Ep. 225: "James Jacket"
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who had John I'm Merlin how's it going
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it's going pretty good i'm i'm i'm not
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in my customary podcast scenario should
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I are sure you are now doesn't sound the
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he's some fantastic i have that Dad
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rock'n'roll years well it all sounds
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like to me write it just sounds like a
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compressed little uh one of those that
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the grilled cheese sandwiches that is
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made in a waffle iron
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it's what Robin Williams called a
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Buddhist gift oh I see what you mean
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something that you don't want that you
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have to learn to accept I heard in an
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interview in a documentary one time
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where I i think was Terry Gilliam was
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saying that mr. robin williams says that
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a mistake is a Buddhist gift you know we
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say in rock and roll is one time it's a
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one-time it's a clam m2 times it's a
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it's a team three times it's a it's a
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rift is that they make jazz Jon that's
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exactly I make sure how many clams take
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mm well it depends is that why it's also
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a red so what do you think mr. al 1233
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we points3 leaks something about that up
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about hope about that up
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oh no mr. Berlin I've been trying to
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listen to more music have you have you
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been trying to watch old a sudden that
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live episodes for mr. bill
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Oh mr. bill mr. bill is really look
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forward mr. bill so did I don't think I
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really wanted the implications of mr.
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bill you know there was that that's the
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that's that national lampoon sense of
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humor which i think you needed to be
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very very preppy and very very stone
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preppy and stoned pre-installed i'm in
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new york city right now what are you
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doing in there are you are you in the
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actual titular city something back
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it sounds like you might be one of the
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borough's i'm in a burrow right now I'm
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on the i'm on the great island of of
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long and but I'm staying in New York
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City and New York is really really full
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of young recipe drunk people
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he also smoked a lot and so much
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cigarette isn't me don't you see more
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smoking in the city enormously more
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smoking I mean everywhere else people
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don't smoke anymore they don't smoke
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anymore but in New York they smoke you
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smoke like it's just a normal thing they
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do they smoke like it's a normal thing
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and also they don't have any like
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prohibition against talking on the phone
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she's gonna want the phone all the time
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in San Francisco University of soul on
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well you see them do you see them
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staring at the phone and typing but
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people rarely you see you see a lot of
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people if you see people talking on the
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phone it's usually because they got one
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of those robot bluetooth things
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mhm and it's a that's that's a whole
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different kind of thing uh yeah that's
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that's right people in seattle the same
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way there staring at their phones
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they're engaged with their phone but
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they are not talking into it in any way
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and in New York they're talking into
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their phones and I think it's because
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you can't stare at your phone in New
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York or you'll be murdered
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yeah you know what i think that's that's
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part of the ethos i was in line at the
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snack bar at the cinema yesterday and I
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was thinking isn't this funny all five
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of the people in front of me are staring
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at their phones and I thought to myself
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you know why don't know with what i
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thought to myself self i said to myself
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I says well why don't people just talk
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to each other anymore
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oh and then and it was really nice one
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guy says to another guy in line when he
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got there and the guy says it's a
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yeast-like to put it on my popcorn haha
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it's on East and then they went into a
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long conversation about which theaters
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have ye stand down my just look at your
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fucking phone shut up I'm you know like
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if somebody if I said hey how's it going
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and somebody use the word yeast in the
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first sentence wow yeah that's a real
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like that's a real like pull back pull
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back get out get out
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yeast feels like the topic of a
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one-issue person what I call the file
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card person where there is one thing
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they want to be Bernie Sanders it could
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be bikes it could be east right how do
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you know that how do you know that you
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have a fireman at your party
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mmm i give up a dino will tell you huh
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that's one that's kind of non jokes and
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it's a great joke i mean i guess you
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have to know I guess you have to know it
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ultrafire man I justyou have to have
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ever had a fire it's like that that dark
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Russian sense of humor you have you have
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to be a nineties kids understand this
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fireman Jack yeah that'd be the joke
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being that a fireman is not going to
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miss an opportunity to tell you the
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firemen because they're here because
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yeah yeah there's there's a lot of folks
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like that god bless them you know what
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thank you for your service
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god bless them and I it was did I ever
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tell you about the time mostly about
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this the other day I regret not having
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joined the military
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hmm we granted when did that regret for
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start to evidencing itself
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well I when I was young I I always
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assumed i would be in the military at
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some point and then right about the time
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that you are the age of someone who's
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going to join the military right I was a
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I was a piece Nick an anarchist yeah and
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so not joining the military felt like a
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real rebellion against my earlier self
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no one was pressuring me to go into the
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military my mom actually anytime a
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recruiter would call the house my mom
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would like to swear at them and and slam
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not my son that's right and she said if
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you join the military i'm going to move
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you to Canada or something she had some
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idea that she could prohibit me from
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joining the military
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she was gonna disown because she is a
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real peace activist but i thought i
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would join the military and then during
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the during the heyday years where was
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like go join the military and learn
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discipline and be a young person I it
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wasn't in my that was part of my scene
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but then later like when I was 30 I said
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what I wish when I was 18 instead of the
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scene that I did occupy I'd gone and
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John join the military minutes but it's
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one of those things where you're like
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how can you say that
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well how different would you be right
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it's like completely different life but
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then after 911 when I was in my
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mid-thirties and still young enough to
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join the military
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I went and looked and they had been
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they'd raise the top age and I could
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at 35 years old and said sign me up
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I'm going to the you know going to fight
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on behalf of Justice going to the big
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whatever we thought then yeah right oh
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LOL mixed up about the country's but you
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know em um and I really thought about it
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but you know I had a lot going on sure
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and and now i'm too old to join the
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military and it's very easy for me to
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say boy I wish I joined the military but
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i do feel like having a kid like some
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other things in life you know some not
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not bucket list because that's vulgar
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but you know like the idea that that in
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the course of living a full life you do
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the you know you do the following things
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and we got to take your boxes grown-up
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yeah what was the you know starship
