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00:00:00 ◼   ► one of the things that made me think

00:00:01 ◼   ► brad bird is number 1 i'm a big fan of

00:00:03 ◼   ► all of his movies I can't think of a

00:00:06 ◼   ► single one that I didn't enjoy but the

00:00:08 ◼   ► other thing is that he has a track

00:00:09 ◼   ► record of jumping into somebody else's

00:00:12 ◼   ► thing and and sticking with it you know

00:00:15 ◼   ► he did a Mission Impossible movie that

00:00:17 ◼   ► is just a pure Mission Impossible movie

00:00:19 ◼   ► i think the best one since the first one

00:00:21 ◼   ► that the Palmer yet

00:00:23 ◼   ► yeah i agree on a famously he took over

00:00:27 ◼   ► ratatouille after somebody else that it

00:00:30 ◼   ► wasn't his movie at Pixar somebody else

00:00:32 ◼   ► had it and and everybody decided this

00:00:34 ◼   ► isn't working out and he took over it at

00:00:36 ◼   ► a you know late in the game and did well

00:00:39 ◼   ► and that's obviously what somebody's

00:00:40 ◼   ► gonna have to do to make a new star wars

00:00:42 ◼   ► movie not necessarily that takeover and

00:00:44 ◼   ► a half of boarded movie but you're

00:00:47 ◼   ► coming into a series right yeah but i

00:00:52 ◼   ► mean that that person whoever it is will

00:00:55 ◼   ► have a much easier time than it would

00:00:58 ◼   ► appear on the surface just because I

00:01:00 ◼   ► mean I don't know about the people you

00:01:02 ◼   ► know you you chat with on Twitter and

00:01:04 ◼   ► stuff and but everyone there was like

00:01:06 ◼   ► universal acclaim for the fact that

00:01:07 ◼   ► George Lucas will only be a creative

00:01:09 ◼   ► consultant on these things I mean I

00:01:10 ◼   ► think everyone can agree that the the 13

00:01:15 ◼   ► range from suck too bad and so you know

00:01:22 ◼   ► it's big shoes to fill but it's also i

00:01:24 ◼   ► think you know the kind of starting with

00:01:26 ◼   ► a clean slate or they can they can do

00:01:30 ◼   ► what they want so do you think what do

00:01:33 ◼   ► you think they're going to do for these

00:01:34 ◼   ► star wars things because so they went

00:01:36 ◼   ► from George Lucas's obviously on record

00:01:38 ◼   ► as saying that this was it they're never

00:01:40 ◼   ► gonna do another one like he absolutely

00:01:41 ◼   ► said no we're not going to do it and

00:01:43 ◼   ► then you know things change people

00:01:45 ◼   ► people acquire other entities and those

00:01:49 ◼   ► entities have other ideas for what to do

00:01:50 ◼   ► but there's all this you know there's

00:01:52 ◼   ► the surrounding universe of Star Wars

00:01:54 ◼   ► all those books comics etc do they use

00:01:58 ◼   ► any of that or do they just come up with

00:01:59 ◼   ► completely new things now I i say they

00:02:03 ◼   ► go with completely new stuff I think

00:02:05 ◼   ► I've always and I and I know there's

00:02:06 ◼   ► probably a ton of listeners out there

00:02:09 ◼   ► who who are going to disagree but

00:02:11 ◼   ► my opinion is always been that the

00:02:13 ◼   ► movies are the only cannon in Star Wars

00:02:16 ◼   ► yeah and any other stuff is that just it

00:02:19 ◼   ► may have the official logo on it but

00:02:21 ◼   ► it's fanfiction right because i never

00:02:24 ◼   ► got into i read the first one because i

00:02:26 ◼   ► was so excited when the first novel came

00:02:29 ◼   ► out

00:02:30 ◼   ► uh-huh ah because it was unlike 99% sure

00:02:34 ◼   ► yeah I think I've got the timing right

00:02:36 ◼   ► on this where empires are not Empire

00:02:39 ◼   ► return of the jedi comes out in 1983 and

00:02:41 ◼   ► then Lucas is okay i'm done with these

00:02:43 ◼   ► star wars movies for now and right you

00:02:45 ◼   ► know and it did that was the only time

00:02:46 ◼   ► it really late eighties was the only

00:02:48 ◼   ► time r star wars really kind of faded

00:02:50 ◼   ► away where there was no new stuff at all

00:02:52 ◼   ► right in the nineties they said ok we're

00:02:54 ◼   ► going to start some new stuff and ate

00:02:55 ◼   ► the first thing they did was

00:02:56 ◼   ► commissioned a novel and it was terrible

00:03:01 ◼   ► it was so bad and you know what was it

00:03:05 ◼   ► was it an extension of uh of regalia

00:03:09 ◼   ► jetta it took place immediately have to

00:03:11 ◼   ► return of the jedi and it's about this

00:03:12 ◼   ► guy named Grand Admiral something is

00:03:16 ◼   ► like some kind of alien Admiral in the

00:03:18 ◼   ► in the Empire and he was holding what

00:03:22 ◼   ► was left of the empire together and and

00:03:25 ◼   ► and I guess what i really hated about it

00:03:28 ◼   ► was it was just one number one just

00:03:30 ◼   ► wasn't that compelling number two it was

00:03:32 ◼   ► a just well what do you know

00:03:34 ◼   ► once again the entire fate of the galaxy

00:03:36 ◼   ► comes down to Han Solo Princess Leia and

00:03:40 ◼   ► Luke Skywalker all right right Adrian

00:03:43 ◼   ► and I got the impression then after you

00:03:45 ◼   ► know I never read any other stuff but i

00:03:46 ◼   ► can write I'd often pick up the back of

00:03:48 ◼   ► them those novels and see what it is and

00:03:51 ◼   ► it's just a series of you know 40

00:03:53 ◼   ► different incidents where the entire

00:03:55 ◼   ► galaxy comes down to the fate of hunt so

00:03:57 ◼   ► scary and it's late

00:04:00 ◼   ► uh yeah that's a I you know it's sort of

00:04:04 ◼   ► the James Bond movies right so there are

00:04:07 ◼   ► what was it up until I forget you'll

00:04:09 ◼   ► know this which one was it was derived

00:04:12 ◼   ► from an actual even Fleming novel but

00:04:13 ◼   ► they obviously had to break away from

00:04:14 ◼   ► that because they just ran out of novels

00:04:16 ◼   ► doing it I i forget the last one that

00:04:19 ◼   ► was based on anything it's one of the

00:04:20 ◼   ► ones in the seventies one of the Roger

00:04:22 ◼   ► Moore ones and

00:04:23 ◼   ► so they eventually had to move on and

00:04:25 ◼   ► just come up with new stories and they

00:04:26 ◼   ► also have I think the same thing where

00:04:28 ◼   ► they have people doing fanfiction and

00:04:30 ◼   ► doing their own like James Bond things

00:04:32 ◼   ► so it's not as big don't think it's the

00:04:34 ◼   ► star wars element of it but yes so now

00:04:36 ◼   ► the movies are just they hire great

00:04:37 ◼   ► screenwriters well sometimes mediocre

00:04:41 ◼   ► sometimes it's it's the cast on the

00:04:43 ◼   ► screenwriter on strike but they try and

00:04:45 ◼   ► hire great screen writers to write these

00:04:47 ◼   ► things just just from scratch and i

00:04:48 ◼   ► think that works pretty well yeah i

00:04:50 ◼   ► think so too and you know obviously you

00:04:51 ◼   ► know the end and again they went back to

00:04:53 ◼   ► in fleming source material for casino

00:04:56 ◼   ► royale right and did I think a fantastic

00:04:59 ◼   ► job of modernizing it you know because

00:05:01 ◼   ► it was you know that the geopolitics of

00:05:04 ◼   ► the novel written 1959 don't exactly

00:05:06 ◼   ► hold up anymore right

00:05:09 ◼   ► I've heard the new one is is excellent

00:05:11 ◼   ► Ivan Ivan Ivan voided reading any major

00:05:14 ◼   ► review of it but the bugs seems to be

00:05:16 ◼   ► excellent buzz yeah I've actually heard

00:05:18 ◼   ► and dead serious

00:05:20 ◼   ► I mean exactly with you where I've I

00:05:22 ◼   ► almost didn't even want to watch the

00:05:23 ◼   ► trailer but I did and I'm glad I did

00:05:25 ◼   ► because it wasn't a spoiler trailer that

00:05:26 ◼   ► that that no modern format of trailer

00:05:29 ◼   ► with we condense the entire plot into

00:05:31 ◼   ► the 2-minute I wasn't like that at all

00:05:34 ◼   ► too true teaser trailer but the thing

00:05:37 ◼   ► i've heard is that there are people

00:05:38 ◼   ► saying that this seriously could be like

00:05:40 ◼   ► a best-picture movie I don't know about

00:05:44 ◼   ► that i mean i was almost too good to

00:05:46 ◼   ► wish for but it that somebody would even

00:05:47 ◼   ► seriously or even have seriously

00:05:49 ◼   ► suggested says to me all I need to know

00:05:52 ◼   ► will have your burden is always a you

00:05:54 ◼   ► know an actor in some category he seems

00:05:57 ◼   ► to be in every year being nominated for

00:05:59 ◼   ► something so in this is movie this year

00:06:01 ◼   ► so you know maybe yeah I you know I I

00:06:04 ◼   ► just an old adage I don't even you know

00:06:06 ◼   ► i'm sure it distributed to 30 different

00:06:08 ◼   ► directors but that ninety percent of

00:06:10 ◼   ► directing is casting on and i do think

00:06:13 ◼   ► that a lot of the bad James Bond movies

00:06:16 ◼   ► have been really poorly cast word so you

00:06:18 ◼   ► don't even know any of the other guys

00:06:19 ◼   ► who are in there and I can't even name

00:06:20 ◼   ► the actors i visit a hell of a cast

00:06:23 ◼   ► right you get Javier Bardem you got it

00:06:27 ◼   ► isn't rape refined in this yeah ray

00:06:29 ◼   ► fridays in it and i have no idea what he

00:06:31 ◼   ► is and don't have nobody tell me because

00:06:33 ◼   ► i have no idea they get it was

00:06:34 ◼   ► apparently a big secret

00:06:36 ◼   ► good guys and bad guys the traders ii

00:06:38 ◼   ► who knows but you know what can they

00:06:40 ◼   ► have have you ever seen the movie

00:06:42 ◼   ► perfume this kind of strange movie and I

00:06:45 ◼   ► have that's about it's a weird series

00:06:48 ◼   ► like killer with killer with a great

00:06:51 ◼   ► sense of spell movie but it's an

00:06:52 ◼   ► interesting movie is a it's like a

00:06:53 ◼   ► quirky thing but anyway that that guy's

00:06:56 ◼   ► i think is also in the James fun and

00:06:58 ◼   ► he's I don't think I'm spoiling anything

00:07:00 ◼   ► because it isn't the teaser thing where

00:07:01 ◼   ► he's plays a the new quartermaster

00:07:04 ◼   ► yeah yeah I know I knew that yeah he's

00:07:06 ◼   ► like yeah and I are gonna write that

00:07:07 ◼   ► down and watch that

00:07:08 ◼   ► ya know i love the idea i love the idea

00:07:11 ◼   ► that q is that the dynamic now is going

00:07:13 ◼   ► to be that he's young he's like a

00:07:15 ◼   ► twenty-something you know nerd

00:07:18 ◼   ► yeah as opposed to being way older than

00:07:19 ◼   ► bond now he's way younger than one

00:07:21 ◼   ► yeah well you're going back to the star

00:07:24 ◼   ► wars and here's the thing i remember

00:07:26 ◼   ► this is why I'm not surprised that that

00:07:28 ◼   ► there's a 789 that Lucas and I don't

00:07:31 ◼   ► think it's a bad idea that Lucas has an

00:07:32 ◼   ► outline form i think an outline from

00:07:34 ◼   ► Lucas is exactly it's great because you

00:07:36 ◼   ► know he's done the outline of what he's

00:07:39 ◼   ► done for the original six movies is fine

00:07:41 ◼   ► right it's the execution exactly in the

00:07:44 ◼   ► dialogue just keep your eye on its

00:07:46 ◼   ► overhead right and it's just no surprise

00:07:48 ◼   ► that that with Empire Strikes Back he

00:07:50 ◼   ► didn't write the screenplay did the

00:07:51 ◼   ► story and then they went to Lee bracket

00:07:55 ◼   ► who wrote those great nineteen forties

00:07:57 ◼   ► Humphrey Bogart movies which were almost

00:07:59 ◼   ► entirely the entire appeal of them was

00:08:01 ◼   ► the great dialogue

00:08:03 ◼   ► ok so that's you know I think that's a

00:08:05 ◼   ► great direction but here's the thing i

00:08:06 ◼   ► remember is when I was a kid it was so

00:08:09 ◼   ► hard to get information because you know

00:08:11 ◼   ► there was no internet and you would get

00:08:13 ◼   ► these I remember I beg and plead and get

00:08:15 ◼   ► my mom to buy these crazy magazines at

00:08:18 ◼   ► the supermarket these movie magazines

00:08:20 ◼   ► you know like things like fangoria i

00:08:23 ◼   ► think was one yeah right you know and

00:08:25 ◼   ► most of it was just filled and I liked

00:08:27 ◼   ► it all but most of it was filled with

00:08:29 ◼   ► you know like a seven-page thing on how

00:08:33 ◼   ► they did the makeup for American

00:08:35 ◼   ► Werewolf in London which is kind of

00:08:36 ◼   ► interesting how they do makeup and how

00:08:38 ◼   ► they do special effects and stuff like

00:08:39 ◼   ► that but then that's where i would get

00:08:41 ◼   ► tidbits of rumors about Star Wars and my

00:08:46 ◼   ► friends and I would just buy these

00:08:47 ◼   ► magazines and can

00:08:48 ◼   ► assume them just to try to get the

00:08:50 ◼   ► rumors about Star Wars and i remember

00:08:53 ◼   ► back and this is you know early eighties

00:08:55 ◼   ► maybe even before return of the jedi

00:08:58 ◼   ► came out that we knew we'd is like a

00:09:03 ◼   ► good eight nine ten year old kid I knew

00:09:05 ◼   ► that there were going to be nine movies

00:09:08 ◼   ► and that the first three words the you

00:09:10 ◼   ► know these three that the next three

00:09:12 ◼   ► we're going to take place before right

00:09:15 ◼   ► we knew i knew in 1983 that how did will

00:09:18 ◼   ► be our how did Anakin Skywalker turned

00:09:20 ◼   ► into Darth Vader had a lightsaber duel

00:09:22 ◼   ► with obi-wan Kenobi and got knocked into

00:09:25 ◼   ► a pit of lava I'm I knew that when I was

00:09:28 ◼   ► nine and isolated what do i do lily is

