22: Chewbacca Does It Again, with MG Siegler
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one of the things that made me think
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brad bird is number 1 i'm a big fan of
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all of his movies I can't think of a
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single one that I didn't enjoy but the
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other thing is that he has a track
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record of jumping into somebody else's
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thing and and sticking with it you know
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he did a Mission Impossible movie that
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is just a pure Mission Impossible movie
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i think the best one since the first one
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yeah i agree on a famously he took over
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ratatouille after somebody else that it
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wasn't his movie at Pixar somebody else
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had it and and everybody decided this
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isn't working out and he took over it at
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a you know late in the game and did well
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and that's obviously what somebody's
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gonna have to do to make a new star wars
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movie not necessarily that takeover and
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a half of boarded movie but you're
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coming into a series right yeah but i
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mean that that person whoever it is will
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have a much easier time than it would
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appear on the surface just because I
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mean I don't know about the people you
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know you you chat with on Twitter and
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stuff and but everyone there was like
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universal acclaim for the fact that
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George Lucas will only be a creative
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consultant on these things I mean I
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think everyone can agree that the the 13
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range from suck too bad and so you know
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it's big shoes to fill but it's also i
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think you know the kind of starting with
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a clean slate or they can they can do
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what they want so do you think what do
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you think they're going to do for these
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star wars things because so they went
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from George Lucas's obviously on record
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as saying that this was it they're never
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gonna do another one like he absolutely
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said no we're not going to do it and
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then you know things change people
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people acquire other entities and those
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entities have other ideas for what to do
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but there's all this you know there's
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the surrounding universe of Star Wars
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all those books comics etc do they use
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any of that or do they just come up with
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completely new things now I i say they
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go with completely new stuff I think
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I've always and I and I know there's
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probably a ton of listeners out there
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who who are going to disagree but
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my opinion is always been that the
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movies are the only cannon in Star Wars
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yeah and any other stuff is that just it
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may have the official logo on it but
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it's fanfiction right because i never
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got into i read the first one because i
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was so excited when the first novel came
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uh-huh ah because it was unlike 99% sure
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yeah I think I've got the timing right
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on this where empires are not Empire
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return of the jedi comes out in 1983 and
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then Lucas is okay i'm done with these
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star wars movies for now and right you
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know and it did that was the only time
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it really late eighties was the only
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time r star wars really kind of faded
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away where there was no new stuff at all
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right in the nineties they said ok we're
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going to start some new stuff and ate
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the first thing they did was
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commissioned a novel and it was terrible
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it was so bad and you know what was it
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was it an extension of uh of regalia
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jetta it took place immediately have to
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return of the jedi and it's about this
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guy named Grand Admiral something is
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like some kind of alien Admiral in the
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in the Empire and he was holding what
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was left of the empire together and and
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and I guess what i really hated about it
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was it was just one number one just
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wasn't that compelling number two it was
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a just well what do you know
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once again the entire fate of the galaxy
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comes down to Han Solo Princess Leia and
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Luke Skywalker all right right Adrian
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and I got the impression then after you
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know I never read any other stuff but i
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can write I'd often pick up the back of
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them those novels and see what it is and
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it's just a series of you know 40
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different incidents where the entire
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galaxy comes down to the fate of hunt so
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uh yeah that's a I you know it's sort of
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the James Bond movies right so there are
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what was it up until I forget you'll
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know this which one was it was derived
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from an actual even Fleming novel but
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they obviously had to break away from
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that because they just ran out of novels
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doing it I i forget the last one that
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was based on anything it's one of the
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ones in the seventies one of the Roger
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so they eventually had to move on and
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just come up with new stories and they
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also have I think the same thing where
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they have people doing fanfiction and
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doing their own like James Bond things
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so it's not as big don't think it's the
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star wars element of it but yes so now
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the movies are just they hire great
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screenwriters well sometimes mediocre
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sometimes it's it's the cast on the
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screenwriter on strike but they try and
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hire great screen writers to write these
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things just just from scratch and i
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think that works pretty well yeah i
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think so too and you know obviously you
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know the end and again they went back to
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in fleming source material for casino
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royale right and did I think a fantastic
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job of modernizing it you know because
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it was you know that the geopolitics of
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the novel written 1959 don't exactly
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hold up anymore right
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I've heard the new one is is excellent
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Ivan Ivan Ivan voided reading any major
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review of it but the bugs seems to be
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excellent buzz yeah I've actually heard
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I mean exactly with you where I've I
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almost didn't even want to watch the
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trailer but I did and I'm glad I did
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because it wasn't a spoiler trailer that
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that that no modern format of trailer
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with we condense the entire plot into
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the 2-minute I wasn't like that at all
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too true teaser trailer but the thing
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i've heard is that there are people
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saying that this seriously could be like
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a best-picture movie I don't know about
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that i mean i was almost too good to
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wish for but it that somebody would even
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seriously or even have seriously
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suggested says to me all I need to know
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will have your burden is always a you
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know an actor in some category he seems
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to be in every year being nominated for
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something so in this is movie this year
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so you know maybe yeah I you know I I
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just an old adage I don't even you know
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i'm sure it distributed to 30 different
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directors but that ninety percent of
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directing is casting on and i do think
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that a lot of the bad James Bond movies
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have been really poorly cast word so you
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don't even know any of the other guys
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who are in there and I can't even name
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the actors i visit a hell of a cast
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right you get Javier Bardem you got it
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isn't rape refined in this yeah ray
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fridays in it and i have no idea what he
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is and don't have nobody tell me because
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i have no idea they get it was
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apparently a big secret
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good guys and bad guys the traders ii
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who knows but you know what can they
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have have you ever seen the movie
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perfume this kind of strange movie and I
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have that's about it's a weird series
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like killer with killer with a great
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sense of spell movie but it's an
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interesting movie is a it's like a
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quirky thing but anyway that that guy's
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i think is also in the James fun and
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he's I don't think I'm spoiling anything
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because it isn't the teaser thing where
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he's plays a the new quartermaster
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yeah yeah I know I knew that yeah he's
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like yeah and I are gonna write that
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ya know i love the idea i love the idea
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that q is that the dynamic now is going
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to be that he's young he's like a
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twenty-something you know nerd
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yeah as opposed to being way older than
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bond now he's way younger than one
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yeah well you're going back to the star
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wars and here's the thing i remember
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this is why I'm not surprised that that
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there's a 789 that Lucas and I don't
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think it's a bad idea that Lucas has an
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outline form i think an outline from
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Lucas is exactly it's great because you
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know he's done the outline of what he's
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done for the original six movies is fine
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right it's the execution exactly in the
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dialogue just keep your eye on its
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overhead right and it's just no surprise
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that that with Empire Strikes Back he
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didn't write the screenplay did the
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story and then they went to Lee bracket
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who wrote those great nineteen forties
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Humphrey Bogart movies which were almost
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entirely the entire appeal of them was
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ok so that's you know I think that's a
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great direction but here's the thing i
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remember is when I was a kid it was so
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hard to get information because you know
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there was no internet and you would get
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these I remember I beg and plead and get
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my mom to buy these crazy magazines at
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the supermarket these movie magazines
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you know like things like fangoria i
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think was one yeah right you know and
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most of it was just filled and I liked
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it all but most of it was filled with
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you know like a seven-page thing on how
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they did the makeup for American
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Werewolf in London which is kind of
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interesting how they do makeup and how
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they do special effects and stuff like
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that but then that's where i would get
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tidbits of rumors about Star Wars and my
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friends and I would just buy these
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assume them just to try to get the
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rumors about Star Wars and i remember
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back and this is you know early eighties
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maybe even before return of the jedi
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came out that we knew we'd is like a
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good eight nine ten year old kid I knew
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that there were going to be nine movies
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and that the first three words the you
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know these three that the next three
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we're going to take place before right
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we knew i knew in 1983 that how did will
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be our how did Anakin Skywalker turned
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into Darth Vader had a lightsaber duel
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with obi-wan Kenobi and got knocked into
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a pit of lava I'm I knew that when I was
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nine and isolated what do i do lily is
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kind of abandoned that when he and his
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most heinous recent interviews not
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recent but a few years ago and write
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about the second trilogy ye bandhan just
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burnt out or was you think I don't know
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my best guess is he just wanted people
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to shut up about it stop asking you
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and so he always knew he wanted to make
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nine but as soon as he finished the
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second three he just said there aren't
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going to be any more because it's a good
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way to get people to stop asking him
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when there's gonna be more storms yeah
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another thing that wasn't brought up
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yesterday he is still in the process of
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doing like the 3d transformation all
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these right wasn't in the works
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yes because i went to see the phantom
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menace in 3d with with the with my son
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and I think the other ones haven't
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haven't come out haven't come out yet
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right so i assume that that's still in
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the works unless they unless Phantom
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Menace I don't know how well it did if
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it didn't do well and it wasn't worth
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the time and money to to i read great
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did it was like middling it did like a
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hundred and five million at the box
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office in a reissue which was you know
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it's a hundred five million box with
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right that right that I wonder how much
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yeah but it wasn't like a sensation yeah
