretty soon I was a guy in the lego

◼   ► movie and you're you put the kragle over

◼   ► everything right and then this guy over

◼   ► here yet this would die I would not

◼   ► tolerate racism i have of I have the

◼   ► ball in the course of time

◼   ► yeah basically evolutionary biology John

◼   ► i have personally evolved into a

◼   ► different species because of evolution

◼   ► right i have naturally selected within

◼   ► myself

◼   ► oh you talk about that the the hidden

◼   ► arm that that causes evolution you've

◼   ► been you've been armed and the Armed

◼   ► upon I think what I think it's the will

◼   ► of something that wants to evolve in its

◼   ► next-generation that wills that

◼   ► evolution to happen right that wills the

◼   ► natural selection to take place in a

◼   ► certain way by by virtue of choosing

◼   ► interesting

◼   ► yeah so it's something like Lobster has

◼   ► evolved to that yet

◼   ► uh well a lobster is just a mosquito

◼   ► that evolved into a lobster em right the

◼   ► person skeet oh it's interesting at acc

◼   ► roach

◼   ► well it sort of it you know something

◼   ► some bug

◼   ► let's call it landed on the water was

◼   ► like nice and then said in the future I

◼   ► hope my kids can swim

◼   ► haha and then those kids were swimmers

◼   ► ok

◼   ► oh you want you want better for your

◼   ► kids yeah and then the swimmer kids were

◼   ► like what's on the bottom

◼   ► uh-huh one day I hope that my kids can

◼   ► swim to the bottom and then they did

◼   ► their kill you what I'm tired of having

◼   ► the the short life of my progenitors I

◼   ► would like my kids to live longer than

◼   ► me maybe upwards of a hundred years

◼   ► well somewhere along the line some

◼   ► mosquito I don't know whether it was

◼   ► intentional whether they just went to

◼   ► the bottom because they're looking for

◼   ► parole so who and then realize that the

◼   ► cold water kept them live longer

◼   ► ok or whether on the surface the

◼   ► mosquito the the the proto mosquito

◼   ► proto lobster I'm sorry yes post-post

◼   ► Skeeter proto lobster mhm said I want to

◼   ► live longer

◼   ► I know that cold produces longer life I

◼   ► said I sense it

◼   ► I'm going down Paul you know what I'm

◼   ► saying I'm going down one thing only

◼   ► I am broadcasting to you from California

◼   ► but I have a I have now established my

◼   ► mobile podcasting rig you sound great

◼   ► you played in also plugged in I'm

◼   ► plugged into the hole

◼   ► I'm putting the whole me gently you

◼   ► sound so much better this way

◼   ► and oh it all fits into a small bag into

◼   ► a small bag my entire podcasting

◼   ► operation now fits into my shoulder bag

◼   ► which goes in the overhead compartment

◼   ► move an airplane

◼   ► this includes your fancy podcasting like

◼   ► the open everything so it goes into a

◼   ► couple bags one of the bags

◼   ► actually that goes in the small bag

◼   ► because the bag small bag is very small

◼   ► whoo-hoo but one of the inner bags which

◼   ► is smaller is a an old padded laptop bag

◼   ► that you gave me one time back in the

◼   ► day when laptops needed to be ensconced

◼   ► in their own special bags yes that you

◼   ► needed to take out of the bag and then

◼   ► take this is it

◼   ► snap tab SF bags at wakefield like a

◼   ► phony

◼   ► welcome back it's kind of funny but it's

◼   ► not bulk repeal crow i think it was one

◼   ► of your earliest one sure a bag that you

◼   ► use when you had when your laptop was as

◼   ► thick as a paperback book

◼   ► whoo-hoo and and I find like a Russian

◼   ► paperback book like a beer that's right

◼   ► like a russian book a trade paperback

◼   ► who from Russia and 1890s trivia I and

◼   ► that bag actually does not it contains

◼   ► the microphone and the headphones which

◼   ► are in a separate small bag it all goes

◼   ► into that small bag which goes into the

◼   ► small bag i love a bag in the back

◼   ► that's three bats bag in a bag in a bag

◼   ► didn't say his bags on me down

◼   ► so here i am and i'm in california and

◼   ► it's all but you know the number of the

◼   ► number of opportunities to feel like

◼   ► Sisyphus in California who its

◼   ► exponentially more opportunities because

◼   ► they're all these people in California

◼   ► that I have to correct because they're

◼   ► profoundly doing it wrong yeah and and

◼   ► then i use that you i'm just guessing in

◼   ► the los angeles area i am in los angeles

◼   ► area however either but what baby they

◼   ► must be you must be exhausted John all

◼   ► is what we just what you see you go

◼   ► outside to get a newspaper pick up a

◼   ► coffee the kind of stuff that you're

◼   ► going to see people walking around and

◼   ► acting like that is normal or acceptable

◼   ► behavior it's insane you could if you

◼   ► tied a copper wire around the top of the

◼   ► first man bun you saw who

◼   ► and then as you walk your spooling cop

◼   ► I'm very thin copper wire as you're

◼   ► walking every time you saw a bun on a

◼   ► man-woman a top bottom i'm talking about

◼   ► not a back button sure you wrap the

◼   ► copper wire one more time around the

◼   ► next one you saw and then you let those

◼   ► people keep going you're spooning wire

◼   ► wrap it around everybody you see for an

◼   ► hour and you know your your kind of

◼   ► trying to make somewhat of a loop

◼   ► uh-huh you run back into the first

◼   ► person you

◼   ► wrap that copper wire around their

◼   ► button one more time you made a Tesla

◼   ► coil

◼   ► I you know Tesla was on my mind as you

◼   ► were saying that that's like Tesla's

◼   ► dream right there right and it is

◼   ► happening in LA right now always

◼   ► alternating but you know that energy

◼   ► just bits tears and rain it's not going

◼   ► anywhere

◼   ► no one's nose harnessing the energy of

◼   ► the man bun circle

◼   ► yeah and-and-and you and there are so

◼   ► many man button circles in India of

◼   ► different things

◼   ► yeah that people could be taking

◼   ► advantage of here and there not so many

◼   ► I mean obviously I've made a big I've

◼   ► made a big to-do about how California

◼   ► coffee culture drives me crazy

◼   ► who but there are so many other things

◼   ► to be to be insane about down here that

◼   ► I can't even worry about the coffee pot

◼   ► I went to a whole foods in California

◼   ► last night very very interesting

◼   ► experience there was a lot more shouting

◼   ► everyone's angry my experience at whole

◼   ► foods is that everybody is very angry

◼   ► and impatient

◼   ► yeah impatient angry there were some

◼   ► people walking around to just be

◼   ► shouting which seems normal but then

◼   ► there were other people that were

◼   ► shouting at others it was just a very

◼   ► tense situation I was like hey man we're

◼   ► all Richie this is water buddy

◼   ► yeah just chill chill chill the fuck out

◼   ► you're paying 1499 a pound for salad bar

◼   ► i put on my cal just like everybody else

◼   ► well why are you upset yeah nothing to

◼   ► be upset about using a hot party those

◼   ► just just sell you macaroni and cheese

◼   ► and a boxing take it home

◼   ► how could he be mad about that how could

◼   ► you be mad about that Jesus Christ a $25

◼   ► for macaroni and cheese have you ever

◼   ► done that you buy hot bar rather that'll

◼   ► put a dent your wall you get to nice

◼   ► slice of meatloaf and macaroni that's

◼   ► like 60 bucks yeah you know back in the

◼   ► touring days Mike Squires used to he

◼   ► went through a phase where he decided on

◼   ► tour he was only going to eat food that

◼   ► was from out from the hot case in in gas

◼   ► stations so we would drive and we pull

◼   ► into a gas me up that's it that's a such

◼   ► a bad idea

◼   ► well this was it was my sister thought

◼   ► experiment yeah I was during Mike's you

◼   ► know period of like how much self-hate

◼   ► can I put into a basket up in mind that

◼   ► and so we pull into a gas station it's