00:09:31 ◼   ► kind of abandoned that when he and his

00:09:34 ◼   ► most heinous recent interviews not

00:09:35 ◼   ► recent but a few years ago and write

00:09:37 ◼   ► about the second trilogy ye bandhan just

00:09:39 ◼   ► burnt out or was you think I don't know

00:09:41 ◼   ► my best guess is he just wanted people

00:09:43 ◼   ► to shut up about it stop asking you

00:09:45 ◼   ► and so he always knew he wanted to make

00:09:47 ◼   ► nine but as soon as he finished the

00:09:48 ◼   ► second three he just said there aren't

00:09:50 ◼   ► going to be any more because it's a good

00:09:51 ◼   ► way to get people to stop asking him

00:09:53 ◼   ► when there's gonna be more storms yeah

00:09:55 ◼   ► that's my guess

00:09:56 ◼   ► another thing that wasn't brought up

00:09:58 ◼   ► yesterday he is still in the process of

00:10:00 ◼   ► doing like the 3d transformation all

00:10:02 ◼   ► these right wasn't in the works

00:10:05 ◼   ► yes because i went to see the phantom

00:10:08 ◼   ► menace in 3d with with the with my son

00:10:11 ◼   ► and I think the other ones haven't

00:10:12 ◼   ► haven't come out haven't come out yet

00:10:13 ◼   ► right so i assume that that's still in

00:10:15 ◼   ► the works unless they unless Phantom

00:10:18 ◼   ► Menace I don't know how well it did if

00:10:19 ◼   ► it didn't do well and it wasn't worth

00:10:21 ◼   ► the time and money to to i read great

00:10:23 ◼   ► did it was like middling it did like a

00:10:27 ◼   ► hundred and five million at the box

00:10:28 ◼   ► office in a reissue which was you know

00:10:30 ◼   ► it's a hundred five million box with

00:10:32 ◼   ► right that right that I wonder how much

00:10:34 ◼   ► that cost to do

00:10:35 ◼   ► yeah but it wasn't like a sensation yeah

00:10:38 ◼   ► one you know one other interesting point

00:10:40 ◼   ► on that is someone I saw brought up and

00:10:42 ◼   ► it's just kind of a nice parallel i

00:10:45 ◼   ► think they said that uh mark hamill will

00:10:50 ◼   ► be the same age as alec guinness was in

00:10:53 ◼   ► the original Star Wars when this new

00:10:55 ◼   ► 2015 Star Wars comes out really kind of

00:10:58 ◼   ► area to the whole parallel or is

00:11:00 ◼   ► outguess younger than I

00:11:02 ◼   ► I think yeah I think he was 60 sometime

00:11:04 ◼   ► like that

00:11:05 ◼   ► yeah yeah I think that's right i think

00:11:07 ◼   ► that's what they said i think it was

00:11:08 ◼   ► Mark Hamill I don't know he always

00:11:10 ◼   ► looked all I've always thought that was

00:11:12 ◼   ► one of those continuity things that just

00:11:13 ◼   ► doesn't seem to add up is that how old

00:11:18 ◼   ► you and mcgregor looks at the end of

00:11:20 ◼   ► episode three when he's handing over

00:11:22 ◼   ► baby Luke to the family where I compared

00:11:25 ◼   ► to and was it 19 years later 20 years

00:11:27 ◼   ► later in the nineteen or twenty years

00:11:29 ◼   ► later when when the next one picks up

00:11:31 ◼   ► the right right looks like he had over

00:11:33 ◼   ► 20 years

00:11:35 ◼   ► yeah I've always having my back of my

00:11:37 ◼   ► mind I've always thought I was gonna do

00:11:39 ◼   ► to commission some sort of parody thing

00:11:41 ◼   ► that I thought it would be funny that

00:11:43 ◼   ► you know in this question of hey why not

00:11:46 ◼   ► in those intervening 20 years why did

00:11:48 ◼   ► Yoda and obi-wan go into hiding rather

00:11:50 ◼   ► than like try to kick some ass around

00:11:52 ◼   ► the galaxy right in my I always thought

00:11:55 ◼   ► the funniest explanation would be that

00:11:56 ◼   ► he he just drank himself sick and that

00:11:59 ◼   ► can happen and you know like that's why

00:12:01 ◼   ► he knows you can see it as a good look

00:12:03 ◼   ► yeah that's a lie like that I like that

00:12:05 ◼   ► because it really does seem like he's

00:12:07 ◼   ► headed very a really rough 20 years

00:12:10 ◼   ► well and ewan mcgregor did a good job of

00:12:12 ◼   ► the voice stuff right like he's he did a

00:12:14 ◼   ► fantastic job he's constantly mimicking

00:12:17 ◼   ► Alec Guinness his voice and yes just

00:12:19 ◼   ► like they could have done a little bit

00:12:20 ◼   ► more makeup work yes and in the third

00:12:22 ◼   ► one to show him slowly deteriorating

00:12:25 ◼   ► something like that

00:12:27 ◼   ► I well remember when they were

00:12:28 ◼   ► originally casting the new trilogy one

00:12:31 ◼   ► of the rumors was that kenneth branagh

00:12:34 ◼   ► was up for the role of obi-wan Kenobi

00:12:37 ◼   ► ok so even closer in age than at least

00:12:40 ◼   ► liked for the Aged discrepancy right and

00:12:42 ◼   ► i think that the guy i think the

00:12:44 ◼   ► explanation was that he had read Lucas

00:12:47 ◼   ► reconsidered how big of a span he wanted

00:12:49 ◼   ► to cover and wanted to have a truly

00:12:52 ◼   ► young obi-wan in the first one you know

00:12:54 ◼   ► like I don't know how old he was but he

00:12:56 ◼   ► was supposed to know you still a Padawan

00:12:57 ◼   ► and right he has a rat tail so it's

00:13:01 ◼   ► probably like you know right yeah 20 but

00:13:04 ◼   ► i think though that kenneth branagh

00:13:06 ◼   ► would have been it would have made the

00:13:07 ◼   ► continuity feel more by the end of the

00:13:10 ◼   ► three movies would have made it feel a

00:13:12 ◼   ► little bit more

00:13:13 ◼   ► again it's about 20 years before Alec

00:13:16 ◼   ► Guinness so do you think with these new

00:13:18 ◼   ► ones you think they do continuation or

00:13:21 ◼   ► all new characters I mean they'll have

00:13:23 ◼   ► to do some obviously tions to the to the

00:13:26 ◼   ► previous original trilogy right i really

00:13:29 ◼   ► don't know and that was the one thing

00:13:31 ◼   ► you know that

00:13:33 ◼   ► yeah and and there do you see the thing

00:13:36 ◼   ► that came out today that mark hamill

00:13:38 ◼   ► said in an interview that George Lucas

00:13:40 ◼   ► had told that had lunch with him and

00:13:42 ◼   ► Carrie Fisher a year ago and told them

00:13:45 ◼   ► like a year ago and said look you can't

00:13:47 ◼   ► tell anybody but I'm going to do three

00:13:48 ◼   ► more movies and I guess there was

00:13:49 ◼   ► nothing interview interview that said I

00:13:51 ◼   ► want you guys in it

00:13:52 ◼   ► alright it just he just said I just like

00:13:55 ◼   ► you guys should know because it's gonna

00:13:57 ◼   ► come out you know it's gonna come out

00:13:58 ◼   ► eventually I wanted you guys to know

00:14:00 ◼   ► that and they're going to be sequels

00:14:01 ◼   ► that take place later but I you know

00:14:03 ◼   ► whether it's 20 30 years and those

00:14:05 ◼   ► characters are still alive or whether

00:14:06 ◼   ► it's you know thousand generations or

00:14:09 ◼   ► something like that I don't know

00:14:11 ◼   ► yeah well if they want to I mean the

00:14:14 ◼   ► every indication by disney now is that

00:14:15 ◼   ► they want to keep keep this going

00:14:17 ◼   ► indefinitely almost like a James Bond

00:14:18 ◼   ► type thing where you know even new one

00:14:20 ◼   ► every few years so if they do that then

00:14:22 ◼   ► I assume they start pretty soon after

00:14:25 ◼   ► the the original trilogy and then just

00:14:26 ◼   ► keep going into the future and trying to

00:14:28 ◼   ► make compelling characters right be kind

00:14:31 ◼   ► of cool if it was just like rumored you

00:14:32 ◼   ► know like that there's this guy Luke

00:14:34 ◼   ► Skywalker's I don't know I definitely

00:14:36 ◼   ► think it could be it's very yet I feel

00:14:38 ◼   ► like it could be great and I but I feel

00:14:39 ◼   ► like the worst thing would be if it's

00:14:41 ◼   ► you know Lucan land and I I can't

00:14:45 ◼   ► imagine Harrison Ford want anything to

00:14:46 ◼   ► do with it and right now Luke and Leia

00:14:50 ◼   ► and Chewbacca save the galaxy again

00:14:53 ◼   ► okay yeah pretty exciting

00:14:58 ◼   ► yeah I'm surprised I'm kind of so i

00:15:01 ◼   ► don't know i mean obviously I've never

00:15:02 ◼   ► met George Lucas but I'm just surprised

00:15:09 ◼   ► it from what I thought about him that

00:15:10 ◼   ► just you know I guess he wants to get

00:15:11 ◼   ► into charity and I guess if you're gonna

00:15:13 ◼   ► write you can do that me know if that's

00:15:15 ◼   ► really where your passion is you know it

00:15:17 ◼   ► just doesn't make sense to me

00:15:18 ◼   ► he clearly has yet I think he's ok he's

00:15:20 ◼   ► already billionaire right from from all

00:15:22 ◼   ► those movies like he his big thing was

00:15:24 ◼   ► that he did such a good job of the

00:15:26 ◼   ► the cutting the deals to get the

00:15:28 ◼   ► merchandising rights right i mean that's

00:15:30 ◼   ► very made most of his money off of off

00:15:32 ◼   ► of all the Star Wars movies and the

00:15:35 ◼   ► movies themselves made you know over a

00:15:36 ◼   ► billion dollars but that's small

00:15:38 ◼   ► compared to what they make on the toy

00:15:40 ◼   ► sales and all that other stuff and so

00:15:42 ◼   ► yeah he clearly didn't need the money to

00:15:45 ◼   ► do it but maybe don't know maybe feels

00:15:47 ◼   ► like Disney will be a good shepherd I

00:15:48 ◼   ► mean Bob Iger seems to be awesome at

00:15:50 ◼   ► cutting these these types of deals I i

00:15:52 ◼   ► actually just want to take him at his

00:15:54 ◼   ► word and that he you know he wasn't

00:15:56 ◼   ► going to make anymore he wants us to

00:15:57 ◼   ► stay evergreen and you who better to has

00:16:01 ◼   ► a better track record of keeping

00:16:03 ◼   ► franchises a live decade after decade

00:16:06 ◼   ► than disney right you know and have done

00:16:09 ◼   ► a very good job with the muppets they've

00:16:11 ◼   ► done a good job with that

00:16:12 ◼   ► well marvel it's hard to judge so far

00:16:14 ◼   ► that's right it's too early but they've

00:16:17 ◼   ► done a good job so far with those films

00:16:18 ◼   ► and they do a great job with the

00:16:20 ◼   ► merchandising which has always been so

00:16:21 ◼   ► important to start were so right

00:16:23 ◼   ► yeah it's a good fit yeah very exciting

00:16:25 ◼   ► as i said i tweeted this and couple a

00:16:29 ◼   ► lot of people retweeted it and it does

00:16:31 ◼   ► it weirds me out is that it is going to

00:16:33 ◼   ► be really weird to have a Star Wars

00:16:34 ◼   ► movie open without the 20th century five

00:16:37 ◼   ► and fair

00:16:38 ◼   ► yeah yeah I wonder do they did they

00:16:41 ◼   ► retain any sort of Rights for like Co

00:16:45 ◼   ► distribution of any future properties no

00:16:48 ◼   ► okay and it's different with Indiana

00:16:50 ◼   ► Jones paramount has anything if they do

00:16:54 ◼   ► anything with Indiana Jones it's gonna

00:16:56 ◼   ► have to be with paramount cooperation

00:16:58 ◼   ► ok on in some degree or they have to buy

00:17:02 ◼   ► them out they are there's something that

00:17:03 ◼   ► have to buy up and our warriors and

00:17:05 ◼   ► that's because like Spielberg it's that

00:17:07 ◼   ► this is so incestuous right so

00:17:09 ◼   ► Spielberg's Amblin group had a deal with

00:17:11 ◼   ► paramount back then when they were doing

00:17:13 ◼   ► that and then Kathleen Kennedy was his

00:17:15 ◼   ► production partner and now Kathleen

00:17:16 ◼   ► Kennedy is the president of a Lucasfilm

00:17:20 ◼   ► at disney so it's like all these things

00:17:23 ◼   ► are tied together directly i didn't

00:17:28 ◼   ► think about that i didn't put those that

00:17:29 ◼   ► her name together there

00:17:30 ◼   ► yeah the three of them are all like yeah

00:17:33 ◼   ► Lucas spill Bergen in kathleen kennedy

00:17:35 ◼   ► obviously have been closed for a long

00:17:37 ◼   ► time and now that's all sort of related

00:17:39 ◼   ► and then

00:17:39 ◼   ► so I don't know but everybody but 20th

00:17:42 ◼   ► Century Fox has nothing going forward

00:17:44 ◼   ► with the new trilogy the only thing that

00:17:46 ◼   ► they have and it is fascinating is the

00:17:49 ◼   ► 20th Century Fox has perpetual rights

00:17:55 ◼   ► into infinity for the original 1977 star

00:17:59 ◼   ► wars a new hope for the distribution of

00:18:01 ◼   ► it all that's interesting day they have

00:18:03 ◼   ► Empire and return of the jedi until like

00:18:07 ◼   ► 20 20 or something like that and I don't

00:18:09 ◼   ► think they end the new ones they were

00:18:12 ◼   ► just you know Lucas was in a position of

00:18:13 ◼   ► power where they they were just

00:18:15 ◼   ► discussing later

00:18:16 ◼   ► something must they must be pushing them

00:18:18 ◼   ► to do this 3d stuff because they want to

00:18:20 ◼   ► squeeze as much money before 2020 or

00:18:22 ◼   ► whatever it is they can out of this

00:18:24 ◼   ► yeah i think so and that the idea was

00:18:26 ◼   ► that once these other three movies are

00:18:28 ◼   ► done figured 2015 given two for each

00:18:32 ◼   ► year two years reach 2015 17 19 that by

00:18:36 ◼   ► 2020 it would be nice to be able to buy

00:18:39 ◼   ► a 9 movie box set but that it would

00:18:41 ◼   ► never be possible without either buying

00:18:44 ◼   ► 20th Century Fox's rights for that

00:18:47 ◼   ► original 1977 one or doing it in

00:18:51 ◼   ► cooperation with them that's that you

