The Talk Show

25: A Therapeutic Dose of Imodium, with Merlin Mann


  I have a bit of a cold can hear it just

  when you sniffle what kind of culture

  got I got the good kind

  I got the kind of don't i don't feel

  like my whole body doesn't feel sick and

  I only feel sick from like the neck up

  I feel like a constipated that's a good

  girl it's a good called I don't feel I

  hate a long cold now it's not a long

  cold it's it's it i feel like my head is

  a prop in a Nickelodeon TV show

  uh-huh uh-huh right just take it down

  from the shelf and snap it around if you

  stay with code word then this dinner

  then all the group is gonna is gonna

  come gushing out

  oh god that was weird like I seem to

  like that goop little too much when

  there's some cute girl over the music

  career that was on there

  oh yeah otherwise i wanted some light on

  that my sister used to watch that show

  so the and so therefore i used to watch

  that show because what else are you

  going to do when someone else in your

  family with one TV set is watching the

  show that you don't even enjoy and that

  you're going to sit there and comment

  about how you don't enjoy it every

  single day during a half hour that it's

  not there is nothing else in the

  universe you could do during that time

  then to sit there and complain about it

  mm it's like a chain together because

  there's times when you're going to watch

  your baseball or whatever and she's

  going to be moaning and so you could

  always in cause a reaction similar to

  that when you watch it or as i

  understand i'm an only child as you know

  but you can also hit her understand I

  wish I was an only child

  mm I you know I never looked back to I

  gotta tell you the truth there's you

  know I few things get under my skin the

  way the phrase just the one gets under

  my skin

  I don't know why that bothers bothers me

  so much but it really really bugs me and

  and I as an only child my daughter that

  are my wife is the youngest of seven so

  she she know that that's close to being

  an only child

  it is an injury when you're the youngest

  you're very you you well I think there's

  really only one only child in a seven

  child family that's the oldest they take

  a thousand pictures that kid they take

  500 pictures in this connection you can

  do the math there's one picture of my

  daughter play something a little bit

  about it

  i think is one of her like getting a

  broken arm set in the garage or

  something with that perfect i'll be

  honest i find that stopping over x-ray

  it just says Madeline 1978 it's rubbed

  off and just broken wrists but you're

  doing well you certainly sound you sound

  great for Sigma now you see my command

  is not afraid to to tweak his body with

  the chemicals are indeed we take for

  that you do a sudafed you go go to the

  pharmacy now here if we want to get

  sudafed the real thing

  the stuff that really works you gotta go

  I guess its federal do you have to go to

  the pharmacy and plopped down in july i

  have honestly given up on legitimate

  sudafed I don't know that we have any

  might have some stashed away somewhere

  where I used to I used to always suffer

  and and take nothing and then Amy would

  tell me you're an idiot you're all

  stuffed up you got to take some sudafed

  and i would take some sudafed and then I

  would realize you know this is a there's

  a there's a medicine that actually does

  what it's supposed to do but it really

  isit's yeah i know you you've used one

  of your recurring bit but the way you

  know the the the but hoops you have to

  jump through now to buy sudafed united

  states are so absurd that it i realized

  i was a bit i polished not even a bit

  but it's it's a very frustrating

  yeah because it's you know it's

  something that actually worked it worked

  as you know people people used to walk

  in there in the days when I would enjoy

  faedron it used to be you could walk in

  there the ephedrine that I used to get

  the really good stuff the unadulterated

  unadulterated stuff that i would buy for

  band practice in the eighties you get a

  bottle of like think 50 for three

  dollars American seeing a malt liquor

  and fifty ephedrine for less than five

  bucks so you know that's right company

  so people go in there and these these

  low-level doofuses would go in and steal

  packages and packages sudafed and then I

  guess make a small amount of my theory

  on this is that it is to stop illegal

  drug production i believe but you know

  you watch more movies I don't think

  that's how you do it you want to

  lufthansa level heights you're not gonna

  go to walgreens for times like you're

  going to think bigger

  I think you have hijacked a truck you'll

  stick something in your gang jacket and

  walk out yeah I don't understand why it

  can't just be a

  using a ball limit you know that you

  could buy 10 24 capsules in a single

  transaction at the counter because if

  you if you know Phyllis some kind of

  reasonable limit like that then how

  would you possibly a mass large-scale

  amounts of this stuff wouldn't be worth

  it i mean you definitely you know what

  if you just hop around town to every

  single walgreens that you would get you

  know picking up 24 at a time that dead

  but by the end of the day you'd end up

  with don't know you know hundred and

  forty capsules give a sense of how much

  meth you could make on a day like that i

  don't know i don't know i'm guessing not

  like a lot even if you have a bathtub

  and the right chemicals i bet you can't

  make a time math with that much cold

  medicine yeah I just don't get it i feel

  like it's over reaction and I've i never

  i personally have never and enjoyed

  sudafed and I i guess i feel that way

  about a lot of former college illogical

  you let go in the other direction

  yeah I like you like something that

  comes with fellow yeah exactly exactly

  what i don't need is we have cold like

  this i don't i don't need anything

  soon you don't you ever do the theraflu

  I've tried crap like that never does

  anything em they're flowing imodium and

  that's what keeps this country running

  hey I would get so much less

  accomplished in the aggregate without

  this two things i'm not saying take them

  at once unless you're gonna drink a lot

  of water but it's nice you know it's

  like Nietzsche says it's nice to know

  it's there

  the motive is is I was one of the best

  named best put a name they came up with

  the mode foot

  what would you have called it I don't

  know but somehow it connotes what it

  does without being gross and you know

  that that's you know that that's what

  the meeting was that somebody at the

  meeting they they said look we're

  nobody's getting up from this table

  until we come up with a name for this

  thing right we know it works reasonably

  happens to show networks it

  yeah the the pointy headed guy from the

  lab is like well it has to end with a

  modem it has to end with odium for legal

  reasons and yeah but what people get a

  sense that it works immediately

  wait a minute well let's go to the

  whiteboard immediate code and I got no


  sure sure everything is a modem is like

  be really went beer in mobile you'll eat

  you pay for imodium a couple days later

  I don't want the real your show but just

  so you know if you take a lot of imodium

  like a therapeutic dose it doesn't mean

  it goes away

  you know what i mean it's it's like

  you're basically you're sweeping that

  detris under the rug and that rug will

  eventually get full probably kind of

  gross i'm also i also would like to find

  out what you really show but i would

  like to thank you also for first of all

  making me really want what's the name of

  that drink

  Henry box Brown oh my god that sounds so

  good and also I'm just very grateful

  that you have taught me about the

  existence of mr. Henry box Brown always

  another great story isn't it was an

  urban myth and I can't believe that's


  there's a couple of mean I could go on

  and on and on about Hopsin under mat and

  someday like I want to come to

  Philadelphia just to go to someday I

  want to I you know you're on you're the

  guy who I know if I could get you in the

  right mood you would love it but you're

  the one friend of mine who I worry that

  that maybe you wouldn't is a fan is it

  like talking about your drink guy rolled

  up sleeves don't know you but but but

  you you you might worry that it is when

  you get there you might think all this

  is going to be one of those places but

  it's not i think if i get a couple box

  Browns under my belt i'm going to help

  right right one of the things is and and

  and you're going to use you hear this

  and i know you're going to worry that

  the place odds that place there's ok

  there's no signage there's no marking on

  the outside that says this is Hopsin

  line no Matt and in fact it's in a

  stretch of Chinatown here in

  Philadelphia is on the side of the

  street where it you really wouldn't

  think there's any open retail

  establishments on that street on the

  other side of the street there's a

  couple of nice chinese restaurants but

  on this side of the street it looks like

  everything's closed including the

  building where Hopsin yes and there's

  just a little love

  there's a like metal gate in front of

  the door and a little buzzer to ring the

  buzzer and maybe the guy comes out maybe

  nobody comes out and you just stand

  there in your weight and eventually

  somebody comes out and if there is any

  room available they will let you in and

  if there is no room available they will

  tell you

  then you'll have to wait because they

  don't want anybody it's a type of place

  and I appreciate this is some more like

  you're almost like a restaurant where

  you're not allowed to just stand around

  either have a seat at the bar or you

  have a table or you're not inside yet

  they have a little auntie room for you

  come in and and lead the owner you will

  explain the rules of the place to the

  antechamber the entire floor is paved

  with tails up pennies from corner to


  well except there's two or three of them

  their heads up if you look closely it's

  beautiful though it's really really have

  a they have rules and apparently they

  have is it accurate they have a dress

  code they do have a dress code

  just like the number one Google searches

  like four hops along the address

  definitely a dress code you cannot you

  can't get in there with shorts not

  really a problem at this time of year

  but no shorts no flip-flops gotta look

  like an adult that should that should

  just be a rule everywhere i think is

  sneakers might be a problem

  i I'm not sure so that might be the one

  thing that I in John just what I will I

  will make it work

  I'm gonna come here just for that I will

  make it work because this and it's the

  key to this is the than if i meet you

  want maybe you want to tell your

  audience with this is it sounds like a

  very deceptively simple drought that has

  a couple of important well I'll tell you

  the first time I had the first time I

  had it I've been intrigued by hop sing

  ever since I heard about it and it was

  supposed to open

  I don't know your and a half ago or

  something like that and i had my eye on

  it and kept checking a couple of the was

  like the only thing that made me check

  the Philadelphia food blogs and stuff

  like that and it never seen you know and

  I'd go past it and look and of course

  and even now it doesn't really look like

  it's open but there was never any spread

  sign that the thing was ever getting

  closer to opening and then about a year

  ago it was supposed to open right after

  like new years you know 11 months ago or

  whatever it was it was getting rumored

  that it was going to be was going to

  open soon and the word was that if you

  don't follow him on Twitter that you can

  maybe get invited in early so I just all

  I did was follow the guy and and I don't

  know week or two later I got like a I

  don't know there's a gnat reply or DM or

  something but it was you know you if you

  want to come in for a tasting we're

  having a tasting invitation-only tasting

  tuesday night you want to come in and I

  was like yeah of course although i had

  no you know what actually I could just

  go on and on with this guy that is so


  actually what he did was that before i

  got invited to the tasting he invited me

  and Amy to come in one afternoon just to

  see the place that's right I said I

  didn't get a drink the first time I went


  so Amy and I come over it's like a

  Tuesday afternoon and Jonas stone school

  and he lets us in were you hoping just

  curiosity when you went there all

  Genesis at school we kind of hoping to

  get a drink now I because I didn't think

  it was even legal because i don't think

  that it was you know I mean they're just

  like a lot of Licensing type situation

  not that you can't you know

  pour one out you know on this like to

  see had one before you write but we go

  in and we come in the main room and it

  really is it's just a beautiful it's

  just beautiful I can't do any justice to

  I mean there's a couple of photographs

  that are out there of the room but it

  really is just a beautiful place and he

  was showing us some of the stuff but the

  whole time

  there's a guy sitting at a table in the