◼   ► like you know everybody jumps out you

◼   ► can go get a bottle of water or you can

◼   ► go in the bathroom

◼   ► p get a coffee or whatever she could get

◼   ► you could get like what's that what's

◼   ► that awesome won the New York Times

◼   ► wrote about you go get that cheddar and

◼   ► sour cream ruffles which I've discovered

◼   ► are possibly the greatest food in the

◼   ► world

◼   ► well I'm barfing at the thought shutter

◼   ► sour cream ruffle know he would go in

◼   ► against but there are known things you

◼   ► can get you do not need to explore the

◼   ► spinny meets he so obviously JoJo's

◼   ► everywhere

◼   ► jojo's are what time hot cases together

◼   ► and then you've got your community of

◼   ► jets it's just like everywhere is in

◼   ► every job is different don't think that

◼   ► it said that JoJo's are the same so just

◼   ► not ojos and then you've got your little

◼   ► like a in Toronto's or whatever they're

◼   ► not quite like it's not clear what what

◼   ► are their taquitos for legal reasons

◼   ► they have to call them like in Chile

◼   ► thus yeah so there's them and then

◼   ► there's egg rolls

◼   ► sometimes yeah right because it all goes

◼   ► in a hot case and a fried chicken

◼   ► sometimes you'll have just a like a

◼   ► German sausage and then all the things

◼   ► that get put into like a bread like a

◼   ► like deep-fried bond right sausage it

◼   ► deep fried sausage

◼   ► yeah and then the little hot wrapped

◼   ► sandwiches in tin foil chicken sandwich

◼   ► sausage sandwich

◼   ► translate sausage sandwich that fast

◼   ► that sandwich and completely awful

◼   ► that's that's that's making you think we

◼   ► just say it's fast and it's so Squires

◼   ► lived on on hot case for a while and it

◼   ► was like remember and the number but now

◼   ► they'll arrest of a supportive role is

◼   ► just like stop doing this

◼   ► I it was like that mcdonalds guy who ate

◼   ► McDonald's every day for a year except

◼   ► it happened way faster is all the color

◼   ► one of his face except for like red

◼   ► blotches

◼   ► oh and he both gay

◼   ► in weight and also lost 100 right he was

◼   ► he was transforming for our eyes you

◼   ► came to smooth did it was a screw

◼   ► everybody was I don't think see you know

◼   ► one thing that we I think we talked

◼   ► about this we're having our we're

◼   ► Chinese lunch but I had this impression

◼   ► that especially when it comes to Asian

◼   ► foods that are served in America a lot

◼   ► of stuff that gets served as first of

◼   ► all yeah heavily americanized to our

◼   ► palates and tastes but also that it's

◼   ► the kind of food that you eat every five

◼   ► years at a wedding on like a tiny plate

◼   ► that you he would not have like all you

◼   ► can eat anything of like what gets

◼   ► served at those kinds of places

◼   ► yeah we yeah we did talk about that

◼   ► right now well my girlfriend who lived

◼   ► in China who was a vegetarian and she

◼   ► would go to these meals and they would

◼   ► serve like a big platter of you meet me

◼   ► parks or whatever and she would say you

◼   ► have any just like vegetables and rice

◼   ► it's kind of what i would prefer they're

◼   ► like what we would never serve an

◼   ► honored guest right the food that we eat

◼   ► every day it's against asleep on the dog

◼   ► bed

◼   ► yeah she's like no that's what i want

◼   ► just the food that you normally eat

◼   ► there like ha ha fat chance American

◼   ► tourists

◼   ► yeah you're gonna get the we're you need

◼   ► our once-a-year meal and then you go to

◼   ► what I went to my favorite not favorite

◼   ► let's not call her favorite every

◼   ► Christmas Eve for the last dozen years

◼   ► my mom and I made a plan i made a made a

◼   ► pact a long time ago we were going to

◼   ► play Christmas anymore haha kinda like a

◼   ► family and we went to house of home my

◼   ► mom and I would go to house at home and

◼   ► then we would go to the movies like ten

◼   ► o'clock movie or something on Christmas

◼   ► Eve house of home we'd get some moment

◼   ► fried chicken or whatever you do and

◼   ► then go to the movies and your house a

◼   ► home on Christmas Eve you see all your

◼   ► Jewish friends

◼   ► right everybody everybody in Seattle

◼   ► that wasn't celebrating Christmases is

◼   ► in chinatown so it's a pretty fun time

◼   ► and and house of hong was the reliably

◼   ► bad chinese restaurant right it wasn't i

◼   ► do I know exactly what you mean

◼   ► yeah you wouldn't take your friends

◼   ► there if they were coming in from out of

◼   ► town you wouldn't go it's not a thing

◼   ► you go to on a regular it's just like we

◼   ► want almond fried chicken at

◼   ► eight-thirty p.m. on christmas eve

◼   ► there's no other place to go

◼   ► we went to a song the other night

◼   ► because it was my birthday and my sister

◼   ► want to meet wanted to take me to the

◼   ► House hall we went and it has changed

◼   ► hands over and everything about it is

◼   ► different and like that the old menu had

◼   ► 400 things on and the new menu has 40

◼   ► things on and they came and they were

◼   ► all no good huh

◼   ► and you think that's disappointing I

◼   ► mean if they were it was always meant to

◼   ► be no good but their network in the

◼   ► passage of time by the little things

◼   ► that go away like that

◼   ► yeah like whatever you remember house of

◼   ► all remember all the Christmases weekend

◼   ► I was talking about this just this one

◼   ► let's take you up and talking about just

◼   ► this week where there's like all these

◼   ► restaurants that we used to go to on a

◼   ► regular basis that are just they're just

◼   ► gone and it's such a tiny thing but

◼   ► still I call me and i miss the hofbrau

◼   ► yeah sure i miss you know the little you

◼   ► know the little man's gone I told you

◼   ► that

◼   ► no yes the dim sum is gone well i know

◼   ► we we walked by there are sure our

◼   ► crafts yeah now it's now it's like asian

◼   ► bread

◼   ► yeah we saw that go down and we were

◼   ► like hey I think we actually walked in

◼   ► and said when we did I forgot about you

◼   ► know what we were high on house Trotter

◼   ► yeah whatever little bit but having a

◼   ► little me they were like what happened

◼   ► to the cats in the kitchen good time

◼   ► time time to change

◼   ► get in the kitchen so what is there is

◼   ► the asian bistro now we wash our hands

◼   ► of a nice day

◼   ► corrects yeah I I'm stories etc tours

◼   ► etc hasn't been around for 25 years I

◼   ► still miss it

◼   ► little stories etc was was a was the the

◼   ► place that every single hipster on in in

◼   ► Seattle had bread

◼   ► first on saturday and sunday mornings

◼   ► there were very few hipsters then so

◼   ► they could all fit in one restaurant

◼   ► that's convenient but I had that I had

◼   ► that experience one time of walking down

◼   ► the street somebody that i vaguely knew

◼   ► bumped into me and said hey come and

◼   ► have breakfast with me at stories etc I

◼   ► was like sure didn't you know definitely

◼   ► know that person but have good feelings

◼   ► about that who went in and they were

◼   ► meeting two friends both of whom were

◼   ► like the very charming pretty young

◼   ► girls i was a young man at the time

◼   ► mocha we sat down at the table and I

◼   ► just had one of those magic mornings i

◼   ► was i was hungover right so I had that

◼   ► halo magic

◼   ► yeah that can sometimes be upon a person

◼   ► when they're hungover second loss a

◼   ► special extra drink because he get a

◼   ► certain kind of the department toward

◼   ► the world that can be that can be kind

◼   ► of nice can be kind of relaxing too kind

◼   ► of house you down a little bit and this

◼   ► was one of those mornings it was just

◼   ► like that that time when you walk into a

◼   ► bar and your pool game is just on top

◼   ► and you're just school and everybody in