00:18:54 ◼   ► know that's that's interesting when

00:18:55 ◼   ► thinking about the james bond series

00:18:57 ◼   ► again right because uh who is it it

00:18:59 ◼   ► might make me paramount that owns the

00:19:01 ◼   ► rights to one I think it's thunderball

00:19:03 ◼   ► and that's why they redid the night that

00:19:06 ◼   ► bond movie in the eighties with with

00:19:08 ◼   ► Connor e-learning never seen ya never

00:19:10 ◼   ► say never again because that's the only

00:19:12 ◼   ► one they own the rights to that's the

00:19:13 ◼   ► only one that the the broccoli family

00:19:16 ◼   ► doesn't have complete rights to it i

00:19:19 ◼   ► believe

00:19:20 ◼   ► yeah it's a very it I i really got

00:19:23 ◼   ► obsessed with that a while ago is when

00:19:24 ◼   ► Dan Benjamin and I were going through

00:19:26 ◼   ► all the james bond movie and we decided

00:19:28 ◼   ► to treat it as one because the honorees

00:19:30 ◼   ► and it's a bond movie

00:19:31 ◼   ► yeah it's like he had agreed to do a

00:19:36 ◼   ► teleplay Ian Fleming I'm wasn't a James

00:19:40 ◼   ► Bond story i don't think it was just a

00:19:42 ◼   ► spy caper for like the BBC television

00:19:44 ◼   ► with a co-writer yeah and it fell

00:19:47 ◼   ► through never happened and he took the

00:19:50 ◼   ► guts of the story which was just the

00:19:52 ◼   ► basic idea of it

00:19:53 ◼   ► terrorist organization steals a nuclear

00:19:56 ◼   ► bomb by hijacking by having a trader on

00:19:59 ◼   ► a a pilot Air Force pilot because a

00:20:03 ◼   ► trader for this terrorist group and

00:20:05 ◼   ► that's how they get ahold of a nuclear

00:20:06 ◼   ► bomb and they just want to ransom it off

00:20:09 ◼   ► ok good story but he took it and made it

00:20:12 ◼   ► into a bond novel and the litigation

00:20:15 ◼   ► started and it was all ongoing and the

00:20:18 ◼   ► broccoli group went ahead and made a

00:20:20 ◼   ► movie out of thunderball anyway even

00:20:21 ◼   ► though they had some of their advisors

00:20:23 ◼   ► are saying maybe we shouldn't do this

00:20:24 ◼   ► one to keep you know let's do another

00:20:26 ◼   ► one he's already got 60 these novels

00:20:28 ◼   ► don't do thunderball yet because there's

00:20:29 ◼   ► this legally questionable weird anyway

00:20:32 ◼   ► and it was a huge hit i mean it was you

00:20:34 ◼   ► know is i might have been making the

00:20:38 ◼   ► biggest it might have been the biggest

00:20:39 ◼   ► one because it was the fourth one and

00:20:40 ◼   ► Goldfinger was was one of a kind of

00:20:43 ◼   ► broke through as a sensation and

00:20:44 ◼   ► thunderbird is just an unbelievable

00:20:45 ◼   ► follow-up Ron and it was like more of a

00:20:49 ◼   ► spectacular in terms of the effects with

00:20:51 ◼   ► all the underwater fighting and stuff it

00:20:54 ◼   ► was I get people were going back to see

00:20:56 ◼   ► it again and again because they were

00:20:57 ◼   ► seeing things in everything but anyway

00:20:58 ◼   ► they ended up losing the litigation and

00:21:00 ◼   ► lost money on it and and that the gist

00:21:03 ◼   ► of it was that both Fleming and the

00:21:07 ◼   ► original guy got co-writes to the

00:21:09 ◼   ► Thunderbolt James Bond thunderball story

00:21:11 ◼   ► so the broccoli group if they wanted to

00:21:12 ◼   ► could make a new do it fireball it but

00:21:16 ◼   ► there's this other group at you know i

00:21:18 ◼   ► think you're right that it's paramount

00:21:19 ◼   ► could do it to like they could still

00:21:22 ◼   ► make any they still could make a James

00:21:24 ◼   ► Bond movie if it follows the plot and I

00:21:27 ◼   ► think they were I believe that almost

00:21:29 ◼   ► happened in the nineties when they were

00:21:31 ◼   ► in between the Dalton and bras and stuff

00:21:33 ◼   ► i think that a group was exploring

00:21:36 ◼   ► rebooting before gold and I came out for

00:21:40 ◼   ► paramount or whoever the other studio is

00:21:42 ◼   ► but yeah it would've had to use that

00:21:44 ◼   ► same they're just gonna remake it every

00:21:46 ◼   ► 10 years I guess Nam and so I wonder if

00:21:48 ◼   ► with with Star Wars now since since 20

00:21:51 ◼   ► Century Fox owns those the rights to the

00:21:53 ◼   ► first one if they do like a remake of a

00:21:57 ◼   ► new hope with like six year old mark

00:21:59 ◼   ► hamill and I don't know if you that

00:22:01 ◼   ► would be it would be interesting if they

00:22:03 ◼   ► have the right to do whatever they want

00:22:04 ◼   ► like that or just the rights to

00:22:06 ◼   ► distribute

00:22:06 ◼   ► the movie as it was made you know you

00:22:08 ◼   ► got me interested yeah I don't know

00:22:11 ◼   ► fascinating stuff though really is yes

00:22:14 ◼   ► us all right let's do that the nerd why

00:22:18 ◼   ► that's nerd stuff too but that one their

00:22:20 ◼   ► stuff right actually quite a bit of

00:22:22 ◼   ► applications now the Apple the ipad mini

00:22:25 ◼   ► ipad for seems like everybody did what I

00:22:28 ◼   ► did it seems i didn't really discuss

00:22:30 ◼   ► with anybody but I i had to review units

00:22:32 ◼   ► from apple and an ipad 4 and iPad Mini

00:22:35 ◼   ► yep i spent all week with the ipad mini

00:22:37 ◼   ► and i use the ipad for free like 15

00:22:40 ◼   ► minutes just did you not give it a kick

00:22:42 ◼   ► kick the tires run some benchmarks and

00:22:44 ◼   ► as I get it just like the ipad 3 about

00:22:46 ◼   ► twice as fast

00:22:47 ◼   ► yeah that the problem is I don't know if

00:22:51 ◼   ► you ran into this like I was trying to

00:22:52 ◼   ► test the the fourth-generation iPad and

00:22:55 ◼   ► it the ipad 3 is already so fast for

00:22:59 ◼   ► every app that I try to run it's just

00:23:01 ◼   ► like it's hard to gauge I think you know

00:23:04 ◼   ► things load faster generally but it's I

00:23:07 ◼   ► mean it was already loading so fast so

00:23:09 ◼   ► we're really gonna have to wait for

00:23:10 ◼   ► developers to come up with kind of crazy

00:23:12 ◼   ► apps to take advantage of the a6x and

00:23:16 ◼   ► and the new graphics capabilities and

00:23:18 ◼   ► we're just not there yet

00:23:19 ◼   ► yeah aiight i saw a demo of one kind of

00:23:23 ◼   ► during the briefing thing of of game

00:23:27 ◼   ► that was specifically built for the new

00:23:29 ◼   ► technical capabilities and looked

00:23:30 ◼   ► amazing you know different lens flares

00:23:33 ◼   ► and all kinds of different things going

00:23:34 ◼   ► on graphically but yeah it's it's really

00:23:38 ◼   ► it was really pretty hard to to try to

00:23:41 ◼   ► review this fourth-generation iPad since

00:23:43 ◼   ► it is you know for all intents and

00:23:45 ◼   ► purposes a an ipad 3 s right

00:23:48 ◼   ► yes and it's true too because you know

00:23:50 ◼   ► that the games were already out there

00:23:51 ◼   ► they're the developers aren't going to

00:23:54 ◼   ► target hardware beyond what's already

00:23:55 ◼   ► out there so anything that's already am

00:23:57 ◼   ► store is meant to run well on the ipad 3

00:23:59 ◼   ► yep or at least on the ipad 3 if not

00:24:02 ◼   ► even older ipad so did you know that

00:24:04 ◼   ► I've had for is going to use you know go

00:24:06 ◼   ► through that without even breaking a

00:24:08 ◼   ► sweat

00:24:09 ◼   ► yeah so yeah I think we all i think i

00:24:11 ◼   ► saw that too that pretty much everyone

00:24:12 ◼   ► roped in there just a quick mention

00:24:14 ◼   ► about the the ipad fortune in their ipad

00:24:17 ◼   ► mini review yeah but i really like

00:24:19 ◼   ► did the ipad mini I really all I think I

00:24:23 ◼   ► like it more

00:24:24 ◼   ► you know I'm gonna take a lot of shit

00:24:26 ◼   ► for saying that but I think I like it

00:24:27 ◼   ► more each day like the more I just use

00:24:29 ◼   ► it just seems to be a much more natural

00:24:31 ◼   ► way to just interact with them with a

00:24:36 ◼   ► tablet seems like it and I I'd feeling I

00:24:38 ◼   ► would feel that way given my thoughts

00:24:40 ◼   ► about the nexus 7 the form factor in

00:24:42 ◼   ► general and it just seems like Apple had

00:24:46 ◼   ► an opportunity to really nail this form

00:24:48 ◼   ► factor and I think they did I wanted two

00:24:50 ◼   ► things that struck me i didn't put in my

00:24:52 ◼   ► review but and i actually just saved it

00:24:54 ◼   ► for the show cuz it it anyway sound

00:24:56 ◼   ► better than it would read better but it

00:24:58 ◼   ► took me feels like more of a pad like

00:25:02 ◼   ► the your word pad fits better here

00:25:05 ◼   ► whereas the full-sized iPad is more of a

00:25:08 ◼   ► tap tablet seems like the right word

00:25:09 ◼   ► right like this big thing that Moses

00:25:11 ◼   ► came down the mountain with a big tablet

00:25:13 ◼   ► yeah that's that's a good way to put it

00:25:15 ◼   ► i agree with that this feels more like a

00:25:17 ◼   ► pattern i know people have been

00:25:18 ◼   ► comparing it to like you know the weight

00:25:21 ◼   ► to like a pad of paper at it they are

00:25:23 ◼   ► very similar it's you know it's even

00:25:25 ◼   ► smaller than like a mosque in notebook

00:25:28 ◼   ► or doing a bigger normal skin notebook

00:25:31 ◼   ► right on probably equivalent to like the

00:25:34 ◼   ► the more pocket-sized moleskin notebook

00:25:36 ◼   ► it really just pad feels like the right

00:25:38 ◼   ► word and I do feel like this is sort of

00:25:40 ◼   ► the natural especially for someone and i

00:25:42 ◼   ► really emphasize this as someone who

00:25:44 ◼   ► still has and wants to have a portable a

00:25:48 ◼   ► real portable laptop computer like a

00:25:50 ◼   ► macbook air macbook pro or something

00:25:52 ◼   ► like that as a secondary portable

00:25:56 ◼   ► computer this seems like a better form

00:25:57 ◼   ► factor

00:25:58 ◼   ► yeah and I think that's why you know

00:26:01 ◼   ► some people are already questioning well

00:26:02 ◼   ► how does this fit into the lineup I mean

00:26:04 ◼   ► you know you got an ipad already why

00:26:06 ◼   ► someone would buy this

00:26:07 ◼   ► I do think that'll that more people are

00:26:08 ◼   ► going to end up buying an ipad mini I

00:26:10 ◼   ► mean I know it's it's early and and who

00:26:12 ◼   ► knows how this will actually play out

00:26:14 ◼   ► especially given the price element of it

00:26:15 ◼   ► but this just seems like the thing that

00:26:18 ◼   ► people will want especially the people

00:26:21 ◼   ► that you're talking about which is most

00:26:23 ◼   ► people most people already have a

00:26:24 ◼   ► computer of course and so they're

00:26:26 ◼   ► wondering like why should i get an ipad

00:26:27 ◼   ► when I already have a computer maybe

00:26:28 ◼   ► i'll get an ipad you know when my

00:26:30 ◼   ► computer dies or something like that but

00:26:32 ◼   ► this

00:26:32 ◼   ► this is a pretty natural transition

00:26:34 ◼   ► point to have both so yeah that's why I

00:26:38 ◼   ► think that this thing maybe soon as next

00:26:41 ◼   ► quarter could end up about selling the

00:26:43 ◼   ► the iPad itself i really i think for the

00:26:45 ◼   ► holiday quarter i really do and part of

00:26:47 ◼   ► the reaction and it's one basing it on a

00:26:48 ◼   ► sample size of one almost nine year old

00:26:52 ◼   ► boy but there is a note no doubt in my

00:26:55 ◼   ► mind that if you sent if you gave my son

00:26:57 ◼   ► 400 bucks put them in the apple store

00:26:59 ◼   ► and so you can buy whatever i pod you

00:27:02 ◼   ► want our iPad well whatever you want 400

00:27:06 ◼   ► bucks i think there's no doubt in my

00:27:08 ◼   ► mind that he would buy the ipad mini

00:27:09 ◼   ► this is no question he wouldn't know how

00:27:12 ◼   ► is he so that's I'm pretty interested in

00:27:14 ◼   ► that because i have no real a data point

00:27:17 ◼   ► there yet in terms of like kids using it

00:27:20 ◼   ► so that's a huge thing for the iPad

00:27:22 ◼   ► itself and everyone knows this by now

00:27:25 ◼   ► but what about the ipad mini with kids

00:27:27 ◼   ► like how did your son use I wanted to

00:27:30 ◼   ► play games on it and you know and he

00:27:32 ◼   ► does he does read he reads it does I

00:27:34 ◼   ► books on his ipad is an old think it's a

00:27:38 ◼   ► first gen ipad actually the one that we

00:27:40 ◼   ► have been around that's for him to use

00:27:41 ◼   ► but it's definitely pretty resonant

00:27:43 ◼   ► either a one or two but it always has

00:27:46 ◼   ► surprised me that he uses it less than

00:27:49 ◼   ► his old last generation Knockaround

00:27:51 ◼   ► iphone that we given he plays more games

00:27:55 ◼   ► has played can you know consistently

00:27:58 ◼   ► more games on an iphone then on an iPad

00:28:01 ◼   ► even when it's not because we were out

00:28:03 ◼   ► it out about and that's what was easy to

00:28:05 ◼   ► take form it's in the house when he's on

00:28:08 ◼   ► the couch and he's just playing games he

00:28:09 ◼   ► likes that because i think that the the

00:28:11 ◼   ► weight of the idea is a it just feels

00:28:14 ◼   ► like work whereas he really likes the

00:28:16 ◼   ► size of this is like what you know is

00:28:17 ◼   ► his take was I can't believe they didn't

00:28:19 ◼   ► make them all like this so yeah I wrote