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one you know one other interesting point
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on that is someone I saw brought up and
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it's just kind of a nice parallel i
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think they said that uh mark hamill will
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be the same age as alec guinness was in
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the original Star Wars when this new
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2015 Star Wars comes out really kind of
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area to the whole parallel or is
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outguess younger than I
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I think yeah I think he was 60 sometime
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yeah yeah I think that's right i think
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that's what they said i think it was
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Mark Hamill I don't know he always
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looked all I've always thought that was
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one of those continuity things that just
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doesn't seem to add up is that how old
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you and mcgregor looks at the end of
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episode three when he's handing over
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baby Luke to the family where I compared
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to and was it 19 years later 20 years
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later in the nineteen or twenty years
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later when when the next one picks up
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the right right looks like he had over
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yeah I've always having my back of my
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mind I've always thought I was gonna do
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to commission some sort of parody thing
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that I thought it would be funny that
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you know in this question of hey why not
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in those intervening 20 years why did
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Yoda and obi-wan go into hiding rather
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than like try to kick some ass around
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the galaxy right in my I always thought
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the funniest explanation would be that
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he he just drank himself sick and that
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can happen and you know like that's why
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he knows you can see it as a good look
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yeah that's a lie like that I like that
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because it really does seem like he's
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headed very a really rough 20 years
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well and ewan mcgregor did a good job of
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the voice stuff right like he's he did a
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fantastic job he's constantly mimicking
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Alec Guinness his voice and yes just
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like they could have done a little bit
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more makeup work yes and in the third
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one to show him slowly deteriorating
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I well remember when they were
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originally casting the new trilogy one
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of the rumors was that kenneth branagh
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was up for the role of obi-wan Kenobi
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ok so even closer in age than at least
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liked for the Aged discrepancy right and
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i think that the guy i think the
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explanation was that he had read Lucas
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reconsidered how big of a span he wanted
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to cover and wanted to have a truly
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young obi-wan in the first one you know
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like I don't know how old he was but he
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was supposed to know you still a Padawan
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and right he has a rat tail so it's
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probably like you know right yeah 20 but
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i think though that kenneth branagh
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would have been it would have made the
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continuity feel more by the end of the
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three movies would have made it feel a
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again it's about 20 years before Alec
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Guinness so do you think with these new
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ones you think they do continuation or
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all new characters I mean they'll have
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to do some obviously tions to the to the
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previous original trilogy right i really
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don't know and that was the one thing
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yeah and and there do you see the thing
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that came out today that mark hamill
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said in an interview that George Lucas
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had told that had lunch with him and
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Carrie Fisher a year ago and told them
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like a year ago and said look you can't
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tell anybody but I'm going to do three
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more movies and I guess there was
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nothing interview interview that said I
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alright it just he just said I just like
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you guys should know because it's gonna
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come out you know it's gonna come out
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eventually I wanted you guys to know
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that and they're going to be sequels
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that take place later but I you know
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whether it's 20 30 years and those
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characters are still alive or whether
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it's you know thousand generations or
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something like that I don't know
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yeah well if they want to I mean the
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every indication by disney now is that
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they want to keep keep this going
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indefinitely almost like a James Bond
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type thing where you know even new one
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every few years so if they do that then
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I assume they start pretty soon after
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the the original trilogy and then just
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keep going into the future and trying to
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make compelling characters right be kind
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of cool if it was just like rumored you
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know like that there's this guy Luke
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Skywalker's I don't know I definitely
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think it could be it's very yet I feel
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like it could be great and I but I feel
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like the worst thing would be if it's
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you know Lucan land and I I can't
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imagine Harrison Ford want anything to
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do with it and right now Luke and Leia
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and Chewbacca save the galaxy again
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okay yeah pretty exciting
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yeah I'm surprised I'm kind of so i
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don't know i mean obviously I've never
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met George Lucas but I'm just surprised
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it from what I thought about him that
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just you know I guess he wants to get
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into charity and I guess if you're gonna
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write you can do that me know if that's
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really where your passion is you know it
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just doesn't make sense to me
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he clearly has yet I think he's ok he's
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already billionaire right from from all
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those movies like he his big thing was
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that he did such a good job of the
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the cutting the deals to get the
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merchandising rights right i mean that's
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very made most of his money off of off
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of all the Star Wars movies and the
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movies themselves made you know over a
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billion dollars but that's small
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compared to what they make on the toy
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sales and all that other stuff and so
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yeah he clearly didn't need the money to
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do it but maybe don't know maybe feels
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like Disney will be a good shepherd I
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mean Bob Iger seems to be awesome at
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cutting these these types of deals I i
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actually just want to take him at his
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word and that he you know he wasn't
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going to make anymore he wants us to
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stay evergreen and you who better to has
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a better track record of keeping
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franchises a live decade after decade
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than disney right you know and have done
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a very good job with the muppets they've
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done a good job with that
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well marvel it's hard to judge so far
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that's right it's too early but they've
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done a good job so far with those films
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and they do a great job with the
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merchandising which has always been so
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important to start were so right
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yeah it's a good fit yeah very exciting
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as i said i tweeted this and couple a
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lot of people retweeted it and it does
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it weirds me out is that it is going to
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be really weird to have a Star Wars
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movie open without the 20th century five
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yeah yeah I wonder do they did they
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retain any sort of Rights for like Co
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distribution of any future properties no
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okay and it's different with Indiana
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Jones paramount has anything if they do
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anything with Indiana Jones it's gonna
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have to be with paramount cooperation
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ok on in some degree or they have to buy
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them out they are there's something that
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have to buy up and our warriors and
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that's because like Spielberg it's that
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this is so incestuous right so
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Spielberg's Amblin group had a deal with
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paramount back then when they were doing
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that and then Kathleen Kennedy was his
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production partner and now Kathleen
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Kennedy is the president of a Lucasfilm
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at disney so it's like all these things
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are tied together directly i didn't
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think about that i didn't put those that
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her name together there
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yeah the three of them are all like yeah
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Lucas spill Bergen in kathleen kennedy
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obviously have been closed for a long
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time and now that's all sort of related
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so I don't know but everybody but 20th
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Century Fox has nothing going forward
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with the new trilogy the only thing that
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they have and it is fascinating is the
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20th Century Fox has perpetual rights
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into infinity for the original 1977 star
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wars a new hope for the distribution of
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it all that's interesting day they have
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Empire and return of the jedi until like
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20 20 or something like that and I don't
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think they end the new ones they were
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just you know Lucas was in a position of
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power where they they were just
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something must they must be pushing them
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to do this 3d stuff because they want to
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squeeze as much money before 2020 or
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whatever it is they can out of this
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yeah i think so and that the idea was
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that once these other three movies are
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done figured 2015 given two for each
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year two years reach 2015 17 19 that by
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2020 it would be nice to be able to buy
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a 9 movie box set but that it would
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never be possible without either buying
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20th Century Fox's rights for that
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original 1977 one or doing it in
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cooperation with them that's that you
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know that's that's interesting when
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thinking about the james bond series
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again right because uh who is it it
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might make me paramount that owns the
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rights to one I think it's thunderball
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and that's why they redid the night that
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bond movie in the eighties with with
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Connor e-learning never seen ya never
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say never again because that's the only
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one they own the rights to that's the
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only one that the the broccoli family
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doesn't have complete rights to it i
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yeah it's a very it I i really got
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obsessed with that a while ago is when
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Dan Benjamin and I were going through
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all the james bond movie and we decided
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to treat it as one because the honorees
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and it's a bond movie
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yeah it's like he had agreed to do a
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teleplay Ian Fleming I'm wasn't a James
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Bond story i don't think it was just a
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spy caper for like the BBC television
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with a co-writer yeah and it fell
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through never happened and he took the
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guts of the story which was just the
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terrorist organization steals a nuclear
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bomb by hijacking by having a trader on
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a a pilot Air Force pilot because a
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trader for this terrorist group and
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that's how they get ahold of a nuclear
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bomb and they just want to ransom it off
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ok good story but he took it and made it
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into a bond novel and the litigation
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started and it was all ongoing and the
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broccoli group went ahead and made a
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movie out of thunderball anyway even
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though they had some of their advisors
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are saying maybe we shouldn't do this
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one to keep you know let's do another
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one he's already got 60 these novels
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don't do thunderball yet because there's
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this legally questionable weird anyway
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and it was a huge hit i mean it was you
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know is i might have been making the
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biggest it might have been the biggest
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one because it was the fourth one and
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Goldfinger was was one of a kind of
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broke through as a sensation and
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thunderbird is just an unbelievable
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follow-up Ron and it was like more of a
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spectacular in terms of the effects with
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all the underwater fighting and stuff it
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was I get people were going back to see
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it again and again because they were
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seeing things in everything but anyway
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they ended up losing the litigation and
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lost money on it and and that the gist
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of it was that both Fleming and the
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original guy got co-writes to the
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Thunderbolt James Bond thunderball story
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so the broccoli group if they wanted to
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could make a new do it fireball it but
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there's this other group at you know i
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think you're right that it's paramount
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could do it to like they could still