◼   ► pool and you're chill about it and so

◼   ► everybody in the bar is just loving you

◼   ► by the end of the night because you

◼   ► can't miss but you get but you got

◼   ► nothing invested in it because you're

◼   ► like I've never seen this before but

◼   ► you're not but you don't give your

◼   ► secret away either who just like one

◼   ► play another game pow pow

◼   ► it only lasts the spell is very brief

◼   ► yes last for one night but this was one

◼   ► of those mornings where i sat at this

◼   ► table and I just I actually charmed the

◼   ► clothes off of all three of these people

◼   ► in the restaurant is it was JJ contends

◼   ► what's called it was a Tory zeg cetera

◼   ► ok alright and and by the end it was

◼   ► clear that I could take these three

◼   ► people anywhere and have them do

◼   ► anything and instead i stood up at the

◼   ► end of a lovely meal and said this has

◼   ► been lovely to loo before and they said

◼   ► wait wait don't go

◼   ► and I was like I must do I must turn on

◼   ► boom and endo and waltz away and I

◼   ► always thought back to how my life would

◼   ► have gone differently if I had just

◼   ► either taken them sliding doors were

◼   ► gone with them yes and instead it was

◼   ► just like this has been perfect

◼   ► I do not want you to know that I'm not

◼   ► this perfect all the time right and so

◼   ► before I say the dumb thing that I

◼   ► surely am about to say before I ruin

◼   ► this before my hangover wears off and

◼   ► all of a sudden I'm talking to you about

◼   ► a world war 1 i'm going to float off and

◼   ► you will always hopefully look at the

◼   ► drinking fountain and remember me

◼   ► I still do that you still remember my

◼   ► friend explore Kelly I'm gonna start

◼   ► doing that other people because it

◼   ► totally works

◼   ► yeah it does it's crazy oh my goodness

◼   ► but you're like--you're ultraman except

◼   ► they can't see your bling chest and you

◼   ► know the clock is running

◼   ► you gotta go because he may be a little

◼   ► bit george costanza but you know that's

◼   ► it you've done the best you can it's all

◼   ► gonna be downhill from here

◼   ► get out yeah that's right anything as if

◼   ► I keep talking i I'm gonna lose my cool

◼   ► right if I keep talking eventually

◼   ► you're going to look up at the cool

◼   ► barometer and the winds will have

◼   ► changing up and the and a new and

◼   ► depression will have moved in

◼   ► uh-huh and you're like wool my joints

◼   ► hurt all of a sudden and it's because

◼   ► this guy that I thought was amazing has

◼   ► been talking about the battle of the

◼   ► somme the thing though a lot of

◼   ► civilians might understand if you've

◼   ► never been charming in a restaurant is

◼   ► that once you've set that high bar it's

◼   ► extremely disappointed people when you

◼   ► fall off because didn't actually hate

◼   ► you

◼   ► it isn't that they go back to neutral

◼   ► feeling it they really hate you after

◼   ► that I think I i'm pretty sure i've told

◼   ► you the story about a the time another

◼   ► charm night when i was walking along

◼   ► with some friends and for some reason i

◼   ► was in a suit my friends weren't and

◼   ► there was an up pizza parlor that was

◼   ► also an art gallery and it was closed

◼   ► but the lights were on and music was

◼   ► playing and we walked by and sort of

◼   ► just walked in Walt's to and there were

◼   ► half a dozen girls in there who worked

◼   ► at the pizza parlor was just kind of

◼   ► like

◼   ► playing some music having a in wiping

◼   ► down tables or whatever and we came in

◼   ► and and they said we're closed and we

◼   ► were like yeah we know we just heard the

◼   ► music and thought we'd pop in and they

◼   ► were like oh and somehow right away we

◼   ► were all dancing

◼   ► Wow and this is like a this is like a

◼   ► nineties film

◼   ► yeah it was like instant dance party and

◼   ► we're dancing and the girls are dancing

◼   ► we are dancing all you know and spray it

◼   ► with some music that I would never ever

◼   ► ever have danced to it like mo beers and

◼   ► one of the girls is someone that I had

◼   ► seen for years and been intrigued by in

◼   ► the neighborhood on come on really

◼   ► yeah she played bass in a band she had

◼   ► her hair her hair was like wild and

◼   ► tangled and teased up kinda but not

◼   ► teased up uh what he teased up in a way

◼   ► that gave the impression that she never

◼   ► called it not that she had ever worked

◼   ► on it for a second man she looked like a

◼   ► lori petty oh except with big hair

◼   ► chimney and we're dancing and dancing

◼   ► and and like I'm in a suit up like a

◼   ► pinstripe suit but I've got like group

◼   ► crazy dance moves i'm back in that ass

◼   ► up right and left the music's loud and

◼   ► my friends are doing it to my friends

◼   ► are into it too and my friends are you

◼   ► know my friends normally are like we can

◼   ► all agree on cheese or whatever they're

◼   ► not like dance speed that this

◼   ► spontaneous dance party with some girls

◼   ► that work in the punk-rock pizza place

◼   ► ok so the whole thing's going like what

◼   ► is happening nobody can nobody in the

◼   ► room knows what the hell is happening

◼   ► and the and the girl the amazing girl is

◼   ► now dancing where she's like she's

◼   ► dancing with me right she separated me

◼   ► from the herd a little bit oh man she's

◼   ► like cleared out the space around us so

◼   ► we're not it's not just like seven

◼   ► people dancing with each other it's like

◼   ► now we're dancing and at a certain point

◼   ► and I'm just like dancing and she's

◼   ► dancing and she leans in and she goes

◼   ► who are you and you ready are you ready

◼   ► for this yeah very comfortable mean like

◼   ► up till now this is this is unheard of

◼   ► everything everything's coming up

◼   ► Roderick she says she says who are you

◼   ► like whispers over the loud music in

◼   ► over my in my ear

◼   ► who are you and I go like sort of like

◼   ► super chill face I shrug and go about

◼   ► i'm about to say I don't you know I

◼   ► don't know myself I don't know myself

◼   ► Who I am and she she like steps back

◼   ► waiting for the answer to her question

◼   ► she sees me prepare to say i don't i

◼   ► don't even know I don't know what who am

◼   ► i and she and her face falls oh and

◼   ► before I say it she goes she mouths to

◼   ► me like with a super contemptuous face

◼   ► like oh I don't even know right

◼   ► uh-uh that's your that's your deep bro

◼   ► answer that's your like and I was just

◼   ► like dead to rights right i mean my

◼   ► pants basically fell to the floor

◼   ► the spell was broke and make the magic

◼   ► just fell off the suit

◼   ► yeah because she deposits fucked up

◼   ► because you paused she looked and she

◼   ► looked at me when I'm pausing she could

◼   ► easily suss out the the of all the array

◼   ► of things that you could say you were

◼   ► going to say something really dumb and

◼   ► she figured out before you said it

◼   ► yeah and-and-and she could see as that

◼   ► corny reply formed on my lips that I was

◼   ► not the person that she thought I was

◼   ► then you turn into a pumpkin

◼   ► yeah i waltzed into this pizza parlor

◼   ► started a dance party in the three-piece

◼   ► suit was an excellent dancer and like a

◼   ► and just like a fucking sorcerer but in

◼   ► my corn in that in in that one little

◼   ► moment of possible porn blue right then

◼   ► and the answer to that question is

◼   ► hi I'm John right that's the answer the

◼   ► answer is not anything corny you don't

◼   ► have to say I'm the wizard from the

◼   ► north

◼   ► you just say hey I'm John you can you

◼   ► said i'm john and i am in my corn

◼   ► i'm john what's your name and fucking

◼   ► should we be married now that we've been

◼   ► married we really be living on a puck

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◼   ► the great shows your world