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troopers right they won't even give you
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a full citizenship and lose it and what
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if you know it's like Israel yeah that's
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right that's right like Israel everybody
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goes except in Israel it seems like
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everybody's super super sexy right
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that's a sexy army
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oh yeah and don't you learn like Jewish
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kungfu if they have their own special
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kungfu they teach you probably probably
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they you know that's like I think of
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them as like the tank top army em
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they're carrying their guns on the
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subway they're all wearing tank tops
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yeah it seems like it was a good way to
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be 19 carrying a gun and wearing a
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tanktop taiwan occurred to me i
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mentioned last week my primary high
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school girlfriend she joined the
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airforce when she was about once a 22
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maybe 23 your secondary high school
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program by a secondary and tertiary high
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school girlfriend occurred to me about
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five years ago that she's probably
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retired now from the Air Force yeah I
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think about it as a as a lieutenant
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colonel and she's making like a normal
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weight for the rest of her life
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II don't a pretty good they do yeah see
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that's one of the really think about it
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i really be in my country and retired
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they pay you not very well through the
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whole time that you're working
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comparable to what you could probably
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making in the real world but then they
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continue to pay you not your full salary
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but but pretty darn good but you get
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glasses and stuff like
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yes those nice VA hospitals me they're
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so great the NBA and you get that
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haircut that one haircut I definitely a
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you were a cadet right and I was a cadet
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we were both military cadets I for a
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year I was as a consequence of going to
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military school I was automatically in
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njrotc em and give you additional Junior
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ROTC if you just stayed in the njrotc
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yeah well they would have commissioned
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you in the Navy you'd be an officer now
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easily and of course i would have been
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an officer just by virtue of having been
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recognized as standing in the door of
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the recruiter yeah they would have said
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oh my god John I think they would've
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fast-tracked you I think if everybody
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had had had had their head together that
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you've probably been retired a couple
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years you know right into officer
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candidate school huh
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and it's sort of like if I had ever gone
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25 ever gone to Yale and stood in the
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doorway which I never did write it as a
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young person my gun stood in the doorway
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somebody would have seen the light kind
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of from behind right yeah there would
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have been like a angel choir
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well they could just see the cut of your
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jib just from the silhouette that's
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right from the silhouette and they would
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have said Jesus Christ what are you
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doing out there come in
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uh-huh and maybe I would have been
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pushing a broom but then i would have
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been solving math problems on the
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chalkboard in the you know in the night
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RC and that's the thing is once you're
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fast track you can really get super fast
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tracked and let's be honest with you and
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says uh what does he say showing up as
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eighty percent of life you show up at
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the Mossad or you show up to show up in
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the doorway of Yale they're going to
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walk you in and then once you've got a
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literal foot in the little door then the
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fast-tracking really starts and that's
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when they can you become like ender you
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know they're going to they're going to
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move you up a lot of a lot of places
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very very quickly they're gonna remember
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the game you don't in the game after you
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then they might try and Gaslight your
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little bit no spoilers but the point
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being I think at that point that they're
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going to see they're gonna be able to
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actually maybe even measure the cut of
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your jib let's be honest and this is
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yeah we'll go ahead no no I just I
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disappoints me John you you should be
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there so many things you should be
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retired from at this point breaks my
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heart to know to know how little your
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jib cut was appreciated breaks my heart
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but I don't know
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right when you're when you're making a
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list of the things that you ought to do
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in the course of a life
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yeah i don't know how many of those I've
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done already but i do know the ones that
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I've aged out of I do feel if you're
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gonna live a full life you should have
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been in the Mossad at one point
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yeah he should have gone to Yale and and
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gone through as a member of that the
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njrotc and let's see should have fought
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and overseas war retired before the age
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yeah right all these things what apps
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should have designed to have made an
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appt you should have made a nap after
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winning winning an Emmy right if you got
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out of the got out of the Navy or the
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Air Force let's say huh
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and then went to write for a hit comedy
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show you become he gotta pee gotta pee
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just an a2 it for the brilliant Mel
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Brooks Mel Brooks puts out an app boom
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he's a neat ah ha whatever we get Rita
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yeah yeah Mel Brooks who else did you
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know that I i wrote a tweet to Rita
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Moreno and then I put it in my drafts
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folder and I haven't sent it i do this
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both remember what it was i mean i'm not
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sure if you listen to the show but
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DeeDee of a sense of what is what you're
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going to say to her I do so I don't know
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if I've ever described it on this
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program but when my dad was after he was
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every had already left the washington
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state legislature and I think maybe yes
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in fact after he after he worked for
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John F Kennedy he was bouncing around
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let's say in Washington State
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it seemed like he had hard to put the
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stories all together as you know but it
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seems like he has somewhat missed an
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opportunity that in the early fifties he
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was again fast-tracked to being am a
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prominent Democrat in Washington and
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then somehow he had not played his cards
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right and Carrie was 40 years old not
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sure which way to which way to turn
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I don't don't really understand that
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feeling yeah right and you
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he was doing some acting now it's at the
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Cirque theatre in seattle in the surc
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was a kind of you know a little bit
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avant-garde it was theater-in-the-round
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and it was the theater space was in a
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neighborhood that was in the early
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sixties considered transitional which
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great operator of America
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yeah but at the time he was in this
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theater company and it was a theater
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gas that it was maybe before he went to
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now this is the same man who I don't I
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want to make clear that he never said he
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pistol he only claim to have shot at a
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japanese air he left the conclusion of
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he implied pretty strongly that he was
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going out on some dates with random rain
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some dates some number of dates romantic
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point no or maybe unclear
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this was also a transitional period he
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was he at one point he got divorced and
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then another point he met my mom I got
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through changes as simpana says right
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through changes right
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that's because the victim of changes as
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right this is our mad men era
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yep everybody's really well-dressed my
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wearing a pencil mustache
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well anyway went on
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outside the theater or no no I'm sorry