  middle of the room a young guy maybe at

  22 23 and and then offhandedly we have

  no what we have no idea who he is he's

  just sitting there like sort of very

  straight back in about five minutes in

  li lets us know that this guy was in

  here he's in here interviewing for a job

  as a bartender and in the meantime

  Natalie isn't paying any attention to

  him and he apparently abandoned the

  interview halfway to give me any of this

  tour of the place and I think it was a

  total fight club situation where he was

  testing the guy you know like what are

  you going to do if i stop this job

  interview halfway through to give these

  other two people a tour of of the bar

  and none of us acknowledge you for 30


  it's a kind of an employment hazing yeah

  i think so let's see let's see if you're

  gonna make it here Johnny right that's


  but you know one of the things that hit

  me right and struck me right away on

  that even on that tour is that he really

  does have the most extraordinary

  selection of liquor I've ever seen in my

  entire life in terms of Bourbons and the

  stuff that i like it then and can judge

  that the quality of the collection I

  mean it's really is sort of a uh I don't

  know like a Stephen King type story

  where he's he's pulled some of this

  stuff from another universe you know

  like all sorts of stuff I've ever i've

  never even heard of over here for roses

  bourbon pretty good on ya ya i get

  confused because there's a there's a

  there's a bomb wine with roses and I no

  no there were differences you know for

  roses is pretty good and I think its

  general runnin around 30-35 dollars

  really good stuff and then there's

  somebody sent me a bottle of that once

  it was true yeah it's really good and

  then there's a four roses something

  something maybe I have four roses select

  or something like that which i have seen

  as well and I think it's maybe like ten

  dollars more

  he has four different for roses bourbon

  he's got four roses the four roses other

  thing that I've heard and he's got these

  other two that I like where do you get

  how do you even get that how do you how

  do you get that at right it just right

  down the line with all of you know all

  your favorite distillers he's just got a

  black maple hill which is really good

  stuff but then he's got black maple hill

  black label which died

  you can't get it I don't even know where

  did it's like he made it up it's like

  he's got this one bottle of black maple

  hill Black Label bourbon so I was super

  super impressed

  long story short a week or two later I

  get invited to a tasting at places and

  open yet and the way the tasting went is

  it was I don't know seven or eight of us

  and we don't get to pick anything he

  said here this is your first strength

  and we know and and you know you tell me

  what you think about what do you think

  it is and I can tell right away it was

  sort of like a screwdriver it was gonna

  definitely orange juice that I could

  only guess because of the lack of any

  other strong taste that it was vodka but

  there was like a frothy nasaan top i had

  no idea what he added and ends up nope

  it's just a screwdriver just a just

  fresh extracted is testing fresh

  extracted orange juice

  and an ultimate UL matv vodka but

  because it was fresh extracted juice it

  like had this frothiness to it that was

  amazing and then the next drink he gave

  me was the Henry box Brown which is

  fresh extracted red grape juice and

  eldorado 15 you're aged rum but here's

  the thing he gave me that drink and so

  what you know what do you do anything

  number one I loved it it was just

  unbelievable it's just unbelievable

  drink it's it's so refreshing but it's

  also clearly like a very very very busy

  drink but I had no idea what was in it

  I had no idea i couldn't tell it was

  grape juice I couldn't tell that it was

  wrong i was like guys that like I was

  like I I don't know

  and because I've never heard of that

  I've never in my life heard of anybody

  mixing grape juice and rum and in fact

  that's all there is in the drink you

  know you hear rum and you think stuff

  like you know you think tiki drinks hero

  pineapple i think i think it's like a

  headache like I can't drink a lot of rum

  well-run get I don't enjoy it like the

  way I enjoy purpose yeah well and rum

  I've done what I know I don't have I

  note that symbol full about room

  compared to want to know about bourbon

  but one of the problems with rum is that

  unlike a lot of other liquor around the

  world there's it's unregulated so like

  there's a lot you can't call something

  mean you can't just get together with

  some some stuff and make something call

  it bourbon burger champagne champagne

  exactly exactly like champagne it's very

  highly regulated you have to i think

  even it's so regulated you have to make

  bourbon and tennessee I don't think you

  can even call apartment didn't come out

  of Tennessee something i don't know but

  it's really ended on the percentage of

  of wheat vs corn it has to be in the

  certain you know very narrow range you

  know it's like--there's like truly like

  a legal legal definition of the

  difference between bourbon and rye

  etcetera etcetera but there's no such

  regulations around rum you can make

  anything that you know anything and you

  can make a map bathtub around exactly

  and you can just call it from which is

  why drum tends to you know exactly why

  people associated with headaches so it

  could be there's a and Plus on my ass

  but it could be the kind of impurities

  and that have been introduced going to a

  lack of right

  place exactly i didn't anyone in generic

  drugs and I think you know us suffers

  similarly from from you know that the

  low-end stuff is truly the double now

  that I'm a tequila guy so notice the

  difference it's a huge difference and it

  just gives the whole it gives the whole

  liquor a bad name though right because

  you know a really good tequila is is no

  reason to be concerned about like you

  know but I'm like bourbon the difference

  between a medium good tequila and a bad

  tequila is huge

  oh yeah I mean it's really it's crazy

  like I get so I forget what i get i

  usually drunk getting it but the now

  I'll get like I get the I like a white

  you know I can make this thing they call

  the paleo cocktail this is the i don't

  ever made you drink one of these no I

  don't let it set on dude it's tequila

  lime juice and soda stream I don't know

  I've had one of those

  yeah oh I don't know your client had a

  name for it that well you know that's

  what they call it but it's it's the

  perfect drink it's it's so refreshing

  and you can make one about seven seconds

  which is nice but but you know the thing

  is I i use the Blanco right now and

  minify if I'm forgot to go to the bodega

  and get the jose cuervo gold it's like

  oh this is like you know Jimmy Buffett

  you like urinated and I've steel pot or

  something i don't i just don't care what

  your ratio what it would do what do you

  want your measurements are publicly or

  privately or publicly just put a little

  bit little bit of the cue on yeah well

  it's not what I do is I put it I put it

  in until I think that's just a little

  bit too much and that's what I know it's

  good so you don't and then I don't

  measure measure it now

  eyeballing you know my poli you make

  sure your tattoos measurement drinks I

  even measure my martinis

  I'm gonna tell my wife that i'm going to

  go out after our program your program

  and I'm gonna go get fucking fun we have

  a pretty good not too annoying wine and

  liquor store that I that has stuff like

  a bet they got this El Dorado you can

  make this at home in my name is a fool's

  errand I what you have a grape juice

  about the grape juices the heart yeah

  because he's got this fancy extractor

  behind there it sits down but Marco has

  you don't really like that many as I ps3

  and rights to that he doesn't like if

  Marco has a juice extractor he's got the

  one that that Lee has a top Singh it's

  like you know it looks like it works

  pretty fast in stainless steel channel

  and i found i fell to the world

  difficult to clean it looks like it's

  easy to clean so that if me and you were

  both bartending there and I'm making one

  with the grape and you're waiting for me

  because you've got to make a one with

  that oranges next that it's easy to


  you know it just looks like the the best

  juice extractor so I don't know but

  apparently people have said that you can

  just muddle the grapes in in a mixing

  thing I mean it's probably not quite as

  good but i'm sure you get pretty close

  to you know pretty close

  I'm going to measure this one that

  sounds fantastic ah but I like i said

  this thing ever i I've had some good rum

  drinks over the years you know that I've

  enjoyed it you know like at the disney

  Holly what's at the Polynesian then

  we're I'm sure you put still there the

  pollination still there yeah you know

  you're gonna make a run drink and pour

  it into a carved out pineapple or

  something like that but that's what I

  associate with rum drinks you don't

  think great

  ya know it's just crazy it's the

  craziest combination and it's it's just

  the best string it's it is you know me i

  do i love the Bourbon i love the

  martinis I'm telling you though if I

  found out on a desert island that the

  only booze I could have the rest of my

  life for Henry box Brown I'd be I'd be

  fine i might try well i think that you

  know of the numerous things I like to

  think that we have in common I think our

  liquor preferences are pretty close

  well and also scott simpson he just

  drinks a lot more well it's not it's not

  a problem he's got another configures

  the other thing i love about the Henry

  box Brown when telling people trying to

  explain my love of Hopsin is that you

  get in there and you're Luke you're

  going to be worried i know i was worried

  I was worried my life that I was setting

  myself up just like yeah you're right to

  be worried because like I'm on board i'm

  still on 42 pics square ice cubes

  I they're not you know what I think the

  I do not joke that this jokey sighs I

  sku no no they're you know they're big

  cubes but they're not one big cube but

  your but there are definitely red flags

  it if you went into these places and i'm

  not going to talk about a million times

  but like these places you go to in san

  francisco in la that are like the

  Haunted Mansion you know you go in and

  it's real silly and it like a Tom Waits

  song everybody super serious nono

  sulfones load you know or like how you

  have to like a type of request on the

  typewriter before we let you know

  okay I get it you know but this this

  sounds like a terrific place and the

  thing is the proof is in the pudding if

  you can get in there and get a drink and

  enjoy it then it's a good place right so

  stop saying i think is very reasonable

  cellphone rules you are allowed to use

  your phone but you are not let it make a

  phone call

  this is for the enjoyment of your

  patrons surrounding you and you are not

  allowed to take photographs and this is

  for the privacy of all the people who

  are in there

  no I think that's a reasonable rule that

  if you're in there too if you're in

  there you can you can rest assured that

  your photograph is not going to be taken

  so you can well this is probably better

  safer for a different program but if you

  can just capture this i think at some

  point you and I should take our big

  podcast money and come up with a place

  that will have yes be awesome drinks but

  a will have the most exhaustive and

  inscrutable set of rules in a place has

  ever had and it's extremely difficult to

  find maybe it's got three doors and

  sometimes they're locked but I think I

  don't get all your texts today but i

  think we could make a lot of dell in

  either of our cities by having a place

  that's extremely different difficult to

  understand maybe any which you might be

  thrown out at any point for reasons it

  would be a lot like like a mouse had a

  bar want to be stuff happening that you

  just would be very very hard to

  understand maybe it's open in both

  cities but it's technically an

  alternative technically one

  establishment so it's never over on the

  same day we found a loophole that allows

  us to have one liquor license for the

  entire place and maybe it shuts down

  maybe you get maybe you know you get two

  hours there i get two hours here we

  threw everybody out and there's a

  different password when you come it's

  always going places

  the schedule is always different we

  think it's written man it just says I

  give you just show up on friday night at

  whatever Street in San Francisco it says

  we're sorry we're open to Philadelphia

  right maybe get to solve a Sudoku to get


  I don't know but I mean you want to keep

  it you want to keep it i think these uh

  look at people go to these places they

  really enjoy that level of theatricality

  else can ask you one more question and

  then I have a feeling of the answer if

  you tried eagle rare

  I was going to say no doubt i think he

  probably won't remember i may not

  remember no it's ringing about the eagle

  rare career is one of those ones where

  there are definitely click that they