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make any they still could make a James
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Bond movie if it follows the plot and I
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think they were I believe that almost
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happened in the nineties when they were
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in between the Dalton and bras and stuff
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i think that a group was exploring
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rebooting before gold and I came out for
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paramount or whoever the other studio is
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but yeah it would've had to use that
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same they're just gonna remake it every
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10 years I guess Nam and so I wonder if
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with with Star Wars now since since 20
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Century Fox owns those the rights to the
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first one if they do like a remake of a
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new hope with like six year old mark
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hamill and I don't know if you that
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would be it would be interesting if they
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have the right to do whatever they want
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like that or just the rights to
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the movie as it was made you know you
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got me interested yeah I don't know
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fascinating stuff though really is yes
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us all right let's do that the nerd why
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that's nerd stuff too but that one their
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stuff right actually quite a bit of
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applications now the Apple the ipad mini
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ipad for seems like everybody did what I
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did it seems i didn't really discuss
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with anybody but I i had to review units
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from apple and an ipad 4 and iPad Mini
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yep i spent all week with the ipad mini
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and i use the ipad for free like 15
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minutes just did you not give it a kick
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kick the tires run some benchmarks and
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as I get it just like the ipad 3 about
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yeah that the problem is I don't know if
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you ran into this like I was trying to
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test the the fourth-generation iPad and
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it the ipad 3 is already so fast for
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every app that I try to run it's just
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like it's hard to gauge I think you know
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things load faster generally but it's I
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mean it was already loading so fast so
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we're really gonna have to wait for
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developers to come up with kind of crazy
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apps to take advantage of the a6x and
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and the new graphics capabilities and
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we're just not there yet
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yeah aiight i saw a demo of one kind of
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during the briefing thing of of game
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that was specifically built for the new
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technical capabilities and looked
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amazing you know different lens flares
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and all kinds of different things going
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on graphically but yeah it's it's really
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it was really pretty hard to to try to
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review this fourth-generation iPad since
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it is you know for all intents and
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purposes a an ipad 3 s right
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yes and it's true too because you know
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that the games were already out there
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they're the developers aren't going to
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target hardware beyond what's already
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out there so anything that's already am
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store is meant to run well on the ipad 3
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yep or at least on the ipad 3 if not
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even older ipad so did you know that
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I've had for is going to use you know go
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through that without even breaking a
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yeah so yeah I think we all i think i
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saw that too that pretty much everyone
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roped in there just a quick mention
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about the the ipad fortune in their ipad
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mini review yeah but i really like
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did the ipad mini I really all I think I
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you know I'm gonna take a lot of shit
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for saying that but I think I like it
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more each day like the more I just use
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it just seems to be a much more natural
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way to just interact with them with a
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tablet seems like it and I I'd feeling I
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would feel that way given my thoughts
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about the nexus 7 the form factor in
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general and it just seems like Apple had
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an opportunity to really nail this form
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factor and I think they did I wanted two
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things that struck me i didn't put in my
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review but and i actually just saved it
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for the show cuz it it anyway sound
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better than it would read better but it
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took me feels like more of a pad like
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the your word pad fits better here
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whereas the full-sized iPad is more of a
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tap tablet seems like the right word
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right like this big thing that Moses
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came down the mountain with a big tablet
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yeah that's that's a good way to put it
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i agree with that this feels more like a
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pattern i know people have been
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comparing it to like you know the weight
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to like a pad of paper at it they are
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very similar it's you know it's even
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smaller than like a mosque in notebook
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or doing a bigger normal skin notebook
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right on probably equivalent to like the
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the more pocket-sized moleskin notebook
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it really just pad feels like the right
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word and I do feel like this is sort of
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the natural especially for someone and i
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really emphasize this as someone who
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still has and wants to have a portable a
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real portable laptop computer like a
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macbook air macbook pro or something
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like that as a secondary portable
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computer this seems like a better form
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yeah and I think that's why you know
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some people are already questioning well
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how does this fit into the lineup I mean
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you know you got an ipad already why
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someone would buy this
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I do think that'll that more people are
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going to end up buying an ipad mini I
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mean I know it's it's early and and who
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knows how this will actually play out
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especially given the price element of it
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but this just seems like the thing that
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people will want especially the people
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that you're talking about which is most
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people most people already have a
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computer of course and so they're
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wondering like why should i get an ipad
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when I already have a computer maybe
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i'll get an ipad you know when my
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computer dies or something like that but
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this is a pretty natural transition
◼
►
point to have both so yeah that's why I
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think that this thing maybe soon as next
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quarter could end up about selling the
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the iPad itself i really i think for the
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holiday quarter i really do and part of
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the reaction and it's one basing it on a
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sample size of one almost nine year old
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boy but there is a note no doubt in my
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mind that if you sent if you gave my son
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400 bucks put them in the apple store
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and so you can buy whatever i pod you
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want our iPad well whatever you want 400
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bucks i think there's no doubt in my
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mind that he would buy the ipad mini
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this is no question he wouldn't know how
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is he so that's I'm pretty interested in
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that because i have no real a data point
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there yet in terms of like kids using it
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so that's a huge thing for the iPad
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itself and everyone knows this by now
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but what about the ipad mini with kids
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like how did your son use I wanted to
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play games on it and you know and he
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does he does read he reads it does I
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books on his ipad is an old think it's a
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first gen ipad actually the one that we
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have been around that's for him to use
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►
but it's definitely pretty resonant
◼
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either a one or two but it always has
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surprised me that he uses it less than
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his old last generation Knockaround
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iphone that we given he plays more games
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has played can you know consistently
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more games on an iphone then on an iPad
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even when it's not because we were out
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it out about and that's what was easy to
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take form it's in the house when he's on
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the couch and he's just playing games he
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likes that because i think that the the
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weight of the idea is a it just feels
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like work whereas he really likes the
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size of this is like what you know is
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his take was I can't believe they didn't
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make them all like this so yeah I wrote
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in my review and I think I'm not it i'm
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►
not a huge gamer by any stretch but it
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seems like when i was playing some of
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the just testing out some of the
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different ipad optimized games on this
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►
ipad mini this seems like an absolute
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killer gaming device like I don't know
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►
why people would still buy an xbox or
◼
►
you know obviously there's going to be
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►
with more better graphics capabilities
◼
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and you know some more involved games
◼
►
but for casual gaming this is an
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absolute killer device for that it's
◼
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like the perfect size and it almost
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►
feels like these games were tailored for
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an ipad this size rather than the larger
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size because like where your hands are
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situated and you know you have well you
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►
don't have a you know the side bezel now
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►
really on the when you're holding it in
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►
portrait mode in landscape mode you
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still have that and it's just it seems
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►
like a really awesome gaming machines
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►
yeah i think so too i really do think
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that in some ways maybe it's more of a
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►
devastating competitive move to nintendo
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and Joanie yes then it is to google and
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amazon you know because especially with
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isn't nintendo I you know I haven't seen
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too much about it but I know it's coming
◼
►
out the wii u their new gaming systems
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►
they're gonna be first to market of the
◼
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next-generation gaming system with this
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wii u thing in I mean it's sort of not
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too different from what the ipad mini is
◼
►
doing right it's like the handheld
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touchable hold it with two hands type
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thing and i think that i mean this is
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this is going to be huge for for kids it
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►
gaming and for just people like casual
◼
►
games now I don't count nintendo out
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cause I'm a huge fan of Nintendo's work
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and I think they really do sweat the
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details and and in an apple-like way
◼
►
about getting gameplay right buttons
◼
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right into that but I just think that
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the ipad could risk taking so much
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►
oxygen out of the room that there
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►
there's not enough left for nintendo no
◼
►
matter how good the product they come
◼
►
yeah and I mean we this gets brought up
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every every quarter at least but how
◼
►
awesome would it be if Apple just bought
◼
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nintendo I mean it would be it would be
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►
such a great selling point for these
◼
►
devices it makes sense for Apple to do
◼
►
because that's that's will get people
◼
►
specifically just to buy an ipad mini to
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►
be able to play mario and zelda and
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►
those and those types of IP it seems
◼
►
like Nintendo like the reports out of
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Japan they're very proud company
◼
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obviously they don't want to do that but
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Apple has the money of course to do it
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and it's just a question of what it
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►
would it work could they make it work
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and would it make sense to maybe keep
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them get them out of the hardware game
◼
►
and keep them is like into almost
◼
►
content game you know just focus on
◼
►
making games will make the devices you
◼
►
focus on your library you know almost
◼
►
again like Star Wars this great library
◼
►
of classic characters and games and
◼
►
innovative new stuff that's really
◼
►
really super engaging yeah and i think
◼
►
that they would avoid what you know what
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►
would be the pitfall of potential
◼
►
pitfall of this which is that you know
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►
well apples moving into gaming now
◼
►
everyone else watch out but the gaming
◼
►
environment is such a big thing and this
◼
►
is worked well for nintendo in the past
◼
►
and all these other guys they make their
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►
games everyone makes their own games but
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then they have the larger ecosystem and
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it's kind of like pushing the envelope
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for nintendo's always been good at at
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setting a new high bar and kind of the
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other guys trying to to match it and
◼
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apple could do the same thing with their
◼
►
own gaming studio under nintendo if they
◼
►
did that or if they worked out some kind
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of deal you know maybe they want to
◼
►
require you to do some kind of the
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►
essence in deal where they encourage
◼
►
them to you know somehow do we
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►
exclusively producing yeah stuff might
◼
►
have to imagine that all of those guys
◼
►
have been talking about this for years
◼
►
and microsoft sony well maybe not
◼
►
something i don't know what the rivalry
◼
►
like is its with sony and nintendo maybe
◼
►
they hate each other but Microsoft
◼
►
certainly had to have has to have
◼
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constantly been approaching intended to
◼
►
try and make those games available on
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►
xbox because it's such a gold mine right
◼
►
well it's two hands they have number one
◼
►
they have nintendo has tremendous talent
◼
►
yes I mean then consistently you know
◼
►
they just have great great game
◼
►
designers and artists and the second
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►
thing i have is this library of
◼
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characters which as that the Marvel
◼
►
acquisition and the star wars
◼
►
acquisition show has unbelievable value
◼
►
I mean then you know that's been long
◼
►
enough that you know there's no doubt
◼
►
that these guys like Mario and Donkey
◼
►
Kong and those guys are you know maybe
◼
►
they're not quite at the level of the
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Disney characters like Donald Duck and