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he was escorting rita moreno out of the
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front door of the theater on their way
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to a date and a man steps out of the
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shadows and I know where the Cirque
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theater is and I know where the shadows
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are I can picture the shadows there
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right there foo man steps out of the
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shadows it's marlon brando top jimmy and
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Marlon Brando says Rita whenever I not
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do a good Marlin ready Rita who recruit
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offer get removed
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that's pretty good thanks I just stuffed
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a bunch of cotton in there and then rita
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my father's hopes now this story
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uh-huh is not verifiable by searching
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yeah I look at the internet and look at
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the Cirque playhouse and I can't see
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anything here about it right so the cert
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playhouse we'll confirm that Rita Moreno
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was in a production there she is this
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here it says here that I see her name
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here the impressive list of Hollywood
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stars who trod the boards at the Cirque
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includes many many names
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you got it yet Bob Cummings get King
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Donovan Marsha hunt Tab Hunter Howard
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keel you got to ride in McDowell rita
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yes oh my god what if that was all i was
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a big fan I love that guy
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I did too i just he's like the English
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Tony Randall it's exactly who he is and
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he he was at the time my favorite actor
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that's because i met him i think it is
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largely because I met him just as Count
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Basie was my favorite big band
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orchestral leader he may count basie
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well I stood there I stood there as my
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dad met like that was wearing a hat
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count basie was not working at okay um
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my dad massive count basie then he acted
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Richard he'll pack his genius
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but i actually was introduced to writing
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tweet to read Miranda okay so wait a
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was incredible man that's something we
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month that makes me so happy to hear it
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was wide by that point the circle
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theatre had moved was no longer in its
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he was one of the theater people is one
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well not really but he but he was a
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wrote this wheat to Rita Moreno who's
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kind of like toni tennille you don't
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following her on twitter
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she's a lot of emoji know she's you know
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she has this autobiography and she's and
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you know it's a good autobiography she's
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out she's tried on the board of a low of
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a book author but I don't know that's
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right they tried charging the both of us
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hi difficult wider planks can but so i
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don't know how many kisses away from
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writer from the line Rita Moreno is and
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i wrote this sweet and a little bit you
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know it's a little bit like dear reader
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marina my dad says that he may be like
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you never said that he that you guys
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like next in a parked car
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uh-huh but the young ran out of
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here's the lake there's a link to the
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residence sweet it did you say like
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create cre8 run together you're mr. and
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president within the space
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thought of him in years and she'll write
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name and I don't want to you know I
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one of your stories fact-checked after
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you're dead you can't win here
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that's not fair i hope that my archivist
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my stories because they
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oh how the journalist who like to check
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you know what I got to take your story
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this could be somebody who comes in and
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pick your own I've been watching the
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interesting than me but let's say one of
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yeah according to the internet but he
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cheated on her so much she tried to take
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oh my goodness i'm not saying anything
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one way or another I don't know did this
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government's become free to her I don't
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two names to see a very cool picture of
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yeah and that this was one of those
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probably release from treading the
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uh yeah and also probably from sexy time
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Marlon Brando fifties is not the Marlon
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really masculine but like maybe say what
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like James jacket the guy Danny
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James acting like a majestic forever
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young lord for he got the vulnerability
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that's correct but like you wouldn't
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rule out these may be bisexual
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oh no I don't know what out at all i
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don't think people had a name for that I
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don't think people i mean they had some
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majority of names but i think people saw
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that James jacket movie they can take
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yeah I think he had drug problems later
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on which is a shame bisexuality was
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understood to be a thing and I think
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New York City that was maybe even chic
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they got they got a certain kind of vibe
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let's be honest David rock was a great
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man i would not want to be seeing Marlon
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Brando come out of the shadows while I'm
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trying to make x ray Marino also know I
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met the thirty-year-old Marlon Brando in
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1954 so a long time before this and uh I
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cannot say this doesn't seem like
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reading Moreno's voice but the new york
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post a paragon of journalistic integrity
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is never wrong quotes are here to say
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that he was a great lover sensual
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generous delightfully inventive would be
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gravely understating what he did not
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only to my body but for my soul every
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aspect of being with Marlon was
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because he was more engaged in the world
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than anyone else i've ever known
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she writes I totally believe that mm I
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think he feels I think he felt things
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very very deeply well but she goes on
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now this isn't quoting i'm not sure that
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we're still post now i'm not sure how
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the New York Post does its backchecking
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yeah but she says or someone says the
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New York Post writer says possibly as an
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outgrowth of this he had insatiable
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sexual needs which he unabashedly
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pursued with droves of other women the
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now that's broke my heart and came close
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physical infidelity and worse with his
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emotional betrayal so this all happened
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before my dad before my dad met Rita
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almost that's broken heart he's the guy
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that's caused her to you know him crush
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almost crusher very spirit and yet she
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can't resist him and leaves my dad
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standing just adjacent to the shadows
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auto by our autobiography titled uh-huh
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if you're going to drop the author board
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and then that's where the story ends my
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dad does not he does not follow up with
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like well then the next day we had to
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keep doing this play
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he didn't say that was the last I ever
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saw are you know there's always that
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there's always the rest of the story
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which a lot of times you don't get
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because the dramatic moment isn't and
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then we kept doing the play for two
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weeks the dramatic moment is like
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Marlon Brando she's good storytelling
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yeah that's right but i dunno i have no
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idea i'm and and the internet is silent
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for the internet is the internet is
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intentionally meet on the subject maybe
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in the fullness of time your own
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incredulous biographer will be able to
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work on this i'm thinking here of
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reading the the Alexander Hamilton
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biography like all biographies it begins
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way before that person was born if you
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can do a biography you know well you
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take for example the great album cover
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Goldman biography of Elvis one of the
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great biographies that begins with us
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being fitted into a course in getting
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his hand and getting his diarrhea
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medicine before he goes on stage along
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with the speed that sets the stage for
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the Elvis you're gonna you're gonna get
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here but most biography start a long
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time before we're going to learn about
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Alexander Hamilton's yet grandparents
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before we learn about Alexander you know