  have an eagle rare gonna get this right

  i think their standard one I want to say

  is is 10 years and its really really

  good and then they have another 1i want

  to get this right for posterity there's

  another one that is more costly and

  longer aged and it's it's just one of

  the best things I've ever had in my life

  I bad and I don't know where I'm looking

  at the bottle now and now that i see

  there's only one of those ones that you

  want to probably just enjoy you know

  with a little little bit of rocks

  I mean it's it or or not it's really


  yeah i have not had do not have it in

  the house I've never purchase it but i

  know that i've had this somewhere can't

  remember where though one night we had

  to record you look nice today so I

  needed something to drink and I grabbed

  the first thing that we had at home had

  a bottle of which is the seagull rare

  that the fancy 117 I see this they have

  David end there's a standard and then

  they have a 17 when I would have seen

  that was a pretty hot

  see ya there's always another level

  right so you get deeper and deeper into

  that place over parts of the Caribbean

  or whatever you get fancier room but you

  know is a silly story but I I grabbed it

  and brought it to work I thought hey

  this is cool because it had been a gift

  that actually mean I had given to mad

  for like doing a little favor for her

  and she said only thing is i can get a

  bottle something I'm i crack it and

  brought it to work and started started

  making a variation on this is no this is

  blasphemy i know but i guess its bourbon

  right it's bourbon with some lime and I

  covered up with some muscle streams very

  similar to the to the tequila drink and

  I got about three quarters of the way

  into this and i happen to mention

  Simpson that I was drinking that he said

  he was drinking some to its own

  traditional that's fifty dollars but I

  was like I I was so embarrassed but

  luckily I was so intoxicated that it

  didn't stick with me so that I got

  another one to replace it for her

  because I'm a gentleman and then I drank

  that one too but if you can get that

  stuff you don't know if you wanna get a

  pop singer but if you don't have

  something something wrong with your lady

  after-hours it's it's it's real good now


  no why I'm familiar with its from its

  from the Buffalo Trace people

  ok number would remember we didn't

  newzealand to the mouth of the trickiest

  oh my god is that we ran the amount of

  liquor you know zealand they don't did

  you know they don't know what the Wi-Fi

  there they get they get like Hayes modem

  style Wi-Fi for four hundred dollars a

  day right you want to buy you want to

  buy a coffee it takes 35 minutes and

  costs one of the healing money is it in

  they do not have a lot of bourbon as we

  discover well it did that was

  embarrassed this story is that we never

  there for web stock 221 guys they work

  with the bartender's you ever used it so

  love you so we're at i forget the name

  of what's the name of the hook the hip

  hippopotamus identical to the

  hippocampus yet papa bottomless bar at

  the at the hotel where everybody who was

  a speaker web stock was and we were all

  there on the first day we're all deeply

  deeply jet lag because she notes it's

  like the you know couldn't be more

  jetlite is a 15-hour flight for I mean

  you had you had Philadelphia San

  Francisco and probably flew together but

  you have Philadelphia San Francisco and

  San Francisco and New Zealand how long

  was that it had to have been 20 hours

  yeah but we had like a weird I God for

  for like five hour layover you get a

  hotel and we got a hotel room and fell

  asleep for three hours which was the

  smartest thing that was like the best

  hundred and fifty bucks I ever spent was

  the hundred and fifty bucks to get a

  hotel room for two hours and 43 hours

  and and sleep a little bit between the


  well worth it but anyway we get there

  and and we get up to the hotel bar and

  it's afternoon it was I don't like 4-430

  and everybody's sort of meeting each

  other and find out that the hotel bar

  and like every month they had a special

  cocktail and this month's special

  cocktail was the Bourbon old-fashioned

  and we were like what how where the

  we've seemed to book the right hotel and

  like three days later this bartender who

  is awesome he had this real theater

  member the way he Houston would when he

  would take the key is almost like a cast

  member yeah i mean he was he was very

  energetic and very fun and in like not

  teasing but you know any remember he was

  just he was really can get

  age then it was fun to give him

  something like seventeen dollars per

  train ride was really it was a fun he

  wasn't costly it's pretty clueless happy

  and you know it was like a free I you

  know it's one of those things where

  their dollars or whatever they call the

  things are so close to ours but not

  quite that it it threw me off where you

  yes like 1.1 birds to a box right it

  would be like you know an $18 drink and

  I think one way to second with the

  conversion does that mean it really jump

  into 20 some dollars or does that mean

  I'm anything but i do that with time and

  money i calculate the opposite with that

  I you know and they had options that you

  can make it with this if you want to

  there's like a whole page like the in

  the cocktail menu one whole page was

  specifically for the old-fashioned and

  they had all these other options you

  could do but Houston had a real nice way

  of taking a grapefruit peel that was

  what he was putting him and then he

  would he would twist it and light a

  match and sort of a you know explode the

  understand what that is in a citrus than

  that is not a Ryan but the the run you

  know this list the twist thing yeah and

  somehow if you do it at the referee time

  it right when you squeeze it and light a

  match you can make it a flame bursts out

  and it's sort of you know put like a

  smoky hint to the rind is he as he

  garnishes your drink and anyway with

  into his it was a welcome very sorry but

  we're all out of Buffalo Trace bourbon

  and then I was like I will outtake and

  it is like well in fact we're all out of


  haha head and he was so apologize but

  this is like a read the thing is that

  you have to understand that this is you

  know this is a real bar

  this isn't like something that's been

  slapped onto a marian wright hot wings

  this is like I'm not a nice bar with a

  nice restaurant at night if you check up

  on the fourth floor had a real nice view

  I think it wasn't the kind of place that

  goes oh we forgot to order bourbon

  something it was bourbon modest-sized it

  was a seismic event in the Bourbon world

  of this pit was bourbon month and i

  believe that what we ended up doing

  I think that was the urban but i think

  they still had jack daniels and so we

  ended up letting to make this old

  fashioned out of jack daniel's which is

  sort of

  you know at that poor form but and then

  he was very apologetic about it but it

  was amazing will try that eagle rare and

  I've already made a list you got me to

  do this stop here and I'm gonna I'm

  gonna get the the mayor are around from

  guy Jana called fifteen-year-old

  eldorado okay that sounds good and you

  want red grape something and red car

  anyway though it bottom line though is

  that here's the thing you think the

  place is really fussy and here's the

  thing Amy and I have this end there's a

  whole bunch of other places in town in

  philly that are like this i know i've

  been to the department and branch out in

  San Francisco and a lot of these

  cocktail page number one they dress the

  bartender's up old-timey stop they don't

  do that Hopsin everybody just wears a

  white shirt and black tie that's it

  there's no old-timey this to it you look

  it's more like a reservoir dogs look

  without the jacket every you know you

  look you know everybody looks the same

  you can tell who works here but you're


  there's no faking old-timey nobody has a

  mustache but here's the thing all the

  drinks a lot of these craft cocktail

  places are sound really really good

  until you get to the last thing and then

  it's like why would you put that a drink

  and then it's I think you're supposed to

  be like the fact that you can get it

  down makes you better than other people

  because there's you know you know a

  little bit of a extracted dog turd in

  there exactly like we know where we're

  know where no Albert when a soul brother

  when it comes to drinks but but but just

  from my you know semi-pro drinking I I

  it does strike me that sometimes it is a

  lot like a place that wants to be a

  fancy food place now this works you're

  in french laundry here on your senses

  yeah I go there every time for real no

  oh well French Laundry found it is

  stable at the corn is that the Thomas

  Thomas Keller price that's was like the

  best restaurant in America two years and

  around it's it's it's an event to go

  arguably maybe possibly you could argue

  the best restaurant or remember when

  jason and meg likes saved other change

  for a year to go there i mean it's

  really but it's really amazing and you

  go in there and its first bought this

  isn't even want to talk about itunes but

  it was a it is completely event dining

  and they do something that almost nobody

  else does well which is cute

  they do cute really well not cute you

  know too clever by half

  they pull it off here let me bring you

  these this p naught and gel II said

  which and it's all just like silly puns

  on something that but you know but the

  peanuts are made out of you know artists

  a lamb or something anyway and but it

  works but it strikes me that a lot of

  these places trying to do that

  especially in a tourist area they can

  make a fancy if they would you call it

  desiccated doctor like you had something

  to it that is like the wrong ingredient

  all that sounds fancy we've taken

  something really mundane like you know

  like a lamb shank got one of the worst

  lamb shanks I ever had was at

  Disneyworld you get a lamb shank which

  is the most disappointing part of a lamb

  apart from maybe the horns and the song

  it's even like no like the butcher's

  trying to warn you with the word shank

  shank shank screams right let me know

  it's anyway I want the railing but you

  know I but i agree with you and if you

  in there are places this kind of soup

  nazi sorts of places where once you know

  how to go there it may become it becomes

  even like a point of pride like you can

  go there and you know that it's casual

  like you don't mean like now you're not

  going to be scrutinized as much because

  you're a regular right you know you know

  how it goes you know you're not gonna

  show up in teva's right well if the

  thing is is that to me and it goes with

  everything whether its food whether it's

  drinks whether it's picking a font or

  something like that sometimes the best

  thing to do is is not going to win you

  any accolades for being a genius or

  being clever but it's just the right

  thing to do and you should be humble

  enough to just do it sometimes so for

  example here's a drink where the right

  thing to do is just it's just grape

  juice and rum and it's shaken and it's

  cold and it's yeah good and that's it

  and there's no right this there's no you

  know an elderberry flower topped on it

  are you know what yeah it's like that

  that movie I didn't finish watching

  about the 10 dreams of sushi or whatever

  about the guy that makes the best sushi

  in the world or whatever and you know I

  thought it was it could have been on one

  in our documentary i think but it was

  still good still interesting because all

  this guy does douchey but what is the

  what he puts what he and his family and

  the people who work at this tense eat

  sushi bar put into it is astonishing

  I mean you know it but it is still he's

  I say he's buying the same tune that's

  not entirely accurate but everything he

  does is comes back to our old thing

  about you know

  taste you know in class and

  decision-making and what you don't do

  and he has chosen to do this thing for

  whatever 50 years and he does it better

  than anybody and people pay three

  hundred dollars for a 15 minute meal at

  this place it's like a 10-course sushi

  meal in 15 minutes but everybody who

  goes there are people going over and

  over people from Japan who know sushi

  food critics they're like this is no

  other me like this in the world but it's

  he's just making sushi I could go here

  and insult and my neighborhoods obsolete

  scott simpson had Tony it's all Chinese

  people in my neighborhood that work at

  the at this issue place but it's some

  places are good some places are better

  and then first reasons you can explain

  sometimes as with the mythical man month

  sometimes it's just 10 times better and

  it's definitely true width font choices

  you get the same helvetica noid to 15

  people and you're gonna have extremely

  different results right you know it's

  it's just weird there's just a kind of

  like the going to a butcher shop where

  they know how to cut it up and choose

  it's it's a completely different

  experience and yeah shell which is a

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  Wow itunes came out what you think of

