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◼   ► one of the things that made me think

◼   ► brad bird is number 1 i'm a big fan of

◼   ► all of his movies I can't think of a

◼   ► single one that I didn't enjoy but the

◼   ► other thing is that he has a track

◼   ► record of jumping into somebody else's

◼   ► thing and and sticking with it you know

◼   ► he did a Mission Impossible movie that

◼   ► is just a pure Mission Impossible movie

◼   ► i think the best one since the first one

◼   ► that the Palmer yet

◼   ► yeah i agree on a famously he took over

◼   ► ratatouille after somebody else that it

◼   ► wasn't his movie at Pixar somebody else

◼   ► had it and and everybody decided this

◼   ► isn't working out and he took over it at

◼   ► a you know late in the game and did well

◼   ► and that's obviously what somebody's

◼   ► gonna have to do to make a new star wars

◼   ► movie not necessarily that takeover and

◼   ► a half of boarded movie but you're

◼   ► coming into a series right yeah but i

◼   ► mean that that person whoever it is will

◼   ► have a much easier time than it would

◼   ► appear on the surface just because I

◼   ► mean I don't know about the people you

◼   ► know you you chat with on Twitter and

◼   ► stuff and but everyone there was like

◼   ► universal acclaim for the fact that

◼   ► George Lucas will only be a creative

◼   ► consultant on these things I mean I

◼   ► think everyone can agree that the the 13

◼   ► range from suck too bad and so you know

◼   ► it's big shoes to fill but it's also i

◼   ► think you know the kind of starting with

◼   ► a clean slate or they can they can do

◼   ► what they want so do you think what do

◼   ► you think they're going to do for these

◼   ► star wars things because so they went

◼   ► from George Lucas's obviously on record

◼   ► as saying that this was it they're never

◼   ► gonna do another one like he absolutely

◼   ► said no we're not going to do it and

◼   ► then you know things change people

◼   ► people acquire other entities and those

◼   ► entities have other ideas for what to do

◼   ► but there's all this you know there's

◼   ► the surrounding universe of Star Wars

◼   ► all those books comics etc do they use

◼   ► any of that or do they just come up with

◼   ► completely new things now I i say they

◼   ► go with completely new stuff I think

◼   ► I've always and I and I know there's

◼   ► probably a ton of listeners out there

◼   ► who who are going to disagree but

◼   ► my opinion is always been that the

◼   ► movies are the only cannon in Star Wars

◼   ► yeah and any other stuff is that just it

◼   ► may have the official logo on it but

◼   ► it's fanfiction right because i never

◼   ► got into i read the first one because i

◼   ► was so excited when the first novel came

◼   ► out

◼   ► uh-huh ah because it was unlike 99% sure

◼   ► yeah I think I've got the timing right

◼   ► on this where empires are not Empire

◼   ► return of the jedi comes out in 1983 and

◼   ► then Lucas is okay i'm done with these

◼   ► star wars movies for now and right you

◼   ► know and it did that was the only time

◼   ► it really late eighties was the only

◼   ► time r star wars really kind of faded

◼   ► away where there was no new stuff at all

◼   ► right in the nineties they said ok we're

◼   ► going to start some new stuff and ate

◼   ► the first thing they did was

◼   ► commissioned a novel and it was terrible

◼   ► it was so bad and you know what was it

◼   ► was it an extension of uh of regalia

◼   ► jetta it took place immediately have to

◼   ► return of the jedi and it's about this

◼   ► guy named Grand Admiral something is

◼   ► like some kind of alien Admiral in the

◼   ► in the Empire and he was holding what

◼   ► was left of the empire together and and

◼   ► and I guess what i really hated about it

◼   ► was it was just one number one just

◼   ► wasn't that compelling number two it was

◼   ► a just well what do you know

◼   ► once again the entire fate of the galaxy

◼   ► comes down to Han Solo Princess Leia and

◼   ► Luke Skywalker all right right Adrian

◼   ► and I got the impression then after you

◼   ► know I never read any other stuff but i

◼   ► can write I'd often pick up the back of

◼   ► them those novels and see what it is and

◼   ► it's just a series of you know 40

◼   ► different incidents where the entire

◼   ► galaxy comes down to the fate of hunt so

◼   ► scary and it's late

◼   ► uh yeah that's a I you know it's sort of

◼   ► the James Bond movies right so there are

◼   ► what was it up until I forget you'll

◼   ► know this which one was it was derived

◼   ► from an actual even Fleming novel but

◼   ► they obviously had to break away from

◼   ► that because they just ran out of novels

◼   ► doing it I i forget the last one that

◼   ► was based on anything it's one of the

◼   ► ones in the seventies one of the Roger

◼   ► Moore ones and

◼   ► so they eventually had to move on and

◼   ► just come up with new stories and they

◼   ► also have I think the same thing where

◼   ► they have people doing fanfiction and

◼   ► doing their own like James Bond things

◼   ► so it's not as big don't think it's the

◼   ► star wars element of it but yes so now

◼   ► the movies are just they hire great

◼   ► screenwriters well sometimes mediocre

◼   ► sometimes it's it's the cast on the

◼   ► screenwriter on strike but they try and

◼   ► hire great screen writers to write these

◼   ► things just just from scratch and i

◼   ► think that works pretty well yeah i

◼   ► think so too and you know obviously you

◼   ► know the end and again they went back to

◼   ► in fleming source material for casino

◼   ► royale right and did I think a fantastic

◼   ► job of modernizing it you know because

◼   ► it was you know that the geopolitics of

◼   ► the novel written 1959 don't exactly

◼   ► hold up anymore right

◼   ► I've heard the new one is is excellent

◼   ► Ivan Ivan Ivan voided reading any major

◼   ► review of it but the bugs seems to be

◼   ► excellent buzz yeah I've actually heard

◼   ► and dead serious

◼   ► I mean exactly with you where I've I

◼   ► almost didn't even want to watch the

◼   ► trailer but I did and I'm glad I did

◼   ► because it wasn't a spoiler trailer that

◼   ► that that no modern format of trailer

◼   ► with we condense the entire plot into

◼   ► the 2-minute I wasn't like that at all

◼   ► too true teaser trailer but the thing

◼   ► i've heard is that there are people

◼   ► saying that this seriously could be like

◼   ► a best-picture movie I don't know about

◼   ► that i mean i was almost too good to

◼   ► wish for but it that somebody would even

◼   ► seriously or even have seriously

◼   ► suggested says to me all I need to know

◼   ► will have your burden is always a you

◼   ► know an actor in some category he seems

◼   ► to be in every year being nominated for

◼   ► something so in this is movie this year

◼   ► so you know maybe yeah I you know I I

◼   ► just an old adage I don't even you know

◼   ► i'm sure it distributed to 30 different

◼   ► directors but that ninety percent of

◼   ► directing is casting on and i do think

◼   ► that a lot of the bad James Bond movies

◼   ► have been really poorly cast word so you

◼   ► don't even know any of the other guys

◼   ► who are in there and I can't even name

◼   ► the actors i visit a hell of a cast

◼   ► right you get Javier Bardem you got it

◼   ► isn't rape refined in this yeah ray

◼   ► fridays in it and i have no idea what he

◼   ► is and don't have nobody tell me because

◼   ► i have no idea they get it was

◼   ► apparently a big secret

◼   ► good guys and bad guys the traders ii

◼   ► who knows but you know what can they

◼   ► have have you ever seen the movie

◼   ► perfume this kind of strange movie and I

◼   ► have that's about it's a weird series

◼   ► like killer with killer with a great

◼   ► sense of spell movie but it's an

◼   ► interesting movie is a it's like a

◼   ► quirky thing but anyway that that guy's

◼   ► i think is also in the James fun and

◼   ► he's I don't think I'm spoiling anything

◼   ► because it isn't the teaser thing where

◼   ► he's plays a the new quartermaster

◼   ► yeah yeah I know I knew that yeah he's

◼   ► like yeah and I are gonna write that

◼   ► down and watch that

◼   ► ya know i love the idea i love the idea

◼   ► that q is that the dynamic now is going

◼   ► to be that he's young he's like a

◼   ► twenty-something you know nerd

◼   ► yeah as opposed to being way older than

◼   ► bond now he's way younger than one

◼   ► yeah well you're going back to the star

◼   ► wars and here's the thing i remember

◼   ► this is why I'm not surprised that that

◼   ► there's a 789 that Lucas and I don't

◼   ► think it's a bad idea that Lucas has an

◼   ► outline form i think an outline from

◼   ► Lucas is exactly it's great because you

◼   ► know he's done the outline of what he's

◼   ► done for the original six movies is fine

◼   ► right it's the execution exactly in the

◼   ► dialogue just keep your eye on its

◼   ► overhead right and it's just no surprise

◼   ► that that with Empire Strikes Back he

◼   ► didn't write the screenplay did the

◼   ► story and then they went to Lee bracket

◼   ► who wrote those great nineteen forties

◼   ► Humphrey Bogart movies which were almost

◼   ► entirely the entire appeal of them was

◼   ► the great dialogue

◼   ► ok so that's you know I think that's a

◼   ► great direction but here's the thing i

◼   ► remember is when I was a kid it was so

◼   ► hard to get information because you know

◼   ► there was no internet and you would get

◼   ► these I remember I beg and plead and get

◼   ► my mom to buy these crazy magazines at

◼   ► the supermarket these movie magazines

◼   ► you know like things like fangoria i

◼   ► think was one yeah right you know and

◼   ► most of it was just filled and I liked

◼   ► it all but most of it was filled with

◼   ► you know like a seven-page thing on how

◼   ► they did the makeup for American

◼   ► Werewolf in London which is kind of

◼   ► interesting how they do makeup and how

◼   ► they do special effects and stuff like

◼   ► that but then that's where i would get

◼   ► tidbits of rumors about Star Wars and my

◼   ► friends and I would just buy these

◼   ► magazines and can

◼   ► assume them just to try to get the

◼   ► rumors about Star Wars and i remember

◼   ► back and this is you know early eighties

◼   ► maybe even before return of the jedi

◼   ► came out that we knew we'd is like a

◼   ► good eight nine ten year old kid I knew

◼   ► that there were going to be nine movies

◼   ► and that the first three words the you

◼   ► know these three that the next three

◼   ► we're going to take place before right

◼   ► we knew i knew in 1983 that how did will

◼   ► be our how did Anakin Skywalker turned

◼   ► into Darth Vader had a lightsaber duel

◼   ► with obi-wan Kenobi and got knocked into

◼   ► a pit of lava I'm I knew that when I was