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I'm saying yeah yeah so with you I mean
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obviously there's going to be some solid
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David Roderick material but i don't know
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i don't know we've talked about this
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before like a little checks
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it's not gonna make well but yeah I
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don't think there's a check i don't
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think it goes back as far as a checked
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it you know dinner with Rita but Rita
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being looked up and down by a by a
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predatory animal who spotted his prey
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animal in the in Life Magazine turns out
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john f kennedy hall dear and then after
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Marlon Brando she dated a berry as she
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describes him a very disappointing
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dennis hopper and the lamb boy Elvis
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the Elvis Marlon Brando and potentially
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my dad although you know he never my dad
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was not lascivious right he was like the
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only also you know you have to you have
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to remove these cataracts of history and
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go well that's the dennis hopper the
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fifties that's Elvis Presley of the
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fifties and if you get your idea of
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Elvis from the fat Elvis stamp man go
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watch Elvis in like 56 it's a whole
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different scene man look but yeah man
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but even look at him in the 68 Comeback
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68 Comeback now that synthetic means
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but he but it but it doesn't read as
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investment would he bring God brings he
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bring some motherfucking ruckus in that
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for shutdown he's got a lot of you know
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why it does sir can you imagine how much
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better your life would be if you get
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Scotty Moore get Scotty Moore in count
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basie I'm just saying you get some
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tasteful people in your band to mention
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the superb and you can have to if you
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have if you have Scotty more on guitar
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hero count basie on the keys who also
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gonna bring in that band to have the
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world's most tasteful backup band for
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John Rother now Blaine how Blaine right
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how blankie mentioned the patience of
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that man how patient he must have been I
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don't think of him as very patient
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well he's had a lot of problems in the
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cellars awards and stuff but you know
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just having to go through all all of
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like Phil Spector and Brian Wilson
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making a beat with their mouth and say
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and do that now change it uh-huh yeah
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just yeah right like sitting in the room
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while Brian Wilson goes 400 takes those
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stories are so great just you see that
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wrecking crew documentary but they would
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just show up and it would just be like
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dozens of people in the room perfect for
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uppers just over and over and sometimes
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nothing is Brian went to figure out how
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yeah Brian Brian would eat one reason
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might look learn to play the theremin um
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so yeah if i had how blame and Carol k
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just sitting in chairs smoking
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cigarettes at my shadow and the cat eye
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uh yes I didn't read my story
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yes and then Scotty Moore playing the
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guitar well and speed proper playing you
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don't mean you know if you have the
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wrecking crew at your disposal
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ok that's pretty good that's that's
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pretty advanced right yeah right and the
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playing second base you think why is
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that work tom petty that's not there
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why not have the whole thing of being
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recorded by george martin george more or
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watching sound breaking having you admit
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i just discovered it last night how
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fucking great sound breaking it's so
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great I with more than you expect you
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thinking this large another talking
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heads music documentary but holy shit
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it's so good helbling watched three
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episodes right in a row
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me too and I said this is really good
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why why is this not why are there not
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billboards in Times Square for this
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why do we have to keep watching like me
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Kevin James make more material and i'm
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not opposed to kevin james but he
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produces a lot of culture a lot pic i
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think disproportionate with his what is
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like is mm objective value right like
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here's Kevin James he's fine he's good i
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like impossible reason he's not sir
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Kevin James but you don't even have an
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he's got he's got a new TV show where he
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lawn chair and place a blue-collar guy
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with it with a suspiciously life and now
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he's in the subways here I see he's got
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a movie where he's a like he's a
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implausibly overweight like assassin
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you've got a premise that's that strong
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and you bring in a Kevin James at the
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license to print money my friend
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listen I'm gonna sell this in the room
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CIA assassin ok get stuck in the door
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food who now is a mall cop
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yeah well some guys will have it a shot
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and shove the charge mystery took you
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have the universe documentary
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yes I'm taneous contemporaneous with the
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all this kevin james culture documentary
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where they interview literally all of
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the Giants of popular music and they're
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all and and the the script for it is
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friend is this a podcast with that with
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two things on a crib from him number one
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you can find some pretty fucking amazing
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video footage that's right no better
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come from but also the canny way that
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it's not the usual
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ok now let's talk about glam rock now
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let's talk about new wave now let's talk
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like the q-tips got a thought on that
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person he was so gracious in this i'm
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not sure that was him he's beautiful in
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this thing and he's like you so Roger
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water says and just it comes it's cut
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something completely else and then all
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being floated on tour in a van
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we pulled off to the side of the road to
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listen to the entire album on the car
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stereo and were like blown away and said
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like how do we do next and you just go
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uh-huh right boom like that people here
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all the time sergeant pepper very
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influential album
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yeah but here's Roger Waters and you
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know like in 1968 pink floyd and when
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you think about think about what was
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here it is sergeant pepper in there like
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its theatrical music its theater and yet
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it's also pop music and go but also that
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making music that you can't play live
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meant to be something where we go to
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yeah that's touched it sits on your
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rights to it in sorry i had to get a dig
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you hired the hit maker yes in the car
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what I what what I came away from the
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three episodes with though I mean aside
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from like 700 wonderful moments and
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wonderful feelings was like watching
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nigel godrich who was no older than the
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radiohead bro he's so young
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yeah and he's just in the studio with
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them and they're just doing their thing
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feeling of making a record with a making
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a record with somebody where it where it
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you can try things
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yeah and they're just a their member of
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the band yeah and it's not a thing where
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you say you know oh well we've only got
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three more hours and then it all has to
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you know we have to wrap it up because
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there's another session in here and and
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it's like we're in here until this gets
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we're adele is developing first time
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a little bit contrived but the first
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going to this is not hound dog
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we're not going to do this 42 times and
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I don't know that story about her was
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exactly true but it worked for me I
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thought that was such a great bit even
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if even if it was massage a little bit
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who knows and apparel maker but but that
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story of her wanting to redo her first
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take the entire time that they were
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recording and then settling on the last
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one thing okay you can do it one more