  the new itunes 11 i like it i dont yeah

  you know yeah I know I I am i hesitating

  because I I unfortunately for you I'm a

  copious notes and prepping for the yeah

  I don't be a common stock I don't

  dislike it but it's I'm still you know

  it's been a day right we've had for a

  day and as as messed up in so many ways

  as itunes has been it's the devil you

  know and so now I'm other I'd like to

  hear you it's your show i like to hear

  you talk about it because you seem to

  like it a lot and i wanna as usual with

  new Apple things it seems like you are

  trying to run pretty stock settings and

  give the default state of state of that

  kind of a chance is that correct

  definitely in terms of like how things

  to display because i wasn't my first

  thing just was that I was very

  disorienting to me to open up I never

  look at things in either you know cover

  flow or album mode it's just not how I

  think about the stuff I've got it's nice

  to have but it was so hard for me to

  figure out what I had to change to to

  make it where I could find things but I

  got a couple thoughts on the boat tell

  me what you think I I you know I never

  used album view before either but i

  think i am now although i'd still think

  as the day is going on i do find know

  that that sometimes what I want

  and now i'm in the mood for the rolling

  stones i got a whole bunch of stones

  albums but it doesn't seem to know that

  like I got what I want then is to click

  go to artists and then there's a list

  artist click the Rolling Stone and then

  have the album view in there but it

  doesn't seem like you can get that you

  get like a like it's album but it's more

  like a listview by album rather than

  this new magic is just the album's click

  it and you get that nice expanded view

  underneath huh yeah so I'm not a hundred

  percent sure that the new stuff has been

  thoroughly baked conceptually yeah I

  mean there's one going to farm I listed

  the to start with this but yeah one of

  the things that I find little baffling

  in addition to how to get to what is

  called listview is he seemed to have

  different options

  what kind of one metal thing just a

  suggestion if you're listening to this

  and you can i would i would suggest

  opening up a copy of itunes 11 on your

  mac and maybe like turn down the slider

  on your volume really low if you want to

  play along with this because there's

  some things that are going to be easier

  to explain into you know what I mean

  like do this with me kind of stuff yeah

  it's i was like i said is a little

  bewildered when it came up in that album

  view because and that my first thought

  was okay

  usually I just click over here in that

  little tabbed thing where you would say

  do I want to see this by which of these

  four methods and always pick the

  simplest list way probably because I'm a

  real weirdo i want two things that our

  frequently sort by his date added which

  I had trouble have had have had trouble

  getting the music tab to remember is

  that I want my default view to almost

  always be date added you know it seems

  weird but that's you know i don't i

  don't think this in the same way that I

  think of all typical library where I

  needed to be organized by dewey decimal

  you know or library of congress or

  alphabetical just cuz that's not how I

  think about the music and so anyway that

  that is so my first thought was are of

  course panic as with you know like you

  cover one time going you ended up being

  absolutely right

  out when the changes golden scroll

  direction of course you know i mean they

  went in with a lion and made it the

  other way but now it totally i went back

  to the way it's supposed to be now and i

  love it makes sense it makes sense

  across devices so you know the typical

  thing its you're better off to go with

  apples way because that's the way Apple

  is going and so try their way and i

  liked it ok there's a lot of mystery

  meat navigation and buttons that I

  thought were kind of confusing but I

  think I'm getting it

  there's one thing I still am confused by

  you to get about this like how do you

  get to column view column browser it's

  it's not clear to me like it will be a

  couple days probably like when I'm

  eligible to be in column view i guess

  probably really simple they click songs

  you click songs but this is other stuff

  for like sometimes it seems like it

  changes the way that it presents tufte

  based on like if you've done a obviously

  i think the search thing is pretty great

  when it shows you like what you hear

  your stuff live in the search but there

  are some things like the movies view was

  kind of bewildering to me

  uh I don't see I have enough time to say

  all this correctly but there were

  several things about it that I initially

  found confusing that I'm now figuring

  out and i'm in a way I almost wish i

  could reset it to how it shipped just

  just to try it again but yeah there's

  some stuff i really like about it a lot

  of things like I find really bewildering

  the number one thing now this might have

  been in there before i'm almost positive

  it wasn't because I would try it once a

  week and it didn't work did it open

  right now

  yeah hit command to command three and


  what's that doing i'm going to know what

  I'm doing here looking side rail over

  there you have sat on the side rail

  anymore house it jumps between music

  movies TV I guess I've wanted of which

  I've wanted forever i got that is easier

  than that and and that's may seem like a

  small thing but I so what I'm doing is

  when hit command 12 sort of like yeah it

  takes you to the section of your library

  for music movies TV shows which I

  actually found really useful mainly

  because I hop between music and podcasts

  a lot you know I movies and TV shows i

  tend to watch

  I guess for somewhat obvious reasons i

  tend to watch on an iOS device for Apple

  TV but for the idea of stuff I'm jumping

  around a lot

  I mean my here's my real quick check on

  this is that i will probably be using

  search library a lot more is my first

  thought because i think it it's pretty

  good and is forgetting to the music i

  want fast i have not found a faster way

  to get there then search library and it

  works better

  it does i I think don't you think it

  works a lot better than it used to

  absolutely it's got its got a couple

  weird it's got like 10 bug that drives

  me a little bit nuts but it's it's very

  fast and it gets me where I where I want

  to be I also like the way that in the

  search results that it includes album

  art wherever it can yes so was i I do I

  had it it just works better for me it's

  like the way that like I like the way

  that Safari uses five icons right there

  in the URL bar because it's it helps me

  know like on certain websites you know

  oh I know where I am you know absolutely

  and I mean I think as a branding thing

  like I see that that's the guy i know

  that album so here it is

  what's weird about that is it seems like

  a feature like that would mean a lot

  more to people of our generation because

  we're more accustomed to flipping

  through associating yes that's our cds

  and oh yeah this is houses of the holy

  yeah like or whatever i bet there aren't

  that many people aren't as many people

  today especially because people download

  stuff and it may not have correct album

  art I mean I'm constantly saying find

  the album art and can't find it now I me

  too i do have to buy it and actually

  have a tip for that but I mean my kids

  wear something that's a little weird

  I'm gonna try something here first of

  all I car you big on keyboard navigation

  when you're typing text key like the

  command shift in the option shift and

  all that ya threw text you do that a lot

  yeah okay so hit command F and type Tom


  ok i'm just guessing stuff i think you

  have I don't have any time better

  ok for just forty forty three albums

  ok so go to go to select and the

  torpedoes you know i don't think i have

  damaged your penis I know we have

  whatever they're on their way over there

  on the CD rack and here's the here

  here's a real quick version of this that

  I don't this is so stupid but this is

  the kind of thing that drives me bananas

  go ahead and play any song starts

  playing any song any song anywhere

  alright we're going to do is we're gonna

  lie i turn my volume way down on my

  itunes alright alright you got you got

  song playing yeah okay and now go to

  church library and type in weiser ok ok

  and then act like you misspelled it and

  actually wanted to type something else

  now me I hit command shift arrow to

  select everything that I've just type


  that works for me it selects that

  selects the type

  ok do without the shifts just go to the

  beginning I what did that do next is the

  IC yeah without the shift it

  ok that's it then what it just did for

  me was it started that song that's

  playing again yeah because it's totally

  natural behavior in itunes to hit

  command left and right arrow the next

  previous track now that's probably

  expected behavior for most people

  because who uses that kind of nonsense

  but it is a weird thing like talking

  like some petty itunes to me has always

  felt like an app that works ok like an

  iCloud like iCloud like a lot of things

  like address book

  they're pretty great things for a casual

  user to have a moderate amount of data

  in it's just that now especially with

  itunes match that I have so much stuff

  in here and I'm you know I find myself

  on the one hand like being appreciative

  of this looking prettier and stuff but

  right now it doesn't feel there's still

  stuff about that makes me feel like it's

  not that much faster for for power users

  and for people who want to become power

  users there's still a lot of opacity

  that i would like to see less opaque

  personally do you know what I mean

  oh yeah i think so are you on right now

  are you on a record I'm not be like pack

  up the plantation live

  ok and NIU that view where you get like

  the artist and you get like the kc like

  play shuffle arrow all those next to the

  name of the artist yes yes okay

  something else ever play okay got it

  what do you get nothing okay that's over

  the area on the right right

  nothing but i can click it I mean if i

  click it something you do most people do

  that do they claim be yeah I like you go

  to think that the the thing with the

  listview be like the LI view up in the

  which is as we all know now

  up next like mouse over that likewise

  they're not mouse over text for that he

  yeah I guess there could be some kind of

  you know like if you put you know like a

  webpage like if you pause for a little


  pause for a little hover something and

  now go now and there's no that's my

  complaint with that that that mysterious

  cloud icon next to the word with the

  top-left thing where you pick music

  movies TV shows what is that what is

  that for this is a horrible i think i

  think that means update my icloud yeah

  but it clicking it doesn't doing I match

  and hovering doesn't show anything yeah

  and right now mine is animated I've got

  these little diagonal i think that means

  it's updating and that means it's

  updating your collection yeah but I

  don't know but I so I understand that

  while it's updating why they would show

  me that but when it's not updating and

  it's just an empty cloud I really don't

  know why they show me that that there's

  a cloud there that I can't do anything

  with I can't click it I can't control

  click it well I need to be pedantic I'll

  say again just because it is standard in

  every other mac app and web page i mean

  do you ever go to preferences in it

  this isn't like in almost every mac app

  and I think there's a lot of people that

  don't know this so it's worth mentioning

  if you have somewhere where there are

  selections to be made like in

  preferences in almost every mac app and

  every good mac app if you have a choice

  between for radio buttons you can

  mouse-over a radiobutton whether it's

  selected or not and it will tell you

  what happens when you click that right

  which i think is kind of cool so to me

  if I mouse over the at that cloud like

  what what the hell does that mean if I

  mouse over that it should say for

  example in my case I the white cloud

  which a fluffy white cloud which I guess

  means everything's cold

  setec yeah but like no good last one on

  these i hope that go back to like the

  view of that plantation record right and

  click play the little arrow next to the

  artist name right

  got it oh ok then click play again

  all right Michael well shouldn't be

  pause yeah it doesn't pause yeah it's

  weird it doesn't turn to pause what

  happens instead is every time you hit

  play it just restarts the song which

  again maybe maybe that silly but in the

  way that this works i want this to be a

  UK they've chosen modality that's fine

  let's live with modality but to me

  modality means i should be able to do

  something like hit 14 music and if I tab

  one thing is I've got you know the

  universal access on so it goes to like

  frickin everything but I mean if you

  look at this if you never run this app

  before and you opened up I just feel

  like there's so much opacity to like

  what all this means like okay so I mouse

  over the name of the album and now i get

  an arrow next to it which gives me

  options but that it's almost like a play

  button don't talk about you if you go up

  to that little view dingus

  I mean that's cool i'll get used to that

  but i don't know i'm going to just bitch

  about there's a lot about it that i like

  better I wish these fonts for it's so


  well here's one that I i find

  interesting and i'm not quite sure I

  guess it's one of those things where I

  always come back to the analogy about

  you know the disney analogy that the guy

  on pirates of the caribbean the one

  pirate who's got a foot on the dock one

  foot on a boat a handful of a treasure

  chest and like 13 hats on his head and

  he's metering because it's you know how

  the hell you gonna get on a boat i'm

  going to get off the shore onto a boat

  that's on the water doing that that's

  like the hardest thing in the world is

  going from the old thing that was

  slightly gotta David Blaine thing to the

  new thing I and I feel like that's where

  itunes is a lot of mac stuff is for

  Apple is that they know they've got the

  new thing which is a lot simpler and

  doesn't have the the craft in the

  baggage and all this historical stuff

  which is ios and they got the old thing

  which is the mac which is really really

  powerful and