◼   ► her hair is still be wild like turning

◼   ► turning a little gray yeah it's fucking

◼   ► tanked role and and and they're having a

◼   ► dance party a pizza parlor dance party

◼   ► on a group around the world

◼   ► oh she's got a little bit she looks like

◼   ► bride of frankenstein what kind and I'm

◼   ► so intrigued

◼   ► yeah and but but in that moment the what

◼   ► it was was my insecurities was revealed

◼   ► that that this was a night where I was

◼   ► playing a super cool game of pool but i

◼   ► didn't actually I was not actually that

◼   ► cool because of because i was a

◼   ► co-parent corny

◼   ► uh-huh and look this

◼   ► that's like me at the bachelor party I

◼   ► think about that

◼   ► yeah well yeah well shit that happened I

◼   ► mean I'm still drinking right that

◼   ► happenin man you still remember what

◼   ► that message is not part of your curses

◼   ► in that part of your Sisyphean curses is

◼   ► you have a pretty good memory for even

◼   ► stuff you did when you were pretty drunk

◼   ► when I was drinking I never blacked out

◼   ► I never blacked out and I very seldom

◼   ► vomited I that was part of the part of

◼   ► you know every every alcoholic is

◼   ► different right and I was one of those i

◼   ► was a battleship you can put all the

◼   ► booze in me and I would just keep like I

◼   ► was a I was a d-9 caterpillar like I

◼   ► would just gurgurk and never blackout

◼   ► never forget a thing so I saw although i

◼   ► was i was at every horrible bachelor

◼   ► party where everybody was a bachelor

◼   ► right there was no one was getting

◼   ► married anywhere i was just awful times

◼   ► and and all the blood the the

◼   ► blessedness that is that that quality

◼   ► and most people where they wake up the

◼   ► next morning they're like would happened

◼   ► last night I was like I'll tell you what

◼   ► happened what's in here all morning

◼   ► thinking about it is a fucking bloodbath

◼   ► happened like I never went to sleep

◼   ► because I'm just sitting here but

◼   ► replaying the whole it's a nice feeling

◼   ► and and there's a lot of that stuff is

◼   ► still with me right i mean i remember i

◼   ► laid down in an alley one time because i

◼   ► couldn't walk any further and I was like

◼   ► this is a knife

◼   ► Ali is probably no cars are coming down

◼   ► here on little sleep a little bit little

◼   ► sleepies little sleepers and I laid down

◼   ► in the corner of this alley which was

◼   ► absolutely full of rats it like we're

◼   ► like I found the probably found the

◼   ► place where people pissed the most often

◼   ► for the last hundred and twenty years

◼   ► curled up there but in my moment was

◼   ► aware enough that i took my glasses off

◼   ► and folded them and put them on my night

◼   ► table which was a pile of garbage and

◼   ► when I woke up an hour or two later

◼   ► now it because in the middle of the day

◼   ► this isn't this isn't like it two in the

◼   ► two in the morning

◼   ► this is two in the afternoon

◼   ► wake up in this hot garbage strewn

◼   ► piston Ali's I'm like yeah it was

◼   ► refreshing sleep

◼   ► do-do-do-do-do birthday purchasing at ya

◼   ► retweet

◼   ► still she absolutely shitfaced I stand

◼   ► up and off I go down the street drip

◼   ► interpreter but i forgot my glasses are

◼   ► still on your nightstand so my

◼   ► nightstand

◼   ► my vision is blurred enough already that

◼   ► I that it's not like whoa I can't see

◼   ► I'm just like we were purple and I gets

◼   ► wherever somewhere the next place and I

◼   ► go wash at my glasses and we're going up

◼   ► turn around pick our perp corporate lurp

◼   ► back to the alley classes are gone now

◼   ► no one uses who steals a pair of garbage

◼   ► class and these were glasses that I had

◼   ► made because a friend of mine worked as

◼   ► a like an orderly at the hospital and

◼   ► they and he came home and he was like

◼   ► there's a program at the hospital at

◼   ► where they make glasses free for poor

◼   ► people and I was like that's me and so I

◼   ► had I went because I didn't have glasses

◼   ► at the time and then went and had my

◼   ► glasses made and they were amazing

◼   ► because this was an era where I think

◼   ► you remember this time sometime in the

◼   ► nineties where all of the shop classes

◼   ► and like government-issue glasses that

◼   ► they made in the in proliferation back

◼   ► in 1961 they were all just like 25 cents

◼   ► apiece and this government program to

◼   ► make glasses for people had the these

◼   ► incredible fifties style like black on

◼   ► top clear on the bottom

◼   ► all right out like a style that would

◼   ► become it's almost like that with the

◼   ► column in in England NIH classes

◼   ► yeah then became kind of fashionable

◼   ► like Morrissey glasses that's right yeah

◼   ► and it was a pain where those you know

◼   ► those glasses were fashionable because

◼   ► they were they were cheap but you know

◼   ► like

◼   ► free but I lost that pair of glasses and

◼   ► who would pick up that would pick up a

◼   ► pair of glasses from that fucking pistol

◼   ► i don't know probably somebody else they

◼   ► stopped by to sleep there or maybe it

◼   ► was the little bird maybe it was the

◼   ► song is somebody else's bed and that was

◼   ► their nightstand

◼   ► yeah that could be with all these

◼   ► glasses doing on my nightstand

◼   ► that's my pilot these will do but that's

◼   ► simply click but like that scene in the

◼   ► new adventures in babysitting

◼   ► oh where the girl takes her glasses off

◼   ► and then the little homeless lady comes

◼   ► by and put someone is like I can see and

◼   ► walks off and then the girl can't then

◼   ► she can't really do remember every she's

◼   ► stuck in the bus station

◼   ► no offense to babysit that sounds like a

◼   ► big part of the adventure it well but

◼   ► it's but she's just a like a she's a

◼   ► tertiary character i sees the one that's

◼   ► like in she's she's the emergency

◼   ► meeting that causes the babysitter to

◼   ► take the kids into chicago I'll see I

◼   ► don't know this story so she's the

◼   ► MacGuffin she's the MacGuffin so they

◼   ► have to have to leave have to leave the

◼   ► comfort of their suburban like John

◼   ► Hughes neighborhood huh

◼   ► and she has to take these three

◼   ► irascible kids

◼   ► oh one of them the oldest the little boy

◼   ► is younger enough than her that he needs

◼   ► a babysitter

◼   ► yeah he's old enough to be in love with

◼   ► her I know that one and then the little

◼   ► the little girl is a she's you know not

◼   ► very old six or something seven but

◼   ► she's in love with four but the

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◼   ► yes okay uh you know I i can guess I'm

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◼   ► oh yes he was born again hard ones even

◼   ► before that he was in know he was in was

◼   ► he in them busy men in black was later

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◼   ► but so you lose them to confuse out in

◼   ► baldwin and mrs. off you know what kind

◼   ► of ball one has that ball Adam Baldwin

◼   ► is like some kind of distillation of

◼   ► baldwin ism down to all the thinking

◼   ► seated fart

◼   ► yeah like it's all this stuff about ball

◼   ► one bald ones all the Baldwin ask

◼   ► characteristics but I don't like like I

◼   ► like Alec Baldwin despite all the

◼   ► reasons not to like oh gosh yeah i mean

◼   ► he's one of those he's an American

◼   ► antihero

◼   ► yeah that's right but like all the other

◼   ► bald ones remember when the Baldwin's

◼   ► were a thing like all the balls are huge

◼   ► people talked about the Baldwin's as if

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◼   ► jacket and adventures in babysitting