00:28:22 ◼   ► in my review and I think I'm not it i'm

00:28:25 ◼   ► not a huge gamer by any stretch but it

00:28:27 ◼   ► seems like when i was playing some of

00:28:29 ◼   ► the just testing out some of the

00:28:30 ◼   ► different ipad optimized games on this

00:28:33 ◼   ► ipad mini this seems like an absolute

00:28:35 ◼   ► killer gaming device like I don't know

00:28:37 ◼   ► why people would still buy an xbox or

00:28:41 ◼   ► you know obviously there's going to be

00:28:43 ◼   ► games that have

00:28:44 ◼   ► with more better graphics capabilities

00:28:47 ◼   ► and you know some more involved games

00:28:50 ◼   ► but for casual gaming this is an

00:28:51 ◼   ► absolute killer device for that it's

00:28:53 ◼   ► like the perfect size and it almost

00:28:55 ◼   ► feels like these games were tailored for

00:28:57 ◼   ► an ipad this size rather than the larger

00:29:00 ◼   ► size because like where your hands are

00:29:01 ◼   ► situated and you know you have well you

00:29:04 ◼   ► don't have a you know the side bezel now

00:29:05 ◼   ► really on the when you're holding it in

00:29:07 ◼   ► portrait mode in landscape mode you

00:29:09 ◼   ► still have that and it's just it seems

00:29:11 ◼   ► like a really awesome gaming machines

00:29:13 ◼   ► yeah i think so too i really do think

00:29:15 ◼   ► that in some ways maybe it's more of a

00:29:18 ◼   ► devastating competitive move to nintendo

00:29:21 ◼   ► and Joanie yes then it is to google and

00:29:26 ◼   ► amazon you know because especially with

00:29:28 ◼   ► isn't nintendo I you know I haven't seen

00:29:30 ◼   ► too much about it but I know it's coming

00:29:32 ◼   ► out the wii u their new gaming systems

00:29:35 ◼   ► they're gonna be first to market of the

00:29:37 ◼   ► next-generation gaming system with this

00:29:39 ◼   ► wii u thing in I mean it's sort of not

00:29:42 ◼   ► too different from what the ipad mini is

00:29:45 ◼   ► doing right it's like the handheld

00:29:47 ◼   ► touchable hold it with two hands type

00:29:50 ◼   ► thing and i think that i mean this is

00:29:53 ◼   ► this is going to be huge for for kids it

00:29:55 ◼   ► gaming and for just people like casual

00:29:57 ◼   ► games now I don't count nintendo out

00:29:59 ◼   ► cause I'm a huge fan of Nintendo's work

00:30:01 ◼   ► and I think they really do sweat the

00:30:03 ◼   ► details and and in an apple-like way

00:30:05 ◼   ► about getting gameplay right buttons

00:30:07 ◼   ► right into that but I just think that

00:30:09 ◼   ► the ipad could risk taking so much

00:30:12 ◼   ► oxygen out of the room that there

00:30:13 ◼   ► there's not enough left for nintendo no

00:30:15 ◼   ► matter how good the product they come

00:30:17 ◼   ► out with this

00:30:18 ◼   ► yeah and I mean we this gets brought up

00:30:21 ◼   ► every every quarter at least but how

00:30:23 ◼   ► awesome would it be if Apple just bought

00:30:25 ◼   ► nintendo I mean it would be it would be

00:30:27 ◼   ► such a great selling point for these

00:30:30 ◼   ► devices it makes sense for Apple to do

00:30:32 ◼   ► because that's that's will get people

00:30:35 ◼   ► specifically just to buy an ipad mini to

00:30:37 ◼   ► be able to play mario and zelda and

00:30:39 ◼   ► those and those types of IP it seems

00:30:40 ◼   ► like Nintendo like the reports out of

00:30:42 ◼   ► Japan they're very proud company

00:30:43 ◼   ► obviously they don't want to do that but

00:30:45 ◼   ► Apple has the money of course to do it

00:30:47 ◼   ► and it's just a question of what it

00:30:48 ◼   ► would it work could they make it work

00:30:50 ◼   ► and would it make sense to maybe keep

00:30:52 ◼   ► them get them out of the hardware game

00:30:54 ◼   ► and keep them is like into almost

00:30:56 ◼   ► independent

00:30:57 ◼   ► content game you know just focus on

00:31:01 ◼   ► making games will make the devices you

00:31:04 ◼   ► focus on your library you know almost

00:31:07 ◼   ► again like Star Wars this great library

00:31:09 ◼   ► of classic characters and games and

00:31:12 ◼   ► innovative new stuff that's really

00:31:16 ◼   ► really super engaging yeah and i think

00:31:19 ◼   ► that they would avoid what you know what

00:31:21 ◼   ► would be the pitfall of potential

00:31:23 ◼   ► pitfall of this which is that you know

00:31:25 ◼   ► well apples moving into gaming now

00:31:26 ◼   ► everyone else watch out but the gaming

00:31:28 ◼   ► environment is such a big thing and this

00:31:30 ◼   ► is worked well for nintendo in the past

00:31:32 ◼   ► and all these other guys they make their

00:31:33 ◼   ► games everyone makes their own games but

00:31:35 ◼   ► then they have the larger ecosystem and

00:31:37 ◼   ► it's kind of like pushing the envelope

00:31:38 ◼   ► for nintendo's always been good at at

00:31:40 ◼   ► setting a new high bar and kind of the

00:31:42 ◼   ► other guys trying to to match it and

00:31:44 ◼   ► apple could do the same thing with their

00:31:46 ◼   ► own gaming studio under nintendo if they

00:31:48 ◼   ► did that or if they worked out some kind

00:31:51 ◼   ► of deal you know maybe they want to

00:31:53 ◼   ► require you to do some kind of the

00:31:54 ◼   ► essence in deal where they encourage

00:31:56 ◼   ► them to you know somehow do we

00:31:58 ◼   ► exclusively producing yeah stuff might

00:32:01 ◼   ► have to imagine that all of those guys

00:32:03 ◼   ► have been talking about this for years

00:32:04 ◼   ► and microsoft sony well maybe not

00:32:08 ◼   ► something i don't know what the rivalry

00:32:09 ◼   ► like is its with sony and nintendo maybe

00:32:11 ◼   ► they hate each other but Microsoft

00:32:14 ◼   ► certainly had to have has to have

00:32:15 ◼   ► constantly been approaching intended to

00:32:17 ◼   ► try and make those games available on

00:32:19 ◼   ► xbox because it's such a gold mine right

00:32:21 ◼   ► well it's two hands they have number one

00:32:24 ◼   ► they have nintendo has tremendous talent

00:32:27 ◼   ► yes I mean then consistently you know

00:32:29 ◼   ► they just have great great game

00:32:31 ◼   ► designers and artists and the second

00:32:34 ◼   ► thing i have is this library of

00:32:36 ◼   ► characters which as that the Marvel

00:32:39 ◼   ► acquisition and the star wars

00:32:40 ◼   ► acquisition show has unbelievable value

00:32:43 ◼   ► I mean then you know that's been long

00:32:45 ◼   ► enough that you know there's no doubt

00:32:47 ◼   ► that these guys like Mario and Donkey

00:32:49 ◼   ► Kong and those guys are you know maybe

00:32:52 ◼   ► they're not quite at the level of the

00:32:53 ◼   ► Disney characters like Donald Duck and

00:32:55 ◼   ► Mickey and those guys but they're very

00:32:56 ◼   ► very close and maybe I would be

00:32:58 ◼   ► surprised if in Asia their greater yeah

00:33:01 ◼   ► oh yeah that's it i would be surprised

00:33:04 ◼   ► either a disney tries to acquire a

00:33:05 ◼   ► nintendo I we may write in their

00:33:07 ◼   ► wheelhouse know and that definitely

00:33:08 ◼   ► seems like their strategies if you

00:33:10 ◼   ► not evergreen ensemble of these

00:33:14 ◼   ► characters that were a no and its family

00:33:16 ◼   ► and their family friend friendly than

00:33:17 ◼   ► where we want them

00:33:19 ◼   ► yeah no doubt about it ok with the game

00:33:25 ◼   ► I think of and I don't play enough games

00:33:26 ◼   ► to really to be a great judge of it but

00:33:29 ◼   ► I know the one game i sometimes like to

00:33:30 ◼   ► play as the real racing games on ipad

00:33:33 ◼   ► and it's it's I think it's definitely

00:33:35 ◼   ► better on the mini no doubt in my mind

00:33:37 ◼   ► because it's you know it's just far less

00:33:39 ◼   ► to hold out in front of you i mean your

00:33:41 ◼   ► arms are sticking straight up and then

00:33:42 ◼   ► you know doing this thing where you're

00:33:44 ◼   ► turning the screen with a pound and a

00:33:47 ◼   ► half vs. you know seven-tenths of Amelia

00:33:50 ◼   ► it's right you know it's a huge

00:33:52 ◼   ► difference so I do think that gaming

00:33:54 ◼   ► alone i think ipad mini and so is going

00:33:56 ◼   ► to be a hit and so let's talk about the

00:34:00 ◼   ► screen that's obviously I mean every

00:34:02 ◼   ► review had to say it because it's just

00:34:04 ◼   ► straight in front of you anyone who's

00:34:06 ◼   ► used retina display for extended period

00:34:08 ◼   ► of time will be immediately kind of

00:34:12 ◼   ► turned off

00:34:13 ◼   ► I at first by the screen because it's

00:34:15 ◼   ► not retin-a quality and you know to me

00:34:19 ◼   ► that kind of faded over time but then I

00:34:20 ◼   ► switch back to you know I've got the

00:34:22 ◼   ► retina mac and of course the retina

00:34:24 ◼   ► iphone and the retina iPad and so it's

00:34:27 ◼   ► just it's pretty jarring but you know

00:34:30 ◼   ► the larger point is that most people

00:34:32 ◼   ► still don't have iPads and there's

00:34:34 ◼   ► plenty of people still with with non

00:34:37 ◼   ► retina displays on their various devices

00:34:39 ◼   ► who won't who you know it

00:34:41 ◼   ► this is still a great display it's just

00:34:43 ◼   ► not a Retina display no I you know I'd

00:34:46 ◼   ► really that was my first I was just

00:34:48 ◼   ► really disappointed after a week I got

00:34:50 ◼   ► used to it especially because I stopped

00:34:51 ◼   ► using the other ipad i wanted to you

00:34:53 ◼   ► know most people normal people are going

00:34:55 ◼   ► to more than one ipad that they use so i

00:34:57 ◼   ► just use the mini for a week and I got

00:34:59 ◼   ► used to it but i also am clearly i am

00:35:02 ◼   ► very self aware that I am far more

00:35:04 ◼   ► obsessed with screen resolution

00:35:07 ◼   ► resolution than most people and also

00:35:10 ◼   ► specifically with the rendering of type

00:35:13 ◼   ► on screen yeah you know I mean I know

00:35:16 ◼   ► how to recognize Ariel from the

00:35:17 ◼   ► helvetica

00:35:18 ◼   ► normal people don't know where normal

00:35:19 ◼   ► people just don't see that big a

00:35:21 ◼   ► difference between redneck

00:35:22 ◼   ► non retina and i really do think i am

00:35:25 ◼   ► convinced absolutely

00:35:27 ◼   ► well I'll say 99.8 percent convinced

00:35:31 ◼   ► that the ipad 2 has continued to sell

00:35:35 ◼   ► very very well maybe even surprisingly

00:35:38 ◼   ► well at 399 alongside the retina iPad

00:35:42 ◼   ► threes that people are going into apple

00:35:44 ◼   ► stores for the last seven months seeing

00:35:46 ◼   ► the ipad 2 right next to the retina iPad

00:35:50 ◼   ► threes and saying WOW 399 I'll take this

00:35:53 ◼   ► one

00:35:53 ◼   ► yeah and I tried to get some sort of

00:35:55 ◼   ► answer out of Apple about that they they

00:35:57 ◼   ► won't give you anything specific but it

00:36:00 ◼   ► seems like certainly education comes

00:36:02 ◼   ► into play there are you know they're

00:36:04 ◼   ► they're selling the cheaper versions and

00:36:05 ◼   ► they I think they sell them at a

00:36:06 ◼   ► discount right if they if they sell them

00:36:08 ◼   ► in bulk and so education is a part of

00:36:12 ◼   ► that but yeah there's no question that

00:36:14 ◼   ► they're selling the ipad 2 for a reason

00:36:17 ◼   ► even though they discontinued the

00:36:18 ◼   ► third-generation ipad right like rather

00:36:20 ◼   ► than doing fourth-generation move the

00:36:22 ◼   ► ipad 3 down to the 399 price they just

00:36:25 ◼   ► killed that off and now they're just

00:36:26 ◼   ► doing the ipad 2 and so that says all

00:36:29 ◼   ► you need to know right there that

00:36:30 ◼   ► obviously it had to have been selling

00:36:32 ◼   ► well and so its existence proof that

00:36:35 ◼   ► right now today you do not need a Retina

00:36:37 ◼   ► display and an ipad to sell well yeah

00:36:40 ◼   ► it's you know it would be nice and

00:36:42 ◼   ► surely eventually whether it's a year

00:36:44 ◼   ► from now or 18 months from now or two

00:36:46 ◼   ► years from now there's going to be an

00:36:48 ◼   ► ipad mini with retina display it just is

00:36:50 ◼   ► not right

00:36:50 ◼   ► right as rain you know I'm sure it's you

00:36:52 ◼   ► know night follows day but and that's

00:36:55 ◼   ► going to be great and I'm going to love

00:36:56 ◼   ► it and I'm going to be so happy but in

00:36:58 ◼   ► the meantime there's absolutely no

00:37:00 ◼   ► reason that this isn't going to continue

00:37:01 ◼   ► to sell really well and I think the ipad

00:37:04 ◼   ► to you know whether Apple did

00:37:05 ◼   ► intentionally or not it's it made the

00:37:09 ◼   ► timing of this ipad mini pretty perfect

00:37:12 ◼   ► because had there been nothing but a

00:37:15 ◼   ► Retina Display ipad out there first so

00:37:18 ◼   ► the four and three the downgrade would

00:37:21 ◼   ► have been much more dramatic but the

00:37:22 ◼   ► fact that they are still selling the two

00:37:24 ◼   ► you know they don't have to come in with

00:37:26 ◼   ► a product that's the that's really

00:37:28 ◼   ► downgrade in anyway it's just it's a

00:37:30 ◼   ► better ipad2 right it's not a it's not a

00:37:32 ◼   ► downgraded ipad forward now

00:37:35 ◼   ► no it's a great product alright let me

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00:41:18 ◼   ► fascinating that that you that they