  and let you do all sorts of stuff you

  still can't do on iOS so how do they get

  from there to here and it's really

  really hard so here's a my perfect

  example of that one foot on the shore

  one foot on a boat that's already on the

  water and isn't even tied up is go to a

  song in this expanded view thing and you

  hover over the song title and you get

  that little right-pointing chevron you

  know I mean it's like so like if i go by

  so if i go back to my Tom Petty record

  I'm search by artist see even this view

  ok so I'm by artist and I Montana

  torpedoes like so next to refugee i

  click on the what looks like a closing


  yeah like it's like a greater than sign

  in a circle and when you do the same

  choices as what you got up in the thing

  that play next

  at the next that right so it's a

  contextual menu right now

  yes like it's like it's like control

  clicking what happened mmm yeah but what

  happens if you control click on the song

  you get an entirely different menu

  oh come on right ctrl click on it I did

  write can't believe so when you control

  click on it you get a a regular

  max-style contextual menu it's you know

  you know it's right out of the system

  frameworks it's it's a regular system

  standard wide menu with sin lucida

  grande the system font if you go to one

  with a submenu the submenu as soon as

  you hover over it it pops off to the

  side right now look at the new one the

  one in that little Chevron then when you

  think that questions that's cool

  well but but does it open when you hover

  over it when you so tell me again so I'm

  control kicking no not control clicking

  don't control sorry go back to the one

  aegis regular click on the Chevron I

  don't know what you wanted right now if

  you go down there is one like genius

  suggestions add to the ones that have

  another menu off to the side it doesn't

  open when you hover over you have to

  click on my god really

  click on it and then it all colleges in

  ok alright i guess i could get used to

  that but that's that's really weird

  well it is really weird I and very

  different from the mac but i do think

  that for most people I i think it's a

  reasonable argument to be made that this

  is the way subject because it looks like

  iOS it works like is this is the way


  always should go for it and everybody

  knows all the usability studies show

  that that hierarchical menus you you

  lose easily ninety-five percent of all

  users as soon as you go to a menu and

  you go down and there's a little thing

  to the right and there's a nice menu

  piece is actually pretty well done and

  the plus sign next to it this is

  actually pretty cool that you have once

  you understand it right but it's

  absolutely it's not like a regular menu

  at all i can and you know i SAT there

  and hovered over it waiting for it to

  open a 10 seconds and then I thought

  well if i click well and then it slides

  into place and it's animated and its

  really nice and you can go back but it's

  totally unlike a standard mac contextual

  menu and the standard mac contextual

  menu is still there which offers an

  entirely different set of things you can

  do to the song and offers a lot more

  stuff although actually it doesn't

  they're not but they're not even

  separate though there's so you could do

  play next from both menus right yeah but

  you can't do you get album artwork from

  the new right everyone is very limited

  the other one the standard mac one has

  all sorts of complicated so all this the

  the nerdy stuff is still hidden in the

  control click one like create AAC

  version i recently think that's one of

  those you know I don't you probably have

  a name for this but one of the things

  like allowing you to do reverse

  scrolling you think this is one of those

  like a legacy thing for the nerds

  yes or just yeah because I don't think

  that they don't think they could get rid

  of that while they could get rid of it

  but i think that you know they obviously

  haven't haven't really gotten rid of

  anything in iTunes you can still do

  everything you can to be able to do you

  listen to you listen to that podcast

  right to what you don't listen to too

  many podcast right I don't

  well one of the things if you the

  feature I've always really liked it

  again I'm ready to be wrong about this

  but hit whatever command for orgo to

  podcast right this is another example of

  that more things I used to really love

  is like I would go like I this is

  something i subscribe to a while ago I

  don't unsubscribe but I also don't want

  to see that there's 35 episodes i

  haven't listened to write and used to be

  a control click to say mark always

  played or mark always unplayed right and

  now if you go to the title and you click

  on it you do you get the old you do get

  the old-school you know presumably the

  same you know I mean the old whatever

  you wanna call it the old school

  all your menu contextual menu but that's

  gone now

  yeah mark all is rather it's not there I

  don't see it

  yeah but you know whatever that seems

  weird but I actually use that a lot in

  RSS readers i used a lot in if I've been

  away for from a high-volume site for for

  a few days I'll just frequency mark

  always read if if it's not anything to

  current that is that that's an unusual

  decision it's a better decision I mean I

  was driven crazy went to a site the

  other day of this artist is comic artist

  i liken it has you know the usual kind

  of old-school navigation where it's like

  they eat where these two call it you

  know when you get the drop-down menus so

  you click and they say like okay show me

  gallery and the gallery has four five

  selections LOL cool comic covers you

  click comic covers and when you click on

  covers it gives you different publishers

  ok click Marvel they want to get to

  marvel it's different like Siri

  marvel it's different like Siri

  this is like yeah none of those things

  are become content until you get to the

  very very end as it happened on this

  side and iOS even when you get to the

  end it didn't do anything i'm guessing

  it was kind of like wonky javascript or

  something but not that that's always

  been a totally flawed way to deal with

  that and I think you know when it can

  win the contextual menus come along on a

  OS 10 or on on now isn't it was sometime

  in America is not here right right but I

  mean it's you know not going maybe

  sometime I bet there was something

  somewhat grudging about that decision

  because yeah windows had already done

  right now that was a huge windows is

  right clicking right was something that

  people setting aside the one button to

  button thing whatever but not do people

  used to do that so often in Windows I

  think it's much more of the pattern of

  using windows at least in those days so

  definitely yeah so even then that might

  have felt like a satisfying satisficing

  but you know a not totally embrace

  decision to do that but you know it's

  it's never been fun like right now my

  services menu and yes i know there are

  things to clean this up but only two

  things like bread temperatures markdown

  stuff and a lot of other things I've

  added my on my services menus is crazy

  now or I should say my contextual menu

  in the finder and given that they can

  the width of the contextual menu is

  governed by the name of the longest item

  I its giant and it's got like 30 things

  in it seems like a menu looks like a

  window it it kind of does it looks like

  little men you like in a restaurant

  right but you know I think the one that

  I use just for this is actually I try to

  be helpful i think it's called services

  manager is the one that I use

  I never heard of services manager lets

  you go in and change without having to

  go to that awful thing in on the Apple

  yeah open up services manager you can go

  in and turn on turn services off very

  easily you can so if you leave it on you

  can set whether it appears in context

  menus and you can set the key commands

  all from here which you know the thing

  hit the truth is though any power user

  who's going to keyboard to do this it's

  I don't know about you but the fastest

  Mac I've ever been on i still get a

  beach ball waiting for services to to

  update yeah

  ok and then and then and then another

  nice thing here is that then you can say

  is a number of allowed items in context

  menu and you could say you want two

  three four five six seven ten unlimited

  so you can choose how many things so

  personally I think contextual menus are

  way under used by most people especially

  in the finder or for that matter and you

  know bbedit or text me there's so much

  stuff that you can do with those

  services your services fan right you

  pointed you point me to that that the

  services maker thing a few years ago we

  took a shell script and make it into a

  service service was called service

  forget what it's called

  I know it's by the guy named just

  breasts this service service that's

  right video and that's sort of semi

  obviated by automator as of like lion

  roar lion let your mouth

  yeah theoretically although i think this

  services ones are a little bit more

  first for somebody who knows anything

  about eunuchs which is not me the idea

  of input-output a filter is is pretty

  transparent right but anyway i'm getting

  off the topic but i don't know i mean i

  think i think i'm going to get get used

  to this but there's give me trouble with

  command LOL i feel good sometimes

  getting trouble with command l working

  or not working and I rely on that very

  heavily in what app sorry in itunes hit

  command l takes you currently playing

  song i didn't know that hole dude that's

  the last year

  that's nice so you probably have another

  problem with that

  yeah I'll take one is driving me nuts do

  you ever open playlist in a new window

  like i'll say i want to make a new

  playlist for a road trip i'll create the

  new playlist and then created a new open

  in new window ever do that in itunes i

  have previously we'll go double click

  one of them now walk right doesn't go

  into new window and you don't get to

  solve officially a one window a pro yeah

  i like but here's a here's an

  interesting decision that they made

  which i think is a is new and am i i'm

  not sure i don't want to pass judgment

  either way on ax I'm not sure is the way

  that in the interest of showing fewer

  things on screen at once they don't show

  the sidebar unless you want to turn on

  the old fashioned mode but as soon as

  you start dragging a song your playlists

  open up from the south

  oh I'm gonna have to try this so just

  grab any song and start dragging it so I

  get stuck on the top side here signing

  up um I should multitask so I'm taking

  on taking a song from anywhere and I

  start dragging correct right and yeah

  we're looking to do on the right side

  doesn't a list of devices any playlist

  comes into it that isn't always there

  and only when you're dragging ass time

  you start dragging and you get a little

  list it slides in from the right of

  devices and playlist so you could add a

  song to a device or you can add a song

  to a playlist

  I'm guess I'm in an album I mean music

  i'm looking at AC Newman's get guilty

  taking the chevron just no just drag the

  song drag-and-drop ok to write it like

  you're moving in somewhere and then off

  the side of the right side you don't get

  a you don't get a now maybe I'm in the

  wrong view them trapped by songs that

  works i'm inseong I was an album should

  be anywhere soon as you start dragging

  you get a a little thing from the side

  not kidding i wonder if i have something

  turned off

  yeah I don't know how that's gonna take

  that sounds that sounds like a great

  idea so immediately gets that hey

  they're grabbing this because they want

  to put this someplace

  let me give them the option is what

  happened to it's very untraditional

  though that the destination is invisible

  until you start dragging and as soon as

  you're done dragging it goes away

  because you have to know you do anyway

  you would you have to know it before you

  would try it

  that's kind of what I was trying to get

  out with I wasn't trying to be a dick

  about it that's kinda was trying to get

  out with the opacity about those icons

  in my experience and my very small bit

  of user experience stuff people are not

  too excited about cooking something

  unless they know what's going to happen

  that goes back to the days of wondering

  if you're going to reformat your hard

  drive that sounds silly to nerds but

  there are a lot of people who will not

  just click I mean look at how many

  things in this interface have an arrow

  to be honest look that's one way to look

  at it if you go back to album view and

  go look at Tom Petty record i mean there

  are so many arrows there's an arrow

  right for iCloud there's a chevron just

  wasn't the right word like a black

  chevron whatever chevron but like

  there's a bracket to show next room for

  contextual menu

  this contextual menu one for each song

  when you mouse over there is a

  contextual menu one for the app there's

  to intermingle and arrows meaning

  shuffle there is a narrow a you know a

  sideways triangle foreplay and then much

  of those things are repeated in the

  thing at the top there's anything of

  course is the big arrows for play rewind

  etc and in almost every piece of

  interface and this is some kind of a

  narrow and and that to me I would you

  know even I've used this stuff for a

  while and i still look at that and go

  what I know shuffle means you know what

  I mean

  hey do you have the sidebar showing yes

  alright turn off the huts hide the

  sidebar right sidebar now now drag us on

  ok that must be a let's see and now i

  want to go to I clicking clicking oh

  that's neat right so it doesn't happen

  if you have the sidebar showing because

  you don't need it but right but if you

  hide the sidebar which is the default

  view when you drag a song this right

  side sidebar of destinations where you

  might want to drop a song devices and

  playlists appears adding it to a device

  that is really interesting i'm on my

  non-primary itunes so I do my secret

  through my air and so I'm on my ancient

  mac pro right now and if I think it's

  grab the device probably won't work but

  this is pretty sweet right well anyway

  that you can pick a movie or show to

  load up on your iPad before you head off

  to visit doing that locally or is it

  saying go be wise and get this from the

  cloud I i think it's if it's by USB it

  will copy by USB and if you have the