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Mickey and those guys but they're very
◼
►
very close and maybe I would be
◼
►
surprised if in Asia their greater yeah
◼
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oh yeah that's it i would be surprised
◼
►
either a disney tries to acquire a
◼
►
nintendo I we may write in their
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►
wheelhouse know and that definitely
◼
►
seems like their strategies if you
◼
►
not evergreen ensemble of these
◼
►
characters that were a no and its family
◼
►
and their family friend friendly than
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yeah no doubt about it ok with the game
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►
I think of and I don't play enough games
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to really to be a great judge of it but
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I know the one game i sometimes like to
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play as the real racing games on ipad
◼
►
and it's it's I think it's definitely
◼
►
better on the mini no doubt in my mind
◼
►
because it's you know it's just far less
◼
►
to hold out in front of you i mean your
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arms are sticking straight up and then
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you know doing this thing where you're
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turning the screen with a pound and a
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►
half vs. you know seven-tenths of Amelia
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it's right you know it's a huge
◼
►
difference so I do think that gaming
◼
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alone i think ipad mini and so is going
◼
►
to be a hit and so let's talk about the
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screen that's obviously I mean every
◼
►
review had to say it because it's just
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straight in front of you anyone who's
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used retina display for extended period
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the larger point is that most people
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this is still a great display it's just
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really that was my first I was just
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using the other ipad i wanted to you
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know most people normal people are going
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to more than one ipad that they use so i
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just use the mini for a week and I got
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used to it but i also am clearly i am
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very self aware that I am far more
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obsessed with screen resolution
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resolution than most people and also
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specifically with the rendering of type
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how to recognize Ariel from the
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normal people don't know where normal
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people just don't see that big a
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very very well maybe even surprisingly
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well at 399 alongside the retina iPad
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stores for the last seven months seeing
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the ipad 2 right next to the retina iPad
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threes and saying WOW 399 I'll take this
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yeah and I tried to get some sort of
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answer out of Apple about that they they
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won't give you anything specific but it
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seems like certainly education comes
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into play there are you know they're
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they're selling the cheaper versions and
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they I think they sell them at a
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discount right if they if they sell them
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in bulk and so education is a part of
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that but yeah there's no question that
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they're selling the ipad 2 for a reason
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even though they discontinued the
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third-generation ipad right like rather
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than doing fourth-generation move the
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ipad 3 down to the 399 price they just
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killed that off and now they're just
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doing the ipad 2 and so that says all
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you need to know right there that
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obviously it had to have been selling
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well and so its existence proof that
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right now today you do not need a Retina
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display and an ipad to sell well yeah
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it's you know it would be nice and
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surely eventually whether it's a year
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from now or 18 months from now or two
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years from now there's going to be an
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ipad mini with retina display it just is
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right as rain you know I'm sure it's you
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know night follows day but and that's
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going to be great and I'm going to love
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it and I'm going to be so happy but in
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the meantime there's absolutely no
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reason that this isn't going to continue
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to sell really well and I think the ipad
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to you know whether Apple did
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intentionally or not it's it made the
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timing of this ipad mini pretty perfect
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because had there been nothing but a
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Retina Display ipad out there first so
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the four and three the downgrade would
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have been much more dramatic but the
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fact that they are still selling the two
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you know they don't have to come in with
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a product that's the that's really
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downgrade in anyway it's just it's a
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better ipad2 right it's not a it's not a
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hope I came in on a red-eye from the
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west coast after the apple thing and
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after being in LA to record last week's
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uh-huh but i was so happy that they
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invited me and I really didn't want to
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miss it because i really wanted to see
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it and I'm really am glad that I went I
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haven't been to a microsoft event before
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so before you get into that let me let
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me bring up something here because it's
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fascinating that that you that they
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I've heard specifically now from a few
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different people that they do not want
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um and I've heard that from internally
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within the company like their advocate
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you have friends there and stuff we're
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trying to see if I could do it just you
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know either door viewer just play around
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with it whatever and they do not want me
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to have one and I don't know if that
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speaks to the fact that obviously they
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think i'm going to be biased in some way
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shape or form but I mean they should
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understand that if i take a shit on it
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and then it ends up being a good device
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exactly thats really everybody doesn't
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get right and it's I have to be honest
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about it so I don't know what they're
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afraid of or whatever it is and I've had
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a fine relationship with Microsoft in
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the past they just seemed to not want me
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to have this device I just saw the same
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thing with harry mccracken review of the
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ipad mini 4 time and somebody in the
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comments or on Twitter was like wow what
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a surprise another positive review of an
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apple device and time five in a row and
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and McRae's responses will look at those
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five devices are in hindsight are they
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good devices i think i'm actually think
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that you know I've done a good job i've
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called it is you know accurately these
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have been great device it's so
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ridiculous right and into Google's
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credit they're great at this like they
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know that I'm not the biggest android
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fan in the world but they still sent me
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all these units to try it try out see
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what I think about it and you know they
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seem to appreciate at least my take on
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it whether or not they agree with it
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home and your your nexus 7 review was
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actually very very positive and unite
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active is going to be right right yeah
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yeah so it's good to hear that Microsoft
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invited you to the event that they're
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not blackballing all of us if they are
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black by me i don't know i I've heard
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this a couple times now to believe it to
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be true but on this edition they should
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reread what you write and well like when
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I say if they think I'm fair they should
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i think they should have a similar
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opinion of you honestly
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well anyway it sounds it easily I don't
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know he's a fan of daring fireball but
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at least that sandusky read it and and
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respects it yeah uh it was so i want to
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write about it but like that and i'm
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kinda it's kinda off the clay but it's
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just been such a busy week that I
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haven't gotten around to it yet but just
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off the cuff that the gist of it was so
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interesting to me because it was except
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everyone just think about it from a PR
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standpoint of a product marketing
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standpoint what a tough position
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neighbor in where they wanted to in vail
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two things they wanted to unveil the new
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operating system which is for all these
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ecosystem partners and they want to do
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unveiled their own surface device which
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competes with those partners like how do
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you do that and one of that right and so
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with the weight without having to events
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the same day that's that's what I found
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the morning was like a reverse apple
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event ten o'clock the doors open you
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come in and you do your registration and
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the first thing you have is a big hands
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on area with all of these devices from
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acer and asus and samsung and HP and
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dell think paso you you try them out
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before they talk about the first thing
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you do is come in and add you know is a
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nice to not bigger in a coffee and juice
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and stuff like that but all these hands
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on things and and you know just anything
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that was ready on day one was there and
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very few desktops there was like one or
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I'm a Kish ask all-in-one desktops but
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almost entirely tablets and convertible
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tablets you know any any way that you
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can imagine that there's a way to secure
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a touchscreen tablet to a keyboard dock
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there's one that was there i mean
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everyone I can't even I was saying I was
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walking around with Clinton Morris from
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Fox and we were seriously trying to
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think of what else could there even
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conceivably be you know one's that snap
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together there were ones that had is so
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awkward to me there's like a frame like
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think of a window frame and it connects
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in the middle so use pivot it it like
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spins around so you can close it back up
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with the keyboard and the keyboard is
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there underneath it but the screen is
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you don't understand i mean like imagine
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the last hour of yeah I don't think that
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one's I forget who made that 1i i want i
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think is DOA I mean it's really weird
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first you have the hands-on then about
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an hour in they had the big keynote and
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you know and it was kind of again
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opposite of Apple where they had nothing
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new to announce because that's just the
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net and that's not a fault that's just
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the nature of being a provider of us
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os/2 these partners they had to have
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announced everything in advance
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otherwise there'd be no one who did it
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wouldn't be any hardware available so
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they just it was just a way of
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reiterating what Windows 8 is all about
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and they talked about what it does and
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then they started talking about here is
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some of the great devices that are here
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you know one by one you know started
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showing them and showing what's
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interesting about this one about that
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one and then at the very end they did
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they see you know they got two and now
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you know finally you know for the first
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time we have windows running on arm
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systems and here's to great ones and it
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microsoft surface so they didn't even in
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that first event didn't even hold the
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surface up unlike a slide on screen or
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on stage by itself once they did it
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alongside that thing from Asus shared
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the stage an embalmer came out and and
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did his thing and and then that was it
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and then we broke for lunch so it was
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hands-on first then the keynote then we
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broke for lunch and after lunch
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it was like a Stoli separate event it
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was the same press invitations it wasn't
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yet you know i had to have a separate
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invitation but they had a second keynote
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that was first and i even did it in a
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different room that had this whole big
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Pere in New York and they even did the
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keynote in a different room that was a
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little bit smaller and this time it was
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mostly Sinofsky and it was all about
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surface so that's that almost it sounds
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like okay we're putting the kids to bed
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yeah that's yeah totally exactly yeah we
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put the kids event now it's now it's
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serious and then we got out of that
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keynote then they'd opened up a separate
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different hands-on area that had nothing
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but surfaces and plenty of them and as
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many I mean like they were they had I
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think if anything they had more keyboard
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covers than surfaces because I guess
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they wanted you to be able to try both
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uh-huh so they did not i do not have one
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they did not get one as I can review
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unit but i had spent at least I don't
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know in our plan with it so initial
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thoughts without spoiling a any anything
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going to write about it what would you
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actually think of it it's it is not