00:41:21 ◼   ► invited you

00:41:21 ◼   ► I've heard specifically now from a few

00:41:23 ◼   ► different people that they do not want

00:41:26 ◼   ► me to have a surface

00:41:28 ◼   ► um and I've heard that from internally

00:41:30 ◼   ► within the company like their advocate

00:41:32 ◼   ► you have friends there and stuff we're

00:41:33 ◼   ► trying to see if I could do it just you

00:41:35 ◼   ► know either door viewer just play around

00:41:37 ◼   ► with it whatever and they do not want me

00:41:40 ◼   ► to have one and I don't know if that

00:41:42 ◼   ► speaks to the fact that obviously they

00:41:44 ◼   ► think i'm going to be biased in some way

00:41:46 ◼   ► shape or form but I mean they should

00:41:50 ◼   ► understand that if i take a shit on it

00:41:53 ◼   ► and then it ends up being a good device

00:41:54 ◼   ► I look like an ass

00:41:55 ◼   ► exactly thats really everybody doesn't

00:41:57 ◼   ► seem too

00:41:58 ◼   ► get right and it's I have to be honest

00:42:00 ◼   ► about it so I don't know what they're

00:42:02 ◼   ► afraid of or whatever it is and I've had

00:42:06 ◼   ► a fine relationship with Microsoft in

00:42:07 ◼   ► the past they just seemed to not want me

00:42:10 ◼   ► to have this device I just saw the same

00:42:13 ◼   ► thing with harry mccracken review of the

00:42:15 ◼   ► ipad mini 4 time and somebody in the

00:42:17 ◼   ► comments or on Twitter was like wow what

00:42:19 ◼   ► a surprise another positive review of an

00:42:21 ◼   ► apple device and time five in a row and

00:42:24 ◼   ► and McRae's responses will look at those

00:42:27 ◼   ► five devices are in hindsight are they

00:42:29 ◼   ► good devices i think i'm actually think

00:42:31 ◼   ► that you know I've done a good job i've

00:42:33 ◼   ► called it is you know accurately these

00:42:35 ◼   ► have been great device it's so

00:42:36 ◼   ► ridiculous right and into Google's

00:42:39 ◼   ► credit they're great at this like they

00:42:40 ◼   ► know that I'm not the biggest android

00:42:42 ◼   ► fan in the world but they still sent me

00:42:44 ◼   ► all these units to try it try out see

00:42:46 ◼   ► what I think about it and you know they

00:42:49 ◼   ► seem to appreciate at least my take on

00:42:51 ◼   ► it whether or not they agree with it

00:42:53 ◼   ► home and your your nexus 7 review was

00:42:55 ◼   ► actually very very positive and unite

00:42:57 ◼   ► active is going to be right right yeah

00:43:00 ◼   ► so I don't know

00:43:02 ◼   ► yeah so it's good to hear that Microsoft

00:43:03 ◼   ► invited you to the event that they're

00:43:05 ◼   ► not blackballing all of us if they are

00:43:06 ◼   ► black by me i don't know i I've heard

00:43:08 ◼   ► this a couple times now to believe it to

00:43:10 ◼   ► be true but on this edition they should

00:43:12 ◼   ► reread what you write and well like when

00:43:14 ◼   ► I say if they think I'm fair they should

00:43:16 ◼   ► i think they should have a similar

00:43:17 ◼   ► opinion of you honestly

00:43:19 ◼   ► well anyway it sounds it easily I don't

00:43:21 ◼   ► know he's a fan of daring fireball but

00:43:22 ◼   ► at least that sandusky read it and and

00:43:24 ◼   ► respects it yeah uh it was so i want to

00:43:28 ◼   ► write about it but like that and i'm

00:43:30 ◼   ► kinda it's kinda off the clay but it's

00:43:32 ◼   ► just been such a busy week that I

00:43:34 ◼   ► haven't gotten around to it yet but just

00:43:35 ◼   ► off the cuff that the gist of it was so

00:43:37 ◼   ► interesting to me because it was except

00:43:40 ◼   ► everyone just think about it from a PR

00:43:42 ◼   ► standpoint of a product marketing

00:43:43 ◼   ► standpoint what a tough position

00:43:45 ◼   ► neighbor in where they wanted to in vail

00:43:47 ◼   ► two things they wanted to unveil the new

00:43:49 ◼   ► operating system which is for all these

00:43:51 ◼   ► ecosystem partners and they want to do

00:43:53 ◼   ► unveiled their own surface device which

00:43:57 ◼   ► competes with those partners like how do

00:43:59 ◼   ► you do that and one of that right and so

00:44:02 ◼   ► with the weight without having to events

00:44:04 ◼   ► the same day that's that's what I found

00:44:07 ◼   ► so interesting

00:44:08 ◼   ► the morning was like a reverse apple

00:44:11 ◼   ► event ten o'clock the doors open you

00:44:13 ◼   ► come in and you do your registration and

00:44:16 ◼   ► the first thing you have is a big hands

00:44:18 ◼   ► on area with all of these devices from

00:44:21 ◼   ► acer and asus and samsung and HP and

00:44:25 ◼   ► dell think paso you you try them out

00:44:30 ◼   ► before they talk about the first thing

00:44:31 ◼   ► you do is come in and add you know is a

00:44:33 ◼   ► nice to not bigger in a coffee and juice

00:44:36 ◼   ► and stuff like that but all these hands

00:44:37 ◼   ► on things and and you know just anything

00:44:40 ◼   ► that was ready on day one was there and

00:44:42 ◼   ► very few desktops there was like one or

00:44:44 ◼   ► two

00:44:45 ◼   ► I'm a Kish ask all-in-one desktops but

00:44:48 ◼   ► almost entirely tablets and convertible

00:44:55 ◼   ► tablets you know any any way that you

00:44:56 ◼   ► can imagine that there's a way to secure

00:44:59 ◼   ► a touchscreen tablet to a keyboard dock

00:45:02 ◼   ► type thing

00:45:04 ◼   ► there's one that was there i mean

00:45:06 ◼   ► everyone I can't even I was saying I was

00:45:08 ◼   ► walking around with Clinton Morris from

00:45:09 ◼   ► Fox and we were seriously trying to

00:45:11 ◼   ► think of what else could there even

00:45:12 ◼   ► conceivably be you know one's that snap

00:45:14 ◼   ► together there were ones that had is so

00:45:17 ◼   ► awkward to me there's like a frame like

00:45:20 ◼   ► think of a window frame and it connects

00:45:23 ◼   ► in the middle so use pivot it it like

00:45:26 ◼   ► spins around so you can close it back up

00:45:29 ◼   ► with the keyboard and the keyboard is

00:45:31 ◼   ► there underneath it but the screen is

00:45:33 ◼   ► now facing up

00:45:34 ◼   ► you don't understand i mean like imagine

00:45:36 ◼   ► the last hour of yeah I don't think that

00:45:39 ◼   ► one's I forget who made that 1i i want i

00:45:40 ◼   ► think is DOA I mean it's really weird

00:45:43 ◼   ► but anyway

00:45:45 ◼   ► first you have the hands-on then about

00:45:47 ◼   ► an hour in they had the big keynote and

00:45:50 ◼   ► you know and it was kind of again

00:45:52 ◼   ► opposite of Apple where they had nothing

00:45:53 ◼   ► new to announce because that's just the

00:45:56 ◼   ► net and that's not a fault that's just

00:45:58 ◼   ► the nature of being a provider of us

00:46:02 ◼   ► os/2 these partners they had to have

00:46:04 ◼   ► announced everything in advance

00:46:05 ◼   ► otherwise there'd be no one who did it

00:46:07 ◼   ► wouldn't be any hardware available so

00:46:08 ◼   ► they just it was just a way of

00:46:09 ◼   ► reiterating what Windows 8 is all about

00:46:11 ◼   ► and they talked about what it does and

00:46:15 ◼   ► then they started talking about here is

00:46:17 ◼   ► some of the great devices that are here

00:46:19 ◼   ► today and

00:46:19 ◼   ► you know one by one you know started

00:46:21 ◼   ► showing them and showing what's

00:46:22 ◼   ► interesting about this one about that

00:46:24 ◼   ► one and then at the very end they did

00:46:26 ◼   ► they see you know they got two and now

00:46:28 ◼   ► you know finally you know for the first

00:46:30 ◼   ► time we have windows running on arm

00:46:32 ◼   ► systems and here's to great ones and it

00:46:34 ◼   ► was one from asus and one from microsoft

00:46:37 ◼   ► microsoft surface so they didn't even in

00:46:40 ◼   ► that first event didn't even hold the

00:46:41 ◼   ► surface up unlike a slide on screen or

00:46:44 ◼   ► on stage by itself once they did it

00:46:47 ◼   ► alongside that thing from Asus shared

00:46:50 ◼   ► the stage an embalmer came out and and

00:46:53 ◼   ► did his thing and and then that was it

00:46:56 ◼   ► and then we broke for lunch so it was

00:46:59 ◼   ► hands-on first then the keynote then we

00:47:02 ◼   ► broke for lunch and after lunch

00:47:04 ◼   ► it was like a Stoli separate event it

00:47:07 ◼   ► was the same press invitations it wasn't

00:47:08 ◼   ► yet you know i had to have a separate

00:47:10 ◼   ► invitation but they had a second keynote

00:47:11 ◼   ► that was first and i even did it in a

00:47:15 ◼   ► different room that had this whole big

00:47:17 ◼   ► Pere in New York and they even did the

00:47:19 ◼   ► keynote in a different room that was a

00:47:20 ◼   ► little bit smaller and this time it was

00:47:22 ◼   ► mostly Sinofsky and it was all about

00:47:24 ◼   ► surface so that's that almost it sounds

00:47:28 ◼   ► like okay we're putting the kids to bed

00:47:29 ◼   ► and now the parents are going to talk

00:47:31 ◼   ► yeah that's yeah totally exactly yeah we

00:47:34 ◼   ► put the kids event now it's now it's

00:47:36 ◼   ► serious and then we got out of that

00:47:37 ◼   ► keynote then they'd opened up a separate

00:47:39 ◼   ► different hands-on area that had nothing

00:47:41 ◼   ► but surfaces and plenty of them and as

00:47:45 ◼   ► many I mean like they were they had I

00:47:48 ◼   ► think if anything they had more keyboard

00:47:50 ◼   ► covers than surfaces because I guess

00:47:51 ◼   ► they wanted you to be able to try both

00:47:54 ◼   ► uh-huh so they did not i do not have one

00:47:57 ◼   ► they did not get one as I can review

00:47:59 ◼   ► unit but i had spent at least I don't

00:48:01 ◼   ► know in our plan with it so initial

00:48:04 ◼   ► thoughts without spoiling a any anything

00:48:06 ◼   ► going to write about it what would you

00:48:08 ◼   ► actually think of it it's it is not

00:48:15 ◼   ► designed for me sorry really tried to

00:48:17 ◼   ► see I'm trying to keep an open mind

00:48:19 ◼   ► about it though but I you know it's not

00:48:21 ◼   ► bad and and it's good in some of the

00:48:23 ◼   ► ways that Microsoft has always been good

00:48:25 ◼   ► where it's a lot of it does feel very

00:48:28 ◼   ► snappy and that the touch seems really

00:48:31 ◼   ► good

00:48:32 ◼   ► in a way that you know a lot of android

00:48:34 ◼   ► stuff hasn't you know and in terms of

00:48:35 ◼   ► tracking your finger and scrolling

00:48:37 ◼   ► smoothly him but the exactly when in you

00:48:42 ◼   ► know and this is what I thought and and

00:48:43 ◼   ► you know is it my prejudice which would