◼   ► both came out in 1987 is in the ya

◼   ► episode of the equal at two episodes of

◼   ► the equalizer has two different people

◼   ► using mystic pizza

◼   ► this is when he was still Vincent Philip

◼   ► D'Onofrio who and then what I next know

◼   ► him and he's in JFK I don't remember

◼   ► that he's in the player i don't remember

◼   ► that but if you look at him I remember

◼   ► him being Orson Welles in Deadwood if

◼   ► you look at a picture of him as for

◼   ► adventures in babysitting right and then

◼   ► you look at a picture of him as the

◼   ► board again hard character same same

◼   ► year huh

◼   ► you realize that Vincent D'Onofrio is

◼   ► greatest American huh

◼   ► oh my goodness look at oh my goodness

◼   ► look at him and then and then he ends up

◼   ► on CSI

◼   ► but you know a like new brunswick or

◼   ► whatever the rights on the show we tilt

◼   ► his head a lot but there is thats is

◼   ► that's that that's where he got his

◼   ► start as he's wearing a blue like

◼   ► undershirt and he's got long uh like

◼   ► very blond hair and a red baseball cap

◼   ► baseball cap and he comes down out of

◼   ► some smokies guy he's carrying a big

◼   ► hammer little girl is like it's Thor in

◼   ► my store

◼   ► he's actually kind of mean who and that

◼   ► thought I mean to your door is very

◼   ► conceited that's how he ran into

◼   ► problems

◼   ► Oh see I didn't know enough about for ya

◼   ► when i watched adventures in babysitting

◼   ► together now it makes sense that thought

◼   ► when we watch The Avengers my wife

◼   ► turned to me and said stories basically

◼   ► every guy i tried to avoid at parties at

◼   ► santa cruz oh sure you know and so the

◼   ► drama thora story is very conceited he

◼   ► felt pretty positive that he was going

◼   ► to be the heir apparent to Odin and then

◼   ► he got really conceited and that's when

◼   ► he took away my owner and he said he

◼   ► said you can have your stripping of your

◼   ► powers I'm gonna go to earth and you're

◼   ► going to be you're going to be a

◼   ► slightly disabled doctor he was a doctor

◼   ► that which is nice

◼   ► uh but he's he's stripped of his power

◼   ► instead of his powers he has to earth

◼   ► then he has he figured something out

◼   ► something something he redeemed himself

◼   ► he continues to be a doctor he's got it

◼   ► he's got a can be

◼   ► as he has a walking problem when he

◼   ► smashes his cane really hard on the

◼   ► ground it turns into mill near any meat

◼   ► come store i see that's what we used to

◼   ► do more transformation of the

◼   ► superheroes and Mueller is the hammer

◼   ► mia yah mule near member Mia and Loki is

◼   ► his brother who is also bad

◼   ► oh yeah he's really bad news no see he's

◼   ► the problem the thing is Thor is a dick

◼   ► but look he is perfidious he's disloyal

◼   ► affinity is the worst kind of bad it's

◼   ► the worst kind of disloyalty for sure

◼   ► and so he's he and that's the reason the

◼   ► Avengers were formed fiscal okie who has

◼   ► these be basically is he's escaped from

◼   ► his mental jail that he was put in he

◼   ► goes to earth and he makes it look like

◼   ► a train is going off the tracks he gets

◼   ► into a Bruce banners head and so hawk

◼   ► goes to try and save the train but it

◼   ► looks like he's attacking the train

◼   ► doors are formed in the

◼   ► doors are formed in the

◼   ► circa nineteen sixty-one the Avengers

◼   ► are formed to go after Hulk because he's

◼   ► a bad guy so they bring a man because

◼   ► he's a guy who can send his hands all

◼   ► over the world to find Marcus you know

◼   ► I'm fighting hands right now California

◼   ► oh my goodness you know my sugar ants

◼   ► your you know my experience with north

◼   ► northwest and yes and spiders

◼   ► I am Legend in in the northwest as like

◼   ► a holocaust her but here

◼   ► yeah they're going to sink hole we ship

◼   ► the ends in Southern California do not

◼   ► kid around

◼   ► yeah when they come upon one of our

◼   ► waiters while they're looking for work

◼   ► well that's the thing that most

◼   ► beautiful and I ever saw them but ma ma

◼   ► maybe art they're the most here's what

◼   ► it is they were the most talented and in

◼   ► their own communities sure like the best

◼   ► entertainment began a small pond

◼   ► I'm looking out the window to people

◼   ► with buttons went by oh I've got my

◼   ► spool here but I can't get out there you

◼   ► know that they could take it probably

◼   ► they could probably power and iphone for

◼   ► a couple hours of those buns but they're

◼   ► not there is walking around but that's

◼   ► normal

◼   ► if you don't think about that if you and

◼   ► your significant other both have top

◼   ► buttons who how

◼   ► why wouldn't you tie them together once

◼   ► positive one is negative right why

◼   ► wouldn't you just run a little spool

◼   ► even if it wasn't metal wire what if it

◼   ► was just ribbin people already share

◼   ► headphones John you're going public

◼   ► transit and there's a couple Chinese

◼   ► kids sharing and sharing their ipod same

◼   ► deal here that wire could be i think

◼   ► it's in an electrical transducer or

◼   ► modem and that would be used for to one

◼   ► of these positive one of these negative

◼   ► and then that would generate enough

◼   ► power for the ipod with some leftover

◼   ► for the grid if you saw two people

◼   ► walking on the beach in Venice

◼   ► California they both had burns and they

◼   ► were both flying kites from their buns

◼   ► ok how would that make you feel because

◼   ► it would fill me with joy i would say

◼   ► here are some people here are some

◼   ► millennium not SS SS me up for a minute

◼   ► 40 unit because the kite would be

◼   ► pulling the bun up i have been a speech

◼   ► problem

◼   ► oh well it's it's a it's it's it's

◼   ► it's a willful unusualness oh yeah yeah

◼   ► there's a lot of that but you're gonna

◼   ► find that in ann arbor 24 or all the

◼   ► other are but you gotta wear more layers

◼   ► their true true but like the willful I

◼   ► mean the thing about Venice i think is

◼   ► like the there the the the kumquats are

◼   ► thick on the ground here who you know

◼   ► what I mean like you don't have it do

◼   ► you remember when being a wastoid