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time but don't stop after one minute
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stop not as good as the first one stop
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is that what did you think when you saw
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that my so I wasn't able to see the
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voice all the way through
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oh gee sorry spoilers it's okay because
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because my uh my roommate in my hotel
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room here in New York City
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let's call it my roommate yeah said at
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four thirty in the morning and you turn
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after watching three straight episodes
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of it haha planet what are you watching
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it on we watching on ipad i know i was
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watching on the hotel television because
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it's a public television show on PBS
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that he had like on demand
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no it's on PBS it was just it i just
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looked into it was just I was looking
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through the channels watching procedure
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all crime dramas and like autopsy
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photographs cool i saw that their I've
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been watching him in the PBS app they're
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all up PS like a fucking just put them
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all up but that's so cool so you were
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watching him like wow that's exciting
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that's even so online i'm flipping
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through the channels right yeah and I
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come upon episode 1 in the first minute
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I look what's this I wonder match and
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then like so three episodes later I hear
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I hear this voice can you turn that down
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and I ended my first reaction is you
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have no idea what i'm watching here like
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no I can't turn it down i should turn it
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up yeah we should turn all the lights on
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well now that exploded for you it's
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basically a parrot Perry talking about
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awaiting the weight I get what you're
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I understand what it is because of this
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for many years within the music business
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it has been fairly common barely
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understood knowledge that christina
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in the game her legs everybody agrees
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everybody talks about it and and because
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it sounds amazing at first you think
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like I just she's just super talented
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she shows up she has done little checks
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yeah she's got some kind of cup of tea
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over here she works for an hour and then
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says you know fix it in the mix or
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whatever but everybody says she's a
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perfectionist and she just she works
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harder than anybody else in the room and
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as soon as Linda Perry showed up on the
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you know I have I she's very out she's
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very outspoken she's done a lot of
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amazing work in the music industry but
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she's also someone who's wearing a hat
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she's got a lot of neck tattoos and a
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story yeah she's got a lot of neck to
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she's got an unusual have anything like
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yeah unusual hat I mean that's what
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divorces me from for a little bit
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John used to have yeah ben harper in
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that episode also wearing a hat
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he's got started to like happiness
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towards he's got a story i'm saying you
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know what I mean this is like this is
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not the first time you've told this
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yeah do you remember the first Ben
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Harper record I know Ben Harper's name
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so ben harper now is a member of the
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sort of horde to her culture right you
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think of him now and somebody within the
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john mayer school of like em a little
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bit what I when I think of is like
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greasy dentist office music you know
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like it's not just dentist office music
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it's a little bit greasy to like the
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band train but it's just like it's on
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but it's in the dentist office so it's
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not offending anybody doesn't have been
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middle-aged people that are getting the
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peat cleaned but it's also trying to rep
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that it's either rock or blues in some
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kind of real spit in like oh this is the
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blues and it's not about the Blues
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something else it's something that
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little greasy but the first Ben Harper
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record was because ben harper and erick
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is almost exactly the same age I think
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and it came out in the nineties not even
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the late nineties and it was really good
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it was a huge this young guy that was
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playing lap steel at a time when kind of
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nobody was playing lap steel and it had
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these good tunes on it and 1992 yeah and
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it was being played in all the cool
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Seattle cafes it was like it was it did
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feel like here's a here's a guy that is
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doing something nobody else is doing is
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very authentic and these are good teams
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right it felt like the 1st Lenny Kravitz
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record where you're like what is this
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he's even better than terence trent
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d'arby but then as time goes on
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somehow they pick their they picked
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their culture it's not what you think
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their culture is going to be or maybe
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their culture picks them
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I've told you have an eye about the time
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like modest mouse in seattle and in the
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nineties was very cool young funky weird
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band doing some weird weird in angular
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yeah kind of kind of that initially
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there a little bit like almost parallel
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hubli yet right Isaac Brock would buy
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the cheapest guitar he could find with a
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with a whammy bar he would take the
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off and he would put his hand under the
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floating bridge at the back of the
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guitar and would manually whammy the
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bridge well we're wrong why don't we
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like he was he was doing that now with a
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whammy bar but just with the palm of his
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hand the butt of his hand it was like
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that kids doing something that nobody
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else is doing and then I was act i was
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at the show which I think was the
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turning point for modest mouse which was
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one day they were playing the crocodile
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cafe for their usual they expected their
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usual audience of 240 people and it was
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not their usual audience there was a
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sold-out show 350 people and the
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additional hundred people were all
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wearing white baseball caps backwards
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and modest mouse took the stage and were
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like whoa who are you and the hundred
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people went Wow modest mouse looked on
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stage horrified they looked as horrified
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as the as we were in the audience like
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who are these guys and it was the bros n
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roses he discovered them the bros
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discovered modest mouse and the bros
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came at where formerly there had been no
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bros there were now bros and the next
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time modest mouse played the 240 people
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who had followed their careers up until
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that point were gone and in their place
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were 900 bros and off they went I mean
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that was their career and you could you
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could tell they didn't want that you
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know you can see on their faces like no
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no no we want to we want the bar friends
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but you don't get to pick your audience
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and I wonder if that didn't happen to
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Ben Harper where been hyper was like wow
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what a while and one day they were all
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all these like joe michaels or dave
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michaels or what's in st. Michael's LOL
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yea jacket jacket right jack jack jack
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touch and then they were all there
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and uh and then it's like well you know
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but you don't get to pick your audience
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you gotta you gotta play for the people
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that are buying the ticket lots of
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crowded West came out in 1997 at least
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that's the first 1i owned i think one
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before that was a dub narcotic with a
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candle in 1k the they did everything
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oh I mean in the in those early early
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days it's not that they did everything
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right it's that everybody liked them
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yeah they were quirky they were really
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good and you know I I they they made an
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album that never they made some
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recordings that never came out that are
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kind of owned by a friend of mines that
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still sit on his shelf on tape and he
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said that when they were 19 years old