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designed for me sorry really tried to
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see I'm trying to keep an open mind
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about it though but I you know it's not
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bad and and it's good in some of the
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ways that Microsoft has always been good
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where it's a lot of it does feel very
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snappy and that the touch seems really
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in a way that you know a lot of android
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stuff hasn't you know and in terms of
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tracking your finger and scrolling
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smoothly him but the exactly when in you
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know and this is what I thought and and
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you know is it my prejudice which would
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presupposition you know my bias before I
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came in my bias from the last eight
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months ever since they announced it is
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it just me reinforcing it or is it
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really the truth but it really felt like
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it as i used it which is this that the
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desktop the whole idea of having the
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desktop mode there it just sticks out
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like a sore thumb and I know that
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they're not letting anybody add you
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can't have third-party desktop apps
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right it's only the ones that are built
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in which is explorer ie which to me is
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really crazy that there's IE in metro
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and I that area and the office suite
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then introduced it none of that really
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seemed to perform well and it's not even
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just about like that the touch targets
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are small in office they actually you
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know like they've said they've done a
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pretty good job you know and i would
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have to say that a lot of the touch
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targets in office on the surface are at
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least as big as the touch targets in for
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example I photo for the ipad and iphone
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yet which has a lot of little finicky
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controls along the bottom but it really
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kind of felt like me though it just felt
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like when you're in that desktop mode it
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kind of felt like when you're at a kiosk
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in a museum and they know that they're
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just running some piece of craft ice
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cream thing you ever see that like I
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know there's some airlines a couple of
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the airline's like when you check in
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with their touch screen like when you do
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things you actually see the white
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windows arrow cursor appear right right
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russ played second before it uh it
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actually clicks through yep it you don't
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see that when you're using the
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touchscreen on the surface but it all it
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does kind of feel like that in the
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desktop not when you're using the native
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Metro apps but it just so walk
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why do you think they did because like
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this is the most confounding thing to me
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like I think i have my own thoughts on
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the surface without having played with
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that i think it's it's it's strange how
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much of the emphasis they're putting on
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the keyboard of it's just
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you know it's the same thing as a laptop
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essentially but i think that the real
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problem that Microsoft will have is this
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this weird dichotomy between the don't
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call it metro metro interface and the
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old-school interface and I don't know
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well i dunno why there's no compromise
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right and quote unquote no compromise as
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to why they they merge the two together
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but how do people not understand because
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every review that I've read about it now
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is saying the same thing that you're
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saying like just the there's two big of
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a leap between the two of them so how in
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the years leading up to this development
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of this and just in the months leading
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up to the release of it
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how do people inside Microsoft who are
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playing with this thing day in and day
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out realize that they just shouldn't
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release that part of it just like either
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bring it on later postponed do something
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but like if it's just not up to par why
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are they doing that is it is it because
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they couldn't get office nailed for
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surface for Windows RT in particular I
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mean is that it really don't know i
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guess so i guess that's the idea i'm the
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only thing I can think of is that they
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didn't have time to do a true pure metro
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i'm just going to keep calling metro
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because it's such a convenient during a
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Purim metro office thing that's
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compatible which is that that
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compatibility across you know if
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everybody's on the same version of
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office than these files will just work
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that they couldn't do that and that this
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was what they had to do and they didn't
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think they could sell a product without
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office you know whether it's really
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based on actual market research and
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people wouldn't buy it or it's just
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their internal bias that you know
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windows and office forever
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I don't know but I do feel like I feel
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like as long as you've started with this
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at this starting point of we're going to
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do two surfaces and Intel one and an arm
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one and let's just concede for the sake
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of argument right now that that's a good
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I don't know everyone will see how it
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plans out but let if you start with that
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then why not take the liberty of saying
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with the arm one were only going to do
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metro even if it doesn't have office to
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start because if all right hey we hear
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you if office is your thing
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this one the pro one yes exactly that's
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exactly right and that's so obvious and
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how why did they not do that I just it's
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very perplexing I don't rightly don't
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understand we hear you we know you love
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office we are we have all sorts of ideas
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for the future of office and we could
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not be working harder on it we have
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great stuff coming next year and the
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year after forearm but right now if if
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if office is a deal-breaker for you and
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we hear you we know that's why you
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didn't buy other competing tablets but
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here's the one you want this one and
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it's an intel-based system you know and
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it'll run officers you know i I just I
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don't know it does stick out a little
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the other thing i noticed was that the
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browser and then again this is something
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i had this was my my guests coming in
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and it's backed up by using him i used a
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lot of the browser and the hands-on area
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is it's just it like WebKit has passed
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IE it is you know if what are they even
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using what are what do they use this
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like it's some sort of you know that
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they've done with the IE rendering
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engine what Apple's done with WebKit is
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make a mobile touch version of it and
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you know you know you can click and
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scroll but it's it's just not WebKit it
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reminds me of being a Mac user back in
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like 1999 2000 2001 when you know there
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are all sorts of reasons why stuck with
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the mac and i still thought the max
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brother better in many ways but web
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browsing clearly was not one that you
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were at second class citizen on the web
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even will wherever your favorite MAC web
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browser was you were not getting the
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fastest the highest fidelity rendering
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and that's what it feels like on surface
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like the big 12 me was I wanted to open
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something in a new tab so I saw a link
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to open an attachment that well what how
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do i do that and what's got to be tap
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and hold so I tapped him held and then
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nothing happened and I thought I don't
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know what to do and we just couldn't fit
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me in clayton moore so we just couldn't
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figure it out and then we asked a guy he
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said you just tap and hold we just
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enough and it just was like the amount
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of time you have to hold seems too long
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and there's a weird i don't know it's
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almost like a mode switch I don't know
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it's just the feel of it is off it just
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like you have to hold your finger there
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way too long to get that context menu up
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and then once you do it you can open a
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new tab and what about a third party
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apps were there any on on the one you
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played with i'm trying to think I try to
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think what counts as third-party they
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had the new skype but that's not third
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party because that's micros right now
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oh yeah they did have some third-party
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stuff they had like some media stuff
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they had like a new york times app I
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yeah they had to contend and I think it
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was a lot of media stuff too and this
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weird stuff to where they're just not as
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polished example so they had pre-loaded
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on it was the kindle app yeah they did a
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third party apps they had the kindle app
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pre-loaded but no books I that's kind of
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yeah but you know and that meant that we
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can I mean I'm not gonna put my right
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I'm not gonna log in with my amazon
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credentials on the demo unit on area
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right only get a certain number of
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devices ya and I'm not gonna lock one up
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on this but it just seems like a weird
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thing like this funny now and I got sure
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the i'm sure the menus on that can
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deliver great though they were you could
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just you could just tell how much work
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was put into those those a those menus
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no you couldn't see an actual book and
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you know the new york times app looked
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good it didn't look it wasn't quite as
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good as the the ipad one and it didn't
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have custom fonts like the ipad 1 which
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really brands that ipad new york times
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app is very new york times e because it
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shares the same font as the print
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edition Ron but it was it was nicer than
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reading the near it was you know just
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like with the you know what apps should
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be it was nicer than reading the New
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York Times in a web browser so what did
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you think of the keyboards that I I i
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just cannot i can't judge the touch one
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because it's is I'm just going to say
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that i didn't spend enough time but in
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the time that i did spend on it my
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typing was horrendous
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i typed way worse i typed fine on the
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on-screen keep so i tried three
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by the touch cover keyboard the one
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that's like magic capacitive hardware
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keyboard I tied the actual classic
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clicky keyboard cover and add the
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on-screen keyboard the on-screen
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keyboard was great i would say it was on
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par with ipad you know for on screen
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typing and in a way that all of the
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muscle memory I have from typing on an
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iPad carried right over and it was you
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know it was good i think windows phone
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has a good on-screen keyboard
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yeah and when i've used Windows Phone
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it's you know it has been very very
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friendly to my iphone i visualized
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thumbs so that's good i think that's
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when the clicky keyboard really nice i
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think i think that you did you know
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something like that you could sell for
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the ipad would be a huge hit it is seems
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like a very nice compromise between
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making it thick enough that the keys can
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actually move a little and keeping it
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thin enough that it's not making your
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tablet you know as thick as a notebook
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is it uh have you have used the logitech
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14 logic than one for the ipad yes I in
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fact i did at I know you're a huge fan
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of that I got to use it at singleton and
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I'm drawing a blank on who the kind of
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is a well who r idea is a regular
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listener the talk show and I'm drawing a
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blank on your name but thank you for
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letting me try it and yeah it's nice its
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equivalent to that but it's a slicker
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it's a slicker integration with the way
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that you know that the microsoft one is
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magnetizes and you don't know you go
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through bluetooth pairing or anything
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ok that it's nice and what about the the
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thing at the but like it has the touch
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element at the bottom-right the trackpad
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yeah when you have it on you get a mouse
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cursor on screen mouse cursor just