◼   ► nine and isolated what do i do lily is

◼   ► kind of abandoned that when he and his

◼   ► most heinous recent interviews not

◼   ► recent but a few years ago and write

◼   ► about the second trilogy ye bandhan just

◼   ► burnt out or was you think I don't know

◼   ► my best guess is he just wanted people

◼   ► to shut up about it stop asking you

◼   ► and so he always knew he wanted to make

◼   ► nine but as soon as he finished the

◼   ► second three he just said there aren't

◼   ► going to be any more because it's a good

◼   ► way to get people to stop asking him

◼   ► when there's gonna be more storms yeah

◼   ► that's my guess

◼   ► another thing that wasn't brought up

◼   ► yesterday he is still in the process of

◼   ► doing like the 3d transformation all

◼   ► these right wasn't in the works

◼   ► yes because i went to see the phantom

◼   ► menace in 3d with with the with my son

◼   ► and I think the other ones haven't

◼   ► haven't come out haven't come out yet

◼   ► right so i assume that that's still in

◼   ► the works unless they unless Phantom

◼   ► Menace I don't know how well it did if

◼   ► it didn't do well and it wasn't worth

◼   ► the time and money to to i read great

◼   ► did it was like middling it did like a

◼   ► hundred and five million at the box

◼   ► office in a reissue which was you know

◼   ► it's a hundred five million box with

◼   ► right that right that I wonder how much

◼   ► that cost to do

◼   ► yeah but it wasn't like a sensation yeah

◼   ► one you know one other interesting point

◼   ► on that is someone I saw brought up and

◼   ► it's just kind of a nice parallel i

◼   ► think they said that uh mark hamill will

◼   ► be the same age as alec guinness was in

◼   ► the original Star Wars when this new

◼   ► 2015 Star Wars comes out really kind of

◼   ► area to the whole parallel or is

◼   ► outguess younger than I

◼   ► I think yeah I think he was 60 sometime

◼   ► like that

◼   ► yeah yeah I think that's right i think

◼   ► that's what they said i think it was

◼   ► Mark Hamill I don't know he always

◼   ► looked all I've always thought that was

◼   ► one of those continuity things that just

◼   ► doesn't seem to add up is that how old

◼   ► you and mcgregor looks at the end of

◼   ► episode three when he's handing over

◼   ► baby Luke to the family where I compared

◼   ► to and was it 19 years later 20 years

◼   ► later in the nineteen or twenty years

◼   ► later when when the next one picks up

◼   ► the right right looks like he had over

◼   ► 20 years

◼   ► yeah I've always having my back of my

◼   ► mind I've always thought I was gonna do

◼   ► to commission some sort of parody thing

◼   ► that I thought it would be funny that

◼   ► you know in this question of hey why not

◼   ► in those intervening 20 years why did

◼   ► Yoda and obi-wan go into hiding rather

◼   ► than like try to kick some ass around

◼   ► the galaxy right in my I always thought

◼   ► the funniest explanation would be that

◼   ► he he just drank himself sick and that

◼   ► can happen and you know like that's why

◼   ► he knows you can see it as a good look

◼   ► yeah that's a lie like that I like that

◼   ► because it really does seem like he's

◼   ► headed very a really rough 20 years

◼   ► well and ewan mcgregor did a good job of

◼   ► the voice stuff right like he's he did a

◼   ► fantastic job he's constantly mimicking

◼   ► Alec Guinness his voice and yes just

◼   ► like they could have done a little bit

◼   ► more makeup work yes and in the third

◼   ► one to show him slowly deteriorating

◼   ► something like that

◼   ► I well remember when they were

◼   ► originally casting the new trilogy one

◼   ► of the rumors was that kenneth branagh

◼   ► was up for the role of obi-wan Kenobi

◼   ► ok so even closer in age than at least

◼   ► liked for the Aged discrepancy right and

◼   ► i think that the guy i think the

◼   ► explanation was that he had read Lucas

◼   ► reconsidered how big of a span he wanted

◼   ► to cover and wanted to have a truly

◼   ► young obi-wan in the first one you know

◼   ► like I don't know how old he was but he

◼   ► was supposed to know you still a Padawan

◼   ► and right he has a rat tail so it's

◼   ► probably like you know right yeah 20 but

◼   ► i think though that kenneth branagh

◼   ► would have been it would have made the

◼   ► continuity feel more by the end of the

◼   ► three movies would have made it feel a

◼   ► little bit more

◼   ► again it's about 20 years before Alec

◼   ► Guinness so do you think with these new

◼   ► ones you think they do continuation or

◼   ► all new characters I mean they'll have

◼   ► to do some obviously tions to the to the

◼   ► previous original trilogy right i really

◼   ► don't know and that was the one thing

◼   ► you know that

◼   ► yeah and and there do you see the thing

◼   ► that came out today that mark hamill

◼   ► said in an interview that George Lucas

◼   ► had told that had lunch with him and

◼   ► Carrie Fisher a year ago and told them

◼   ► like a year ago and said look you can't

◼   ► tell anybody but I'm going to do three

◼   ► more movies and I guess there was

◼   ► nothing interview interview that said I

◼   ► want you guys in it

◼   ► alright it just he just said I just like

◼   ► you guys should know because it's gonna

◼   ► come out you know it's gonna come out

◼   ► eventually I wanted you guys to know

◼   ► that and they're going to be sequels

◼   ► that take place later but I you know

◼   ► whether it's 20 30 years and those

◼   ► characters are still alive or whether

◼   ► it's you know thousand generations or

◼   ► something like that I don't know

◼   ► yeah well if they want to I mean the

◼   ► every indication by disney now is that

◼   ► they want to keep keep this going

◼   ► indefinitely almost like a James Bond

◼   ► type thing where you know even new one

◼   ► every few years so if they do that then

◼   ► I assume they start pretty soon after

◼   ► the the original trilogy and then just

◼   ► keep going into the future and trying to

◼   ► make compelling characters right be kind

◼   ► of cool if it was just like rumored you

◼   ► know like that there's this guy Luke

◼   ► Skywalker's I don't know I definitely

◼   ► think it could be it's very yet I feel

◼   ► like it could be great and I but I feel

◼   ► like the worst thing would be if it's

◼   ► you know Lucan land and I I can't

◼   ► imagine Harrison Ford want anything to

◼   ► do with it and right now Luke and Leia

◼   ► and Chewbacca save the galaxy again

◼   ► okay yeah pretty exciting

◼   ► yeah I'm surprised I'm kind of so i

◼   ► don't know i mean obviously I've never

◼   ► met George Lucas but I'm just surprised

◼   ► it from what I thought about him that

◼   ► just you know I guess he wants to get

◼   ► into charity and I guess if you're gonna

◼   ► write you can do that me know if that's

◼   ► really where your passion is you know it

◼   ► just doesn't make sense to me

◼   ► he clearly has yet I think he's ok he's

◼   ► already billionaire right from from all

◼   ► those movies like he his big thing was

◼   ► that he did such a good job of the

◼   ► the cutting the deals to get the

◼   ► merchandising rights right i mean that's

◼   ► very made most of his money off of off

◼   ► of all the Star Wars movies and the

◼   ► movies themselves made you know over a

◼   ► billion dollars but that's small

◼   ► compared to what they make on the toy

◼   ► sales and all that other stuff and so

◼   ► yeah he clearly didn't need the money to

◼   ► do it but maybe don't know maybe feels

◼   ► like Disney will be a good shepherd I

◼   ► mean Bob Iger seems to be awesome at

◼   ► cutting these these types of deals I i

◼   ► actually just want to take him at his

◼   ► word and that he you know he wasn't

◼   ► going to make anymore he wants us to

◼   ► stay evergreen and you who better to has

◼   ► a better track record of keeping

◼   ► franchises a live decade after decade

◼   ► than disney right you know and have done

◼   ► a very good job with the muppets they've

◼   ► done a good job with that

◼   ► well marvel it's hard to judge so far

◼   ► that's right it's too early but they've

◼   ► done a good job so far with those films

◼   ► and they do a great job with the

◼   ► merchandising which has always been so

◼   ► important to start were so right

◼   ► yeah it's a good fit yeah very exciting

◼   ► as i said i tweeted this and couple a

◼   ► lot of people retweeted it and it does

◼   ► it weirds me out is that it is going to

◼   ► be really weird to have a Star Wars

◼   ► movie open without the 20th century five

◼   ► and fair

◼   ► yeah yeah I wonder do they did they

◼   ► retain any sort of Rights for like Co

◼   ► distribution of any future properties no

◼   ► okay and it's different with Indiana

◼   ► Jones paramount has anything if they do

◼   ► anything with Indiana Jones it's gonna

◼   ► have to be with paramount cooperation

◼   ► ok on in some degree or they have to buy

◼   ► them out they are there's something that

◼   ► have to buy up and our warriors and

◼   ► that's because like Spielberg it's that

◼   ► this is so incestuous right so

◼   ► Spielberg's Amblin group had a deal with

◼   ► paramount back then when they were doing

◼   ► that and then Kathleen Kennedy was his

◼   ► production partner and now Kathleen

◼   ► Kennedy is the president of a Lucasfilm

◼   ► at disney so it's like all these things

◼   ► are tied together directly i didn't

◼   ► think about that i didn't put those that

◼   ► her name together there

◼   ► yeah the three of them are all like yeah

◼   ► Lucas spill Bergen in kathleen kennedy

◼   ► obviously have been closed for a long

◼   ► time and now that's all sort of related

◼   ► and then

◼   ► so I don't know but everybody but 20th

◼   ► Century Fox has nothing going forward

◼   ► with the new trilogy the only thing that

◼   ► they have and it is fascinating is the

◼   ► 20th Century Fox has perpetual rights

◼   ► into infinity for the original 1977 star

◼   ► wars a new hope for the distribution of

◼   ► it all that's interesting day they have

◼   ► Empire and return of the jedi until like

◼   ► 20 20 or something like that and I don't

◼   ► think they end the new ones they were

◼   ► just you know Lucas was in a position of

◼   ► power where they they were just

◼   ► discussing later

◼   ► something must they must be pushing them

◼   ► to do this 3d stuff because they want to

◼   ► squeeze as much money before 2020 or

◼   ► whatever it is they can out of this

◼   ► yeah i think so and that the idea was

◼   ► that once these other three movies are

◼   ► done figured 2015 given two for each

◼   ► year two years reach 2015 17 19 that by

◼   ► 2020 it would be nice to be able to buy

◼   ► a 9 movie box set but that it would

◼   ► never be possible without either buying

◼   ► 20th Century Fox's rights for that

◼   ► original 1977 one or doing it in

◼   ► cooperation with them that's that you