◼   ► burnout seemed like it was a valid job

◼   ► yes right and that 1982 remember 1982 it

◼   ► was it was something to aspire to and

◼   ► you know we talked about the the origins

◼   ► of various kinds of Valley speak and

◼   ► serve talk i mean that that was some of

◼   ► that has antecedents in well in our

◼   ► group that kind of Lodi's but you can

◼   ► take burnouts I don't know where that

◼   ► came from Lotus but i guess because they

◼   ► got loaded but you get that you get the

◼   ► Judas Priest drawn your folder easily

◼   ► got a flannel shirt you fall asleep in

◼   ► class

◼   ► you're always in the smoking area

◼   ► because yes high schools you have

◼   ► smoking areas

◼   ► yes and and not in your date will regard

◼   ► except you're not canadian women

◼   ► yeah when Gardner to canadian first of

◼   ► all and also like to whatever it like

◼   ► beckham hashers is that we call it up

◼   ► there commissures is that is that a is

◼   ► that considered a slider a slur sure I

◼   ► feel like hasher came later in Anchorage

◼   ► we call them stalkers stoners ok and

◼   ► stoner was a blanket term for any kind

◼   ► of sort of burner you know anybody that

◼   ► was anybody that was because a stoner

◼   ► would look at you and I'm not talking

◼   ► about like a like a sixty-five-year-old

◼   ► burnout stoner that's what they were

◼   ► that's what they aspire to but when

◼   ► you're 18 year old stoner yeah he's not

◼   ► really fighting

◼   ► I mean you gotta really to get kill

◼   ► those brain cells permanently you're

◼   ► gonna have to really stick with it and

◼   ► there was a there was a tremendous

◼   ► element of defiance right the stoners

◼   ► would look at you and say I choose

◼   ► nothingness right like I am

◼   ► this is a valid life choice mmm i am I

◼   ► do not care about your bullshit these

◼   ► men are nihilist honey trap right now

◼   ► and there's a transient me what's in the

◼   ► box

◼   ► mm no no that was ever to Russell it's

◼   ► totally true and it was a life choice

◼   ► and it was it a contrary to what

◼   ► appeared to be it was not simply a

◼   ► reaction to straight culture it was seen

◼   ► as an affirmative stance

◼   ► mm and that i remember very distinctly

◼   ► mean we've all stood at the crossroads

◼   ► who and we've all looked down one as far

◼   ► as we couldn't tell where penned into

◼   ► the undergrowth who but there was a

◼   ► moment right where you're where you're

◼   ► thinking like Spicoli is the coolest

◼   ► character and fast times at ridgemont

◼   ► high perhaps that coolness is also

◼   ► available to me but Spicoli has made a

◼   ► life choice Spicoli is on a path Spicoli

◼   ► his reproach model with mr. hand over

◼   ► the end of the film does not mean that

◼   ► mr. hand has converted Spicoli to caring

◼   ► about the identity that would be a

◼   ► different film so different film i mean

◼   ► if the fact that mr. hand comes to his

◼   ► house in the way that he does and that's

◼   ► a wonderful turn but also the fact that

◼   ► you know they don't end up jumping into

◼   ► a pool together I like that a lot

◼   ► well and who is more changed quickly or

◼   ► mr. hand you know I never have thought

◼   ► about along you know what I mean like I

◼   ► feel like being around my time now is

◼   ► the one that's right mr. hand has as a

◼   ► as as izzy is is changed and evolved by

◼   ► the end of that but so I'm walking down

◼   ► venice beach and i'm looking around and

◼   ► i have this like wow this is there are

◼   ► stoner burnouts here that are from my

◼   ► time there are people here who who came

◼   ► to that Spicoli crossroads and they took

◼   ► the other as just as fair m and here

◼   ► this resonates I just sit there and

◼   ► smoke a doobie the crossroads something

◼   ► they came into the crossroads who they

◼   ► try to hitch a ride huh

◼   ► and they saw the devil and they said

◼   ► take me to the other side plank and dust

◼   ► my broom and so they're they're they're

◼   ► sitting around there walking around

◼   ► their fucking riding a unicycle and it's

◼   ► not just the guy that looks like Jimi

◼   ► Hendrix on roller skates and it's not

◼   ► like i sat down there the other day and

◼   ► there were maybe ten black guys about my

◼   ► age sitting around on the stone the

◼   ► stands around the basketball court and

◼   ► they were arguing loud about basketball

◼   ► teams from the eighties john who was the

◼   ► best

◼   ► yeah and I knew all I knew everything I

◼   ► knew every name that they were saying

◼   ► and they were really up in each others

◼   ► face about it like you know what your

◼   ► guests and surprises the first time this

◼   ► has come up this is like your old all

◼   ► guys sitting on a stupid Turkey

◼   ► yeah this these guys I think probably

◼   ► have a version of this argument every

◼   ► day

◼   ► yeah and part of the loudness of it is

◼   ► that it is a performance their conscious

◼   ► of being we are the Venice Beach

◼   ► middle-aged guys that sit around the

◼   ► basketball court and what we do is argue

◼   ► loudly about things from our childhood

◼   ► or whatever like Iverson you know

◼   ► they're just like screaming at each

◼   ► other the Celtic Celtics were the you

◼   ► know chelton melting

◼   ► I don't know my friend right now people

◼   ► think it's like like Apache Esperanto

◼   ► fortran any other languages is something

◼   ► are they teaching its young people are

◼   ► they bringing in are they bring in new

◼   ► people out work you have to be of the

◼   ► vintage to argue about Larry Bird yeah

◼   ► you have to care because young people

◼   ► just roll their eyes at him because

◼   ► there's been four or five complete

◼   ► iterations of like basketball culture

◼   ► since the since Michael Jordan like an

◼   ► old a black guy version is like slacker

◼   ► like sit around like like talking about

◼   ► scooby-doo this moment in time for my 25

◼   ► 30 40 years ago you still like just just

◼   ► turning over because there was never in

◼   ► in their world right there was never a

◼   ► better moment not just in basketball but

◼   ► in history of a

◼   ► the Bulls vs the the celtics writer or

◼   ► LA right was the big rivalries or

◼   ► whatever l 118 lakers and the lakers in