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appears on screen when it's connected
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and and you know you have a trackpad I
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thought the one on the the clicky
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keyboard cover worked better than the
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one on the touch one I thought the touch
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when it was I thought I don't know to me
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it's a funny demo but it really doesn't
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seem like a good product
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I just wasn't good for typing for me but
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maybe if you're used to it you maybe if
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you give it a long time you get used to
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it but am i right in thinking that you
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still can't rest your hands on the keys
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your fingers on the keys with the touch
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I ran into some problems with that it's
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it's definitely not that you can't you
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know you can do it and sometimes it just
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sometimes it would register touches and
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sometimes it wouldn't and I think you're
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supposed to be able to rest your fingers
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on it but I was definitely running into
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problems and I was absolutely missing
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like the big problem I was having it's
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just missing letters and the other thing
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here's the big thing for me is that
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here's the big thing for me is that
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typing on the keyboard one is exactly
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what you think you're just typing on it
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you know a relatively small but like
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ipad style clicky keyboard and i did
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typing on the actual screen just like
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with iOS and like Windows Phone it does
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a lot of auto correction work as your
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type in and it's always trying to make
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suggestions and it's using a dictionary
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and it's doing a really smart job and
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there's an animation when it does when
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it in you know sees that i spelled you
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know sigler sigl ER it knows that you're
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in my contact dictionary and takes a
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guess that i wanted i wanted to put an
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extra in there to get your name right
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and you see a little animation nice nice
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the thing that i found was using the
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touch keyboard the touch cover keyboard
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it treats it like a hardware keyboard
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where it's not in that aggressive auto
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correct mode and I really needed it to
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be like I was you know i would type the
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I wouldn't be teenagers I would just get
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th and the e wasn't even there
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ah that's an interesting point because
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that seems like it makes some sense
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because the touch keyboard is
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essentially a soft keyboard like you
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would find on a screen but they've made
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it of an actual tangible product and
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it's right in between a fit the actual
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physical keyboard and the the soft yeah
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we're on screen right so you think they
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just obviously decided to go with it
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being more like the the nice actual
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keyboard rather than the on-screen one
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but they should have probably done it
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more like the on-screen with software
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exactly that is a perfect encapsulation
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when I was trying to say and maybe they
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can fix that and software maybe it you
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know they can just sort of switch to
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that mode and get into that and there is
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a clear advantage to that if they could
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get it to work out which is that when
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you're using an on-screen keyboard on a
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tablet half the screen is covered by the
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keyboard whereas you for using the
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softcover you know you have the whole
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you got it really needs that I think it
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needs to be treated software-wise like a
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software keyboard where we're going to
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guess that you're going to make a lot of
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mistakes and you know even the logitech
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one with ios6 now they do the the
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autocorrection element in this
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42 even with physical keyboard and its
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really nice I mean you know you're not
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gonna make it nearly as many typing
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yeah using the physical keyboard but
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they still do the software on aspect
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yeah I'm actually not sure why they
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don't why they do turn that off for the
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keyboard i guess the ideas i don't know
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i guess that if you're annoyed you know
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if you really are typing something you
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want to be precise that autocorrect is
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I'm gonna work you know if you're typing
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code or something like that
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I'm I don't know existed but it didn't
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it didn't it i don't know i wouldn't go
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after Justin a half an hour if I were
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going to buy 1i would get the clicky
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keyboard and that's and it's expensive
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right it's like a hundred and sometimes
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yeah but it's not that much more
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expensive than the touch one the touch
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one day expensive you know and it just
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seems like another case of Microsoft not
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making a decision for you but letting
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you make the decision to close to
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telling you what's best
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all right letting you figure out what's
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best and Iran date have with the with
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the pricing right the cheapest one does
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not come with a keyboard at all but then
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i have bundles that start coming with
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them right right but it's the touch one
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yeah i think so i think they're they
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seem to be kind of pushing the touch one
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and i kind of i am in my experience
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tinkering around with an hour i think
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they're going the wrong way on that I
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feel like if you want to keyboard and
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you're going to buy an expensive cover
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that you know relatively expensive cover
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that combines the cover with the
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I don't know I feel like if you're that
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into typing you want that clicky
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one-armed I never let her definitely
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makes a better first impression because
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anybody goes into one of these microsoft
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stores to buy one is not if you're going
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to spend last time with it than I did
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and it is you know if I didn't do that
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well on the touch cover typing I don't
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see how a typical consumer would compare
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to the clicky 1i have heard good things
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about the kickstand itself and how much
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you played with that yeah it's just it
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seems good it's there the old one and
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only hit and I and it was funny because
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I thought it and I just other people
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coming out it just seemed like everybody
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was saying the same thing was that and
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it seems like one of those things that
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the strikes through the first five
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minutes to use it and maybe once you
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know then you get used to it it's not a
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problem but there's only a little little
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tick mark for your like fingernail to go
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into separate it it's only on the one
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it ok so if you go to the 1i think it's
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you know if you're facing the screen
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it's on the right i think behind it and
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it's really easy just kind of stick your
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thumb nail in there and give it a little
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little flick and it just pops right out
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and if you go to the other side it's
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like you can't get it open but I think
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once you realize that you go to this
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side to do it would and you know it is
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it absolutely does feel very
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well-crafted and it feels like something
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that is built to last that if he buy one
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►
and use it all the time eight months
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►
from now the kickstand is still gonna
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click open and click shut and stay shut
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its yeah it does seem that you know
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►
what about the hardware itself that i've
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heard mixed reviews of people who played
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with that of this like they say the the
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quality of the build is nice but it's
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too bulky is that is that fair do you
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►
think it's hard to say because I was
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already three days into using my ipad
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mini trip right what did feel exact
◼
►
opposite of writing felt a little heavy
◼
►
but it felt roughly ipad shaped I i
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guess the other thing that really struck
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me i had built quality was good and you
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►
know Intendant maybe not quite well i
◼
►
would say definitely not quite Apple
◼
►
quality it doesn't seem like that
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►
magnesium whatever they call it it does
◼
►
take that actually i think it's called
◼
►
yeah they ripped you off edge I
◼
►
definitely send you one they ripped off
◼
►
in here i'm marco wrote this when his
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►
store impressions is it feels like super
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►
nice plastic it is technically a metal
◼
►
but it feels like really good plastic
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►
and that's not even necessarily bad i
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►
love the polycarbonate plastic whatever
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►
they call it that Nokia is using on the
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►
Lumias it's really really high quality
◼
►
stuff i wouldn't be surprised if someday
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►
Apple you know put out a thing that uses
◼
►
something that is technically a plastic
◼
►
and plastic doesn't necessarily mean
◼
►
junkie right but it's you know it's just
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►
not maybe not quite as nice
◼
►
Marco also had the comment and i agree
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with that were by putting all these
◼
►
extra ports on it it it jumps up the
◼
►
feel of it it makes it right it has a
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►
u.s. USB poor SD cards if yeah I think
◼
►
yeah yeah yeah you know Apple obviously
◼
►
they actually made a point with this
◼
►
with this this latest revision to the to
◼
►
the regular ipad right that they now
◼
►
have even more peripherals to be able to
◼
►
they actually gave me a few of them to
◼
►
debt to test out like an SD card reader
◼
►
the Lightning to SD card reader
◼
►
lightning to USB you know that's that's
◼
►
a little bit of the of annoyance if
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you're going to use I guess an SD card
◼
►
reader USB all the time but how often
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►
I mean I never use any of that stuff
◼
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with the ipad so I don't know it just
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►
seems like a little but it's you know
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►
that's what maybe that's what appeals to
◼
►
the people who don't want to buy an ipad
◼
►
those they want to ensure even if they
◼
►
aren't going to end up using it they
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►
wanted their other thing that really
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►
struck me is it always strikes me when I
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use a 69 tablet is that it seems like it
◼
►
only ever wants to be used in landscape
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►
holding it in portrait just seems so
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►
yeah it looks weird it looks with from
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the the pictures I've seen it looks like
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it's it's like almost top-heavy that
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you're going you know you need to you're
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like it getting ready to ride on a
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surfboard and it just looks like a
◼
►
really weird format to read something
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like a magazine or a book where I always
◼
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hold it on my iPad hold it in portrait
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and it just seems like you're so off
◼
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from the proportions of a regular piece
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of paper or book that it just seems way
◼
►
too skinny and you know look at the way
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you know that's got this built-in
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kickstand that only works in one right
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it just seems like it wants to be held
◼
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that way as opposed to the ipad sort of
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i don't even care if you hold it upside
◼
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down sort of at ambivalence towards how
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that was the other thing that's that
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struck me about the surface
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I know you got to assume but i do i'm
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going to have one more thing I want to
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talk about forestall stuff but before I
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fell in love with it the guy behind
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talk show and the way he he describes
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the apt to me is just perfect he's he's
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got five points he wants to make clear
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accurate fast beautiful layered and it's
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all of those things you look at it and I
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where you are you have detailed hourly
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have a nice little overview of what's
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going to go on in the next few days and
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the other thing that he wanted to solve
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by making this app is to stop having to
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check more than one app just to sort of
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get the gist of what you want to know
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about the weather and the big one with
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that is dark sky which is the app that
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lets you see a is it going to rain the
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next hour or so and so how much how
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strong and what you know what's the the
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precipitation radar map look like
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guys at dark sky in addition to making a
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very good app they have an API that
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other apps can subscribe to and that's
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what check the weather uses so you open
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the app you've got what's going on if
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you want to do a sort of dark sky Taipei
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is it gonna rain soon and what's the
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what's the radar look like you just
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swipe up from the bottom and you've got
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a detailed precipitation forecast
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near-term precipitation forecasts and
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you've got a beautiful weather map which
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i happen to like a lot better than the
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dark sky maps because the colors in the
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dark sky map I can't tell the difference
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between water and precipitation in the
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air it's just beautiful one of the other
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things it's beautiful out this app and
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love the typography really really
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opinionated strong bold typography using
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a great font idlewild from from our