◼   ► know that's that's interesting when

◼   ► thinking about the james bond series

◼   ► again right because uh who is it it

◼   ► might make me paramount that owns the

◼   ► rights to one I think it's thunderball

◼   ► and that's why they redid the night that

◼   ► bond movie in the eighties with with

◼   ► Connor e-learning never seen ya never

◼   ► say never again because that's the only

◼   ► one they own the rights to that's the

◼   ► only one that the the broccoli family

◼   ► doesn't have complete rights to it i

◼   ► believe

◼   ► yeah it's a very it I i really got

◼   ► obsessed with that a while ago is when

◼   ► Dan Benjamin and I were going through

◼   ► all the james bond movie and we decided

◼   ► to treat it as one because the honorees

◼   ► and it's a bond movie

◼   ► yeah it's like he had agreed to do a

◼   ► teleplay Ian Fleming I'm wasn't a James

◼   ► Bond story i don't think it was just a

◼   ► spy caper for like the BBC television

◼   ► with a co-writer yeah and it fell

◼   ► through never happened and he took the

◼   ► guts of the story which was just the

◼   ► basic idea of it

◼   ► terrorist organization steals a nuclear

◼   ► bomb by hijacking by having a trader on

◼   ► a a pilot Air Force pilot because a

◼   ► trader for this terrorist group and

◼   ► that's how they get ahold of a nuclear

◼   ► bomb and they just want to ransom it off

◼   ► ok good story but he took it and made it

◼   ► into a bond novel and the litigation

◼   ► started and it was all ongoing and the

◼   ► broccoli group went ahead and made a

◼   ► movie out of thunderball anyway even

◼   ► though they had some of their advisors

◼   ► are saying maybe we shouldn't do this

◼   ► one to keep you know let's do another

◼   ► one he's already got 60 these novels

◼   ► don't do thunderball yet because there's

◼   ► this legally questionable weird anyway

◼   ► and it was a huge hit i mean it was you

◼   ► know is i might have been making the

◼   ► biggest it might have been the biggest

◼   ► one because it was the fourth one and

◼   ► Goldfinger was was one of a kind of

◼   ► broke through as a sensation and

◼   ► thunderbird is just an unbelievable

◼   ► follow-up Ron and it was like more of a

◼   ► spectacular in terms of the effects with

◼   ► all the underwater fighting and stuff it

◼   ► was I get people were going back to see

◼   ► it again and again because they were

◼   ► seeing things in everything but anyway

◼   ► they ended up losing the litigation and

◼   ► lost money on it and and that the gist

◼   ► of it was that both Fleming and the

◼   ► original guy got co-writes to the

◼   ► Thunderbolt James Bond thunderball story

◼   ► so the broccoli group if they wanted to

◼   ► could make a new do it fireball it but

◼   ► there's this other group at you know i

◼   ► think you're right that it's paramount

◼   ► could do it to like they could still

◼   ► make any they still could make a James

◼   ► Bond movie if it follows the plot and I

◼   ► think they were I believe that almost

◼   ► happened in the nineties when they were

◼   ► in between the Dalton and bras and stuff

◼   ► i think that a group was exploring

◼   ► rebooting before gold and I came out for

◼   ► paramount or whoever the other studio is

◼   ► but yeah it would've had to use that

◼   ► same they're just gonna remake it every

◼   ► 10 years I guess Nam and so I wonder if

◼   ► with with Star Wars now since since 20

◼   ► Century Fox owns those the rights to the

◼   ► first one if they do like a remake of a

◼   ► new hope with like six year old mark

◼   ► hamill and I don't know if you that

◼   ► would be it would be interesting if they

◼   ► have the right to do whatever they want

◼   ► like that or just the rights to

◼   ► distribute

◼   ► the movie as it was made you know you

◼   ► got me interested yeah I don't know

◼   ► fascinating stuff though really is yes

◼   ► us all right let's do that the nerd why

◼   ► that's nerd stuff too but that one their

◼   ► stuff right actually quite a bit of

◼   ► applications now the Apple the ipad mini

◼   ► ipad for seems like everybody did what I

◼   ► did it seems i didn't really discuss

◼   ► with anybody but I i had to review units

◼   ► from apple and an ipad 4 and iPad Mini

◼   ► yep i spent all week with the ipad mini

◼   ► and i use the ipad for free like 15

◼   ► minutes just did you not give it a kick

◼   ► kick the tires run some benchmarks and

◼   ► as I get it just like the ipad 3 about

◼   ► twice as fast

◼   ► yeah that the problem is I don't know if

◼   ► you ran into this like I was trying to

◼   ► test the the fourth-generation iPad and

◼   ► it the ipad 3 is already so fast for

◼   ► every app that I try to run it's just

◼   ► like it's hard to gauge I think you know

◼   ► things load faster generally but it's I

◼   ► mean it was already loading so fast so

◼   ► we're really gonna have to wait for

◼   ► developers to come up with kind of crazy

◼   ► apps to take advantage of the a6x and

◼   ► and the new graphics capabilities and

◼   ► we're just not there yet

◼   ► yeah aiight i saw a demo of one kind of

◼   ► during the briefing thing of of game

◼   ► that was specifically built for the new

◼   ► technical capabilities and looked

◼   ► amazing you know different lens flares

◼   ► and all kinds of different things going

◼   ► on graphically but yeah it's it's really

◼   ► it was really pretty hard to to try to

◼   ► review this fourth-generation iPad since

◼   ► it is you know for all intents and

◼   ► purposes a an ipad 3 s right

◼   ► yes and it's true too because you know

◼   ► that the games were already out there

◼   ► they're the developers aren't going to

◼   ► target hardware beyond what's already

◼   ► out there so anything that's already am

◼   ► store is meant to run well on the ipad 3

◼   ► yep or at least on the ipad 3 if not

◼   ► even older ipad so did you know that

◼   ► I've had for is going to use you know go

◼   ► through that without even breaking a

◼   ► sweat

◼   ► yeah so yeah I think we all i think i

◼   ► saw that too that pretty much everyone

◼   ► roped in there just a quick mention

◼   ► about the the ipad fortune in their ipad

◼   ► mini review yeah but i really like

◼   ► did the ipad mini I really all I think I

◼   ► like it more

◼   ► you know I'm gonna take a lot of shit

◼   ► for saying that but I think I like it

◼   ► more each day like the more I just use

◼   ► it just seems to be a much more natural

◼   ► way to just interact with them with a

◼   ► tablet seems like it and I I'd feeling I

◼   ► would feel that way given my thoughts

◼   ► about the nexus 7 the form factor in

◼   ► general and it just seems like Apple had

◼   ► an opportunity to really nail this form

◼   ► factor and I think they did I wanted two

◼   ► things that struck me i didn't put in my

◼   ► review but and i actually just saved it

◼   ► for the show cuz it it anyway sound

◼   ► better than it would read better but it

◼   ► took me feels like more of a pad like

◼   ► the your word pad fits better here

◼   ► whereas the full-sized iPad is more of a

◼   ► tap tablet seems like the right word

◼   ► right like this big thing that Moses

◼   ► came down the mountain with a big tablet

◼   ► yeah that's that's a good way to put it

◼   ► i agree with that this feels more like a

◼   ► pattern i know people have been

◼   ► comparing it to like you know the weight

◼   ► to like a pad of paper at it they are

◼   ► very similar it's you know it's even

◼   ► smaller than like a mosque in notebook

◼   ► or doing a bigger normal skin notebook

◼   ► right on probably equivalent to like the

◼   ► the more pocket-sized moleskin notebook

◼   ► it really just pad feels like the right

◼   ► word and I do feel like this is sort of

◼   ► the natural especially for someone and i

◼   ► really emphasize this as someone who

◼   ► still has and wants to have a portable a

◼   ► real portable laptop computer like a

◼   ► macbook air macbook pro or something

◼   ► like that as a secondary portable

◼   ► computer this seems like a better form

◼   ► factor

◼   ► yeah and I think that's why you know

◼   ► some people are already questioning well

◼   ► how does this fit into the lineup I mean

◼   ► you know you got an ipad already why

◼   ► someone would buy this

◼   ► I do think that'll that more people are

◼   ► going to end up buying an ipad mini I

◼   ► mean I know it's it's early and and who

◼   ► knows how this will actually play out

◼   ► especially given the price element of it

◼   ► but this just seems like the thing that

◼   ► people will want especially the people

◼   ► that you're talking about which is most

◼   ► people most people already have a

◼   ► computer of course and so they're

◼   ► wondering like why should i get an ipad

◼   ► when I already have a computer maybe

◼   ► i'll get an ipad you know when my

◼   ► computer dies or something like that but

◼   ► this

◼   ► this is a pretty natural transition

◼   ► point to have both so yeah that's why I

◼   ► think that this thing maybe soon as next

◼   ► quarter could end up about selling the

◼   ► the iPad itself i really i think for the

◼   ► holiday quarter i really do and part of

◼   ► the reaction and it's one basing it on a

◼   ► sample size of one almost nine year old

◼   ► boy but there is a note no doubt in my

◼   ► mind that if you sent if you gave my son

◼   ► 400 bucks put them in the apple store

◼   ► and so you can buy whatever i pod you

◼   ► want our iPad well whatever you want 400

◼   ► bucks i think there's no doubt in my

◼   ► mind that he would buy the ipad mini

◼   ► this is no question he wouldn't know how

◼   ► is he so that's I'm pretty interested in

◼   ► that because i have no real a data point

◼   ► there yet in terms of like kids using it

◼   ► so that's a huge thing for the iPad

◼   ► itself and everyone knows this by now

◼   ► but what about the ipad mini with kids

◼   ► like how did your son use I wanted to

◼   ► play games on it and you know and he

◼   ► does he does read he reads it does I

◼   ► books on his ipad is an old think it's a

◼   ► first gen ipad actually the one that we

◼   ► have been around that's for him to use

◼   ► but it's definitely pretty resonant

◼   ► either a one or two but it always has

◼   ► surprised me that he uses it less than

◼   ► his old last generation Knockaround

◼   ► iphone that we given he plays more games

◼   ► has played can you know consistently

◼   ► more games on an iphone then on an iPad

◼   ► even when it's not because we were out

◼   ► it out about and that's what was easy to

◼   ► take form it's in the house when he's on

◼   ► the couch and he's just playing games he

◼   ► likes that because i think that the the

◼   ► weight of the idea is a it just feels

◼   ► like work whereas he really likes the

◼   ► size of this is like what you know is

◼   ► his take was I can't believe they didn't

◼   ► make them all like this so yeah I wrote