  device setup to sink over Wi-Fi it'll

  push it over white I've got it i'm gonna

  just do it by iCloud though it will do

  it over your local wife

  what do I mean like two things two great

  things that have been there forever that

  are still worth telling people about our

  the ad to so like or see now this is


  so if you use the new non contextual

  clicking chevron next to a song you get

  add to click add to and you can add it

  to a playlist right that's I think

  that's a great feature but no but now do

  the contextual menu version of that and

  get something even cooler which is shown

  playlist ever use that

  now i use that is that all the time so

  let's say if you're like me and you got

  a million playlist right do this you

  might want to say oh I want this in that

  party 1999 shuffle show me in there are

  right in that context or something I

  used to love in back on the creative for

  that is a good future

  yeah it's something you back on the I

  think I'm the creative or maybe on the

  diamond rio player was in a shop in the

  middle of a shuffle there was a dingus

  for saying continue playing along lines

  of net play this by clicking whatever

  it's called it functionally started

  playing it as the track it was on the


  so if you if your rocks off came up you

  could say continue playing album and

  then it would play the rest of Exile on

  Main Street

  ah that's a great feature it's exactly

  certain songs were when i hear them then

  I didn't immediately want to hear that

  usually happens to me with Zeppelin

  songs as soon as I hear one I need to

  hear the one that I know it's checking

  it was like what I do that case for what

  it's worth it's a command l to show me

  the playing track and then i'll say then

  I'll do that right click to show in that

  album so i can show you just in the

  straight-up legitimate album or you can

  hit the course the revealing arrow to

  take you to that album one more thing

  that's been happening forever 19 that

  drives me nuts you know what you can

  going to flick i don't know if i did

  this with onyx or whether I did it

  legitimately but I don't you know you

  can change the arrow to mean

  itunes store or yeah so I had it set to

  show to me the collection was the

  weirdest thing like yesterday I was like

  I want to go the danger mouse record i

  click the arrow and it took me to

  everything by danger mouse even though i

  click on the album right i was kinda

  weird but you know i mean this is this

  is the thing I mean yeah it was sort of

  like it there was like a hidden

  preference that was more or less like

  stop trying to upsell me what ya used to

  be i guess a plist thing that aren't

  like on one of the Sonics or you know

  yeah those apps what do you use for

  stuff like that I i usually honestly I

  used like the terminal and i just type

  the default right come out interesting

  ok but you don't go in and do stuff like

  hi desktop or not anymore now change the

  font size in my finder now sidebar know

  about catcher pussy now I was getting a

  mother giving out for you get for you've


  but you know it's interesting I mean

  that the the big trend everybody out you

  and all your buddies always talk about

  that is actually turning out to be

  pretty interesting is V nokia is this

  move toward being more iOS like which i

  think is entirely sensible you know in a

  lot of ways I think for file management

  it's it's an almost utter failure but

  for stuff like this I get why they do it

  it's a shame that itunes on my ipad is

  one of the worst apps i have ever used

  to my aunt but if they can improve the

  desktop version by taking some of those

  patterns i'm all for it

  well I think you want once you get the

  iCloud thing it's really clear i'm

  looking at you know what am I looking at

  obvious definitive collection because

  that's what I'm looking at all the gold

  greatest shut up

  honestly too i got that too with new

  album art boom yeah no yeah let's see

  here because I'm dancing queen going

  yeah it's great it's such a good record

  oh man i was into that every day I got

  yeah we've got gold and the definitive

  collection used to be the only thing

  only help her daughter go to sleep play

  count 1992

  oh no wait no that's the year the album

  came out i did a screen grab bars the

  other day and it was like Everlong this

  look like one of my eyes and Everlong

  idle no we don't gotta have a couple of

  Springsteen songs at the top

  yeah you know I reset a while back to

  you with Amy did Thunder it was way high

  but it but you know having a kid screws

  it up because now we've got i love they

  might be giants but yeah like I don't

  listen to favor island quite as much as

  my daughter

  ours is still it's permanent until one

  of us like are both of us I guess lose

  our eventually lose our itunes history

  but ours is yellow submarine because oh

  that's right that we should go to that

  was our go-to that it when Jonas was a

  you know the cry baby infant worse i was

  like that was like the red line that was

  the red button underneath the protective

  glass cover the last resort if this

  doesn't work we don't know what we may

  have to drop everything and he sir right

  we yeah we both had to turn the key

  we both had to agree let's go to yellow

  submarine and

  never let us down I remember we talked

  about on the other talk summer I was

  walking around New Zealand and you were

  talking about that I remember that for

  us not you know i got my kid into Queen

  tomato that's good but the thing with it

  here's the thing about the Yellow

  Submarine thing that made the playground

  so high is that you once you went to

  yellow submarine you had to replay they

  had to keep going you had to keep going

  till he went to sleep he stopped crying

  he would smile he would get a check for

  you to follow through how to keep going

  just yellow submarine over and over and

  over but i gotta play count on that song

  is just but it's right now I we had the

  way to similar for a long time for us it

  was drier sound and it was like I'd like

  14,000 plays or whatever because we were

  just we had we had 1i got a little tiny

  1i thought maybe it had a hair dryer

  well-known 40 it was a 45-minute minute

  track of a hairdryer here's what you do

  when you're when you're real stupid and

  had a little too much money at the time

  I i had one ipod mini there was nothing

  but the dryer sound everywhere we went I

  could plug it in and hit play and they

  would just be for those of you who don't

  know that the the kids like there are

  certain like white boys and white noise

  some of them don't like running water

  right but you don't your kid might have

  a hot you know it and one Jonas's was a

  hairdryer and there you can go and you

  can quick Google these things and you

  can just download like the sound of a

  hairdryer I remember it used to always

  make me think you're obviously

  completely irrationally that playing the

  hairdryer sound was wasting so much

  energy haha and I don't talk about skill

  more its I and I would not enter a every

  time we went to it i would think god

  it's alright it shut him up this is


  god I can't believe how much money we're

  going to spend on and then I think oh no

  of course not but it every single time

  it would make me think we were we were

  blowing a bunch of money but screw it

  it's worth it's worth it can't believe

  you had hop oh that's something that

  we're at so creepy you know here's the

  thing here's the thing that I see is the

  big-scale big picture trend that iOS is

  leading is is it is about contextual

  pneus and it's about visual

  obvious and so the reason that

  contextual menus worked in Windows is

  that it does make a lot of sense where

  what you swim in a certain way where

  you're saying look I've got this thing

  here it is a file or it's a short yeah i

  mean there are so many things I could do

  to a file right right and so I mean it

  from the desktop session right and

  before contextual menus it would be like

  well you had this one gesture that Apple

  popularized drag-and-drop but you only

  got one thing out of that it was you

  know typically you drag it over and it

  would open you know you would drag this

  thing to a file or to an application and

  it would open and I know that there are

  certain gestures like a mac i don't i

  can't speak in windows and there were

  ways to modify drag-and-drop with

  modifier keys where you drag and drop

  something with the option key down in

  the finder you're making a copy and

  expect a copy and alias so if you have

  the service you can do have symbolic

  link number i mean but that's way out in

  the weeds and very few users are ever

  going to know about any of those

  shortcuts because they're not visual you

  have to know about them

  absolutely there's you know there's a

  little visual cue when you hold the

  option key down drag something where it

  adds a plus sign to sort of at least

  give you a little bit of a visual hint

  that maybe you know that you're making a

  copy or adding but you know I mean show

  that to most people and they're not

  going to have any idea what the plus

  sign means and they're never going to

  guess that holding the option anything

  that involves modifier keeses is not

  going to it just goes right over even

  smart people said because it's not you

  have to know it before you ever use and

  you have to remember it and that's

  that's a good and you know it's let me

  think about you go to somebody's house

  and you want like you're house-sitting

  you want to find the scissors

  yeah like there's nothing that would

  tell you where the scissors are until

  you open a bunch of drawers and try


  yeah exactly that's extensive really

  good analogy

  here's another one and in itunes 11 the

  new mini player thing is a new button up

  in the up in the title bar that toggles

  between these two states for all

  previous ten versions what they did is

  override the green button the

  and instead of zooming the window it

  would toggle between the two states but

  most people don't know is if you option

  click the plus button it would give you

  the traditional green button behavior

  and I really i never knew that

  yes you do my tweeted that yesterday and

  I got it like a gazillion like holy cow

  i didn't know that never-ending million

  years to do that and why did you not

  teach me the head before the version of

  itunes came out that that it doesn't

  matter anymore it's just one of those

  things if you're a loser you know if you

  think Mackey enough you think like well

  if they / read that wouldn't they maybe

  give you an escape hatch with a modifier

  key but modifier keys to did like you

  said you haven't you just said you

  didn't even know that existed

  well modifier Keys not a good solution

  to the problem so windows contextual

  menus solved that problem in a certain

  sense of give me a way to do

  here's the thing i have it in front of

  me let me give me a whole bunch of list

  of things I can do to this thing right

  now mom but in another sense it wasn't

  still wasn't visual though because you

  had to know the difference between right

  clicking and left clicking which I you

  know it's like one of the most like

  divisive arguments in the history of

  user interface design

  yeah what is one is let's do something

  and the other one is let's find out what

  we could do right and on my argument

  against it then that Apple was right

  with the one button mouse for all these

  years is that whenever i worked in an

  office environment you can go and you

  look at everybody's mouse if they had

  pcs and the left mouse button was filthy

  and the right mouse button or actually

  it was the other way around where the

  left one was well Leslie when that might

  be dirty but it had a finger-sized shiny

  yeah like shiny and the right one was

  just too just covered with dust and that

  people learned that that's the one you

  don't click that kind of shows you how

  Apple really did win right that normal

  people still never use that those things

  they you know it was opposed it is a

  great power user future and that's why

  Apple eventually and I do think you're

  right that that when Apple added

  contextual menus with the control click

  that it was sort of begrudging

  but it's definitely a power user feature

  because it's not visual and that's why

  you see things i think in itunes now

  with this thing where they've got this

  secondary in a way it is totally

  ungraceful an inelegant that there are

  two entirely different contextual menus

  for let's say a song or album there's

  the old one that you get with ctrl click

  or right click whatever you want to call

  it and this new one where you just

  regular click on the Chevron button and

  that it's too you know entirely

  different list of things and one's a lot

  simpler ones a little bit more fiddly

  very elegant but it is to me though the

  new way where it's visual and you can at

  least see how to make come up

  well I i totally agree but I mean I had

  to be even even kinder I think and I

  think fairly so if you think about iOS

  one of the one of the things that Apple

  i think has gotten so right with iOS

  that others i don't know i can't say if

  others have I haven't spent much time on

  anything but an ipad or iphone but you

  know is that what i understand that

  there are a limited number of things

  that I can do here and and that there

  should be a limited number of things

  that i present the people here otherwise

  it's going to be completely overwhelming

  and so I don't know that this close

  chevron or whatever you call it go to

  the next level of stuff

  the only way you can really do stuff on

  some ass a little but you can either i'm

  not never can I can't tell you what the

  name of the views are but you could

  certainly have a kind of view where you

  get a list of stuff and then you can

  select things and do things to those but

  more often than not you're clicking that

  right disclosed button to to drill down

  into where you can do different sorts of


  well now why is it so special and

  different because there's not really

  menus in the traditional sense on on

  your on your iOS device you can you

  don't have a like in this case

  highlighted view control store and

  window that might present be presented

  in some kind of tab way but that's

  usually like the last thing I would want

  to do and there are certainly far edge

  cases I refuse goodreader good reader so

  nerdy but so fine you can go in and look

  at your files on dropbox and you can go

  to the file man

  comments section click the file and say