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they were literally sniffing glue
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huh and that feels very authentic yeah
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like glue sniffing hmm
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right sure that's like wow you got it
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you got to kind of stop and put your
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finger on your chin and stare up at the
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ceiling after certain age that when
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you're doing and what you're doing it to
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you're just sniffing glue because we
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think they'll never catch on in New York
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I mean as it is right now
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last time i was in new york i just felt
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like everybody was smoking and now I'm
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here in San Francisco for smoking might
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as well be masturbating into a back its
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it really looks like you said look I'm
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so sorry i just got 10 minutes i'm
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really stressed out you know anyone
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who's anyone could get hot you never
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know if you like New York really really
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doesn't just is just doesn't care
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and it's not ever going to care I
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remember one smoking was first outlawed
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in Los Angeles and there were all these
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bars where they so Los Angeles used to
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have a thing I don't think it does it
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but it used to be very fashionable in LA
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to turn the lights down in the bar so
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low that you felt like you were in a
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catacomb could walk into a normal bar
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that normal couches and people sitting
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around and the lights were so freaking
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well they couldn't he was like you can't
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really navigate this social space
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because if everyone is just in shadow
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very safe it was not it didn't feel I
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was not and that you know I was rock and
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roll but I was not that comfortable
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being in a room with 300 people that I
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couldn't see because of dark not because
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if it was stranded people I couldn't see
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because of smoked a line chart and
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people I couldn't see before organic
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that's more like a grassroots kind of
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yeah smoking up smoke it up but when
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smoking was first outlawed in Los
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Angeles there were all these bars where
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it was clear that that somebody said
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we're just not going to force that and
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so there was suddenly not just not just
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the normal amount of smoking is cool but
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now this additional like smoking is
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I don't think that I don't think that
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goes on in la anymore i think that that
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was very that was very brief and then
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people realized women were la like wheat
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per capita 40 avocados a week remember
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capital that's a lot of condos you know
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yeah you know that's why of that's why
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global warming is that right yeah
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because of the avocados avocados you can
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get in California but people in 40 a day
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what you got yet probably have a 90
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million people in LA so many million
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people something like the times x 40
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avocados a day that's like 3600 avocados
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easy so that's why global warming haha
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not because there's not the kind of
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journalism that we used to have now and
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the smoke is probably not helping i see
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i think the smoking is out
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oh is it turns out John I'm looking out
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started smoking again i'm looking at
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sniffing glue here on the internet
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locker room you don't see locker room
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and rush like he is too with locker room
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oh yeah I've heard them called amyl
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nitrates I think the poppers but we just
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get a bottle of it and start it right
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all you're telling me that used to snort
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amyl nitrate I didn't know that's what
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it was called then I I see four years i
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heard angle nitrate as the drug that you
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would use in a gay bar today
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well see to me you would go to it i
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don't know i never knew why you went to
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a sex shop to get it but you would go to
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a sex shop and you play something on the
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order of five to eight dollars for a
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bottle of in Florida was called rush in
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most other places it was called locker
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oh my god locker room locker room holy
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shit never occur to me till now so yeah
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right God's right it's right here on the
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label Bingbing you know you and you can
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you could snort that and I you know I
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used to do a fair amount that you clumsy
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ox my sense of smell nitrate was that it
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was a thing that you did right as you
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yeah and and it turned your you know
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talk about jacking off in a bag
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yeah I control the whole thing into like
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a well-liked man on Coney Island it was
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a lot to recommend it yes certainly
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you're gonna have a brain-damaged
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situation but but the beauty of it was
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you could take it you could pretty
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easily get that into a concert and you
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can keep it in your car and it was the
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kind of thing where like if you smoked a
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doobie you're gonna have lots of smoke
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and stuff but like with with with locker
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room you get really super-high for like
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90 seconds and in Gila headache and it
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goes away you do it again
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soccer room locker room you know the
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inhalant of choice in Alaska at the time
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was nitrous oxide and we would go to the
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party sometimes that's made a comeback
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we find a lot of those on the street
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nitrous yep it's a column yeah we but we
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would go we don't we need weapons but we
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also went to the party supply store and
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would buy like a canister besides pretty
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costly if you buy a man with it
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format even if you've got a cracker in a
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balloon that's that gets pretty costly
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yeah you so we that's why we would buy
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them in these like fire extinguisher
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sized you can't you saying you cut out
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the middleman cut out the middleman mhm
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and we'd say we're putting on up
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we're doing a party for our high school
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home and we'd like to buy a thing of
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this for our balloons and they would be
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like here you go son have a good time
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now with cream party and then there was
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mhm you would screw on it that would
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allow you to fill up balloons and of
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course how do you use nitrous oxide you
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fill up a balloon we switch balloons you
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think about going
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shopping buy this thing we call it a
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cracker what is this thing that there
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was a bespoke item laconic brass
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knuckles you open it up and stick the
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little whip it in there and then you had
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a our kids punch balloon attached to
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yeah points and classic ugly drug
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yeah but we never no one was hip to amyl
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nitrate in Alaska we were too busy doing
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nitrous let alone and I think nitrous so
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it's nice it's wit very superior it's a
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wonderful wonderful high if you've never
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tried it i highly recommend it and I'm
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not a doctor I'm not a medical doctor
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friend introduced me to nitrous oxide
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and dancing siouxsie and the banshees
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and I never looked back
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I was listening to Siouxsie and the
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Banshees the other day yeah said their
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lives and uh well matter and i'll tell
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you if we don't know imagine that
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imagine get the 12 inch of that the
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really long version
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yeah you doing some nitrous think about
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that for a minute buddy i am thinking
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about it i miss you at least want to
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masturbate in the bag
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I lived it lived it and I it's also you
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know nitrous oxide is very good with
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with classic classic era of British
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oh yeah yeah yeah and it's I can also
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well i'm not suggesting this I don't
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think it's a good idea but it can also
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be nice when you're super high
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ok so this is this is the thing and this
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is what I've never fully legit dr pepper
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with that what you used to drink dr.
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pepper is that right yeah well mountain
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dew unnecessary monday and then dr.