◼   ► in my review and I think I'm not it i'm

◼   ► not a huge gamer by any stretch but it

◼   ► seems like when i was playing some of

◼   ► the just testing out some of the

◼   ► different ipad optimized games on this

◼   ► ipad mini this seems like an absolute

◼   ► killer gaming device like I don't know

◼   ► why people would still buy an xbox or

◼   ► you know obviously there's going to be

◼   ► games that have

◼   ► with more better graphics capabilities

◼   ► and you know some more involved games

◼   ► but for casual gaming this is an

◼   ► absolute killer device for that it's

◼   ► like the perfect size and it almost

◼   ► feels like these games were tailored for

◼   ► an ipad this size rather than the larger

◼   ► size because like where your hands are

◼   ► situated and you know you have well you

◼   ► don't have a you know the side bezel now

◼   ► really on the when you're holding it in

◼   ► portrait mode in landscape mode you

◼   ► still have that and it's just it seems

◼   ► like a really awesome gaming machines

◼   ► yeah i think so too i really do think

◼   ► that in some ways maybe it's more of a

◼   ► devastating competitive move to nintendo

◼   ► and Joanie yes then it is to google and

◼   ► amazon you know because especially with

◼   ► isn't nintendo I you know I haven't seen

◼   ► too much about it but I know it's coming

◼   ► out the wii u their new gaming systems

◼   ► they're gonna be first to market of the

◼   ► next-generation gaming system with this

◼   ► wii u thing in I mean it's sort of not

◼   ► too different from what the ipad mini is

◼   ► doing right it's like the handheld

◼   ► touchable hold it with two hands type

◼   ► thing and i think that i mean this is

◼   ► this is going to be huge for for kids it

◼   ► gaming and for just people like casual

◼   ► games now I don't count nintendo out

◼   ► cause I'm a huge fan of Nintendo's work

◼   ► and I think they really do sweat the

◼   ► details and and in an apple-like way

◼   ► about getting gameplay right buttons

◼   ► right into that but I just think that

◼   ► the ipad could risk taking so much

◼   ► oxygen out of the room that there

◼   ► there's not enough left for nintendo no

◼   ► matter how good the product they come

◼   ► out with this

◼   ► yeah and I mean we this gets brought up

◼   ► every every quarter at least but how

◼   ► awesome would it be if Apple just bought

◼   ► nintendo I mean it would be it would be

◼   ► such a great selling point for these

◼   ► devices it makes sense for Apple to do

◼   ► because that's that's will get people

◼   ► specifically just to buy an ipad mini to

◼   ► be able to play mario and zelda and

◼   ► those and those types of IP it seems

◼   ► like Nintendo like the reports out of

◼   ► Japan they're very proud company

◼   ► obviously they don't want to do that but

◼   ► Apple has the money of course to do it

◼   ► and it's just a question of what it

◼   ► would it work could they make it work

◼   ► and would it make sense to maybe keep

◼   ► them get them out of the hardware game

◼   ► and keep them is like into almost

◼   ► independent

◼   ► content game you know just focus on

◼   ► making games will make the devices you

◼   ► focus on your library you know almost

◼   ► again like Star Wars this great library

◼   ► of classic characters and games and

◼   ► innovative new stuff that's really

◼   ► really super engaging yeah and i think

◼   ► that they would avoid what you know what

◼   ► would be the pitfall of potential

◼   ► pitfall of this which is that you know

◼   ► well apples moving into gaming now

◼   ► everyone else watch out but the gaming

◼   ► environment is such a big thing and this

◼   ► is worked well for nintendo in the past

◼   ► and all these other guys they make their

◼   ► games everyone makes their own games but

◼   ► then they have the larger ecosystem and

◼   ► it's kind of like pushing the envelope

◼   ► for nintendo's always been good at at

◼   ► setting a new high bar and kind of the

◼   ► other guys trying to to match it and

◼   ► apple could do the same thing with their

◼   ► own gaming studio under nintendo if they

◼   ► did that or if they worked out some kind

◼   ► of deal you know maybe they want to

◼   ► require you to do some kind of the

◼   ► essence in deal where they encourage

◼   ► them to you know somehow do we

◼   ► exclusively producing yeah stuff might

◼   ► have to imagine that all of those guys

◼   ► have been talking about this for years

◼   ► and microsoft sony well maybe not

◼   ► something i don't know what the rivalry

◼   ► like is its with sony and nintendo maybe

◼   ► they hate each other but Microsoft

◼   ► certainly had to have has to have

◼   ► constantly been approaching intended to

◼   ► try and make those games available on

◼   ► xbox because it's such a gold mine right

◼   ► well it's two hands they have number one

◼   ► they have nintendo has tremendous talent

◼   ► yes I mean then consistently you know

◼   ► they just have great great game

◼   ► designers and artists and the second

◼   ► thing i have is this library of

◼   ► characters which as that the Marvel

◼   ► acquisition and the star wars

◼   ► acquisition show has unbelievable value

◼   ► I mean then you know that's been long

◼   ► enough that you know there's no doubt

◼   ► that these guys like Mario and Donkey

◼   ► Kong and those guys are you know maybe

◼   ► they're not quite at the level of the

◼   ► Disney characters like Donald Duck and

◼   ► Mickey and those guys but they're very

◼   ► very close and maybe I would be

◼   ► surprised if in Asia their greater yeah

◼   ► oh yeah that's it i would be surprised

◼   ► either a disney tries to acquire a

◼   ► nintendo I we may write in their

◼   ► wheelhouse know and that definitely

◼   ► seems like their strategies if you

◼   ► not evergreen ensemble of these

◼   ► characters that were a no and its family

◼   ► and their family friend friendly than

◼   ► where we want them

◼   ► yeah no doubt about it ok with the game

◼   ► I think of and I don't play enough games

◼   ► to really to be a great judge of it but

◼   ► I know the one game i sometimes like to

◼   ► play as the real racing games on ipad

◼   ► and it's it's I think it's definitely

◼   ► better on the mini no doubt in my mind

◼   ► because it's you know it's just far less

◼   ► to hold out in front of you i mean your

◼   ► arms are sticking straight up and then

◼   ► you know doing this thing where you're

◼   ► turning the screen with a pound and a

◼   ► half vs. you know seven-tenths of Amelia

◼   ► it's right you know it's a huge

◼   ► difference so I do think that gaming

◼   ► alone i think ipad mini and so is going

◼   ► to be a hit and so let's talk about the

◼   ► screen that's obviously I mean every

◼   ► review had to say it because it's just

◼   ► straight in front of you anyone who's

◼   ► used retina display for extended period

◼   ► of time will be immediately kind of

◼   ► turned off

◼   ► I at first by the screen because it's

◼   ► not retin-a quality and you know to me

◼   ► that kind of faded over time but then I

◼   ► switch back to you know I've got the

◼   ► retina mac and of course the retina

◼   ► iphone and the retina iPad and so it's

◼   ► just it's pretty jarring but you know

◼   ► the larger point is that most people

◼   ► still don't have iPads and there's

◼   ► plenty of people still with with non

◼   ► retina displays on their various devices

◼   ► who won't who you know it

◼   ► this is still a great display it's just

◼   ► not a Retina display no I you know I'd

◼   ► really that was my first I was just

◼   ► really disappointed after a week I got

◼   ► used to it especially because I stopped

◼   ► using the other ipad i wanted to you

◼   ► know most people normal people are going

◼   ► to more than one ipad that they use so i

◼   ► just use the mini for a week and I got

◼   ► used to it but i also am clearly i am

◼   ► very self aware that I am far more

◼   ► obsessed with screen resolution

◼   ► resolution than most people and also

◼   ► specifically with the rendering of type

◼   ► on screen yeah you know I mean I know

◼   ► how to recognize Ariel from the

◼   ► helvetica

◼   ► normal people don't know where normal

◼   ► people just don't see that big a

◼   ► difference between redneck

◼   ► non retina and i really do think i am

◼   ► convinced absolutely

◼   ► well I'll say 99.8 percent convinced

◼   ► that the ipad 2 has continued to sell

◼   ► very very well maybe even surprisingly

◼   ► well at 399 alongside the retina iPad

◼   ► threes that people are going into apple

◼   ► stores for the last seven months seeing

◼   ► the ipad 2 right next to the retina iPad

◼   ► threes and saying WOW 399 I'll take this

◼   ► one

◼   ► yeah and I tried to get some sort of

◼   ► answer out of Apple about that they they

◼   ► won't give you anything specific but it

◼   ► seems like certainly education comes

◼   ► into play there are you know they're

◼   ► they're selling the cheaper versions and

◼   ► they I think they sell them at a

◼   ► discount right if they if they sell them

◼   ► in bulk and so education is a part of

◼   ► that but yeah there's no question that

◼   ► they're selling the ipad 2 for a reason

◼   ► even though they discontinued the

◼   ► third-generation ipad right like rather

◼   ► than doing fourth-generation move the

◼   ► ipad 3 down to the 399 price they just

◼   ► killed that off and now they're just

◼   ► doing the ipad 2 and so that says all

◼   ► you need to know right there that

◼   ► obviously it had to have been selling

◼   ► well and so its existence proof that

◼   ► right now today you do not need a Retina

◼   ► display and an ipad to sell well yeah

◼   ► it's you know it would be nice and

◼   ► surely eventually whether it's a year

◼   ► from now or 18 months from now or two

◼   ► years from now there's going to be an

◼   ► ipad mini with retina display it just is

◼   ► not right

◼   ► right as rain you know I'm sure it's you

◼   ► know night follows day but and that's

◼   ► going to be great and I'm going to love

◼   ► it and I'm going to be so happy but in

◼   ► the meantime there's absolutely no

◼   ► reason that this isn't going to continue

◼   ► to sell really well and I think the ipad

◼   ► to you know whether Apple did

◼   ► intentionally or not it's it made the

◼   ► timing of this ipad mini pretty perfect

◼   ► because had there been nothing but a

◼   ► Retina Display ipad out there first so

◼   ► the four and three the downgrade would

◼   ► have been much more dramatic but the

◼   ► fact that they are still selling the two

◼   ► you know they don't have to come in with

◼   ► a product that's the that's really

◼   ► downgrade in anyway it's just it's a

◼   ► better ipad2 right it's not a it's not a

◼   ► downgraded ipad forward now

◼   ► no it's a great product alright let me

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◼   ► right now for your iPad your iPhone your