00:48:47 ◼   ► presupposition you know my bias before I

00:48:50 ◼   ► came in my bias from the last eight

00:48:52 ◼   ► months ever since they announced it is

00:48:54 ◼   ► it just me reinforcing it or is it

00:48:56 ◼   ► really the truth but it really felt like

00:48:58 ◼   ► it as i used it which is this that the

00:49:00 ◼   ► desktop the whole idea of having the

00:49:02 ◼   ► desktop mode there it just sticks out

00:49:04 ◼   ► like a sore thumb and I know that

00:49:07 ◼   ► they're not letting anybody add you

00:49:09 ◼   ► can't have third-party desktop apps

00:49:12 ◼   ► right it's only the ones that are built

00:49:15 ◼   ► in which is explorer ie which to me is

00:49:20 ◼   ► really crazy that there's IE in metro

00:49:23 ◼   ► and I that area and the office suite

00:49:27 ◼   ► then introduced it none of that really

00:49:29 ◼   ► seemed to perform well and it's not even

00:49:31 ◼   ► just about like that the touch targets

00:49:33 ◼   ► are small in office they actually you

00:49:36 ◼   ► know like they've said they've done a

00:49:38 ◼   ► pretty good job you know and i would

00:49:40 ◼   ► have to say that a lot of the touch

00:49:42 ◼   ► targets in office on the surface are at

00:49:45 ◼   ► least as big as the touch targets in for

00:49:48 ◼   ► example I photo for the ipad and iphone

00:49:52 ◼   ► yet which has a lot of little finicky

00:49:54 ◼   ► controls along the bottom but it really

00:49:57 ◼   ► kind of felt like me though it just felt

00:49:59 ◼   ► like when you're in that desktop mode it

00:50:00 ◼   ► kind of felt like when you're at a kiosk

00:50:02 ◼   ► in a museum and they know that they're

00:50:04 ◼   ► just running some piece of craft ice

00:50:06 ◼   ► cream thing you ever see that like I

00:50:08 ◼   ► know there's some airlines a couple of

00:50:09 ◼   ► the airline's like when you check in

00:50:11 ◼   ► with their touch screen like when you do

00:50:12 ◼   ► things you actually see the white

00:50:14 ◼   ► windows arrow cursor appear right right

00:50:17 ◼   ► yep

00:50:17 ◼   ► russ played second before it uh it

00:50:19 ◼   ► actually clicks through yep it you don't

00:50:21 ◼   ► see that when you're using the

00:50:22 ◼   ► touchscreen on the surface but it all it

00:50:24 ◼   ► does kind of feel like that in the

00:50:26 ◼   ► desktop not when you're using the native

00:50:28 ◼   ► Metro apps but it just so walk

00:50:30 ◼   ► why do you think they did because like

00:50:32 ◼   ► this is the most confounding thing to me

00:50:35 ◼   ► like I think i have my own thoughts on

00:50:38 ◼   ► the surface without having played with

00:50:40 ◼   ► that i think it's it's it's strange how

00:50:43 ◼   ► much of the emphasis they're putting on

00:50:44 ◼   ► the keyboard of it's just

00:50:46 ◼   ► you know it's the same thing as a laptop

00:50:47 ◼   ► essentially but i think that the real

00:50:51 ◼   ► problem that Microsoft will have is this

00:50:54 ◼   ► this weird dichotomy between the don't

00:50:57 ◼   ► call it metro metro interface and the

00:50:59 ◼   ► old-school interface and I don't know

00:51:01 ◼   ► why

00:51:02 ◼   ► well i dunno why there's no compromise

00:51:04 ◼   ► right and quote unquote no compromise as

00:51:06 ◼   ► to why they they merge the two together

00:51:08 ◼   ► but how do people not understand because

00:51:11 ◼   ► every review that I've read about it now

00:51:13 ◼   ► is saying the same thing that you're

00:51:14 ◼   ► saying like just the there's two big of

00:51:17 ◼   ► a leap between the two of them so how in

00:51:19 ◼   ► the years leading up to this development

00:51:21 ◼   ► of this and just in the months leading

00:51:23 ◼   ► up to the release of it

00:51:24 ◼   ► how do people inside Microsoft who are

00:51:26 ◼   ► playing with this thing day in and day

00:51:27 ◼   ► out realize that they just shouldn't

00:51:29 ◼   ► release that part of it just like either

00:51:32 ◼   ► bring it on later postponed do something

00:51:35 ◼   ► but like if it's just not up to par why

00:51:38 ◼   ► are they doing that is it is it because

00:51:40 ◼   ► they couldn't get office nailed for

00:51:43 ◼   ► surface for Windows RT in particular I

00:51:46 ◼   ► mean is that it really don't know i

00:51:48 ◼   ► guess so i guess that's the idea i'm the

00:51:50 ◼   ► only thing I can think of is that they

00:51:52 ◼   ► didn't have time to do a true pure metro

00:51:56 ◼   ► i'm just going to keep calling metro

00:51:57 ◼   ► because it's such a convenient during a

00:52:00 ◼   ► Purim metro office thing that's

00:52:02 ◼   ► compatible which is that that

00:52:05 ◼   ► compatibility across you know if

00:52:06 ◼   ► everybody's on the same version of

00:52:08 ◼   ► office than these files will just work

00:52:10 ◼   ► that they couldn't do that and that this

00:52:12 ◼   ► was what they had to do and they didn't

00:52:14 ◼   ► think they could sell a product without

00:52:16 ◼   ► office you know whether it's really

00:52:18 ◼   ► based on actual market research and

00:52:20 ◼   ► people wouldn't buy it or it's just

00:52:21 ◼   ► their internal bias that you know

00:52:24 ◼   ► windows and office forever

00:52:25 ◼   ► I don't know but I do feel like I feel

00:52:29 ◼   ► like as long as you've started with this

00:52:31 ◼   ► at this starting point of we're going to

00:52:34 ◼   ► do two surfaces and Intel one and an arm

00:52:37 ◼   ► one and let's just concede for the sake

00:52:39 ◼   ► of argument right now that that's a good

00:52:41 ◼   ► idea

00:52:42 ◼   ► I don't know everyone will see how it

00:52:43 ◼   ► plans out but let if you start with that

00:52:45 ◼   ► idea though

00:52:46 ◼   ► then why not take the liberty of saying

00:52:50 ◼   ► with the arm one were only going to do

00:52:52 ◼   ► metro even if it doesn't have office to

00:52:54 ◼   ► start because if all right hey we hear

00:52:57 ◼   ► you if office is your thing

00:52:58 ◼   ► bye

00:52:59 ◼   ► this one the pro one yes exactly that's

00:53:02 ◼   ► exactly right and that's so obvious and

00:53:03 ◼   ► how why did they not do that I just it's

00:53:07 ◼   ► very perplexing I don't rightly don't

00:53:09 ◼   ► understand we hear you we know you love

00:53:11 ◼   ► office we are we have all sorts of ideas

00:53:13 ◼   ► for the future of office and we could

00:53:15 ◼   ► not be working harder on it we have

00:53:17 ◼   ► great stuff coming next year and the

00:53:18 ◼   ► year after forearm but right now if if

00:53:21 ◼   ► if office is a deal-breaker for you and

00:53:24 ◼   ► we hear you we know that's why you

00:53:26 ◼   ► didn't buy other competing tablets but

00:53:28 ◼   ► here's the one you want this one and

00:53:29 ◼   ► it's an intel-based system you know and

00:53:32 ◼   ► it'll run officers you know i I just I

00:53:35 ◼   ► don't know it does stick out a little

00:53:37 ◼   ► bit

00:53:38 ◼   ► the other thing i noticed was that the

00:53:40 ◼   ► browser and then again this is something

00:53:43 ◼   ► i had this was my my guests coming in

00:53:46 ◼   ► and it's backed up by using him i used a

00:53:50 ◼   ► lot of the browser and the hands-on area

00:53:52 ◼   ► is it's just it like WebKit has passed

00:53:56 ◼   ► IE it is you know if what are they even

00:54:00 ◼   ► using what are what do they use this

00:54:02 ◼   ► like it's some sort of you know that

00:54:04 ◼   ► they've done with the IE rendering

00:54:06 ◼   ► engine what Apple's done with WebKit is

00:54:08 ◼   ► make a mobile touch version of it and

00:54:11 ◼   ► it's not bad it is

00:54:13 ◼   ► you know you know you can click and

00:54:15 ◼   ► scroll but it's it's just not WebKit it

00:54:20 ◼   ► reminds me of being a Mac user back in

00:54:24 ◼   ► like 1999 2000 2001 when you know there

00:54:28 ◼   ► are all sorts of reasons why stuck with

00:54:29 ◼   ► the mac and i still thought the max

00:54:30 ◼   ► brother better in many ways but web

00:54:33 ◼   ► browsing clearly was not one that you

00:54:35 ◼   ► were at second class citizen on the web

00:54:37 ◼   ► even will wherever your favorite MAC web

00:54:39 ◼   ► browser was you were not getting the

00:54:42 ◼   ► fastest the highest fidelity rendering

00:54:44 ◼   ► and that's what it feels like on surface

00:54:46 ◼   ► like the big 12 me was I wanted to open

00:54:52 ◼   ► something in a new tab so I saw a link

00:54:54 ◼   ► to open an attachment that well what how

00:54:56 ◼   ► do i do that and what's got to be tap

00:54:58 ◼   ► and hold so I tapped him held and then

00:55:00 ◼   ► nothing happened and I thought I don't

00:55:02 ◼   ► know what to do and we just couldn't fit

00:55:05 ◼   ► me in clayton moore so we just couldn't

00:55:06 ◼   ► figure it out and then we asked a guy he

00:55:08 ◼   ► said you just tap and hold we just

00:55:10 ◼   ► weren't holding long

00:55:11 ◼   ► enough and it just was like the amount

00:55:13 ◼   ► of time you have to hold seems too long

00:55:16 ◼   ► and there's a weird i don't know it's

00:55:18 ◼   ► almost like a mode switch I don't know

00:55:20 ◼   ► it's just the feel of it is off it just

00:55:22 ◼   ► like you have to hold your finger there

00:55:23 ◼   ► way too long to get that context menu up

00:55:26 ◼   ► and then once you do it you can open a

00:55:28 ◼   ► new tab and what about a third party

00:55:31 ◼   ► apps were there any on on the one you

00:55:33 ◼   ► played with i'm trying to think I try to

00:55:38 ◼   ► think what counts as third-party they

00:55:40 ◼   ► had the new skype but that's not third

00:55:42 ◼   ► party because that's micros right now

00:55:44 ◼   ► oh yeah they did have some third-party

00:55:45 ◼   ► stuff they had like some media stuff

00:55:47 ◼   ► they had like a new york times app I

00:55:51 ◼   ► yeah they had to contend and I think it

00:55:53 ◼   ► was a lot of media stuff too and this

00:55:54 ◼   ► weird stuff to where they're just not as

00:55:56 ◼   ► polished example so they had pre-loaded

00:55:58 ◼   ► on it was the kindle app yeah they did a

00:56:00 ◼   ► third party apps they had the kindle app

00:56:01 ◼   ► pre-loaded but no books I that's kind of

00:56:07 ◼   ► funny

00:56:08 ◼   ► yeah but you know and that meant that we

00:56:10 ◼   ► can I mean I'm not gonna put my right

00:56:12 ◼   ► I'm not gonna log in with my amazon

00:56:13 ◼   ► credentials on the demo unit on area

00:56:16 ◼   ► right only get a certain number of

00:56:18 ◼   ► devices ya and I'm not gonna lock one up