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pepper as as time went on I said look
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mountains for kids
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yeah a dr pepper is a sophisticated
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drink sophisticated because because it's
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old and you feel like an old-world drink
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it's an old-world drink you think of you
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know like an old man is going to order a
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dr pepper and a soda fountain
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yeah it's got like a pretty taste
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nobody's gonna order a mountain dew this
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I mean mountain dew is like it if you're
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down in the different and strange
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fucking MOOCs in cheeps fuck that if
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you're if you're in the Appalachians and
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you say mountain dew you might get a
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moonshot oh are you might get my get a
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bottle of crystal meth
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I bet it's one of those things where
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somebody call namespace pollution I bet
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there's a lot of things called Mountain
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Dew and be real careful which order and
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on whom I bet if you're in the Panhandle
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in san francisco and you ask the iphone
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mountain dew you're going to get a sheet
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of blotter acid coordinate your hand
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here or you're in a bag of that hand you
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the bag gonna rush guys North this while
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urinating on we gotta get a mountain dew
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I feel I feel like the thing about
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nitrous oxide when you're watching when
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you're watching a movie in the speed or
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rush sonra right where some
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rush sonra right where some
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young people are driving some fast cars
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ok some like gone and gone in 30 seconds
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yeah or whatever the feathers found in
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the angry yeah gone in 15 seconds 15
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seconds and then that then the following
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movie was gone 11 seconds 15-5 so all of
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those all of those movies those racers
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movies yeah you'll notice that they
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often have a bottle of nitrous oxide as
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a performance enhancer yeah right but
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where they shoot nitrous into their car
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and it somehow i think the way it works
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is that it somehow it just uh Evel
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Knievel has given talks about this you
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can use to say you don't be doing drugs
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that's like doing pure nitrous now nux
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when nuts hit the pedal to get the extra
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speed in fury road is that nitrous
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knocks knocks nitrous oxide right and no
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ass and yeah I like densify the fuel or
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something and then at work ones and then
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you're all of a sudden you're slammed
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back into the back of your chair at my
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don't have power potential mangel bar
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yep yep and and i'm good i'm gonna go
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out on a limb here and say that the if
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even one of those movies when the
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nitrous button gets pushed you have the
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person that goes into the lead at that
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moment is not going to win the race
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oh my yeah yeah yeahs oil mm-hmm
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but so I have found that nitrous is acts
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similarly as a power enhancer for other
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drugs like marijuana if you do some
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marijuana and then you push the button
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on some nitrous yeah you're going to get
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more stone more hot and he would have an
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additive quality right around now I'm
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sure there are people listening to this
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program we were like why are these two
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advocating drugs i can well we're not
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but i can tell you why because our
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marijuana is not your marijuana
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mm that's right want to you by you by
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that's fucking crazy as marijuana you
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people he loved your marijuana get
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forget it i had stuff like that maybe
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once in my life maybe your top of the
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chronic i am talking about the chronic
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didn't that the medical grade as they
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yeah i'm talking about the Matanuska
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thunderfuck operations I'm i wanted i
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went to a drug screening of the day
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first time I've been in 1i draw anymore
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i want to know the story of drug the
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story of the ok tienda de les drugs they
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lost wrongs and I said to the guy leaned
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on the counter you know kind of casual
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because I don't belong there
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right because i haven't done any drugs
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in 20 years now but I'm there were some
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friends they wanted to go to the
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hey we're in seattle can we go to the
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drugstore mhm I was like Charlotte the
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drugstore I know where one is i know
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gallon owns one we go and we're leaning
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there and they've got some they've got
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some pot people working behind the
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counter and my friends are looking at
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all the stuff that you can buy bubblegum
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and bubble yum and there's a their bath
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salts that are infused with pot
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Taiwanese face pollution you know what I
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mean like like face cream and condom
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utilize the store of drugs in order bath
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salts and give you marijuana things to
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it looks like a bath salt its acts like
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a bag about salt it smells like Bath ok
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but its full park
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okay but it's not the face-eating kind i
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don't think that i think the jury's
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still out on that face eating stuff ya
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know that was in Tallahassee yeah the
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first one or the second I don't know
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did you hear about the second one was
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another one yeah the first one was the
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was the first one where the guy got shot
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and socks face-eating but there was
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another one recently a boy a young man
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who was a trump supporter freaked out in
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again in Florida yeah unclear whether
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you suck sorry about pans and he also
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ate someone's face the flock out what
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they call it was flaca flaca is that the
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name of Flaco Flaco or bath salts of
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Flaco Flaco Fla AKA fly really liked is
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like a tease dance records flock
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together play the pan-flute John mm the
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pin flute cry realism hear it leaked a
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Enrique swallowed a and wreak a simpler
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I'm really know your rights and pure he
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zamfir jacket he's not the only one to
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play the pan-flute oh yeah he's a
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self-proclaimed master of the pan so I
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don't think it's like I don't think it's
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like a river dance lord of the dance
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we're clearly Michael finally is is is
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the lord of the dance we really have you
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ever seen him dance did the Queen only
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met either bae i feel like if your lord
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of the dance that you should use that
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property and maybe like a member of
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that's right that's exactly right here
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you should be in the House of Lords if
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you're the Lord of the day and I haven't
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seen the end of the crown I still got
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one episode left so maybe Michael
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Michael priorities of boxers you wanna
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fuck with that guy that's what i heard
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doesn't stand in a clearing
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oh yeah um you know what you can watch
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on youtube and my daughter i watch this
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twice a month you can go and see the
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final performance of Riverdance from
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circa nineteen ninety-six and it's a
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it's breathtaking be like the final
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performance of the Riverdance is what we
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were all waiting for
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mm-hmm did you find a breathtaking be
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clapping club club club of of that dance
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their lines could be a little bit
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straighter but given credit you know
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they've been at it for years things we
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got burned out on that because it's
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always in TV commercials for years but
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then i finally watched it on YouTube and
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I was like this is pretty good also the
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lady dancing with them i saw single
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check out the latest dance with him she
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looks like she smells good shape
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deceived you Waldo
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yep i wanted a Torino I that reader
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marina smells good
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I bet she doesn't clog dance though
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you've seen her dance
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oh yeah everything from anoka west side
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story i highly recommend you pick up we
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watched it the daughter has seen we have
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watched this movie we like this movie
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like the new from the first cigarettes
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your last time day I i was on youtube
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for whatever reason for whatever reason
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that anybody who spent a lot of time on
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youtube and i saw a thing where there
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were it was it was some kind of show and
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i'm going to say Broadway asked show
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more off-broadway show where a group of
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hip-hop dancers and a group of river
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had a sort of dance off West Side Story
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mhm where they were beefing some kind of
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beef and then one guy went oh yeah well
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company property pops and then the other
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guy went oh yeah well
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oh no was tap it wasn't it wasn't
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hip-hop dance it was tap but done in a