◼   ► ipod touch you can get more information

◼   ► at apps fire dot-com a PPS fi re dot-com

◼   ► or just go to the app store and search

◼   ► for apps fire and check them out last

◼   ► week I went to the point to the

◼   ► Microsoft Windows 8 event

◼   ► mom you did I didn't know that yeah I

◼   ► hope I came in on a red-eye from the

◼   ► west coast after the apple thing and

◼   ► after being in LA to record last week's

◼   ► the talk show

◼   ► uh-huh but i was so happy that they

◼   ► invited me and I really didn't want to

◼   ► miss it because i really wanted to see

◼   ► it and I'm really am glad that I went I

◼   ► haven't been to a microsoft event before

◼   ► so before you get into that let me let

◼   ► me bring up something here because it's

◼   ► fascinating that that you that they

◼   ► invited you

◼   ► I've heard specifically now from a few

◼   ► different people that they do not want

◼   ► me to have a surface

◼   ► um and I've heard that from internally

◼   ► within the company like their advocate

◼   ► you have friends there and stuff we're

◼   ► trying to see if I could do it just you

◼   ► know either door viewer just play around

◼   ► with it whatever and they do not want me

◼   ► to have one and I don't know if that

◼   ► speaks to the fact that obviously they

◼   ► think i'm going to be biased in some way

◼   ► shape or form but I mean they should

◼   ► understand that if i take a shit on it

◼   ► and then it ends up being a good device

◼   ► I look like an ass

◼   ► exactly thats really everybody doesn't

◼   ► seem too

◼   ► get right and it's I have to be honest

◼   ► about it so I don't know what they're

◼   ► afraid of or whatever it is and I've had

◼   ► a fine relationship with Microsoft in

◼   ► the past they just seemed to not want me

◼   ► to have this device I just saw the same

◼   ► thing with harry mccracken review of the

◼   ► ipad mini 4 time and somebody in the

◼   ► comments or on Twitter was like wow what

◼   ► a surprise another positive review of an

◼   ► apple device and time five in a row and

◼   ► and McRae's responses will look at those

◼   ► five devices are in hindsight are they

◼   ► good devices i think i'm actually think

◼   ► that you know I've done a good job i've

◼   ► called it is you know accurately these

◼   ► have been great device it's so

◼   ► ridiculous right and into Google's

◼   ► credit they're great at this like they

◼   ► know that I'm not the biggest android

◼   ► fan in the world but they still sent me

◼   ► all these units to try it try out see

◼   ► what I think about it and you know they

◼   ► seem to appreciate at least my take on

◼   ► it whether or not they agree with it

◼   ► home and your your nexus 7 review was

◼   ► actually very very positive and unite

◼   ► active is going to be right right yeah

◼   ► so I don't know

◼   ► yeah so it's good to hear that Microsoft

◼   ► invited you to the event that they're

◼   ► not blackballing all of us if they are

◼   ► black by me i don't know i I've heard

◼   ► this a couple times now to believe it to

◼   ► be true but on this edition they should

◼   ► reread what you write and well like when

◼   ► I say if they think I'm fair they should

◼   ► i think they should have a similar

◼   ► opinion of you honestly

◼   ► well anyway it sounds it easily I don't

◼   ► know he's a fan of daring fireball but

◼   ► at least that sandusky read it and and

◼   ► respects it yeah uh it was so i want to

◼   ► write about it but like that and i'm

◼   ► kinda it's kinda off the clay but it's

◼   ► just been such a busy week that I

◼   ► haven't gotten around to it yet but just

◼   ► off the cuff that the gist of it was so

◼   ► interesting to me because it was except

◼   ► everyone just think about it from a PR

◼   ► standpoint of a product marketing

◼   ► standpoint what a tough position

◼   ► neighbor in where they wanted to in vail

◼   ► two things they wanted to unveil the new

◼   ► operating system which is for all these

◼   ► ecosystem partners and they want to do

◼   ► unveiled their own surface device which

◼   ► competes with those partners like how do

◼   ► you do that and one of that right and so

◼   ► with the weight without having to events

◼   ► the same day that's that's what I found

◼   ► so interesting

◼   ► the morning was like a reverse apple

◼   ► event ten o'clock the doors open you

◼   ► come in and you do your registration and

◼   ► the first thing you have is a big hands

◼   ► on area with all of these devices from

◼   ► acer and asus and samsung and HP and

◼   ► dell think paso you you try them out

◼   ► before they talk about the first thing

◼   ► you do is come in and add you know is a

◼   ► nice to not bigger in a coffee and juice

◼   ► and stuff like that but all these hands

◼   ► on things and and you know just anything

◼   ► that was ready on day one was there and

◼   ► very few desktops there was like one or

◼   ► two

◼   ► I'm a Kish ask all-in-one desktops but

◼   ► almost entirely tablets and convertible

◼   ► tablets you know any any way that you

◼   ► can imagine that there's a way to secure

◼   ► a touchscreen tablet to a keyboard dock

◼   ► type thing

◼   ► there's one that was there i mean

◼   ► everyone I can't even I was saying I was

◼   ► walking around with Clinton Morris from

◼   ► Fox and we were seriously trying to

◼   ► think of what else could there even

◼   ► conceivably be you know one's that snap

◼   ► together there were ones that had is so

◼   ► awkward to me there's like a frame like

◼   ► think of a window frame and it connects

◼   ► in the middle so use pivot it it like

◼   ► spins around so you can close it back up

◼   ► with the keyboard and the keyboard is

◼   ► there underneath it but the screen is

◼   ► now facing up

◼   ► you don't understand i mean like imagine

◼   ► the last hour of yeah I don't think that

◼   ► one's I forget who made that 1i i want i

◼   ► think is DOA I mean it's really weird

◼   ► but anyway

◼   ► first you have the hands-on then about

◼   ► an hour in they had the big keynote and

◼   ► you know and it was kind of again

◼   ► opposite of Apple where they had nothing

◼   ► new to announce because that's just the

◼   ► net and that's not a fault that's just

◼   ► the nature of being a provider of us

◼   ► os/2 these partners they had to have

◼   ► announced everything in advance

◼   ► otherwise there'd be no one who did it

◼   ► wouldn't be any hardware available so

◼   ► they just it was just a way of

◼   ► reiterating what Windows 8 is all about

◼   ► and they talked about what it does and

◼   ► then they started talking about here is

◼   ► some of the great devices that are here

◼   ► today and

◼   ► you know one by one you know started

◼   ► showing them and showing what's

◼   ► interesting about this one about that

◼   ► one and then at the very end they did

◼   ► they see you know they got two and now

◼   ► you know finally you know for the first

◼   ► time we have windows running on arm

◼   ► systems and here's to great ones and it

◼   ► was one from asus and one from microsoft

◼   ► microsoft surface so they didn't even in

◼   ► that first event didn't even hold the

◼   ► surface up unlike a slide on screen or

◼   ► on stage by itself once they did it

◼   ► alongside that thing from Asus shared

◼   ► the stage an embalmer came out and and

◼   ► did his thing and and then that was it

◼   ► and then we broke for lunch so it was

◼   ► hands-on first then the keynote then we

◼   ► broke for lunch and after lunch

◼   ► it was like a Stoli separate event it

◼   ► was the same press invitations it wasn't

◼   ► yet you know i had to have a separate

◼   ► invitation but they had a second keynote

◼   ► that was first and i even did it in a

◼   ► different room that had this whole big

◼   ► Pere in New York and they even did the

◼   ► keynote in a different room that was a

◼   ► little bit smaller and this time it was

◼   ► mostly Sinofsky and it was all about

◼   ► surface so that's that almost it sounds

◼   ► like okay we're putting the kids to bed

◼   ► and now the parents are going to talk

◼   ► yeah that's yeah totally exactly yeah we

◼   ► put the kids event now it's now it's

◼   ► serious and then we got out of that

◼   ► keynote then they'd opened up a separate

◼   ► different hands-on area that had nothing

◼   ► but surfaces and plenty of them and as

◼   ► many I mean like they were they had I

◼   ► think if anything they had more keyboard

◼   ► covers than surfaces because I guess

◼   ► they wanted you to be able to try both

◼   ► uh-huh so they did not i do not have one

◼   ► they did not get one as I can review

◼   ► unit but i had spent at least I don't

◼   ► know in our plan with it so initial

◼   ► thoughts without spoiling a any anything

◼   ► going to write about it what would you

◼   ► actually think of it it's it is not

◼   ► designed for me sorry really tried to

◼   ► see I'm trying to keep an open mind

◼   ► about it though but I you know it's not

◼   ► bad and and it's good in some of the

◼   ► ways that Microsoft has always been good

◼   ► where it's a lot of it does feel very

◼   ► snappy and that the touch seems really

◼   ► good

◼   ► in a way that you know a lot of android

◼   ► stuff hasn't you know and in terms of

◼   ► tracking your finger and scrolling

◼   ► smoothly him but the exactly when in you

◼   ► know and this is what I thought and and

◼   ► you know is it my prejudice which would

◼   ► presupposition you know my bias before I

◼   ► came in my bias from the last eight

◼   ► months ever since they announced it is

◼   ► it just me reinforcing it or is it

◼   ► really the truth but it really felt like

◼   ► it as i used it which is this that the