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friends at half learn for Jones if it's
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options to use future or helvetica they
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submitted not yet available in the App
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beta and it's just great is a universal
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app for the iphone and the ipad this is
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my favorite weather app I used it all
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last week during the whole hurricane
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sandy thing I was opening this app I
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don't know every 20-30 minutes and it
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forestall and then we'll get we'll get
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out here right so this is this is big
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bombshell were you surprised i will say
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I was surprised at the timing of it but
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I was not surprised overall just
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everything that I've heard in the past
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year or so has been that things were
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eventually going to come to this horse
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or the other way right that there needed
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to be some kind of resolution of sort of
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the internal conflicts within the within
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the company and I don't know if you read
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the thing today i think it was i did da
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all things D talking about more of the
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information of why mansfield went from
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retiring to not retiring now i'm back
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No supposedly they are according to
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their sources and I haven't heard this
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directly but that mansfield had an
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actual real beef with forestall as well
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and he wasn't going to
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se me or him but that the fact that
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forestall is now out led to him directly
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coming back in full force
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huh yeah the way I've put it to people
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is I was surprised but not shocked you
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know and you know and and somebody on
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Twitter and pointed this out and I do
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think it's I think it may be really be
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very it sounds a little glib but i think
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it actually might be kind of insightful
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is that this might be the first major
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situation with Apple wear this wouldn't
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have happened if Steve Jobs was still
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yeah right i mean they had the same they
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had the same design aesthetic taste
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and obviously this was this guy from
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next they've been together for a long
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time and yeah that I never didn't get
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along with the other executives it was
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ok under steve because that's the sort
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of thing that Steve had a true genius
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was I making it just putting it all
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together bring you know you're all that
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matters is that you guys are all
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talented and very very smart and I will
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make this work I my personality you know
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this is the perfect of students here are
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his personality i should say is so
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strong was so strong that it could patch
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over any personality clashes from the P
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anybody under him because his own his
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personality was just so dominant and
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yeah out that there's there's just you
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know and i don't think it's an
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indictment of tim cook i think it right
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an acknowledgement again speaks to jobs
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in right that may be the worst thing
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would have been for you know again for
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Tim Cook's used to sort of credit be
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Steve Jobs and and try to think that he
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can do that same thing
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yeah and someone someone had a great
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comment this morning i think it was on
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there i started my tumblr feed actually
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but it was um it was going back in
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referencing what cook said at the
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memorial for jobs which was of course
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the line that you know don't don't think
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about don't worry about what i would do
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just do what's right and you know this
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is like the first time where cook is
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doing something that jobs would probably
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on but it is the right thing to do for
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right maybe a better way to put it isn't
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it Steve Jobs wouldn't have done it but
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that he wouldn't have had to do it
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yes yes that is that's exactly right i
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doesn't even seem to be any any argument
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over is that forestall was one of the
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words divisive and that he was ambitious
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and yet that he guarded his I don't want
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to be pejorative here because I honestly
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don't have the beef with the guy I was
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going to say fiefdom but I fiefdom seems
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to imply i don't want to impugn any sort
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of negative political aspirations on him
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but he did I mean he had iOS was his
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fiefdom and he ruled over it and to his
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credit you know a lot of I think there's
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been a lot of yet kind of negativity
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around him and certainly it seems like
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something that was justified but there's
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you know I mean he is the guy who made
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iOS what it is now and there's no
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disputing that that's an incredible feat
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and maybe he couldn't have done that
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without being so passionate about the
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way that he you know viewed that iOS had
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to go and jobs of course you know had
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the had the ultimate say in the matter
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but it was a you know by all accounts it
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was forced all remember when they were
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thinking about how to do the you know
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the stories that year now and everything
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about how to do the iphone they're
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considering using you know just some
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random kind of generic ipod like OS that
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wasn't at all related to that was the
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only cemented Tony Fadell side of it and
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that takes that effectively that sealed
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his fate for ya forestall and and my
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understanding of the choices for stolen
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and Bertrand sir lay on on on that side
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on the we should we can do this we can
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use OS 10 we can take the next step
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stuff and make days might you know take
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strip it down and we can use this in a
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phone and it's going to be great and if
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we get it we're going to have this great
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app development framework already there
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ready to go and it was Fidel and and I
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think maybe Rubenstein on the other side
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saying yeah she doesn't like a
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you know like an iphone effective it
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would be like the OS that they have in
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the ipod nano right right and you know
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so i definitely like you said that
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sealed Fidel's fate that you know that
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that he won and you know look at where
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Apple is from there I mean and you know
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who know I mean I you know who knows how
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many other people in that argument I
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day from the insiders really would be
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maybe the greatest story of the last 15
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years of Apple to hear because you know
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apple before the iphone was doing just
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fine but they were not a sensation and
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apple after the iphone has become the
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biggest corporations in the world and
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write it really did seem to come down to
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a very very tough decision on Steve Jobs
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part you know and that forestall was if
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not the leading proponent one of only
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it really has you nobody can take that
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away from him I mean and you know so now
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you think about going forward on what
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this means exactly and it's impossible
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to know that right now but i think that
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it i think that some of the criticism of
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iOS has been fair that they're it's been
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so much polish and polish and polish and
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they haven't really taken any risks with
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the with the operating system in the
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past few years and i think at first
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that's absolutely understandable and I
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think that's helped them in many ways
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because it is so polished now but how
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much more can you polish and how much
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more can you change ios6 you know there
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were differences of course with with iOS
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5 but mainly seems like polish Polish
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polish and so now does this change that
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do we get something that's that's going
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to be the most significant departure
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since kind of the beginning of it
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yeah i think the big question mark in
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this as it goes forward I don't think
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anybody really has a problem with Johnny
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I've taking over software thi
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I i really do think that's going to work
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out well for Apple but you don't know
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though because he hasn't done it before
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you don't know i think the ? that was
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federighi is yeah you know in charge now
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and everybody you know seems to think I
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think mountain lion turned out really
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well so I know and I think everybody
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inside the company i think is regarded
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as having successfully led that project
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now and he's I mean he's just ascended
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so quickly right he was he was just
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elevated to SVP in that last in that
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last round and now all of a sudden
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well is he gonna be able to his mac OS
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10 going to keep going forward at this
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enjoyable pace that it's been going at
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while he's also got OS to be responsible
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for because clearly you know if one's
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gonna have to slip it's still going to
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be Mac os10 of course I mean is he going
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to do what you just said which is sort
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of not just keep polishing iOS but is he
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gonna be able to make take iOS and give
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it a oh wow look with that you know sort
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of right and moving the entire the idea
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of what mobile OS four is forward also
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you know last year obviously all of us
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were surprised with OS 10 mountain lion
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because we just didn't expect it so soon
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and an apple legitimately surprised
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are they still are they going to do that
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again how far into development does this
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is the iOS coming under federal change
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that and you know one question i kept
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getting was what does that mean for ios7
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you have to assume that it was already
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well into development right
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does this change knock that out i can't
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imagine that they won't do something at
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WWDC still this year right they go I
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think either got to yeah the guys who
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write well one thing and you know and
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and i'm sure people who are really
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deeply inside maybe I'm way off the base
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here but my understanding is that away a
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lot of this stuff works is that
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everybody you know is on teams and teams
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are all relatively small and have a
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relatively direct and clear chain of
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command you know that the team reports
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to somebody a manager and the manager
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probably reported directly to forestall
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if you're working on something related
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to iOS and you know if your team has
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something that's ready to ship or looks
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like it's ready to ship there's like a
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list of here's the stuff we might now
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with here's what we've got to start
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tying the line for what's going to be
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iOS 7 and there's this team and that
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and you know so I don't know that it's
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you know it may not really be a setback
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for you know if you're still being gone
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because it's these teams that are doing
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stuff and now it's somebody else is
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going to be making these decisions about
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this is ready for this should be ready
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let's let's green light that this for
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next year you know but here's what
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you've got to do by here's what i want
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to see by next week you know in terms of
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getting this to to where we can actually
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ship it all right you know i don't think
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you should think of it as a entire you
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know that the entire iOS is just like a
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single product or write that has to be
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and had a team of a hundred people
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working on it it's more like it's 20 30
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different little things that each have a
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team of three or four people working on
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it all right you know the biggest
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question I think that both of us have
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gotten is that is the question of our
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that is this the end of the green felt
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are they can cure if the a skeuomorphism
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stuff uh I think I have no idea it seems
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like there was that report of Johnny I
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well force always for it only seemed
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back I I don't think I mean diseases i
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think what we will see is a minor course
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correction with regard to skeuomorphism
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I think that it's a ship that's it
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slightly off course and a little bit
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bent a little bit toward the tacky as
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opposed to the cool i do not expect to