00:56:20 ◼   ► on this but it just seems like a weird

00:56:21 ◼   ► thing like this funny now and I got sure

00:56:24 ◼   ► the i'm sure the menus on that can

00:56:26 ◼   ► deliver great though they were you could

00:56:28 ◼   ► just you could just tell how much work

00:56:30 ◼   ► was put into those those a those menus

00:56:32 ◼   ► no you couldn't see an actual book and

00:56:34 ◼   ► you know the new york times app looked

00:56:38 ◼   ► good it didn't look it wasn't quite as

00:56:40 ◼   ► good as the the ipad one and it didn't

00:56:44 ◼   ► have custom fonts like the ipad 1 which

00:56:47 ◼   ► really brands that ipad new york times

00:56:50 ◼   ► app is very new york times e because it

00:56:52 ◼   ► shares the same font as the print

00:56:53 ◼   ► edition Ron but it was it was nicer than

00:56:57 ◼   ► reading the near it was you know just

00:56:59 ◼   ► like with the you know what apps should

00:57:01 ◼   ► be it was nicer than reading the New

00:57:03 ◼   ► York Times in a web browser so what did

00:57:06 ◼   ► you think of the keyboards that I I i

00:57:11 ◼   ► just cannot i can't judge the touch one

00:57:14 ◼   ► because it's is I'm just going to say

00:57:15 ◼   ► that i didn't spend enough time but in

00:57:17 ◼   ► the time that i did spend on it my

00:57:18 ◼   ► typing was horrendous

00:57:19 ◼   ► i typed way worse i typed fine on the

00:57:22 ◼   ► on-screen keep so i tried three

00:57:24 ◼   ► keyboards

00:57:25 ◼   ► by the touch cover keyboard the one

00:57:28 ◼   ► that's like magic capacitive hardware

00:57:30 ◼   ► keyboard I tied the actual classic

00:57:33 ◼   ► clicky keyboard cover and add the

00:57:36 ◼   ► on-screen keyboard the on-screen

00:57:37 ◼   ► keyboard was great i would say it was on

00:57:40 ◼   ► par with ipad you know for on screen

00:57:42 ◼   ► typing and in a way that all of the

00:57:45 ◼   ► muscle memory I have from typing on an

00:57:47 ◼   ► iPad carried right over and it was you

00:57:51 ◼   ► know it was good i think windows phone

00:57:53 ◼   ► has a good on-screen keyboard

00:57:55 ◼   ► yeah and when i've used Windows Phone

00:57:57 ◼   ► it's you know it has been very very

00:57:58 ◼   ► friendly to my iphone i visualized

00:58:02 ◼   ► thumbs so that's good i think that's

00:58:04 ◼   ► when the clicky keyboard really nice i

00:58:07 ◼   ► think i think that you did you know

00:58:09 ◼   ► something like that you could sell for

00:58:10 ◼   ► the ipad would be a huge hit it is seems

00:58:14 ◼   ► like a very nice compromise between

00:58:16 ◼   ► making it thick enough that the keys can

00:58:18 ◼   ► actually move a little and keeping it

00:58:20 ◼   ► thin enough that it's not making your

00:58:22 ◼   ► tablet you know as thick as a notebook

00:58:23 ◼   ► is it uh have you have used the logitech

00:58:27 ◼   ► 14 logic than one for the ipad yes I in

00:58:30 ◼   ► fact i did at I know you're a huge fan

00:58:32 ◼   ► of that I got to use it at singleton and

00:58:34 ◼   ► I'm drawing a blank on who the kind of

00:58:37 ◼   ► is a well who r idea is a regular

00:58:39 ◼   ► listener the talk show and I'm drawing a

00:58:41 ◼   ► blank on your name but thank you for

00:58:42 ◼   ► letting me try it and yeah it's nice its

00:58:44 ◼   ► equivalent to that but it's a slicker

00:58:46 ◼   ► it's a slicker integration with the way

00:58:48 ◼   ► that you know that the microsoft one is

00:58:50 ◼   ► magnetizes and you don't know you go

00:58:52 ◼   ► through bluetooth pairing or anything

00:58:53 ◼   ► like that

00:58:54 ◼   ► ok that it's nice and what about the the

00:58:56 ◼   ► thing at the but like it has the touch

00:58:57 ◼   ► element at the bottom-right the trackpad

00:58:59 ◼   ► stuff

00:59:00 ◼   ► yeah when you have it on you get a mouse

00:59:02 ◼   ► cursor on screen mouse cursor just

00:59:04 ◼   ► appears on screen when it's connected

00:59:05 ◼   ► and and you know you have a trackpad I

00:59:08 ◼   ► thought the one on the the clicky

00:59:10 ◼   ► keyboard cover worked better than the

00:59:11 ◼   ► one on the touch one I thought the touch

00:59:13 ◼   ► when it was I thought I don't know to me

00:59:15 ◼   ► it's a funny demo but it really doesn't

00:59:17 ◼   ► seem like a good product

00:59:19 ◼   ► I just wasn't good for typing for me but

00:59:21 ◼   ► maybe if you're used to it you maybe if

00:59:23 ◼   ► you give it a long time you get used to

00:59:25 ◼   ► it but am i right in thinking that you

00:59:27 ◼   ► still can't rest your hands on the keys

00:59:29 ◼   ► your fingers on the keys with the touch

00:59:31 ◼   ► one itsy

00:59:34 ◼   ► I ran into some problems with that it's

00:59:36 ◼   ► it's definitely not that you can't you

00:59:38 ◼   ► know you can do it and sometimes it just

00:59:41 ◼   ► sometimes it would register touches and

00:59:42 ◼   ► sometimes it wouldn't and I think you're

00:59:45 ◼   ► supposed to be able to rest your fingers

00:59:46 ◼   ► on it but I was definitely running into

00:59:49 ◼   ► problems and I was absolutely missing

00:59:51 ◼   ► like the big problem I was having it's

00:59:52 ◼   ► just missing letters and the other thing

00:59:55 ◼   ► too

00:59:56 ◼   ► here's the big thing for me is that

00:59:56 ◼   ► here's the big thing for me is that

01:00:00 ◼   ► typing on the keyboard one is exactly

01:00:02 ◼   ► what you think you're just typing on it

01:00:03 ◼   ► you know a relatively small but like

01:00:06 ◼   ► ipad style clicky keyboard and i did

01:00:08 ◼   ► just fine

01:00:10 ◼   ► typing on the actual screen just like

01:00:13 ◼   ► with iOS and like Windows Phone it does

01:00:16 ◼   ► a lot of auto correction work as your

01:00:18 ◼   ► type in and it's always trying to make

01:00:21 ◼   ► suggestions and it's using a dictionary

01:00:23 ◼   ► and it's doing a really smart job and

01:00:25 ◼   ► there's an animation when it does when

01:00:27 ◼   ► it in you know sees that i spelled you

01:00:31 ◼   ► know sigler sigl ER it knows that you're

01:00:35 ◼   ► in my contact dictionary and takes a

01:00:37 ◼   ► guess that i wanted i wanted to put an

01:00:39 ◼   ► extra in there to get your name right

01:00:40 ◼   ► and you see a little animation nice nice

01:00:42 ◼   ► the thing that i found was using the

01:00:44 ◼   ► touch keyboard the touch cover keyboard

01:00:47 ◼   ► it treats it like a hardware keyboard

01:00:51 ◼   ► where it's not in that aggressive auto

01:00:53 ◼   ► correct mode and I really needed it to

01:00:55 ◼   ► be like I was you know i would type the

01:00:57 ◼   ► new year

01:00:58 ◼   ► I wouldn't be teenagers I would just get

01:01:00 ◼   ► th and the e wasn't even there

01:01:02 ◼   ► ah that's an interesting point because

01:01:05 ◼   ► that seems like it makes some sense

01:01:08 ◼   ► because the touch keyboard is

01:01:10 ◼   ► essentially a soft keyboard like you

01:01:14 ◼   ► would find on a screen but they've made

01:01:16 ◼   ► it of an actual tangible product and

01:01:20 ◼   ► it's right in between a fit the actual

01:01:22 ◼   ► physical keyboard and the the soft yeah

01:01:25 ◼   ► we're on screen right so you think they

01:01:27 ◼   ► just obviously decided to go with it

01:01:28 ◼   ► being more like the the nice actual

01:01:31 ◼   ► keyboard rather than the on-screen one

01:01:33 ◼   ► but they should have probably done it

01:01:34 ◼   ► more like the on-screen with software

01:01:36 ◼   ► exactly that is a perfect encapsulation

01:01:38 ◼   ► when I was trying to say and maybe they

01:01:40 ◼   ► can fix that and software maybe it you

01:01:41 ◼   ► know they can just sort of switch to

01:01:43 ◼   ► that mode and get into that and there is

01:01:45 ◼   ► a clear advantage to that if they could

01:01:47 ◼   ► get it to work out which is that when

01:01:49 ◼   ► you're using an on-screen keyboard on a

01:01:51 ◼   ► tablet half the screen is covered by the

01:01:53 ◼   ► keyboard whereas you for using the

01:01:55 ◼   ► softcover you know you have the whole

01:01:56 ◼   ► screen available

01:01:57 ◼   ► you got it really needs that I think it

01:02:00 ◼   ► needs to be treated software-wise like a

01:02:01 ◼   ► software keyboard where we're going to

01:02:03 ◼   ► guess that you're going to make a lot of

01:02:04 ◼   ► mistakes and you know even the logitech

01:02:07 ◼   ► one with ios6 now they do the the

01:02:10 ◼   ► autocorrection element in this

01:02:13 ◼   ► 42 even with physical keyboard and its

01:02:15 ◼   ► really nice I mean you know you're not

01:02:16 ◼   ► gonna make it nearly as many typing

01:02:18 ◼   ► mistakes

01:02:18 ◼   ► yeah using the physical keyboard but

01:02:20 ◼   ► they still do the software on aspect

01:02:22 ◼   ► yeah I'm actually not sure why they

01:02:23 ◼   ► don't why they do turn that off for the

01:02:25 ◼   ► keyboard i guess the ideas i don't know

01:02:28 ◼   ► i guess that if you're annoyed you know

01:02:29 ◼   ► if you really are typing something you

01:02:31 ◼   ► want to be precise that autocorrect is

01:02:33 ◼   ► I'm gonna work you know if you're typing

01:02:34 ◼   ► code or something like that

01:02:35 ◼   ► I'm I don't know existed but it didn't

01:02:39 ◼   ► it didn't it i don't know i wouldn't go

01:02:41 ◼   ► after Justin a half an hour if I were

01:02:43 ◼   ► going to buy 1i would get the clicky

01:02:45 ◼   ► keyboard and that's and it's expensive

01:02:49 ◼   ► right it's like a hundred and sometimes

01:02:51 ◼   ► yeah but it's not that much more

01:02:52 ◼   ► expensive than the touch one the touch

01:02:53 ◼   ► one day expensive you know and it just

01:02:56 ◼   ► seems like another case of Microsoft not

01:02:58 ◼   ► making a decision for you but letting

01:03:00 ◼   ► you make the decision to close to

01:03:02 ◼   ► telling you what's best

01:03:03 ◼   ► all right letting you figure out what's

01:03:05 ◼   ► best and Iran date have with the with

01:03:07 ◼   ► the pricing right the cheapest one does

01:03:09 ◼   ► not come with a keyboard at all but then

01:03:10 ◼   ► i have bundles that start coming with

01:03:12 ◼   ► them right right but it's the touch one

01:03:14 ◼   ► I believe

01:03:15 ◼   ► yeah i think so i think they're they

01:03:17 ◼   ► seem to be kind of pushing the touch one

01:03:19 ◼   ► and i kind of i am in my experience

01:03:22 ◼   ► tinkering around with an hour i think

01:03:23 ◼   ► they're going the wrong way on that I

01:03:25 ◼   ► feel like if you want to keyboard and

01:03:26 ◼   ► you're going to buy an expensive cover