◼   ► desktop the whole idea of having the

◼   ► desktop mode there it just sticks out

◼   ► like a sore thumb and I know that

◼   ► they're not letting anybody add you

◼   ► can't have third-party desktop apps

◼   ► right it's only the ones that are built

◼   ► in which is explorer ie which to me is

◼   ► really crazy that there's IE in metro

◼   ► and I that area and the office suite

◼   ► then introduced it none of that really

◼   ► seemed to perform well and it's not even

◼   ► just about like that the touch targets

◼   ► are small in office they actually you

◼   ► know like they've said they've done a

◼   ► pretty good job you know and i would

◼   ► have to say that a lot of the touch

◼   ► targets in office on the surface are at

◼   ► least as big as the touch targets in for

◼   ► example I photo for the ipad and iphone

◼   ► yet which has a lot of little finicky

◼   ► controls along the bottom but it really

◼   ► kind of felt like me though it just felt

◼   ► like when you're in that desktop mode it

◼   ► kind of felt like when you're at a kiosk

◼   ► in a museum and they know that they're

◼   ► just running some piece of craft ice

◼   ► cream thing you ever see that like I

◼   ► know there's some airlines a couple of

◼   ► the airline's like when you check in

◼   ► with their touch screen like when you do

◼   ► things you actually see the white

◼   ► windows arrow cursor appear right right

◼   ► yep

◼   ► russ played second before it uh it

◼   ► actually clicks through yep it you don't

◼   ► see that when you're using the

◼   ► touchscreen on the surface but it all it

◼   ► does kind of feel like that in the

◼   ► desktop not when you're using the native

◼   ► Metro apps but it just so walk

◼   ► why do you think they did because like

◼   ► this is the most confounding thing to me

◼   ► like I think i have my own thoughts on

◼   ► the surface without having played with

◼   ► that i think it's it's it's strange how

◼   ► much of the emphasis they're putting on

◼   ► the keyboard of it's just

◼   ► you know it's the same thing as a laptop

◼   ► essentially but i think that the real

◼   ► problem that Microsoft will have is this

◼   ► this weird dichotomy between the don't

◼   ► call it metro metro interface and the

◼   ► old-school interface and I don't know

◼   ► why

◼   ► well i dunno why there's no compromise

◼   ► right and quote unquote no compromise as

◼   ► to why they they merge the two together

◼   ► but how do people not understand because

◼   ► every review that I've read about it now

◼   ► is saying the same thing that you're

◼   ► saying like just the there's two big of

◼   ► a leap between the two of them so how in

◼   ► the years leading up to this development

◼   ► of this and just in the months leading

◼   ► up to the release of it

◼   ► how do people inside Microsoft who are

◼   ► playing with this thing day in and day

◼   ► out realize that they just shouldn't

◼   ► release that part of it just like either

◼   ► bring it on later postponed do something

◼   ► but like if it's just not up to par why

◼   ► are they doing that is it is it because

◼   ► they couldn't get office nailed for

◼   ► surface for Windows RT in particular I

◼   ► mean is that it really don't know i

◼   ► guess so i guess that's the idea i'm the

◼   ► only thing I can think of is that they

◼   ► didn't have time to do a true pure metro

◼   ► i'm just going to keep calling metro

◼   ► because it's such a convenient during a

◼   ► Purim metro office thing that's

◼   ► compatible which is that that

◼   ► compatibility across you know if

◼   ► everybody's on the same version of

◼   ► office than these files will just work

◼   ► that they couldn't do that and that this

◼   ► was what they had to do and they didn't

◼   ► think they could sell a product without

◼   ► office you know whether it's really

◼   ► based on actual market research and

◼   ► people wouldn't buy it or it's just

◼   ► their internal bias that you know

◼   ► windows and office forever

◼   ► I don't know but I do feel like I feel

◼   ► like as long as you've started with this

◼   ► at this starting point of we're going to

◼   ► do two surfaces and Intel one and an arm

◼   ► one and let's just concede for the sake

◼   ► of argument right now that that's a good

◼   ► idea

◼   ► I don't know everyone will see how it

◼   ► plans out but let if you start with that

◼   ► idea though

◼   ► then why not take the liberty of saying

◼   ► with the arm one were only going to do

◼   ► metro even if it doesn't have office to

◼   ► start because if all right hey we hear

◼   ► you if office is your thing

◼   ► bye

◼   ► this one the pro one yes exactly that's

◼   ► exactly right and that's so obvious and

◼   ► how why did they not do that I just it's

◼   ► very perplexing I don't rightly don't

◼   ► understand we hear you we know you love

◼   ► office we are we have all sorts of ideas

◼   ► for the future of office and we could

◼   ► not be working harder on it we have

◼   ► great stuff coming next year and the

◼   ► year after forearm but right now if if

◼   ► if office is a deal-breaker for you and

◼   ► we hear you we know that's why you

◼   ► didn't buy other competing tablets but

◼   ► here's the one you want this one and

◼   ► it's an intel-based system you know and

◼   ► it'll run officers you know i I just I

◼   ► don't know it does stick out a little

◼   ► bit

◼   ► the other thing i noticed was that the

◼   ► browser and then again this is something

◼   ► i had this was my my guests coming in

◼   ► and it's backed up by using him i used a

◼   ► lot of the browser and the hands-on area

◼   ► is it's just it like WebKit has passed

◼   ► IE it is you know if what are they even

◼   ► using what are what do they use this

◼   ► like it's some sort of you know that

◼   ► they've done with the IE rendering

◼   ► engine what Apple's done with WebKit is

◼   ► make a mobile touch version of it and

◼   ► it's not bad it is

◼   ► you know you know you can click and

◼   ► scroll but it's it's just not WebKit it

◼   ► reminds me of being a Mac user back in

◼   ► like 1999 2000 2001 when you know there

◼   ► are all sorts of reasons why stuck with

◼   ► the mac and i still thought the max

◼   ► brother better in many ways but web

◼   ► browsing clearly was not one that you

◼   ► were at second class citizen on the web

◼   ► even will wherever your favorite MAC web

◼   ► browser was you were not getting the

◼   ► fastest the highest fidelity rendering

◼   ► and that's what it feels like on surface

◼   ► like the big 12 me was I wanted to open

◼   ► something in a new tab so I saw a link

◼   ► to open an attachment that well what how

◼   ► do i do that and what's got to be tap

◼   ► and hold so I tapped him held and then

◼   ► nothing happened and I thought I don't

◼   ► know what to do and we just couldn't fit

◼   ► me in clayton moore so we just couldn't

◼   ► figure it out and then we asked a guy he

◼   ► said you just tap and hold we just

◼   ► weren't holding long

◼   ► enough and it just was like the amount

◼   ► of time you have to hold seems too long

◼   ► and there's a weird i don't know it's

◼   ► almost like a mode switch I don't know

◼   ► it's just the feel of it is off it just

◼   ► like you have to hold your finger there

◼   ► way too long to get that context menu up

◼   ► and then once you do it you can open a

◼   ► new tab and what about a third party

◼   ► apps were there any on on the one you

◼   ► played with i'm trying to think I try to

◼   ► think what counts as third-party they

◼   ► had the new skype but that's not third

◼   ► party because that's micros right now

◼   ► oh yeah they did have some third-party

◼   ► stuff they had like some media stuff

◼   ► they had like a new york times app I

◼   ► yeah they had to contend and I think it

◼   ► was a lot of media stuff too and this

◼   ► weird stuff to where they're just not as

◼   ► polished example so they had pre-loaded

◼   ► on it was the kindle app yeah they did a

◼   ► third party apps they had the kindle app

◼   ► pre-loaded but no books I that's kind of

◼   ► funny

◼   ► yeah but you know and that meant that we

◼   ► can I mean I'm not gonna put my right

◼   ► I'm not gonna log in with my amazon

◼   ► credentials on the demo unit on area

◼   ► right only get a certain number of

◼   ► devices ya and I'm not gonna lock one up

◼   ► on this but it just seems like a weird

◼   ► thing like this funny now and I got sure

◼   ► the i'm sure the menus on that can

◼   ► deliver great though they were you could

◼   ► just you could just tell how much work

◼   ► was put into those those a those menus

◼   ► no you couldn't see an actual book and

◼   ► you know the new york times app looked

◼   ► good it didn't look it wasn't quite as

◼   ► good as the the ipad one and it didn't

◼   ► have custom fonts like the ipad 1 which

◼   ► really brands that ipad new york times

◼   ► app is very new york times e because it

◼   ► shares the same font as the print

◼   ► edition Ron but it was it was nicer than

◼   ► reading the near it was you know just

◼   ► like with the you know what apps should

◼   ► be it was nicer than reading the New

◼   ► York Times in a web browser so what did

◼   ► you think of the keyboards that I I i

◼   ► just cannot i can't judge the touch one

◼   ► because it's is I'm just going to say

◼   ► that i didn't spend enough time but in

◼   ► the time that i did spend on it my

◼   ► typing was horrendous

◼   ► i typed way worse i typed fine on the

◼   ► on-screen keep so i tried three

◼   ► keyboards

◼   ► by the touch cover keyboard the one

◼   ► that's like magic capacitive hardware

◼   ► keyboard I tied the actual classic

◼   ► clicky keyboard cover and add the