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see a radical 180-degree reverse in that
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I don't think that they're going to drop
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all textures I don't think they're going
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to drop everything I'm you know I think
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game center is an example of one where
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the skeuomorphism is fine
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I i actually think that you know making
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it look like a game is is actually
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pretty good or pretty apt I think it's
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like ical words you know it really get
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end is in addition to the fact that it
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just it it just gets in the way it's not
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just that it's ugly but that it makes it
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look like you can do things you can't do
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because it looks like a pad of paper but
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you can't treat it like a pad of paper a
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little arrow button to go to the next
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month you know it doesn't seem like it's
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genuine and to me that's where I think
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you know I can't speak for him obviously
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but everything he's ever said those
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about keeping things true and genuine to
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themselves and that's where things go
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wrong like I calton and address book or
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contacts whatever the entity called
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contacts now that's right those are apps
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with me the skeuomorphism is wrong not
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because of weather it looks good or not
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because it just seems to make the apps
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yep and the one that people keep coming
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to now recently as the shredder via of
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the passbook thing right
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like people just seem to hate that with
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the past don't know why don't you see I
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longer to delete i guesses the gas and i
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don't know but i don't know if i would
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expect things like that to go away you
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know and for example the podcast app
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with the reel-to-reel making a rent a
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skewer morphic reel-to-reel thing isn't
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necessarily in and of itself a bad idea
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as long as usability why's it provides
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you a very effective direct way of
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skipping around the timeline of the
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podcast if it doesn't you know too bad
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it's bad it's the you it's how it works
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that matters and if if it works really
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well but looks skeuomorphic to some
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degree that's still good
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I would not expect a radical revision if
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you think that iOS 7 is going to come
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out looking like like all glass or
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something yeah you know some kind of you
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know just like windows 8 but with round
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Rex instead of shopping cart cornerbacks
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you're not it's you know I don't think
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anything radical is going to change arm
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and you know one thing you and I talked
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about briefly after the the events last
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week was the timing elements of this and
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how this all plays and obviously we
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didn't know about the the huge shake up
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from the exact time level at that at
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that point but it's sort of it makes it
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more interesting right because now Apple
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has fully aligned itself with all of its
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products to be in this this kind of fall
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q1 quarter that they're going to be
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shipping all the stuff so do they now
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take off six takeoff quote-unquote six
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months of releases and not do anything
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not even say anything again until WWDC
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because we have this new ipad now the
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fortune it seems like they're not going
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to do something it seems likely they
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won't do something in march now which
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they typically do for the ipad
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and you know it seems like TV where
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wherever that so stowaways off so you
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know maybe they do something with OS 10
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like they did last year in between but
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maybe they don't and maybe maybe that's
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good for the timing of all this exact
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shake-up stuff right because now all the
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they have some time to make sure that
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everything is a line from the top down
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and they keep working on what they've
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been working out of course but you know
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they have time just not suit so have to
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rush to get anything done
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I agree with everything you just said
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what I feel like this is in hindsight a
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remarkably perfect time for cook to
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execute this move because like it was
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said it's all the stuff is lined up now
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for this holiday quarter which is still
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disproportionately apples most important
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quarter right and you know if these guys
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have new responsibilities and it might
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take a lot of shake out they've got the
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time now to do it and I almost felt like
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it read like that in cooks statement
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about it or he's just said like what
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this has been a tremendous you know run
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for Apple we've just released the ipod
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ipad mini 4 generation I ipad i met you
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know new retina macbook new ipods iphone
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5s cetera and so he just like kind of
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like we've done a lot in the past few
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months and so you know now it's time to
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kind of re-evaluate what what we've done
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where we're going and we think that
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these changes will help streamline our
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process going forward
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now i really do mean and and and talking
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to people last week that the euphemistic
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though it was the headliner that PR
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really was what it was all about this
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nikki is about increasing collaboration
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and that's really what the problem was
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deemed to be with forestall was that
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forestall did his stuff and wasn't
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collaborating with the right like I
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didn't hearing about mansfield but now
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you're saying you know I believe it
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though and that he wasn't what I heard I
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heard that like for example that four
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stalls team you know the iOS team kept
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Schiller's product marketing division in
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the dark about everything until the last
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possible minute and that there's just no
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no back and forth between Schiller's
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product marketing division
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and four stalls iOS division and that
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those two guys just did not get along
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I mean and it wasn't just like one or
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two incidents it was like institutional
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intransigence that the no.4 sales team
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just wasn't collaborating with product
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I mean that you know collaboration is
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the word and it just wasn't there and
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you know the the other element that we
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haven't even hit on yet is of course the
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the map situation and to a lesser extent
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sirree but you know there's been issues
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with both and both were under forestall
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and now interestingly enough both aren't
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transferring under federal either going
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to any Q so they're gonna be in the you
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know more along the lines of the
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services and content division and that
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seems like the right move to make
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but you know I think that the fact that
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Apple highlighted that also in the
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release says what you needed to know and
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what of course was then reported
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afterwards that you know of course for
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starters any RQ is like The Fixer is
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they're always like the guy who takes
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like all right this here's this thing
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Eddie get your boots on great because it
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and people are gave me some stuff some
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you know like commodities in charge of
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iCloud I clouds are decorated like I
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clouds actually pretty good
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and remember it really is names change
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but it really is the evolution of
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mobileme I mean he's already been using
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yeah and he wasn't in charge you know
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that the mobileme that was the
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disastrous initial like 2008 mobileme
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and nothing to do it he was just running
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the itunes store he was given something
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that was like a probably the most famous
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►
disaster in the apples recent decade you
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Steve Jobs tie right in front of the
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entire company about it being you know
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this is embarrassing you know here at eq
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go fix it and he did is you know it's
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it's really you know it's gone from this
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hundred-dollar you're paid thing that
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nobody liked to a free thing with
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millions but maybe a hundred million
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users that's that's working pretty well
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so yeah yeah he's really become a fix-it
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hairy man yeah take naps please and
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figure out what to do with that but uh
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there was there was actually good story
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about him too i think was yesterday and
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seen that I think it's greg sandoval
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and accuse relationship now I mean Q
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also is the one now it seems like doing
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these uh doing the Steve Jobs types
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meetings with the the content exact
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right and just is going to all these
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things and in playing hardball it seems
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like by all know I do think that's all I
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do think that is I think he was very
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much involved with alongside Steve Jobs
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but that right you know without Steve
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that it's down to Eddie and he's still
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doing a really good job and clearly
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leading any of apples competitors in
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terms of worldwide distribution rights
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►
of everything you know everything other
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►
than books and even more general they're
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a very nice second place to Amazon yeah
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and even with all the legal issues going
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on right now they're still you know
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still doing pretty well there are the
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Mansfield thing strikes me as
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particularly big though like you know
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obviously he was retiring and then a few
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►
weeks later there was the report that
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they just threw a ton of money at him to
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come back and at least you know help
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transition the hardware team or whatever
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and then now he has a completely new
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role talking about the kind of vague
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►
working in wireless technologies and
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also the chip side of things right so
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he's a his reputation with our company
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I mean is your reputation of right and
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just kicking ass and doing really good
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►
work that comes out on time on price you
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know yet unbelievable
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and you know and and i think the other
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thing too is not just a wireless the big
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thing is that he's also in charge of the
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semi-conductor group and I think you
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know a lot of people have written about
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►
it but Apple taking more and more
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ownership over the chip production of
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the systems on a chip is at every year
◼
►
now ever since they started it with the
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the I the original ipad right that was
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►
I ever since then the a5 was more apple
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►
controlled in the a4 and now the a6 is
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►
entirely custom apple design
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yeah you know which our friends at a
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►
non-tech of have done it you know 8th
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DoublePlay us job the examining and
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that's it's a huge deal and it's all
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►
mansfield now at least 42 years that's
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►
kind of interesting that he has a two
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►
year timeline but yeah that's good yeah
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I still think you know it's interesting
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and I do think you know my friend guy
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English said but he's written about it
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and he's you know it said that this is
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just another example of it that still
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►
this whole thing no shows that the
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►
biggest risk for Apple over the next
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five to ten years is a retention of
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talent right at the top and at the
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engineering rings and that's the other
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the other under the surface thing is how
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many people I and I know there are some
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there's no doubt about it make no
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►
mistake that's not like forestall was
◼
►
universally hated within Apple there are
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►
people who worked for for so who are
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►
very very loyal to him and what happens
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like is there going to be a talent loss
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►
yeah well we'll see i mean it is it may
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►
depend on where he lands I mean if he if
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he gets another high-profile job and
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maybe he brings over some of his people
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with them you know that they're
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typically what tends to happen and so I
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think that but they're saying right now
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that what he's he's he's a special
◼
►
adviser just like Fidel was before him
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►
and he's going to be with the company
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►
for another year or something like that
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so right yeah all right well I want to
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