01:03:29 ◼   ► that you know relatively expensive cover

01:03:30 ◼   ► that combines the cover with the

01:03:33 ◼   ► keyboard

01:03:34 ◼   ► I don't know I feel like if you're that

01:03:36 ◼   ► into typing you want that clicky

01:03:37 ◼   ► one-armed I never let her definitely

01:03:41 ◼   ► makes a better first impression because

01:03:43 ◼   ► anybody goes into one of these microsoft

01:03:44 ◼   ► stores to buy one is not if you're going

01:03:46 ◼   ► to spend last time with it than I did

01:03:47 ◼   ► and it is you know if I didn't do that

01:03:50 ◼   ► well on the touch cover typing I don't

01:03:53 ◼   ► see how a typical consumer would compare

01:03:55 ◼   ► to the clicky 1i have heard good things

01:03:58 ◼   ► about the kickstand itself and how much

01:04:02 ◼   ► you played with that yeah it's just it

01:04:04 ◼   ► seems good it's there the old one and

01:04:05 ◼   ► only hit and I and it was funny because

01:04:07 ◼   ► I thought it and I just other people

01:04:10 ◼   ► coming out it just seemed like everybody

01:04:11 ◼   ► was saying the same thing was that and

01:04:14 ◼   ► it seems like one of those things that

01:04:15 ◼   ► the strikes through the first five

01:04:16 ◼   ► minutes to use it and maybe once you

01:04:18 ◼   ► know then you get used to it it's not a

01:04:19 ◼   ► problem but there's only a little little

01:04:21 ◼   ► tick mark for your like fingernail to go

01:04:24 ◼   ► into separate it it's only on the one

01:04:26 ◼   ► side

01:04:26 ◼   ► it ok so if you go to the 1i think it's

01:04:29 ◼   ► you know if you're facing the screen

01:04:30 ◼   ► it's on the right i think behind it and

01:04:33 ◼   ► it's really easy just kind of stick your

01:04:34 ◼   ► thumb nail in there and give it a little

01:04:36 ◼   ► little flick and it just pops right out

01:04:37 ◼   ► and if you go to the other side it's

01:04:39 ◼   ► like you can't get it open but I think

01:04:41 ◼   ► once you realize that you go to this

01:04:43 ◼   ► side to do it would and you know it is

01:04:45 ◼   ► it absolutely does feel very

01:04:47 ◼   ► well-crafted and it feels like something

01:04:49 ◼   ► that is built to last that if he buy one

01:04:51 ◼   ► and use it all the time eight months

01:04:53 ◼   ► from now the kickstand is still gonna

01:04:54 ◼   ► click open and click shut and stay shut

01:04:57 ◼   ► its yeah it does seem that you know

01:04:58 ◼   ► seems good

01:04:59 ◼   ► what about the hardware itself that i've

01:05:02 ◼   ► heard mixed reviews of people who played

01:05:04 ◼   ► with that of this like they say the the

01:05:06 ◼   ► quality of the build is nice but it's

01:05:08 ◼   ► too bulky is that is that fair do you

01:05:10 ◼   ► think it's hard to say because I was

01:05:13 ◼   ► already three days into using my ipad

01:05:15 ◼   ► mini trip right what did feel exact

01:05:18 ◼   ► opposite of writing felt a little heavy

01:05:20 ◼   ► but it felt roughly ipad shaped I i

01:05:24 ◼   ► guess the other thing that really struck

01:05:25 ◼   ► me i had built quality was good and you

01:05:27 ◼   ► know Intendant maybe not quite well i

01:05:31 ◼   ► would say definitely not quite Apple

01:05:32 ◼   ► quality it doesn't seem like that

01:05:35 ◼   ► magnesium whatever they call it it does

01:05:38 ◼   ► take that actually i think it's called

01:05:39 ◼   ► yeah they ripped you off edge I

01:05:41 ◼   ► definitely send you one they ripped off

01:05:43 ◼   ► in here i'm marco wrote this when his

01:05:46 ◼   ► store impressions is it feels like super

01:05:48 ◼   ► nice plastic it is technically a metal

01:05:51 ◼   ► but it feels like really good plastic

01:05:52 ◼   ► and that's not even necessarily bad i

01:05:54 ◼   ► love the polycarbonate plastic whatever

01:05:58 ◼   ► they call it that Nokia is using on the

01:05:59 ◼   ► Lumias it's really really high quality

01:06:01 ◼   ► stuff i wouldn't be surprised if someday

01:06:03 ◼   ► Apple you know put out a thing that uses

01:06:06 ◼   ► something that is technically a plastic

01:06:08 ◼   ► and plastic doesn't necessarily mean

01:06:09 ◼   ► junkie right but it's you know it's just

01:06:13 ◼   ► not maybe not quite as nice

01:06:16 ◼   ► Marco also had the comment and i agree

01:06:18 ◼   ► with that were by putting all these

01:06:19 ◼   ► extra ports on it it it jumps up the

01:06:23 ◼   ► feel of it it makes it right it has a

01:06:25 ◼   ► u.s. USB poor SD cards if yeah I think

01:06:28 ◼   ► it does

01:06:29 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah you know Apple obviously

01:06:32 ◼   ► they actually made a point with this

01:06:34 ◼   ► with this this latest revision to the to

01:06:36 ◼   ► the regular ipad right that they now

01:06:38 ◼   ► have even more peripherals to be able to

01:06:40 ◼   ► they actually gave me a few of them to

01:06:43 ◼   ► debt to test out like an SD card reader

01:06:46 ◼   ► the Lightning to SD card reader

01:06:47 ◼   ► lightning to USB you know that's that's

01:06:50 ◼   ► a little bit of the of annoyance if

01:06:52 ◼   ► you're going to use I guess an SD card

01:06:55 ◼   ► reader USB all the time but how often

01:06:57 ◼   ► are you

01:06:57 ◼   ► I mean I never use any of that stuff

01:06:59 ◼   ► with the ipad so I don't know it just

01:07:03 ◼   ► seems like a little but it's you know

01:07:04 ◼   ► that's what maybe that's what appeals to

01:07:06 ◼   ► the people who don't want to buy an ipad

01:07:08 ◼   ► those they want to ensure even if they

01:07:10 ◼   ► aren't going to end up using it they

01:07:11 ◼   ► wanted their other thing that really

01:07:13 ◼   ► struck me is it always strikes me when I

01:07:16 ◼   ► use a 69 tablet is that it seems like it

01:07:20 ◼   ► only ever wants to be used in landscape

01:07:23 ◼   ► holding it in portrait just seems so

01:07:25 ◼   ► yeah it looks weird it looks with from

01:07:29 ◼   ► the the pictures I've seen it looks like

01:07:31 ◼   ► it's it's like almost top-heavy that

01:07:34 ◼   ► you're going you know you need to you're

01:07:35 ◼   ► like it getting ready to ride on a

01:07:37 ◼   ► surfboard and it just looks like a

01:07:39 ◼   ► really weird format to read something

01:07:40 ◼   ► like a magazine or a book where I always

01:07:43 ◼   ► hold it on my iPad hold it in portrait

01:07:45 ◼   ► and it just seems like you're so off

01:07:46 ◼   ► from the proportions of a regular piece

01:07:48 ◼   ► of paper or book that it just seems way

01:07:51 ◼   ► too skinny and you know look at the way

01:07:54 ◼   ► you know that's got this built-in

01:07:55 ◼   ► kickstand that only works in one right

01:07:58 ◼   ► right

01:07:59 ◼   ► it just seems like it wants to be held

01:08:01 ◼   ► that way as opposed to the ipad sort of

01:08:04 ◼   ► i don't even care if you hold it upside

01:08:05 ◼   ► down sort of at ambivalence towards how

01:08:09 ◼   ► you hold it

01:08:10 ◼   ► that was the other thing that's that

01:08:12 ◼   ► struck me about the surface

01:08:14 ◼   ► I know you got to assume but i do i'm

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01:08:20 ◼   ► talk about forestall stuff but before I

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01:12:04 ◼   ► out and thank them very much I thank

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01:12:08 ◼   ► support the talk show by this app so

01:12:13 ◼   ► forestall and then we'll get we'll get

01:12:15 ◼   ► out here right so this is this is big

01:12:19 ◼   ► bombshell were you surprised i will say

01:12:22 ◼   ► that i was not armed

01:12:25 ◼   ► I was surprised at the timing of it but

01:12:27 ◼   ► I was not surprised overall just

01:12:29 ◼   ► everything that I've heard in the past

01:12:31 ◼   ► year or so has been that things were

01:12:35 ◼   ► eventually going to come to this horse

01:12:38 ◼   ► or the other way right that there needed

01:12:40 ◼   ► to be some kind of resolution of sort of

01:12:43 ◼   ► the internal conflicts within the within

01:12:45 ◼   ► the company and I don't know if you read

01:12:47 ◼   ► the thing today i think it was i did da

01:12:49 ◼   ► all things D talking about more of the

01:12:52 ◼   ► information of why mansfield went from

01:12:55 ◼   ► retiring to not retiring now i'm back

01:12:57 ◼   ► for two years

01:12:58 ◼   ► No supposedly they are according to

01:13:00 ◼   ► their sources and I haven't heard this

01:13:02 ◼   ► directly but that mansfield had an

01:13:06 ◼   ► actual real beef with forestall as well

01:13:08 ◼   ► and he wasn't going to

01:13:09 ◼   ► se me or him but that the fact that

01:13:11 ◼   ► forestall is now out led to him directly

01:13:14 ◼   ► coming back in full force

01:13:17 ◼   ► huh yeah the way I've put it to people

01:13:20 ◼   ► is I was surprised but not shocked you

01:13:25 ◼   ► know and you know and and somebody on

01:13:28 ◼   ► Twitter and pointed this out and I do

01:13:29 ◼   ► think it's I think it may be really be

01:13:31 ◼   ► very it sounds a little glib but i think

01:13:34 ◼   ► it actually might be kind of insightful

01:13:36 ◼   ► is that this might be the first major

01:13:38 ◼   ► situation with Apple wear this wouldn't

01:13:42 ◼   ► have happened if Steve Jobs was still

01:13:44 ◼   ► around

01:13:45 ◼   ► yeah right i mean they had the same they

01:13:48 ◼   ► had the same design aesthetic taste

01:13:49 ◼   ► right

01:13:50 ◼   ► and obviously this was this guy from

01:13:52 ◼   ► next they've been together for a long

01:13:54 ◼   ► time and yeah that I never didn't get

01:13:59 ◼   ► along with the other executives it was

01:14:01 ◼   ► ok under steve because that's the sort

01:14:04 ◼   ► of thing that Steve had a true genius

01:14:07 ◼   ► for a gift

01:14:09 ◼   ► was I making it just putting it all

01:14:13 ◼   ► together bring you know you're all that

01:14:15 ◼   ► matters is that you guys are all

01:14:16 ◼   ► talented and very very smart and I will

01:14:19 ◼   ► make this work I my personality you know

01:14:22 ◼   ► this is the perfect of students here are

01:14:24 ◼   ► his personality i should say is so

01:14:26 ◼   ► strong was so strong that it could patch

01:14:29 ◼   ► over any personality clashes from the P

01:14:32 ◼   ► anybody under him because his own his

01:14:35 ◼   ► personality was just so dominant and

01:14:37 ◼   ► yeah out that there's there's just you

01:14:41 ◼   ► know and i don't think it's an

01:14:42 ◼   ► indictment of tim cook i think it right