◼   ► on-screen keyboard the on-screen

◼   ► keyboard was great i would say it was on

◼   ► par with ipad you know for on screen

◼   ► typing and in a way that all of the

◼   ► muscle memory I have from typing on an

◼   ► iPad carried right over and it was you

◼   ► know it was good i think windows phone

◼   ► has a good on-screen keyboard

◼   ► yeah and when i've used Windows Phone

◼   ► it's you know it has been very very

◼   ► friendly to my iphone i visualized

◼   ► thumbs so that's good i think that's

◼   ► when the clicky keyboard really nice i

◼   ► think i think that you did you know

◼   ► something like that you could sell for

◼   ► the ipad would be a huge hit it is seems

◼   ► like a very nice compromise between

◼   ► making it thick enough that the keys can

◼   ► actually move a little and keeping it

◼   ► thin enough that it's not making your

◼   ► tablet you know as thick as a notebook

◼   ► is it uh have you have used the logitech

◼   ► 14 logic than one for the ipad yes I in

◼   ► fact i did at I know you're a huge fan

◼   ► of that I got to use it at singleton and

◼   ► I'm drawing a blank on who the kind of

◼   ► is a well who r idea is a regular

◼   ► listener the talk show and I'm drawing a

◼   ► blank on your name but thank you for

◼   ► letting me try it and yeah it's nice its

◼   ► equivalent to that but it's a slicker

◼   ► it's a slicker integration with the way

◼   ► that you know that the microsoft one is

◼   ► magnetizes and you don't know you go

◼   ► through bluetooth pairing or anything

◼   ► like that

◼   ► ok that it's nice and what about the the

◼   ► thing at the but like it has the touch

◼   ► element at the bottom-right the trackpad

◼   ► stuff

◼   ► yeah when you have it on you get a mouse

◼   ► cursor on screen mouse cursor just

◼   ► appears on screen when it's connected

◼   ► and and you know you have a trackpad I

◼   ► thought the one on the the clicky

◼   ► keyboard cover worked better than the

◼   ► one on the touch one I thought the touch

◼   ► when it was I thought I don't know to me

◼   ► it's a funny demo but it really doesn't

◼   ► seem like a good product

◼   ► I just wasn't good for typing for me but

◼   ► maybe if you're used to it you maybe if

◼   ► you give it a long time you get used to

◼   ► it but am i right in thinking that you

◼   ► still can't rest your hands on the keys

◼   ► your fingers on the keys with the touch

◼   ► one itsy

◼   ► I ran into some problems with that it's

◼   ► it's definitely not that you can't you

◼   ► know you can do it and sometimes it just

◼   ► sometimes it would register touches and

◼   ► sometimes it wouldn't and I think you're

◼   ► supposed to be able to rest your fingers

◼   ► on it but I was definitely running into

◼   ► problems and I was absolutely missing

◼   ► like the big problem I was having it's

◼   ► just missing letters and the other thing

◼   ► too

◼   ► here's the big thing for me is that

◼   ► here's the big thing for me is that

◼   ► typing on the keyboard one is exactly

◼   ► what you think you're just typing on it

◼   ► you know a relatively small but like

◼   ► ipad style clicky keyboard and i did

◼   ► just fine

◼   ► typing on the actual screen just like

◼   ► with iOS and like Windows Phone it does

◼   ► a lot of auto correction work as your

◼   ► type in and it's always trying to make

◼   ► suggestions and it's using a dictionary

◼   ► and it's doing a really smart job and

◼   ► there's an animation when it does when

◼   ► it in you know sees that i spelled you

◼   ► know sigler sigl ER it knows that you're

◼   ► in my contact dictionary and takes a

◼   ► guess that i wanted i wanted to put an

◼   ► extra in there to get your name right

◼   ► and you see a little animation nice nice

◼   ► the thing that i found was using the

◼   ► touch keyboard the touch cover keyboard

◼   ► it treats it like a hardware keyboard

◼   ► where it's not in that aggressive auto

◼   ► correct mode and I really needed it to

◼   ► be like I was you know i would type the

◼   ► new year

◼   ► I wouldn't be teenagers I would just get

◼   ► th and the e wasn't even there

◼   ► ah that's an interesting point because

◼   ► that seems like it makes some sense

◼   ► because the touch keyboard is

◼   ► essentially a soft keyboard like you

◼   ► would find on a screen but they've made

◼   ► it of an actual tangible product and

◼   ► it's right in between a fit the actual

◼   ► physical keyboard and the the soft yeah

◼   ► we're on screen right so you think they

◼   ► just obviously decided to go with it

◼   ► being more like the the nice actual

◼   ► keyboard rather than the on-screen one

◼   ► but they should have probably done it

◼   ► more like the on-screen with software

◼   ► exactly that is a perfect encapsulation

◼   ► when I was trying to say and maybe they

◼   ► can fix that and software maybe it you

◼   ► know they can just sort of switch to

◼   ► that mode and get into that and there is

◼   ► a clear advantage to that if they could

◼   ► get it to work out which is that when

◼   ► you're using an on-screen keyboard on a

◼   ► tablet half the screen is covered by the

◼   ► keyboard whereas you for using the

◼   ► softcover you know you have the whole

◼   ► screen available

◼   ► you got it really needs that I think it

◼   ► needs to be treated software-wise like a

◼   ► software keyboard where we're going to

◼   ► guess that you're going to make a lot of

◼   ► mistakes and you know even the logitech

◼   ► one with ios6 now they do the the

◼   ► autocorrection element in this

◼   ► 42 even with physical keyboard and its

◼   ► really nice I mean you know you're not

◼   ► gonna make it nearly as many typing

◼   ► mistakes

◼   ► yeah using the physical keyboard but

◼   ► they still do the software on aspect

◼   ► yeah I'm actually not sure why they

◼   ► don't why they do turn that off for the

◼   ► keyboard i guess the ideas i don't know

◼   ► i guess that if you're annoyed you know

◼   ► if you really are typing something you

◼   ► want to be precise that autocorrect is

◼   ► I'm gonna work you know if you're typing

◼   ► code or something like that

◼   ► I'm I don't know existed but it didn't

◼   ► it didn't it i don't know i wouldn't go

◼   ► after Justin a half an hour if I were

◼   ► going to buy 1i would get the clicky

◼   ► keyboard and that's and it's expensive

◼   ► right it's like a hundred and sometimes

◼   ► yeah but it's not that much more

◼   ► expensive than the touch one the touch

◼   ► one day expensive you know and it just

◼   ► seems like another case of Microsoft not

◼   ► making a decision for you but letting

◼   ► you make the decision to close to

◼   ► telling you what's best

◼   ► all right letting you figure out what's

◼   ► best and Iran date have with the with

◼   ► the pricing right the cheapest one does

◼   ► not come with a keyboard at all but then

◼   ► i have bundles that start coming with

◼   ► them right right but it's the touch one

◼   ► I believe

◼   ► yeah i think so i think they're they

◼   ► seem to be kind of pushing the touch one

◼   ► and i kind of i am in my experience

◼   ► tinkering around with an hour i think

◼   ► they're going the wrong way on that I

◼   ► feel like if you want to keyboard and

◼   ► you're going to buy an expensive cover

◼   ► that you know relatively expensive cover

◼   ► that combines the cover with the

◼   ► keyboard

◼   ► I don't know I feel like if you're that

◼   ► into typing you want that clicky

◼   ► one-armed I never let her definitely

◼   ► makes a better first impression because

◼   ► anybody goes into one of these microsoft

◼   ► stores to buy one is not if you're going

◼   ► to spend last time with it than I did

◼   ► and it is you know if I didn't do that

◼   ► well on the touch cover typing I don't

◼   ► see how a typical consumer would compare

◼   ► to the clicky 1i have heard good things

◼   ► about the kickstand itself and how much

◼   ► you played with that yeah it's just it

◼   ► seems good it's there the old one and

◼   ► only hit and I and it was funny because

◼   ► I thought it and I just other people

◼   ► coming out it just seemed like everybody

◼   ► was saying the same thing was that and

◼   ► it seems like one of those things that

◼   ► the strikes through the first five

◼   ► minutes to use it and maybe once you

◼   ► know then you get used to it it's not a

◼   ► problem but there's only a little little

◼   ► tick mark for your like fingernail to go

◼   ► into separate it it's only on the one

◼   ► side

◼   ► it ok so if you go to the 1i think it's

◼   ► you know if you're facing the screen

◼   ► it's on the right i think behind it and

◼   ► it's really easy just kind of stick your

◼   ► thumb nail in there and give it a little

◼   ► little flick and it just pops right out

◼   ► and if you go to the other side it's

◼   ► like you can't get it open but I think

◼   ► once you realize that you go to this

◼   ► side to do it would and you know it is

◼   ► it absolutely does feel very

◼   ► well-crafted and it feels like something

◼   ► that is built to last that if he buy one

◼   ► and use it all the time eight months

◼   ► from now the kickstand is still gonna

◼   ► click open and click shut and stay shut

◼   ► its yeah it does seem that you know

◼   ► seems good

◼   ► what about the hardware itself that i've

◼   ► heard mixed reviews of people who played

◼   ► with that of this like they say the the

◼   ► quality of the build is nice but it's

◼   ► too bulky is that is that fair do you

◼   ► think it's hard to say because I was

◼   ► already three days into using my ipad

◼   ► mini trip right what did feel exact

◼   ► opposite of writing felt a little heavy

◼   ► but it felt roughly ipad shaped I i