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contemporary style it's a different app
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versus urban tap like yeah like tap but
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but with a lot of with a lot of hip-hop
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shading mhm and then Riverdance but in a
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sort of like this is just how we do in
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Ireland this is just were sitting around
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this is our urban dance style when
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things get a little rough in belfast
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yeah Candice I think it's a regular iron
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isn't in Northern Ireland thing I
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thought it was a regular Ireland thing
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oh I'm going to say I'm gonna go with
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you and say regular Ireland you know
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there are regular Irish up in belfast to
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not all the Orangemen mm but so it was a
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it was very entertaining show where
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there was like you know some savvy on
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clover style as deputy deputy dap yeah I
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love that stuff left and then then then
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clapping clapping clapping over here and
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for a brief moment in the middle of the
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show you think all these are these are
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there's there's similar talent required
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to do these styles rightly property
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coppers are really moving fast and doing
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lots of stuff and then the tap a dances
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you know like also we all love tap turns
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but then as the show progresses the tap
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dancers cannot help themselves and they
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the Irish dancer you all just really
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just lay waste to them and it's not part
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of its not meant to happen it's not part
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of this that the show is meant to be
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like see these two traditions of club
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dancing there's the same but in fact the
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tap dancers were a thousand times better
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dancers and they just you know they just
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up and then there's because they are
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capable of so much more polyrhythm
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there's so much more like off accent and
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like smooth like like style and you're
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allowed to use your arms in your arms
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you can do and you can slide there's
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almost sort of sliding and like you're
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dancing on the on the sand and then that
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caused me once I realized the tap
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dancing was just empirically superior to
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all other dance who then I went down and
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tap dancing YouTube rabbit hole where
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you're watching like some of the Great's
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the tap great you know its name and that
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was his name and jacket what's-his-name
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Nick Gregory object if not greater
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behind the grounds jacket yeah but the
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guys but the guys that Gregor that were
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like the Gregory Hines was paying
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respect to like the the that you know
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the originator or maybe not the
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originals but that generation which
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angles robinson type situation
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mmm they were they were all like 75 when
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Gregory Hines was right and he's like
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i'd like to introduce to you the man
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that taught me everything is so huge and
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tap dancing that's right he's he was he
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brought tap-dancing forward very hot but
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but had great reverence for the people
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that came before
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that's right the river i like them so
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they were there were there was there is
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a lot of footage on youtube of like the
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Masters the old school masters of tap
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and they all have different styles and
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there's there's some mold there's some
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show where a bunch of these guys at 80
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we're all doing a little bit of tap
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battle against each other and AH talk
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about charming but that's classy as hell
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i watched it and I got pregnant
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m3m complicated times
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I feel like I feel like siouxsie and the
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banshees are becoming more important to
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me as time goes on
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oh and I don't know how that can be true
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because i didn't like I like them but I
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didn't feel like they were and you know
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they were like a sub cure
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well they were as an American I was a
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huge fan actually cities in dust was the
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first season and cheese thing I got into
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I I then went back and the other stuff
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but they're in a weird place it from an
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American standpoint because like you
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might know she's kind of famous for
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being like an original punk you might
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know they're kind of famous because
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Robert cures in the band Robert now old
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General Robert Robert jacket was in the
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band room for like a year right
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yep early no I think I think maybe kind
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of around that time like around the
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ethical he took some time off from from
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the curb and but but but they're in a
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weird place so they kinda that God are
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they one they dance it's kinda weird but
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they're such a perfect fit for England
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in some ways but in America they're kind
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of like you know neither fish nor fowl
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unless your super fan fiction fluence
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I'm like God got kids Hopkins yeah
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that's right now only 90s kids would
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hmm I feel like gary numan and Human
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League and your rhythm makes we're all
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on my side of the line that I drew
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somewhere without knowing someone in the
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Human League and the rhythms were on the
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side of the line that I dug em but like
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depeche mode and many of those like
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bands that most people might know from
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one hit song they have not just meaning
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more songs that you may not have heard
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but we're in other bands before you got
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to boy army got the tourists you got all
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this great music that like never
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surfaced over here
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yeah right but there was but there was
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also a line of seriousness and somehow
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even though flock of seagulls were
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really derided at the time for their
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I always include its flock of seagulls
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on the side human league with mixed
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green human flock of seagulls
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I i accepted those bands and enjoy them
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even if I was quiet about it
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yeah yeahs Depeche Mode Thompson Twins a
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that stuff over here I was not on its
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team i was i was against it for whatever
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reason it didn't like ABC like ABC well
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I know but I just was against it
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uh-huh and I a tense like Depeche Mode
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like Susan the Banshees I had it over
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I had a kind of over in the depeche mode
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category where I couldn't quite couldn't
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quite bring it over into the like I
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really was into duran duran didn't like
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yeah they let me ask you this
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look at the weekly paper something you
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ever seen a movie called Ferg a music
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war organ music wore seat not to me that
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movie was very very important to me
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really oh god yes and I saw it my friend
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taped it off probably night-fighter HBO
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probably 1983 and it was funny because
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on the one hand you can see what the
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go-go's look like before they were the
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go-go's but listen this lineup
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omd magazine go-go's was going to jump
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through some of these fleshtones joan
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jett x.x TC devo the cramps ongoing go
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dead kennedys gary numan giving you and
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I think doing it to where my song Klaus
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Nomi first exposure to class know me
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wall of Voodoo père Ubu steel pulse
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ub40 echo and the bunnymen in the police
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so you see the police devo go-go's wall
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of food bands that were like already
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kind of known for something in America
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was my first exposure to the cramps
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yeah sucks interior sticks the
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microphone news fucking pants like what
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is this first time I ever saw dead
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kennedys hmm you know what I mean like
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seeing as this mash and like none of
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these bands have that much to do with
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other than nobody else in my school
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uh-uh no I mean that sounds silly but
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like and but remember was the steel
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pulse comes out they do kk and they came
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out in the robes it was like it was such
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a stunning movie it's just a concert
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movie of like shows in London in and LA
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but like that such and remember Gary
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Numan coming out in a little car now and
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then the bag then the fucking weird that
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was like what is going to Klaus Nomi
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total eclipse like what is this what is
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happening i would like to recommend to
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people who are listening to this program
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that that right when we go right when
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Merlin hits the bell and then we start
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talking about siouxsie the banshees you
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push play on music war
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yeah and then this will perfectly lineup
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with it ok she doing now you ready ready
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means war through the wall
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total timely clips of
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