◼   ► the celtics ya get magic vs Larry Bird

◼   ► and and so that was such and I that is

◼   ► just like cast in iron in my own mind

◼   ► and I didn't care about it like the idea

◼   ► that there would ever be a bigger moment

◼   ► in sports than that rivalry which was

◼   ► like so profound and I felt like I felt

◼   ► like you know turn around and being like

◼   ► well what about a you know the beauty

◼   ► jazz but the witch named still really

◼   ► gets under my skin

◼   ► the Jazz the chance yeah famous utah

◼   ► famous for its jazz scene right John

◼   ► Stockton John Stockton he played when he

◼   ► and the Bulls right well you want to

◼   ► play for the Jazz now and John Stockton

◼   ► went to Gonzaga where I want so he was

◼   ► on and Gonzaga was a busy with college

◼   ► as you know that's like basketball is

◼   ► the big thing for guns and I learned

◼   ► about you talk a lot about deadly

◼   ► shrimps

◼   ► yeah I learned about him because he's on

◼   ► several episodes of parks and rec and he

◼   ► used to play for the the Sonics that's

◼   ► right it was a long time ago and the

◼   ► sauna so in the early nineties right

◼   ► that was sonics heyday and these guys

◼   ► got into the Sonics they were they were

◼   ► yelling at each other about and I SAT

◼   ► there because I was loving it

◼   ► I did not want to be anywhere else and

◼   ► they yelled at each other about eighties

◼   ► basketball until they were yelling at

◼   ► each other about the Sonics and early

◼   ► nineties basketball which I still could

◼   ► follow along like I understood the terms

◼   ► yeah but so so waltzing around down in

◼   ► Venice IC IC the the the culture down

◼   ► there and like underneath the underneath

◼   ► the level of people selling a like

◼   ► Guatemalan pans underneath the level of

◼   ► in a sideshow Parker Parker ism

◼   ► the like whatever creepy like sub but

◼   ► like the real muscle beaches in santa

◼   ► monica right there but there's another

◼   ► muscle beach in Venice or like feel that

◼   ► muscle beach and having you exactly

◼   ► yeah like yeah it's the its earlier

◼   ► muscle beach feel like every answer

◼   ► Lysander's love the beach I feel like I

◼   ► want to send my remark because i have

◼   ► not been to Venice in a long time and I

◼   ► realized I sound like a dick

◼   ► there's there's a culture of performance

◼   ► to what those people are doing and now i

◼   ► feel kind of a dick that I said anything

◼   ► no no I because because I've been to

◼   ► Venice Beach in Venice California 1000

◼   ► times and I Drive down

◼   ► Albert kidney and I go to the beach and

◼   ► I walk walk around and I go there's

◼   ► nothing here for me and then I leave and

◼   ► then I came back and I did it again I

◼   ► was like there's nothing here for me and

◼   ► then I leave and then there's a Pinot we

◼   ► stop and get coffee and inteligencia and

◼   ► like I don't like this either

◼   ► for years I've been coming here and

◼   ► saying there's nothing here that

◼   ► interest me but now i'm here at more as

◼   ► a local and spending the days here and i

◼   ► find that there's their their levels

◼   ► upon levels but everybody a little bit

◼   ► of like and live in the suburbs are

◼   ► going to the mall

◼   ► we're going to the mall was its own

◼   ► thing you were not there to buy a dress

◼   ► shirt right you were maybe kind of their

◼   ► to get an Orange Julius but I freely

◼   ► went to the mall without a nickel in my

◼   ► pocket just to go to the mall and there

◼   ► was something that you did you knew

◼   ► somebody that worked at the squire shop

◼   ► it was kind of our version of cruising

◼   ► like like in a car like you walk around

◼   ► the mall for like three hours that's

◼   ► what we do that we just go to we would

◼   ► just go to the mall and that sounds

◼   ► somewhat similar

◼   ► this is the third place is the third

◼   ► location for people yeah i bought a

◼   ► bicycle from a guy i said i need a

◼   ► bicycle and this guy had a like a a

◼   ► rotten a rally an old raleigh 3-speed

◼   ► raleigh that I recognized immediately as

◼   ► a an older raleigh those are a British

◼   ► British bikes and so I said I'd give him

◼   ► a hundred bucks for it and he said okay

◼   ► and then I you know I did some searching

◼   ► did some online searching to try and

◼   ► identify the the raleigh it turns out

◼   ► it's in 1966 raleigh who which i'm in

◼   ► the process of sort of cleaning up and

◼   ► fix it up but so now I got this little

◼   ► this little vintagey sort of thing being

◼   ► kind of bicycle i look at David basket

◼   ► on yours

◼   ► I so i have a have a rack in the back

◼   ► and I'm and I'm i want to put a basket

◼   ► on it but i want it i want the runtastic

◼   ► to be one that you can put a bunch of

◼   ► stuff in right i want to be able to put

◼   ► a like a gallon of milk and a loaf of

◼   ► bread and stick of butter and be nice to

◼   ► be able to stick in a standard grocery

◼   ► bag without having to fiddle

◼   ► yeah i just put it in and it's like

◼   ► that's kind of a delivery guy Basque

◼   ► basak okay so i'm trying to find the

◼   ► right one so I haven't I haven't

◼   ► committed to it yet but so I'm riding

◼   ► around so now I'm a local right this

◼   ► isn't some dumb beach bike that I rent

◼   ► it from somebody who this is my quirky

◼   ► sixties like three speed British bike

◼   ► and so now I'm already feeling like

◼   ► what's Mike work you know going tonight

◼   ► am I gonna get a bowler

◼   ► yeah you know your that that's now your

◼   ► year you get that point where you gotta

◼   ► like oh you do i always want to sit on

◼   ► the side watch everybody else dance

◼   ► exactly it's gonna be a party i should

◼   ► get in there dance so yesterday i was

◼   ► having breakfast here in Venice Beach a

◼   ► guy rolls up ready for this motorcycle

◼   ► sidecar now what's in the side armor one

◼   ► bulldog that's right and what's the

◼   ► Bulldog wearing this is he wearing

◼   ► aviator helmet because this guy's got a

◼   ► he's got a pair of goggles really

◼   ► happened on the dog and and a

◼   ► handkerchief your next move around feels

◼   ► like something union where if he's like

◼   ► as you went down that path there was no