◼   ► guess the other thing that really struck

◼   ► me i had built quality was good and you

◼   ► know Intendant maybe not quite well i

◼   ► would say definitely not quite Apple

◼   ► quality it doesn't seem like that

◼   ► magnesium whatever they call it it does

◼   ► take that actually i think it's called

◼   ► yeah they ripped you off edge I

◼   ► definitely send you one they ripped off

◼   ► in here i'm marco wrote this when his

◼   ► store impressions is it feels like super

◼   ► nice plastic it is technically a metal

◼   ► but it feels like really good plastic

◼   ► and that's not even necessarily bad i

◼   ► love the polycarbonate plastic whatever

◼   ► they call it that Nokia is using on the

◼   ► Lumias it's really really high quality

◼   ► stuff i wouldn't be surprised if someday

◼   ► Apple you know put out a thing that uses

◼   ► something that is technically a plastic

◼   ► and plastic doesn't necessarily mean

◼   ► junkie right but it's you know it's just

◼   ► not maybe not quite as nice

◼   ► Marco also had the comment and i agree

◼   ► with that were by putting all these

◼   ► extra ports on it it it jumps up the

◼   ► feel of it it makes it right it has a

◼   ► u.s. USB poor SD cards if yeah I think

◼   ► it does

◼   ► yeah yeah yeah you know Apple obviously

◼   ► they actually made a point with this

◼   ► with this this latest revision to the to

◼   ► the regular ipad right that they now

◼   ► have even more peripherals to be able to

◼   ► they actually gave me a few of them to

◼   ► debt to test out like an SD card reader

◼   ► the Lightning to SD card reader

◼   ► lightning to USB you know that's that's

◼   ► a little bit of the of annoyance if

◼   ► you're going to use I guess an SD card

◼   ► reader USB all the time but how often

◼   ► are you

◼   ► I mean I never use any of that stuff

◼   ► with the ipad so I don't know it just

◼   ► seems like a little but it's you know

◼   ► that's what maybe that's what appeals to

◼   ► the people who don't want to buy an ipad

◼   ► those they want to ensure even if they

◼   ► aren't going to end up using it they

◼   ► wanted their other thing that really

◼   ► struck me is it always strikes me when I

◼   ► use a 69 tablet is that it seems like it

◼   ► only ever wants to be used in landscape

◼   ► holding it in portrait just seems so

◼   ► yeah it looks weird it looks with from

◼   ► the the pictures I've seen it looks like

◼   ► it's it's like almost top-heavy that

◼   ► you're going you know you need to you're

◼   ► like it getting ready to ride on a

◼   ► surfboard and it just looks like a

◼   ► really weird format to read something

◼   ► like a magazine or a book where I always

◼   ► hold it on my iPad hold it in portrait

◼   ► and it just seems like you're so off

◼   ► from the proportions of a regular piece

◼   ► of paper or book that it just seems way

◼   ► too skinny and you know look at the way

◼   ► you know that's got this built-in

◼   ► kickstand that only works in one right

◼   ► right

◼   ► it just seems like it wants to be held

◼   ► that way as opposed to the ipad sort of

◼   ► i don't even care if you hold it upside

◼   ► down sort of at ambivalence towards how

◼   ► you hold it

◼   ► that was the other thing that's that

◼   ► struck me about the surface

◼   ► I know you got to assume but i do i'm

◼   ► going to have one more thing I want to

◼   ► talk about forestall stuff but before I

◼   ► sure let me do my the second sponsor and

◼   ► super excited that to have this app on

◼   ► board it's check the weather check the

◼   ► weather app for your iphone yet I don't

◼   ► know

◼   ► oh man this is I i recommend i recommend

◼   ► this weather at blonde before it became

◼   ► a sponsor the show as soon as I saw it I

◼   ► fell in love with it the guy behind

◼   ► David Smith

◼   ► as a longtime listener and fan of the

◼   ► talk show and the way he he describes

◼   ► the apt to me is just perfect he's he's

◼   ► got five points he wants to make clear

◼   ► accurate fast beautiful layered and it's

◼   ► all of those things you look at it and I

◼   ► gotta snap you know what's going on

◼   ► where you are you have detailed hourly

◼   ► forecast information for what's going to

◼   ► want go on the rest of the day and you

◼   ► have a nice little overview of what's

◼   ► going to go on in the next few days and

◼   ► the other thing that he wanted to solve

◼   ► by making this app is to stop having to

◼   ► check more than one app just to sort of

◼   ► get the gist of what you want to know

◼   ► about the weather and the big one with

◼   ► that is dark sky which is the app that

◼   ► lets you see a is it going to rain the

◼   ► next hour or so and so how much how

◼   ► strong and what you know what's the the

◼   ► precipitation radar map look like

◼   ► so here's the best news about that the

◼   ► guys at dark sky in addition to making a

◼   ► very good app they have an API that

◼   ► other apps can subscribe to and that's

◼   ► what check the weather uses so you open

◼   ► the app you've got what's going on if

◼   ► you want to do a sort of dark sky Taipei

◼   ► is it gonna rain soon and what's the

◼   ► what's the radar look like you just

◼   ► swipe up from the bottom and you've got

◼   ► a detailed precipitation forecast

◼   ► near-term precipitation forecasts and

◼   ► you've got a beautiful weather map which

◼   ► i happen to like a lot better than the

◼   ► dark sky maps because the colors in the

◼   ► dark sky map I can't tell the difference

◼   ► between water and precipitation in the

◼   ► air it's just beautiful one of the other

◼   ► things it's beautiful out this app and

◼   ► love the typography really really

◼   ► opinionated strong bold typography using

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◼   ► not to your liking the version 1.1 added

◼   ► options to use future or helvetica they

◼   ► look great too

◼   ► and even better version 1.2 coming soon

◼   ► submitted not yet available in the App

◼   ► Store as i speak but i've been using the

◼   ► beta and it's just great is a universal

◼   ► app for the iphone and the ipad this is

◼   ► my favorite weather app I used it all

◼   ► last week during the whole hurricane

◼   ► sandy thing I was opening this app I

◼   ► don't know every 20-30 minutes and it

◼   ► was just great i get it in the app store

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◼   ► at check the weather dot co that's dot

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◼   ► let's check the weather dot co / the

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◼   ► support the talk show and support great

◼   ► great individual and independent app

◼   ► developers so again check the weather

◼   ► dot co / the talk show and again putting

◼   ► the done they're just shows you that

◼   ► this is this is that a developer who

◼   ► knows the show knows that I paid for

◼   ► that doesn't want it used to check them

◼   ► out and thank them very much I thank

◼   ► them very much by this app and help

◼   ► support the talkshow best way you can

◼   ► support the talk show by this app so

◼   ► forestall and then we'll get we'll get

◼   ► out here right so this is this is big

◼   ► bombshell were you surprised i will say

◼   ► that i was not armed

◼   ► I was surprised at the timing of it but

◼   ► I was not surprised overall just

◼   ► everything that I've heard in the past

◼   ► year or so has been that things were

◼   ► eventually going to come to this horse

◼   ► or the other way right that there needed

◼   ► to be some kind of resolution of sort of

◼   ► the internal conflicts within the within

◼   ► the company and I don't know if you read

◼   ► the thing today i think it was i did da

◼   ► all things D talking about more of the

◼   ► information of why mansfield went from

◼   ► retiring to not retiring now i'm back

◼   ► for two years

◼   ► No supposedly they are according to

◼   ► their sources and I haven't heard this

◼   ► directly but that mansfield had an

◼   ► actual real beef with forestall as well

◼   ► and he wasn't going to

◼   ► se me or him but that the fact that

◼   ► forestall is now out led to him directly

◼   ► coming back in full force

◼   ► huh yeah the way I've put it to people

◼   ► is I was surprised but not shocked you

◼   ► know and you know and and somebody on

◼   ► Twitter and pointed this out and I do

◼   ► think it's I think it may be really be

◼   ► very it sounds a little glib but i think

◼   ► it actually might be kind of insightful

◼   ► is that this might be the first major

◼   ► situation with Apple wear this wouldn't

◼   ► have happened if Steve Jobs was still

◼   ► around

◼   ► yeah right i mean they had the same they

◼   ► had the same design aesthetic taste

◼   ► right

◼   ► and obviously this was this guy from

◼   ► next they've been together for a long

◼   ► time and yeah that I never didn't get

◼   ► along with the other executives it was

◼   ► ok under steve because that's the sort

◼   ► of thing that Steve had a true genius

◼   ► for a gift

◼   ► was I making it just putting it all

◼   ► together bring you know you're all that

◼   ► matters is that you guys are all

◼   ► talented and very very smart and I will

◼   ► make this work I my personality you know

◼   ► this is the perfect of students here are

◼   ► his personality i should say is so

◼   ► strong was so strong that it could patch

◼   ► over any personality clashes from the P

◼   ► anybody under him because his own his

◼   ► personality was just so dominant and

◼   ► yeah out that there's there's just you

◼   ► know and i don't think it's an

◼   ► indictment of tim cook i think it right

◼   ► an acknowledgement again speaks to jobs