  wow there's like 40 options it's so like

  you know like an engineer made it right

  you can open in you can zip this you can

  move this you can do all that stuff it

  gets to the point that's saying like

  only a power user would want that

  because most people don't know of or

  need most of those things and for better

  for worse the iOS is accommodating those

  limits limitations in the design

  principles so I mean I the the thing is

  I guess what I'm trying to get at is

  that in seeing these changes reflected

  in these design decisions reflected back

  into OS 10

  I wonder for a new person you just come

  in here and go I understand their stuff

  and the stuff is in different areas and

  once I get there and I get to the actual

  stuff there's almost always something I

  can do to it and if i get used to the

  idea that clicking on that chevron

  always means it can do things then

  that's great my god is that most power

  users are never going to click on those

  things are going to see that arrow I

  like you you're pretty good with

  computers and you didn't know about

  doing and playlists which tells me you

  did not spend a lot of time left

  clicking and or you know i just got this

  backwards because i use this track pad

  and a you know caps lock is why i still

  call it control-click yeah control

  clicking for his caps caps lock clicking

  but but you know you feel you know what

  I'm saying like for most people I think

  that the day into the danger not the

  danger think it's a little confusing

  about this is yes it's a new design we

  always we should always be open to a new

  design being better because this is a

  this is a group of companies that by and

  large we trust to make interesting and

  in good design decisions but there's a

  lot about it that that yes there's

  opposite like I'm just right now there's

  a lot of stuff you don't see until your

  mouse over it and then when you do mouse

  over it you're like what like I mouse

  over a song i now have exactly the same

  chevron for a song as I do for the album

  so what does that mean well just click

  and find out

  I've also got these for tiny little dots

  what is that well I know that's for I

  want to rate this right but I don't know

  very good is going to know that the

  truth is that i don't think most people

  are going to use any of that really

  generate your songs to write your songs

  i used to i would I wish we had another

  two hours because i have so much great

  itunes tip stuff to share but I I'm not

  big on ratings i am

  big on metadata and i use the play

  john sarkissian over here is this I I

  rely heavily on the implicit metadata of

  what exists in the songs and what is

  learned from my behavior so i would much

  rather count on

  I would watch for these skip count yeah

  and number of plays to make a playlist

  and i would buy is this two-and-a-half

  to four-and-a-half stars

  yeah exactly i wanted to show me you

  know you know it's just like good user

  testing right it's like yeah you should

  tell us the symptoms of how you use this

  but we're more interested in the signs

  with your behavior shows i almost trust

  itunes to start my songs more than

  myself and there are a few there's

  obviously you know it's like like raging

  bowl that grading bowl is a obviously

  one of the greatest movies ever made one

  of my favorites but you just can't watch

  it that often

  it's just too much right it takes a lot

  out of me to watch Raging Bull so my

  play count on raging bowl as a movie is

  going to be a lot lower than the Stars I

  would assign to it because I just can't

  take it

  it's i love i love and godspeed you

  black emperor with it which is this a

  band from Canada that makes these

  wonderful very long

  orchestral atmospheric ever seen at 28

  days later

  yes remember when the guy wakes up and

  he starts walking through the streets

  and you hear that like that very

  memorable cello like yeah that's

  godspeed you black emperor that's that's

  five star music that i do not want to

  hear 16 minutes at a time so skip count

  on that is kinda high but you can hack

  this right easily by and I don't derail

  this because it but i do have a lot of

  on this is like the way that I do

  playlist i think is pretty smart i do it

  very heavily upon like building the bit

  i have a whole bunch of I cloud-related

  smart playlists that I'd love to share

  with people because i think they could

  be a lifesaver

  but then I do a very heavily based upon

  the number of times that the ratings I

  mean what a ratings you have time to sit

  and write everything and what is that

  reading mean it'sit's not that much

  better than what you get on the itunes

  store what's good for what the gene i

  can tell you the genius break for you

  after iTunes Match initially when i

  first got on itunes magic is stopped

  working on my on my mac i guess it was

  there was enough on the computer for it

  to work

  yeah I don't know it gets like you for a


  definitely definitely started working

  even in 10 i guess what's the last

  itunes at work this did start working

  again it was a revelation

  I don't know how the hell it does it

  that it's crazy all we've learned from

  collaborative filtering it works pretty

  great and I'll tell you the genius

  playlists are frequently way better than

  anything i would have come up with on my


  yeah i agree with that and but I'd but I

  also think that's exactly why I think I

  trust itunes to write my songs for me I

  well you know just as a and then let me

  override it

  you know I'll tell you what's a

  super-duper rathole that still drives me


  why doesn't it doesn't I RS know which

  apps that use the most

  why is there not an automatic Smart

  Folder for the apps that I use the most

  don't you think there should be a full

  Smart Folder I know this doesn't exist

  but shouldn't be a smart folder

  automatically populated in your dock

  with the five apps you use the most

  I'm sorry nine apps you use the most I

  definitely think so i think i think i

  don't think that the the visual

  presentation of as they call it spring

  board is at anyway problematic i know a

  lot of nerds want to put widgets and

  have also expensive i think my nandroid

  I think this idea that the the baseline

  of the iOS universe is a desktop you get

  to pick the background and it's just an

  organized list of your apps is the right

  concept i think the problem with

  springboard is the lack of organization

  features you know like moving apps

  around in that thing is makes me feel

  like I've got a job and that the line if

  you've done it right and like in my case

  i I'm sorry to say that i have more apps

  that can be shown right on

  and so what i do i start i joked about

  this not long ago i'll go to a page with

  a bunch of crap so I don't use it takes

  so long to delete at least when you do

  it through itunes when you connect the

  device and I guess you can select more

  than one at a time and move more than

  it's not two clicks it's not all those

  extra clicks and that but what i'll do

  is i'll create a drop on top of the

  other and say do you want to create the

  folder called productivity I no no it's

  called board 37 and so I just dropped

  chop and I guess nine apps or whatever

  it'll take right but I mean that that is

  it becomes so time-consuming and then

  what's crazy making is if there is an

  app in there that i use once a year and

  I do the search you know the go left and

  do the search

  I wish you could say show in folder or

  show on page and you know what yeah I

  know exactly I know exactly what you

  mean no because I am organized and I

  have organized everything into folders

  well then the folders lose their

  taxonomical significance if I don't have

  a way to find out

  it's its siblings know is I'd the thing

  you just described run into all the time

  where there's a certain app i realized i

  want to use one of them like for example

  a speed test where you might have one

  you might have one called internet

  utilities for example isn't a stand and

  I often you know when i get like a new

  device from Apple to you know like the

  new ipad mini comes out and i want to

  test the to see hey what's the LT is the

  LTE speeds just as fast as the iphone by

  getting different speeds or something

  that so now i haven't used to be tested

  a while but i want to use it and i think

  you know i used this thing enough that I

  I should move it up to a more prominent

  screen but i'll search for it on that

  search screen and then I want to know

  where the hell is I don't know where

  speed test is on my phone I don't really

  tells you that it's in a folder called

  travel I don't have no idea where it is

  so I'll just what I'll do is I'll just

  launch it from the the search page and

  give up on knowing where the hell is

  what i would ask right now is that they

  added something in six that's cool

  which is when you search if you have

  done the you know it's pretty cool

  disney magic that if you put two similar

  apps if you drop a nap on a similar app

  it's pretty cool that those notes that

  those are both music apps or travel

  option that's pretty that's pretty cool

  it's done that ever since they've had

  the folders feature if yeah but I mean

  it was gonna say that it's nice it's

  always been cool it guesses that well

  but will be nice and this is probably

  inner thing but when you do that search

  for speed test what we call that thing

  the search page whatever you them then

  your spotlight they might call it

  spotlight did you notice that it now

  shows you the name of the folder when it

  finds no I didn't know that so if you

  search for something to show you the

  name the folder now obviously the neck

  the great tell you what home screen

  that's on though I want to know what's

  going on homescreen aight well I wish

  there was just a disclosed button there

  would or a you know an i right or just

  show me love show it to me

  yeah but but you know that this is this

  is the one funny thing when I'm sure we

  don't have time to get into this but i

  want at least a stake in the ground

  I there's so much stuff like it's one

  thing to say okay I want to play list

  and of these songs that i liked or I

  want to make a mixtape for somebody as

  we used to say but there's so much power

  in smart playlists that most people have

  no idea about and they are absolutely

  indispensable if you're using iTunes

  Match like I have I have I have so many

  of these that I rely on one of them is

  here is all stuff that I know is

  copacetic in the cloud right and

  everything it's matched your purchase

  toward any of the matches these are any

  of these three criteria that first of

  all fantastic because you can see how

  much of your stuff is you know up there

  i have 14 problems

  show me any one where it is not you know

  is where it's deleted or problem or

  whatever it is but you know what I've

  got I've got one that I swear by this is

  a little byzantine but I take that is

  this safe in the cloud list and I use

  that as the basis for show me everything

  that's in my safe in the cloud list this

  larger than 15 mix and sort by size so

  if I'm running out of space

  I know that can very clear very quickly

  clear up three gigs by deleting

  everything in here without actually

  losing it forever and on my on my

  macbook air that's indispensable that I

  mean I feel that thing up fast if i put

  some HD movies on their right forgot I

  forgot a pre-bought to Bob brave and the

  brave plus special features is going to

  be like eight gigs or whatever things

  like that but then you can also get into

  these wonderful things where you can mix

  those less this should be a separate

  show i'm sorry but if you come up with

  the list that work for you like you know

  show me everything that I listen to more

  than 10 times it's not in children's

  music or holiday music or any of this

  array and has fewer than 5 skip counts

  wow that's actually a pretty great list

  doesn't matter what rating you gave it

  your going to hear songs that you like

  so if you can combine those together you

  come up with these fantastic on-the-go

  list for iOS and that stuff is all still

  in here

  I don't think it's super obvious how to

  use all that a lot of people don't know

  that you can make like sub list entries

  inside of smart playlist you know what I

  mean yeah where you can have a raise and

  a raise or whatever right but you like

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  some of the filters yeah a little bit

  kitschy a little bit retro some of the

  filters are just you know really make it

  look a little bit more like

  movie you know more filmic I think some

  of the filters are really great but you

  can see them live I don't even know how

  that to me this is black magic i don't i

  don't know how a little iphone thing can

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  that's the thing that blew me away about

  these guys at macworld last year's I

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  this app that did video filters you know

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  that accepted and it doesn't seem

  mathematically possible to me but it


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  you can have a private collection of

  photos within the app that's

  password-protected i don't know i mean

  it seems like something somebody would

  want to use I don't yes a sensitive

  government data

  exactly that's a good idea but i use it

  i like it it's got some great if you

  know and it's a dude on the whole bunch

  of filters that you can use one of my

  fam other favorite things about their

  filters is that when you apply a filter

  to a photo I have a little slider that

  just let you adjust the filter strength

  so if you say give it the bleach bypass

  filter and it really has this sort of

  absurdly strong filter look to it if you

  think that's too much you can just slide

  that down a little bit and just to put

  it like thirty percent or something like

  that and it just gives it a hint of that

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  yep so what else is going on is that you

  know what it is and we're going along we

  should get the hell off we should have

  we should have a show John I know you

  wouldn't want to do that probably but we

  should have a show this is ridiculous we

  have you know we have some stuff to talk


  he really know anything we need to talk

  about now I mean we have we have shared

  interest that we can make Valerie shared

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  Susie astok and entertaining and