◼   ► way that wouldn't end with a bulldog

◼   ► just as an aviator so here i'm watching

◼   ► this guy gets up there and it's like a

◼   ► platonic form of Bulldogs exactly right

◼   ► it's a platonic form you know you might

◼   ► not put into to you might not put in a

◼   ► baseball cap that dog that dog needs to

◼   ► be an aviator

◼   ► what's so watching the whole thing

◼   ► unfold he pulls up in front of the

◼   ► sidewalk cafe where I meeting he talked

◼   ► to some people think they take his

◼   ► picture with the dog he looks like a

◼   ► normal guy he's not he's not wearing a

◼   ► sunflower costume right he's not Peter

◼   ► Gabriel he's like just wearing a jean

◼   ► jacket

◼   ► normal haircut and but he doesn't come

◼   ► into the restaurant he's he's out front

◼   ► of the restaurant for a while talking to

◼   ► people it's not clear that he knows

◼   ► anything he saw somebody was like hey

◼   ► there's my friend pulling over and then

◼   ► he gets on the motorcycle and the dog

◼   ► drive off and it's like does he just he

◼   ► just touring all the restaurants it's

◼   ► like sunday sunday morning I've seen

◼   ► I've seen people who do that I've seen

◼   ► belly dancers that do that I think

◼   ► people who just go from place to place

◼   ► doing their performance ya doing their

◼   ► work and so as i said as i sat and

◼   ► watched him and i watch this unfold I

◼   ► was like wait a minute this is a this is

◼   ► a platonic form this guy has chosen to

◼   ► be that guy

◼   ► the motorcycle with the Bulldog with the

◼   ► sidecar with the goggles sky he didn't

◼   ► invent this this is a this is the thing

◼   ► that we all these days as the hint has

◼   ► the hinges would say he's an avatar

◼   ► he's an avatar right he is the he is the

◼   ► mark twain impersonator but right now in

◼   ► Venice California he may be the only one

◼   ► he may be the guy and if I were 19 years

◼   ► old it's like a century 21 franchise say

◼   ► a limited to certain territory this is

◼   ► what I wonder what does he do if he's if

◼   ► he rides up in venice beach and there's

◼   ► another guy with a motorcycle with a

◼   ► sidecar with a bulldog with goggles

◼   ► like what if you want to be the parent

◼   ► guy there's already passed apparent what

◼   ► you want if you want to be talks about

◼   ► the deficit guy you're gonna have to go

◼   ► to tell if he dresses like Mark Twain

◼   ► guy there's a very good chance there's

◼   ► already a dresses like Mark Twain guy or

◼   ► what if you're Jimi Hendrix on roller

◼   ► skates guy like there's been a jimi

◼   ► hendrix on roller skates on venice beach

◼   ► for 40 years

◼   ► is it the same guy the whole time does

◼   ► he play guitar away skating he does Oh

◼   ► as an amplifier on his back and he's a

◼   ► good piece

◼   ► good enough guitar player that you

◼   ► identify the guitar parts as Jim

◼   ► Henderson Jimi Hendrix Ian but does is

◼   ► it the same guy does he anoint the next

◼   ► guy did you try out for that job when

◼   ► the when the guys ready to retire but

◼   ► but the motorcycle guy I was like which

◼   ► element came first right did he have the

◼   ► bulldog and then he said hey haha i'm

◼   ► gonna put goggles on you and then he was

◼   ► like wait a minute

◼   ► yeah this feels right to me and then he

◼   ► bought a motorcycle with a sidecar or

◼   ► yeah

◼   ► did he have a motorcycle and then he was

◼   ► many felt like you know I've always

◼   ► wanted a sidecar because i was a I was a

◼   ► motorcycle person and I wanted a sidecar

◼   ► until guess it went motorcycle for a

◼   ► long time

◼   ► Bulldog for some time oh he strapped on

◼   ► a sidecar and that point it's just a

◼   ► trip to the flea market 222 deck out

◼   ► your your animal so you feel like he

◼   ► sandwiched his way into it i don't see

◼   ► how it goes backwards we're watching a

◼   ► project runway where somebody made a

◼   ► pattern that was based on their own

◼   ► tattoo which I found very convoluted i

◼   ► think i think it's like I cannot comes

◼   ► razor thing like you know was like the

◼   ► order that way because it'll be very sad

◼   ► we started with chuckles you get back

◼   ► solving the goggles i looked at it and

◼   ► felt like it was very real possible my

◼   ► god a stoner burnout just walked by the

◼   ► front there

◼   ► I mean they're real here they look like

◼   ► they're that close yeah yeah like

◼   ► clearly he had no he was like.he he

◼   ► seriously was the dude right particular

◼   ► did ya just missing the sweater how man

◼   ► 82 degrees or whatever but I looked at

◼   ► the motorcycle sidecar guy and I felt

◼   ► like the whole thing came to him in a

◼   ► fever dream

◼   ► uh-huh like tomorrow I like today I am

◼   ► myself tomorrow i'm going to set in

◼   ► motion a chain of events that will that

◼   ► will will transform me

◼   ► into motorcycle side darkside Bulldog

◼   ► guy right

◼   ► you know like yeah I'm thinking because

◼   ► last night I was a movie I watched for

◼   ► the fourth or fifth time which is called

◼   ► a blue to prove you think of deceptive

◼   ► practice and Ricky J think you might

◼   ► have seen it once or twice I have you

◼   ► know what should i watch it fairly

◼   ► regularly because it's amazing and I'm

◼   ► the toxin particular about his

◼   ► relationship with the kids wasn't

◼   ► charlie miller and I vernon and how he

◼   ► would go to the magic castle in like

◼   ► there was like this this like it was

◼   ► like Fagan they're like all of these a

◼   ► spy in the seventies they're always like

◼   ► aspiring young magicians who would hang

◼   ► out with these guys and like try and get

◼   ► the information and would never give

◼   ► away their know he totally messed them

◼   ► like one time according to ricky jay you

◼   ► know he indicated is an amazing thing

◼   ► where he throws a card boomerangs back

◼   ► to him and I've earned said I've done at

◼   ► 39 times I've never been able to 40

◼   ► times if you can do 40 times i'll tell

◼   ► you this effect that you want to know

◼   ► and he did it and the 40th caught it

◼   ► behind his back

◼   ► just because he's a magic guy point

◼   ► being like they're all jockeying they're

◼   ► playing them against each other they're