  engaging manner that's what i meant

  having that you can i have some shit to

  talk about that I know you're the one

  sending that stuff to my wife

  look I don't I told you I was going to

  take care of your investment haha

  listen the market is subject to

  volatility I'm not a magician

  we can talk more time ever done it never

  happens you never told you you could

  never lose then I have for government

  veranda federal something-something this

  is pretty probably long right run along

  a little bit but dunno maybe there's

  some stuff we could cut we keep talking

  about how you have apple news kind of

  cattail people one more thing

  yeah what do you want to talk about I

  feel like you have some self what you

  want to say well I'm gonna mention more

  slightly items related thing now

  now i'm a a reformed retired adjunct

  productivity guy of some renown I must

  say and for her for years

  one of the i use this is an example i

  always use notebooks as an exact great

  example of productivity porn and the

  idea that if you focus too much on the


  he won't do your stuff the other example

  in terms of like stuff I do and I

  mention that because i'm a notebook nerd

  like I love field notes i love all these

  notes the other one for me is is

  metadata I am so pointlessly obsessed

  with correct metadata and things and it

  drives me bananas and even for a long

  time I there are various other various

  different ways to use this but running

  people wear something that's really cool

  and it's free think it's free

  musicbrainz mean mu SE pyaar ki NZ

  believe it's musicbrainz dork but if you

  google musicbrainz you will find it it

  has the most exhaustive set of metadata

  about anything I've ever seen you don't

  want to go to shot just for fun so

  here's the neat part though a you go in

  and search musicbrainz for tom petty

  it's because they are some petty you

  click on Tom Petty this is ok show me

  the torpedoes ok yourselves repeat rows

  wait a minute you're telling me that

  there's a will that be nineteen eighty

  that there's like all that whatever the

  whatever came out 1980 versus on this

  label that's an LP but there's also a

  version that came out later on with

  bonus tracks on a CD and is also never

  it doesn't drive you crazy when you have

  to when you want to get that metadata

  right on stuff but there's like four

  extra tracks and their itunes confused

  well this is that all that stuff is in

  there which is amazing but here's the

  beauty part you can download this app

  called things called musicbrainz picard

  like you like Professor X Picard and you

  get on the download strong luke and you

  drag tracks into this and it applies all

  that metadata to your tracks for you

  downtown your name in the files

  how do you get that you just go to a

  good search for musicbrainz picard and

  it's not the prettiest kind of swing

  looking kind of you know python looking

  but it works well and you go in and say

  you just throw a big bunch of stuff in


  I think it's better to start out like I

  just to get a get your legs under you

  put it like grab there's some album

  where you've got to get you throw a

  nightmare on elm street whatever the

  stones records you like throw that in

  there and then tell it everything in

  this group make this the costly released

  edition from a couple years ago and say

  okay got it all

  boom because the correct stuff it enters

  in the composer data

  you like everything that it can and then

  they make sure i can so much more fun to

  use it sounds crazy but if you get stuff

  you can it'll improve stuff like your

  stuff you bought from Apple too little

  ad better stuff to that anyway I just it

  organizes better it makes your playlist


  it drives me nuts will not help it will

  help with album art for missing album

  art I think it will help in the Senate

  I'm trying to remember you can get album

  art for I know there are other apps that

  do that used to be one called mp3

  someone I used to use but there's always

  been little apps like this if nothing

  else it'll make sure that it has

  normalized as John siracusa says

  normalized metadata that will be correct

  and help you find hopefully the right

  one have a common except that does that

  but I guess what I'm kind of getting at

  is like one of two things first of all

  like there's nice we have so much stuff

  now that labeling stuff incorrectly has

  a cost to it even if it's silly stuff

  like music because stuff like duplicates

  because you can send more than one

  version itunes match as i learned i have

  arrived as i click around yesterday

  looking for screenshots and stuff

  I don't realize just how many duplicate

  just like duplicates and display exact

  duplicates is only so helpful in a first

  of all it doesn't work all that great

  and be it doesn't automatically pick

  what to get rid of

  well if you find the correct version and

  prefer this certain bit rain so forth it

  gets a lot easier to do that i'm

  actually have an app that i like that

  will help with that a lot i have one of

  those for iphoto that I like a lot but

  first of all yes

  hey there's a cost not having this

  correct because you know example case be

  i'm on iOS and suddenly i have four

  different artist called electric light

  orchestra which makes it really annoying

  well I happen to like yellow but you

  know what I'm saying like you go in

  there now and your stuff isn't all in

  the same place so you can make lists as

  easily you're going to go back to your

  computer and fix all of that some people

  on iOS you know maybe don't even have

  that option but we do if we're always 10

  users and this is a great ones of the

  card one of my pics pic of the week and

  your you strike me somebody's probably

  not a big metadata guy you don't spend a

  morning on that i can i can get IQ get i

  can get into it for the stuff that

  matters to you it's great like all I do

  we did all my

  new order stuff and fixed up all my new

  order stuff make sure the tracks come

  from the right thing and instead of me

  having to sit there in search 10 sites

  to find which of these five versions of

  ceremony this is it will do it for you

  and it's pretty terrific it can also do

  an acoustic fingerprint it will look at

  if it doesn't if you have no idea what

  the track is you throw in your unknown

  whatever that you know that one checked

  folder you have called unknown sort of

  whatever it couldn't it'll take a shot

  take a swag and doing an acoustic

  footprint to figure out what it is huh

  so as more of your let's say a hundred

  and twenty-eight k plus stuff makes it

  way it makes its way into the itunes

  ecosystem this will benefit you even

  just take you here you go make a smart

  playlist of your most played albums and

  just even fix those and make your life


  so it's good and something I'll share my

  our my smart playlist with you you have

  those did you do smart playlist for

  iTunes Match I for iTunes Match like I

  was really scared to throw stuff away

  until I was really I mean I was scared I

  knew that I didn't have to have a 65 gig

  itunes library on every machine anymore

  swimming and i wanted to i want to have

  the confidence to delete stuff

  especially with movies dude I mean I had

  it set to automatically download like I

  say with brave i mean brave was big

  you know that SP that's one of the

  things that to me is unheralded about

  the new itunes 11 is there now are under

  Harold at least is that they've finally

  they more or less than the same thing

  with movies and TV shows as they did

  with music where if you bought it from

  apple it's you can just delete it from

  your computer and it still shows up and

  it's just like you know it's in this

  oh you know the other thing they added

  but I'm this actually supports I think

  rather than refutes that he did you see

  you now have an overall tick-box 44

  don't show so you know it like for

  example on iOS you can go in and say

  only show local music don't show iCloud

  music that's not on this ya ice

  yeah you can do that now in itunes also

  without a smart playlist which is huge

  if you're on vacation right because

  you're not don't don't tease me with the

  shit I can't play well here's the thing

  II when you're on vacation you won't

  find out you don't have it but a if

  you're not a vacation yet you might want

  to go and be sure you've got everything

  you want on there right so that's a nice

  one I mean that's a nice feature because

  not everybody's going to care about that

  or need that you know it's we always

  have to think about the people who are

  the new customers where is that growth

  coming from

  well you know there's not that many

  people certainly there are nervous

  they're gonna buy 5 iPad and 7i phones

  but clearly this growth is among people

  who have not been in the apple ecosystem

  before right

  I'm i think is back it gets back to the

  one of my rolled refrains which is that

  it's really almost everything is hard if

  it wasn't part of the original idea and

  the whole cloud thing was not part of

  the original idea with itunes and it

  really felt it with all the other

  previous versions whereas this new

  redesign really was and you know part of

  it you can be completely cynical about

  which is that it's also very largely

  about getting you to buy more stuff from

  the store but it you know just starting

  from the blank white board when they

  started designing with this new one was

  gonna look like it click they clearly

  had that a lot of this stuff the

  canonical store for it is our servers

  and you know I cloud wherever the hell

  they are as opposed to the old itunes

  where that the cloud stuff really was it

  both effectively and visually sort

  attacked on MH now you're i think i

  think you're right and you know the the

  cash to completely unexpected part of

  all this for me is apple TV her which I

  treated as as much of a hobby as Apple

  did for a long time but when I got the

  have the 720p the second latest one


  same here I it is unbelievable i say i

  did a whole couple podcast about this

  about how I moved away from my old

  system having a mac mini and drove to do

  everything I still got them around but

  it's crazy how little i miss having a

  dedicated large storage device

  you know I mean I mean yes absolutely i

  am you know what I was drinking the

  other night about a copy of phantasm

  using phantasm it brings about remember

  that scary a commercial and is that orb

  like there's even a mausoleum and you

  see that the or with the little

  you can google it yeah the orb with the

  spike coming out of that goes in the

  guy's head and pulls out this blood

  spurts out just great low budget horror

  film from 1979 and described and then it

  was on my iPad in a few minutes that

  that they have created starting with the

  early days of the itunes store and being

  able to buy I mean to me now that

  pattern has become so ingrained that it

  competes very heavily with the

  pre-existing habit of just going and

  getting it off the back of a truck

  I I feel great being legit with it but

  it's also just more convenient not

  knowing that this is not going to have

  hard-coded dutch subs whatever those are

  but this will be like a good version of

  this that i can get from anywhere right

  you know the best copy the Avengers I've

  got is the one that I paid for and

  that's the thing that's really that's a

  good thing hasn't happened for you I

  mean Europe you use it seems like this

  must have been big for you guys too

  especially you got a kid too

  yeah I wish we had more of our movies on

  itunes then then dvds and stuff like

  that maybe the after dark all table

  something called I flex or play with

  that I I don't know

  ok I flac KS just saying I fli x ck x

  its yeah its metadata in place without

  having to recreate code and if it's an

  MKV whatever that is it can put a

  quicktime wrapper around it that lets it

  run right in itunes good thing

  yeah I know you know me i get yeah i

  know you get confused

  ya gotta get confused actually what

  Margaret wellhead was never forget this

  one night I tried to show was I don't

  know Gotye was the you & Simpson were

  definitely there and I was really

  excited about showing you this one

  bookmarklet oh and I remember like I I

  never felt like a bigger nerd than when

  you two guys were not interested in

  anything i had on and you're seriously

  you're like I was I was like the kid who

  was likely a nice bike well one of my

  boss by Kate spank you can just walked

  away I do i do remember that i actually

  it oddly have a very vivid memory of

  that I believe somehow we had either

  gotten kicked out of her head somehow

  decided that it was a bad scene it

  how about shields and we're going to

  Rickenbacker's right my opinion there's

  been several times I'd so you decided to

  spend like the three walk that there's

  like a three block walk

  between the two bars are going to catch

  up and talk about our lives we decided

  to explain quicks it goes next click

  like this crazy kinda like look I type

  in mdl returns a markdown link I've

  never met somebody so uninterested in

  the own the other thing that they have

  made the change the world

  I'm trying to show you a bookmarklet

  Montgomery Street and you won't even

  look at it but how do you remember it

  was it was you guys literally turn your

  backs and walked away but I also

  remember to that where we had previously

  all been on the same track we've been

  having a good time and then all of a

  sudden you took the b train and we took

  the seat man that's there's a reason i

  didn't get to sit at the lunch table

  with the cool kids actually just about

  30 reasons but I feel any battery

  feeling better having done this is it

  that you can get your head clear out a

  little over this cold i just don't maybe

  some time talking talking about your

  event feel a little better yeah

  absolutely but i don't have to see that

  is my that's my cue asked what my cold

  medicine of choice my cold medicine of

  choice is bourbon and because that's you

  know what if you will go and look at a

  lot of the medicines that are out there

  you know what it is it's alcohol there

  that's the truth we're still it's

  something that used to be useful because

  it had alcohol and now they took it's

  like it's like good like caffeine free

  diet coke like I don't understand what

  you're what you're drinking at that

  point you know in this case this used to

  be all about the liquor and now it's

  just something you buy a pharmacy that's

  a you know just some kind of useless

  tincture right what's the proof of

  nyquil I guess whether you feel better

  well but what's that

  back sorry I don't know what the proof

  is our kitty dukakis she's a rubbing

  alcohol lady right I what did she turn

  was it running on the same running out i

  don't think i might have been yeah yeah

  i think it was a shame i shouldn mission


  no that's not funny now he lost the

  election that's not funny right there

  would be pretty funny that she paid the

  White House just drinking a flower pots

  and shit caucus who

  that's a bummer bummer that that becomes

  your file card you know like that


  like your one fast yeah like you David

  Carradine was was was going to be

  remembered as the guy from that show

  where they can get Bruce Lee that was

  pretty cool

  yeah it's the antibiotic there was a way

  he was a white guy who could do pretty

  cool karate in one chunk Norris he could

  pull off a nation right yeah and then

  you know things just went a little south

  one night right

  that is true yeah and there's some guys

  who can outlive it you know i mean like

  Elvis Elvis is a big enough guy

  where ya he he died ignominiously but

  that's just like an asterisk like a sad

  little yeah like element Beatles were

  big enough that we can remember them in

  different ways like they don't even

  remember when the stamps came out and

  like shouldn't be young Elvis or fat

  Elvis but there's not that many people

  like maybe Liz Taylor but there aren't

  that many people apart from people like

  them in the beatles where you get to go

  oh yeah there's the paul mccartney from

  this time in that time Elvis man

  yeah but like David Carradine he's a guy

  who's sort of that's a shame

  yeah I love that show 1989 Dukakis was

  briefly hospitalized after drinking

  rubbing alcohol rubbing alcohol running

  or thats that's rough

  that is rough and no i don't i can't

  think of any mixers that would make that

  a good thing for me yeah I don't think

  there's anything happen with that either

  you think cops n kids today a/c they

  would get it like an artisanal run right

  at all

  artisan okay yeah it would be alcohol do

  ribbing and it would be like guys like

  an absent that comes with a special

  spoon or something in a very elaborate

  Bob how this is how about our our bar

  yes you can come in and get a cocktail

  with ice like the other little queer

  bait bars you come to ours we're going

  to give you a drink you literally rub

  into your skin tank top tank tops

  welcome we'll make a poultice we could

  make you a like a heating pad you know

  with a with a daiquiri in it split sky